From zdreicer at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 03:31:15 2013 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 21:31:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted Message-ID: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that they will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, which one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same computer, I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS running from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver From sgermano at asu.edu Sat Jun 1 04:37:09 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 21:37:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> Message-ID: I prefer using parallels to bootcamp so I don't have to reboot the computer to switch between the two. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer < zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: > For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that they > will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, which > one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be > able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same computer, > I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What > specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS running > from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you! > > Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 04:44:42 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 00:44:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B683DEE-EE82-404D-B426-62D5EAC821C5@gmail.com> Yes but from what I have heard, this is not accessible with voiceover. And I really don't mean to offend, but if you're going to do that, why not just get a Windows 8 Computer? I have VMware Fusion but it's a pain on the processor. I imagine that parallels would be too. Although I do have a standard hard drive so that could be part of it, as solid-state drives managed to run more quickly. but for me VMware just maxes out my processor so that when I turn on voice over so I can check Skype chats or something it is really really slow. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > I prefer using parallels to bootcamp so I don't have to reboot the computer > to switch between the two. > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer < > zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: > >> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that they >> will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, which >> one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be >> able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same computer, >> I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What >> specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS running >> from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. >> Thank you! >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 04:54:17 2013 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 22:54:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <9B683DEE-EE82-404D-B426-62D5EAC821C5@gmail.com> References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> <9B683DEE-EE82-404D-B426-62D5EAC821C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7AF72F7A-E7FE-48D7-B845-E77CCEFBDEE8@gmail.com> Thanks for the help there, how about disk space and computer specs? Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver On May 31, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > Yes but from what I have heard, this is not accessible with voiceover. And I really don't mean to offend, but if you're going to do that, why not just get a Windows 8 Computer? I have VMware Fusion but it's a pain on the processor. I imagine that parallels would be too. Although I do have a standard hard drive so that could be part of it, as solid-state drives managed to run more quickly. but for me VMware just maxes out my processor so that when I turn on voice over so I can check Skype chats or something it is really really slow. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > >> I prefer using parallels to bootcamp so I don't have to reboot the computer >> to switch between the two. >> >> >> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer < >> zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that they >>> will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, which >>> one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be >>> able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same computer, >>> I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What >>> specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS running >>> from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. >>> Thank you! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From jhud7789 at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 04:54:25 2013 From: jhud7789 at gmail.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 23:54:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <9B683DEE-EE82-404D-B426-62D5EAC821C5@gmail.com> References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> <9B683DEE-EE82-404D-B426-62D5EAC821C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1673EEE3-9BB9-49A8-A7E9-0288BC19333D@gmail.com> I have a friend who has a Mac, who would probably be willing to help you if I can get in touch with him and see what he thinks if he's going to help your not. I will shoot you an email off list once I find out whether he'll hope. Or not. Hello to all especially Zach, Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2013, at 11:44 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > Yes but from what I have heard, this is not accessible with voiceover. And I really don't mean to offend, but if you're going to do that, why not just get a Windows 8 Computer? I have VMware Fusion but it's a pain on the processor. I imagine that parallels would be too. Although I do have a standard hard drive so that could be part of it, as solid-state drives managed to run more quickly. but for me VMware just maxes out my processor so that when I turn on voice over so I can check Skype chats or something it is really really slow. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > >> I prefer using parallels to bootcamp so I don't have to reboot the computer >> to switch between the two. >> >> >> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer < >> zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that they >>> will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, which >>> one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be >>> able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same computer, >>> I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What >>> specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS running >>> from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. >>> Thank you! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 05:15:21 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 01:15:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <7AF72F7A-E7FE-48D7-B845-E77CCEFBDEE8@gmail.com> References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> <9B683DEE-EE82-404D-B426-62D5EAC821C5@gmail.com> <7AF72F7A-E7FE-48D7-B845-E77CCEFBDEE8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <270AC755-B675-418A-A652-2E424BDE38C9@gmail.com> Hi Zach and all, if you're going to get a Mac with a solid-state drive, which is faster than a hard drive, expect to pay more for the higher amount of space. If you're going to get a standard hard drive, you will pay less for that, but you will have to run the risk of hard drives failing at random. This will eventually happen with solid-state, but it is not as random since these have no physical moving parts which is part of the reason why they can run so fast. It should be noted, however, that Apple is starting to move away from the hard drive, so you're going to find more and more Macs with solid-state rather than hard drives. The latest max have good processors, they're quite fast. Depending on what you want, you can either get an A5 or A7 processor. A7 is faster than A5, so depending on what you want, and if speed matters, you may look into either option. It Should be noted, however, that Aseven is more expensive than than A5. I suppose that what it really boils down to is what you're going to be using the computer for. If you're going to be doing a lot of video stuff and podcasting, you may want the speed but if you're going to be doing a lot of web browsing and other such smaller tasks, speed may not be an issue and the price may not be as bad. Be forewarned though, Max are notoriously more expensive than Windows computers, in the thousand dollar range. So just be aware of that. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:54 AM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" wrote: > Thanks for the help there, how about disk space and computer specs? > > Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver > > On May 31, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > >> Yes but from what I have heard, this is not accessible with voiceover. And I really don't mean to offend, but if you're going to do that, why not just get a Windows 8 Computer? I have VMware Fusion but it's a pain on the processor. I imagine that parallels would be too. Although I do have a standard hard drive so that could be part of it, as solid-state drives managed to run more quickly. but for me VMware just maxes out my processor so that when I turn on voice over so I can check Skype chats or something it is really really slow. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> >>> I prefer using parallels to bootcamp so I don't have to reboot the computer >>> to switch between the two. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer < >>> zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that they >>>> will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, which >>>> one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be >>>> able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same computer, >>>> I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What >>>> specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS running >>>> from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 05:17:32 2013 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Ashlee g) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 01:17:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <1673EEE3-9BB9-49A8-A7E9-0288BC19333D@gmail.com> References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> <9B683DEE-EE82-404D-B426-62D5EAC821C5@gmail.com> <1673EEE3-9BB9-49A8-A7E9-0288BC19333D@gmail.com> Message-ID: i have 2 friends with macs. one lady has a mac laptop, and the other has a Mac mini. i will talk to them. and if you email me off list, i will get them to help, if u want. AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. On Jun 1, 2013, at 0:54, Joseph Hudson wrote: > I have a friend who has a Mac, who would probably be willing to help you if I can get in touch with him and see what he thinks if he's going to help your not. I will shoot you an email off list once I find out whether he'll hope. Or not. Hello to all especially Zach, > > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone > > On May 31, 2013, at 11:44 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > >> Yes but from what I have heard, this is not accessible with voiceover. And I really don't mean to offend, but if you're going to do that, why not just get a Windows 8 Computer? I have VMware Fusion but it's a pain on the processor. I imagine that parallels would be too. Although I do have a standard hard drive so that could be part of it, as solid-state drives managed to run more quickly. but for me VMware just maxes out my processor so that when I turn on voice over so I can check Skype chats or something it is really really slow. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> >>> I prefer using parallels to bootcamp so I don't have to reboot the computer >>> to switch between the two. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer < >>> zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that they >>>> will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, which >>>> one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be >>>> able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same computer, >>>> I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What >>>> specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS running >>>> from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 05:56:56 2013 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 23:56:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <270AC755-B675-418A-A652-2E424BDE38C9@gmail.com> References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> <9B683DEE-EE82-404D-B426-62D5EAC821C5@gmail.com> <7AF72F7A-E7FE-48D7-B845-E77CCEFBDEE8@gmail.com> <270AC755-B675-418A-A652-2E424BDE38C9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <41B5D0F1-BE66-41BF-94FB-EA75AFD9DC3B@gmail.com> My parents are aware of this. How about disk space and RAM? Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver On May 31, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > Hi Zach and all, if you're going to get a Mac with a solid-state drive, which is faster than a hard drive, expect to pay more for the higher amount of space. If you're going to get a standard hard drive, you will pay less for that, but you will have to run the risk of hard drives failing at random. This will eventually happen with solid-state, but it is not as random since these have no physical moving parts which is part of the reason why they can run so fast. It should be noted, however, that Apple is starting to move away from the hard drive, so you're going to find more and more Macs with solid-state rather than hard drives. The latest max have good processors, they're quite fast. Depending on what you want, you can either get an A5 or A7 processor. A7 is faster than A5, so depending on what you want, and if speed matters, you may look into either option. It Should be noted, however, that Aseven is more expensive than than A5. I suppose that what it really boils down to is what you're going to be using the computer for. If you're going to be doing a lot of video stuff and podcasting, you may want the speed but if you're going to be doing a lot of web browsing and other such smaller tasks, speed may not be an issue and the price may not be as bad. Be forewarned though, Max are notoriously more expensive than Windows computers, in the thousand dollar range. So just be aware of that. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:54 AM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" wrote: > >> Thanks for the help there, how about disk space and computer specs? >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >> >> On May 31, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: >> >>> Yes but from what I have heard, this is not accessible with voiceover. And I really don't mean to offend, but if you're going to do that, why not just get a Windows 8 Computer? I have VMware Fusion but it's a pain on the processor. I imagine that parallels would be too. Although I do have a standard hard drive so that could be part of it, as solid-state drives managed to run more quickly. but for me VMware just maxes out my processor so that when I turn on voice over so I can check Skype chats or something it is really really slow. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: >>> >>>> I prefer using parallels to bootcamp so I don't have to reboot the computer >>>> to switch between the two. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer < >>>> zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that they >>>>> will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, which >>>>> one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be >>>>> able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same computer, >>>>> I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What >>>>> specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS running >>>>> from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> Thank you! >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 06:02:29 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 02:02:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <41B5D0F1-BE66-41BF-94FB-EA75AFD9DC3B@gmail.com> References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> <9B683DEE-EE82-404D-B426-62D5EAC821C5@gmail.com> <7AF72F7A-E7FE-48D7-B845-E77CCEFBDEE8@gmail.com> <270AC755-B675-418A-A652-2E424BDE38C9@gmail.com> <41B5D0F1-BE66-41BF-94FB-EA75AFD9DC3B@gmail.com> Message-ID: As my previous post covers disk space, I will not go in to that here. The ram will again depend on what you need it for, the higher amounts of RAM can do more but are again more expensive. I believe you can get up to four, eight, or 16 GB. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2013, at 1:56 AM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" wrote: > My parents are aware of this. How about disk space and RAM? > > Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver > > On May 31, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > >> Hi Zach and all, if you're going to get a Mac with a solid-state drive, which is faster than a hard drive, expect to pay more for the higher amount of space. If you're going to get a standard hard drive, you will pay less for that, but you will have to run the risk of hard drives failing at random. This will eventually happen with solid-state, but it is not as random since these have no physical moving parts which is part of the reason why they can run so fast. It should be noted, however, that Apple is starting to move away from the hard drive, so you're going to find more and more Macs with solid-state rather than hard drives. The latest max have good processors, they're quite fast. Depending on what you want, you can either get an A5 or A7 processor. A7 is faster than A5, so depending on what you want, and if speed matters, you may look into either option. It Should be noted, however, that Aseven is more expensive than than A5. I suppose that what it really boils down to is what you're going to be using the computer for. If you're going to be doing a lot of video stuff and podcasting, you may want the speed but if you're going to be doing a lot of web browsing and other such smaller tasks, speed may not be an issue and the price may not be as bad. Be forewarned though, Max are notoriously more expensive than Windows computers, in the thousand dollar range. So just be aware of that. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:54 AM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the help there, how about disk space and computer specs? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >>> >>> On May 31, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: >>> >>>> Yes but from what I have heard, this is not accessible with voiceover. And I really don't mean to offend, but if you're going to do that, why not just get a Windows 8 Computer? I have VMware Fusion but it's a pain on the processor. I imagine that parallels would be too. Although I do have a standard hard drive so that could be part of it, as solid-state drives managed to run more quickly. but for me VMware just maxes out my processor so that when I turn on voice over so I can check Skype chats or something it is really really slow. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: >>>> >>>>> I prefer using parallels to bootcamp so I don't have to reboot the computer >>>>> to switch between the two. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer < >>>>> zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that they >>>>>> will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, which >>>>>> one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be >>>>>> able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same computer, >>>>>> I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What >>>>>> specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS running >>>>>> from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. >>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 12:27:51 2013 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 14:27:51 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9ACE5BAB-27D3-4271-9BDC-15DB3FEA6502@gmail.com> Any current Mac will run Windows 8 without any problems. Just don't worry about it. Choose the computer you want depending on your budget and needs and it will really run Windows 8 smoothly. On Jun 1, 2013, at 5:31 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer wrote: > For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that they will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, which one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same computer, I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS running from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! > > Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From sgermano at asu.edu Sat Jun 1 15:05:34 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 08:05:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <9B683DEE-EE82-404D-B426-62D5EAC821C5@gmail.com> References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> <9B683DEE-EE82-404D-B426-62D5EAC821C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Personally, I run windows on my mac because there are course I take for my computer science degree that use software only available in Windows like Microsoft VPL and Visual Studio. But I want mac. I use mac zoom when in mac os then in windows I run zoomtext. So yes if you want both operating systems you have to have accessibility programs for both. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > Yes but from what I have heard, this is not accessible with voiceover. And > I really don't mean to offend, but if you're going to do that, why not just > get a Windows 8 Computer? I have VMware Fusion but it's a pain on the > processor. I imagine that parallels would be too. Although I do have a > standard hard drive so that could be part of it, as solid-state drives > managed to run more quickly. but for me VMware just maxes out my processor > so that when I turn on voice over so I can check Skype chats or something > it is really really slow. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > > I prefer using parallels to bootcamp so I don't have to reboot the > computer > > to switch between the two. > > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer < > > zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that > they > >> will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, > which > >> one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be > >> able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same > computer, > >> I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What > >> specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS > running > >> from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > >> Thank you! > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From sgermano at asu.edu Sat Jun 1 15:07:50 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 08:07:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <41B5D0F1-BE66-41BF-94FB-EA75AFD9DC3B@gmail.com> References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> <9B683DEE-EE82-404D-B426-62D5EAC821C5@gmail.com> <7AF72F7A-E7FE-48D7-B845-E77CCEFBDEE8@gmail.com> <270AC755-B675-418A-A652-2E424BDE38C9@gmail.com> <41B5D0F1-BE66-41BF-94FB-EA75AFD9DC3B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Disk space and ram depends on your needs. I am a computer science student so I alwasy go for as much hard drive space and as much ram as I can get. On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer < zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: > My parents are aware of this. How about disk space and RAM? > > Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver > > On May 31, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > > > Hi Zach and all, if you're going to get a Mac with a solid-state drive, > which is faster than a hard drive, expect to pay more for the higher > amount of space. If you're going to get a standard hard drive, you will pay > less for that, but you will have to run the risk of hard drives failing at > random. This will eventually happen with solid-state, but it is not as > random since these have no physical moving parts which is part of the > reason why they can run so fast. It should be noted, however, that Apple is > starting to move away from the hard drive, so you're going to find more and > more Macs with solid-state rather than hard drives. The latest max have > good processors, they're quite fast. Depending on what you want, you can > either get an A5 or A7 processor. A7 is faster than A5, so depending on > what you want, and if speed matters, you may look into either option. It > Should be noted, however, that Aseven is more expensive than than A5. I > suppose that what it really boils dow > n to is what you're going to be using the computer for. If you're going > to be doing a lot of video stuff and podcasting, you may want the speed but > if you're going to be doing a lot of web browsing and other such smaller > tasks, speed may not be an issue and the price may not be as bad. Be > forewarned though, Max are notoriously more expensive than Windows > computers, in the thousand dollar range. So just be aware of that. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:54 AM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" < > zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Thanks for the help there, how about disk space and computer specs? > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver > >> > >> On May 31, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Josh Gregory > wrote: > >> > >>> Yes but from what I have heard, this is not accessible with voiceover. > And I really don't mean to offend, but if you're going to do that, why not > just get a Windows 8 Computer? I have VMware Fusion but it's a pain on > the processor. I imagine that parallels would be too. Although I do have a > standard hard drive so that could be part of it, as solid-state drives > managed to run more quickly. but for me VMware just maxes out my processor > so that when I turn on voice over so I can check Skype chats or something > it is really really slow. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > >>> > >>>> I prefer using parallels to bootcamp so I don't have to reboot the > computer > >>>> to switch between the two. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer < > >>>> zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said > that they > >>>>> will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, > which > >>>>> one would be best given the following specifications: I would like > to be > >>>>> able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same > computer, > >>>>> I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. > What > >>>>> specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS > running > >>>>> from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly > appreciated. > >>>>> Thank you! > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > >>>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > >>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > >> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From zdreicer at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 15:46:54 2013 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 09:46:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> <9B683DEE-EE82-404D-B426-62D5EAC821C5@gmail.com> <7AF72F7A-E7FE-48D7-B845-E77CCEFBDEE8@gmail.com> <270AC755-B675-418A-A652-2E424BDE38C9@gmail.com> <41B5D0F1-BE66-41BF-94FB-EA75AFD9DC3B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you all for the suggestions! Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver On Jun 1, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > Disk space and ram depends on your needs. I am a computer science student > so I alwasy go for as much hard drive space and as much ram as I can get. > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer < > zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: > >> My parents are aware of this. How about disk space and RAM? >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >> >> On May 31, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: >> >>> Hi Zach and all, if you're going to get a Mac with a solid-state drive, >> which is faster than a hard drive, expect to pay more for the higher >> amount of space. If you're going to get a standard hard drive, you will pay >> less for that, but you will have to run the risk of hard drives failing at >> random. This will eventually happen with solid-state, but it is not as >> random since these have no physical moving parts which is part of the >> reason why they can run so fast. It should be noted, however, that Apple is >> starting to move away from the hard drive, so you're going to find more and >> more Macs with solid-state rather than hard drives. The latest max have >> good processors, they're quite fast. Depending on what you want, you can >> either get an A5 or A7 processor. A7 is faster than A5, so depending on >> what you want, and if speed matters, you may look into either option. It >> Should be noted, however, that Aseven is more expensive than than A5. I >> suppose that what it really boils dow >> n to is what you're going to be using the computer for. If you're going >> to be doing a lot of video stuff and podcasting, you may want the speed but >> if you're going to be doing a lot of web browsing and other such smaller >> tasks, speed may not be an issue and the price may not be as bad. Be >> forewarned though, Max are notoriously more expensive than Windows >> computers, in the thousand dollar range. So just be aware of that. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:54 AM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" < >> zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for the help there, how about disk space and computer specs? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >>>> >>>> On May 31, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Josh Gregory >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes but from what I have heard, this is not accessible with voiceover. >> And I really don't mean to offend, but if you're going to do that, why not >> just get a Windows 8 Computer? I have VMware Fusion but it's a pain on >> the processor. I imagine that parallels would be too. Although I do have a >> standard hard drive so that could be part of it, as solid-state drives >> managed to run more quickly. but for me VMware just maxes out my processor >> so that when I turn on voice over so I can check Skype chats or something >> it is really really slow. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:37 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I prefer using parallels to bootcamp so I don't have to reboot the >> computer >>>>>> to switch between the two. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer < >>>>>> zdreicer at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said >> that they >>>>>>> will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, >> which >>>>>>> one would be best given the following specifications: I would like >> to be >>>>>>> able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same >> computer, >>>>>>> I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. >> What >>>>>>> specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS >> running >>>>>>> from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly >> appreciated. >>>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>>>>> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>>>> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From kathrynwebster at me.com Sat Jun 1 18:03:07 2013 From: kathrynwebster at me.com (Kate) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2013 14:03:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Online Courses In-Reply-To: <4211389431401857394@unknownmsgid> References: <936344F8-3DC0-49D1-BEE8-0C69BD6F4B6D@aol.com> <718AD379E5E348E29C957B3937ECF548@acerd37f251f21> <38B2BDB7-7457-4F1E-B8DC-4F234C3D5CCD@gmail.com> <1333E1F0-A6B6-48F7-B6B2-519EDBC25FD2@me.com> <4211389431401857394@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Chris: I actually had materials in Braille for both languages. I used my Empower Braille note and iPhone. There is a free Latin dictionary app. Latin does not have many precise pernunciations, and yes I switched the language to Spanish on my laptop. The reason I said what I said was because, though I had Braille preparations, I knew I had to start getting ready for college and the real world. With that said, I frequently practiced doing assignments on my laptop with VoiceOver...this was very helpful. I also recommended Spanish because Latin is more difficult to do online on account of the letters utilized. Latin, as well as Spanish, are helpful with enriching any individual's vocabulary skills. Therefore, I would recommend spanish because it is a more common language and the screen readers can easily adapt to speaking identical to a native speaker. Lastly, all laptops I have used can spell out each letter of any word if I command such action..this helps with spelling and grammar. Kathryn On May 31, 2013, at 6:54 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Kathryn, > > I'm curious as to how that works with your screen reader. How were you > able to ensure that your screen reader was pronouncing Spanish or > Latin words correctly? Did you change your speech synthesizer's > speaking language to that language when you were reading course > material? Also, how were you able to deal with Latin with a screen > reader? I haven't seen that as one of the language options, at least > in JAWS. Did you use a Braille display at any point during these > courses? > > Thanks, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 30, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Kathryn Webster wrote: > >> In my personal experience, I have taken both Latin and Spanish. I would advise you to take Spanish. Please let me know if you have further questions. I rather not bombard everyone's inbox. >> Kathryn >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 30, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Kirt wrote: >> >>> If it were me personally, I think I would opt for Latin although I can understand why you would want to do Spanish. If you are set on Latin, I don't really see why you would need an eloquent synthesizer for it. It's not like Latin is something you would have to learn to speak perfectly, with the right accent, So I can't imagine pronunciation would matter nearly as much as it would with something like Spanish. However, I can see how having access to some sort of a braille display would be very helpful, although I imagine you could get by without one. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 30, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: >>> >>>> I took Spanish online also this past semester, and it went well except for the fact that the instructor used My Spanish Lab, which is not very accessible with JAWS. Otherwise, all of the other websites and course materials worked very well with JAWS. >>>> Misty >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridget Walker" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:25 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Online Courses >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jaws has a built in synthesizer for Spanish but, I can see why you want to take Latin. I would take Spanish only because of the fact that you must take the class on line. I know a jaws user who took Latin for three years but, I am pretty sure they used braille. I can ask them and get back to you ASAP if you would like. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Bridget >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Winona Brackett wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have to take two credits of one foreign language in order to meet >>>>>> graduation requirements. Because of scheduling, I have to take at >>>>>> least the first credit of the foreign language online through Florida >>>>>> Virtual School. I'm enro lled in Latin I currently. I'm having trouble >>>>>> learning the language and all the different word endings. What is >>>>>> Spanish like? Which course do you think is more accessible with JAWS >>>>>> 14? >>>>>> >>>>>> If I continue with Latin, I will have to take Latin I and Latin II >>>>>> online. (The main reason why I wanted to try Latin is so I can improve >>>>>> my English vocabulary since most of the English language is from Latin >>>>>> roots.) My school doesn't offer Latin. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I took Spanish I online, I could take Spanish II at school. >>>>>> >>>>>> What are your thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Winona >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com From jty727 at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 18:52:03 2013 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 14:52:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] MiniTab with JAWS? Message-ID: Hi All! Hope you all are having an enjoyable Summer thus far! I'm currently taking a 5 week Statistics course and in this course we have to use this software called MiniTab. Its rather new to me because I've never done a stats course before. I was wondering if any of you here that have done stats courses have heard of this program? I also was curious if you have indeed used it, how does JAWS work with it? I've started playing with it, but wanted to see if any had any great suggestions. Thanks as always! Justin From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Jun 1 19:41:05 2013 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Ashlee g) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 15:41:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <9ACE5BAB-27D3-4271-9BDC-15DB3FEA6502@gmail.com> References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> <9ACE5BAB-27D3-4271-9BDC-15DB3FEA6502@gmail.com> Message-ID: that is cool. i didn't know that. AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. On Jun 1, 2013, at 8:27, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: > Any current Mac will run Windows 8 without any problems. Just don't worry about it. Choose the computer you want depending on your budget and needs and it will really run Windows 8 smoothly. > On Jun 1, 2013, at 5:31 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer wrote: > >> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that they will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, which one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same computer, I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS running from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 00:49:30 2013 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 18:49:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <-3661032538606073332@unknownmsgid> References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> <-3661032538606073332@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Thanks all, the Mac has been purchased… Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver On Jun 1, 2013, at 12:30 PM, Stephen Toth wrote: > If you're going to get a Mac that you would run Windows on, the > MacBook Pro would be your best bet. You have the fastest processor, > and you can upgrade the RAM very easily. Although the current > generations of MacBook Pro can only run Mac OS X version 10.8, in my > opinion, the best version is Mac OS X version 10.6 Snow Leopard. This > was the last version to run on the 2006 MacBook pros, and is the > fastest on the early 2011 MacBook pros. My suggestion would be to get > a MacBook Pro early 2011 off of eBay. It would be cheaper than just to > go to the Apple store and buy a brand-new MacBook Pro. You would not > get the same hardware, and he would be older, but you could get the > best version of Mac OS 10 four speed and reliability. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 31, 2013, at 10:31 PM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" > wrote: > >> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that they will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, which one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same computer, I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS running from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver From opensesame at me.com Sun Jun 2 10:44:18 2013 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 06:44:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google In-Reply-To: References: <000601ce57f5$4b9ac000$e2d04000$@gmail.com> <00ef01ce5800$d1c97c10$755c7430$@gmail.com> <002801ce5739$361ce9e0$a256bda0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Cindy, Sorry for the late response. When using Chrome on my macbook I tend to do most of my navigation with voiceover but will toggle chromevox on if I encounter something that trips up VO. When attempting to work with Google Docs, Sheets and Slides, I start with the Google Drive App and work from there. While I've not found a browser / screen reader combination that allows full access to those 3 apps, they have come a long way since I started working with them last September. If I need to read a gdoc I have the best experience through the google drive IOS app, and for editing I have the best experience using the google drive app on my macbook air to open the gdoc in chrome and navigate with chromevox. I have some links I can give you to help with learning and troubleshooting google drive, docs, sheets & slides. I need to run but will post the links this afternoon. HTH, Bryan On May 24, 2013, at 3:32 PM, Cindy wrote: > Bryan, > > Do you use Chrome with Voiceover? Or with Voiceover and Cchromevox in combination? Do you use Google apps with Voiceover? I realized that I could read but not edit Google docs on my iPhone. I wonder if there is a Google docs app that I could download to be able to edit them. > > Cindy Bennett > Legislative Coordinator: National Federation of the Blind of Washington > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 23, 2013, at 9:36 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > >> I'm not seeing it when I log in with IE 9, but I'll be on the lookout >> for it. It's weird that it's showing up for some people with higher >> browsers but not everyone. >> >> If this does become an issue, it will be just like the Kindle and >> Whispercast thing in the schools now. I know my university just >> switched to Google from IBM for their emailing this year, so the odds >> that schools like it aren't going to want to switch from Google any >> time soon if accessibility roadblocks start cropping up. >> >> Outlook would probably be a workable solution assuming that Gmail is >> the only thing that is going to be effected. I doubt that Google >> would make their search engine inaccessible because the whole point of >> the simplicity behind it is so that everyone can use it without >> getting confused or turned around. I would hope that they wouldn't >> try to complicate things to keep in competition with Bing or the other >> search engines and sacrifice accessibility in the process, but we'll >> have to see I guess. >> >> Thanks for bringing this up, Aleeha. It definitely sounds like >> something we should keep an eye on. >> >> On 5/23/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> I have the same question. As a jaws user, I use internet explorer 9 and >>> often use google as my search engine. As a jaws user, I find this simple >>> search webpage user friendly because it does not have many links and images >>> >>> as other search engines do like yahoo. >>> I hope the ability to surf the internet using internet explorer 10 which is >>> >>> the latest browser is not affected. >>> I'm tired of google's tricks and inaccessibility of their aps. >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: justin >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:10 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google >>> >>> So, is my ability to surf the internet on my computer going to be affected? >>> If so, what do we do? Does the nfb and Dr. Mauer know? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:00 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google >>> >>> Not only that, but it will effect all of us as blind computer users--that >>> is, until Google makes Chrome accessible. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair >>> Public Relations Committee >>> Maryland Association of Blind Students >>> Phone: (443) 547-2409 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh Gregory >>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:54 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google >>> >>> I hate to say this but this is going to drastically affect the notetakers. >>> I >>> mean the electronic ones with the displays. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 23, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Aleeha Dudley >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> I am running IE 10. >>>> >>>> If you look on the front page of your email, under the list of offered >>> services like drive and calendar, you will see a message, if you are >>> running >>> Internet explorer, you will see a message that says your browser will soon >>> no longer be supported. Under that message, you will see another line of >>> text that says upgrade to a modern browser such as Google chrome. The >>> browser link takes you to a site which will tell you what browser you are >>> winning and will also list three other browsers that are more modern than >>> yours. If I had not been bored and using my arrow keys to navigate the >>> page, >>> I would have never noticed this message. >>>> I'll try to find another source for this information. >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On May 23, 2013, at 17:22, Desiree Oudinot >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, a link would be nice. It was my understanding that Google was >>>>> going to stop supporting IE 8, not IE in general. I thought versions >>>>> newer than 8 would be ok. >>>>> >>>>> On 5/23/13, Anjelina Cruz wrote: >>>>>> I am a bit behind. When was this info released? Can someone please >>>>>> post a link about these possible changes? >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/23/13, ryan bishop wrote: >>>>>>> Wait, are you saying there only going to expect Google crome? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha >>>>>>> Dudley >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:31 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>>>>>> Google >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> For those using Internet explorer as your browser and using any >>>>>>> Google-related app, your browser will soon no longer be supported. >>>>>>> This means that you could easily lose access to your mail and any >>>>>>> other google app. >>>>>>> Just another reason why we should fight against the adoption of >>>>>>> Google products at our colleges and universities!!!!! >>>>>>> Just FYI. >>>>>>> Aleeha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%4 >>>>>>> 0gmail.co >>>>>>> m >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40g >>>>>>> mail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Anjelina >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, 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nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 15:57:45 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 11:57:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention Agenda Now Available Message-ID: <-2115855496415745155@unknownmsgid> Dear Fellow Federationists: According to what I saw on Twitter, the agenda for the 2013 NFB national convention in Orlando is now available online. To download the agenda in Microsoft Word format, visit the National Convention Web page at www.nfb.org/national-convention. For those of you who may not know, the convention will be held July 1-6 at the Rosen Centre Hotel in Orlando, Florida. I hope to see many of you at the convention! Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone From dsykora29 at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 16:15:55 2013 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 12:15:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Online Courses In-Reply-To: References: <936344F8-3DC0-49D1-BEE8-0C69BD6F4B6D@aol.com> <718AD379E5E348E29C957B3937ECF548@acerd37f251f21> <38B2BDB7-7457-4F1E-B8DC-4F234C3D5CCD@gmail.com> <1333E1F0-A6B6-48F7-B6B2-519EDBC25FD2@me.com> <4211389431401857394@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Personally, I would choose spanish. I find it extremely easy to learn; like Latin, it is similar to English. Either language will help improve your vocabulary. I use jaws and a braille display which has worked well. If you change the language settings in jaws, you can be confident that it will pronounce the words correctly. On 6/1/13, Kate wrote: > Chris: > I actually had materials in Braille for both languages. I used my Empower > Braille note and iPhone. There is a free Latin dictionary app. Latin does > not have many precise pernunciations, and yes I switched the language to > Spanish on my laptop. The reason I said what I said was because, though I > had Braille preparations, I knew I had to start getting ready for college > and the real world. With that said, I frequently practiced doing assignments > on my laptop with VoiceOver...this was very helpful. I also recommended > Spanish because Latin is more difficult to do online on account of the > letters utilized. Latin, as well as Spanish, are helpful with enriching any > individual's vocabulary skills. Therefore, I would recommend spanish because > it is a more common language and the screen readers can easily adapt to > speaking identical to a native speaker. Lastly, all laptops I have used can > spell out each letter of any word if I command such action..this helps with > spelling and grammar. > Kathryn > On May 31, 2013, at 6:54 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > >> Kathryn, >> >> I'm curious as to how that works with your screen reader. How were you >> able to ensure that your screen reader was pronouncing Spanish or >> Latin words correctly? Did you change your speech synthesizer's >> speaking language to that language when you were reading course >> material? Also, how were you able to deal with Latin with a screen >> reader? I haven't seen that as one of the language options, at least >> in JAWS. Did you use a Braille display at any point during these >> courses? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 30, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Kathryn Webster >> wrote: >> >>> In my personal experience, I have taken both Latin and Spanish. I would >>> advise you to take Spanish. Please let me know if you have further >>> questions. I rather not bombard everyone's inbox. >>> Kathryn >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 30, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Kirt wrote: >>> >>>> If it were me personally, I think I would opt for Latin although I can >>>> understand why you would want to do Spanish. If you are set on Latin, I >>>> don't really see why you would need an eloquent synthesizer for it. It's >>>> not like Latin is something you would have to learn to speak perfectly, >>>> with the right accent, So I can't imagine pronunciation would matter >>>> nearly as much as it would with something like Spanish. However, I can >>>> see how having access to some sort of a braille display would be very >>>> helpful, although I imagine you could get by without one. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On May 30, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Misty Dawn Bradley >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I took Spanish online also this past semester, and it went well except >>>>> for the fact that the instructor used My Spanish Lab, which is not very >>>>> accessible with JAWS. Otherwise, all of the other websites and course >>>>> materials worked very well with JAWS. >>>>> Misty >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridget Walker" >>>>> >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:25 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Online Courses >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Jaws has a built in synthesizer for Spanish but, I can see why you >>>>>> want to take Latin. I would take Spanish only because of the fact that >>>>>> you must take the class on line. I know a jaws user who took Latin for >>>>>> three years but, I am pretty sure they used braille. I can ask them >>>>>> and get back to you ASAP if you would like. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> Bridget >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 29, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Winona Brackett >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have to take two credits of one foreign language in order to meet >>>>>>> graduation requirements. Because of scheduling, I have to take at >>>>>>> least the first credit of the foreign language online through >>>>>>> Florida >>>>>>> Virtual School. I'm enro lled in Latin I currently. I'm having >>>>>>> trouble >>>>>>> learning the language and all the different word endings. What is >>>>>>> Spanish like? Which course do you think is more accessible with JAWS >>>>>>> 14? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I continue with Latin, I will have to take Latin I and Latin II >>>>>>> online. (The main reason why I wanted to try Latin is so I can >>>>>>> improve >>>>>>> my English vocabulary since most of the English language is from >>>>>>> Latin >>>>>>> roots.) My school doesn't offer Latin. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I took Spanish I online, I could take Spanish II at school. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What are your thoughts? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Winona >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From kathrynwebster at me.com Sun Jun 2 16:42:36 2013 From: kathrynwebster at me.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 12:42:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention Agenda Now Available In-Reply-To: <-2115855496415745155@unknownmsgid> References: <-2115855496415745155@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: hey all! is there anywhere I can find the start and end times of all seminars or events? i see on the website that only the events or titles are listed. Thank you in advance! Kathryn Webster Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2013, at 11:57 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Dear Fellow Federationists: According to what I saw on Twitter, the > agenda for the 2013 NFB national convention in Orlando is now > available online. To download the agenda in Microsoft Word format, > visit the National Convention Web page at > www.nfb.org/national-convention. For those of you who may not know, > the convention will be held July 1-6 at the Rosen Centre Hotel in > Orlando, Florida. I hope to see many of you at the convention! > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com From aizenman at earthlink.net Sun Jun 2 17:03:43 2013 From: aizenman at earthlink.net (Frida Aizenman) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 10:03:43 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Online Courses References: <936344F8-3DC0-49D1-BEE8-0C69BD6F4B6D@aol.com><718AD379E5E348E29C957B3937ECF548@acerd37f251f21><38B2BDB7-7457-4F1E-B8DC-4F234C3D5CCD@gmail.com><1333E1F0-A6B6-48F7-B6B2-519EDBC25FD2@me.com><4211389431401857394@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <9F030FF587B34FEE910634521AC0BC93@DDTM62C1> Good morning. With all due respect,Latin does have many precise pronunciations. Otherwise, how else would the Catholic church conduct mass in Latin? Frida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Sykora" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Online Courses > Personally, I would choose spanish. I find it extremely easy to learn; > like Latin, it is similar to English. Either language will help > improve your vocabulary. > I use jaws and a braille display which has worked well. If you change > the language settings in jaws, you can be confident that it will > pronounce the words correctly. > > > On 6/1/13, Kate wrote: >> Chris: >> I actually had materials in Braille for both languages. I used my Empower >> Braille note and iPhone. There is a free Latin dictionary app. Latin does >> not have many precise pernunciations, and yes I switched the language to >> Spanish on my laptop. The reason I said what I said was because, though I >> had Braille preparations, I knew I had to start getting ready for college >> and the real world. With that said, I frequently practiced doing >> assignments >> on my laptop with VoiceOver...this was very helpful. I also recommended >> Spanish because Latin is more difficult to do online on account of the >> letters utilized. Latin, as well as Spanish, are helpful with enriching >> any >> individual's vocabulary skills. Therefore, I would recommend spanish >> because >> it is a more common language and the screen readers can easily adapt to >> speaking identical to a native speaker. Lastly, all laptops I have used >> can >> spell out each letter of any word if I command such action..this helps >> with >> spelling and grammar. >> Kathryn >> On May 31, 2013, at 6:54 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: >> >>> Kathryn, >>> >>> I'm curious as to how that works with your screen reader. How were you >>> able to ensure that your screen reader was pronouncing Spanish or >>> Latin words correctly? Did you change your speech synthesizer's >>> speaking language to that language when you were reading course >>> material? Also, how were you able to deal with Latin with a screen >>> reader? I haven't seen that as one of the language options, at least >>> in JAWS. Did you use a Braille display at any point during these >>> courses? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 30, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Kathryn Webster >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In my personal experience, I have taken both Latin and Spanish. I would >>>> advise you to take Spanish. Please let me know if you have further >>>> questions. I rather not bombard everyone's inbox. >>>> Kathryn >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On May 30, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Kirt wrote: >>>> >>>>> If it were me personally, I think I would opt for Latin although I can >>>>> understand why you would want to do Spanish. If you are set on Latin, >>>>> I >>>>> don't really see why you would need an eloquent synthesizer for it. >>>>> It's >>>>> not like Latin is something you would have to learn to speak >>>>> perfectly, >>>>> with the right accent, So I can't imagine pronunciation would matter >>>>> nearly as much as it would with something like Spanish. However, I can >>>>> see how having access to some sort of a braille display would be very >>>>> helpful, although I imagine you could get by without one. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On May 30, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Misty Dawn Bradley >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I took Spanish online also this past semester, and it went well >>>>>> except >>>>>> for the fact that the instructor used My Spanish Lab, which is not >>>>>> very >>>>>> accessible with JAWS. Otherwise, all of the other websites and course >>>>>> materials worked very well with JAWS. >>>>>> Misty >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridget Walker" >>>>>> >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:25 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Online Courses >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jaws has a built in synthesizer for Spanish but, I can see why you >>>>>>> want to take Latin. I would take Spanish only because of the fact >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> you must take the class on line. I know a jaws user who took Latin >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> three years but, I am pretty sure they used braille. I can ask them >>>>>>> and get back to you ASAP if you would like. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bridget >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 29, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Winona Brackett >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have to take two credits of one foreign language in order to meet >>>>>>>> graduation requirements. Because of scheduling, I have to take at >>>>>>>> least the first credit of the foreign language online through >>>>>>>> Florida >>>>>>>> Virtual School. I'm enro lled in Latin I currently. I'm having >>>>>>>> trouble >>>>>>>> learning the language and all the different word endings. What is >>>>>>>> Spanish like? Which course do you think is more accessible with >>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>> 14? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I continue with Latin, I will have to take Latin I and Latin II >>>>>>>> online. (The main reason why I wanted to try Latin is so I can >>>>>>>> improve >>>>>>>> my English vocabulary since most of the English language is from >>>>>>>> Latin >>>>>>>> roots.) My school doesn't offer Latin. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I took Spanish I online, I could take Spanish II at school. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What are your thoughts? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Winona >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aizenman%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 20:19:41 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 14:19:41 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention Agenda Now Available In-Reply-To: References: <-2115855496415745155@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: The Word version of the agenda should have the start and end times for all events. If it doesn't, then maybe it's not finalized yet? Arielle On 6/2/13, Kathryn Webster wrote: > hey all! > is there anywhere I can find the start and end times of all seminars or > events? i see on the website that only the events or titles are listed. > Thank you in advance! > Kathryn Webster > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 2, 2013, at 11:57 AM, christopher nusbaum > wrote: > >> Dear Fellow Federationists: According to what I saw on Twitter, the >> agenda for the 2013 NFB national convention in Orlando is now >> available online. To download the agenda in Microsoft Word format, >> visit the National Convention Web page at >> www.nfb.org/national-convention. For those of you who may not know, >> the convention will be held July 1-6 at the Rosen Centre Hotel in >> Orlando, Florida. I hope to see many of you at the convention! >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 21:18:16 2013 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 23:18:16 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google In-Reply-To: References: <000601ce57f5$4b9ac000$e2d04000$@gmail.com> <00ef01ce5800$d1c97c10$755c7430$@gmail.com> <002801ce5739$361ce9e0$a256bda0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19C42DC9-5608-424B-9FEC-5927B6032321@gmail.com> Believe me, Google apps will keep working with IE10. Nothing else to talk about! On May 24, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I use gmail online exclusively, and I looked for the message. I found > it near the top of my page. I clicked on the link to find a more > updated browser. It told me that I was running IE 10. Then it gave > me choices including firefox, Chrome, and some other things. Then I > kept reading, and it thanked me for keeping my browser up-to-date and > explained a little more about browsers in general. > > I think all google wants is to make sure people have the latest > browser, whatever that may be. I am not a computer genius though, so > I could have missed something. Please let me know if I am wrong > because then I'll need to download firefox or stop using the computer > altogether... I've used webmail for so long that I refuse to switch > to an email program at this point. :) > > On 5/23/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> I have the same question. As a jaws user, I use internet explorer 9 and >> often use google as my search engine. As a jaws user, I find this simple >> search webpage user friendly because it does not have many links and images >> >> as other search engines do like yahoo. >> I hope the ability to surf the internet using internet explorer 10 which is >> >> the latest browser is not affected. >> I'm tired of google's tricks and inaccessibility of their aps. >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: justin >> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:10 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google >> >> So, is my ability to surf the internet on my computer going to be affected? >> If so, what do we do? Does the nfb and Dr. Mauer know? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:00 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google >> >> Not only that, but it will effect all of us as blind computer users--that >> is, until Google makes Chrome accessible. >> >> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair >> Public Relations Committee >> Maryland Association of Blind Students >> Phone: (443) 547-2409 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh Gregory >> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:54 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google >> >> I hate to say this but this is going to drastically affect the notetakers. >> I >> mean the electronic ones with the displays. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 23, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Aleeha Dudley >> wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> I am running IE 10. >>> >>> If you look on the front page of your email, under the list of offered >> services like drive and calendar, you will see a message, if you are >> running >> Internet explorer, you will see a message that says your browser will soon >> no longer be supported. Under that message, you will see another line of >> text that says upgrade to a modern browser such as Google chrome. The >> browser link takes you to a site which will tell you what browser you are >> winning and will also list three other browsers that are more modern than >> yours. If I had not been bored and using my arrow keys to navigate the >> page, >> I would have never noticed this message. >>> I'll try to find another source for this information. >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 23, 2013, at 17:22, Desiree Oudinot >> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, a link would be nice. It was my understanding that Google was >>>> going to stop supporting IE 8, not IE in general. I thought versions >>>> newer than 8 would be ok. >>>> >>>> On 5/23/13, Anjelina Cruz wrote: >>>>> I am a bit behind. When was this info released? Can someone please >>>>> post a link about these possible changes? >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> On 5/23/13, ryan bishop wrote: >>>>>> Wait, are you saying there only going to expect Google crome? >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha >>>>>> Dudley >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:31 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>>>>> Google >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> For those using Internet explorer as your browser and using any >>>>>> Google-related app, your browser will soon no longer be supported. >>>>>> This means that you could easily lose access to your mail and any >>>>>> other google app. >>>>>> Just another reason why we should fight against the adoption of >>>>>> Google products at our colleges and universities!!!!! >>>>>> Just FYI. >>>>>> Aleeha >>>>>> >>>>>> 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list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 21:25:28 2013 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 23:25:28 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted In-Reply-To: <005201ce5e01$2a930720$7fb91560$@gmail.com> References: <876F37DB-8587-441B-9FBF-C308C1A12BD7@gmail.com> <9ACE5BAB-27D3-4271-9BDC-15DB3FEA6502@gmail.com> <005201ce5e01$2a930720$7fb91560$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5048BD35-DBDB-417B-A9D0-351FA866F749@gmail.com> Keystrokes work just fine. The Option key is the equivalent to the alt key and the Command key is the equivalent to the Windows key. On May 31, 2013, at 3:17 PM, justin wrote: > Would j aws keystrokes work the samewya on a mac wih windows eight, ro will > you be using the mac voice over/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra > Díaz > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 8:28 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting a Mac for my birthday, recommendations wanted > > Any current Mac will run Windows 8 without any problems. Just don't worry > about it. Choose the computer you want depending on your budget and needs > and it will really run Windows 8 smoothly. > On Jun 1, 2013, at 5:31 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer > wrote: > >> For my 19th birthday and high school graduation, my parents said that they > will be getting me a Mac. They wanted me to inquire from my sources, which > one would be best given the following specifications: I would like to be > able to have Windows 8 and a version of Mac running from the same computer, > I know that this is possible using Boot Camp, among other methods. What > specifications could I have to have a stable Windows 8 and Mac OS running > from the same system? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you! >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra% >> 40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 21:32:07 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 17:32:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention Agenda Now Available In-Reply-To: References: <-2115855496415745155@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <-7389351685271319861@unknownmsgid> Looks like the only version on the website is an accessible PDF file. This version does have the start and end times for each event. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > The Word version of the agenda should have the start and end times for > all events. If it doesn't, then maybe it's not finalized yet? > Arielle > > On 6/2/13, Kathryn Webster wrote: >> hey all! >> is there anywhere I can find the start and end times of all seminars or >> events? i see on the website that only the events or titles are listed. >> Thank you in advance! >> Kathryn Webster >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 2, 2013, at 11:57 AM, christopher nusbaum >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Fellow Federationists: According to what I saw on Twitter, the >>> agenda for the 2013 NFB national convention in Orlando is now >>> available online. To download the agenda in Microsoft Word format, >>> visit the National Convention Web page at >>> www.nfb.org/national-convention. For those of you who may not know, >>> the convention will be held July 1-6 at the Rosen Centre Hotel in >>> Orlando, Florida. I hope to see many of you at the convention! >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dwebster125 at gmail.com Sun Jun 2 23:52:08 2013 From: dwebster125 at gmail.com (david webster) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 16:52:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google In-Reply-To: <19C42DC9-5608-424B-9FEC-5927B6032321@gmail.com> References: <000601ce57f5$4b9ac000$e2d04000$@gmail.com> <00ef01ce5800$d1c97c10$755c7430$@gmail.com> <002801ce5739$361ce9e0$a256bda0$@gmail.com> <19C42DC9-5608-424B-9FEC-5927B6032321@gmail.com> Message-ID: hey folks its Dave. You cna use chrome just fine. it works with both jaws and for those of you who use system access it works as well. so. I'm using chrome right now. On 6/2/13, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: > Believe me, Google apps will keep working with IE10. Nothing else to talk > about! > On May 24, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Julie McGinnity wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I use gmail online exclusively, and I looked for the message. I found >> it near the top of my page. I clicked on the link to find a more >> updated browser. It told me that I was running IE 10. Then it gave >> me choices including firefox, Chrome, and some other things. Then I >> kept reading, and it thanked me for keeping my browser up-to-date and >> explained a little more about browsers in general. >> >> I think all google wants is to make sure people have the latest >> browser, whatever that may be. I am not a computer genius though, so >> I could have missed something. Please let me know if I am wrong >> because then I'll need to download firefox or stop using the computer >> altogether... I've used webmail for so long that I refuse to switch >> to an email program at this point. :) >> >> On 5/23/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> I have the same question. As a jaws user, I use internet explorer 9 and >>> often use google as my search engine. As a jaws user, I find this simple >>> search webpage user friendly because it does not have many links and >>> images >>> >>> as other search engines do like yahoo. >>> I hope the ability to surf the internet using internet explorer 10 which >>> is >>> >>> the latest browser is not affected. >>> I'm tired of google's tricks and inaccessibility of their aps. >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: justin >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:10 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>> Google >>> >>> So, is my ability to surf the internet on my computer going to be >>> affected? >>> If so, what do we do? Does the nfb and Dr. Mauer know? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris >>> Nusbaum >>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:00 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>> Google >>> >>> Not only that, but it will effect all of us as blind computer >>> users--that >>> is, until Google makes Chrome accessible. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair >>> Public Relations Committee >>> Maryland Association of Blind Students >>> Phone: (443) 547-2409 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh >>> Gregory >>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:54 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>> Google >>> >>> I hate to say this but this is going to drastically affect the >>> notetakers. >>> I >>> mean the electronic ones with the displays. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 23, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Aleeha Dudley >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> I am running IE 10. >>>> >>>> If you look on the front page of your email, under the list of offered >>> services like drive and calendar, you will see a message, if you are >>> running >>> Internet explorer, you will see a message that says your browser will >>> soon >>> no longer be supported. Under that message, you will see another line of >>> text that says upgrade to a modern browser such as Google chrome. The >>> browser link takes you to a site which will tell you what browser you >>> are >>> winning and will also list three other browsers that are more modern >>> than >>> yours. If I had not been bored and using my arrow keys to navigate the >>> page, >>> I would have never noticed this message. >>>> I'll try to find another source for this information. >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On May 23, 2013, at 17:22, Desiree Oudinot >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes, a link would be nice. It was my understanding that Google was >>>>> going to stop supporting IE 8, not IE in general. I thought versions >>>>> newer than 8 would be ok. >>>>> >>>>> On 5/23/13, Anjelina Cruz wrote: >>>>>> I am a bit behind. When was this info released? Can someone please >>>>>> post a link about these possible changes? >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/23/13, ryan bishop wrote: >>>>>>> Wait, are you saying there only going to expect Google crome? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha >>>>>>> Dudley >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:31 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>>>>>> Google >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> For those using Internet explorer as your browser and using any >>>>>>> Google-related app, your browser will soon no longer be supported. >>>>>>> This means that you could easily lose access to your mail and any >>>>>>> other google app. >>>>>>> Just another reason why we should fight against the adoption of >>>>>>> Google products at our colleges and universities!!!!! >>>>>>> Just FYI. >>>>>>> Aleeha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 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change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40 >>>>>> gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993% >>>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail >>>> .com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >> life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 00:09:49 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 20:09:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Technology Podcast to Feature Blind Students Message-ID: <004a01ce5fee$aaf7e130$00e7a390$@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I am passing the following information along on behalf of three friends who are starting a new technology-related podcast. Called the Ham and Eggs podcast, David, Stephen and Haley will talk about all things tech with a healthy dose of fun thrown in along the way. To listen to this podcast live or archived, please visit David's Web site at http://www.davidthetechguy.com. Please also feel free to pass the information along to your friends and social networks. If tweeting about this podcast, use the hashtag #HAEP. Enjoy! Happy listening, Chris Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair Public Relations Committee Maryland Association of Blind Students: a division of the National Federation of the Blind of Maryland Phone: (443) 547-2409 Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Personal Twitter: @Chrisn98 MDABS Twitter: @MDMdabs Personal Facebook: www.facebook.com/dotkid Join the MDABS Facebook Group: search for Maryland Association of Blind Students Skype: christpher.nusbaum3 or search for Chris Nusbaum "Together, we are changing what it means to be blind." - Motto of the Louisiana Center for the Blind From lily2011a at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 00:12:12 2013 From: lily2011a at gmail.com (Liliya Asadullina) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 20:12:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] MiniTab with JAWS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Justin, I just completed an itroductions Statistics course this past semester. Unfortunately, Minitab wasn't very accessible with Jaws, but it was doable. Stats is a very visual course, but it's nothing that we can't manage of course. I was able to create histograms, box plots and such though. When you are in the minitab program go to file menu, arrow to the right till you get to graphs... Then enter, then arrow down to the type of graph you want to create, enter on it and it should create it for you. Sometimes the graph is not lined up perfectly with the chart and you might get the problem incorrect if the graph doesn't show the way the program requires it to look like. I had a Graduate teaching assistant sit along side of me while doing my minitab assignment this semester and she would make sure my assignment looked presentable visually. Also, there are other commands for the Minitab program that work pretty well with jaws that your stats course teacher should go over with you. I can't remember them off the top of my head, but if no one goes over the commands with you; You may email me off list and I can get in touch with my GTA or my Stats department at school and get all of the commands written out for you. If you need to get in touch with me, please email me at Lily1127 at me.com. I check that email more frequently. Also, minitab is really good for doing the math for a large five number summary and doing math for hypothesis testing which you should be getting into towards the middle of your course. If you need any help with formulas or deffinitions feel free to let me know. I wasn't a pro at stats,but its still fresh in my mind so I'd be able to help you some. I complained to the Stats department about somehow making the minitab program more accessible at my school, since the college has an accessible technology department that works especially with making programs more accessible. Anyhow, hopefully they'll find a solution to making these types of math programs accessible for all in the near future. Another thing, if you're good at excell you can copy and paste your minitab problems into excell and solve them there. Then paste your final answers into the minitab data. Then just have someone sighted look over your finished assignment. Your call, but those are some options. Anyhow, hope this helps some! Have a great night. Peace, Lily On 6/1/13, Justin Young wrote: > Hi All! > > Hope you all are having an enjoyable Summer thus far! I'm currently > taking a 5 week Statistics course and in this course we have to use > this software called MiniTab. Its rather new to me because I've never > done a stats course before. I was wondering if any of you here that > have done stats courses have heard of this program? I also was > curious if you have indeed used it, how does JAWS work with it? I've > started playing with it, but wanted to see if any had any great > suggestions. Thanks as always! > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com > From kobycox at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 00:15:54 2013 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 19:15:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] MiniTab with JAWS? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <31FB495DB4134087AD0F59D1996340E8@OwnerPC> Liliy, It's Koby. Can you please email me off-list? My email address Is as follows: kobycox at gmail.com. Thanks, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Liliya Asadullina Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:12 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] MiniTab with JAWS? Justin, I just completed an itroductions Statistics course this past semester. Unfortunately, Minitab wasn't very accessible with Jaws, but it was doable. Stats is a very visual course, but it's nothing that we can't manage of course. I was able to create histograms, box plots and such though. When you are in the minitab program go to file menu, arrow to the right till you get to graphs... Then enter, then arrow down to the type of graph you want to create, enter on it and it should create it for you. Sometimes the graph is not lined up perfectly with the chart and you might get the problem incorrect if the graph doesn't show the way the program requires it to look like. I had a Graduate teaching assistant sit along side of me while doing my minitab assignment this semester and she would make sure my assignment looked presentable visually. Also, there are other commands for the Minitab program that work pretty well with jaws that your stats course teacher should go over with you. I can't remember them off the top of my head, but if no one goes over the commands with you; You may email me off list and I can get in touch with my GTA or my Stats department at school and get all of the commands written out for you. If you need to get in touch with me, please email me at Lily1127 at me.com. I check that email more frequently. Also, minitab is really good for doing the math for a large five number summary and doing math for hypothesis testing which you should be getting into towards the middle of your course. If you need any help with formulas or deffinitions feel free to let me know. I wasn't a pro at stats,but its still fresh in my mind so I'd be able to help you some. I complained to the Stats department about somehow making the minitab program more accessible at my school, since the college has an accessible technology department that works especially with making programs more accessible. Anyhow, hopefully they'll find a solution to making these types of math programs accessible for all in the near future. Another thing, if you're good at excell you can copy and paste your minitab problems into excell and solve them there. Then paste your final answers into the minitab data. Then just have someone sighted look over your finished assignment. Your call, but those are some options. Anyhow, hope this helps some! Have a great night. Peace, Lily On 6/1/13, Justin Young wrote: > Hi All! > > Hope you all are having an enjoyable Summer thus far! I'm currently > taking a 5 week Statistics course and in this course we have to use > this software called MiniTab. Its rather new to me because I've never > done a stats course before. I was wondering if any of you here that > have done stats courses have heard of this program? I also was > curious if you have indeed used it, how does JAWS work with it? I've > started playing with it, but wanted to see if any had any great > suggestions. Thanks as always! > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gma il.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail .com From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 01:39:21 2013 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 19:39:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google In-Reply-To: References: <000601ce57f5$4b9ac000$e2d04000$@gmail.com> <00ef01ce5800$d1c97c10$755c7430$@gmail.com> <002801ce5739$361ce9e0$a256bda0$@gmail.com> <19C42DC9-5608-424B-9FEC-5927B6032321@gmail.com> Message-ID: This doesn't seem like something to get up in arms about... If an older version of Internet Explorer wont be supported any longer by Google apps, you can simply update to a newer version, or try a different browser like Firefox or Chrome. You aren't going to completely lose access to your mail or any of your important files or information. You just need to update. This isn't a case of Google playing dirty. I run technical support for a small software start-up, and it's just the nature of software to update over time and consequently become incompatible with much older versions of software its supposed to play nicely with. This would happen with any company, but may happen faster or more often with companies that are moving forward quickly and making big changes to their apps. That's why it isn't a good idea to become dependent on old versions to the point that needing to update our browser interrupts our productivity significantly. In the world of technology, change is a good thing, because updates often fix bugs and improve usability. It just takes some getting used to. Best, Jamie Principato On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM, david webster wrote: > hey folks its Dave. You cna use chrome just fine. it works with both > jaws and for those of you who use system access it works as well. so. > I'm using chrome right now. > > On 6/2/13, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: > > Believe me, Google apps will keep working with IE10. Nothing else to talk > > about! > > On May 24, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Julie McGinnity > wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> I use gmail online exclusively, and I looked for the message. I found > >> it near the top of my page. I clicked on the link to find a more > >> updated browser. It told me that I was running IE 10. Then it gave > >> me choices including firefox, Chrome, and some other things. Then I > >> kept reading, and it thanked me for keeping my browser up-to-date and > >> explained a little more about browsers in general. > >> > >> I think all google wants is to make sure people have the latest > >> browser, whatever that may be. I am not a computer genius though, so > >> I could have missed something. Please let me know if I am wrong > >> because then I'll need to download firefox or stop using the computer > >> altogether... I've used webmail for so long that I refuse to switch > >> to an email program at this point. :) > >> > >> On 5/23/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >>> I have the same question. As a jaws user, I use internet explorer 9 > and > >>> often use google as my search engine. As a jaws user, I find this > simple > >>> search webpage user friendly because it does not have many links and > >>> images > >>> > >>> as other search engines do like yahoo. > >>> I hope the ability to surf the internet using internet explorer 10 > which > >>> is > >>> > >>> the latest browser is not affected. > >>> I'm tired of google's tricks and inaccessibility of their aps. > >>> Ashley > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: justin > >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:10 PM > >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from > >>> Google > >>> > >>> So, is my ability to surf the internet on my computer going to be > >>> affected? > >>> If so, what do we do? Does the nfb and Dr. Mauer know? > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris > >>> Nusbaum > >>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:00 PM > >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from > >>> Google > >>> > >>> Not only that, but it will effect all of us as blind computer > >>> users--that > >>> is, until Google makes Chrome accessible. > >>> > >>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair > >>> Public Relations Committee > >>> Maryland Association of Blind Students > >>> Phone: (443) 547-2409 > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh > >>> Gregory > >>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:54 PM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from > >>> Google > >>> > >>> I hate to say this but this is going to drastically affect the > >>> notetakers. > >>> I > >>> mean the electronic ones with the displays. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On May 23, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Aleeha Dudley > > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello all, > >>>> I am running IE 10. > >>>> > >>>> If you look on the front page of your email, under the list of offered > >>> services like drive and calendar, you will see a message, if you are > >>> running > >>> Internet explorer, you will see a message that says your browser will > >>> soon > >>> no longer be supported. Under that message, you will see another line > of > >>> text that says upgrade to a modern browser such as Google chrome. The > >>> browser link takes you to a site which will tell you what browser you > >>> are > >>> winning and will also list three other browsers that are more modern > >>> than > >>> yours. If I had not been bored and using my arrow keys to navigate the > >>> page, > >>> I would have never noticed this message. > >>>> I'll try to find another source for this information. > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On May 23, 2013, at 17:22, Desiree Oudinot > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Yes, a link would be nice. It was my understanding that Google was > >>>>> going to stop supporting IE 8, not IE in general. I thought versions > >>>>> newer than 8 would be ok. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 5/23/13, Anjelina Cruz wrote: > >>>>>> I am a bit behind. When was this info released? Can someone please > >>>>>> post a link about these possible changes? > >>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 5/23/13, ryan bishop wrote: > >>>>>>> Wait, are you saying there only going to expect Google crome? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Aleeha > >>>>>>> Dudley > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:31 PM > >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from > >>>>>>> Google > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>> For those using Internet explorer as your browser and using any > >>>>>>> Google-related app, your browser will soon no longer be supported. > >>>>>>> This means that you could easily lose access to your mail and any > >>>>>>> other google app. > >>>>>>> Just another reason why we should fight against the adoption of > >>>>>>> Google products at our colleges and universities!!!!! > >>>>>>> Just FYI. > >>>>>>> Aleeha > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%4 > >>>>>>> 0gmail.co > >>>>>>> m > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40g > >>>>>>> mail.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Anjelina > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>>> for > >>>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40 > >>>>>> gmail.com > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993% > >>>>> 40gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail > >>>> .com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > >>> om > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > >>> .com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Julie McG > >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > >> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > >> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > >> life." > >> John 3:16 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From joshkart12 at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 01:44:29 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 21:44:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google In-Reply-To: References: <000601ce57f5$4b9ac000$e2d04000$@gmail.com> <00ef01ce5800$d1c97c10$755c7430$@gmail.com> <002801ce5739$361ce9e0$a256bda0$@gmail.com> <19C42DC9-5608-424B-9FEC-5927B6032321@gmail.com> Message-ID: You make some good observations, but what are students that rely on notetakers going to do? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2013, at 9:39 PM, Jamie Principato wrote: > This doesn't seem like something to get up in arms about... If an older > version of Internet Explorer wont be supported any longer by Google apps, > you can simply update to a newer version, or try a different browser like > Firefox or Chrome. You aren't going to completely lose access to your mail > or any of your important files or information. You just need to update. > This isn't a case of Google playing dirty. I run technical support for a > small software start-up, and it's just the nature of software to update > over time and consequently become incompatible with much older versions of > software its supposed to play nicely with. This would happen with any > company, but may happen faster or more often with companies that are moving > forward quickly and making big changes to their apps. That's why it isn't a > good idea to become dependent on old versions to the point that needing to > update our browser interrupts our productivity significantly. In the world > of technology, change is a good thing, because updates often fix bugs and > improve usability. It just takes some getting used to. > > Best, > > Jamie Principato > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM, david webster wrote: > >> hey folks its Dave. You cna use chrome just fine. it works with both >> jaws and for those of you who use system access it works as well. so. >> I'm using chrome right now. >> >> On 6/2/13, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: >>> Believe me, Google apps will keep working with IE10. Nothing else to talk >>> about! >>> On May 24, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Julie McGinnity >> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I use gmail online exclusively, and I looked for the message. I found >>>> it near the top of my page. I clicked on the link to find a more >>>> updated browser. It told me that I was running IE 10. Then it gave >>>> me choices including firefox, Chrome, and some other things. Then I >>>> kept reading, and it thanked me for keeping my browser up-to-date and >>>> explained a little more about browsers in general. >>>> >>>> I think all google wants is to make sure people have the latest >>>> browser, whatever that may be. I am not a computer genius though, so >>>> I could have missed something. Please let me know if I am wrong >>>> because then I'll need to download firefox or stop using the computer >>>> altogether... I've used webmail for so long that I refuse to switch >>>> to an email program at this point. :) >>>> >>>> On 5/23/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> I have the same question. As a jaws user, I use internet explorer 9 >> and >>>>> often use google as my search engine. As a jaws user, I find this >> simple >>>>> search webpage user friendly because it does not have many links and >>>>> images >>>>> >>>>> as other search engines do like yahoo. >>>>> I hope the ability to surf the internet using internet explorer 10 >> which >>>>> is >>>>> >>>>> the latest browser is not affected. >>>>> I'm tired of google's tricks and inaccessibility of their aps. >>>>> Ashley >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: justin >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:10 PM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>>>> Google >>>>> >>>>> So, is my ability to surf the internet on my computer going to be >>>>> affected? >>>>> If so, what do we do? Does the nfb and Dr. Mauer know? >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris >>>>> Nusbaum >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:00 PM >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>>>> Google >>>>> >>>>> Not only that, but it will effect all of us as blind computer >>>>> users--that >>>>> is, until Google makes Chrome accessible. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair >>>>> Public Relations Committee >>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students >>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh >>>>> Gregory >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:54 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>>>> Google >>>>> >>>>> I hate to say this but this is going to drastically affect the >>>>> notetakers. >>>>> I >>>>> mean the electronic ones with the displays. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On May 23, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Aleeha Dudley >> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> I am running IE 10. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you look on the front page of your email, under the list of offered >>>>> services like drive and calendar, you will see a message, if you are >>>>> running >>>>> Internet explorer, you will see a message that says your browser will >>>>> soon >>>>> no longer be supported. Under that message, you will see another line >> of >>>>> text that says upgrade to a modern browser such as Google chrome. The >>>>> browser link takes you to a site which will tell you what browser you >>>>> are >>>>> winning and will also list three other browsers that are more modern >>>>> than >>>>> yours. If I had not been bored and using my arrow keys to navigate the >>>>> page, >>>>> I would have never noticed this message. >>>>>> I'll try to find another source for this information. >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 23, 2013, at 17:22, Desiree Oudinot >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, a link would be nice. It was my understanding that Google was >>>>>>> going to stop supporting IE 8, not IE in general. I thought versions >>>>>>> newer than 8 would be ok. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/23/13, Anjelina Cruz wrote: >>>>>>>> I am a bit behind. When was this info released? Can someone please >>>>>>>> post a link about these possible changes? >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/23/13, ryan bishop wrote: >>>>>>>>> Wait, are you saying there only going to expect Google crome? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Aleeha >>>>>>>>> Dudley >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:31 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> For those using Internet explorer as your browser and using any >>>>>>>>> Google-related app, your browser will soon no longer be supported. >>>>>>>>> This means that you could easily lose access to your mail and any >>>>>>>>> other google app. >>>>>>>>> Just another reason why we should fight against the adoption of >>>>>>>>> Google products at our colleges and universities!!!!! >>>>>>>>> Just FYI. >>>>>>>>> Aleeha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%4 >>>>>>>>> 0gmail.co >>>>>>>>> m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40g >>>>>>>>> mail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Anjelina >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40 >>>>>>>> gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993% >>>>>>> 40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail >>>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>>> om >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Julie McG >>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>>> life." >>>> John 3:16 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 01:58:08 2013 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 19:58:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google In-Reply-To: References: <000601ce57f5$4b9ac000$e2d04000$@gmail.com> <00ef01ce5800$d1c97c10$755c7430$@gmail.com> <002801ce5739$361ce9e0$a256bda0$@gmail.com> <19C42DC9-5608-424B-9FEC-5927B6032321@gmail.com> Message-ID: What problems does this present for notetakers? Are they all limited to one older version of IE? On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > You make some good observations, but what are students that rely on > notetakers going to do? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 2, 2013, at 9:39 PM, Jamie Principato > wrote: > > > This doesn't seem like something to get up in arms about... If an older > > version of Internet Explorer wont be supported any longer by Google apps, > > you can simply update to a newer version, or try a different browser like > > Firefox or Chrome. You aren't going to completely lose access to your > mail > > or any of your important files or information. You just need to update. > > This isn't a case of Google playing dirty. I run technical support for a > > small software start-up, and it's just the nature of software to update > > over time and consequently become incompatible with much older versions > of > > software its supposed to play nicely with. This would happen with any > > company, but may happen faster or more often with companies that are > moving > > forward quickly and making big changes to their apps. That's why it > isn't a > > good idea to become dependent on old versions to the point that needing > to > > update our browser interrupts our productivity significantly. In the > world > > of technology, change is a good thing, because updates often fix bugs and > > improve usability. It just takes some getting used to. > > > > Best, > > > > Jamie Principato > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM, david webster > wrote: > > > >> hey folks its Dave. You cna use chrome just fine. it works with both > >> jaws and for those of you who use system access it works as well. so. > >> I'm using chrome right now. > >> > >> On 6/2/13, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: > >>> Believe me, Google apps will keep working with IE10. Nothing else to > talk > >>> about! > >>> On May 24, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Julie McGinnity > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi everyone, > >>>> > >>>> I use gmail online exclusively, and I looked for the message. I found > >>>> it near the top of my page. I clicked on the link to find a more > >>>> updated browser. It told me that I was running IE 10. Then it gave > >>>> me choices including firefox, Chrome, and some other things. Then I > >>>> kept reading, and it thanked me for keeping my browser up-to-date and > >>>> explained a little more about browsers in general. > >>>> > >>>> I think all google wants is to make sure people have the latest > >>>> browser, whatever that may be. I am not a computer genius though, so > >>>> I could have missed something. Please let me know if I am wrong > >>>> because then I'll need to download firefox or stop using the computer > >>>> altogether... I've used webmail for so long that I refuse to switch > >>>> to an email program at this point. :) > >>>> > >>>> On 5/23/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >>>>> I have the same question. As a jaws user, I use internet explorer 9 > >> and > >>>>> often use google as my search engine. As a jaws user, I find this > >> simple > >>>>> search webpage user friendly because it does not have many links and > >>>>> images > >>>>> > >>>>> as other search engines do like yahoo. > >>>>> I hope the ability to surf the internet using internet explorer 10 > >> which > >>>>> is > >>>>> > >>>>> the latest browser is not affected. > >>>>> I'm tired of google's tricks and inaccessibility of their aps. > >>>>> Ashley > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: justin > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:10 PM > >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from > >>>>> Google > >>>>> > >>>>> So, is my ability to surf the internet on my computer going to be > >>>>> affected? > >>>>> If so, what do we do? Does the nfb and Dr. Mauer know? > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris > >>>>> Nusbaum > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:00 PM > >>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from > >>>>> Google > >>>>> > >>>>> Not only that, but it will effect all of us as blind computer > >>>>> users--that > >>>>> is, until Google makes Chrome accessible. > >>>>> > >>>>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair > >>>>> Public Relations Committee > >>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students > >>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh > >>>>> Gregory > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:54 PM > >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from > >>>>> Google > >>>>> > >>>>> I hate to say this but this is going to drastically affect the > >>>>> notetakers. > >>>>> I > >>>>> mean the electronic ones with the displays. > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> > >>>>> On May 23, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Aleeha Dudley < > blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com > >>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hello all, > >>>>>> I am running IE 10. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you look on the front page of your email, under the list of > offered > >>>>> services like drive and calendar, you will see a message, if you are > >>>>> running > >>>>> Internet explorer, you will see a message that says your browser will > >>>>> soon > >>>>> no longer be supported. Under that message, you will see another line > >> of > >>>>> text that says upgrade to a modern browser such as Google chrome. The > >>>>> browser link takes you to a site which will tell you what browser you > >>>>> are > >>>>> winning and will also list three other browsers that are more modern > >>>>> than > >>>>> yours. If I had not been bored and using my arrow keys to navigate > the > >>>>> page, > >>>>> I would have never noticed this message. > >>>>>> I'll try to find another source for this information. > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On May 23, 2013, at 17:22, Desiree Oudinot > > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes, a link would be nice. It was my understanding that Google was > >>>>>>> going to stop supporting IE 8, not IE in general. I thought > versions > >>>>>>> newer than 8 would be ok. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 5/23/13, Anjelina Cruz wrote: > >>>>>>>> I am a bit behind. When was this info released? Can someone please > >>>>>>>> post a link about these possible changes? > >>>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 5/23/13, ryan bishop wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Wait, are you saying there only going to expect Google crome? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > >> Aleeha > >>>>>>>>> Dudley > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:31 PM > >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from > >>>>>>>>> Google > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>>> For those using Internet explorer as your browser and using any > >>>>>>>>> Google-related app, your browser will soon no longer be > supported. > >>>>>>>>> This means that you could easily lose access to your mail and any > >>>>>>>>> other google app. > >>>>>>>>> Just another reason why we should fight against the adoption of > >>>>>>>>> Google products at our colleges and universities!!!!! > >>>>>>>>> Just FYI. > >>>>>>>>> Aleeha > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%4 > >>>>>>>>> 0gmail.co > >>>>>>>>> m > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40g > >>>>>>>>> mail.com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Anjelina > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 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options or get your account info > for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail > >>>>>> .com > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > >>>>> om > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > >>>>> .com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Julie McG > >>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > >>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > >>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > >>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > >>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > >>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > >>>> life." > >>>> John 3:16 > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From treyman19 at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 02:36:52 2013 From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley) Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 22:36:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] MackBook Pro questions for you all Message-ID: Is there anyone that want to sell there MacBook Pro? I also was wondering if there is anyone on this list that can help me with business law I am considering business law as my major. -- Roosevelt Bradley From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 05:05:32 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 00:05:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention Agenda Now Available Message-ID: <51ac2425.24c8ec0a.5788.6a0a@mx.google.com> Could someone please repost the link to the agenda. I know someone posted it earlier, but I accidentally deleted the email. I want the accessible PDF file on my braillenote for convention. Much appreciated, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman wrote: hey all! is there anywhere I can find the start and end times of all seminars or events? i see on the website that only the events or titles are listed. Thank you in advance! Kathryn Webster Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2013, at 11:57 AM, christopher nusbaum References: <000601ce57f5$4b9ac000$e2d04000$@gmail.com> <00ef01ce5800$d1c97c10$755c7430$@gmail.com> <002801ce5739$361ce9e0$a256bda0$@gmail.com> <19C42DC9-5608-424B-9FEC-5927B6032321@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62F0490E-4FC0-48A5-B9C4-A4A807CBA85A@gmail.com> Yes, at this point, and they most likely almost always will be. Every notetaker that I know of, the apex and the sense line All currently run IE 6. The sense may someday soon have an updated browser, but who knows what version that will be so that may even be out of date as far as compatibility and stuff goes. Now don't get me wrong, I understand that a notetaker isn't everything, but it should at least have a somewhat up to par web browser. I'm sorry but that is how I feel Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Jamie Principato wrote: > What problems does this present for notetakers? Are they all limited to one > older version of IE? > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > >> You make some good observations, but what are students that rely on >> notetakers going to do? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 2, 2013, at 9:39 PM, Jamie Principato >> wrote: >> >>> This doesn't seem like something to get up in arms about... If an older >>> version of Internet Explorer wont be supported any longer by Google apps, >>> you can simply update to a newer version, or try a different browser like >>> Firefox or Chrome. You aren't going to completely lose access to your >> mail >>> or any of your important files or information. You just need to update. >>> This isn't a case of Google playing dirty. I run technical support for a >>> small software start-up, and it's just the nature of software to update >>> over time and consequently become incompatible with much older versions >> of >>> software its supposed to play nicely with. This would happen with any >>> company, but may happen faster or more often with companies that are >> moving >>> forward quickly and making big changes to their apps. That's why it >> isn't a >>> good idea to become dependent on old versions to the point that needing >> to >>> update our browser interrupts our productivity significantly. In the >> world >>> of technology, change is a good thing, because updates often fix bugs and >>> improve usability. It just takes some getting used to. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Jamie Principato >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM, david webster >> wrote: >>> >>>> hey folks its Dave. You cna use chrome just fine. it works with both >>>> jaws and for those of you who use system access it works as well. so. >>>> I'm using chrome right now. >>>> >>>> On 6/2/13, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: >>>>> Believe me, Google apps will keep working with IE10. Nothing else to >> talk >>>>> about! >>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Julie McGinnity >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> I use gmail online exclusively, and I looked for the message. I found >>>>>> it near the top of my page. I clicked on the link to find a more >>>>>> updated browser. It told me that I was running IE 10. Then it gave >>>>>> me choices including firefox, Chrome, and some other things. Then I >>>>>> kept reading, and it thanked me for keeping my browser up-to-date and >>>>>> explained a little more about browsers in general. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think all google wants is to make sure people have the latest >>>>>> browser, whatever that may be. I am not a computer genius though, so >>>>>> I could have missed something. Please let me know if I am wrong >>>>>> because then I'll need to download firefox or stop using the computer >>>>>> altogether... I've used webmail for so long that I refuse to switch >>>>>> to an email program at this point. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/23/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>> I have the same question. As a jaws user, I use internet explorer 9 >>>> and >>>>>>> often use google as my search engine. As a jaws user, I find this >>>> simple >>>>>>> search webpage user friendly because it does not have many links and >>>>>>> images >>>>>>> >>>>>>> as other search engines do like yahoo. >>>>>>> I hope the ability to surf the internet using internet explorer 10 >>>> which >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the latest browser is not affected. >>>>>>> I'm tired of google's tricks and inaccessibility of their aps. >>>>>>> Ashley >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: justin >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:10 PM >>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>>>>>> Google >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, is my ability to surf the internet on my computer going to be >>>>>>> affected? >>>>>>> If so, what do we do? Does the nfb and Dr. Mauer know? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris >>>>>>> Nusbaum >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:00 PM >>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>>>>>> Google >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not only that, but it will effect all of us as blind computer >>>>>>> users--that >>>>>>> is, until Google makes Chrome accessible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair >>>>>>> Public Relations Committee >>>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students >>>>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh >>>>>>> Gregory >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:54 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>>>>>> Google >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hate to say this but this is going to drastically affect the >>>>>>> notetakers. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> mean the electronic ones with the displays. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 23, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Aleeha Dudley < >> blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>> I am running IE 10. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you look on the front page of your email, under the list of >> offered >>>>>>> services like drive and calendar, you will see a message, if you are >>>>>>> running >>>>>>> Internet explorer, you will see a message that says your browser will >>>>>>> soon >>>>>>> no longer be supported. Under that message, you will see another line >>>> of >>>>>>> text that says upgrade to a modern browser such as Google chrome. The >>>>>>> browser link takes you to a site which will tell you what browser you >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> winning and will also list three other browsers that are more modern >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> yours. If I had not been bored and using my arrow keys to navigate >> the >>>>>>> page, >>>>>>> I would have never noticed this message. >>>>>>>> I'll try to find another source for this information. >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 23, 2013, at 17:22, Desiree Oudinot >> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, a link would be nice. It was my understanding that Google was >>>>>>>>> going to stop supporting IE 8, not IE in general. I thought >> versions >>>>>>>>> newer than 8 would be ok. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5/23/13, Anjelina Cruz wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I am a bit behind. When was this info released? Can someone please >>>>>>>>>> post a link about these possible changes? >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/13, ryan bishop wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Wait, are you saying there only going to expect Google crome? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Aleeha >>>>>>>>>>> Dudley >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:31 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from >>>>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>> For those using Internet explorer as your browser and using any >>>>>>>>>>> Google-related app, your browser will soon no longer be >> supported. >>>>>>>>>>> This means that you could easily lose access to your mail and any >>>>>>>>>>> other google app. >>>>>>>>>>> Just another reason why we should fight against the adoption of >>>>>>>>>>> Google products at our colleges and universities!!!!! >>>>>>>>>>> Just FYI. >>>>>>>>>>> Aleeha >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%4 >>>>>>>>>>> 0gmail.co >>>>>>>>>>> m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40g >>>>>>>>>>> mail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Anjelina >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40 >>>>>>>>>> gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993% >>>>>>>>> 40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail >>>>>>>> .com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >>>>>>> om >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>>>>> .com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Julie McG >>>>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>>>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>>>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>>>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>>>>> life." >>>>>> John 3:16 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 08:22:08 2013 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 02:22:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google In-Reply-To: <62F0490E-4FC0-48A5-B9C4-A4A807CBA85A@gmail.com> References: <000601ce57f5$4b9ac000$e2d04000$@gmail.com> <00ef01ce5800$d1c97c10$755c7430$@gmail.com> <002801ce5739$361ce9e0$a256bda0$@gmail.com> <19C42DC9-5608-424B-9FEC-5927B6032321@gmail.com> <62F0490E-4FC0-48A5-B9C4-A4A807CBA85A@gmail.com> Message-ID: I would consider it technological evolution in action. Companies that make notetakers are just like any other companies. They need to keep up with changes in tech standards just like the software developers do. I think we have some power as consumers to let our voices be heard by the notetaker developers and bring to their attention the demand for modern hardware that is compatible with the modern software we need to use. If notetakers are going to compete with laptop computers and tablets, they need to offer at least similar functionality. On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Josh Gregory wrote: > Yes, at this point, and they most likely almost always will be. Every > notetaker that I know of, the apex and the sense line > All currently run IE 6. The sense may someday soon have an updated > browser, but who knows what version that will be so that may even be out of > date as far as compatibility and stuff goes. > Now don't get me wrong, I understand that a notetaker isn't everything, > but it should at least have a somewhat up to par web browser. I'm sorry but > that is how I feel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 2, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Jamie Principato > wrote: > > > What problems does this present for notetakers? Are they all limited to > one > > older version of IE? > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Josh Gregory > wrote: > > > >> You make some good observations, but what are students that rely on > >> notetakers going to do? > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Jun 2, 2013, at 9:39 PM, Jamie Principato > >> wrote: > >> > >>> This doesn't seem like something to get up in arms about... If an older > >>> version of Internet Explorer wont be supported any longer by Google > apps, > >>> you can simply update to a newer version, or try a different browser > like > >>> Firefox or Chrome. You aren't going to completely lose access to your > >> mail > >>> or any of your important files or information. You just need to update. > >>> This isn't a case of Google playing dirty. I run technical support for > a > >>> small software start-up, and it's just the nature of software to update > >>> over time and consequently become incompatible with much older versions > >> of > >>> software its supposed to play nicely with. This would happen with any > >>> company, but may happen faster or more often with companies that are > >> moving > >>> forward quickly and making big changes to their apps. That's why it > >> isn't a > >>> good idea to become dependent on old versions to the point that needing > >> to > >>> update our browser interrupts our productivity significantly. In the > >> world > >>> of technology, change is a good thing, because updates often fix bugs > and > >>> improve usability. It just takes some getting used to. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> Jamie Principato > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM, david webster > >> wrote: > >>> > >>>> hey folks its Dave. You cna use chrome just fine. it works with both > >>>> jaws and for those of you who use system access it works as well. so. > >>>> I'm using chrome right now. > >>>> > >>>> On 6/2/13, Ignasi Cambra Díaz wrote: > >>>>> Believe me, Google apps will keep working with IE10. Nothing else to > >> talk > >>>>> about! > >>>>> On May 24, 2013, at 5:59 AM, Julie McGinnity > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi everyone, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I use gmail online exclusively, and I looked for the message. I > found > >>>>>> it near the top of my page. I clicked on the link to find a more > >>>>>> updated browser. It told me that I was running IE 10. Then it gave > >>>>>> me choices including firefox, Chrome, and some other things. Then I > >>>>>> kept reading, and it thanked me for keeping my browser up-to-date > and > >>>>>> explained a little more about browsers in general. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think all google wants is to make sure people have the latest > >>>>>> browser, whatever that may be. I am not a computer genius though, > so > >>>>>> I could have missed something. Please let me know if I am wrong > >>>>>> because then I'll need to download firefox or stop using the > computer > >>>>>> altogether... I've used webmail for so long that I refuse to switch > >>>>>> to an email program at this point. :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 5/23/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >>>>>>> I have the same question. As a jaws user, I use internet explorer > 9 > >>>> and > >>>>>>> often use google as my search engine. As a jaws user, I find this > >>>> simple > >>>>>>> search webpage user friendly because it does not have many links > and > >>>>>>> images > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> as other search engines do like yahoo. > >>>>>>> I hope the ability to surf the internet using internet explorer 10 > >>>> which > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the latest browser is not affected. > >>>>>>> I'm tired of google's tricks and inaccessibility of their aps. > >>>>>>> Ashley > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: justin > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:10 PM > >>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update > from > >>>>>>> Google > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So, is my ability to surf the internet on my computer going to be > >>>>>>> affected? > >>>>>>> If so, what do we do? Does the nfb and Dr. Mauer know? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris > >>>>>>> Nusbaum > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:00 PM > >>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update > from > >>>>>>> Google > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Not only that, but it will effect all of us as blind computer > >>>>>>> users--that > >>>>>>> is, until Google makes Chrome accessible. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair > >>>>>>> Public Relations Committee > >>>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students > >>>>>>> Phone: (443) 547-2409 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh > >>>>>>> Gregory > >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:54 PM > >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update > from > >>>>>>> Google > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I hate to say this but this is going to drastically affect the > >>>>>>> notetakers. > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> mean the electronic ones with the displays. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On May 23, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Aleeha Dudley < > >> blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com > >>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hello all, > >>>>>>>> I am running IE 10. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If you look on the front page of your email, under the list of > >> offered > >>>>>>> services like drive and calendar, you will see a message, if you > are > >>>>>>> running > >>>>>>> Internet explorer, you will see a message that says your browser > will > >>>>>>> soon > >>>>>>> no longer be supported. Under that message, you will see another > line > >>>> of > >>>>>>> text that says upgrade to a modern browser such as Google chrome. > The > >>>>>>> browser link takes you to a site which will tell you what browser > you > >>>>>>> are > >>>>>>> winning and will also list three other browsers that are more > modern > >>>>>>> than > >>>>>>> yours. If I had not been bored and using my arrow keys to navigate > >> the > >>>>>>> page, > >>>>>>> I would have never noticed this message. > >>>>>>>> I'll try to find another source for this information. > >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On May 23, 2013, at 17:22, Desiree Oudinot < > turtlepower17 at gmail.com > >>> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Yes, a link would be nice. It was my understanding that Google > was > >>>>>>>>> going to stop supporting IE 8, not IE in general. I thought > >> versions > >>>>>>>>> newer than 8 would be ok. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 5/23/13, Anjelina Cruz wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> I am a bit behind. When was this info released? Can someone > please > >>>>>>>>>> post a link about these possible changes? > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/13, ryan bishop wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Wait, are you saying there only going to expect Google crome? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > >>>> Aleeha > >>>>>>>>>>> Dudley > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:31 PM > >>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update > from > >>>>>>>>>>> Google > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>>>>> For those using Internet explorer as your browser and using any > >>>>>>>>>>> Google-related app, your browser will soon no longer be > >> supported. > >>>>>>>>>>> This means that you could easily lose access to your mail and > any > >>>>>>>>>>> other google app. > >>>>>>>>>>> Just another reason why we should fight against the 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2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 11:43:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention Agenda Now Available In-Reply-To: <51ac2425.24c8ec0a.5788.6a0a@mx.google.com> References: <51ac2425.24c8ec0a.5788.6a0a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The direct link is: https://nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/pdf/national-convention-agenda-2013-web.pdf On Jun 3, 2013, at 12:05 AM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Could someone please repost the link to the agenda. I know someone posted it earlier, but I accidentally deleted the email. I want the accessible PDF file on my braillenote for convention. > > Much appreciated, > Sophie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 14:19:41 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] National Convention Agenda Now Available > > The Word version of the agenda should have the start and end times for > all events. If it doesn't, then maybe it's not finalized yet? > Arielle > > On 6/2/13, Kathryn Webster wrote: > hey all! > is there anywhere I can find the start and end times of all seminars or > events? i see on the website that only the events or titles are listed. > Thank you in advance! > Kathryn Webster > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 2, 2013, at 11:57 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > > Dear Fellow Federationists: According to what I saw on Twitter, the > agenda for the 2013 NFB national convention in Orlando is now > available online. To download the agenda in Microsoft Word format, > visit the National Convention Web page at > www.nfb.org/national-convention. For those of you who may not know, > the convention will be held July 1-6 at the Rosen Centre Hotel in > Orlando, Florida. I hope to see many of you at the convention! > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynw > ebster%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle7 > 1%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpea > reader%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at host.nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 18:12:02 2013 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 14:12:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The June 2013 Braille Monitor Message-ID: <51acdc97.d21c3a0a.5eb0.2838@mx.google.com> Dear Nabs Members, I have a question about one of the publications that I receive from the Nfb. Has the June edition of the Braille Monitor been published yet? I have not received the email about it and I checked the Nfb web site and it was not posted. Please respond as soon as possible. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jun 3 19:05:41 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 15:05:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The June 2013 Braille Monitor In-Reply-To: <51acdc97.d21c3a0a.5eb0.2838@mx.google.com> References: <51acdc97.d21c3a0a.5eb0.2838@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3B05F6E5D93D450996FC5295FD6F5EEA@OwnerPC> since its not online, I don't think they published it yet; I also checked looking for a new edition. Give it a week. its only june 3. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Roanna Baccchus Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 2:12 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] The June 2013 Braille Monitor Dear Nabs Members, I have a question about one of the publications that I receive from the Nfb. Has the June edition of the Braille Monitor been published yet? I have not received the email about it and I checked the Nfb web site and it was not posted. Please respond as soon as possible. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From djd76257 at gmail.com Mon Jun 3 20:48:05 2013 From: djd76257 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:48:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] OT: The Djd Invasion Request Center Goes Live Tonight And You Could Win A Gift Card Too Message-ID: <84F059F26D5747EDB8A8FEA39CCA1BA4@WildJasmine> Hello All! Fun times await you on tonight's Djd Invasion! A brand new show feature premieres. And someone is going to walk away with a 20 dollar amazon gift card or ITunes gift card just for giving us some important feedback to improve the station! The fun begins at 8 PM eastern after Pop Tops With Dennis. We'll hear our usual variety of different kinds of songs like we always air on the invasion, including some tunes about summer. But now on the invasion, there's a whole new way to make requests and ensure they get played. The Djd Invasion Online Request Center opens officially at 8 PM eastern. This means whether I'm on or off air, you'll be able to request a song you'd like me to play and know I'll be able to play it live or on the next week's show..Because you'll be searching my entire song library each time you want to hear a song! That's right. In addition to the usual request methods, you'll be able to fire up your browser, type in an artist you want to see what I have by said artist, or browse a set of random artists I have songs by; a list that changes each time you refresh the page! And when I'm off air, find a song you want, put in a dedication if you want, email it in, and have it read on air! Never worry about me not having a song you want, cause you'll either find it in my library or I'll get it so you can hear it! Details on how to access the new request center will be discussed on air tonight, so be sure to tune in! But there's more.... In addition to our usual variety, the new request system you can use for my shows, I'll be giving away a 20 dollar amazon or ITunes gift card to a lucky listener! We're trying to decide when a particular show should air. It's a show we're proud of here at A A, and we want you to hear it! So we need to know when you'd be most likely to hear it. It's a show featuring all A Cappella music called A Cappellas Anonymous, and you can hear what the show sounds like by downloading a past archive at http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/zqeimp Then let us know when you'd like to hear. Times being considered are: Thursday nights at 8 PM eastern Sunday afternoons from 4 to 6 PM eastern Saturday afternoons from noon to 2 PM eastern Those are just some thoughts. Got a better idea? We want to hear from you. Based on the info we receive, the time that gets the most support will be when the show airs, and one listener who went with that time will be randomly drawn to win the card! We also want to hear from you during our show. Email in at thedjdinvasion at audioaccess.fm tweet in at audioaccessfm or djdrocks Skype at audio.accessfm or call us up at 516 324 2314 Either way, between the music, requests and everything else, tonight's show will be a great way to kick off June and trek us closer to our new plan as being the station of the future. So be sure to tune in at http://www.audioaccess.fm/broadband.php Hope to see you tonight! From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Tue Jun 4 18:27:13 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:27:13 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My birthday's coming up! Message-ID: Hi Listers. My birthday is coming up, and I, like Zachary am planning on getting a Mac! I already know that I want a Macbook Pro, but I have a question. Would it be available at the Walmart, 30 miles from here, or do I have to go to the Apple store online? Thanks, Joshua From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 18:32:21 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:32:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My birthday's coming up! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1976316134192358655@unknownmsgid> They should be available at Walmart or similar store. You may be better off looking forward at the Best Buy or some other electronic store. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi Listers. > My birthday is coming up, and I, like Zachary am planning on getting a Mac! > I already know that I want a Macbook Pro, but I have a question. > Would it be available at the Walmart, 30 miles from here, or do I have to go to the Apple store online? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From kathrynwebster at me.com Tue Jun 4 18:35:38 2013 From: kathrynwebster at me.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 14:35:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My birthday's coming up! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56DE1378-1973-4DF7-9F53-812124BF3ABD@me.com> Joshua, are you a student? If so, you can purchase a MacBook Pro, 13 inch, for a discounted price of $999.99. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi Listers. > My birthday is coming up, and I, like Zachary am planning on getting a Mac! > I already know that I want a Macbook Pro, but I have a question. > Would it be available at the Walmart, 30 miles from here, or do I have to go to the Apple store online? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com From sparklylicious at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 18:37:56 2013 From: sparklylicious at gmail.com (Hannah Chadwick) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 11:37:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] My birthday's coming up! Message-ID: <51ae340c.84b4440a.683b.31b6@mx.google.com> Joshua, It would make sense that Wallmart would have these; however I cannot be 100 percent sure since I don't shop their. I would recommend calling them before hand just to check. ----- Original Message ----- From: christopher nusbaum wrote: Hi Listers. My birthday is coming up, and I, like Zachary am planning on getting a Mac! I already know that I want a Macbook Pro, but I have a question. Would it be available at the Walmart, 30 miles from here, or do I have to go to the Apple store online? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.n usbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyl icious%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Tue Jun 4 18:57:53 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:57:53 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My birthday's coming up! In-Reply-To: <56DE1378-1973-4DF7-9F53-812124BF3ABD@me.com> References: , <56DE1378-1973-4DF7-9F53-812124BF3ABD@me.com> Message-ID: Yes! I graduate in December! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kathryn Webster [kathrynwebster at me.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 1:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My birthday's coming up! Joshua, are you a student? If so, you can purchase a MacBook Pro, 13 inch, for a discounted price of $999.99. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi Listers. > My birthday is coming up, and I, like Zachary am planning on getting a Mac! > I already know that I want a Macbook Pro, but I have a question. > Would it be available at the Walmart, 30 miles from here, or do I have to go to the Apple store online? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 20:39:17 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 15:39:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My birthday's coming up! Message-ID: <51ae5081.a7e5340a.412a.ffffff4c@mx.google.com> Why do students get a discount? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi Listers. My birthday is coming up, and I, like Zachary am planning on getting a Mac! I already know that I want a Macbook Pro, but I have a question. Would it be available at the Walmart, 30 miles from here, or do I have to go to the Apple store online? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynw ebster%40me.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8 462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpea reader%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Tue Jun 4 20:56:57 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 20:56:57 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My birthday's coming up! In-Reply-To: <51ae5081.a7e5340a.412a.ffffff4c@mx.google.com> References: <51ae5081.a7e5340a.412a.ffffff4c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It's because students are their targeted buyers. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sophie Trist [sweetpeareader at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 3:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My birthday's coming up! Why do students get a discount? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi Listers. My birthday is coming up, and I, like Zachary am planning on getting a Mac! I already know that I want a Macbook Pro, but I have a question. Would it be available at the Walmart, 30 miles from here, or do I have to go to the Apple store online? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynw ebster%40me.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8 462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpea reader%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jun 4 21:04:18 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:04:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google In-Reply-To: References: <000601ce57f5$4b9ac000$e2d04000$@gmail.com><00ef01ce5800$d1c97c10$755c7430$@gmail.com><002801ce5739$361ce9e0$a256bda0$@gmail.com><19C42DC9-5608-424B-9FEC-5927B6032321@gmail.com> Message-ID: Josh, good question. what will students do who need to access the web with a notetaker? I guess we need to scream at tech manufactures to update support for browsers. I know humanware only supports an old version of internet explorer. They need to upgrade their hardware to support the modern stuff. Ashley From joshkart12 at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 21:08:21 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:08:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google In-Reply-To: References: <000601ce57f5$4b9ac000$e2d04000$@gmail.com> <00ef01ce5800$d1c97c10$755c7430$@gmail.com> <002801ce5739$361ce9e0$a256bda0$@gmail.com> <19C42DC9-5608-424B-9FEC-5927B6032321@gmail.com> Message-ID: <366E9F29-ADD1-4598-886C-F4D51D9CE0C4@gmail.com> We need to do something, and quickly at that. Perhaps start lobbying them? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2013, at 5:04 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Josh, > good question. what will students do who need to access the web with a notetaker? > I guess we need to scream at tech manufactures to update support for browsers. > I know humanware only supports an old version of internet explorer. > They need to upgrade their hardware to support the modern stuff. > > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Tue Jun 4 21:56:12 2013 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 17:56:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google In-Reply-To: <366E9F29-ADD1-4598-886C-F4D51D9CE0C4@gmail.com> References: <000601ce57f5$4b9ac000$e2d04000$@gmail.com> <00ef01ce5800$d1c97c10$755c7430$@gmail.com> <002801ce5739$361ce9e0$a256bda0$@gmail.com> <19C42DC9-5608-424B-9FEC-5927B6032321@gmail.com> <366E9F29-ADD1-4598-886C-F4D51D9CE0C4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5C303A64-C104-4C01-9819-E0F09D924FCC@gmail.com> Would a petition on a forum such as: change.org bring Attention to this issue? Keeping up with mainstream technical standards is something that many braille notetaker companies should automatically do. Sent from Anjelina's iPhone On Jun 4, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > We need to do something, and quickly at that. Perhaps start lobbying them? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 4, 2013, at 5:04 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > >> Josh, >> good question. what will students do who need to access the web with a notetaker? >> I guess we need to scream at tech manufactures to update support for browsers. >> I know humanware only supports an old version of internet explorer. >> They need to upgrade their hardware to support the modern stuff. >> >> Ashley >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 02:06:31 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 22:06:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google In-Reply-To: <5C303A64-C104-4C01-9819-E0F09D924FCC@gmail.com> References: <000601ce57f5$4b9ac000$e2d04000$@gmail.com> <00ef01ce5800$d1c97c10$755c7430$@gmail.com> <002801ce5739$361ce9e0$a256bda0$@gmail.com> <19C42DC9-5608-424B-9FEC-5927B6032321@gmail.com> <366E9F29-ADD1-4598-886C-F4D51D9CE0C4@gmail.com> <5C303A64-C104-4C01-9819-E0F09D924FCC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00bb01ce6191$4ca29a40$e5e7cec0$@gmail.com> Angelina and all, Yes, this could work. The trick is to convince members of the general public who are not in the blindness field to sign it. For people who have no personal interest in the issues facing us, the fact that Braille notetakers are not keeping up with even the least rigorous of today's technological standards will probably at first seem unimportant to them. This is a public relations hirtle that anyone who does that sort of work for NFB must jump over. But I believe it is a challenge we can overcome. Chris Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair Public Relations Committee Maryland Association of Blind Students Phone: (443) 547-2409 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 5:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] watch out! it's another ridiculous update from Google Would a petition on a forum such as: change.org bring Attention to this issue? Keeping up with mainstream technical standards is something that many braille notetaker companies should automatically do. Sent from Anjelina's iPhone On Jun 4, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > We need to do something, and quickly at that. Perhaps start lobbying them? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 4, 2013, at 5:04 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > >> Josh, >> good question. what will students do who need to access the web with a notetaker? >> I guess we need to scream at tech manufactures to update support for browsers. >> I know humanware only supports an old version of internet explorer. >> They need to upgrade their hardware to support the modern stuff. >> >> Ashley >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail. com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gm ail.com From trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 02:55:03 2013 From: trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com (Winona Brackett) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 22:55:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Computer Question Message-ID: Hello, I am using BlackBoard Collaborate with one of my online classes to view recorded lectures; but my computer won't play the recordings. When I click on the link, I'm taken to a BlackBoard Collaborate window. I click on "Open" and a Microsoft window appears. A Microsoft window should not appear; instead a separate window with the name of the session should appear. I just updated Java, restarted my computer, and it's still not working. Are any of you familiar with BlackBoard Collaborate? I'm running Windows 8 using JAWS14. Thanks for suggestions, Winona From djd76257 at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 03:16:08 2013 From: djd76257 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 23:16:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] it may bee too late but regarding convention... Message-ID: <727B874030BB47A1AE45EC62C38BFD40@WildJasmine> Hi All! It may be too late, but if there's anyone out there looking for a roommate for convention, please get in touch. Email I can best be reached at is thedjdinvasion at audioaccess.fm I want to go, but would help greatly if I could reduce the cost of the room. Thanks. From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com Wed Jun 5 04:23:14 2013 From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 00:23:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Computer Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <477793E1-439A-474D-B1A1-5E47B293C79A@aol.com> Hi Winona, I have only attempted to use blackboard collaborate once and that was with jaws 14 on a windows 7 computer. You have already tried my first suggestion by updating java. Perhaps using Firefox. Sometimes I have a problem running blackboard in IE. I could never get this feature of blackboard to work to be honest. I would enter on the tab I need and no new tabs would come up. Do you end up at the top of the page after trying to load what you need but it is the same page you were on? I hope this helps. Please let me know the outcome. I have been in contact with blackboard through the college I attend after taking inaccessible classes on line last summer. Best, Bridget Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:55 PM, Winona Brackett wrote: > Hello, > I am using BlackBoard Collaborate with one of my online classes to > view recorded lectures; but my computer won't play the recordings. > When I click on the link, I'm taken to a BlackBoard Collaborate > window. I click on "Open" and a Microsoft window appears. A Microsoft > window should not appear; instead a separate window with the name of > the session should appear. I just updated Java, restarted my computer, > and it's still not working. Are any of you familiar with BlackBoard > Collaborate? I'm running Windows 8 using JAWS14. > > Thanks for suggestions, > Winona > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 16:17:07 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:17:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] it may bee too late but regarding convention... In-Reply-To: <727B874030BB47A1AE45EC62C38BFD40@WildJasmine> References: <727B874030BB47A1AE45EC62C38BFD40@WildJasmine> Message-ID: <460E6532-692C-4C86-A4C8-B3C00285CB3B@gmail.com> Did u find one yet? I know a guy who was looking for one. I can check on that if you want me to. Let ne know. Anna Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2013, at 11:16 PM, "David Dunphy" wrote: > Hi All! > It may be too late, but if there's anyone out there looking for a roommate for convention, please get in touch. Email I can best be reached at is > thedjdinvasion at audioaccess.fm > > I want to go, but would help greatly if I could reduce the cost of the room. > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Wed Jun 5 21:53:50 2013 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:53:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} FW: June is Child Vision Awareness Month In-Reply-To: <0.1.60.E8.1CE622DD730728A.0@drone11.ral.icpbounce.com> References: <0.1.60.E8.1CE622DD730728A.0@drone11.ral.icpbounce.com> Message-ID: <008f01ce6237$2b3c79b0$81b56d10$@gmail.com> From: The Hadley School for the Blind [mailto:mailinglist at hadley.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 1:47 PM To: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Subject: June is Child Vision Awareness Month Dear Student, Did you know that June is Child Vision Awareness Month? Take this opportunity to learn new skills to help your child succeed. Check out these Family Education courses, and consider enrolling today: Low Vision and School Age Children: Designed to familiarize parents as well as schoolteachers, paraeducators or classroom aides, and medical professionals with what a student with low vision may need to be successful in school, this course offers an overview of the fundamentals of low vision in students from preschool to high school. Braille Teaching Methods for Children: Are you helping your child learn braille? For children who are blind, literacy in braille is a significant indicator for their success later in life. This course provides you with the methods and information you need to help prepare children become literate in braille. How to Be Your Child's Advocate: Navigating the education system can be overwhelming. This mini-course discusses parents' rights and the laws pertaining to special education in the United States. It presents advocacy strategies to help you ensure that your child receives a free, appropriate public education. Parenting Children with Multiple Disabilities: Are you the parent of a child with a visual impairment and one or more other disabilities? This course offers ways to promote learning at home, in school and in the community and explains how to take an active role in educational planning. Also check out these family-oriented past seminars! Topics include: Kids in the Kitchen, All About Albinism and The Braille Literacy Crisis. Have a great summer and enjoy Child Vision Awareness Month! The Hadley School for the Blind, Lifelong Learning, since 1920 700 Elm Street, Winnetka, IL 60093 800-323-4238 www.hadley.edu This message was sent to avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com from: The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 Email Marketing by iContact - Try It Free! Unsubscribe | Forward To a Friend From djd76257 at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 07:32:56 2013 From: djd76257 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 03:32:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] it may bee too late but regarding convention... In-Reply-To: <460E6532-692C-4C86-A4C8-B3C00285CB3B@gmail.com> References: <727B874030BB47A1AE45EC62C38BFD40@WildJasmine> <460E6532-692C-4C86-A4C8-B3C00285CB3B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes please do and get back to me or have him do so at thedjdinvasion at audioaccess.fm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna Givens" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] it may bee too late but regarding convention... > Did u find one yet? I know a guy who was looking for one. I can check on > that if you want me to. Let ne know. > > Anna > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 4, 2013, at 11:16 PM, "David Dunphy" wrote: > >> Hi All! >> It may be too late, but if there's anyone out there looking for a >> roommate for convention, please get in touch. Email I can best be reached >> at is >> thedjdinvasion at audioaccess.fm >> >> I want to go, but would help greatly if I could reduce the cost of the >> room. >> Thanks. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djd76257%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 13:31:23 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 06:31:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteers needed for 2013 national Association of blind students events. Message-ID: The Following comes from Cindy Bennett of the NABS Board, who is Coordinating convention logistics for our events at this year's 2013 national convention in Orlando, Florida. Should you wish to assist us, please get in touch with her directly. Hi NABS! The 2013 national convention is fast approaching, and we need your help! NABS is not the board; it is the membership. So in order to pull off events, we need the support of our membership. We have many excellent opportunities for you to volunteer. You can either assist at our exhibit hall table where you can tell passersby about how awesome NABS is as well as assist us in fundraising, or you can use your all-too-loud voice for good by martialing attendees to our NABS Social, our annual business meeting, or our lucky Monte Carlo fundraiser. You can also help us stay organized by assisting in setting up or cleaning up Monte Carlo and by selling chips, and if you can deal cards, we really need you! Below is a list of dates and times for the events in which we need help. If this year is your first convention and these events make absolutely no sense to you, sign up for something anyway! Please do your part for NABS and sign up for a shift or 2! Please email me at clb5590 at gmail.com to let me know which shifts you are interested in. Please provide a phone number that you will be reachable by during convention. Also, please pass this along to your members who are going to convention. We need their help too! Cindy July 1st, 2013 Martials needed for the NABS social from 8:45—9:30. July 2nd, 2013 Exhibit Hall 3:00—5:00 July 3rd, 2013 Exhibit Hall 3:00—5:00 Business Meeting martials needed. Report to Junior Ballroom F at 6:00 and martial until 7:00. July 4, 2013 Exhibit Hall 7:00—9:00 Monte Carlo Set-up (you will be given a location in advance) 7:00—9:30 All other volunteers report to Salons 1 and 2 Martials 7:45—9:30 Dealers 8:00—9:30 We especially need people for these shifts! 9:30—11:30 Cleanup 9:30—11:30 (will need to stay a bit after) -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students Legislative Coordinator: National Federation of the Blind of Washington B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 13:36:12 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 06:36:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The national Association of blind students presents: a math membership call. Message-ID: <4BC3923F-9AFA-41BB-89BA-005AA3071466@gmail.com> Greetings, Are you considering taking a math class next semester and apprehensive about how you will be able to keep up with your peers or unsure of what alternative techniques you will use to achieve your desired level of success? If so, please join us on June 9, for a membership call that will give you a comprehensive over view of numerous techniques that can be used to attain success in your next math class. We will have NABS Board Member, and recent recipient of a bachelor’s degree in mathematics, Justin Salisbury, and accounting major, Cody Bair, present on the call to cover such techniques as usage of braille and refreshable displays, computer with screen reader and or print magnification and readers. What: How to Earn an A in your next Math Class Conference Call When: Sunday,, June 9, 2013 6:00 P.M. E.T. Where: Conference Call: (605)475-6700, Access Code: 7869673 The NABS Membership Committee Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink From annajee82 at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 23:59:27 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 19:59:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Measuring Message-ID: Hi all, I am not sure what would be the best list to ask this question on but Im posting it on a couple of lists. I am trying to figure out a way to measure out my baby niece's liquid medication. There is a syringe with markings on it which I can see just fine. But the medication is almost transparent so it is very hard for me to tell when it reaches the appropriate markings. When Im measuring out darker liquid meds, I have no trouble seeing it. But with this clear one, I dont know what to do, other than have a sighted person do it every time (twice every day). I am going to be taking care of her while my sister goes out of town for 10 days, so I am hoping to find out a way to do this on my own. Any suggestions would be much appreciated! Thanks Anna Sent from my iPhone From annajee82 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 00:01:02 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:01:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Measuring Message-ID: Hi all, I am not sure what would be the best list to ask this question on but Im posting it on a couple of lists. I am trying to figure out a way to measure out my baby niece's liquid medication. There is a syringe with markings on it which I can see just fine. But the medication is almost transparent so it is very hard for me to tell when it reaches the appropriate markings. When Im measuring out darker liquid meds, I have no trouble seeing it. But with this clear one, I dont know what to do, other than have a sighted person do it every time (twice every day). I am going to be taking care of her while my sister goes out of town for 10 days, so I am hoping to find out a way to do this on my own. Any suggestions would be much appreciated! Thanks Sent from my iPhone From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jun 6 00:07:26 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 20:07:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Measuring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009301ce6249$d47d5000$7d77f000$@gmail.com> The diabetes list might know. It's not exactly what you are looking for, but someone on there mya know. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 8:01 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Measuring Hi all, I am not sure what would be the best list to ask this question on but Im posting it on a couple of lists. I am trying to figure out a way to measure out my baby niece's liquid medication. There is a syringe with markings on it which I can see just fine. But the medication is almost transparent so it is very hard for me to tell when it reaches the appropriate markings. When Im measuring out darker liquid meds, I have no trouble seeing it. But with this clear one, I dont know what to do, other than have a sighted person do it every time (twice every day). I am going to be taking care of her while my sister goes out of town for 10 days, so I am hoping to find out a way to do this on my own. Any suggestions would be much appreciated! Thanks Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 01:56:07 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 18:56:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] What does convention mean to you? Message-ID: Hi NABS! We are preparing our next edition of The Student Slate, and continuing with our tradition, we will again be publishing an article about the national convention. To spice it up, we thought we'd throw a question out there. In one sentence, what does convention mean to you? This can be a serious or funny answer! Don't post your answers here! Email them to me at clb5590 at gmail.com. We will choose the best ones to include in our article. Please indicate whether you would like to remain anonomous. 1, 2, 3, GO! -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students Legislative Coordinator: National Federation of the Blind of Washington B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 07:49:33 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 03:49:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Measuring In-Reply-To: <009301ce6249$d47d5000$7d77f000$@gmail.com> References: <009301ce6249$d47d5000$7d77f000$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <36FB1086-35E9-4D73-9A1B-F8DAA9689F0B@gmail.com> Thanks Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:07 PM, "justin" wrote: > The diabetes list might know. It's not exactly what you are looking for, > but someone on there mya know. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 8:01 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Measuring > > Hi all, I am not sure what would be the best list to ask this question on > but Im posting it on a couple of lists. > I am trying to figure out a way to measure out my baby niece's liquid > medication. There is a syringe with markings on it which I can see just > fine. But the medication is almost transparent so it is very hard for me to > tell when it reaches the appropriate markings. When Im measuring out darker > liquid meds, I have no trouble seeing it. But with this clear one, I dont > know what to do, other than have a sighted person do it every time (twice > every day). I am going to be taking care of her while my sister goes out of > town for 10 days, so I am hoping to find out a way to do this on my own. > Any suggestions would be much appreciated! > Thanks > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 12:21:09 2013 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 08:21:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center Message-ID: <51b1d061.24c9ec0a.5a0c.22eb@mx.google.com> Dear Nabs Members, Recently I read the articles about the three Nfb training centers that were published in the Braille Monitor. How do you prepare to attend one of these training centers? Please respond as soon as possible. From jty727 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 13:50:34 2013 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 09:50:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Where to get JAWS 13? Message-ID: Hi All! Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I can get JAWS 13? I was trying to look on the Freedom Scientific website, but I am having trouble finding JAWS 13. Thanks for the help! Justin From kobycox at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 13:51:19 2013 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:51:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center In-Reply-To: <51b1d061.24c9ec0a.5a0c.22eb@mx.google.com> References: <51b1d061.24c9ec0a.5a0c.22eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Can you email me off list so that I can help you with this? My email address Is: kobycox at gmail.com Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Dear Nabs Members, > > Recently I read the articles about the three Nfb training centers that were published in the Braille Monitor. How do you prepare to attend one of these training centers? Please respond as soon as possible. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From chelseap08 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 14:13:25 2013 From: chelseap08 at gmail.com (Chelsea Page) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 09:13:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Where to get JAWS 13? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5987D05D-CD83-4032-B1E2-71AE43F06083@gmail.com> Hi Justin, You can download it off the freedom scientific website. Feel free to email m off list. Best Chelsea Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Justin Young wrote: > Hi All! > > Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if anyone could tell me > where I can get JAWS 13? I was trying to look on the Freedom > Scientific website, but I am having trouble finding JAWS 13. Thanks > for the help! > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 14:27:26 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 09:27:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center Message-ID: <51b1edde.e732ec0a.1e00.ffff8257@mx.google.com> Koby, while I admire your urge to help, I think that this discussion should be kept on-list. Many others who haven't attended a center (like me) are probably also curious about this. Best, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Koby Cox wrote: Dear Nabs Members, Recently I read the articles about the three Nfb training centers that were published in the Braille Monitor. How do you prepare to attend one of these training centers? Please respond as soon as possible. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpea reader%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 15:52:42 2013 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 09:52:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center In-Reply-To: <51b1edde.e732ec0a.1e00.ffff8257@mx.google.com> References: <51b1edde.e732ec0a.1e00.ffff8257@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <51F3723D-C789-4747-BDB3-D2B922EC3ADA@gmail.com> Hello everybody, I am actually preparing to attend the Colorado Center for the blind starting in August! Go, Denver! :-) Here's What happens first, I talked to my vocational rehabilitation counselor about why I needed training at an NFB training center. Of course, I also talked to my parents LOL! I am actually in the midst of the next process right now, trying to get all the appropriate paperwork filled out. Then I should be set to start up there in August, and I really can't wait to return to one of my favorite destinations! I have attended both the middle school and high school programs through the Colorado Center for the blind, and would strongly recommend it! I cannot speak for the Louisiana Center for the blind or blind Inc. in Maryland, I have not had any experience with those. Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Koby, while I admire your urge to help, I think that this discussion should be kept on-list. Many others who haven't attended a center (like me) are probably also curious about this. > > Best, > Sophie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Koby Cox To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:51:19 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center > > Can you email me off list so that I can help you with this? My email address Is: > kobycox at gmail.com > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > > Dear Nabs Members, > > Recently I read the articles about the three Nfb training centers that were published in the Braille Monitor. How do you prepare to attend one of these training centers? Please respond as soon as possible. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox% > 40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpea > reader%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From dburke at cocenter.org Fri Jun 7 15:55:54 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 09:55:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center In-Reply-To: <51b1d061.24c9ec0a.5a0c.22eb@mx.google.com> References: <51b1d061.24c9ec0a.5a0c.22eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <007701ce6397$7f5520e0$7dff62a0$@cocenter.org> You should start by calling the directors of the various centers and talking with them. Links to all are on this page https://nfb.org/training-centers If you are going to Orlando there will be opportunities to meet with staff and current students of all the centers. Good luck! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Baccchus Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:21 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center Dear Nabs Members, Recently I read the articles about the three Nfb training centers that were published in the Braille Monitor. How do you prepare to attend one of these training centers? Please respond as soon as possible. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.o rg From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 14:51:30 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:51:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center In-Reply-To: <51b1d061.24c9ec0a.5a0c.22eb@mx.google.com> References: <51b1d061.24c9ec0a.5a0c.22eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-2909847519324749172@unknownmsgid> You might contact the director of the center you plan to go to and see what they recommend. While all 3 of our centers operate under the same philosophy and underlying curriculum, each one is different in some ways. I hope those on this list who have attended our centers' adult programs will be able to help you with this. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to give you reliable information on these programs, as I only have experience with the Buddy and STEP Programs at the Louisiana Center for the Blind. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Dear Nabs Members, > > Recently I read the articles about the three Nfb training centers that were published in the Braille Monitor. How do you prepare to attend one of these training centers? Please respond as soon as possible. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 14:41:17 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:41:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Where to get JAWS 13? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-7919559573784283368@unknownmsgid> There is a page on Freedom Scientific's Web site where you can get previous downloads of JAWS. Unfortunately, I do not have the direct URL to this page, but looking for "previous downloads" on the FS site should help you find what you need. Hope this helps. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Justin Young wrote: > Hi All! > > Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if anyone could tell me > where I can get JAWS 13? I was trying to look on the Freedom > Scientific website, but I am having trouble finding JAWS 13. Thanks > for the help! > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From hai at knfbreader.com Fri Jun 7 18:04:17 2013 From: hai at knfbreader.com (Hai Nguyen Ly) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:04:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Where to get JAWS 13? In-Reply-To: <-7919559573784283368@unknownmsgid> References: <-7919559573784283368@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Good afternoon Justin: You can download JAWS 13 and earlier versions of the application by navigating to the archive of JAWS For Windows page. Alternatively, copy the following URL to the clipboard and paste it in to the address bar of an internet browser. http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-previous-downloads.asp Good luck. Hai On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:41 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > There is a page on Freedom Scientific's Web site where you can get > previous downloads of JAWS. Unfortunately, I do not have the direct > URL to this page, but looking for "previous downloads" on the FS site > should help you find what you need. Hope this helps. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Justin Young wrote: > >> Hi All! >> >> Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if anyone could tell me >> where I can get JAWS 13? I was trying to look on the Freedom >> Scientific website, but I am having trouble finding JAWS 13. Thanks >> for the help! >> >> Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net From jty727 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 19:15:49 2013 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 15:15:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Where to get JAWS 13? In-Reply-To: References: <-7919559573784283368@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Thanks for all the helpful advice friends! Can one purchase JAWS 13 from this "previous JAWS version" site or are they just demo versions? Thanks so much! Justin On 6/7/13, Hai Nguyen Ly wrote: > Good afternoon Justin: > You can download JAWS 13 and earlier versions of the application by > navigating to the archive of JAWS For Windows page. Alternatively, copy the > following URL to the clipboard and paste it in to the address bar of an > internet browser. > http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-previous-downloads.asp > Good luck. > > Hai > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:41 AM, christopher nusbaum > wrote: > >> There is a page on Freedom Scientific's Web site where you can get >> previous downloads of JAWS. Unfortunately, I do not have the direct >> URL to this page, but looking for "previous downloads" on the FS site >> should help you find what you need. Hope this helps. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Justin Young wrote: >> >>> Hi All! >>> >>> Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if anyone could tell me >>> where I can get JAWS 13? I was trying to look on the Freedom >>> Scientific website, but I am having trouble finding JAWS 13. Thanks >>> for the help! >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From chelseap08 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 19:26:49 2013 From: chelseap08 at gmail.com (Chelsea Page) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:26:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Where to get JAWS 13? In-Reply-To: References: <-7919559573784283368@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <35127BBA-36DE-4D20-B774-3C9906E29E9B@gmail.com> You have to buy a license first. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Justin Young wrote: > Thanks for all the helpful advice friends! Can one purchase JAWS 13 > from this "previous JAWS version" site or are they just demo versions? > Thanks so much! > > Justin > > On 6/7/13, Hai Nguyen Ly wrote: >> Good afternoon Justin: >> You can download JAWS 13 and earlier versions of the application by >> navigating to the archive of JAWS For Windows page. Alternatively, copy the >> following URL to the clipboard and paste it in to the address bar of an >> internet browser. >> http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-previous-downloads.asp >> Good luck. >> >> Hai >> >> On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:41 AM, christopher nusbaum >> wrote: >> >>> There is a page on Freedom Scientific's Web site where you can get >>> previous downloads of JAWS. Unfortunately, I do not have the direct >>> URL to this page, but looking for "previous downloads" on the FS site >>> should help you find what you need. Hope this helps. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Justin Young wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All! >>>> >>>> Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if anyone could tell me >>>> where I can get JAWS 13? I was trying to look on the Freedom >>>> Scientific website, but I am having trouble finding JAWS 13. Thanks >>>> for the help! >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 23:09:46 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 17:09:46 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center In-Reply-To: <-2909847519324749172@unknownmsgid> References: <51b1d061.24c9ec0a.5a0c.22eb@mx.google.com> <-2909847519324749172@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Yes you should start by contacting the director(s) of the centers you are considering. Each center probably has a different way of handling applications. In the case of LCB, I contacted Pam by email and we set up a phone meeting to chat about the center. Then she also took time out of her busy convention schedule to meet me for breakfast. That was in July 2007, when I got things moving and then I started training in January 2008. So if you stay on top of things the process can move pretty quickly. You should also talk to your VR counselor, if you have one, about your interest in going to a center, but be prepared to defend your decision if it's an out-of-state center. That's why it's often helpful to talk with the center directors first so they can give you some talking points to use in your justification explaining why it is worth the extra money for VR to send you to an NFB center even if it's out-of-state. Sometimes the center directors can even intervene on your behalf by talking with folks at your VR agency or writing letters to help support your decision. Best of luck, Arielle On 6/7/13, christopher nusbaum wrote: > You might contact the director of the center you plan to go to and see > what they recommend. While all 3 of our centers operate under the same > philosophy and underlying curriculum, each one is different in some > ways. I hope those on this list who have attended our centers' adult > programs will be able to help you with this. Unfortunately, I'm not in > a position to give you reliable information on these programs, as I > only have experience with the Buddy and STEP Programs at the Louisiana > Center for the Blind. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > >> Dear Nabs Members, >> >> Recently I read the articles about the three Nfb training centers that >> were published in the Braille Monitor. How do you prepare to attend one >> of these training centers? Please respond as soon as possible. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 23:14:45 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 17:14:45 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Where to get JAWS 13? In-Reply-To: <35127BBA-36DE-4D20-B774-3C9906E29E9B@gmail.com> References: <-7919559573784283368@unknownmsgid> <35127BBA-36DE-4D20-B774-3C9906E29E9B@gmail.com> Message-ID: The only way I know of to upgrade JAWS is to call FS and ask for the sales department. You can then tell them what version you want to upgrade to. They take your credit card information over the phone and then upgrade your authorization code so it works with the new version. If you're buying JAWS for the first time, there might be an online process, but calling them should also work. Best, Arielle On 6/7/13, Chelsea Page wrote: > You have to buy a license first. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Justin Young wrote: > >> Thanks for all the helpful advice friends! Can one purchase JAWS 13 >> from this "previous JAWS version" site or are they just demo versions? >> Thanks so much! >> >> Justin >> >> On 6/7/13, Hai Nguyen Ly wrote: >>> Good afternoon Justin: >>> You can download JAWS 13 and earlier versions of the application by >>> navigating to the archive of JAWS For Windows page. Alternatively, copy >>> the >>> following URL to the clipboard and paste it in to the address bar of an >>> internet browser. >>> http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-previous-downloads.asp >>> Good luck. >>> >>> Hai >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:41 AM, christopher nusbaum >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> There is a page on Freedom Scientific's Web site where you can get >>>> previous downloads of JAWS. Unfortunately, I do not have the direct >>>> URL to this page, but looking for "previous downloads" on the FS site >>>> should help you find what you need. Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Justin Young wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All! >>>>> >>>>> Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if anyone could tell me >>>>> where I can get JAWS 13? I was trying to look on the Freedom >>>>> Scientific website, but I am having trouble finding JAWS 13. Thanks >>>>> for the help! >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jty727 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 23:20:03 2013 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 19:20:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Where to get JAWS 13? In-Reply-To: References: <-7919559573784283368@unknownmsgid> <35127BBA-36DE-4D20-B774-3C9906E29E9B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the suggestions! On 6/7/13, Arielle Silverman wrote: > The only way I know of to upgrade JAWS is to call FS and ask for the > sales department. You can then tell them what version you want to > upgrade to. They take your credit card information over the phone and > then upgrade your authorization code so it works with the new version. > If you're buying JAWS for the first time, there might be an online > process, but calling them should also work. > > Best, > Arielle > > On 6/7/13, Chelsea Page wrote: >> You have to buy a license first. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Justin Young wrote: >> >>> Thanks for all the helpful advice friends! Can one purchase JAWS 13 >>> from this "previous JAWS version" site or are they just demo versions? >>> Thanks so much! >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> On 6/7/13, Hai Nguyen Ly wrote: >>>> Good afternoon Justin: >>>> You can download JAWS 13 and earlier versions of the application by >>>> navigating to the archive of JAWS For Windows page. Alternatively, copy >>>> the >>>> following URL to the clipboard and paste it in to the address bar of an >>>> internet browser. >>>> http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-previous-downloads.asp >>>> Good luck. >>>> >>>> Hai >>>> >>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:41 AM, christopher nusbaum >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> There is a page on Freedom Scientific's Web site where you can get >>>>> previous downloads of JAWS. Unfortunately, I do not have the direct >>>>> URL to this page, but looking for "previous downloads" on the FS site >>>>> should help you find what you need. Hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Justin Young wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All! >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if anyone could tell me >>>>>> where I can get JAWS 13? I was trying to look on the Freedom >>>>>> Scientific website, but I am having trouble finding JAWS 13. Thanks >>>>>> for the help! >>>>>> >>>>>> Justin >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 23:43:46 2013 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 19:43:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... Message-ID: Hi Everyone: I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to keep this very general and just ask my questions. Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? How did you pick your major? If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out what you were passionate about/wanted to do? How did you find internal motivation? How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? What jobs can blind people do without a degree? What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves until they find direction? I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply now in the situation I am in because those goals were training specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or knew what I needed to work on in each class. I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and telling me what to do. My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing after training or am I the only one? How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and what you wanted to do? The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather than sitting around. But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at least have a plan. Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! Kerri From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Jun 7 23:49:24 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 23:49:24 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Kerri! How good are you at the slate and stylus? If you are good at it, you could use it to take the orders at the Duncan Doughnuts. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kerri Kosten [kerrik2006 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Ed McDonald; karen; Anjelina Cruz; Kea.anderson at gmail.com; dsmithnfb at gmail.com; Arielle Silverman Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... Hi Everyone: I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to keep this very general and just ask my questions. Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? How did you pick your major? If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out what you were passionate about/wanted to do? How did you find internal motivation? How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? What jobs can blind people do without a degree? What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves until they find direction? I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply now in the situation I am in because those goals were training specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or knew what I needed to work on in each class. I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and telling me what to do. My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing after training or am I the only one? How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and what you wanted to do? The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather than sitting around. But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at least have a plan. Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! Kerri _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 23:52:59 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 18:52:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Where to get JAWS 13? In-Reply-To: References: <-7919559573784283368@unknownmsgid> <35127BBA-36DE-4D20-B774-3C9906E29E9B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-1143537638605811930@unknownmsgid> I believe there is. You might look at freedomscientific.com or fsactivate.com. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > The only way I know of to upgrade JAWS is to call FS and ask for the > sales department. You can then tell them what version you want to > upgrade to. They take your credit card information over the phone and > then upgrade your authorization code so it works with the new version. > If you're buying JAWS for the first time, there might be an online > process, but calling them should also work. > > Best, > Arielle > > On 6/7/13, Chelsea Page wrote: >> You have to buy a license first. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Justin Young wrote: >> >>> Thanks for all the helpful advice friends! Can one purchase JAWS 13 >>> from this "previous JAWS version" site or are they just demo versions? >>> Thanks so much! >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> On 6/7/13, Hai Nguyen Ly wrote: >>>> Good afternoon Justin: >>>> You can download JAWS 13 and earlier versions of the application by >>>> navigating to the archive of JAWS For Windows page. Alternatively, copy >>>> the >>>> following URL to the clipboard and paste it in to the address bar of an >>>> internet browser. >>>> http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-previous-downloads.asp >>>> Good luck. >>>> >>>> Hai >>>> >>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:41 AM, christopher nusbaum >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> There is a page on Freedom Scientific's Web site where you can get >>>>> previous downloads of JAWS. Unfortunately, I do not have the direct >>>>> URL to this page, but looking for "previous downloads" on the FS site >>>>> should help you find what you need. Hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Justin Young wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi All! >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if anyone could tell me >>>>>> where I can get JAWS 13? I was trying to look on the Freedom >>>>>> Scientific website, but I am having trouble finding JAWS 13. Thanks >>>>>> for the help! >>>>>> >>>>>> Justin >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelseap08%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From brookenicholeanderson at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 01:08:19 2013 From: brookenicholeanderson at gmail.com (brooke anderson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 20:08:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to work at the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not be something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind that you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will think that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you can. do not give up. Nichole. send from my galaxy note ii On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to > keep this very general and just ask my questions. > Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? > How did you pick your major? > If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out > what you were passionate about/wanted to do? > How did you find internal motivation? > How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? > What jobs can blind people do without a degree? > What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves > until they find direction? > I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did > really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply > now in the situation I am in because those goals were training > specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a > routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or > knew what I needed to work on in each class. > I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and > don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and > telling me what to do. > My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really > respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as > hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just > left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find > motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. > Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing > after training or am I the only one? > How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and > what you wanted to do? > The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I > really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have > a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think > that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am > motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather > than sitting around. > But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin > Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? > I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at > least have a plan. > Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholeanderson%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 01:11:23 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 20:11:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center In-Reply-To: <51F3723D-C789-4747-BDB3-D2B922EC3ADA@gmail.com> References: <51b1edde.e732ec0a.1e00.ffff8257@mx.google.com> <51F3723D-C789-4747-BDB3-D2B922EC3ADA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-5204814487866836668@unknownmsgid> FYI, Blind, Inc. is in Minnesota. The training center in Maryland is Blind Industries and Services of Maryland (BISM.) Please don't get the 3 NFB training centers and BISM confused—they are very different. I will not go into details here, but you can read my article in the June Braille Monitor if you would like more information on the differences. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:53 AM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" wrote: > Hello everybody, I am actually preparing to attend the Colorado Center for the blind starting in August! Go, Denver! :-) Here's What happens first, I talked to my vocational rehabilitation counselor about why I needed training at an NFB training center. Of course, I also talked to my parents LOL! I am actually in the midst of the next process right now, trying to get all the appropriate paperwork filled out. Then I should be set to start up there in August, and I really can't wait to return to one of my favorite destinations! I have attended both the middle school and high school programs through the Colorado Center for the blind, and would strongly recommend it! I cannot speak for the Louisiana Center for the blind or blind Inc. in Maryland, I have not had any experience with those. > > Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Sophie Trist wrote: > >> Koby, while I admire your urge to help, I think that this discussion should be kept on-list. Many others who haven't attended a center (like me) are probably also curious about this. >> >> Best, >> Sophie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Koby Cox > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:51:19 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center >> >> Can you email me off list so that I can help you with this? My email address Is: >> kobycox at gmail.com >> Koby >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: >> >> Dear Nabs Members, >> >> Recently I read the articles about the three Nfb training centers that were published in the Braille Monitor. How do you prepare to attend one of these training centers? Please respond as soon as possible. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox% >> 40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpea >> reader%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Sat Jun 8 01:58:03 2013 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:58:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301ce63eb$9db740a0$d925c1e0$@net> Hi Kerri, I'm going to attempt to answer your questions. I don't know everything, but hopefully some of this will help. Anyone feel free to correct information/add something I may have missed. Generally, a career is picked based on what you have a passion for or like doing. It is also based on what major in college you had, if you went to college, but I think the process is different for each person. Personally, what I want to do is based on what I had a passion for. I'd give the same advice for chosing a major; think about what you like to do and what you could possibly see yourself doing in life. Maybe try looking on a colleges website and look at the list of majors and for each one think "could I see myself doing that or a related field in my life?" Also, many colleges have "undecided" options, where you start by taking "general" classes that go towards any degree. You go through these classes in hopes that you'll decide or learn something in one of these classes that will trigger the want to major in that. For example, if you took a marketing class and found a love of it, you could possibly consider majoring in marketing. There's personally no way, in my opinion, to "find" your passion or want, it comes to you. Confidence also grows over time as well, along with internal motivation. You could talk to people from the center about what to do, as well as your state counselor. Both parties have probably delt with people in a similar position. They also may have more guidance for you on your other questions. I am not exactly sure what jobs can be done with or without a degree; you'd have to probably ask your state counselor or someone else about that. What did you like doing in training? That could lead to a job choice. What were you doing before you entered training? There are most likely other jobs you can do at Duncan doughnuts besides taking orders. I'd look at their website or maybe call their manager for ideas. I hope this helps, and if you have any other questions, let me know. Lillie -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Kosten Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 7:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Ed McDonald; karen; Anjelina Cruz; Kea.anderson at gmail.com; dsmithnfb at gmail.com; Arielle Silverman Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... Hi Everyone: I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to keep this very general and just ask my questions. Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? How did you pick your major? If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out what you were passionate about/wanted to do? How did you find internal motivation? How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? What jobs can blind people do without a degree? What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves until they find direction? I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply now in the situation I am in because those goals were training specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or knew what I needed to work on in each class. I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and telling me what to do. My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing after training or am I the only one? How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and what you wanted to do? The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather than sitting around. But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at least have a plan. Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! Kerri _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40 fuse.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 02:19:36 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 20:19:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kerri, I think this is an excellent question. I would bet that virtually all blind people and virtually all sighted people have struggled with this issue. I have sighted research assistants who have graduated college and are unsure what to do afterward. Even my father, who was a successful doctor for twenty years, has struggled with career change decisions and made a substantial switch in his job in his mid-fifties. There are a multitude of careers and jobs out there, and it is hard to choose what you want to do and how that lines up with the jobs that are actually out there. I think this is a common issue that has little to do with blindness or being in training. However, I think there is a huge amount of pressure placed on blind people to pick a career path as soon as they graduate high school and to stick with that path forever. In my opinion this expectation is unrealistic and puts too much pressure on young people without motivating them. I have heard that the average person switches jobs every three to five years. Plenty of folks get a degree, work in one career for a while, then decide to re-train and do something else. There is nothing wrong with that. The suggestion I give most people is to just pick something you like, either a job opportunity that comes up or a college major, and just stay with it for as long as you like, knowing that you can always change your mind and do something else later. You can tell voc rehab that it is your career plan, and if you change your mind later, so be it. I also think that finding good mentors in whatever job or college major you pick is really important for staying motivated. I had mentors in college who gave me clear and supportive guidance about what direction to go into, and now my mentors in grad school are giving me the motivation I need to keep going toward my degree (which I still don't quite know what I'm doing afterward). It sounds like you had excellent mentors in training and you can find good mentors in work and school settings as well. In order to find them, though, you will need to take a step out and pick something to do, either a job or a degree. There are plenty of professional folks who want to take on young people as mentees, in the work world as well as in the NFB. I believe there are several jobs a blind person could do with just a high school degree, but getting a college degree will greatly increase your options. If VR is supporting you, there is little cost in going to college and getting a degree. While the degree will help you, the mentoring connections you could make in college, through classes and extracurricular activities, is equally if not more helpful Best, Arielle On 6/7/13, brooke anderson wrote: > My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to work at > the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not be > something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind that > you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will think > that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you can. do > not give up. > Nichole. > > send from my galaxy note ii > On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: > >> Hi Everyone: >> >> I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to >> keep this very general and just ask my questions. >> Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? >> How did you pick your major? >> If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out >> what you were passionate about/wanted to do? >> How did you find internal motivation? >> How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? >> What jobs can blind people do without a degree? >> What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves >> until they find direction? >> I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did >> really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply >> now in the situation I am in because those goals were training >> specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a >> routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or >> knew what I needed to work on in each class. >> I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and >> don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and >> telling me what to do. >> My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really >> respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as >> hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just >> left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find >> motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. >> Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing >> after training or am I the only one? >> How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and >> what you wanted to do? >> The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I >> really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have >> a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think >> that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am >> motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather >> than sitting around. >> But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin >> Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? >> I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at >> least have a plan. >> Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholeanderson%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 02:32:26 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 22:32:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: <000301ce63eb$9db740a0$d925c1e0$@net> References: <000301ce63eb$9db740a0$d925c1e0$@net> Message-ID: Hi Kerri, Lillie and others have made some excellent points thus far. Here's what I have to add. Again, anyone else feel free to correct/add to this. Each person is different, but for me I found what I wanted to do and my major in college by trying out a few different fields early on. I did some volunteering under music therapists, (which eventually led me to choose music therapy as a major and vocation), but I also tried out a college prep teaching program to explore teaching as a career. I also chose courses that interested me, E.G. I took a psychology course because I also considered going into psychology. Eventually, when I had to make the decision between a bunch of linked fields, Middle-Childhood English Education, special education, Psychology, music education, and music therapy, it came down to what I liked most and the academic subjects that suited me the best. The best way to do it if you can is to take the opportunities you have to take courses and turn them into career exploration exercises. If that isn't an option because you're out of high school already, there are other options available. If you think you have a field you might want to check out you could try taking an intro course to that field. In order to cut down on expense you could try taking this course at a community college or tech school if you don't want to jump into a university right away. As Lillie suggested, you could also try entering school as undecided and then take the general courses required to graduate while you do some career searching and figure out what you might want to do. Then you'd just have to finish your degree requirements and take the courses specific to your major once your gen-eds are out of the way. But most importantly, give some serious thought to two things; what do you like to do, and what are you good at? Are you a good writer? Do you like to research? Do you have good people skills? Do you like/are savvy with computers? These kinds of questions would be good ways to help you figure out what possible vocations might be. I would also talk to other blind adults who might be able to provide insight from their own experiences with choosing careers. A lot of them in the federation I've talked to have even held several different jobs in adulthood, and even gone back to school and totally switched jobs later in life. They would be great resources for this sort of thing. Most importantly, remember that although this is an important decision, and it is intimidating for everyone who makes it, it isn't necessarily final. It's great to have a plan, but even the best plans can change along with interests and other such factors. Take the suggestions of others on this thread, take some time to think, and don't get too freaked out would be my advice. It's a big decision, but you'll get it and have plenty of people to help you out. Feel free to write me off list if you have any questions. On 6/7/13, Lillie Pennington wrote: > Hi Kerri, > I'm going to attempt to answer your questions. I don't know everything, but > hopefully some of this will help. Anyone feel free to correct > information/add something I may have missed. > > Generally, a career is picked based on what you have a passion for or like > doing. It is also based on what major in college you had, if you went to > college, but I think the process is different for each person. Personally, > what I want to do is based on what I had a passion for. > > I'd give the same advice for chosing a major; think about what you like to > do and what you could possibly see yourself doing in life. Maybe try > looking > on a colleges website and look at the list of majors and for each one think > "could I see myself doing that or a related field in my life?" > Also, many colleges have "undecided" options, where you start by taking > "general" classes that go towards any degree. You go through these classes > in hopes that you'll decide or learn something in one of these classes that > will trigger the want to major in that. For example, if you took a > marketing > class and found a love of it, you could possibly consider majoring in > marketing. > > There's personally no way, in my opinion, to "find" your passion or want, > it > comes to you. Confidence also grows over time as well, along with internal > motivation. > > You could talk to people from the center about what to do, as well as your > state counselor. Both parties have probably delt with people in a similar > position. They also may have more guidance for you on your other questions. > > > I am not exactly sure what jobs can be done with or without a degree; you'd > have to probably ask your state counselor or someone else about that. > > What did you like doing in training? That could lead to a job choice. What > were you doing before you entered training? > There are most likely other jobs you can do at Duncan doughnuts besides > taking orders. I'd look at their website or maybe call their manager for > ideas. > > I hope this helps, and if you have any other questions, let me know. > > Lillie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Kosten > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 7:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Ed McDonald; > karen; > Anjelina Cruz; Kea.anderson at gmail.com; dsmithnfb at gmail.com; Arielle > Silverman > Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... > > Hi Everyone: > > I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to keep > this very general and just ask my questions. > Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? > How did you pick your major? > If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out what > you were passionate about/wanted to do? > How did you find internal motivation? > How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? > What jobs can blind people do without a degree? > What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves until > they find direction? > I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did really > well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply now in the > situation I am in because those goals were training specific. I think I > also > did really well in training because it was a routine and I got used to it. > I > was also always told what to do, or knew what I needed to work on in each > class. > I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and don't > have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and telling me > what to do. > My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really respect/admire > someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as hard as I can and > make sure to do everything they say. But, when just left to myself, on my > own, I really really struggle to find motivation, make decisions about > things, and find direction. > Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing after > training or am I the only one? > How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and what > you > wanted to do? > The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I really > respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have a plan for > him when I return his call. I at least want him to think that after > spending > so much money to send me to training, I am motivated and am doing things > and > taking some sort of action rather than sitting around. > But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin Donuts > just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? > I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at least > have a plan. > Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40 > fuse.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From lilliepennington at fuse.net Sat Jun 8 02:37:16 2013 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 22:37:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80A4A7FD-C5E1-4E0D-963D-4EC98FA0CE11@fuse.net> The nfb also has some career pages, with success stories of blind people. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:19 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Kerri, > > I think this is an excellent question. I would bet that virtually all > blind people and virtually all sighted people have struggled with this > issue. I have sighted research assistants who have graduated college > and are unsure what to do afterward. Even my father, who was a > successful doctor for twenty years, has struggled with career change > decisions and made a substantial switch in his job in his mid-fifties. > There are a multitude of careers and jobs out there, and it is hard to > choose what you want to do and how that lines up with the jobs that > are actually out there. > I think this is a common issue that has little to do with blindness or > being in training. However, I think there is a huge amount of pressure > placed on blind people to pick a career path as soon as they graduate > high school and to stick with that path forever. In my opinion this > expectation is unrealistic and puts too much pressure on young people > without motivating them. I have heard that the average person switches > jobs every three to five years. Plenty of folks get a degree, work in > one career for a while, then decide to re-train and do something else. > There is nothing wrong with that. > The suggestion I give most people is to just pick something you like, > either a job opportunity that comes up or a college major, and just > stay with it for as long as you like, knowing that you can always > change your mind and do something else later. You can tell voc rehab > that it is your career plan, and if you change your mind later, so be > it. > I also think that finding good mentors in whatever job or college > major you pick is really important for staying motivated. I had > mentors in college who gave me clear and supportive guidance about > what direction to go into, and now my mentors in grad school are > giving me the motivation I need to keep going toward my degree (which > I still don't quite know what I'm doing afterward). It sounds like you > had excellent mentors in training and you can find good mentors in > work and school settings as well. In order to find them, though, you > will need to take a step out and pick something to do, either a job or > a degree. There are plenty of professional folks who want to take on > young people as mentees, in the work world as well as in the NFB. > I believe there are several jobs a blind person could do with just a > high school degree, but getting a college degree will greatly increase > your options. If VR is supporting you, there is little cost in going > to college and getting a degree. While the degree will help you, the > mentoring connections you could make in college, through classes and > extracurricular activities, is equally if not more helpful > > Best, > Arielle > > On 6/7/13, brooke anderson wrote: >> My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to work at >> the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not be >> something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind that >> you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will think >> that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you can. do >> not give up. >> Nichole. >> >> send from my galaxy note ii >> On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone: >>> >>> I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to >>> keep this very general and just ask my questions. >>> Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? >>> How did you pick your major? >>> If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out >>> what you were passionate about/wanted to do? >>> How did you find internal motivation? >>> How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? >>> What jobs can blind people do without a degree? >>> What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves >>> until they find direction? >>> I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did >>> really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply >>> now in the situation I am in because those goals were training >>> specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a >>> routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or >>> knew what I needed to work on in each class. >>> I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and >>> don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and >>> telling me what to do. >>> My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really >>> respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as >>> hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just >>> left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find >>> motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. >>> Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing >>> after training or am I the only one? >>> How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and >>> what you wanted to do? >>> The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I >>> really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have >>> a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think >>> that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am >>> motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather >>> than sitting around. >>> But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin >>> Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? >>> I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at >>> least have a plan. >>> Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! >>> Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholeanderson%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From louvins at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 02:54:25 2013 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:54:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: <000301ce63eb$9db740a0$d925c1e0$@net> Message-ID: Hello Kerri. I really like all the suggestions others have already stated. Here are my thoughts. Kerri, like others have already said, think about what things you like to do. What are your strengths. For me, I am almost done with my associates degree at a local comunity college. I know I am good with computers, and have done a few online presentations on various programs. Since I enjoy using and learning about different assistive technology, I'd like to become an assistive tech teacher. If you do go to a comunity, taking General education classes is ok. The nice thing about doing this, is once you've taken your required classes, you can take electives which are classes you want to take based on whatever your interests are. I am also good at guitar playing, and I have an ear for music. So, I took a class which was music for elementary teachers. I received an A, a 98% in the class, because I could already play the acoustic guitar. Even though, I'm going to college to become an assistive technology teacher, I'm not going to forget about my love of listening to, and playing music. Talk to your VR counselor and voice your concerns to him, I'm glad you respect him, but he shouldn't mind, if you're unsure of what to do, now that you've had some training. Remember, asking about things you're not sure of isn't a weaknes, but a strength. Also, advocate for yourself, if you want things done, make the calls, get sighted help when you need it. An example, for my online class I'm going to take in the fall, I knew I needed to find out how much the class was going to cost. I know I could have had my dad look up the info online, but I called the college, and got in touch with the proper people who handle payments for classes and that kind of thing. I know taking an online class for me will be different, as I've never taken one before, but, I'm going to do it, and if I need help, I'll ask for it. I know, it can be hard, I didn't ask for help when I first began college, but now, it has gotten easier. Good luck Kerri, I know you can do anything you put your mind to. On 6/7/13, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi Kerri, > > Lillie and others have made some excellent points thus far. Here's > what I have to add. Again, anyone else feel free to correct/add to > this. > > Each person is different, but for me I found what I wanted to do and > my major in college by trying out a few different fields early on. I > did some volunteering under music therapists, (which eventually led me > to choose music therapy as a major and vocation), but I also tried out > a college prep teaching program to explore teaching as a career. I > also chose courses that interested me, E.G. I took a psychology course > because I also considered going into psychology. Eventually, when I > had to make the decision between a bunch of linked fields, > Middle-Childhood English Education, special education, Psychology, > music education, and music therapy, it came down to what I liked most > and the academic subjects that suited me the best. The best way to do > it if you can is to take the opportunities you have to take courses > and turn them into career exploration exercises. > > If that isn't an option because you're out of high school already, > there are other options available. If you think you have a field you > might want to check out you could try taking an intro course to that > field. In order to cut down on expense you could try taking this > course at a community college or tech school if you don't want to jump > into a university right away. As Lillie suggested, you could also try > entering school as undecided and then take the general courses > required to graduate while you do some career searching and figure out > what you might want to do. Then you'd just have to finish your degree > requirements and take the courses specific to your major once your > gen-eds are out of the way. > > But most importantly, give some serious thought to two things; what do > you like to do, and what are you good at? Are you a good writer? Do > you like to research? Do you have good people skills? Do you > like/are savvy with computers? These kinds of questions would be good > ways to help you figure out what possible vocations might be. > > I would also talk to other blind adults who might be able to provide > insight from their own experiences with choosing careers. A lot of > them in the federation I've talked to have even held several different > jobs in adulthood, and even gone back to school and totally switched > jobs later in life. They would be great resources for this sort of > thing. > > Most importantly, remember that although this is an important > decision, and it is intimidating for everyone who makes it, it isn't > necessarily final. It's great to have a plan, but even the best plans > can change along with interests and other such factors. Take the > suggestions of others on this thread, take some time to think, and > don't get too freaked out would be my advice. It's a big decision, > but you'll get it and have plenty of people to help you out. > > Feel free to write me off list if you have any questions. > > On 6/7/13, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> Hi Kerri, >> I'm going to attempt to answer your questions. I don't know everything, >> but >> hopefully some of this will help. Anyone feel free to correct >> information/add something I may have missed. >> >> Generally, a career is picked based on what you have a passion for or >> like >> doing. It is also based on what major in college you had, if you went to >> college, but I think the process is different for each person. >> Personally, >> what I want to do is based on what I had a passion for. >> >> I'd give the same advice for chosing a major; think about what you like >> to >> do and what you could possibly see yourself doing in life. Maybe try >> looking >> on a colleges website and look at the list of majors and for each one >> think >> "could I see myself doing that or a related field in my life?" >> Also, many colleges have "undecided" options, where you start by taking >> "general" classes that go towards any degree. You go through these >> classes >> in hopes that you'll decide or learn something in one of these classes >> that >> will trigger the want to major in that. For example, if you took a >> marketing >> class and found a love of it, you could possibly consider majoring in >> marketing. >> >> There's personally no way, in my opinion, to "find" your passion or want, >> it >> comes to you. Confidence also grows over time as well, along with >> internal >> motivation. >> >> You could talk to people from the center about what to do, as well as >> your >> state counselor. Both parties have probably delt with people in a similar >> position. They also may have more guidance for you on your other >> questions. >> >> >> I am not exactly sure what jobs can be done with or without a degree; >> you'd >> have to probably ask your state counselor or someone else about that. >> >> What did you like doing in training? That could lead to a job choice. >> What >> were you doing before you entered training? >> There are most likely other jobs you can do at Duncan doughnuts besides >> taking orders. I'd look at their website or maybe call their manager for >> ideas. >> >> I hope this helps, and if you have any other questions, let me know. >> >> Lillie >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Kosten >> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 7:44 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Ed McDonald; >> karen; >> Anjelina Cruz; Kea.anderson at gmail.com; dsmithnfb at gmail.com; Arielle >> Silverman >> Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... >> >> Hi Everyone: >> >> I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to >> keep >> this very general and just ask my questions. >> Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? >> How did you pick your major? >> If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out what >> you were passionate about/wanted to do? >> How did you find internal motivation? >> How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? >> What jobs can blind people do without a degree? >> What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves >> until >> they find direction? >> I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did >> really >> well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply now in the >> situation I am in because those goals were training specific. I think I >> also >> did really well in training because it was a routine and I got used to >> it. >> I >> was also always told what to do, or knew what I needed to work on in each >> class. >> I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and >> don't >> have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and telling me >> what to do. >> My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really >> respect/admire >> someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as hard as I can and >> make sure to do everything they say. But, when just left to myself, on my >> own, I really really struggle to find motivation, make decisions about >> things, and find direction. >> Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing after >> training or am I the only one? >> How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and what >> you >> wanted to do? >> The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I really >> respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have a plan >> for >> him when I return his call. I at least want him to think that after >> spending >> so much money to send me to training, I am motivated and am doing things >> and >> taking some sort of action rather than sitting around. >> But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin Donuts >> just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? >> I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at least >> have a plan. >> Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40 >> fuse.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > -- Joshua T Hendrickson From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sat Jun 8 03:11:36 2013 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 22:11:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If it's any consolation, those of us who have some sense of direction come across the same after training issues. I don't think it's necessarily a matter of not being able to direct oneself, I think it has more to do with the difference in energy level between the center and your home environment. The center environment is constantly busy. There is no such thing as free time, even when you're outside of class. There are people to see, activities to engage in, errands to run, extracurricular classes to attend, all kinds of things. At home, things tend to slip back into a comfortable routine. For many of us, we have to literally train our families from the ground up. That actually takes a considerable amount of energy! For some of us, training shows us just how many options we have! For any person, whether they be blind or cited, whether they feel like they have some direction or not, the options alone can move us to inaction for fear of wanting to choose the best option. So the first step is to not be so hard on yourself. You had and have a lot of things going on right now. So once you feel like you have cooled your heels a bit, There are some things you can do to bring up the energy level. Since you are thinking about college and work the first step is to talk with your rehabilitation counselor. Your rehab counselor can do a number of things. You might think about taking a vocational evaluation. A vocational evaluation will clarify your skills, your abilities, your strengths, and your areas for growth. Also consider taking a career inventory. I highly recommend the self-directed search as it is the only instrument that has been validated for people with disabilities. This particular instrument was Validated by including persons with disabilities in the design of the inventory. So, it's not like a special inventory just for people with disabilities. This is good because there are no funky attitudes influencing it. And inventory like this can provide you a list of careers to consider. This list is based on a profile of interests, abilities, and past experiences. From there, you can interview professionals already in these careers. You might even think about setting up job shadows. When you interview these professionals, ask for a realistic job preview. This is a truthful sketch of the positives and negatives about this career option. Once you've done some interviews and job shadows, think about what you have learned and decide whether or not you would be interested in a subset of your listed careers. Once that's done, find out what sort of education and training is required for success in these careers. This will determine whether or not you need to go to college or trade school. It might also give you a sense of whether or not you would be able and willing to jump through the hoops to get to that career. It would also give you a timeframe. For some people, the timeframe is extremely important. After or while engaging in the process above, consider doing some paid or volunteer jobs this summer. Start by asking people you know. I have found less negativity about blindness from people I know then from total strangers. This is not a shoe in, but it's a pretty good bet. You may even have to think about developing your own job. I talked older Blind people how to use their computers. I also did a lot of diversity awareness trainings for folks. These jobs came about through my own creation because I was sick of hearing the word no. I didn't make a lot of money doing these jobs, but I did get some valuable experience. The money I did earn was helpful. Also, the federation has very is programs that need mentors. Think about signing up as a mentor for one of these programs now that you have finished training. This is another excellent volunteer experience. As someone who mentored at youth slam twice, I found the program not only helpful for the teens, but for me as well. I was also exposed to ideas and activities I have never been able to do before. Although I became a mobility instructor in the end, youth slam invigorated my love for science. Especially astronomy. That ought to get you started. Just remember that you are not alone in this sense of listlessness. A lot of young people who are sighted go through the same thing after they finish school. And just so you will know, I used Siri to scribble this message because I'm too lazy to do otherwise right now. So please forgive me in advance for any funky errors as a result. Thanks. Respectfully, Jedi Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to > keep this very general and just ask my questions. > Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? > How did you pick your major? > If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out > what you were passionate about/wanted to do? > How did you find internal motivation? > How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? > What jobs can blind people do without a degree? > What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves > until they find direction? > I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did > really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply > now in the situation I am in because those goals were training > specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a > routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or > knew what I needed to work on in each class. > I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and > don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and > telling me what to do. > My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really > respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as > hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just > left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find > motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. > Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing > after training or am I the only one? > How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and > what you wanted to do? > The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I > really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have > a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think > that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am > motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather > than sitting around. > But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin > Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? > I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at > least have a plan. > Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 03:37:47 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 22:37:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... Message-ID: <51b2a71c.06b9ec0a.7895.ffffc28d@mx.google.com> I agree with everything everyone has said. I am fortunate that I have never wondered about my passion or my talent. I've been writing stories ever since I can remember, so I know I want some kind of career with writing. You should try different things and see what you like. I'm just going to give you my thoughts on internal motivation. Self motivation has to spring from desire. >From an early age, I saw that blind people were not always treated equally by the sighted world, and I told myself that I was going to be independent and successful despite my blindness. My motivation sprang from that desire and also from my competitive nature. What I'm saying is, you have to want it. It's not going to come to you. I wish you the best of luck in your training and career. Best, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jedi Moerke From there, you can interview professionals already in these careers. You might even think about setting up job shadows. When you interview these professionals, ask for a realistic job preview. This is a truthful sketch of the positives and negatives about this career option. Once you've done some interviews and job shadows, think about what you have learned and decide whether or not you would be interested in a subset of your listed careers. Once that's done, find out what sort of education and training is required for success in these careers. This will determine whether or not you need to go to college or trade school. It might also give you a sense of whether or not you would be able and willing to jump through the hoops to get to that career. It would also give you a timeframe. For some people, the timeframe is extremely important. After or while engaging in the process above, consider doing some paid or volunteer jobs this summer. Start by asking people you know. I have found less negativity about blindness from people I know then from total strangers. This is not a shoe in, but it's a pretty good bet. You may even have to think about developing your own job. I talked older Blind people how to use their computers. I also did a lot of diversity awareness trainings for folks. These jobs came about through my own creation because I was sick of hearing the word no. I didn't make a lot of money doing these jobs, but I did get some valuable experience. The money I did earn was helpful. Also, the federation has very is programs that need mentors. Think about signing up as a mentor for one of these programs now that you have finished training. This is another excellent volunteer experience. As someone who mentored at youth slam twice, I found the program not only helpful for the teens, but for me as well. I was also exposed to ideas and activities I have never been able to do before. Although I became a mobility instructor in the end, youth slam invigorated my love for science. Especially astronomy. That ought to get you started. Just remember that you are not alone in this sense of listlessness. A lot of young people who are sighted go through the same thing after they finish school. And just so you will know, I used Siri to scribble this message because I'm too lazy to do otherwise right now. So please forgive me in advance for any funky errors as a result. Thanks. Respectfully, Jedi Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: Hi Everyone: I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to keep this very general and just ask my questions. Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? How did you pick your major? If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out what you were passionate about/wanted to do? How did you find internal motivation? How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? What jobs can blind people do without a degree? What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves until they find direction? I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply now in the situation I am in because those goals were training specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or knew what I needed to work on in each class. I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and telling me what to do. My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing after training or am I the only one? How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and what you wanted to do? The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather than sitting around. But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at least have a plan. Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! Kerri _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin djedi%40samobile.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpea reader%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 13:31:51 2013 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Ashlee g) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 09:31:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS Message-ID: hi everyone. i graduate from my ASL 2 this tuesday night! I graduated from ASL 1! I have more classes to go, and I will take them. But I so proud of me! They have a person who sits with me and signs in my hands. THy have tactile letters, andd for me, large print pictures! THey are use to deaf blind. and they are great with autistic people. I hear in 1 ear, so that is part of my problem with with communication. But my teachers are use to blind people. she is great! anyone who lives in baltimore, and wants to take ASL, please email me off list. AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 14:06:03 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:06:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a601ce6388$25ff1820$71fd4860$@gmail.com> Congradulations. Outstanding. Great job. What is ASL? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashlee g Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:32 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS hi everyone. i graduate from my ASL 2 this tuesday night! I graduated from ASL 1! I have more classes to go, and I will take them. But I so proud of me! They have a person who sits with me and signs in my hands. THy have tactile letters, andd for me, large print pictures! THey are use to deaf blind. and they are great with autistic people. I hear in 1 ear, so that is part of my problem with with communication. But my teachers are use to blind people. she is great! anyone who lives in baltimore, and wants to take ASL, please email me off list. AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From jeffc4 at lavabit.com Sat Jun 8 14:26:52 2013 From: jeffc4 at lavabit.com (Jeff Crouch) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 10:26:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] please prey Message-ID: <000301ce6454$3910dd00$ab329700$@com> Hello, I'm not a active poster on the lists here, but i would be grateful if thoughts who do prey if you could keep me in your prares. Saturday June second I went in to the ER with a migraine on a scale of 0 to 10 it was a 8, I was released early Sunday morning around 2 in the morning. Then on Monday morning I went back to the ER with another migraine on the scale of a 9, I was put in to observations and was released late Tuesday night, I then went back in to the ER on Wednesday with a migraine of a 8 to a 9, then was released late Wednesday night around 1 AM, I am now back in the hospital as I type this email, yesterday, being Friday, I got out of bed and went to open my bedroom door and went to take a step and collapsed on the ground, I couldn't move my legs or arms, I had to call 911 and have a amvolence come and carry me down a flight of stares to the stretcher, I then went to the hospital from there and was put in to the ER department once there, they ran a Cat scan, and it came back negative, at around 10 PM last night I was taken by amvolence to a MRI facility ware a MRI was conducted, I got the results today, and it came back negative, nothing there, well talking with doctors, and doing research on line, I am finding out that I might have Transient Ischemic Attacks, the vertebral arteries might be narrow, I'm going to request a MRI of my neck to find out what that is, common symptoms of Transient Ischemic Attacks (TIA) are numbness and or tingly, weakness on one side of the body, migraines can influence these. At this point, I can't stand for more than 20 seconds before I fall, I can't even try to stand I am so week. they're going to try to get me out of bed and try to work on my strength. I'll keep you all updated. If anyone wants to call me and talk to me, my hospital room number is (810) 606-9038. I would love to hear from all of you. Jeff Crouch ham radio callsign- KD8QIQ internet radio station- http://wnntech.com twitter- kd8qiq From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 14:34:25 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 09:34:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] please prey In-Reply-To: <000301ce6454$3910dd00$ab329700$@com> References: <000301ce6454$3910dd00$ab329700$@com> Message-ID: <2304447102651829392@unknownmsgid> Jeff, I'm sorry to hear about this. Praying for you. Please keep me posted on progress. God bless, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Jeff Crouch wrote: > Hello, > > I'm not a active poster on the lists here, but i would be grateful if > thoughts who do prey if you could keep me in your prares. > > > > Saturday June second I went in to the ER with a migraine on a scale of 0 to > 10 it was a 8, I was released early Sunday morning around 2 in the morning. > Then on Monday morning I went back to the ER with another migraine on the > scale of a 9, I was put in to observations and was released late Tuesday > night, I then went back in to the ER on Wednesday with a migraine of a 8 to > a 9, then was released late Wednesday night around 1 AM, I am now back in > the hospital as I type this email, yesterday, being Friday, I got out of bed > and went to open my bedroom door and went to take a step and collapsed on > the ground, I couldn't move my legs or arms, I had to call 911 and have a > amvolence come and carry me down a flight of stares to the stretcher, I then > went to the hospital from there and was put in to the ER department once > there, they ran a Cat scan, and it came back negative, at around 10 PM last > night I was taken by amvolence to a MRI facility ware a MRI was conducted, I > got the results today, and it came back negative, nothing there, well > talking with doctors, and doing research on line, I am finding out that I > might have Transient Ischemic Attacks, the vertebral arteries might be > narrow, I'm going to request a MRI of my neck to find out what that is, > common symptoms of Transient Ischemic Attacks (TIA) are numbness and or > tingly, weakness on one side of the body, migraines can influence these. At > this point, I can't stand for more than 20 seconds before I fall, I can't > even try to stand I am so week. they're going to try to get me out of bed > and try to work on my strength. I'll keep you all updated. > > > > If anyone wants to call me and talk to me, my hospital room number is (810) > 606-9038. I would love to hear from all of you. > > > > Jeff Crouch > > ham radio callsign- KD8QIQ > > internet radio station- http://wnntech.com > > twitter- kd8qiq > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Jun 8 14:37:37 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 14:37:37 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] please prey In-Reply-To: <2304447102651829392@unknownmsgid> References: <000301ce6454$3910dd00$ab329700$@com>, <2304447102651829392@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Jeff! I'm praying too! I rebuke this spirit of infirmity in the name of Jesus Christ! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:34 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] please prey Jeff, I'm sorry to hear about this. Praying for you. Please keep me posted on progress. God bless, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Jeff Crouch wrote: > Hello, > > I'm not a active poster on the lists here, but i would be grateful if > thoughts who do prey if you could keep me in your prares. > > > > Saturday June second I went in to the ER with a migraine on a scale of 0 to > 10 it was a 8, I was released early Sunday morning around 2 in the morning. > Then on Monday morning I went back to the ER with another migraine on the > scale of a 9, I was put in to observations and was released late Tuesday > night, I then went back in to the ER on Wednesday with a migraine of a 8 to > a 9, then was released late Wednesday night around 1 AM, I am now back in > the hospital as I type this email, yesterday, being Friday, I got out of bed > and went to open my bedroom door and went to take a step and collapsed on > the ground, I couldn't move my legs or arms, I had to call 911 and have a > amvolence come and carry me down a flight of stares to the stretcher, I then > went to the hospital from there and was put in to the ER department once > there, they ran a Cat scan, and it came back negative, at around 10 PM last > night I was taken by amvolence to a MRI facility ware a MRI was conducted, I > got the results today, and it came back negative, nothing there, well > talking with doctors, and doing research on line, I am finding out that I > might have Transient Ischemic Attacks, the vertebral arteries might be > narrow, I'm going to request a MRI of my neck to find out what that is, > common symptoms of Transient Ischemic Attacks (TIA) are numbness and or > tingly, weakness on one side of the body, migraines can influence these. At > this point, I can't stand for more than 20 seconds before I fall, I can't > even try to stand I am so week. they're going to try to get me out of bed > and try to work on my strength. I'll keep you all updated. > > > > If anyone wants to call me and talk to me, my hospital room number is (810) > 606-9038. I would love to hear from all of you. > > > > Jeff Crouch > > ham radio callsign- KD8QIQ > > internet radio station- http://wnntech.com > > twitter- kd8qiq > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 14:44:42 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 09:44:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS In-Reply-To: <00a601ce6388$25ff1820$71fd4860$@gmail.com> References: <00a601ce6388$25ff1820$71fd4860$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-4486780408239175357@unknownmsgid> Justin, I believe it is American Sign Language. Congratulations, Ashley, on a job well done! Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2013, at 9:09 AM, justin wrote: > Congradulations. Outstanding. Great job. > What is ASL? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashlee g > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:32 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS > > hi everyone. > > i graduate from my ASL 2 this tuesday night! I graduated from ASL 1! I have > more classes to go, and I will take them. But I so proud of me! They have a > person who sits with me and signs in my hands. THy have tactile letters, > andd for me, large print pictures! THey are use to deaf blind. and they are > great with autistic people. I hear in 1 ear, so that is part of my problem > with with communication. But my teachers are use to blind people. she is > great! anyone who lives in baltimore, and wants to take ASL, please email me > off list. > > AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 14:50:37 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 08:50:37 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center References: <51b1d061.24c9ec0a.5a0c.22eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8A79509AF58A400880400864DABB5B61@HP30910210001> that is a good question. I will give it some thought. Blessings, Melissa and Pj "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson facebook Melissa R Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roanna Baccchus" To: Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:21 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center Dear Nabs Members, Recently I read the articles about the three Nfb training centers that were published in the Braille Monitor. How do you prepare to attend one of these training centers? Please respond as soon as possible. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 14:52:06 2013 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 10:52:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS In-Reply-To: <-4486780408239175357@unknownmsgid> References: <00a601ce6388$25ff1820$71fd4860$@gmail.com> <-4486780408239175357@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <32FE7F8D-A8D4-4A3F-9A49-B35E4A9F65AC@gmail.com> Congratulations! Keep up the great work! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:44 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Justin, > > I believe it is American Sign Language. Congratulations, Ashley, on a > job well done! > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2013, at 9:09 AM, justin wrote: > >> Congradulations. Outstanding. Great job. >> What is ASL? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashlee g >> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:32 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS >> >> hi everyone. >> >> i graduate from my ASL 2 this tuesday night! I graduated from ASL 1! I have >> more classes to go, and I will take them. But I so proud of me! They have a >> person who sits with me and signs in my hands. THy have tactile letters, >> andd for me, large print pictures! THey are use to deaf blind. and they are >> great with autistic people. I hear in 1 ear, so that is part of my problem >> with with communication. But my teachers are use to blind people. she is >> great! anyone who lives in baltimore, and wants to take ASL, please email me >> off list. >> >> AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 >> gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 15:06:34 2013 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Ashlee g) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 11:06:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS In-Reply-To: <32FE7F8D-A8D4-4A3F-9A49-B35E4A9F65AC@gmail.com> References: <00a601ce6388$25ff1820$71fd4860$@gmail.com> <-4486780408239175357@unknownmsgid> <32FE7F8D-A8D4-4A3F-9A49-B35E4A9F65AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: thank you. floridia, here we come AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:52, Hope Paulos wrote: > Congratulations! Keep up the great work! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:44 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > >> Justin, >> >> I believe it is American Sign Language. Congratulations, Ashley, on a >> job well done! >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 8, 2013, at 9:09 AM, justin wrote: >> >>> Congradulations. Outstanding. Great job. >>> What is ASL? >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashlee g >>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:32 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS >>> >>> hi everyone. >>> >>> i graduate from my ASL 2 this tuesday night! I graduated from ASL 1! I have >>> more classes to go, and I will take them. But I so proud of me! They have a >>> person who sits with me and signs in my hands. THy have tactile letters, >>> andd for me, large print pictures! THey are use to deaf blind. and they are >>> great with autistic people. I hear in 1 ear, so that is part of my problem >>> with with communication. But my teachers are use to blind people. she is >>> great! anyone who lives in baltimore, and wants to take ASL, please email me >>> off list. >>> >>> AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 >>> gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 15:07:41 2013 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Ashlee g) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 11:07:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS In-Reply-To: <-4486780408239175357@unknownmsgid> References: <00a601ce6388$25ff1820$71fd4860$@gmail.com> <-4486780408239175357@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: this is lavonnya. and thanks. AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:44, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Justin, > > I believe it is American Sign Language. Congratulations, Ashley, on a > job well done! > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2013, at 9:09 AM, justin wrote: > >> Congradulations. Outstanding. Great job. >> What is ASL? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashlee g >> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:32 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS >> >> hi everyone. >> >> i graduate from my ASL 2 this tuesday night! I graduated from ASL 1! I have >> more classes to go, and I will take them. But I so proud of me! They have a >> person who sits with me and signs in my hands. THy have tactile letters, >> andd for me, large print pictures! THey are use to deaf blind. and they are >> great with autistic people. I hear in 1 ear, so that is part of my problem >> with with communication. But my teachers are use to blind people. she is >> great! anyone who lives in baltimore, and wants to take ASL, please email me >> off list. >> >> AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 >> gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 15:17:01 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 10:17:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS In-Reply-To: References: <00a601ce6388$25ff1820$71fd4860$@gmail.com> <-4486780408239175357@unknownmsgid> <32FE7F8D-A8D4-4A3F-9A49-B35E4A9F65AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-5122357702488205728@unknownmsgid> Ashley, Does this mean you will be at the convention? If so, see you (and the rest of y'all) in Orlando!! Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Ashlee g wrote: > thank you. floridia, here we come > > AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. > > On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:52, Hope Paulos wrote: > >> Congratulations! Keep up the great work! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:44 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: >> >>> Justin, >>> >>> I believe it is American Sign Language. Congratulations, Ashley, on a >>> job well done! >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 9:09 AM, justin wrote: >>> >>>> Congradulations. Outstanding. Great job. >>>> What is ASL? >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashlee g >>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:32 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS >>>> >>>> hi everyone. >>>> >>>> i graduate from my ASL 2 this tuesday night! I graduated from ASL 1! I have >>>> more classes to go, and I will take them. But I so proud of me! They have a >>>> person who sits with me and signs in my hands. THy have tactile letters, >>>> andd for me, large print pictures! THey are use to deaf blind. and they are >>>> great with autistic people. I hear in 1 ear, so that is part of my problem >>>> with with communication. But my teachers are use to blind people. she is >>>> great! anyone who lives in baltimore, and wants to take ASL, please email me >>>> off list. >>>> >>>> AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 >>>> gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 15:21:13 2013 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 11:21:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS References: Message-ID: <000301ce645b$d0de8a90$0302a8c0@hometwxakonvzn> Amenn! RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashlee g" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:31 AM Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS > hi everyone. > > i graduate from my ASL 2 this tuesday night! I graduated from ASL 1! I > have more classes to go, and I will take them. But I so proud of me! They > have a person who sits with me and signs in my hands. THy have tactile > letters, andd for me, large print pictures! THey are use to deaf blind. > and they are great with autistic people. I hear in 1 ear, so that is part > of my problem with with communication. But my teachers are use to blind > people. she is great! anyone who lives in baltimore, and wants to take > ASL, please email me off list. > > AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 16:23:00 2013 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 09:23:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3360E233B59C4216A8D90D791B512FF4@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello Kerri, What I went through to find my pipes in life was lots of trial and error and self realization. I went through a community college on the quarter system and tried everything I could. I also through myself into extra projects if my college didn't offer a class in that subject. As a result I spent 4 years at a community college, have almost 200 units as a transfer and know exactly what I want for my life. I think it was worth it. So many people are going through the 4 year college, not liking what they are doing, or really aren't sure what they want their major to be. I would also look at your hobbies and check out fields related to that. If you like playing computer games, look at programing, writing, audio engineering, game design and anything that has to do with computers. If you like reading books, look at publishing, being an editor (there are many kinds of editors), being an agent, being an author, being an English professor and or a professional reviewer. If you like music, look into music business, music history, music theory, audio engineering, being a musician, being a music teacher, music therapist, song writer or programmer of music applications. If you like watching TV, look into being a journalist, news caster, director, actor, camera person, audio engineer, script writer, animator (I'm sure it could be done) and special effects guy. Write down throughout the week things that either get your ardor up, things that you spend lots of time on and things you dream you could do but know you never could. Then do what I did above and start thinking of a list of things you can do. Also, take some of the personality tests online. They often give you ideas. If you need any help, say you just love twiddling your thumbs and you can't think of anything that you can twiddle your thumbs at and we can help you. (Film actor and gate guard come to mind right away. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: brooke anderson Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 6:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to work at the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not be something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind that you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will think that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you can. do not give up. Nichole. send from my galaxy note ii On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to > keep this very general and just ask my questions. > Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? > How did you pick your major? > If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out > what you were passionate about/wanted to do? > How did you find internal motivation? > How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? > What jobs can blind people do without a degree? > What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves > until they find direction? > I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did > really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply > now in the situation I am in because those goals were training > specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a > routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or > knew what I needed to work on in each class. > I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and > don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and > telling me what to do. > My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really > respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as > hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just > left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find > motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. > Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing > after training or am I the only one? > How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and > what you wanted to do? > The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I > really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have > a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think > that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am > motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather > than sitting around. > But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin > Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? > I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at > least have a plan. > Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholeanderson%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 16:24:28 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 11:24:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Temporarily Unsubscribing from Lists Message-ID: <2530132822066196167@unknownmsgid> Hello all, I would like to let everyone know that I will be temporarily unsubscribing from all lists to which I am currently subscribed this afternoon or tomorrow morning. I'm doing this because I will start my training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind's STEP Program tomorrow and will be here in Louisiana until August 3. While I will still have access to email while at LCB, I feel that it is best to unsubscribe from lists so I can keep in better contact with family and friends back home in Maryland who want to keep in touch with me privately, considering the limited time I will have to look at email. If you would like to contact me at any time while I'm in Louisiana, feel free to email me off-list at dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com. I hope to see many of you at the NFB national convention in Orlando! In the meantime, enjoy the discussion on the lists without my annoying contributions. LOL! Talk with you all again in August! Thanks, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 16:24:57 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 12:24:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] please prey In-Reply-To: <000301ce6454$3910dd00$ab329700$@com> References: <000301ce6454$3910dd00$ab329700$@com> Message-ID: <17417E31-4870-45F2-A592-76413A0951F8@gmail.com> Jeff, that is certainly sad to hear that you went through all that… I certainly will and I hope that you are better soon. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Jeff Crouch" wrote: > Hello, > > I'm not a active poster on the lists here, but i would be grateful if > thoughts who do prey if you could keep me in your prares. > > > > Saturday June second I went in to the ER with a migraine on a scale of 0 to > 10 it was a 8, I was released early Sunday morning around 2 in the morning. > Then on Monday morning I went back to the ER with another migraine on the > scale of a 9, I was put in to observations and was released late Tuesday > night, I then went back in to the ER on Wednesday with a migraine of a 8 to > a 9, then was released late Wednesday night around 1 AM, I am now back in > the hospital as I type this email, yesterday, being Friday, I got out of bed > and went to open my bedroom door and went to take a step and collapsed on > the ground, I couldn't move my legs or arms, I had to call 911 and have a > amvolence come and carry me down a flight of stares to the stretcher, I then > went to the hospital from there and was put in to the ER department once > there, they ran a Cat scan, and it came back negative, at around 10 PM last > night I was taken by amvolence to a MRI facility ware a MRI was conducted, I > got the results today, and it came back negative, nothing there, well > talking with doctors, and doing research on line, I am finding out that I > might have Transient Ischemic Attacks, the vertebral arteries might be > narrow, I'm going to request a MRI of my neck to find out what that is, > common symptoms of Transient Ischemic Attacks (TIA) are numbness and or > tingly, weakness on one side of the body, migraines can influence these. At > this point, I can't stand for more than 20 seconds before I fall, I can't > even try to stand I am so week. they're going to try to get me out of bed > and try to work on my strength. I'll keep you all updated. > > > > If anyone wants to call me and talk to me, my hospital room number is (810) > 606-9038. I would love to hear from all of you. > > > > Jeff Crouch > > ham radio callsign- KD8QIQ > > internet radio station- http://wnntech.com > > twitter- kd8qiq > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 16:29:15 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 12:29:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Temporarily Unsubscribing from Lists In-Reply-To: <2530132822066196167@unknownmsgid> References: <2530132822066196167@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <000601ce639c$274563b0$75d02b10$@gmail.com> Good luck. I'll be in Orlando, and will make sure to say high. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher nusbaum Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 12:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Blind Talk Mailing List; NFB Talk Mailing List; nfvmd at nfbnet.org; mdabs; greater-baltimore at nfb.org; mm-friends at acbradio.org; ACBRadio Friends List Subject: [nabs-l] Temporarily Unsubscribing from Lists Hello all, I would like to let everyone know that I will be temporarily unsubscribing from all lists to which I am currently subscribed this afternoon or tomorrow morning. I'm doing this because I will start my training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind's STEP Program tomorrow and will be here in Louisiana until August 3. While I will still have access to email while at LCB, I feel that it is best to unsubscribe from lists so I can keep in better contact with family and friends back home in Maryland who want to keep in touch with me privately, considering the limited time I will have to look at email. If you would like to contact me at any time while I'm in Louisiana, feel free to email me off-list at dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com. I hope to see many of you at the NFB national convention in Orlando! In the meantime, enjoy the discussion on the lists without my annoying contributions. LOL! Talk with you all again in August! Thanks, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 7 16:37:38 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 12:37:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] please prey In-Reply-To: <17417E31-4870-45F2-A592-76413A0951F8@gmail.com> References: <000301ce6454$3910dd00$ab329700$@com> <17417E31-4870-45F2-A592-76413A0951F8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901ce639d$534291d0$f9c7b570$@gmail.com> I also sent my praires to you Jeff. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh Gregory Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 12:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] please prey Jeff, that is certainly sad to hear that you went through all that… I certainly will and I hope that you are better soon. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Jeff Crouch" wrote: > Hello, > > I'm not a active poster on the lists here, but i would be grateful if > thoughts who do prey if you could keep me in your prares. > > > > Saturday June second I went in to the ER with a migraine on a scale of > 0 to > 10 it was a 8, I was released early Sunday morning around 2 in the morning. > Then on Monday morning I went back to the ER with another migraine on > the scale of a 9, I was put in to observations and was released late > Tuesday night, I then went back in to the ER on Wednesday with a > migraine of a 8 to a 9, then was released late Wednesday night around > 1 AM, I am now back in the hospital as I type this email, yesterday, > being Friday, I got out of bed and went to open my bedroom door and > went to take a step and collapsed on the ground, I couldn't move my > legs or arms, I had to call 911 and have a amvolence come and carry me > down a flight of stares to the stretcher, I then went to the hospital > from there and was put in to the ER department once there, they ran a > Cat scan, and it came back negative, at around 10 PM last night I was > taken by amvolence to a MRI facility ware a MRI was conducted, I got > the results today, and it came back negative, nothing there, well > talking with doctors, and doing research on line, I am finding out > that I might have Transient Ischemic Attacks, the vertebral arteries > might be narrow, I'm going to request a MRI of my neck to find out > what that is, common symptoms of Transient Ischemic Attacks (TIA) are > numbness and or tingly, weakness on one side of the body, migraines > can influence these. At this point, I can't stand for more than 20 > seconds before I fall, I can't even try to stand I am so week. they're going to try to get me out of bed and try to work on my strength. I'll keep you all updated. > > > > If anyone wants to call me and talk to me, my hospital room number is > (810) 606-9038. I would love to hear from all of you. > > > > Jeff Crouch > > ham radio callsign- KD8QIQ > > internet radio station- http://wnntech.com > > twitter- kd8qiq > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 > gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From kwakmiso at aol.com Sat Jun 8 16:54:58 2013 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 10:54:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Temporarily Unsubscribing from Lists Message-ID: I am joining Chris in unsubscribing for the summer since I am at CCB for the summer. Please email me to this address if you would like to get hold of me. Have a great summer everyone! -----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 10:24 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; Blind Talk Mailing List ; NFB Talk Mailing List ; nfvmd at nfbnet.org; mdabs ; greater-baltimore at nfb.org; mm-friends at acbradio.org; ACBRadio Friends List Subject: [nabs-l] Temporarily Unsubscribing from Lists Hello all, I would like to let everyone know that I will be temporarily unsubscribing from all lists to which I am currently subscribed this afternoon or tomorrow morning. I'm doing this because I will start my training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind's STEP Program tomorrow and will be here in Louisiana until August 3. While I will still have access to email while at LCB, I feel that it is best to unsubscribe from lists so I can keep in better contact with family and friends back home in Maryland who want to keep in touch with me privately, considering the limited time I will have to look at email. If you would like to contact me at any time while I'm in Louisiana, feel free to email me off-list at dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com. I hope to see many of you at the NFB national convention in Orlando! In the meantime, enjoy the discussion on the lists without my annoying contributions. LOL! Talk with you all again in August! Thanks, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 20:53:44 2013 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Ashlee g) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 16:53:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS In-Reply-To: <000301ce645b$d0de8a90$0302a8c0@hometwxakonvzn> References: <000301ce645b$d0de8a90$0302a8c0@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: <1C002316-DEC6-4286-9FC5-F30ED75A6192@gmail.com> thank u AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. On Jun 8, 2013, at 11:21, "RJ Sandefur" wrote: > Amenn! RJ > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashlee g" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:31 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS > > >> hi everyone. >> >> i graduate from my ASL 2 this tuesday night! I graduated from ASL 1! I have more classes to go, and I will take them. But I so proud of me! They have a person who sits with me and signs in my hands. THy have tactile letters, andd for me, large print pictures! THey are use to deaf blind. and they are great with autistic people. I hear in 1 ear, so that is part of my problem with with communication. But my teachers are use to blind people. she is great! anyone who lives in baltimore, and wants to take ASL, please email me off list. >> >> AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 20:55:05 2013 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Ashlee g) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 16:55:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS In-Reply-To: <-5122357702488205728@unknownmsgid> References: <00a601ce6388$25ff1820$71fd4860$@gmail.com> <-4486780408239175357@unknownmsgid> <32FE7F8D-A8D4-4A3F-9A49-B35E4A9F65AC@gmail.com> <-5122357702488205728@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4993F8A8-3879-47A1-A1AC-52FE134CA3F3@gmail.com> yes. i will be going and i cannot wait. AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. On Jun 8, 2013, at 11:17, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Ashley, > > Does this mean you will be at the convention? If so, see you (and the > rest of y'all) in Orlando!! > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Ashlee g wrote: > >> thank you. floridia, here we come >> >> AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. >> >> On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:52, Hope Paulos wrote: >> >>> Congratulations! Keep up the great work! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:44 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: >>> >>>> Justin, >>>> >>>> I believe it is American Sign Language. Congratulations, Ashley, on a >>>> job well done! >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 9:09 AM, justin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Congradulations. Outstanding. Great job. >>>>> What is ASL? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashlee g >>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:32 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS >>>>> >>>>> hi everyone. >>>>> >>>>> i graduate from my ASL 2 this tuesday night! I graduated from ASL 1! I have >>>>> more classes to go, and I will take them. But I so proud of me! They have a >>>>> person who sits with me and signs in my hands. THy have tactile letters, >>>>> andd for me, large print pictures! THey are use to deaf blind. and they are >>>>> great with autistic people. I hear in 1 ear, so that is part of my problem >>>>> with with communication. But my teachers are use to blind people. she is >>>>> great! anyone who lives in baltimore, and wants to take ASL, please email me >>>>> off list. >>>>> >>>>> AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 >>>>> gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sat Jun 8 21:07:28 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:07:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing? In-Reply-To: <4993F8A8-3879-47A1-A1AC-52FE134CA3F3@gmail.com> References: <00a601ce6388$25ff1820$71fd4860$@gmail.com><-4486780408239175357@unknownmsgid><32FE7F8D-A8D4-4A3F-9A49-B35E4A9F65AC@gmail.com><-5122357702488205728@unknownmsgid> <4993F8A8-3879-47A1-A1AC-52FE134CA3F3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello All, In a recent email, one of the NABS board members stated that NABS is not the board but rather the membership. I find it rather refreshing to hear one of the Board members make such a statement, and hold this point of view. However, as a general member of the organization, it seems as though there is a growing disconnect from the NABS board and the membership at large. I do not mean to discredit anyone, but where exactly has the NABS board been for the past year, and what exactly has it been doing? It just seems to me that if the NABS board is asking the membership at large to step up and take part in various activities that it would not be unreasonable for the membership at large to ask the same thing from the NABS board as well. Since last year's elections, I have only seen maybe two or three NABS board members actively step up and take part in things as a leader of this organization. Perhaps there are other NABS board members doing things behind the scenes that I do not know bout, but as a general member it seems as though I am no longer privileged to this information. At one point in time, the NABS board put out a monthly update highlighting major events, state student division announcements, and a copy of the minutes from the most recent NABS board meeting. I think this monthly update is a great way for the NABS board to communicate and connect with the general membership on a regular basis. However, it would appear as though this monthly update has mysteriously disappeared. Personally, I find it easier to volunteer for things when I feel a sense of connection with others and believe that my participation will actually make a difference and be worthwhile to others in the organization. If NABS is truly about the membership and not the board then perhaps the NABS board may want to consider reconnecting with the membership by bringing back these monthly updates. I do not mean to sound like some harsh critic. However, as a general member, I would like to see a more mutual exchange of give and take between the NABS board and the membership at large. If the NABS board is asking for the membership to step up and get involved then it would be nice to receive something from the NABS board stating what it has been doing as well as what it is currently doing. I think this could go a long way in helping to inspire general members to become more involved in the organization. However, these are just my thoughts. It is possible other people may disagree with me. I honestly hope I have not offended anyone by posting my thoughts to the email list. If I have offended anyone then please accept my sincerest apologies. Warm regards, Elizabeth From sgermano at asu.edu Sat Jun 8 22:28:29 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 15:28:29 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am one who has suffered form low self esteem. From kindergarten through high school I was teased daily. I am legally blind so I fit in no where. No one understands that I can't just "get glasses" I feel my low self esteem did not allow me to really find a passion as a young child or teen. There was never a time I though, "Oh I want to be a …" I was to busy hoping for one day of not being teased. I had no real support in school as far as being pushed to excel my school counselor basically just set me up to o the minimum to get into state college (Prior to that in Catholic school I won the county math competition both 7th and 8th grade and was accepted into Catholic high school with honors) Unfortunately I chose to go to public school starting in 9th grade. I only went to Catholic school 5th-8th and I have to say there was much less teasing there. I went straight into college for computer science. I really didn't have the skills necessary to find the right accommodations. I had never used a monocular for the board. My itinerant teacher really do do anything but provide large print book in high school. I was doing terrible in math classes because I was missing out on all the material form the board. I began to question was this field to visual? I had no mentors who were visually impaired or blind. I didn't know anyone with vision impairment who was employed. I started to think I should do things that would be "easier" like being a special ed teacher for blind because I knew that there were blind people in that job or major in languages and translate. I really had zero interest in those fields. I ended up leaving school because I had no real direction or confidence. I have been in and out of school worked as a programmer and as a Montessori primary teacher. I feel I wasted a lot of my life because I lacked confidence which led to a lack of direction. My confidence improved by something completely different which was competitive bodybuilding. I met a lot of people and became better at getting to know people. I am now 49 and just went back to school in Jan to finish my computer science degree. I have been in and out of college since high school but had always let fear and low self esteem dictate my decisions. This semester went great as I found solutions when situations arose. I received 4 A+'s and an A. I fell you need to look inside and figure out what you enjoy. Do you like to be challenged mentally? Do you like to work with people? Look at careers you can support yourself on. Do not jump straight into work as you may not get rehab to support you again if you choose college. Also what out for taking to many classed just to see what you like financial aid only covers so many attempted units. I have tons of unit form my AS degree that do not count toward my BS but financial aid is counting them. I will only get aid for 22 more unit but I have about 60 to go. If you think you want a 4 year degree than tell rehab that is what you want. Suzanne On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to > keep this very general and just ask my questions. > Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? > How did you pick your major? > If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out > what you were passionate about/wanted to do? > How did you find internal motivation? > How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? > What jobs can blind people do without a degree? > What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves > until they find direction? > I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did > really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply > now in the situation I am in because those goals were training > specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a > routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or > knew what I needed to work on in each class. > I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and > don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and > telling me what to do. > My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really > respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as > hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just > left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find > motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. > Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing > after training or am I the only one? > How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and > what you wanted to do? > The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I > really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have > a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think > that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am > motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather > than sitting around. > But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin > Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? > I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at > least have a plan. > Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From dwebster125 at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 22:47:32 2013 From: dwebster125 at gmail.com (Dave Webster) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 15:47:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <011101ce649a$2b11c890$813559b0$@gmail.com> Hi kerry. I'm Dave. Yea that happened to me after training as well. I went to the Louisiana center and in some ways took it seriously but in other ways didn't take it seriously. I have bipolar so if let's say I get depressed that seems to happen whare I feel like I'm not getting naywhare. So. I know how you feel. I can't really say exactly what to do because I sometimes have the same problem you do. If you want to talk you can write me off list. Thanks. I have skype as well. So. We can talk on there if you'd like as well. Get back to me. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 3:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... I am one who has suffered form low self esteem. From kindergarten through high school I was teased daily. I am legally blind so I fit in no where. No one understands that I can't just "get glasses" I feel my low self esteem did not allow me to really find a passion as a young child or teen. There was never a time I though, "Oh I want to be a ." I was to busy hoping for one day of not being teased. I had no real support in school as far as being pushed to excel my school counselor basically just set me up to o the minimum to get into state college (Prior to that in Catholic school I won the county math competition both 7th and 8th grade and was accepted into Catholic high school with honors) Unfortunately I chose to go to public school starting in 9th grade. I only went to Catholic school 5th-8th and I have to say there was much less teasing there. I went straight into college for computer science. I really didn't have the skills necessary to find the right accommodations. I had never used a monocular for the board. My itinerant teacher really do do anything but provide large print book in high school. I was doing terrible in math classes because I was missing out on all the material form the board. I began to question was this field to visual? I had no mentors who were visually impaired or blind. I didn't know anyone with vision impairment who was employed. I started to think I should do things that would be "easier" like being a special ed teacher for blind because I knew that there were blind people in that job or major in languages and translate. I really had zero interest in those fields. I ended up leaving school because I had no real direction or confidence. I have been in and out of school worked as a programmer and as a Montessori primary teacher. I feel I wasted a lot of my life because I lacked confidence which led to a lack of direction. My confidence improved by something completely different which was competitive bodybuilding. I met a lot of people and became better at getting to know people. I am now 49 and just went back to school in Jan to finish my computer science degree. I have been in and out of college since high school but had always let fear and low self esteem dictate my decisions. This semester went great as I found solutions when situations arose. I received 4 A+'s and an A. I fell you need to look inside and figure out what you enjoy. Do you like to be challenged mentally? Do you like to work with people? Look at careers you can support yourself on. Do not jump straight into work as you may not get rehab to support you again if you choose college. Also what out for taking to many classed just to see what you like financial aid only covers so many attempted units. I have tons of unit form my AS degree that do not count toward my BS but financial aid is counting them. I will only get aid for 22 more unit but I have about 60 to go. If you think you want a 4 year degree than tell rehab that is what you want. Suzanne On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to > keep this very general and just ask my questions. > Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? > How did you pick your major? > If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out > what you were passionate about/wanted to do? > How did you find internal motivation? > How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? > What jobs can blind people do without a degree? > What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves > until they find direction? > I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did > really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply > now in the situation I am in because those goals were training > specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a > routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or > knew what I needed to work on in each class. > I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and > don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and > telling me what to do. > My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really > respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as > hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just > left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find > motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. > Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing > after training or am I the only one? > How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and > what you wanted to do? > The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I > really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have > a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think > that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am > motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather > than sitting around. > But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin > Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? > I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at > least have a plan. > Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as > u.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail .com From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 23:02:35 2013 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 19:02:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... Message-ID: Hi Everyone: Last night, I did some more thinking. I believe I have come up with a plan, and thought I'd share to get everyone's thoughts. I decided to change the subject line. The problem is I don't know what my passion is. I suffer from very very low self-esteem and lack belief/confidence in myself. As I said in my previous message, I have no problems doing things for someone else, but when it comes to myself and what I want to do this is where I majorly struggle. My other problem is that because of lack of confidence when I think of my interests I question myself and convince myself out of it. There is a difference between just liking something and actually doing it for a career and being good at it. Maybe I just don't know what I am really good at. Okay, here are my interests and potential career plan. My interests are sports, braille, rehabilitation counseling, rehabilitation teaching, journalism, reading, writing, and communications. Here is what I was thinking. I really love sports. When I went to WVU before, I was a journalism major because I thought I wanted to be a sportswriter. I was thinking I'd finish my journalism degree. I say journalism because I feel it could teach me a lot of transferable skills that could help me in other areas and I could learn to become a better writer. I could also try to better figure out whether I want to actually be a sportswriter. My top interests besides sports are rehabilitation counseling, rehabilitation teaching, and braille. I figured if after I got my journalism degree, I could get my master's in either rehabilitation counseling, rehabilitation teaching, or teaching blind students. I need to probably say I've never had any real experiences teaching, but I am an excellent braille reader, and with there being such a shortage with braille teachers I figure I could do something with that. The same with rehabilitation teaching. While I have no experience with teaching, again, I do have skills and figure I could teach them. I became interested in rehabilitation counseling when I joined the NFB. I became very passionate about seeing blind people reach their full potential and getting the training they need. I also have severe hearing loss in addition to my blindness so I am also passionate about seeing others who have severe hearing loss in addition to blindness reach their full potential. My problem is though, I have no trouble writing or speaking about these interests but when it comes to doing things/taking action I struggle and become nervous and lose confidence in myself and then convince myself I can't do it. I can talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk I have no idea and that is where I lose confidence in myself and become negative. Does what I wrote above sound like a good plan? Do others struggle with this whole thing about being afraid and unsure when it comes to taking action and convincing yourself you can't do it? In West Virginia, we do not have a community college. I live in the same town as West Virginia University, which is the state landgrand institution. I am no longer in high school;I graduated in 2006. Thanks so much for your input and thoughts! Kerri From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Sat Jun 8 23:21:06 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 19:21:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: <011101ce649a$2b11c890$813559b0$@gmail.com> References: <011101ce649a$2b11c890$813559b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Kerri, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I don't really know what you are going through, but what I wanted to tell you is that you need to have faith and never give up even if you are facing bad circumstances. Just to let you know, I became blind 5 years ago, but I didn't let this situation stop me in order for me to complete my goals. I'm not saying that I finish completing my gols, what I'm saying is that I still need to complete more, but I'm doing it by having faith in God and having confidence in myself. Also, I just wanted to tell you that I had low vision before becoming blind. By the way, I just would like to ask you, are you a Christian? Just curious. If you don't want to answer when you are on the list, I truly understand, but if you want to talk to me more about this, you can do it off list if you want. Thanks! and God bless! Just to let you know, my email adress is helga.schreiber at hotmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Dave Webster Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 6:47 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... Hi kerry. I'm Dave. Yea that happened to me after training as well. I went to the Louisiana center and in some ways took it seriously but in other ways didn't take it seriously. I have bipolar so if let's say I get depressed that seems to happen whare I feel like I'm not getting naywhare. So. I know how you feel. I can't really say exactly what to do because I sometimes have the same problem you do. If you want to talk you can write me off list. Thanks. I have skype as well. So. We can talk on there if you'd like as well. Get back to me. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 3:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... I am one who has suffered form low self esteem. From kindergarten through high school I was teased daily. I am legally blind so I fit in no where. No one understands that I can't just "get glasses" I feel my low self esteem did not allow me to really find a passion as a young child or teen. There was never a time I though, "Oh I want to be a ." I was to busy hoping for one day of not being teased. I had no real support in school as far as being pushed to excel my school counselor basically just set me up to o the minimum to get into state college (Prior to that in Catholic school I won the county math competition both 7th and 8th grade and was accepted into Catholic high school with honors) Unfortunately I chose to go to public school starting in 9th grade. I only went to Catholic school 5th-8th and I have to say there was much less teasing there. I went straight into college for computer science. I really didn't have the skills necessary to find the right accommodations. I had never used a monocular for the board. My itinerant teacher really do do anything but provide large print book in high school. I was doing terrible in math classes because I was missing out on all the material form the board. I began to question was this field to visual? I had no mentors who were visually impaired or blind. I didn't know anyone with vision impairment who was employed. I started to think I should do things that would be "easier" like being a special ed teacher for blind because I knew that there were blind people in that job or major in languages and translate. I really had zero interest in those fields. I ended up leaving school because I had no real direction or confidence. I have been in and out of school worked as a programmer and as a Montessori primary teacher. I feel I wasted a lot of my life because I lacked confidence which led to a lack of direction. My confidence improved by something completely different which was competitive bodybuilding. I met a lot of people and became better at getting to know people. I am now 49 and just went back to school in Jan to finish my computer science degree. I have been in and out of college since high school but had always let fear and low self esteem dictate my decisions. This semester went great as I found solutions when situations arose. I received 4 A+'s and an A. I fell you need to look inside and figure out what you enjoy. Do you like to be challenged mentally? Do you like to work with people? Look at careers you can support yourself on. Do not jump straight into work as you may not get rehab to support you again if you choose college. Also what out for taking to many classed just to see what you like financial aid only covers so many attempted units. I have tons of unit form my AS degree that do not count toward my BS but financial aid is counting them. I will only get aid for 22 more unit but I have about 60 to go. If you think you want a 4 year degree than tell rehab that is what you want. Suzanne On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to > keep this very general and just ask my questions. > Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? > How did you pick your major? > If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out > what you were passionate about/wanted to do? > How did you find internal motivation? > How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? > What jobs can blind people do without a degree? > What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves > until they find direction? > I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did > really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply > now in the situation I am in because those goals were training > specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a > routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or > knew what I needed to work on in each class. > I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and > don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and > telling me what to do. > My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really > respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as > hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just > left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find > motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. > Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing > after training or am I the only one? > How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and > what you wanted to do? > The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I > really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have > a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think > that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am > motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather > than sitting around. > But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin > Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? > I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at > least have a plan. > Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as > u.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Jun 8 23:28:38 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:28:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kerri, >From what you just wrote I believe you do know what your passions are, perhaps more clearly than most people. You know you are passionate about sports writing and about helping blind people to better their skills. You have also come up with a very clear, concrete plan of finishing your journalism degree. It might help with your confidence if you could break your goals down into smaller immediate objectives that aren't as overwhelming. For example, it sounds like you have informally decided to earn a bachelor's degree in journalism. That may sound overwhelming, but really it is just completing a series of classes. If you plan one semester at a time, and try to focus as much as possible on your current semester and not on the semesters afterward, you may find you are less overwhelmed and more optimistic about completing your current courses. At the end of each semester, you can go back and evaluate how the semester went, which classes you enjoyed, which ones you didn't, which courses you excelled in most, etc. This may help steer you toward one direction, if you find that after taking a special education class you are less excited about that content and more excited about journalism classes and projects you worked on, for example. However, it is also possible that you have multiple passions and there are ways to integrate those different passions into a single program of study, to pursue one interest as a career and the other as a hobby, or even to find a job that integrates both interests equally. You could even take on a double major and if both degrees are liberal arts/sciences kinds of degrees, it isn't much extra work because many of the electives from one major can come from the other one. That's what I did by majoring in both biology and psychology because I couldn't decide which direction to go in initially and the psychology major courses could double as social/behavioral electives for the biology major. I try to follow a one-to-two-year plan and not to plan too much further ahead than that, because things change and because planning further out tends to be more overwhelming than it is helpful, in my opinion. Best, Arielle On 6/8/13, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > Last night, I did some more thinking. I believe I have come up with a > plan, and thought I'd share to get everyone's thoughts. I decided to > change the subject line. > The problem is I don't know what my passion is. I suffer from very > very low self-esteem and lack belief/confidence in myself. As I said > in my previous message, I have no problems doing things for someone > else, but when it comes to myself and what I want to do this is where > I majorly struggle. > My other problem is that because of lack of confidence when I think of > my interests I question myself and convince myself out of it. There is > a difference between just liking something and actually doing it for a > career and being good at it. > Maybe I just don't know what I am really good at. > Okay, here are my interests and potential career plan. > My interests are sports, braille, rehabilitation counseling, > rehabilitation teaching, journalism, reading, writing, and > communications. > Here is what I was thinking. > I really love sports. When I went to WVU before, I was a journalism > major because I thought I wanted to be a sportswriter. > I was thinking I'd finish my journalism degree. I say journalism > because I feel it could teach me a lot of transferable skills that > could help me in other areas and I could learn to become a better > writer. I could also try to better figure out whether I want to > actually be a sportswriter. > My top interests besides sports are rehabilitation counseling, > rehabilitation teaching, and braille. I figured if after I got my > journalism degree, I could get my master's in either rehabilitation > counseling, rehabilitation teaching, or teaching blind students. > I need to probably say I've never had any real experiences teaching, > but I am an excellent braille reader, and with there being such a > shortage with braille teachers I figure I could do something with > that. > The same with rehabilitation teaching. While I have no experience with > teaching, again, I do have skills and figure I could teach them. > I became interested in rehabilitation counseling when I joined the > NFB. I became very passionate about seeing blind people reach their > full potential and getting the training they need. > I also have severe hearing loss in addition to my blindness so I am > also passionate about seeing others who have severe hearing loss in > addition to blindness reach their full potential. > My problem is though, I have no trouble writing or speaking about > these interests but when it comes to doing things/taking action I > struggle and become nervous and lose confidence in myself and then > convince myself I can't do it. > I can talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk I have no > idea and that is where I lose confidence in myself and become > negative. > Does what I wrote above sound like a good plan? > Do others struggle with this whole thing about being afraid and unsure > when it comes to taking action and convincing yourself you can't do > it? > In West Virginia, we do not have a community college. I live in the > same town as West Virginia University, which is the state landgrand > institution. > I am no longer in high school;I graduated in 2006. > Thanks so much for your input and thoughts! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From wmodnl at hotmail.com Sun Jun 9 00:46:17 2013 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 20:46:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS In-Reply-To: <00a601ce6388$25ff1820$71fd4860$@gmail.com> References: <00a601ce6388$25ff1820$71fd4860$@gmail.com> Message-ID: ASL refers to American Sign Language. Have a good evening. Sent from my iPad On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:10 AM, "justin" wrote: > Congradulations. Outstanding. Great job. > What is ASL? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashlee g > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:32 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS > > hi everyone. > > i graduate from my ASL 2 this tuesday night! I graduated from ASL 1! I have > more classes to go, and I will take them. But I so proud of me! They have a > person who sits with me and signs in my hands. THy have tactile letters, > andd for me, large print pictures! THey are use to deaf blind. and they are > great with autistic people. I hear in 1 ear, so that is part of my problem > with with communication. But my teachers are use to blind people. she is > great! anyone who lives in baltimore, and wants to take ASL, please email me > off list. > > AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Jun 9 01:38:43 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2013 18:38:43 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130608183333.01dee058@comcast.net> Hi, Keri, Thank you for the message, clarifying from where you are sittting, career wise. For subjects like sports% &rec contact Lisa Maria Martinez at lmartenez at gmail.com. Good luck! Car04:02 PM 6/8/2013, you wrote: >Hi Everyone: > >Last night, I did some more thinking. I believe I have come up with a >plan, and thought I'd share to get everyone's thoughts. I decided to >change the subject line. >The problem is I don't know what my passion is. I suffer from very >very low self-esteem and lack belief/confidence in myself. As I said >in my previous message, I have no problems doing things for someone >else, but when it comes to myself and what I want to do this is where >I majorly struggle. >My other problem is that because of lack of confidence when I think of >my interests I question myself and convince myself out of it. There is >a difference between just liking something and actually doing it for a >career and being good at it. >Maybe I just don't know what I am really good at. >Okay, here are my interests and potential career plan. >My interests are sports, braille, rehabilitation counseling, >rehabilitation teaching, journalism, reading, writing, and >communications. >Here is what I was thinking. >I really love sports. When I went to WVU before, I was a journalism >major because I thought I wanted to be a sportswriter. >I was thinking I'd finish my journalism degree. I say journalism >because I feel it could teach me a lot of transferable skills that >could help me in other areas and I could learn to become a better >writer. I could also try to better figure out whether I want to >actually be a sportswriter. >My top interests besides sports are rehabilitation counseling, >rehabilitation teaching, and braille. I figured if after I got my >journalism degree, I could get my master's in either rehabilitation >counseling, rehabilitation teaching, or teaching blind students. >I need to probably say I've never had any real experiences teaching, >but I am an excellent braille reader, and with there being such a >shortage with braille teachers I figure I could do something with >that. >The same with rehabilitation teaching. While I have no experience with >teaching, again, I do have skills and figure I could teach them. >I became interested in rehabilitation counseling when I joined the >NFB. I became very passionate about seeing blind people reach their >full potential and getting the training they need. >I also have severe hearing loss in addition to my blindness so I am >also passionate about seeing others who have severe hearing loss in >addition to blindness reach their full potential. >My problem is though, I have no trouble writing or speaking about >these interests but when it comes to doing things/taking action I >struggle and become nervous and lose confidence in myself and then >convince myself I can't do it. >I can talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk I have no >idea and that is where I lose confidence in myself and become >negative. >Does what I wrote above sound like a good plan? >Do others struggle with this whole thing about being afraid and unsure >when it comes to taking action and convincing yourself you can't do >it? >In West Virginia, we do not have a community college. I live in the >same town as West Virginia University, which is the state landgrand >institution. >I am no longer in high school;I graduated in 2006. >Thanks so much for your input and thoughts! >Kerri > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 01:49:30 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 20:49:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130608183333.01dee058@comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20130608183333.01dee058@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5216514938586888025@unknownmsgid> There is also the sports and rec list on NFB-Net. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Hi, Keri, > > Thank you for the message, clarifying from where you are sittting, career wise. For subjects like sports% > &rec contact Lisa Maria Martinez at lmartenez at gmail.com. > Good luck! Car04:02 PM 6/8/2013, you wrote: >> Hi Everyone: >> >> Last night, I did some more thinking. I believe I have come up with a >> plan, and thought I'd share to get everyone's thoughts. I decided to >> change the subject line. >> The problem is I don't know what my passion is. I suffer from very >> very low self-esteem and lack belief/confidence in myself. As I said >> in my previous message, I have no problems doing things for someone >> else, but when it comes to myself and what I want to do this is where >> I majorly struggle. >> My other problem is that because of lack of confidence when I think of >> my interests I question myself and convince myself out of it. There is >> a difference between just liking something and actually doing it for a >> career and being good at it. >> Maybe I just don't know what I am really good at. >> Okay, here are my interests and potential career plan. >> My interests are sports, braille, rehabilitation counseling, >> rehabilitation teaching, journalism, reading, writing, and >> communications. >> Here is what I was thinking. >> I really love sports. When I went to WVU before, I was a journalism >> major because I thought I wanted to be a sportswriter. >> I was thinking I'd finish my journalism degree. I say journalism >> because I feel it could teach me a lot of transferable skills that >> could help me in other areas and I could learn to become a better >> writer. I could also try to better figure out whether I want to >> actually be a sportswriter. >> My top interests besides sports are rehabilitation counseling, >> rehabilitation teaching, and braille. I figured if after I got my >> journalism degree, I could get my master's in either rehabilitation >> counseling, rehabilitation teaching, or teaching blind students. >> I need to probably say I've never had any real experiences teaching, >> but I am an excellent braille reader, and with there being such a >> shortage with braille teachers I figure I could do something with >> that. >> The same with rehabilitation teaching. While I have no experience with >> teaching, again, I do have skills and figure I could teach them. >> I became interested in rehabilitation counseling when I joined the >> NFB. I became very passionate about seeing blind people reach their >> full potential and getting the training they need. >> I also have severe hearing loss in addition to my blindness so I am >> also passionate about seeing others who have severe hearing loss in >> addition to blindness reach their full potential. >> My problem is though, I have no trouble writing or speaking about >> these interests but when it comes to doing things/taking action I >> struggle and become nervous and lose confidence in myself and then >> convince myself I can't do it. >> I can talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk I have no >> idea and that is where I lose confidence in myself and become >> negative. >> Does what I wrote above sound like a good plan? >> Do others struggle with this whole thing about being afraid and unsure >> when it comes to taking action and convincing yourself you can't do >> it? >> In West Virginia, we do not have a community college. I live in the >> same town as West Virginia University, which is the state landgrand >> institution. >> I am no longer in high school;I graduated in 2006. >> Thanks so much for your input and thoughts! >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Jun 9 03:19:01 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 23:19:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Kerri, I would echo what Arielle has already said. I think you already have a good plan in terms of pursuing your career goals. I also think it can be rather daunting to look too far into the future, so settling on some short-term goals can definitely make things more manageable. If you are looking to discover your own unique talents and skill set, I believe there were a few good exercises in the book "What Color Is Your Parachute?" by Richard Bolles. I believe this book can be found on both the NLS download site as well as Bookshare. I found it to be a rather worthwhile read. In terms of struggling with your self-esteem and self-motivation, I offer the following thoughts and suggestions. However, please note that I am by no means an expert when it comes to these things as I struggle with some of the same issues myself. But here are a few thoughts that came to mind as I was reading through your message. You say that it is easier for you to do things for other people than it is to do things for yourself. With this in mind, perhaps you could think of at least one thing you could do for someone else you greatly admire and respect, and then picture yourself as this person, or the person you hope to be in the future. Instead of seeing yourself doing it for yourself, picture yourself doing it for who you will be in the future rather than for yourself. In terms of finding the motivation to get started on something that might seem overwhelming, perhaps you could simply see things as a possible opportunity rather than some lifelong career choice. If there are possible volunteer opportunities to work in the fields you are considering as a career choice, it might not seem so daunting when you are only doing it for a couple of weeks or months rather than the rest of your life. I would also suggest making an appointment with a career councilor or advisor if you have a career center on campus as well as an academic advisor or councilor in the subject areas you are interested in pursuing. . A career advisor may be able to help you find volunteer opportunities as well as possible professionals in various careers that match your interest that you could interview for advice and motivation. An academic advisor or counselor can help you break down your long-term goals into shorter more manageable goals by suggesting what classes might be the most helpful in pursuing your long-term career goals. You could also ask your college if they provide any kind of community education classes that might help you with your self-esteem issues or career planning. Since you do not have a local community college in your area, they may or may not provide these types of classes. However, the only way to find out is to ask. Again, I am not an expert by any means, but I hope you find some of these ideas helpful. And one last thing, the NFB also has a journalism group. I am not sure how active their email list may be, but the co-chairs are listed in the convention agenda. Perhaps they might be willing to sit down and talk to you at national convention provided that all parties involved will be there. But anyway, I think it is high time for me to close this novel of a post. I wish you the best of luck in carving out the dreams for your future. Best regards, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kerri Kosten" Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 7:02 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" ; "Ed McDonald" ; "karen" Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... > Hi Everyone: > > Last night, I did some more thinking. I believe I have come up with a > plan, and thought I'd share to get everyone's thoughts. I decided to > change the subject line. > The problem is I don't know what my passion is. I suffer from very > very low self-esteem and lack belief/confidence in myself. As I said > in my previous message, I have no problems doing things for someone > else, but when it comes to myself and what I want to do this is where > I majorly struggle. > My other problem is that because of lack of confidence when I think of > my interests I question myself and convince myself out of it. There is > a difference between just liking something and actually doing it for a > career and being good at it. > Maybe I just don't know what I am really good at. > Okay, here are my interests and potential career plan. > My interests are sports, braille, rehabilitation counseling, > rehabilitation teaching, journalism, reading, writing, and > communications. > Here is what I was thinking. > I really love sports. When I went to WVU before, I was a journalism > major because I thought I wanted to be a sportswriter. > I was thinking I'd finish my journalism degree. I say journalism > because I feel it could teach me a lot of transferable skills that > could help me in other areas and I could learn to become a better > writer. I could also try to better figure out whether I want to > actually be a sportswriter. > My top interests besides sports are rehabilitation counseling, > rehabilitation teaching, and braille. I figured if after I got my > journalism degree, I could get my master's in either rehabilitation > counseling, rehabilitation teaching, or teaching blind students. > I need to probably say I've never had any real experiences teaching, > but I am an excellent braille reader, and with there being such a > shortage with braille teachers I figure I could do something with > that. > The same with rehabilitation teaching. While I have no experience with > teaching, again, I do have skills and figure I could teach them. > I became interested in rehabilitation counseling when I joined the > NFB. I became very passionate about seeing blind people reach their > full potential and getting the training they need. > I also have severe hearing loss in addition to my blindness so I am > also passionate about seeing others who have severe hearing loss in > addition to blindness reach their full potential. > My problem is though, I have no trouble writing or speaking about > these interests but when it comes to doing things/taking action I > struggle and become nervous and lose confidence in myself and then > convince myself I can't do it. > I can talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk I have no > idea and that is where I lose confidence in myself and become > negative. > Does what I wrote above sound like a good plan? > Do others struggle with this whole thing about being afraid and unsure > when it comes to taking action and convincing yourself you can't do > it? > In West Virginia, we do not have a community college. I live in the > same town as West Virginia University, which is the state landgrand > institution. > I am no longer in high school;I graduated in 2006. > Thanks so much for your input and thoughts! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From lissa1531 at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 04:28:50 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 22:28:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... References: Message-ID: <20AA59A960F641D081DF176568BD4D55@HP30910210001> really good points Arielle. I completely agree we are put under more pressure than others to have a career. IMO we are also told what career we should go into. For example, you are blind so go teach other blind people, or you are blind technology is wonderful for you. I wonder do sighted people get put through the career tests as much as we do as blind people. Blessings, Melissa and Pj "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson facebook Melissa R Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... Hi Kerri, I think this is an excellent question. I would bet that virtually all blind people and virtually all sighted people have struggled with this issue. I have sighted research assistants who have graduated college and are unsure what to do afterward. Even my father, who was a successful doctor for twenty years, has struggled with career change decisions and made a substantial switch in his job in his mid-fifties. There are a multitude of careers and jobs out there, and it is hard to choose what you want to do and how that lines up with the jobs that are actually out there. I think this is a common issue that has little to do with blindness or being in training. However, I think there is a huge amount of pressure placed on blind people to pick a career path as soon as they graduate high school and to stick with that path forever. In my opinion this expectation is unrealistic and puts too much pressure on young people without motivating them. I have heard that the average person switches jobs every three to five years. Plenty of folks get a degree, work in one career for a while, then decide to re-train and do something else. There is nothing wrong with that. The suggestion I give most people is to just pick something you like, either a job opportunity that comes up or a college major, and just stay with it for as long as you like, knowing that you can always change your mind and do something else later. You can tell voc rehab that it is your career plan, and if you change your mind later, so be it. I also think that finding good mentors in whatever job or college major you pick is really important for staying motivated. I had mentors in college who gave me clear and supportive guidance about what direction to go into, and now my mentors in grad school are giving me the motivation I need to keep going toward my degree (which I still don't quite know what I'm doing afterward). It sounds like you had excellent mentors in training and you can find good mentors in work and school settings as well. In order to find them, though, you will need to take a step out and pick something to do, either a job or a degree. There are plenty of professional folks who want to take on young people as mentees, in the work world as well as in the NFB. I believe there are several jobs a blind person could do with just a high school degree, but getting a college degree will greatly increase your options. If VR is supporting you, there is little cost in going to college and getting a degree. While the degree will help you, the mentoring connections you could make in college, through classes and extracurricular activities, is equally if not more helpful Best, Arielle On 6/7/13, brooke anderson wrote: > My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to work > at > the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not be > something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind that > you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will think > that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you can. do > not give up. > Nichole. > > send from my galaxy note ii > On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: > >> Hi Everyone: >> >> I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to >> keep this very general and just ask my questions. >> Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? >> How did you pick your major? >> If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out >> what you were passionate about/wanted to do? >> How did you find internal motivation? >> How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? >> What jobs can blind people do without a degree? >> What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves >> until they find direction? >> I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did >> really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply >> now in the situation I am in because those goals were training >> specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a >> routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or >> knew what I needed to work on in each class. >> I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and >> don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and >> telling me what to do. >> My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really >> respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as >> hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just >> left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find >> motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. >> Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing >> after training or am I the only one? >> How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and >> what you wanted to do? >> The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I >> really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have >> a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think >> that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am >> motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather >> than sitting around. >> But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin >> Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? >> I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at >> least have a plan. >> Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholeanderson%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From dwebster125 at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 04:50:55 2013 From: dwebster125 at gmail.com (Dave Webster) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 21:50:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: <20AA59A960F641D081DF176568BD4D55@HP30910210001> References: <20AA59A960F641D081DF176568BD4D55@HP30910210001> Message-ID: My problem was that growing up since I have been blind my whole life in school it was always since you're blind you have to be doing it better and cleaner than the other guy. I realize that my parents had probably ben using that just for motivation and that type of motivation is a natural thing for parents to do. Hell I'd do it. If my child were blind, which incidently I have no children but if any of them were blind and I were sighted I'd probably say the same thing. I though would probably say since you're blind you don't necessarily need to be doing it better than anyone else but you need to do just as good as everyone else does. Its kind of the theory that they teach at the nfb training centers and that is its not enough just to get by. Its not enough just to be average. -----Original Message----- From: melissa Green Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... really good points Arielle. I completely agree we are put under more pressure than others to have a career. IMO we are also told what career we should go into. For example, you are blind so go teach other blind people, or you are blind technology is wonderful for you. I wonder do sighted people get put through the career tests as much as we do as blind people. Blessings, Melissa and Pj "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson facebook Melissa R Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... Hi Kerri, I think this is an excellent question. I would bet that virtually all blind people and virtually all sighted people have struggled with this issue. I have sighted research assistants who have graduated college and are unsure what to do afterward. Even my father, who was a successful doctor for twenty years, has struggled with career change decisions and made a substantial switch in his job in his mid-fifties. There are a multitude of careers and jobs out there, and it is hard to choose what you want to do and how that lines up with the jobs that are actually out there. I think this is a common issue that has little to do with blindness or being in training. However, I think there is a huge amount of pressure placed on blind people to pick a career path as soon as they graduate high school and to stick with that path forever. In my opinion this expectation is unrealistic and puts too much pressure on young people without motivating them. I have heard that the average person switches jobs every three to five years. Plenty of folks get a degree, work in one career for a while, then decide to re-train and do something else. There is nothing wrong with that. The suggestion I give most people is to just pick something you like, either a job opportunity that comes up or a college major, and just stay with it for as long as you like, knowing that you can always change your mind and do something else later. You can tell voc rehab that it is your career plan, and if you change your mind later, so be it. I also think that finding good mentors in whatever job or college major you pick is really important for staying motivated. I had mentors in college who gave me clear and supportive guidance about what direction to go into, and now my mentors in grad school are giving me the motivation I need to keep going toward my degree (which I still don't quite know what I'm doing afterward). It sounds like you had excellent mentors in training and you can find good mentors in work and school settings as well. In order to find them, though, you will need to take a step out and pick something to do, either a job or a degree. There are plenty of professional folks who want to take on young people as mentees, in the work world as well as in the NFB. I believe there are several jobs a blind person could do with just a high school degree, but getting a college degree will greatly increase your options. If VR is supporting you, there is little cost in going to college and getting a degree. While the degree will help you, the mentoring connections you could make in college, through classes and extracurricular activities, is equally if not more helpful Best, Arielle On 6/7/13, brooke anderson wrote: > My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to work > at > the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not be > something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind that > you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will think > that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you can. do > not give up. > Nichole. > > send from my galaxy note ii > On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: > >> Hi Everyone: >> >> I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to >> keep this very general and just ask my questions. >> Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? >> How did you pick your major? >> If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out >> what you were passionate about/wanted to do? >> How did you find internal motivation? >> How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? >> What jobs can blind people do without a degree? >> What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves >> until they find direction? >> I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did >> really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply >> now in the situation I am in because those goals were training >> specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a >> routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or >> knew what I needed to work on in each class. >> I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and >> don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and >> telling me what to do. >> My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really >> respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as >> hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just >> left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find >> motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. >> Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing >> after training or am I the only one? >> How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and >> what you wanted to do? >> The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I >> really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have >> a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think >> that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am >> motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather >> than sitting around. >> But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin >> Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? >> I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at >> least have a plan. >> Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholeanderson%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 07:03:54 2013 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 00:03:54 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3059797EE76D486F811BDE58A33E7198@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, Perfect, you can write articles about the Paralympics and start circulating them through America. If you wanted, you could start a blog and write articles about your favorite athletes and follow them throughout the year. I would try doing this and post them around, if you find writing and reporting on the athletes stimulating, ask your Rehabilitation councilor to change your goal to English and get an English major with a focus in Journalism. Being a TVI is super hard and unless you are willing to work yourself to the bone, 14 hours a day and get certified in Braille and mobility, don't do it. You could contract out with DOR to offer Braille teaching and teach adults Braille, that would probably be much better. But Sports and Braille seem to be your two passions, so why not focus on those. If I were you, I would get my hands on as much sports articles I could and constantly read on what is going on in the sporting world. Perhaps find one or two sports you specialize in and know everything about those. I have found that tighter your goal and interest, easier it is to complete. Be open to change, but need a good reason to consider deviating from what your plan is. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Kerri Kosten Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 4:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing listand get certified ; Ed McDonald ; karen Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... Hi Everyone: Last night, I did some more thinking. I believe I have come up with a plan, and thought I'd share to get everyone's thoughts. I decided to change the subject line. The problem is I don't know what my passion is. I suffer from very very low self-esteem and lack belief/confidence in myself. As I said in my previous message, I have no problems doing things for someone else, but when it comes to myself and what I want to do this is where I majorly struggle. My other problem is that because of lack of confidence when I think of my interests I question myself and convince myself out of it. There is a difference between just liking something and actually doing it for a career and being good at it. Maybe I just don't know what I am really good at. Okay, here are my interests and potential career plan. My interests are sports, braille, rehabilitation counseling, rehabilitation teaching, journalism, reading, writing, and communications. Here is what I was thinking. I really love sports. When I went to WVU before, I was a journalism major because I thought I wanted to be a sportswriter. I was thinking I'd finish my journalism degree. I say journalism because I feel it could teach me a lot of transferable skills that could help me in other areas and I could learn to become a better writer. I could also try to better figure out whether I want to actually be a sportswriter. My top interests besides sports are rehabilitation counseling, rehabilitation teaching, and braille. I figured if after I got my journalism degree, I could get my master's in either rehabilitation counseling, rehabilitation teaching, or teaching blind students. I need to probably say I've never had any real experiences teaching, but I am an excellent braille reader, and with there being such a shortage with braille teachers I figure I could do something with that. The same with rehabilitation teaching. While I have no experience with teaching, again, I do have skills and figure I could teach them. I became interested in rehabilitation counseling when I joined the NFB. I became very passionate about seeing blind people reach their full potential and getting the training they need. I also have severe hearing loss in addition to my blindness so I am also passionate about seeing others who have severe hearing loss in addition to blindness reach their full potential. My problem is though, I have no trouble writing or speaking about these interests but when it comes to doing things/taking action I struggle and become nervous and lose confidence in myself and then convince myself I can't do it. I can talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk I have no idea and that is where I lose confidence in myself and become negative. Does what I wrote above sound like a good plan? Do others struggle with this whole thing about being afraid and unsure when it comes to taking action and convincing yourself you can't do it? In West Virginia, we do not have a community college. I live in the same town as West Virginia University, which is the state landgrand institution. I am no longer in high school;I graduated in 2006. Thanks so much for your input and thoughts! Kerri _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 14:07:52 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 09:07:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS In-Reply-To: <4993F8A8-3879-47A1-A1AC-52FE134CA3F3@gmail.com> References: <00a601ce6388$25ff1820$71fd4860$@gmail.com> <-4486780408239175357@unknownmsgid> <32FE7F8D-A8D4-4A3F-9A49-B35E4A9F65AC@gmail.com> <-5122357702488205728@unknownmsgid> <4993F8A8-3879-47A1-A1AC-52FE134CA3F3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4600833375403397164@unknownmsgid> Awesome! See you there! Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Ashlee g wrote: > yes. i will be going and i cannot wait. > > AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. > > On Jun 8, 2013, at 11:17, christopher nusbaum wrote: > >> Ashley, >> >> Does this mean you will be at the convention? If so, see you (and the >> rest of y'all) in Orlando!! >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Ashlee g wrote: >> >>> thank you. floridia, here we come >>> >>> AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. >>> >>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:52, Hope Paulos wrote: >>> >>>> Congratulations! Keep up the great work! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:44 AM, christopher nusbaum wrote: >>>> >>>>> Justin, >>>>> >>>>> I believe it is American Sign Language. Congratulations, Ashley, on a >>>>> job well done! >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 8, 2013, at 9:09 AM, justin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Congradulations. Outstanding. Great job. >>>>>> What is ASL? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashlee g >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:32 AM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] GOOD NEWS >>>>>> >>>>>> hi everyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> i graduate from my ASL 2 this tuesday night! I graduated from ASL 1! I have >>>>>> more classes to go, and I will take them. But I so proud of me! They have a >>>>>> person who sits with me and signs in my hands. THy have tactile letters, >>>>>> andd for me, large print pictures! THey are use to deaf blind. and they are >>>>>> great with autistic people. I hear in 1 ear, so that is part of my problem >>>>>> with with communication. But my teachers are use to blind people. she is >>>>>> great! anyone who lives in baltimore, and wants to take ASL, please email me >>>>>> off list. >>>>>> >>>>>> AUTISTIC PEOPLE, ARE GOD'S PEOPLE. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 >>>>>> gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 14:27:14 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 09:27:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Temporarily Unsubscribing from Lists In-Reply-To: <000601ce639c$274563b0$75d02b10$@gmail.com> References: <2530132822066196167@unknownmsgid> <000601ce639c$274563b0$75d02b10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-460095070229005774@unknownmsgid> Awesome! See you there! Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2013, at 11:27 AM, justin wrote: > Good luck. I'll be in Orlando, and will make sure to say high. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher > nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 12:24 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Blind Talk Mailing > List; NFB Talk Mailing List; nfvmd at nfbnet.org; mdabs; > greater-baltimore at nfb.org; mm-friends at acbradio.org; ACBRadio Friends List > Subject: [nabs-l] Temporarily Unsubscribing from Lists > > Hello all, > > I would like to let everyone know that I will be temporarily unsubscribing > from all lists to which I am currently subscribed this afternoon or tomorrow > morning. I'm doing this because I will start my training at the Louisiana > Center for the Blind's STEP Program tomorrow and will be here in Louisiana > until August 3. While I will still have access to email while at LCB, I feel > that it is best to unsubscribe from lists so I can keep in better contact > with family and friends back home in Maryland who want to keep in touch with > me privately, considering the limited time I will have to look at email. > > If you would like to contact me at any time while I'm in Louisiana, feel > free to email me off-list at dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com. I hope to see many of > you at the NFB national convention in Orlando! In the meantime, enjoy the > discussion on the lists without my annoying contributions. LOL! Talk with > you all again in August! > > Thanks, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Sun Jun 9 15:02:05 2013 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:02:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... In-Reply-To: <3059797EE76D486F811BDE58A33E7198@BrandonsLaptop2> References: <3059797EE76D486F811BDE58A33E7198@BrandonsLaptop2> Message-ID: <50F8C67F-FFD1-45DE-93EC-0E9FBF09886D@fuse.net> The blog could down the road get you job offers if you kept with it. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2013, at 3:03 AM, "Brandon Keith Biggs" wrote: > Hello, > Perfect, you can write articles about the Paralympics and start circulating them through America. > If you wanted, you could start a blog and write articles about your favorite athletes and follow them throughout the year. > I would try doing this and post them around, if you find writing and reporting on the athletes stimulating, ask your Rehabilitation councilor to change your goal to English and get an English major with a focus in Journalism. Being a TVI is super hard and unless you are willing to work yourself to the bone, 14 hours a day and get certified in Braille and mobility, don't do it. > You could contract out with DOR to offer Braille teaching and teach adults Braille, that would probably be much better. But Sports and Braille seem to be your two passions, so why not focus on those. > If I were you, I would get my hands on as much sports articles I could and constantly read on what is going on in the sporting world. Perhaps find one or two sports you specialize in and know everything about those. I have found that tighter your goal and interest, easier it is to complete. Be open to change, but need a good reason to consider deviating from what your plan is. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > -----Original Message----- From: Kerri Kosten > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 4:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing listand get certified ; Ed McDonald ; karen > Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... > > Hi Everyone: > > Last night, I did some more thinking. I believe I have come up with a > plan, and thought I'd share to get everyone's thoughts. I decided to > change the subject line. > The problem is I don't know what my passion is. I suffer from very > very low self-esteem and lack belief/confidence in myself. As I said > in my previous message, I have no problems doing things for someone > else, but when it comes to myself and what I want to do this is where > I majorly struggle. From devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net Sun Jun 9 18:45:50 2013 From: devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2013 12:45:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51B4CD5E.4070803@pcdesk.net> Kerri, I struggled in a similar way. It wasn't really because of low self asteam, it was more a question of being "lost" and also being frustrated at the way life was for me at that point. This was back in 2009. I had been laid off from my job, and I was having trouble finding another one because of the fact I didn't have a college degree. Here's what helped me, and I think it would help in your case as well. You've decided what your interests are, and that's good. Now, what you should do is to decide how you think you want to pursue them. You mentioned college; that's a reasonable way to start your pursuit. So, now you need to take the next step. Don't try to think of all steps you have to take all at once, or you'll overwhelm yourself and fall victem to the self confidence thing again. The next logical step would be to investigate the college you're considering. I suggest speaking to advising and or career services at the college; they may even be able to make some suggestions as to what academic and career paths you should consider based on your interests and aptitudes. Also speak to disability services at the college about which acommodations you may need so you can get a feel for how the office operates. Some are better than others, and it's good to know what resources they will assist you with and which you'll need to find a way to obtain in some other way. Joe From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 19:00:34 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 15:00:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... In-Reply-To: <51B4CD5E.4070803@pcdesk.net> References: <51B4CD5E.4070803@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: Hi Kerri, To go off of what others have said, here are a few strategies I've used/am using now as I figure out what I'm going to do. Even though I have a major and a career path figured out, I'm going through something similar in that I'm trying to figure out which population I want to work with in the future. As far as academics go, meeting with an academic and career advisor would be a great place to start. As Elizabeth and Arielle said, breaking down the requirements into smaller chunks is a great idea. I struggle with this as I am a planner and like to have everything lined up, but my adviser gave me this curriculum sheet which lists the courses I need to take, the requirements I need for my liberal arts degree including my gen eds, and shows everything listed by semesters. This allows me to see the big picture and feel like everything is planned out, but focus on the next semester or the one after that at most in greater detail when I'm planning out my schedule. A tool like that might be good for putting things in perspective, and can also be a confidence booster. I like to check off the courses I've completed on the sheet so I can see what I've done so far and what is left. Sounds to me like you have a better idea about what you want to do than you think. I think the suggestion s others have given are pretty solid, but I'll say that experience is a great way to figure out where your passions lie as well, and that doesn't always take place in a classroom. E.G, perhaps if you're interested in being a spots writer you could get in contact with one in your area and job shadow for a day or two, show them some writing samples and get feedback, etc. Going out and getting your own experiences also creates networking opportunities which aren't always available in the classroom, and may last even if you change your mind and persue a different field in school. That's all I have for now, but I'll add more if I think of it. Hope this helps. On 6/9/13, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: > Kerri, > I struggled in a similar way. It wasn't really because of low self > asteam, it was more a question of being "lost" and also being frustrated > at the way life was for me at that point. This was back in 2009. I had > been laid off from my job, and I was having trouble finding another one > because of the fact I didn't have a college degree. > > Here's what helped me, and I think it would help in your case as well. > You've decided what your interests are, and that's good. Now, what you > should do is to decide how you think you want to pursue them. You > mentioned college; that's a reasonable way to start your pursuit. So, > now you need to take the next step. Don't try to think of all steps you > have to take all at once, or you'll overwhelm yourself and fall victem > to the self confidence thing again. The next logical step would be to > investigate the college you're considering. I suggest speaking to > advising and or career services at the college; they may even be able to > make some suggestions as to what academic and career paths you should > consider based on your interests and aptitudes. Also speak to disability > services at the college about which acommodations you may need so you > can get a feel for how the office operates. Some are better than others, > and it's good to know what resources they will assist you with and which > you'll need to find a way to obtain in some other way. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 19:16:34 2013 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 15:16:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: <20AA59A960F641D081DF176568BD4D55@HP30910210001> Message-ID: And yet, is that really what we want to be teaching our children? You're not good enough unless you're great? I'm sorry, but that attitude kills me. We want to be accepted as normal, functioning members of society who just happen to be blind. And, on the spectrum of humanity, there are all kinds of people. So why can't a blind person be average? We have this double standard that says we have to be above and beyond in everything we do, otherwise we're considered substandard, and thus a bad reflection on all blind people. Which is it? On 6/9/13, Dave Webster wrote: > My problem was that growing up since I have been blind my whole life in > school it was always since you're blind you have to be doing it better and > cleaner than the other guy. I realize that my parents had probably ben > using that just for motivation and that type of motivation is a natural > thing for parents to do. Hell I'd do it. If my child were blind, which > incidently I have no children but if any of them were blind and I were > sighted I'd probably say the same thing. I though would probably say since > > you're blind you don't necessarily need to be doing it better than anyone > else but you need to do just as good as everyone else does. Its kind of the > > theory that they teach at the nfb training centers and that is its not > enough just to get by. Its not enough just to be average. > > -----Original Message----- > From: melissa Green > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... > > really good points Arielle. > I completely agree we are put under more pressure than others to have a > career. > IMO we are also told what career we should go into. > For example, you are blind so go teach other blind people, or you are blind > technology is wonderful for you. > I wonder do sighted people get put through the career tests as much as we > do > as blind people. > > Blessings, > Melissa and Pj > "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... > > > Hi Kerri, > > I think this is an excellent question. I would bet that virtually all > blind people and virtually all sighted people have struggled with this > issue. I have sighted research assistants who have graduated college > and are unsure what to do afterward. Even my father, who was a > successful doctor for twenty years, has struggled with career change > decisions and made a substantial switch in his job in his mid-fifties. > There are a multitude of careers and jobs out there, and it is hard to > choose what you want to do and how that lines up with the jobs that > are actually out there. > I think this is a common issue that has little to do with blindness or > being in training. However, I think there is a huge amount of pressure > placed on blind people to pick a career path as soon as they graduate > high school and to stick with that path forever. In my opinion this > expectation is unrealistic and puts too much pressure on young people > without motivating them. I have heard that the average person switches > jobs every three to five years. Plenty of folks get a degree, work in > one career for a while, then decide to re-train and do something else. > There is nothing wrong with that. > The suggestion I give most people is to just pick something you like, > either a job opportunity that comes up or a college major, and just > stay with it for as long as you like, knowing that you can always > change your mind and do something else later. You can tell voc rehab > that it is your career plan, and if you change your mind later, so be > it. > I also think that finding good mentors in whatever job or college > major you pick is really important for staying motivated. I had > mentors in college who gave me clear and supportive guidance about > what direction to go into, and now my mentors in grad school are > giving me the motivation I need to keep going toward my degree (which > I still don't quite know what I'm doing afterward). It sounds like you > had excellent mentors in training and you can find good mentors in > work and school settings as well. In order to find them, though, you > will need to take a step out and pick something to do, either a job or > a degree. There are plenty of professional folks who want to take on > young people as mentees, in the work world as well as in the NFB. > I believe there are several jobs a blind person could do with just a > high school degree, but getting a college degree will greatly increase > your options. If VR is supporting you, there is little cost in going > to college and getting a degree. While the degree will help you, the > mentoring connections you could make in college, through classes and > extracurricular activities, is equally if not more helpful > > Best, > Arielle > > On 6/7/13, brooke anderson wrote: >> My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to work >> at >> the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not be >> something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind >> that >> you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will think >> that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you can. >> do >> not give up. >> Nichole. >> >> send from my galaxy note ii >> On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone: >>> >>> I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to >>> keep this very general and just ask my questions. >>> Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a >>> career? >>> How did you pick your major? >>> If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out >>> what you were passionate about/wanted to do? >>> How did you find internal motivation? >>> How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? >>> What jobs can blind people do without a degree? >>> What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves >>> until they find direction? >>> I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did >>> really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply >>> now in the situation I am in because those goals were training >>> specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a >>> routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or >>> knew what I needed to work on in each class. >>> I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and >>> don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and >>> telling me what to do. >>> My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really >>> respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as >>> hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just >>> left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find >>> motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. >>> Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing >>> after training or am I the only one? >>> How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and >>> what you wanted to do? >>> The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I >>> really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have >>> a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think >>> that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am >>> motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather >>> than sitting around. >>> But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin >>> Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? >>> I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at >>> least have a plan. >>> Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! >>> Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholeanderson%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From kobycox at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 19:44:34 2013 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 14:44:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Desiree, Can you please email me off-list? My email address Is as follows: kobycox at gmail.com. Thanks, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 2:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... And yet, is that really what we want to be teaching our children? You're not good enough unless you're great? I'm sorry, but that attitude kills me. We want to be accepted as normal, functioning members of society who just happen to be blind. And, on the spectrum of humanity, there are all kinds of people. So why can't a blind person be average? We have this double standard that says we have to be above and beyond in everything we do, otherwise we're considered substandard, and thus a bad reflection on all blind people. Which is it? On 6/9/13, Dave Webster wrote: > My problem was that growing up since I have been blind my whole life in > school it was always since you're blind you have to be doing it better and > cleaner than the other guy. I realize that my parents had probably ben > using that just for motivation and that type of motivation is a natural > thing for parents to do. Hell I'd do it. If my child were blind, which > incidently I have no children but if any of them were blind and I were > sighted I'd probably say the same thing. I though would probably say since > > you're blind you don't necessarily need to be doing it better than anyone > else but you need to do just as good as everyone else does. Its kind of the > > theory that they teach at the nfb training centers and that is its not > enough just to get by. Its not enough just to be average. > > -----Original Message----- > From: melissa Green > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... > > really good points Arielle. > I completely agree we are put under more pressure than others to have a > career. > IMO we are also told what career we should go into. > For example, you are blind so go teach other blind people, or you are blind > technology is wonderful for you. > I wonder do sighted people get put through the career tests as much as we > do > as blind people. > > Blessings, > Melissa and Pj > "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... > > > Hi Kerri, > > I think this is an excellent question. I would bet that virtually all > blind people and virtually all sighted people have struggled with this > issue. I have sighted research assistants who have graduated college > and are unsure what to do afterward. Even my father, who was a > successful doctor for twenty years, has struggled with career change > decisions and made a substantial switch in his job in his mid-fifties. > There are a multitude of careers and jobs out there, and it is hard to > choose what you want to do and how that lines up with the jobs that > are actually out there. > I think this is a common issue that has little to do with blindness or > being in training. However, I think there is a huge amount of pressure > placed on blind people to pick a career path as soon as they graduate > high school and to stick with that path forever. In my opinion this > expectation is unrealistic and puts too much pressure on young people > without motivating them. I have heard that the average person switches > jobs every three to five years. Plenty of folks get a degree, work in > one career for a while, then decide to re-train and do something else. > There is nothing wrong with that. > The suggestion I give most people is to just pick something you like, > either a job opportunity that comes up or a college major, and just > stay with it for as long as you like, knowing that you can always > change your mind and do something else later. You can tell voc rehab > that it is your career plan, and if you change your mind later, so be > it. > I also think that finding good mentors in whatever job or college > major you pick is really important for staying motivated. I had > mentors in college who gave me clear and supportive guidance about > what direction to go into, and now my mentors in grad school are > giving me the motivation I need to keep going toward my degree (which > I still don't quite know what I'm doing afterward). It sounds like you > had excellent mentors in training and you can find good mentors in > work and school settings as well. In order to find them, though, you > will need to take a step out and pick something to do, either a job or > a degree. There are plenty of professional folks who want to take on > young people as mentees, in the work world as well as in the NFB. > I believe there are several jobs a blind person could do with just a > high school degree, but getting a college degree will greatly increase > your options. If VR is supporting you, there is little cost in going > to college and getting a degree. While the degree will help you, the > mentoring connections you could make in college, through classes and > extracurricular activities, is equally if not more helpful > > Best, > Arielle > > On 6/7/13, brooke anderson wrote: >> My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to work >> at >> the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not be >> something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind >> that >> you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will think >> that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you can. >> do >> not give up. >> Nichole. >> >> send from my galaxy note ii >> On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone: >>> >>> I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to >>> keep this very general and just ask my questions. >>> Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a >>> career? >>> How did you pick your major? >>> If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out >>> what you were passionate about/wanted to do? >>> How did you find internal motivation? >>> How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? >>> What jobs can blind people do without a degree? >>> What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves >>> until they find direction? >>> I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did >>> really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply >>> now in the situation I am in because those goals were training >>> specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a >>> routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or >>> knew what I needed to work on in each class. >>> I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and >>> don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and >>> telling me what to do. >>> My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really >>> respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as >>> hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just >>> left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find >>> motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. >>> Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing >>> after training or am I the only one? >>> How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and >>> what you wanted to do? >>> The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I >>> really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have >>> a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think >>> that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am >>> motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather >>> than sitting around. >>> But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin >>> Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? >>> I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at >>> least have a plan. >>> Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! >>> Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholean derson%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gma il.