From jsoro620 at gmail.com Sun Sep 1 00:26:45 2013 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 20:26:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <52223E77.40704@tysdomain.com> <00ef01cea67d$66102520$32306f60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01cea6a9$f09937a0$d1cba6e0$@gmail.com> Suzanne, What places are requiring proof of vaccines for dogs? Showing your ID for a credit card transaction is done so for security purposes, not for the purposes of establishing legitimacy. Yes, there are people who will try to abuse the system, but these are far and few between. Having owned a guide dog for more than seven years, I would say people already face enough hurdles without adding to the burden of showing more proof than what the law requires. If you're going to follow that logic, we may as well bring along proof that our canes are canes and not weapons since canes are more readily available than fake ID cards for service animals. Joe -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 4:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs When people bring dogs to any event dogs are welcome they must show proof of vaccines and registration. I don't feel just because a dog is a guide dog they should be exempt from proving their shots are up to date. I guess for me it would not be a big deal and yes I had a guide dog in the past. I have a dog that cannot have a rabies shot due to a medical condition there fore I can not bring him to any event dogs are allowed that requires proof of registration this includes even things like many boarding places. Some things are worth fighting for like equal access to course materials but for me showing my dog is up to date on vaccines is not something I think is an issue to fight. Personally as a blind person I think people SHOULD have to prove their service animal is certified not just the two ADA questions because anyone can say their animal is a service animal and make up a need they have. You can even buy harnesses online and id's saying your dog is a service dog with zero proof of any training or any need for a service animal. This is going to lead to future problems for those who really have proper service dogs. I had no issue showing my ID card from Guide Dogs when asked. To me it is no different than showing an id when I use my credit card. On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM, justin williams < justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > They can't, or at least, they are not supposed too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Littlefield, Tyler > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:05 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the > DS office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be > something said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or > someone else to move across the room or something. > On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and > horses! > > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! > > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, > > but > you get the point! > > Blessings, Joshua > > ________________________________________ > > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin > > williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > > Shelton > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > > > Hi, > > > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and > > have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. > > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people > > and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any > > problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I > > remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to > > do > with > the DS office. > > > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this > > information so long as you're just eating there. If you were > > working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just > > going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing > > other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see > > how this > would be a true health concern. > > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > >> Hi Minh, > >> > >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with > >> any information. I was in the dining hall and other food service > >> areas frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to > >> work in one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for > >> these questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > >> > >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that > >> not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a > >> reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that > >> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > >> > >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with > >> service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > >> > >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: > >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the > >>> university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so > >>> I don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I > >>> took her into the student union to get meals though. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello all, > >>>> > >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just > >>>> moved into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide > >>>> dog. I have a question regarding disability services and the > >>>> questions they can ask about a service animal. I received a > >>>> message from my DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all > >>>> up to dates on her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back > >>>> asking about the relevancy of this question because under the > >>>> ADA, the only two questions public places are allowed to ask are > >>>> "is the animal a service animal" and "what services do they > >>>> perfor." The dean replied that every university requires this > >>>> information of their students with service animals in case dining > >>>> services need this > information. > >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out > >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I > >>>> do understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel > >>>> as though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is > >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > > requirements are different. > >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Minh > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the > >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it > >>>> was > > vanity: > >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act > >>>> on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. > >>>> Lawrence > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > >>>> 0g > >>>> m > >>>> ail.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gm > >>> ai > >>> l > >>> .com > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Julie McG > >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > >> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes > >> for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he > >> gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not > >> perish but may have eternal life." > >> John 3:16 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet1 > >> 04 > >> % > >> 40gmail.com > >> > > > > -- > > Kaiti > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2 > > %4 > > 0gmail > > .com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pc > > cu > > a.edu > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. > > com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; > he that dares not reason is a slave. > Sent from my Toaster (tm). > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Sep 1 01:23:52 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 21:23:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <36C87461-4878-4143-BF53-136B47BF3ED2@gmail.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> <522243B9.5020908@tysdomain.com> <36C87461-4878-4143-BF53-136B47BF3ED2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <012801cea6b1$ebac4180$c304c480$@gmail.com> Absulutely. I agree. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 6:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs I am not going to avoid working my guide dog in social settings on the chance of coming in close contact with someone who has allergies. To suggest such clearly shows ignorance of what it is like to have a guide dog. One cannot simply prop them in a corner if there services are not desired. Guide dogs require daily work to keep up with their training and strengthen the bond between handler and dog. If I avoided working my guide dog in social settings, she would stay at home nearly everyday and not keep up with the training that she was bred and raised for, that the school spent tens of thousands of dollars on, that was the whole reason I went to school and brought her home for, and which makes me much more independent than I ever was as a cane user. The only reasons I would not work my dog were if it posed a risk to myself or my dog, or if we were in persistent close contact with someone who had an allergy that could not be controlled by medicine. A risk to myself would be if my dog proved herself incapable of handling a location or situation safely and my school and I had not yet found a solution. A risk to my dog would be extreme temperature or weather conditions, or a location where there was a known danger such as a loose dog that was vicious and not yet captured, having to go through an area with broken glass or other paw hazard, or some similar and unavoidable place or situation. People I would consider as exceptions due to allergy are professors, students in a small classroom setting, advisors, or others I must have repeated and close contact with, such as for a study group or tutoring. Currently, I attend a community college, so housing is not an issue, but I have worked my guide dog all over campus and not had any issues. When I transfer, I expect basically the same, and just hope the housing office knows not to room me with someone with an allergy. I will not, though, stop working my guide dog in social settings, a suggestion that is utterly ridiculous. My two cents, Jewel Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I wouldn't want my friendship with the individual with the dog to be hendered, because of their dog! > You can't have a conversation with that person from across the room! > Basicly, if you're in a social setting with other students, use a cane, to prevent any problems. > That's how the traditionalists in the NFB thought! