[nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness

Josh Gregory joshkart12 at gmail.com
Sun Mar 24 00:11:18 UTC 2013 

Ashley, with all due respect, you may call it what you want, but I Personally do not call it trash. I call it a chance to educate, to educate about what we can do not what we can't.

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On Mar 23, 2013, at 7:45 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hello,
> iI haven't read those articles, v but will try to  this weekend when I have time.
> However, from the exerpts, I'd agree with Brandon and Joshua here. Its trash.
> Kerri, I realize prospective readers are nurses, family members of blind people or maybe employers, but I'd say that people seeking information online will go to more than one source.
> Also, I try and be optomistic and believe that people can think critically as readers and think this source is far fetched.
> I try and believe that people who are open minded will seek out reliable information, something more credible than an ehow article.
> They may also be open minded and  form views of our abilities by talking to blind people.
> 
> We do have a long way to educate people. Internet does reach a wide audience; this was something negative; but there are also numerous positive and realistic sources about blindness online.
> However, if there are comment forms, it may help to object to the article. This may or may not be possible; sometimes no field is put down for comments.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:56 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
> 
> Yeah!
> Great point!
> These people need to watch famous blind musicians, for example, like Ronnie Milsap, Terri Gibbs, and Gini Owens!
> They all live good quality independent lives, and are taking care of themselves!
> Why put out all of this ridiculous mess, when they see blind people everyday, living opposite what they're saying?
> Good grief!
> Blessings, Joshua
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum [dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:46 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
> 
> Joshua and all,
> 
> Sometimes, unfortunately, we just can't win with these people. Despite all
> our attempts to educate by word and by example, some people either cannot or
> do not get it. Frustrating, I know.
> 
> The problem, I believe, with articles such as these is that they don't
> consult blind people ourselves or even sighted people who have a more
> accurate and positive outlook on blindness. We always blame society's
> misconceptions about us for erroneous information in articles and other
> published material. But I sometimes wonder where they got such ridiculous
> ideas about the capabilities of blind people. Judging from my personal
> experience, this nonsense is far beyond even the norm of everyday
> misconceptions.
> 
> However, let me add that all hope is not lost. If these media people would
> actually talk with the blind ourselves, we usually get a much different
> result. We instead get final products like the Nick News special on blind
> kids which aired in January. By the way, I'm not trying to brag or toot my
> own horn when saying this. My role in the production of that program was
> just as an interviewee and occasional information provider. I had no control
> over how the segment would be introduced or what parts of my interview (or
> anybody else's) they showed. However, anyone who watched it would probably
> agree that the light in which we were portrayed on that show was a far cry
> from the eHow series of articles.
> 
> Oh well... all we can do is to educate as much as we can and laugh at the
> ridiculousness we get from time to time. It is frustrating, though.
> 
> Chriss
> 
> Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair
> Public Relations Committee
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Phone: (443) 547-2409
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:48 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
> 
> LOL!
> Good grief!
> Where does this nonsense end?
> Again, good grief!
> Blessings, Joshua
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Arielle Silverman
> [arielle71 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 4:40 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
> 
> There's also another funny one, "how to entertain a blind person". One of
> the suggestions is to hold a musical competition, start singing a song as a
> group and then see who can finish the song after you turn off the music. You
> know, since blind people have such musical talent and superhearing...I
> laughed because I suck at remembering lyrics and would do horribly at that
> game!
> Arielle
> 
> On 3/22/13, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Kaiti:
>> Wow!
>> You attend Braille Beats?
>> Awesome!
>> That was a great post, BTW!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kaiti Shelton
>> [crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:53 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Brandon's last post made my week!  I don't think it is right for stuff
>> like this to be available to give sighted people a false idea of what
>> blind people are like, but I too have seen many other articles that
>> don't make sense.  (Have you seen the article about the importance of
>> teaching ASL to blind people yet?)  There are plenty of non-blindness
>> related ones that are total trash to if you just look them up, and
>> nothing from E-How should be taken seriously.  That being said, I
>> think I'm somewhere in between; I've recognized E-How for what it is
>> as Brandon pointed out, but I think that there is a definite line
>> between sensitivity and humor and in this case some of these articles
>> do cross that line.  I know I would probably give someone the whatfor
>> if they tried to feed me or refused to give me a full glass of Coke
>> because I'm blind, but it's just a matter of letting E-How know they
>> should evaluate some of these grossly insensitive articles.
>> 
>> Brandon:  I know people from a music program I attend in the summers
>> called Braille Beats who actually describe sighted people as "Light
>> dependent."  Your post reminded me of that and captured that idea
>> perfectly.