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gma il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40g mail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%4 0gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail .com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 20:35:30 2013 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 16:35:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: <20AA59A960F641D081DF176568BD4D55@HP30910210001> Message-ID: Hi all, Desiree, thank you so much for posting your message. This is been something that I have been pondering lately. As a parent I deathly do not want my child to think that she has to be better than the best to be recognized. Unfortunately, I think this is a message that our society sense to children. As students you happen to be blind we represent all facets of the student population. Some of us are average, some of us are overachievers, and some of us try to do our best NRC's students. All of these Segments are worthwhile. They don't detract from the character of the person. I really hope that all students can be represented within this organization. Even if you're not the top scholarship winner Or straight a student who started out in college when they were 18 and finished when they were 22 You have value and worth. We all have something to contribute to this organization. We all have something worthwhile to teach people about what it means to be blind. We don't have to be the best of the best to have value or to Make changes happen. I always enjoy seeing a student You might be just your average person who struggles with science and math make it to the top. I deathly represent the average student. :) Sent from Anjelina's iPhone On Jun 9, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > And yet, is that really what we want to be teaching our children? > You're not good enough unless you're great? I'm sorry, but that > attitude kills me. We want to be accepted as normal, functioning > members of society who just happen to be blind. And, on the spectrum > of humanity, there are all kinds of people. So why can't a blind > person be average? We have this double standard that says we have to > be above and beyond in everything we do, otherwise we're considered > substandard, and thus a bad reflection on all blind people. Which is > it? > > On 6/9/13, Dave Webster wrote: >> My problem was that growing up since I have been blind my whole life in >> school it was always since you're blind you have to be doing it better and >> cleaner than the other guy. I realize that my parents had probably ben >> using that just for motivation and that type of motivation is a natural >> thing for parents to do. Hell I'd do it. If my child were blind, which >> incidently I have no children but if any of them were blind and I were >> sighted I'd probably say the same thing. I though would probably say since >> >> you're blind you don't necessarily need to be doing it better than anyone >> else but you need to do just as good as everyone else does. Its kind of the >> >> theory that they teach at the nfb training centers and that is its not >> enough just to get by. Its not enough just to be average. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: melissa Green >> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:28 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... >> >> really good points Arielle. >> I completely agree we are put under more pressure than others to have a >> career. >> IMO we are also told what career we should go into. >> For example, you are blind so go teach other blind people, or you are blind >> technology is wonderful for you. >> I wonder do sighted people get put through the career tests as much as we >> do >> as blind people. >> >> Blessings, >> Melissa and Pj >> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >> facebook Melissa R Green >> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >> skype: lissa5674 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... >> >> >> Hi Kerri, >> >> I think this is an excellent question. I would bet that virtually all >> blind people and virtually all sighted people have struggled with this >> issue. I have sighted research assistants who have graduated college >> and are unsure what to do afterward. Even my father, who was a >> successful doctor for twenty years, has struggled with career change >> decisions and made a substantial switch in his job in his mid-fifties. >> There are a multitude of careers and jobs out there, and it is hard to >> choose what you want to do and how that lines up with the jobs that >> are actually out there. >> I think this is a common issue that has little to do with blindness or >> being in training. However, I think there is a huge amount of pressure >> placed on blind people to pick a career path as soon as they graduate >> high school and to stick with that path forever. In my opinion this >> expectation is unrealistic and puts too much pressure on young people >> without motivating them. I have heard that the average person switches >> jobs every three to five years. Plenty of folks get a degree, work in >> one career for a while, then decide to re-train and do something else. >> There is nothing wrong with that. >> The suggestion I give most people is to just pick something you like, >> either a job opportunity that comes up or a college major, and just >> stay with it for as long as you like, knowing that you can always >> change your mind and do something else later. You can tell voc rehab >> that it is your career plan, and if you change your mind later, so be >> it. >> I also think that finding good mentors in whatever job or college >> major you pick is really important for staying motivated. I had >> mentors in college who gave me clear and supportive guidance about >> what direction to go into, and now my mentors in grad school are >> giving me the motivation I need to keep going toward my degree (which >> I still don't quite know what I'm doing afterward). It sounds like you >> had excellent mentors in training and you can find good mentors in >> work and school settings as well. In order to find them, though, you >> will need to take a step out and pick something to do, either a job or >> a degree. There are plenty of professional folks who want to take on >> young people as mentees, in the work world as well as in the NFB. >> I believe there are several jobs a blind person could do with just a >> high school degree, but getting a college degree will greatly increase >> your options. If VR is supporting you, there is little cost in going >> to college and getting a degree. While the degree will help you, the >> mentoring connections you could make in college, through classes and >> extracurricular activities, is equally if not more helpful >> >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 6/7/13, brooke anderson wrote: >>> My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to work >>> at >>> the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not be >>> something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind >>> that >>> you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will think >>> that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you can. >>> do >>> not give up. >>> Nichole. >>> >>> send from my galaxy note ii >>> On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Everyone: >>>> >>>> I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to >>>> keep this very general and just ask my questions. >>>> Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a >>>> career? >>>> How did you pick your major? >>>> If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out >>>> what you were passionate about/wanted to do? >>>> How did you find internal motivation? >>>> How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? >>>> What jobs can blind people do without a degree? >>>> What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves >>>> until they find direction? >>>> I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did >>>> really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply >>>> now in the situation I am in because those goals were training >>>> specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a >>>> routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or >>>> knew what I needed to work on in each class. >>>> I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and >>>> don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and >>>> telling me what to do. >>>> My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really >>>> respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as >>>> hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just >>>> left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find >>>> motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. >>>> Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing >>>> after training or am I the only one? >>>> How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and >>>> what you wanted to do? >>>> The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I >>>> really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have >>>> a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think >>>> that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am >>>> motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather >>>> than sitting around. >>>> But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin >>>> Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? >>>> I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at >>>> least have a plan. >>>> Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholeanderson%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 21:05:33 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 17:05:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center In-Reply-To: <-5204814487866836668@unknownmsgid> References: <51b1edde.e732ec0a.1e00.ffff8257@mx.google.com> <51F3723D-C789-4747-BDB3-D2B922EC3ADA@gmail.com> <-5204814487866836668@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <997FE579-37BB-447C-8F74-68C7240FFA6E@gmail.com> I agree there is no reason to email about this off list. It seems very appropriate. Im not really sure what the question is though. Do you already have one picked out? If not, start looking at which one would be best for you. If you do then which one is it and Im sure the staff at te center will answer the question of how to prepare, also finding people that have gone to that center can tell you what they did to prepare. I think the best person to ask would be the director or some staff from that particular center. Anna On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:11 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > FYI, Blind, Inc. is in Minnesota. The training center in Maryland is > Blind Industries and Services of Maryland (BISM.) Please don't get the > 3 NFB training centers and BISM confused—they are very different. I > will not go into details here, but you can read my article in the June > Braille Monitor if you would like more information on the differences. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:53 AM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" > wrote: > >> Hello everybody, I am actually preparing to attend the Colorado Center for the blind starting in August! Go, Denver! :-) Here's What happens first, I talked to my vocational rehabilitation counselor about why I needed training at an NFB training center. Of course, I also talked to my parents LOL! I am actually in the midst of the next process right now, trying to get all the appropriate paperwork filled out. Then I should be set to start up there in August, and I really can't wait to return to one of my favorite destinations! I have attended both the middle school and high school programs through the Colorado Center for the blind, and would strongly recommend it! I cannot speak for the Louisiana Center for the blind or blind Inc. in Maryland, I have not had any experience with those. >> >> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >> >> On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >>> Koby, while I admire your urge to help, I think that this discussion should be kept on-list. Many others who haven't attended a center (like me) are probably also curious about this. >>> >>> Best, >>> Sophie >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Koby Cox >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Date sent: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:51:19 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center >>> >>> Can you email me off list so that I can help you with this? My email address Is: >>> kobycox at gmail.com >>> Koby >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: >>> >>> Dear Nabs Members, >>> >>> Recently I read the articles about the three Nfb training centers that were published in the Braille Monitor. How do you prepare to attend one of these training centers? Please respond as soon as possible. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpea >>> reader%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 01:15:26 2013 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (nabs.president at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 21:15:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing Message-ID: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> Hello, I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something that you found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The impression I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they do take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for writing to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization of the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with many other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last year. We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list and put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have held a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a mentoring program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place in Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the NFB as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike who hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and affiliates. I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do not appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called out for doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what NABS or the board could be doing better are always welcome at nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be it positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy that many individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make progress on issues of importance to all of us. Thank you, Sean Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students (608) 332-4147 Nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 02:30:03 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 21:30:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-2012478511356281373@unknownmsgid> I also found the monthly updates to be very useful, and I always looked forward to reading them. Furthermore, as a board member of the Maryland student division, I found them to be a great resource to forward on to the folks in our division to give them an update on what national is doing. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2013, at 8:15 PM, "nabs.president at gmail.com" wrote: > Hello, > > > > I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something that you > found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The impression > I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they do > take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for writing > to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. > > > > Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization of > the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with many > other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last year. > We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state > conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list and > put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative > membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have held > a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a mentoring > program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place in > Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the NFB > as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike who > hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and affiliates. > > > > I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do not > appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called out for > doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what NABS > or the board could be doing better are always welcome at > nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be it > positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy that many > individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make > progress on issues of importance to all of us. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Sean > > > > Sean Whalen > > President, National Association of Blind Students > > (608) 332-4147 > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 02:39:48 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 21:39:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: <20AA59A960F641D081DF176568BD4D55@HP30910210001> Message-ID: <-7013408799757731435@unknownmsgid> Amen! I sometimes stress out about not being a good enough students were being behind my fellow students, let alone other blind students. However, there is a comforting realization for me that there are other blind students who are also Struggling in the same areas. Currently, IAM in Louisiana. What's so awesome about the counselor here is that they have been where we are now. They've struggled in some areas and excelled in others. Anyone who is been through training understands this. I think that when one has teachers who can also serve as role models and mentors who have been where we are, it helps us succeed. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Anjelina wrote: > Hi all, Desiree, thank you so much for posting your message. This is been something that I have been pondering lately. As a parent I deathly do not want my child to think that she has to be better than the best to be recognized. Unfortunately, I think this is a message that our society sense to children. As students you happen to be blind we represent all facets of the student population. Some of us are average, some of us are overachievers, and some of us try to do our best NRC's students. All of these Segments are worthwhile. They don't detract from the character of the person. I really hope that all students can be represented within this organization. Even if you're not the top scholarship winner Or straight a student who started out in college when they were 18 and finished when they were 22 You have value and worth. We all have something to contribute to this organization. We all have something worthwhile to teach people about what it means to be blind. We don't have to be the best of the best to have value or to Make changes happen. I always enjoy seeing a student You might be just your average person who struggles with science and math make it to the top. I deathly represent the average student. :) > > Sent from Anjelina's iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > >> And yet, is that really what we want to be teaching our children? >> You're not good enough unless you're great? I'm sorry, but that >> attitude kills me. We want to be accepted as normal, functioning >> members of society who just happen to be blind. And, on the spectrum >> of humanity, there are all kinds of people. So why can't a blind >> person be average? We have this double standard that says we have to >> be above and beyond in everything we do, otherwise we're considered >> substandard, and thus a bad reflection on all blind people. Which is >> it? >> >> On 6/9/13, Dave Webster wrote: >>> My problem was that growing up since I have been blind my whole life in >>> school it was always since you're blind you have to be doing it better and >>> cleaner than the other guy. I realize that my parents had probably ben >>> using that just for motivation and that type of motivation is a natural >>> thing for parents to do. Hell I'd do it. If my child were blind, which >>> incidently I have no children but if any of them were blind and I were >>> sighted I'd probably say the same thing. I though would probably say since >>> >>> you're blind you don't necessarily need to be doing it better than anyone >>> else but you need to do just as good as everyone else does. Its kind of the >>> >>> theory that they teach at the nfb training centers and that is its not >>> enough just to get by. Its not enough just to be average. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: melissa Green >>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:28 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... >>> >>> really good points Arielle. >>> I completely agree we are put under more pressure than others to have a >>> career. >>> IMO we are also told what career we should go into. >>> For example, you are blind so go teach other blind people, or you are blind >>> technology is wonderful for you. >>> I wonder do sighted people get put through the career tests as much as we >>> do >>> as blind people. >>> >>> Blessings, >>> Melissa and Pj >>> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >>> facebook Melissa R Green >>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >>> skype: lissa5674 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... >>> >>> >>> Hi Kerri, >>> >>> I think this is an excellent question. I would bet that virtually all >>> blind people and virtually all sighted people have struggled with this >>> issue. I have sighted research assistants who have graduated college >>> and are unsure what to do afterward. Even my father, who was a >>> successful doctor for twenty years, has struggled with career change >>> decisions and made a substantial switch in his job in his mid-fifties. >>> There are a multitude of careers and jobs out there, and it is hard to >>> choose what you want to do and how that lines up with the jobs that >>> are actually out there. >>> I think this is a common issue that has little to do with blindness or >>> being in training. However, I think there is a huge amount of pressure >>> placed on blind people to pick a career path as soon as they graduate >>> high school and to stick with that path forever. In my opinion this >>> expectation is unrealistic and puts too much pressure on young people >>> without motivating them. I have heard that the average person switches >>> jobs every three to five years. Plenty of folks get a degree, work in >>> one career for a while, then decide to re-train and do something else. >>> There is nothing wrong with that. >>> The suggestion I give most people is to just pick something you like, >>> either a job opportunity that comes up or a college major, and just >>> stay with it for as long as you like, knowing that you can always >>> change your mind and do something else later. You can tell voc rehab >>> that it is your career plan, and if you change your mind later, so be >>> it. >>> I also think that finding good mentors in whatever job or college >>> major you pick is really important for staying motivated. I had >>> mentors in college who gave me clear and supportive guidance about >>> what direction to go into, and now my mentors in grad school are >>> giving me the motivation I need to keep going toward my degree (which >>> I still don't quite know what I'm doing afterward). It sounds like you >>> had excellent mentors in training and you can find good mentors in >>> work and school settings as well. In order to find them, though, you >>> will need to take a step out and pick something to do, either a job or >>> a degree. There are plenty of professional folks who want to take on >>> young people as mentees, in the work world as well as in the NFB. >>> I believe there are several jobs a blind person could do with just a >>> high school degree, but getting a college degree will greatly increase >>> your options. If VR is supporting you, there is little cost in going >>> to college and getting a degree. While the degree will help you, the >>> mentoring connections you could make in college, through classes and >>> extracurricular activities, is equally if not more helpful >>> >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 6/7/13, brooke anderson wrote: >>>> My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to work >>>> at >>>> the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not be >>>> something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind >>>> that >>>> you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will think >>>> that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you can. >>>> do >>>> not give up. >>>> Nichole. >>>> >>>> send from my galaxy note ii >>>> On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone: >>>>> >>>>> I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to >>>>> keep this very general and just ask my questions. >>>>> Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a >>>>> career? >>>>> How did you pick your major? >>>>> If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out >>>>> what you were passionate about/wanted to do? >>>>> How did you find internal motivation? >>>>> How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? >>>>> What jobs can blind people do without a degree? >>>>> What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves >>>>> until they find direction? >>>>> I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did >>>>> really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply >>>>> now in the situation I am in because those goals were training >>>>> specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a >>>>> routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or >>>>> knew what I needed to work on in each class. >>>>> I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and >>>>> don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and >>>>> telling me what to do. >>>>> My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really >>>>> respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as >>>>> hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just >>>>> left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find >>>>> motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. >>>>> Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing >>>>> after training or am I the only one? >>>>> How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and >>>>> what you wanted to do? >>>>> The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I >>>>> really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have >>>>> a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think >>>>> that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am >>>>> motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather >>>>> than sitting around. >>>>> But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin >>>>> Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? >>>>> I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at >>>>> least have a plan. >>>>> Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! >>>>> Kerri >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholeanderson%40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From wmodnl at hotmail.com Mon Jun 10 05:13:25 2013 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 01:13:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: <20AA59A960F641D081DF176568BD4D55@HP30910210001> Message-ID: If you are not doing better than the rest, everyone will surpass you. As blind people, we are automatically put in a position to "write the wrongs" of society as it pertains to blind people. I would be curious to find statistics regarding this as it pertains to disability, and minority' in general. I have heard many say that, disability and blindness should also be considered within minority groups since we are a uncounted statistic regarding employment, public well fair, etc. The other issue is that, in our culture, there is Unfortunately no room for error or you to just be human, with its "privilege (S). Whether it is wrong or write, you have to some-how fit in to one of those standards or you will never make it. Sent from my iPad On Jun 9, 2013, at 3:17 PM, "Desiree Oudinot" wrote: > And yet, is that really what we want to be teaching our children? > You're not good enough unless you're great? I'm sorry, but that > attitude kills me. We want to be accepted as normal, functioning > members of society who just happen to be blind. And, on the spectrum > of humanity, there are all kinds of people. So why can't a blind > person be average? We have this double standard that says we have to > be above and beyond in everything we do, otherwise we're considered > substandard, and thus a bad reflection on all blind people. Which is > it? > > On 6/9/13, Dave Webster wrote: >> My problem was that growing up since I have been blind my whole life in >> school it was always since you're blind you have to be doing it better and >> cleaner than the other guy. I realize that my parents had probably ben >> using that just for motivation and that type of motivation is a natural >> thing for parents to do. Hell I'd do it. If my child were blind, which >> incidently I have no children but if any of them were blind and I were >> sighted I'd probably say the same thing. I though would probably say since >> >> you're blind you don't necessarily need to be doing it better than anyone >> else but you need to do just as good as everyone else does. Its kind of the >> >> theory that they teach at the nfb training centers and that is its not >> enough just to get by. Its not enough just to be average. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: melissa Green >> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:28 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... >> >> really good points Arielle. >> I completely agree we are put under more pressure than others to have a >> career. >> IMO we are also told what career we should go into. >> For example, you are blind so go teach other blind people, or you are blind >> technology is wonderful for you. >> I wonder do sighted people get put through the career tests as much as we >> do >> as blind people. >> >> Blessings, >> Melissa and Pj >> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >> facebook Melissa R Green >> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >> skype: lissa5674 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... >> >> >> Hi Kerri, >> >> I think this is an excellent question. I would bet that virtually all >> blind people and virtually all sighted people have struggled with this >> issue. I have sighted research assistants who have graduated college >> and are unsure what to do afterward. Even my father, who was a >> successful doctor for twenty years, has struggled with career change >> decisions and made a substantial switch in his job in his mid-fifties. >> There are a multitude of careers and jobs out there, and it is hard to >> choose what you want to do and how that lines up with the jobs that >> are actually out there. >> I think this is a common issue that has little to do with blindness or >> being in training. However, I think there is a huge amount of pressure >> placed on blind people to pick a career path as soon as they graduate >> high school and to stick with that path forever. In my opinion this >> expectation is unrealistic and puts too much pressure on young people >> without motivating them. I have heard that the average person switches >> jobs every three to five years. Plenty of folks get a degree, work in >> one career for a while, then decide to re-train and do something else. >> There is nothing wrong with that. >> The suggestion I give most people is to just pick something you like, >> either a job opportunity that comes up or a college major, and just >> stay with it for as long as you like, knowing that you can always >> change your mind and do something else later. You can tell voc rehab >> that it is your career plan, and if you change your mind later, so be >> it. >> I also think that finding good mentors in whatever job or college >> major you pick is really important for staying motivated. I had >> mentors in college who gave me clear and supportive guidance about >> what direction to go into, and now my mentors in grad school are >> giving me the motivation I need to keep going toward my degree (which >> I still don't quite know what I'm doing afterward). It sounds like you >> had excellent mentors in training and you can find good mentors in >> work and school settings as well. In order to find them, though, you >> will need to take a step out and pick something to do, either a job or >> a degree. There are plenty of professional folks who want to take on >> young people as mentees, in the work world as well as in the NFB. >> I believe there are several jobs a blind person could do with just a >> high school degree, but getting a college degree will greatly increase >> your options. If VR is supporting you, there is little cost in going >> to college and getting a degree. While the degree will help you, the >> mentoring connections you could make in college, through classes and >> extracurricular activities, is equally if not more helpful >> >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 6/7/13, brooke anderson wrote: >>> My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to work >>> at >>> the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not be >>> something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind >>> that >>> you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will think >>> that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you can. >>> do >>> not give up. >>> Nichole. >>> >>> send from my galaxy note ii >>> On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Everyone: >>>> >>>> I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to >>>> keep this very general and just ask my questions. >>>> Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a >>>> career? >>>> How did you pick your major? >>>> If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out >>>> what you were passionate about/wanted to do? >>>> How did you find internal motivation? >>>> How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? >>>> What jobs can blind people do without a degree? >>>> What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves >>>> until they find direction? >>>> I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did >>>> really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply >>>> now in the situation I am in because those goals were training >>>> specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a >>>> routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or >>>> knew what I needed to work on in each class. >>>> I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and >>>> don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and >>>> telling me what to do. >>>> My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really >>>> respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as >>>> hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just >>>> left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find >>>> motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. >>>> Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing >>>> after training or am I the only one? >>>> How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and >>>> what you wanted to do? >>>> The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I >>>> really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have >>>> a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think >>>> that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am >>>> motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather >>>> than sitting around. >>>> But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin >>>> Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? >>>> I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at >>>> least have a plan. >>>> Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholeanderson%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Mon Jun 10 06:10:06 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 02:10:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sean, I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be a personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to discount the participation of any particular individual within this organization. I was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this organization being about the members at large and not just the board as mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the goals of the current board is to make the organization about the membership at large and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a growing disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this disconnect take place as well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the monthly updates. I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the things that you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure how I am expected to know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it appears as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the scenes without the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from my observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are some things going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership at large. Since the comment about the organization being about the membership at large and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all of the student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable subject to discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have seen this same disconnect from the membership at large and the board, or if it was just me. I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the monthly updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. Again,, I am sorry you took my email so personally. Warm regards, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM To: Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > Hello, > > > > I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something that > you > found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The > impression > I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they do > take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for > writing > to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. > > > > Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization of > the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with many > other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last > year. > We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state > conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list and > put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative > membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have > held > a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a mentoring > program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place in > Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the NFB > as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike who > hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and affiliates. > > > > I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do not > appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called out > for > doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what > NABS > or the board could be doing better are always welcome at > nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be it > positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy that > many > individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make > progress on issues of importance to all of us. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Sean > > > > Sean Whalen > > President, National Association of Blind Students > > (608) 332-4147 > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 06:56:53 2013 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 02:56:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: <20AA59A960F641D081DF176568BD4D55@HP30910210001> Message-ID: But why is that a bad thing? We're being encouraged to be perfect. I have literally had a family member tell me, flat out, that I had to be perfect, and no, that's not an exaggeration, it really happened. All I'm saying is that no one is perfect, and trying to pressure people into believing that they must be or they'll be left in the dust is extremely unhealthy. That's not even a blind or sighted thing; that's basic psychology. There's only so much of that that a person can take before they just shut down and are unable to do the simplest thing without having an intense fear of failure and pervasive self-doubt. I don't want to go too far into specifics, but that's how I am a lot of the time. While I don't know the person who originally posted this thread, I would take a guess that she feels that way to a certain extent as well. And a lot of that can be traced straight back to the kind of societal conditioning we're discussing now. either you're great or you're nothing, you can't be anywherein the middle. On 6/10/13, wmodnl wmodnl wrote: > If you are not doing better than the rest, everyone will surpass you. As > blind people, we are automatically put in a position to "write the wrongs" > of society as it pertains to blind people. I would be curious to find > statistics regarding this as it pertains to disability, and minority' in > general. I have heard many say that, disability and blindness should also > be considered within minority groups since we are a uncounted statistic > regarding employment, public well fair, etc. The other issue is that, in > our culture, there is Unfortunately no room for error or you to just be > human, with its "privilege (S). Whether it is wrong or write, you have to > some-how fit in to one of those standards or you will never make it. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 9, 2013, at 3:17 PM, "Desiree Oudinot" > wrote: > >> And yet, is that really what we want to be teaching our children? >> You're not good enough unless you're great? I'm sorry, but that >> attitude kills me. We want to be accepted as normal, functioning >> members of society who just happen to be blind. And, on the spectrum >> of humanity, there are all kinds of people. So why can't a blind >> person be average? We have this double standard that says we have to >> be above and beyond in everything we do, otherwise we're considered >> substandard, and thus a bad reflection on all blind people. Which is >> it? >> >> On 6/9/13, Dave Webster wrote: >>> My problem was that growing up since I have been blind my whole life in >>> school it was always since you're blind you have to be doing it better >>> and >>> cleaner than the other guy. I realize that my parents had probably ben >>> using that just for motivation and that type of motivation is a natural >>> thing for parents to do. Hell I'd do it. If my child were blind, which >>> incidently I have no children but if any of them were blind and I were >>> sighted I'd probably say the same thing. I though would probably say >>> since >>> >>> you're blind you don't necessarily need to be doing it better than >>> anyone >>> else but you need to do just as good as everyone else does. Its kind of >>> the >>> >>> theory that they teach at the nfb training centers and that is its not >>> enough just to get by. Its not enough just to be average. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: melissa Green >>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:28 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... >>> >>> really good points Arielle. >>> I completely agree we are put under more pressure than others to have a >>> career. >>> IMO we are also told what career we should go into. >>> For example, you are blind so go teach other blind people, or you are >>> blind >>> technology is wonderful for you. >>> I wonder do sighted people get put through the career tests as much as >>> we >>> do >>> as blind people. >>> >>> Blessings, >>> Melissa and Pj >>> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >>> facebook Melissa R Green >>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >>> skype: lissa5674 >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... >>> >>> >>> Hi Kerri, >>> >>> I think this is an excellent question. I would bet that virtually all >>> blind people and virtually all sighted people have struggled with this >>> issue. I have sighted research assistants who have graduated college >>> and are unsure what to do afterward. Even my father, who was a >>> successful doctor for twenty years, has struggled with career change >>> decisions and made a substantial switch in his job in his mid-fifties. >>> There are a multitude of careers and jobs out there, and it is hard to >>> choose what you want to do and how that lines up with the jobs that >>> are actually out there. >>> I think this is a common issue that has little to do with blindness or >>> being in training. However, I think there is a huge amount of pressure >>> placed on blind people to pick a career path as soon as they graduate >>> high school and to stick with that path forever. In my opinion this >>> expectation is unrealistic and puts too much pressure on young people >>> without motivating them. I have heard that the average person switches >>> jobs every three to five years. Plenty of folks get a degree, work in >>> one career for a while, then decide to re-train and do something else. >>> There is nothing wrong with that. >>> The suggestion I give most people is to just pick something you like, >>> either a job opportunity that comes up or a college major, and just >>> stay with it for as long as you like, knowing that you can always >>> change your mind and do something else later. You can tell voc rehab >>> that it is your career plan, and if you change your mind later, so be >>> it. >>> I also think that finding good mentors in whatever job or college >>> major you pick is really important for staying motivated. I had >>> mentors in college who gave me clear and supportive guidance about >>> what direction to go into, and now my mentors in grad school are >>> giving me the motivation I need to keep going toward my degree (which >>> I still don't quite know what I'm doing afterward). It sounds like you >>> had excellent mentors in training and you can find good mentors in >>> work and school settings as well. In order to find them, though, you >>> will need to take a step out and pick something to do, either a job or >>> a degree. There are plenty of professional folks who want to take on >>> young people as mentees, in the work world as well as in the NFB. >>> I believe there are several jobs a blind person could do with just a >>> high school degree, but getting a college degree will greatly increase >>> your options. If VR is supporting you, there is little cost in going >>> to college and getting a degree. While the degree will help you, the >>> mentoring connections you could make in college, through classes and >>> extracurricular activities, is equally if not more helpful >>> >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 6/7/13, brooke anderson wrote: >>>> My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to >>>> work >>>> at >>>> the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not >>>> be >>>> something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind >>>> that >>>> you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will >>>> think >>>> that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you can. >>>> do >>>> not give up. >>>> Nichole. >>>> >>>> send from my galaxy note ii >>>> On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone: >>>>> >>>>> I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to >>>>> keep this very general and just ask my questions. >>>>> Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a >>>>> career? >>>>> How did you pick your major? >>>>> If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out >>>>> what you were passionate about/wanted to do? >>>>> How did you find internal motivation? >>>>> How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? >>>>> What jobs can blind people do without a degree? >>>>> What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves >>>>> until they find direction? >>>>> I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did >>>>> really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply >>>>> now in the situation I am in because those goals were training >>>>> specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a >>>>> routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or >>>>> knew what I needed to work on in each class. >>>>> I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and >>>>> don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and >>>>> telling me what to do. >>>>> My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really >>>>> respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as >>>>> hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just >>>>> left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find >>>>> motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. >>>>> Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing >>>>> after training or am I the only one? >>>>> How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and >>>>> what you wanted to do? >>>>> The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I >>>>> really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have >>>>> a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think >>>>> that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am >>>>> motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather >>>>> than sitting around. >>>>> But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin >>>>> Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? >>>>> I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at >>>>> least have a plan. >>>>> Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! >>>>> Kerri >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholeanderson%40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > From louvins at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 07:57:56 2013 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 02:57:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: <20AA59A960F641D081DF176568BD4D55@HP30910210001> Message-ID: Hello to all. This topic is quite interesting. As A blind person, going to college, it has taken me longer to almost get my associates degree then some blind and sighted people I know. It doesn't bother me though. My remedial math classes are finally done, and I received a b on my college level math class. This was due, in part to some excilent tutoring, and the help of a great math teacher. I have to say in the long run, college math was loads better than geometry. My parents have always encouraged me, that I could do anything I put my mind to. I have never felt like I have to be a perfect person either blind or sighted. Interestingly enough, I have never felt insecure about myself or the things I can do. I know I have to work on a lot of skills, especially independent living, and cooking, but I know after college, I'm going to focus on this before going to NIU which is Northern Illinois University. Hopefully, we have friends or people we can talk to who can support us, if we have feelings of low self esteme or insecurity. Also, I feel since I am a christian, this also helps. I know I could talk to my pastor, or other members of our church. Also, what about favorite hobbies or interests. For me, if I'm feeling down, I can just pick up my guitar, and start playing, and it isn't long befor I'm feeling up again. Take heart all. On 6/10/13, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > But why is that a bad thing? We're being encouraged to be perfect. I > have literally had a family member tell me, flat out, that I had to be > perfect, and no, that's not an exaggeration, it really happened. All > I'm saying is that no one is perfect, and trying to pressure people > into believing that they must be or they'll be left in the dust is > extremely unhealthy. That's not even a blind or sighted thing; that's > basic psychology. There's only so much of that that a person can take > before they just shut down and are unable to do the simplest thing > without having an intense fear of failure and pervasive self-doubt. I > don't want to go too far into specifics, but that's how I am a lot of > the time. While I don't know the person who originally posted this > thread, I would take a guess that she feels that way to a certain > extent as well. And a lot of that can be traced straight back to the > kind of societal conditioning we're discussing now. either you're > great or you're nothing, you can't be anywherein the middle. > > On 6/10/13, wmodnl wmodnl wrote: >> If you are not doing better than the rest, everyone will surpass you. As >> blind people, we are automatically put in a position to "write the >> wrongs" >> of society as it pertains to blind people. I would be curious to find >> statistics regarding this as it pertains to disability, and minority' in >> general. I have heard many say that, disability and blindness should >> also >> be considered within minority groups since we are a uncounted statistic >> regarding employment, public well fair, etc. The other issue is that, in >> our culture, there is Unfortunately no room for error or you to just be >> human, with its "privilege (S). Whether it is wrong or write, you have >> to >> some-how fit in to one of those standards or you will never make it. >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 9, 2013, at 3:17 PM, "Desiree Oudinot" >> wrote: >> >>> And yet, is that really what we want to be teaching our children? >>> You're not good enough unless you're great? I'm sorry, but that >>> attitude kills me. We want to be accepted as normal, functioning >>> members of society who just happen to be blind. And, on the spectrum >>> of humanity, there are all kinds of people. So why can't a blind >>> person be average? We have this double standard that says we have to >>> be above and beyond in everything we do, otherwise we're considered >>> substandard, and thus a bad reflection on all blind people. Which is >>> it? >>> >>> On 6/9/13, Dave Webster wrote: >>>> My problem was that growing up since I have been blind my whole life in >>>> school it was always since you're blind you have to be doing it better >>>> and >>>> cleaner than the other guy. I realize that my parents had probably ben >>>> using that just for motivation and that type of motivation is a natural >>>> thing for parents to do. Hell I'd do it. If my child were blind, which >>>> incidently I have no children but if any of them were blind and I were >>>> sighted I'd probably say the same thing. I though would probably say >>>> since >>>> >>>> you're blind you don't necessarily need to be doing it better than >>>> anyone >>>> else but you need to do just as good as everyone else does. Its kind >>>> of >>>> the >>>> >>>> theory that they teach at the nfb training centers and that is its not >>>> enough just to get by. Its not enough just to be average. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: melissa Green >>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:28 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... >>>> >>>> really good points Arielle. >>>> I completely agree we are put under more pressure than others to have a >>>> career. >>>> IMO we are also told what career we should go into. >>>> For example, you are blind so go teach other blind people, or you are >>>> blind >>>> technology is wonderful for you. >>>> I wonder do sighted people get put through the career tests as much as >>>> we >>>> do >>>> as blind people. >>>> >>>> Blessings, >>>> Melissa and Pj >>>> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >>>> facebook Melissa R Green >>>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >>>> skype: lissa5674 >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Kerri, >>>> >>>> I think this is an excellent question. I would bet that virtually all >>>> blind people and virtually all sighted people have struggled with this >>>> issue. I have sighted research assistants who have graduated college >>>> and are unsure what to do afterward. Even my father, who was a >>>> successful doctor for twenty years, has struggled with career change >>>> decisions and made a substantial switch in his job in his mid-fifties. >>>> There are a multitude of careers and jobs out there, and it is hard to >>>> choose what you want to do and how that lines up with the jobs that >>>> are actually out there. >>>> I think this is a common issue that has little to do with blindness or >>>> being in training. However, I think there is a huge amount of pressure >>>> placed on blind people to pick a career path as soon as they graduate >>>> high school and to stick with that path forever. In my opinion this >>>> expectation is unrealistic and puts too much pressure on young people >>>> without motivating them. I have heard that the average person switches >>>> jobs every three to five years. Plenty of folks get a degree, work in >>>> one career for a while, then decide to re-train and do something else. >>>> There is nothing wrong with that. >>>> The suggestion I give most people is to just pick something you like, >>>> either a job opportunity that comes up or a college major, and just >>>> stay with it for as long as you like, knowing that you can always >>>> change your mind and do something else later. You can tell voc rehab >>>> that it is your career plan, and if you change your mind later, so be >>>> it. >>>> I also think that finding good mentors in whatever job or college >>>> major you pick is really important for staying motivated. I had >>>> mentors in college who gave me clear and supportive guidance about >>>> what direction to go into, and now my mentors in grad school are >>>> giving me the motivation I need to keep going toward my degree (which >>>> I still don't quite know what I'm doing afterward). It sounds like you >>>> had excellent mentors in training and you can find good mentors in >>>> work and school settings as well. In order to find them, though, you >>>> will need to take a step out and pick something to do, either a job or >>>> a degree. There are plenty of professional folks who want to take on >>>> young people as mentees, in the work world as well as in the NFB. >>>> I believe there are several jobs a blind person could do with just a >>>> high school degree, but getting a college degree will greatly increase >>>> your options. If VR is supporting you, there is little cost in going >>>> to college and getting a degree. While the degree will help you, the >>>> mentoring connections you could make in college, through classes and >>>> extracurricular activities, is equally if not more helpful >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 6/7/13, brooke anderson wrote: >>>>> My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to >>>>> work >>>>> at >>>>> the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not >>>>> be >>>>> something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind >>>>> that >>>>> you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will >>>>> think >>>>> that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you >>>>> can. >>>>> do >>>>> not give up. >>>>> Nichole. >>>>> >>>>> send from my galaxy note ii >>>>> On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone: >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try >>>>>> to >>>>>> keep this very general and just ask my questions. >>>>>> Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a >>>>>> career? >>>>>> How did you pick your major? >>>>>> If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out >>>>>> what you were passionate about/wanted to do? >>>>>> How did you find internal motivation? >>>>>> How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? >>>>>> What jobs can blind people do without a degree? >>>>>> What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves >>>>>> until they find direction? >>>>>> I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did >>>>>> really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply >>>>>> now in the situation I am in because those goals were training >>>>>> specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a >>>>>> routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or >>>>>> knew what I needed to work on in each class. >>>>>> I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and >>>>>> don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and >>>>>> telling me what to do. >>>>>> My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really >>>>>> respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work >>>>>> as >>>>>> hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just >>>>>> left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find >>>>>> motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. >>>>>> Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing >>>>>> after training or am I the only one? >>>>>> How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and >>>>>> what you wanted to do? >>>>>> The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I >>>>>> really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least >>>>>> have >>>>>> a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think >>>>>> that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am >>>>>> motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather >>>>>> than sitting around. >>>>>> But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin >>>>>> Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? >>>>>> I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at >>>>>> least have a plan. >>>>>> Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! >>>>>> Kerri >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholeanderson%40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > -- Joshua T Hendrickson From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 13:18:41 2013 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:18:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what nabs was doing. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing Hello Sean, I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be a personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to discount the participation of any particular individual within this organization. I was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this organization being about the members at large and not just the board as mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the goals of the current board is to make the organization about the membership at large and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a growing disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this disconnect take place as well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the monthly updates. I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the things that you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure how I am expected to know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it appears as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the scenes without the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from my observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are some things going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership at large. Since the comment about the organization being about the membership at large and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all of the student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable subject to discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have seen this same disconnect from the membership at large and the board, or if it was just me. I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the monthly updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. Again,, I am sorry you took my email so personally. Warm regards, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM To: Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > Hello, > > > > I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something that > you > found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The > impression > I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they do > take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for > writing > to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. > > > > Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization of > the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with many > other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last > year. > We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state > conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list and > put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative > membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have > held > a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a mentoring > program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place in > Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the NFB > as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike who > hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and affiliates. > > > > I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do not > appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called out > for > doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what > NABS > or the board could be doing better are always welcome at > nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be it > positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy that > many > individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make > progress on issues of importance to all of us. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Sean > > > > Sean Whalen > > President, National Association of Blind Students > > (608) 332-4147 > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail .com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma il.com From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Mon Jun 10 13:23:50 2013 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:23:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] please prey In-Reply-To: <000901ce639d$534291d0$f9c7b570$@gmail.com> References: <000301ce6454$3910dd00$ab329700$@com><17417E31-4870-45F2-A592-76413A0951F8@gmail.com> <000901ce639d$534291d0$f9c7b570$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE4DD@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> I will definitely keep you in my prayers. Zunaira -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of justin Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 12:38 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] please prey I also sent my praires to you Jeff. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh Gregory Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 12:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] please prey Jeff, that is certainly sad to hear that you went through all that… I certainly will and I hope that you are better soon. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Jeff Crouch" wrote: > Hello, > > I'm not a active poster on the lists here, but i would be grateful if > thoughts who do prey if you could keep me in your prares. > > > > Saturday June second I went in to the ER with a migraine on a scale of > 0 to > 10 it was a 8, I was released early Sunday morning around 2 in the morning. > Then on Monday morning I went back to the ER with another migraine on > the scale of a 9, I was put in to observations and was released late > Tuesday night, I then went back in to the ER on Wednesday with a > migraine of a 8 to a 9, then was released late Wednesday night around > 1 AM, I am now back in the hospital as I type this email, yesterday, > being Friday, I got out of bed and went to open my bedroom door and > went to take a step and collapsed on the ground, I couldn't move my > legs or arms, I had to call 911 and have a amvolence come and carry me > down a flight of stares to the stretcher, I then went to the hospital > from there and was put in to the ER department once there, they ran a > Cat scan, and it came back negative, at around 10 PM last night I was > taken by amvolence to a MRI facility ware a MRI was conducted, I got > the results today, and it came back negative, nothing there, well > talking with doctors, and doing research on line, I am finding out > that I might have Transient Ischemic Attacks, the vertebral arteries > might be narrow, I'm going to request a MRI of my neck to find out > what that is, common symptoms of Transient Ischemic Attacks (TIA) are > numbness and or tingly, weakness on one side of the body, migraines > can influence these. At this point, I can't stand for more than 20 > seconds before I fall, I can't even try to stand I am so week. they're going to try to get me out of bed and try to work on my strength. I'll keep you all updated. > > > > If anyone wants to call me and talk to me, my hospital room number is > (810) 606-9038. I would love to hear from all of you. > > > > Jeff Crouch > > ham radio callsign- KD8QIQ > > internet radio station- http://wnntech.com > > twitter- kd8qiq > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 > gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Mon Jun 10 13:43:06 2013 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:43:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) Message-ID: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE4E5@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Jun 9 13:49:39 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 09:49:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01ce6518$3065c700$91315500$@gmail.com> Wow, you guys did a lot. Congradulations. Sounds like an outstanding year. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of nabs.president at gmail.com Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing Hello, I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something that you found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The impression I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they do take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for writing to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization of the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with many other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last year. We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list and put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have held a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a mentoring program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place in Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the NFB as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike who hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and affiliates. I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do not appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called out for doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what NABS or the board could be doing better are always welcome at nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be it positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy that many individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make progress on issues of importance to all of us. Thank you, Sean Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students (608) 332-4147 Nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Mon Jun 10 13:59:42 2013 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:59:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new device for the blind Message-ID: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE4EE@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> By JOHN MARKOFF, June 3, 2013. JERUSALEM - Liat,womble,joseph naulty Negrin, an Israeli who has been visually impaired since childhood, walked into a grocery store here recently, picked up a can of vegetables and easily read its label using a simple and unobtrusive camera attached to her glasses. Ms. Negrin, who has coloboma, a birth defect that perforates a structure of the eye and afflicts about 1 in 10,000 people, is an employee at OrCam, an Israeli start-up that has developed a camera-based system intended to give the visually impaired the ability to both "read" easily and move freely. Until now reading aids for the visually impaired and the blind have been cumbersome devices that recognize text in restricted environments, or, more recently, have been software applications on smartphones that have limited capabilities. In contrast, the OrCam device is a small camera worn in the style of Google Glass, connected by a thin cable to a portable computer designed to fit in the wearer's pocket. The system clips on to the wearer's glasses with a small magnet and uses a bone-conduction speaker to offer clear speech as it reads aloud the words or object pointed to by the user. The system is designed to both recognize and speak "text in the wild," a term used to describe newspaper articles as well as bus numbers, and objects as diverse as landmarks, traffic lights and the faces of friends. It currently recognizes English-language text and beginning this week will be sold through the company's Web site for $2,500, about the cost of a midrange hearing aid. It is the only product, so far, of the privately held company, which is part of the high-tech boom in Israel. The device is quite different from other technology that has been developed to give some vision to people who are blind, like the artificial retina system called Argus II, made by Second Sight Medical Products. That system, which was approved by the Food and Drug Administration in February, allows visual signals to bypass a damaged retina and be transmitted to the brain. The OrCam device is also drastically different from Google Glass, which also offers the wearer a camera but is designed for people with normal vision and has limited visual recognition and local computing power. OrCam was founded several years ago by Amnon Shashua, a well-known researcher who is a computer science professor at Hebrew University here. It is based on computer vision algorithms that he has pioneered with another faculty member, Shai Shalev-Shwartz, and one of his former graduate students, Yonatan Wexler. "What is remarkable is that the device learns from the user to recognize a new product," said Tomaso Poggio, a computer scientist at M.I.T. who is a computer vision expert and with whom Dr. Shashua studied as a graduate student. "This is more complex than it appears, and, as an expert, I find it really impressive." The advance is the result of both rapidly improving computing processing power that can now be carried comfortably in a wearer's pocket and the computer vision algorithm developed by the scientists. On a broader technology level, the OrCam system is representative of a wide range of rapid improvements being made in the field of artificial intelligence, in particular with vision systems for manufacturing as well as fields like autonomous motor vehicles. (Dr. Shashua previously founded Mobileye, a corporation that supplies camera technology to the automobile industry that can recognize objects like pedestrians and bicyclists and can keep a car in a lane on a freeway.) Speech recognition is now routinely used by tens of millions of people on both iPhones and Android smartphones. Moreover, natural language processing is making it possible for computer systems to "read" documents, which is having a significant impact in the legal field, among others. There are now at least six competing approaches in the field of computer vision. For example, researchers at Google and elsewhere have begun using what are known as "deep learning" techniques that attempt to mimic biological vision systems. However, they require vast computing resources for accurate recognition. In contrast, the OrCam technique, which was described in a technical paper in 2011 by the Hebrew University researchers, offers a reasonable trade-off between recognition accuracy and speed. The technique, known as Shareboost, is distinguished by the fact that as the number of objects it needs to recognize grows, the system minimizes the amount of additional computer power required. "The challenges are huge," said Dr. Wexler, a co-author of the paper and vice president of research and development at OrCam. "People who have low vision will continue to have low vision, but we want to harness computer science to help them." Additionally the OrCam system is designed to have a minimal control system, or user interface. To recognize an object or text, the wearer simply points at it with his or her finger, and the device then interprets the scene. The system recognizes a pre-stored set of objects and allows the user to add to its library - for example, text on a label or billboard, or a stop light or street sign - by simply waving his or her hand, or the object, in the camera's field of view. One of the key challenges, Dr. Shashua said, was allowing quick optical character recognition in a variety of lighting conditions as well as on flexible surfaces. "The professional optical character readers today will work very well when the image is good, but we have additional challenges - we must read text on flexible surfaces like a hand-held newspaper," he said. Although the system is usable by the blind, OrCam is initially planning to sell the device to people in the United States who are visually impaired, which means that their vision cannot be adequately corrected with glasses. In the United States, 21.2 million people over the age of 18 have some kind of visual impairment, including age-related conditions, diseases and birth defects, according to the 2011 National Health Survey by the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics. OrCam said that worldwide there were 342 million adults with significant visual impairment, and that 52 million of them had middle-class incomes. Source URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/science/israeli-start-up-gives-visuall y-impaired-a-way-to-read.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 14:24:39 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 07:24:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: <4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC> References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> <4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC> Message-ID: Hello all, I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that this organization is one that only functions at it's best when it's membership is a vital part of it's activities. Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil rights. we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up important topics of interest to be discussed. Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National office, especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a better tomorrow? I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve in a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are perfect. So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. Best, Darian On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: > I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what nabs was > doing. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth > Mohnke > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > > Hello Sean, > > I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be a > personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to discount > the participation of any particular individual within this organization. I > was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this > organization being about the members at large and not just the board as > mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. > > Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the goals of > > the current board is to make the organization about the membership at large > > and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a growing > disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this disconnect take place > as > > well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the monthly > updates. > > I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the things that > you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure how I am expected to > > know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it appears > > as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the scenes > without > > the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from my > observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are some > things > > going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership at > large. > > Since the comment about the organization being about the membership at > large > > and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all of the > student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable subject to > discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have seen this same > disconnect from the membership at large and the board, or if it was just > me. > > I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the monthly > updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. Again,, I am sorry > you took my email so personally. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something that >> you >> found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The >> impression >> I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they do >> take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for >> writing >> to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >> >> >> >> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization of >> the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with many >> other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last >> year. >> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state >> conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list >> and >> put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative >> membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have >> held >> a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a mentoring >> program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place in >> Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the >> NFB >> as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike who >> hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and affiliates. >> >> >> >> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do not >> appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called out >> for >> doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what >> NABS >> or the board could be doing better are always welcome at >> nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be it >> positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy that >> many >> individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make >> progress on issues of importance to all of us. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> Sean Whalen >> >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> >> (608) 332-4147 >> >> Nabs.president at gmail.com >> >> www.nabslink.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail > .com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities http://www.nfb.org/fairwages “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” -Darian Smith From djd76257 at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 19:46:02 2013 From: djd76257 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:46:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] OT: The Winds Of Change Kick Into High Gear At Audio Access FM With A Giveaway Tonight And More Message-ID: <772A9E0C77AE4780A28FCE2DAD7F08BF@WildJasmine> Hi All! The winds of change at Audio Access FM are starting to kick up full force, with the strength of Hurricane Sandy, meaning changing is about to sweep through here and fast! . Our web site is changing. Show times are being adjusted. We're hot on the hunt for new broadcasting talent. 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It's a show that plays a cappella music, focusing on the college sound, but touching on professional groups too. Need a show sample, download one here at http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/kcddh7 Then please email me at thedjdinvasion at audioaccess.fm before 9:45PM eastern tonight and tell me when you'd be most likely to listen to the show. Thanks for the feedback, and see you on the invasion tonight! From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Jun 10 21:36:21 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:36:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Be in The Student Slate! Message-ID: Hi NABS! Last week, I posed a question, and I am curious to hear more answers! In one sentence, entertaining or serious, what does national convention mean to you? The Slate committee is compiling our summer Slate, and as tradition would have it, we are publishing an article about the fast-approaching national convention. And we want to spice it up this year with what you have to say! So please email me your sentence at clb5590 at gmail.com! We will select some responses to include in the Slate. Just let me know if you would prefer to remain anonymous. We look forward to reading your awesome responses! Thanks! -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students Legislative Coordinator: National Federation of the Blind of Washington B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 01:17:08 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 19:17:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> <4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC> Message-ID: Hi all, If I may, I'd like to offer a little bit of historical perspective on the NABS presidential updates. When I first joined NABS ten years ago, the president would write a quarterly update which would appear in the Student Slate in place of the editor's introduction, explaining what NABS has been up to and what is planned for the upcoming months. More recently, NABS went through a period of a few years where the Slate was published very irregularly. When I became president in 2009, I was concerned about whether or not we could return to quarterly Slate releases, so I started releasing monthly updates so that the membership could stay up-to-date on NABS board activities and upcoming events even if the Slate did not come out very often. Now that we have a wonderful, dependable Slate committee publishing regular issues again, the NABS updates may be able to go back on a quarterly schedule and be published in the Slate. I will also add that writing monthly updates by myself was a fairly time-consuming task, and I, too, thought about stopping them because it seemed to me that few people actually read them. Several members of my board (including our current NABS president) encouraged me to keep going with the monthly updates, so I did. Sean continued the monthly updates for a time after becoming president, but I know he is a busy guy and may have just decided that it was too much. I do think that if even a few people read the updates with interest, it is probably worth continuing them, but perhaps the NABS board could pick up some of the workload of writing them so it's not all on the president's shoulders, or go to a quarterly schedule. Finally, the issue of membership feeling a lack of communication with the board is a perennial complaint I've seen come up over and over with multiple NABS administrations. So the current administration should not at all feel singled out by this complaint. To an extent it is natural for a national organization like NABS to experience occasional lapses in communication. I have also learned that managing communication between board and membership is a responsibility that must be shared between both parties. There are always things the board could be doing to more clearly communicate about past accomplishments and future plans, but there are also ways for interested members to initiate communication with the board. Calling or emailing NABS board members to ask what's been going on or to offer feedback is great, but an even better way to stay in the loop would be to serve on a NABS committee. Much of the day-to-day work of NABS is conducted within committees. Board members chair them, but members do (or at least should) form the backbone of the committees and carry out the organization's day-to-day operations. And, there are openings for several board members at this year's election. Best, Arielle On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: > Hello all, > I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS > board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that this > organization is one that only functions at it's best when it's > membership is a vital part of it's activities. > Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of > building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, > your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and > we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we > grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's > thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. > We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We > need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that > need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil > rights. > we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even > more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. > You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up > important topics of interest to be discussed. > Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your > passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please > bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National office, > especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. > > Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. > What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a > better tomorrow? > I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve in > a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve > somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are > perfect. > > So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can > improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. > > Best, > > Darian > > > > On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: >> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what nabs >> was >> doing. >> Rania, >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >> Mohnke >> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >> >> Hello Sean, >> >> I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be a >> personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to >> discount >> the participation of any particular individual within this organization. >> I >> was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this >> organization being about the members at large and not just the board as >> mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. >> >> Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the goals >> of >> >> the current board is to make the organization about the membership at >> large >> >> and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a growing >> disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this disconnect take place >> as >> >> well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the monthly >> updates. >> >> I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the things >> that >> you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure how I am expected >> to >> >> know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it >> appears >> >> as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the scenes >> without >> >> the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from my >> observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are some >> things >> >> going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership at >> large. >> >> Since the comment about the organization being about the membership at >> large >> >> and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all of >> the >> student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable subject to >> discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have seen this same >> disconnect from the membership at large and the board, or if it was just >> me. >> >> I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the monthly >> updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. Again,, I am sorry >> you took my email so personally. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: >> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something that >>> you >>> found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The >>> impression >>> I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they >>> do >>> take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for >>> writing >>> to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >>> >>> >>> >>> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization >>> of >>> the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with >>> many >>> other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last >>> year. >>> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state >>> conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list >>> and >>> put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative >>> membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have >>> held >>> a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a mentoring >>> program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place in >>> Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the >>> NFB >>> as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike who >>> hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and affiliates. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do not >>> appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called out >>> for >>> doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what >>> NABS >>> or the board could be doing better are always welcome at >>> nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be it >>> positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy that >>> many >>> individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make >>> progress on issues of importance to all of us. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>> >>> Sean Whalen >>> >>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>> >>> (608) 332-4147 >>> >>> Nabs.president at gmail.com >>> >>> www.nabslink.org >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail >> .com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Darian Smith > > > Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund > via your phone bill. > > The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities > > http://www.nfb.org/fairwages > > > “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is > made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. > These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our > knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” > -Darian Smith > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 01:26:19 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:26:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> <4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC> Message-ID: <6FA19827-7510-4A38-9B70-CC92B572F93C@gmail.com> Arielle, Thanks so much for that. That does indeed serve as a wonderful piece of information to give some of us some perspective. Thanks again, Darian On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > > If I may, I'd like to offer a little bit of historical perspective on > the NABS presidential updates. When I first joined NABS ten years ago, > the president would write a quarterly update which would appear in the > Student Slate in place of the editor's introduction, explaining what > NABS has been up to and what is planned for the upcoming months. More > recently, NABS went through a period of a few years where the Slate > was published very irregularly. When I became president in 2009, I was > concerned about whether or not we could return to quarterly Slate > releases, so I started releasing monthly updates so that the > membership could stay up-to-date on NABS board activities and upcoming > events even if the Slate did not come out very often. Now that we have > a wonderful, dependable Slate committee publishing regular issues > again, the NABS updates may be able to go back on a quarterly schedule > and be published in the Slate. I will also add that writing monthly > updates by myself was a fairly time-consuming task, and I, too, > thought about stopping them because it seemed to me that few people > actually read them. Several members of my board (including our current > NABS president) encouraged me to keep going with the monthly updates, > so I did. Sean continued the monthly updates for a time after becoming > president, but I know he is a busy guy and may have just decided that > it was too much. I do think that if even a few people read the updates > with interest, it is probably worth continuing them, but perhaps the > NABS board could pick up some of the workload of writing them so it's > not all on the president's shoulders, or go to a quarterly schedule. > Finally, the issue of membership feeling a lack of communication with > the board is a perennial complaint I've seen come up over and over > with multiple NABS administrations. So the current administration > should not at all feel singled out by this complaint. To an extent it > is natural for a national organization like NABS to experience > occasional lapses in communication. I have also learned that managing > communication between board and membership is a responsibility that > must be shared between both parties. There are always things the board > could be doing to more clearly communicate about past accomplishments > and future plans, but there are also ways for interested members to > initiate communication with the board. Calling or emailing NABS board > members to ask what's been going on or to offer feedback is great, but > an even better way to stay in the loop would be to serve on a NABS > committee. Much of the day-to-day work of NABS is conducted within > committees. Board members chair them, but members do (or at least > should) form the backbone of the committees and carry out the > organization's day-to-day operations. And, there are openings for > several board members at this year's election. > > Best, > Arielle > > On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: >> Hello all, >> I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS >> board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that this >> organization is one that only functions at it's best when it's >> membership is a vital part of it's activities. >> Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of >> building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, >> your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and >> we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we >> grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's >> thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. >> We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We >> need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that >> need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil >> rights. >> we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even >> more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. >> You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up >> important topics of interest to be discussed. >> Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your >> passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please >> bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National office, >> especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. >> >> Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. >> What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a >> better tomorrow? >> I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve in >> a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve >> somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are >> perfect. >> >> So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can >> improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. >> >> Best, >> >> Darian >> >> >> >> On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: >>> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what nabs >>> was >>> doing. >>> Rania, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >>> Mohnke >>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>> >>> Hello Sean, >>> >>> I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be a >>> personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to >>> discount >>> the participation of any particular individual within this organization. >>> I >>> was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this >>> organization being about the members at large and not just the board as >>> mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. >>> >>> Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the goals >>> of >>> >>> the current board is to make the organization about the membership at >>> large >>> >>> and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a growing >>> disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this disconnect take place >>> as >>> >>> well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the monthly >>> updates. >>> >>> I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the things >>> that >>> you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure how I am expected >>> to >>> >>> know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it >>> appears >>> >>> as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the scenes >>> without >>> >>> the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from my >>> observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are some >>> things >>> >>> going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership at >>> large. >>> >>> Since the comment about the organization being about the membership at >>> large >>> >>> and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all of >>> the >>> student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable subject to >>> discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have seen this same >>> disconnect from the membership at large and the board, or if it was just >>> me. >>> >>> I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the monthly >>> updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. Again,, I am sorry >>> you took my email so personally. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: >>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something that >>>> you >>>> found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The >>>> impression >>>> I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they >>>> do >>>> take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for >>>> writing >>>> to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization >>>> of >>>> the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with >>>> many >>>> other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last >>>> year. >>>> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state >>>> conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list >>>> and >>>> put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative >>>> membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have >>>> held >>>> a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a mentoring >>>> program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place in >>>> Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the >>>> NFB >>>> as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike who >>>> hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and affiliates. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do not >>>> appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called out >>>> for >>>> doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what >>>> NABS >>>> or the board could be doing better are always welcome at >>>> nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be it >>>> positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy that >>>> many >>>> individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make >>>> progress on issues of importance to all of us. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sean Whalen >>>> >>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> (608) 332-4147 >>>> >>>> Nabs.president at gmail.com >>>> >>>> www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail >>> .com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Darian Smith >> >> >> Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund >> via your phone bill. >> >> The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities >> >> http://www.nfb.org/fairwages >> >> >> “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is >> made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. >> These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our >> knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” >> -Darian Smith >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 01:40:06 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 18:40:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center In-Reply-To: <997FE579-37BB-447C-8F74-68C7240FFA6E@gmail.com> References: <51b1edde.e732ec0a.1e00.ffff8257@mx.google.com> <51F3723D-C789-4747-BDB3-D2B922EC3ADA@gmail.com> <-5204814487866836668@unknownmsgid> <997FE579-37BB-447C-8F74-68C7240FFA6E@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is a good question, one that menu people here who have had experience making that decision would probably not mind helping you to answer. A couple of good things to do might be to first talk to some folks who have gone to some of the centers. There are people on this list who have gone to all three centers, and I am more than happy to point you in the direction of some folks if you don't know of any yourself. I would definitely reach out to the directors of the training centers. They are all real nice folksand are happy to answer any questions you might have. Remember that all of our centers teach you that is respectable to be blind, and that you can truly compete on terms of equality with your sighted peers so log as you have the right skills and attitude. They might not teach it in the exact same way, but, you will get a great deal out of it if you put your best effort into the training. I hope that helps. Best, Darian On Jun 9, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > I agree there is no reason to email about this off list. It seems very appropriate. Im not really sure what the question is though. Do you already have one picked out? If not, start looking at which one would be best for you. If you do then which one is it and Im sure the staff at te center will answer the question of how to prepare, also finding people that have gone to that center can tell you what they did to prepare. I think the best person to ask would be the director or some staff from that particular center. > > Anna > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:11 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > >> FYI, Blind, Inc. is in Minnesota. The training center in Maryland is >> Blind Industries and Services of Maryland (BISM.) Please don't get the >> 3 NFB training centers and BISM confused—they are very different. I >> will not go into details here, but you can read my article in the June >> Braille Monitor if you would like more information on the differences. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:53 AM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" >> wrote: >> >>> Hello everybody, I am actually preparing to attend the Colorado Center for the blind starting in August! Go, Denver! :-) Here's What happens first, I talked to my vocational rehabilitation counselor about why I needed training at an NFB training center. Of course, I also talked to my parents LOL! I am actually in the midst of the next process right now, trying to get all the appropriate paperwork filled out. Then I should be set to start up there in August, and I really can't wait to return to one of my favorite destinations! I have attended both the middle school and high school programs through the Colorado Center for the blind, and would strongly recommend it! I cannot speak for the Louisiana Center for the blind or blind Inc. in Maryland, I have not had any experience with those. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> >>>> Koby, while I admire your urge to help, I think that this discussion should be kept on-list. Many others who haven't attended a center (like me) are probably also curious about this. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Sophie >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Koby Cox >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Date sent: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:51:19 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center >>>> >>>> Can you email me off list so that I can help you with this? My email address Is: >>>> kobycox at gmail.com >>>> Koby >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Nabs Members, >>>> >>>> Recently I read the articles about the three Nfb training centers that were published in the Braille Monitor. How do you prepare to attend one of these training centers? Please respond as soon as possible. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpea >>>> reader%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From louvins at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 01:51:27 2013 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:51:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center In-Reply-To: References: <51b1edde.e732ec0a.1e00.ffff8257@mx.google.com> <51F3723D-C789-4747-BDB3-D2B922EC3ADA@gmail.com> <-5204814487866836668@unknownmsgid> <997FE579-37BB-447C-8F74-68C7240FFA6E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello to all. I talked to a friend of mine who attended blind INC in Minnosota. She told me about some of the classes she had to do, and some of the things she learned there. I wanted to go there, but I heard that ILLINOIS is a very hard state to get your VR counselor to allow you to go as far as paying for the cost since it is an out of state facility. My friend told me about a girl she knew where it took fifteen months in order for the paper work to get processed. I didn't want to take that chance. On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: > This is a good question, one that menu people here who have had experience > making that decision would probably not mind helping you to answer. > A couple of good things to do might be to first talk to some folks who > have gone to some of the centers. > There are people on this list who have gone to all three centers, and I am > more than happy to point you in the direction of some folks if you don't > know of any yourself. > I would definitely reach out to the directors of the training centers. > They are all real nice folksand are happy to answer any questions you might > have. > > Remember that all of our centers teach you that is respectable to be > blind, and that you can truly compete on terms of equality with your > sighted peers so log as you have the right skills and attitude. They might > not teach it in the exact same way, but, you will get a great deal out of it > if you put your best effort into the training. > I hope that helps. > Best, > > Darian > On Jun 9, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > >> I agree there is no reason to email about this off list. It seems very >> appropriate. Im not really sure what the question is though. Do you >> already have one picked out? If not, start looking at which one would be >> best for you. If you do then which one is it and Im sure the staff at te >> center will answer the question of how to prepare, also finding people >> that have gone to that center can tell you what they did to prepare. I >> think the best person to ask would be the director or some staff from that >> particular center. >> >> Anna >> >> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:11 PM, christopher nusbaum >> wrote: >> >>> FYI, Blind, Inc. is in Minnesota. The training center in Maryland is >>> Blind Industries and Services of Maryland (BISM.) Please don't get the >>> 3 NFB training centers and BISM confused—they are very different. I >>> will not go into details here, but you can read my article in the June >>> Braille Monitor if you would like more information on the differences. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:53 AM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everybody, I am actually preparing to attend the Colorado Center >>>> for the blind starting in August! Go, Denver! :-) Here's What happens >>>> first, I talked to my vocational rehabilitation counselor about why I >>>> needed training at an NFB training center. Of course, I also talked to >>>> my parents LOL! I am actually in the midst of the next process right >>>> now, trying to get all the appropriate paperwork filled out. Then I >>>> should be set to start up there in August, and I really can't wait to >>>> return to one of my favorite destinations! I have attended both the >>>> middle school and high school programs through the Colorado Center for >>>> the blind, and would strongly recommend it! I cannot speak for the >>>> Louisiana Center for the blind or blind Inc. in Maryland, I have not had >>>> any experience with those. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >>>> >>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Sophie Trist >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Koby, while I admire your urge to help, I think that this discussion >>>>> should be kept on-list. Many others who haven't attended a center (like >>>>> me) are probably also curious about this. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Sophie >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Koby Cox >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:51:19 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center >>>>> >>>>> Can you email me off list so that I can help you with this? My email >>>>> address Is: >>>>> kobycox at gmail.com >>>>> Koby >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Roanna Baccchus >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Nabs Members, >>>>> >>>>> Recently I read the articles about the three Nfb training centers that >>>>> were published in the Braille Monitor. How do you prepare to attend >>>>> one of these training centers? Please respond as soon as possible. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox% >>>>> 40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpea >>>>> reader%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > -- Joshua T Hendrickson From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 03:39:44 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:39:44 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center In-Reply-To: References: <51b1edde.e732ec0a.1e00.ffff8257@mx.google.com> <51F3723D-C789-4747-BDB3-D2B922EC3ADA@gmail.com> <-5204814487866836668@unknownmsgid> <997FE579-37BB-447C-8F74-68C7240FFA6E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, It may be hard to convince your state agency to send you to BLIND, Inc. but I don't think you should give up yet. The law is on your side, as VR consumers have a right to informed choice, meaning that you can attend the center of your choice even if it is more expensive, as long as you can explain to them why it is better for your individual training and vocational needs. The NFB center staff have a lot of experience working with VR agencies to ensure they abide by the law and send consumers to NFB centers if that is their choice, and there are several reasons why BLIND, Inc. provides a stronger training program than many state-run centers. I would suggest talking with Shawn Mayo at BLIND, Inc. about the process if you are still interested, or you could just try talking with your counselor and see what they say. Your counselor may surprise you and be totally willing to send you there. Best, Arielle On 6/10/13, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > Hello to all. I talked to a friend of mine who attended blind INC in > Minnosota. She told me about some of the classes she had to do, and > some of the things she learned there. I wanted to go there, but I > heard that ILLINOIS is a very hard state to get your VR counselor to > allow you to go as far as paying for the cost since it is an out of > state facility. My friend told me about a girl she knew where it took > fifteen months in order for the paper work to get processed. I didn't > want to take that chance. > > On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: >> This is a good question, one that menu people here who have had >> experience >> making that decision would probably not mind helping you to answer. >> A couple of good things to do might be to first talk to some folks >> who >> have gone to some of the centers. >> There are people on this list who have gone to all three centers, and I >> am >> more than happy to point you in the direction of some folks if you don't >> know of any yourself. >> I would definitely reach out to the directors of the training centers. >> They are all real nice folksand are happy to answer any questions you >> might >> have. >> >> Remember that all of our centers teach you that is respectable to be >> blind, and that you can truly compete on terms of equality with your >> sighted peers so log as you have the right skills and attitude. They >> might >> not teach it in the exact same way, but, you will get a great deal out of >> it >> if you put your best effort into the training. >> I hope that helps. >> Best, >> >> Darian >> On Jun 9, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >> >>> I agree there is no reason to email about this off list. It seems very >>> appropriate. Im not really sure what the question is though. Do you >>> already have one picked out? If not, start looking at which one would >>> be >>> best for you. If you do then which one is it and Im sure the staff at >>> te >>> center will answer the question of how to prepare, also finding people >>> that have gone to that center can tell you what they did to prepare. I >>> think the best person to ask would be the director or some staff from >>> that >>> particular center. >>> >>> Anna >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 9:11 PM, christopher nusbaum >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> FYI, Blind, Inc. is in Minnesota. The training center in Maryland is >>>> Blind Industries and Services of Maryland (BISM.) Please don't get the >>>> 3 NFB training centers and BISM confused—they are very different. I >>>> will not go into details here, but you can read my article in the June >>>> Braille Monitor if you would like more information on the differences. >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:53 AM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello everybody, I am actually preparing to attend the Colorado Center >>>>> for the blind starting in August! Go, Denver! :-) Here's What happens >>>>> first, I talked to my vocational rehabilitation counselor about why I >>>>> needed training at an NFB training center. Of course, I also talked to >>>>> my parents LOL! I am actually in the midst of the next process right >>>>> now, trying to get all the appropriate paperwork filled out. Then I >>>>> should be set to start up there in August, and I really can't wait to >>>>> return to one of my favorite destinations! I have attended both the >>>>> middle school and high school programs through the Colorado Center for >>>>> the blind, and would strongly recommend it! I cannot speak for the >>>>> Louisiana Center for the blind or blind Inc. in Maryland, I have not >>>>> had >>>>> any experience with those. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Sophie Trist >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Koby, while I admire your urge to help, I think that this discussion >>>>>> should be kept on-list. Many others who haven't attended a center >>>>>> (like >>>>>> me) are probably also curious about this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Sophie >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Koby Cox >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:51:19 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you email me off list so that I can help you with this? My email >>>>>> address Is: >>>>>> kobycox at gmail.com >>>>>> Koby >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 7, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Roanna Baccchus >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Nabs Members, >>>>>> >>>>>> Recently I read the articles about the three Nfb training centers >>>>>> that >>>>>> were published in the Braille Monitor. How do you prepare to attend >>>>>> one of these training centers? Please respond as soon as possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox% >>>>>> 40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpea >>>>>> reader%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Joshua T Hendrickson > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jun 11 03:43:07 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:43:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Where to get JAWS 13? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: jaws 13 is not on fs website. that is since jaws 14 is out; it should be on the downloads page. -----Original Message----- From: Justin Young Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 9:50 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Where to get JAWS 13? Hi All! Hope you are doing well! I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I can get JAWS 13? I was trying to look on the Freedom Scientific website, but I am having trouble finding JAWS 13. Thanks for the help! Justin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jun 11 03:52:42 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 23:52:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kerri, I don't think this is all a blindness thing. I hope my ideas are not repetetive as I have not read all the responses yet. You might want to tell us more about your background and interests and what opportunities are near you so we can help more. I don't know where you live or what colleges are in your state. I'll try and speak generally too without knowing much about you. Confidence and self esteem is definitely built overtime. If you want to go to college, pick a major you are interested in and that leads to transferable career skills. if you have careers in mind that require a degree, then you may want to try a community college first if one is near you since you don't have the pressure of picking a major. Also, community college is cheaper and usually has smaller classes. Talk to your friends and family about this who know you better. Now a days, blind people can do most careers. Once you have ideas of a handful of careers, you can seek mentors, both blind and sighted. AFB's career connect is a online community of mentors which is a good resource. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: Kerri Kosten Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 7:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; Ed McDonald ; karen ; Anjelina Cruz ; Kea.anderson at gmail.com ; dsmithnfb at gmail.com ; Arielle Silverman Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... Hi Everyone: I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to keep this very general and just ask my questions. Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? How did you pick your major? If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out what you were passionate about/wanted to do? How did you find internal motivation? How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? What jobs can blind people do without a degree? What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves until they find direction? I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply now in the situation I am in because those goals were training specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or knew what I needed to work on in each class. I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and telling me what to do. My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing after training or am I the only one? How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and what you wanted to do? The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather than sitting around. But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at least have a plan. Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! Kerri _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From rriffle2 at wvup.edu Tue Jun 11 05:02:40 2013 From: rriffle2 at wvup.edu (Ryan Riffle) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:02:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Preparing to attend an Nfb Training Center In-Reply-To: References: <51b1edde.e732ec0a.1e00.ffff8257@mx.google.com> <51F3723D-C789-4747-BDB3-D2B922EC3ADA@gmail.com> <-5204814487866836668@unknownmsgid> <997FE579-37BB-447C-8F74-68C7240FFA6E@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Hi My name is Ryan riffle is there someone that has attended blind inc > that I could talk to because I am interested in going to blind inc From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 05:42:51 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:42:51 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Mentorr program Message-ID: <29B8516C-58EF-4E89-A8D7-ABA425A1CB1D@gmail.com> Greetings: The National Association of Blind Students is excited to announce that we will be hosting a mentoring program as part of the activities for students at the 2013 NFB national convention, being held in Orlando Florida from July 1 to July6. We will be pairing students up with one-on-one student mentors who are experienced with national convention and, ideally, share professional and other interests. I know, this sounds great. But, to make it work, we need your participation! We are looking for folks who would be interested in having, or serving as, a student mentor during the week of convention. When selecting mentees, we will give preference to first-time convention attendees. But if there is enough space, we would like to open it up to those of you who have already attended a convention as well. In order to be a mentee, you must: Be a high school junior or senior, or a current college or graduate student (nontraditional students are welcome); and Be available to attend a welcome meeting with us on Monday, July 1 from 6:00-7:30 p.m. If you want to apply to become a mentee, please fill out a short survey at: http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/mentee-form In order to be a mentor, you must: Have attended at least one NFB convention before; Be a current college or graduate student, or have graduated within the last two years (nontraditional students are welcome); and Be available to attend a welcome meeting with us on Monday, July 1 from 6:00-7:30 p.m., and then be willing to spend some time with your mentee throughout the week. If you want to apply to become a mentor, please fill out a short survey at: http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/mentor-form Please share this with your friends or anybody who might be interested. Thank you for your interest in this new NABS program! Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com Tue Jun 11 18:24:11 2013 From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:24:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6EA6C3B3-72E4-4B32-8677-BC9312370E98@gmail.com> If you decide to enter college, you could enter as undecided like some has already stated. When I entered as undecided I took a career planning course. This course offered self evaluations and career interest inventory and much more related activities to help you figure these type of things out. You should see if a university or college in your area offer these type of courses. After taking this class, I realized that I had a love for Matt. I also figured out that I was a helping type person who like routine work. This steered my interest toward a business degree and at the end of the course, it all lined up with my history. while I was in high school, I was Junior and senior class treasurer, I was treasurer in the Alabama student division, and I did office work during the summer which was basically routine work. So this really helped me. HTH Tamka Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2013, at 10:52 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Kerri, > > I don't think this is all a blindness thing. I hope my ideas are not repetetive as I have not read all the responses yet. > You might want to tell us more about your background and interests and what opportunities are near you so we can help more. > I don't know where you live or what colleges are in your state. I'll try and speak generally too without knowing much about you. > > Confidence and self esteem is definitely built overtime. If you want to go to college, pick a major you are interested in and that leads to transferable career skills. if you have careers in mind that require a degree, then you may want to try a community college first if one is near you since you don't have the pressure of picking a major. Also, community college is cheaper and usually has smaller classes. > > Talk to your friends and family about this who know you better. Now a days, blind people can do most careers. > Once you have ideas of a handful of careers, you can seek mentors, both blind and sighted. AFB's career connect is a online community of mentors which is a good resource. > > Good luck. > > -----Original Message----- From: Kerri Kosten > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 7:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; Ed McDonald ; karen ; Anjelina Cruz ; Kea.anderson at gmail.com ; dsmithnfb at gmail.com ; Arielle Silverman > Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... > > Hi Everyone: > > I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try to > keep this very general and just ask my questions. > Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a career? > How did you pick your major? > If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out > what you were passionate about/wanted to do? > How did you find internal motivation? > How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? > What jobs can blind people do without a degree? > What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves > until they find direction? > I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did > really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply > now in the situation I am in because those goals were training > specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a > routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or > knew what I needed to work on in each class. > I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and > don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and > telling me what to do. > My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really > respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work as > hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just > left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find > motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. > Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing > after training or am I the only one? > How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and > what you wanted to do? > The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I > really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least have > a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think > that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am > motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather > than sitting around. > But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin > Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? > I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at > least have a plan. > Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 00:02:39 2013 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:02:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01ce6700$275e3770$761aa650$@gmail.com> Here here to Sean and his board for their great work. I think things with the NABS board have gotten a lot better since Terri's presidency. My only observation, whether it's good or bad is up to the reader, is the retention of NABS members after the student division years are over. There are a lot of people who burn out on the NFB, and after there is no NABS, there's really no more NFB. Yes, there are local chapters and state affiliates, but there are also families and professional responsibilities that significantly reduce the amount of time a person can devote to the cause. I think there is a place for young professionals in the movement that could be cultivated. Right now, you either grow up with NABS or you suck it up and deal with the old-timers of the chapters. No, nothing wrong with the older people. I learned a lot from them, but reality says most up and coming young professionals not already familiar with the organization are not going to join unless they have a reason to make it a priority. Me, I'm honestly still burned out. Logic says that I should just make the NFB a priority, but there is also the matter of enjoying the life of equality the organization fights to obtain. In short, not everyone wants to make the NFB their life. So, does that mean there is no room for whatever contributions we want to make? I guess that's up to future leaders at all levels of the organization to figure out, but times are changing. The relevance of the consumer organization as we know it will be redefined by the contact and immediacy of social networking. I'd devote another hundred pages to the subject, but I'm tired of my own rants. Take this for whatever it's worth. Joe From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Wed Jun 12 00:40:48 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:40:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com><4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC> Message-ID: Hello Arielle, Thank you for providing your perspective regarding the history of the NABS updates. I did not know this was something you struggled with when you were the President as well. However, I have always enjoyed reading them whoever was in charge of creating them. I guess from my point of view, I see the NABS Updates and the Student Slate serving two different functions. I enjoy reading the Student Slate as something for longer in-depth articles that inspire and motivate me to become more involved in the organization as well as life in general as a blind student. However, I also enjoy reading the NABS Updates for more of the shorter announcements regarding the logistics of the organization. I enjoyed being able to find all major announcements all in one place. I also enjoyed reading the summaries of how major events turned out especially when I am not able to attend them. And most of all, I enjoyed reading what other state student divisions have been doing. Granted, not everyone can participate in what every other state student division is doing, but when you are a struggling state student division, these short announcements can help provide ideas on what is possible. If something works for another state then perhaps it can work in your state as well. However, I completely understand that people lead busy lives, and producing a monthly NABS update along with the current issues of the Student Slate may be too much. But perhaps there might be some workable solution that would allow for some combination of both. Perhaps the NABS Updates are not produced as often, or maybe simply in-between the issues of the Student Slate. Perhaps each board member could take a turn writing the NABS Update highlighting some of their individual accomplishments, or what they plan to accomplish, as a member of the board. I am not quite sure what the answer might be, but I know I definitely miss reading the NABS Updates, and would like to see them return in some sort of fashion. Warm regards, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arielle Silverman" Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > Hi all, > > If I may, I'd like to offer a little bit of historical perspective on > the NABS presidential updates. When I first joined NABS ten years ago, > the president would write a quarterly update which would appear in the > Student Slate in place of the editor's introduction, explaining what > NABS has been up to and what is planned for the upcoming months. More > recently, NABS went through a period of a few years where the Slate > was published very irregularly. When I became president in 2009, I was > concerned about whether or not we could return to quarterly Slate > releases, so I started releasing monthly updates so that the > membership could stay up-to-date on NABS board activities and upcoming > events even if the Slate did not come out very often. Now that we have > a wonderful, dependable Slate committee publishing regular issues > again, the NABS updates may be able to go back on a quarterly schedule > and be published in the Slate. I will also add that writing monthly > updates by myself was a fairly time-consuming task, and I, too, > thought about stopping them because it seemed to me that few people > actually read them. Several members of my board (including our current > NABS president) encouraged me to keep going with the monthly updates, > so I did. Sean continued the monthly updates for a time after becoming > president, but I know he is a busy guy and may have just decided that > it was too much. I do think that if even a few people read the updates > with interest, it is probably worth continuing them, but perhaps the > NABS board could pick up some of the workload of writing them so it's > not all on the president's shoulders, or go to a quarterly schedule. > Finally, the issue of membership feeling a lack of communication with > the board is a perennial complaint I've seen come up over and over > with multiple NABS administrations. So the current administration > should not at all feel singled out by this complaint. To an extent it > is natural for a national organization like NABS to experience > occasional lapses in communication. I have also learned that managing > communication between board and membership is a responsibility that > must be shared between both parties. There are always things the board > could be doing to more clearly communicate about past accomplishments > and future plans, but there are also ways for interested members to > initiate communication with the board. Calling or emailing NABS board > members to ask what's been going on or to offer feedback is great, but > an even better way to stay in the loop would be to serve on a NABS > committee. Much of the day-to-day work of NABS is conducted within > committees. Board members chair them, but members do (or at least > should) form the backbone of the committees and carry out the > organization's day-to-day operations. And, there are openings for > several board members at this year's election. > > Best, > Arielle > > On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: >> Hello all, >> I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS >> board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that this >> organization is one that only functions at it's best when it's >> membership is a vital part of it's activities. >> Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of >> building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, >> your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and >> we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we >> grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's >> thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. >> We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We >> need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that >> need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil >> rights. >> we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even >> more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. >> You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up >> important topics of interest to be discussed. >> Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your >> passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please >> bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National office, >> especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. >> >> Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. >> What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a >> better tomorrow? >> I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve in >> a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve >> somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are >> perfect. >> >> So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can >> improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. >> >> Best, >> >> Darian >> >> >> >> On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: >>> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what nabs >>> was >>> doing. >>> Rania, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >>> Mohnke >>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>> >>> Hello Sean, >>> >>> I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be a >>> personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to >>> discount >>> the participation of any particular individual within this organization. >>> I >>> was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this >>> organization being about the members at large and not just the board as >>> mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. >>> >>> Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the goals >>> of >>> >>> the current board is to make the organization about the membership at >>> large >>> >>> and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a growing >>> disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this disconnect take >>> place >>> as >>> >>> well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the monthly >>> updates. >>> >>> I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the things >>> that >>> you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure how I am expected >>> to >>> >>> know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it >>> appears >>> >>> as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the scenes >>> without >>> >>> the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from my >>> observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are some >>> things >>> >>> going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership at >>> large. >>> >>> Since the comment about the organization being about the membership at >>> large >>> >>> and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all of >>> the >>> student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable subject to >>> discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have seen this same >>> disconnect from the membership at large and the board, or if it was just >>> me. >>> >>> I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the monthly >>> updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. Again,, I am >>> sorry >>> you took my email so personally. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: >>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something >>>> that >>>> you >>>> found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The >>>> impression >>>> I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they >>>> do >>>> take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for >>>> writing >>>> to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization >>>> of >>>> the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with >>>> many >>>> other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last >>>> year. >>>> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state >>>> conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list >>>> and >>>> put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative >>>> membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have >>>> held >>>> a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a >>>> mentoring >>>> program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place >>>> in >>>> Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the >>>> NFB >>>> as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike >>>> who >>>> hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and affiliates. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do >>>> not >>>> appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called out >>>> for >>>> doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what >>>> NABS >>>> or the board could be doing better are always welcome at >>>> nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be it >>>> positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy that >>>> many >>>> individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make >>>> progress on issues of importance to all of us. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sean Whalen >>>> >>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> (608) 332-4147 >>>> >>>> Nabs.president at gmail.com >>>> >>>> www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail >>> .com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Darian Smith >> >> >> Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund >> via your phone bill. >> >> The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with >> Disabilities >> >> http://www.nfb.org/fairwages >> >> >> “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is >> made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. >> These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our >> knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” >> -Darian Smith >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jun 12 00:54:12 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:54:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com><4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC> Message-ID: <03DCD7B405A948B9BE219D4097B5B589@OwnerPC> Hello, I agree with Elizabeth. You expressed my sentements too. I see the slate for more in depth articles and stories about students. I found them inspiring and informative. For instance, Mary Fernandez wrote an article on volunteering, an article about finding her first job and one on clothes. I liked the nabs updates for the same reasons you expressed. I am not in a state with an active student division and when I went to meetings several years and tried to reach other students in between, I got discouraged. We tried a listserve, but vabs remains inactive to this day. People in our state cannot or will not even take the time to post to the list. So, I liked hearing about other student division successes and activities. I hope they return; maybe not monthly, but enough to keep us informed. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:40 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing Hello Arielle, Thank you for providing your perspective regarding the history of the NABS updates. I did not know this was something you struggled with when you were the President as well. However, I have always enjoyed reading them whoever was in charge of creating them. I guess from my point of view, I see the NABS Updates and the Student Slate serving two different functions. I enjoy reading the Student Slate as something for longer in-depth articles that inspire and motivate me to become more involved in the organization as well as life in general as a blind student. However, I also enjoy reading the NABS Updates for more of the shorter announcements regarding the logistics of the organization. I enjoyed being able to find all major announcements all in one place. I also enjoyed reading the summaries of how major events turned out especially when I am not able to attend them. And most of all, I enjoyed reading what other state student divisions have been doing. Granted, not everyone can participate in what every other state student division is doing, but when you are a struggling state student division, these short announcements can help provide ideas on what is possible. If something works for another state then perhaps it can work in your state as well. However, I completely understand that people lead busy lives, and producing a monthly NABS update along with the current issues of the Student Slate may be too much. But perhaps there might be some workable solution that would allow for some combination of both. Perhaps the NABS Updates are not produced as often, or maybe simply in-between the issues of the Student Slate. Perhaps each board member could take a turn writing the NABS Update highlighting some of their individual accomplishments, or what they plan to accomplish, as a member of the board. I am not quite sure what the answer might be, but I know I definitely miss reading the NABS Updates, and would like to see them return in some sort of fashion. Warm regards, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arielle Silverman" Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > Hi all, > > If I may, I'd like to offer a little bit of historical perspective on > the NABS presidential updates. When I first joined NABS ten years ago, > the president would write a quarterly update which would appear in the > Student Slate in place of the editor's introduction, explaining what > NABS has been up to and what is planned for the upcoming months. More > recently, NABS went through a period of a few years where the Slate > was published very irregularly. When I became president in 2009, I was > concerned about whether or not we could return to quarterly Slate > releases, so I started releasing monthly updates so that the > membership could stay up-to-date on NABS board activities and upcoming > events even if the Slate did not come out very often. Now that we have > a wonderful, dependable Slate committee publishing regular issues > again, the NABS updates may be able to go back on a quarterly schedule > and be published in the Slate. I will also add that writing monthly > updates by myself was a fairly time-consuming task, and I, too, > thought about stopping them because it seemed to me that few people > actually read them. Several members of my board (including our current > NABS president) encouraged me to keep going with the monthly updates, > so I did. Sean continued the monthly updates for a time after becoming > president, but I know he is a busy guy and may have just decided that > it was too much. I do think that if even a few people read the updates > with interest, it is probably worth continuing them, but perhaps the > NABS board could pick up some of the workload of writing them so it's > not all on the president's shoulders, or go to a quarterly schedule. > Finally, the issue of membership feeling a lack of communication with > the board is a perennial complaint I've seen come up over and over > with multiple NABS administrations. So the current administration > should not at all feel singled out by this complaint. To an extent it > is natural for a national organization like NABS to experience > occasional lapses in communication. I have also learned that managing > communication between board and membership is a responsibility that > must be shared between both parties. There are always things the board > could be doing to more clearly communicate about past accomplishments > and future plans, but there are also ways for interested members to > initiate communication with the board. Calling or emailing NABS board > members to ask what's been going on or to offer feedback is great, but > an even better way to stay in the loop would be to serve on a NABS > committee. Much of the day-to-day work of NABS is conducted within > committees. Board members chair them, but members do (or at least > should) form the backbone of the committees and carry out the > organization's day-to-day operations. And, there are openings for > several board members at this year's election. > > Best, > Arielle > > On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: >> Hello all, >> I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS >> board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that this >> organization is one that only functions at it's best when it's >> membership is a vital part of it's activities. >> Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of >> building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, >> your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and >> we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we >> grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's >> thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. >> We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We >> need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that >> need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil >> rights. >> we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even >> more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. >> You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up >> important topics of interest to be discussed. >> Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your >> passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please >> bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National office, >> especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. >> >> Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. >> What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a >> better tomorrow? >> I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve in >> a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve >> somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are >> perfect. >> >> So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can >> improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. >> >> Best, >> >> Darian >> >> >> >> On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: >>> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what nabs >>> was >>> doing. >>> Rania, >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >>> Mohnke >>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>> >>> Hello Sean, >>> >>> I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be a >>> personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to >>> discount >>> the participation of any particular individual within this organization. >>> I >>> was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this >>> organization being about the members at large and not just the board as >>> mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. >>> >>> Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the goals >>> of >>> >>> the current board is to make the organization about the membership at >>> large >>> >>> and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a growing >>> disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this disconnect take >>> place >>> as >>> >>> well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the monthly >>> updates. >>> >>> I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the things >>> that >>> you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure how I am expected >>> to >>> >>> know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it >>> appears >>> >>> as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the scenes >>> without >>> >>> the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from my >>> observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are some >>> things >>> >>> going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership at >>> large. >>> >>> Since the comment about the organization being about the membership at >>> large >>> >>> and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all of >>> the >>> student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable subject to >>> discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have seen this same >>> disconnect from the membership at large and the board, or if it was just >>> me. >>> >>> I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the monthly >>> updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. Again,, I am >>> sorry >>> you took my email so personally. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: >>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something >>>> that >>>> you >>>> found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The >>>> impression >>>> I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they >>>> do >>>> take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for >>>> writing >>>> to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization >>>> of >>>> the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with >>>> many >>>> other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last >>>> year. >>>> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state >>>> conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list >>>> and >>>> put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative >>>> membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have >>>> held >>>> a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a >>>> mentoring >>>> program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place >>>> in >>>> Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the >>>> NFB >>>> as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike >>>> who >>>> hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and affiliates. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do >>>> not >>>> appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called out >>>> for >>>> doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what >>>> NABS >>>> or the board could be doing better are always welcome at >>>> nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be it >>>> positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy that >>>> many >>>> individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make >>>> progress on issues of importance to all of us. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sean Whalen >>>> >>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> (608) 332-4147 >>>> >>>> Nabs.president at gmail.com >>>> >>>> www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail >>> .com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Darian Smith >> >> >> Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund >> via your phone bill. >> >> The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with >> Disabilities >> >> http://www.nfb.org/fairwages >> >> >> “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is >> made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. >> These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our >> knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” >> -Darian Smith >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 01:29:10 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:29:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: <03DCD7B405A948B9BE219D4097B5B589@OwnerPC> References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> <4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC> <03DCD7B405A948B9BE219D4097B5B589@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Joe, I think you make an excellent point about finding a place for young professionals in this organization. I am still a student, but am reaching the end of my studies and am at an age where most of my friends are now young professionals. I, too, have begun to feel burned out which was a big part of the reason for my resignation from NABS leadership in 2011. I agree that there isn't a great place for young professionals in the NFB yet. I also think that we could do better at reaching out to people who have finished their education but are not yet employed, or who are struggling to find work. Unemployment is obviously a huge issue facing blind people, and securing education and blindness skill training is only part of the solution for that. Perhaps the employment committee should be expanded or converted into a division for young professionals and those looking to start careers (including non-traditional students who have graduated and are now looking to start second or third careers?) Best, Arielle On 6/11/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hello, > I agree with Elizabeth. You expressed my sentements too. > I see the slate for more in depth articles and stories about students. I > found them inspiring and informative. For instance, Mary Fernandez wrote an > > article on volunteering, an article about finding her first job and one on > clothes. I liked the nabs updates for the same reasons you expressed. I am > > not in a state with an active student division and when I went to meetings > > several years and tried to reach other students in between, I got > discouraged. We tried a listserve, but vabs remains inactive to this day. > People in our state cannot or will not even take the time to post to the > list. > So, I liked hearing about other student division successes and activities. > > I hope they return; maybe not monthly, but enough to keep us informed. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Mohnke > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:40 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > > Hello Arielle, > > Thank you for providing your perspective regarding the history of the NABS > updates. I did not know this was something you struggled with when you were > the President as well. However, I have always enjoyed reading them whoever > was in charge of creating them. > > I guess from my point of view, I see the NABS Updates and the Student Slate > serving two different functions. I enjoy reading the Student Slate as > something for longer in-depth articles that inspire and motivate me to > become more involved in the organization as well as life in general as a > blind student. However, I also enjoy reading the NABS Updates for more of > the shorter announcements regarding the logistics of the organization. > > I enjoyed being able to find all major announcements all in one place. I > also enjoyed reading the summaries of how major events turned out > especially > when I am not able to attend them. And most of all, I enjoyed reading what > other state student divisions have been doing. Granted, not everyone can > participate in what every other state student division is doing, but when > you are a struggling state student division, these short announcements can > help provide ideas on what is possible. If something works for another > state > then perhaps it can work in your state as well. > > However, I completely understand that people lead busy lives, and producing > a monthly NABS update along with the current issues of the Student Slate > may > be too much. But perhaps there might be some workable solution that would > allow for some combination of both. Perhaps the NABS Updates are not > produced as often, or maybe simply in-between the issues of the Student > Slate. Perhaps each board member could take a turn writing the NABS Update > highlighting some of their individual accomplishments, or what they plan to > accomplish, as a member of the board. I am not quite sure what the answer > might be, but I know I definitely miss reading the NABS Updates, and would > like to see them return in some sort of fashion. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > >> Hi all, >> >> If I may, I'd like to offer a little bit of historical perspective on >> the NABS presidential updates. When I first joined NABS ten years ago, >> the president would write a quarterly update which would appear in the >> Student Slate in place of the editor's introduction, explaining what >> NABS has been up to and what is planned for the upcoming months. More >> recently, NABS went through a period of a few years where the Slate >> was published very irregularly. When I became president in 2009, I was >> concerned about whether or not we could return to quarterly Slate >> releases, so I started releasing monthly updates so that the >> membership could stay up-to-date on NABS board activities and upcoming >> events even if the Slate did not come out very often. Now that we have >> a wonderful, dependable Slate committee publishing regular issues >> again, the NABS updates may be able to go back on a quarterly schedule >> and be published in the Slate. I will also add that writing monthly >> updates by myself was a fairly time-consuming task, and I, too, >> thought about stopping them because it seemed to me that few people >> actually read them. Several members of my board (including our current >> NABS president) encouraged me to keep going with the monthly updates, >> so I did. Sean continued the monthly updates for a time after becoming >> president, but I know he is a busy guy and may have just decided that >> it was too much. I do think that if even a few people read the updates >> with interest, it is probably worth continuing them, but perhaps the >> NABS board could pick up some of the workload of writing them so it's >> not all on the president's shoulders, or go to a quarterly schedule. >> Finally, the issue of membership feeling a lack of communication with >> the board is a perennial complaint I've seen come up over and over >> with multiple NABS administrations. So the current administration >> should not at all feel singled out by this complaint. To an extent it >> is natural for a national organization like NABS to experience >> occasional lapses in communication. I have also learned that managing >> communication between board and membership is a responsibility that >> must be shared between both parties. There are always things the board >> could be doing to more clearly communicate about past accomplishments >> and future plans, but there are also ways for interested members to >> initiate communication with the board. Calling or emailing NABS board >> members to ask what's been going on or to offer feedback is great, but >> an even better way to stay in the loop would be to serve on a NABS >> committee. Much of the day-to-day work of NABS is conducted within >> committees. Board members chair them, but members do (or at least >> should) form the backbone of the committees and carry out the >> organization's day-to-day operations. And, there are openings for >> several board members at this year's election. >> >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS >>> board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that this >>> organization is one that only functions at it's best when it's >>> membership is a vital part of it's activities. >>> Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of >>> building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, >>> your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and >>> we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we >>> grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's >>> thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. >>> We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We >>> need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that >>> need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil >>> rights. >>> we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even >>> more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. >>> You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up >>> important topics of interest to be discussed. >>> Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your >>> passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please >>> bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National office, >>> especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. >>> >>> Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. >>> What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a >>> better tomorrow? >>> I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve in >>> a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve >>> somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are >>> perfect. >>> >>> So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can >>> improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Darian >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: >>>> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what nabs >>>> was >>>> doing. >>>> Rania, >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >>>> Mohnke >>>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>> >>>> Hello Sean, >>>> >>>> I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be a >>>> personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to >>>> discount >>>> the participation of any particular individual within this >>>> organization. >>>> I >>>> was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this >>>> organization being about the members at large and not just the board as >>>> mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. >>>> >>>> Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the >>>> goals >>>> of >>>> >>>> the current board is to make the organization about the membership at >>>> large >>>> >>>> and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a growing >>>> disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this disconnect take >>>> place >>>> as >>>> >>>> well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the monthly >>>> updates. >>>> >>>> I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the things >>>> that >>>> you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure how I am >>>> expected >>>> to >>>> >>>> know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it >>>> appears >>>> >>>> as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the scenes >>>> without >>>> >>>> the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from my >>>> observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are some >>>> things >>>> >>>> going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership at >>>> large. >>>> >>>> Since the comment about the organization being about the membership at >>>> large >>>> >>>> and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all of >>>> the >>>> student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable subject to >>>> discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have seen this same >>>> disconnect from the membership at large and the board, or if it was >>>> just >>>> me. >>>> >>>> I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the monthly >>>> updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. Again,, I am >>>> sorry >>>> you took my email so personally. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> Elizabeth >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something >>>>> that >>>>> you >>>>> found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The >>>>> impression >>>>> I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they >>>>> do >>>>> take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for >>>>> writing >>>>> to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization >>>>> of >>>>> the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with >>>>> many >>>>> other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last >>>>> year. >>>>> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state >>>>> conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list >>>>> and >>>>> put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative >>>>> membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have >>>>> held >>>>> a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a >>>>> mentoring >>>>> program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place >>>>> in >>>>> Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the >>>>> NFB >>>>> as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike >>>>> who >>>>> hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and >>>>> affiliates. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do >>>>> not >>>>> appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called >>>>> out >>>>> for >>>>> doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what >>>>> NABS >>>>> or the board could be doing better are always welcome at >>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be >>>>> it >>>>> positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy >>>>> that >>>>> many >>>>> individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make >>>>> progress on issues of importance to all of us. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sean Whalen >>>>> >>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>>>> (608) 332-4147 >>>>> >>>>> Nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> www.nabslink.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail >>>> .com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Darian Smith >>> >>> >>> Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund >>> via your phone bill. >>> >>> The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with >>> Disabilities >>> >>> http://www.nfb.org/fairwages >>> >>> >>> “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is >>> made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. >>> These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our >>> knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” >>> -Darian Smith >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 02:13:15 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:13:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> <4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC> <03DCD7B405A948B9BE219D4097B5B589@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I was one of those for a while until I came back to school; I would still join such a division. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing Hi Joe, I think you make an excellent point about finding a place for young professionals in this organization. I am still a student, but am reaching the end of my studies and am at an age where most of my friends are now young professionals. I, too, have begun to feel burned out which was a big part of the reason for my resignation from NABS leadership in 2011. I agree that there isn't a great place for young professionals in the NFB yet. I also think that we could do better at reaching out to people who have finished their education but are not yet employed, or who are struggling to find work. Unemployment is obviously a huge issue facing blind people, and securing education and blindness skill training is only part of the solution for that. Perhaps the employment committee should be expanded or converted into a division for young professionals and those looking to start careers (including non-traditional students who have graduated and are now looking to start second or third careers?) Best, Arielle On 6/11/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hello, > I agree with Elizabeth. You expressed my sentements too. > I see the slate for more in depth articles and stories about students. > I found them inspiring and informative. For instance, Mary Fernandez > wrote an > > article on volunteering, an article about finding her first job and > one on clothes. I liked the nabs updates for the same reasons you > expressed. I am > > not in a state with an active student division and when I went to > meetings > > several years and tried to reach other students in between, I got > discouraged. We tried a listserve, but vabs remains inactive to this day. > People in our state cannot or will not even take the time to post to > the list. > So, I liked hearing about other student division successes and activities. > > I hope they return; maybe not monthly, but enough to keep us informed. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Mohnke > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:40 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > > Hello Arielle, > > Thank you for providing your perspective regarding the history of the > NABS updates. I did not know this was something you struggled with > when you were the President as well. However, I have always enjoyed > reading them whoever was in charge of creating them. > > I guess from my point of view, I see the NABS Updates and the Student > Slate serving two different functions. I enjoy reading the Student > Slate as something for longer in-depth articles that inspire and > motivate me to become more involved in the organization as well as > life in general as a blind student. However, I also enjoy reading the > NABS Updates for more of the shorter announcements regarding the logistics of the organization. > > I enjoyed being able to find all major announcements all in one place. > I also enjoyed reading the summaries of how major events turned out > especially when I am not able to attend them. And most of all, I > enjoyed reading what other state student divisions have been doing. > Granted, not everyone can participate in what every other state > student division is doing, but when you are a struggling state student > division, these short announcements can help provide ideas on what is > possible. If something works for another state then perhaps it can > work in your state as well. > > However, I completely understand that people lead busy lives, and > producing a monthly NABS update along with the current issues of the > Student Slate may be too much. But perhaps there might be some > workable solution that would allow for some combination of both. > Perhaps the NABS Updates are not produced as often, or maybe simply > in-between the issues of the Student Slate. Perhaps each board member > could take a turn writing the NABS Update highlighting some of their > individual accomplishments, or what they plan to accomplish, as a > member of the board. I am not quite sure what the answer might be, but > I know I definitely miss reading the NABS Updates, and would like to > see them return in some sort of fashion. