[nabs-l] StatisticalPackage for the Social Sciences(SPSS) software

Sat Nov 23 18:14:39 UTC 2013

Okay Thanks.

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
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Justin,
it depends on what you need it for. I suggest talking to your professor.
They can tell you what spss is used for.
Excel can do basic functions and it may be easier to use.
But you need the best tool to do what the class is doing. so it depends on
your needs.

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From: justin williams
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Should I use it for my class
Next august, or should I use excel?  It is a graduate level research
statistics class in the field of rehab counseling.
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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 2:09 PM
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Hi Minh and all,

While SPSS was completely inaccessible a few years ago, this is no longer
true - I have been using it for the past five years on a regular basis and
can do almost everything independently. Mary is right that the accessibility
set-up procedure can be a bit cumbersome, but this has gotten significantly
better since version 21. The software license does cost quite a bit of money
though (as a graduate student, I just paid $95 for a one-year license), so
if you are only going to need the software for this one class then it might
not be a worthwhile investment. I'm a big fan of Excel, but based on my
experience it will most likely not be sufficient for a stats class you would
take for your sociology major. Arielle sent around a link to a free,
accessible stats calculator a little while ago on this list, which is
supposed to be quite useful and might be something worth looking into (if
you search the archives of this list for "SPSS" the thread should come up).

If you do end up tackling SPSS and have any specific questions, please feel
free to contact me off-list - I would be happy to share the work-arounds and
tips I have learned with you.  It might be nice to enlist assistance from a
reader when you are getting acquainted with the software, but once you
figure out the basics you probably won't need much sighted help (except for
when you are creating charts and graphs, of course). Hope this helps and
best of luck!

Katie

On 11/22/13, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Minh and all,
> SPSS is accessible. However, it is a bit of a cumbersome, involved
> program for everyone who uses it. Talk to the IT people, they must
> install SPSS, Jaws and the Java accessibility bridge. at that point,
> it'll be up to you to get a good understanding of the software before
> the beginning of the semester. I don't believe in separate but equal
> when there is a way to use the same software as everyone else. SPSS
> isn't perfect but it works. As an additional accommodation, you might
> want to work with a reader when running and reading your stat
> analysis. A reader can be there to make sure that you have clicked
> everything you intended to, and that you are reading what you think
> you are reading. They should only serve as a pair of extra eyes while
> you get your barings and are confident that you are gleaning all the
> information that is being shown on screen.
> Arielle is the expert on SPSS and always encourages contact.
> Thanks.
> Mary
>
> On 11/21/13, Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Minh,
>> Funny you should mention SPSS, as I recently posted about it on this
>> list. You're right to wonder about its accessibility. From what I've
>> read here and what I experienced, I'd say go with Excel. SPSS is
>> SUPPOSEDLY accessible in its latest version and with the latest
>> version of JAWS. From what I've heard though, it's a very graphical
>> program, so you'll wind up exporting things INTO Excel anyway. Excel
>> is very good about statistical calculations if you're willing to sit
>> down and play with it a little bit. So, long story short, see what
>> you can do with Excel and if all else fails, THEN try SPSS. I'm
>> slightly biased, since I had a bad experience or 2 with SPSS.
>> Hope this Helps,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 11/21/13, Ryan Silveira <ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Minh and Emily,
>>>
>>> While I'm definitely not one who would take stats unless I
>>> absolutely had to, I've done some research on the accessibility of
>>> SPSS for some friends.
>>> As far as I know, SPSS has yet to become even remotely accessible
>>> with JAWS or any other screen reader.  I know that it presents a lot
>>> of difficulties to a lot of blind and visually impaired people who
>>> either use it on the job or in school.  There are some other
>>> alternatives which are not nearly as good or as reputable as SPSS
>>> (because let's face it, sometimes these programs are used more for
>>> their reputation than for their actual productivity and
>>> feasibility), but they might be better alternatives for you if your
>>> professor is looking for something more "involved" than Excell.
>>> It
>>> is important that your professor understands that you really cannot
>>> use SPSS and that he or she be willing to allow you to use an
>>> alternative software which would allow you to do the same work and
>>> with the same level of expectations as all of the other students.
>>> If you like, I can do some further research on software that would
>>> work for you and we can talk further off-list.  In the mean time, I
>>> think Emily's Excell solution is probably your best bet.  If you're
>>> having difficulties with your professor, see if you can't persuade
>>> your school's disability services people to help you.
>>> I
>>> hope this is helpful.
>>>
>>> Take Care,
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 21, 2013, at 8:32 PM, "Emily Pennington"
>>> <emilypennington at fuse.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, Minh.
>>>> I'm in my second semester of Stats, and I really like it.
>>>> Fortunately for me, our class is business-based, and we only use
>>>> Excel, which works 99.9237% of the time. I know your professor has
>>>> already designated software package, but if you're having real
>>>> trouble, Excel is a great avenue to perform most statistical
>>>> functions, and most Stats professors know their way around Excel.
>>>> If you come across any formula questions with Excel, I'd be happy
>>>> to talk some more with you off-list. I'm definitely not an expert
>>>> by any means, but I've got a nice system down after nearly two
>>>> semesters, and it's a fascinating subject.
>>>>
>>>> Take care,
>>>> Emily
>>>>
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>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh
>>>> ha
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 9:23 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] StatisticalPackage for the Social Sciences (SPSS)
>>>> software
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I am taking statistics next semester which is a required course for
>>>> my sociology major. I spoke with the professor and he said that the
>>>> main component of the course involves doing work with the
>>>> StatisticalPackage for the Social Sciences (SPSS) software. I was
>>>> wondering if any of you have had experience with this software and
>>>> know whether it is accessible or not?
>>>> I'm
>>>> just nervous that it's not accessible and I won't be able to
>>>> perform any of the assignments.
>>>> Thanks for any help you can give.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Minh
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was
vanity:
>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
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