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, > Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > What exactly does using a cane have to do with this? How much you work > your dog is up to the person--where did you become an expert on how > much one should work a dog? Also, there are dogs that are easier for > people with alergies (poodles are a good example) because they do not > shed. I'm not for getting rid of all other breeds for poodles, nor > should you have to. It comes down to this: if there is an alergic > reaction to dogs, someone can say something or move--it's that easy. > Dogs who do not stimulate alergic reactions are not really an option. > On 8/31/2013 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I agree. >> I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of. >> This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you >> mean; I may have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming >> that the grooming is good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed >> in are health risks themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the >> student to carry a service animal in public places. Your point is >> well received Joshua. Most fo the well taken of guide dogs that I >> have seen did not smell, and did not shed over much due to proper grooming. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua >> Lester >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! >> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! >> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, >> but you get the point! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >> Shelton >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Hi, >> >> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have >> seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. >> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people >> and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any >> problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I >> remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. >> >> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this >> information so long as you're just eating there. If you were working >> as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just going to >> get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing other >> people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. >> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >> >> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>> Hi Minh, >>> >>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >>> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >>> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in >>> one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these >>> questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >>> >>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >>> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that >>> not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a >>> reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that >>> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >>> >>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with >>> service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >>> >>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the >>>> university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so >>>> I don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I >>>> took her into the student union to get meals though. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just >>>>> moved into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide >>>>> dog. I have a question regarding disability services and the >>>>> questions they can ask about a service animal. I received a >>>>> message from my DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all >>>>> up to dates on her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back >>>>> asking about the relevancy of this question because under the ADA, >>>>> the only two questions public places are allowed to ask are "is >>>>> the animal a service animal" and "what services do they perfor." >>>>> The dean replied that every university requires this information >>>>> of their students with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I >>>>> do understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel >>>>> as though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >> requirements are different. >>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Minh >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was >> vanity: >>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. >>>>> Lawrence >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40 >>>>> gm >>>>> ail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gma >>>> il >>>> .com >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his >>> only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but >>> may have eternal life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet10 >>> 4% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >> 40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pcc >> ua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >> 40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pcc >> ua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain >> .com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. > Sent from my Toaster (tm). > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccu > a.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From sgermano at asu.edu Sun Sep 1 02:14:13 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:14:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <001e01cea6a9$f09937a0$d1cba6e0$@gmail.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <52223E77.40704@tysdomain.com> <00ef01cea67d$66102520$32306f60$@gmail.com> <001e01cea6a9$f09937a0$d1cba6e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am not talking about specific to guide dogs. 1) Taking your dog to pets smart you are supposed to have proof of rabies and shots. They don't ask but it does say it is required. 2) Dog in the park at baseball stadiums requires every owner of a dog to have proof on them. 3) Pet expos 4) Dog boarding and doggy daycare ... This is for all people and all dogs. Sorry I fail to see the big deal about providing a form to disabled student's services. And why disabled student services and not another department on campus is because disabled students services cannot tell any other department anything about their clients so how would they know who had a service dog. It is people like you with legitimate guide dogs that will start having tons of problems soon because more and more people are faking service dogs just so they can bring their pet to the store with them. People aren't faking canes so they can bring them in stores, on planes, in restaurants but they are faking service animals. I have no issues with showing proof when asked. It is just like if someone wants a benefit say senior discount, military discount, student discount, disabled line cuts if you chose to use them, I see nothing wrong with having to prove you fit that category. There are to many dishonest people. I wish I have a card that stated I was legally blind provided by the ADA or something. I had no issue showing my id card from Guide Dogs when asked. I was asked on several occasions because I have usable vision so people thought he was not a real guide dog. It's just like people who have handicapped placards they give you an id, well a slip of paper, that verifies you are entitled to the placard and you have to show it if asked. On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Joe wrote: > Suzanne, > > What places are requiring proof of vaccines for dogs? Showing your ID for a > credit card transaction is done so for security purposes, not for the > purposes of establishing legitimacy. Yes, there are people who will try to > abuse the system, but these are far and few between. Having owned a guide > dog for more than seven years, I would say people already face enough > hurdles without adding to the burden of showing more proof than what the > law > requires. If you're going to follow that logic, we may as well bring along > proof that our canes are canes and not weapons since canes are more readily > available than fake ID cards for service animals. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > Germano > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 4:35 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > When people bring dogs to any event dogs are welcome they must show proof > of > vaccines and registration. I don't feel just because a dog is a guide dog > they should be exempt from proving their shots are up to date. I guess for > me it would not be a big deal and yes I had a guide dog in the past. > > I have a dog that cannot have a rabies shot due to a medical condition > there > fore I can not bring him to any event dogs are allowed that requires proof > of registration this includes even things like many boarding places. > > Some things are worth fighting for like equal access to course materials > but > for me showing my dog is up to date on vaccines is not something I think is > an issue to fight. > > Personally as a blind person I think people SHOULD have to prove their > service animal is certified not just the two ADA questions because anyone > can say their animal is a service animal and make up a need they have. You > can even buy harnesses online and id's saying your dog is a service dog > with > zero proof of any training or any need for a service animal. This is going > to lead to future problems for those who really have proper service dogs. I > had no issue showing my ID card from Guide Dogs when asked. To me it is no > different than showing an id when I use my credit card. > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM, justin williams < > justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > They can't, or at least, they are not supposed too. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > > Littlefield, Tyler > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:05 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > > > Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the > > DS office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be > > something said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or > > someone else to move across the room or something. > > On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > > > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > > > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and > > horses! > > > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog > sheds! > > > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, > > > but > > you get the point! > > > Blessings, Joshua > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin > > > williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > > > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > > > > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > > > Shelton > > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and > > > have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and > otherwise. > > > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people > > > and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any > > > problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I > > > remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to > > > do > > with > > the DS office. > > > > > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this > > > information so long as you're just eating there. If you were > > > working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just > > > going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing > > > other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see > > > how this > > would