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > >> Hi all, >> >> If I may, I'd like to offer a little bit of historical perspective on >> the NABS presidential updates. When I first joined NABS ten years >> ago, the president would write a quarterly update which would appear >> in the Student Slate in place of the editor's introduction, >> explaining what NABS has been up to and what is planned for the >> upcoming months. More recently, NABS went through a period of a few >> years where the Slate was published very irregularly. When I became >> president in 2009, I was concerned about whether or not we could >> return to quarterly Slate releases, so I started releasing monthly >> updates so that the membership could stay up-to-date on NABS board >> activities and upcoming events even if the Slate did not come out >> very often. Now that we have a wonderful, dependable Slate committee >> publishing regular issues again, the NABS updates may be able to go >> back on a quarterly schedule and be published in the Slate. I will >> also add that writing monthly updates by myself was a fairly >> time-consuming task, and I, too, thought about stopping them because >> it seemed to me that few people actually read them. Several members >> of my board (including our current NABS president) encouraged me to >> keep going with the monthly updates, so I did. Sean continued the >> monthly updates for a time after becoming president, but I know he is >> a busy guy and may have just decided that it was too much. I do think >> that if even a few people read the updates with interest, it is >> probably worth continuing them, but perhaps the NABS board could pick >> up some of the workload of writing them so it's not all on the president's shoulders, or go to a quarterly schedule. >> Finally, the issue of membership feeling a lack of communication with >> the board is a perennial complaint I've seen come up over and over >> with multiple NABS administrations. So the current administration >> should not at all feel singled out by this complaint. To an extent it >> is natural for a national organization like NABS to experience >> occasional lapses in communication. I have also learned that managing >> communication between board and membership is a responsibility that >> must be shared between both parties. There are always things the >> board could be doing to more clearly communicate about past >> accomplishments and future plans, but there are also ways for >> interested members to initiate communication with the board. Calling >> or emailing NABS board members to ask what's been going on or to >> offer feedback is great, but an even better way to stay in the loop >> would be to serve on a NABS committee. Much of the day-to-day work of >> NABS is conducted within committees. Board members chair them, but >> members do (or at least >> should) form the backbone of the committees and carry out the >> organization's day-to-day operations. And, there are openings for >> several board members at this year's election. >> >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS >>> board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that >>> this organization is one that only functions at it's best when it's >>> membership is a vital part of it's activities. >>> Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of >>> building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, >>> your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and >>> we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we >>> grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's >>> thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. >>> We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We >>> need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that >>> need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil >>> rights. >>> we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even >>> more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. >>> You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up >>> important topics of interest to be discussed. >>> Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your >>> passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please >>> bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National >>> office, especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. >>> >>> Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. >>> What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a >>> better tomorrow? >>> I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve >>> in a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve >>> somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are >>> perfect. >>> >>> So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can >>> improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Darian >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: >>>> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what >>>> nabs was doing. >>>> Rania, >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Elizabeth Mohnke >>>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>> >>>> Hello Sean, >>>> >>>> I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be >>>> a personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to >>>> discount the participation of any particular individual within this >>>> organization. >>>> I >>>> was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this >>>> organization being about the members at large and not just the >>>> board as mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. >>>> >>>> Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the >>>> goals of >>>> >>>> the current board is to make the organization about the membership >>>> at large >>>> >>>> and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a >>>> growing disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this >>>> disconnect take place as >>>> >>>> well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the >>>> monthly updates. >>>> >>>> I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the >>>> things that you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure >>>> how I am expected to >>>> >>>> know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it >>>> appears >>>> >>>> as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the >>>> scenes without >>>> >>>> the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from >>>> my observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are >>>> some things >>>> >>>> going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership >>>> at large. >>>> >>>> Since the comment about the organization being about the membership >>>> at large >>>> >>>> and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all >>>> of the student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable >>>> subject to discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have >>>> seen this same disconnect from the membership at large and the >>>> board, or if it was just me. >>>> >>>> I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the >>>> monthly updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. >>>> Again,, I am sorry you took my email so personally. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> Elizabeth >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are >>>>> something that you found useful. Perhaps we should consider >>>>> bringing those back. The impression I had was that not many people >>>>> took the trouble to read them, and they do take a fair amount of >>>>> time and effort to put together. Thank you for writing to suggest >>>>> the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your >>>>> characterization of the current situation. NABS board members, >>>>> working side by side with many other members of NABS, have engaged >>>>> in multiple projects over the last year. >>>>> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and >>>>> state conventions around the country. We have overhauled the >>>>> membership list and put it in a searchable database. We have held >>>>> multiple informative membership calls. We have put out issues of >>>>> the Student Slate. We have held a student leadership seminar in >>>>> Baltimore. We have worked on a mentoring program for first-time >>>>> convention attendees that will be taking place in Orlando. We have >>>>> raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the NFB as a >>>>> whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike >>>>> who hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and >>>>> affiliates. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I >>>>> do not appreciate having my board and our many hard-working >>>>> members called out for doing nothing in a public forum such as >>>>> this list. Suggestions on what NABS or the board could be doing >>>>> better are always welcome at nabs.president at gmail.com. I >>>>> appreciate all constructive feedback, be it positive or negative. >>>>> But let us not discredit the time and energy that many individuals >>>>> volunteer to continue to build our organization and make progress >>>>> on issues of importance to all of us. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sean Whalen >>>>> >>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>>>> (608) 332-4147 >>>>> >>>>> Nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> www.nabslink.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke% >>>> 40hotmail >>>> .com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismai >>>> l04%40gma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Darian Smith >>> >>> >>> Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination >>> Fund via your phone bill. >>> >>> The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with >>> Disabilities >>> >>> http://www.nfb.org/fairwages >>> >>> >>> "We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is >>> made up of our ancestor's Dreams, their stories and hopes. >>> These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our >>> knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment." >>> -Darian Smith >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%4 >>> 0gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40 >> hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 02:58:22 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 20:58:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com><4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC><03DCD7B405A948B9BE219D4097B5B589@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4BCE3BECBD5A4C73938B4F82FAA15EB1@HP30910210001> Arielle. Once again you have made some good points. i am in that transition phase as well. I am going from a student to looking for work. I have also been very vocal about employment being a key issue for the nfb. I think that its great that they are bringing back the job faire to national convention this year, and that the seminars are giving job seekers and employers a chance to find each other. Its a start anyway. Blessings, Melissa and Pj "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson facebook Melissa R Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing Hi Joe, I think you make an excellent point about finding a place for young professionals in this organization. I am still a student, but am reaching the end of my studies and am at an age where most of my friends are now young professionals. I, too, have begun to feel burned out which was a big part of the reason for my resignation from NABS leadership in 2011. I agree that there isn't a great place for young professionals in the NFB yet. I also think that we could do better at reaching out to people who have finished their education but are not yet employed, or who are struggling to find work. Unemployment is obviously a huge issue facing blind people, and securing education and blindness skill training is only part of the solution for that. Perhaps the employment committee should be expanded or converted into a division for young professionals and those looking to start careers (including non-traditional students who have graduated and are now looking to start second or third careers?) Best, Arielle On 6/11/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hello, > I agree with Elizabeth. You expressed my sentements too. > I see the slate for more in depth articles and stories about students. I > found them inspiring and informative. For instance, Mary Fernandez wrote > an > > article on volunteering, an article about finding her first job and one on > clothes. I liked the nabs updates for the same reasons you expressed. I > am > > not in a state with an active student division and when I went to > meetings > > several years and tried to reach other students in between, I got > discouraged. We tried a listserve, but vabs remains inactive to this day. > People in our state cannot or will not even take the time to post to the > list. > So, I liked hearing about other student division successes and activities. > > I hope they return; maybe not monthly, but enough to keep us informed. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Mohnke > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:40 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > > Hello Arielle, > > Thank you for providing your perspective regarding the history of the NABS > updates. I did not know this was something you struggled with when you > were > the President as well. However, I have always enjoyed reading them whoever > was in charge of creating them. > > I guess from my point of view, I see the NABS Updates and the Student > Slate > serving two different functions. I enjoy reading the Student Slate as > something for longer in-depth articles that inspire and motivate me to > become more involved in the organization as well as life in general as a > blind student. However, I also enjoy reading the NABS Updates for more of > the shorter announcements regarding the logistics of the organization. > > I enjoyed being able to find all major announcements all in one place. I > also enjoyed reading the summaries of how major events turned out > especially > when I am not able to attend them. And most of all, I enjoyed reading what > other state student divisions have been doing. Granted, not everyone can > participate in what every other state student division is doing, but when > you are a struggling state student division, these short announcements can > help provide ideas on what is possible. If something works for another > state > then perhaps it can work in your state as well. > > However, I completely understand that people lead busy lives, and > producing > a monthly NABS update along with the current issues of the Student Slate > may > be too much. But perhaps there might be some workable solution that would > allow for some combination of both. Perhaps the NABS Updates are not > produced as often, or maybe simply in-between the issues of the Student > Slate. Perhaps each board member could take a turn writing the NABS Update > highlighting some of their individual accomplishments, or what they plan > to > accomplish, as a member of the board. I am not quite sure what the answer > might be, but I know I definitely miss reading the NABS Updates, and would > like to see them return in some sort of fashion. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > >> Hi all, >> >> If I may, I'd like to offer a little bit of historical perspective on >> the NABS presidential updates. When I first joined NABS ten years ago, >> the president would write a quarterly update which would appear in the >> Student Slate in place of the editor's introduction, explaining what >> NABS has been up to and what is planned for the upcoming months. More >> recently, NABS went through a period of a few years where the Slate >> was published very irregularly. When I became president in 2009, I was >> concerned about whether or not we could return to quarterly Slate >> releases, so I started releasing monthly updates so that the >> membership could stay up-to-date on NABS board activities and upcoming >> events even if the Slate did not come out very often. Now that we have >> a wonderful, dependable Slate committee publishing regular issues >> again, the NABS updates may be able to go back on a quarterly schedule >> and be published in the Slate. I will also add that writing monthly >> updates by myself was a fairly time-consuming task, and I, too, >> thought about stopping them because it seemed to me that few people >> actually read them. Several members of my board (including our current >> NABS president) encouraged me to keep going with the monthly updates, >> so I did. Sean continued the monthly updates for a time after becoming >> president, but I know he is a busy guy and may have just decided that >> it was too much. I do think that if even a few people read the updates >> with interest, it is probably worth continuing them, but perhaps the >> NABS board could pick up some of the workload of writing them so it's >> not all on the president's shoulders, or go to a quarterly schedule. >> Finally, the issue of membership feeling a lack of communication with >> the board is a perennial complaint I've seen come up over and over >> with multiple NABS administrations. So the current administration >> should not at all feel singled out by this complaint. To an extent it >> is natural for a national organization like NABS to experience >> occasional lapses in communication. I have also learned that managing >> communication between board and membership is a responsibility that >> must be shared between both parties. There are always things the board >> could be doing to more clearly communicate about past accomplishments >> and future plans, but there are also ways for interested members to >> initiate communication with the board. Calling or emailing NABS board >> members to ask what's been going on or to offer feedback is great, but >> an even better way to stay in the loop would be to serve on a NABS >> committee. Much of the day-to-day work of NABS is conducted within >> committees. Board members chair them, but members do (or at least >> should) form the backbone of the committees and carry out the >> organization's day-to-day operations. And, there are openings for >> several board members at this year's election. >> >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS >>> board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that this >>> organization is one that only functions at it's best when it's >>> membership is a vital part of it's activities. >>> Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of >>> building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, >>> your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and >>> we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we >>> grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's >>> thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. >>> We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We >>> need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that >>> need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil >>> rights. >>> we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even >>> more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. >>> You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up >>> important topics of interest to be discussed. >>> Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your >>> passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please >>> bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National office, >>> especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. >>> >>> Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. >>> What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a >>> better tomorrow? >>> I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve in >>> a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve >>> somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are >>> perfect. >>> >>> So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can >>> improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Darian >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: >>>> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what nabs >>>> was >>>> doing. >>>> Rania, >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >>>> Mohnke >>>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>> >>>> Hello Sean, >>>> >>>> I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be a >>>> personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to >>>> discount >>>> the participation of any particular individual within this >>>> organization. >>>> I >>>> was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this >>>> organization being about the members at large and not just the board as >>>> mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. >>>> >>>> Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the >>>> goals >>>> of >>>> >>>> the current board is to make the organization about the membership at >>>> large >>>> >>>> and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a growing >>>> disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this disconnect take >>>> place >>>> as >>>> >>>> well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the monthly >>>> updates. >>>> >>>> I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the things >>>> that >>>> you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure how I am >>>> expected >>>> to >>>> >>>> know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it >>>> appears >>>> >>>> as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the scenes >>>> without >>>> >>>> the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from my >>>> observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are some >>>> things >>>> >>>> going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership at >>>> large. >>>> >>>> Since the comment about the organization being about the membership at >>>> large >>>> >>>> and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all of >>>> the >>>> student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable subject to >>>> discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have seen this same >>>> disconnect from the membership at large and the board, or if it was >>>> just >>>> me. >>>> >>>> I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the monthly >>>> updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. Again,, I am >>>> sorry >>>> you took my email so personally. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> Elizabeth >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something >>>>> that >>>>> you >>>>> found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The >>>>> impression >>>>> I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they >>>>> do >>>>> take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for >>>>> writing >>>>> to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization >>>>> of >>>>> the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with >>>>> many >>>>> other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last >>>>> year. >>>>> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state >>>>> conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list >>>>> and >>>>> put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative >>>>> membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have >>>>> held >>>>> a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a >>>>> mentoring >>>>> program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place >>>>> in >>>>> Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the >>>>> NFB >>>>> as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike >>>>> who >>>>> hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and >>>>> affiliates. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do >>>>> not >>>>> appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called >>>>> out >>>>> for >>>>> doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what >>>>> NABS >>>>> or the board could be doing better are always welcome at >>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be >>>>> it >>>>> positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy >>>>> that >>>>> many >>>>> individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make >>>>> progress on issues of importance to all of us. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sean Whalen >>>>> >>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>>>> (608) 332-4147 >>>>> >>>>> Nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> www.nabslink.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail >>>> .com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Darian Smith >>> >>> >>> Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund >>> via your phone bill. >>> >>> The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with >>> Disabilities >>> >>> http://www.nfb.org/fairwages >>> >>> >>> “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is >>> made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. >>> These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our >>> knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” >>> -Darian Smith >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 03:00:03 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:00:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com><4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC><03DCD7B405A948B9BE219D4097B5B589@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <041353A8A70E4BA89AAEB4289E156033@HP30910210001> another thought is that I am not sure if other states are doing this. But in colorado I know that we are starting an employment devision. I think that states should be involved in doing this kind of thing and this way its not just once a year at national convention. Blessings, Melissa and Pj "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson facebook Melissa R Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing Hi Joe, I think you make an excellent point about finding a place for young professionals in this organization. I am still a student, but am reaching the end of my studies and am at an age where most of my friends are now young professionals. I, too, have begun to feel burned out which was a big part of the reason for my resignation from NABS leadership in 2011. I agree that there isn't a great place for young professionals in the NFB yet. I also think that we could do better at reaching out to people who have finished their education but are not yet employed, or who are struggling to find work. Unemployment is obviously a huge issue facing blind people, and securing education and blindness skill training is only part of the solution for that. Perhaps the employment committee should be expanded or converted into a division for young professionals and those looking to start careers (including non-traditional students who have graduated and are now looking to start second or third careers?) Best, Arielle On 6/11/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hello, > I agree with Elizabeth. You expressed my sentements too. > I see the slate for more in depth articles and stories about students. I > found them inspiring and informative. For instance, Mary Fernandez wrote > an > > article on volunteering, an article about finding her first job and one on > clothes. I liked the nabs updates for the same reasons you expressed. I > am > > not in a state with an active student division and when I went to > meetings > > several years and tried to reach other students in between, I got > discouraged. We tried a listserve, but vabs remains inactive to this day. > People in our state cannot or will not even take the time to post to the > list. > So, I liked hearing about other student division successes and activities. > > I hope they return; maybe not monthly, but enough to keep us informed. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elizabeth Mohnke > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:40 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > > Hello Arielle, > > Thank you for providing your perspective regarding the history of the NABS > updates. I did not know this was something you struggled with when you > were > the President as well. However, I have always enjoyed reading them whoever > was in charge of creating them. > > I guess from my point of view, I see the NABS Updates and the Student > Slate > serving two different functions. I enjoy reading the Student Slate as > something for longer in-depth articles that inspire and motivate me to > become more involved in the organization as well as life in general as a > blind student. However, I also enjoy reading the NABS Updates for more of > the shorter announcements regarding the logistics of the organization. > > I enjoyed being able to find all major announcements all in one place. I > also enjoyed reading the summaries of how major events turned out > especially > when I am not able to attend them. And most of all, I enjoyed reading what > other state student divisions have been doing. Granted, not everyone can > participate in what every other state student division is doing, but when > you are a struggling state student division, these short announcements can > help provide ideas on what is possible. If something works for another > state > then perhaps it can work in your state as well. > > However, I completely understand that people lead busy lives, and > producing > a monthly NABS update along with the current issues of the Student Slate > may > be too much. But perhaps there might be some workable solution that would > allow for some combination of both. Perhaps the NABS Updates are not > produced as often, or maybe simply in-between the issues of the Student > Slate. Perhaps each board member could take a turn writing the NABS Update > highlighting some of their individual accomplishments, or what they plan > to > accomplish, as a member of the board. I am not quite sure what the answer > might be, but I know I definitely miss reading the NABS Updates, and would > like to see them return in some sort of fashion. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > >> Hi all, >> >> If I may, I'd like to offer a little bit of historical perspective on >> the NABS presidential updates. When I first joined NABS ten years ago, >> the president would write a quarterly update which would appear in the >> Student Slate in place of the editor's introduction, explaining what >> NABS has been up to and what is planned for the upcoming months. More >> recently, NABS went through a period of a few years where the Slate >> was published very irregularly. When I became president in 2009, I was >> concerned about whether or not we could return to quarterly Slate >> releases, so I started releasing monthly updates so that the >> membership could stay up-to-date on NABS board activities and upcoming >> events even if the Slate did not come out very often. Now that we have >> a wonderful, dependable Slate committee publishing regular issues >> again, the NABS updates may be able to go back on a quarterly schedule >> and be published in the Slate. I will also add that writing monthly >> updates by myself was a fairly time-consuming task, and I, too, >> thought about stopping them because it seemed to me that few people >> actually read them. Several members of my board (including our current >> NABS president) encouraged me to keep going with the monthly updates, >> so I did. Sean continued the monthly updates for a time after becoming >> president, but I know he is a busy guy and may have just decided that >> it was too much. I do think that if even a few people read the updates >> with interest, it is probably worth continuing them, but perhaps the >> NABS board could pick up some of the workload of writing them so it's >> not all on the president's shoulders, or go to a quarterly schedule. >> Finally, the issue of membership feeling a lack of communication with >> the board is a perennial complaint I've seen come up over and over >> with multiple NABS administrations. So the current administration >> should not at all feel singled out by this complaint. To an extent it >> is natural for a national organization like NABS to experience >> occasional lapses in communication. I have also learned that managing >> communication between board and membership is a responsibility that >> must be shared between both parties. There are always things the board >> could be doing to more clearly communicate about past accomplishments >> and future plans, but there are also ways for interested members to >> initiate communication with the board. Calling or emailing NABS board >> members to ask what's been going on or to offer feedback is great, but >> an even better way to stay in the loop would be to serve on a NABS >> committee. Much of the day-to-day work of NABS is conducted within >> committees. Board members chair them, but members do (or at least >> should) form the backbone of the committees and carry out the >> organization's day-to-day operations. And, there are openings for >> several board members at this year's election. >> >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS >>> board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that this >>> organization is one that only functions at it's best when it's >>> membership is a vital part of it's activities. >>> Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of >>> building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, >>> your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and >>> we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we >>> grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's >>> thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. >>> We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We >>> need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that >>> need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil >>> rights. >>> we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even >>> more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. >>> You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up >>> important topics of interest to be discussed. >>> Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your >>> passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please >>> bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National office, >>> especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. >>> >>> Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. >>> What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a >>> better tomorrow? >>> I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve in >>> a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve >>> somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are >>> perfect. >>> >>> So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can >>> improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Darian >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: >>>> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what nabs >>>> was >>>> doing. >>>> Rania, >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >>>> Mohnke >>>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>> >>>> Hello Sean, >>>> >>>> I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be a >>>> personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to >>>> discount >>>> the participation of any particular individual within this >>>> organization. >>>> I >>>> was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this >>>> organization being about the members at large and not just the board as >>>> mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. >>>> >>>> Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the >>>> goals >>>> of >>>> >>>> the current board is to make the organization about the membership at >>>> large >>>> >>>> and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a growing >>>> disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this disconnect take >>>> place >>>> as >>>> >>>> well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the monthly >>>> updates. >>>> >>>> I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the things >>>> that >>>> you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure how I am >>>> expected >>>> to >>>> >>>> know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it >>>> appears >>>> >>>> as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the scenes >>>> without >>>> >>>> the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from my >>>> observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are some >>>> things >>>> >>>> going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership at >>>> large. >>>> >>>> Since the comment about the organization being about the membership at >>>> large >>>> >>>> and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all of >>>> the >>>> student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable subject to >>>> discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have seen this same >>>> disconnect from the membership at large and the board, or if it was >>>> just >>>> me. >>>> >>>> I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the monthly >>>> updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. Again,, I am >>>> sorry >>>> you took my email so personally. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> Elizabeth >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM >>>> To: >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something >>>>> that >>>>> you >>>>> found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The >>>>> impression >>>>> I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they >>>>> do >>>>> take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for >>>>> writing >>>>> to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization >>>>> of >>>>> the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with >>>>> many >>>>> other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last >>>>> year. >>>>> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state >>>>> conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list >>>>> and >>>>> put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative >>>>> membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have >>>>> held >>>>> a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a >>>>> mentoring >>>>> program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place >>>>> in >>>>> Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the >>>>> NFB >>>>> as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike >>>>> who >>>>> hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and >>>>> affiliates. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do >>>>> not >>>>> appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called >>>>> out >>>>> for >>>>> doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what >>>>> NABS >>>>> or the board could be doing better are always welcome at >>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be >>>>> it >>>>> positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy >>>>> that >>>>> many >>>>> individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make >>>>> progress on issues of importance to all of us. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sean >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sean Whalen >>>>> >>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>>>> (608) 332-4147 >>>>> >>>>> Nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> www.nabslink.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail >>>> .com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Darian Smith >>> >>> >>> Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund >>> via your phone bill. >>> >>> The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with >>> Disabilities >>> >>> http://www.nfb.org/fairwages >>> >>> >>> “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is >>> made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. >>> These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our >>> knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” >>> -Darian Smith >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 03:05:49 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:05:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] skype? Message-ID: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> Hi. I need to find a version of skype that is accessible with jaws. Any suggestions? Is there a place to find jaws scripts for skype? thanks in advance. Blessings, Melissa and Pj "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson facebook Melissa R Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 03:07:27 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:07:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: <041353A8A70E4BA89AAEB4289E156033@HP30910210001> References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> <4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC> <03DCD7B405A948B9BE219D4097B5B589@OwnerPC> <041353A8A70E4BA89AAEB4289E156033@HP30910210001> Message-ID: <-8471463763879364703@unknownmsgid> Maryland also has an employment committee which conducts an annual seminar at our state convention. Melissa, is the employment division you speak of in Colorado under the state affiliate or the student division? Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2013, at 10:03 PM, melissa Green wrote: > another thought is that I am not sure if other states are doing this. > But in colorado I know that we are starting an employment devision. > I think that states should be involved in doing this kind of thing and this > way its not just once a year at national convention. > > Blessings, > Melissa and Pj > "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > > > Hi Joe, > > I think you make an excellent point about finding a place for young > professionals in this organization. I am still a student, but am > reaching the end of my studies and am at an age where most of my > friends are now young professionals. I, too, have begun to feel burned > out which was a big part of the reason for my resignation from NABS > leadership in 2011. I agree that there isn't a great place for young > professionals in the NFB yet. I also think that we could do better at > reaching out to people who have finished their education but are not > yet employed, or who are struggling to find work. Unemployment is > obviously a huge issue facing blind people, and securing education and > blindness skill training is only part of the solution for that. > Perhaps the employment committee should be expanded or converted into > a division for young professionals and those looking to start careers > (including non-traditional students who have graduated and are now > looking to start second or third careers?) > > Best, > Arielle > > On 6/11/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hello, >> I agree with Elizabeth. You expressed my sentements too. >> I see the slate for more in depth articles and stories about students. I >> found them inspiring and informative. For instance, Mary Fernandez wrote >> an >> >> article on volunteering, an article about finding her first job and one on >> clothes. I liked the nabs updates for the same reasons you expressed. I >> am >> >> not in a state with an active student division and when I went to >> meetings >> >> several years and tried to reach other students in between, I got >> discouraged. We tried a listserve, but vabs remains inactive to this day. >> People in our state cannot or will not even take the time to post to the >> list. >> So, I liked hearing about other student division successes and activities. >> >> I hope they return; maybe not monthly, but enough to keep us informed. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:40 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >> >> Hello Arielle, >> >> Thank you for providing your perspective regarding the history of the NABS >> updates. I did not know this was something you struggled with when you >> were >> the President as well. However, I have always enjoyed reading them whoever >> was in charge of creating them. >> >> I guess from my point of view, I see the NABS Updates and the Student >> Slate >> serving two different functions. I enjoy reading the Student Slate as >> something for longer in-depth articles that inspire and motivate me to >> become more involved in the organization as well as life in general as a >> blind student. However, I also enjoy reading the NABS Updates for more of >> the shorter announcements regarding the logistics of the organization. >> >> I enjoyed being able to find all major announcements all in one place. I >> also enjoyed reading the summaries of how major events turned out >> especially >> when I am not able to attend them. And most of all, I enjoyed reading what >> other state student divisions have been doing. Granted, not everyone can >> participate in what every other state student division is doing, but when >> you are a struggling state student division, these short announcements can >> help provide ideas on what is possible. If something works for another >> state >> then perhaps it can work in your state as well. >> >> However, I completely understand that people lead busy lives, and >> producing >> a monthly NABS update along with the current issues of the Student Slate >> may >> be too much. But perhaps there might be some workable solution that would >> allow for some combination of both. Perhaps the NABS Updates are not >> produced as often, or maybe simply in-between the issues of the Student >> Slate. Perhaps each board member could take a turn writing the NABS Update >> highlighting some of their individual accomplishments, or what they plan >> to >> accomplish, as a member of the board. I am not quite sure what the answer >> might be, but I know I definitely miss reading the NABS Updates, and would >> like to see them return in some sort of fashion. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17 PM >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> If I may, I'd like to offer a little bit of historical perspective on >>> the NABS presidential updates. When I first joined NABS ten years ago, >>> the president would write a quarterly update which would appear in the >>> Student Slate in place of the editor's introduction, explaining what >>> NABS has been up to and what is planned for the upcoming months. More >>> recently, NABS went through a period of a few years where the Slate >>> was published very irregularly. When I became president in 2009, I was >>> concerned about whether or not we could return to quarterly Slate >>> releases, so I started releasing monthly updates so that the >>> membership could stay up-to-date on NABS board activities and upcoming >>> events even if the Slate did not come out very often. Now that we have >>> a wonderful, dependable Slate committee publishing regular issues >>> again, the NABS updates may be able to go back on a quarterly schedule >>> and be published in the Slate. I will also add that writing monthly >>> updates by myself was a fairly time-consuming task, and I, too, >>> thought about stopping them because it seemed to me that few people >>> actually read them. Several members of my board (including our current >>> NABS president) encouraged me to keep going with the monthly updates, >>> so I did. Sean continued the monthly updates for a time after becoming >>> president, but I know he is a busy guy and may have just decided that >>> it was too much. I do think that if even a few people read the updates >>> with interest, it is probably worth continuing them, but perhaps the >>> NABS board could pick up some of the workload of writing them so it's >>> not all on the president's shoulders, or go to a quarterly schedule. >>> Finally, the issue of membership feeling a lack of communication with >>> the board is a perennial complaint I've seen come up over and over >>> with multiple NABS administrations. So the current administration >>> should not at all feel singled out by this complaint. To an extent it >>> is natural for a national organization like NABS to experience >>> occasional lapses in communication. I have also learned that managing >>> communication between board and membership is a responsibility that >>> must be shared between both parties. There are always things the board >>> could be doing to more clearly communicate about past accomplishments >>> and future plans, but there are also ways for interested members to >>> initiate communication with the board. Calling or emailing NABS board >>> members to ask what's been going on or to offer feedback is great, but >>> an even better way to stay in the loop would be to serve on a NABS >>> committee. Much of the day-to-day work of NABS is conducted within >>> committees. Board members chair them, but members do (or at least >>> should) form the backbone of the committees and carry out the >>> organization's day-to-day operations. And, there are openings for >>> several board members at this year's election. >>> >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS >>>> board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that this >>>> organization is one that only functions at it's best when it's >>>> membership is a vital part of it's activities. >>>> Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of >>>> building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, >>>> your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and >>>> we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we >>>> grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's >>>> thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. >>>> We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We >>>> need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that >>>> need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil >>>> rights. >>>> we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even >>>> more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. >>>> You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up >>>> important topics of interest to be discussed. >>>> Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your >>>> passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please >>>> bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National office, >>>> especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. >>>> >>>> Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. >>>> What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a >>>> better tomorrow? >>>> I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve in >>>> a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve >>>> somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are >>>> perfect. >>>> >>>> So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can >>>> improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Darian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: >>>>> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what nabs >>>>> was >>>>> doing. >>>>> Rania, >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >>>>> Mohnke >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>>> >>>>> Hello Sean, >>>>> >>>>> I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be a >>>>> personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to >>>>> discount >>>>> the participation of any particular individual within this >>>>> organization. >>>>> I >>>>> was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this >>>>> organization being about the members at large and not just the board as >>>>> mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. >>>>> >>>>> Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the >>>>> goals >>>>> of >>>>> >>>>> the current board is to make the organization about the membership at >>>>> large >>>>> >>>>> and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a growing >>>>> disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this disconnect take >>>>> place >>>>> as >>>>> >>>>> well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the monthly >>>>> updates. >>>>> >>>>> I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the things >>>>> that >>>>> you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure how I am >>>>> expected >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>> know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it >>>>> appears >>>>> >>>>> as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the scenes >>>>> without >>>>> >>>>> the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from my >>>>> observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are some >>>>> things >>>>> >>>>> going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership at >>>>> large. >>>>> >>>>> Since the comment about the organization being about the membership at >>>>> large >>>>> >>>>> and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all of >>>>> the >>>>> student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable subject to >>>>> discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have seen this same >>>>> disconnect from the membership at large and the board, or if it was >>>>> just >>>>> me. >>>>> >>>>> I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the monthly >>>>> updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. Again,, I am >>>>> sorry >>>>> you took my email so personally. >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> Elizabeth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something >>>>>> that >>>>>> you >>>>>> found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The >>>>>> impression >>>>>> I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they >>>>>> do >>>>>> take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for >>>>>> writing >>>>>> to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization >>>>>> of >>>>>> the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with >>>>>> many >>>>>> other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last >>>>>> year. >>>>>> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state >>>>>> conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list >>>>>> and >>>>>> put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative >>>>>> membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have >>>>>> held >>>>>> a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a >>>>>> mentoring >>>>>> program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place >>>>>> in >>>>>> Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the >>>>>> NFB >>>>>> as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike >>>>>> who >>>>>> hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and >>>>>> affiliates. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do >>>>>> not >>>>>> appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called >>>>>> out >>>>>> for >>>>>> doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what >>>>>> NABS >>>>>> or the board could be doing better are always welcome at >>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be >>>>>> it >>>>>> positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy >>>>>> that >>>>>> many >>>>>> individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make >>>>>> progress on issues of importance to all of us. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean Whalen >>>>>> >>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>>> >>>>>> (608) 332-4147 >>>>>> >>>>>> Nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> www.nabslink.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Darian Smith >>>> >>>> >>>> Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund >>>> via your phone bill. >>>> >>>> The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with >>>> Disabilities >>>> >>>> http://www.nfb.org/fairwages >>>> >>>> >>>> “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is >>>> made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. >>>> These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our >>>> knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” >>>> -Darian Smith >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 03:10:09 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:10:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] skype? In-Reply-To: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> References: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> Message-ID: Hi Melissa, I have found Skype to be epretty accessible with JAWS even without scripts. Currently I use JAWS 13 and the latest Skype version. There are a few settings you chan change to make it more cooperative with JAWS in case you're not aware of them. Log into Skype and hit alt to go to the menu bar. Go to tools, and then accessibility. Make sure that extended keyboard and screenreader mode settings are both checked. This should make the layout of Skype much more cooperative with your JAWS. Anyway, sorry if I repeated that and you knew it already because I know scripts do help, but they're not necessarily essential to make Skype work at all. Hope this helps. On 6/11/13, melissa Green wrote: > Hi. > I need to find a version of skype that is accessible with jaws. > Any suggestions? > Is there a place to find jaws scripts for skype? > thanks in advance. > Blessings, > Melissa and Pj > "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From amc05111 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 03:11:09 2013 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 23:11:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] skype? In-Reply-To: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> References: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> Message-ID: <51B7E6CD.50806@gmail.com> Hi there, Skype is accessible with JAWS, but if you want a simplar run of skype search for GW Micro's version. Ashley. On 6/11/2013 11:05 PM, melissa Green wrote: > Hi. > I need to find a version of skype that is accessible with jaws. > Any suggestions? > Is there a place to find jaws scripts for skype? > thanks in advance. > Blessings, > Melissa and Pj > "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 03:15:38 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:15:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] skype? In-Reply-To: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> References: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> Message-ID: <8817569938505859429@unknownmsgid> Melissa, You have two options here. Unfortunately, the normal Skype program is not accessible without scripts. So, you can either download Skype and then download the JAWS Scripts, or you can download the fully accessible Skype client GW connect from GW micro. The scripts for Skype can be found at www.Dlee.org/Skype. GW connect can be downloaded at www.gwmicro.com. Both of these programs are free. If you have any questions about any of this, please write to me on list or off. Hope this helps, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2013, at 10:05 PM, melissa Green wrote: > Hi. > I need to find a version of skype that is accessible with jaws. > Any suggestions? > Is there a place to find jaws scripts for skype? > thanks in advance. > Blessings, > Melissa and Pj > "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 03:18:02 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:18:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> <000c01ce6700$275e3770$761aa650$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61111098369E4CF9860F085FD4AA4962@HP30910210001> Joe. I agree with your rant. It is right on. Blessings, Melissa and Pj "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson facebook Melissa R Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing Here here to Sean and his board for their great work. I think things with the NABS board have gotten a lot better since Terri's presidency. My only observation, whether it's good or bad is up to the reader, is the retention of NABS members after the student division years are over. There are a lot of people who burn out on the NFB, and after there is no NABS, there's really no more NFB. Yes, there are local chapters and state affiliates, but there are also families and professional responsibilities that significantly reduce the amount of time a person can devote to the cause. I think there is a place for young professionals in the movement that could be cultivated. Right now, you either grow up with NABS or you suck it up and deal with the old-timers of the chapters. No, nothing wrong with the older people. I learned a lot from them, but reality says most up and coming young professionals not already familiar with the organization are not going to join unless they have a reason to make it a priority. Me, I'm honestly still burned out. Logic says that I should just make the NFB a priority, but there is also the matter of enjoying the life of equality the organization fights to obtain. In short, not everyone wants to make the NFB their life. So, does that mean there is no room for whatever contributions we want to make? I guess that's up to future leaders at all levels of the organization to figure out, but times are changing. The relevance of the consumer organization as we know it will be redefined by the contact and immediacy of social networking. I'd devote another hundred pages to the subject, but I'm tired of my own rants. Take this for whatever it's worth. Joe _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 03:18:57 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:18:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] skype? References: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> Message-ID: Hi. No I didn't know that information. thanks. Blessings, Melissa and Pj "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson facebook Melissa R Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaiti Shelton" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype? Hi Melissa, I have found Skype to be epretty accessible with JAWS even without scripts. Currently I use JAWS 13 and the latest Skype version. There are a few settings you chan change to make it more cooperative with JAWS in case you're not aware of them. Log into Skype and hit alt to go to the menu bar. Go to tools, and then accessibility. Make sure that extended keyboard and screenreader mode settings are both checked. This should make the layout of Skype much more cooperative with your JAWS. Anyway, sorry if I repeated that and you knew it already because I know scripts do help, but they're not necessarily essential to make Skype work at all. Hope this helps. On 6/11/13, melissa Green wrote: > Hi. > I need to find a version of skype that is accessible with jaws. > Any suggestions? > Is there a place to find jaws scripts for skype? > thanks in advance. > Blessings, > Melissa and Pj > "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 03:18:48 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:18:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] skype? In-Reply-To: <51B7E6CD.50806@gmail.com> References: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> <51B7E6CD.50806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8216997015262402402@unknownmsgid> Ashley, Have you been able to get Skype to work with JAWS Without downloading the scripts or GW connect? Just curious, as you say generally that Skype is accessible. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Ashley Coleman wrote: > Hi there, > Skype is accessible with JAWS, but if you want a simplar run of skype search for GW Micro's version. > > > > Ashley. > > > On 6/11/2013 11:05 PM, melissa Green wrote: >> Hi. >> I need to find a version of skype that is accessible with jaws. >> Any suggestions? >> Is there a place to find jaws scripts for skype? >> thanks in advance. >> Blessings, >> Melissa and Pj >> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >> facebook Melissa R Green >> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >> skype: lissa5674 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 03:28:39 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 21:28:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com><4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC><03DCD7B405A948B9BE219D4097B5B589@OwnerPC><041353A8A70E4BA89AAEB4289E156033@HP30910210001> <-8471463763879364703@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: It will be under the state affiliate. Blessings, Melissa and Pj "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson facebook Melissa R Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 ----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing Maryland also has an employment committee which conducts an annual seminar at our state convention. Melissa, is the employment division you speak of in Colorado under the state affiliate or the student division? Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2013, at 10:03 PM, melissa Green wrote: > another thought is that I am not sure if other states are doing this. > But in colorado I know that we are starting an employment devision. > I think that states should be involved in doing this kind of thing and > this > way its not just once a year at national convention. > > Blessings, > Melissa and Pj > "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > > > Hi Joe, > > I think you make an excellent point about finding a place for young > professionals in this organization. I am still a student, but am > reaching the end of my studies and am at an age where most of my > friends are now young professionals. I, too, have begun to feel burned > out which was a big part of the reason for my resignation from NABS > leadership in 2011. I agree that there isn't a great place for young > professionals in the NFB yet. I also think that we could do better at > reaching out to people who have finished their education but are not > yet employed, or who are struggling to find work. Unemployment is > obviously a huge issue facing blind people, and securing education and > blindness skill training is only part of the solution for that. > Perhaps the employment committee should be expanded or converted into > a division for young professionals and those looking to start careers > (including non-traditional students who have graduated and are now > looking to start second or third careers?) > > Best, > Arielle > > On 6/11/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hello, >> I agree with Elizabeth. You expressed my sentements too. >> I see the slate for more in depth articles and stories about students. I >> found them inspiring and informative. For instance, Mary Fernandez wrote >> an >> >> article on volunteering, an article about finding her first job and one >> on >> clothes. I liked the nabs updates for the same reasons you expressed. I >> am >> >> not in a state with an active student division and when I went to >> meetings >> >> several years and tried to reach other students in between, I got >> discouraged. We tried a listserve, but vabs remains inactive to this day. >> People in our state cannot or will not even take the time to post to the >> list. >> So, I liked hearing about other student division successes and >> activities. >> >> I hope they return; maybe not monthly, but enough to keep us informed. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:40 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >> >> Hello Arielle, >> >> Thank you for providing your perspective regarding the history of the >> NABS >> updates. I did not know this was something you struggled with when you >> were >> the President as well. However, I have always enjoyed reading them >> whoever >> was in charge of creating them. >> >> I guess from my point of view, I see the NABS Updates and the Student >> Slate >> serving two different functions. I enjoy reading the Student Slate as >> something for longer in-depth articles that inspire and motivate me to >> become more involved in the organization as well as life in general as a >> blind student. However, I also enjoy reading the NABS Updates for more of >> the shorter announcements regarding the logistics of the organization. >> >> I enjoyed being able to find all major announcements all in one place. I >> also enjoyed reading the summaries of how major events turned out >> especially >> when I am not able to attend them. And most of all, I enjoyed reading >> what >> other state student divisions have been doing. Granted, not everyone can >> participate in what every other state student division is doing, but when >> you are a struggling state student division, these short announcements >> can >> help provide ideas on what is possible. If something works for another >> state >> then perhaps it can work in your state as well. >> >> However, I completely understand that people lead busy lives, and >> producing >> a monthly NABS update along with the current issues of the Student Slate >> may >> be too much. But perhaps there might be some workable solution that would >> allow for some combination of both. Perhaps the NABS Updates are not >> produced as often, or maybe simply in-between the issues of the Student >> Slate. Perhaps each board member could take a turn writing the NABS >> Update >> highlighting some of their individual accomplishments, or what they plan >> to >> accomplish, as a member of the board. I am not quite sure what the answer >> might be, but I know I definitely miss reading the NABS Updates, and >> would >> like to see them return in some sort of fashion. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17 PM >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> If I may, I'd like to offer a little bit of historical perspective on >>> the NABS presidential updates. When I first joined NABS ten years ago, >>> the president would write a quarterly update which would appear in the >>> Student Slate in place of the editor's introduction, explaining what >>> NABS has been up to and what is planned for the upcoming months. More >>> recently, NABS went through a period of a few years where the Slate >>> was published very irregularly. When I became president in 2009, I was >>> concerned about whether or not we could return to quarterly Slate >>> releases, so I started releasing monthly updates so that the >>> membership could stay up-to-date on NABS board activities and upcoming >>> events even if the Slate did not come out very often. Now that we have >>> a wonderful, dependable Slate committee publishing regular issues >>> again, the NABS updates may be able to go back on a quarterly schedule >>> and be published in the Slate. I will also add that writing monthly >>> updates by myself was a fairly time-consuming task, and I, too, >>> thought about stopping them because it seemed to me that few people >>> actually read them. Several members of my board (including our current >>> NABS president) encouraged me to keep going with the monthly updates, >>> so I did. Sean continued the monthly updates for a time after becoming >>> president, but I know he is a busy guy and may have just decided that >>> it was too much. I do think that if even a few people read the updates >>> with interest, it is probably worth continuing them, but perhaps the >>> NABS board could pick up some of the workload of writing them so it's >>> not all on the president's shoulders, or go to a quarterly schedule. >>> Finally, the issue of membership feeling a lack of communication with >>> the board is a perennial complaint I've seen come up over and over >>> with multiple NABS administrations. So the current administration >>> should not at all feel singled out by this complaint. To an extent it >>> is natural for a national organization like NABS to experience >>> occasional lapses in communication. I have also learned that managing >>> communication between board and membership is a responsibility that >>> must be shared between both parties. There are always things the board >>> could be doing to more clearly communicate about past accomplishments >>> and future plans, but there are also ways for interested members to >>> initiate communication with the board. Calling or emailing NABS board >>> members to ask what's been going on or to offer feedback is great, but >>> an even better way to stay in the loop would be to serve on a NABS >>> committee. Much of the day-to-day work of NABS is conducted within >>> committees. Board members chair them, but members do (or at least >>> should) form the backbone of the committees and carry out the >>> organization's day-to-day operations. And, there are openings for >>> several board members at this year's election. >>> >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS >>>> board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that this >>>> organization is one that only functions at it's best when it's >>>> membership is a vital part of it's activities. >>>> Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of >>>> building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, >>>> your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and >>>> we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we >>>> grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's >>>> thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. >>>> We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We >>>> need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that >>>> need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil >>>> rights. >>>> we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even >>>> more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. >>>> You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up >>>> important topics of interest to be discussed. >>>> Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your >>>> passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please >>>> bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National office, >>>> especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. >>>> >>>> Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. >>>> What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a >>>> better tomorrow? >>>> I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve in >>>> a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve >>>> somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are >>>> perfect. >>>> >>>> So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can >>>> improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Darian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: >>>>> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what >>>>> nabs >>>>> was >>>>> doing. >>>>> Rania, >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >>>>> Mohnke >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>>> >>>>> Hello Sean, >>>>> >>>>> I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be a >>>>> personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to >>>>> discount >>>>> the participation of any particular individual within this >>>>> organization. >>>>> I >>>>> was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this >>>>> organization being about the members at large and not just the board >>>>> as >>>>> mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. >>>>> >>>>> Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the >>>>> goals >>>>> of >>>>> >>>>> the current board is to make the organization about the membership at >>>>> large >>>>> >>>>> and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a growing >>>>> disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this disconnect take >>>>> place >>>>> as >>>>> >>>>> well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the >>>>> monthly >>>>> updates. >>>>> >>>>> I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the things >>>>> that >>>>> you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure how I am >>>>> expected >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>> know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it >>>>> appears >>>>> >>>>> as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the scenes >>>>> without >>>>> >>>>> the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from my >>>>> observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are some >>>>> things >>>>> >>>>> going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership at >>>>> large. >>>>> >>>>> Since the comment about the organization being about the membership at >>>>> large >>>>> >>>>> and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all of >>>>> the >>>>> student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable subject to >>>>> discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have seen this same >>>>> disconnect from the membership at large and the board, or if it was >>>>> just >>>>> me. >>>>> >>>>> I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the >>>>> monthly >>>>> updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. Again,, I am >>>>> sorry >>>>> you took my email so personally. >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> Elizabeth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something >>>>>> that >>>>>> you >>>>>> found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The >>>>>> impression >>>>>> I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and >>>>>> they >>>>>> do >>>>>> take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for >>>>>> writing >>>>>> to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your >>>>>> characterization >>>>>> of >>>>>> the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with >>>>>> many >>>>>> other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the >>>>>> last >>>>>> year. >>>>>> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state >>>>>> conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership >>>>>> list >>>>>> and >>>>>> put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative >>>>>> membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We >>>>>> have >>>>>> held >>>>>> a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a >>>>>> mentoring >>>>>> program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place >>>>>> in >>>>>> Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and >>>>>> the >>>>>> NFB >>>>>> as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike >>>>>> who >>>>>> hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and >>>>>> affiliates. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do >>>>>> not >>>>>> appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called >>>>>> out >>>>>> for >>>>>> doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on >>>>>> what >>>>>> NABS >>>>>> or the board could be doing better are always welcome at >>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be >>>>>> it >>>>>> positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy >>>>>> that >>>>>> many >>>>>> individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make >>>>>> progress on issues of importance to all of us. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean Whalen >>>>>> >>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>>> >>>>>> (608) 332-4147 >>>>>> >>>>>> Nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> www.nabslink.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Darian Smith >>>> >>>> >>>> Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund >>>> via your phone bill. >>>> >>>> The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with >>>> Disabilities >>>> >>>> http://www.nfb.org/fairwages >>>> >>>> >>>> “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is >>>> made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. >>>> These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our >>>> knowledge. 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References: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> <8817569938505859429@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: thanks for the information. So gw connect works with jaws then? Blessings, Melissa and Pj "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson facebook Melissa R Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 ----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype? Melissa, You have two options here. Unfortunately, the normal Skype program is not accessible without scripts. So, you can either download Skype and then download the JAWS Scripts, or you can download the fully accessible Skype client GW connect from GW micro. The scripts for Skype can be found at www.Dlee.org/Skype. GW connect can be downloaded at www.gwmicro.com. Both of these programs are free. If you have any questions about any of this, please write to me on list or off. Hope this helps, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2013, at 10:05 PM, melissa Green wrote: > Hi. > I need to find a version of skype that is accessible with jaws. > Any suggestions? > Is there a place to find jaws scripts for skype? > thanks in advance. > Blessings, > Melissa and Pj > "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 03:55:52 2013 From: n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com (Shreyas N Reddy) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:25:52 +0530 Subject: [nabs-l] skype? In-Reply-To: References: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> Message-ID: but I felt using skype without scripts of Jaws little difficult but its how ever accessible though. What do you people think? On 6/12/13, melissa Green wrote: > Hi. > No I didn't know that information. > thanks. > > Blessings, > Melissa and Pj > "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kaiti Shelton" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype? > > > Hi Melissa, > > I have found Skype to be epretty accessible with JAWS even without > scripts. Currently I use JAWS 13 and the latest Skype version. There > are a few settings you chan change to make it more cooperative with > JAWS in case you're not aware of them. > > Log into Skype and hit alt to go to the menu bar. Go to tools, and > then accessibility. Make sure that extended keyboard and screenreader > mode settings are both checked. This should make the layout of Skype > much more cooperative with your JAWS. > > Anyway, sorry if I repeated that and you knew it already because I > know scripts do help, but they're not necessarily essential to make > Skype work at all. Hope this helps. > > On 6/11/13, melissa Green wrote: >> Hi. >> I need to find a version of skype that is accessible with jaws. >> Any suggestions? >> Is there a place to find jaws scripts for skype? >> thanks in advance. >> Blessings, >> Melissa and Pj >> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >> facebook Melissa R Green >> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >> skype: lissa5674 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/n.shreyas.reddy%40gmail.com > -- in regards Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy From n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 03:57:28 2013 From: n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com (Shreyas N Reddy) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:27:28 +0530 Subject: [nabs-l] skype? In-Reply-To: References: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> Message-ID: well, I am sorry for typing wrong English in my previous reply. On 6/12/13, Shreyas N Reddy wrote: > but I felt using skype without scripts of Jaws little difficult but > its how ever accessible though. What do you people think? > > On 6/12/13, melissa Green wrote: >> Hi. >> No I didn't know that information. >> thanks. >> >> Blessings, >> Melissa and Pj >> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >> facebook Melissa R Green >> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >> skype: lissa5674 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kaiti Shelton" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype? >> >> >> Hi Melissa, >> >> I have found Skype to be epretty accessible with JAWS even without >> scripts. Currently I use JAWS 13 and the latest Skype version. There >> are a few settings you chan change to make it more cooperative with >> JAWS in case you're not aware of them. >> >> Log into Skype and hit alt to go to the menu bar. Go to tools, and >> then accessibility. Make sure that extended keyboard and screenreader >> mode settings are both checked. This should make the layout of Skype >> much more cooperative with your JAWS. >> >> Anyway, sorry if I repeated that and you knew it already because I >> know scripts do help, but they're not necessarily essential to make >> Skype work at all. Hope this helps. >> >> On 6/11/13, melissa Green wrote: >>> Hi. >>> I need to find a version of skype that is accessible with jaws. >>> Any suggestions? >>> Is there a place to find jaws scripts for skype? >>> thanks in advance. >>> Blessings, >>> Melissa and Pj >>> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >>> facebook Melissa R Green >>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >>> skype: lissa5674 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/n.shreyas.reddy%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > in regards > Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy > -- in regards Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 04:08:20 2013 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 00:08:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] skype? References: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> Message-ID: <000501ce6722$7aecc790$0201a8c0@hometwxakonvzn> Yes. www.dlee.org----- Original Message ----- From: "melissa Green" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 11:05 PM Subject: [nabs-l] skype? > Hi. > I need to find a version of skype that is accessible with jaws. > Any suggestions? > Is there a place to find jaws scripts for skype? > thanks in advance. > Blessings, > Melissa and Pj > "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 04:59:18 2013 From: n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com (Shreyas N Reddy) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:29:18 +0530 Subject: [nabs-l] skype? In-Reply-To: References: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> Message-ID: Skype 6.0 and above is accessible. Well, I have sent an attachment to your mail id Melissa, please do check your mail. On 6/12/13, melissa Green wrote: > Hi. > No I didn't know that information. > thanks. > > Blessings, > Melissa and Pj > "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kaiti Shelton" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype? > > > Hi Melissa, > > I have found Skype to be epretty accessible with JAWS even without > scripts. Currently I use JAWS 13 and the latest Skype version. There > are a few settings you chan change to make it more cooperative with > JAWS in case you're not aware of them. > > Log into Skype and hit alt to go to the menu bar. Go to tools, and > then accessibility. Make sure that extended keyboard and screenreader > mode settings are both checked. This should make the layout of Skype > much more cooperative with your JAWS. > > Anyway, sorry if I repeated that and you knew it already because I > know scripts do help, but they're not necessarily essential to make > Skype work at all. Hope this helps. > > On 6/11/13, melissa Green wrote: >> Hi. >> I need to find a version of skype that is accessible with jaws. >> Any suggestions? >> Is there a place to find jaws scripts for skype? >> thanks in advance. >> Blessings, >> Melissa and Pj >> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >> facebook Melissa R Green >> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >> skype: lissa5674 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/n.shreyas.reddy%40gmail.com > -- in regards Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Wed Jun 12 17:12:08 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:12:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] skype? In-Reply-To: References: <4C9B88CCE35D40C0996587AD2C36D519@HP30910210001> Message-ID: Hi all, In response to Chris's email, it is possible to have Skype work without scripts or using GW Micro's program. As long as you change the two settings under tools, accessibility, (which are making sure that extended keyboard mode and screenreader mode are both checked in the options), then you should be good to go. Most of the time tab will get you around Skype fine and you should have access to all the information on the client. Hope this helps. On 6/12/13, Shreyas N Reddy wrote: > Skype 6.0 and above is accessible. > Well, I have sent an attachment to your mail id Melissa, please do > check your mail. > > > > On 6/12/13, melissa Green wrote: >> Hi. >> No I didn't know that information. >> thanks. >> >> Blessings, >> Melissa and Pj >> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >> facebook Melissa R Green >> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >> skype: lissa5674 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kaiti Shelton" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] skype? >> >> >> Hi Melissa, >> >> I have found Skype to be epretty accessible with JAWS even without >> scripts. Currently I use JAWS 13 and the latest Skype version. There >> are a few settings you chan change to make it more cooperative with >> JAWS in case you're not aware of them. >> >> Log into Skype and hit alt to go to the menu bar. Go to tools, and >> then accessibility. Make sure that extended keyboard and screenreader >> mode settings are both checked. This should make the layout of Skype >> much more cooperative with your JAWS. >> >> Anyway, sorry if I repeated that and you knew it already because I >> know scripts do help, but they're not necessarily essential to make >> Skype work at all. Hope this helps. >> >> On 6/11/13, melissa Green wrote: >>> Hi. >>> I need to find a version of skype that is accessible with jaws. >>> Any suggestions? >>> Is there a place to find jaws scripts for skype? >>> thanks in advance. >>> Blessings, >>> Melissa and Pj >>> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >>> facebook Melissa R Green >>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >>> skype: lissa5674 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/n.shreyas.reddy%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > in regards > Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jun 12 23:49:22 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 19:49:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions... In-Reply-To: References: <20AA59A960F641D081DF176568BD4D55@HP30910210001> Message-ID: <74BD5B926A534C408D021516E32E75F1@OwnerPC> Joshua, Good coping techniques you shared. Talking to trusted people helps. I am a Christian but do not belong to a local church; the church I grew up in does not have a young adults group and all the sunday school attendees were older adults like in their 40s usually. So I stopped going. I do sometimes attend a large non denominational church with my dad, but do not know the pastor there; no one does; its really big. But I do talk to a few blind friends when I'm feeling frustrated. If it’s a general school issue, I may confide in other friends since they can relate to school issues too. You mention hobbies and interests. Excellent coping technique. I hope Kerri has some interests and hobbies to do to get her mind off the stress of planning for the future and to enjoy the moments. When I feel down, I like to write in a journal or listen to calming music. Sometimes reading is a good mental escape too. Well, I hope Kerri is figuring out what to do with our help and meanwhile, enjoy the summer. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 3:57 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... Hello to all. This topic is quite interesting. As A blind person, going to college, it has taken me longer to almost get my associates degree then some blind and sighted people I know. It doesn't bother me though. My remedial math classes are finally done, and I received a b on my college level math class. This was due, in part to some excilent tutoring, and the help of a great math teacher. I have to say in the long run, college math was loads better than geometry. My parents have always encouraged me, that I could do anything I put my mind to. I have never felt like I have to be a perfect person either blind or sighted. Interestingly enough, I have never felt insecure about myself or the things I can do. I know I have to work on a lot of skills, especially independent living, and cooking, but I know after college, I'm going to focus on this before going to NIU which is Northern Illinois University. Hopefully, we have friends or people we can talk to who can support us, if we have feelings of low self esteme or insecurity. Also, I feel since I am a christian, this also helps. I know I could talk to my pastor, or other members of our church. Also, what about favorite hobbies or interests. For me, if I'm feeling down, I can just pick up my guitar, and start playing, and it isn't long befor I'm feeling up again. Take heart all. On 6/10/13, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > But why is that a bad thing? We're being encouraged to be perfect. I > have literally had a family member tell me, flat out, that I had to be > perfect, and no, that's not an exaggeration, it really happened. All > I'm saying is that no one is perfect, and trying to pressure people > into believing that they must be or they'll be left in the dust is > extremely unhealthy. That's not even a blind or sighted thing; that's > basic psychology. There's only so much of that that a person can take > before they just shut down and are unable to do the simplest thing > without having an intense fear of failure and pervasive self-doubt. I > don't want to go too far into specifics, but that's how I am a lot of > the time. While I don't know the person who originally posted this > thread, I would take a guess that she feels that way to a certain > extent as well. And a lot of that can be traced straight back to the > kind of societal conditioning we're discussing now. either you're > great or you're nothing, you can't be anywherein the middle. > > On 6/10/13, wmodnl wmodnl wrote: >> If you are not doing better than the rest, everyone will surpass you. As >> blind people, we are automatically put in a position to "write the >> wrongs" >> of society as it pertains to blind people. I would be curious to find >> statistics regarding this as it pertains to disability, and minority' in >> general. I have heard many say that, disability and blindness should >> also >> be considered within minority groups since we are a uncounted statistic >> regarding employment, public well fair, etc. The other issue is that, in >> our culture, there is Unfortunately no room for error or you to just be >> human, with its "privilege (S). Whether it is wrong or write, you have >> to >> some-how fit in to one of those standards or you will never make it. >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 9, 2013, at 3:17 PM, "Desiree Oudinot" >> wrote: >> >>> And yet, is that really what we want to be teaching our children? >>> You're not good enough unless you're great? I'm sorry, but that >>> attitude kills me. We want to be accepted as normal, functioning >>> members of society who just happen to be blind. And, on the spectrum >>> of humanity, there are all kinds of people. So why can't a blind >>> person be average? We have this double standard that says we have to >>> be above and beyond in everything we do, otherwise we're considered >>> substandard, and thus a bad reflection on all blind people. Which is >>> it? >>> >>> On 6/9/13, Dave Webster wrote: >>>> My problem was that growing up since I have been blind my whole life in >>>> school it was always since you're blind you have to be doing it better >>>> and >>>> cleaner than the other guy. I realize that my parents had probably ben >>>> using that just for motivation and that type of motivation is a natural >>>> thing for parents to do. Hell I'd do it. If my child were blind, which >>>> incidently I have no children but if any of them were blind and I were >>>> sighted I'd probably say the same thing. I though would probably say >>>> since >>>> >>>> you're blind you don't necessarily need to be doing it better than >>>> anyone >>>> else but you need to do just as good as everyone else does. Its kind >>>> of >>>> the >>>> >>>> theory that they teach at the nfb training centers and that is its not >>>> enough just to get by. Its not enough just to be average. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: melissa Green >>>> Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 9:28 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... >>>> >>>> really good points Arielle. >>>> I completely agree we are put under more pressure than others to have a >>>> career. >>>> IMO we are also told what career we should go into. >>>> For example, you are blind so go teach other blind people, or you are >>>> blind >>>> technology is wonderful for you. >>>> I wonder do sighted people get put through the career tests as much as >>>> we >>>> do >>>> as blind people. >>>> >>>> Blessings, >>>> Melissa and Pj >>>> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >>>> facebook Melissa R Green >>>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >>>> skype: lissa5674 >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 8:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions... >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Kerri, >>>> >>>> I think this is an excellent question. I would bet that virtually all >>>> blind people and virtually all sighted people have struggled with this >>>> issue. I have sighted research assistants who have graduated college >>>> and are unsure what to do afterward. Even my father, who was a >>>> successful doctor for twenty years, has struggled with career change >>>> decisions and made a substantial switch in his job in his mid-fifties. >>>> There are a multitude of careers and jobs out there, and it is hard to >>>> choose what you want to do and how that lines up with the jobs that >>>> are actually out there. >>>> I think this is a common issue that has little to do with blindness or >>>> being in training. However, I think there is a huge amount of pressure >>>> placed on blind people to pick a career path as soon as they graduate >>>> high school and to stick with that path forever. In my opinion this >>>> expectation is unrealistic and puts too much pressure on young people >>>> without motivating them. I have heard that the average person switches >>>> jobs every three to five years. Plenty of folks get a degree, work in >>>> one career for a while, then decide to re-train and do something else. >>>> There is nothing wrong with that. >>>> The suggestion I give most people is to just pick something you like, >>>> either a job opportunity that comes up or a college major, and just >>>> stay with it for as long as you like, knowing that you can always >>>> change your mind and do something else later. You can tell voc rehab >>>> that it is your career plan, and if you change your mind later, so be >>>> it. >>>> I also think that finding good mentors in whatever job or college >>>> major you pick is really important for staying motivated. I had >>>> mentors in college who gave me clear and supportive guidance about >>>> what direction to go into, and now my mentors in grad school are >>>> giving me the motivation I need to keep going toward my degree (which >>>> I still don't quite know what I'm doing afterward). It sounds like you >>>> had excellent mentors in training and you can find good mentors in >>>> work and school settings as well. In order to find them, though, you >>>> will need to take a step out and pick something to do, either a job or >>>> a degree. There are plenty of professional folks who want to take on >>>> young people as mentees, in the work world as well as in the NFB. >>>> I believe there are several jobs a blind person could do with just a >>>> high school degree, but getting a college degree will greatly increase >>>> your options. If VR is supporting you, there is little cost in going >>>> to college and getting a degree. While the degree will help you, the >>>> mentoring connections you could make in college, through classes and >>>> extracurricular activities, is equally if not more helpful >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 6/7/13, brooke anderson wrote: >>>>> My dear I also struggle with the same. My opinion is if you want to >>>>> work >>>>> at >>>>> the Dunkin Donuts,you should. However just remember that it might not >>>>> be >>>>> something you want to do for the rest of your life. also keep in mind >>>>> that >>>>> you will most likely have to fight for your job. many people will >>>>> think >>>>> that you cannot do it. In reality, if you are good at slating, you >>>>> can. >>>>> do >>>>> not give up. >>>>> Nichole. >>>>> >>>>> send from my galaxy note ii >>>>> On Jun 7, 2013 6:44 PM, "Kerri Kosten" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone: >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't want to say too much on a public list, so I am going to try >>>>>> to >>>>>> keep this very general and just ask my questions. >>>>>> Basically, how did you decide what you wanted to do in life for a >>>>>> career? >>>>>> How did you pick your major? >>>>>> If you do not have much confidence in yourself, how did you find out >>>>>> what you were passionate about/wanted to do? >>>>>> How did you find internal motivation? >>>>>> How did you decide whether to go to school, or just get a job? >>>>>> What jobs can blind people do without a degree? >>>>>> What jobs can a blind person do just to gain confidence in themselves >>>>>> until they find direction? >>>>>> I find myself really struggling now that I am out of training. I did >>>>>> really well in training, but the goals I set in training do not apply >>>>>> now in the situation I am in because those goals were training >>>>>> specific. I think I also did really well in training because it was a >>>>>> routine and I got used to it. I was also always told what to do, or >>>>>> knew what I needed to work on in each class. >>>>>> I am really struggling finding motivation now that I am on my own and >>>>>> don't have the training center staff encouraging me, pushing me, and >>>>>> telling me what to do. >>>>>> My problem I think is if I am scared of someone, or I really >>>>>> respect/admire someone, or I am intimidated by someone, I will work >>>>>> as >>>>>> hard as I can and make sure to do everything they say. But, when just >>>>>> left to myself, on my own, I really really struggle to find >>>>>> motivation, make decisions about things, and find direction. >>>>>> Does anyone else find themselves struggling with this kind of thing >>>>>> after training or am I the only one? >>>>>> How have you gotten through it and found direction/your passion and >>>>>> what you wanted to do? >>>>>> The problem is my Rehab counselor called me today. He is someone I >>>>>> really respect. I am now stressing out because I want to at least >>>>>> have >>>>>> a plan for him when I return his call. I at least want him to think >>>>>> that after spending so much money to send me to training, I am >>>>>> motivated and am doing things and taking some sort of action rather >>>>>> than sitting around. >>>>>> But, I have no idea what jobs to look for or what to do. A Dunkin >>>>>> Donuts just opened here recently. Is there anything I could do there? >>>>>> I just want to show my counselor I have been doing something or at >>>>>> least have a plan. >>>>>> Thanks so much, and I look forward to reading your responses! >>>>>> Kerri >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brookenicholeanderson%40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > -- Joshua T Hendrickson _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From freethaught at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 01:39:17 2013 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:39:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> <4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC> <03DCD7B405A948B9BE219D4097B5B589@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi all, I appreciate all the time that goes into running a division. I volunteered at some of my own to a couple of NABS committees. Wow there is a lot to say for running an active organization, I wonder what the real numbers say. How many attend each conference call? Is there an increasing number of participants from one conference call to another? Is the readership of the students late increasing? Is the website getting more hits? How many members leave, and how many join our organization? I do not wish to imply these numbers are low. I actually am curious to know how our effort is paying off. Antonio On Jun 11, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Joe, > > I think you make an excellent point about finding a place for young > professionals in this organization. I am still a student, but am > reaching the end of my studies and am at an age where most of my > friends are now young professionals. I, too, have begun to feel burned > out which was a big part of the reason for my resignation from NABS > leadership in 2011. I agree that there isn't a great place for young > professionals in the NFB yet. I also think that we could do better at > reaching out to people who have finished their education but are not > yet employed, or who are struggling to find work. Unemployment is > obviously a huge issue facing blind people, and securing education and > blindness skill training is only part of the solution for that. > Perhaps the employment committee should be expanded or converted into > a division for young professionals and those looking to start careers > (including non-traditional students who have graduated and are now > looking to start second or third careers?) > > Best, > Arielle > > On 6/11/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hello, >> I agree with Elizabeth. You expressed my sentements too. >> I see the slate for more in depth articles and stories about students. I >> found them inspiring and informative. For instance, Mary Fernandez wrote an >> >> article on volunteering, an article about finding her first job and one on >> clothes. I liked the nabs updates for the same reasons you expressed. I am >> >> not in a state with an active student division and when I went to meetings >> >> several years and tried to reach other students in between, I got >> discouraged. We tried a listserve, but vabs remains inactive to this day. >> People in our state cannot or will not even take the time to post to the >> list. >> So, I liked hearing about other student division successes and activities. >> >> I hope they return; maybe not monthly, but enough to keep us informed. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:40 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >> >> Hello Arielle, >> >> Thank you for providing your perspective regarding the history of the NABS >> updates. I did not know this was something you struggled with when you were >> the President as well. However, I have always enjoyed reading them whoever >> was in charge of creating them. >> >> I guess from my point of view, I see the NABS Updates and the Student Slate >> serving two different functions. I enjoy reading the Student Slate as >> something for longer in-depth articles that inspire and motivate me to >> become more involved in the organization as well as life in general as a >> blind student. However, I also enjoy reading the NABS Updates for more of >> the shorter announcements regarding the logistics of the organization. >> >> I enjoyed being able to find all major announcements all in one place. I >> also enjoyed reading the summaries of how major events turned out >> especially >> when I am not able to attend them. And most of all, I enjoyed reading what >> other state student divisions have been doing. Granted, not everyone can >> participate in what every other state student division is doing, but when >> you are a struggling state student division, these short announcements can >> help provide ideas on what is possible. If something works for another >> state >> then perhaps it can work in your state as well. >> >> However, I completely understand that people lead busy lives, and producing >> a monthly NABS update along with the current issues of the Student Slate >> may >> be too much. But perhaps there might be some workable solution that would >> allow for some combination of both. Perhaps the NABS Updates are not >> produced as often, or maybe simply in-between the issues of the Student >> Slate. Perhaps each board member could take a turn writing the NABS Update >> highlighting some of their individual accomplishments, or what they plan to >> accomplish, as a member of the board. I am not quite sure what the answer >> might be, but I know I definitely miss reading the NABS Updates, and would >> like to see them return in some sort of fashion. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17 PM >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> If I may, I'd like to offer a little bit of historical perspective on >>> the NABS presidential updates. When I first joined NABS ten years ago, >>> the president would write a quarterly update which would appear in the >>> Student Slate in place of the editor's introduction, explaining what >>> NABS has been up to and what is planned for the upcoming months. More >>> recently, NABS went through a period of a few years where the Slate >>> was published very irregularly. When I became president in 2009, I was >>> concerned about whether or not we could return to quarterly Slate >>> releases, so I started releasing monthly updates so that the >>> membership could stay up-to-date on NABS board activities and upcoming >>> events even if the Slate did not come out very often. Now that we have >>> a wonderful, dependable Slate committee publishing regular issues >>> again, the NABS updates may be able to go back on a quarterly schedule >>> and be published in the Slate. I will also add that writing monthly >>> updates by myself was a fairly time-consuming task, and I, too, >>> thought about stopping them because it seemed to me that few people >>> actually read them. Several members of my board (including our current >>> NABS president) encouraged me to keep going with the monthly updates, >>> so I did. Sean continued the monthly updates for a time after becoming >>> president, but I know he is a busy guy and may have just decided that >>> it was too much. I do think that if even a few people read the updates >>> with interest, it is probably worth continuing them, but perhaps the >>> NABS board could pick up some of the workload of writing them so it's >>> not all on the president's shoulders, or go to a quarterly schedule. >>> Finally, the issue of membership feeling a lack of communication with >>> the board is a perennial complaint I've seen come up over and over >>> with multiple NABS administrations. So the current administration >>> should not at all feel singled out by this complaint. To an extent it >>> is natural for a national organization like NABS to experience >>> occasional lapses in communication. I have also learned that managing >>> communication between board and membership is a responsibility that >>> must be shared between both parties. There are always things the board >>> could be doing to more clearly communicate about past accomplishments >>> and future plans, but there are also ways for interested members to >>> initiate communication with the board. Calling or emailing NABS board >>> members to ask what's been going on or to offer feedback is great, but >>> an even better way to stay in the loop would be to serve on a NABS >>> committee. Much of the day-to-day work of NABS is conducted within >>> committees. Board members chair them, but members do (or at least >>> should) form the backbone of the committees and carry out the >>> organization's day-to-day operations. And, there are openings for >>> several board members at this year's election. >>> >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS >>>> board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that this >>>> organization is one that only functions at it's best when it's >>>> membership is a vital part of it's activities. >>>> Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of >>>> building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, >>>> your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and >>>> we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we >>>> grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's >>>> thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. >>>> We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We >>>> need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that >>>> need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil >>>> rights. >>>> we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even >>>> more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. >>>> You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up >>>> important topics of interest to be discussed. >>>> Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your >>>> passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please >>>> bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National office, >>>> especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. >>>> >>>> Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. >>>> What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a >>>> better tomorrow? >>>> I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve in >>>> a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve >>>> somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are >>>> perfect. >>>> >>>> So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can >>>> improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Darian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: >>>>> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what nabs >>>>> was >>>>> doing. >>>>> Rania, >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >>>>> Mohnke >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>>> >>>>> Hello Sean, >>>>> >>>>> I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be a >>>>> personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant to >>>>> discount >>>>> the participation of any particular individual within this >>>>> organization. >>>>> I >>>>> was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this >>>>> organization being about the members at large and not just the board as >>>>> mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. >>>>> >>>>> Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the >>>>> goals >>>>> of >>>>> >>>>> the current board is to make the organization about the membership at >>>>> large >>>>> >>>>> and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a growing >>>>> disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this disconnect take >>>>> place >>>>> as >>>>> >>>>> well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the monthly >>>>> updates. >>>>> >>>>> I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the things >>>>> that >>>>> you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure how I am >>>>> expected >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>> know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when it >>>>> appears >>>>> >>>>> as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the scenes >>>>> without >>>>> >>>>> the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from my >>>>> observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there are some >>>>> things >>>>> >>>>> going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership at >>>>> large. >>>>> >>>>> Since the comment about the organization being about the membership at >>>>> large >>>>> >>>>> and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on all of >>>>> the >>>>> student email lists, I thought this would be an acceptable subject to >>>>> discuss on the email list. I was curious if others have seen this same >>>>> disconnect from the membership at large and the board, or if it was >>>>> just >>>>> me. >>>>> >>>>> I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the monthly >>>>> updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. Again,, I am >>>>> sorry >>>>> you took my email so personally. >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> Elizabeth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are something >>>>>> that >>>>>> you >>>>>> found useful. Perhaps we should consider bringing those back. The >>>>>> impression >>>>>> I had was that not many people took the trouble to read them, and they >>>>>> do >>>>>> take a fair amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for >>>>>> writing >>>>>> to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your characterization >>>>>> of >>>>>> the current situation. NABS board members, working side by side with >>>>>> many >>>>>> other members of NABS, have engaged in multiple projects over the last >>>>>> year. >>>>>> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and state >>>>>> conventions around the country. We have overhauled the membership list >>>>>> and >>>>>> put it in a searchable database. We have held multiple informative >>>>>> membership calls. We have put out issues of the Student Slate. We have >>>>>> held >>>>>> a student leadership seminar in Baltimore. We have worked on a >>>>>> mentoring >>>>>> program for first-time convention attendees that will be taking place >>>>>> in >>>>>> Orlando. We have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the >>>>>> NFB >>>>>> as a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike >>>>>> who >>>>>> hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and >>>>>> affiliates. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I do >>>>>> not >>>>>> appreciate having my board and our many hard-working members called >>>>>> out >>>>>> for >>>>>> doing nothing in a public forum such as this list. Suggestions on what >>>>>> NABS >>>>>> or the board could be doing better are always welcome at >>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com. I appreciate all constructive feedback, be >>>>>> it >>>>>> positive or negative. But let us not discredit the time and energy >>>>>> that >>>>>> many >>>>>> individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and make >>>>>> progress on issues of importance to all of us. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean Whalen >>>>>> >>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>>> >>>>>> (608) 332-4147 >>>>>> >>>>>> Nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> www.nabslink.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail >>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Darian Smith >>>> >>>> >>>> Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund >>>> via your phone bill. >>>> >>>> The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with >>>> Disabilities >>>> >>>> http://www.nfb.org/fairwages >>>> >>>> >>>> “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is >>>> made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. >>>> These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our >>>> knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” >>>> -Darian Smith >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jun 13 02:02:46 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:02:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Scanning And Reading Appliance (SARA) vs. Kurzweil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07F34A2FC1D44C3CA9A5B1F27ACDEC54@OwnerPC> Good question. Sara and kurzweil do similar things but are made by different companies. Also, what does the sara speech sound like? Does it have the same synthesizers as jaws? Do sara and kurzweil support the same file types such as conversion to a word file and mp3 files? I think sara is more expensive being a stand alone product but not sure. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Justin Young Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 3:45 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Scanning And Reading Appliance (SARA) vs. Kurzweil Hi All, Hope you are doing well. I was wondering if any of you have used a devise called Scanning And Reading Appliance (SARA) from Freedom Scientific? I currently have Kurzweil, but was interested in hearing if anyone knew if it handled documents better than Kurzweil? For example, at least with my version of Kurzweil, you can't really do anything with handwritten text. Can SARA support these types of documents? Just curious if anyone first hand could provide any information on this devise. Thanks, Justin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jun 13 02:08:53 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:08:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blogging In-Reply-To: References: <944EE2F6641B4AE6A035A600502D1663@OwnerPC><16929AE9-B298-4A06-9272-0F1D0D6E5015@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Using wordpress is a handful. I was able to create a new page and publish it. Its more time consuming though as I had to tab to the buttons. The quick keys such as b for button did not work with this interface. The dashboard reads everything, I think. Jess, did you find a way though to create headings? A sighted user explained there is a box to click on headings. But I kept tabbing and did not find it. I was hoping to have headings so each topic or day would be a new heading. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Jessica Silva Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 4:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blogging Hey Ashly. Adding a new post and a new page are different. If u want a new page you have to add it via pages on your dashboard. Hope that helps. Jess Check out my blog. http://empowernetwork.com/jessicasilva Http://Www.makemoneywithjessica.com On May 3, 2013, at 12:23 PM, Jewel wrote: > Hi, > I used blogspot. I love it, and it is fully accessible to the blind! You > can find it at www.blogger.com, and visit my blog to see how well it works > at flying treasure chest.blogspot.com Which is a blog about low and high > technology for the blind. Our latest post, "android or iOS? "Talks about > android access and Apple vis. The only problem I have with blogspot is > that sometimes I have a Chabot finding the comments area to publish down. > I get around this by having it Enomine all my comments. From the email, I > can read the comment and press publish or delete, and it will send me > directly to my dashboard for further Instructions. > Please excuse in me and all spelling and grammar errors in this email, as > I am using Siri to write it. > ~Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 3, 2013, at 3:50 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I wanted to know which blog sites are accessible. Is wordpress still >> acessible? >> I’m trying to use it and it seems to me that when attempting to upload >> text by pasting it in, jaws does not read the text and the quick >> navigation keys of B for button or l for list don’t work. You can only >> tab to the elements you need. >> >> Also, how do you create a new page within wordpress? By default when ever >> you select new post from dashboard, it puts it in your home page. I’m not >> sure how to change that. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessmonsilva2003%40sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jun 13 02:41:35 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:41:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible web calendars In-Reply-To: References: <0F7AAEDCB79B4B759C832A4ECF8BE51D@BrandonsLaptop2><01d401ce58e3$9bfa0f80$d3ee2e80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <389E90CF72DA4962B7CDC3CD9D9B9E5F@OwnerPC> Brandon, Did you find a solution? I don't think windows live mail contacts can be transferred to outlook. They are different softwares. When you say google thing, do you mean google calendar? I also was wondering about accessible calendars to manage appointments with people for future work or meeting activities, such as if I join toastmasters. If its google calendar, how does that work? Do you have to have a google account for this? I did not know google calendar was accessible. I guess they changed it to make it accessible. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Keith Biggs Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 11:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible web calendars Hello, I'm going to check around some more because I'm not seeing any name. I have never used outlook and don't know if my windows live mail contacts can be transferred over to outlook. I think though that I may try the outlook and Google thing out. I don't think smart phones can open excel documents and most of the people at my school only have their phone when to get onto the internet, or they have the apple computers that are in the computer lab. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 7:17 PM To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible web calendars Brandon, Check again under the concert heading. It didn't ask me to save a copy in order to save my changes this time so that's encouraging. My one concern is that will all those involved be able to get access to it since I'm assuming most of them won't have dropbox accounts. It was easy for me since I could just log in, but I'm wondering how that might go over with others... the public thing would have been nice had it worked. Let me know how this turns out though. On 5/24/13, Joe wrote: > Use Google Calendar. Then use the Google Calendar app on the PC to > synchronize your Outlook Calendar and Outlook calendar. You can enter > appointments at your end on Outlook while everyone else can interact with > the public interface, assuming you share the Google Calendar publically. I > don't regularly check the list, so if you have questions, e-mail me > off-list. Hope that helps.--Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith > Biggs > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible web calendars > > Hello, > for my Fraternity, people are requesting that I create a calendar of all > the > events we are doing for the quarter. I'm wondering if there are any > accessible calendar websites or capabilities on Google or Facebook or > somewhere else? > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jun 13 03:01:44 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:01:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Descriptive videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Winona, I hope you found the descriptive videos you needed. Just wanted to comment as now I have some time. You don't always need description to follow a movie, particularly if you read the book. But it does help. I had the same problem in school, both college and high school. We had to do this to write a movie review for business writing and we had to analyze a film for abnormal psychology to write a psychological diagnosis and I had to watch a movie for homework for high school english. There was more, but those are some highlights. So, I'm not new to the movie analysis assignment problem. As I write this, keep in mind that I'm not a movie fan; I find the plots hard to follow often and movies are either too fast paced or slow to enjoy. To complicate it, voices can sound similar and you cannot always tell whose talking nor can I figure out where the flashbacks are. I much prefer reading to movies. Anyway, what I did was have someone describe it. I used family or even if needed a paid reader. I did not waste time finding accessible videos. Winona, sorry to say, but described videos are few and far between. We used to have more when we had vhs or video cassettes. Now, dvds have menus that we cannot see to select the options. Most dvds don't have a descriptive track. I believe some studios produce descriptive tracks such as universal studios, but not many companies do. You can get sound tracks online from blind mice megamall but I haven't tried it. I would guess many of these are older videos. I'd feel bad about downloading something free that one should really pay for. ACB also has a list of described films on their site which you can purchase from amazon. Also, nls does have a limited selection of described videos. They might have mostly old vhs recordings, so if you have a old vcr, you might have a better chance of getting a described video. My local talking book library used to have several vhs movies including the harry potter series. now they only have a very small collection, like less than 20 items, which are on dvd. I think your best bet for a class assignment is getting a classmate or other sighted person to help you, rather than limiting yourself to the small amount of described videos. I wish the consumer groups would push for more described movies. We cannot buy movie downloads and carry them with us like everyone else. For instance, from itunes or netflix. I hope someday we will be able to download more described videos and carry them on our ipods or tablets like everyone else. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Winona Brackett Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 5:23 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: blindtlk at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Descriptive videos Hi , I am doing a project for an English assignment and my teacher wants us to watch a movie and analyze it. (Pick out the different archetypes such as hero; clown; wise old man; and etc.) I found a link about descriptive videos. https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/fr/fr31/4/fr310412.htm Where can I find descriptive videos? Does the National Library Service (NLS) carry them? Thanks, Winona _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 03:20:47 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 23:20:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> <4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC> <03DCD7B405A948B9BE219D4097B5B589@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <005a01ce67e4$ffe25330$ffa6f990$@gmail.com> I will be sure to be on some of the conference next year. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing Hi all, I appreciate all the time that goes into running a division. I volunteered at some of my own to a couple of NABS committees. Wow there is a lot to say for running an active organization, I wonder what the real numbers say. How many attend each conference call? Is there an increasing number of participants from one conference call to another? Is the readership of the students late increasing? Is the website getting more hits? How many members leave, and how many join our organization? I do not wish to imply these numbers are low. I actually am curious to know how our effort is paying off. Antonio On Jun 11, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Joe, > > I think you make an excellent point about finding a place for young > professionals in this organization. I am still a student, but am > reaching the end of my studies and am at an age where most of my > friends are now young professionals. I, too, have begun to feel burned > out which was a big part of the reason for my resignation from NABS > leadership in 2011. I agree that there isn't a great place for young > professionals in the NFB yet. I also think that we could do better at > reaching out to people who have finished their education but are not > yet employed, or who are struggling to find work. Unemployment is > obviously a huge issue facing blind people, and securing education and > blindness skill training is only part of the solution for that. > Perhaps the employment committee should be expanded or converted into > a division for young professionals and those looking to start careers > (including non-traditional students who have graduated and are now > looking to start second or third careers?) > > Best, > Arielle > > On 6/11/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hello, >> I agree with Elizabeth. You expressed my sentements too. >> I see the slate for more in depth articles and stories about >> students. I found them inspiring and informative. For instance, Mary >> Fernandez wrote an >> >> article on volunteering, an article about finding her first job and >> one on clothes. I liked the nabs updates for the same reasons you >> expressed. I am >> >> not in a state with an active student division and when I went to >> meetings >> >> several years and tried to reach other students in between, I got >> discouraged. We tried a listserve, but vabs remains inactive to this day. >> People in our state cannot or will not even take the time to post to >> the list. >> So, I liked hearing about other student division successes and activities. >> >> I hope they return; maybe not monthly, but enough to keep us informed. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:40 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >> >> Hello Arielle, >> >> Thank you for providing your perspective regarding the history of the >> NABS updates. I did not know this was something you struggled with >> when you were the President as well. However, I have always enjoyed >> reading them whoever was in charge of creating them. >> >> I guess from my point of view, I see the NABS Updates and the Student >> Slate serving two different functions. I enjoy reading the Student >> Slate as something for longer in-depth articles that inspire and >> motivate me to become more involved in the organization as well as >> life in general as a blind student. However, I also enjoy reading the >> NABS Updates for more of the shorter announcements regarding the logistics of the organization. >> >> I enjoyed being able to find all major announcements all in one >> place. I also enjoyed reading the summaries of how major events >> turned out especially when I am not able to attend them. And most of >> all, I enjoyed reading what other state student divisions have been >> doing. Granted, not everyone can participate in what every other >> state student division is doing, but when you are a struggling state >> student division, these short announcements can help provide ideas on >> what is possible. If something works for another state then perhaps >> it can work in your state as well. >> >> However, I completely understand that people lead busy lives, and >> producing a monthly NABS update along with the current issues of the >> Student Slate may be too much. But perhaps there might be some >> workable solution that would allow for some combination of both. >> Perhaps the NABS Updates are not produced as often, or maybe simply >> in-between the issues of the Student Slate. Perhaps each board member >> could take a turn writing the NABS Update highlighting some of their >> individual accomplishments, or what they plan to accomplish, as a >> member of the board. I am not quite sure what the answer might be, >> but I know I definitely miss reading the NABS Updates, and would like >> to see them return in some sort of fashion. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17 PM >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> If I may, I'd like to offer a little bit of historical perspective >>> on the NABS presidential updates. When I first joined NABS ten years >>> ago, the president would write a quarterly update which would appear >>> in the Student Slate in place of the editor's introduction, >>> explaining what NABS has been up to and what is planned for the >>> upcoming months. More recently, NABS went through a period of a few >>> years where the Slate was published very irregularly. When I became >>> president in 2009, I was concerned about whether or not we could >>> return to quarterly Slate releases, so I started releasing monthly >>> updates so that the membership could stay up-to-date on NABS board >>> activities and upcoming events even if the Slate did not come out >>> very often. Now that we have a wonderful, dependable Slate committee >>> publishing regular issues again, the NABS updates may be able to go >>> back on a quarterly schedule and be published in the Slate. I will >>> also add that writing monthly updates by myself was a fairly >>> time-consuming task, and I, too, thought about stopping them because >>> it seemed to me that few people actually read them. Several members >>> of my board (including our current NABS president) encouraged me to >>> keep going with the monthly updates, so I did. Sean continued the >>> monthly updates for a time after becoming president, but I know he >>> is a busy guy and may have just decided that it was too much. I do >>> think that if even a few people read the updates with interest, it >>> is probably worth continuing them, but perhaps the NABS board could >>> pick up some of the workload of writing them so it's not all on the president's shoulders, or go to a quarterly schedule. >>> Finally, the issue of membership feeling a lack of communication >>> with the board is a perennial complaint I've seen come up over and >>> over with multiple NABS administrations. So the current >>> administration should not at all feel singled out by this complaint. >>> To an extent it is natural for a national organization like NABS to >>> experience occasional lapses in communication. I have also learned >>> that managing communication between board and membership is a >>> responsibility that must be shared between both parties. There are >>> always things the board could be doing to more clearly communicate >>> about past accomplishments and future plans, but there are also ways >>> for interested members to initiate communication with the board. >>> Calling or emailing NABS board members to ask what's been going on >>> or to offer feedback is great, but an even better way to stay in the >>> loop would be to serve on a NABS committee. Much of the day-to-day >>> work of NABS is conducted within committees. Board members chair >>> them, but members do (or at least >>> should) form the backbone of the committees and carry out the >>> organization's day-to-day operations. And, there are openings for >>> several board members at this year's election. >>> >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS >>>> board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that >>>> this organization is one that only functions at it's best when >>>> it's membership is a vital part of it's activities. >>>> Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of >>>> building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, >>>> your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and >>>> we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we >>>> grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's >>>> thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. >>>> We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We >>>> need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that >>>> need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil >>>> rights. >>>> we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even >>>> more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. >>>> You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up >>>> important topics of interest to be discussed. >>>> Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your >>>> passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please >>>> bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National >>>> office, especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. >>>> >>>> Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. >>>> What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a >>>> better tomorrow? >>>> I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve >>>> in a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve >>>> somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are >>>> perfect. >>>> >>>> So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can >>>> improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Darian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: >>>>> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what >>>>> nabs was doing. >>>>> Rania, >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Elizabeth Mohnke >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>>> >>>>> Hello Sean, >>>>> >>>>> I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be >>>>> a personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant >>>>> to discount the participation of any particular individual within >>>>> this organization. >>>>> I >>>>> was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this >>>>> organization being about the members at large and not just the >>>>> board as mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the board. >>>>> >>>>> Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the >>>>> goals of >>>>> >>>>> the current board is to make the organization about the membership >>>>> at large >>>>> >>>>> and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a >>>>> growing disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this >>>>> disconnect take place as >>>>> >>>>> well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the >>>>> monthly updates. >>>>> >>>>> I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the >>>>> things that you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure >>>>> how I am expected to >>>>> >>>>> know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when >>>>> it appears >>>>> >>>>> as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the >>>>> scenes without >>>>> >>>>> the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from >>>>> my observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there >>>>> are some things >>>>> >>>>> going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership >>>>> at large. >>>>> >>>>> Since the comment about the organization being about the >>>>> membership at large >>>>> >>>>> and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on >>>>> all of the student email lists, I thought this would be an >>>>> acceptable subject to discuss on the email list. I was curious if >>>>> others have seen this same disconnect from the membership at large >>>>> and the board, or if it was just me. >>>>> >>>>> I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the >>>>> monthly updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. >>>>> Again,, I am sorry you took my email so personally. >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> Elizabeth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are >>>>>> something that you found useful. Perhaps we should consider >>>>>> bringing those back. The impression I had was that not many >>>>>> people took the trouble to read them, and they do take a fair >>>>>> amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for writing >>>>>> to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your >>>>>> characterization of the current situation. NABS board members, >>>>>> working side by side with many other members of NABS, have >>>>>> engaged in multiple projects over the last year. >>>>>> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and >>>>>> state conventions around the country. We have overhauled the >>>>>> membership list and put it in a searchable database. We have held >>>>>> multiple informative membership calls. We have put out issues of >>>>>> the Student Slate. We have held a student leadership seminar in >>>>>> Baltimore. We have worked on a mentoring program for first-time >>>>>> convention attendees that will be taking place in Orlando. We >>>>>> have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the NFB as >>>>>> a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike >>>>>> who hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and >>>>>> affiliates. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I >>>>>> do not appreciate having my board and our many hard-working >>>>>> members called out for doing nothing in a public forum such as >>>>>> this list. Suggestions on what NABS or the board could be doing >>>>>> better are always welcome at nabs.president at gmail.com. I >>>>>> appreciate all constructive feedback, be it positive or negative. >>>>>> But let us not discredit the time and energy that many >>>>>> individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and >>>>>> make progress on issues of importance to all of us. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean Whalen >>>>>> >>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>>> >>>>>> (608) 332-4147 >>>>>> >>>>>> Nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> www.nabslink.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke >>>>> %40hotmail >>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaisma >>>>> il04%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb >>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Darian Smith >>>> >>>> >>>> Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination >>>> Fund via your phone bill. >>>> >>>> The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with >>>> Disabilities >>>> >>>> http://www.nfb.org/fairwages >>>> >>>> >>>> "We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is >>>> made up of our ancestor's Dreams, their stories and hopes. >>>> These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our >>>> knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment." >>>> -Darian Smith >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%4 >>> 0hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb% >> 40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40 >> gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%4 > 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 03:32:36 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:32:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing In-Reply-To: <005a01ce67e4$ffe25330$ffa6f990$@gmail.com> References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> <4E3D81E65CD4476B8962602236EA30D5@userPC> <03DCD7B405A948B9BE219D4097B5B589@OwnerPC> <005a01ce67e4$ffe25330$ffa6f990$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-8178791791852540416@unknownmsgid> To add to what is been said, anyone who wants to know what NABS Is doing and is coming to the convention in Orlando might consider coming to the business meeting at national convention. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2013, at 10:22 PM, justin williams wrote: > I will be sure to be on some of the conference next year. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio M. > Guimaraes Jr. > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:39 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing > > Hi all, > > I appreciate all the time that goes into running a division. I volunteered > at some of my own to a couple of NABS committees. > > Wow there is a lot to say for running an active organization, I wonder what > the real numbers say. > > How many attend each conference call? Is there an increasing number of > participants from one conference call to another? Is the readership of the > students late increasing? Is the website getting more hits? > How many members leave, and how many join our organization? > > I do not wish to imply these numbers are low. I actually am curious to know > how our effort is paying off. > > Antonio > > On Jun 11, 2013, at 9:29 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Hi Joe, >> >> I think you make an excellent point about finding a place for young >> professionals in this organization. I am still a student, but am >> reaching the end of my studies and am at an age where most of my >> friends are now young professionals. I, too, have begun to feel burned >> out which was a big part of the reason for my resignation from NABS >> leadership in 2011. I agree that there isn't a great place for young >> professionals in the NFB yet. I also think that we could do better at >> reaching out to people who have finished their education but are not >> yet employed, or who are struggling to find work. Unemployment is >> obviously a huge issue facing blind people, and securing education and >> blindness skill training is only part of the solution for that. >> Perhaps the employment committee should be expanded or converted into >> a division for young professionals and those looking to start careers >> (including non-traditional students who have graduated and are now >> looking to start second or third careers?) >> >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 6/11/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I agree with Elizabeth. You expressed my sentements too. >>> I see the slate for more in depth articles and stories about >>> students. I found them inspiring and informative. For instance, Mary >>> Fernandez wrote an >>> >>> article on volunteering, an article about finding her first job and >>> one on clothes. I liked the nabs updates for the same reasons you >>> expressed. I am >>> >>> not in a state with an active student division and when I went to >>> meetings >>> >>> several years and tried to reach other students in between, I got >>> discouraged. We tried a listserve, but vabs remains inactive to this day. >>> People in our state cannot or will not even take the time to post to >>> the list. >>> So, I liked hearing about other student division successes and > activities. >>> >>> I hope they return; maybe not monthly, but enough to keep us informed. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:40 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>> >>> Hello Arielle, >>> >>> Thank you for providing your perspective regarding the history of the >>> NABS updates. I did not know this was something you struggled with >>> when you were the President as well. However, I have always enjoyed >>> reading them whoever was in charge of creating them. >>> >>> I guess from my point of view, I see the NABS Updates and the Student >>> Slate serving two different functions. I enjoy reading the Student >>> Slate as something for longer in-depth articles that inspire and >>> motivate me to become more involved in the organization as well as >>> life in general as a blind student. However, I also enjoy reading the >>> NABS Updates for more of the shorter announcements regarding the > logistics of the organization. >>> >>> I enjoyed being able to find all major announcements all in one >>> place. I also enjoyed reading the summaries of how major events >>> turned out especially when I am not able to attend them. And most of >>> all, I enjoyed reading what other state student divisions have been >>> doing. Granted, not everyone can participate in what every other >>> state student division is doing, but when you are a struggling state >>> student division, these short announcements can help provide ideas on >>> what is possible. If something works for another state then perhaps >>> it can work in your state as well. >>> >>> However, I completely understand that people lead busy lives, and >>> producing a monthly NABS update along with the current issues of the >>> Student Slate may be too much. But perhaps there might be some >>> workable solution that would allow for some combination of both. >>> Perhaps the NABS Updates are not produced as often, or maybe simply >>> in-between the issues of the Student Slate. Perhaps each board member >>> could take a turn writing the NABS Update highlighting some of their >>> individual accomplishments, or what they plan to accomplish, as a >>> member of the board. I am not quite sure what the answer might be, >>> but I know I definitely miss reading the NABS Updates, and would like >>> to see them return in some sort of fashion. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:17 PM >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> If I may, I'd like to offer a little bit of historical perspective >>>> on the NABS presidential updates. When I first joined NABS ten years >>>> ago, the president would write a quarterly update which would appear >>>> in the Student Slate in place of the editor's introduction, >>>> explaining what NABS has been up to and what is planned for the >>>> upcoming months. More recently, NABS went through a period of a few >>>> years where the Slate was published very irregularly. When I became >>>> president in 2009, I was concerned about whether or not we could >>>> return to quarterly Slate releases, so I started releasing monthly >>>> updates so that the membership could stay up-to-date on NABS board >>>> activities and upcoming events even if the Slate did not come out >>>> very often. Now that we have a wonderful, dependable Slate committee >>>> publishing regular issues again, the NABS updates may be able to go >>>> back on a quarterly schedule and be published in the Slate. I will >>>> also add that writing monthly updates by myself was a fairly >>>> time-consuming task, and I, too, thought about stopping them because >>>> it seemed to me that few people actually read them. Several members >>>> of my board (including our current NABS president) encouraged me to >>>> keep going with the monthly updates, so I did. Sean continued the >>>> monthly updates for a time after becoming president, but I know he >>>> is a busy guy and may have just decided that it was too much. I do >>>> think that if even a few people read the updates with interest, it >>>> is probably worth continuing them, but perhaps the NABS board could >>>> pick up some of the workload of writing them so it's not all on the > president's shoulders, or go to a quarterly schedule. >>>> Finally, the issue of membership feeling a lack of communication >>>> with the board is a perennial complaint I've seen come up over and >>>> over with multiple NABS administrations. So the current >>>> administration should not at all feel singled out by this complaint. >>>> To an extent it is natural for a national organization like NABS to >>>> experience occasional lapses in communication. I have also learned >>>> that managing communication between board and membership is a >>>> responsibility that must be shared between both parties. There are >>>> always things the board could be doing to more clearly communicate >>>> about past accomplishments and future plans, but there are also ways >>>> for interested members to initiate communication with the board. >>>> Calling or emailing NABS board members to ask what's been going on >>>> or to offer feedback is great, but an even better way to stay in the >>>> loop would be to serve on a NABS committee. Much of the day-to-day >>>> work of NABS is conducted within committees. Board members chair >>>> them, but members do (or at least >>>> should) form the backbone of the committees and carry out the >>>> organization's day-to-day operations. And, there are openings for >>>> several board members at this year's election. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 6/10/13, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> I believe that if you were to speak to any member of the NABS >>>>> board and/or NABS leadership, you will find that we believe that >>>>> this organization is one that only functions at it's best when >>>>> it's membership is a vital part of it's activities. >>>>> Basically, NABS needs every person who wants to bea part of >>>>> building this division. We need your ideas, we need your expertise, >>>>> your time, your energy. We need you to help us try out new ideas, and >>>>> we need those ideas to work and even not to work. This is how we >>>>> grow together, this is how we grow closer and help change people's >>>>> thoughts about what a blind person can and cannot do. >>>>> We need you to help educate the educators and fellow students. We >>>>> need you to help educate the public, and to fight the battles that >>>>> need to be faught to win accessability, equil treatment, and equil >>>>> rights. >>>>> we need you to tell us what things work and don't work, and even >>>>> more so, we need you to help us fix what isn't working. >>>>> You all do a great job of driving our listserve by bringing up >>>>> important topics of interest to be discussed. >>>>> Please don't let those discussions stop there, please bring your >>>>> passion and ideas to NABS and your state student division. Please >>>>> bring your ideas to your affiliate, and as well our National >>>>> office, especially if you think it might be a good thing to do. >>>>> >>>>> Please take these wrds as an oppertunity, a challange. >>>>> What canyou bring to the table? Whatwill you do today to build a >>>>> better tomorrow? >>>>> I am sure that as a member of the NABS board that I can improve >>>>> in a few ways, I'm sure all of us on the NABS board could improve >>>>> somehow, so I, nor anyone else is likely to tell you that we are >>>>> perfect. >>>>> >>>>> So you know what? let's improve. let's all find ways that we all can >>>>> improve. that's is the best thing that we can do. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Darian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/10/13, Rania Ismail LMT wrote: >>>>>> I saw them and each time I would read them I was happy to see what >>>>>> nabs was doing. >>>>>> Rania, >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Elizabeth Mohnke >>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:10 AM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Sean, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am sorry you took my email so personally. It was not meant to be >>>>>> a personal attack on any particular individual, nor was it meant >>>>>> to discount the participation of any particular individual within >>>>>> this organization. >>>>>> I >>>>>> was just simply trying to offer my thoughts on the notion of this >>>>>> organization being about the members at large and not just the >>>>>> board as mentioned in a previous email recently sent out from the > board. >>>>>> >>>>>> Based upon this comment, I received the impression that one of the >>>>>> goals of >>>>>> >>>>>> the current board is to make the organization about the membership >>>>>> at large >>>>>> >>>>>> and not just the board. However, as a general member, I see a >>>>>> growing disconnect in this area, and offered how I see this >>>>>> disconnect take place as >>>>>> >>>>>> well as a possible solution to the problem by bringing back the >>>>>> monthly updates. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think it is great that the board has accomplished all of the >>>>>> things that you listed in your email. However, I am not quite sure >>>>>> how I am expected to >>>>>> >>>>>> know about all of these accomplishments as a general member when >>>>>> it appears >>>>>> >>>>>> as though most of these accomplishments take place behind the >>>>>> scenes without >>>>>> >>>>>> the involvement of the membership at large. I can only speak from >>>>>> my observations as a general member, so I am glad to hear there >>>>>> are some things >>>>>> >>>>>> going on despite whether or not they can be seen by the membership >>>>>> at large. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since the comment about the organization being about the >>>>>> membership at large >>>>>> >>>>>> and not just the board was made in a public email circulated on >>>>>> all of the student email lists, I thought this would be an >>>>>> acceptable subject to discuss on the email list. I was curious if >>>>>> others have seen this same disconnect from the membership at large >>>>>> and the board, or if it was just me. >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not know, perhaps I am the only one who enjoys reading the >>>>>> monthly updates, and actually looks forward to receiving them. >>>>>> Again,, I am sorry you took my email so personally. >>>>>> >>>>>> Warm regards, >>>>>> Elizabeth >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> From: >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2013 9:15 PM >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I appreciate your indicating that the monthly updates are >>>>>>> something that you found useful. Perhaps we should consider >>>>>>> bringing those back. The impression I had was that not many >>>>>>> people took the trouble to read them, and they do take a fair >>>>>>> amount of time and effort to put together. Thank you for writing >>>>>>> to suggest the reinstatement of the NABS Notes updates. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Beyond that, I must respectfully take issue with your >>>>>>> characterization of the current situation. NABS board members, >>>>>>> working side by side with many other members of NABS, have >>>>>>> engaged in multiple projects over the last year. >>>>>>> We have sent representatives to numerous student functions and >>>>>>> state conventions around the country. We have overhauled the >>>>>>> membership list and put it in a searchable database. We have held >>>>>>> multiple informative membership calls. We have put out issues of >>>>>>> the Student Slate. We have held a student leadership seminar in >>>>>>> Baltimore. We have worked on a mentoring program for first-time >>>>>>> convention attendees that will be taking place in Orlando. We >>>>>>> have raised significant funds for the work of NABS and the NFB as >>>>>>> a whole. And we have NABS board members and general members alike >>>>>>> who hold significant leadership positions in their chapters and >>>>>>> affiliates. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am 100% open to thoughts, suggestions, or criticism. However, I >>>>>>> do not appreciate having my board and our many hard-working >>>>>>> members called out for doing nothing in a public forum such as >>>>>>> this list. Suggestions on what NABS or the board could be doing >>>>>>> better are always welcome at nabs.president at gmail.com. I >>>>>>> appreciate all constructive feedback, be it positive or negative. >>>>>>> But let us not discredit the time and energy that many >>>>>>> individuals volunteer to continue to build our organization and >>>>>>> make progress on issues of importance to all of us. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sean Whalen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (608) 332-4147 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.nabslink.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke >>>>>> %40hotmail >>>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaisma >>>>>> il04%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb >>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Darian Smith >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination >>>>> Fund via your phone bill. >>>>> >>>>> The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with >>>>> Disabilities >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfb.org/fairwages >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is >>>>> made up of our ancestor's Dreams, their stories and hopes. >>>>> These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our >>>>> knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment." >>>>> -Darian Smith >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71% >>>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%4 >>>> 0hotmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb% >>> 40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40 >>> gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%4 >> 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 04:10:19 2013 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 00:10:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Descriptive videos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <255EABD9-D218-4FA7-85C8-DFBC7D2F4ED9@gmail.com> Serotek has a service called Samnet that you pay for that has as a lot of descriptive videos. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2013, at 11:01 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Winona, > I hope you found the descriptive videos you needed. > Just wanted to comment as now I have some time. > You don't always need description to follow a movie, particularly if you read the book. > But it does help. > I had the same problem in school, both college and high school. We had to do this to write a movie review for business writing and we had to analyze a film for abnormal psychology to write a psychological diagnosis and I had to watch a movie for homework for high school english. > There was more, but those are some highlights. > So, I'm not new to the movie analysis assignment problem. > > As I write this, keep in mind that I'm not a movie fan; I find the plots hard to follow often and movies are either too fast paced or slow to enjoy. To complicate it, voices can sound similar and you cannot always tell whose talking nor can I figure out where the flashbacks are. > I much prefer reading to movies. > > Anyway, what I did was have someone describe it. I used family or even if needed a paid reader. > I did not waste time finding accessible videos. Winona, sorry to say, but described videos are few and far between. We used to have more when we had vhs or video cassettes. > Now, dvds have menus that we cannot see to select the options. > Most dvds don't have a descriptive track. I believe some studios produce descriptive tracks such as universal studios, but not many companies do. > > You can get sound tracks online from blind mice megamall but I haven't tried it. I would guess many of these are older videos. > I'd feel bad about downloading something free that one should really pay for. > > ACB also has a list of described films on their site which you can purchase from amazon. > Also, nls does have a limited selection of described videos. They might have mostly old vhs recordings, so if you have a old vcr, you might have a better chance of getting a described video. My local talking book library used to have several vhs movies including the harry potter series. now they only have a very small collection, like less than 20 items, which are on dvd. > > I think your best bet for a class assignment is getting a classmate or other sighted person to help you, rather than limiting yourself to the small amount of described videos. > I wish the consumer groups would push for more described movies. > > We cannot buy movie downloads and carry them with us like everyone else. For instance, from itunes or > netflix. I hope someday we will be able to download more described videos and carry them on our ipods or tablets like everyone else. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Winona Brackett > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 5:23 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: blindtlk at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Descriptive videos > > Hi , > > I am doing a project for an English assignment and my teacher wants us > to watch a movie and analyze it. (Pick out the different archetypes > such as hero; clown; wise old man; and etc.) > > I found a link about descriptive videos. > > https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/fr/fr31/4/fr310412.htm > > Where can I find descriptive videos? Does the National Library Service > (NLS) carry them? > > Thanks, > Winona > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jun 13 04:16:55 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 00:16:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Descriptive videos In-Reply-To: <255EABD9-D218-4FA7-85C8-DFBC7D2F4ED9@gmail.com> References: <255EABD9-D218-4FA7-85C8-DFBC7D2F4ED9@gmail.com> Message-ID: but to use serotek, I thought you had to use their screen reader. Also, do you mean descriptive sound tracks? Are the files real movies? Some of us want to view them with others. -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:10 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Descriptive videos Serotek has a service called Samnet that you pay for that has as a lot of descriptive videos. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 12, 2013, at 11:01 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Winona, > I hope you found the descriptive videos you needed. > Just wanted to comment as now I have some time. > You don't always need description to follow a movie, particularly if you > read the book. > But it does help. > I had the same problem in school, both college and high school. We had to > do this to write a movie review for business writing and we had to analyze > a film for abnormal psychology to write a psychological diagnosis and I > had to watch a movie for homework for high school english. > There was more, but those are some highlights. > So, I'm not new to the movie analysis assignment problem. > > As I write this, keep in mind that I'm not a movie fan; I find the plots > hard to follow often and movies are either too fast paced or slow to > enjoy. To complicate it, voices can sound similar and you cannot always > tell whose talking nor can I figure out where the flashbacks are. > I much prefer reading to movies. > > Anyway, what I did was have someone describe it. I used family or even if > needed a paid reader. > I did not waste time finding accessible videos. Winona, sorry to say, but > described videos are few and far between. We used to have more when we had > vhs or video cassettes. > Now, dvds have menus that we cannot see to select the options. > Most dvds don't have a descriptive track. I believe some studios produce > descriptive tracks such as universal studios, but not many companies do. > > You can get sound tracks online from blind mice megamall but I haven't > tried it. I would guess many of these are older videos. > I'd feel bad about downloading something free that one should really pay > for. > > ACB also has a list of described films on their site which you can > purchase from amazon. > Also, nls does have a limited selection of described videos. They might > have mostly old vhs recordings, so if you have a old vcr, you might have a > better chance of getting a described video. My local talking book library > used to have several vhs movies including the harry potter series. now > they only have a very small collection, like less than 20 items, which are > on dvd. > > I think your best bet for a class assignment is getting a classmate or > other sighted person to help you, rather than limiting yourself to the > small amount of described videos. > I wish the consumer groups would push for more described movies. > > We cannot buy movie downloads and carry them with us like everyone else. > For instance, from itunes or > netflix. I hope someday we will be able to download more described videos > and carry them on our ipods or tablets like everyone else. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Winona Brackett > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 5:23 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: blindtlk at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Descriptive videos > > Hi , > > I am doing a project for an English assignment and my teacher wants us > to watch a movie and analyze it. (Pick out the different archetypes > such as hero; clown; wise old man; and etc.) > > I found a link about descriptive videos. > > https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/fr/fr31/4/fr310412.htm > > Where can I find descriptive videos? Does the National Library Service > (NLS) carry them? > > Thanks, > Winona > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jun 13 04:21:04 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 00:21:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] raisers edge and donor perfect Message-ID: Hi all, To work, you come across many software programs to track information. Even volunteering, this will be an issue. These are databases used to track donor information. Anyone know about the accessibility of Donor Perfect and Raisers edge? What works and what does not? Thanks. From sjhhirst at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 14:13:02 2013 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:13:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? Message-ID: Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 14:32:04 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:32:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, Although I am still in school with several years to go, I do think having a young professionals division sounds like a great idea. I think that it might be a great place for people fresh out of school and hunting for jobs, or just getting the hang of their jobs, to mingle/bounce ideas off of each other/share solutions. I can see why some feel there is somewhat of a disconnect between NABS and the other career divisions and how they might feel out of place transitioning between the groups because technically they are no longer students, but also aren't into the thick of their profession either. A young professionals division might be able to bridge that gap a bit. Anyway, those are just my thoughts. On 6/13/13, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned an NFB > young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is this > something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it on the > agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 14:55:42 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:55:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006501ce6846$141da690$3c58f3b0$@gmail.com> Yes, I would. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie H. DeLuca Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:13 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 14:58:23 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:58:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006b01ce6846$73fc0a20$5bf41e60$@gmail.com> Maybe just the professionals division; I'm 34 and just got back into school, butt several years from not, I would be a youg professional. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:32 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? Hi all, Although I am still in school with several years to go, I do think having a young professionals division sounds like a great idea. I think that it might be a great place for people fresh out of school and hunting for jobs, or just getting the hang of their jobs, to mingle/bounce ideas off of each other/share solutions. I can see why some feel there is somewhat of a disconnect between NABS and the other career divisions and how they might feel out of place transitioning between the groups because technically they are no longer students, but also aren't into the thick of their profession either. A young professionals division might be able to bridge that gap a bit. Anyway, those are just my thoughts. On 6/13/13, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned > an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol > Is this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put > it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ > Stephanie > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 15:04:42 2013 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:04:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: <006501ce6846$141da690$3c58f3b0$@gmail.com> References: <006501ce6846$141da690$3c58f3b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <32CE5869-AA81-4C52-B93B-F9B1443B3FD1@gmail.com> As a soon-to-be college grad in the fall, I would be interested in further discussion of such a devision. Sent from Anjelina's iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:55 AM, "justin williams" wrote: > Yes, I would. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stephanie H. > DeLuca > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:13 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned an NFB > young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is this > something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it on the > agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 15:13:58 2013 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:13:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: <006b01ce6846$73fc0a20$5bf41e60$@gmail.com> References: <006b01ce6846$73fc0a20$5bf41e60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6C76F6841F784E6DB602327A1538153A@userPC> I would be interested in it as well. I think it would also give those of us starting out a way to network with others in the same field as well. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of justin williams Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:58 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? Maybe just the professionals division; I'm 34 and just got back into school, butt several years from not, I would be a youg professional. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:32 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? Hi all, Although I am still in school with several years to go, I do think having a young professionals division sounds like a great idea. I think that it might be a great place for people fresh out of school and hunting for jobs, or just getting the hang of their jobs, to mingle/bounce ideas off of each other/share solutions. I can see why some feel there is somewhat of a disconnect between NABS and the other career divisions and how they might feel out of place transitioning between the groups because technically they are no longer students, but also aren't into the thick of their profession either. A young professionals division might be able to bridge that gap a bit. Anyway, those are just my thoughts. On 6/13/13, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned > an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol > Is this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put > it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ > Stephanie > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma il.com From brailleprincess at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 15:38:19 2013 From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:38:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's Message-ID: Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible pdf’s to word format that is accessible with JAWS? Thanks, Kayla From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Thu Jun 13 15:50:11 2013 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:50:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's Message-ID: Hi=20Kayla, =20=20=20One=20excellent=20option=20would=20be=20to=20email=20the=20PDF=20a= s=20an=20 attachment=20to=20=20convert at robobraille.org,=20=20putting=20DOC=20as=20the= =20 subject.=20=20Within=20minutes,=20you'll=20receive=20a=20copy=20of=20the=20= document=20 in=20Word=20format.=20=20If=20you=20decide=20you'd=20prefer=20a=20different= =20format,=20 you=20can=20indicate=20that=20by=20changing=20the=20subject=20line=20to=20t= he=20name=20of=20 that=20format=20(TXT,=20for=20instance). Hope=20this=20helps! Lucy =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Kayla=20Weathers=20 References: Message-ID: Give ABBYY FineReader Online a try: http://finereader.abbyyonline.com/en - The first 20 pages are free at last check, and you can purchase packages after that. I use it all the time. Brice On 6/13/13, Kayla Weathers wrote: > Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible pdf’s > to word format that is accessible with JAWS? > Thanks, Kayla > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com > From lissa1531 at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 16:03:57 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 10:03:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? References: Message-ID: <7DF0D38FF99B4503AD84E21C82FE203B@HP30910210001> It sounds like a really good idea. I would be interested. I can see it now Some people would pobably not join because of the fact that it says young professionals. *laughing* Blessings, Melissa and Pj "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson facebook Melissa R Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie H. DeLuca" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:13 AM Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Thu Jun 13 16:11:28 2013 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:11:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you already have Kurzweil 1000 or Open Book as some students do, they will convert such PDF's. If not, off-the-shelf OCR programs such as FineReader and OmniPage will do it as well. Nuance, the makers of OmniPage, also has a PDF converter product, but I am not sure if that product has OCR built-in and whether you can get it as a stand-alone product. Other OCR software may have this ability as well. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:38:19 -0400, Kayla Weathers wrote: >Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible pdfs >to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >Thanks, Kayla >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 16:15:39 2013 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:15:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <536812B3-36C1-4B19-88D5-89D73D41C488@gmail.com> DocuScan plus Will also convert PDF documents to word documents Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 12:11 PM, "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > If you already have Kurzweil 1000 or Open Book as some students do, they will convert such PDF's. If not, off-the-shelf OCR > programs such as FineReader and OmniPage will do it as well. Nuance, the makers of OmniPage, also has a PDF converter product, but I > am not sure if that product has OCR built-in and whether you can get it as a stand-alone product. Other OCR software may have this > ability as well. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:38:19 -0400, Kayla Weathers wrote: > >> Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible pdfs >> to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >> Thanks, Kayla > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From louvins at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 16:19:42 2013 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:19:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: <536812B3-36C1-4B19-88D5-89D73D41C488@gmail.com> References: <536812B3-36C1-4B19-88D5-89D73D41C488@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Kayla. I agree with steve. I have kurzweil on my computer, and I use it when I have an Ebook in pdf format. I can then convert the pdf document in to audio format. On 6/13/13, Hope Paulos wrote: > DocuScan plus Will also convert PDF documents to word documents > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 12:11 PM, "Steve Jacobson" > wrote: > >> If you already have Kurzweil 1000 or Open Book as some students do, they >> will convert such PDF's. If not, off-the-shelf OCR >> programs such as FineReader and OmniPage will do it as well. Nuance, the >> makers of OmniPage, also has a PDF converter product, but I >> am not sure if that product has OCR built-in and whether you can get it as >> a stand-alone product. Other OCR software may have this >> ability as well. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:38:19 -0400, Kayla Weathers wrote: >> >>> Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible pdf s >>> to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >>> Thanks, Kayla >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > -- Joshua T Hendrickson From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jun 13 16:29:42 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:29:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: <536812B3-36C1-4B19-88D5-89D73D41C488@gmail.com> References: <536812B3-36C1-4B19-88D5-89D73D41C488@gmail.com> Message-ID: can you say more? Is this a free product? Where do you get it from? -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's DocuScan plus Will also convert PDF documents to word documents Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 12:11 PM, "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > If you already have Kurzweil 1000 or Open Book as some students do, they > will convert such PDF's. If not, off-the-shelf OCR > programs such as FineReader and OmniPage will do it as well. Nuance, the > makers of OmniPage, also has a PDF converter product, but I > am not sure if that product has OCR built-in and whether you can get it as > a stand-alone product. Other OCR software may have this > ability as well. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:38:19 -0400, Kayla Weathers wrote: > >> Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible pdfs >> to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >> Thanks, Kayla > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From hope.paulos at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 16:45:57 2013 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:45:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Descriptive videos In-Reply-To: References: <255EABD9-D218-4FA7-85C8-DFBC7D2F4ED9@gmail.com> Message-ID: I believe their MP3 files. No, you don't have to use the screen reader in order to use the Samnet service you can purchase the service as a standalone. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 12:16 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > but to use serotek, I thought you had to use their screen reader. > Also, do you mean descriptive sound tracks? Are the files real movies? Some of us want to view them with others. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:10 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Descriptive videos > > Serotek has a service called Samnet that you pay for that has as a lot of descriptive videos. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 12, 2013, at 11:01 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > >> Winona, >> I hope you found the descriptive videos you needed. >> Just wanted to comment as now I have some time. >> You don't always need description to follow a movie, particularly if you read the book. >> But it does help. >> I had the same problem in school, both college and high school. We had to do this to write a movie review for business writing and we had to analyze a film for abnormal psychology to write a psychological diagnosis and I had to watch a movie for homework for high school english. >> There was more, but those are some highlights. >> So, I'm not new to the movie analysis assignment problem. >> >> As I write this, keep in mind that I'm not a movie fan; I find the plots hard to follow often and movies are either too fast paced or slow to enjoy. To complicate it, voices can sound similar and you cannot always tell whose talking nor can I figure out where the flashbacks are. >> I much prefer reading to movies. >> >> Anyway, what I did was have someone describe it. I used family or even if needed a paid reader. >> I did not waste time finding accessible videos. Winona, sorry to say, but described videos are few and far between. We used to have more when we had vhs or video cassettes. >> Now, dvds have menus that we cannot see to select the options. >> Most dvds don't have a descriptive track. I believe some studios produce descriptive tracks such as universal studios, but not many companies do. >> >> You can get sound tracks online from blind mice megamall but I haven't tried it. I would guess many of these are older videos. >> I'd feel bad about downloading something free that one should really pay for. >> >> ACB also has a list of described films on their site which you can purchase from amazon. >> Also, nls does have a limited selection of described videos. They might have mostly old vhs recordings, so if you have a old vcr, you might have a better chance of getting a described video. My local talking book library used to have several vhs movies including the harry potter series. now they only have a very small collection, like less than 20 items, which are on dvd. >> >> I think your best bet for a class assignment is getting a classmate or other sighted person to help you, rather than limiting yourself to the small amount of described videos. >> I wish the consumer groups would push for more described movies. >> >> We cannot buy movie downloads and carry them with us like everyone else. For instance, from itunes or >> netflix. I hope someday we will be able to download more described videos and carry them on our ipods or tablets like everyone else. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- From: Winona Brackett >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 5:23 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Cc: blindtlk at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Descriptive videos >> >> Hi , >> >> I am doing a project for an English assignment and my teacher wants us >> to watch a movie and analyze it. (Pick out the different archetypes >> such as hero; clown; wise old man; and etc.) >> >> I found a link about descriptive videos. >> >> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/fr/fr31/4/fr310412.htm >> >> Where can I find descriptive videos? Does the National Library Service >> (NLS) carry them? >> >> Thanks, >> Winona >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 17:08:26 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:08:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other young professionals. On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" wrote: > Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned an NFB > young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is this > something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it on the > agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com Thu Jun 13 18:08:06 2013 From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:08:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Open-book is pretty good or other scanning software with built in OCR. Or download Zella PDF but that only converts to txt. Are you using a PDF reader? Are you using Adobe? If I recall Adobe versions nine and up is compatible with jaws 12 and up because of the added jaws OCR feature I hope this helps, Sent from my iPad On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Kayla Weathers wrote: > Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible pdf’s > to word format that is accessible with JAWS? > Thanks, Kayla > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 18:35:58 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:35:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008701ce6864$d97a43d0$8c6ecb70$@gmail.com> How is it doen with open book? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's Hi, Open-book is pretty good or other scanning software with built in OCR. Or download Zella PDF but that only converts to txt. Are you using a PDF reader? Are you using Adobe? If I recall Adobe versions nine and up is compatible with jaws 12 and up because of the added jaws OCR feature I hope this helps, Sent from my iPad On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Kayla Weathers wrote: > Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible pdf’s > to word format that is accessible with JAWS? > Thanks, Kayla > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalke > r13%40aol.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Thu Jun 13 18:37:18 2013 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:37:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com> References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals as well as students. We can all be in the same division. That way mentoring can take place with ease. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? I would also be interested in having a place to network with other young professionals. On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" wrote: > Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned > an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol > Is this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put > it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ > Stephanie > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%4 0dbs.fldoe.org From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com Thu Jun 13 20:29:31 2013 From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:29:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: <008701ce6864$d97a43d0$8c6ecb70$@gmail.com> References: <008701ce6864$d97a43d0$8c6ecb70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: The OCR in Openbook which is now built in to jaws 13 is all you need to read a PDF. All this means is when you select the program to open I. You would pick Openbook but you do not have to do that anymore because of jaws 13. I do not remember how I put Openbook as an option in the programs list because it is not a default. If you would like more information on features for this software I copied a link. I am sorry I do not recall all of the detailed. What version of jaws are you using? If it is jaws 12 or higher you have built in OCR and do not need any of this. Open a PDF, let it load and use your Jaws reading keys. I am sorry I did not ask the jaws version question befor because that could save a lot of work. Best Sent from my iPad On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:35 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > How is it doen with open book? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's > > Hi, > Open-book is pretty good or other scanning software with built in OCR. > Or download Zella PDF but that only converts to txt. > Are you using a PDF reader? Are you using Adobe? > If I recall Adobe versions nine and up is compatible with jaws 12 and up because of the added jaws OCR feature > > I hope this helps, > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Kayla Weathers wrote: > >> Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible pdf’s >> to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >> Thanks, Kayla >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalke >> r13%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com Thu Jun 13 20:35:05 2013 From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:35:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: References: <008701ce6864$d97a43d0$8c6ecb70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <92CD64A9-E4E3-4635-8C51-C6F867CE71FB@aol.com> Hi I'm sorry I forgot the link. http://www.freedomscientific.com/products/fs/openbook-product-page.asp Sent from my iPad On Jun 13, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Bridget Walker wrote: > The OCR in Openbook which is now built in to jaws 13 is all you need to read a PDF. > All this means is when you select the program to open I. You would pick Openbook but you do not have to do that anymore because of jaws 13. > I do not remember how I put Openbook as an option in the programs list because it is not a default. > If you would like more information on features for this software I copied a link. > I am sorry I do not recall all of the detailed. > What version of jaws are you using? If it is jaws 12 or higher you have built in OCR and do not need any of this. > Open a PDF, let it load and use your Jaws reading keys. > I am sorry I did not ask the jaws version question befor because that could save a lot of work. > > Best > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:35 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > >> How is it doen with open book? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's >> >> Hi, >> Open-book is pretty good or other scanning software with built in OCR. >> Or download Zella PDF but that only converts to txt. >> Are you using a PDF reader? Are you using Adobe? >> If I recall Adobe versions nine and up is compatible with jaws 12 and up because of the added jaws OCR feature >> >> I hope this helps, >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Kayla Weathers wrote: >> >>> Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible pdf’s >>> to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >>> Thanks, Kayla >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalke >>> r13%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 20:38:19 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:38:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] blogging In-Reply-To: References: <944EE2F6641B4AE6A035A600502D1663@OwnerPC> <16929AE9-B298-4A06-9272-0F1D0D6E5015@gmail.com> Message-ID: I use Blogger, and find it much easier than when I tried to use WordPress. Also, I use html tags like "Name of Site" for special functions. If you google HTML basics, you can learn how to use them instead of dealing with the buttons that are more difficult to deal with. My two cents, Jewel On 6/12/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi, > Using wordpress is a handful. I was able to create a new page and publish > it. > Its more time consuming though as I had to tab to the buttons. The quick > keys such as b for button did not work with this interface. > The dashboard reads everything, I think. > > Jess, did you find a way though to create headings? A sighted user explained > there is a box to click on headings. But I kept tabbing and did not find it. > I was hoping to have headings so each topic or day would be a new heading. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jessica Silva > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 4:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blogging > > Hey Ashly. > Adding a new post and a new page are different. If u want a new page you > have to add it via pages on your dashboard. > Hope that helps. > Jess > > > Check out my blog. > http://empowernetwork.com/jessicasilva > > Http://Www.makemoneywithjessica.com > > > On May 3, 2013, at 12:23 PM, Jewel wrote: > >> Hi, >> I used blogspot. I love it, and it is fully accessible to the blind! You >> can find it at www.blogger.com, and visit my blog to see how well it works >> at flying treasure chest.blogspot.com Which is a blog about low and high >> technology for the blind. Our latest post, "android or iOS? "Talks about >> android access and Apple vis. The only problem I have with blogspot is >> that sometimes I have a Chabot finding the comments area to publish down. >> I get around this by having it Enomine all my comments. From the email, I >> can read the comment and press publish or delete, and it will send me >> directly to my dashboard for further Instructions. >> Please excuse in me and all spelling and grammar errors in this email, as >> I am using Siri to write it. >> ~Jewel >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 3, 2013, at 3:50 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I wanted to know which blog sites are accessible. Is wordpress still >>> acessible? >>> I’m trying to use it and it seems to me that when attempting to upload >>> text by pasting it in, jaws does not read the text and the quick >>> navigation keys of B for button or l for list don’t work. You can only >>> tab to the elements you need. >>> >>> Also, how do you create a new page within wordpress? By default when ever >>> you select new post from dashboard, it puts it in your home page. I’m not >>> sure how to change that. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessmonsilva2003%40sbcglobal.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 20:49:18 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:49:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: References: <008701ce6864$d97a43d0$8c6ecb70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00be01ce6877$79a70930$6cf51b90$@gmail.com> I'm using jaws 14, but from what I can see, even if you use the ocr in jaws, you can only read it; you can't manipulate it in any way. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's The OCR in Openbook which is now built in to jaws 13 is all you need to read a PDF. All this means is when you select the program to open I. You would pick Openbook but you do not have to do that anymore because of jaws 13. I do not remember how I put Openbook as an option in the programs list because it is not a default. If you would like more information on features for this software I copied a link. I am sorry I do not recall all of the detailed. What version of jaws are you using? If it is jaws 12 or higher you have built in OCR and do not need any of this. Open a PDF, let it load and use your Jaws reading keys. I am sorry I did not ask the jaws version question befor because that could save a lot of work. Best Sent from my iPad On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:35 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > How is it doen with open book? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget > Walker > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's > > Hi, > Open-book is pretty good or other scanning software with built in OCR. > Or download Zella PDF but that only converts to txt. > Are you using a PDF reader? Are you using Adobe? > If I recall Adobe versions nine and up is compatible with jaws 12 and > up because of the added jaws OCR feature > > I hope this helps, > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Kayla Weathers wrote: > >> Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible >> pdf’s to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >> Thanks, Kayla >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalk >> e >> r13%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalke > r13%40aol.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 21:16:04 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:16:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Connecting BrailleSense with Apple IOS devices Message-ID: Hi all, I know this might initially seem off topic for this list, but everything will be explained by the end. I have a BrailleSense On-Hand running the latest version of the software from HIMS and an IPhone 4 running IOS 6.1. Not being the techiest person in the world, I just made my first attempt at connecting the BrailleSense to the IPhone. The initial scan went well and I was able to put in the pin and connect the devices, but after a few seconds an alert popped up on my IPhone that said the device was not supported and the only option I had for clearing the dialog box was "Forget device." Now the IPhone will show up on the BrailleSense but the IPhone won't even bring the BrailleSense up in its searches anymore. I looked around on Applevis and I know that Apple messed up the braille drivers in IOS 5.1 in such a way that certain braille products, like the ones from HIMS, didn't work well. Apple was made aware of the issue but I'm not sure if they fixed it in 6.1 and my connection was just a fluke or if the issue still has yet to be resolved. But connecting my IPhone isn't that big of a deal; what's more important to me is not having the same issue with other I devices. I'm considering buying an IPad mini for school. I figured that with the right apps, (Pages or a Microsoft Word app, Numbers, Dropbox, etc), I would be able to take the IPad and my BrailleSense to certain classes which rely more on notetaking and not have to take my laptop with me everywhere I go. I was hoping that this would be able to work and that the BrailleSense would be able to act both as my bluetooth keyboard and a braille display. As a back up I could get the Focus 14 to go with the IPad, but I would rather not buy another braille display if I don't have to. If anyone has had experience connecting their BrailleSense to apple devices or would be able to advise on whether my IPad Mini plan would be worth it please let me know. Thanks. -- Kaiti From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 22:18:12 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:18:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] research opportunity for high school students and older Message-ID: Hi, A fellow researcher is conducting a study about how people with sensory disabilities interact with technology on a day-to-day basis. She is conducting a study in which participants submit about 10 diary entries through an online form about an experience, positive or negative, they are having with technology. She will ask you to participate in an exit interview as well. This interview can occur over the phone, Skype, or on a chat client. If you are interested and if you feel that you can commit to remembering to submit entries, please contact me so I can put you in touch with the researcher. She is especially interested in recruiting high school students. If you are under 18, you will need to get parent permission to participate, and she will provide the form when I connect the 2 of you. Thanks so much, and I hope to hear from you! -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students Legislative Coordinator: National Federation of the Blind of Washington B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 22:43:24 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:43:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Connecting BrailleSense with Apple IOS devices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02634DEE-3591-41D3-8EA8-4BD4BFB1FA70@gmail.com> My friend had the same problem with the iPhone and braillenote. It may be a bug. Sophie Trist Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi all, > > I know this might initially seem off topic for this list, but > everything will be explained by the end. I have a BrailleSense > On-Hand running the latest version of the software from HIMS and an > IPhone 4 running IOS 6.1. Not being the techiest person in the world, > I just made my first attempt at connecting the BrailleSense to the > IPhone. The initial scan went well and I was able to put in the pin > and connect the devices, but after a few seconds an alert popped up on > my IPhone that said the device was not supported and the only option I > had for clearing the dialog box was "Forget device." Now the IPhone > will show up on the BrailleSense but the IPhone won't even bring the > BrailleSense up in its searches anymore. > I looked around on Applevis and I know that Apple messed up the > braille drivers in IOS 5.1 in such a way that certain braille > products, like the ones from HIMS, didn't work well. Apple was made > aware of the issue but I'm not sure if they fixed it in 6.1 and my > connection was just a fluke or if the issue still has yet to be > resolved. But connecting my IPhone isn't that big of a deal; what's > more important to me is not having the same issue with other I > devices. I'm considering buying an IPad mini for school. I figured > that with the right apps, (Pages or a Microsoft Word app, Numbers, > Dropbox, etc), I would be able to take the IPad and my BrailleSense to > certain classes which rely more on notetaking and not have to take my > laptop with me everywhere I go. I was hoping that this would be able > to work and that the BrailleSense would be able to act both as my > bluetooth keyboard and a braille display. As a back up I could get > the Focus 14 to go with the IPad, but I would rather not buy another > braille display if I don't have to. > > If anyone has had experience connecting their BrailleSense to apple > devices or would be able to advise on whether my IPad Mini plan would > be worth it please let me know. Thanks. > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jun 13 22:59:25 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 17:59:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Mdabs] Calling university Applicants to 3 day Summer Seminar in New York References: Message-ID: <-8911439025120026782@unknownmsgid> FYI – this was sent to the Maryland student division list. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: *From:* Shafeka Hashash *Date:* June 13, 2013, 1:07:30 PM CDT *To:* ctabs at nfbnet.org *Cc:* mdabs at nfbnet.org *Subject:* *[Mdabs] Calling university Applicants to 3 day Summer Seminar in New York* *Reply-To:* Maryland Association of Blind Students Mailing List < mdabs at nfbnet.org> Please circulate widely Calling applicants to the 2013 Summer Leadership Training Seminar in New York during August 12th through the 14th. We are looking for 30 intelligent, driven, and passionate university students with disabilities looking to be leaders in their campuses and communities. The two night three day seminar will involve multiple hands-on workshops with disability rights activists who may teach from experience. Participants will then be equipped with the knowledge and energy to lead their own campus wide campaigns promoting full rights, pay, and integration for all persons. If you are interested in being a leader who makes great change while working with famous rights activists and many driven peers, we strongly encourage you to apply. Please email the attached application form to njabstudents at gmail.com. For questions email New Jersey Association of Blind Students President, Shafeka Hashash, at snh278 at nyu.edu. In solidarity, The New Jersey Association of Blind Students -- Shafeka Hashash -- Shafeka Hashash -- Shafeka Hashash -- Shafeka Hashash -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Summer Leadership Seminar 2013 Student Application Form.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 21931 bytes Desc: not available URL: From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Thu Jun 13 23:45:06 2013 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:45:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3ADCE8C3-392E-43D7-8F2C-0C3E005CCC2A@samobile.net> I would be very interested in a young professionals group. Young professionals have a different set of challenges and students do. I am not certain how blindness interacts with being a young professional, but I think it is safe to say that blindness does add an additional strike against you when you are young professional. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 9:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" wrote: > Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned an NFB > young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is this > something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it on the > agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Thu Jun 13 23:46:25 2013 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:46:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: <006b01ce6846$73fc0a20$5bf41e60$@gmail.com> References: <006b01ce6846$73fc0a20$5bf41e60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, I would count a young professional as someone who is young in age or less than five years in their chosen profession. Either way you toss it, the challenges are very similar. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 9:58 AM, "justin williams" wrote: > Maybe just the professionals division; I'm 34 and just got back into school, > butt several years from not, I would be a youg professional. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:32 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > Hi all, > > Although I am still in school with several years to go, I do think having a > young professionals division sounds like a great idea. I think that it > might be a great place for people fresh out of school and hunting for jobs, > or just getting the hang of their jobs, to mingle/bounce ideas off of each > other/share solutions. I can see why some feel there is somewhat of a > disconnect between NABS and the other career divisions and how they might > feel out of place transitioning between the groups because technically they > are no longer students, but also aren't into the thick of their profession > either. A young professionals division might be able to bridge that gap a > bit. > Anyway, those are just my thoughts. > > On 6/13/13, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: >> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned >> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol >> Is this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put >> it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ >> Stephanie >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine >> t104%40gmail.com > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 00:19:32 2013 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:19:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: <3ADCE8C3-392E-43D7-8F2C-0C3E005CCC2A@samobile.net> References: <3ADCE8C3-392E-43D7-8F2C-0C3E005CCC2A@samobile.net> Message-ID: While the NFB does offer a variety of divisions which are specific to professions, I think a young professionals division could help Bridge the gap between being a student and starting out any career. To me, it seems Some of the professional divisions aren't as active because people are Busy in their careers which is usual to expect. I really hope that even if this doesn't become of division it can become a group with in Nabs. And maybe a way to also encourage pass students to stay more involved in the organization. Sent from Anjelina's iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 7:45 PM, Jedi Moerke wrote: > I would be very interested in a young professionals group. Young professionals have a different set of challenges and students do. I am not certain how blindness interacts with being a young professional, but I think it is safe to say that blindness does add an additional strike against you when you are young professional. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 9:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" wrote: > >> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned an NFB >> young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is this >> something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it on the >> agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 00:36:25 2013 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:36:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> Message-ID: <018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the scope of the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS still has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training centers, disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of a professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like accessibility in the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar fields such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still like signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in protest to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to meet every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs to be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at 4:00 in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less around 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. Yes, it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a lot more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me not want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave people like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on the Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is because I think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. Maybe a happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. Joe -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, Zunaira Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals as well as students. We can all be in the same division. That way mentoring can take place with ease. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? I would also be interested in having a place to network with other young professionals. On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" wrote: > Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned > an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is > this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it > on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%4 0dbs.fldoe.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.co m From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 00:50:01 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 18:50:01 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: <00be01ce6877$79a70930$6cf51b90$@gmail.com> References: <008701ce6864$d97a43d0$8c6ecb70$@gmail.com> <00be01ce6877$79a70930$6cf51b90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi guys, I have a slightly related question. Is there any software or Web-based service that will convert a Keyword Braille file (one generated on a Braille Note) to text or Word format? I don't have a Braille Note anymore, but have some old journals and other files I created on a Braille Note that I'd like to read, but can't because they're in contracted Braille (Keyword Braille). For that matter, any way to convert old files created on a Braille Lite 2000? Thanks, Arielle On 6/13/13, justin williams wrote: > I'm using jaws 14, but from what I can see, even if you use the ocr in jaws, > you can only read it; you can't manipulate it in any way. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's > > The OCR in Openbook which is now built in to jaws 13 is all you need to read > a PDF. > All this means is when you select the program to open I. You would pick > Openbook but you do not have to do that anymore because of jaws 13. > I do not remember how I put Openbook as an option in the programs list > because it is not a default. > If you would like more information on features for this software I copied a > link. > I am sorry I do not recall all of the detailed. > What version of jaws are you using? If it is jaws 12 or higher you have > built in OCR and do not need any of this. > Open a PDF, let it load and use your Jaws reading keys. > I am sorry I did not ask the jaws version question befor because that could > save a lot of work. > > Best > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:35 PM, "justin williams" > wrote: > >> How is it doen with open book? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget >> Walker >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's >> >> Hi, >> Open-book is pretty good or other scanning software with built in OCR. >> Or download Zella PDF but that only converts to txt. >> Are you using a PDF reader? Are you using Adobe? >> If I recall Adobe versions nine and up is compatible with jaws 12 and >> up because of the added jaws OCR feature >> >> I hope this helps, >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Kayla Weathers >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible >>> pdf’s to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >>> Thanks, Kayla >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalk >>> e >>> r13%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >> ms2%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalke >> r13%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 01:29:45 2013 From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:29:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: <018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I think Wasif has a good idea of these young professionals being the mentors for the new Mentor-Mentee program that we are beginning this year. Tamika On 6/13/13, Joe wrote: > I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the scope of > the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS still > has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training centers, > disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of a > professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like accessibility > in > the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar fields > such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy > professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still like > signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in protest > to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be > clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to meet > every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs to > be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at > 4:00 > in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less around > 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. Yes, > it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a lot > more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of > divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most > divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me not > want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national > convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave people > like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on the > Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, > enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is because > I > think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. Maybe a > happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, Zunaira > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals as > well > as students. We can all be in the same division. That way mentoring can > take place with ease. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > I would also be interested in having a place to network with other young > professionals. > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" > wrote: > >> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned >> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is >> this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it >> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm >> ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%4 > 0dbs.fldoe.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com > From gpaikens at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 02:29:16 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:29:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: <018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests than most of your student population. That doesn't mean we can't still act as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group better for all involved. I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary, but maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older generations of NFBers who have worked together for decades. Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know convention time is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better. I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be at convention, let's get together. -Greg On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: > I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the scope of > the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS still > has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training centers, > disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of a > professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like accessibility in > the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar fields > such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy > professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still like > signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in protest > to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be > clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to meet > every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs to > be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at 4:00 > in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less around > 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. Yes, > it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a lot > more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of > divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most > divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me not > want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national > convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave people > like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on the > Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, > enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is because I > think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. Maybe a > happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, Zunaira > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals as well > as students. We can all be in the same division. That way mentoring can > take place with ease. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > I would also be interested in having a place to network with other young > professionals. > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" > wrote: > >> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned >> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is >> this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it >> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm >> ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%4 > 0dbs.fldoe.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jun 14 02:50:28 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:50:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com><2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net><018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> greg, I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests than students. Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing accomodations are just some issues that come to mind. So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than expanding nabs. Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some stuff, but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young professionals. I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope you gather and further discuss it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests than most of your student population. That doesn't mean we can't still act as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group better for all involved. I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary, but maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older generations of NFBers who have worked together for decades. Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know convention time is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better. I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be at convention, let's get together. -Greg On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: > I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the scope > of > the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS still > has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training centers, > disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of > a > professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like accessibility > in > the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar > fields > such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy > professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still like > signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in protest > to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be > clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to > meet > every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs to > be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at > 4:00 > in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less around > 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. > Yes, > it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a lot > more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of > divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most > divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me not > want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national > convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave people > like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on the > Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, > enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is because > I > think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. Maybe > a > happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, > Zunaira > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals as > well > as students. We can all be in the same division. That way mentoring can > take place with ease. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > I would also be interested in having a place to network with other young > professionals. > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" > wrote: > >> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned >> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is >> this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it >> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm >> ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%4 > 0dbs.fldoe.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Jun 14 03:01:09 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 03:01:09 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My final Mac question! Message-ID: Hi All! Once I get my Macbook Pro, can I plug my external keyboard into it, or will that not work? I despise keyboards on laptops, because the keys are too close together! Thanks, Joshua From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 03:03:57 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:03:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My final Mac question! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-4556738046934862833@unknownmsgid> Yes, I believe that will work. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:01 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi All! > Once I get my Macbook Pro, can I plug my external keyboard into it, or will that not work? > I despise keyboards on laptops, because the keys are too close together! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 03:05:30 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:05:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: <7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> <7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi , It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a formal division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may be. One option is for young professionals to get together, form a group and plan programming for national convention. Another option is for NABS to appoint a committee for graduate students, young professionals and non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a grad student/young professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the board, but wouldn't have to be). This committee could then plan programming such as conference calls, happy hours or other get-togethers just for "mature" students and those who have recently graduated to network and discuss common issues. I think NABS still has a high school committee and this would be like the other side of that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular NABS programming, but just develop some supplementary programming for mature students. When I was NABS president I was open to the formation of almost any committee as long as there was at least one individual willing to head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting a nontrad committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two individuals are willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board would be comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus on the young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be a great thing. Arielle On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > greg, > I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests than > students. > Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing accomodations > > are just some issues that come to mind. > So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than > expanding nabs. > Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some stuff, > but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young > professionals. > > I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope you > gather and further discuss it. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Aikens > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM > To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests > than most of your student population. That doesn't mean we can't still act > > as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is > enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group better > for all involved. > > I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary, but > > maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one > another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older generations > > of NFBers who have worked together for decades. > > Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to > brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know convention time > > is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better. > > I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the > conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be at > convention, let's get together. > > -Greg > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: > >> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the scope >> of >> the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS >> still >> has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training centers, >> disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of >> >> a >> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like accessibility >> >> in >> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar >> fields >> such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy >> professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still like >> signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in >> protest >> to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be >> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to >> meet >> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs >> to >> be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at >> 4:00 >> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less around >> 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. >> Yes, >> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a >> lot >> more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of >> divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most >> divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me >> not >> want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national >> convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave >> people >> like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on the >> Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, >> enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is because >> >> I >> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. Maybe >> >> a >> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. >> >> Joe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, >> Zunaira >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >> >> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals as >> well >> as students. We can all be in the same division. That way mentoring can >> take place with ease. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >> >> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other young >> professionals. >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned >>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is >>> this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it >>> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%4 >> 0dbs.fldoe.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Jun 14 03:10:11 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 03:10:11 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] My final Mac question! In-Reply-To: <-4556738046934862833@unknownmsgid> References: , <-4556738046934862833@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Awesome! I'm going to try to get to Best Buy tomorrow, or Saturday. I'm tired of Windows! I want to thank John Moore for converting me over to the Mac! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My final Mac question! Yes, I believe that will work. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:01 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi All! > Once I get my Macbook Pro, can I plug my external keyboard into it, or will that not work? > I despise keyboards on laptops, because the keys are too close together! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jun 14 04:15:17 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:15:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks Message-ID: <2D1D07C158BA4848A391DBE04B7B9056@OwnerPC> Hi all, I’m posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are students or recent graduates. But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. I’m finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more experience to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience, confidence, and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I really need for work. I’m finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to support the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these questions. Here they are. As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions which is discouraging. Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and designing documents. So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have barcodes now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients fill out and you read it to enter in data. Is Access accessible? I figured if it’s a short form another person can read me the data. 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers that talk? 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? Thanks. Ashley From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 04:16:21 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:16:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: <7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com><2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net><018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> <7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <008e01ce68b5$eddf3280$c99d9780$@gmail.com> Separate division; but remember, I am a grad student and 34; how should I be included, or should I just simply not bother? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? greg, I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests than students. Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing accomodations are just some issues that come to mind. So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than expanding nabs. Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some stuff, but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young professionals. I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope you gather and further discuss it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests than most of your student population. That doesn't mean we can't still act as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group better for all involved. I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary, but maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older generations of NFBers who have worked together for decades. Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know convention time is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better. I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be at convention, let's get together. -Greg On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: > I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the > scope of the organization that much broader than it already is, and > two, NABS still has to get in the weeds of the philosophy > fundamentals: training centers, disability offices, the importance of > self-advocacy, etc. When I think of a professional organization, I'm > thinking concrete items like accessibility in the workplace, a measure > of mentorship for people working in similar fields such as federal > employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy professionals > to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still like signing > petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in protest to > some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be > clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to > meet every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there > needs to be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I > get up at > 4:00 > in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less > around 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. > Yes, > it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a > lot more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens > of divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to > most divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people > like me not want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to > the national convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does > that leave people like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but > being burned out on the Federation does not mean I think the > organization is a bad one. Anyway, enough babble from me. If I express > these sentiments at all, it is because I think NABS could be in the > position to generate some possibilities. Maybe a happy hour for > professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, > Zunaira > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals > as well as students. We can all be in the same division. That way > mentoring can take place with ease. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg > Aikens > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > I would also be interested in having a place to network with other > young professionals. > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" > > wrote: > >> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned >> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol >> Is this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put >> it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ >> Stephanie >> >> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40g >> m >> ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif > %4 > 0dbs.fldoe.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gm > ail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earth link.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 04:22:42 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:22:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> <7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young professionals" umbrella. Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and the less like traditional school it is. I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what group. If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in the young professional stuff. If you aren't sure, connect with others who do identify themselves that way and see if you fit. -Greg On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi , > > It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for > young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a formal > division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may be. One > option is for young professionals to get together, form a group and > plan programming for national convention. Another option is for NABS > to appoint a committee for graduate students, young professionals and > non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a grad student/young > professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the board, but wouldn't have > to be). This committee could then plan programming such as conference > calls, happy hours or other get-togethers just for "mature" students > and those who have recently graduated to network and discuss common > issues. I think NABS still has a high school committee and this would > be like the other side of that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular > NABS programming, but just develop some supplementary programming for > mature students. When I was NABS president I was open to the formation > of almost any committee as long as there was at least one individual > willing to head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting > a nontrad committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two > individuals are willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board > would be comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus > on the young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be > a great thing. > > Arielle > > On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> greg, >> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests than >> students. >> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing accomodations >> >> are just some issues that come to mind. >> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than >> expanding nabs. >> Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some stuff, >> but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young >> professionals. >> >> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope you >> gather and further discuss it. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg Aikens >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM >> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >> >> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests >> than most of your student population. That doesn't mean we can't still act >> >> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is >> enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group better >> for all involved. >> >> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary, but >> >> maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one >> another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older generations >> >> of NFBers who have worked together for decades. >> >> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to >> brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know convention time >> >> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better. >> >> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the >> conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be at >> convention, let's get together. >> >> -Greg >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: >> >>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the scope >>> of >>> the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS >>> still >>> has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training centers, >>> disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of >>> >>> a >>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like accessibility >>> >>> in >>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar >>> fields >>> such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy >>> professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still like >>> signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in >>> protest >>> to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be >>> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to >>> meet >>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs >>> to >>> be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at >>> 4:00 >>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less around >>> 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. >>> Yes, >>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a >>> lot >>> more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of >>> divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most >>> divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me >>> not >>> want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national >>> convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave >>> people >>> like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on the >>> Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, >>> enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is because >>> >>> I >>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. Maybe >>> >>> a >>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, >>> Zunaira >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>> >>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals as >>> well >>> as students. We can all be in the same division. That way mentoring can >>> take place with ease. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>> >>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other young >>> professionals. >>> >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned >>>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is >>>> this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it >>>> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie >>>> >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm >>>> ail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%4 >>> 0dbs.fldoe.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 04:25:11 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:25:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: <008e01ce68b5$eddf3280$c99d9780$@gmail.com> References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> <7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> <008e01ce68b5$eddf3280$c99d9780$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think what Arielle is saying makes sense. I also think that this group might also benefit from working with the employment committee as well, provided that that committee would be open to that too. I definitely think young professionals would be great mentors to some of the younger NABS students, but I also think that it would be beneficial as well for them to be set up in a group that might draw the attention of some of the other professional divisions and committees. E.G. If someone from a professional division like the computer science, or human services was interested in mentoring a young professional or helping the group out, they would be able to mentor in that way and the mentoring would trickle down from division to division. The young profs would be mentored by older profs who took interest in helping the next generation, (I think some might take time for that and see it as worthwhile even if they're busy and not the most active in their own division), and then those young profs could mentor for NABS. I know I still have a few years of my undergrad to go, but I'd be game for talking about this as well and seeing what could be done because I see merrit in it and think it would be beneficial. If a meeting time is set up for a discussion I will do what I can to be there. On 6/14/13, justin williams wrote: > Separate division; but remember, I am a grad student and 34; how should I > be > included, or should I just simply not bother? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley > Bramlett > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > greg, > I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests than > students. > Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing accomodations > are just some issues that come to mind. > So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than > expanding nabs. > Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some stuff, > but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young > professionals. > > I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope you > gather and further discuss it. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Aikens > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM > To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests > than most of your student population. That doesn't mean we can't still act > as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is > enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group better > for all involved. > > I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary, but > maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one > another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older generations > of NFBers who have worked together for decades. > > Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to > brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know convention > time > is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better. > > I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the > conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be at > convention, let's get together. > > -Greg > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: > >> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the >> scope of the organization that much broader than it already is, and >> two, NABS still has to get in the weeds of the philosophy >> fundamentals: training centers, disability offices, the importance of >> self-advocacy, etc. When I think of a professional organization, I'm >> thinking concrete items like accessibility in the workplace, a measure >> of mentorship for people working in similar fields such as federal >> employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy professionals >> to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still like signing >> petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in protest to >> some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be >> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to >> meet every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there >> needs to be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I >> get up at >> 4:00 >> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less >> around 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter > meeting. >> Yes, >> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a >> lot more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens >> of divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to >> most divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people >> like me not want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to >> the national convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does >> that leave people like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but >> being burned out on the Federation does not mean I think the >> organization is a bad one. Anyway, enough babble from me. If I express >> these sentiments at all, it is because I think NABS could be in the >> position to generate some possibilities. Maybe a happy hour for >> professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. >> >> Joe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, >> Zunaira >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >> >> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals >> as well as students. We can all be in the same division. That way >> mentoring can take place with ease. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg >> Aikens >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >> >> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other >> young professionals. >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned >>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol >>> Is this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put >>> it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ >>> Stephanie >>> >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40g >>> m >>> ail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif >> %4 >> 0dbs.fldoe.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gm >> ail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm >> ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earth > link.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jun 14 04:46:50 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:46:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com><2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net><018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com><7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Greg, wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one degree, but not two. What did you study in grad and undergrad? I assume you're looking for work. Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go to that group. Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to their careers or have a full or part time job while in school. So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and intensiveness of their school studies. Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits into a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing other licensing exams. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young professionals" umbrella. Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and the less like traditional school it is. I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what group. If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in the young professional stuff. If you aren't sure, connect with others who do identify themselves that way and see if you fit. -Greg On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi , > > It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for > young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a formal > division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may be. One > option is for young professionals to get together, form a group and > plan programming for national convention. Another option is for NABS > to appoint a committee for graduate students, young professionals and > non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a grad student/young > professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the board, but wouldn't have > to be). This committee could then plan programming such as conference > calls, happy hours or other get-togethers just for "mature" students > and those who have recently graduated to network and discuss common > issues. I think NABS still has a high school committee and this would > be like the other side of that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular > NABS programming, but just develop some supplementary programming for > mature students. When I was NABS president I was open to the formation > of almost any committee as long as there was at least one individual > willing to head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting > a nontrad committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two > individuals are willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board > would be comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus > on the young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be > a great thing. > > Arielle > > On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> greg, >> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests than >> students. >> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing >> accomodations >> >> are just some issues that come to mind. >> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than >> expanding nabs. >> Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some >> stuff, >> but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young >> professionals. >> >> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope >> you >> gather and further discuss it. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg Aikens >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM >> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >> >> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests >> than most of your student population. That doesn't mean we can't still >> act >> >> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is >> enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group >> better >> for all involved. >> >> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary, >> but >> >> maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one >> another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older >> generations >> >> of NFBers who have worked together for decades. >> >> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to >> brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know convention >> time >> >> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better. >> >> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the >> conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be at >> convention, let's get together. >> >> -Greg >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: >> >>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the scope >>> of >>> the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS >>> still >>> has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training >>> centers, >>> disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think >>> of >>> >>> a >>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like >>> accessibility >>> >>> in >>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar >>> fields >>> such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy >>> professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still >>> like >>> signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in >>> protest >>> to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to >>> be >>> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to >>> meet >>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs >>> to >>> be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at >>> 4:00 >>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less >>> around >>> 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. >>> Yes, >>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a >>> lot >>> more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of >>> divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most >>> divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me >>> not >>> want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national >>> convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave >>> people >>> like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on >>> the >>> Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, >>> enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is >>> because >>> >>> I >>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. >>> Maybe >>> >>> a >>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, >>> Zunaira >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>> >>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals as >>> well >>> as students. We can all be in the same division. That way mentoring >>> can >>> take place with ease. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>> >>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other young >>> professionals. >>> >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned >>>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is >>>> this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it >>>> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie >>>> >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm >>>> ail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%4 >>> 0dbs.fldoe.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 06:32:34 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 02:32:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks In-Reply-To: <2D1D07C158BA4848A391DBE04B7B9056@OwnerPC> References: <2D1D07C158BA4848A391DBE04B7B9056@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley, These are things I wondered myself when I was looking for campus jobs, although obviously you're situation have much more significance. Unfortunately I can't offer much in the way of personal experiences or tips and tricks I've found, but in case you don't know there is an office professionals division which might be another good list to try asking this question on. I would think those people would have ideas and solutions that they have used successfully. Hope you find some solutions, and good luck in the job search. :) On 6/14/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I’m posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are students > or recent graduates. > But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. > I’m finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more experience > to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience, confidence, > and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I > really need for work. > > I’m finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to support > the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. > Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these questions. > Here they are. > As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms > are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. > Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions which > is discouraging. > Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and > designing documents. > So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. > > 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have barcodes > now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? > > I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use > for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. > > > > 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients fill > out and you read it to enter in data. > > Is Access accessible? > > I figured if it’s a short form another person can read me the data. > > > > 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers > that talk? > > > > 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 06:55:54 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 02:55:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks In-Reply-To: References: <2D1D07C158BA4848A391DBE04B7B9056@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <000201ce68cc$37e08080$a7a18180$@gmail.com> What was your college major? Just to give me a better idea of what your skills may be? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:33 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks Ashley, These are things I wondered myself when I was looking for campus jobs, although obviously you're situation have much more significance. Unfortunately I can't offer much in the way of personal experiences or tips and tricks I've found, but in case you don't know there is an office professionals division which might be another good list to try asking this question on. I would think those people would have ideas and solutions that they have used successfully. Hope you find some solutions, and good luck in the job search. :) On 6/14/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are > students or recent graduates. > But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. > I'm finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more > experience to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some > experience, confidence, and networks. I did internships, but few of > them gave me the experience I really need for work. > > I'm finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to > support the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. > Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these questions. > Here they are. > As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading > forms are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. > Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions > which is discouraging. > Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites > and designing documents. > So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. > > 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have > barcodes now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? > > I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could > use for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. > > > > 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients > fill out and you read it to enter in data. > > Is Access accessible? > > I figured if it's a short form another person can read me the data. > > > > 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any > copiers that talk? > > > > 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jun 14 06:58:41 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 02:58:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks In-Reply-To: References: <2D1D07C158BA4848A391DBE04B7B9056@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Kaiti, Ah, well we thought of the same issues. Did you end up finding a suitable campus job you could do? I noticed that much of the student jobs involved working at the reception desks where they did answering questions, answering phones, and performing other light office tasks like handing out papers, making copies, and scheduling appointments. One reason I did not pursue campus employment was because such tasks were visual. It involved lots of paperwork and sometimes you had to check IDS depending on what task you handled. I wish I could have done that work as it would have given me much needed money and experience. Instead, I got my work experience in the summers. Anyway, I'm still thinking of what might work. I already am checking with the office professionals list. Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:32 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks Ashley, These are things I wondered myself when I was looking for campus jobs, although obviously you're situation have much more significance. Unfortunately I can't offer much in the way of personal experiences or tips and tricks I've found, but in case you don't know there is an office professionals division which might be another good list to try asking this question on. I would think those people would have ideas and solutions that they have used successfully. Hope you find some solutions, and good luck in the job search. :) On 6/14/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I’m posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are > students > or recent graduates. > But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. > I’m finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more experience > to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience, > confidence, > and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I > really need for work. > > I’m finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to > support > the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. > Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these questions. > Here they are. > As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms > are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. > Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions > which > is discouraging. > Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and > designing documents. > So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. > > 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have > barcodes > now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? > > I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use > for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. > > > > 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients fill > out and you read it to enter in data. > > Is Access accessible? > > I figured if it’s a short form another person can read me the data. > > > > 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers > that talk? > > > > 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 08:54:53 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 04:54:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks In-Reply-To: References: <2D1D07C158BA4848A391DBE04B7B9056@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, Exactly. I did eventually find a job that isn't too visual. I'm basically gong to supervise one of the computer labs and do some audio editing, but I had those same concerns with a few of the receptionist jobs I applied for. Glad to hear you're using the office professional list. Hopefully they will be able to offer an idea or two. On Friday, June 14, 2013, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Kaiti, > Ah, well we thought of the same issues. > Did you end up finding a suitable campus job you could do? > > I noticed that much of the student jobs involved working at the reception > desks where they did answering questions, answering phones, and performing > other light office tasks like handing out papers, making copies, and > scheduling appointments. > One reason I did not pursue campus employment was because such tasks were > visual. > It involved lots of paperwork and sometimes you had to check IDS depending > on what task you handled. > I wish I could have done that work as it would have given me much needed > money and experience. > Instead, I got my work experience in the summers. > > Anyway, I'm still thinking of what might work. > I already am checking with the office professionals list. > > Thanks. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:32 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks > > Ashley, > > These are things I wondered myself when I was looking for campus jobs, > although obviously you're situation have much more significance. > Unfortunately I can't offer much in the way of personal experiences or > tips and tricks I've found, but in case you don't know there is an > office professionals division which might be another good list to try > asking this question on. I would think those people would have ideas > and solutions that they have used successfully. > > Hope you find some solutions, and good luck in the job search. :) > > On 6/14/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I’m posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are >> students >> or recent graduates. >> But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. >> I’m finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more experience >> to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience, >> confidence, >> and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I >> really need for work. >> >> I’m finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to >> support >> the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. >> Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these questions. >> Here they are. >> As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms >> are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. >> Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions >> which >> is discouraging. >> Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and >> designing documents. >> So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. >> >> 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have >> barcodes >> now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? >> >> I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use >> for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. >> >> >> >> 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients fill >> out and you read it to enter in data. >> >> Is Access accessible? >> >> I figured if it’s a short form another person can read me the data. >> >> >> >> 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers >> that talk? >> >> >> >> 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> Ashley >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** >> org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.**com >> >> > > -- > Kaiti > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.**net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.**com > -- Kaiti From gpaikens at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 11:30:56 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:30:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young professionals division? In-Reply-To: References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com><2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net><018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com><7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, Not to go too far afield from the main topic, but I paid for my degrees mostly with scholarships, grants, assistance ships, and some student loans. The thing about graduate school is that in most fields, you should be able to find a program that will pay for your degree. I have heard some people say that if you are paying to go to grad school, you aren't doing it right. This is mostly true on the masters level and even more so if you are pursuing a Ph.D. This is because on the graduate level, you are engaging in research/sharing some of the teaching load for professors. It is a mutually beneficial arrangement for both parties. This is also the dynamic that makes graduate school more like a career than other levels of education. Also, I graduated last August with a degree in teaching blind students and was extremely fortunate to find a job as a TVI in the Atlanta area within 2 weeks of completing my degree. I just finished my first year as a teacher and it feels wonderful. Woohoo! There is hope after school. :) -Greg On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:46 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Greg, > wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one degree, but not two. > What did you study in grad and undergrad? > I assume you're looking for work. > > Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go to that group. > Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to their careers or have a full or part time job while in school. > So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and intensiveness of their school studies. > Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits into a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing other licensing exams. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young professionals" umbrella. Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and the less like traditional school it is. > > I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what group. If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in the young professional stuff. If you aren't sure, connect with others who do identify themselves that way and see if you fit. > > -Greg > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Hi , >> >> It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for >> young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a formal >> division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may be. One >> option is for young professionals to get together, form a group and >> plan programming for national convention. Another option is for NABS >> to appoint a committee for graduate students, young professionals and >> non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a grad student/young >> professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the board, but wouldn't have >> to be). This committee could then plan programming such as conference >> calls, happy hours or other get-togethers just for "mature" students >> and those who have recently graduated to network and discuss common >> issues. I think NABS still has a high school committee and this would >> be like the other side of that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular >> NABS programming, but just develop some supplementary programming for >> mature students. When I was NABS president I was open to the formation >> of almost any committee as long as there was at least one individual >> willing to head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting >> a nontrad committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two >> individuals are willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board >> would be comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus >> on the young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be >> a great thing. >> >> Arielle >> >> On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> greg, >>> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests than >>> students. >>> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing accomodations >>> >>> are just some issues that come to mind. >>> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than >>> expanding nabs. >>> Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some stuff, >>> but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young >>> professionals. >>> >>> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope you >>> gather and further discuss it. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Greg Aikens >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM >>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>> >>> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests >>> than most of your student population. That doesn't mean we can't still act >>> >>> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is >>> enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group better >>> for all involved. >>> >>> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary, but >>> >>> maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one >>> another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older generations >>> >>> of NFBers who have worked together for decades. >>> >>> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to >>> brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know convention time >>> >>> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better. >>> >>> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the >>> conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be at >>> convention, let's get together. >>> >>> -Greg >>> >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: >>> >>>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the scope >>>> of >>>> the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS >>>> still >>>> has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training centers, >>>> disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of >>>> >>>> a >>>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like accessibility >>>> >>>> in >>>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar >>>> fields >>>> such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy >>>> professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still like >>>> signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in >>>> protest >>>> to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be >>>> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to >>>> meet >>>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs >>>> to >>>> be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at >>>> 4:00 >>>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less around >>>> 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. >>>> Yes, >>>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a >>>> lot >>>> more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of >>>> divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most >>>> divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me >>>> not >>>> want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national >>>> convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave >>>> people >>>> like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on the >>>> Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, >>>> enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is because >>>> >>>> I >>>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. Maybe >>>> >>>> a >>>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, >>>> Zunaira >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>> >>>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals as >>>> well >>>> as students. We can all be in the same division. That way mentoring can >>>> take place with ease. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>> >>>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other young >>>> professionals. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned >>>>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is >>>>> this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it >>>>> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie >>>>> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm >>>>> ail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%4 >>>> 0dbs.fldoe.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 11:36:02 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:36:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young professionals division? In-Reply-To: References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com><2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net><018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com><7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <001901ce68f3$599d5d70$0cd81850$@gmail.com> That is not true with grad school; it depends. The p h d is going to have more funding available. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:31 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young professionals division? Hi Ashley, Not to go too far afield from the main topic, but I paid for my degrees mostly with scholarships, grants, assistance ships, and some student loans. The thing about graduate school is that in most fields, you should be able to find a program that will pay for your degree. I have heard some people say that if you are paying to go to grad school, you aren't doing it right. This is mostly true on the masters level and even more so if you are pursuing a Ph.D. This is because on the graduate level, you are engaging in research/sharing some of the teaching load for professors. It is a mutually beneficial arrangement for both parties. This is also the dynamic that makes graduate school more like a career than other levels of education. Also, I graduated last August with a degree in teaching blind students and was extremely fortunate to find a job as a TVI in the Atlanta area within 2 weeks of completing my degree. I just finished my first year as a teacher and it feels wonderful. Woohoo! There is hope after school. :) -Greg On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:46 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Greg, > wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one degree, but not two. > What did you study in grad and undergrad? > I assume you're looking for work. > > Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go to that group. > Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to their careers or have a full or part time job while in school. > So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and intensiveness of their school studies. > Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits into a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing other licensing exams. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young professionals" umbrella. Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and the less like traditional school it is. > > I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what group. If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in the young professional stuff. If you aren't sure, connect with others who do identify themselves that way and see if you fit. > > -Greg > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Hi , >> >> It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for >> young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a >> formal division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may >> be. One option is for young professionals to get together, form a >> group and plan programming for national convention. Another option is >> for NABS to appoint a committee for graduate students, young >> professionals and non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a >> grad student/young professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the >> board, but wouldn't have to be). This committee could then plan >> programming such as conference calls, happy hours or other >> get-togethers just for "mature" students and those who have recently >> graduated to network and discuss common issues. I think NABS still >> has a high school committee and this would be like the other side of >> that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular NABS programming, but >> just develop some supplementary programming for mature students. When >> I was NABS president I was open to the formation of almost any >> committee as long as there was at least one individual willing to >> head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting a nontrad >> committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two individuals are >> willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board would be >> comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus on the >> young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be a great thing. >> >> Arielle >> >> On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> greg, >>> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests >>> than students. >>> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing >>> accomodations >>> >>> are just some issues that come to mind. >>> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than >>> expanding nabs. >>> Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some >>> stuff, but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and >>> attract young professionals. >>> >>> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I >>> hope you gather and further discuss it. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Greg Aikens >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM >>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students >>> mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>> >>> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and >>> interests than most of your student population. That doesn't mean >>> we can't still act >>> >>> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think >>> there is enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a >>> separate group better for all involved. >>> >>> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be >>> necessary, but >>> >>> maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor >>> one another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older >>> generations >>> >>> of NFBers who have worked together for decades. >>> >>> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this >>> year to brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know >>> convention time >>> >>> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better. >>> >>> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep >>> the conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be >>> at convention, let's get together. >>> >>> -Greg >>> >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: >>> >>>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the >>>> scope of the organization that much broader than it already is, and >>>> two, NABS still has to get in the weeds of the philosophy >>>> fundamentals: training centers, disability offices, the importance >>>> of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of >>>> >>>> a >>>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like >>>> accessibility >>>> >>>> in >>>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in >>>> similar fields such as federal employees, and yes, a means of >>>> enabling otherwise busy professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. >>>> I'm a busy guy but still like signing petitions and calling up >>>> congress people in favor of or in protest to some measure or >>>> another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be clear that >>>> I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to meet >>>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there >>>> needs to be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of >>>> apathy. I get up at >>>> 4:00 >>>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less >>>> around 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. >>>> Yes, >>>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there >>>> is a lot more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are >>>> dozens of divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my >>>> opposition to most divisions in general, but having too many >>>> choices makes people like me not want to participate in any of it. >>>> If I don't make it to the national convention and can't make >>>> Washington Seminar, where does that leave people like me? Perhaps >>>> an alternative organization, but being burned out on the Federation >>>> does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, enough >>>> babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is because >>>> >>>> I >>>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. >>>> Maybe >>>> >>>> a >>>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, >>>> Zunaira >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>> >>>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young >>>> professionals as well as students. We can all be in the same >>>> division. That way mentoring can take place with ease. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg >>>> Aikens >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>> >>>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other >>>> young professionals. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had >>>>> mentioned an NFB young professionals division ..... that it >>>>> doesn't exist lol Is this something people would be interested in? >>>>> Perhaps we can put it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at >>>>> National Convention. ~ Stephanie >>>>> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens% >>>>> 40gm >>>>> ail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wa >>>> sif%4 >>>> 0dbs.fldoe.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%4 >>>> 0gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%4 >>>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb >>> %40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%4 >>> 0gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40g >> mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 11:57:40 2013 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:57:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks In-Reply-To: <2D1D07C158BA4848A391DBE04B7B9056@OwnerPC> References: <2D1D07C158BA4848A391DBE04B7B9056@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, I can answer one of your questions. As a massage therapist I have the client fill out a health history form before their massage. I have the client or one of my co-workers read me what is on the form and I make my own notes on what the client put on their form that way. The form is not that long so I think you could have someone read it to you as long as it is not to long. Hope that helps. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:15 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks Hi all, I'm posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are students or recent graduates. But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. I'm finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more experience to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience, confidence, and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I really need for work. I'm finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to support the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these questions. Here they are. As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions which is discouraging. Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and designing documents. So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have barcodes now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients fill out and you read it to enter in data. Is Access accessible? I figured if it's a short form another person can read me the data. 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers that talk? 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma il.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 12:00:08 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 08:00:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks In-Reply-To: References: <2D1D07C158BA4848A391DBE04B7B9056@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <00b401ce68f6$b7e9cf00$27bd6d00$@gmail.com> Couldn't you get them to help you come up with an electronic form? Let the person read whaever it is and then type their name, or print it out sign it, then scan it back in in pdf. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail LMT Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:58 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks Hi Ashley, I can answer one of your questions. As a massage therapist I have the client fill out a health history form before their massage. I have the client or one of my co-workers read me what is on the form and I make my own notes on what the client put on their form that way. The form is not that long so I think you could have someone read it to you as long as it is not to long. Hope that helps. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:15 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks Hi all, I'm posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are students or recent graduates. But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. I'm finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more experience to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience, confidence, and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I really need for work. I'm finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to support the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these questions. Here they are. As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions which is discouraging. Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and designing documents. So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have barcodes now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients fill out and you read it to enter in data. Is Access accessible? I figured if it's a short form another person can read me the data. 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers that talk? 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Fri Jun 14 14:12:35 2013 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:12:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My final Mac question! In-Reply-To: <-4556738046934862833@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Joshua, You should give the keyboard on the Mac a try, though, because they look pretty close to standard to me. What does Apple say about the size? Be sure to check on the compatibility of the USB keyboard that you use if you go that route, making sure that Apple-specific keys are correctly generated. . Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:03:57 -0500, christopher nusbaum wrote: >Yes, I believe that will work. >Chris Nusbaum >Sent from my iPhone >On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:01 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi All! >> Once I get my Macbook Pro, can I plug my external keyboard into it, or will that not work? >> I despise keyboards on laptops, because the keys are too close together! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 16:30:38 2013 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:30:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: References: <008701ce6864$d97a43d0$8c6ecb70$@gmail.com> <00be01ce6877$79a70930$6cf51b90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, To answer Justin's question, go to File > Open in OpenBook and select the pdf file you would like to open. After the OCR process is complete, you can read the document directly using OpenBook or save the document in a desired format for later reading and editing (Word, text, etc.) by going to File > Save As. Arielle, I'm afraid that you might be stuck with your old KeyWord files. As far as I know, those documents can only be opened using one of the Braille Note products from Humanware; no third-party conversion programs are available. If anyone on this list knows such a product, please do feel free to correct me; I imagine that it might come in very handy for any former Braille Note user. Katie On 6/13/13, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi guys, > I have a slightly related question. Is there any software or Web-based > service that will convert a Keyword Braille file (one generated on a > Braille Note) to text or Word format? I don't have a Braille Note > anymore, but have some old journals and other files I created on a > Braille Note that I'd like to read, but can't because they're in > contracted Braille (Keyword Braille). For that matter, any way to > convert old files created on a Braille Lite 2000? > > Thanks, > Arielle > > On 6/13/13, justin williams wrote: >> I'm using jaws 14, but from what I can see, even if you use the ocr in >> jaws, >> you can only read it; you can't manipulate it in any way. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget >> Walker >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's >> >> The OCR in Openbook which is now built in to jaws 13 is all you need to >> read >> a PDF. >> All this means is when you select the program to open I. You would pick >> Openbook but you do not have to do that anymore because of jaws 13. >> I do not remember how I put Openbook as an option in the programs list >> because it is not a default. >> If you would like more information on features for this software I copied >> a >> link. >> I am sorry I do not recall all of the detailed. >> What version of jaws are you using? If it is jaws 12 or higher you have >> built in OCR and do not need any of this. >> Open a PDF, let it load and use your Jaws reading keys. >> I am sorry I did not ask the jaws version question befor because that >> could >> save a lot of work. >> >> Best >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:35 PM, "justin williams" >> >> wrote: >> >>> How is it doen with open book? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget >>> Walker >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:08 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's >>> >>> Hi, >>> Open-book is pretty good or other scanning software with built in OCR. >>> Or download Zella PDF but that only converts to txt. >>> Are you using a PDF reader? Are you using Adobe? >>> If I recall Adobe versions nine and up is compatible with jaws 12 and >>> up because of the added jaws OCR feature >>> >>> I hope this helps, >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Kayla Weathers >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible >>>> pdf’s to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >>>> Thanks, Kayla >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalk >>>> e >>>> r13%40aol.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>> ms2%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalke >>> r13%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From dburke at cocenter.org Fri Jun 14 16:54:08 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:54:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: References: <008701ce6864$d97a43d0$8c6ecb70$@gmail.com> <00be01ce6877$79a70930$6cf51b90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008801ce691f$cb16ba10$61442e30$@cocenter.org> Ariel, I don't know about the Key Word files, as I haven't ever used that format. However, it may be that what I share about the Braille Lite 2000 may apply. First, if you're in Windows, you may have to change the view settings to show the file extensions. I assume that your Braille Lite files were written in contracted Braille. If they have a .BRF extension or a .BRL extension, they can be converted with Kurzweil 1000 or possibly Open Book. You could also send the .BRF files to robo Braille I believe, and have them converted to text or Word. I'm not as sure as with the .BRL extension files. However, .BRL extensions can simply be changed to .BRF and they'll work. Also, if they don't have any extension at all, just add the .BRF. One problem I noticed when converting in Kurzweil is that the line breaks don't carry over. This means you might lose paragraph breaks HTH Dan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's Hi guys, I have a slightly related question. Is there any software or Web-based service that will convert a Keyword Braille file (one generated on a Braille Note) to text or Word format? I don't have a Braille Note anymore, but have some old journals and other files I created on a Braille Note that I'd like to read, but can't because they're in contracted Braille (Keyword Braille). For that matter, any way to convert old files created on a Braille Lite 2000? Thanks, Arielle On 6/13/13, justin williams wrote: > I'm using jaws 14, but from what I can see, even if you use the ocr in jaws, > you can only read it; you can't manipulate it in any way. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's > > The OCR in Openbook which is now built in to jaws 13 is all you need to read > a PDF. > All this means is when you select the program to open I. You would pick > Openbook but you do not have to do that anymore because of jaws 13. > I do not remember how I put Openbook as an option in the programs list > because it is not a default. > If you would like more information on features for this software I copied a > link. > I am sorry I do not recall all of the detailed. > What version of jaws are you using? If it is jaws 12 or higher you have > built in OCR and do not need any of this. > Open a PDF, let it load and use your Jaws reading keys. > I am sorry I did not ask the jaws version question befor because that could > save a lot of work. > > Best > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:35 PM, "justin williams" > wrote: > >> How is it doen with open book? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget >> Walker >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's >> >> Hi, >> Open-book is pretty good or other scanning software with built in OCR. >> Or download Zella PDF but that only converts to txt. >> Are you using a PDF reader? Are you using Adobe? >> If I recall Adobe versions nine and up is compatible with jaws 12 and >> up because of the added jaws OCR feature >> >> I hope this helps, >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Kayla Weathers >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible >>> pdf's to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >>> Thanks, Kayla >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalk >>> e >>> r13%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >> ms2%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalke >> r13%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.c om > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.o rg From brailleprincess at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 18:13:13 2013 From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:13:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: <008801ce691f$cb16ba10$61442e30$@cocenter.org> References: <008701ce6864$d97a43d0$8c6ecb70$@gmail.com> <00be01ce6877$79a70930$6cf51b90$@gmail.com> <008801ce691f$cb16ba10$61442e30$@cocenter.org> Message-ID: On 6/14/13, Dan Burke wrote: > Ariel, > > I don't know about the Key Word files, as I haven't ever used that format. > However, it may be that what I share about the Braille Lite 2000 may apply. > > First, if you're in Windows, you may have to change the view settings to > show the file extensions. > > I assume that your Braille Lite files were written in contracted Braille. > If they have a .BRF extension or a .BRL extension, they can be converted > with Kurzweil 1000 or possibly Open Book. You could also send the .BRF > files to robo Braille I believe, and have them converted to text or Word. > I'm not as sure as with the .BRL extension files. > > However, .BRL extensions can simply be changed to .BRF and they'll work. > Also, if they don't have any extension at all, just add the .BRF. > > One problem I noticed when converting in Kurzweil is that the line breaks > don't carry over. This means you might lose paragraph breaks > > HTH > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's > > Hi guys, > I have a slightly related question. Is there any software or Web-based > service that will convert a Keyword Braille file (one generated on a > Braille Note) to text or Word format? I don't have a Braille Note > anymore, but have some old journals and other files I created on a > Braille Note that I'd like to read, but can't because they're in > contracted Braille (Keyword Braille). For that matter, any way to > convert old files created on a Braille Lite 2000? > > Thanks, > Arielle > > On 6/13/13, justin williams wrote: >> I'm using jaws 14, but from what I can see, even if you use the ocr in > jaws, >> you can only read it; you can't manipulate it in any way. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget > Walker >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's >> >> The OCR in Openbook which is now built in to jaws 13 is all you need to > read >> a PDF. >> All this means is when you select the program to open I. You would pick >> Openbook but you do not have to do that anymore because of jaws 13. >> I do not remember how I put Openbook as an option in the programs list >> because it is not a default. >> If you would like more information on features for this software I copied > a >> link. >> I am sorry I do not recall all of the detailed. >> What version of jaws are you using? If it is jaws 12 or higher you have >> built in OCR and do not need any of this. >> Open a PDF, let it load and use your Jaws reading keys. >> I am sorry I did not ask the jaws version question befor because that > could >> save a lot of work. >> >> Best >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:35 PM, "justin williams" > >> wrote: >> >>> How is it doen with open book? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget >>> Walker >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:08 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's >>> >>> Hi, >>> Open-book is pretty good or other scanning software with built in OCR. >>> Or download Zella PDF but that only converts to txt. >>> Are you using a PDF reader? Are you using Adobe? >>> If I recall Adobe versions nine and up is compatible with jaws 12 and >>> up because of the added jaws OCR feature >>> >>> I hope this helps, >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Kayla Weathers >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible >>>> pdf's to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >>>> Thanks, Kayla >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalk >>>> e >>>> r13%40aol.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>> ms2%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalke >>> r13%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.c > om >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.o > rg > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brailleprincess%40gmail.com > Arielle, You could try emailing the key word files to convert at robobraille.org as attachments. You can indicate the format by putting the desired file extention in the subject. For example, if you wanted to convert your key word files to word documents you would put doc in the subject line. After emailing the files you will receive them in a converted format. I’m not sure if this will work or not as I’ve never used key word files before, but it’s worth a try. Hope this helps. Kayla From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jun 14 19:00:46 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:00:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: <008801ce691f$cb16ba10$61442e30$@cocenter.org> References: <008701ce6864$d97a43d0$8c6ecb70$@gmail.com><00be01ce6877$79a70930$6cf51b90$@gmail.com> <008801ce691f$cb16ba10$61442e30$@cocenter.org> Message-ID: <6648954487F940DEB32B1ED5217C80D0@OwnerPC> I have old braille n speak files which I'd like to conver too. Dan, does the same technique of converting brf files apply to openbook too? I have that but not kurzweil at home although I have access to kurzweil at my community college. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Burke Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:54 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's Ariel, I don't know about the Key Word files, as I haven't ever used that format. However, it may be that what I share about the Braille Lite 2000 may apply. First, if you're in Windows, you may have to change the view settings to show the file extensions. I assume that your Braille Lite files were written in contracted Braille. If they have a .BRF extension or a .BRL extension, they can be converted with Kurzweil 1000 or possibly Open Book. You could also send the .BRF files to robo Braille I believe, and have them converted to text or Word. I'm not as sure as with the .BRL extension files. However, .BRL extensions can simply be changed to .BRF and they'll work. Also, if they don't have any extension at all, just add the .BRF. One problem I noticed when converting in Kurzweil is that the line breaks don't carry over. This means you might lose paragraph breaks HTH Dan -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's Hi guys, I have a slightly related question. Is there any software or Web-based service that will convert a Keyword Braille file (one generated on a Braille Note) to text or Word format? I don't have a Braille Note anymore, but have some old journals and other files I created on a Braille Note that I'd like to read, but can't because they're in contracted Braille (Keyword Braille). For that matter, any way to convert old files created on a Braille Lite 2000? Thanks, Arielle On 6/13/13, justin williams wrote: > I'm using jaws 14, but from what I can see, even if you use the ocr in jaws, > you can only read it; you can't manipulate it in any way. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's > > The OCR in Openbook which is now built in to jaws 13 is all you need to read > a PDF. > All this means is when you select the program to open I. You would pick > Openbook but you do not have to do that anymore because of jaws 13. > I do not remember how I put Openbook as an option in the programs list > because it is not a default. > If you would like more information on features for this software I copied a > link. > I am sorry I do not recall all of the detailed. > What version of jaws are you using? If it is jaws 12 or higher you have > built in OCR and do not need any of this. > Open a PDF, let it load and use your Jaws reading keys. > I am sorry I did not ask the jaws version question befor because that could > save a lot of work. > > Best > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:35 PM, "justin williams" > wrote: > >> How is it doen with open book? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget >> Walker >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's >> >> Hi, >> Open-book is pretty good or other scanning software with built in OCR. >> Or download Zella PDF but that only converts to txt. >> Are you using a PDF reader? Are you using Adobe? >> If I recall Adobe versions nine and up is compatible with jaws 12 and >> up because of the added jaws OCR feature >> >> I hope this helps, >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Kayla Weathers >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible >>> pdf's to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >>> Thanks, Kayla >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalk >>> e >>> r13%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >> ms2%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalke >> r13%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.c om > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.o rg _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From sjhhirst at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 19:06:58 2013 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 14:06:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 80, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, I'm inclined to agree with Greg and Ashley. I'm finishing my fifth year in PhD studies, and I definitely find myself identifying more with young professionals than say undergraduates or even early graduate students. Also, because a lot of people my age are actually working as young professionals now and have "real" jobs (haha), I see the challenges that they come across all the time. I do think the challenges and needs and concerns of people finishing up their terminal degree and starting their new jobs/ careers are *quite* different than those of the majority of people in NABS. It's not that I have anything against NABS; I think it's awesome. However, I think there is a legitimate argument for a separate division. Perhaps what we could do is start it out as a committee / subdivision of NABS to start. Then, as time goes on and the section grows,hopefully, we can look into making it a full division? Another issue is that some NFB members, especially older members who are just starting out in a job / career may not join the Young Professionals section because it's a part of NABS. Some key points I think the Young Professionals division / committee / section, whatever could address: 1. explore career options given your training 2. Job searching, resume/CV writing, interview skills, etc. 3. contract negotiation once you get a job offer 4. moving, transitioning to new location, making friends and having a life when all you do is work 5. networking! i.e., LinkedIn 6. liaison between various NFB career divisions and EPS 7. living independently (many people will be moving out of dorms and living on their own for the first time) 8. mentoring students who are going through what you went through before 9. making the most of your work environment, being assertive, getting the things you need to be successful in your job 10. trying to advance in your job / career I'm going to be at the National Convention... going to be there July 1-6. I'm not entirely sure of my availability yet since I still need to work that out. However, I'd love to get together with people and talk about this. If you are also interested, email me at sjhhirst at gmail.com In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: young professionals division? (Greg Aikens) > 2. Re: young professionals division? (Kaiti Shelton) > 3. Re: young professionals division? (Ashley Bramlett) > 4. Re: office tasks (Kaiti Shelton) > 5. Re: office tasks (justin williams) > 6. Re: office tasks (Ashley Bramlett) > 7. Re: office tasks (Kaiti Shelton) > 8. Re: funding graduate school, was: young professionals > division? (Greg Aikens) > 9. Re: funding graduate school, was: young professionals > division? (justin williams) > 10. Re: office tasks (Rania Ismail LMT) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:22:42 -0400 > From: Greg Aikens > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young > professionals" umbrella. Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my > experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and > the less like traditional school it is. > > I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what > group. If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in > the young professional stuff. If you aren't sure, connect with others who > do identify themselves that way and see if you fit. > > -Greg > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman > wrote: > > > Hi , > > > > It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for > > young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a formal > > division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may be. One > > option is for young professionals to get together, form a group and > > plan programming for national convention. Another option is for NABS > > to appoint a committee for graduate students, young professionals and > > non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a grad student/young > > professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the board, but wouldn't have > > to be). This committee could then plan programming such as conference > > calls, happy hours or other get-togethers just for "mature" students > > and those who have recently graduated to network and discuss common > > issues. I think NABS still has a high school committee and this would > > be like the other side of that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular > > NABS programming, but just develop some supplementary programming for > > mature students. When I was NABS president I was open to the formation > > of almost any committee as long as there was at least one individual > > willing to head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting > > a nontrad committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two > > individuals are willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board > > would be comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus > > on the young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be > > a great thing. > > > > Arielle > > > > On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> greg, > >> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests > than > >> students. > >> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing > accomodations > >> > >> are just some issues that come to mind. > >> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than > >> expanding nabs. > >> Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some > stuff, > >> but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young > >> professionals. > >> > >> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope > you > >> gather and further discuss it. > >> > >> Ashley > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Greg Aikens > >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM > >> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >> > >> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests > >> than most of your student population. That doesn't mean we can't still > act > >> > >> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is > >> enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group > better > >> for all involved. > >> > >> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary, > but > >> > >> maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one > >> another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older > generations > >> > >> of NFBers who have worked together for decades. > >> > >> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to > >> brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know convention > time > >> > >> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better. > >> > >> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the > >> conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be at > >> convention, let's get together. > >> > >> -Greg > >> > >> > >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: > >> > >>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the > scope > >>> of > >>> the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS > >>> still > >>> has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training > centers, > >>> disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think > of > >>> > >>> a > >>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like > accessibility > >>> > >>> in > >>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar > >>> fields > >>> such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy > >>> professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still > like > >>> signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in > >>> protest > >>> to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to > be > >>> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to > >>> meet > >>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs > >>> to > >>> be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at > >>> 4:00 > >>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less > around > >>> 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. > >>> Yes, > >>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a > >>> lot > >>> more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of > >>> divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most > >>> divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me > >>> not > >>> want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national > >>> convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave > >>> people > >>> like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on > the > >>> Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, > >>> enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is > because > >>> > >>> I > >>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. > Maybe > >>> > >>> a > >>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. > >>> > >>> Joe > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, > >>> Zunaira > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >>> > >>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals as > >>> well > >>> as students. We can all be in the same division. That way mentoring > can > >>> take place with ease. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg > Aikens > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >>> > >>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other > young > >>> professionals. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" < > sjhhirst at gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned > >>>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is > >>>> this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it > >>>> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie > >>>> > >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > >>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm > >>>> ail.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%4 > >>> 0dbs.fldoe.org > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.co > >>> m > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:25:11 -0400 > From: Kaiti Shelton > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > Message-ID: > < > CAFja7FYOhrzJLDdcs3FO+JAN8Sv7iL7r_njYi31_tnNDvsw24Q at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I think what Arielle is saying makes sense. I also think that this > group might also benefit from working with the employment committee as > well, provided that that committee would be open to that too. I > definitely think young professionals would be great mentors to some of > the younger NABS students, but I also think that it would be > beneficial as well for them to be set up in a group that might draw > the attention of some of the other professional divisions and > committees. E.G. If someone from a professional division like the > computer science, or human services was interested in mentoring a > young professional or helping the group out, they would be able to > mentor in that way and the mentoring would trickle down from division > to division. The young profs would be mentored by older profs who > took interest in helping the next generation, (I think some might take > time for that and see it as worthwhile even if they're busy and not > the most active in their own division), and then those young profs > could mentor for NABS. > > I know I still have a few years of my undergrad to go, but I'd be game > for talking about this as well and seeing what could be done because I > see merrit in it and think it would be beneficial. If a meeting time > is set up for a discussion I will do what I can to be there. > > > On 6/14/13, justin williams wrote: > > Separate division; but remember, I am a grad student and 34; how should I > > be > > included, or should I just simply not bother? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley > > Bramlett > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:50 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > > > greg, > > I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests than > > students. > > Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing > accomodations > > are just some issues that come to mind. > > So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than > > expanding nabs. > > Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some > stuff, > > but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young > > professionals. > > > > I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope > you > > gather and further discuss it. > > > > Ashley > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Aikens > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM > > To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > > > I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests > > than most of your student population. That doesn't mean we can't still > act > > as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is > > enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group > better > > for all involved. > > > > I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary, > but > > maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one > > another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older > generations > > of NFBers who have worked together for decades. > > > > Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to > > brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know convention > > time > > is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better. > > > > I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the > > conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be at > > convention, let's get together. > > > > -Greg > > > > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: > > > >> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the > >> scope of the organization that much broader than it already is, and > >> two, NABS still has to get in the weeds of the philosophy > >> fundamentals: training centers, disability offices, the importance of > >> self-advocacy, etc. When I think of a professional organization, I'm > >> thinking concrete items like accessibility in the workplace, a measure > >> of mentorship for people working in similar fields such as federal > >> employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy professionals > >> to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still like signing > >> petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in protest to > >> some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be > >> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to > >> meet every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there > >> needs to be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I > >> get up at > >> 4:00 > >> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less > >> around 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter > > meeting. > >> Yes, > >> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a > >> lot more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens > >> of divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to > >> most divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people > >> like me not want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to > >> the national convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does > >> that leave people like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but > >> being burned out on the Federation does not mean I think the > >> organization is a bad one. Anyway, enough babble from me. If I express > >> these sentiments at all, it is because I think NABS could be in the > >> position to generate some possibilities. Maybe a happy hour for > >> professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, > >> Zunaira > >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >> > >> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals > >> as well as students. We can all be in the same division. That way > >> mentoring can take place with ease. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg > >> Aikens > >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >> > >> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other > >> young professionals. > >> > >> > >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned > >>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol > >>> Is this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put > >>> it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ > >>> Stephanie > >>> > >>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > >>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40g > >>> m > >>> ail.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif > >> %4 > >> 0dbs.fldoe.org > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gm > >> ail.co > >> m > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm > >> ail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earth > > link.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > > gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Kaiti > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:46:50 -0400 > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Greg, > wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one > degree, but not two. > What did you study in grad and undergrad? > I assume you're looking for work. > > Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go to > that group. > Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to their > careers or have a full or part time job while in school. > So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and > intensiveness > of their school studies. > Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits into > a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that > professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing > other licensing exams. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Aikens > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young > professionals" umbrella. Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my > experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and > the less like traditional school it is. > > I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what > group. If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in > the young professional stuff. If you aren't sure, connect with others who > do identify themselves that way and see if you fit. > > -Greg > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman > wrote: > > > Hi , > > > > It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for > > young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a formal > > division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may be. One > > option is for young professionals to get together, form a group and > > plan programming for national convention. Another option is for NABS > > to appoint a committee for graduate students, young professionals and > > non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a grad student/young > > professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the board, but wouldn't have > > to be). This committee could then plan programming such as conference > > calls, happy hours or other get-togethers just for "mature" students > > and those who have recently graduated to network and discuss common > > issues. I think NABS still has a high school committee and this would > > be like the other side of that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular > > NABS programming, but just develop some supplementary programming for > > mature students. When I was NABS president I was open to the formation > > of almost any committee as long as there was at least one individual > > willing to head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting > > a nontrad committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two > > individuals are willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board > > would be comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus > > on the young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be > > a great thing. > > > > Arielle > > > > On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> greg, > >> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests > than > >> students. > >> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing > >> accomodations > >> > >> are just some issues that come to mind. > >> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than > >> expanding nabs. > >> Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some > >> stuff, > >> but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young > >> professionals. > >> > >> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope > >> you > >> gather and further discuss it. > >> > >> Ashley > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Greg Aikens > >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM > >> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > >> list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >> > >> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests > >> than most of your student population. That doesn't mean we can't still > >> act > >> > >> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is > >> enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group > >> better > >> for all involved. > >> > >> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary, > >> but > >> > >> maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one > >> another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older > >> generations > >> > >> of NFBers who have worked together for decades. > >> > >> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to > >> brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know convention > >> time > >> > >> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better. > >> > >> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the > >> conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be at > >> convention, let's get together. > >> > >> -Greg > >> > >> > >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: > >> > >>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the > scope > >>> of > >>> the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS > >>> still > >>> has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training > >>> centers, > >>> disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think > >>> of > >>> > >>> a > >>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like > >>> accessibility > >>> > >>> in > >>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar > >>> fields > >>> such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy > >>> professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still > >>> like > >>> signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in > >>> protest > >>> to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to > >>> be > >>> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to > >>> meet > >>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs > >>> to > >>> be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at > >>> 4:00 > >>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less > >>> around > >>> 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. > >>> Yes, > >>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a > >>> lot > >>> more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of > >>> divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most > >>> divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me > >>> not > >>> want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national > >>> convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave > >>> people > >>> like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on > >>> the > >>> Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, > >>> enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is > >>> because > >>> > >>> I > >>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. > >>> Maybe > >>> > >>> a > >>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. > >>> > >>> Joe > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, > >>> Zunaira > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >>> > >>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals as > >>> well > >>> as students. We can all be in the same division. That way mentoring > >>> can > >>> take place with ease. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg > Aikens > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >>> > >>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other > young > >>> professionals. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" < > sjhhirst at gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned > >>>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is > >>>> this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it > >>>> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie > >>>> > >>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > >>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm > >>>> ail.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%4 > >>> 0dbs.fldoe.org > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.co > >>> m > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 02:32:34 -0400 > From: Kaiti Shelton > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks > Message-ID: > jWx7eOLx7H+XPLSyKxtrmEGafyEvZQw at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Ashley, > > These are things I wondered myself when I was looking for campus jobs, > although obviously you're situation have much more significance. > Unfortunately I can't offer much in the way of personal experiences or > tips and tricks I've found, but in case you don't know there is an > office professionals division which might be another good list to try > asking this question on. I would think those people would have ideas > and solutions that they have used successfully. > > Hope you find some solutions, and good luck in the job search. :) > > On 6/14/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I?m posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are > students > > or recent graduates. > > But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. > > I?m finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more > experience > > to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience, > confidence, > > and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I > > really need for work. > > > > I?m finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to > support > > the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. > > Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these > questions. > > Here they are. > > As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms > > are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. > > Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions > which > > is discouraging. > > Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and > > designing documents. > > So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. > > > > 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have > barcodes > > now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? > > > > I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use > > for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. > > > > > > > > 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients > fill > > out and you read it to enter in data. > > > > Is Access accessible? > > > > I figured if it?s a short form another person can read me the data. > > > > > > > > 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers > > that talk? > > > > > > > > 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Kaiti > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 02:55:54 -0400 > From: "justin williams" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks > Message-ID: <000201ce68cc$37e08080$a7a18180$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > What was your college major? Just to give me a better idea of what your > skills may be? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:33 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks > > Ashley, > > These are things I wondered myself when I was looking for campus jobs, > although obviously you're situation have much more significance. > Unfortunately I can't offer much in the way of personal experiences or tips > and tricks I've found, but in case you don't know there is an office > professionals division which might be another good list to try asking this > question on. I would think those people would have ideas and solutions > that > they have used successfully. > > Hope you find some solutions, and good luck in the job search. :) > > On 6/14/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are > > students or recent graduates. > > But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. > > I'm finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more > > experience to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some > > experience, confidence, and networks. I did internships, but few of > > them gave me the experience I really need for work. > > > > I'm finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to > > support the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. > > Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these > questions. > > Here they are. > > As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading > > forms are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. > > Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions > > which is discouraging. > > Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites > > and designing documents. > > So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. > > > > 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have > > barcodes now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some > kind? > > > > I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could > > use for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. > > > > > > > > 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients > > fill out and you read it to enter in data. > > > > Is Access accessible? > > > > I figured if it's a short form another person can read me the data. > > > > > > > > 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any > > copiers that talk? > > > > > > > > 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > > t104%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 02:58:41 -0400 > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > > Kaiti, > Ah, well we thought of the same issues. > Did you end up finding a suitable campus job you could do? > > I noticed that much of the student jobs involved working at the reception > desks where they did answering questions, answering phones, and performing > other light office tasks like handing out papers, making copies, and > scheduling appointments. > One reason I did not pursue campus employment was because such tasks were > visual. > It involved lots of paperwork and sometimes you had to check IDS depending > on what task you handled. > I wish I could have done that work as it would have given me much needed > money and experience. > Instead, I got my work experience in the summers. > > Anyway, I'm still thinking of what might work. > I already am checking with the office professionals list. > > Thanks. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:32 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks > > Ashley, > > These are things I wondered myself when I was looking for campus jobs, > although obviously you're situation have much more significance. > Unfortunately I can't offer much in the way of personal experiences or > tips and tricks I've found, but in case you don't know there is an > office professionals division which might be another good list to try > asking this question on. I would think those people would have ideas > and solutions that they have used successfully. > > Hope you find some solutions, and good luck in the job search. :) > > On 6/14/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I?m posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are > > students > > or recent graduates. > > But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. > > I?m finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more > experience > > to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience, > > confidence, > > and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I > > really need for work. > > > > I?m finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to > > support > > the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. > > Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these > questions. > > Here they are. > > As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms > > are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. > > Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions > > which > > is discouraging. > > Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and > > designing documents. > > So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. > > > > 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have > > barcodes > > now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? > > > > I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use > > for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. > > > > > > > > 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients > fill > > out and you read it to enter in data. > > > > Is Access accessible? > > > > I figured if it?s a short form another person can read me the data. > > > > > > > > 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers > > that talk? > > > > > > > > 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 04:54:53 -0400 > From: Kaiti Shelton > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks > Message-ID: > 1MNhRCOFmhr0ntDvKaWbYi69w at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Hi Ashley, > > Exactly. I did eventually find a job that isn't too visual. I'm basically > gong to supervise one of the computer labs and do some audio editing, but I > had those same concerns with a few of the receptionist jobs I applied for. > > Glad to hear you're using the office professional list. Hopefully they will > be able to offer an idea or two. > > On Friday, June 14, 2013, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > > Kaiti, > > Ah, well we thought of the same issues. > > Did you end up finding a suitable campus job you could do? > > > > I noticed that much of the student jobs involved working at the reception > > desks where they did answering questions, answering phones, and > performing > > other light office tasks like handing out papers, making copies, and > > scheduling appointments. > > One reason I did not pursue campus employment was because such tasks were > > visual. > > It involved lots of paperwork and sometimes you had to check IDS > depending > > on what task you handled. > > I wish I could have done that work as it would have given me much needed > > money and experience. > > Instead, I got my work experience in the summers. > > > > Anyway, I'm still thinking of what might work. > > I already am checking with the office professionals list. > > > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:32 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks > > > > Ashley, > > > > These are things I wondered myself when I was looking for campus jobs, > > although obviously you're situation have much more significance. > > Unfortunately I can't offer much in the way of personal experiences or > > tips and tricks I've found, but in case you don't know there is an > > office professionals division which might be another good list to try > > asking this question on. I would think those people would have ideas > > and solutions that they have used successfully. > > > > Hope you find some solutions, and good luck in the job search. :) > > > > On 6/14/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I?m posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are > >> students > >> or recent graduates. > >> But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. > >> I?m finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more > experience > >> to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience, > >> confidence, > >> and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience > I > >> really need for work. > >> > >> I?m finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to > >> support > >> the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. > >> Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these > questions. > >> Here they are. > >> As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading > forms > >> are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. > >> Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions > >> which > >> is discouraging. > >> Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and > >> designing documents. > >> So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. > >> > >> 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have > >> barcodes > >> now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? > >> > >> I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could > use > >> for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. > >> > >> > >> > >> 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients > fill > >> out and you read it to enter in data. > >> > >> Is Access accessible? > >> > >> I figured if it?s a short form another person can read me the data. > >> > >> > >> > >> 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers > >> that talk? > >> > >> > >> > >> 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> > >> > >> Ashley > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org< > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > >> org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.**com< > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > > > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Kaiti > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org< > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > > org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.**net< > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org< > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > > org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.**com< > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > > > > > > > -- > Kaiti > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:30:56 -0400 > From: Greg Aikens > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young > professionals division? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Ashley, > Not to go too far afield from the main topic, but I paid for my degrees > mostly with scholarships, grants, assistance ships, and some student loans. > The thing about graduate school is that in most fields, you should be able > to find a program that will pay for your degree. I have heard some people > say that if you are paying to go to grad school, you aren't doing it right. > This is mostly true on the masters level and even more so if you are > pursuing a Ph.D. This is because on the graduate level, you are engaging > in research/sharing some of the teaching load for professors. It is a > mutually beneficial arrangement for both parties. This is also the dynamic > that makes graduate school more like a career than other levels of > education. > > Also, I graduated last August with a degree in teaching blind students and > was extremely fortunate to find a job as a TVI in the Atlanta area within 2 > weeks of completing my degree. I just finished my first year as a teacher > and it feels wonderful. Woohoo! There is hope after school. :) > > -Greg > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:46 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" > wrote: > > > Greg, > > wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one > degree, but not two. > > What did you study in grad and undergrad? > > I assume you're looking for work. > > > > Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go > to that group. > > Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to > their careers or have a full or part time job while in school. > > So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and > intensiveness of their school studies. > > Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits > into a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that > professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing > other licensing exams. > > > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > > > I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young > professionals" umbrella. Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my > experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and > the less like traditional school it is. > > > > I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what > group. If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in > the young professional stuff. If you aren't sure, connect with others who > do identify themselves that way and see if you fit. > > > > -Greg > > > > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman > wrote: > > > >> Hi , > >> > >> It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for > >> young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a formal > >> division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may be. One > >> option is for young professionals to get together, form a group and > >> plan programming for national convention. Another option is for NABS > >> to appoint a committee for graduate students, young professionals and > >> non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a grad student/young > >> professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the board, but wouldn't have > >> to be). This committee could then plan programming such as conference > >> calls, happy hours or other get-togethers just for "mature" students > >> and those who have recently graduated to network and discuss common > >> issues. I think NABS still has a high school committee and this would > >> be like the other side of that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular > >> NABS programming, but just develop some supplementary programming for > >> mature students. When I was NABS president I was open to the formation > >> of almost any committee as long as there was at least one individual > >> willing to head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting > >> a nontrad committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two > >> individuals are willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board > >> would be comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus > >> on the young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be > >> a great thing. > >> > >> Arielle > >> > >> On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >>> greg, > >>> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests > than > >>> students. > >>> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing > accomodations > >>> > >>> are just some issues that come to mind. > >>> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than > >>> expanding nabs. > >>> Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some > stuff, > >>> but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract > young > >>> professionals. > >>> > >>> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope > you > >>> gather and further discuss it. > >>> > >>> Ashley > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Greg Aikens > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM > >>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students > mailing > >>> list > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >>> > >>> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and > interests > >>> than most of your student population. That doesn't mean we can't > still act > >>> > >>> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there > is > >>> enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group > better > >>> for all involved. > >>> > >>> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be > necessary, but > >>> > >>> maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one > >>> another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older > generations > >>> > >>> of NFBers who have worked together for decades. > >>> > >>> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year > to > >>> brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know > convention time > >>> > >>> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be > better. > >>> > >>> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the > >>> conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be at > >>> convention, let's get together. > >>> > >>> -Greg > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: > >>> > >>>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the > scope > >>>> of > >>>> the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS > >>>> still > >>>> has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training > centers, > >>>> disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I > think of > >>>> > >>>> a > >>>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like > accessibility > >>>> > >>>> in > >>>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar > >>>> fields > >>>> such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy > >>>> professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still > like > >>>> signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in > >>>> protest > >>>> to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want > to be > >>>> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to > >>>> meet > >>>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there > needs > >>>> to > >>>> be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up > at > >>>> 4:00 > >>>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less > around > >>>> 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. > >>>> Yes, > >>>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a > >>>> lot > >>>> more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of > >>>> divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to > most > >>>> divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me > >>>> not > >>>> want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national > >>>> convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave > >>>> people > >>>> like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on > the > >>>> Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. > Anyway, > >>>> enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is > because > >>>> > >>>> I > >>>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. > Maybe > >>>> > >>>> a > >>>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. > >>>> > >>>> Joe > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, > >>>> Zunaira > >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM > >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >>>> > >>>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals > as > >>>> well > >>>> as students. We can all be in the same division. That way mentoring > can > >>>> take place with ease. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg > Aikens > >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM > >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >>>> > >>>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other > young > >>>> professionals. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" < > sjhhirst at gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned > >>>>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol > Is > >>>>> this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it > >>>>> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ > Stephanie > >>>>> > >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm > >>>>> ail.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%4 > >>>> 0dbs.fldoe.org > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.co > >>>> m > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > >> > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:36:02 -0400 > From: "justin williams" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young > professionals division? > Message-ID: <001901ce68f3$599d5d70$0cd81850$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That is not true with grad school; it depends. The p h d is going to have > more funding available. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:31 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young professionals > division? > > Hi Ashley, > Not to go too far afield from the main topic, but I paid for my degrees > mostly with scholarships, grants, assistance ships, and some student loans. > The thing about graduate school is that in most fields, you should be able > to find a program that will pay for your degree. I have heard some people > say that if you are paying to go to grad school, you aren't doing it right. > This is mostly true on the masters level and even more so if you are > pursuing a Ph.D. This is because on the graduate level, you are engaging > in > research/sharing some of the teaching load for professors. It is a > mutually > beneficial arrangement for both parties. This is also the dynamic that > makes graduate school more like a career than other levels of education. > > Also, I graduated last August with a degree in teaching blind students and > was extremely fortunate to find a job as a TVI in the Atlanta area within 2 > weeks of completing my degree. I just finished my first year as a teacher > and it feels wonderful. Woohoo! There is hope after school. :) > > -Greg > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:46 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" > > wrote: > > > Greg, > > wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one > degree, but not two. > > What did you study in grad and undergrad? > > I assume you're looking for work. > > > > Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go > to > that group. > > Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to their > careers or have a full or part time job while in school. > > So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and > intensiveness of their school studies. > > Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits > into a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that > professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing > other licensing exams. > > > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens > > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > > > I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young > professionals" umbrella. Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my > experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and > the less like traditional school it is. > > > > I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what > group. If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in > the young professional stuff. If you aren't sure, connect with others who > do identify themselves that way and see if you fit. > > > > -Greg > > > > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman > wrote: > > > >> Hi , > >> > >> It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for > >> young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a > >> formal division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may > >> be. One option is for young professionals to get together, form a > >> group and plan programming for national convention. Another option is > >> for NABS to appoint a committee for graduate students, young > >> professionals and non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a > >> grad student/young professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the > >> board, but wouldn't have to be). This committee could then plan > >> programming such as conference calls, happy hours or other > >> get-togethers just for "mature" students and those who have recently > >> graduated to network and discuss common issues. I think NABS still > >> has a high school committee and this would be like the other side of > >> that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular NABS programming, but > >> just develop some supplementary programming for mature students. When > >> I was NABS president I was open to the formation of almost any > >> committee as long as there was at least one individual willing to > >> head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting a nontrad > >> committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two individuals are > >> willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board would be > >> comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus on the > >> young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be a great > thing. > >> > >> Arielle > >> > >> On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >>> greg, > >>> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests > >>> than students. > >>> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing > >>> accomodations > >>> > >>> are just some issues that come to mind. > >>> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than > >>> expanding nabs. > >>> Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some > >>> stuff, but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and > >>> attract young professionals. > >>> > >>> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I > >>> hope you gather and further discuss it. > >>> > >>> Ashley > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Greg Aikens > >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM > >>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students > >>> mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >>> > >>> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and > >>> interests than most of your student population. That doesn't mean > >>> we can't still act > >>> > >>> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think > >>> there is enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a > >>> separate group better for all involved. > >>> > >>> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be > >>> necessary, but > >>> > >>> maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor > >>> one another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older > >>> generations > >>> > >>> of NFBers who have worked together for decades. > >>> > >>> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this > >>> year to brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know > >>> convention time > >>> > >>> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be > better. > >>> > >>> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep > >>> the conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be > >>> at convention, let's get together. > >>> > >>> -Greg > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: > >>> > >>>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the > >>>> scope of the organization that much broader than it already is, and > >>>> two, NABS still has to get in the weeds of the philosophy > >>>> fundamentals: training centers, disability offices, the importance > >>>> of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of > >>>> > >>>> a > >>>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like > >>>> accessibility > >>>> > >>>> in > >>>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in > >>>> similar fields such as federal employees, and yes, a means of > >>>> enabling otherwise busy professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. > >>>> I'm a busy guy but still like signing petitions and calling up > >>>> congress people in favor of or in protest to some measure or > >>>> another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be clear that > >>>> I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to meet > >>>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there > >>>> needs to be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of > >>>> apathy. I get up at > >>>> 4:00 > >>>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less > >>>> around 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter > meeting. > >>>> Yes, > >>>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there > >>>> is a lot more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are > >>>> dozens of divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my > >>>> opposition to most divisions in general, but having too many > >>>> choices makes people like me not want to participate in any of it. > >>>> If I don't make it to the national convention and can't make > >>>> Washington Seminar, where does that leave people like me? Perhaps > >>>> an alternative organization, but being burned out on the Federation > >>>> does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, enough > >>>> babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is because > >>>> > >>>> I > >>>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. > >>>> Maybe > >>>> > >>>> a > >>>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. > >>>> > >>>> Joe > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, > >>>> Zunaira > >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM > >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >>>> > >>>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young > >>>> professionals as well as students. We can all be in the same > >>>> division. That way mentoring can take place with ease. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg > >>>> Aikens > >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM > >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > >>>> > >>>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other > >>>> young professionals. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" > >>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had > >>>>> mentioned an NFB young professionals division ..... that it > >>>>> doesn't exist lol Is this something people would be interested in? > >>>>> Perhaps we can put it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at > >>>>> National Convention. ~ Stephanie > >>>>> > >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens% > >>>>> 40gm > >>>>> ail.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wa > >>>> sif%4 > >>>> 0dbs.fldoe.org > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%4 > >>>> 0gmail.co > >>>> m > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%4 > >>>> 0gmail.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb > >>> %40earthlink.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%4 > >>> 0gmail.com > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40g > >> mail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > > 0earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm > > ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:57:40 -0400 > From: "Rania Ismail LMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Ashley, > I can answer one of your questions. > As a massage therapist I have the client fill out a health history form > before their massage. > I have the client or one of my co-workers read me what is on the form and I > make my own notes on what the client put on their form that way. > The form is not that long so I think you could have someone read it to you > as long as it is not to long. > Hope that helps. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley > Bramlett > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:15 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks > > Hi all, > > I'm posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are > students > or recent graduates. > But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. > I'm finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more experience > to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience, > confidence, > and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I > really need for work. > > I'm finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to > support > the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. > Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these questions. > Here they are. > As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms > are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. > Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions which > is discouraging. > Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and > designing documents. > So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. > > 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have barcodes > now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? > > I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use > for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. > > > > 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients fill > out and you read it to enter in data. > > Is Access accessible? > > I figured if it's a short form another person can read me the data. > > > > 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers > that talk? > > > > 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma > il.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 80, Issue 15 > ************************************** > From robin-melvin at comcast.net Fri Jun 14 19:46:02 2013 From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 12:46:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Theft & SMART Phones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130614123605.0a46f420@comcast.net> Hello, I came across this news story about numerous iPhone thefts in the Bay Area of Northern California, and it reported that these thefts are perpetrated on vulnerable people. The people, who are targeted are women, and I am curious if anyone takes special precautions when using their SMART Phone out in public. Sent From Robin M. From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Jun 14 20:03:32 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:03:32 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Theft & SMART Phones In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130614123605.0a46f420@comcast.net> References: , <7.0.1.0.2.20130614123605.0a46f420@comcast.net> Message-ID: The disabled are also vulnerable. I never use my cell phone in public. I keep it on me, but I don't show it off. BTW, my phone is a Tracfone, so noone would want it! There are some tips I'll give you to prevent this kind of thing. #1. If someone asks if they can use your phone, tell them no! #2. Tell them that if they want you to call someone for them, that you will, but never hand them your phone. Vulnerability doesn't discriminate! I know the article says that women are vulnerable, but for us blind folks, (for example,) men can be vulnerable too, especially since we're not able to see the intruder. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Robin [robin-melvin at comcast.net] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Theft & SMART Phones Hello, I came across this news story about numerous iPhone thefts in the Bay Area of Northern California, and it reported that these thefts are perpetrated on vulnerable people. The people, who are targeted are women, and I am curious if anyone takes special precautions when using their SMART Phone out in public. Sent From Robin M. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 20:12:09 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:12:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Theft & SMART Phones In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20130614123605.0a46f420@comcast.net> Message-ID: I agree with Joshua on this. If someone asks to borrow your cell phone, *never* agree. I don't let my iPhone get used by anyone except close family and friends, and those times are rare, because sometimes settings get changed or something I don't want happens. But I do bring my iPhone out in public; I play games on it occasionally. In busy areas, I might put ear buds in and listen to a book with my iPhone in my pocket. That's the other thing. I always keep my phone in the same pocket no matter what pants or capris I'm wearing, so I am used to the feel of it there and know if it's not there. My two cents, Jewel On 6/14/13, Joshua Lester wrote: > The disabled are also vulnerable. > I never use my cell phone in public. > I keep it on me, but I don't show it off. > BTW, my phone is a Tracfone, so noone would want it! > There are some tips I'll give you to prevent this kind of thing. > #1. If someone asks if they can use your phone, tell them no! > #2. Tell them that if they want you to call someone for them, that you will, > but never hand them your phone. > Vulnerability doesn't discriminate! > I know the article says that women are vulnerable, but for us blind folks, > (for example,) men can be vulnerable too, especially since we're not able to > see the intruder. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Robin > [robin-melvin at comcast.net] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:46 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Theft & SMART Phones > > Hello, > > I came across this news story about numerous iPhone thefts in the Bay > Area of Northern California, and it reported that these thefts are > perpetrated on vulnerable people. The people, who are targeted are > women, and I am curious if anyone takes special precautions when > using their SMART Phone out in public. > > Sent From Robin M. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From MRiccobono at nfb.org Fri Jun 14 20:24:25 2013 From: MRiccobono at nfb.org (Riccobono, Mark) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:24:25 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Opportunity to earn a Little iTunes Credit at NFB Convention Message-ID: <2AA94DA39C086E4481BF787E63A7EDFA20F0CA9C@BL2PRD0712MB615.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Participants Needed for Testing a New Math Education Software Tool for the Blind All participants will receive $20 in iTunes gift cards for their time. gh, LLC (makers of the ReadHear e-book reader software) and the University of Alabama in Huntsville are developing a new software program to enable improved math education (particularly in advanced subjects like algebra) for blind and visually impaired students. They are looking for volunteers to participate in one of eight testing sessions on Tuesday July 2, from 1:00-5:00 p.m., to help evaluate and refine the software's design. Thirty-two participant slots are available (four slots every thirty minutes, starting from 1:00-4:30 p.m.). Appointments are recommended. Walk-up time slots may be available on a limited basis. All participants will receive a $20 iTunes gift card as thanks for their time and assistance. Participants must have recent experience with Windows, screen-reader software, and high school algebra. Current high school (8th-12th grades) or college students are preferred. During the thirty-minute testing session, participants will be introduced to the software, instructed in its use, and then provided with a series of basic algebra-related exercises to determine the effectiveness and efficiency of the software's interface. At the end of the session, participants will be able to give feedback and suggestions about the software and receive their gift cards. Contact wlau at gh-accessibility or dws0009 at uah.edu for more information or to make an appointment. From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 14 20:24:53 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:24:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Theft & SMART Phones In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130614123605.0a46f420@comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20130614123605.0a46f420@comcast.net> Message-ID: <010801ce693d$3adf5740$b09e05c0$@gmail.com> How are they stealing them? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robin Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 3:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Theft & SMART Phones Hello, I came across this news story about numerous iPhone thefts in the Bay Area of Northern California, and it reported that these thefts are perpetrated on vulnerable people. The people, who are targeted are women, and I am curious if anyone takes special precautions when using their SMART Phone out in public. Sent From Robin M. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Jun 15 00:29:44 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 00:29:44 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands Message-ID: Hi all. I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. Please tell me what it is, so I can tell her. Thanks, Joshua From kathrynwebster at me.com Sat Jun 15 00:54:37 2013 From: kathrynwebster at me.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:54:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Control R Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi all. > I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. > She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. > Please tell me what it is, so I can tell her. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Jun 15 01:02:26 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 01:02:26 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Okay. I'll tell her. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kathryn Webster [kathrynwebster at me.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands Control R Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi all. > I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. > She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. > Please tell me what it is, so I can tell her. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 01:46:34 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:46:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <749D192A-D029-41D9-A1DC-1F83325E479E@gmail.com> Command+R actually On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Okay. > I'll tell her. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kathryn Webster [kathrynwebster at me.com] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands > > Control R > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Hi all. >> I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. >> She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. >> Please tell me what it is, so I can tell her. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 01:50:27 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:50:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, sorry, but this is incorrect. It is command plus r Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Okay. > I'll tell her. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kathryn Webster [kathrynwebster at me.com] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands > > Control R > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Hi all. >> I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. >> She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. >> Please tell me what it is, so I can tell her. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Jun 15 01:52:00 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 01:52:00 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I told her, after Greg told me. Thanks all for your assistance! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Josh Gregory [joshkart12 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands No, sorry, but this is incorrect. It is command plus r Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Okay. > I'll tell her. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kathryn Webster [kathrynwebster at me.com] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands > > Control R > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Hi all. >> I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. >> She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. >> Please tell me what it is, so I can tell her. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From opensesame at me.com Sat Jun 15 01:53:59 2013 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:53:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33ED5737-21F3-4F49-8813-A35F543B23A9@me.com> Actually, assuming your friend is using the standard Apple Mail App and the MacBook's built-in keyboard or an external keyboard with standard Apple layout, the keystroke to reply to an email is Command+R and the keystroke to Reply All is Command+Shift+R. HTH, Bryan On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:54 PM, you wrote: > Control R > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. >> She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Jun 15 01:56:35 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 01:56:35 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands In-Reply-To: <33ED5737-21F3-4F49-8813-A35F543B23A9@me.com> References: , <33ED5737-21F3-4F49-8813-A35F543B23A9@me.com> Message-ID: Since I'm getting one, then my final question is how do I access the equivalent of the Windows Start Menu? Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bryan Jones [opensesame at me.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands Actually, assuming your friend is using the standard Apple Mail App and the MacBook's built-in keyboard or an external keyboard with standard Apple layout, the keystroke to reply to an email is Command+R and the keystroke to Reply All is Command+Shift+R. HTH, Bryan On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:54 PM, you wrote: > Control R > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. >> She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 02:12:21 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:12:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands In-Reply-To: References: <33ED5737-21F3-4F49-8813-A35F543B23A9@me.com> Message-ID: <2B9E1AAB-E39A-4351-9815-97403201A0A7@gmail.com> There is no real equivalent, you can access things like your applications folder with command plus shift plus a. And your computer which is the equivalent of the windows desktop with command plus shift plus see Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Since I'm getting one, then my final question is how do I access the equivalent of the Windows Start Menu? > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bryan Jones [opensesame at me.com] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:53 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands > > Actually, assuming your friend is using the standard Apple Mail App and the MacBook's built-in keyboard or an external keyboard with standard Apple layout, the keystroke to reply to an email is Command+R and the keystroke to Reply All is Command+Shift+R. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:54 PM, you wrote: >> Control R >> >> On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. >>> She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Jun 15 02:15:30 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 02:15:30 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands In-Reply-To: <2B9E1AAB-E39A-4351-9815-97403201A0A7@gmail.com> References: <33ED5737-21F3-4F49-8813-A35F543B23A9@me.com> , <2B9E1AAB-E39A-4351-9815-97403201A0A7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Would my Internet Explorer be on the "Computer," tab, (equivalent of the Desk-Top? Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Josh Gregory [joshkart12 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 9:12 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands There is no real equivalent, you can access things like your applications folder with command plus shift plus a. And your computer which is the equivalent of the windows desktop with command plus shift plus see Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Since I'm getting one, then my final question is how do I access the equivalent of the Windows Start Menu? > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bryan Jones [opensesame at me.com] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:53 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands > > Actually, assuming your friend is using the standard Apple Mail App and the MacBook's built-in keyboard or an external keyboard with standard Apple layout, the keystroke to reply to an email is Command+R and the keystroke to Reply All is Command+Shift+R. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:54 PM, you wrote: >> Control R >> >> On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. >>> She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 02:18:09 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:18:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands In-Reply-To: References: <33ED5737-21F3-4F49-8813-A35F543B23A9@me.com> <2B9E1AAB-E39A-4351-9815-97403201A0A7@gmail.com> Message-ID: And the learning curve does begin… Mac uses Safari, not Internet Explorer. This would be located in your applications folder. If you want write me off list and I can help you further. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Would my Internet Explorer be on the "Computer," tab, (equivalent of the Desk-Top? > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Josh Gregory [joshkart12 at gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 9:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands > > There is no real equivalent, you can access things like your applications folder with command plus shift plus a. And your computer which is the equivalent of the windows desktop with command plus shift plus see > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Since I'm getting one, then my final question is how do I access the equivalent of the Windows Start Menu? >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bryan Jones [opensesame at me.com] >> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:53 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands >> >> Actually, assuming your friend is using the standard Apple Mail App and the MacBook's built-in keyboard or an external keyboard with standard Apple layout, the keystroke to reply to an email is Command+R and the keystroke to Reply All is Command+Shift+R. >> >> HTH, >> Bryan >> >> On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:54 PM, you wrote: >>> Control R >>> >>> On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. >>>> She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 03:22:50 2013 From: ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com (ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 21:22:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands In-Reply-To: References: <33ED5737-21F3-4F49-8813-A35F543B23A9@me.com> <2B9E1AAB-E39A-4351-9815-97403201A0A7@gmail.com> Message-ID: It may be in your dock as well which can be accessed using control option D as in dog. Lora Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > And the learning curve does begin… Mac uses Safari, not Internet Explorer. This would be located in your applications folder. If you want write me off list and I can help you further. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Would my Internet Explorer be on the "Computer," tab, (equivalent of the Desk-Top? >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Josh Gregory [joshkart12 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 9:12 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands >> >> There is no real equivalent, you can access things like your applications folder with command plus shift plus a. And your computer which is the equivalent of the windows desktop with command plus shift plus see >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> Since I'm getting one, then my final question is how do I access the equivalent of the Windows Start Menu? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bryan Jones [opensesame at me.com] >>> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:53 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands >>> >>> Actually, assuming your friend is using the standard Apple Mail App and the MacBook's built-in keyboard or an external keyboard with standard Apple layout, the keystroke to reply to an email is Command+R and the keystroke to Reply All is Command+Shift+R. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Bryan >>> >>> On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:54 PM, you wrote: >>>> Control R >>>> >>>> On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. >>>>> She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ichoosechrist2%40gmail.com From opensesame at me.com Sat Jun 15 03:37:37 2013 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 23:37:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands In-Reply-To: References: <33ED5737-21F3-4F49-8813-A35F543B23A9@me.com> Message-ID: <82755D17-51C1-432B-959D-3A787482826F@me.com> Here's a link to Apple's guide to getting started with VoiceOver on the Mac. This is a nicely accessible website, not a PDF file. It also introduces basic MacOS concepts in addition to VoiceOver concepts. http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html HTH, Bryan On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Since I'm getting one, then my final question is how do I access the equivalent of the Windows Start Menu? > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bryan Jones [opensesame at me.com] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:53 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands > > Actually, assuming your friend is using the standard Apple Mail App and the MacBook's built-in keyboard or an external keyboard with standard Apple layout, the keystroke to reply to an email is Command+R and the keystroke to Reply All is Command+Shift+R. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:54 PM, you wrote: >> Control R >> >> On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. >>> She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Jun 15 03:43:17 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 03:43:17 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac commands In-Reply-To: <82755D17-51C1-432B-959D-3A787482826F@me.com> References: <33ED5737-21F3-4F49-8813-A35F543B23A9@me.com> , <82755D17-51C1-432B-959D-3A787482826F@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the link! I'll look at it when I have time tomorrow. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bryan Jones [opensesame at me.com] Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 10:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands Here's a link to Apple's guide to getting started with VoiceOver on the Mac. This is a nicely accessible website, not a PDF file. It also introduces basic MacOS concepts in addition to VoiceOver concepts. http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html HTH, Bryan On Jun 14, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Since I'm getting one, then my final question is how do I access the equivalent of the Windows Start Menu? > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bryan Jones [opensesame at me.com] > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 8:53 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mac commands > > Actually, assuming your friend is using the standard Apple Mail App and the MacBook's built-in keyboard or an external keyboard with standard Apple layout, the keystroke to reply to an email is Command+R and the keystroke to Reply All is Command+Shift+R. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:54 PM, you wrote: >> Control R >> >> On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I haven't gotten my Macbook Pro yet, but a friend of mine just got one. >>> She can't figure out the command to reply to an E-Mail. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/opensesame%40me.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From tubacooch at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 05:23:06 2013 From: tubacooch at gmail.com (Nick Cocchiarella) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 00:23:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's Message-ID: <51bbfa65.c572320a.3aff.fffffb87@mx.google.com> I may have a suggestion for the braille keyword files, although it might screw with the format a little bit. You could, theoretically, change their extentions to .brf and open them in Kurzweil or Open Book. I haven't tried this, but I have opened a few text keyword documents on my computer, and aside from completely destroying the format and adding a few extra letters and symbols to the beginning of the document, it was perfectly readable in word. I suspect the other way would yield the same results, but it might not be a horrible idea to back the files up, just in case my suggestion has the unfortunate habit of damaging them beyond repair. Hope that helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" ,"National Association of Blind Students mailing list" wrote: I'm using jaws 14, but from what I can see, even if you use the ocr in jaws, you can only read it; you can't manipulate it in any way. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's The OCR in Openbook which is now built in to jaws 13 is all you need to read a PDF. All this means is when you select the program to open I. You would pick Openbook but you do not have to do that anymore because of jaws 13. I do not remember how I put Openbook as an option in the programs list because it is not a default. If you would like more information on features for this software I copied a link. I am sorry I do not recall all of the detailed. What version of jaws are you using? If it is jaws 12 or higher you have built in OCR and do not need any of this. Open a PDF, let it load and use your Jaws reading keys. I am sorry I did not ask the jaws version question befor because that could save a lot of work. Best Sent from my iPad On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:35 PM, "justin williams" References: <013201ce6577$fe1b7910$fa526b30$@gmail.com> <000c01ce6700$275e3770$761aa650$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <826EDBAA2657456E8140B65864B73710@OwnerPC> Hello, Joe raises some excellent points. As a young adult, I feel the same way. There are so few young professionals in local chapters that there is such a generation gap. Joe said "I think there is a place for young professionals in the movement that could be cultivated. Right now, you either grow up with NABS or you suck it up and deal with the old-timers of the chapters. No, nothing wrong with the older people. I learned a lot from them, but reality says most up and coming young professionals not already familiar with the organization are not going to join unless they have a reason to make it a priority." Amen. One reason I feel a big disconnect between nfb and me is the difference in age. The adults are either already working successfully and secured jobs long time ago when computers were not as graphical and complex or they lost vision recently and are not working yet again, or they are retired. I feel my struggles for access to the workplace and need for professional mentors is not really met by the local chapter; yet I still usually go because I can identify with some of the problems we face and I like hearing the presidential message to update me on advocacy of the federation. Joe is right. You either grow up with nabs or don't join. Young professionals won't join as its not a priority for them. At least locally, how meetings are run would not usually appeal to them. I echo what Joe said in that I hope the nabs board can make a place for young professionals. Maybe starting with a committee of nabs would be a start, as someone else suggested. Joe, I hope you do return to nfb someday as well. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joe Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:02 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What Has The NABS Board Been Doing Here here to Sean and his board for their great work. I think things with the NABS board have gotten a lot better since Terri's presidency. My only observation, whether it's good or bad is up to the reader, is the retention of NABS members after the student division years are over. There are a lot of people who burn out on the NFB, and after there is no NABS, there's really no more NFB. Yes, there are local chapters and state affiliates, but there are also families and professional responsibilities that significantly reduce the amount of time a person can devote to the cause. I think there is a place for young professionals in the movement that could be cultivated. Right now, you either grow up with NABS or you suck it up and deal with the old-timers of the chapters. No, nothing wrong with the older people. I learned a lot from them, but reality says most up and coming young professionals not already familiar with the organization are not going to join unless they have a reason to make it a priority. Me, I'm honestly still burned out. Logic says that I should just make the NFB a priority, but there is also the matter of enjoying the life of equality the organization fights to obtain. In short, not everyone wants to make the NFB their life. So, does that mean there is no room for whatever contributions we want to make? I guess that's up to future leaders at all levels of the organization to figure out, but times are changing. The relevance of the consumer organization as we know it will be redefined by the contact and immediacy of social networking. I'd devote another hundred pages to the subject, but I'm tired of my own rants. Take this for whatever it's worth. Joe _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jun 15 16:14:59 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:14:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Online Courses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13018154E63743E48A7BF578B49F282B@OwnerPC> Winona, Your choice of taking latin for that reason was fine. But I don't think that would be very accessible online. You need to see the spellings of words, where as spanish you spell phoenetically by hearing the words except for the h which is silent. You could alway s take latin at school as an elective later. I haven't done foreign languages with a pc, but I've looked at a spanish website or two when I was in high school spanish. I also suggest spanish as others have, because I know jaws pronounces words fairly well. I also believe learning it has practical applications as spanish is spoken a lot in the US. But, you need to see the spellings still, at least at the beginning, so I hope you have a braille display to read those words. Good luck, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Winona Brackett Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:54 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Online Courses Hello All, I have to take two credits of one foreign language in order to meet graduation requirements. Because of scheduling, I have to take at least the first credit of the foreign language online through Florida Virtual School. I'm enro lled in Latin I currently. I'm having trouble learning the language and all the different word endings. What is Spanish like? Which course do you think is more accessible with JAWS 14? If I continue with Latin, I will have to take Latin I and Latin II online. (The main reason why I wanted to try Latin is so I can improve my English vocabulary since most of the English language is from Latin roots.) My school doesn't offer Latin. If I took Spanish I online, I could take Spanish II at school. What are your thoughts? Winona _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 17:37:57 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:37:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: <51bbfa65.c572320a.3aff.fffffb87@mx.google.com> References: <51bbfa65.c572320a.3aff.fffffb87@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks everyone. I tried sending my Keyword files to RoboBraille and it was no go. RoboBraille said it didn't recognize the file type. I'll try it again after changing their file extensions to BRF. Arielle On 6/14/13, Nick Cocchiarella wrote: > I may have a suggestion for the braille keyword files, although > it might screw with the format a little bit. You could, > theoretically, change their extentions to .brf and open them in > Kurzweil or Open Book. I haven't tried this, but I have opened a > few text keyword documents on my computer, and aside from > completely destroying the format and adding a few extra letters > and symbols to the beginning of the document, it was perfectly > readable in word. I suspect the other way would yield the same > results, but it might not be a horrible idea to back the files > up, just in case my suggestion has the unfortunate habit of > damaging them beyond repair. Hope that helps. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: ,"National Association of Blind Students > mailing list" Date sent: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:00:46 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's > > I have old braille n speak files which I'd like to conver too. > Dan, does the same technique of converting brf files apply to > openbook too? > I have that but not kurzweil at home although I have access to > kurzweil at > my community college. > > Thanks. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Burke > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:54 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's > > Ariel, > > I don't know about the Key Word files, as I haven't ever used > that format. > However, it may be that what I share about the Braille Lite 2000 > may apply. > > First, if you're in Windows, you may have to change the view > settings to > show the file extensions. > > I assume that your Braille Lite files were written in contracted > Braille. > If they have a .BRF extension or a .BRL extension, they can be > converted > with Kurzweil 1000 or possibly Open Book. You could also send > the .BRF > files to robo Braille I believe, and have them converted to text > or Word. > I'm not as sure as with the .BRL extension files. > > However, .BRL extensions can simply be changed to .BRF and > they'll work. > Also, if they don't have any extension at all, just add the .BRF. > > One problem I noticed when converting in Kurzweil is that the > line breaks > don't carry over. This means you might lose paragraph breaks > > HTH > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's > > Hi guys, > I have a slightly related question. Is there any software or > Web-based > service that will convert a Keyword Braille file (one generated > on a > Braille Note) to text or Word format? I don't have a Braille Note > anymore, but have some old journals and other files I created on > a > Braille Note that I'd like to read, but can't because they're in > contracted Braille (Keyword Braille). For that matter, any way to > convert old files created on a Braille Lite 2000? > > Thanks, > Arielle > > On 6/13/13, justin williams wrote: > I'm using jaws 14, but from what I can see, even if you use the > ocr in > jaws, > you can only read it; you can't manipulate it in any way. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Bridget > Walker > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's > > The OCR in Openbook which is now built in to jaws 13 is all you > need to > read > a PDF. > All this means is when you select the program to open I. You > would pick > Openbook but you do not have to do that anymore because of jaws > 13. > I do not remember how I put Openbook as an option in the > programs list > because it is not a default. > If you would like more information on features for this software > I copied > a > link. > I am sorry I do not recall all of the detailed. > What version of jaws are you using? If it is jaws 12 or higher > you have > built in OCR and do not need any of this. > Open a PDF, let it load and use your Jaws reading keys. > I am sorry I did not ask the jaws version question befor because > that > could > save a lot of work. > > Best > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:35 PM, "justin williams" > wrote: > > How is it doen with open book? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Bridget > Walker > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's > > Hi, > Open-book is pretty good or other scanning software with built > in OCR. > Or download Zella PDF but that only converts to txt. > Are you using a PDF reader? Are you using Adobe? > If I recall Adobe versions nine and up is compatible with jaws > 12 and > up because of the added jaws OCR feature > > I hope this helps, > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Kayla Weathers > wrote: > > Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible > pdf's to word format that is accessible with JAWS? > Thanks, Kayla > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgeta > walk > e > r13%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.w > illia > ms2%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgeta > walke > r13%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.w > illiams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle7 > 1%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%4 > 0cocenter.o > rg > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworm > ahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tubacooc > h%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jun 15 18:28:01 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:28:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kerri, Wow, you have many related interests. You said, "My interests are sports, braille, rehabilitation counseling, rehabilitation teaching, journalism, reading, writing, and communications." Well, the reading, writing, and communications can all be combined. I think you should go back to school and pursue communications with a minor in english or even creative writing if they have such a minor. Some universities ask you to pick a emphisis in communications and if so yours can be journalism. You are right journalism has many transferable skills. I also like your passion for teaching blind people. That will take a masters degree though. I think there's more job options in pursuing writing as a career as a journalist or sports columnist. I'd also echo what others said. Get some volunteer experience in the fields you may want to have a career in. Try and get some mentors, even sighted mentors can teach you a lot about a typical day and typical job duties. Also use college, if you end up going, to college, there are many ways to use your reading and writing skills beyong the classroom. You can also be a leader too which looks good on your resume. Some ways are writing for the college newspaper, joining clubs and volunteering to be secretary, offering to publicize events with articles and flyers, writing for your school literature magazine, and even attending sports events and sending in your stories to the local paper for guest publication are options. As for self confidence, just do what you want and you will develop some confidence. Also try and be active because exercise makes you feel better. Join a community center if you have one or the local YMCA. If none available, join a gym if you can afford it. Go run or ride a bike with a buddy. Also, set goals and break them down in small steps so you''re not overwelmed. Also, I think there's some books through nls that may help you have better self esteem through the advice they give. For instance, I know there is a book called Seven habits of effective people or something like it. Its by Stephen Covy. Try and find it; I haven't read it, but heard it discusses what habits make people successful and how to do them. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kerri Kosten Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 7:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; Ed McDonald ; karen Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... Hi Everyone: Last night, I did some more thinking. I believe I have come up with a plan, and thought I'd share to get everyone's thoughts. I decided to change the subject line. The problem is I don't know what my passion is. I suffer from very very low self-esteem and lack belief/confidence in myself. As I said in my previous message, I have no problems doing things for someone else, but when it comes to myself and what I want to do this is where I majorly struggle. My other problem is that because of lack of confidence when I think of my interests I question myself and convince myself out of it. There is a difference between just liking something and actually doing it for a career and being good at it. Maybe I just don't know what I am really good at. Okay, here are my interests and potential career plan. My interests are sports, braille, rehabilitation counseling, rehabilitation teaching, journalism, reading, writing, and communications. Here is what I was thinking. I really love sports. When I went to WVU before, I was a journalism major because I thought I wanted to be a sportswriter. I was thinking I'd finish my journalism degree. I say journalism because I feel it could teach me a lot of transferable skills that could help me in other areas and I could learn to become a better writer. I could also try to better figure out whether I want to actually be a sportswriter. My top interests besides sports are rehabilitation counseling, rehabilitation teaching, and braille. I figured if after I got my journalism degree, I could get my master's in either rehabilitation counseling, rehabilitation teaching, or teaching blind students. I need to probably say I've never had any real experiences teaching, but I am an excellent braille reader, and with there being such a shortage with braille teachers I figure I could do something with that. The same with rehabilitation teaching. While I have no experience with teaching, again, I do have skills and figure I could teach them. I became interested in rehabilitation counseling when I joined the NFB. I became very passionate about seeing blind people reach their full potential and getting the training they need. I also have severe hearing loss in addition to my blindness so I am also passionate about seeing others who have severe hearing loss in addition to blindness reach their full potential. My problem is though, I have no trouble writing or speaking about these interests but when it comes to doing things/taking action I struggle and become nervous and lose confidence in myself and then convince myself I can't do it. I can talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk I have no idea and that is where I lose confidence in myself and become negative. Does what I wrote above sound like a good plan? Do others struggle with this whole thing about being afraid and unsure when it comes to taking action and convincing yourself you can't do it? In West Virginia, we do not have a community college. I live in the same town as West Virginia University, which is the state landgrand institution. I am no longer in high school;I graduated in 2006. Thanks so much for your input and thoughts! Kerri _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jun 15 18:37:15 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:37:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6DB34C5685694CDD94E1FDA5A3E4E1D3@OwnerPC> Arielle, I loved your advice when you said, "That may sound overwhelming, but really it is just completing a series of classes. If you plan one semester at a time, and try to focus as much as possible on your current semester and not on the semesters afterward, you may find you are less overwhelmed and more optimistic about completing your current courses. " I wish I had thought that way in school. I think you'll make a good psychologist. Taking it one step at a time is important. I'll also add that Kerri could meet with an academic advisor every semester. Good academic advisors will steer you in a good direction and help you plan classes in a logical sequence. She should also explore career options with the career center. They won't know about the blindness careers, but can help with the others. The career center may offer career testing as well to help you find your interests. Some schools also have personality tests. Also, use AFB career connect, an online database, as a resource. You sign up, then search for mentors by subject and then you write messages to them with your questions. Anyway, I hope Kerri pursues school and we can support her as she does it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 7:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What I Think I Want To Do...More Questions... Hi Kerri, >From what you just wrote I believe you do know what your passions are, perhaps more clearly than most people. You know you are passionate about sports writing and about helping blind people to better their skills. You have also come up with a very clear, concrete plan of finishing your journalism degree. It might help with your confidence if you could break your goals down into smaller immediate objectives that aren't as overwhelming. For example, it sounds like you have informally decided to earn a bachelor's degree in journalism. That may sound overwhelming, but really it is just completing a series of classes. If you plan one semester at a time, and try to focus as much as possible on your current semester and not on the semesters afterward, you may find you are less overwhelmed and more optimistic about completing your current courses. At the end of each semester, you can go back and evaluate how the semester went, which classes you enjoyed, which ones you didn't, which courses you excelled in most, etc. This may help steer you toward one direction, if you find that after taking a special education class you are less excited about that content and more excited about journalism classes and projects you worked on, for example. However, it is also possible that you have multiple passions and there are ways to integrate those different passions into a single program of study, to pursue one interest as a career and the other as a hobby, or even to find a job that integrates both interests equally. You could even take on a double major and if both degrees are liberal arts/sciences kinds of degrees, it isn't much extra work because many of the electives from one major can come from the other one. That's what I did by majoring in both biology and psychology because I couldn't decide which direction to go in initially and the psychology major courses could double as social/behavioral electives for the biology major. I try to follow a one-to-two-year plan and not to plan too much further ahead than that, because things change and because planning further out tends to be more overwhelming than it is helpful, in my opinion. Best, Arielle On 6/8/13, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > Last night, I did some more thinking. I believe I have come up with a > plan, and thought I'd share to get everyone's thoughts. I decided to > change the subject line. > The problem is I don't know what my passion is. I suffer from very > very low self-esteem and lack belief/confidence in myself. As I said > in my previous message, I have no problems doing things for someone > else, but when it comes to myself and what I want to do this is where > I majorly struggle. > My other problem is that because of lack of confidence when I think of > my interests I question myself and convince myself out of it. There is > a difference between just liking something and actually doing it for a > career and being good at it. > Maybe I just don't know what I am really good at. > Okay, here are my interests and potential career plan. > My interests are sports, braille, rehabilitation counseling, > rehabilitation teaching, journalism, reading, writing, and > communications. > Here is what I was thinking. > I really love sports. When I went to WVU before, I was a journalism > major because I thought I wanted to be a sportswriter. > I was thinking I'd finish my journalism degree. I say journalism > because I feel it could teach me a lot of transferable skills that > could help me in other areas and I could learn to become a better > writer. I could also try to better figure out whether I want to > actually be a sportswriter. > My top interests besides sports are rehabilitation counseling, > rehabilitation teaching, and braille. I figured if after I got my > journalism degree, I could get my master's in either rehabilitation > counseling, rehabilitation teaching, or teaching blind students. > I need to probably say I've never had any real experiences teaching, > but I am an excellent braille reader, and with there being such a > shortage with braille teachers I figure I could do something with > that. > The same with rehabilitation teaching. While I have no experience with > teaching, again, I do have skills and figure I could teach them. > I became interested in rehabilitation counseling when I joined the > NFB. I became very passionate about seeing blind people reach their > full potential and getting the training they need. > I also have severe hearing loss in addition to my blindness so I am > also passionate about seeing others who have severe hearing loss in > addition to blindness reach their full potential. > My problem is though, I have no trouble writing or speaking about > these interests but when it comes to doing things/taking action I > struggle and become nervous and lose confidence in myself and then > convince myself I can't do it. > I can talk the talk but when it comes to walking the walk I have no > idea and that is where I lose confidence in myself and become > negative. > Does what I wrote above sound like a good plan? > Do others struggle with this whole thing about being afraid and unsure > when it comes to taking action and convincing yourself you can't do > it? > In West Virginia, we do not have a community college. I live in the > same town as West Virginia University, which is the state landgrand > institution. > I am no longer in high school;I graduated in 2006. > Thanks so much for your input and thoughts! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 18:48:37 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:48:37 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks In-Reply-To: <00b401ce68f6$b7e9cf00$27bd6d00$@gmail.com> References: <2D1D07C158BA4848A391DBE04B7B9056@OwnerPC> <00b401ce68f6$b7e9cf00$27bd6d00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, It seems like besides ID checking, most receptionist tasks should be accessible. Answering phones, transferring callers to the right extension, taking messages for staff and scheduling appointments are all accessible as long as the phone switchboard isn't touch-screen. You could work at a doctor's or dentist's office making appointments and calling people to confirm their appointments. If you are a volunteer, you could team up with somebody else who handles the medical forms and insurance cards. I know several blind people who have done temporary receptionist jobs for pay. Arielle On 6/14/13, justin williams wrote: > Couldn't you get them to help you come up with an electronic form? Let the > person read whaever it is and then type their name, or print it out sign > it, > then scan it back in in pdf. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail > LMT > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:58 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks > > Hi Ashley, > I can answer one of your questions. > As a massage therapist I have the client fill out a health history form > before their massage. > I have the client or one of my co-workers read me what is on the form and I > make my own notes on what the client put on their form that way. > The form is not that long so I think you could have someone read it to you > as long as it is not to long. > Hope that helps. > Rania, > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley > Bramlett > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:15 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks > > Hi all, > > I'm posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are > students > or recent graduates. > But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. > I'm finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more experience > to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience, > confidence, > and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I > really need for work. > > I'm finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to > support > the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. > Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these questions. > Here they are. > As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms > are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. > Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions which > is discouraging. > Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and > designing documents. > So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. > > 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have barcodes > now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? > > I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use > for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. > > > > 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients fill > out and you read it to enter in data. > > Is Access accessible? > > I figured if it's a short form another person can read me the data. > > > > 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers > that talk? > > > > 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 18:56:20 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:56:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young professionals division? In-Reply-To: <001901ce68f3$599d5d70$0cd81850$@gmail.com> References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> <7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> <001901ce68f3$599d5d70$0cd81850$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Greg, I'm curious how your TVI degree was funded? Did the program offer fellowships to all grad students or did you apply for and get a scholarship from another source? My experience with the Ph.D. is exactly what you described; the department's fellowships pay tuition and stipend in exchange for either teaching or research support. Students in my program do not work much outside of school and teaching/research duties assigned to them. However, I think this doesn't happen much with master's degrees since master's students are generally not being trained for academic careers. So hiring a master's student to help with teaching is less justified by the university. I'd love to be wrong about this though. Arielle On 6/14/13, justin williams wrote: > That is not true with grad school; it depends. The p h d is going to have > more funding available. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:31 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young professionals > division? > > Hi Ashley, > Not to go too far afield from the main topic, but I paid for my degrees > mostly with scholarships, grants, assistance ships, and some student loans. > The thing about graduate school is that in most fields, you should be able > to find a program that will pay for your degree. I have heard some people > say that if you are paying to go to grad school, you aren't doing it right. > This is mostly true on the masters level and even more so if you are > pursuing a Ph.D. This is because on the graduate level, you are engaging > in > research/sharing some of the teaching load for professors. It is a > mutually > beneficial arrangement for both parties. This is also the dynamic that > makes graduate school more like a career than other levels of education. > > Also, I graduated last August with a degree in teaching blind students and > was extremely fortunate to find a job as a TVI in the Atlanta area within 2 > weeks of completing my degree. I just finished my first year as a teacher > and it feels wonderful. Woohoo! There is hope after school. :) > > -Greg > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:46 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" > wrote: > >> Greg, >> wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one > degree, but not two. >> What did you study in grad and undergrad? >> I assume you're looking for work. >> >> Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go >> to > that group. >> Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to their > careers or have a full or part time job while in school. >> So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and > intensiveness of their school studies. >> Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits > into a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that > professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing > other licensing exams. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens >> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >> >> I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young > professionals" umbrella. Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my > experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and > the less like traditional school it is. >> >> I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what > group. If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in > the young professional stuff. If you aren't sure, connect with others who > do identify themselves that way and see if you fit. >> >> -Greg >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman > wrote: >> >>> Hi , >>> >>> It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for >>> young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a >>> formal division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may >>> be. One option is for young professionals to get together, form a >>> group and plan programming for national convention. Another option is >>> for NABS to appoint a committee for graduate students, young >>> professionals and non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a >>> grad student/young professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the >>> board, but wouldn't have to be). This committee could then plan >>> programming such as conference calls, happy hours or other >>> get-togethers just for "mature" students and those who have recently >>> graduated to network and discuss common issues. I think NABS still >>> has a high school committee and this would be like the other side of >>> that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular NABS programming, but >>> just develop some supplementary programming for mature students. When >>> I was NABS president I was open to the formation of almost any >>> committee as long as there was at least one individual willing to >>> head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting a nontrad >>> committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two individuals are >>> willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board would be >>> comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus on the >>> young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be a great > thing. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> greg, >>>> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests >>>> than students. >>>> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing >>>> accomodations >>>> >>>> are just some issues that come to mind. >>>> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than >>>> expanding nabs. >>>> Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some >>>> stuff, but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and >>>> attract young professionals. >>>> >>>> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I >>>> hope you gather and further discuss it. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Greg Aikens >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM >>>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students >>>> mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>> >>>> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and >>>> interests than most of your student population. That doesn't mean >>>> we can't still act >>>> >>>> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think >>>> there is enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a >>>> separate group better for all involved. >>>> >>>> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be >>>> necessary, but >>>> >>>> maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor >>>> one another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older >>>> generations >>>> >>>> of NFBers who have worked together for decades. >>>> >>>> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this >>>> year to brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know >>>> convention time >>>> >>>> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be >>>> better. >>>> >>>> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep >>>> the conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be >>>> at convention, let's get together. >>>> >>>> -Greg >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: >>>> >>>>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the >>>>> scope of the organization that much broader than it already is, and >>>>> two, NABS still has to get in the weeds of the philosophy >>>>> fundamentals: training centers, disability offices, the importance >>>>> of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of >>>>> >>>>> a >>>>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like >>>>> accessibility >>>>> >>>>> in >>>>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in >>>>> similar fields such as federal employees, and yes, a means of >>>>> enabling otherwise busy professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. >>>>> I'm a busy guy but still like signing petitions and calling up >>>>> congress people in favor of or in protest to some measure or >>>>> another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be clear that >>>>> I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to meet >>>>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there >>>>> needs to be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of >>>>> apathy. I get up at >>>>> 4:00 >>>>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less >>>>> around 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter > meeting. >>>>> Yes, >>>>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there >>>>> is a lot more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are >>>>> dozens of divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my >>>>> opposition to most divisions in general, but having too many >>>>> choices makes people like me not want to participate in any of it. >>>>> If I don't make it to the national convention and can't make >>>>> Washington Seminar, where does that leave people like me? Perhaps >>>>> an alternative organization, but being burned out on the Federation >>>>> does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, enough >>>>> babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is because >>>>> >>>>> I >>>>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. >>>>> Maybe >>>>> >>>>> a >>>>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, >>>>> Zunaira >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>>> >>>>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young >>>>> professionals as well as students. We can all be in the same >>>>> division. That way mentoring can take place with ease. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg >>>>> Aikens >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>>> >>>>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other >>>>> young professionals. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had >>>>>> mentioned an NFB young professionals division ..... that it >>>>>> doesn't exist lol Is this something people would be interested in? >>>>>> Perhaps we can put it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at >>>>>> National Convention. ~ Stephanie >>>>>> >>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens% >>>>>> 40gm >>>>>> ail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wa >>>>> sif%4 >>>>> 0dbs.fldoe.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%4 >>>>> 0gmail.co >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%4 >>>>> 0gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb >>>> %40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%4 >>>> 0gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40g >>> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm >> ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 18:58:47 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 14:58:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young professionals division? In-Reply-To: References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> <7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> <001901ce68f3$599d5d70$0cd81850$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008401ce69fa$5e0fb030$1a2f1090$@gmail.com> Yeah, I'm a master's studeht; I need some funding. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 2:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young professionals division? Greg, I'm curious how your TVI degree was funded? Did the program offer fellowships to all grad students or did you apply for and get a scholarship from another source? My experience with the Ph.D. is exactly what you described; the department's fellowships pay tuition and stipend in exchange for either teaching or research support. Students in my program do not work much outside of school and teaching/research duties assigned to them. However, I think this doesn't happen much with master's degrees since master's students are generally not being trained for academic careers. So hiring a master's student to help with teaching is less justified by the university. I'd love to be wrong about this though. Arielle On 6/14/13, justin williams wrote: > That is not true with grad school; it depends. The p h d is going to > have more funding available. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg > Aikens > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:31 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young > professionals division? > > Hi Ashley, > Not to go too far afield from the main topic, but I paid for my > degrees mostly with scholarships, grants, assistance ships, and some student loans. > The thing about graduate school is that in most fields, you should be > able to find a program that will pay for your degree. I have heard > some people say that if you are paying to go to grad school, you aren't doing it right. > This is mostly true on the masters level and even more so if you are > pursuing a Ph.D. This is because on the graduate level, you are > engaging in research/sharing some of the teaching load for professors. > It is a mutually beneficial arrangement for both parties. This is > also the dynamic that makes graduate school more like a career than > other levels of education. > > Also, I graduated last August with a degree in teaching blind students > and was extremely fortunate to find a job as a TVI in the Atlanta area > within 2 weeks of completing my degree. I just finished my first year > as a teacher and it feels wonderful. Woohoo! There is hope after > school. :) > > -Greg > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:46 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" > > wrote: > >> Greg, >> wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for >> one > degree, but not two. >> What did you study in grad and undergrad? >> I assume you're looking for work. >> >> Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then >> go to > that group. >> Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to >> their > careers or have a full or part time job while in school. >> So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and > intensiveness of their school studies. >> Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO >> fits > into a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that > professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times > passing other licensing exams. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens >> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >> >> I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young > professionals" umbrella. Having completed two graduate degrees, it > was my experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like > a career and the less like traditional school it is. >> >> I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into >> what > group. If you consider yourself a young professional, then > participate in the young professional stuff. If you aren't sure, > connect with others who do identify themselves that way and see if you fit. >> >> -Greg >> >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman > wrote: >> >>> Hi , >>> >>> It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for >>> young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a >>> formal division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may >>> be. One option is for young professionals to get together, form a >>> group and plan programming for national convention. Another option >>> is for NABS to appoint a committee for graduate students, young >>> professionals and non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a >>> grad student/young professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the >>> board, but wouldn't have to be). This committee could then plan >>> programming such as conference calls, happy hours or other >>> get-togethers just for "mature" students and those who have recently >>> graduated to network and discuss common issues. I think NABS still >>> has a high school committee and this would be like the other side of >>> that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular NABS programming, but >>> just develop some supplementary programming for mature students. >>> When I was NABS president I was open to the formation of almost any >>> committee as long as there was at least one individual willing to >>> head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting a nontrad >>> committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two individuals are >>> willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board would be >>> comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus on the >>> young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be a >>> great > thing. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> greg, >>>> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and >>>> interests than students. >>>> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing >>>> accomodations >>>> >>>> are just some issues that come to mind. >>>> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose >>>> than expanding nabs. >>>> Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some >>>> stuff, but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and >>>> attract young professionals. >>>> >>>> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I >>>> hope you gather and further discuss it. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Greg Aikens >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM >>>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students >>>> mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>> >>>> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and >>>> interests than most of your student population. That doesn't mean >>>> we can't still act >>>> >>>> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think >>>> there is enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a >>>> separate group better for all involved. >>>> >>>> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be >>>> necessary, but >>>> >>>> maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor >>>> one another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older >>>> generations >>>> >>>> of NFBers who have worked together for decades. >>>> >>>> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this >>>> year to brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I >>>> know convention time >>>> >>>> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be >>>> better. >>>> >>>> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep >>>> the conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will >>>> be at convention, let's get together. >>>> >>>> -Greg >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: >>>> >>>>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the >>>>> scope of the organization that much broader than it already is, >>>>> and two, NABS still has to get in the weeds of the philosophy >>>>> fundamentals: training centers, disability offices, the importance >>>>> of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of >>>>> >>>>> a >>>>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like >>>>> accessibility >>>>> >>>>> in >>>>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in >>>>> similar fields such as federal employees, and yes, a means of >>>>> enabling otherwise busy professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. >>>>> I'm a busy guy but still like signing petitions and calling up >>>>> congress people in favor of or in protest to some measure or >>>>> another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be clear that >>>>> I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to meet >>>>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there >>>>> needs to be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of >>>>> apathy. I get up at >>>>> 4:00 >>>>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less >>>>> around 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a >>>>> chapter > meeting. >>>>> Yes, >>>>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there >>>>> is a lot more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are >>>>> dozens of divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my >>>>> opposition to most divisions in general, but having too many >>>>> choices makes people like me not want to participate in any of it. >>>>> If I don't make it to the national convention and can't make >>>>> Washington Seminar, where does that leave people like me? Perhaps >>>>> an alternative organization, but being burned out on the >>>>> Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. >>>>> Anyway, enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at >>>>> all, it is because >>>>> >>>>> I >>>>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. >>>>> Maybe >>>>> >>>>> a >>>>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Wasif, Zunaira >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>>> >>>>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young >>>>> professionals as well as students. We can all be in the same >>>>> division. That way mentoring can take place with ease. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg >>>>> Aikens >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>>> >>>>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other >>>>> young professionals. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had >>>>>> mentioned an NFB young professionals division ..... that it >>>>>> doesn't exist lol Is this something people would be interested in? >>>>>> Perhaps we can put it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at >>>>>> National Convention. ~ Stephanie >>>>>> >>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens >>>>>> % >>>>>> 40gm >>>>>> ail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.w >>>>> a >>>>> sif%4 >>>>> 0dbs.fldoe.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620% >>>>> 4 >>>>> 0gmail.co >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens% >>>>> 4 >>>>> 0gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormah >>>> b >>>> %40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71% >>>> 4 >>>> 0gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for > nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40 >>> g >>> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb% >> 4 >> 0earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40g >> m >> ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 18:59:54 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:59:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] young professionals division? In-Reply-To: References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> <7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi all, I will only be at convention from Sunday to Thursday this year. If a young professionals group wants to meet and it's before Thursday, I will participate. Arielle On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Greg, > wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one > degree, but not two. > What did you study in grad and undergrad? > I assume you're looking for work. > > Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go to > that group. > Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to their > careers or have a full or part time job while in school. > So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and intensiveness > > of their school studies. > Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits into > > a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that > professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing > > other licensing exams. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Aikens > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? > > I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young > professionals" umbrella. Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my > experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and > > the less like traditional school it is. > > I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what > group. If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in > the young professional stuff. If you aren't sure, connect with others who > do identify themselves that way and see if you fit. > > -Greg > > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman > wrote: > >> Hi , >> >> It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for >> young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a formal >> division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may be. One >> option is for young professionals to get together, form a group and >> plan programming for national convention. Another option is for NABS >> to appoint a committee for graduate students, young professionals and >> non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a grad student/young >> professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the board, but wouldn't have >> to be). This committee could then plan programming such as conference >> calls, happy hours or other get-togethers just for "mature" students >> and those who have recently graduated to network and discuss common >> issues. I think NABS still has a high school committee and this would >> be like the other side of that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular >> NABS programming, but just develop some supplementary programming for >> mature students. When I was NABS president I was open to the formation >> of almost any committee as long as there was at least one individual >> willing to head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting >> a nontrad committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two >> individuals are willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board >> would be comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus >> on the young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be >> a great thing. >> >> Arielle >> >> On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> greg, >>> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests >>> than >>> students. >>> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing >>> accomodations >>> >>> are just some issues that come to mind. >>> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than >>> expanding nabs. >>> Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some >>> stuff, >>> but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young >>> professionals. >>> >>> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope >>> you >>> gather and further discuss it. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Greg Aikens >>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM >>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>> >>> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests >>> than most of your student population. That doesn't mean we can't still >>> act >>> >>> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is >>> enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group >>> better >>> for all involved. >>> >>> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary, >>> but >>> >>> maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one >>> another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older >>> generations >>> >>> of NFBers who have worked together for decades. >>> >>> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to >>> brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know convention >>> time >>> >>> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better. >>> >>> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the >>> conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be at >>> convention, let's get together. >>> >>> -Greg >>> >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: >>> >>>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the >>>> scope >>>> of >>>> the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS >>>> still >>>> has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training >>>> centers, >>>> disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think >>>> of >>>> >>>> a >>>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like >>>> accessibility >>>> >>>> in >>>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar >>>> fields >>>> such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy >>>> professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still >>>> like >>>> signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in >>>> protest >>>> to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to >>>> be >>>> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to >>>> meet >>>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs >>>> to >>>> be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at >>>> 4:00 >>>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less >>>> around >>>> 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting. >>>> Yes, >>>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a >>>> lot >>>> more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of >>>> divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most >>>> divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me >>>> not >>>> want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national >>>> convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave >>>> people >>>> like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on >>>> the >>>> Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, >>>> enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is >>>> because >>>> >>>> I >>>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. >>>> Maybe >>>> >>>> a >>>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, >>>> Zunaira >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>> >>>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young professionals as >>>> well >>>> as students. We can all be in the same division. That way mentoring >>>> can >>>> take place with ease. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg >>>> Aikens >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>> >>>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other >>>> young >>>> professionals. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned >>>>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is >>>>> this something people would be interested in? Perhaps we can put it >>>>> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie >>>>> >>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm >>>>> ail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%4 >>>> 0dbs.fldoe.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jsoro620 at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 20:35:02 2013 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:35:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Brief Professional Bio Message-ID: <001301ce6a07$d012c750$703855f0$@gmail.com> Although I will not be at convention, I am always up for mentoring people. I always wanted a mentor growing up, someone in my field of interest who could give me tips and introduce me to contacts. I'm not really into formal mentoring programs that make you maintain monthly records of communications. My time's too valuable to add more paperwork to my schedule, so if after reading my brief bio you'd be interested in talking, look me up off-list. I think it would be great if other young professionals could tell a little bit about themselves in case you're in the position to be a good source for someone younger. Heck, you could be a good resource to a fellow professional. Most people these days switch jobs every few years. I'm 30 and am into my third full-time occupation. The point is that networking never ceases. Anyway, after college I fulfilled a year of AmeriCorps in DC working with human trafficking victims and refugees. After that I worked for two years with an international youth development organization administering grants on behalf of major corporations and government agencies. This was my job during graduate school, and balancing graduate studies on top of a full-time job is going to result in a lot of all-nighters. Don't do it unless you need to. My next position was with a national consumer education organization where we provided advocacy and assistance on everything from banking to wireless communication. I was with them for three years, and last July I totally switched careers. I'm now working in the federal government doing intelligence work. That's my day job. In the evenings and on weekends I run a small freelance copywriting business doing everything from marketing to book ghostwriting. So, if you have an interest in nonprofit development, the intelligence community, or marketing, feel free to reach out. I can assure you I will not have all the answers to your questions, but if I don't have the answers, I'll pass you along to someone who may. And, if I don't respond right away to your inquiry, it's nothing personal. My free time's limited, but I will write back. Joe From gpaikens at gmail.com Sat Jun 15 23:54:51 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:54:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young professionals division? In-Reply-To: References: <9B55871E-E606-464F-A273-B1674191975A@gmail.com> <2D01309C2F5D5C4C93CC5DE084807DF2081DE536@DBSSOEXCHANGE.fldbs.net> <018d01ce6897$342e4100$9c8ac300$@gmail.com> <7E613235DC2E49BCA26BCFB7FA3D6D13@OwnerPC> <001901ce68f3$599d5d70$0cd81850$@gmail.com> Message-ID: My university had a grant from the Department of Education to train TVIs. 3 of the 4 full time students in my cohort received funding for their degrees through this program. I was funded by a similar but separate source through a Dean's honors scholarship for the college of education. The department of ed money came with some caveats--that you had to teach as a TVI for 4 years in the U.S. and if you were not already a certified teacher, you had to pay for the extra 3 to 4 foundational education classes that you need. It is my understanding that the department of ed is funding several similar teacher prep programs across the country in the area of teaching blind students. If it is an area that is under served, chances are there is government money out there. When I made an attempt at doing a masters in computer science at Arizona State, I was also fully funded through a research assistanceship. I know it isn't true for every field of study. It is generally not true for masters degrees in theology and religion. But for many areas, there is money out there to attend graduate school if you look hard enough. Even though masters level students may not share as much of the teaching load, they are often used to support research grants and doctoral level research. This is still mutually beneficial because most masters programs require some form of research thesis. I'm not trying to put anybody down who isn't fully funded. I know finding funding can be a real struggle. I just want to encourage people to think outside the box when it comes to graduate school funding because in my experience, the money is out there. Best, Greg On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Greg, I'm curious how your TVI degree was funded? Did the program > offer fellowships to all grad students or did you apply for and get a > scholarship from another source? > > My experience with the Ph.D. is exactly what you described; the > department's fellowships pay tuition and stipend in exchange for > either teaching or research support. Students in my program do not > work much outside of school and teaching/research duties assigned to > them. However, I think this doesn't happen much with master's degrees > since master's students are generally not being trained for academic > careers. So hiring a master's student to help with teaching is less > justified by the university. I'd love to be wrong about this though. > > Arielle > > On 6/14/13, justin williams wrote: >> That is not true with grad school; it depends. The p h d is going to have >> more funding available. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens >> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:31 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young professionals >> division? >> >> Hi Ashley, >> Not to go too far afield from the main topic, but I paid for my degrees >> mostly with scholarships, grants, assistance ships, and some student loans. >> The thing about graduate school is that in most fields, you should be able >> to find a program that will pay for your degree. I have heard some people >> say that if you are paying to go to grad school, you aren't doing it right. >> This is mostly true on the masters level and even more so if you are >> pursuing a Ph.D. This is because on the graduate level, you are engaging >> in >> research/sharing some of the teaching load for professors. It is a >> mutually >> beneficial arrangement for both parties. This is also the dynamic that >> makes graduate school more like a career than other levels of education. >> >> Also, I graduated last August with a degree in teaching blind students and >> was extremely fortunate to find a job as a TVI in the Atlanta area within 2 >> weeks of completing my degree. I just finished my first year as a teacher >> and it feels wonderful. Woohoo! There is hope after school. :) >> >> -Greg >> >> On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:46 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" >> wrote: >> >>> Greg, >>> wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one >> degree, but not two. >>> What did you study in grad and undergrad? >>> I assume you're looking for work. >>> >>> Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go >>> to >> that group. >>> Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to their >> careers or have a full or part time job while in school. >>> So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and >> intensiveness of their school studies. >>> Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits >> into a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that >> professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing >> other licensing exams. >>> >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens >>> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>> >>> I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young >> professionals" umbrella. Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my >> experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and >> the less like traditional school it is. >>> >>> I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what >> group. If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in >> the young professional stuff. If you aren't sure, connect with others who >> do identify themselves that way and see if you fit. >>> >>> -Greg >>> >>> >>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman >> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi , >>>> >>>> It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for >>>> young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a >>>> formal division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may >>>> be. One option is for young professionals to get together, form a >>>> group and plan programming for national convention. Another option is >>>> for NABS to appoint a committee for graduate students, young >>>> professionals and non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a >>>> grad student/young professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the >>>> board, but wouldn't have to be). This committee could then plan >>>> programming such as conference calls, happy hours or other >>>> get-togethers just for "mature" students and those who have recently >>>> graduated to network and discuss common issues. I think NABS still >>>> has a high school committee and this would be like the other side of >>>> that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular NABS programming, but >>>> just develop some supplementary programming for mature students. When >>>> I was NABS president I was open to the formation of almost any >>>> committee as long as there was at least one individual willing to >>>> head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting a nontrad >>>> committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two individuals are >>>> willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board would be >>>> comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus on the >>>> young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be a great >> thing. >>>> >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> greg, >>>>> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests >>>>> than students. >>>>> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing >>>>> accomodations >>>>> >>>>> are just some issues that come to mind. >>>>> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than >>>>> expanding nabs. >>>>> Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some >>>>> stuff, but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and >>>>> attract young professionals. >>>>> >>>>> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I >>>>> hope you gather and further discuss it. >>>>> >>>>> Ashley >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Greg Aikens >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM >>>>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students >>>>> mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>>> >>>>> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and >>>>> interests than most of your student population. That doesn't mean >>>>> we can't still act >>>>> >>>>> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think >>>>> there is enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a >>>>> separate group better for all involved. >>>>> >>>>> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be >>>>> necessary, but >>>>> >>>>> maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor >>>>> one another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older >>>>> generations >>>>> >>>>> of NFBers who have worked together for decades. >>>>> >>>>> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this >>>>> year to brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know >>>>> convention time >>>>> >>>>> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be >>>>> better. >>>>> >>>>> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep >>>>> the conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be >>>>> at convention, let's get together. >>>>> >>>>> -Greg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the >>>>>> scope of the organization that much broader than it already is, and >>>>>> two, NABS still has to get in the weeds of the philosophy >>>>>> fundamentals: training centers, disability offices, the importance >>>>>> of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like >>>>>> accessibility >>>>>> >>>>>> in >>>>>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in >>>>>> similar fields such as federal employees, and yes, a means of >>>>>> enabling otherwise busy professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. >>>>>> I'm a busy guy but still like signing petitions and calling up >>>>>> congress people in favor of or in protest to some measure or >>>>>> another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be clear that >>>>>> I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to meet >>>>>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there >>>>>> needs to be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of >>>>>> apathy. I get up at >>>>>> 4:00 >>>>>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less >>>>>> around 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter >> meeting. >>>>>> Yes, >>>>>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there >>>>>> is a lot more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are >>>>>> dozens of divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my >>>>>> opposition to most divisions in general, but having too many >>>>>> choices makes people like me not want to participate in any of it. >>>>>> If I don't make it to the national convention and can't make >>>>>> Washington Seminar, where does that leave people like me? Perhaps >>>>>> an alternative organization, but being burned out on the Federation >>>>>> does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, enough >>>>>> babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is because >>>>>> >>>>>> I >>>>>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities. >>>>>> Maybe >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start. >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif, >>>>>> Zunaira >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young >>>>>> professionals as well as students. We can all be in the same >>>>>> division. That way mentoring can take place with ease. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg >>>>>> Aikens >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division? >>>>>> >>>>>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other >>>>>> young professionals. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had >>>>>>> mentioned an NFB young professionals division ..... that it >>>>>>> doesn't exist lol Is this something people would be interested in? >>>>>>> Perhaps we can put it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at >>>>>>> National Convention. ~ Stephanie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. >>>>>>> ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens% >>>>>>> 40gm >>>>>>> ail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> 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(Dan Burke) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 18:12:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: References: <51bbfa65.c572320a.3aff.fffffb87@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Backing them up is a good idea. On 6/15/13, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Thanks everyone. I tried sending my Keyword files to RoboBraille and > it was no go. RoboBraille said it didn't recognize the file type. I'll > try it again after changing their file extensions to BRF. > Arielle > > On 6/14/13, Nick Cocchiarella wrote: >> I may have a suggestion for the braille keyword files, although >> it might screw with the format a little bit. You could, >> theoretically, change their extentions to .brf and open them in >> Kurzweil or Open Book. I haven't tried this, but I have opened a >> few text keyword documents on my computer, and aside from >> completely destroying the format and adding a few extra letters >> and symbols to the beginning of the document, it was perfectly >> readable in word. I suspect the other way would yield the same >> results, but it might not be a horrible idea to back the files >> up, just in case my suggestion has the unfortunate habit of >> damaging them beyond repair. Hope that helps. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: ,"National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list" > Date sent: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 15:00:46 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's >> >> I have old braille n speak files which I'd like to conver too. >> Dan, does the same technique of converting brf files apply to >> openbook too? >> I have that but not kurzweil at home although I have access to >> kurzweil at >> my community college. >> >> Thanks. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan Burke >> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:54 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's >> >> Ariel, >> >> I don't know about the Key Word files, as I haven't ever used >> that format. >> However, it may be that what I share about the Braille Lite 2000 >> may apply. >> >> First, if you're in Windows, you may have to change the view >> settings to >> show the file extensions. >> >> I assume that your Braille Lite files were written in contracted >> Braille. >> If they have a .BRF extension or a .BRL extension, they can be >> converted >> with Kurzweil 1000 or possibly Open Book. You could also send >> the .BRF >> files to robo Braille I believe, and have them converted to text >> or Word. >> I'm not as sure as with the .BRL extension files. >> >> However, .BRL extensions can simply be changed to .BRF and >> they'll work. >> Also, if they don't have any extension at all, just add the .BRF. >> >> One problem I noticed when converting in Kurzweil is that the >> line breaks >> don't carry over. This means you might lose paragraph breaks >> >> HTH >> Dan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Arielle >> Silverman >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's >> >> Hi guys, >> I have a slightly related question. Is there any software or >> Web-based >> service that will convert a Keyword Braille file (one generated >> on a >> Braille Note) to text or Word format? I don't have a Braille Note >> anymore, but have some old journals and other files I created on >> a >> Braille Note that I'd like to read, but can't because they're in >> contracted Braille (Keyword Braille). For that matter, any way to >> convert old files created on a Braille Lite 2000? >> >> Thanks, >> Arielle >> >> On 6/13/13, justin williams wrote: >> I'm using jaws 14, but from what I can see, even if you use the >> ocr in >> jaws, >> you can only read it; you can't manipulate it in any way. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Bridget >> Walker >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's >> >> The OCR in Openbook which is now built in to jaws 13 is all you >> need to >> read >> a PDF. >> All this means is when you select the program to open I. You >> would pick >> Openbook but you do not have to do that anymore because of jaws >> 13. >> I do not remember how I put Openbook as an option in the >> programs list >> because it is not a default. >> If you would like more information on features for this software >> I copied >> a >> link. >> I am sorry I do not recall all of the detailed. >> What version of jaws are you using? If it is jaws 12 or higher >> you have >> built in OCR and do not need any of this. >> Open a PDF, let it load and use your Jaws reading keys. >> I am sorry I did not ask the jaws version question befor because >> that >> could >> save a lot of work. >> >> Best >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 2:35 PM, "justin williams" >> > wrote: >> >> How is it doen with open book? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Bridget >> Walker >> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's >> >> Hi, >> Open-book is pretty good or other scanning software with built >> in OCR. >> Or download Zella PDF but that only converts to txt. >> Are you using a PDF reader? Are you using Adobe? >> If I recall Adobe versions nine and up is compatible with jaws >> 12 and >> up because of the added jaws OCR feature >> >> I hope this helps, >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Kayla Weathers >> > wrote: >> >> Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible >> pdf's to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >> Thanks, Kayla >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgeta >> walk >> e >> r13%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.w >> illia >> ms2%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgeta >> walke >> r13%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.w >> illiams2%40 >> gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle7 >> 1%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%4 >> 0cocenter.o >> rg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworm >> ahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tubacooc >> h%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org > From freethaught at gmail.com Sun Jun 16 19:08:55 2013 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:08:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Two roommates looking for the same Message-ID: From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jun 16 19:13:23 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:13:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Two roommates looking for the same In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-4205103438188282745@unknownmsgid> Antonio, This message came to us blank. Could you resend with information on the roommate criteria and the person to contact? Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote: > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From freethaught at gmail.com Sun Jun 16 19:48:19 2013 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:48:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Two roommates looking for the same In-Reply-To: <-4205103438188282745@unknownmsgid> References: <-4205103438188282745@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <8F3902B5-C26B-4F3F-BCB0-26FE21A1132A@gmail.com> Sure can. Sorry about the blank message. Make that three room mates looking for a male roommate. The break down: We will be in a group of two males on the evenings of Saturday, June 29 to July 8. There will be a third person added on Monday July 1 through the evening of July three. We are all male. We do not have a reservation so we need a person who has a reservation. Contact me by email or phone. Antonio Guimaraes freethaught at gmail.com or (617) 744-9716. Antonio M Guimaraes Jr. On Jun 16, 2013, at 15:13, christopher nusbaum wrote: > Antonio, > > This message came to us blank. Could you resend with information on > the roommate criteria and the person to contact? > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 16, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote: > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Sun Jun 16 21:29:10 2013 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:29:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea Message-ID: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com> Good evening fellow students, I have an idea which is been rolling around my head. If my idea is totally off the mark feel free to say so. I'm also open to constructive feedback. I understand the students we are extremely busy especially during the semester. As most of you may know, the blind parents division Created a handbook which can be distributed to anyone who is interested in topics related to blind parents. I have found it to be a very helpful resource to pass out to sighted people who have questions about how I do things as a parent who is blind. Could we All work together to create a similar handbook? This handbook could be distributed to universities or even rehab agencies. It's something such as this already exists, I'd be interested in checking out the resource. If not, we could Discuss general student needs. I'm pretty sure there is a broader scope of students that we haven't reached especially those were not on the listserv. What do you all think? I'm curious to hear feedback. Thanks for reading and entertaining this idea. Sent from Anjelina's iPhone From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sun Jun 16 21:42:11 2013 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:42:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea In-Reply-To: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com> References: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C7FDFDEA72B4BB1B2ADA902C8F7B106@userPC> I think that's a good idea! Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:29 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea Good evening fellow students, I have an idea which is been rolling around my head. If my idea is totally off the mark feel free to say so. I'm also open to constructive feedback. I understand the students we are extremely busy especially during the semester. As most of you may know, the blind parents division Created a handbook which can be distributed to anyone who is interested in topics related to blind parents. I have found it to be a very helpful resource to pass out to sighted people who have questions about how I do things as a parent who is blind. Could we All work together to create a similar handbook? This handbook could be distributed to universities or even rehab agencies. It's something such as this already exists, I'd be interested in checking out the resource. If not, we could Discuss general student needs. I'm pretty sure there is a broader scope of students that we haven't reached especially those were not on the listserv. What do you all think? I'm curious to hear feedback. Thanks for reading and entertaining this idea. Sent from Anjelina's iPhone _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma il.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Jun 16 22:14:54 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:14:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea In-Reply-To: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com> References: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01ce6ade$ee51df30$caf59d90$@gmail.com> That's great. Outstanding. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:29 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea Good evening fellow students, I have an idea which is been rolling around my head. If my idea is totally off the mark feel free to say so. I'm also open to constructive feedback. I understand the students we are extremely busy especially during the semester. As most of you may know, the blind parents division Created a handbook which can be distributed to anyone who is interested in topics related to blind parents. I have found it to be a very helpful resource to pass out to sighted people who have questions about how I do things as a parent who is blind. Could we All work together to create a similar handbook? This handbook could be distributed to universities or even rehab agencies. It's something such as this already exists, I'd be interested in checking out the resource. If not, we could Discuss general student needs. I'm pretty sure there is a broader scope of students that we haven't reached especially those were not on the listserv. What do you all think? I'm curious to hear feedback. Thanks for reading and entertaining this idea. Sent from Anjelina's iPhone _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From sparklylicious at gmail.com Sun Jun 16 23:37:07 2013 From: sparklylicious at gmail.com (Hannah Chadwick) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:37:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible IPhone Games Message-ID: <005401ce6aea$6be19340$43a4b9c0$@gmail.com> Hello all, I don't usually play games on my IPhone because school keeps me super busy. Now that summer is here and I have a little bit of free time amidst some summer classes, I was wondering what kinds of fun as well as educational accessible games there are that are compatible with voiceover? Thanks in advance and I look forward to reading your responses! Best, Hannah Chadwick University of California, Davis CA From valandkayla at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 00:01:34 2013 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 18:01:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible IPhone Games In-Reply-To: <005401ce6aea$6be19340$43a4b9c0$@gmail.com> References: <005401ce6aea$6be19340$43a4b9c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I personally love the game lords and knights, and think every gamer should give it a shot. :) Having emailed the developer on accessibility, i can say they are excellent at doing what they can for VOICEover users On Jun 16, 2013, at 5:37 PM, "Hannah Chadwick" wrote: > Hello all, > I don't usually play games on my IPhone because school keeps me super busy. > Now that summer is here and I have a little bit of free time amidst some > summer classes, I was wondering what kinds of fun as well as educational > accessible games there are that are compatible with voiceover? > Thanks in advance and I look forward to reading your responses! > Best, Hannah Chadwick > University of California, Davis CA > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 00:17:35 2013 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:17:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible IPhone Games In-Reply-To: References: <005401ce6aea$6be19340$43a4b9c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54FDC25D70194752ABDFD4C2606956D8@BrandonsLaptop2> Hello, Go to applevis and click on the games category. There you will see games and comments on the games about game play and accessibility. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs -----Original Message----- From: Valerie Gibson Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible IPhone Games I personally love the game lords and knights, and think every gamer should give it a shot. :) Having emailed the developer on accessibility, i can say they are excellent at doing what they can for VOICEover users On Jun 16, 2013, at 5:37 PM, "Hannah Chadwick" wrote: > Hello all, > I don't usually play games on my IPhone because school keeps me super > busy. > Now that summer is here and I have a little bit of free time amidst some > summer classes, I was wondering what kinds of fun as well as educational > accessible games there are that are compatible with voiceover? > Thanks in advance and I look forward to reading your responses! > Best, Hannah Chadwick > University of California, Davis CA > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From treyman19 at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 05:10:07 2013 From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 01:10:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a few things that some of you may be interested in. Message-ID: Hi I have a few things that some of you may be interested in. the first thing is a iPhone 4 16 GB Verizon, It is in mid to good condition. I am wanting to get a iPhone 5 so that is why I am selling this phone. I am asking $100 I also have a Ipod touch 4 Generation, it is a eight GB iPod Touch. It is in good to mid condition I am asking $100 and if some one buys both of them I will sell it to you for $150 instead of $200 so that means that you can get both of them for $150 if you buy both at the same time. I also have a used Pac-Mate Omni that is in mid condition it needs a little work to it. I will come with a charger a 4 GB compact flash Card and a Bluetooth Compact flash card. it is the BX model and the problem with the machine is that four of the F keys will not go down all the way. I am asking $150 but I am willing to go down to $100. I also have a Duxbury License for $400 it works great with all Embossers. I also have a Acer 15 inch laptop I got it in October of 2011 and it works great. I paid $800 it is in good condition. Here are the specks I5 processor the processor speed is 2.4 GHZ but it have a Turbo Booster that boost the processor's speed up to 2.9 GHZ, 4 GB of RAM, it is upgradable up to Eight GB of Ram, Six cell battery that can last up to 5 hours, webcam, DVD cd burner, full keyboard, with Numberpad, three usb ports, one HDMI port, one SGA port, One ether Net port, One SD card slot, One microphone Jack One headphone Jack, 435 GB Harddrive, WIFI GBN this computer is a great running computer. it will come with Charger. I am asking $450 but am willing to work something out with you. read below for my contact information. Thank you so much. phone number 219-789-7073 email address treyman19 at gmail.com -- Roosevelt Bradley From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 15:32:11 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:32:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS presents: It's All About Convention 2013! Message-ID: <0E782496-CF4B-41C8-90AB-0143EC9389FF@gmail.com> Introducing the Nabs Membership call for June: "It's All About Convention!" Whether you have been to the National Federation of the Blind's National Convention before or this year will be your first time going, come and hear all about what makes convention fun, informative and an experience you will most likely never forget! In addition, hear what events the National Association of Blind Students will be taking part in and how you can help. Bring your convention experiences and questions! When: Wednesday, June 19, 8:00 PM Eastern. Where: Conference call: 605)475-6700, Access Code: 7869673. Your Nabs Membership Committee Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From sjhhirst at gmail.com Mon Jun 17 17:22:19 2013 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:22:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] funding graduate school was Young Professionals Division Message-ID: I wanted to just mention that Dr. Mauer said that Voc Rehab is supposed to pay for school to your terminal degree needed for your chosen vocation. Also, there seems to be enough interest in a young professionals division / committee / thing that I would propose having it on the agenda for the NABS meeting in Orlando. In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 From freethaught at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 03:00:56 2013 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 23:00:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Bookshare in Kurzweil Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to download books from bookshare in Kurzweil 1000, and I am repeatedly getting a "cannot read internet file" message. Any thoughts? Antonio From louvins at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 05:27:19 2013 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 00:27:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Bookshare in Kurzweil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Antonio. What exactly do youmean by download? I know you can search for books from bookshare in kurzweil, if this is what you mean, I have never gotten this to work. However, it could be because my version isn't a legit copy. But, I do know bookshare has changed over the past few years as far as their website goes. I'd suggest just getting your books directly from the bookshare website, then unzipping, and just opening the books directly with Kurzweil, then you could convert your books to mp3 audio, or just read the books using your kurzweil, or the program fs reader will also read the bookshare books very well. I hope this helps. On 6/17/13, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to download books from bookshare in Kurzweil 1000, and I am > repeatedly getting a "cannot read internet file" message. > > Any thoughts? > > Antonio > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > -- Joshua T Hendrickson From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Tue Jun 18 06:27:31 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 02:27:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic Message-ID: Hi all, I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told us that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that we need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you know, The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually Impaired College Students?” I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in order to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was just wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts and evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination really happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow before writing this research Paper: Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of each source] Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile this initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources in MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final research paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a short [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. Your bibliography must include the following: § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it doesn’t matter). § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the library’s databases. § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not contain user-generated content* § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, Newsweek, The Sun Sentinel, etc.) You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the criteria listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full text found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, you should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, but .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher education. So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching on my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to prove my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for listening and for your time. God bless. Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list if you like? my email address is helga.schreiber at hotmail.com From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Jun 18 13:30:16 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:30:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know that the NFB is helping with a lawsuit concerning a college student in Arizona at Mesa College one of the Mricopa Community colleges. His English instructor did not want to have a blind person in her class and dropped him form the course. I have not noticed any yet since returning to school last January. Back in the mid 90s I was attending San Deigo Statue University studying computer science. I was getting A's. I am legally blind so I was using large print for exams in the classroom, used monocular and was quite independent in my courses. I went to speak with the dean about possible changing my degree to computational science and was told "I can't imagine any job you could do". A few years before that I was in a Computer Science and Information Systems certificate program at a community college. This program was sponsored by IBM. CA Voc Rehab and the college. The program was for persons with disabilities and we had our own classroom with all the assitive technology, signers for the deaf student etc. Each student was assigned a mentor form the business advisory group. In my first phone conversation with my mentor, he said, "How can you be a programmer if you can't see?"It was a condescending tone and one I knew was not to understand "how". He was rude and I knew no matter what I said he would not believe someone with a visual impairment could work as a programmer. I was the only student of the 25 to get a 4.0 in the program yet just hearing I was visually impaired automatically umped to the conclusion I could not do it. Suzanne On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Helga Schreiber < helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told us > that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested > on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that we > need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the > name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you know, > The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually Impaired > College Students?” > I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in order > to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since > one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I > just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still > experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was just > wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts and > evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination really > happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would > like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, > you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use > your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? > In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research > paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this > topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow > before writing this research Paper: > Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of each > source] > > > > Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some > preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile this > initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources in > MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final research > paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a short > [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. > > > > Your bibliography must include the following: > > > > § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it > doesn’t matter). > > § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the > library’s databases. > > § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not > contain user-generated content* > > § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine > produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, Newsweek, > The Sun Sentinel, etc.) > > > > You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the criteria > listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., > newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full text > found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may > not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, > Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the > information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, you > should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, but > .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the > information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher > education. > > > > So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my > research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as > well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching on > my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with > your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to prove > my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you > think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for > listening and for your time. God bless. > > Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber > > P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list > if you like? my email address is > > helga.schreiber at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Tue Jun 18 13:49:11 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:49:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. I just would like to ask you, would you allow me to use your story that you wrote me right now for my research paper? Just let me know? Thanks and God bless. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic I know that the NFB is helping with a lawsuit concerning a college student in Arizona at Mesa College one of the Mricopa Community colleges. His English instructor did not want to have a blind person in her class and dropped him form the course. I have not noticed any yet since returning to school last January. Back in the mid 90s I was attending San Deigo Statue University studying computer science. I was getting A's. I am legally blind so I was using large print for exams in the classroom, used monocular and was quite independent in my courses. I went to speak with the dean about possible changing my degree to computational science and was told "I can't imagine any job you could do". A few years before that I was in a Computer Science and Information Systems certificate program at a community college. This program was sponsored by IBM. CA Voc Rehab and the college. The program was for persons with disabilities and we had our own classroom with all the assitive technology, signers for the deaf student etc. Each student was assigned a mentor form the business advisory group. In my first phone conversation with my mentor, he said, "How can you be a programmer if you can't see?"It was a condescending tone and one I knew was not to understand "how". He was rude and I knew no matter what I said he would not believe someone with a visual impairment could work as a programmer. I was the only student of the 25 to get a 4.0 in the program yet just hearing I was visually impaired automatically umped to the conclusion I could not do it. Suzanne On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Helga Schreiber < helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told us > that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested > on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that we > need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the > name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you know, > The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually Impaired > College Students?” > I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in order > to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since > one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I > just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still > experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was just > wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts > and > evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination > really > happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would > like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, > you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use > your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? > In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research > paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this > topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow > before writing this research Paper: > Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of each > source] > > > > Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some > preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile > this > initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources > in > MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final > research > paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a short > [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. > > > > Your bibliography must include the following: > > > > § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it > doesn’t matter). > > § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the > library’s databases. > > § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not > contain user-generated content* > > § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine > produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, Newsweek, > The Sun Sentinel, etc.) > > > > You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the criteria > listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., > newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full text > found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may > not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, > Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the > information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, you > should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, but > .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the > information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher > education. > > > > So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my > research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as > well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching > on > my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with > your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to > prove > my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you > think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for > listening and for your time. God bless. > > Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber > > P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list > if you like? my email address is > > helga.schreiber at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Jun 18 13:53:12 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 06:53:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Of course you can. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Helga Schreiber < helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. I just would like to ask you, would you allow > me to use your story that you wrote me right now for my research paper? > Just let me know? Thanks and God bless. > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic > > I know that the NFB is helping with a lawsuit concerning a college student > in Arizona at Mesa College one of the Mricopa Community colleges. His > English instructor did not want to have a blind person in her class and > dropped him form the course. > > I have not noticed any yet since returning to school last January. Back in > the mid 90s I was attending San Deigo Statue University studying computer > science. I was getting A's. I am legally blind so I was using large print > for exams in the classroom, used monocular and was quite independent in my > courses. I went to speak with the dean about possible changing my degree to > computational science and was told "I can't imagine any job you could do". > A few years before that I was in a Computer Science and Information Systems > certificate program at a community college. This program was sponsored by > IBM. CA Voc Rehab and the college. The program was for persons with > disabilities and we had our own classroom with all the assitive technology, > signers for the deaf student etc. Each student was assigned a mentor form > the business advisory group. In my first phone conversation with my mentor, > he said, "How can you be a programmer if you can't see?"It was a > condescending tone and one I knew was not to understand "how". He was rude > and I knew no matter what I said he would not believe someone with a visual > impairment could work as a programmer. I was the only student of the 25 to > get a 4.0 in the program yet just hearing I was visually impaired > automatically umped to the conclusion I could not do it. > > Suzanne > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Helga Schreiber < > helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, >> I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told us >> that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested >> on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that we >> need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the >> name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you know, >> The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually Impaired >> College Students?” >> I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in order >> to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since >> one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I >> just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still >> experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was just >> wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts >> and >> evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination >> really >> happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would >> like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, >> you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use >> your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? >> In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research >> paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this >> topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow >> before writing this research Paper: >> Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of each >> source] >> >> >> >> Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some >> preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile >> this >> initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources >> in >> MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final >> research >> paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a short >> [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. >> >> >> >> Your bibliography must include the following: >> >> >> >> § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it >> doesn’t matter). >> >> § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the >> library’s databases. >> >> § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not >> contain user-generated content* >> >> § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine >> produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, Newsweek, >> The Sun Sentinel, etc.) >> >> >> >> You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the criteria >> listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., >> newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full text >> found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may >> not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, >> Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the >> information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, you >> should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, but >> .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the >> information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher >> education. >> >> >> >> So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my >> research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as >> well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching >> on >> my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with >> your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to >> prove >> my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you >> think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for >> listening and for your time. God bless. >> >> Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber >> >> P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list >> if you like? my email address is >> >> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** >> org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.**com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Tue Jun 18 14:08:43 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 10:08:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. I just would like to ask you, would you like me to use your name if I use your story? Just curious. Also, I just would like to ask you are you still experiencing descrimination issues right now? Just wondering. By the way you don't have to answer if you don't want to. Thanks and God bless. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:53 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic Of course you can. On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Helga Schreiber < helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. I just would like to ask you, would you allow > me to use your story that you wrote me right now for my research paper? > Just let me know? Thanks and God bless. > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic > > I know that the NFB is helping with a lawsuit concerning a college student > in Arizona at Mesa College one of the Mricopa Community colleges. His > English instructor did not want to have a blind person in her class and > dropped him form the course. > > I have not noticed any yet since returning to school last January. Back in > the mid 90s I was attending San Deigo Statue University studying computer > science. I was getting A's. I am legally blind so I was using large print > for exams in the classroom, used monocular and was quite independent in my > courses. I went to speak with the dean about possible changing my degree > to > computational science and was told "I can't imagine any job you could do". > A few years before that I was in a Computer Science and Information > Systems > certificate program at a community college. This program was sponsored by > IBM. CA Voc Rehab and the college. The program was for persons with > disabilities and we had our own classroom with all the assitive > technology, > signers for the deaf student etc. Each student was assigned a mentor form > the business advisory group. In my first phone conversation with my > mentor, > he said, "How can you be a programmer if you can't see?"It was a > condescending tone and one I knew was not to understand "how". He was rude > and I knew no matter what I said he would not believe someone with a > visual > impairment could work as a programmer. I was the only student of the 25 to > get a 4.0 in the program yet just hearing I was visually impaired > automatically umped to the conclusion I could not do it. > > Suzanne > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Helga Schreiber < > helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, >> I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told >> us >> that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested >> on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that we >> need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the >> name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you >> know, >> The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually Impaired >> College Students?” >> I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in >> order >> to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since >> one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I >> just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still >> experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was >> just >> wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts >> and >> evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination >> really >> happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would >> like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, >> you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use >> your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? >> In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research >> paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this >> topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow >> before writing this research Paper: >> Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of each >> source] >> >> >> >> Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some >> preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile >> this >> initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources >> in >> MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final >> research >> paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a >> short >> [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. >> >> >> >> Your bibliography must include the following: >> >> >> >> § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it >> doesn’t matter). >> >> § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the >> library’s databases. >> >> § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not >> contain user-generated content* >> >> § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine >> produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, Newsweek, >> The Sun Sentinel, etc.) >> >> >> >> You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the >> criteria >> listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., >> newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full >> text >> found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may >> not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, >> Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the >> information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, >> you >> should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, >> but >> .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the >> information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher >> education. >> >> >> >> So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my >> research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as >> well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching >> on >> my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with >> your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to >> prove >> my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you >> think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for >> listening and for your time. God bless. >> >> Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber >> >> P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list >> if you like? my email address is >> >> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** >> org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.**com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From freethaught at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 19:13:09 2013 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:13:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible IPhone Games In-Reply-To: <005401ce6aea$6be19340$43a4b9c0$@gmail.com> References: <005401ce6aea$6be19340$43a4b9c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Stem Stumper is a sound-based game, and accessible. The developer makes every effort to make his games accessible. Antonio On Jun 16, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote: > Hello all, > I don't usually play games on my IPhone because school keeps me super busy. > Now that summer is here and I have a little bit of free time amidst some > summer classes, I was wondering what kinds of fun as well as educational > accessible games there are that are compatible with voiceover? > Thanks in advance and I look forward to reading your responses! > Best, Hannah Chadwick > University of California, Davis CA > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From juanitatighan at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 19:20:14 2013 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 15:20:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible IPhone Games In-Reply-To: References: <005401ce6aea$6be19340$43a4b9c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Stem Stumper is also free as of yesterday. Jane On Jun 18, 2013, at 3:13 PM, "Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr." wrote: > Stem Stumper is a sound-based game, and accessible. > > The developer makes every effort to make his games accessible. > > Antonio > > On Jun 16, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote: > >> Hello all, >> I don't usually play games on my IPhone because school keeps me super busy. >> Now that summer is here and I have a little bit of free time amidst some >> summer classes, I was wondering what kinds of fun as well as educational >> accessible games there are that are compatible with voiceover? >> Thanks in advance and I look forward to reading your responses! >> Best, Hannah Chadwick >> University of California, Davis CA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com From weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com Tue Jun 18 23:54:39 2013 From: weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com (The weird writer) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:54:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] help advocate for the autonomous car in Illinois and other states. In-Reply-To: <51A04EC6.80307@gmail.com> References: <51A04EC6.80307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51C0F33F.2050409@gmail.com> can you help pass this onto people you know in Illinois? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: how to get automated vehicles approved on Illinois roads and highways Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:06:51 -0400 From: harry brown To: Hi Robert, I can't thank you enough for the great phone call a bit ago! Well, are you ready for Illinois to become hopefully, the 4th state for the automated vehicles? Here's how you're gonna do it: 1. First, ask your local library who your state Rep. and your state Senator are, and get the names and phone numbers for both of them. Then, call both of them, and tell them you want to see them introduce a bill allowing automated vehicles, (don't use the term driverless cars, or autonomous vehicles), on Illinois roads to be tested. Then, give them both, this list of benefits. By the way, have copies of the list on hand and give them out to people when you're out and about, and the subject of automated vehicles comes up. This way, anyone you come in contact with, will be able to be educated about the automated vehicle! So, you've got my phone number, 810-984-3259. You'll see that in the list of benefits as well. So, be sure to keep in touch, as we go forward with the new bill becoming law. I can also help you with the committee process as well. First, the bill will be introduced, then, refered probably to the transportation committee, and that's a great start for it! You take care, Yours for accident elimination on Ill. roads, Harry Brown, PS, the list of benefits is below! Benefits of automated vehicles by Harry Brown June 18, 2013 to all on the transportation committee: Today, before you all, is a bill that will radically, change the streets and roads of Illinois, forever, and in a great way! Today, you will all have a chance to eliminate vehicle accidents, let people travel at *MUCH* faster speeds, give mobility to all who have no mobility, and make sure that no more Illinois citizens are injured or killed in any vehicle accidents, and that, my friends, is a very important thing! What are the benefits of these vehicles? 1. All vehicle accidents will be eliminated! 2. We will also be able to get rid of the need for bumpers, thus making the vehicles cheaper to buy, and lighter in weight! 3. These vehicles will drive through fog, blizzards, whiteouts, rain storms, smoke, etc., because humans are limited in their vision, and these vehicles won't have that limitation! The snow plows used by the Minnesota Department of Transportation, (MnDOT), already drive themselves in snow storms. 4. These vehicles will also give the elderly, and folks with disabilities independence, because more and more people are getting older, and will have sight problems, or have strokes, or other disabilities and won't be able to see, or move hands or feet to drive a car, etc. They won't want to have to buy a new car because of lack of income, so they will just have a conversion kit put on to their current vehicle by the auto dealer, or auto companies themselves, so the vehicle will drive itself. It'll save them money but still give them their much desired independence! As one man told me, “It is reassuring to know that as I age, I will not have to rely on the help of younger people for traveling. This vehicle will spare me the expense of hiring a driver!” 5. For those of us who want to get there, right now, trips in these vehicles, anywhere in north America, will take only 1 3rd as much time, for trips between cities, which we use to drive on expressways for long trips, because with all vehicles being able to drive between cities, being able to drive themselves automatically, we will up the speed limit, to 200 MPH, equals 320 km-h between cities. It does all of what I just mentioned, and the self-driving part also works for local driving. The self-driving part of the vehicle will drive at current local speeds for local driving. It will be driving itself, therefore, local vehicle driving speeds will be perfectly controlled, as well as spacing between vehicles, because these vehicles will drive themselves at current local speeds. They will stop at intersections on local roads and streets. They will be spaced apart, so they wouldn't have to stop so suddenly. 6. People will be able to talk on a cell phone, text, reach or lean any way they want, eat, drink, shave, put on makeup, comb their hair, sleep, read books, and write letters. People will be able to hold, and cuddle with, their children! Mothers will be able to nurse their babies, giving More time for them to bond with their babies! People will be able to tend to children in the back seat, or do other things such as adjust the radio, find another CD to play, talk with each other inside the vehicle, send faxes, adjust the air conditioning, watch TV, do office work, surf the web, use their I Pad, play games, get on face book, enjoy the view outside their window, looking at the things that now distract, such as buildings, scenery, pedestrians, advertising posters, parked vehicles, clouds They will also be able to listen to music with their eyes closed, knit, tweet, and read tweets, hang out with people in their vehicle, etc., you name it. A man from California told me, “Boy would I love to have the car drive itself locally, and on longer trips, and have time to read instead. I’d be one of the first to line up to buy this!” Notice that all those things are things that currently distract, and cause accidents. However, these things won’t be distractions anymore, because people won’t be driving the vehicle, because the vehicle will be driving itself locally, and be driving itself on longer trips! This automated vehicle will eliminate all things that cause accidents which happen today! 7. No more roadway departure crashes! 8. No more rollover accidents, so, we can get rid of the roll over cage which is currently on vehicles, thus making the vehicles even cheaper to buy, and lighter to move! 9. No more rear end crashes! 10. No more lane change crashes, so, we will get rid of mirrors which currently are needed on vehicles, thus making them even cheaper to buy, lighter in weight, and faster to move! 11. No more intersection crashes! 12. No more head on collisions! 13. No more drunk driving accidents because vehicles will drive themselves locally, and drive themselves between cities on longer trips. There will be no more arrests for drunk driving, and our county jails will be less crowded! Now folks, just think about that particular point, 2 problems eliminated! 14. No more deaths and injuries will occur, because of vehicle accidents! 15. No more SUV roll over deaths! 16. No more new roads will need to be built, because vehicles will drive themselves and avoid congestion, saving billions of dollars at the state and federal levels! 17. No more driver distractions, and no more arrests for distracted driving! 18. No more road rage, and no more arrests for road rage! 19. Driver stress will be done away with! 20. Pollution will not exist because the flow of traffic will be continuous and folks will get to their destinations *MUCH* faster! 21. Congestion on local roads will no longer exist, cutting travel times in half or more! 22. No more tail gating! 23. No more problems driving with sun glare! 24. Better utilization of roads! 25. Improved traffic flow! 26. Freight will get to market 3 times faster than it does today! 27. No more delays in traffic when going from 1 place to another! 28. People will still have their independence as they have always wanted because that's why they have always bought vehicles instead of taking public transportation! 29. No protection of passengers from impact will need to be built into these vehicles, because impact from accidents won't occur, so vehicles will be even cheaper to buy, and lighter in weight! 30. Passengers won't need to wear seat belts anymore, so they won’t be put into vehicles, making them even cheaper to buy, and lighter in weight! 31. Passenger safety systems inside the vehicle won't be needed, making the vehicle lighter in weight, and even cheaper to buy! 32. Hospitalization, medical, surgical, and rehabilitation costs due to vehicle accidents will cease, so, medical costs as a whole will drop dramatically! 33. Law suits over traffic accidents will be no more! 34. All people will be transported door to door! 35. There will be no more careless drivers on the roads, and no more arrests for careless driving, because the vehicles will drive themselves! 36. No more traffic jams! 37. No more construction of new roads and expressways, which so many of us complain about, thus saving billions of dollars that were in the past, budgeted for new road construction! The reason we won’t need expressways is, the automated vehicle will drive itself at a very fast speed on long trips, and vehicles will be closer together in spacing, making better use of expressways, so we won't need new ones. 38. No more gridlock! 39. No more problems with drivers failing to yield the right of way, and no more arrests for failing to yield! 40. No more problems with drivers disregarding traffic signals! 41. No more problems with inattentive drivers, because the vehicles will drive themselves! 42. There won't be a need for accident riders for car insurance, because there won't be any more accidents, thus auto insurance policies will be *MUCH* cheaper, with costs for premiums dropping by 90 to 95%! 43. Because these vehicles will be automated, they will provide transportation to large and small towns regardless how bad the weather is, so, your plans will never have to be put on hold! 44. There won’t be a need for volunteer drivers anymore, since vehicles themselves will drive those people who can’t drive themselves, which is a fantastic thing, because just ask people who need volunteer drivers if they have a hard time finding someone to do it, and they will tell you it’s very difficult to find volunteer drivers, so they just don’t go anywhere. Now, this problem will finally, be a thing of the past! 45. There will not be a need for drivers training, because the vehicles will do the driving and not people. This will save school districts money! 46. No more hit and run accidents, because the vehicles see any pedestrians who are on the roads, and, no more arrests for hit and run! 47. No more vehicle animal accidents! 48. No more traffic arrests, so, police and sheriff’s departments will be able to get rid of their traffic divisions, saving cities and counties millions of dollars! 49. Much less wear and tear on all vehicles. 50. You’ll be able to save huge amounts of time in your travels! 51. No more traffic tickets! 52. Traveling will be more pleasant! So many folks have told me, “Harry, when I drive, I have to be on pins and needles, ready to slam on the brakes at anytime, because I never know what will happen next, and this way, I can just completely relax, and let my vehicle do the driving, locally, and, for long distance trips, never having to drive myself, again!” 53. People will be able to be much more social, because many people are home bound and can’t drive today, and that number of people will be going up, as we all get older. 54. People who are fearful of driving, will be completely over that fear, because they will no longer have to do the driving, because the vehicle will do it for them! 55. One motor cyclist said, “”This is great! Left turns will be guided by radar, and not by human eyes, thus eliminating motorcycle/vehicle accidents!”” 56. No more drivers racing on our expressways, local roads, and streets on the way to a destination! 57. No more blind spots when passing, or pulling out into a street or road, or pulling out into an intersection, like happens today, which causes accidents. 58. All vehicles will be going the speed limit, whether for local driving, or on long distance trips between cities, so you won’t be passing anybody that is driving under the speed limit locally, like happens today! 59. Traffic will always behave predictably, and not erratically, because vehicles will be automated, and not driven by human beings who drive erratically. 60. Law enforcement and other emergency personnel, will not have to devote *ANY* time dealing with traffic situations or accidents, because the vehicles will never speed, never go through a red light, never go through a stop sign, and they will never cause an accident at 4way stops, because it will know if it’s clear to go or not! 61. No more accidents due to timid drivers, who are afraid to merge into high speed traffic, because the automated vehicle will do the merging for them! 62. Accidents that happen because of people blacking out, going into a diabetic shock, having a heart attack, having a stroke, or sleeping at the wheel, will no longer happen! 63. Since these vehicles will drive themselves, 100% of the time, we will get rid of department of motor vehicles, (DMV), because you won’t need a license to drive, because the vehicle will drive, and not a human! Instead, everybody will have a state ID. 64. With this vehicle, it will not be able to be blown up by terrorists, because you, your family, and people you travel with, will be the only ones in it. for groups of people, the same thing, because the only people who will be allowed to ride in it will be members of that particular group. 65. No more stop signs and stoplights will be needed! We will be able to eliminate all stoplights, and all stop signs, because at all intersections, when there are conflicting vehicles, (meaning 1 vehicle on 1 street, and another vehicle on the other street), the vehicle that gets to the intersection *first*, will have priority. All vehicles will be programmed by the auto makers to give *first priority*, to the vehicle at the intersection first. So, if your vehicle gets there first, you’ll not have to stop and wait, but, if your vehicle gets there second, third, etc., your vehicle will wait to give vehicles who are there before your vehicle, the priority to go. This is called 1st arrival, 1st departure. 66. All vehicles will also know when police, fire, or EMS is coming through, and *they*, will always have priority over all vehicles. All vehicles will automatically pull over to allow the police, fire, or EMS vehicles to get through. This vehicle cooperation will be a binding commitment between vehicles. This kind of preprogrammed commitment between vehicles will not be able to be broken. The only vehicles that will be able to go through intersections and not wait, will be fire, police, and EMS. Vehicle to vehicle communications has not yet been used to bind 2 conflicting vehicles at an intersection. That still has to be done, and testing completed. I am working with the folks at the University of Missouri at Kansas City, who are testing this technology, but it is coming! Also, the NHTSA, (stands for National Highway Traffic Safety Administration), is also doing V to V tests in Michigan, and the tests are going perfectly. 67. No more Amtrak in the U.S., and no more Via Rail in Canada, saving millions of dollars, because these vehicles will drive people between places in north America, *MUCH FASTER* than Amtrak, or Via Rail, at 200 MPH, compared to trains which travel at 110 MPH, and these vehicles will drive you, door to door! 68. We'll get rid of the federal railroad administration, saving the federal government millions of dollars. We also won’t need high speed rail, saving the federal government billions of dollars. 69. No more property damage because of out of control vehicles. 70. Elimination of people becoming disabled because of being in vehicle accidents. 71. We will eliminate auto no-fault for future accidents, but people who currently are cared for because of no-fault will still be taken care of. We won’t need no-fault for new clients who are injured in accidents, because there will be no more auto accidents! 72. Automated vehicles will use road shoulders, as more lanes for traffic. 73. These vehicles will avoid pot holes, yes, you read that right, this is *NOT* a typo! That technology is on the Mercedes Benzes, and it will be on all vehicles, soon! So, folks, you have a chance to make history, let's do it! If you need to talk to me, at any time in the process, please call me at 810-984-3259. If I'm out, please leave a message, and I'll call you back. Also, my email address is wd8oep2464 at sbcglobal.net Sincerely, Yours for much safer, faster, transportation Harry Brown From member at linkedin.com Wed Jun 19 05:44:59 2013 From: member at linkedin.com (Lanie Molinar) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 05:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Eric, let's connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <519965118.17760598.1371620699469.JavaMail.app@ela4-bed77.prod> LinkedIn ------------ Lanie Molinar has indicated you are a Friend ------------------------------------------ Since you are a person I trust, I wanted to invite you to join my network on LinkedIn. 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From catherine.1966 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 19 09:05:11 2013 From: catherine.1966 at yahoo.com (Catherine Newman) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 02:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Catherine Newman Message-ID: <1371632711.89321.YahooMailNeo@web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> http://thedailycommute.bemycanada.com/raeudua/oscjd/kfne/islqz/emzwo/wglra/ubsup.htm Best regards, Catherine Newman From kayleigh281 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 19 11:29:49 2013 From: kayleigh281 at yahoo.com (Kayleigh Joiner) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 04:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Kayleigh Joiner Message-ID: <1371641389.17227.YahooMailNeo@web163006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> How are you? Kayleigh Joiner From lholmes at gabstudents.org Wed Jun 19 15:23:38 2013 From: lholmes at gabstudents.org (LaKeisha Holmes) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:23:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Roommates needed Message-ID: <74C76FDC-A228-47EE-AAC8-BF9172DF9A1C@gabstudents.org> Good morning everyone, I hope all is well. If you know of anyone who may need a roommate for the upcoming national convention in Orlando; can you please shoot me an email. I have two females who are looking for one or two roommates for their room. Thanks, LaKeisha Sent from my iPhone From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 19:40:19 2013 From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:40:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Roommates needed In-Reply-To: <74C76FDC-A228-47EE-AAC8-BF9172DF9A1C@gabstudents.org> References: <74C76FDC-A228-47EE-AAC8-BF9172DF9A1C@gabstudents.org> Message-ID: <82950F57-3FBC-4E74-BDD6-EE766D20631D@gmail.com> Hey KeeKee, I am not sure if you are helping the same two people that I am. But I know Quantella and Shakeita need room mates for convention And I told them that I would watch out for some. Tamika Sent from my iPhone On Jun 19, 2013, at 10:23 AM, LaKeisha Holmes wrote: > Good morning everyone, > I hope all is well. If you know of anyone who may need a roommate for the upcoming national convention in Orlando; can you please shoot me an email. I have two females who are looking for one or two roommates for their room. > Thanks, > LaKeisha > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Jun 19 22:32:50 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:32:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS presents: It's All About Convention 2013! In-Reply-To: <0E782496-CF4B-41C8-90AB-0143EC9389FF@gmail.com> References: <0E782496-CF4B-41C8-90AB-0143EC9389FF@gmail.com> Message-ID: In case a reminder is needed > Introducing the Nabs Membership call for June: "It's All About Convention!" > Whether you have been to the National Federation of the Blind's > National Convention before or this year will be your first time going, > come and hear all about what makes convention fun, informative and an > experience you will most likely never forget! In addition, hear what > events the National Association of Blind Students will be taking part > in and how you can help. Bring your convention experiences and > questions! > > When: Wednesday, June 19, 8:00 PM Eastern. > Where: Conference call: 605)475-6700, Access Code: 7869673. > > Your Nabs Membership Committee > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 > Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 00:17:12 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 17:17:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Convention Call in progress Message-ID: <4275DF9B-D18B-4C0D-8817-2BF47811794C@gmail.com> Hiall, just a note that the convention call is going on right now. If you want in on the action please call (605) 475-6700 code: 7869673 Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From louvins at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 12:19:28 2013 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 07:19:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: URGENT: Bookshare Needs Your Help In-Reply-To: References: <8D0293DCD1394E7-D24-267B3@webmail-m298.sysops.aol.com> <0B10F843-D154-4418-8CD3-9808F9DDE8CF@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello to all. For those of you who have not still signed the pitition on the whitehouse website because of the captia, that problem has been dealt with, and the pitition has been made accessible. The link to sign the whitehouse pitition to help the treaty for the blind is http://ow.ly/lkJVs. Good luck all. There are only a little over 12000 signatures on the pitition so far so any help you could give would increase the number of signatures if you haven't already signed the pitition. Thank you. On 5/27/13, Josh Gregory wrote: > I see, it might be worth looking into webvisum for this then. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 27, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Kaiti Shelton > wrote: > >> They're both important. The one on the NFB site is a collective ACB >> and NFB effort so that when they go to bat they can say they have X >> thousand amount of people in support of the cause. The one on the >> Whitehouse site will require that the congressional leaders close to >> Obama and Obama himself look at the issue, but we need 100,000 >> signatures in order for that to happen. They're both important and >> will eventually go to the same place, but getting the direct attention >> of the Whitehouse will only strengthen the NFB and ACB's efforts. >> >> On 5/27/13, Josh Gregory wrote: >>> I'm not sure but I think both petitions will still go to the same place. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 27, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Miso Kwak wrote: >>> >>>> This is for making president Obama be aware of the issue. >>>> I signed both so both blind community and White House community can have >>>> my signature. >>>> Miso >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Anna Givens >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Sent: Mon, May 27, 2013 3:05 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: URGENT: Bookshare Needs Your Help >>>> >>>> How is this different than the petition on nfb.org site? >>>> >>>> Anna >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On May 27, 2013, at 12:46 PM, "melissa Green" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I discovered that you have to create an account to sign the petition. >>>>> You must know that there is a captcha that has to be solved in order >>>> to >>>>> create an account. >>>>> *frustrated sigh* >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Melissa and Pj >>>>> "Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson >>>>> facebook Melissa R Green >>>>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >>>>> skype: lissa5674 >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Kathryn Webster" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:56 PM >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: URGENT: Bookshare Needs Your Help >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please create an account and sign this petition to help us! It only >>>> takes >>>>> two minutes and its focus is us :) thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>>> From: Bookshare >>>>>> Date: May 24, 2013, 8:05:59 PM EDT >>>>>> To: kathrynwebster at me.com >>>>>> Subject: URGENT: Bookshare Needs Your Help >>>>>> Reply-To: Bookshare >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Bookshare Supporter, >>>>>> >>>>>> It’s not typical for us to send you an email like this, but we felt >>>> this >>>>>> situation was so important it was necessary. >>>>>> >>>>>> You may already be aware, but for years negotiations have been >>>> moving >>>>>> forward on what many have come to call the "Treaty for the Blind." >>>> The >>>>>> goal of the international treaty is to make it possible for people >>>> who are >>>>>> blind, or have other print disabilities such as dyslexia, to get >>>> access to >>>>>> the books they need for education, employment and inclusion in >>>> society—no >>>>>> matter where they live. It's something we already do, with great >>>> success, >>>>>> in the United States through Bookshare. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, private interests are trying to alter the treaty in such a >>>> way >>>>>> that it would become useless—even harmful. For example, they’re >>>> trying to >>>>>> get language adopted that basically says: “if you can buy it, you >>>> can’t >>>>>> borrow it.” This is not only an attack on people around the world >>>> with >>>>>> print disabilities—it’s also an attack on libraries, like Bookshare, >>>> and >>>>>> could have a drastic effect on the number of books you have access >>>> to. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our biggest worry is this becoming a treaty that could stop >>>> Bookshare from >>>>>> serving our users in the United States the way we do today. We need >>>> our >>>>>> government negotiating for a treaty that supports a library like >>>>>> Bookshare. >>>>>> >>>>>> That’s why we’re working with a coalition of disability and library >>>>>> groups, including the National Federation of the Blind and the >>>> American >>>>>> Council of the Blind, to fight back against the proposed changes by >>>> these >>>>>> private interests. We’ll do everything we can to secure a treaty >>>> that both >>>>>> protects the access we have now and that will benefit people with >>>> print >>>>>> disabilities around the world—but we need your help. >>>>>> >>>>>> We’re asking you to take a moment to sign a petition on the White >>>> House’s >>>>>> website that urges the President to step up his support: >>>>>> http://ow.ly/lkJVs. If we can get to 100,000 signatures, the White >>>> House >>>>>> is required to respond to the petition and will, hopefully, take >>>> positive >>>>>> action. With your help we know we can reach that number. We also >>>>>> recommend the petition at the National Federation of the Blind’s >>>> site, >>>>>> which is particularly accessible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for your time and support. Together, we believe that our >>>>>> collective voice can make a real impact. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you’re interested in more background on the treaty, here are some >>>>>> articles and resources you can review: >>>>>> Huffington Post piece by Jim on how the treaty is being poisoned by >>>>>> private interests: >>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-fruchterman/poisoning-the-treaty-for-_b_3225181.html >>>>>> WIRED Magazine article that gives some recent updates on the treaty: >>>>>> http://ow.ly/lfP15 >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> Jim Fruchterman & Betsy Beaumon, Bookshare >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. Please post the link to the White House petition on your social >>>> media >>>>>> to help spread the word and get your friends involved! Again, here >>>> is the >>>>>> link: http://ow.ly/lkJVs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Note: this advocacy effort by Benetech, the nonprofit organization >>>> that >>>>>> operates Bookshare, has not been supported or endorsed by Bookshare >>>>>> funders, including the U.S. Department of Education. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Click to view this email in a browser >>>>>> >>>>>> If you no longer wish to receive these emails, please reply to this >>>>>> message with "Unsubscribe" in the subject line or simply click on >>>> the >>>>>> following link: Unsubscribe >>>>>> Benetech >>>>>> 480 S. California Ave., Suite 201 >>>>>> Palo Alto, California 94306 >>>>>> US >>>>>> Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > -- Joshua T Hendrickson From hope.paulos at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 15:00:42 2013 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:00:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Robo braille Message-ID: Hello all! Can anyone tell me if it is possible to prints to a Braille embossed using Robo braille? If so, how do I do this? Thanks! Hope Sent from my iPhone From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 15:09:37 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:09:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Robo braille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <414533911937267198@unknownmsgid> Hope, When you get the email with the converted file from Robo braille, you can import that file into Duxbury or a similar Braille translation software and emboss it with your Braille embosser using that program. Hope this helps, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Hope Paulos wrote: > Hello all! Can anyone tell me if it is possible to prints to a Braille embossed using Robo braille? If so, how do I do this? > Thanks! > Hope > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dburke at cocenter.org Thu Jun 20 20:10:59 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:10:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Robo braille In-Reply-To: <414533911937267198@unknownmsgid> References: <414533911937267198@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <007e01ce6df2$490c9e40$db25dac0$@cocenter.org> I believe that .brf is one of the formats that you can receive from RoboBraille. Don't know if it's the most effective translation, but it's one shortcut if you don't have Duxbury or Kurzweil or Open Book. