[nabs-l] Need some help college issues

Fri Nov 22 17:55:35 UTC 2013

Hi Bridget.  This situation is not right at all.  I know how difficult
using my math lab can be.  I used tutors to read me the questions that
were on the my math lab site and did the questions with my tutor.  I
didn't do all the questions, but about half of them, my math
professors were very acomidating in this regard.  I took the tests for
my math classes, some with the instructors, and some at our colleges
testing center.  I'd say geometry was one of the hardest math classes
I took, but some of the algebra wasn't so bad.  Since you have CP, can
you use a brailler ok?  If so, you should use a brailler to write out
some of your math problems so you'll understand them.  This does take
sometime, but is really worth it in the long run.  If I had had one of
the new notetakers with Nemith braiolle input, I would have used it.
What your school is doing is completely wrong.  I'm very surprised
your Disability Support Office didn't help you if your school has a DS
office.  Please keep us posted on what happens.

On 11/22/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
> This is true. VR fought me on something and once I filed an official
> appeal, all of a sudden what I was asking for was approved. They did not
> want to do the legal channel.
>
> I agree if she has done all the channel at the school she needs to do the
> next step. In the meantime is there any blind org in your area that could
> help provide braille and the other things you need?
>
> I have a lot of usable vision but am totally color blind and when I asked
> DRC for ideas on handling diagrams with color coded lines in my computer
> organization, the first thing they offered was to make tactile versions of
> every diagram in the book.
>
> Her school is being completely unreasonable and I think legal action may be
> necessary.
>
> Suzanne
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Joshua Lester
> <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>wrote:
>
>> Yeah!
>> She has gone to all of the higher-ups in the school, and nothing's
>> changing.
>> Once they know she means business, and they hear that a lawsuit is
>> probable, they'll give her what she needs!
>> Most people want to avoid lawsuits, so if we "Scare them straight,"
>> they'll do what's right by her!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [
>> justin.williams2 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 8:59 AM
>> To: tyler at tysdomain.com; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Need some help college issues
>>
>> Where should she take it?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
>> Tyler
>> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 9:53 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Need some help college issues
>>
>> Why is it that instead of working on alternative options, everyone jumps
>> straight for a lawsuit? Maybe she has went through a ton of options, but
>> why
>> not take it higher rather than say "o gawd nfb time lets sue lets sue
>> lets
>> sue o yeah lawsuit!"
>> On 11/22/2013 4:49 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:
>> > Bridget!
>> > Good grief!
>> > You've already gone the nice route, so now it's time to contact Chris
>> Danielson, and get the NFB involved!
>> > Can anyone say lawsuit?
>> > I wouldn't reckomend suing unless you've exhausted all of your options,
>> but it looks like you have!
>> > Good grief!
>> > Blessings, Joshua
>> > ________________________________________
>> > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Bobbi Pompey
>> > [pompey2010 at yahoo.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 1:54 AM
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Need some help college issues
>> >
>> > This is ridiculous. Based on the info provided, you have spoken with DS
>> and professors. And both haven given you I ignorant, insensitive, rude,
>> and
>> most importantly illegal feedback. In my opinion this is the proper time
>> to
>> work your way up the chain of command. Talk to the head of
>> departments/colleges that the class falls under. Talk to the department
>> chair over DS. And need be, talk to the Chanselor. Document everything
>> that
>> had occurred and remind them of their legal obligations. I'm not saying
>> sue
>> or threaten to sue them. But in my experiences, Judy saying the word
>> "illegal" scares them because they don't want a lawsuit. Plus it lets
>> them
>> know that you know your rights.
>> >
>> > I've had similar situations and this is what I did. I hope this helps!
>> >
>> > Bobbi A. L. Pompey
>> > (336) 988-6375
>> > pompey2010 at yahoo.com
>> > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey
>> >
>> >> On Nov 22, 2013, at 12:26 AM, Bridget Walker
>> >> <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi everyone,
>> >> I have reached a point where I need all the help I can get. First it
>> helps to have some background. My primary disability is blindness due to
>> a
>> TBI. I have another component to my condition which is spastic CP.
>> >> So I am now a junior, an education major, and think I have it all. At
>> least that's how the semester starts.
>> >> I need to know what do I do if due to my secondary disabilities that
>> >> are
>> not blindness professors either refuse to accommodate me all together or
>> focus on one disability and not the other?
>> >> My next question is in the area of equal access. I am all for
>> >> advocating
>> for yourself in this area and using whatever you have to get the job
>> done.
>> >> One of my professors uses google sites and although I made her along
>> with
>> DS aware of the accessibility problem I am still required to use the
>> site.
>> I
>> sent everyone the letter Sean sent the list with my explanation but they
>> don't care.
>> >> Now we move on to art. I'm taking a sculpture class nice and tactile.
>> The
>> professor refuses to grade me because I'm blind and have CP. I can't see
>> and
>> can't move my hands the way other people do. She said I receive a pass
>> fail
>> for the class and am required to do everything but not for an actual
>> letter
>> grade. She told me at the start I can see powerpoints. Ok no if I read
>> Braille, have a guide dog, and get migraines when I use my eyes I don't
>> think I can see. DS didn't even back me up I had to bring my eye report
>> to
>> the head of the art department to prove my disability. Let's add in the
>> part
>> there is already documentation about my disability at DS.
>> >> Finally we get to math. Let me say I knew math was going to be a
>> challenge. My book is I not accessible on my math lab with jaws 15. The
>> college wanted me to downgrade my screen reader and my IE version so my
>> math
>> lab might work. I tested it with an older version of jaws and windows
>> seven
>> it is not compatible as far spas I know. Bigger point I should not be
>> downgrading my technology for a book.
>> >> Then to have them say what is the big deal?
>> >> We have an embosser on campus. We are lucky. I have Braille as an
>> accommodation but, we need someone to Braille my tests because I can't
>> that's not ok and DS is not trained. DS has brailled before and did well
>> they just won't do it I guess a confidence thing. So I have to take my
>> tests
>> with jaws. Jaws and math are not a good combo.
>> >> I just want to know what do people think of all of this?
>> >> I have met with as many resources on campus to reach a common ground
>> >> and
>> I get nowhere.
>> >> I have a year and a half left. I don't want it to be like this.
>> >> I feel like I take five steps forward and ten steps back.
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Bridget
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
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