be a true health concern. > > > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > > > > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > > >> Hi Minh, > > >> > > >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > > >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with > > >> any information. I was in the dining hall and other food service > > >> areas frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to > > >> work in one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for > > >> these questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > > >> > > >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > > >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that > > >> not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a > > >> reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that > > >> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > > >> > > >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > > >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with > > >> service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > > >> > > >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: > > >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the > > >>> university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so > > >>> I don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I > > >>> took her into the student union to get meals though. > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hello all, > > >>>> > > >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just > > >>>> moved into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide > > >>>> dog. I have a question regarding disability services and the > > >>>> questions they can ask about a service animal. I received a > > >>>> message from my DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all > > >>>> up to dates on her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back > > >>>> asking about the relevancy of this question because under the > > >>>> ADA, the only two questions public places are allowed to ask are > > >>>> "is the animal a service animal" and "what services do they > > >>>> perfor." The dean replied that every university requires this > > >>>> information of their students with service animals in case dining > > >>>> services need this > > information. > > >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out > > >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I > > >>>> do understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel > > >>>> as though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is > > >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > > > requirements are different. > > >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. > > >>>> > > >>>> Cheers, > > >>>> Minh > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the > > >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it > > >>>> was > > > vanity: > > >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act > > >>>> on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. > > >>>> Lawrence > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > >>>> for > > >>>> nabs-l: > > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > > >>>> 0g > > >>>> m > > >>>> ail.com > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> nabs-l mailing list > > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > >>> for > > >>> nabs-l: > > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gm > > >>> ai > > >>> l > > >>> .com > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Julie McG > > >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > > >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > > >> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes > > >> for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he > > >> gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not > > >> perish but may have eternal life." > > >> John 3:16 > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > >> for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet1 > > >> 04 > > >> % > > >> 40gmail.com > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > Kaiti > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2 > > > %4 > > > 0gmail > > > .com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pc > > > cu > > > a.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. > > > com > > > > > > -- > > Take care, > > Ty > > http://tds-solutions.net > > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; > > he that dares not reason is a slave. > > Sent from my Toaster (tm). > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > > 0gmail > > .com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From dsykora29 at gmail.com Sun Sep 1 02:51:30 2013 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 22:51:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <52223E77.40704@tysdomain.com> <00ef01cea67d$66102520$32306f60$@gmail.com> <001e01cea6a9$f09937a0$d1cba6e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, First, there is no such thing as a truely hypoallergenic dog. As Leye has already stated, people's allergies are not triggered by the dogs coat itself. Allergies are caused by a certain protein which can be found both in dog dander and saliva. Although dogs such as poodles often produce lower levels of this protein, they are not hypoallergenic. To my knowledge, the DSS office can not ask these questions, only those which are specified by the ADA. It is completely impractical for a guide dog user to leave a dog behind every time they encounter a social situation. Thousands of dollars and many hours of training have been put into these dogs in order for them to guide, not to stay home everyday because of the chance of encountering someone with allergies. If this does happen, a simple compromise such as sitting across the room will most often be sufficient. There are several draw backs with requiring certification of a service dog. Although many dogs come from training programs which sometimes provide "ID cards", many dogs are also owner trained. How would owner trainers be expected to obtain this certification? Which program would provide this certification? Who would be expected to pay for it? Although service dog equipment is readily available, what makes a service dog is the training, not the vests, harnesses, or patches. Anyway, the service dog itself does not have any rights under the ADA, it is the handler with a disability who has the right to be accompanied by his/her service dog. Danielle On 8/31/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: > I am not talking about specific to guide dogs. > 1) Taking your dog to pets smart you are supposed to have proof of rabies > and shots. They don't ask but it does say it is required. > 2) Dog in the park at baseball stadiums requires every owner of a dog to > have proof on them. > 3) Pet expos > 4) Dog boarding and doggy daycare > ... > > This is for all people and all dogs. > > Sorry I fail to see the big deal about providing a form to disabled > student's services. > > And why disabled student services and not another department on campus is > because disabled students services cannot tell any other department > anything about their clients so how would they know who had a service dog. > > It is people like you with legitimate guide dogs that will start having > tons of problems soon because more and more people are faking service dogs > just so they can bring their pet to the store with them. People aren't > faking canes so they can bring them in stores, on planes, in restaurants > but they are faking service animals. > > I have no issues with showing proof when asked. It is just like if someone > wants a benefit say senior discount, military discount, student discount, > disabled line cuts if you chose to use them, I see nothing wrong with > having to prove you fit that category. There are to many dishonest people. > I wish I have a card that stated I was legally blind provided by the ADA or > something. > > I had no issue showing my id card from Guide Dogs when asked. I was asked > on several occasions because I have usable vision so people thought he was > not a real guide dog. > > It's just like people who have handicapped placards they give you an id, > well a slip of paper, that verifies you are entitled to the placard and you > have to show it if asked. > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Joe wrote: > >> Suzanne, >> >> What places are requiring proof of vaccines for dogs? Showing your ID for >> a >> credit card transaction is done so for security purposes, not for the >> purposes of establishing legitimacy. Yes, there are people who will try >> to >> abuse the system, but these are far and few between. Having owned a guide >> dog for more than seven years, I would say people already face enough >> hurdles without adding to the burden of showing more proof than what the >> law >> requires. If you're going to follow that logic, we may as well bring >> along >> proof that our canes are canes and not weapons since canes are more >> readily >> available than fake ID cards for service animals. >> >> Joe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne >> Germano >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 4:35 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> When people bring dogs to any event dogs are welcome they must show proof >> of >> vaccines and registration. I don't feel just because a dog is a guide dog >> they should be exempt from proving their shots are up to date. I guess >> for >> me it would not be a big deal and yes I had a guide dog in the past. >> >> I have a dog that cannot have a rabies shot due to a medical condition >> there >> fore I can not bring him to any event dogs are allowed that requires >> proof >> of registration this includes even things like many boarding places. >> >> Some things are worth fighting for like equal access to course materials >> but >> for me showing my dog is up to date on vaccines is not something I think >> is >> an issue to fight. >> >> Personally as a blind person I think people SHOULD have to prove their >> service animal is certified not just the two ADA questions because anyone >> can say their animal is a service animal and make up a need they have. >> You >> can even buy harnesses online and id's saying your dog is a service dog >> with >> zero proof of any training or any need for a service animal. This is >> going >> to lead to future problems for those who really have proper service dogs. >> I >> had no issue showing my ID card from Guide Dogs when asked. To me it is >> no >> different than showing an id when I use my credit card. >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM, justin williams < >> justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > They can't, or at least, they are not supposed too. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> > Littlefield, Tyler >> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:05 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> > >> > Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the >> > DS office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be >> > something said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or >> > someone else to move across the room or something. >> > On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> > > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >> > > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and >> > horses! >> > > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog >> sheds! >> > > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, >> > > but >> > you get the point! >> > > Blessings, Joshua >> > > ________________________________________ >> > > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin >> > > williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >> > > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> > > >> > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >> > > Shelton >> > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >> > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> > > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and >> > > have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and >> otherwise. >> > > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people >> > > and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any >> > > problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I >> > > remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to >> > > do >> > with >> > the DS office. >> > > >> > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this >> > > information so long as you're just eating there. If you were >> > > working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just >> > > going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing >> > > other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see >> > > how this >> > would be a true health concern. >> > > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >> > > >> > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> > >> Hi Minh, >> > >> >> > >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >> > >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with >> > >> any information. I was in the dining hall and other food service >> > >> areas frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to >> > >> work in one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for >> > >> these questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to >> > >> worry. >> > >> >> > >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >> > >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that >> > >> not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a >> > >> reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that >> > >> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >> > >> >> > >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >> > >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with >> > >> service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >> > >> >> > >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >> > >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the >> > >>> university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so >> > >>> I don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I >> > >>> took her into the student union to get meals though. >> > >>> >> > >>> Sent from my iPhone >> > >>> >> > >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>>> Hello all, >> > >>>> >> > >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just >> > >>>> moved into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide >> > >>>> dog. I have a question regarding disability services and the >> > >>>> questions they can ask about a service animal. I received a >> > >>>> message from my DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all >> > >>>> up to dates on her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back >> > >>>> asking about the relevancy of this question because under the >> > >>>> ADA, the only two questions public places are allowed to ask are >> > >>>> "is the animal a service animal" and "what services do they >> > >>>> perfor." The dean replied that every university requires this >> > >>>> information of their students with service animals in case dining >> > >>>> services need this >> > information. >> > >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >> > >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I >> > >>>> do understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel >> > >>>> as though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >> > >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >> > > requirements are different. >> > >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >> > >>>> >> > >>>> Cheers, >> > >>>> Minh >> > >>>> >> > >>>> -- >> > >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >> > >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it >> > >>>> was >> > > vanity: >> > >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act >> > >>>> on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. >> > >>>> Lawrence >> > >>>> >> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > >>>> for >> > >>>> nabs-l: >> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 >> > >>>> 0g >> > >>>> m >> > >>>> ail.com >> > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > >>> nabs-l mailing list >> > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > >>> for >> > >>> nabs-l: >> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gm >> > >>> ai >> > >>> l >> > >>> .com >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Julie McG >> > >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> > >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >> > >> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes >> > >> for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he >> > >> gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not >> > >> perish but may have eternal life." >> > >> John 3:16 >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> nabs-l mailing list >> > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > >> for >> > >> nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet1 >> > >> 04 >> > >> % >> > >> 40gmail.com >> > >> >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Kaiti >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > > for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2 >> > > %4 >> > > 0gmail >> > > .com >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > > for >> > nabs-l: >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pc >> > > cu >> > > a.edu >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > > for >> > nabs-l: >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. >> > > com >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Take care, >> > Ty >> > http://tds-solutions.net >> > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; >> > he that dares not reason is a slave. >> > Sent from my Toaster (tm). >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> > 0gmail >> > .com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From jsoro620 at gmail.com Sun Sep 1 14:23:32 2013 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 10:23:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <52223E77.40704@tysdomain.com> <00ef01cea67d$66102520$32306f60$@gmail.com> <001e01cea6a9$f09937a0$d1cba6e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01cea71e$d69835c0$83c8a140$@gmail.com> It's one thing for a dog, any dog, to have a rabies tag. That's responsible pet ownership, and it makes sense for a pet store to require such a thing in a place with a high concentration of animals in proximity. The same is true of pet expos and kennels. I've never encountered the requirement at baseball parks but accept this could be something common to your area. The key difference is carrying a tag versus providing proof of all vaccines as your previous message suggested. Pet-friendly hotels do not request this type of information. We should not impose stricter measures on ourselves simply because the service dog has greater access to public places. By that logic, we may as well ask people to carry about proof of human vaccines since we're actually more at risk of contracting a disease from our interactions with people than we are from our interactions with canines. If a DSS office is requesting vaccine proof of a student for their service animal, I think it fair for the office to point to the specific policy justifying the request. Yes, the policy would strike me as unnecessarily invasive, but it's more difficult to object to something that has been mandated by someone well above the DSS staff versus the staff just asking because they feel they need to cover themselves. It would seem odd that the oversight would fall to DSS instead of residential services or some office where the student would have greater exposure. In some schools it is not even required that the blind student register with DSS at all. I don't understand your point about DSS not being able to tell other departments about their clients... Prove the number of people faking service dogs is growing out of control. Otherwise it just sounds like an alarmist argument. I did not have problem showing an ID card when asked. That was the purpose of The Seeing Eye dispensing such evidence, but showing my card was by my own discretion and not as a result of a legal mandate. If I'm wrong about that, by all means set me straight, but your examples of senior discounts, military discounts and student discounts fall flat because those discounts are optional. A person seeking access to a public facility with a service animal is not. The idea of a card identifying legally blind people is mind-boggling. That's what we need, another database somewhere tracking the number of persons with disabilities. In short, I'm all in favor of legitimate steps to show the person has a right to have their dog with them in public facilities. I'm not in favor of unreasonable steps to excessively prove the legitimacy simply because I am blind and because there are a few people taking advantage of the system. People are not randomly pulled over to show the car they are driving belongs to them. Outside of police stings, people are not automatically questioning drivers with handicapped placards despite handicapped fraud. It's one thing to be a society of rules and quite another to be an overly suspicious society. Joe From: Suzanne Germano [mailto:sgermano at asu.edu] Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:14 PM To: Joe Orozco; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs I am not talking about specific to guide dogs. 1) Taking your dog to pets smart you are supposed to have proof of rabies and shots. They don't ask but it does say it is required. 