>> 
>> How to manage a day with a Light-ependent person.
>> 
>> People who have the misfortune of being congenitally dependent upon
>> light for survival need several accomodations including patience and
>> understanding from those not afflicted by the condition.  In this
>> article I will present some everyday situations and ways you can help
>> your light-dependent friend or family member get through the day.
>> 
>> Driving in the car going somewhere: When the person complains about
>> the bad driving of others, simply smile and distract him/her from the
>> road rage.  Find a topic of conversation which interests both of you,
>> but still make sure they focus on their personal driving.  Be patient
>> with them, although nothing is really solved by getting mad at other
>> drivers.  They really can't help it sometimes.
>> Reading their own writing:  Another factor of frustration for
>> light-dependent people is reading their own writing.  Light-dependent
>> people don't have the advantage of using a system so eligant as
>> braille where letters are confused not too often, especially when
>> contractions are used.  Because their system is more cumbersome and
>> they have the poor tendency to write sloppily when rushed they
>> sometimes can't even read what they've written.  They also don't have
>> access to a refreshable display for their writing, so papers are
>> frequently lost in the shuffle.  This leads to frustration and other
>> factors such as getting lost on the way to a destination or forgetting
>> something they needed from the store.  Try to be patient and help them
>> remember what it is they wanted to buy, or perhaps that exit number
>> they told you they'd need to take off the highway.
>> In a college dorm at night: Sometimes your roommate may need to stay
>> up later than you and in order to complete their work they may need a
>> light.  Again, be patient; if noise bothers you plug yourself into
>> your IPod and try falling asleep to music.  If the light is bothersome
>> try to block it out; if you only have vision from one eye putting that
>> side of your face into the pillow does the trick wonderfully.  Do
>> this, and be thankful that you don't necessarily need light to read a
>> book or that you can turn off the screen on your laptop out of
>> consideration for others.
>> 
>> Okay, the last one was me grasping for straws, but you get the
>> picture.  I also didn't mean to talk down sighted people; just an
>> attempt at humor.
>> 
>> On 3/22/13, Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I'm pretty sure this is a gag, most of their other articles seem
>>> pretty ridiculous as well. I may write an article on how to prep a
>>> room for a sighted person.
>>> 
>>> Make sure lights are turned on and not facing toward the door.
>>> Sighted people don't like walking into dark rooms. They also don't
>>> like walking into
>>> 
>>> bright lights, so one needs to find the perfect balance.
>>> Open the curtains if it is day time, even if it is really warm
>>> outside and the AC is on. Sighted people love to have the sun shining
>>> into their house even though it raises the electrical bill. Make sure
>>> print labels on food and appliances aren't covered by anything so the
>>> sighted person can feel comfortable reading the familiar labels. If
>>> there aren't already print labels on something, make sure they are
>>> printed in at least 12 point font with black letters on a white
>>> background. Make sure your TV screen is on and
>>> 
>>> make sure your computer screen shows what you are doing at all times.
>>> If you
>>> 
>>> wish to be safe, slow down your screen reader so the sighted person
>>> won't feel left out of what you are doing.
>>> If you plan on cooking with the sighted person in the house, make
>>> sure to wear big gloves, because it raises the anxiety level of the
>>> sighted person seeing someone cutting and using hot items without
>>> protection.
>>> If you follow all these instructions, you will be able to interact
>>> with a sighted person comfortably in your house.
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Josh Gregory
>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:58 PM
>>> To: Misty Dawn Bradley ; National Association of Blind Students
>>> mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>> 
>>> It's all good, we all make mistakes sometimes, :-)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Misty Dawn Bradley
>>> <mistydbradley at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I am sorry, but I meant to say EHow rather than EZine Articles in my
>>>> earlier post.
>>>> Misty
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "justin williams"
>>>> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 3:26 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> It is important to read their trash.  Remember, other people are,
>>>>> and to their mind, they no things about you.  You can more easily
>>>>> refute them if you have some idea on what people are saying.  You
>>>>> can't advocate without proper information.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh
>>>>> Gregory
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:18 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Joshua, you don't want to read their trash, so you say, but you
>>>>> say that it is important to educate them. I get that, but if you
>>>>> read it, you can assist in educating them. Doing nothing is not a
>>>>> good idea here, and when
>>>>> 
>>>>> I
>>>>> get a chance in a bit, I'm going to find these articles and see what
>>>>> they're
>>>>> like.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't want to read their trash.
>>>>>> If they have something negative to say, I'd usually E-Mail them and
>>>>>> give
>>>>> them my take on the matter, and teach them some old school NFB
>>>>> philosophy!
>>>>>> Does EHow have a captcha on their contact form?
