[nabs-l] young professionals division?

Sat Jun 15 18:59:54 UTC 2013

Hi all,

I will only be at convention from Sunday to Thursday this year. If a
young professionals group wants to meet and it's before Thursday, I
will participate.
Arielle

On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Greg,
> wow, two degrees. I wonder how you can afford that. VR may pay for one
> degree, but not two.
> What did you study in grad and undergrad?
> I assume you're looking for work.
>
> Justin, Greg is right. If you identify as a young professional, then go to
> that group.
> Grad students are usually mature and studying something specific to their
> careers or have a full or part time job while in school.
> So, they are more like professionals given the seriousness and intensiveness
>
> of their school studies.
> Graduate school prepares you for a profession as well so this IMO fits into
>
> a young professionals group; after all, you cannot get to be that
> professional without good grades, a masters degree, and often times passing
>
> other licensing exams.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Aikens
> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 12:22 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
>
> I would definitely think that graduate students fit under the "young
> professionals" umbrella.  Having completed two graduate degrees, it was my
> experience that the further you go in higher ed, the more like a career and
>
> the less like traditional school it is.
>
> I don't see any reason for real clear cut lines as to who fits into what
> group.  If you consider yourself a young professional, then participate in
> the young professional stuff.  If you aren't sure, connect with others who
> do identify themselves that way and see if you fit.
>
> -Greg
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:05 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi ,
>>
>> It sounds like there is lots of interest in organizing something for
>> young professionals, and several ways to go about it. I think a formal
>> division may not be necessary or appropriate, but a group may be. One
>> option is for young professionals to get together, form a group and
>> plan programming for national convention. Another option is for NABS
>> to appoint a committee for graduate students, young professionals and
>> non-traditional students, and have it chaired by a grad student/young
>> professional/nontrad (perhaps someone on the board, but wouldn't have
>> to be). This committee could then plan programming such as conference
>> calls, happy hours or other get-togethers just for "mature" students
>> and those who have recently graduated to network and discuss common
>> issues. I think NABS still has a high school committee and this would
>> be like the other side of that coin. It wouldn't detract from regular
>> NABS programming, but just develop some supplementary programming for
>> mature students. When I was NABS president I was open to the formation
>> of almost any committee as long as there was at least one individual
>> willing to head it up. I was approached by a few folks about starting
>> a nontrad committee, but it hasn't happened yet. If one or two
>> individuals are willing to take the lead on this, and the NABS board
>> would be comfortable with the idea of adding a NABS committee to focus
>> on the young professional/grad student/nontrad population, it could be
>> a great thing.
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 6/13/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> greg,
>>> I agree. Young professionals have different challenges and interests
>>> than
>>> students.
>>> Inclusion in the workplace, access to technology and securing
>>> accomodations
>>>
>>> are just some issues that come to mind.
>>> So I think a separate division would be better for this purpose than
>>> expanding nabs.
>>> Mentoring is a great idea  and the groups can work together on some
>>> stuff,
>>> but yet I believe you need a separate division to meet and attract young
>>> professionals.
>>>
>>> I won't be at convention, but those of you expressing interest, I hope
>>> you
>>> gather and further discuss it.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Greg Aikens
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:29 PM
>>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
>>>
>>> I agree that young professionals have different challenges and interests
>>> than most of your student population.  That doesn't mean we can't still
>>> act
>>>
>>> as mentors and have a good relationship with NABS, I just think there is
>>> enough of a difference in need and purpose to make a separate group
>>> better
>>> for all involved.
>>>
>>> I'm also not sure that a full blown division would really be necessary,
>>> but
>>>
>>> maybe so.  I like the idea of opportunities to network and mentor one
>>> another.  I really like the sense of camaraderie I see in older
>>> generations
>>>
>>> of NFBers who have worked together for decades.
>>>
>>> Anybody interested in doing a brown bag lunch at convention this year to
>>> brainstorm and talk about what this might look like?  I know convention
>>> time
>>>
>>> is busy, so if lunch doesn't work, maybe another format would be better.
>>>
>>> I really like this idea and if others do too, I would love to keep the
>>> conversation going.  Those of you who are interested and will be at
>>> convention, let's get together.
>>>
>>> -Greg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:36 PM, "Joe" <jsoro620 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I see the rationale for expanding NABS, but one, it would make the
>>>> scope
>>>> of
>>>> the organization that much broader than it already is, and two, NABS
>>>> still
>>>> has to get in the weeds of the philosophy fundamentals: training
>>>> centers,
>>>> disability offices, the importance of self-advocacy, etc. When I think
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> professional organization, I'm thinking concrete items like
>>>> accessibility
>>>>
>>>> in
>>>> the workplace, a measure of mentorship for people working in similar
>>>> fields
>>>> such as federal employees, and yes, a means of enabling otherwise busy
>>>> professionals to lend a hand with advocacy. I'm a busy guy but still
>>>> like
>>>> signing petitions and calling up congress people in favor of or in
>>>> protest
>>>> to some measure or another. Having opened this can of worms, I want to
>>>> be
>>>> clear that I'm not saying the NFB should dramatically change itself to
>>>> meet
>>>> every unique need of a young professional, but to an extend there needs
>>>> to
>>>> be a cool factor that overrides a person's sense of apathy. I get up at
>>>> 4:00
>>>> in the morning to be at my office by 6:00. I get home more or less
>>>> around
>>>> 5:00, and I need something to make me want to go to a chapter meeting.
>>>> Yes,
>>>> it's only once a month, but you active chapter members know there is a
>>>> lot
>>>> more activity than just the one gathering. Yes, there are dozens of
>>>> divisions that cater to specific interests, hence my opposition to most
>>>> divisions in general, but having too many choices makes people like me
>>>> not
>>>> want to participate in any of it. If I don't make it to the national
>>>> convention and can't make Washington Seminar, where does that leave
>>>> people
>>>> like me? Perhaps an alternative organization, but being burned out on
>>>> the
>>>> Federation does not mean I think the organization is a bad one. Anyway,
>>>> enough babble from me. If I express these sentiments at all, it is
>>>> because
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>> think NABS could be in the position to generate some possibilities.
>>>> Maybe
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> happy hour for professionals next year in Washington? It'd be a start.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wasif,
>>>> Zunaira
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:37 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe NABS should simply be extended to  include young professionals as
>>>> well
>>>> as students.  We can all be in the same division.  That way mentoring
>>>> can
>>>> take place with ease.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg
>>>> Aikens
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 1:08 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] young professionals division?
>>>>
>>>> I would also be interested in having a place to network with other
>>>> young
>>>> professionals.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 10:13 AM, "Stephanie H. DeLuca"
>>>> <sjhhirst at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, I was reading through the NABS digest, and someone had mentioned
>>>>> an NFB young professionals division ..... that it doesn't exist lol Is
>>>>> this something people would be interested in?  Perhaps we can put it
>>>>> on the agenda for the NABS meeting at National Convention. ~ Stephanie
>>>>>
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