2) Dog in the park at baseball stadiums requires every owner of a dog to have proof on them. 3) Pet expos 4) Dog boarding and doggy daycare ... This is for all people and all dogs. Sorry I fail to see the big deal about providing a form to disabled student's services. And why disabled student services and not another department on campus is because disabled students services cannot tell any other department anything about their clients so how would they know who had a service dog. It is people like you with legitimate guide dogs that will start having tons of problems soon because more and more people are faking service dogs just so they can bring their pet to the store with them. People aren't faking canes so they can bring them in stores, on planes, in restaurants but they are faking service animals. I have no issues with showing proof when asked. It is just like if someone wants a benefit say senior discount, military discount, student discount, disabled line cuts if you chose to use them, I see nothing wrong with having to prove you fit that category. There are to many dishonest people. I wish I have a card that stated I was legally blind provided by the ADA or something. I had no issue showing my id card from Guide Dogs when asked. I was asked on several occasions because I have usable vision so people thought he was not a real guide dog. It's just like people who have handicapped placards they give you an id, well a slip of paper, that verifies you are entitled to the placard and you have to show it if asked. On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Joe wrote: Suzanne, What places are requiring proof of vaccines for dogs? Showing your ID for a credit card transaction is done so for security purposes, not for the purposes of establishing legitimacy. Yes, there are people who will try to abuse the system, but these are far and few between. Having owned a guide dog for more than seven years, I would say people already face enough hurdles without adding to the burden of showing more proof than what the law requires. If you're going to follow that logic, we may as well bring along proof that our canes are canes and not weapons since canes are more readily available than fake ID cards for service animals. Joe -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 4:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs When people bring dogs to any event dogs are welcome they must show proof of vaccines and registration. I don't feel just because a dog is a guide dog they should be exempt from proving their shots are up to date. I guess for me it would not be a big deal and yes I had a guide dog in the past. I have a dog that cannot have a rabies shot due to a medical condition there fore I can not bring him to any event dogs are allowed that requires proof of registration this includes even things like many boarding places. Some things are worth fighting for like equal access to course materials but for me showing my dog is up to date on vaccines is not something I think is an issue to fight. Personally as a blind person I think people SHOULD have to prove their service animal is certified not just the two ADA questions because anyone can say their animal is a service animal and make up a need they have. You can even buy harnesses online and id's saying your dog is a service dog with zero proof of any training or any need for a service animal. This is going to lead to future problems for those who really have proper service dogs. I had no issue showing my ID card from Guide Dogs when asked. To me it is no different than showing an id when I use my credit card. On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM, justin williams < justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > They can't, or at least, they are not supposed too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Littlefield, Tyler > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:05 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the > DS office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be > something said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or > someone else to move across the room or something. > On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and > horses! > > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! > > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, > > but > you get the point! > > Blessings, Joshua > > ________________________________________ > > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin > > williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > > Shelton > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > > > Hi, > > > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and > > have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. > > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people > > and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any > > problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I > > remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to > > do > with > the DS office. > > > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this > > information so long as you're just eating there. If you were > > working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just > > going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing > > other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see > > how this > would be a true health concern. > > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > >> Hi Minh, > >> > >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with > >> any information. I was in the dining hall and other food service > >> areas frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to > >> work in one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for > >> these questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > >> > >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that > >> not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a > >> reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that > >> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > >> > >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with > >> service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > >> > >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: > >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the > >>> university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so > >>> I don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I > >>> took her into the student union to get meals though. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello all, > >>>> > >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just > >>>> moved into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide > >>>> dog. I have a question regarding disability services and the > >>>> questions they can ask about a service animal. I received a > >>>> message from my DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all > >>>> up to dates on her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back > >>>> asking about the relevancy of this question because under the > >>>> ADA, the only two questions public places are allowed to ask are > >>>> "is the animal a service animal" and "what services do they > >>>> perfor." The dean replied that every university requires this > >>>> information of their students with service animals in case dining > >>>> services need this > information. > >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out > >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I > >>>> do understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel > >>>> as though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is > >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > > requirements are different. > >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Minh > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the > >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it > >>>> was > > vanity: > >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act > >>>> on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. > >>>> Lawrence > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > >>>> 0g > >>>> m > >>>> ail.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gm > >>> ai > >>> l > >>> .com > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Julie McG > >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > >> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes > >> for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he > >> gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not > >> perish but may have eternal life." > >> John 3:16 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet1 > >> 04 > >> % > >> 40gmail.com > >> > > > > -- > > Kaiti > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2 > > %4 > > 0gmail > > .com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pc > > cu > > a.edu > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. > > com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; > he that dares not reason is a slave. > Sent from my Toaster (tm). > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Sun Sep 1 15:20:58 2013 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 08:20:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Message-ID: For me, Minh's situation points toward a broader issue: the fact that too often (though of course not always), Disability Services personnel seem to feel entitled to ask any question, no matter how intrusive or irrelevant, or to offer forms of assistance or advice the student in question has never sought and doesn't need or want. They also, in my experience, too often encourage other individuals' and offices' tendency to approach them, the DS administrators, with questions or concerns rather than approaching us, the students. I'm not a guide dog user so don't know a ton about the regulations in this area (though I agree with others on the list who feel that DS's questions are likely unnecessary -- or at least better posed by another office), but I do definitely feel that we, as students, need in general to be very clear with our DS offices about what kinds of involvement we do and do not consider helpful. So Minh, if I were in your situation, I think I'd let the DS office know that I'd prefer to speak directly with whomever had approached them with questions about the dog. Then I could work with that person or office to allay any concerns in whatever way felt appropriate given the specific situation. Lucy > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 10:23:32 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >It's one thing for a dog, any dog, to have a rabies tag. That's responsible >pet ownership, and it makes sense for a pet store to require such a thing in >a place with a high concentration of animals in proximity. The same is true >of pet expos and kennels. I've never encountered the requirement at baseball >parks but accept this could be something common to your area. >The key difference is carrying a tag versus providing proof of all vaccines >as your previous message suggested. Pet-friendly hotels do not request this >type of information. We should not impose stricter measures on ourselves >simply because the service dog has greater access to public places. By that >logic, we may as well ask people to carry about proof of human vaccines >since we're actually more at risk of contracting a disease from our >interactions with people than we are from our interactions with canines. >If a DSS office is requesting vaccine proof of a student for their service >animal, I think it fair for the office to point to the specific policy >justifying the request. Yes, the policy would strike me as unnecessarily >invasive, but it's more difficult to object to something that has been >mandated by someone well above the DSS staff versus the staff just asking >because they feel they need to cover themselves. It would seem odd that the >oversight would fall to DSS instead of residential services or some office >where the student would have greater exposure. In some schools it is not >even required that the blind student register with