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher nusbaum Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:10 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Robo braille Hope, When you get the email with the converted file from Robo braille, you can import that file into Duxbury or a similar Braille translation software and emboss it with your Braille embosser using that program. Hope this helps, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Hope Paulos wrote: > Hello all! Can anyone tell me if it is possible to prints to a Braille embossed using Robo braille? If so, how do I do this? > Thanks! > Hope > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.o rg From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Jun 20 21:13:41 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 14:13:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Whitehouse WIPO Petition: The power of sharing Message-ID: Hi NABS, I spent 5 minutes this morning posting the WIPO petition to my Facebook wall and to relevant groups that I am a member of. Since that point, 5 of my friends liked it, and 3 others have shared it. I think that for not very many minutes, we can all share this opportunity with our networks, and some of our network will think it important enough to share it too. Although we have a long way to go with signatures, anyone monitoring the petition will be able to see an influx of signatures which can be just as influential. Just a thought I had! Here's the link in case anyone missed it! https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/side-blind-over-obstructionist-companies-secure-treaty-blind-makes-books-accessible-globally/ZJtgcVph -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students Legislative Coordinator: National Federation of the Blind of Washington B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Fri Jun 21 00:55:22 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:55:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. I just would like to ask you, do you know where can I contact the college student whom the NFB is helping him with a lawsuit, due to his English instructor drop him out of her class because he was blind? I really would like to talk to him regarding this issue, since I think this is definitely descrimination. Thanks and God bless! :) -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic I know that the NFB is helping with a lawsuit concerning a college student in Arizona at Mesa College one of the Mricopa Community colleges. His English instructor did not want to have a blind person in her class and dropped him form the course. I have not noticed any yet since returning to school last January. Back in the mid 90s I was attending San Deigo Statue University studying computer science. I was getting A's. I am legally blind so I was using large print for exams in the classroom, used monocular and was quite independent in my courses. I went to speak with the dean about possible changing my degree to computational science and was told "I can't imagine any job you could do". A few years before that I was in a Computer Science and Information Systems certificate program at a community college. This program was sponsored by IBM. CA Voc Rehab and the college. The program was for persons with disabilities and we had our own classroom with all the assitive technology, signers for the deaf student etc. Each student was assigned a mentor form the business advisory group. In my first phone conversation with my mentor, he said, "How can you be a programmer if you can't see?"It was a condescending tone and one I knew was not to understand "how". He was rude and I knew no matter what I said he would not believe someone with a visual impairment could work as a programmer. I was the only student of the 25 to get a 4.0 in the program yet just hearing I was visually impaired automatically umped to the conclusion I could not do it. Suzanne On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Helga Schreiber < helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told us > that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested > on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that we > need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the > name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you know, > The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually Impaired > College Students?” > I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in order > to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since > one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I > just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still > experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was just > wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts > and > evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination > really > happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would > like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, > you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use > your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? > In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research > paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this > topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow > before writing this research Paper: > Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of each > source] > > > > Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some > preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile > this > initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources > in > MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final > research > paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a short > [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. > > > > Your bibliography must include the following: > > > > § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it > doesn’t matter). > > § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the > library’s databases. > > § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not > contain user-generated content* > > § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine > produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, Newsweek, > The Sun Sentinel, etc.) > > > > You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the criteria > listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., > newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full text > found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may > not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, > Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the > information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, you > should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, but > .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the > information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher > education. > > > > So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my > research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as > well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching > on > my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with > your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to > prove > my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you > think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for > listening and for your time. God bless. > > Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber > > P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list > if you like? my email address is > > helga.schreiber at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 01:05:38 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:05:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Helga, While I'm glad to share stories with you, I am wondering if you are allowed to use personal stories in your research paper? The instructions you sent us seem to say that you can only use published books and articles as sources; it doesn't say anything about using personal interviews as sources. Are you allowed to use personal interviews after you finish your bibliography, or are you only allowed to use the sources in your bibliography which are limited to books, online articles and newspaper/magazine articles? If you aren't sure, that would be an important question to ask your professor before you start collecting personal stories from folks. Also, it sounds like it would help Helga more if we can recommend published sources to her rather than just sharing our personal stories which may or may not count as sources for your paper. The NFB has and is continuing to work on cases involving discrimination against college students. I would suggest going to www.nfb.org and look for the 2012 presidential report, which has lots of examples of cases the NFB has been working on. Many involve inaccessible class materials, which is a form of discrimination. You could also call the NFB at 410-659-9314 and ask to speak with Meghan Sidhu. The NFB has published press releases regarding discrimination, which means there are probably news articles about the NFB cases. Meghan may know of news articles she can share with you. Best of luck, Arielle On 6/20/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. I just would like to ask you, do you know where > can I contact the college student whom the NFB is helping him with a > lawsuit, due to his English instructor drop him out of her class because he > > was blind? I really would like to talk to him regarding this issue, since I > > think this is definitely descrimination. Thanks and God bless! :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic > > I know that the NFB is helping with a lawsuit concerning a college student > in Arizona at Mesa College one of the Mricopa Community colleges. His > English instructor did not want to have a blind person in her class and > dropped him form the course. > > I have not noticed any yet since returning to school last January. Back in > the mid 90s I was attending San Deigo Statue University studying computer > science. I was getting A's. I am legally blind so I was using large print > for exams in the classroom, used monocular and was quite independent in my > courses. I went to speak with the dean about possible changing my degree to > computational science and was told "I can't imagine any job you could do". > A few years before that I was in a Computer Science and Information Systems > certificate program at a community college. This program was sponsored by > IBM. CA Voc Rehab and the college. The program was for persons with > disabilities and we had our own classroom with all the assitive technology, > signers for the deaf student etc. Each student was assigned a mentor form > the business advisory group. In my first phone conversation with my mentor, > he said, "How can you be a programmer if you can't see?"It was a > condescending tone and one I knew was not to understand "how". He was rude > and I knew no matter what I said he would not believe someone with a visual > impairment could work as a programmer. I was the only student of the 25 to > get a 4.0 in the program yet just hearing I was visually impaired > automatically umped to the conclusion I could not do it. > > Suzanne > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Helga Schreiber < > helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told >> us >> that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested >> on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that we >> need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the >> name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you >> know, >> The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually Impaired >> College Students?” >> I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in >> order >> to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since >> one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I >> just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still >> experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was >> just >> wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts >> and >> evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination >> really >> happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would >> like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, >> you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use >> your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? >> In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research >> paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this >> topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow >> before writing this research Paper: >> Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of each >> source] >> >> >> >> Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some >> preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile >> this >> initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources >> in >> MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final >> research >> paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a >> short >> [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. >> >> >> >> Your bibliography must include the following: >> >> >> >> § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it >> doesn’t matter). >> >> § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the >> library’s databases. >> >> § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not >> contain user-generated content* >> >> § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine >> produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, Newsweek, >> The Sun Sentinel, etc.) >> >> >> >> You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the >> criteria >> listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., >> newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full >> text >> found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may >> not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, >> Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the >> information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, >> you >> should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, >> but >> .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the >> information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher >> education. >> >> >> >> So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my >> research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as >> well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching >> on >> my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with >> your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to >> prove >> my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you >> think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for >> listening and for your time. God bless. >> >> Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber >> >> P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list >> if you like? my email address is >> >> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Fri Jun 21 01:06:19 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:06:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] English Composition 2 Class Research Paper Topic Message-ID: Hi all, I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told us that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that we need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you know, The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually Impaired College Students?” I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in order to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was just wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts and evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination really happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow before writing this research Paper: Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of each source] Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile this initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources in MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final research paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a short [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. Your bibliography must include the following: § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it doesn’t matter). § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the library’s databases. § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not contain user-generated content* § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, Newsweek, The Sun Sentinel, etc.) You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the criteria listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full text found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, you should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, but .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher education. So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching on my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to prove my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for listening and for your time. God bless. Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list if you like? my email address is helga.schreiber at hotmail.com From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Fri Jun 21 01:33:38 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:33:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arielle, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I talked to my professor after class last Monday, and I ask her if I can use some people experiences regarding this issue and she actually said yes! I'm actually going to use my own experience a little bit as well, due to the fact that I don't receive the materials necessary for my studies from the Dissability Support Services of my college. For example, they don't allow me to use the Braille Printer in order for me to print because they told me that I can't print my personal things. And I'm also interesting in finding some articles or information about different types of visual impairness, since I think that many sighted people don't know how to work with visually impaired students, specially college students with prviding them with the accomodations that they need. By the way, Just to let you know, this Research Paper has to be a Persuasive Essay in order to persuade the audience, so that they could take action on the claim that you are making. Thanks so much for listening to me and God bless. -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic Hi Helga, While I'm glad to share stories with you, I am wondering if you are allowed to use personal stories in your research paper? The instructions you sent us seem to say that you can only use published books and articles as sources; it doesn't say anything about using personal interviews as sources. Are you allowed to use personal interviews after you finish your bibliography, or are you only allowed to use the sources in your bibliography which are limited to books, online articles and newspaper/magazine articles? If you aren't sure, that would be an important question to ask your professor before you start collecting personal stories from folks. Also, it sounds like it would help Helga more if we can recommend published sources to her rather than just sharing our personal stories which may or may not count as sources for your paper. The NFB has and is continuing to work on cases involving discrimination against college students. I would suggest going to www.nfb.org and look for the 2012 presidential report, which has lots of examples of cases the NFB has been working on. Many involve inaccessible class materials, which is a form of discrimination. You could also call the NFB at 410-659-9314 and ask to speak with Meghan Sidhu. The NFB has published press releases regarding discrimination, which means there are probably news articles about the NFB cases. Meghan may know of news articles she can share with you. Best of luck, Arielle On 6/20/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. I just would like to ask you, do you know where > can I contact the college student whom the NFB is helping him with a > lawsuit, due to his English instructor drop him out of her class because > he > > was blind? I really would like to talk to him regarding this issue, since > I > > think this is definitely descrimination. Thanks and God bless! :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic > > I know that the NFB is helping with a lawsuit concerning a college student > in Arizona at Mesa College one of the Mricopa Community colleges. His > English instructor did not want to have a blind person in her class and > dropped him form the course. > > I have not noticed any yet since returning to school last January. Back in > the mid 90s I was attending San Deigo Statue University studying computer > science. I was getting A's. I am legally blind so I was using large print > for exams in the classroom, used monocular and was quite independent in my > courses. I went to speak with the dean about possible changing my degree > to > computational science and was told "I can't imagine any job you could do". > A few years before that I was in a Computer Science and Information > Systems > certificate program at a community college. This program was sponsored by > IBM. CA Voc Rehab and the college. The program was for persons with > disabilities and we had our own classroom with all the assitive > technology, > signers for the deaf student etc. Each student was assigned a mentor form > the business advisory group. In my first phone conversation with my > mentor, > he said, "How can you be a programmer if you can't see?"It was a > condescending tone and one I knew was not to understand "how". He was rude > and I knew no matter what I said he would not believe someone with a > visual > impairment could work as a programmer. I was the only student of the 25 to > get a 4.0 in the program yet just hearing I was visually impaired > automatically umped to the conclusion I could not do it. > > Suzanne > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Helga Schreiber < > helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told >> us >> that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested >> on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that we >> need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the >> name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you >> know, >> The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually Impaired >> College Students?” >> I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in >> order >> to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since >> one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I >> just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still >> experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was >> just >> wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts >> and >> evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination >> really >> happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would >> like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, >> you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use >> your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? >> In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research >> paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this >> topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow >> before writing this research Paper: >> Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of each >> source] >> >> >> >> Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some >> preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile >> this >> initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources >> in >> MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final >> research >> paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a >> short >> [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. >> >> >> >> Your bibliography must include the following: >> >> >> >> § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it >> doesn’t matter). >> >> § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the >> library’s databases. >> >> § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not >> contain user-generated content* >> >> § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine >> produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, Newsweek, >> The Sun Sentinel, etc.) >> >> >> >> You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the >> criteria >> listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., >> newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full >> text >> found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may >> not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, >> Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the >> information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, >> you >> should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, >> but >> .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the >> information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher >> education. >> >> >> >> So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my >> research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as >> well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching >> on >> my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with >> your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to >> prove >> my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you >> think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for >> listening and for your time. God bless. >> >> Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber >> >> P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list >> if you like? my email address is >> >> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 01:47:12 2013 From: n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com (Shreyas N Reddy) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 07:17:12 +0530 Subject: [nabs-l] regarding English Language Message-ID: Hi all! hope all r doing good. In fact, after long time, I am posting a mail to this mailing list but I had my exams going on and that is the reason. So, the purpose of mailing is, as u all know, I am doing my Cambridge International Education from an institution which is affiliated to the Cambridge University in U K. I am actually weak in English and could any one please help me in my English Grammar? --- In regards Shreyas From sgermano at asu.edu Fri Jun 21 01:52:09 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:52:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No but here is a link about the lawsuit https://nfb.org/national-federation-blind-and-blind-student-file-suit-against-maricopa-community-college-district On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Helga Schreiber < helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. I just would like to ask you, do you know where > can I contact the college student whom the NFB is helping him with a > lawsuit, due to his English instructor drop him out of her class because he > was blind? I really would like to talk to him regarding this issue, since I > think this is definitely descrimination. Thanks and God bless! :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic > > I know that the NFB is helping with a lawsuit concerning a college student > in Arizona at Mesa College one of the Mricopa Community colleges. His > English instructor did not want to have a blind person in her class and > dropped him form the course. > > I have not noticed any yet since returning to school last January. Back in > the mid 90s I was attending San Deigo Statue University studying computer > science. I was getting A's. I am legally blind so I was using large print > for exams in the classroom, used monocular and was quite independent in my > courses. I went to speak with the dean about possible changing my degree to > computational science and was told "I can't imagine any job you could do". > A few years before that I was in a Computer Science and Information Systems > certificate program at a community college. This program was sponsored by > IBM. CA Voc Rehab and the college. The program was for persons with > disabilities and we had our own classroom with all the assitive technology, > signers for the deaf student etc. Each student was assigned a mentor form > the business advisory group. In my first phone conversation with my mentor, > he said, "How can you be a programmer if you can't see?"It was a > condescending tone and one I knew was not to understand "how". He was rude > and I knew no matter what I said he would not believe someone with a visual > impairment could work as a programmer. I was the only student of the 25 to > get a 4.0 in the program yet just hearing I was visually impaired > automatically umped to the conclusion I could not do it. > > Suzanne > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Helga Schreiber < > helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, >> I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told us >> that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested >> on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that we >> need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the >> name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you know, >> The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually Impaired >> College Students?” >> I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in order >> to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since >> one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I >> just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still >> experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was just >> wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts >> and >> evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination >> really >> happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would >> like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, >> you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use >> your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? >> In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research >> paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this >> topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow >> before writing this research Paper: >> Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of each >> source] >> >> >> >> Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some >> preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile >> this >> initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources >> in >> MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final >> research >> paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a short >> [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. >> >> >> >> Your bibliography must include the following: >> >> >> >> § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it >> doesn’t matter). >> >> § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the >> library’s databases. >> >> § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not >> contain user-generated content* >> >> § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine >> produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, Newsweek, >> The Sun Sentinel, etc.) >> >> >> >> You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the criteria >> listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., >> newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full text >> found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may >> not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, >> Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the >> information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, you >> should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, but >> .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the >> information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher >> education. >> >> >> >> So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my >> research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as >> well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching >> on >> my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with >> your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to >> prove >> my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you >> think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for >> listening and for your time. God bless. >> >> Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber >> >> P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list >> if you like? my email address is >> >> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** >> org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.**com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 02:07:07 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 19:07:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NABS Hostage Crisis and Other Student-Related Fundraising Activities at National Convention References: Message-ID: <107B3123-F0A1-4C7F-BCBF-BC585C4BE4E1@gmail.com> Hey Fellow students! as of upi weren't interested and excited enough about convention, here's one more reason to be. our fundraising committee has done it again! Here's it's captain of capital (aka fundraising committee chair) Gabe Cazares breaking down the good times to be had, so please support the great work! > > > Convention is fast approaching and the National Association of Blind > Students is gearing up to be a part of it. Here are but a few of the > fundraising activities that we will be hosting at this year’s annual > national convention, please support your one and only student > division. > > Back by popular demand, custom made slate and stylus carrying cases. > Do you always have to rummage through your backpack, briefcase, or > purse to find your slate and stylus? Don’t you wish there was an > easier way to keep both of them together? Well fellow Federationists, > ask and you shall receive! NABS has once again partnered with > Stitchville of Ruston to bring you hand-made, sleek, and fashionable > carrying cases for your slate and stylus. You can order yours for the > very affordable price of $15 at the NABS exhibit hall table or by > contacting anyone on the NABS board. > > We’ve all heard of 50/50 raffles but this year, NABS is proud to bring > to you a 60/40 raffle. Yes, how generous of us, we know! Should you be > the one to draw the lucky ticket you will get 60% of the pot, while > your friendly neighborhood student division keeps 40%. The only way > you can potentially walk away with a fat wad of cash however, is by > purchasing tickets. The more tickets we sell, the larger the prize > will be. It’s easy and simple to enter, you can purchase 1 ticket for > $2, or you can purchase 3 tickets for $5. The more tickets you > purchase, the better your odds are to win! Purchase tickets at our > NABS exhibit hall table or by contacting any one of us on the NABS > board. > > As many of you know our casino-style game night popularly known as > Monte Carlo will once again be taking place at this year’s convention > on Thursday July 4 from 8:00Pm to 11:30 PM in Salons 1 and 2, level 2 > of the Rosen Center Hotel. However, what you may not know is that NABS > will be holding some of your Favorite Federationists hostage, and > they’ll need your help to make bail and be released from NABS > captivity. Don’t worry, they won’t be tortured too badly. Come help > your fellow Federationists make bail. > At 8:00 PM NABS will be holding Joanne Wilson, Carl Jacobsen, and Joe > Ruffalo hostage. At 9:00 PM Ever Lee Hairston, Eric Guillory, and > Patti Chang will be in need of your help. And finally at 10:00 PM Anil > Lewis, Mary Fernandez, and Alex Castillo will be in NABS custody. > You won’t want to miss this year’s Monte Carlo Night, it is gearing up > to be quite the entertaining event. > > If you have any NABS fundraising related questions, or if you’d like > to buy raffle tickets, please feel free to contact me by writing to me > at: gcazares at nfbtx.org or by telephone at: 713-269-5156. > > See y’all in Orlando! > > ...Gabe > > Gabe Cazares, Chairman > NABS Fundraising Committee Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Fri Jun 21 02:23:46 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 22:23:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. Thanks so much for sending me the link of the lawsuit. God bless! :) -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic No but here is a link about the lawsuit https://nfb.org/national-federation-blind-and-blind-student-file-suit-against-maricopa-community-college-district On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Helga Schreiber < helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. I just would like to ask you, do you know where > can I contact the college student whom the NFB is helping him with a > lawsuit, due to his English instructor drop him out of her class because > he > was blind? I really would like to talk to him regarding this issue, since > I > think this is definitely descrimination. Thanks and God bless! :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic > > I know that the NFB is helping with a lawsuit concerning a college student > in Arizona at Mesa College one of the Mricopa Community colleges. His > English instructor did not want to have a blind person in her class and > dropped him form the course. > > I have not noticed any yet since returning to school last January. Back in > the mid 90s I was attending San Deigo Statue University studying computer > science. I was getting A's. I am legally blind so I was using large print > for exams in the classroom, used monocular and was quite independent in my > courses. I went to speak with the dean about possible changing my degree > to > computational science and was told "I can't imagine any job you could do". > A few years before that I was in a Computer Science and Information > Systems > certificate program at a community college. This program was sponsored by > IBM. CA Voc Rehab and the college. The program was for persons with > disabilities and we had our own classroom with all the assitive > technology, > signers for the deaf student etc. Each student was assigned a mentor form > the business advisory group. In my first phone conversation with my > mentor, > he said, "How can you be a programmer if you can't see?"It was a > condescending tone and one I knew was not to understand "how". He was rude > and I knew no matter what I said he would not believe someone with a > visual > impairment could work as a programmer. I was the only student of the 25 to > get a 4.0 in the program yet just hearing I was visually impaired > automatically umped to the conclusion I could not do it. > > Suzanne > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Helga Schreiber < > helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, >> I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told >> us >> that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested >> on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that we >> need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the >> name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you >> know, >> The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually Impaired >> College Students?” >> I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in >> order >> to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since >> one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I >> just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still >> experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was >> just >> wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts >> and >> evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination >> really >> happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would >> like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, >> you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use >> your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? >> In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research >> paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this >> topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow >> before writing this research Paper: >> Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of each >> source] >> >> >> >> Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some >> preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile >> this >> initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources >> in >> MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final >> research >> paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a >> short >> [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. >> >> >> >> Your bibliography must include the following: >> >> >> >> § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it >> doesn’t matter). >> >> § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the >> library’s databases. >> >> § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not >> contain user-generated content* >> >> § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine >> produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, Newsweek, >> The Sun Sentinel, etc.) >> >> >> >> You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the >> criteria >> listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., >> newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full >> text >> found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may >> not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, >> Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the >> information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, >> you >> should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, >> but >> .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the >> information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher >> education. >> >> >> >> So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my >> research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as >> well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching >> on >> my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with >> your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to >> prove >> my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you >> think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for >> listening and for your time. God bless. >> >> Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber >> >> P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list >> if you like? my email address is >> >> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** >> org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.**com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From sgermano at asu.edu Fri Jun 21 03:06:38 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:06:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're welcome. Since this needs to be a persuasive paper, what are you going to try to persuade the readers to do? For example, provide accommodations Or are you trying to convince people that discrimination exists which I am not positive counts as a persuasive paper. Of course I could be totally wrong on that. I am taking English 102 right now and am working on a paper due Wednesday. I hate writing papers and English classes. The whole thing is to subjective in grading. Give me Calculus, Chemistry, computer science courses anytime. I tried to figure out how to get my degree and not have to take this horrible English class. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Helga Schreiber < helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. Thanks so much for sending me the link of the > lawsuit. God bless! :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic > > No but here is a link about the lawsuit > https://nfb.org/national-**federation-blind-and-blind-** > student-file-suit-against-**maricopa-community-college-**district > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Helga Schreiber < > helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. I just would like to ask you, do you know where >> can I contact the college student whom the NFB is helping him with a >> lawsuit, due to his English instructor drop him out of her class because >> he >> was blind? I really would like to talk to him regarding this issue, since >> I >> think this is definitely descrimination. Thanks and God bless! :) >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano >> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:30 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic >> >> I know that the NFB is helping with a lawsuit concerning a college student >> in Arizona at Mesa College one of the Mricopa Community colleges. His >> English instructor did not want to have a blind person in her class and >> dropped him form the course. >> >> I have not noticed any yet since returning to school last January. Back in >> the mid 90s I was attending San Deigo Statue University studying computer >> science. I was getting A's. I am legally blind so I was using large print >> for exams in the classroom, used monocular and was quite independent in my >> courses. I went to speak with the dean about possible changing my degree >> to >> computational science and was told "I can't imagine any job you could do". >> A few years before that I was in a Computer Science and Information >> Systems >> certificate program at a community college. This program was sponsored by >> IBM. CA Voc Rehab and the college. The program was for persons with >> disabilities and we had our own classroom with all the assitive >> technology, >> signers for the deaf student etc. Each student was assigned a mentor form >> the business advisory group. In my first phone conversation with my >> mentor, >> he said, "How can you be a programmer if you can't see?"It was a >> condescending tone and one I knew was not to understand "how". He was rude >> and I knew no matter what I said he would not believe someone with a >> visual >> impairment could work as a programmer. I was the only student of the 25 to >> get a 4.0 in the program yet just hearing I was visually impaired >> automatically umped to the conclusion I could not do it. >> >> Suzanne >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Helga Schreiber < >> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >>> I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told >>> us >>> that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested >>> on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that we >>> need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the >>> name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you >>> know, >>> The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually Impaired >>> College Students?” >>> I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in >>> order >>> to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since >>> one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I >>> just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still >>> experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was >>> just >>> wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts >>> and >>> evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination >>> really >>> happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would >>> like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, >>> you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use >>> your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? >>> In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research >>> paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this >>> topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow >>> before writing this research Paper: >>> Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of each >>> source] >>> >>> >>> >>> Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some >>> preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile >>> this >>> initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources >>> in >>> MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final >>> research >>> paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a >>> short >>> [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. >>> >>> >>> >>> Your bibliography must include the following: >>> >>> >>> >>> § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it >>> doesn’t matter). >>> >>> § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the >>> library’s databases. >>> >>> § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not >>> contain user-generated content* >>> >>> § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine >>> produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, Newsweek, >>> The Sun Sentinel, etc.) >>> >>> >>> >>> You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the >>> criteria >>> listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., >>> newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full >>> text >>> found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may >>> not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, >>> Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the >>> information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, >>> you >>> should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, >>> but >>> .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the >>> information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher >>> education. >>> >>> >>> >>> So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my >>> research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as >>> well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching >>> on >>> my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with >>> your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to >>> prove >>> my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you >>> think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for >>> listening and for your time. God bless. >>> >>> Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber >>> >>> P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list >>> if you like? my email address is >>> >>> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_****nfbnet.org >>> >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.**** >>> org/sgermano%40asu.edu>> options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >>> > >>> >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_****nfbnet.org >> >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.**** >> org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.****com> mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.**org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.**com >> > >> >> ______________________________****_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_****nfbnet.org >> >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.**** >> org/sgermano%40asu.edu> options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >> > >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.**com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Jun 21 03:10:39 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 03:10:39 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Suzanne, I know you weren't responding to me, but I'm totally different. I can handle English, but Math is too difficult! I do hate writing papers though. I'm okay with just dealing with simple grammar. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Suzanne Germano [sgermano at asu.edu] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic You're welcome. Since this needs to be a persuasive paper, what are you going to try to persuade the readers to do? For example, provide accommodations Or are you trying to convince people that discrimination exists which I am not positive counts as a persuasive paper. Of course I could be totally wrong on that. I am taking English 102 right now and am working on a paper due Wednesday. I hate writing papers and English classes. The whole thing is to subjective in grading. Give me Calculus, Chemistry, computer science courses anytime. I tried to figure out how to get my degree and not have to take this horrible English class. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Helga Schreiber < helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. Thanks so much for sending me the link of the > lawsuit. God bless! :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic > > No but here is a link about the lawsuit > https://nfb.org/national-**federation-blind-and-blind-** > student-file-suit-against-**maricopa-community-college-**district > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Helga Schreiber < > helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. I just would like to ask you, do you know where >> can I contact the college student whom the NFB is helping him with a >> lawsuit, due to his English instructor drop him out of her class because >> he >> was blind? I really would like to talk to him regarding this issue, since >> I >> think this is definitely descrimination. Thanks and God bless! :) >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano >> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:30 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic >> >> I know that the NFB is helping with a lawsuit concerning a college student >> in Arizona at Mesa College one of the Mricopa Community colleges. His >> English instructor did not want to have a blind person in her class and >> dropped him form the course. >> >> I have not noticed any yet since returning to school last January. Back in >> the mid 90s I was attending San Deigo Statue University studying computer >> science. I was getting A's. I am legally blind so I was using large print >> for exams in the classroom, used monocular and was quite independent in my >> courses. I went to speak with the dean about possible changing my degree >> to >> computational science and was told "I can't imagine any job you could do". >> A few years before that I was in a Computer Science and Information >> Systems >> certificate program at a community college. This program was sponsored by >> IBM. CA Voc Rehab and the college. The program was for persons with >> disabilities and we had our own classroom with all the assitive >> technology, >> signers for the deaf student etc. Each student was assigned a mentor form >> the business advisory group. In my first phone conversation with my >> mentor, >> he said, "How can you be a programmer if you can't see?"It was a >> condescending tone and one I knew was not to understand "how". He was rude >> and I knew no matter what I said he would not believe someone with a >> visual >> impairment could work as a programmer. I was the only student of the 25 to >> get a 4.0 in the program yet just hearing I was visually impaired >> automatically umped to the conclusion I could not do it. >> >> Suzanne >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Helga Schreiber < >> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >>> I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told >>> us >>> that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested >>> on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that we >>> need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the >>> name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you >>> know, >>> The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually Impaired >>> College Students?” >>> I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in >>> order >>> to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since >>> one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I >>> just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still >>> experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was >>> just >>> wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts >>> and >>> evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination >>> really >>> happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would >>> like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, >>> you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use >>> your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? >>> In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research >>> paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this >>> topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow >>> before writing this research Paper: >>> Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of each >>> source] >>> >>> >>> >>> Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some >>> preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile >>> this >>> initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources >>> in >>> MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final >>> research >>> paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a >>> short >>> [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. >>> >>> >>> >>> Your bibliography must include the following: >>> >>> >>> >>> § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it >>> doesn’t matter). >>> >>> § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the >>> library’s databases. >>> >>> § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not >>> contain user-generated content* >>> >>> § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine >>> produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, Newsweek, >>> The Sun Sentinel, etc.) >>> >>> >>> >>> You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the >>> criteria >>> listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., >>> newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full >>> text >>> found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may >>> not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, >>> Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the >>> information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, >>> you >>> should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, >>> but >>> .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the >>> information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher >>> education. >>> >>> >>> >>> So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my >>> research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as >>> well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching >>> on >>> my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with >>> your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to >>> prove >>> my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you >>> think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for >>> listening and for your time. God bless. >>> >>> Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber >>> >>> P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list >>> if you like? my email address is >>> >>> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_****nfbnet.org >>> >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.**** >>> org/sgermano%40asu.edu>> options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >>> > >>> >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_****nfbnet.org >> >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.**** >> org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.****com> mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.**org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.**com >> > >> >> ______________________________****_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_****nfbnet.org >> >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.**** >> org/sgermano%40asu.edu> options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >> > >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.**com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Fri Jun 21 06:36:43 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 02:36:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey! Suzanne! I just wanted to tell you that my professor gave us an assignment sheet for research plan and bibliography, which includes two parts. The first part is about a research plan where we need to answer 8 questions, and the second part is about writing an anotated bibliography, which means that after finding the sources that we want, then we need to write a four sentences summary explaining what they are about. By the way, just to let you know, the reason I'm writing this paper is to persuade the reader that descrimination exist for visually impaired students, and I also want to persuade the reader that they meed to provide different types of accomodations for every different visually impaired student, due to the fact that many sighted people don't know how to work with visually impaired students, specially college students. So what I'm trying to do is explain on my paper the different types visually impairness that every visually impaired student has in order for them to know. For instance, I think that many sighted people don't know the difference between blind and low vision students and many others. So if they don't know that, how will they know what accomodation they need to give for each visually impaired students? Also, even though I'm an English major, I don't like to write papers either! By the way, what's your major and what are you studying? Just curious! Thanks for listening to me and God bless!! :D -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic You're welcome. Since this needs to be a persuasive paper, what are you going to try to persuade the readers to do? For example, provide accommodations Or are you trying to convince people that discrimination exists which I am not positive counts as a persuasive paper. Of course I could be totally wrong on that. I am taking English 102 right now and am working on a paper due Wednesday. I hate writing papers and English classes. The whole thing is to subjective in grading. Give me Calculus, Chemistry, computer science courses anytime. I tried to figure out how to get my degree and not have to take this horrible English class. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Helga Schreiber < helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. Thanks so much for sending me the link of the > lawsuit. God bless! :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic > > No but here is a link about the lawsuit > https://nfb.org/national-**federation-blind-and-blind-** > student-file-suit-against-**maricopa-community-college-**district > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Helga Schreiber < > helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. I just would like to ask you, do you know > where >> can I contact the college student whom the NFB is helping him with a >> lawsuit, due to his English instructor drop him out of her class because >> he >> was blind? I really would like to talk to him regarding this issue, since >> I >> think this is definitely descrimination. Thanks and God bless! :) >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano >> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:30 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic >> >> I know that the NFB is helping with a lawsuit concerning a college >> student >> in Arizona at Mesa College one of the Mricopa Community colleges. His >> English instructor did not want to have a blind person in her class and >> dropped him form the course. >> >> I have not noticed any yet since returning to school last January. Back >> in >> the mid 90s I was attending San Deigo Statue University studying computer >> science. I was getting A's. I am legally blind so I was using large print >> for exams in the classroom, used monocular and was quite independent in >> my >> courses. I went to speak with the dean about possible changing my degree >> to >> computational science and was told "I can't imagine any job you could >> do". >> A few years before that I was in a Computer Science and Information >> Systems >> certificate program at a community college. This program was sponsored by >> IBM. CA Voc Rehab and the college. The program was for persons with >> disabilities and we had our own classroom with all the assitive >> technology, >> signers for the deaf student etc. Each student was assigned a mentor form >> the business advisory group. In my first phone conversation with my >> mentor, >> he said, "How can you be a programmer if you can't see?"It was a >> condescending tone and one I knew was not to understand "how". He was >> rude >> and I knew no matter what I said he would not believe someone with a >> visual >> impairment could work as a programmer. I was the only student of the 25 >> to >> get a 4.0 in the program yet just hearing I was visually impaired >> automatically umped to the conclusion I could not do it. >> >> Suzanne >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Helga Schreiber < >> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >>> I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told >>> us >>> that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested >>> on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that >>> we >>> need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the >>> name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you >>> know, >>> The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually >>> Impaired >>> College Students?” >>> I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in >>> order >>> to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since >>> one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I >>> just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still >>> experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was >>> just >>> wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts >>> and >>> evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination >>> really >>> happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would >>> like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, >>> you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use >>> your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? >>> In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research >>> paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this >>> topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow >>> before writing this research Paper: >>> Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of >>> each >>> source] >>> >>> >>> >>> Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some >>> preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile >>> this >>> initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources >>> in >>> MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final >>> research >>> paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a >>> short >>> [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. >>> >>> >>> >>> Your bibliography must include the following: >>> >>> >>> >>> § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it >>> doesn’t matter). >>> >>> § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the >>> library’s databases. >>> >>> § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not >>> contain user-generated content* >>> >>> § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine >>> produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, >>> Newsweek, >>> The Sun Sentinel, etc.) >>> >>> >>> >>> You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the >>> criteria >>> listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., >>> newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full >>> text >>> found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may >>> not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, >>> Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the >>> information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, >>> you >>> should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, >>> but >>> .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the >>> information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher >>> education. >>> >>> >>> >>> So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my >>> research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as >>> well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching >>> on >>> my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with >>> your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to >>> prove >>> my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you >>> think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for >>> listening and for your time. God bless. >>> >>> Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber >>> >>> P.S. If you have any questions regarding this, you can email me off list >>> if you like? my email address is >>> >>> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_****nfbnet.org >>> >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.**** >>> org/sgermano%40asu.edu>> options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >>> > >>> >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_****nfbnet.org >> >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.**** >> org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.****com> mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.**org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.**com >> > >> >> ______________________________****_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_****nfbnet.org >> >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/****mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.**** >> org/sgermano%40asu.edu> options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >> > >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.**com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From ALewis at nfb.org Fri Jun 21 12:42:11 2013 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:42:11 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] =?windows-1252?q?NBC_Rock_Center=3A_Some_disabled_worker?= =?windows-1252?q?s_paid_just_pennies_an_hour_=96_and_it=27s_legal?= In-Reply-To: References: <4C785AE92339A84D80E58139B523D98535BE6B41@BLUPRD0711MB424.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <72D51A25A403F249A0FC4A94A0D9640D53355BE6@CH1PRD0710MB380.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Some disabled workers paid just pennies an hour – and it's legal By Anna Schecter, Producer, NBC News One of the nation's best-known charities is paying disabled workers as little as 22 cents an hour, thanks to a 75-year-old legal loophole that critics say needs to be closed. Goodwill Industries, a multibillion-dollar company whose executives make six-figure salaries, is among the nonprofit groups permitted to pay thousands of disabled workers far less than minimum wage because of a federal law known as Section 14 (c). Labor Department records show that some Goodwill workers in Pennsylvania earned wages as low as 22, 38 and 41 cents per hour in 2011. "If they really do pay the CEO of Goodwill three-quarters of a million dollars, they certainly can pay me more than they're paying," said Harold Leigland, who is legally blind and hangs clothes at a Goodwill in Great Falls, Montana for less than minimum wage. "It's a question of civil rights," added his wife, Sheila, blind from birth, who quit her job at the same Goodwill store when her already low wage was cut further. "I feel like a second-class citizen. And I hate it." Section 14 (c) of the Fair Labor Standards Act, which was passed in 1938, allows employers to obtain special minimum wage certificates from the Department of Labor. The certificates give employers the right to pay disabled workers according to their abilities, with no bottom limit to the wage. Most, but not all, special wage certificates are held by nonprofit organizations like Goodwill that then set up their own so-called "sheltered workshops" for disabled employees, where employees typically perform manual tasks like hanging clothes. The non-profit certificate holders can also place employees in outside, for-profit workplaces including restaurants, retail stores, hospitals and even Internal Revenue Service centers. Between the sheltered workshops and the outside businesses, more than 216,000 workers are eligible to earn less than minimum wage because of Section 14 (c), though many end up earning the full federal minimum wage of $7.25. [Description: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130619-harold-with-dog-609p.380;380;7;70;0.jpg] NBC News Harold Leigland, who is blind, with his guide dog on the bus during his morning commute to the Goodwill facility in Great Falls, Montana, where he works hanging clothing. When a non-profit provides Section 14 (c) workers to an outside business, it sets the salary and pays the wages. For example, the Helen Keller National Center, a New York school for the blind and deaf, has a special wage certificate and has placed students in a Westbury, N.Y., Applebee's franchise. The employees' pay ranged from $3.97 per hour to $5.96 per hour in 2010. The franchise told NBC News it has also hired workers at minimum wage from Helen Keller. A spokesperson for Applebee's declined to comment on Section 14 (c). Helen Keller also placed several students at a Barnes & Noble bookstore in Manhasset, N.Y., in 2010, where they earned $3.80 and $4.85 an hour. A Barnes & Noble spokeswoman defended the Section 14 (c) program as providing jobs to "people who would otherwise not have [the opportunity to work]." Most Section 14 (c) workers are employed directly by nonprofits. In 2001, the most recent year for which numbers are available, the GAO estimated that more than 90 percent of Section 14 (c) workers were employed at nonprofit work centers. Critics of Section 14 (c) have focused much of their ire on the nonprofits, where wages can be just pennies an hour even as some of the groups receive funding from the government. At one workplace in Florida run by a nonprofit, some employees earned one cent per hour in 2011. "People are profiting from exploiting disabled workers," said Ari Ne'eman, president of the Autistic Self Advocacy Network. "It is clearly and unquestionably exploitation." Defenders of Section 14 (c) say that without it, disabled workers would have few options. A Department of Labor spokesperson said in a statement to NBC News that Section 14 (c) "provides workers with disabilities the opportunity to be given meaningful work and receive an income." Terry Farmer, CEO of ACCSES, a trade group that calls itself the "voice of disability service providers," said scrapping the provision could "force [disabled workers] to stay at home," enter rehabilitation, "or otherwise engage in unproductive and unsatisfactory activities." Harold Leigland, however, said he feels that Goodwill can pay him a low wage because the company knows he has few other places to go. "We are trapped," he said. "Everybody who works at Goodwill is trapped." Leigland, a 66-year-old former massage therapist with a college degree, currently earns $5.46 per hour in Great Falls. His wages have risen and fallen based on "time studies," the method nonprofits use to calculate the salaries of Section 14 (c) workers. Staff members use a stopwatch to determine how long it takes a disabled worker to complete a task. That time is compared with how long it would take a person without a disability to do the same task. The nonprofit then uses a formula to calculate a salary, which may be equal to or less than minimum wage. The tests are repeated every six months. [Description: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130619-harold-hmed-350p.380;380;7;70;0.jpg] NBC News Harold Leigland works at the Goodwill facility in Great Falls, Montana, where he earns $5.46 an hour. Leigland's pay has been higher than $5.46, but it has also dropped down to $4.37 per hour, based on the time-study results. He said he believes Goodwill makes the time studies harder when they want his wage to be lower. "Sometimes the test is easier than others. It depends on if, as near as I can figure, they want your wage to go up or down. It's that simple," he said. His wife, Sheila, 58, spent four years hanging clothes at the Great Falls Goodwill for about $3.50 an hour. She said the time study was one of the most degrading and stressful parts about her job. "You never know how it's going to come out. It stressed me out a lot," she said. She quit last summer when she returned to work after knee surgery and found that her wage had been lowered to $2.75 per hour, a training rate. "At $2.75 it would barely cover my cost of getting to work. I wouldn't make any money," she said. Harold said he believes Goodwill can afford to pay him minimum wage, based on the salaries paid to Goodwill executives. While according to the company's own figures about 4,000 of the 30,000 disabled workers Goodwill employs at 69 franchises are currently paid below minimum wage, salaries for the CEOs of those franchises that hold special minimum wage certificates totaled almost $20 million in 2011. In 2011 the CEO of Goodwill Industries of Southern California took home $1.1 million in salary and deferred compensation. His counterpart in Portland, Oregon, made more than $500,000. Salaries for CEOs of the roughly 150 Goodwill franchises across America total more than $30 million. Goodwill International CEO Jim Gibbons, who was awarded $729,000 in salary and deferred compensation in 2011, defended the executive pay. "These leaders are having a great impact in terms of new solutions, in terms of innovation, and in terms of job creation," he said. Gibbons also defended time studies, and the whole Section 14 (c) approach. He said that for many people who make less than minimum wage, the experience of work is more important than the pay. "It's typically not about their livelihood. It's about their fulfillment. It's about being a part of something. And it's probably a small part of their overall program," he said. And Goodwill and the organizations that run the sheltered workshops are not alone in their support for Section 14 (c). In many cases, the families of the workers who have severe disabilities say their loved ones enjoy the work experience, enjoy getting a paycheck, and the amount is of no consequence. [Description: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130620-Sheila-Dog-7p.380;380;7;70;0.jpg] NBC News Sheila Leigland, who is blind, with her guide dog. She quit her job at Goodwill in Great Falls, Montana, after her hourly wage was lowered to $2.75. "I feel really good about it. I don't have to worry so much about him," said Fran Davidson, whose son Jeremy has worked at Goodwill in Great Falls, Montana, for more than a decade. "I know he's not getting picked on, and he's in a safe place. He enjoys what he's doing, and he's happy, and that's what we like for our kids." Jeremy started out working for a sub-minimum wage but did well on his last time study and is currently earning $7.80 an hour, Montana's minimum wage. But foes of Section 14 (c) have hopes for a new bill that's now before Congress that would repeal Section 14 (c) and make sub-minimum wages illegal across the board. "Meaningful work deserves fair pay," the sponsor of the bill, Rep. Gregg Harper, R.-Miss., told NBC News. "This dated provision unjustly prohibits workers with disabilities from reaching their full potential." The bill is opposed by trade associations for the employers of the disabled, and past attempts to change the law have failed. But Marc Maurer, president of the National Federation of the Blind and a foe of the sheltered workshop system, is cautiously optimistic that this time the bill will pass, and end what he called a "two-tiered system." That system, explained Maurer, says "'Americans who have disabilities aren't as valuable as other people,' and that's wrong. These folks have value. We should recognize that value." Monica Alba contributed to this report. Video: http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/52257275/ Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. “Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities” http://www.nfb.org/fairwages Work: 410-659-9314 ext. 2374 Twitter: @anillife -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 15624 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 25418 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 16293 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: From ALewis at nfb.org Fri Jun 21 12:43:06 2013 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:43:06 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] =?windows-1252?q?NBC_Rock_Center=3A_Some_disabled_worker?= =?windows-1252?q?s_paid_just_pennies_an_hour_=96_and_it=27s_legal?= Message-ID: <72D51A25A403F249A0FC4A94A0D9640D53355C00@CH1PRD0710MB380.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Some disabled workers paid just pennies an hour – and it's legal By Anna Schecter, Producer, NBC News One of the nation's best-known charities is paying disabled workers as little as 22 cents an hour, thanks to a 75-year-old legal loophole that critics say needs to be closed. Goodwill Industries, a multibillion-dollar company whose executives make six-figure salaries, is among the nonprofit groups permitted to pay thousands of disabled workers far less than minimum wage because of a federal law known as Section 14 (c). Labor Department records show that some Goodwill workers in Pennsylvania earned wages as low as 22, 38 and 41 cents per hour in 2011. "If they really do pay the CEO of Goodwill three-quarters of a million dollars, they certainly can pay me more than they're paying," said Harold Leigland, who is legally blind and hangs clothes at a Goodwill in Great Falls, Montana for less than minimum wage. "It's a question of civil rights," added his wife, Sheila, blind from birth, who quit her job at the same Goodwill store when her already low wage was cut further. "I feel like a second-class citizen. And I hate it." Section 14 (c) of the Fair Labor Standards Act, which was passed in 1938, allows employers to obtain special minimum wage certificates from the Department of Labor. The certificates give employers the right to pay disabled workers according to their abilities, with no bottom limit to the wage. Most, but not all, special wage certificates are held by nonprofit organizations like Goodwill that then set up their own so-called "sheltered workshops" for disabled employees, where employees typically perform manual tasks like hanging clothes. The non-profit certificate holders can also place employees in outside, for-profit workplaces including restaurants, retail stores, hospitals and even Internal Revenue Service centers. Between the sheltered workshops and the outside businesses, more than 216,000 workers are eligible to earn less than minimum wage because of Section 14 (c), though many end up earning the full federal minimum wage of $7.25. [Description: Description: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130619-harold-with-dog-609p.380;380;7;70;0.jpg] NBC News Harold Leigland, who is blind, with his guide dog on the bus during his morning commute to the Goodwill facility in Great Falls, Montana, where he works hanging clothing. When a non-profit provides Section 14 (c) workers to an outside business, it sets the salary and pays the wages. For example, the Helen Keller National Center, a New York school for the blind and deaf, has a special wage certificate and has placed students in a Westbury, N.Y., Applebee's franchise. The employees' pay ranged from $3.97 per hour to $5.96 per hour in 2010. The franchise told NBC News it has also hired workers at minimum wage from Helen Keller. A spokesperson for Applebee's declined to comment on Section 14 (c). Helen Keller also placed several students at a Barnes & Noble bookstore in Manhasset, N.Y., in 2010, where they earned $3.80 and $4.85 an hour. A Barnes & Noble spokeswoman defended the Section 14 (c) program as providing jobs to "people who would otherwise not have [the opportunity to work]." Most Section 14 (c) workers are employed directly by nonprofits. In 2001, the most recent year for which numbers are available, the GAO estimated that more than 90 percent of Section 14 (c) workers were employed at nonprofit work centers. Critics of Section 14 (c) have focused much of their ire on the nonprofits, where wages can be just pennies an hour even as some of the groups receive funding from the government. At one workplace in Florida run by a nonprofit, some employees earned one cent per hour in 2011. "People are profiting from exploiting disabled workers," said Ari Ne'eman, president of the Autistic Self Advocacy Network. "It is clearly and unquestionably exploitation." Defenders of Section 14 (c) say that without it, disabled workers would have few options. A Department of Labor spokesperson said in a statement to NBC News that Section 14 (c) "provides workers with disabilities the opportunity to be given meaningful work and receive an income." Terry Farmer, CEO of ACCSES, a trade group that calls itself the "voice of disability service providers," said scrapping the provision could "force [disabled workers] to stay at home," enter rehabilitation, "or otherwise engage in unproductive and unsatisfactory activities." Harold Leigland, however, said he feels that Goodwill can pay him a low wage because the company knows he has few other places to go. "We are trapped," he said. "Everybody who works at Goodwill is trapped." Leigland, a 66-year-old former massage therapist with a college degree, currently earns $5.46 per hour in Great Falls. His wages have risen and fallen based on "time studies," the method nonprofits use to calculate the salaries of Section 14 (c) workers. Staff members use a stopwatch to determine how long it takes a disabled worker to complete a task. That time is compared with how long it would take a person without a disability to do the same task. The nonprofit then uses a formula to calculate a salary, which may be equal to or less than minimum wage. The tests are repeated every six months. [Description: Description: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130619-harold-hmed-350p.380;380;7;70;0.jpg] NBC News Harold Leigland works at the Goodwill facility in Great Falls, Montana, where he earns $5.46 an hour. Leigland's pay has been higher than $5.46, but it has also dropped down to $4.37 per hour, based on the time-study results. He said he believes Goodwill makes the time studies harder when they want his wage to be lower. "Sometimes the test is easier than others. It depends on if, as near as I can figure, they want your wage to go up or down. It's that simple," he said. His wife, Sheila, 58, spent four years hanging clothes at the Great Falls Goodwill for about $3.50 an hour. She said the time study was one of the most degrading and stressful parts about her job. "You never know how it's going to come out. It stressed me out a lot," she said. She quit last summer when she returned to work after knee surgery and found that her wage had been lowered to $2.75 per hour, a training rate. "At $2.75 it would barely cover my cost of getting to work. I wouldn't make any money," she said. Harold said he believes Goodwill can afford to pay him minimum wage, based on the salaries paid to Goodwill executives. While according to the company's own figures about 4,000 of the 30,000 disabled workers Goodwill employs at 69 franchises are currently paid below minimum wage, salaries for the CEOs of those franchises that hold special minimum wage certificates totaled almost $20 million in 2011. In 2011 the CEO of Goodwill Industries of Southern California took home $1.1 million in salary and deferred compensation. His counterpart in Portland, Oregon, made more than $500,000. Salaries for CEOs of the roughly 150 Goodwill franchises across America total more than $30 million. Goodwill International CEO Jim Gibbons, who was awarded $729,000 in salary and deferred compensation in 2011, defended the executive pay. "These leaders are having a great impact in terms of new solutions, in terms of innovation, and in terms of job creation," he said. Gibbons also defended time studies, and the whole Section 14 (c) approach. He said that for many people who make less than minimum wage, the experience of work is more important than the pay. "It's typically not about their livelihood. It's about their fulfillment. It's about being a part of something. And it's probably a small part of their overall program," he said. And Goodwill and the organizations that run the sheltered workshops are not alone in their support for Section 14 (c). In many cases, the families of the workers who have severe disabilities say their loved ones enjoy the work experience, enjoy getting a paycheck, and the amount is of no consequence. [Description: Description: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130620-Sheila-Dog-7p.380;380;7;70;0.jpg] NBC News Sheila Leigland, who is blind, with her guide dog. She quit her job at Goodwill in Great Falls, Montana, after her hourly wage was lowered to $2.75. "I feel really good about it. I don't have to worry so much about him," said Fran Davidson, whose son Jeremy has worked at Goodwill in Great Falls, Montana, for more than a decade. "I know he's not getting picked on, and he's in a safe place. He enjoys what he's doing, and he's happy, and that's what we like for our kids." Jeremy started out working for a sub-minimum wage but did well on his last time study and is currently earning $7.80 an hour, Montana's minimum wage. But foes of Section 14 (c) have hopes for a new bill that's now before Congress that would repeal Section 14 (c) and make sub-minimum wages illegal across the board. "Meaningful work deserves fair pay," the sponsor of the bill, Rep. Gregg Harper, R.-Miss., told NBC News. "This dated provision unjustly prohibits workers with disabilities from reaching their full potential." The bill is opposed by trade associations for the employers of the disabled, and past attempts to change the law have failed. But Marc Maurer, president of the National Federation of the Blind and a foe of the sheltered workshop system, is cautiously optimistic that this time the bill will pass, and end what he called a "two-tiered system." That system, explained Maurer, says "'Americans who have disabilities aren't as valuable as other people,' and that's wrong. These folks have value. We should recognize that value." Monica Alba contributed to this report. Video: http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/52257275/ Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. “Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities” http://www.nfb.org/fairwages Work: 410-659-9314 ext. 2374 Twitter: @anillife -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 15624 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 25418 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 16293 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: From sgermano at asu.edu Fri Jun 21 15:24:53 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 08:24:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My major is computer science software engineering. No one understands low vision. They can't seem to comprehend that you can't just get glasses. On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Helga Schreiber < helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > Hey! Suzanne! I just wanted to tell you that my professor gave us an > assignment sheet for research plan and bibliography, which includes two > parts. The first part is about a research plan where we need to answer 8 > questions, and the second part is about writing an anotated bibliography, > which means that after finding the sources that we want, then we need to > write a four sentences summary explaining what they are about. By the way, > just to let you know, the reason I'm writing this paper is to persuade the > reader that descrimination exist for visually impaired students, and I also > want to persuade the reader that they meed to provide different types of > accomodations for every different visually impaired student, due to the > fact that many sighted people don't know how to work with visually impaired > students, specially college students. So what I'm trying to do is explain > on my paper the different types visually impairness that every visually > impaired student has in order for them to know. For instance, I think that > many sighted people don't know the difference between blind and low vision > students and many others. So if they don't know that, how will they know > what accomodation they need to give for each visually impaired students? > Also, even though I'm an English major, I don't like to write papers > either! By the way, what's your major and what are you studying? Just > curious! Thanks for listening to me and God bless!! :D > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic > > You're welcome. > > Since this needs to be a persuasive paper, what are you going to try to > persuade the readers to do? > For example, provide accommodations > > Or are you trying to convince people that discrimination exists which I am > not positive counts as a persuasive paper. Of course I could be totally > wrong on that. > > I am taking English 102 right now and am working on a paper due Wednesday. > I hate writing papers and English classes. The whole thing is to subjective > in grading. Give me Calculus, Chemistry, computer science courses anytime. > I tried to figure out how to get my degree and not have to take this > horrible English class. > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Helga Schreiber < > helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. Thanks so much for sending me the link of the >> lawsuit. God bless! :) >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano >> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:52 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic >> >> No but here is a link about the lawsuit >> https://nfb.org/national-****federation-blind-and-blind-** >> student-file-suit-against-****maricopa-community-college-****district< >> https://nfb.org/**national-federation-blind-and-** >> blind-student-file-suit-**against-maricopa-community-**college-district >> > >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Helga Schreiber < >> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Suzanne, this is Helga. I just would like to ask you, do you know >> where >> >>> can I contact the college student whom the NFB is helping him with a >>> lawsuit, due to his English instructor drop him out of her class because >>> he >>> was blind? I really would like to talk to him regarding this issue, since >>> I >>> think this is definitely descrimination. Thanks and God bless! :) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:30 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ENC 1102 class Research Paper Topic >>> >>> I know that the NFB is helping with a lawsuit concerning a college >>> student >>> in Arizona at Mesa College one of the Mricopa Community colleges. His >>> English instructor did not want to have a blind person in her class and >>> dropped him form the course. >>> >>> I have not noticed any yet since returning to school last January. Back >>> in >>> the mid 90s I was attending San Deigo Statue University studying computer >>> science. I was getting A's. I am legally blind so I was using large print >>> for exams in the classroom, used monocular and was quite independent in >>> my >>> courses. I went to speak with the dean about possible changing my degree >>> to >>> computational science and was told "I can't imagine any job you could >>> do". >>> A few years before that I was in a Computer Science and Information >>> Systems >>> certificate program at a community college. This program was sponsored by >>> IBM. CA Voc Rehab and the college. The program was for persons with >>> disabilities and we had our own classroom with all the assitive >>> technology, >>> signers for the deaf student etc. Each student was assigned a mentor form >>> the business advisory group. In my first phone conversation with my >>> mentor, >>> he said, "How can you be a programmer if you can't see?"It was a >>> condescending tone and one I knew was not to understand "how". He was >>> rude >>> and I knew no matter what I said he would not believe someone with a >>> visual >>> impairment could work as a programmer. I was the only student of the 25 >>> to >>> get a 4.0 in the program yet just hearing I was visually impaired >>> automatically umped to the conclusion I could not do it. >>> >>> Suzanne >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Helga Schreiber < >>> helga.schreiber at hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I just wanted to tell you that for my ENC 1102 class, my professor told >>>> us >>>> that we need to write a Research Paper on a topic that we are interested >>>> on, or we like to learn more about. So today in class she told us that >>>> we >>>> need to think on a topic. So I actually today after class I told her the >>>> name of the topic that I would like to write about. Just to let you >>>> know, >>>> The name of my topic is “Exists Descrimination between Visually >>>> Impaired >>>> College Students?” >>>> I am actually interested in this topic because since I’m studying in >>>> order >>>> to become a lawyer, I really would like to learn about this issue, since >>>> one of the things I would like to focuss on is on dissability rights. I >>>> just would like to ask you, did some of you experienced or are still >>>> experiencing descrimination during your life, or college years? I was >>>> just >>>> wondering, since I would like to use some of your life stories as facts >>>> and >>>> evidences in my research paper in order to prove that descrimination >>>> really >>>> happens in the life of a visually impaired college student. If you would >>>> like to provide me your biography, or life stories regarding this issue, >>>> you are welcome to do so. Also, let me know if you would like me to use >>>> your name, or if you rather would like to be anonymous? >>>> In fact, my professor told us that before we start writing our research >>>> paper, we need to do a Bibliography and find sources online about this >>>> topic. Just to let you know, here are the steps that we need to follow >>>> before writing this research Paper: >>>> Part II: The Bibliography [10 sources with 3-4 sentence summaries of >>>> each >>>> source] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Before you start writing your research paper, you will conduct some >>>> preliminary research on your topic/research question. You will compile >>>> this >>>> initial research into a bibliography (a list, basically) of your sources >>>> in >>>> MLA format. You will be drawing upon these sources for your final >>>> research >>>> paper (though you may not use all of them). You will also include a >>>> short >>>> [3-4 sentences] summary of each source. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Your bibliography must include the following: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> § Two books (they can be old-fashioned printed books or eBooks, it >>>> doesn’t matter). >>>> >>>> § Two articles from scholarly (peer-reviewed) journals found using the >>>> library’s databases. >>>> >>>> § Two articles from websites that are professional in nature and do not >>>> contain user-generated content* >>>> >>>> § Four articles from popular periodicals (newspapers and magazine >>>> produced for a general audience, like Time, The New York Times, >>>> Newsweek, >>>> The Sun Sentinel, etc.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You must have a total of 10 sources, and the sources MUST fit the >>>> criteria >>>> listed above. Though all of your sources may be “web-based” (i.e., >>>> newspapers and magazines published online, scholarly articles in full >>>> text >>>> found via database, a book accessed via ebookcollection, etc.), you may >>>> not use web sources that contain user-generated content (no Wikipedia, >>>> Answers.com, eHow.com, or similar websites) due to credibility of the >>>> information available. If you’re not sure if your website is suitable, >>>> you >>>> should ask me. In general, some .orgs and .coms can be pretty sketchy, >>>> but >>>> .govs and .edus are usually pretty credible provided you trust the >>>> information provided by our federal government and institutes of higher >>>> education. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So this are actually the steps that I need to follow before writing my >>>> research paper. I was just wondering, if would it be possible for you as >>>> well to give me some sources like these ones in order to start searching >>>> on >>>> my topic? By the way, the reason I ask you if you could provide me with >>>> your life experiences is because I would like to use them in order to >>>> prove >>>> my point regarding this issue. Also, could you let me know what do you >>>> think of my topic? I will really appreciat it. Thank you so much for >>>> listening and for your time. God bless. >>>> >>>> Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber >>>> >>>> P.S. 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We want to tell them what NFB is and what NABS is and how to get involved. We're presenting to a group of students attending summer camp at our School for the Blind. One of the campers told us that they had been having a lot of speakers and that they were hoping our presentation could be something other than us just talking to them. We have half an hour and my state president has said she wants half the time to talk about the state and national levels of NFB and then I will have the other half to talk about NABS. Of course if we come up with a creative way to do a game or something with them the time division won't matter as much. Do any of you have any ideas or suggestions about how to make our presentation fun and interactive instead of us just speaking to them? Anything that you've tried before that has worked for you or ideas you may have would be great! Thanks, Aundrea From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Jun 21 16:40:16 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:40:16 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Presenting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey! It's great that you're speaking at our school for the blind! Awesome! I'm not sure about a game, but I'd tell all of the history of the NFB's envolvement in our state, as well as telling about some of the legends. As far as NABS is concerned, you can probably figure that out. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Aundrea Sheeler [aundreasheeler at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 11:36 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Presenting Hi guys, So next week I'm going with my state president to make a presentation about the NFB. We want to tell them what NFB is and what NABS is and how to get involved. We're presenting to a group of students attending summer camp at our School for the Blind. One of the campers told us that they had been having a lot of speakers and that they were hoping our presentation could be something other than us just talking to them. We have half an hour and my state president has said she wants half the time to talk about the state and national levels of NFB and then I will have the other half to talk about NABS. Of course if we come up with a creative way to do a game or something with them the time division won't matter as much. Do any of you have any ideas or suggestions about how to make our presentation fun and interactive instead of us just speaking to them? Anything that you've tried before that has worked for you or ideas you may have would be great! Thanks, Aundrea _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From blacklotus86 at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 18:20:26 2013 From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:20:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] regarding English Language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Shreyas, I would be happy to help you. Can you give more detail regarding what you need in grammar? Good luck for your preparation Zeynep 2013/6/20, Shreyas N Reddy : > Hi all! > hope all r doing good. > In fact, after long time, I am posting a mail to this mailing list but > I had my exams going on and that is the reason. > So, the purpose of mailing is, as u all know, I am doing my Cambridge > International Education from an institution which is affiliated to the > Cambridge University in U K. > I am actually weak in English and could any one please help me in my > English Grammar? > --- > In regards > Shreyas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blacklotus86%40gmail.com > From trillian551 at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 18:46:21 2013 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:46:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] regarding English Language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Shreyas, Congratulations on such a great achievement as attending Cambridge. That's fantastic! I would be more than happy to help in any way I could. Are you looking to improve your written or conversational English? When we learn a second and third language, our written grammar tends to be a lot better because it is not spontaneous, and once you get a feeling for the language you'll sense there's something wrong by reading back what you wrote. Do you have access to reading materials for pleasure? How long have you studied English for? What's your native language? Feel free to contact me off list and we can definitely talk further and you can make the call on whether I can help or not. Sincerely, Mary F On 6/21/13, zeynep sule yilmaz wrote: > Hi Shreyas, > > I would be happy to help you. Can you give more detail regarding what > you need in grammar? > > Good luck for your preparation > > Zeynep > > > 2013/6/20, Shreyas N Reddy : >> Hi all! >> hope all r doing good. >> In fact, after long time, I am posting a mail to this mailing list but >> I had my exams going on and that is the reason. >> So, the purpose of mailing is, as u all know, I am doing my Cambridge >> International Education from an institution which is affiliated to the >> Cambridge University in U K. >> I am actually weak in English and could any one please help me in my >> English Grammar? >> --- >> In regards >> Shreyas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blacklotus86%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." — Maya Angelou From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jun 21 18:51:28 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:51:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks Message-ID: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC> Hi all, I’m planning to join social networks. I know facebook is the main one. Can you comment on what others are useful and accessible? What does livejournal do? I mean other than creating a journal on it. Do you have communities on it or what? Has anyone used pinterest? How does that differ from facebook? Is it more accessible? For facebook accessibility, has this improved? Is it still best to use the mobile version for accessibility? How does it work? Do you have to invite individual friends to build a network? When you write on your profile, do all friends see it? Is accepting friends accessible? Also, is liking an organization accessible? I hope I can figure out how that is done because I would like to like several organizations on facebook. I assume that means follow them. Do most social networks have a captua? I know linked-in does. If they do, I’ll get sighted help. Audio ones are so scrambled I cannot understand them. Thanks. Ashley From ALewis at nfb.org Fri Jun 21 18:55:17 2013 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:55:17 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] =?windows-1252?q?The_Sin_of_Omission=3A_A_Rebuttal_of_Go?= =?windows-1252?q?odwill=92s_Policy_Statement_on_Subminimum_Wage_Payments_?= =?windows-1252?q?to_Workers_with_Disabilities?= Message-ID: <72D51A25A403F249A0FC4A94A0D9640D53356F25@CH1PRD0710MB380.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> The Sin of Omission: A Rebuttal of Goodwill’s Policy Statement on Subminimum Wage Payments to Workers with Disabilities Submitted by alewis on Fri, 06/21/2013 - 08:40 Blog Date: Friday, June 21, 2013 By Anil Lewis With the pending broadcast of a national news story on NBC Rock Center tonight making the public aware of the legal ability for employers to pay workers with disabilities wages less than the federal minimum wage, Goodwill International, a self-proclaimed leader in the employment of people with disabilities, has decided to make a preemptive case for taking advantage of this unfair, discriminatory, and immoral provision. Goodwill’s position paper, entitled "Employment of People with Disabilities through FLSA Section 14(c)," is a failed attempt to justify the unjustifiable. By using more palatable language, and stating a biased perspective without giving full information, Goodwill is committing a sin of omission, one that threatens to keep over four-hundred thousand people with disabilities from receiving the proper training and support to secure gainful employment at the federal minimum wage or higher. Throughout the paper, Goodwill uses terms that attempt to soften the fact that it advocates for the payment of subminimum wages to workers with disabilities. Goodwill prefers the term Commensurate Wage, which masks the fact that these wages are below the federal minimum, some as low as one cent per hour. Goodwill prefers to use the term Community Rehabilitation Program, which is essentially the same old sheltered workshop setup that existed in 1938. I have written blog posts on how Goodwill is using compassionate discrimination to paint themselves as the victims of the exemption who are only using existing law to take advantage of the commensurate wage fallacy. The following paragraphs disclose what Goodwill chose to omit. Goodwill chooses not to restate in this paper that 101 of its 165 affiliates do not use a subminimum wage certificate. Therefore, by Goodwill’s own admission, the overwhelming majority of its affiliates are successful without the use of this “Essential Tool.” I guess that is why the paper offers the following disclaimer: “The information contained in this document represents the current view of Goodwill Industries International on the issues discussed as of the date of publication.” This means Goodwill International, where the blind CEO is paid over $500,000 per year by an organization that pays other people with disabilities 22 cents per hour, endorse this paper, but not all of its affiliates did. Moreover, it is not legal to pay workers with disabilities subminimum wages in Canada, so the Goodwill Canadian affiliates do not have the legal ability to pay subminimum wages, and are still successful. Goodwill chooses to play on the pre-existing misperception that people with disabilities do not have the capacity to be productive employees. This has been proven false, over and over again, by people with a variety of disabilities, including those that Goodwill would label too severely disabled to work. The dismal picture Goodwill paints is more of a condemnation of its inability to properly train individuals with disabilities than a reflection of the potential of the worker with a disability. Other entities, similarly situated, working with the same population of people with disabilities, are successful in providing the proper training and supports for these workers to secure employment at the federal minimum wage or higher. Again, the majority of the Goodwill affiliates are doing it. Why not all? Goodwill states that people with disabilities and their families choose to work in these subminimum wage work environments. The only choice they are being presented with is work at subminimum wages or no work at all. This is the Goodwill choice, but not the only choice. Goodwill chooses not to reference the reports that describe the innovative, alternative training and placement strategies that are being used to employ people with significant disabilities in competitive integrated work environments. It does not reference the research that demonstrates that the innovative alternative strategies cost less and produce better outcomes for workers with disabilities. Goodwill states that the National Council on Disability (NCD) has concerns about the significant unemployment rate of people with disabilities, but does not mention that NCD has said that Section 14(c) of the FLSA should be repealed and subminimum wage payments to workers with disabilities should be phased out. Goodwill states that it agrees with the position of the U. S. Business Leadership Network (USBLN) that for-profit employers should not be allowed to obtain Special Wage Certificates, but does not explain that USBLN only represents for-profit employers and therefore chose to limit its position statement to the businesses it serves. So many questions go unanswered in the Goodwill paper. If subminimum wages are such an essential tool for the employment of people with disabilities, why is it such a secret? If the use of the subminimum wage is such a successful tool, why is there still an over 70 percent unemployment rate for people with disabilities? If subminimum wage payments are such an essential tool for Goodwill, why do almost two thirds of the Goodwill affiliates choose not to use this “tool?” Goodwill’s solution is to maintain the status quo, and to continue to use the revenue generated from the labor of its workers with disabilities, the revenue from the charitable contributions, the revenue from federal contracts, and the revenue resulting from its non-profit status, to compensate its executives with substantial salaries, rather than fairly compensating the workers with disabilities. Moreover, Goodwill uses the revenue to market its message of low expectations to people with disabilities and their families, leading them down the path to perpetual public dependence, not full participation. The most offensive use of the revenue received by these sheltered workshops is paying their lobbyists to persuade members of Congress to continue to allow them to legally pay these workers pennies per hour. Finally, Goodwill suggests that its preferred solution is for the federal government to spend even more money to increase regulation and enforcement of this discriminatory policy, burying the exploitation under additional mountains of bureaucracy. All of these funds would be better spent creating real training and employment opportunities for all people with disabilities. We recognize that the competitive employment of people with disabilities presents significant challenges. However, we feel that the use of subminimum wages is simply a cop-out, especially when we are aware of training and employment strategies that work. We applaud all of the success stories that Goodwill uses to promote its services. We just want and insist that Goodwill’s employees are paid a fair wage. If Goodwill, or the other entities currently taking advantage of this subminimum wage provision, cannot adopt a new business model that provides the training and support to allow the worker with a disability to earn at least the federal minimum wage, why should our public and philanthropic dollars continue to support them? Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. Director of Advocacy and Policy “Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities” http://www.nfb.org/fairwages NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) (410) 685-5653 (FAX) Email: alewis at nfb.org Web: www.nfb.org twitter: @anillife From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Jun 21 19:21:18 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:21:18 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC> References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley! Myspace is the most accessible! Moble is the way to go with Facebook. Twitter doesn't have a captia either. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 1:51 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] social networks Hi all, I’m planning to join social networks. I know facebook is the main one. Can you comment on what others are useful and accessible? What does livejournal do? I mean other than creating a journal on it. Do you have communities on it or what? Has anyone used pinterest? How does that differ from facebook? Is it more accessible? For facebook accessibility, has this improved? Is it still best to use the mobile version for accessibility? How does it work? Do you have to invite individual friends to build a network? When you write on your profile, do all friends see it? Is accepting friends accessible? Also, is liking an organization accessible? I hope I can figure out how that is done because I would like to like several organizations on facebook. I assume that means follow them. Do most social networks have a captua? I know linked-in does. If they do, I’ll get sighted help. Audio ones are so scrambled I cannot understand them. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From joshkart12 at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 19:31:56 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:31:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <338A1569-1E62-4904-9E0B-B28DB0B858C7@gmail.com> No offense but nobody uses MySpace anymore. There may be the occasional user but it's not nearly as popular as it used to be. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Ashley! > Myspace is the most accessible! > Moble is the way to go with Facebook. > Twitter doesn't have a captia either. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 1:51 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] social networks > > Hi all, > > I’m planning to join social networks. I know facebook is the main one. > Can you comment on what others are useful and accessible? > > What does livejournal do? I mean other than creating a journal on it. Do you have communities on it or what? > > Has anyone used pinterest? How does that differ from facebook? Is it more accessible? > > For facebook accessibility, has this improved? Is it still best to use the mobile version for accessibility? How does it work? Do you have to invite individual friends to build a network? When you write on your profile, do all friends see it? Is accepting friends accessible? Also, is liking an organization accessible? I hope I can figure out how that is done because I would like to like several organizations on facebook. I assume that means follow them. > > Do most social networks have a captua? I know linked-in does. > > If they do, I’ll get sighted help. Audio ones are so scrambled I cannot understand them. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 19:47:44 2013 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 14:47:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: <338A1569-1E62-4904-9E0B-B28DB0B858C7@gmail.com> References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC> <338A1569-1E62-4904-9E0B-B28DB0B858C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I currently use live journal and find it to be very accessible. It is a journal(or blog) that you share with friends. I like it because it is a little more anonymous than facebook, and people tend to write longer updates in Live Journal. I have made some of my closest friends through live journal. There are also communities that you can join on any topic. Look at me... I sound like a Live Journal billboard... But I would definitely recommend it to anyone who enjoys writing. Ashley, if you have more questions about Live Journal, feel free to ask me, and if you get an account and want to friend me, my user name is soprano1790. On 6/21/13, Josh Gregory wrote: > No offense but nobody uses MySpace anymore. There may be the occasional user > but it's not nearly as popular as it used to be. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 21, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Ashley! >> Myspace is the most accessible! >> Moble is the way to go with Facebook. >> Twitter doesn't have a captia either. >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett >> [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 1:51 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] social networks >> >> Hi all, >> >> I’m planning to join social networks. I know facebook is the main one. >> Can you comment on what others are useful and accessible? >> >> What does livejournal do? I mean other than creating a journal on it. Do >> you have communities on it or what? >> >> Has anyone used pinterest? How does that differ from facebook? Is it more >> accessible? >> >> For facebook accessibility, has this improved? Is it still best to use the >> mobile version for accessibility? How does it work? Do you have to invite >> individual friends to build a network? When you write on your profile, do >> all friends see it? Is accepting friends accessible? Also, is liking an >> organization accessible? I hope I can figure out how that is done because >> I would like to like several organizations on facebook. I assume that >> means follow them. >> >> Do most social networks have a captua? I know linked-in does. >> >> If they do, I’ll get sighted help. Audio ones are so scrambled I cannot >> understand them. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 20:40:30 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:40:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] regarding English Language In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34239E69-204F-4527-9E1E-E462DE89CBF1@gmail.com> I, too, would be glad to help. Email or Skype me! Sophie Trist Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Hello Shreyas, > Congratulations on such a great achievement as attending Cambridge. > That's fantastic! > I would be more than happy to help in any way I could. Are you looking > to improve your written or conversational English? When we learn a > second and third language, our written grammar tends to be a lot > better because it is not spontaneous, and once you get a feeling for > the language you'll sense there's something wrong by reading back what > you wrote. Do you have access to reading materials for pleasure? How > long have you studied English for? What's your native language? > Feel free to contact me off list and we can definitely talk further > and you can make the call on whether I can help or not. > Sincerely, > Mary F > > On 6/21/13, zeynep sule yilmaz wrote: >> Hi Shreyas, >> >> I would be happy to help you. Can you give more detail regarding what >> you need in grammar? >> >> Good luck for your preparation >> >> Zeynep >> >> >> 2013/6/20, Shreyas N Reddy : >>> Hi all! >>> hope all r doing good. >>> In fact, after long time, I am posting a mail to this mailing list but >>> I had my exams going on and that is the reason. >>> So, the purpose of mailing is, as u all know, I am doing my Cambridge >>> International Education from an institution which is affiliated to the >>> Cambridge University in U K. >>> I am actually weak in English and could any one please help me in my >>> English Grammar? >>> --- >>> In regards >>> Shreyas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blacklotus86%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." > — > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareader%40gmail.com From blacklotus86 at gmail.com Fri Jun 21 20:41:55 2013 From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 15:41:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC> <338A1569-1E62-4904-9E0B-B28DB0B858C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, I use tweeter and Facebook but I think, you should try and see which one you like more. Both these are more accessible in mobile version. There is a program which is called webvisum to solve captcha problem. The only thing is, you need to use that program with Mozilla Firefox because it can’t be used with internet explorer. I’m copying the link below so you can find out more, if you want. http://www.webvisum.com/ Thanks Zeynep 2013/6/21, Julie McGinnity : > Hi all, I currently use live journal and find it to be very > accessible. It is a journal(or blog) that you share with friends. I > like it because it is a little more anonymous than facebook, and > people tend to write longer updates in Live Journal. I have made some > of my closest friends through live journal. There are also > communities that you can join on any topic. Look at me... I sound > like a Live Journal billboard... But I would definitely recommend it > to anyone who enjoys writing. > > > > Ashley, if you have more questions about Live Journal, feel free to > ask me, and if you get an account and want to friend me, my user name > is soprano1790. > > On 6/21/13, Josh Gregory wrote: >> No offense but nobody uses MySpace anymore. There may be the occasional >> user >> but it's not nearly as popular as it used to be. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 21, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> Ashley! >>> Myspace is the most accessible! >>> Moble is the way to go with Facebook. >>> Twitter doesn't have a captia either. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett >>> [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >>> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 1:51 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] social networks >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I’m planning to join social networks. I know facebook is the main one. >>> Can you comment on what others are useful and accessible? >>> >>> What does livejournal do? I mean other than creating a journal on it. Do >>> you have communities on it or what? >>> >>> Has anyone used pinterest? How does that differ from facebook? Is it >>> more >>> accessible? >>> >>> For facebook accessibility, has this improved? Is it still best to use >>> the >>> mobile version for accessibility? How does it work? Do you have to >>> invite >>> individual friends to build a network? When you write on your profile, >>> do >>> all friends see it? Is accepting friends accessible? Also, is liking an >>> organization accessible? I hope I can figure out how that is done >>> because >>> I would like to like several organizations on facebook. I assume that >>> means follow them. >>> >>> Do most social networks have a captua? I know linked-in does. >>> >>> If they do, I’ll get sighted help. Audio ones are so scrambled I cannot >>> understand them. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blacklotus86%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Jun 21 21:43:02 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 21:43:02 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: <338A1569-1E62-4904-9E0B-B28DB0B858C7@gmail.com> References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC> , <338A1569-1E62-4904-9E0B-B28DB0B858C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: I know, but the audio captia is easy to understand, unlike Facebook. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Josh Gregory [joshkart12 at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 2:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks No offense but nobody uses MySpace anymore. There may be the occasional user but it's not nearly as popular as it used to be. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Ashley! > Myspace is the most accessible! > Moble is the way to go with Facebook. > Twitter doesn't have a captia either. > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 1:51 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] social networks > > Hi all, > > I’m planning to join social networks. I know facebook is the main one. > Can you comment on what others are useful and accessible? > > What does livejournal do? I mean other than creating a journal on it. Do you have communities on it or what? > > Has anyone used pinterest? How does that differ from facebook? Is it more accessible? > > For facebook accessibility, has this improved? Is it still best to use the mobile version for accessibility? How does it work? Do you have to invite individual friends to build a network? When you write on your profile, do all friends see it? Is accepting friends accessible? Also, is liking an organization accessible? I hope I can figure out how that is done because I would like to like several organizations on facebook. I assume that means follow them. > > Do most social networks have a captua? I know linked-in does. > > If they do, I’ll get sighted help. Audio ones are so scrambled I cannot understand them. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jun 21 22:06:21 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:06:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC><338A1569-1E62-4904-9E0B-B28DB0B858C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3BB08553A9C940D1BBC8A74E2AB870AA@OwnerPC> Zenep, Oh if you use twitter it must be accessible. I'm trying facebook first as its more popular. Ashley From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jun 21 22:11:39 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:11:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC> Joshua, No one uses myspace anymore; I believe they only have existing members who joined years back. Does facebook have a captia? Anyone tried pinterest? Thanks. Ashley From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Jun 21 22:15:48 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 22:15:48 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC> References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC> , <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Facebook has a captia. I tried to join, and after several attempts, I got on! Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I deleted my account. I'll use Twitter, once I get my Mac, because it's the second most accessible thing I've found. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Joshua, No one uses myspace anymore; I believe they only have existing members who joined years back. Does facebook have a captia? Anyone tried pinterest? Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jun 21 22:32:17 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:32:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC>, <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC> Joshua, Linked in has captias too. They are appearing more now. You said you had these problems. "Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I deleted my account." Are the problems you're describing with the using the mobile version? What will I need to send people friend requests? Will I need their email address? I'll also need a sighted helper if there's a captia as you say there is; I don't use firefox. Thanks for your feedback. I'll try it though but I won't invite many friends until I feel it out and decide if its user friendly enough. Ashley From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Jun 21 22:37:45 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 22:37:45 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: <37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC> References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC>, <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC> , <37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC> Message-ID: There's an audio captia that works well with Internet Explorer. I was using the regular version, because I was told that inviting people was impossible with the moble version. I found it impossible to even post, using both versions! Noone uses Myspace anymore, but it needs to make a comeback, or Twitter will take over! FB's going down! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Joshua, Linked in has captias too. They are appearing more now. You said you had these problems. "Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I deleted my account." Are the problems you're describing with the using the mobile version? What will I need to send people friend requests? Will I need their email address? I'll also need a sighted helper if there's a captia as you say there is; I don't use firefox. Thanks for your feedback. I'll try it though but I won't invite many friends until I feel it out and decide if its user friendly enough. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From blacklotus86 at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 00:05:48 2013 From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:05:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC> <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC> <37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, Do you use jaws? As far as I know, facebook works better with jaws 12 and later versions. I use both mobil and regular versions for FB and Twitter. both versions have some advantages. Searching people with their emails can be easy because you can find too many people with same first and last name.Do not forget to add us on facebook :) Thanks Zeynep 2013/6/21, Joshua Lester : > There's an audio captia that works well with Internet Explorer. > I was using the regular version, because I was told that inviting people was > impossible with the moble version. > I found it impossible to even post, using both versions! > Noone uses Myspace anymore, but it needs to make a comeback, or Twitter will > take over! > FB's going down! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett > [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks > > Joshua, > > Linked in has captias too. They are appearing more now. > You said you had these problems. > "Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I > deleted > my account." > > Are the problems you're describing with the using the mobile version? > What will I need to send people friend requests? Will I need their email > address? > I'll also need a sighted helper if there's a captia as you say there is; I > don't use firefox. > > > Thanks for your feedback. I'll try it though but I won't invite many > friends > until I feel it out and decide if its user friendly enough. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blacklotus86%40gmail.com > From gpaikens at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 00:59:57 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 20:59:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: <37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC> References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC>, <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC> <37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <6A956864-FCDA-40D6-8B1B-2C2156F6D656@gmail.com> Hi Ashley, Many, many blind people I know are using Facebook and twitter successfully. I appreciate you asking around about which social media people prefer to use, but now that you know that some blind people are having success with each of these major outlets, I would encourage you to go try them yourself. If you run into difficulties, you have a community of blind students just an email away to help you figure them out. Explaining the ins and outs of each one and their accessibility with screen readers would be a huge undertaking. Each social media outlet seems to have its own accessibility issues, but many of them can be worked around. So go explore. Most of them have a set up process or a newbie orientation that will walk you through the basics. Most will give you the option of importing your contacts from your email account to see if they are already on Facebook, twitter, etc. If you get stuck or frustrated, ask questions. IMO, learning to make use of social media is increasingly important socially and for employment. It can be frustrating but also a rewarding and valuable tool. best of luck, Greg On Jun 21, 2013, at 6:32 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > Joshua, > > Linked in has captias too. They are appearing more now. > You said you had these problems. > "Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I deleted my account." > > Are the problems you're describing with the using the mobile version? > What will I need to send people friend requests? Will I need their email address? > I'll also need a sighted helper if there's a captia as you say there is; I don't use firefox. > > > Thanks for your feedback. I'll try it though but I won't invite many friends until I feel it out and decide if its user friendly enough. > > > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 03:20:38 2013 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 23:20:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC>, <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC>, <37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7AAD89AF171643A19F53D619B69BDFE2@userPC> I use the moble verson of facebook it's a lot easyer to use then the regular site. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks There's an audio captia that works well with Internet Explorer. I was using the regular version, because I was told that inviting people was impossible with the moble version. I found it impossible to even post, using both versions! Noone uses Myspace anymore, but it needs to make a comeback, or Twitter will take over! FB's going down! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Joshua, Linked in has captias too. They are appearing more now. You said you had these problems. "Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I deleted my account." Are the problems you're describing with the using the mobile version? What will I need to send people friend requests? Will I need their email address? I'll also need a sighted helper if there's a captia as you say there is; I don't use firefox. Thanks for your feedback. I'll try it though but I won't invite many friends until I feel it out and decide if its user friendly enough. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua .edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma il.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 03:22:28 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 23:22:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: <7AAD89AF171643A19F53D619B69BDFE2@userPC> References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC>, <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC>, <37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC> <7AAD89AF171643A19F53D619B69BDFE2@userPC> Message-ID: <012901ce6ef7$b9c97c10$2d5c7430$@gmail.com> I second the mobile facebook. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail LMT Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 11:21 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks I use the moble verson of facebook it's a lot easyer to use then the regular site. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks There's an audio captia that works well with Internet Explorer. I was using the regular version, because I was told that inviting people was impossible with the moble version. I found it impossible to even post, using both versions! Noone uses Myspace anymore, but it needs to make a comeback, or Twitter will take over! FB's going down! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Joshua, Linked in has captias too. They are appearing more now. You said you had these problems. "Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I deleted my account." Are the problems you're describing with the using the mobile version? What will I need to send people friend requests? Will I need their email address? I'll also need a sighted helper if there's a captia as you say there is; I don't use firefox. Thanks for your feedback. I'll try it though but I won't invite many friends until I feel it out and decide if its user friendly enough. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua .edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 20:31:22 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 13:31:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! Message-ID: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com> The following announcement comes from Sean Whalen, President, National Association of Blind Students: Good morning! We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar and business meeting at 7:00pm on Tuesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that this will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we would love to see you there! Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we have excellent door prizes up for grabs, including a little bit of $$$. We will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the meeting with a fatter wallet! Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do so, you will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting day, pay to register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their own faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their contact info. So, visit the preregistration form at: http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/register-2013-nabs-annual-meeting and simplify your life! And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too will be double entered into the door prize pool. The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in the near future. Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or concerns. We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida! Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students (608) 332-4147 nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com Sat Jun 22 21:14:02 2013 From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:14:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com> References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> Hi, I am a member of both NABS and NAGDU along with being a prospective teacher. After looking at the schedule I am having a hard time knowing where I need to be at all times. Many of the events I wish to attend are being held at the same time. How can I make sure i am reaching as much information as possible if all of the division meetings overlap? This is my first time at nationals. Any advice is appreciated Thanks, Bridget Sent from my iPad On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > The following announcement comes from Sean Whalen, President, National Association of Blind Students: > > > > Good morning! > > We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar and business meeting at 7:00pm on Tuesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that this will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we would love to see you there! > > Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we have excellent door prizes up for grabs, including a little bit of $$$. We will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the meeting with a fatter wallet! > > Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do so, you will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting day, pay to register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their own faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their contact info. So, visit the preregistration form at: http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/register-2013-nabs-annual-meeting and simplify your life! > > And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too will be double entered into the door prize pool. > > The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in the near future. > > Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or concerns. > > We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida! > > Sean Whalen > President, National Association of Blind Students > (608) 332-4147 > nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org > > > > > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Jun 22 21:23:39 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 21:23:39 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com>, <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, Bridget! This is my problem with the NFB! We have too many divisions, so we're forced to overlap the division meetings at conventions! I feel we should root out divisions that we don't need! That's just my 2 cents worth! For instance, I'd merge the musicians group, with the Performing Arts division, so it will just be one meeting, instead of two. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bridget Walker [bridgetawalker13 at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! Hi, I am a member of both NABS and NAGDU along with being a prospective teacher. After looking at the schedule I am having a hard time knowing where I need to be at all times. Many of the events I wish to attend are being held at the same time. How can I make sure i am reaching as much information as possible if all of the division meetings overlap? This is my first time at nationals. Any advice is appreciated Thanks, Bridget Sent from my iPad On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > The following announcement comes from Sean Whalen, President, National Association of Blind Students: > > > > Good morning! > > We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar and business meeting at 7:00pm on Tuesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that this will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we would love to see you there! > > Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we have excellent door prizes up for grabs, including a little bit of $$$. We will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the meeting with a fatter wallet! > > Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do so, you will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting day, pay to register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their own faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their contact info. So, visit the preregistration form at: http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/register-2013-nabs-annual-meeting and simplify your life! > > And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too will be double entered into the door prize pool. > > The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in the near future. > > Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or concerns. > > We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida! > > Sean Whalen > President, National Association of Blind Students > (608) 332-4147 > nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org > > > > > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 21:26:49 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:26:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com>, <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> Message-ID: <009301ce6f8f$35628aa0$a0279fe0$@gmail.com> Oooooooo Josh. Someboby gona get youuuuu! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! Hi, Bridget! This is my problem with the NFB! We have too many divisions, so we're forced to overlap the division meetings at conventions! I feel we should root out divisions that we don't need! That's just my 2 cents worth! For instance, I'd merge the musicians group, with the Performing Arts division, so it will just be one meeting, instead of two. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bridget Walker [bridgetawalker13 at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! Hi, I am a member of both NABS and NAGDU along with being a prospective teacher. After looking at the schedule I am having a hard time knowing where I need to be at all times. Many of the events I wish to attend are being held at the same time. How can I make sure i am reaching as much information as possible if all of the division meetings overlap? This is my first time at nationals. Any advice is appreciated Thanks, Bridget Sent from my iPad On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > The following announcement comes from Sean Whalen, President, National Association of Blind Students: > > > > Good morning! > > We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar and business meeting at 7:00pm on Tuesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that this will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we would love to see you there! > > Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we have excellent door prizes up for grabs, including a little bit of $$$. We will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the meeting with a fatter wallet! > > Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do so, you will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting day, pay to register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their own faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their contact info. So, visit the preregistration form at: http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/register-2013-nabs-annual-meeting and simplify your life! > > And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too will be double entered into the door prize pool. > > The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in the near future. > > Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or concerns. > > We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida! > > Sean Whalen > President, National Association of Blind Students > (608) 332-4147 > nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org > > > > > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: > @nabslink >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further Donate your car to the >> National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or >> call 1-855-659-9314 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalke > r13%40aol.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua edu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Jun 22 21:31:22 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 21:31:22 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: <009301ce6f8f$35628aa0$a0279fe0$@gmail.com> References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com>, <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> , <009301ce6f8f$35628aa0$a0279fe0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: LOL! I'm telling the truth! And please, I beg of you guys, please, don't let the resolutions go past 5 PM, on that Wednesday! We have a showcase of talent to get to, so our scholarship winners that are supposed to sing, need to get out in time to get ready to perform! It was a mess, last year! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:26 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! Oooooooo Josh. Someboby gona get youuuuu! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! Hi, Bridget! This is my problem with the NFB! We have too many divisions, so we're forced to overlap the division meetings at conventions! I feel we should root out divisions that we don't need! That's just my 2 cents worth! For instance, I'd merge the musicians group, with the Performing Arts division, so it will just be one meeting, instead of two. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bridget Walker [bridgetawalker13 at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! Hi, I am a member of both NABS and NAGDU along with being a prospective teacher. After looking at the schedule I am having a hard time knowing where I need to be at all times. Many of the events I wish to attend are being held at the same time. How can I make sure i am reaching as much information as possible if all of the division meetings overlap? This is my first time at nationals. Any advice is appreciated Thanks, Bridget Sent from my iPad On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > The following announcement comes from Sean Whalen, President, National Association of Blind Students: > > > > Good morning! > > We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar and business meeting at 7:00pm on Tuesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that this will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we would love to see you there! > > Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we have excellent door prizes up for grabs, including a little bit of $$$. We will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the meeting with a fatter wallet! > > Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do so, you will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting day, pay to register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their own faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their contact info. So, visit the preregistration form at: http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/register-2013-nabs-annual-meeting and simplify your life! > > And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too will be double entered into the door prize pool. > > The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in the near future. > > Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or concerns. > > We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida! > > Sean Whalen > President, National Association of Blind Students > (608) 332-4147 > nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org > > > > > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: > @nabslink >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further Donate your car to the >> National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or >> call 1-855-659-9314 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalke > r13%40aol.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua edu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Jun 22 21:50:06 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 21:50:06 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Things I'd change about the NFB Convention schedule, and the organization, as a whole! Message-ID: Hi Listers! I appologize in advance, if anything I say offends anyone, but this is what I've noticed at the two conventions I attended. #1. Everybody gets in on that Friday night! There's nothing going on then, so why not put the Mock-trial on that Friday night? Having it close to the time of the NABS meeting, isn't very good timing, especially for the marshalls! I had to be on the marshalling team for the NABS meeting, last year, and it was too hectic for me! I couldn't find my marshalling team, because it was impossible for me to hear, as loud as it was! Next, as I said in a previous thread, I'd cut out some of the divisions that we don't need! The musicians group needs to merge with PAD, so that we have one less meeting to have to attend! Sunday afternoons aren't the best time for meetings, especially if we have the mock-trial at 4 PM, like we did in Dallas, last year! I haven't read the schedule this year, so I don't know when anything is! Hopefully it won't be as hectic this year. Finally, I'd put a time limit on each resolution, so that we don't let them overlap with the stuff on Wednesday night! Scholarship winners are required to attend the resolutions, but if we have a scholarship winner that's supposed to sing at the showcase of talent, (for example,) we need to make sure that those resolutions don't go past 5 PM, so that the performers can get ready to go. If I'm asked to marshall at next year's convention, (if I get to attend,) I'd appreciate it if it would be more orderly than it was last year! I'm tired of the cayotic nature of conventions, no matter what they may be! I attended the Beta Club Convention, when I was in High School, for my junior and senior years, and they weren't near is disorderly as last year's deal! Blessings, Joshua From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 21:51:49 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:51:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com> <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> <009301ce6f8f$35628aa0$a0279fe0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4333392031880438393@unknownmsgid> I will pass the word along to Sharon Maneki. :) Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > LOL! > I'm telling the truth! > And please, I beg of you guys, please, don't let the resolutions go past 5 PM, on that Wednesday! > We have a showcase of talent to get to, so our scholarship winners that are supposed to sing, need to get out in time to get ready to perform! > It was a mess, last year! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:26 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! > > Oooooooo Josh. Someboby gona get youuuuu! > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:24 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come > early, and win some cash! > > Hi, Bridget! > This is my problem with the NFB! > We have too many divisions, so we're forced to overlap the division meetings > at conventions! > I feel we should root out divisions that we don't need! > That's just my 2 cents worth! > For instance, I'd merge the musicians group, with the Performing Arts > division, so it will just be one meeting, instead of two. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bridget Walker > [bridgetawalker13 at aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come > early, and win some cash! > > Hi, > > I am a member of both NABS and NAGDU along with being a prospective teacher. > After looking at the schedule I am having a hard time knowing where I need > to be at all times. Many of the events I wish to attend are being held at > the same time. > How can I make sure i am reaching as much information as possible if all of > the division meetings overlap? This is my first time at nationals. > Any advice is appreciated > > Thanks, > > Bridget > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > >> The following announcement comes from Sean Whalen, President, National > Association of Blind Students: >> >> >> >> Good morning! >> >> We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar > and business meeting at 7:00pm on Tuesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom F, > located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that this > will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we would > love to see you there! >> >> Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will > begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register > early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on > any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To > encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is > registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line > and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, > you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we have > excellent door prizes up for grabs, including a little bit of $$$. We will > also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during registration > for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with fellow students > while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the meeting with a > fatter wallet! >> >> Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall > receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to offer > you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do so, you > will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting day, pay to > register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their own > faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their contact > info. So, visit the preregistration form at: > http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/register-2013-nabs-annual-meeting and > simplify your life! >> >> And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too > will be double entered into the door prize pool. >> >> The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in > the near future. >> >> Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or > concerns. >> >> We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida! >> >> Sean Whalen >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> (608) 332-4147 >> nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org >> >> >> >> >> >> Darian Smith >> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> www.nabslink.org >> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: >> @nabslink >>> >>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further Donate your car to the >>> National Federation of the Blind today! >>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or >>> call 1-855-659-9314 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalke >> r13%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua > edu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Jun 22 21:58:03 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 21:58:03 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: <4333392031880438393@unknownmsgid> References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com> <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> <009301ce6f8f$35628aa0$a0279fe0$@gmail.com> , <4333392031880438393@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I appreciate it! I won't be there this year, but I don't want Julie to be held up by resolutions. She needs to be able to sing on time! Is dunphy still streaming the showcase of talent? Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:51 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! I will pass the word along to Sharon Maneki. :) Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > LOL! > I'm telling the truth! > And please, I beg of you guys, please, don't let the resolutions go past 5 PM, on that Wednesday! > We have a showcase of talent to get to, so our scholarship winners that are supposed to sing, need to get out in time to get ready to perform! > It was a mess, last year! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:26 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! > > Oooooooo Josh. Someboby gona get youuuuu! > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:24 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come > early, and win some cash! > > Hi, Bridget! > This is my problem with the NFB! > We have too many divisions, so we're forced to overlap the division meetings > at conventions! > I feel we should root out divisions that we don't need! > That's just my 2 cents worth! > For instance, I'd merge the musicians group, with the Performing Arts > division, so it will just be one meeting, instead of two. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bridget Walker > [bridgetawalker13 at aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 4:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come > early, and win some cash! > > Hi, > > I am a member of both NABS and NAGDU along with being a prospective teacher. > After looking at the schedule I am having a hard time knowing where I need > to be at all times. Many of the events I wish to attend are being held at > the same time. > How can I make sure i am reaching as much information as possible if all of > the division meetings overlap? This is my first time at nationals. > Any advice is appreciated > > Thanks, > > Bridget > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > >> The following announcement comes from Sean Whalen, President, National > Association of Blind Students: >> >> >> >> Good morning! >> >> We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar > and business meeting at 7:00pm on Tuesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom F, > located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that this > will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we would > love to see you there! >> >> Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will > begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register > early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on > any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To > encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is > registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line > and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, > you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we have > excellent door prizes up for grabs, including a little bit of $$$. We will > also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during registration > for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with fellow students > while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the meeting with a > fatter wallet! >> >> Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall > receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to offer > you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do so, you > will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting day, pay to > register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their own > faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their contact > info. So, visit the preregistration form at: > http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/register-2013-nabs-annual-meeting and > simplify your life! >> >> And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too > will be double entered into the door prize pool. >> >> The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in > the near future. >> >> Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or > concerns. >> >> We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida! >> >> Sean Whalen >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> (608) 332-4147 >> nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org >> >> >> >> >> >> Darian Smith >> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> www.nabslink.org >> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: >> @nabslink >>> >>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further Donate your car to the >>> National Federation of the Blind today! >>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or >>> call 1-855-659-9314 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalke >> r13%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua > edu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 22:24:18 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 16:24:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Juggling Convention Schedules Message-ID: Hi Bridget, I definitely understand the problem of having too many division meetings happening at the same time and wondering how to get to all of them. Here's my advice to first-time convention attendees as someone who's been to eleven national conventions now: 1. Go through the agenda and write down all the meetings you want to attend. Then make yourself a daily schedule with this information that you can keep in a portable place (iPhone, Braille Note etc.) Include times and room locations on the schedule. 2. If meetings are at the same time, it's OK to attend some of both. You can pop into NABS for an hour and then go to the other division meeting or vice versa. Just sit near the door and be discreet when entering and exiting meetings. (And please don't let your dog lie across the doorway! Not joking, this happened with someone's dog once at a meeting, and it prevented me from leaving the meeting early in a discreet quiet manner)! 3. If you have two or more meetings at the same time and don't want to have to miss some of each, you can pick one meeting to attend in its entirety, and then arrange for a friend or fellow division member to fill you in on events happening at the meeting(s) you missed. Obviously, if you are an officer in a division or asked to speak at a meeting, that division's meeting should take priority. 4. If you are a student, you can sign up for the NABS mentoring program and be matched up with a mentor. The mentoring program includes a welcome meeting for all mentors and mentees on Monday from 6:00-7:30. I am not sure if the online sign-ups are still active but if you want to be paired up with a mentor, email me off-list at arielle71 at gmail.com Best, and enjoy the convention, Arielle From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jun 22 22:30:52 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 18:30:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com><03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com><009301ce6f8f$35628aa0$a0279fe0$@gmail.com>, <4333392031880438393@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I hope he does stream the show case of talent. I am not in convention either. But like joshua, I want to hear it! From deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com Sat Jun 22 22:44:18 2013 From: deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com (Deb Mendelsohn) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:44:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com> <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> <009301ce6f8f$35628aa0$a0279fe0$@gmail.com> <4333392031880438393@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi I have 2 take summer school 4 my MLS so I can't attend. How do I renew my NABS membership? TIA DEB Deb Cell (520) 225-8244 On Jun 22, 2013 3:31 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > I hope he does stream the show case of talent. I am not in convention > either. > But like joshua, I want to hear it! > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/deb.mendelsohn%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Jun 22 23:03:53 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 23:03:53 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com> <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> <009301ce6f8f$35628aa0$a0279fe0$@gmail.com> <4333392031880438393@unknownmsgid> , Message-ID: Just send $5.00 to your state NABS president. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Deb Mendelsohn [deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Come early, and win some cash! Hi I have 2 take summer school 4 my MLS so I can't attend. How do I renew my NABS membership? TIA DEB Deb Cell (520) 225-8244 On Jun 22, 2013 3:31 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > I hope he does stream the show case of talent. I am not in convention > either. > But like joshua, I want to hear it! > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/deb.mendelsohn%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jun 23 02:25:07 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 22:25:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible IPhone Games In-Reply-To: References: <005401ce6aea$6be19340$43a4b9c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0BCE17D0F7BA476881D90545FCA5F3AC@OwnerPC> what is stem stumper about? -----Original Message----- From: Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible IPhone Games Stem Stumper is a sound-based game, and accessible. The developer makes every effort to make his games accessible. Antonio On Jun 16, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote: > Hello all, > I don't usually play games on my IPhone because school keeps me super > busy. > Now that summer is here and I have a little bit of free time amidst some > summer classes, I was wondering what kinds of fun as well as educational > accessible games there are that are compatible with voiceover? > Thanks in advance and I look forward to reading your responses! > Best, Hannah Chadwick > University of California, Davis CA > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jun 23 19:22:27 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:22:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks In-Reply-To: References: <2D1D07C158BA4848A391DBE04B7B9056@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <813F25A1545D4E78ADC7A6FB92F16342@OwnerPC> Rania, Thanks to you and the handful of people who wrote in. Rainia, I think your technique of having the client read you what is on the form will work in many situations. However, I still cannot think of a way to check IDS or papers such as bills to verify identification or addresses. I suppose a high powered small magnifier might work, but I don't own one and a volunteer job wouldn't be able to purchase it. Unfortunately, after speaking to the volunteer coordinator, we determined that the front desk wasn't the best job for me. I was really hopeful I could work something out. I suggested having them read the forms and she expressed legitimate concerns. One is the ability to read the form back articulately and the other is a language barrier. I am hoping I can still perform some office tasks for them that are more writing driven such as writing letters or articles. As of now though, I have nothing from them. They said they'd get back to me with something to do. So, I'll just have to see if this works out. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail LMT Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:57 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks Hi Ashley, I can answer one of your questions. As a massage therapist I have the client fill out a health history form before their massage. I have the client or one of my co-workers read me what is on the form and I make my own notes on what the client put on their form that way. The form is not that long so I think you could have someone read it to you as long as it is not to long. Hope that helps. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:15 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks Hi all, I'm posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are students or recent graduates. But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. I'm finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more experience to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience, confidence, and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I really need for work. I'm finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to support the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these questions. Here they are. As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions which is discouraging. Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and designing documents. So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have barcodes now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients fill out and you read it to enter in data. Is Access accessible? I figured if it's a short form another person can read me the data. 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers that talk? 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jun 23 19:25:34 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:25:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] office tasks In-Reply-To: References: <2D1D07C158BA4848A391DBE04B7B9056@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Kaiti, That's great you had a campus job. How many hours was it? How do you supervise the computer lab? You don't have to check ids, I assume. But you would have to see if people are students and monitor behavior. Do you have help at the front? I know at some schools two people are up there supervising the room. Anyway, I think Arielle is right; if it weren't for checking IDS and getting people to sign in,the receptionist job would be accessible. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 4:54 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks Hi Ashley, Exactly. I did eventually find a job that isn't too visual. I'm basically gong to supervise one of the computer labs and do some audio editing, but I had those same concerns with a few of the receptionist jobs I applied for. Glad to hear you're using the office professional list. Hopefully they will be able to offer an idea or two. On Friday, June 14, 2013, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Kaiti, > Ah, well we thought of the same issues. > Did you end up finding a suitable campus job you could do? > > I noticed that much of the student jobs involved working at the reception > desks where they did answering questions, answering phones, and performing > other light office tasks like handing out papers, making copies, and > scheduling appointments. > One reason I did not pursue campus employment was because such tasks were > visual. > It involved lots of paperwork and sometimes you had to check IDS depending > on what task you handled. > I wish I could have done that work as it would have given me much needed > money and experience. > Instead, I got my work experience in the summers. > > Anyway, I'm still thinking of what might work. > I already am checking with the office professionals list. > > Thanks. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 2:32 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] office tasks > > Ashley, > > These are things I wondered myself when I was looking for campus jobs, > although obviously you're situation have much more significance. > Unfortunately I can't offer much in the way of personal experiences or > tips and tricks I've found, but in case you don't know there is an > office professionals division which might be another good list to try > asking this question on. I would think those people would have ideas > and solutions that they have used successfully. > > Hope you find some solutions, and good luck in the job search. :) > > On 6/14/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I’m posting these questions on other lists too since most of us are >> students >> or recent graduates. >> But we have such an active list, that some of you may have some ideas. >> I’m finished school, at least for now, and trying to find more >> experience >> to get a job; I may volunteer meanwhile to gain some experience, >> confidence, >> and networks. I did internships, but few of them gave me the experience I >> really need for work. >> >> I’m finding that much of the tasks volunteers do are supplemental to >> support >> the office and its visual. Two tasks are filing and data entry. >> Another idea is working at a front desk which leads me to these >> questions. >> Here they are. >> As you see, tasks like signing people in, checking IDs, and reading forms >> are visual which poses some challenges to get a position. >> Many entry level jobs are rather visual too in their job descriptions >> which >> is discouraging. >> Tasks like copying, filing, data entry, and using social media sites and >> designing documents. >> So its challenging to find a job or even volunteer. >> >> 1. How can you check IDS? All state IDs and drivers licenses have >> barcodes >> now a days. Are they scannable with a barcode reader of some kind? >> >> I can see a little. I wonder if there is a compact magnifier I could use >> for this? I never liked cctvs; too big and combersome. >> >> >> >> 2. How do you handle handwritten paperwork? I mean forms that clients >> fill >> out and you read it to enter in data. >> >> Is Access accessible? >> >> I figured if it’s a short form another person can read me the data. >> >> >> >> 3. How do you use the copier? Many are digital screen based. Any copiers >> that talk? >> >> >> >> 4. How would you handle sorting, tracking, and distributing mail? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> Ashley >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** >> org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.**com >> >> > > -- > Kaiti > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.**net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_**nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/**mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.** > org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.**com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jun 23 19:27:42 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:27:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8EE0090AAB0841AE931FB6530F51BF82@OwnerPC> Brice, Can you explain more? Is this 20 pages free a month or what? Also, what file formats can you upload for it to convert? Other than word, which formats will it send back? What is the turn around time to get the document to you? I didn't know it would convert image pdfs. I might have to try it out. Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Brice Smith Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:51 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's Give ABBYY FineReader Online a try: http://finereader.abbyyonline.com/en - The first 20 pages are free at last check, and you can purchase packages after that. I use it all the time. Brice On 6/13/13, Kayla Weathers wrote: > Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible pdf’s > to word format that is accessible with JAWS? > Thanks, Kayla > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jun 23 19:31:12 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:31:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's In-Reply-To: <536812B3-36C1-4B19-88D5-89D73D41C488@gmail.com> References: <536812B3-36C1-4B19-88D5-89D73D41C488@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14214683D3FF41758C4EB7CF63667E98@OwnerPC> Hope, I've heard of this but know little about it. Where do you get DocuScan plus? Does it cost and if so how much? What other file formats will it convert to other than word? Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Converting inaccessible PDF's DocuScan plus Will also convert PDF documents to word documents Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2013, at 12:11 PM, "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > If you already have Kurzweil 1000 or Open Book as some students do, they > will convert such PDF's. If not, off-the-shelf OCR > programs such as FineReader and OmniPage will do it as well. Nuance, the > makers of OmniPage, also has a PDF converter product, but I > am not sure if that product has OCR built-in and whether you can get it as > a stand-alone product. Other OCR software may have this > ability as well. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 11:38:19 -0400, Kayla Weathers wrote: > >> Hi, can anyone recommend software that will convert inaccessible pdfs >> to word format that is accessible with JAWS? >> Thanks, Kayla > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jun 23 19:42:56 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:42:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC><338A1569-1E62-4904-9E0B-B28DB0B858C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Julie, Julie, Are you a singer? I was guessing that by your name you chose. I will likely join live journal. I have wordpress but cannot seem to create headings on my pages. I cannot get to the tool bar to do that. I've had help doing that so far. When you post to live journal, can you create headings and titles for each post? Can you creat pages or is it all one long page? Will it automatically date your entries? Also, how do you share it with friends? Do they have to have a password to get in or be live journal bloggers to read it? With wordpress, anyone can see your blog as long as they know the url for it. Also what are communities? How do only members enter them? By passwords? Can you create communities and invite those you want to? For instance, I might want to make a beep ball community for our league if that's possible. Finally, can you post other media such as audio or pictures to it? I checked wordpress's tutorial and found you can only upload pictures, no audio or video for free. You can put a link to a youtube video, but no direct videos. Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Julie McGinnity Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 3:47 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Hi all, I currently use live journal and find it to be very accessible. It is a journal(or blog) that you share with friends. I like it because it is a little more anonymous than facebook, and people tend to write longer updates in Live Journal. I have made some of my closest friends through live journal. There are also communities that you can join on any topic. Look at me... I sound like a Live Journal billboard... But I would definitely recommend it to anyone who enjoys writing. Ashley, if you have more questions about Live Journal, feel free to ask me, and if you get an account and want to friend me, my user name is soprano1790. On 6/21/13, Josh Gregory wrote: > No offense but nobody uses MySpace anymore. There may be the occasional > user > but it's not nearly as popular as it used to be. