[nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young professionals division?
Arielle Silverman
arielle71 at gmail.com
Sat Jun 15 18:56:20 UTC 2013
Greg, I'm curious how your TVI degree was funded? Did the program
offer fellowships to all grad students or did you apply for and get a
scholarship from another source?
My experience with the Ph.D. is exactly what you described; the
department's fellowships pay tuition and stipend in exchange for
either teaching or research support. Students in my program do not
work much outside of school and teaching/research duties assigned to
them. However, I think this doesn't happen much with master's degrees
since master's students are generally not being trained for academic
careers. So hiring a master's student to help with teaching is less
justified by the university. I'd love to be wrong about this though.
Arielle
On 6/14/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> That is not true with grad school; it depends. The p h d is going to have
> more funding available.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 7:31 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] funding graduate school, was: young professionals
> division?
>
> Hi Ashley,
> Not to go too far afield from the main topic, but I paid for my degrees
> mostly with scholarships, grants, assistance ships, and some student loans.
> The thing about graduate school is that in most fields, you should be able
> to find a program that will pay for your degree. I have heard some people
> say that if you are paying to go to grad school, you aren't doing it right.
> This is mostly true on the masters level and even more so if you are
> pursuing a Ph.D. This is because on the graduate level, you are engaging
> in
> research/sharing some of the teaching load for professors. It is a
> mutually
> beneficial arrangement for both parties. This is also the dynamic that
> makes graduate school more like a career than other levels of education.
>
> Also, I graduated last August with a degree in teaching blind students and
> was extremely fortunate to find a job as a TVI in the Atlanta area within 2
> weeks of completing my degree. I just finished my first year as a teacher
> and it feels wonderful. Woohoo! There is hope after school. :)
>
> -Greg
>
> On Jun 14, 2013, at 12:46 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Greg,
>> wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one
> degree, but not two.
>> What did you study in grad and undergrad?
>> I assume you're looking for work.
>>
>> Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go
>> to
> that group.
>> Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to their
> careers or have a full or part time job while in school.
>> So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and
> intensiveness of their school studies.
>> Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits
> into a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that
> professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing
> other licensing exams.
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens
>> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
>>
>> I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young
> professionals" umbrella. Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my
> experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and
> the less like traditional school it is.
>>
>> I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what
> group. If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in
> the young professional stuff. If you aren't sure, connect with others who
> do identify themselves that way and see if you fit.
>>
>> -Greg
>>
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi ,
>>>
>>> It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for
>>> young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a
>>> formal division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may
>>> be. One option is for young professionals to get together, form a
>>> group and plan programming for national convention. Another option is
>>> for NABS to appoint a committee for graduate students, young
>>> professionals and non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a
>>> grad student/young professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the
>>> board, but wouldn't have to be). This committee could then plan
>>> programming such as conference calls, happy hours or other
>>> get-togethers just for "mature" students and those who have recently
>>> graduated to network and discuss common issues. I think NABS still
>>> has a high school committee and this would be like the other side of
>>> that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular NABS programming, but
>>> just develop some supplementary programming for mature students. When
>>> I was NABS president I was open to the formation of almost any
>>> committee as long as there was at least one individual willing to
>>> head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting a nontrad
>>> committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two individuals are
>>> willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board would be
>>> comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus on the
>>> young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be a great
> thing.
>>>
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> greg,
>>>> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests
>>>> than students.
>>>> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing
>>>> accomodations
>>>>
>>>> are just some issues that come to mind.
>>>> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than
>>>> expanding nabs.
>>>> Mentoring is a great idea and the groups can work together on some
>>>> stuff, but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and
>>>> attract young professionals.
>>>>
>>>> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I
>>>> hope you gather and further discuss it.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Greg Aikens
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM
>>>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students
>>>> mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
>>>>
>>>> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and
>>>> interests than most of your student population. That doesn't mean
>>>> we can't still act
>>>>
>>>> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think
>>>> there is enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a
>>>> separate group better for all involved.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be
>>>> necessary, but
>>>>
>>>> maybe so. I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor
>>>> one another. I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older
>>>> generations
>>>>
>>>> of NFBers who have worked together for decades.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this
>>>> year to brainstorm and talk about what this might look like? I know
>>>> convention time
>>>>
>>>> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep
>>>> the conversation going. Those of you who are interested and will be
>>>> at convention, let's get together.
>>>>
>>>> -Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" <jsoro620 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the
>>>>> scope of the organization that much broader than it already is, and
>>>>> two, NABS still has to get in the weeds of the philosophy
>>>>> fundamentals: training centers, disability offices, the importance
>>>>> of self-advocacy, etc. When I think of
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like
>>>>> accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in
>>>>> similar fields such as federal employees, and yes, a means of
>>>>> enabling otherwise busy professionals to lend a hand with advocacy.
>>>>> I'm a busy guy but still like signing petitions and calling up
>>>>> congress people in favor of or in protest to some measure or
>>>>> another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to be clear that
>>>>> I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to meet
>>>>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there
>>>>> needs to be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of
>>>>> apathy. I get up at
>>>>> 4:00
>>>>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less
>>>>> around 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter
> meeting.
>>>>> Yes,
>>>>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there
>>>>> is a lot more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are
>>>>> dozens of divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my
>>>>> opposition to most divisions in general, but having too many
>>>>> choices makes people like me not want to participate in any of it.
>>>>> If I don't make it to the national convention and can't make
>>>>> Washington Seminar, where does that leave people like me? Perhaps
>>>>> an alternative organization, but being burned out on the Federation
>>>>> does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway, enough
>>>>> babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is because
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities.
>>>>> Maybe
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif,
>>>>> Zunaira
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to include young
>>>>> professionals as well as students. We can all be in the same
>>>>> division. That way mentoring can take place with ease.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg
>>>>> Aikens
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other
>>>>> young professionals.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca"
>>>>> <sjhhirst at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had
>>>>>> mentioned an NFB young professionals division ..... that it
>>>>>> doesn't exist lol Is this something people would be interested in?
>>>>>> Perhaps we can put it on the agenda for the NABS meeting at
>>>>>> National Convention. ~ Stephanie
>>>>>>
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