DSS at all. I don't >understand your point about DSS not being able to tell other departments >about their clients... >Prove the number of people faking service dogs is growing out of control. >Otherwise it just sounds like an alarmist argument. >I did not have problem showing an ID card when asked. That was the purpose >of The Seeing Eye dispensing such evidence, but showing my card was by my >own discretion and not as a result of a legal mandate. If I'm wrong about >that, by all means set me straight, but your examples of senior discounts, >military discounts and student discounts fall flat because those discounts >are optional. A person seeking access to a public facility with a service >animal is not. >The idea of a card identifying legally blind people is mind-boggling. That's >what we need, another database somewhere tracking the number of persons with >disabilities. >In short, I'm all in favor of legitimate steps to show the person has a >right to have their dog with them in public facilities. I'm not in favor of >unreasonable steps to excessively prove the legitimacy simply because I am >blind and because there are a few people taking advantage of the system. >People are not randomly pulled over to show the car they are driving belongs >to them. Outside of police stings, people are not automatically questioning >drivers with handicapped placards despite handicapped fraud. It's one thing >to be a society of rules and quite another to be an overly suspicious >society. >Joe >From: Suzanne Germano [mailto:sgermano at asu.edu] >Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:14 PM >To: Joe Orozco; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >I am not talking about specific to guide dogs. >1) Taking your dog to pets smart you are supposed to have proof of rabies >and shots. They don't ask but it does say it is required. >2) Dog in the park at baseball stadiums requires every owner of a dog to >have proof on them. >3) Pet expos >4) Dog boarding and doggy daycare >.... >This is for all people and all dogs. >Sorry I fail to see the big deal about providing a form to disabled >student's services. >And why disabled student services and not another department on campus is >because disabled students services cannot tell any other department anything >about their clients so how would they know who had a service dog. >It is people like you with legitimate guide dogs that will start having tons >of problems soon because more and more people are faking service dogs just >so they can bring their pet to the store with them. People aren't faking >canes so they can bring them in stores, on planes, in restaurants but they >are faking service animals. >I have no issues with showing proof when asked. It is just like if someone >wants a benefit say senior discount, military discount, student discount, >disabled line cuts if you chose to use them, I see nothing wrong with having >to prove you fit that category. There are to many dishonest people. I wish I >have a card that stated I was legally blind provided by the ADA or >something. >I had no issue showing my id card from Guide Dogs when asked. I was asked on >several occasions because I have usable vision so people thought he was not >a real guide dog. >It's just like people who have handicapped placards they give you an id, >well a slip of paper, that verifies you are entitled to the placard and you >have to show it if asked. >On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Joe wrote: >Suzanne, >What places are requiring proof of vaccines for dogs? Showing your ID for a >credit card transaction is done so for security purposes, not for the >purposes of establishing legitimacy. Yes, there are people who will try to >abuse the system, but these are far and few between. Having owned a guide >dog for more than seven years, I would say people already face enough >hurdles without adding to the burden of showing more proof than what the law >requires. If you're going to follow that logic, we may as well bring along >proof that our canes are canes and not weapons since canes are more readily >available than fake ID cards for service animals. >Joe >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano >Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 4:35 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >When people bring dogs to any event dogs are welcome they must show proof of >vaccines and registration. I don't feel just because a dog is a guide dog >they should be exempt from proving their shots are up to date. I guess for >me it would not be a big deal and yes I had a guide dog in the past. >I have a dog that cannot have a rabies shot due to a medical condition there >fore I can not bring him to any event dogs are allowed that requires proof >of registration this includes even things like many boarding places. >Some things are worth fighting for like equal access to course materials but >for me showing my dog is up to date on vaccines is not something I think is >an issue to fight. >Personally as a blind person I think people SHOULD have to prove their >service animal is certified not just the two ADA questions because anyone >can say their animal is a service animal and make up a need they have. You >can even buy harnesses online and id's saying your dog is a service dog with >zero proof of any training or any need for a service animal. This is going >to lead to future problems for those who really have proper service dogs. I >had no issue showing my ID card from Guide Dogs when asked. To me it is no >different than showing an id when I use my credit card. >On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM, justin williams < >justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: >> They can't, or at least, they are not supposed too. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Littlefield, Tyler >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:05 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the >> DS office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be >> something said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or >> someone else to move across the room or something. >> On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >>> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and >> horses! >>> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog >sheds! >>> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, >>> but >> you get the point! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin >>> williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >>> Shelton >>> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >>> Hi, >>> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and >>> have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and >otherwise. >>> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people >>> and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any >>> problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I >>> remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to >>> do >> with >> the DS office. >>> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this >>> information so long as you're just eating there. If you were >>> working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just >>> going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing >>> other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see >>> how this >> would be a true health concern. >>> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >>> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>>> Hi Minh, >>>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >>>> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with >>>> any information. I was in the dining hall and other food service >>>> areas frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to >>>> work in one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for >>>> these questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >>>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >>>> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that >>>> not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a >>>> reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that >>>> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >>>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >>>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with >>>> service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >>>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the >>>>> university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so >>>>> I don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I >>>>> took her into the student union to get meals though. >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just >>>>>> moved into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide >>>>>> dog. I have a question regarding disability services and the >>>>>> questions they can ask about a service animal. I received a >>>>>> message from my DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all >>>>>> up to dates on her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back >>>>>> asking about the relevancy of this question because under the >>>>>> ADA, the only two questions public places are allowed to ask are >>>>>> "is the animal a service animal" and "what services do they >>>>>> perfor." The dean replied that every university requires this >>>>>> information of their students with service animals in case dining >>>>>> services need this >> information. >>>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I >>>>>> do understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel >>>>>> as though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >>> requirements are different. >>>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Minh >>>>>> -- >>>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it >>>>>> was >>> vanity: >>>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act >>>>>> on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. >>>>>> Lawrence >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 >>>>>> 0g >>>>>> m >>>>>> ail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40g m >>>>> ai >>>>> l >>>>> .com >>>> -- >>>> Julie McG >>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes >>>> for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he >>>> gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not >>>> perish but may have eternal life." >>>> John 3:16 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine t1 >>>> 04 >>>> % >>>> 40gmail.com >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia ms2 >>> %4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0pc >>> cu >>> a.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdo main. >>> com >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; >> he that dares not reason is a slave. >> Sent from my Toaster (tm). >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia ms2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as u.edu >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gm ail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as u.edu >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40earthlink.net From sgermano at asu.edu Sun Sep 1 16:28:23 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 09:28:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <000c01cea71e$d69835c0$83c8a140$@gmail.