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 21, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Ashley! >> Myspace is the most accessible! >> Moble is the way to go with Facebook. >> Twitter doesn't have a captia either. >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett >> [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 1:51 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] social networks >> >> Hi all, >> >> I’m planning to join social networks. I know facebook is the main one. >> Can you comment on what others are useful and accessible? >> >> What does livejournal do? I mean other than creating a journal on it. Do >> you have communities on it or what? >> >> Has anyone used pinterest? How does that differ from facebook? Is it more >> accessible? >> >> For facebook accessibility, has this improved? Is it still best to use >> the >> mobile version for accessibility? How does it work? Do you have to invite >> individual friends to build a network? When you write on your profile, do >> all friends see it? Is accepting friends accessible? Also, is liking an >> organization accessible? I hope I can figure out how that is done because >> I would like to like several organizations on facebook. I assume that >> means follow them. >> >> Do most social networks have a captua? I know linked-in does. >> >> If they do, I’ll get sighted help. Audio ones are so scrambled I cannot >> understand them. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jun 23 19:49:31 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:49:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC>, <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC>, <37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <660B7CEB148849BD9C1FA11E77794551@OwnerPC> Joshua, I think twitter is already taking over at the rate we're heading. Anyway, accepting friends and inviting them is very important to make facebook worthwhile. Has anyone else encountered the issue Joshua had? Can you accept and invite friends with the regular version? If not, does the mobile version work to do this? Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks There's an audio captia that works well with Internet Explorer. I was using the regular version, because I was told that inviting people was impossible with the moble version. I found it impossible to even post, using both versions! Noone uses Myspace anymore, but it needs to make a comeback, or Twitter will take over! FB's going down! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Joshua, Linked in has captias too. They are appearing more now. You said you had these problems. "Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I deleted my account." Are the problems you're describing with the using the mobile version? What will I need to send people friend requests? Will I need their email address? I'll also need a sighted helper if there's a captia as you say there is; I don't use firefox. Thanks for your feedback. I'll try it though but I won't invite many friends until I feel it out and decide if its user friendly enough. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jun 23 19:52:57 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 15:52:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC><4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC><37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Zeynep, I use jaws 14 so I can take advantage of any improvements jaws has. Glad for the tip. I'll search with email addresses if I know them. You said there's advantages to both. I always heard the regular site was hard to use with jaws. So what advantages will you have with the regular facebook? Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: zeynep sule yilmaz Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 8:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Hi Ashley, Do you use jaws? As far as I know, facebook works better with jaws 12 and later versions. I use both mobil and regular versions for FB and Twitter. both versions have some advantages. Searching people with their emails can be easy because you can find too many people with same first and last name.Do not forget to add us on facebook :) Thanks Zeynep 2013/6/21, Joshua Lester : > There's an audio captia that works well with Internet Explorer. > I was using the regular version, because I was told that inviting people > was > impossible with the moble version. > I found it impossible to even post, using both versions! > Noone uses Myspace anymore, but it needs to make a comeback, or Twitter > will > take over! > FB's going down! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett > [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks > > Joshua, > > Linked in has captias too. They are appearing more now. > You said you had these problems. > "Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I > deleted > my account." > > Are the problems you're describing with the using the mobile version? > What will I need to send people friend requests? Will I need their email > address? > I'll also need a sighted helper if there's a captia as you say there is; I > don't use firefox. > > > Thanks for your feedback. I'll try it though but I won't invite many > friends > until I feel it out and decide if its user friendly enough. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blacklotus86%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sun Jun 23 19:53:31 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:53:31 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: <660B7CEB148849BD9C1FA11E77794551@OwnerPC> References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC>, <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC>, <37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC> , <660B7CEB148849BD9C1FA11E77794551@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Nothing works using Windows Vista, IE7, and an old 2009 Acer lap top! Things haven't been going my way, so I haven't been able to get my Mac! I'm tired of all of this waiting around! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Joshua, I think twitter is already taking over at the rate we're heading. Anyway, accepting friends and inviting them is very important to make facebook worthwhile. Has anyone else encountered the issue Joshua had? Can you accept and invite friends with the regular version? If not, does the mobile version work to do this? Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks There's an audio captia that works well with Internet Explorer. I was using the regular version, because I was told that inviting people was impossible with the moble version. I found it impossible to even post, using both versions! Noone uses Myspace anymore, but it needs to make a comeback, or Twitter will take over! FB's going down! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Joshua, Linked in has captias too. They are appearing more now. You said you had these problems. "Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I deleted my account." Are the problems you're describing with the using the mobile version? What will I need to send people friend requests? Will I need their email address? I'll also need a sighted helper if there's a captia as you say there is; I don't use firefox. Thanks for your feedback. I'll try it though but I won't invite many friends until I feel it out and decide if its user friendly enough. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jun 23 20:09:08 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:09:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC>, <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC>, <37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC>, <660B7CEB148849BD9C1FA11E77794551@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Joshua, Well, vista had several bugs; that is why windows 7 quickly replaced it then. Sounds like your problems are not jaws related, but because you have an old laptop and old operating system. Hope you can get a new one soon. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Nothing works using Windows Vista, IE7, and an old 2009 Acer lap top! Things haven't been going my way, so I haven't been able to get my Mac! I'm tired of all of this waiting around! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Joshua, I think twitter is already taking over at the rate we're heading. Anyway, accepting friends and inviting them is very important to make facebook worthwhile. Has anyone else encountered the issue Joshua had? Can you accept and invite friends with the regular version? If not, does the mobile version work to do this? Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks There's an audio captia that works well with Internet Explorer. I was using the regular version, because I was told that inviting people was impossible with the moble version. I found it impossible to even post, using both versions! Noone uses Myspace anymore, but it needs to make a comeback, or Twitter will take over! FB's going down! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Joshua, Linked in has captias too. They are appearing more now. You said you had these problems. "Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I deleted my account." Are the problems you're describing with the using the mobile version? What will I need to send people friend requests? Will I need their email address? I'll also need a sighted helper if there's a captia as you say there is; I don't use firefox. Thanks for your feedback. I'll try it though but I won't invite many friends until I feel it out and decide if its user friendly enough. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sun Jun 23 20:11:40 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:11:40 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC>, <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC>, <37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC>, <660B7CEB148849BD9C1FA11E77794551@OwnerPC> , Message-ID: If only there was a Best Buy, close by! The closest one is in Little Rock, which is wo hours from here. Oh well! BTW, I'm using Jaws 10.0! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Joshua, Well, vista had several bugs; that is why windows 7 quickly replaced it then. Sounds like your problems are not jaws related, but because you have an old laptop and old operating system. Hope you can get a new one soon. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Nothing works using Windows Vista, IE7, and an old 2009 Acer lap top! Things haven't been going my way, so I haven't been able to get my Mac! I'm tired of all of this waiting around! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Joshua, I think twitter is already taking over at the rate we're heading. Anyway, accepting friends and inviting them is very important to make facebook worthwhile. Has anyone else encountered the issue Joshua had? Can you accept and invite friends with the regular version? If not, does the mobile version work to do this? Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks There's an audio captia that works well with Internet Explorer. I was using the regular version, because I was told that inviting people was impossible with the moble version. I found it impossible to even post, using both versions! Noone uses Myspace anymore, but it needs to make a comeback, or Twitter will take over! FB's going down! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Joshua, Linked in has captias too. They are appearing more now. You said you had these problems. "Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I deleted my account." Are the problems you're describing with the using the mobile version? What will I need to send people friend requests? Will I need their email address? I'll also need a sighted helper if there's a captia as you say there is; I don't use firefox. Thanks for your feedback. I'll try it though but I won't invite many friends until I feel it out and decide if its user friendly enough. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From kaybaycar at gmail.com Sun Jun 23 23:13:11 2013 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:13:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC> <4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC> <37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC> <660B7CEB148849BD9C1FA11E77794551@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, Yes, I am a singer. I created my live journal almost 4 years ago, and some things have changed, so if some of my answers aren't exactly spot on, that's why. The website creates headings for you. Each journal entry is a heading on my journal. It's all about the layout of your journal. You can custumize it to be what you want. If you have more questions about that once you get started, I can look at my settings and help you. You can title your journal entries by giving them subjects. You don't exactly have pages because you have several entries to a page. You can make entries public(anyone can see them) or friends locked(only your live journal friends can see them). When you set up your journal, you can make it clear what you want your defaults to be with regards to public entries, so you can choose if you only want live journal users to see them or people outside of live journal as well. As for communities, you can join a community. It's like adding a friend. When you post, you can select in a combo box, if your post goes to a certain community. You can moderate a community. I don't know how it works, but I know it's accessible(I know blind people who do it), but the only people who can join your community are live journal users. People outside of live journal may be able to watch your community(read the entries posted to that community), but I'm not sure about that. I can ask a friend and get back to you. As for media, you can post photos, imbed videos, and post all kinds of links. I have a friend who is blind and imbeds videos, so I think that is accessible. I post links all the time. I don't know about pictures, but I doubt that would be a problem either. Very good questions! On 6/23/13, Joshua Lester wrote: > If only there was a Best Buy, close by! > The closest one is in Little Rock, which is wo hours from here. > Oh well! > BTW, I'm using Jaws 10.0! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett > [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:09 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks > > Joshua, > Well, vista had several bugs; that is why windows 7 quickly replaced it > then. > Sounds like your problems are not jaws related, but because you have an old > laptop and old operating system. > Hope you can get a new one soon. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:53 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks > > Nothing works using Windows Vista, IE7, and an old 2009 Acer lap top! > Things haven't been going my way, so I haven't been able to get my Mac! > I'm tired of all of this waiting around! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett > [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks > > Joshua, > I think twitter is already taking over at the rate we're heading. > Anyway, accepting friends and inviting them is very important to make > facebook worthwhile. > > Has anyone else encountered the issue Joshua had? > Can you accept and invite friends with the regular version? If not, does > the > mobile version work to do this? > Thanks. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks > > There's an audio captia that works well with Internet Explorer. > I was using the regular version, because I was told that inviting people > was > impossible with the moble version. > I found it impossible to even post, using both versions! > Noone uses Myspace anymore, but it needs to make a comeback, or Twitter > will > take over! > FB's going down! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett > [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks > > Joshua, > > Linked in has captias too. They are appearing more now. > You said you had these problems. > "Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I > deleted > my account." > > Are the problems you're describing with the using the mobile version? > What will I need to send people friend requests? Will I need their email > address? > I'll also need a sighted helper if there's a captia as you say there is; I > don't use firefox. > > > Thanks for your feedback. I'll try it though but I won't invite many > friends > until I feel it out and decide if its user friendly enough. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From lissa1531 at gmail.com Sun Jun 23 23:48:00 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:48:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Comeearly, and win some cash! References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com> <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> Message-ID: I have the same problem. And its my 15 or so convention. Arielle gave some really good advice. Blessings, Melissa Green and PJ facebook Melissa R Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 Goodreads Melissa Green ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridget Walker" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Comeearly, and win some cash! Hi, I am a member of both NABS and NAGDU along with being a prospective teacher. After looking at the schedule I am having a hard time knowing where I need to be at all times. Many of the events I wish to attend are being held at the same time. How can I make sure i am reaching as much information as possible if all of the division meetings overlap? This is my first time at nationals. Any advice is appreciated Thanks, Bridget Sent from my iPad On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > The following announcement comes from Sean Whalen, President, National > Association of Blind Students: > > > > Good morning! > > We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar > and business meeting at 7:00pm on Tuesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom > F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that > this will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we > would love to see you there! > > Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will > begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register > early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on > any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To > encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is > registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line > and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, > you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we > have excellent door prizes up for grabs, including a little bit of $$$. We > will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during > registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with > fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the > meeting with a fatter wallet! > > Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall > receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to > offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do > so, you will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting > day, pay to register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their > own faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their > contact info. So, visit the preregistration form at: > http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/register-2013-nabs-annual-meeting and > simplify your life! > > And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too > will be double entered into the door prize pool. > > The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in > the near future. > > Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or > concerns. > > We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida! > > Sean Whalen > President, National Association of Blind Students > (608) 332-4147 > nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org > > > > > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call >> 1-855-659-9314 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Thu Jun 20 05:14:37 2013 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 01:14:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea In-Reply-To: <000f01ce6ade$ee51df30$caf59d90$@gmail.com> References: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com> <000f01ce6ade$ee51df30$caf59d90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I like it. How do we start? If there was enough interest we could create specific books for specic populations such as high school Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:14 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > That's great. Outstanding. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina > Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:29 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea > > Good evening fellow students, I have an idea which is been rolling around my > head. If my idea is totally off the mark feel free to say so. I'm also open > to constructive feedback. > I understand the students we are extremely busy especially during the > semester. As most of you may know, the blind parents division Created a > handbook which can be distributed to anyone who is interested in topics > related to blind parents. I have found it to be a very helpful resource to > pass out to sighted people who have questions about how I do things as a > parent who is blind. Could we All work together to create a similar > handbook? This handbook could be distributed to universities or even rehab > agencies. It's something such as this already exists, I'd be interested in > checking out the resource. If not, we could Discuss general student needs. > I'm pretty sure there is a broader scope of students that we haven't reached > especially those were not on the listserv. What do you all think? I'm > curious to hear feedback. Thanks for reading and entertaining this idea. > > Sent from Anjelina's iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 > gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Jun 24 03:17:57 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 23:17:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea In-Reply-To: References: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com> <000f01ce6ade$ee51df30$caf59d90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I like the idea of tailoring it to reach certain populations too. Perhaps a high school book and then a college and beyond book would be cool? We'd just need a good start on it. I like and agreee with all the ideas that have been said on this thread thus far. On 6/20/13, Lillie Pennington wrote: > I like it. How do we start? If there was enough interest we could create > specific books for specic populations such as high school > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:14 PM, "justin williams" > wrote: > >> That's great. Outstanding. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina >> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:29 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea >> >> Good evening fellow students, I have an idea which is been rolling around >> my >> head. If my idea is totally off the mark feel free to say so. I'm also >> open >> to constructive feedback. >> I understand the students we are extremely busy especially during the >> semester. As most of you may know, the blind parents division Created a >> handbook which can be distributed to anyone who is interested in topics >> related to blind parents. I have found it to be a very helpful resource >> to >> pass out to sighted people who have questions about how I do things as a >> parent who is blind. Could we All work together to create a similar >> handbook? This handbook could be distributed to universities or even >> rehab >> agencies. It's something such as this already exists, I'd be interested >> in >> checking out the resource. If not, we could Discuss general student >> needs. >> I'm pretty sure there is a broader scope of students that we haven't >> reached >> especially those were not on the listserv. What do you all think? I'm >> curious to hear feedback. Thanks for reading and entertaining this idea. >> >> Sent from Anjelina's iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 >> gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Jun 24 03:22:54 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 23:22:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Comeearly, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com> <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, Just to clarify for everyone's information, I'm looking at my agenda and see the showcase of talent as being held on Friday rather than Thursday. This is my first convention so I'm not quite sure how promptly general sessions end, but that's what I see as actually being held before and ending at 5:00 so there is a chance they might be more on schedule and the problem of going over won't happen this year. On 6/23/13, melissa Green wrote: > I have the same problem. > And its my 15 or so convention. > Arielle gave some really good advice. > > Blessings, > Melissa Green and PJ > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > Goodreads Melissa Green > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bridget Walker" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. > Comeearly, and win some cash! > > > Hi, > > I am a member of both NABS and NAGDU along with being a prospective > teacher. > After looking at the schedule I am having a hard time knowing where I need > to be at all times. Many of the events I wish to attend are being held at > the same time. > How can I make sure i am reaching as much information as possible if all of > > the division meetings overlap? This is my first time at nationals. > Any advice is appreciated > > Thanks, > > Bridget > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > >> The following announcement comes from Sean Whalen, President, National >> Association of Blind Students: >> >> >> >> Good morning! >> >> We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar >> and business meeting at 7:00pm on Tuesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom >> F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that >> >> this will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we >> >> would love to see you there! >> >> Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will >> begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register >> early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on >> >> any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To >> >> encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is >> registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line >> >> and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, >> >> you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we >> have excellent door prizes up for grabs, including a little bit of $$$. We >> >> will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during >> registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with >> fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the >> >> meeting with a fatter wallet! >> >> Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall >> >> receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to >> offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do >> so, you will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting >> day, pay to register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their >> own faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their >> contact info. So, visit the preregistration form at: >> http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/register-2013-nabs-annual-meeting and >> simplify your life! >> >> And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too >> will be double entered into the door prize pool. >> >> The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in >> >> the near future. >> >> Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or >> concerns. >> >> We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida! >> >> Sean Whalen >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> (608) 332-4147 >> nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org >> >> >> >> >> >> Darian Smith >> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> www.nabslink.org >> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >>> >>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call >>> 1-855-659-9314 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jun 24 04:09:51 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 00:09:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] social networks In-Reply-To: References: <82B65B3616AF4DFBB8085B7ACA53B9C6@OwnerPC><4CFCDADC67DF4F47AC19BC8DCE73500D@OwnerPC><37CD39BC1750404DA443CEBFA19D9D60@OwnerPC><660B7CEB148849BD9C1FA11E77794551@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7FA97F8B519447E6814E3F67BA3A4289@OwnerPC> Julie, Thanks for this response. Yes, let me know more about communities if you find out. Do members read and comment on your entries or is it more like instant messaging people? Sounds fairly accessible. I doubt uploading photos would be a problem. Its just like making a file attachment I assume. we have to know what our pictures are but after knowing that, it should work I think. , can a moderator create a community? Also you talk about adding friends. Can you send non live journal friend requests? I know one cane with facebook since I've gotten some. Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Julie McGinnity Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 7:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks Hi Ashley, Yes, I am a singer. I created my live journal almost 4 years ago, and some things have changed, so if some of my answers aren't exactly spot on, that's why. The website creates headings for you. Each journal entry is a heading on my journal. It's all about the layout of your journal. You can custumize it to be what you want. If you have more questions about that once you get started, I can look at my settings and help you. You can title your journal entries by giving them subjects. You don't exactly have pages because you have several entries to a page. You can make entries public(anyone can see them) or friends locked(only your live journal friends can see them). When you set up your journal, you can make it clear what you want your defaults to be with regards to public entries, so you can choose if you only want live journal users to see them or people outside of live journal as well. As for communities, you can join a community. It's like adding a friend. When you post, you can select in a combo box, if your post goes to a certain community. You can moderate a community. I don't know how it works, but I know it's accessible(I know blind people who do it), but the only people who can join your community are live journal users. People outside of live journal may be able to watch your community(read the entries posted to that community), but I'm not sure about that. I can ask a friend and get back to you. As for media, you can post photos, imbed videos, and post all kinds of links. I have a friend who is blind and imbeds videos, so I think that is accessible. I post links all the time. I don't know about pictures, but I doubt that would be a problem either. Very good questions! On 6/23/13, Joshua Lester wrote: > If only there was a Best Buy, close by! > The closest one is in Little Rock, which is wo hours from here. > Oh well! > BTW, I'm using Jaws 10.0! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett > [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:09 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks > > Joshua, > Well, vista had several bugs; that is why windows 7 quickly replaced it > then. > Sounds like your problems are not jaws related, but because you have an > old > laptop and old operating system. > Hope you can get a new one soon. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 3:53 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks > > Nothing works using Windows Vista, IE7, and an old 2009 Acer lap top! > Things haven't been going my way, so I haven't been able to get my Mac! > I'm tired of all of this waiting around! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett > [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks > > Joshua, > I think twitter is already taking over at the rate we're heading. > Anyway, accepting friends and inviting them is very important to make > facebook worthwhile. > > Has anyone else encountered the issue Joshua had? > Can you accept and invite friends with the regular version? If not, does > the > mobile version work to do this? > Thanks. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks > > There's an audio captia that works well with Internet Explorer. > I was using the regular version, because I was told that inviting people > was > impossible with the moble version. > I found it impossible to even post, using both versions! > Noone uses Myspace anymore, but it needs to make a comeback, or Twitter > will > take over! > FB's going down! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett > [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social networks > > Joshua, > > Linked in has captias too. They are appearing more now. > You said you had these problems. > "Afterwards, I had trouble sending messages, and adding people, so I > deleted > my account." > > Are the problems you're describing with the using the mobile version? > What will I need to send people friend requests? Will I need their email > address? > I'll also need a sighted helper if there's a captia as you say there is; I > don't use firefox. > > > Thanks for your feedback. I'll try it though but I won't invite many > friends > until I feel it out and decide if its user friendly enough. > > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Mon Jun 24 05:38:24 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 05:38:24 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Comeearly, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com> <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> , Message-ID: What? It's been moved? It used to be on a Wednesday! The Banquet was on Thursday, and that was the last of it! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kaiti Shelton [crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Comeearly, and win some cash! Hi, Just to clarify for everyone's information, I'm looking at my agenda and see the showcase of talent as being held on Friday rather than Thursday. This is my first convention so I'm not quite sure how promptly general sessions end, but that's what I see as actually being held before and ending at 5:00 so there is a chance they might be more on schedule and the problem of going over won't happen this year. On 6/23/13, melissa Green wrote: > I have the same problem. > And its my 15 or so convention. > Arielle gave some really good advice. > > Blessings, > Melissa Green and PJ > facebook Melissa R Green > Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 > skype: lissa5674 > Goodreads Melissa Green > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bridget Walker" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. > Comeearly, and win some cash! > > > Hi, > > I am a member of both NABS and NAGDU along with being a prospective > teacher. > After looking at the schedule I am having a hard time knowing where I need > to be at all times. Many of the events I wish to attend are being held at > the same time. > How can I make sure i am reaching as much information as possible if all of > > the division meetings overlap? This is my first time at nationals. > Any advice is appreciated > > Thanks, > > Bridget > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > >> The following announcement comes from Sean Whalen, President, National >> Association of Blind Students: >> >> >> >> Good morning! >> >> We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar >> and business meeting at 7:00pm on Tuesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom >> F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that >> >> this will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we >> >> would love to see you there! >> >> Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will >> begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register >> early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on >> >> any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To >> >> encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is >> registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line >> >> and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, >> >> you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we >> have excellent door prizes up for grabs, including a little bit of $$$. We >> >> will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during >> registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with >> fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the >> >> meeting with a fatter wallet! >> >> Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall >> >> receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to >> offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do >> so, you will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting >> day, pay to register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their >> own faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their >> contact info. So, visit the preregistration form at: >> http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/register-2013-nabs-annual-meeting and >> simplify your life! >> >> And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too >> will be double entered into the door prize pool. >> >> The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in >> >> the near future. >> >> Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or >> concerns. >> >> We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida! >> >> Sean Whalen >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> (608) 332-4147 >> nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org >> >> >> >> >> >> Darian Smith >> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> www.nabslink.org >> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >>> >>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call >>> 1-855-659-9314 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From gpaikens at gmail.com Mon Jun 24 11:42:22 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:42:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Comeearly, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com> <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> , Message-ID: <400F944D-DAB9-4B42-9942-C714A13CAAD9@gmail.com> Joshua, Check the schedule yourself man. Preconvention stuff starts on a monday this year. The banquet is on a saturday night. Everything is shifted a couple of days from what it was last year. On Jun 24, 2013, at 1:38 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > What? > It's been moved? > It used to be on a Wednesday! > The Banquet was on Thursday, and that was the last of it! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kaiti Shelton [crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:22 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Comeearly, and win some cash! > > Hi, > > Just to clarify for everyone's information, I'm looking at my agenda > and see the showcase of talent as being held on Friday rather than > Thursday. This is my first convention so I'm not quite sure how > promptly general sessions end, but that's what I see as actually being > held before and ending at 5:00 so there is a chance they might be more > on schedule and the problem of going over won't happen this year. > > On 6/23/13, melissa Green wrote: >> I have the same problem. >> And its my 15 or so convention. >> Arielle gave some really good advice. >> >> Blessings, >> Melissa Green and PJ >> facebook Melissa R Green >> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >> skype: lissa5674 >> Goodreads Melissa Green >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bridget Walker" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 3:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. >> Comeearly, and win some cash! >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I am a member of both NABS and NAGDU along with being a prospective >> teacher. >> After looking at the schedule I am having a hard time knowing where I need >> to be at all times. Many of the events I wish to attend are being held at >> the same time. >> How can I make sure i am reaching as much information as possible if all of >> >> the division meetings overlap? This is my first time at nationals. >> Any advice is appreciated >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bridget >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Darian Smith wrote: >> >>> The following announcement comes from Sean Whalen, President, National >>> Association of Blind Students: >>> >>> >>> >>> Good morning! >>> >>> We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar >>> and business meeting at 7:00pm on Tuesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom >>> F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that >>> >>> this will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we >>> >>> would love to see you there! >>> >>> Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will >>> begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register >>> early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on >>> >>> any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To >>> >>> encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is >>> registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line >>> >>> and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, >>> >>> you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we >>> have excellent door prizes up for grabs, including a little bit of $$$. We >>> >>> will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during >>> registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with >>> fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the >>> >>> meeting with a fatter wallet! >>> >>> Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall >>> >>> receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to >>> offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do >>> so, you will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting >>> day, pay to register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their >>> own faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their >>> contact info. So, visit the preregistration form at: >>> http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/register-2013-nabs-annual-meeting and >>> simplify your life! >>> >>> And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too >>> will be double entered into the door prize pool. >>> >>> The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in >>> >>> the near future. >>> >>> Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or >>> concerns. >>> >>> We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida! >>> >>> Sean Whalen >>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>> (608) 332-4147 >>> nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Darian Smith >>> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >>> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >>> >>> www.nabslink.org >>> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >>>> >>>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >>>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >>>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call >>>> 1-855-659-9314 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Mon Jun 24 12:40:23 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:40:23 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Comeearly, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: <400F944D-DAB9-4B42-9942-C714A13CAAD9@gmail.com> References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com> <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> , , <400F944D-DAB9-4B42-9942-C714A13CAAD9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Greg, I think that's the stupidist idea ever! They should go back to the way it used to be! I would be missing church two times that week! Not cool! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Greg Aikens [gpaikens at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Comeearly, and win some cash! Joshua, Check the schedule yourself man. Preconvention stuff starts on a monday this year. The banquet is on a saturday night. Everything is shifted a couple of days from what it was last year. On Jun 24, 2013, at 1:38 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > What? > It's been moved? > It used to be on a Wednesday! > The Banquet was on Thursday, and that was the last of it! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kaiti Shelton [crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:22 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Comeearly, and win some cash! > > Hi, > > Just to clarify for everyone's information, I'm looking at my agenda > and see the showcase of talent as being held on Friday rather than > Thursday. This is my first convention so I'm not quite sure how > promptly general sessions end, but that's what I see as actually being > held before and ending at 5:00 so there is a chance they might be more > on schedule and the problem of going over won't happen this year. > > On 6/23/13, melissa Green wrote: >> I have the same problem. >> And its my 15 or so convention. >> Arielle gave some really good advice. >> >> Blessings, >> Melissa Green and PJ >> facebook Melissa R Green >> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >> skype: lissa5674 >> Goodreads Melissa Green >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bridget Walker" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 3:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. >> Comeearly, and win some cash! >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I am a member of both NABS and NAGDU along with being a prospective >> teacher. >> After looking at the schedule I am having a hard time knowing where I need >> to be at all times. Many of the events I wish to attend are being held at >> the same time. >> How can I make sure i am reaching as much information as possible if all of >> >> the division meetings overlap? This is my first time at nationals. >> Any advice is appreciated >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bridget >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Darian Smith wrote: >> >>> The following announcement comes from Sean Whalen, President, National >>> Association of Blind Students: >>> >>> >>> >>> Good morning! >>> >>> We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar >>> and business meeting at 7:00pm on Tuesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom >>> F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that >>> >>> this will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we >>> >>> would love to see you there! >>> >>> Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will >>> begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register >>> early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on >>> >>> any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To >>> >>> encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is >>> registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line >>> >>> and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, >>> >>> you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we >>> have excellent door prizes up for grabs, including a little bit of $$$. We >>> >>> will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during >>> registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with >>> fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the >>> >>> meeting with a fatter wallet! >>> >>> Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall >>> >>> receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to >>> offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do >>> so, you will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting >>> day, pay to register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their >>> own faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their >>> contact info. So, visit the preregistration form at: >>> http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/register-2013-nabs-annual-meeting and >>> simplify your life! >>> >>> And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too >>> will be double entered into the door prize pool. >>> >>> The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in >>> >>> the near future. >>> >>> Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or >>> concerns. >>> >>> We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida! >>> >>> Sean Whalen >>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>> (608) 332-4147 >>> nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Darian Smith >>> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >>> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >>> >>> www.nabslink.org >>> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >>>> >>>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >>>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >>>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call >>>> 1-855-659-9314 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From freethaught at gmail.com Mon Jun 24 15:43:08 2013 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:43:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Hotel transfer Message-ID: I have a reservation at the Rosen Center, the main convention hotel that I would like to transfer. I found a rooming situation and will not need my original reservation. I made a $90, nonrefundable payment, and will need you to pay me that balance to reimburse me the $90. This amount you pay will go towards your hotel stay. I will be in Orlando on June 29, and will make the reservation transfer as late as July 1st. You must be present so we can make the changes. Call or email if you’re interested. (617) 744-9716. freethaught at gmail.com Antonio Guimaraes From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Jun 24 16:12:18 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:12:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. Comeearly, and win some cash! In-Reply-To: References: <0420D4D9-7CA1-4A65-A5EB-D8E3D3A230DA@gmail.com> <03D38E6E-935B-4483-A671-15A7CB7F165C@aol.com> <400F944D-DAB9-4B42-9942-C714A13CAAD9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I think most of the reason for convention schedule changes have to do with hotel room rates. President Maurer negotiates with the hotels to ensure we get the lowest room rate possible and sometimes that means shifting the schedule a little bit based on the hotel's availability, other groups staying there, etc. I have also heard that it costs more to book a hotel over two weekends so that might explain why we start on Monday this year. Best, Arielle On 6/24/13, Joshua Lester wrote: > Greg, I think that's the stupidist idea ever! > They should go back to the way it used to be! > I would be missing church two times that week! > Not cool! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Greg Aikens > [gpaikens at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 6:42 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. > Comeearly, and win some cash! > > Joshua, > Check the schedule yourself man. Preconvention stuff starts on a monday > this year. The banquet is on a saturday night. Everything is shifted a > couple of days from what it was last year. > > > On Jun 24, 2013, at 1:38 AM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> What? >> It's been moved? >> It used to be on a Wednesday! >> The Banquet was on Thursday, and that was the last of it! >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kaiti Shelton >> [crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:22 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. >> Comeearly, and win some cash! >> >> Hi, >> >> Just to clarify for everyone's information, I'm looking at my agenda >> and see the showcase of talent as being held on Friday rather than >> Thursday. This is my first convention so I'm not quite sure how >> promptly general sessions end, but that's what I see as actually being >> held before and ending at 5:00 so there is a chance they might be more >> on schedule and the problem of going over won't happen this year. >> >> On 6/23/13, melissa Green wrote: >>> I have the same problem. >>> And its my 15 or so convention. >>> Arielle gave some really good advice. >>> >>> Blessings, >>> Melissa Green and PJ >>> facebook Melissa R Green >>> Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 >>> skype: lissa5674 >>> Goodreads Melissa Green >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bridget Walker" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 3:14 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Preregister for the annual NABS Business meeting. >>> Comeearly, and win some cash! >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am a member of both NABS and NAGDU along with being a prospective >>> teacher. >>> After looking at the schedule I am having a hard time knowing where I >>> need >>> to be at all times. Many of the events I wish to attend are being held >>> at >>> the same time. >>> How can I make sure i am reaching as much information as possible if all >>> of >>> >>> the division meetings overlap? This is my first time at nationals. >>> Any advice is appreciated >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Bridget >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jun 22, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Darian Smith wrote: >>> >>>> The following announcement comes from Sean Whalen, President, National >>>> Association of Blind Students: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Good morning! >>>> >>>> We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar >>>> and business meeting at 7:00pm on Tuesday, July 2 in the Junior >>>> Ballroom >>>> F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic >>>> that >>>> >>>> this will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and >>>> we >>>> >>>> would love to see you there! >>>> >>>> Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will >>>> begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register >>>> early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out >>>> on >>>> >>>> any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. >>>> To >>>> >>>> encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is >>>> registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the >>>> line >>>> >>>> and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. >>>> So, >>>> >>>> you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we >>>> have excellent door prizes up for grabs, including a little bit of $$$. >>>> We >>>> >>>> will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during >>>> registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with >>>> fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of >>>> the >>>> >>>> meeting with a fatter wallet! >>>> >>>> Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you >>>> shall >>>> >>>> receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to >>>> offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to >>>> do >>>> so, you will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting >>>> day, pay to register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their >>>> own faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their >>>> contact info. So, visit the preregistration form at: >>>> http://nabslink.org/drupal/content/register-2013-nabs-annual-meeting >>>> and >>>> simplify your life! >>>> >>>> And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too >>>> will be double entered into the door prize pool. >>>> >>>> The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated >>>> in >>>> >>>> the near future. >>>> >>>> Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or >>>> concerns. >>>> >>>> We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida! >>>> >>>> Sean Whalen >>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>> (608) 332-4147 >>>> nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Darian Smith >>>> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >>>> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >>>> >>>> www.nabslink.org >>>> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >>>>> >>>>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >>>>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >>>>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or >>>>> call >>>>> 1-855-659-9314 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Mon Jun 24 16:47:00 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:47:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Last call: summer leadership training opportunity in New York References: Message-ID: :I have been asked to Circulate the Following Begin forwarded message: > > Please circulate widely > > Calling applicants to the 2013 Summer Leadership Training Seminar in >> New York during August 12th through the 14th. We are looking for 30 >> intelligent, driven, and passionate university students with >> or without disabilities looking to be leaders in their campuses and communities. >> The two night three day seminar will involve multiple hands-on >> workshops with disability rights activists who will teach from >> experience in activism and throughout their careers. Participants will then be equipped with the knowledge and >> energy to lead their own campus wide campaigns promoting full rights, >> pay, and integration for all persons. The purpose is to combat laws that keep sub minimum wages legal in the US where they almost entirely target persons with disabilities. If you are interested in being a >> leader who makes great change while working with human rights >> activists and many driven peers, we strongly encourage you to apply. >> Please email the attached application form to > njabstudents at gmail.com no later than July 1st. >> For questions email New Jersey Association of Blind Students >> President, Shafeka Hashash, at > snh278 at nyu.edu. > > In solidarity, >> The New Jersey Association of Blind Students > > Best, > Shafeka Hashash Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Mon Jun 24 17:33:21 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:33:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS and Social Media. Message-ID: <391DCFC6-0893-4EAB-96B8-0FB36F95B091@gmail.com> Hi NABS! if you are heading to convention and want to keep up with what's going on with your fellow nabsters, follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter via our handle"@nabslink". Want to share your thoughts from the nabs social or the nabs meeting? what to get some of your friends to help make bail for the NABS hostages? Then use the hashtag #nabs13. Not going to be at convention, but want to be with us in spirit? No problem, just follow @nabslink, the official twitter feed of the National Association of Blind Students and the #nabs13 hashtag for updates from events and comments/thoughts from your fellow students. Of course, don't forget to follow @nfb_voice, the National Federation of the Blind's official twitter feed and the #nfb13 for updates and conversation from all corners of the convention. Looking forward to your tweets in#Orlando! #nabs13 #NFB13 Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Tue Jun 25 17:58:39 2013 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:58:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] former students helping new students Message-ID: <000601ce71cd$9fd47b60$0302a8c0@hometwxakonvzn> I believe that former college students should ing the future students. I remember when I first subscribed to the list meeting people such as Amy Sabo, Arrial, and taking their advice, has helpped me in my doctoral studies. RJ From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Jun 26 11:44:52 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 04:44:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Last call: summer leadership training opportunity in New York In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Darian Smith Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:47:00 -0700 Subject: Last call: summer leadership training opportunity in New York To: :I have been asked to Circulate the Following Begin forwarded message: > > Please circulate widely > > Calling applicants to the 2013 Summer Leadership Training Seminar in >> New York during August 12th through the 14th. We are looking for 30 >> intelligent, driven, and passionate university students with >> or without disabilities looking to be leaders in their campuses and communities. >> The two night three day seminar will involve multiple hands-on >> workshops with disability rights activists who will teach from >> experience in activism and throughout their careers. Participants will then be equipped with the knowledge and >> energy to lead their own campus wide campaigns promoting full rights, >> pay, and integration for all persons. The purpose is to combat laws that keep sub minimum wages legal in the US where they almost entirely target persons with disabilities. If you are interested in being a >> leader who makes great change while working with human rights >> activists and many driven peers, we strongly encourage you to apply. >> Please email the attached application form to > njabstudents at gmail.com no later than July 1st. >> For questions email New Jersey Association of Blind Students >> President, Shafeka Hashash, at > snh278 at nyu.edu. > > In solidarity, >> The New Jersey Association of Blind Students > > Best, > Shafeka Hashash Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 -- Darian Smith Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities http://www.nfb.org/fairwages “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” -Darian Smith -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Summer Leadership Seminar 2013 Student Application Form.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 21931 bytes Desc: not available URL: From djd76257 at gmail.com Wed Jun 26 18:16:02 2013 From: djd76257 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 14:16:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A Send Off For Those Going To The NFB Convention Please Read Message-ID: <557499AAA10A42F7AF0549EC7AA452C8@WildJasmine> Hi All! Whether you're on root to Orlando, traveling in a few days, or getting packed for the up coming trip, I invite you, especially cool people I've had the pleasure of working with like Darian of the membership committee, Jedi whose been an awesome friend, or anyone else interested, to, since I'm not attending, to keep you entertained while you pack. My A Cappella show, A Cappellas Anonymous, is on at 7 PM eastern tonight, and in addition to some great features such as the common denominator set, I've prepared a special send off for those going to convention tonight! Through a special music set, I've conveyed my excitement for you that you're going, and my best wishes that you have a fun time and a safe return with some new found knowledge, maybe some new technology, and anything else you might gain from the convention experience, whether you're first time or veteran. So let me distract you in a good way with some fun music, and great convention send off, starting at 7 PM eastern. Listen in at http://www.audioaccess.fm/broadband.php and feel free to say hi on twitter at djdrocks or audioaccessfm if you like what you hear. Enjoy! From ALewis at nfb.org Wed Jun 26 20:34:34 2013 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:34:34 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] No Help from the Senate HELP Committee: Increasing the Wage Disparity for Workers with Disabilities Message-ID: <72D51A25A403F249A0FC4A94A0D9640D5A1EAB50@CH1PRD0710MB380.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> No Help from the Senate HELP Committee: Increasing the Wage Disparity for Workers with Disabilities Submitted by alewis on Wed, 06/26/2013 - 14:16 https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/no-help-senate-help-committee-increasing-wage-disparity-workers-disabilities Blog Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 By Anil Lewis Yesterday was the seventy-fifth anniversary of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), which is a monumental piece of legislation for most American workers. The FLSA provides for the payment of a federal minimum wage, which is now $7.25 per hour, to every American citizen. To commemorate this seventy-fifth anniversary, the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) conducted a hearing entitled "Building a Foundation of Fairness: 75 Years of the Federal Minimum Wage," to discuss a proposed increase in the federal minimum wage. However, many people with disabilities chose not to celebrate this anniversary because Section 14(c) of the FLSA excludes Americans with Disabilities from the "foundation of fairness" by allowing employers to obtain a Special Wage Certificate that permits them to pay their workers with disabilities less than the federal minimum wage. In fact, the wage foundation of some workers with disabilities starts at three cents per hour. While the Senate HELP Committee states that it is "keeping up with a changing economy" by "indexing the minimum wage," committee members are ignoring the plight of workers with disabilities by refusing to abolish an unfair, discriminatory, and immoral provision that condemns hundreds of thousands of people with disabilities to lives of low expectations, subminimum wages, and public assistance. The National Federation of the Blind and over fifty other committed organizations of and for people with disabilities are working to eliminate the payment of subminimum wages to workers with disabilities by advocating for the repeal of Section 14(c) of the FLSA. The Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act of 2013, HR 831, has been introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives to phase out the use of this discriminatory provision over a three-year period. Rather than helping to eradicate Section 14(c) of the FLSA, on Thursday, June 20, 2013, the Senate HELP Committee conducted a hearing on the reauthorization of the Workforce Investment Act (WIA), and chose to consider language that would actually result in an increase in the use of this intolerable provision. WIA mandates coordination among federal and state job training programs-including employment services, adult education and literacy programs, welfare-to-work, vocational education, and vocational rehabilitation programs-to increase employment for all Americans. For Americans with disabilities, the reauthorization of the federal Rehabilitation Act is a significant part of the WIA reauthorization process because it mandates that each state provide quality vocational rehabilitation services to assist individuals with significant disabilities to obtain competitive integrated employment. However, the WIA draft contains language in Title V, Section 511 that would increase the wage disparity of workers with disabilities by providing a prescription for the use of subminimum wages in the vocational rehabilitation process. While this language is intended to limit the steering of transition-age youth into subminimum wage programs by prescribing a number of hoops that must be jumped through in order for a vocational rehabilitation client to be placed in a sheltered workshop job, experience shows that its provisions will simply become a box-checking paperwork exercise that will have the unintended consequences of increasing the number of young people with disabilities being placed in subminimum wage shops. With the language in Section 511, the U.S. Senate chooses to link the Rehabilitation Act, which was established to assist people with disabilities in obtaining competitive integrated employment, with Section 14(c) of the FLSA, which is based on the false premise that people with disabilities cannot be competitively employed and therefore can be paid subminimum wages. The title of the Senate hearing on the WIA reauthorization was "Developing a Skilled Workforce for a Competitive Economy." In our opinion, linking the Rehabilitation Act with Section 14(c) of the FLSA supports the development of an unskilled workforce of people with disabilities in a custodialistic economy. Our fight is not against an increase in the federal minimum wage. Our fight is a fight for fairness and opportunity. In fact, the same moral and economic arguments being used to justify a lifting of the minimum wage apply to workers with disabilities, over four-hundred thousand of whom are currently being paid wages significantly less than the federal minimum wage and well below the poverty line. Workers with disabilities need the proper training and opportunity to earn a living wage that raises us out of poverty and dependence on public assistance, and allows us to contribute to the economy by spending the money we have earned. We, too, are citizens. We believe that the four-hundred thousand American citizens with disabilities currently employed at subminimum wages have the capacity to be productive, competitive employees who deserve the same workforce protections as the millions of other nondisabled American citizens. Similarly, as long as there is a federal minimum wage guarantee for nondisabled employees, workers with disabilities should have the same minimum wage guarantee. All citizens, including those with disabilities, must be accorded the same rights and protections. Equality is part of our American creed, and as we write what the president called "the next great chapter in our American story," we must, at long last, apply our belief in equal treatment and equal opportunity to Americans with disabilities. Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. Director of Advocacy and Policy "Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) (410) 685-5653 (FAX) Email: alewis at nfb.org Web: www.nfb.org twitter: @anillife From blindatbirth at yahoo.com Wed Jun 26 22:01:30 2013 From: blindatbirth at yahoo.com (Shelby Young) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 15:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Shelby Young Message-ID: <1372284090.19287.YahooMailMobile@web142503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> http://www.nordicactors.com/winno/xqz.php From blindatbirth at yahoo.com Wed Jun 26 22:11:22 2013 From: blindatbirth at yahoo.com (Shelby Young) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:11:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Been spammed Message-ID: If you have received any emails with me that contain a link, do not open it! Someone has hacked my email. Shelby Sent from my iPhone From joshkart12 at gmail.com Wed Jun 26 22:14:05 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:14:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Been spammed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10A3A9E8-4A77-4092-B7FD-EE11BE5F0C5B@gmail.com> Yes, we have. If this is possible, please change your password as soon as you can Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Shelby Young wrote: > If you have received any emails with me that contain a link, do not open it! Someone has hacked my email. > Shelby > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From blacklotus86 at gmail.com Thu Jun 27 20:25:33 2013 From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:25:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] WIPO reaches agreement ending book famine Message-ID: Hi All, I wanted to share that good news with you. Please find details below. Thanks, Zeynep Your voice has been heard. Thank you! Dear Friend, This morning officials at the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) reached an agreement to provide wider access to books for the visually impaired in different countries, a long-pending demand of the Perkins community, World Blind Union and activist groups everywhere. The treaty is expected to be formally adopted in the plenary session tomorrow, June 27, concluding a conference in Marrakesh, Morocco, where representatives from more than 180 countries have been in attendance. Worldwide, less than 1% of all books are accessible for people who are blind and this month we asked you to get involved. Dr. W. Aubrey Webson, director of Perkins International celebrates the treaty. "A key has been turned to open the door to opportunities for persons who are blind and those with print handicaps. It shows that even a small group of dedicated persons can change the world and in this case, indeed they have." Your voice has been heard. This is the first critical step in solving a worldwide book famine. When officially approved tomorrow, the treaty will help aid distribution of specially formatted books in different countries by removing copyright law hurdles. For instance, U.S.-based Bookshare, which is an online library for people with sight disabilities, has about 200,000 books in its collection, but only about 75,000 of them can be distributed in the U.K. because of copyright restrictions. There's a lot of work to do, but this is a big win and a great start. We couldn't have done this without you. Thank you, Steven M. Rothstein President, Perkins From juanitatighan at gmail.com Thu Jun 27 20:37:29 2013 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:37:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] WIPO reaches agreement ending book famine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is a direct link to the PdF of the treaty: http://www.wipo.int/edocs/mdocs/diplconf/en/vip_dc/vip_dc_8.pdf On Jun 27, 2013, at 4:25 PM, zeynep sule yilmaz wrote: > Hi All, > > I wanted to share that good news with you. Please find details below. > > Thanks, > > Zeynep > > Your voice has been heard. Thank you! > > Dear Friend, > This morning officials at the World Intellectual Property Organization > (WIPO) reached an agreement to provide wider access to books for the > visually impaired in different countries, a long-pending demand of the > Perkins community, World Blind Union and activist groups everywhere. > > The treaty is expected to be formally adopted in the plenary session > tomorrow, June 27, concluding a conference in Marrakesh, Morocco, > where representatives from more than 180 countries have been in > attendance. > > Worldwide, less than 1% of all books are accessible for people who are > blind and this month we asked you to get involved. > > Dr. W. Aubrey Webson, director of Perkins International celebrates the > treaty. "A key has been turned to open the door to opportunities for > persons who are blind and those with print handicaps. It shows that > even a small group of dedicated persons can change the world and in > this case, indeed they have." > > Your voice has been heard. This is the first critical step in solving > a worldwide book famine. > When officially approved tomorrow, the treaty will help aid > distribution of specially formatted books in different countries by > removing copyright law hurdles. For instance, U.S.-based Bookshare, > which is an online library for people with sight disabilities, has > about 200,000 books in its collection, but only about 75,000 of them > can be distributed in the U.K. because of copyright restrictions. > > There's a lot of work to do, but this is a big win and a great start. > We couldn't have done this without you. > > Thank you, > > Steven M. Rothstein > President, Perkins > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Thu Jun 27 21:52:47 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:52:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] braille book fair Message-ID: Hey people, help is needed for clean up at the braille book fair on Wednesday from 6:30 - 8:00. So if you are going to be at the convention and want to help in the effort to get braille books to people, please contact Krystal Guillory at kguillory at lcb-ruston.com. This is not a NABS thing, just thought I would put it out there. Anna From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu Thu Jun 27 22:49:08 2013 From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 22:49:08 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] 2013 STEM Conference Scholarship Stipend In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <9D64C2A0-63CA-4EE0-B828-6B1151AD1C69@alumni.ecu.edu> 2013 STEM Conference Scholarship Stipend for Blind Students Please share this with blind STEM students. The Science and Engineering Division of the National Federation of the Blind is now accepting scholarship applications for its STEM Conference Scholarship Stipend. The Science and Engineering Division wishes to encourage the success of blind STEM students in their chosen field of study. We believe attending a technical conference in this field will help the career of new blind professionals. Eligible candidates must be legally blind and plan to attend a full time undergraduate or graduate program in the United States in the fall of 2013. The field of study must be in Science, Technology, Engineering, or Mathematics. If the student has an interest in attending a conference in a STEM field, then we encourage you to apply for the STEM Conference Scholarship Stipend. The STEM Conference Scholarship Stipend includes up to $1000 towards conference expenses. When receiving the STEM Conference Scholarship, the Science and Engineering Division requests receipts for the cost of the conference and a 500 word essay. The essay should describe the conference experience and how the conference will help the student in their profession. After receiving the receipts for conference expenses and the essay, the Science and Engineering Division will provide the stipend. The Science and Engineering Division hopes to invite the stipend winner to the next Science and Engineering Division meeting. The Science and Engineering Division will provide up to $500 towards costs of attending the next Science and Engineering Division meeting at the NFB national convention in 2014. The student will be invited to give a 10 minute talk about the conference experience and their interest in STEM at the Science and Engineering Division meeting. We encourage you to select a conference that concludes by June 30, 2014. If you do not have an exact conference selected, provide a list of conferences from which you will be selecting. You do not need to present at the conference in order to receive the stipend. The stipend is to help make it possible for you to attend a STEM conference. In order to apply, write an essay describing the blindness techniques you use to succeed in your chosen field, describe your interest in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics, and describe the conference you wish to attend using the STEM Conference Scholarship Stipend. Tell us about the nature of your blindness. Also tell us the location and date of the conference you wish to attend. Provide a copy of your college transcript and a letter of recommendation. Provide your phone number and email the above information to John Miller at johnmillerphd at hotmail.com by September 1, 2013. A complete application will also include a phone conversation with John Miller by September 7, 2013. We hope you take advantage of this exciting opportunity. John Miller, president Science and Engineering Division of the National Federation of the Blind From lissa1531 at gmail.com Thu Jun 27 22:54:00 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 16:54:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] colorado guide dog devision. Message-ID: <504A8E6C2A6C431997A1AFFE0197C34A@HP30910210001> For your information. The NFB of Colorado is starting a guide dog division!!! We will be looking at issues that affect guide dog users across the state of Colorado and want your input and ideas as we get this project moving. If you are a guide dog user, are a friend or family member of a guide dog user, are a blind person who is thinking about getting a guide dog, or just generally think guide dogs are awesome and want to be apart of our group please join our conference call Thursday night! The call will take place Thursday, June 27th at 6:30PM Mountain Time. You can join the call by dialing 712-432-1500 and entering access code 564151. If you have any questions, please contact Melissa Green at graduate56 at juno.com. Blessings, Melissa Green and PJ facebook Melissa R Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674 skype: lissa5674 Goodreads Melissa Green From nabs.president at gmail.com Fri Jun 28 01:18:38 2013 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (nabs.president at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:18:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Focus Group in Orlando Message-ID: <01b601ce739d$6c67e150$4537a3f0$@gmail.com> FYI: Thanks, Sean A message to all students attending the upcoming NFB convention week in Orlando: Are you a high school graduate who is now furthering their education? Do you like free stuff? If so, you've come to the right place. My name is Tiffany Jolliff, and I am research coordinator at National Industries for the Blind. As members of the future workforce of people who are blind, NIB is interested in finding out more about your career goals and aspirations. I would like to meet with students, either individually or in small groups, to find out more about their educational experience to date and their future career goals/aspirations. Individual interviews will take less than 30 minutes, and groups would meet for around an hour. You may be asking, "So what's in it for me?" In addition to helping develop the careers of the future, the first 20 people who meet with me will each receive a $5 Starbucks gift card. To participate, you simply need to contact me off-list at tjolliff at nib.org to set up a meeting time. I will be attending the conference from the morning of July 1 through the evening of July 3. If you have a group of up to five students who would like to meet together, we can coordinate that as well. I look forward to meeting you. Tiffany Tiffany Jolliff Research Coordinator National Industries for the Blind 1310 Braddock Place Alexandria, VA 22314 (703) 310-0500 - main (703) 310-0583 - direct tjolliff at nib.org www.nib.org From womble-m at cfl.rr.com Fri Jun 28 02:59:06 2013 From: womble-m at cfl.rr.com (Marilyn Womble) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 21:59:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NEW SAPPHIRE PORTABLE VIDEO MAGNIFIER for Sale Message-ID: FOR SALE: NEW SAPPHIRE PORTABLE VIDEO MAGNIFIER My Price is $875.00. The original price was $1,200.00. (This product, by Freedom Scientific, is unused and still in original shipping condition) I will have it with me at the NFB Convention in Orlando. Name: Marilyn Womble Cell: 321/614-2980 I was so excited to use this device that I did not take the proper amount of time to test it , using my limited vision. Too late, I learned that I could not take advantage of all its wonderful features! 1. Portable video magnifier that allows one to magnify text up to 16 times the actual size. 2. It is so easy to use and has only a few buttons. 3. It has a high contrast, 7 inch LCD screen with 23 color video modes.. ` 4. Rechargeable battery and writing stand. 5. You can even connect it to a television and enjoy a really big screen. Package also includes a power adapter, power cable, video cable, carrying case with shoulder strap, and a User Guide in print and Braille. womble-m at cfl.rr.com From Vyingling at nfb.org Fri Jun 28 13:05:49 2013 From: Vyingling at nfb.org (Yingling, Valerie) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:05:49 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Self-Advocacy in Higher Education Workshop new this year at Convention Message-ID: <2E77F7FE85FE99418761668AE1AA779E4FDCF716@SN2PRD0710MB382.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Are you attending Convention 2013? If so, plan to attend the Self-Advocacy in Higher Education: Knowing Your Rights and Getting it Done Workshop on Wednesday, July 3rd from 7:30 - 9:00 pm in the Salon 20 room, Level 2. If you can't make it to Orlando this year, please take time to complete the NFB's Digital Technology and Accessibility in Schools Survey: https://nfb.org/digital-tech-access. Please remember to complete this survey every semester; your continual feedback drives the NFB's advocacy and legal action. Contact Valerie Yingling, paralegal at the NFB, at vyingling at nfb.org or 410-659-9314 ext. 2440 for additional information. From zdreicer at gmail.com Fri Jun 28 16:58:24 2013 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:58:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} Fwd: WIPO Treaty Vote References: <20130627210021.A7BEB2C5E60@lx-web.nfb.org> Message-ID: <9F5EE942-7512-4425-9202-9C7F92D68B5C@gmail.com> Sent from my iPhone 4S using VoiceOver Begin forwarded message: > From: "webmaster" > Date: June 27, 2013, 3:00:21 PM MDT > To: Zach Griego-Dreicer > Subject: WIPO Treaty Vote > Reply-To: "webmaster" > > Dear Supporter: > > This morning, the delegates to the Diplomatic Conference being held under the auspices of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) in Marrakesh, Morocco, voted in favor of a treaty that will increase the number of published works available to blind and print-disabled people all over the world. This historic result would not have been achieved without your support, expressed by signing our petition and taking other actions to let these delegates know how important this treaty is to all of us who cannot read print. On behalf of blind and print-disabled people everywhere, the National Federation of the Blind and the American Council of the Blind thank you for your support of this groundbreaking treaty. We will send you additional information as we monitor the progress of the treaty towards official signature and ratification in the United States, and we urge those of you outside the United States to monitor developments in your own country so that this important instrument is brought into full effect. Thank you again for your attention to this historic and critically important development. > > Unsubscribe from this mailing > Or you may opt-out of all future mailings from us > National Federation of the Blind > 200 East Wells Street > at Jernigan Place > Baltimore, MD 21230 > United States > 410 659-9314 From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 28 19:15:01 2013 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:15:01 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: 2013 ACB National Conference & Convention Agenda In-Reply-To: <30130680.1372446083786.JavaMail.Administrator@newsline-srvra> References: <30130680.1372446083786.JavaMail.Administrator@newsline-srvra> Message-ID: <004301ce7433$cb2dbed0$61893c70$@gmail.com> From: Scott White [mailto:swite at nfb.org] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 12:00 PM To: Humberto Avila Subject: 2013 ACB National Conference & Convention Agenda 2013 ACB National Conference & Convention Agenda Available on NFB-NEWSLINE Convention-goers, we’ve got some great news for you! We are pleased to announce that once again the entire agenda of the American Council of the Blind’s national conference and convention will be available on NFB-NEWSLINE, helping you to make the most of this event. With the availability of the agenda, you can quickly and easily determine what options are available at a particular time and find when and where a desired meeting will occur. We believe that this will make it easy to plan your convention schedule—made even easier with access using iPhone, NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile, available by visiting the app store on your device. You can access the agenda in many different ways—by download to your digital talking book player of choice with NFB-NEWSLINE In Your Pocket, by reading it on Web News on Demand, and, of course, by using your cell phone on the go. To access the agenda on the phone you’ll want to dial either the number you regularly use or the phone number for unlimited access with a cell phone at 646-600-6969. From the main menu select option number five and select “National Meetings of Interest to the Print-Disabled” (which is labeled option number five). From there, select number 1 for the American Council of the Blind agenda. With the availability of our on-demand article-request feature, you can now request that details of a certain meeting or event be sent to your e-mail account; you can in this way set up your own agenda tailored to your interests and obligations. To use this feature, when listening to an article press #9 (pound nine) and the desired article will be sent to your e-mail inbox automatically, assuming your e-mail address is provided in your NFB-NEWSLINE account. With NFB-NEWSLINE In Your Pocket, you can have the full agenda on one small device, providing increased portability and effortless access. You can easily scan through each day to learn what meetings and events are of interest and determine your schedule for the day. In order to download the agenda to your digital talking-book player, you’ll need to add the agenda to your favorites. This can be done online via our favorites management tool under the link for “Manage Your In Your Pocket Favorite Publications.” Naturally, you’ll need to download the NFB-NEWSLINE In Your Pocket software, available at www.nfbnewslineonline.org, onto your computer before you can place this content on your device. After you’ve logged in, select the link for Newsline In Your Pocket, which takes you to an informational page with software download links. Web News on Demand allows you to easily search for a particular meeting or event when viewing the full agenda on one screen, or you can view each day individually. You can also have the contents of the full agenda or a particular day or event e-mailed to yourself, and you are now able to download a zip file of the agenda to your portable note-taking device (such as the Braille Note). To access Web News on Demand and the special features it offers, visit www.nfbnewslineonline.org and select “Web News on Demand” If you’d like to experience the flexibility and ease of use that is offered by NFB-NEWSLINE Online, please visit www.nfbnewslineonline.org. If you’ve forgotten your codes, please call the NFB-NEWSLINE team toll free at (866) 504-7300. If you aren’t signed up for NFB-NEWSLINE, visit www.nfbnewsline.org to download an application or fill in the online application. From stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu Fri Jun 28 19:24:03 2013 From: stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:24:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential young professionals group Message-ID: Hi everyone, if there is still interest in a young professionals .... *thing,* be it group or division, let's get together next week! Please contact me off-list at sjhhirst at gmail.com. I think there are a lot of good reasons that would merit a young professionals group or division in the NFB, but it can't be done by one person! Stephanie Hirst DeLuca Vanderbilt University CPB Ph.D. Candidate Meiler Laboratory Email: stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu Phone: 615 936 6594 Cell: 256 810 2138 From gpaikens at gmail.com Fri Jun 28 20:28:37 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:28:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential young professionals group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Stephanie, I'm definitely still on board for getting a group of people together to talk about this. looking at the agenda, lunch time all week or tuesday and wednesday morning look like the least slammed time periods. A lunch meeting/discussion might be good, since we all have to eat sometime. We could just pick a location and everyone interested could just bring there lunch and join in. I'm up for checking out other times too though. Look forward to getting something together. Greg Aikens gpaikens at gmail.com 404-444-8661 On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:24 PM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" wrote: > Hi everyone, if there is still interest in a young professionals .... > *thing,* be it group or division, let's get together next week! Please > contact me off-list at sjhhirst at gmail.com. I think there are a lot of good > reasons that would merit a young professionals group or division in the > NFB, but it can't be done by one person! > > Stephanie Hirst DeLuca > Vanderbilt University CPB Ph.D. Candidate > Meiler Laboratory > Email: stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu > Phone: 615 936 6594 > Cell: 256 810 2138 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Fri Jun 28 20:37:42 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:37:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential young professionals group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Who all would this include? I guess not students? Anna On 6/28/13, Greg Aikens wrote: > Hey Stephanie, > I'm definitely still on board for getting a group of people together to talk > about this. > > looking at the agenda, lunch time all week or tuesday and wednesday morning > look like the least slammed time periods. A lunch meeting/discussion might > be good, since we all have to eat sometime. We could just pick a location > and everyone interested could just bring there lunch and join in. > > I'm up for checking out other times too though. Look forward to getting > something together. > > Greg Aikens > gpaikens at gmail.com > 404-444-8661 > > On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:24 PM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, if there is still interest in a young professionals .... >> *thing,* be it group or division, let's get together next week! Please >> contact me off-list at sjhhirst at gmail.com. I think there are a lot of >> good >> reasons that would merit a young professionals group or division in the >> NFB, but it can't be done by one person! >> >> Stephanie Hirst DeLuca >> Vanderbilt University CPB Ph.D. Candidate >> Meiler Laboratory >> Email: >> stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu >> Phone: 615 936 6594 >> Cell: 256 810 2138 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > From gpaikens at gmail.com Fri Jun 28 21:05:37 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:05:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential young professionals group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8759E366-0B1B-41B4-886E-24B78E5C0B94@gmail.com> Hi Anna, This definitely could include students. At this point we are just brainstorming to see if we can find a place for young professionals who are transitioning from student life to career life. Groups I think might be interested would be those in their first few/several years of their career, those who have graduated and are seeking work, those in graduate studies or who are approaching the end of their degree and anticipating the shift into the working world. Non traditional students or second career students might also be interested. Basically anyone who thinks they fall into the category of "young professional." Those are my thoughts. Would love to see lots of people come out. -Greg On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > Who all would this include? > I guess not students? > > Anna > > On 6/28/13, Greg Aikens wrote: >> Hey Stephanie, >> I'm definitely still on board for getting a group of people together to talk >> about this. >> >> looking at the agenda, lunch time all week or tuesday and wednesday morning >> look like the least slammed time periods. A lunch meeting/discussion might >> be good, since we all have to eat sometime. We could just pick a location >> and everyone interested could just bring there lunch and join in. >> >> I'm up for checking out other times too though. Look forward to getting >> something together. >> >> Greg Aikens >> gpaikens at gmail.com >> 404-444-8661 >> >> On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:24 PM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, if there is still interest in a young professionals .... >>> *thing,* be it group or division, let's get together next week! Please >>> contact me off-list at sjhhirst at gmail.com. I think there are a lot of >>> good >>> reasons that would merit a young professionals group or division in the >>> NFB, but it can't be done by one person! >>> >>> Stephanie Hirst DeLuca >>> Vanderbilt University CPB Ph.D. Candidate >>> Meiler Laboratory >>> Email: >>> stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu >>> Phone: 615 936 6594 >>> Cell: 256 810 2138 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Fri Jun 28 21:33:55 2013 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina Cruz) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:33:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea In-Reply-To: References: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com> <000f01ce6ade$ee51df30$caf59d90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I'm still interested in working to create such a booklet for high school and college students. This is quite a huge idea, and if something like this already exists then it'd be best if we don't reinvent the wheel. I'm not sure about high schools, but the college I attended had other students who were visually impaired but they weren't able to obtain information from the DS office about assistive technology and struggled with magnifiers and enlarged screens. Rather then depending on the DS office or rehab to offer we have this list, but I'm sure where is a large number of students we could reach with a booklet. Are there more thoughts on this? Any disagreement? Who would be interested and willing to invest time in getting this off the ground? Thanks :) On 6/23/13, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi all, > > I like the idea of tailoring it to reach certain populations too. > Perhaps a high school book and then a college and beyond book would be > cool? > > We'd just need a good start on it. I like and agreee with all the > ideas that have been said on this thread thus far. > > On 6/20/13, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> I like it. How do we start? If there was enough interest we could create >> specific books for specic populations such as high school >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:14 PM, "justin williams" >> >> wrote: >> >>> That's great. Outstanding. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina >>> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:29 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea >>> >>> Good evening fellow students, I have an idea which is been rolling >>> around >>> my >>> head. If my idea is totally off the mark feel free to say so. I'm also >>> open >>> to constructive feedback. >>> I understand the students we are extremely busy especially during the >>> semester. As most of you may know, the blind parents division Created a >>> handbook which can be distributed to anyone who is interested in topics >>> related to blind parents. I have found it to be a very helpful resource >>> to >>> pass out to sighted people who have questions about how I do things as a >>> parent who is blind. Could we All work together to create a similar >>> handbook? This handbook could be distributed to universities or even >>> rehab >>> agencies. It's something such as this already exists, I'd be interested >>> in >>> checking out the resource. If not, we could Discuss general student >>> needs. >>> I'm pretty sure there is a broader scope of students that we haven't >>> reached >>> especially those were not on the listserv. What do you all think? I'm >>> curious to hear feedback. Thanks for reading and entertaining this idea. >>> >>> Sent from Anjelina's iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 >>> gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > -- Anjelina From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 28 21:40:16 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:40:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea In-Reply-To: References: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com> <000f01ce6ade$ee51df30$caf59d90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1EE09B9D-03BC-4BEA-8752-B97041A88F19@gmail.com> I might be willing to work on the section on assistive technology, especially the that for the totally blind. I know a bit about technology, having used it in college myself and having researched it for my blog and for others. -Jewel Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Anjelina Cruz wrote: > Hi all, > I'm still interested in working to create such a booklet for high > school and college students. This is quite a huge idea, and if > something like this already exists then it'd be best if we don't > reinvent the wheel. I'm not sure about high schools, but the college I > attended had other students who were visually impaired but they > weren't able to obtain information from the DS office about assistive > technology and struggled with magnifiers and enlarged screens. Rather > then depending on the DS office or rehab to offer we have this list, > but I'm sure where is a large number of students we could reach with a > booklet. Are there more thoughts on this? > Any disagreement? Who would be interested and willing to invest time > in getting this off the ground? > Thanks :) > > On 6/23/13, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I like the idea of tailoring it to reach certain populations too. >> Perhaps a high school book and then a college and beyond book would be >> cool? >> >> We'd just need a good start on it. I like and agreee with all the >> ideas that have been said on this thread thus far. >> >> On 6/20/13, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>> I like it. How do we start? If there was enough interest we could create >>> specific books for specic populations such as high school >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:14 PM, "justin williams" >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> That's great. Outstanding. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:29 PM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea >>>> >>>> Good evening fellow students, I have an idea which is been rolling >>>> around >>>> my >>>> head. If my idea is totally off the mark feel free to say so. I'm also >>>> open >>>> to constructive feedback. >>>> I understand the students we are extremely busy especially during the >>>> semester. As most of you may know, the blind parents division Created a >>>> handbook which can be distributed to anyone who is interested in topics >>>> related to blind parents. I have found it to be a very helpful resource >>>> to >>>> pass out to sighted people who have questions about how I do things as a >>>> parent who is blind. Could we All work together to create a similar >>>> handbook? This handbook could be distributed to universities or even >>>> rehab >>>> agencies. It's something such as this already exists, I'd be interested >>>> in >>>> checking out the resource. If not, we could Discuss general student >>>> needs. >>>> I'm pretty sure there is a broader scope of students that we haven't >>>> reached >>>> especially those were not on the listserv. What do you all think? I'm >>>> curious to hear feedback. Thanks for reading and entertaining this idea. >>>> >>>> Sent from Anjelina's iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 >>>> gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > > -- > Anjelina > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Fri Jun 28 22:16:38 2013 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:16:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea In-Reply-To: References: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com> <000f01ce6ade$ee51df30$caf59d90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DEB2523-282F-4843-8B7C-265235A7F584@fuse.net> Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Anjelina Cruz wrote: > Hi all, > I'm still interested in working to create such a booklet for high > school and college students. This is quite a huge idea, and if > something like this already exists then it'd be best if we don't > reinvent the wheel. I'm not sure about high schools, but the college I > attended had other students who were visually impaired but they > weren't able to obtain information from the DS office about assistive > technology and struggled with magnifiers and enlarged screens. Rather > then depending on the DS office or rehab to offer we have this list, > but I'm sure where is a large number of students we could reach with a > booklet. Are there more thoughts on this? > Any disagreement? Who would be interested and willing to invest time > in getting this off the ground? > Thanks :) > > On 6/23/13, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I like the idea of tailoring it to reach certain populations too. >> Perhaps a high school book and then a college and beyond book would be >> cool? >> >> We'd just need a good start on it. I like and agreee with all the >> ideas that have been said on this thread thus far. >> >> On 6/20/13, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>> I like it. How do we start? If there was enough interest we could create >>> specific books for specic populations such as high school >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:14 PM, "justin williams" >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> That's great. Outstanding. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:29 PI would be willing to help From annajee82 at gmail.com Fri Jun 28 23:09:24 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:09:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea In-Reply-To: <4DEB2523-282F-4843-8B7C-265235A7F584@fuse.net> References: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com> <000f01ce6ade$ee51df30$caf59d90$@gmail.com> <4DEB2523-282F-4843-8B7C-265235A7F584@fuse.net> Message-ID: So am I Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Lillie Pennington wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Anjelina Cruz wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I'm still interested in working to create such a booklet for high >> school and college students. This is quite a huge idea, and if >> something like this already exists then it'd be best if we don't >> reinvent the wheel. I'm not sure about high schools, but the college I >> attended had other students who were visually impaired but they >> weren't able to obtain information from the DS office about assistive >> technology and struggled with magnifiers and enlarged screens. Rather >> then depending on the DS office or rehab to offer we have this list, >> but I'm sure where is a large number of students we could reach with a >> booklet. Are there more thoughts on this? >> Any disagreement? Who would be interested and willing to invest time >> in getting this off the ground? >> Thanks :) >> >> On 6/23/13, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I like the idea of tailoring it to reach certain populations too. >>> Perhaps a high school book and then a college and beyond book would be >>> cool? >>> >>> We'd just need a good start on it. I like and agreee with all the >>> ideas that have been said on this thread thus far. >>> >>> On 6/20/13, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>> I like it. How do we start? If there was enough interest we could create >>>> specific books for specic populations such as high school >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:14 PM, "justin williams" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's great. Outstanding. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:29 PI would be willing to help > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Fri Jun 28 23:11:07 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:11:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential young professionals group In-Reply-To: <8759E366-0B1B-41B4-886E-24B78E5C0B94@gmail.com> References: <8759E366-0B1B-41B4-886E-24B78E5C0B94@gmail.com> Message-ID: I will show up if i can, let me know where and when Anna Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2013, at 5:05 PM, Greg Aikens wrote: > Hi Anna, > This definitely could include students. At this point we are just brainstorming to see if we can find a place for young professionals who are transitioning from student life to career life. Groups I think might be interested would be those in their first few/several years of their career, those who have graduated and are seeking work, those in graduate studies or who are approaching the end of their degree and anticipating the shift into the working world. Non traditional students or second career students might also be interested. Basically anyone who thinks they fall into the category of "young professional." > > Those are my thoughts. > > Would love to see lots of people come out. > > -Greg > > On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > >> Who all would this include? >> I guess not students? >> >> Anna >> >> On 6/28/13, Greg Aikens wrote: >>> Hey Stephanie, >>> I'm definitely still on board for getting a group of people together to talk >>> about this. >>> >>> looking at the agenda, lunch time all week or tuesday and wednesday morning >>> look like the least slammed time periods. A lunch meeting/discussion might >>> be good, since we all have to eat sometime. We could just pick a location >>> and everyone interested could just bring there lunch and join in. >>> >>> I'm up for checking out other times too though. Look forward to getting >>> something together. >>> >>> Greg Aikens >>> gpaikens at gmail.com >>> 404-444-8661 >>> >>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:24 PM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, if there is still interest in a young professionals .... >>>> *thing,* be it group or division, let's get together next week! Please >>>> contact me off-list at sjhhirst at gmail.com. I think there are a lot of >>>> good >>>> reasons that would merit a young professionals group or division in the >>>> NFB, but it can't be done by one person! >>>> >>>> Stephanie Hirst DeLuca >>>> Vanderbilt University CPB Ph.D. Candidate >>>> Meiler Laboratory >>>> Email: >>>> stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu >>>> Phone: 615 936 6594 >>>> Cell: 256 810 2138 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sat Jun 29 00:30:37 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 20:30:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea In-Reply-To: References: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com><000f01ce6ade$ee51df30$caf59d90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Anjelina, Does the resource page on the NABS website not meet your needs? It has been a wile since I last checked it out, but it seemed rather comprehensive to me. What else would you like to see listed that does not appear on this list of resources? It would also seem to me that if a student is looking to find more information then they would be willing to take the necessary steps to obtain this information. If anything else, you could suggest to the other blind and visually impaired students to join this email list or connect with someone from the NFB on a local or state level. In a world driven by technology and the internet, it would seem to me that this information would be easy to find. Just my thoughts for what it's worth. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anjelina Cruz" Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:33 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea > Hi all, > I'm still interested in working to create such a booklet for high > school and college students. This is quite a huge idea, and if > something like this already exists then it'd be best if we don't > reinvent the wheel. I'm not sure about high schools, but the college I > attended had other students who were visually impaired but they > weren't able to obtain information from the DS office about assistive > technology and struggled with magnifiers and enlarged screens. Rather > then depending on the DS office or rehab to offer we have this list, > but I'm sure where is a large number of students we could reach with a > booklet. Are there more thoughts on this? > Any disagreement? Who would be interested and willing to invest time > in getting this off the ground? > Thanks :) > > On 6/23/13, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I like the idea of tailoring it to reach certain populations too. >> Perhaps a high school book and then a college and beyond book would be >> cool? >> >> We'd just need a good start on it. I like and agreee with all the >> ideas that have been said on this thread thus far. >> >> On 6/20/13, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>> I like it. How do we start? If there was enough interest we could create >>> specific books for specic populations such as high school >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:14 PM, "justin williams" >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> That's great. Outstanding. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:29 PM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea >>>> >>>> Good evening fellow students, I have an idea which is been rolling >>>> around >>>> my >>>> head. If my idea is totally off the mark feel free to say so. I'm also >>>> open >>>> to constructive feedback. >>>> I understand the students we are extremely busy especially during the >>>> semester. As most of you may know, the blind parents division Created a >>>> handbook which can be distributed to anyone who is interested in topics >>>> related to blind parents. I have found it to be a very helpful resource >>>> to >>>> pass out to sighted people who have questions about how I do things as >>>> a >>>> parent who is blind. Could we All work together to create a similar >>>> handbook? This handbook could be distributed to universities or even >>>> rehab >>>> agencies. It's something such as this already exists, I'd be interested >>>> in >>>> checking out the resource. If not, we could Discuss general student >>>> needs. >>>> I'm pretty sure there is a broader scope of students that we haven't >>>> reached >>>> especially those were not on the listserv. What do you all think? I'm >>>> curious to hear feedback. Thanks for reading and entertaining this >>>> idea. >>>> >>>> Sent from Anjelina's iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 >>>> gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Anjelina > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sat Jun 29 00:36:17 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 20:36:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential young professionals group In-Reply-To: <8759E366-0B1B-41B4-886E-24B78E5C0B94@gmail.com> References: <8759E366-0B1B-41B4-886E-24B78E5C0B94@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello All, If some people end up meeting together at national convention to discuss the possibilities of creating a young professionals group, would someone be willing to report what happened for those of us who are not able to make it to national convention this year? I would be interested in such a group, but I am not able to attend national convention this year. It would be nice to hear what came out of such a meeting even though I will not be there. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Aikens" Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:05 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential youngprofessionals group > Hi Anna, > This definitely could include students. At this point we are just > brainstorming to see if we can find a place for young professionals who > are transitioning from student life to career life. Groups I think might > be interested would be those in their first few/several years of their > career, those who have graduated and are seeking work, those in graduate > studies or who are approaching the end of their degree and anticipating > the shift into the working world. Non traditional students or second > career students might also be interested. Basically anyone who thinks > they fall into the category of "young professional." > > Those are my thoughts. > > Would love to see lots of people come out. > > -Greg > > On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > >> Who all would this include? >> I guess not students? >> >> Anna >> >> On 6/28/13, Greg Aikens wrote: >>> Hey Stephanie, >>> I'm definitely still on board for getting a group of people together to >>> talk >>> about this. >>> >>> looking at the agenda, lunch time all week or tuesday and wednesday >>> morning >>> look like the least slammed time periods. A lunch meeting/discussion >>> might >>> be good, since we all have to eat sometime. We could just pick a >>> location >>> and everyone interested could just bring there lunch and join in. >>> >>> I'm up for checking out other times too though. Look forward to getting >>> something together. >>> >>> Greg Aikens >>> gpaikens at gmail.com >>> 404-444-8661 >>> >>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:24 PM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, if there is still interest in a young professionals .... >>>> *thing,* be it group or division, let's get together next week! Please >>>> contact me off-list at sjhhirst at gmail.com. I think there are a lot of >>>> good >>>> reasons that would merit a young professionals group or division in the >>>> NFB, but it can't be done by one person! >>>> >>>> Stephanie Hirst DeLuca >>>> Vanderbilt University CPB Ph.D. Candidate >>>> Meiler Laboratory >>>> Email: >>>> stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu >>>> Phone: 615 936 6594 >>>> Cell: 256 810 2138 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 01:14:47 2013 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina Cruz) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 21:14:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea In-Reply-To: References: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com> <000f01ce6ade$ee51df30$caf59d90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions. The "resource" page does have valuable information. I was attempting to consider those who may not want to join an e-mail list for various reasons or DS offices who may not be as informed as possible about ways to assist a blind student. Maybe there are other ways outside of lists to reach other students. On 6/28/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > Hello Anjelina, > > Does the resource page on the NABS website not meet your needs? It has been > > a wile since I last checked it out, but it seemed rather comprehensive to > me. What else would you like to see listed that does not appear on this list > > of resources? > > It would also seem to me that if a student is looking to find more > information then they would be willing to take the necessary steps to obtain > > this information. If anything else, you could suggest to the other blind and > > visually impaired students to join this email list or connect with someone > from the NFB on a local or state level. In a world driven by technology and > > the internet, it would seem to me that this information would be easy to > find. > > Just my thoughts for what it's worth. > > Elizabeth > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Anjelina Cruz" > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:33 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea > >> Hi all, >> I'm still interested in working to create such a booklet for high >> school and college students. This is quite a huge idea, and if >> something like this already exists then it'd be best if we don't >> reinvent the wheel. I'm not sure about high schools, but the college I >> attended had other students who were visually impaired but they >> weren't able to obtain information from the DS office about assistive >> technology and struggled with magnifiers and enlarged screens. Rather >> then depending on the DS office or rehab to offer we have this list, >> but I'm sure where is a large number of students we could reach with a >> booklet. Are there more thoughts on this? >> Any disagreement? Who would be interested and willing to invest time >> in getting this off the ground? >> Thanks :) >> >> On 6/23/13, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I like the idea of tailoring it to reach certain populations too. >>> Perhaps a high school book and then a college and beyond book would be >>> cool? >>> >>> We'd just need a good start on it. I like and agreee with all the >>> ideas that have been said on this thread thus far. >>> >>> On 6/20/13, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>> I like it. How do we start? If there was enough interest we could >>>> create >>>> specific books for specic populations such as high school >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:14 PM, "justin williams" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's great. Outstanding. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:29 PM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea >>>>> >>>>> Good evening fellow students, I have an idea which is been rolling >>>>> around >>>>> my >>>>> head. If my idea is totally off the mark feel free to say so. I'm also >>>>> open >>>>> to constructive feedback. >>>>> I understand the students we are extremely busy especially during the >>>>> semester. As most of you may know, the blind parents division Created >>>>> a >>>>> handbook which can be distributed to anyone who is interested in >>>>> topics >>>>> related to blind parents. I have found it to be a very helpful >>>>> resource >>>>> to >>>>> pass out to sighted people who have questions about how I do things as >>>>> >>>>> a >>>>> parent who is blind. Could we All work together to create a similar >>>>> handbook? This handbook could be distributed to universities or even >>>>> rehab >>>>> agencies. It's something such as this already exists, I'd be >>>>> interested >>>>> in >>>>> checking out the resource. If not, we could Discuss general student >>>>> needs. >>>>> I'm pretty sure there is a broader scope of students that we haven't >>>>> reached >>>>> especially those were not on the listserv. What do you all think? I'm >>>>> curious to hear feedback. Thanks for reading and entertaining this >>>>> idea. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Anjelina's iPhone >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 >>>>> gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Anjelina >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > -- Anjelina From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 02:47:26 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:47:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea In-Reply-To: References: <6B0E7679-24D0-4D15-AE2C-41A81104CD22@gmail.com> <000f01ce6ade$ee51df30$caf59d90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I would be very willing to put some time into some sections of high school or college booklets. I think this is a great idea and would be a great resource to those who might need it. >From what I've seen in Ohio a lot of students who are visually impaired and don't have commprehensive support from their families often don't know where to look for resources, and other times they have this false perception of the NFB and think we're militant. I tried introducing a younger student to NABS because I thought it would be good for him to see how other students were excelling and that he could too if he put his mind to it, but once he found out it was NFB affiliated he lost all interest in joining the group. Circulating a booklet might be a good way of getting around this issue, rather than telling someone, "Just go to the National Federation of the Blind's student division page for resources," which can turn some people who don't know about the NFB or NABS for what it really is off. On 6/28/13, Anjelina Cruz wrote: > Hi Elizabeth, > Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions. The "resource" page does > have valuable information. I was attempting to consider those who may > not want to join an e-mail list for various reasons or DS offices who > may not be as informed as possible about ways to assist a blind > student. Maybe there are other ways outside of lists to reach other > students. > > On 6/28/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: >> Hello Anjelina, >> >> Does the resource page on the NABS website not meet your needs? It has >> been >> >> a wile since I last checked it out, but it seemed rather comprehensive to >> me. What else would you like to see listed that does not appear on this >> list >> >> of resources? >> >> It would also seem to me that if a student is looking to find more >> information then they would be willing to take the necessary steps to >> obtain >> >> this information. If anything else, you could suggest to the other blind >> and >> >> visually impaired students to join this email list or connect with >> someone >> from the NFB on a local or state level. In a world driven by technology >> and >> >> the internet, it would seem to me that this information would be easy to >> find. >> >> Just my thoughts for what it's worth. >> >> Elizabeth >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Anjelina Cruz" >> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:33 PM >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea >> >>> Hi all, >>> I'm still interested in working to create such a booklet for high >>> school and college students. This is quite a huge idea, and if >>> something like this already exists then it'd be best if we don't >>> reinvent the wheel. I'm not sure about high schools, but the college I >>> attended had other students who were visually impaired but they >>> weren't able to obtain information from the DS office about assistive >>> technology and struggled with magnifiers and enlarged screens. Rather >>> then depending on the DS office or rehab to offer we have this list, >>> but I'm sure where is a large number of students we could reach with a >>> booklet. Are there more thoughts on this? >>> Any disagreement? Who would be interested and willing to invest time >>> in getting this off the ground? >>> Thanks :) >>> >>> On 6/23/13, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I like the idea of tailoring it to reach certain populations too. >>>> Perhaps a high school book and then a college and beyond book would be >>>> cool? >>>> >>>> We'd just need a good start on it. I like and agreee with all the >>>> ideas that have been said on this thread thus far. >>>> >>>> On 6/20/13, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>>> I like it. How do we start? If there was enough interest we could >>>>> create >>>>> specific books for specic populations such as high school >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 16, 2013, at 6:14 PM, "justin williams" >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That's great. Outstanding. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:29 PM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] A possible outreach idea >>>>>> >>>>>> Good evening fellow students, I have an idea which is been rolling >>>>>> around >>>>>> my >>>>>> head. If my idea is totally off the mark feel free to say so. I'm >>>>>> also >>>>>> open >>>>>> to constructive feedback. >>>>>> I understand the students we are extremely busy especially during the >>>>>> semester. As most of you may know, the blind parents division Created >>>>>> a >>>>>> handbook which can be distributed to anyone who is interested in >>>>>> topics >>>>>> related to blind parents. I have found it to be a very helpful >>>>>> resource >>>>>> to >>>>>> pass out to sighted people who have questions about how I do things >>>>>> as >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>>> parent who is blind. Could we All work together to create a similar >>>>>> handbook? This handbook could be distributed to universities or even >>>>>> rehab >>>>>> agencies. It's something such as this already exists, I'd be >>>>>> interested >>>>>> in >>>>>> checking out the resource. If not, we could Discuss general student >>>>>> needs. >>>>>> I'm pretty sure there is a broader scope of students that we haven't >>>>>> reached >>>>>> especially those were not on the listserv. What do you all think? I'm >>>>>> curious to hear feedback. Thanks for reading and entertaining this >>>>>> idea. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Anjelina's iPhone >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 >>>>>> gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kaiti >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Anjelina >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Anjelina > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jun 29 04:49:09 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 00:49:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential youngprofessionals group In-Reply-To: References: <8759E366-0B1B-41B4-886E-24B78E5C0B94@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0064F6BCA3D54769B5DA709883191160@OwnerPC> I agree. Someone should summarize what was discussed. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential youngprofessionals group Hello All, If some people end up meeting together at national convention to discuss the possibilities of creating a young professionals group, would someone be willing to report what happened for those of us who are not able to make it to national convention this year? I would be interested in such a group, but I am not able to attend national convention this year. It would be nice to hear what came out of such a meeting even though I will not be there. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Greg Aikens" Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:05 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential youngprofessionals group > Hi Anna, > This definitely could include students. At this point we are just > brainstorming to see if we can find a place for young professionals who > are transitioning from student life to career life. Groups I think might > be interested would be those in their first few/several years of their > career, those who have graduated and are seeking work, those in graduate > studies or who are approaching the end of their degree and anticipating > the shift into the working world. Non traditional students or second > career students might also be interested. Basically anyone who thinks > they fall into the category of "young professional." > > Those are my thoughts. > > Would love to see lots of people come out. > > -Greg > > On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > >> Who all would this include? >> I guess not students? >> >> Anna >> >> On 6/28/13, Greg Aikens wrote: >>> Hey Stephanie, >>> I'm definitely still on board for getting a group of people together to >>> talk >>> about this. >>> >>> looking at the agenda, lunch time all week or tuesday and wednesday >>> morning >>> look like the least slammed time periods. A lunch meeting/discussion >>> might >>> be good, since we all have to eat sometime. We could just pick a >>> location >>> and everyone interested could just bring there lunch and join in. >>> >>> I'm up for checking out other times too though. Look forward to getting >>> something together. >>> >>> Greg Aikens >>> gpaikens at gmail.com >>> 404-444-8661 >>> >>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:24 PM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, if there is still interest in a young professionals .... >>>> *thing,* be it group or division, let's get together next week! Please >>>> contact me off-list at sjhhirst at gmail.com. I think there are a lot of >>>> good >>>> reasons that would merit a young professionals group or division in the >>>> NFB, but it can't be done by one person! >>>> >>>> Stephanie Hirst DeLuca >>>> Vanderbilt University CPB Ph.D. Candidate >>>> Meiler Laboratory >>>> Email: >>>> stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu >>>> Phone: 615 936 6594 >>>> Cell: 256 810 2138 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 04:58:54 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 00:58:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential young professionals group In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004a01ce7485$5b503aa0$11f0afe0$@gmail.com> I'm a fan. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 4:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential young professionals group Hey Stephanie, I'm definitely still on board for getting a group of people together to talk about this. looking at the agenda, lunch time all week or tuesday and wednesday morning look like the least slammed time periods. A lunch meeting/discussion might be good, since we all have to eat sometime. We could just pick a location and everyone interested could just bring there lunch and join in. I'm up for checking out other times too though. Look forward to getting something together. Greg Aikens gpaikens at gmail.com 404-444-8661 On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:24 PM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" wrote: > Hi everyone, if there is still interest in a young professionals .... > *thing,* be it group or division, let's get together next week! > Please contact me off-list at sjhhirst at gmail.com. I think there are a > lot of good reasons that would merit a young professionals group or > division in the NFB, but it can't be done by one person! > > Stephanie Hirst DeLuca > Vanderbilt University CPB Ph.D. Candidate Meiler Laboratory > Email: > stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu > Phone: 615 936 6594 > Cell: 256 810 2138 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40 gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 06:16:03 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 02:16:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential youngprofessionals group In-Reply-To: <0064F6BCA3D54769B5DA709883191160@OwnerPC> References: <8759E366-0B1B-41B4-886E-24B78E5C0B94@gmail.com> <0064F6BCA3D54769B5DA709883191160@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Im sure we can handle that. Anna Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2013, at 12:49 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > I agree. Someone should summarize what was discussed. > > -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 8:36 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential youngprofessionals group > > Hello All, > > If some people end up meeting together at national convention to discuss the > possibilities of creating a young professionals group, would someone be > willing to report what happened for those of us who are not able to make it > to national convention this year? I would be interested in such a group, but > I am not able to attend national convention this year. It would be nice to > hear what came out of such a meeting even though I will not be there. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Greg Aikens" > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 5:05 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] brainstorming meeting about potential > youngprofessionals group > >> Hi Anna, >> This definitely could include students. At this point we are just brainstorming to see if we can find a place for young professionals who are transitioning from student life to career life. Groups I think might be interested would be those in their first few/several years of their career, those who have graduated and are seeking work, those in graduate studies or who are approaching the end of their degree and anticipating the shift into the working world. Non traditional students or second career students might also be interested. Basically anyone who thinks they fall into the category of "young professional." >> >> Those are my thoughts. >> >> Would love to see lots of people come out. >> >> -Greg >> >> On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >> >>> Who all would this include? >>> I guess not students? >>> >>> Anna >>> >>> On 6/28/13, Greg Aikens wrote: >>>> Hey Stephanie, >>>> I'm definitely still on board for getting a group of people together to talk >>>> about this. >>>> >>>> looking at the agenda, lunch time all week or tuesday and wednesday morning >>>> look like the least slammed time periods. A lunch meeting/discussion might >>>> be good, since we all have to eat sometime. We could just pick a location >>>> and everyone interested could just bring there lunch and join in. >>>> >>>> I'm up for checking out other times too though. Look forward to getting >>>> something together. >>>> >>>> Greg Aikens >>>> gpaikens at gmail.com >>>> 404-444-8661 >>>> >>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:24 PM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, if there is still interest in a young professionals .... >>>>> *thing,* be it group or division, let's get together next week! Please >>>>> contact me off-list at sjhhirst at gmail.com. I think there are a lot of >>>>> good >>>>> reasons that would merit a young professionals group or division in the >>>>> NFB, but it can't be done by one person! >>>>> >>>>> Stephanie Hirst DeLuca >>>>> Vanderbilt University CPB Ph.D. Candidate >>>>> Meiler Laboratory >>>>> Email: >>>>> stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu >>>>> Phone: 615 936 6594 >>>>> Cell: 256 810 2138 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From philso1003 at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 07:33:54 2013 From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 03:33:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Audio webcast of NFB convention? Message-ID: Hey guys, Do you know if the convention will be webcast live? I can't seem to see it mentioned on the convention website. If you know the webpage that has information a bout this, please kindly point me to it. Thanks!! Phil From icewolf2011 at gtwebdesign.us Sat Jun 29 11:59:02 2013 From: icewolf2011 at gtwebdesign.us (Greg Wocher) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 07:59:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Audio webcast of NFB convention? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51CECC06.2020405@gtwebdesign.us> Hello, I know that the people over at SeroTek will be doing some live streaming from the convention. You can read about it here: www.serotalk.com Greg Wocher Follow me on Twitter @GWocher On 6/29/2013 3:33 AM, Phil wrote: > Hey guys, > > Do you know if the convention will be webcast live? I can't seem to > see it mentioned on the convention website. If you know the webpage > that has information a bout this, please kindly point me to it. > Thanks!! > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/icewolf2011%40gtwebdesign.us > From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 18:45:53 2013 From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 13:45:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Salsa Night and Spanish Seminar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Salsa Night and Spanish Seminar info below! See you all in Orlando! Alex Castillo ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alexander Castillo Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 13:36:02 -0500 Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Salsa Night and Spanish Seminar To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org HI all, I’ve two brief announcements. If you would like to meet other Spanish speakers, and learn about NFB in Spanish, Come to our Seminario Hispanico! This is a great opportunity to meet convention first timers and get involved, or get others involved in this great organization. Come alone, bring a friend, everyone is welcome! 5:00 - 7:00 pm—SPANISH SEMINAR Salon 20, level 2 Blindness is blindness, no matter what the language. Meet new and old friends; learn about Federation philosophy and the truth about blindness—in Spanish. Moderator: Alpidio Rolón if you haven’t already heard, Salsa Night is back in Orlando! Join in the convention spirit and celebrate with the Spanish Translation Committee! We will have a live DJ to get you moving, lessons to get you going, and people to keep you dancing! Details are below: 8:30 pm - midnight—SALSA NIGHT ORLANDO 2013! (Admission: $5.00) Signature 2 Room, level 2 Join us for Salsa and Merengue group lessons being offered at 9:00 and 10:00; bring a partner or find one here. If you think you’ve got the best moves, show off at our dance competition at 11:00; cash bar. Fee benefits the NFB Spanish Translation Committee. Thanks for reading and see you in Orlando! Alex Castillo alexandera.castillo at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Nfbnet-members-list mailing list Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org List archives: From dandrews at visi.com Sat Jun 29 19:08:16 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:08:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Audio webcast of NFB convention? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It will be streamed from nfb.org an announcement went out earlier this week. Dave At 02:33 AM 6/29/2013, you wrote: >Hey guys, > >Do you know if the convention will be webcast live? I can't seem to >see it mentioned on the convention website. If you know the webpage >that has information a bout this, please kindly point me to it. >Thanks!! > >Phil From dandrews at visi.com Sat Jun 29 19:09:07 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:09:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Audio webcast of NFB convention? In-Reply-To: <51CECC06.2020405@gtwebdesign.us> References: <51CECC06.2020405@gtwebdesign.us> Message-ID: They don't start until Thursday, and will concentrate on technology, not the meat of the Convention. Dave At 06:59 AM 6/29/2013, you wrote: >Hello, >I know that the people over at SeroTek will be doing some live >streaming from the convention. You can read about it here: >www.serotalk.com > >Greg Wocher > >Follow me on Twitter @GWocher > >On 6/29/2013 3:33 AM, Phil wrote: >>Hey guys, >> >>Do you know if the convention will be webcast live? I can't seem to >>see it mentioned on the convention website. If you know the webpage >>that has information a bout this, please kindly point me to it. >>Thanks!! >> >>Phil From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jun 29 19:48:03 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 15:48:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent Message-ID: Hi all, In the email about the Performing arts division meeting, it was noted that there would be an internet broadcast of Keven Reeves presentation on music technology. Where is that stream going to be? Also, is the show case of talent going to be streamed or recorded for future downloading? Thanks. Ashley From kaybaycar at gmail.com Sat Jun 29 22:58:14 2013 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:58:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ashley, Either our division president Jordy or I will provide the lists with a link to the presentation. I do not know it yet, and to be honest, I don't remember the name of the thing they said we were using. I don't really do much with the techy end of things. (A good thing really) As for the talent show, I believe it will be recorded, but I do not think it will be streamed. I will keep everyone updated. On 6/29/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > In the email about the Performing arts division meeting, it was noted that > there would be an internet broadcast of Keven Reeves presentation on music > technology. Where is that stream going to be? > > Also, is the show case of talent going to be streamed or recorded for future > downloading? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sat Jun 29 23:00:35 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 23:00:35 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Who's recording it? It better be Peter! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Julie McGinnity [kaybaycar at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent Hi Ashley, Either our division president Jordy or I will provide the lists with a link to the presentation. I do not know it yet, and to be honest, I don't remember the name of the thing they said we were using. I don't really do much with the techy end of things. (A good thing really) As for the talent show, I believe it will be recorded, but I do not think it will be streamed. I will keep everyone updated. On 6/29/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > In the email about the Performing arts division meeting, it was noted that > there would be an internet broadcast of Keven Reeves presentation on music > technology. Where is that stream going to be? > > Also, is the show case of talent going to be streamed or recorded for future > downloading? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 00:13:12 2013 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (nabs.president at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:13:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Events and Meeting Agenda Message-ID: <008201ce7526$9c9b8d10$d5d2a730$@gmail.com> Good evening, I am looking forward to seeing many of you in Orlando and at our NABS events. I am writing to provide the times and locations of a few NABS agenda items, as well as to share the agenda for the 2013 business meeting. Please come on out and see us at the following times and locations: Monday July 1 9:00 - 11:00 pm-NABS SOCIAL W204C, Convention Center, level 2 Come mingle with fellow students in an informal setting. We are always interested in what you all have to say, and NABS board members will be on hand to take your suggestions and thoughts. Additionally, we'd just love to hang out and chat about anything you like! Tuesday, July 2 6:00 - 10:00 pm-NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS (NABS) Junior Ballroom F, level 1 Come on out to hear inspiring speakers, learn about new technologies, and be a part of the work of NABS. Registration opens at 6:00, and the meeting will start promptly at 7:00. The agenda is packed, so come on out and be a part of this exciting meeting! Thursday, July 4 8:00 - 11:30 pm-MONTE CARLO NIGHT Salons 1 and 2, level 2 Come play various card games with a chance to win real cash! You can also enjoy the various hostages NABS will be holding throughout the evening. You may even want to help them buy their freedom! There will be a cash bar available, and plenty of opportunities to hang with old friends or make new ones. Please come out and support NABS and the important work we do! Take care, Sean Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students (608) 332-4147 Nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 00:37:12 2013 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (nabs.president at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:37:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Events and Meeting Agenda Message-ID: <02e701ce7529$f6ed5160$e4c7f420$@gmail.com> Would it help if I actually attached the agenda? See you in Orlando! Good evening, I am looking forward to seeing many of you in Orlando and at our NABS events. I am writing to provide the times and locations of a few NABS agenda items, as well as to share the agenda for the 2013 business meeting. Please come on out and see us at the following times and locations: Monday July 1 9:00 - 11:00 pm-NABS SOCIAL W204C, Convention Center, level 2 Come mingle with fellow students in an informal setting. We are always interested in what you all have to say, and NABS board members will be on hand to take your suggestions and thoughts. Additionally, we'd just love to hang out and chat about anything you like! Tuesday, July 2 6:00 - 10:00 pm-NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS (NABS) Junior Ballroom F, level 1 Come on out to hear inspiring speakers, learn about new technologies, and be a part of the work of NABS. Registration opens at 6:00, and the meeting will start promptly at 7:00. The agenda is packed, so come on out and be a part of this exciting meeting! Thursday, July 4 8:00 - 11:30 pm-MONTE CARLO NIGHT Salons 1 and 2, level 2 Come play various card games with a chance to win real cash! You can also enjoy the various hostages NABS will be holding throughout the evening. You may even want to help them buy their freedom! There will be a cash bar available, and plenty of opportunities to hang with old friends or make new ones. Please come out and support NABS and the important work we do! Take care, Sean Sean Whalen President, National Association of Blind Students (608) 332-4147 Nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NABS Agenda 2013 Final.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 15813 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Jun 30 00:37:55 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:37:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Events and Meeting Agenda In-Reply-To: <008201ce7526$9c9b8d10$d5d2a730$@gmail.com> References: <008201ce7526$9c9b8d10$d5d2a730$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sean, I do not see an agenda for the business meeting included with this message. Am I somehow missing something here? Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:13 PM To: ; Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Events and Meeting Agenda > Good evening, > > > > I am looking forward to seeing many of you in Orlando and at our NABS > events. I am writing to provide the times and locations of a few NABS > agenda > items, as well as to share the agenda for the 2013 business meeting. > > > > Please come on out and see us at the following times and locations: > > > > Monday July 1 > > 9:00 - 11:00 pm-NABS SOCIAL > > W204C, Convention Center, level 2 > > Come mingle with fellow students in an informal setting. We are always > interested in what you all have to say, and NABS board members will be on > hand to take your suggestions and thoughts. Additionally, we'd just love > to > hang out and chat about anything you like! > > > > Tuesday, July 2 > > 6:00 - 10:00 pm-NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS (NABS) > > Junior Ballroom F, level 1 > > Come on out to hear inspiring speakers, learn about new technologies, and > be > a part of the work of NABS. Registration opens at 6:00, and the meeting > will > start promptly at 7:00. The agenda is packed, so come on out and be a part > of this exciting meeting! > > > > Thursday, July 4 > > 8:00 - 11:30 pm-MONTE CARLO NIGHT > > Salons 1 and 2, level 2 > > Come play various card games with a chance to win real cash! You can also > enjoy the various hostages NABS will be holding throughout the evening. > You > may even want to help them buy their freedom! There will be a cash bar > available, and plenty of opportunities to hang with old friends or make > new > ones. > > > > Please come out and support NABS and the important work we do! > > > > Take care, > > > > Sean > > > > Sean Whalen > > President, National Association of Blind Students > > (608) 332-4147 > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Jun 30 01:16:16 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 21:16:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Events and Meeting Agenda In-Reply-To: <02e701ce7529$f6ed5160$e4c7f420$@gmail.com> References: <02e701ce7529$f6ed5160$e4c7f420$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sean, Yes, it definitely helps when you attach the agenda. Looks like you have worked hard to put together a good agenda. I hope all the NABS activities at national convention run smoothly. Best of luck, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:37 PM To: ; Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Events and Meeting Agenda > Would it help if I actually attached the agenda? > > > > See you in Orlando! > > > > Good evening, > > > > I am looking forward to seeing many of you in Orlando and at our NABS > events. I am writing to provide the times and locations of a few NABS > agenda > items, as well as to share the agenda for the 2013 business meeting. > > > > Please come on out and see us at the following times and locations: > > > > Monday July 1 > > 9:00 - 11:00 pm-NABS SOCIAL > > W204C, Convention Center, level 2 > > Come mingle with fellow students in an informal setting. We are always > interested in what you all have to say, and NABS board members will be on > hand to take your suggestions and thoughts. Additionally, we'd just love > to > hang out and chat about anything you like! > > > > Tuesday, July 2 > > 6:00 - 10:00 pm-NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS (NABS) > > Junior Ballroom F, level 1 > > Come on out to hear inspiring speakers, learn about new technologies, and > be > a part of the work of NABS. Registration opens at 6:00, and the meeting > will > start promptly at 7:00. The agenda is packed, so come on out and be a part > of this exciting meeting! > > > > Thursday, July 4 > > 8:00 - 11:30 pm-MONTE CARLO NIGHT > > Salons 1 and 2, level 2 > > Come play various card games with a chance to win real cash! You can also > enjoy the various hostages NABS will be holding throughout the evening. > You > may even want to help them buy their freedom! There will be a cash bar > available, and plenty of opportunities to hang with old friends or make > new > ones. > > > > Please come out and support NABS and the important work we do! > > > > Take care, > > > > Sean > > > > Sean Whalen > > President, National Association of Blind Students > > (608) 332-4147 > > Nabs.president at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 01:42:38 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:42:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-3526550382751536561@unknownmsgid> I believe David usually records the showcase of talent. Please correct me if I'm wrong Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Who's recording it? > It better be Peter! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Julie McGinnity [kaybaycar at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:58 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent > > Hi Ashley, > > Either our division president Jordy or I will provide the lists with a > link to the presentation. I do not know it yet, and to be honest, I > don't remember the name of the thing they said we were using. I don't > really do much with the techy end of things. (A good thing really) > > As for the talent show, I believe it will be recorded, but I do not > think it will be streamed. I will keep everyone updated. > > On 6/29/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> In the email about the Performing arts division meeting, it was noted that >> there would be an internet broadcast of Keven Reeves presentation on music >> technology. Where is that stream going to be? >> >> Also, is the show case of talent going to be streamed or recorded for future >> downloading? >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sun Jun 30 01:44:36 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 01:44:36 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent In-Reply-To: <-3526550382751536561@unknownmsgid> References: , <-3526550382751536561@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Chris, David isn't going to be there this year, so I don't know who's recording. He was a no-show last year, too! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent I believe David usually records the showcase of talent. Please correct me if I'm wrong Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Who's recording it? > It better be Peter! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Julie McGinnity [kaybaycar at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:58 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent > > Hi Ashley, > > Either our division president Jordy or I will provide the lists with a > link to the presentation. I do not know it yet, and to be honest, I > don't remember the name of the thing they said we were using. I don't > really do much with the techy end of things. (A good thing really) > > As for the talent show, I believe it will be recorded, but I do not > think it will be streamed. I will keep everyone updated. > > On 6/29/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> In the email about the Performing arts division meeting, it was noted that >> there would be an internet broadcast of Keven Reeves presentation on music >> technology. Where is that stream going to be? >> >> Also, is the show case of talent going to be streamed or recorded for future >> downloading? >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jun 30 01:57:09 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 21:57:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent In-Reply-To: References: , <-3526550382751536561@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <2ADAB7C9F44E49C886F69F1CEB492868@OwnerPC> Josh, David had recorded it in the past though. Hopefully someone else will this year. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent Chris, David isn't going to be there this year, so I don't know who's recording. He was a no-show last year, too! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent I believe David usually records the showcase of talent. Please correct me if I'm wrong Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Who's recording it? > It better be Peter! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Julie McGinnity > [kaybaycar at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:58 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent > > Hi Ashley, > > Either our division president Jordy or I will provide the lists with a > link to the presentation. I do not know it yet, and to be honest, I > don't remember the name of the thing they said we were using. I don't > really do much with the techy end of things. (A good thing really) > > As for the talent show, I believe it will be recorded, but I do not > think it will be streamed. I will keep everyone updated. > > On 6/29/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> In the email about the Performing arts division meeting, it was noted >> that >> there would be an internet broadcast of Keven Reeves presentation on >> music >> technology. Where is that stream going to be? >> >> Also, is the show case of talent going to be streamed or recorded for >> future >> downloading? >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jun 30 02:04:52 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:04:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52E48074FB524D8A8871DCBB12C4A32F@OwnerPC> Julie, Thanks. I look forward to any updates. I think the presentation on music and recording technology will be informative and I'm sure many will listen online when we get the link. Thanks for putting together a good program for convention goers. To all in the talent show, have fun. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Julie McGinnity Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent Hi Ashley, Either our division president Jordy or I will provide the lists with a link to the presentation. I do not know it yet, and to be honest, I don't remember the name of the thing they said we were using. I don't really do much with the techy end of things. (A good thing really) As for the talent show, I believe it will be recorded, but I do not think it will be streamed. I will keep everyone updated. On 6/29/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > In the email about the Performing arts division meeting, it was noted that > there would be an internet broadcast of Keven Reeves presentation on > music > technology. Where is that stream going to be? > > Also, is the show case of talent going to be streamed or recorded for > future > downloading? > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sun Jun 30 02:19:00 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 02:19:00 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent In-Reply-To: <2ADAB7C9F44E49C886F69F1CEB492868@OwnerPC> References: , <-3526550382751536561@unknownmsgid> , <2ADAB7C9F44E49C886F69F1CEB492868@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Noone recorded last year's show, and I told Stringer off about it! Hopefully Donahue will record it this year. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent Josh, David had recorded it in the past though. Hopefully someone else will this year. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent Chris, David isn't going to be there this year, so I don't know who's recording. He was a no-show last year, too! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent I believe David usually records the showcase of talent. Please correct me if I'm wrong Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Who's recording it? > It better be Peter! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Julie McGinnity > [kaybaycar at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:58 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent > > Hi Ashley, > > Either our division president Jordy or I will provide the lists with a > link to the presentation. I do not know it yet, and to be honest, I > don't remember the name of the thing they said we were using. I don't > really do much with the techy end of things. (A good thing really) > > As for the talent show, I believe it will be recorded, but I do not > think it will be streamed. I will keep everyone updated. > > On 6/29/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> In the email about the Performing arts division meeting, it was noted >> that >> there would be an internet broadcast of Keven Reeves presentation on >> music >> technology. Where is that stream going to be? >> >> Also, is the show case of talent going to be streamed or recorded for >> future >> downloading? >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From lily2011a at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 02:38:20 2013 From: lily2011a at gmail.com (Liliya Asadullina) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:38:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent In-Reply-To: References: <-3526550382751536561@unknownmsgid> <2ADAB7C9F44E49C886F69F1CEB492868@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Good evening, Do you already have a list of the performers or may I still try out? Thanks, Lily On 6/29/13, Joshua Lester wrote: > Noone recorded last year's show, and I told Stringer off about it! > Hopefully Donahue will record it this year. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett > [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent > > Josh, > David had recorded it in the past though. Hopefully someone else will this > year. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent > > Chris, David isn't going to be there this year, so I don't know who's > recording. > He was a no-show last year, too! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum > [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:42 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent > > I believe David usually records the showcase of talent. Please correct > me if I'm wrong > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 29, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Who's recording it? >> It better be Peter! >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Julie McGinnity >> [kaybaycar at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:58 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> Either our division president Jordy or I will provide the lists with a >> link to the presentation. I do not know it yet, and to be honest, I >> don't remember the name of the thing they said we were using. I don't >> really do much with the techy end of things. (A good thing really) >> >> As for the talent show, I believe it will be recorded, but I do not >> think it will be streamed. I will keep everyone updated. >> >> On 6/29/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> In the email about the Performing arts division meeting, it was noted >>> that >>> there would be an internet broadcast of Keven Reeves presentation on >>> music >>> technology. Where is that stream going to be? >>> >>> Also, is the show case of talent going to be streamed or recorded for >>> future >>> downloading? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >> life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Sun Jun 30 02:40:59 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 02:40:59 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent In-Reply-To: References: <-3526550382751536561@unknownmsgid> <2ADAB7C9F44E49C886F69F1CEB492868@OwnerPC> , Message-ID: Lily, they don't have auditions. You just pay your $5.00, at the PAD meeting, and sign up. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Liliya Asadullina [lily2011a at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent Good evening, Do you already have a list of the performers or may I still try out? Thanks, Lily On 6/29/13, Joshua Lester wrote: > Noone recorded last year's show, and I told Stringer off about it! > Hopefully Donahue will record it this year. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett > [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent > > Josh, > David had recorded it in the past though. Hopefully someone else will this > year. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent > > Chris, David isn't going to be there this year, so I don't know who's > recording. > He was a no-show last year, too! > Thanks, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum > [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:42 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent > > I believe David usually records the showcase of talent. Please correct > me if I'm wrong > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 29, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Who's recording it? >> It better be Peter! >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Julie McGinnity >> [kaybaycar at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:58 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> Either our division president Jordy or I will provide the lists with a >> link to the presentation. I do not know it yet, and to be honest, I >> don't remember the name of the thing they said we were using. I don't >> really do much with the techy end of things. (A good thing really) >> >> As for the talent show, I believe it will be recorded, but I do not >> think it will be streamed. I will keep everyone updated. >> >> On 6/29/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> In the email about the Performing arts division meeting, it was noted >>> that >>> there would be an internet broadcast of Keven Reeves presentation on >>> music >>> technology. Where is that stream going to be? >>> >>> Also, is the show case of talent going to be streamed or recorded for >>> future >>> downloading? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >> life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From lily2011a at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 02:44:12 2013 From: lily2011a at gmail.com (Liliya Asadullina) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:44:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent In-Reply-To: References: <-3526550382751536561@unknownmsgid> <2ADAB7C9F44E49C886F69F1CEB492868@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Thanks a bunch Josh! Hope you're well! God Bless! Lily On 6/29/13, Joshua Lester wrote: > Lily, they don't have auditions. > You just pay your $5.00, at the PAD meeting, and sign up. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Liliya Asadullina > [lily2011a at gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:38 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent > > Good evening, > Do you already have a list of the performers or may I still try out? > Thanks, > Lily > > On 6/29/13, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Noone recorded last year's show, and I told Stringer off about it! >> Hopefully Donahue will record it this year. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett >> [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:57 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent >> >> Josh, >> David had recorded it in the past though. Hopefully someone else will >> this >> year. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:44 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent >> >> Chris, David isn't going to be there this year, so I don't know who's >> recording. >> He was a no-show last year, too! >> Thanks, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher nusbaum >> [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:42 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent >> >> I believe David usually records the showcase of talent. Please correct >> me if I'm wrong >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 29, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> Who's recording it? >>> It better be Peter! >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Julie McGinnity >>> [kaybaycar at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:58 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> Either our division president Jordy or I will provide the lists with a >>> link to the presentation. I do not know it yet, and to be honest, I >>> don't remember the name of the thing they said we were using. I don't >>> really do much with the techy end of things. (A good thing really) >>> >>> As for the talent show, I believe it will be recorded, but I do not >>> think it will be streamed. I will keep everyone updated. >>> >>> On 6/29/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> In the email about the Performing arts division meeting, it was noted >>>> that >>>> there would be an internet broadcast of Keven Reeves presentation on >>>> music >>>> technology. Where is that stream going to be? >>>> >>>> Also, is the show case of talent going to be streamed or recorded for >>>> future >>>> downloading? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashley >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>> life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jun 30 03:47:06 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:47:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Agenda Message-ID: Anyone got a copy of nabs agenda you can send me -- I accidently deleted it. Dave From kaybaycar at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 04:13:26 2013 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 23:13:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent In-Reply-To: References: <-3526550382751536561@unknownmsgid> <2ADAB7C9F44E49C886F69F1CEB492868@OwnerPC> Message-ID: If any of you wish to perform in the talent show, you can do one of three things: 1. call the number listed on the release we sent out the other day. 2. Find me(Julie McGinnity) at convention. I am going to be rather busy this year, but I will be at both nagdu meetings, the nabs meeting, and the performing arts division meeting for sure. 3. Send me an email. This won't be the best way to get ahold of me because I may not have much time to check email at convention. I am excited that so many of you are interested in the talent show! Look forward to seeing many of you at convention! On 6/29/13, Liliya Asadullina wrote: > Thanks a bunch Josh! > Hope you're well! > God Bless! > Lily > > On 6/29/13, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Lily, they don't have auditions. >> You just pay your $5.00, at the PAD meeting, and sign up. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Liliya Asadullina >> [lily2011a at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:38 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent >> >> Good evening, >> Do you already have a list of the performers or may I still try out? >> Thanks, >> Lily >> >> On 6/29/13, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Noone recorded last year's show, and I told Stringer off about it! >>> Hopefully Donahue will record it this year. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett >>> [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >>> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:57 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent >>> >>> Josh, >>> David had recorded it in the past though. Hopefully someone else will >>> this >>> year. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 9:44 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent >>> >>> Chris, David isn't going to be there this year, so I don't know who's >>> recording. >>> He was a no-show last year, too! >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of christopher >>> nusbaum >>> [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 8:42 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent >>> >>> I believe David usually records the showcase of talent. Please correct >>> me if I'm wrong >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 29, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Who's recording it? >>>> It better be Peter! >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Julie McGinnity >>>> [kaybaycar at gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 5:58 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PAD meeting and show case of talent >>>> >>>> Hi Ashley, >>>> >>>> Either our division president Jordy or I will provide the lists with a >>>> link to the presentation. I do not know it yet, and to be honest, I >>>> don't remember the name of the thing they said we were using. I don't >>>> really do much with the techy end of things. (A good thing really) >>>> >>>> As for the talent show, I believe it will be recorded, but I do not >>>> think it will be streamed. I will keep everyone updated. >>>> >>>> On 6/29/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> In the email about the Performing arts division meeting, it was noted >>>>> that >>>>> there would be an internet broadcast of Keven Reeves presentation on >>>>> music >>>>> technology. Where is that stream going to be? >>>>> >>>>> Also, is the show case of talent going to be streamed or recorded for >>>>> future >>>>> downloading? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Ashley >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Julie McG >>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>>> life." >>>> John 3:16 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From gpaikens at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 04:49:09 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 00:49:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Young Professionals Brainstorming Meeting at convention Message-ID: <1C392CE3-810C-45B9-90D9-6B96AF56E1CA@gmail.com> Hello all, I haven't really heard any strong opinions about when might be a good or bad time for us to try and get a group together to talk about this, so I'm going to set a time and we'll go from there. If Stephanie has gotten off list replies and has something else in the works, I will gladly default to that plan instead. If anyone interested in exploring options for a young professionals group I will be eating lunch at Red's Deli on tuesday, June 2, at 12:00 PM. I'll get there a few minutes early and grab a table big enough to share. I have never been to this hotel before so I'm not sure if that location is conducive to having a lunch meeting, but if not, we can meet up there and go find a better place. My phone number is 404-444-8661. If you are coming, shoot me a text. If you can't make it but are still interested, shoot me a text and we'll see if we can plan some other kind of get together. My email address is gpaikens at gmail.com. That will also work for getting in touch with me while at convention. I'll also be at the NABS social, so I can poll for interest there. I really look forward to meeting with you guys and getting something going. Safe travels and see you soon. Greg Aikens Phone: 404-444-8661 Email: gpaikens at gmail.com From msidhu at nfb.org Sun Jun 30 13:49:13 2013 From: msidhu at nfb.org (Sidhu,Mehgan) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:49:13 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Self-Advocacy in Higher Education Workshop Agenda Posted Message-ID: <636D68CA441CD14AA5280BB414DE57CC1E5653C1@CH1PRD0711MB408.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Hi Everyone, Please attend the Student-Self Advocacy in Higher Education workshop on July 3rd at 7:30pm! Information about the workshop and the agenda is below. I look forward to seeing you there. SELF-ADVOCACY IN HIGHER EDUCATION: KNOWING YOUR RIGHTS AND GETTING IT DONE July 3, 2013 7:30 - 9:00 pm-Salon 20, level 2 A workshop for current or soon-to-be college and post-graduate students to know your legal rights and learn effective strategies for self-advocacy in obtaining accommodations, accessing instructional materials and digital content, and requesting accommodations in high-stakes testing. 7:30pm WELCOME Mehgan Sidhu, Esq., General Counsel, NFB, Baltimore, Maryland 7:35pm INTRODUCTORY REMARKS Sean Whalen, President, National Association of Blind Students 7:40pm KNOW YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS Mehgan Sidhu, Esq., General Counsel, NFB, Baltimore, Maryland 7:55pm NAVIGATING THE PROCESS: HIGH-STAKES TESTING ACCOMMODATIONS AND THE COLLEGE BOARD Jill Green, Senior Director, Case Management, Services for Students with Disabilities, The College Board, New York, New York 8:10pm CHANGING TOMORROW'S FUTURE: SELF-ADVOCACY ON CAMPUS Mark Riccobono, Executive Director, Jernigan Institute, NFB, Baltimore, Maryland 8:25pm STUDENT SELF-ADVOCACY AT WORK: A SUCCESS STORY Travis Moses, President, NFB of Montana 8:40pm HOW YOU CAN HELP THE NFB ADVOCATE FOR STUDENTS' RIGHTS Valerie Yingling, Paralegal, NFB, Baltimore, Maryland 8:50pm QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION 9:00pm ADJOURN Mehgan Sidhu General Counsel National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 Telephone 410-659-9314 ext. 2314 Fax: 410-659-5129 E-mail: msidhu at nfb.org Web site: www.nfb.org From msidhu at nfb.org Sun Jun 30 14:34:08 2013 From: msidhu at nfb.org (Sidhu,Mehgan) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 14:34:08 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Self-Advocacy in Higher Education Workshop Agenda Posted Message-ID: <636D68CA441CD14AA5280BB414DE57CC1E565686@CH1PRD0711MB408.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Here is an attachment with the agenda. From: Sidhu,Mehgan Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 9:49 AM To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org' Subject: Student Self-Advocacy in Higher Education Workshop Agenda Posted Hi Everyone, Please attend the Student-Self Advocacy in Higher Education workshop on July 3rd at 7:30pm! Information about the workshop and the agenda is below. I look forward to seeing you there. SELF-ADVOCACY IN HIGHER EDUCATION: KNOWING YOUR RIGHTS AND GETTING IT DONE July 3, 2013 7:30 - 9:00 pm-Salon 20, level 2 A workshop for current or soon-to-be college and post-graduate students to know your legal rights and learn effective strategies for self-advocacy in obtaining accommodations, accessing instructional materials and digital content, and requesting accommodations in high-stakes testing. 7:30pm WELCOME Mehgan Sidhu, Esq., General Counsel, NFB, Baltimore, Maryland 7:35pm INTRODUCTORY REMARKS Sean Whalen, President, National Association of Blind Students 7:40pm KNOW YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS Mehgan Sidhu, Esq., General Counsel, NFB, Baltimore, Maryland 7:55pm NAVIGATING THE PROCESS: HIGH-STAKES TESTING ACCOMMODATIONS AND THE COLLEGE BOARD Jill Green, Senior Director, Case Management, Services for Students with Disabilities, The College Board, New York, New York 8:10pm CHANGING TOMORROW'S FUTURE: SELF-ADVOCACY ON CAMPUS Mark Riccobono, Executive Director, Jernigan Institute, NFB, Baltimore, Maryland 8:25pm STUDENT SELF-ADVOCACY AT WORK: A SUCCESS STORY Travis Moses, President, NFB of Montana 8:40pm HOW YOU CAN HELP THE NFB ADVOCATE FOR STUDENTS' RIGHTS Valerie Yingling, Paralegal, NFB, Baltimore, Maryland 8:50pm QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION 9:00pm ADJOURN Mehgan Sidhu General Counsel National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 Telephone 410-659-9314 ext. 2314 Fax: 410-659-5129 E-mail: msidhu at nfb.org Web site: www.nfb.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Student Self-Adocacy Agenda 7-3-13.docx Type: application/octet-stream Size: 16326 bytes Desc: Student Self-Adocacy Agenda 7-3-13.docx URL: From philso1003 at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 15:37:25 2013 From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:37:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Audio webcast of NFB convention? In-Reply-To: References: <51CECC06.2020405@gtwebdesign.us> Message-ID: Thanks Dave and Greg for the information. I'll check out the streaming schedule on both NFB website and Serotek. Phil On 6/29/13, David Andrews wrote: > They don't start until Thursday, and will concentrate on technology, > not the meat of the Convention. > > Dave > > At 06:59 AM 6/29/2013, you wrote: >>Hello, >>I know that the people over at SeroTek will be doing some live >>streaming from the convention. You can read about it here: >>www.serotalk.com >> >>Greg Wocher >> >>Follow me on Twitter @GWocher >> >>On 6/29/2013 3:33 AM, Phil wrote: >>>Hey guys, >>> >>>Do you know if the convention will be webcast live? I can't seem to >>>see it mentioned on the convention website. If you know the webpage >>>that has information a bout this, please kindly point me to it. >>>Thanks!! >>> >>>Phil > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/philso1003%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jun 30 20:11:07 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:11:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Audio webcast of NFB convention? In-Reply-To: <51CECC06.2020405@gtwebdesign.us> References: <51CECC06.2020405@gtwebdesign.us> Message-ID: <118AB787E10348EF8D5B53EB98DFB3DF@OwnerPC> I hope serotek streams some at the beginning. The nfb streaming starts july 3 with the board of directors meeting. I'll check out the link. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Wocher Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 7:59 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Audio webcast of NFB convention? Hello, I know that the people over at SeroTek will be doing some live streaming from the convention. You can read about it here: www.serotalk.com Greg Wocher Follow me on Twitter @GWocher On 6/29/2013 3:33 AM, Phil wrote: > Hey guys, > > Do you know if the convention will be webcast live? I can't seem to > see it mentioned on the convention website. If you know the webpage > that has information a bout this, please kindly point me to it. > Thanks!! > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/icewolf2011%40gtwebdesign.us > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://host.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dwebster125 at gmail.com Sun Jun 30 23:57:48 2013 From: dwebster125 at gmail.com (Dave Webster) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 16:57:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Hello. Hope all of you have a great convention. Message-ID: <68E502244CD248E7A141710C09F5FAE3@DavidWebsterPC> Hello all listers. My name is Dave and I don’t post to the list all that much. I just wanted to wish all of you a good time at convention this year. Its been a really really long time since I’ve been to a convention. probablysince 2006. However, I will be listening online to the general sessions so at least I’ll get to somewhat be apart of it. I’m sad I can’t be there.