>>>>>> BTW, the ideas come from the ignorant people that don't know anything,
>>>>>> and
>>>>> have never seen a blind person do anything independently!
>>>>>> We need to do something, and I posted a suggestion on another thread
>>>>>> that
>>>>> I just started.
>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Carrie Gilmer
>>>>> [carrie.gilmer at gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:56 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They are no gag. They are on a well viewed and well shared site. You
>>>>>> think
>>>>> we all are not tired? Saying nothing does nothing but allows them to go
>>>>> on,
>>>>> unimpeded. There was just an article about the real and large problem
>>>>> of
>>>>> employment discrimination for blind people. Where do the ideas come
>>>>> from?
>>>>> how do they go on and on and on? Doing nothing does nothing to correct
>>>>> or
>>>>> stop. It makes me terribly sad and dismayed to hear "they are not worth
>>>>> my
>>>>> time". Is correcting even one mind which may affect a blind person's
>>>>> employment or education worth your time? what if that blind person is
>>>>> you?
>>>>>> Carrie
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2013, at 1:41 PM, Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Those articles aren't worth my time, if they're going to paint a
>>>>>>> terrible
>>>>> picture of blindness!
>>>>>>> I'm tired of these negative ideas that come from the 16th century and
>>>>> before!
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Carrie Gilmer
>>>>> [carrie.gilmer at gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 1:31 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.ehow.com/how_2040980_care-blind-person.html
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There are links on the pages of articles to a good dozen more...one
>>>>>>> is
>>>>> also titled "how to feed a blind person"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What kind of blind person can they possibly be depicting? There is no
>>>>> distinguishing between a newly blinded person from a major auto
>>>>> accident
>>>>> practically in  a coma or a child with multiple disabilities, or a 90
>>>>> year
>>>>> old in feeble health or visually impaired teenager in good health or a
>>>>> normal person born blind.
>>>>>>> The aura of tragedy and burden and superhuman challenge abounds.
>>>>>>> Carrie
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 21, 2013, at 1:00 PM, "justin williams"
>>>>> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Where are the articles?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carrie
>>>>> Gilmer
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 9:49 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Blind Kid Mailing List; National Association of Blind Students
>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] eHow internet article series on blindness
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello all~
>>>>>>>> I discovered last night a series of articles written and posted on
>>>>>>>> eHow
>>>>>>>> concerning blindness. they are misleading at best, horrifically bad
>>>>>>>> perpetuated falsehoods at worst.  I had only viewed four of them
>>>>>>>> last
>>>>> night
>>>>>>>> and had to stop, I was so upset. This morning a friend pointed out
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> was mentioned and partially quoted in another one! I was completely
>>>>> unaware,
>>>>>>>> and found upon reading it, it is in the midst of misleading and
>>>>>>>> mixed
>>>>>>>> messages and not an accurate portrayal from the article or from our
>>>>> life!,
>>>>>>>> I believe it was pulled from. The same is true for a friend of mine
>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>> "quoted" in the same article! one of the articles is titled "How to
>>>>>>>> set
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> table for a blind person", yes, seriously. "How to care for a blind
>>>>>>>> person"...They are Just dripping with condescending dramatic
>>>>>>>> language
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> ideas! They appear to name the NFB (named National Federation FOR
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> Blind)
>>>>>>>> as a reference!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I strongly encourage you to read the articles in the series and
>>>>>>>> write
>>>>>>>> complaints both individually and as groups, with reasoned argument
>>>>> specific
>>>>>>>> to false points. There are multiple authors, so letters naming
>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> each article are needed.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We must get these off the internet.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Contact for complaint for eHow:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO HAS COMPLAINT OR KNOWS ANYTHING ACCURATE
>>>>>>>> ABOUT
>>>>>>>> BLINDNESS TO WRITE A FORMAL COMPLAINT TO EHOW!!!! I will be doing it
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> each ridiculous article!! i believe if they get enough coherent and
>>>>>>>> reasonable complaints they will take these down permanently...as per
>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> policy on misinformation!:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Further Information If you have a complaint, you may contact us at
>>>>>>>> eHow,
>>>>>>>> Inc. Legal Department, 5808 Lake Washington Blvd. Ste. 300,
>>>>>>>> Kirkland,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> WA
>>>>>>>> 98033, U.S.A. If you are a California resident, the Complaint
>>>>>>>> Assistance
>>>>>>>> Unit of the Division of Consumer Services of the Dept. of Consumer
>>>>> Affairs
>>>>>>>> may be contacted at 400 R Street, Sacramento, CA 95814 or (800)
>>>>>>>> 952-5210
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Carrie
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
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