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <52223E77.40704@tysdomain.com> <00ef01cea67d$66102520$32306f60$@gmail.com> <001e01cea6a9$f09937a0$d1cba6e0$@gmail.com> <000c01cea71e$d69835c0$83c8a140$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was just saying that if a student registered for services with DSS that DSS cannot tell residential services or dining or anyone else on campus anything about that student including that they have a service animal. Every semester I have to sign several forms allowing DSS to communicate with my specific teachers. Another form to allow them to speak to my adviser if I want them to. Another to speak with voc rehab. So if the school was going to have the policy it would be DSS to maintain the records of the service dog. I am not saying it is necessary or right. I am just saying of all the things we need to fight throughout our lives supplying vaccines records would be way down the list of things that I would fight. On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Joe wrote: > It's one thing for a dog, any dog, to have a rabies tag. That's responsible > pet ownership, and it makes sense for a pet store to require such a thing > in > a place with a high concentration of animals in proximity. The same is true > of pet expos and kennels. I've never encountered the requirement at > baseball > parks but accept this could be something common to your area. > > > > The key difference is carrying a tag versus providing proof of all vaccines > as your previous message suggested. Pet-friendly hotels do not request this > type of information. We should not impose stricter measures on ourselves > simply because the service dog has greater access to public places. By that > logic, we may as well ask people to carry about proof of human vaccines > since we're actually more at risk of contracting a disease from our > interactions with people than we are from our interactions with canines. > > > > If a DSS office is requesting vaccine proof of a student for their service > animal, I think it fair for the office to point to the specific policy > justifying the request. Yes, the policy would strike me as unnecessarily > invasive, but it's more difficult to object to something that has been > mandated by someone well above the DSS staff versus the staff just asking > because they feel they need to cover themselves. It would seem odd that the > oversight would fall to DSS instead of residential services or some office > where the student would have greater exposure. In some schools it is not > even required that the blind student register with DSS at all. I don't > understand your point about DSS not being able to tell other departments > about their clients... > > > > Prove the number of people faking service dogs is growing out of control. > Otherwise it just sounds like an alarmist argument. > > > > I did not have problem showing an ID card when asked. That was the purpose > of The Seeing Eye dispensing such evidence, but showing my card was by my > own discretion and not as a result of a legal mandate. If I'm wrong about > that, by all means set me straight, but your examples of senior discounts, > military discounts and student discounts fall flat because those discounts > are optional. A person seeking access to a public facility with a service > animal is not. > > > > The idea of a card identifying legally blind people is mind-boggling. > That's > what we need, another database somewhere tracking the number of persons > with > disabilities. > > > > In short, I'm all in favor of legitimate steps to show the person has a > right to have their dog with them in public facilities. I'm not in favor of > unreasonable steps to excessively prove the legitimacy simply because I am > blind and because there are a few people taking advantage of the system. > People are not randomly pulled over to show the car they are driving > belongs > to them. Outside of police stings, people are not automatically questioning > drivers with handicapped placards despite handicapped fraud. It's one thing > to be a society of rules and quite another to be an overly suspicious > society. > > > > Joe > > > > From: Suzanne Germano [mailto:sgermano at asu.edu] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 10:14 PM > To: Joe Orozco; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > > > I am not talking about specific to guide dogs. > > 1) Taking your dog to pets smart you are supposed to have proof of rabies > and shots. They don't ask but it does say it is required. > > 2) Dog in the park at baseball stadiums requires every owner of a dog to > have proof on them. > > 3) Pet expos > > 4) Dog boarding and doggy daycare > ... > > This is for all people and all dogs. > > Sorry I fail to see the big deal about providing a form to disabled > student's services. > > And why disabled student services and not another department on campus is > because disabled students services cannot tell any other department > anything > about their clients so how would they know who had a service dog. > > It is people like you with legitimate guide dogs that will start having > tons > of problems soon because more and more people are faking service dogs just > so they can bring their pet to the store with them. People aren't faking > canes so they can bring them in stores, on planes, in restaurants but they > are faking service animals. > > I have no issues with showing proof when asked. It is just like if someone > wants a benefit say senior discount, military discount, student discount, > disabled line cuts if you chose to use them, I see nothing wrong with > having > to prove you fit that category. There are to many dishonest people. I wish > I > have a card that stated I was legally blind provided by the ADA or > something. > > I had no issue showing my id card from Guide Dogs when asked. I was asked > on > several occasions because I have usable vision so people thought he was not > a real guide dog. > > It's just like people who have handicapped placards they give you an id, > well a slip of paper, that verifies you are entitled to the placard and you > have to show it if asked. > > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Joe wrote: > > Suzanne, > > What places are requiring proof of vaccines for dogs? Showing your ID for a > credit card transaction is done so for security purposes, not for the > purposes of establishing legitimacy. Yes, there are people who will try to > abuse the system, but these are far and few between. Having owned a guide > dog for more than seven years, I would say people already face enough > hurdles without adding to the burden of showing more proof than what the > law > requires. If you're going to follow that logic, we may as well bring along > proof that our canes are canes and not weapons since canes are more readily > available than fake ID cards for service animals. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > Germano > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 4:35 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > When people bring dogs to any event dogs are welcome they must show proof > of > vaccines and registration. I don't feel just because a dog is a guide dog > they should be exempt from proving their shots are up to date. I guess for > me it would not be a big deal and yes I had a guide dog in the past. > > I have a dog that cannot have a rabies shot due to a medical condition > there > fore I can not bring him to any event dogs are allowed that requires proof > of registration this includes even things like many boarding places. > > Some things are worth fighting for like equal access to course materials > but > for me showing my dog is up to date on vaccines is not something I think is > an issue to fight. > > Personally as a blind person I think people SHOULD have to prove their > service animal is certified not just the two ADA questions because anyone > can say their animal is a service animal and make up a need they have. You > can even buy harnesses online and id's saying your dog is a service dog > with > zero proof of any training or any need for a service animal. This is going > to lead to future problems for those who really have proper service dogs. I > had no issue showing my ID card from Guide Dogs when asked. To me it is no > different than showing an id when I use my credit card. > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM, justin williams < > justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > They can't, or at least, they are not supposed too. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > > Littlefield, Tyler > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:05 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > > > Exactly what point? I understand alergies, but how do you justify the > > DS office requesting it? If someone has alergies, there needs to be > > something said to Minh directly. It wouldn't be to hard for her or > > someone else to move across the room or something. > > On 8/31/2013 3:02 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > > > Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! > > > This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and > > horses! > > > What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog > sheds! > > > Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, > > > but > > you get the point! > > > Blessings, Joshua > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin > > > williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM > > > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > > > > > It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > > > Shelton > > > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM > > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and > > > have seen a few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and > otherwise. > > > While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people > > > and the DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any > > > problems and talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I > > > remember regarding the dog came up with housing and had nothing to > > > do > > with > > the DS office. > > > > > > Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this > > > information so long as you're just eating there. If you were > > > working as Julie said things might be different, but if you're just > > > going to get lunch/dinner and the dog is laying down, not sniffing > > > other people's food or otherwise getting into it, I don't even see > > > how this > > would be a true health concern. > > > To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. > > > > > > On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > > >> Hi Minh, > > >> > > >> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus > > >> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with > > >> any information. I was in the dining hall and other food service > > >> areas frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to > > >> work in one of these places, perhaps there would be reason for > > >> these questions, but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. > > >> > > >> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any > > >> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that > > >> not "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a > > >> reason for the information anyway. You should also point out that > > >> under the ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. > > >> > > >> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many > > >> universities about the questions they can ask of students with > > >> service dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. > > >> > > >> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: > > >>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the > > >>> university with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so > > >>> I don't know what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I > > >>> took her into the student union to get meals though. > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > >>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hello all, > > >>>> > > >>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just > > >>>> moved into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide > > >>>> dog. I have a question regarding disability services and the > > >>>> questions they can ask about a service animal. I received a > > >>>> message from my DS office today inquiring whether my guide is all > > >>>> up to dates on her vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back > > >>>> asking about the relevancy of this question because under the > > >>>> ADA, the only two questions public places are allowed to ask are > > >>>> "is the animal a service animal" and "what services do they > > >>>> perfor." The dean replied that every university requires this > > >>>> information of their students with service animals in case dining > > >>>> services need this > > information. > > >>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out > > >>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I > > >>>> do understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel > > >>>> as though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is > > >>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the > > > requirements are different. > > >>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. > > >>>> > > >>>> Cheers, > > >>>> Minh > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the > > >>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it > > >>>> was > > > vanity: > > >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act > > >>>> on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. > > >>>> Lawrence > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > >>>> for > > >>>> nabs-l: > > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > > > >>>> 0g > > >>>> m > > >>>> ail.com > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> nabs-l mailing list > > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > >>> for > > >>> nabs-l: > > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gm > > >>> ai > > >>> l > > >>> .com > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Julie McG > > >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > > >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > > >> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes > > >> for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he > > >> gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not > > >> perish but may have eternal life." > > >> John 3:16 > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > >> for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet1 > > >> 04 > > >> % > > >> 40gmail.com > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > Kaiti > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2 > > > %4 > > > 0gmail > > > .com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pc > > > cu > > > a.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. > > > com > > > > > > -- > > Take care, > > Ty > > http://tds-solutions.net > > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; > > he that dares not reason is a slave. > > Sent from my Toaster (tm). > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > > > 0gmail > > .com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Sun Sep 1 20:06:32 2013 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 15:06:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone Message-ID: <70872C4CFACD455A87789BF738A7F697@Gloria> Hi all, I hope you are well. I am trying to download ring tones to my I-phone and was wondering if someone could help me? I downloaded an app that allows me to download ring tones for free, but when I check my phone in the ring tones tab in settings the ring tones I downloaded are not there. I read in the app that the ring tones should show up in I-tunes, but when I go to downloads, they are not there. How can I download ring tones and transfer them to my phone to be able to find them when I go to settings and go to ring tones? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Gloria From freethaught at gmail.com Sun Sep 1 20:32:11 2013 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 16:32:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> , <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> , <00ee01cea67d$426dfbb0$c749f310$@gmail.com> , <522243B9.5020908@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <8081EA03-D33B-4321-822F-243D93984EBF@gmail.com> hello Josh, Guide dogs are working animals that are handled properly most of the time. Dogs do not tell their handlers when they wish to work. I do not wish to discuss how to be a good dog handler. I will note that there are certain places I would not take dogs with me. This has nothing to do with workload. The more the dog works, the more it is, and the smarter it is because it is sharpening its own skills day after day. Places I would not take the dog with me include the parks, movie theaters, concert halls, and convention. Yes, convention. These are some of my own preferences were I a guy dog user. I have been a dog user, so I think more like one. Guide dogs replace canes. After all, blind people have a choice in what mobility tools they use. One should not forget how to use a cane, so having a spare collapsible one handy is a good idea. It is a good idea for anyone carrying a cane.. What if a car runs over your cane, and you have no spare one. What choice do you have? It's true that bad handlers give guy dog use a bad rap. I wish we all had the courage, and people in leadership would take the initiative to reprimand bad handlers. We cannot tell people what to do. This includes telling people to use their canes instead of dogs. But it is perfectly reasonable to approach, reprimand, and discipline certain people who let their dogs relieve themselves in public indoor places. Believe it or not, even relieving dog can't be controlled by the handler according to bathroom schedules. Frankly, josh's ideas about Nfb policy and philosophy regarding cane and dog use misses the mark. The idea that canes are superior to dogs as mobility tools is not how the NFB approaches the issue. By the way, why does it have to be an issue? I wish dogs versus canes debates could be put aside once and for all, but I will have to continue reading lists and imagine an epic battle of a dog with sword in its mouth swinging at a long telescopic NFB cane. Great idea for a cartoon drawing for the sighted smog you. To be fair to the cane warrior, one should equip the cane with laser, hot fire-breathing things with sharp edges. Antonio On Aug 31, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I wouldn't want my friendship with the individual with the dog to be hendered, because of their dog! > You can't have a conversation with that person from across the room! > Basicly, if you're in a social setting with other students, use a cane, to prevent any problems. > That's how the traditionalists in the NFB thought! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Littlefield, Tyler [tyler at tysdomain.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > What exactly does using a cane have to do with this? How much you work > your dog is up to the person--where did you become an expert on how much > one should work a dog? Also, there are dogs that are easier for people > with alergies (poodles are a good example) because they do not shed. I'm > not for getting rid of all other breeds for poodles, nor should you have > to. It comes down to this: if there is an alergic reaction to dogs, > someone can say something or move--it's that easy. Dogs who do not > stimulate alergic reactions are not really an option. > On 8/31/2013 3:11 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I agree. >> I'm not against service animals, as long as they're hypoallerginic, or else well taken care of. >> This should never replace use of a cane every now and then, because I've seen dogs overworked by their owners, because said owners prefer not to use a cane. >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 2:06 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> I was assuming that the dog is groomed properly. I see what you mean; I may >> have given the owner to much credit, but I am assuming that the grooming is >> good. Most of the college dorms I have stayed in are health risks >> themselves. It is also illegal to not allow the student to carry a service >> animal in public places. Your point is well received Joshua. Most fo the >> well taken of guide dogs that I have seen did not smell, and did not shed >> over much due to proper grooming. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 3:03 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Justin, it's a health risk, more than you know! >> This is coming from someone with severe allergies to Cats, Dogs, and horses! >> What if someone has said allergies, and has a reaction, when a dog sheds! >> Hopefully, the guide dog is groomed propperly, so that's a nonissue, but you >> get the point! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams >> [justin.williams2 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:59 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> It's not a health concern; that's ridiculous. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton >> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 12:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> Hi, >> >> While I don't have a guide dog, I go to a private university and have seen a >> few other service animals on campus, guide dogs and otherwise. >> While I am not privvy to everything that goes on with other people and the >> DS office, (I'd be scared if I was), I have not heard of any problems and >> talked to a guide dog user regularly. The only hitch I remember regarding >> the dog came up with housing and had nothing to do with the DS office. >> >> Logically, I don't see why dining services would even need this information >> so long as you're just eating there. If you were working as Julie said >> things might be different, but if you're just going to get lunch/dinner and >> the dog is laying down, not sniffing other people's food or otherwise >> getting into it, I don't even see how this would be a true health concern. >> To me it really just doesn't make a lot of sense. >> >> On 8/30/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>> Hi Minh, >>> >>> I just graduated from a private university, where I lived on campus >>> all four years. I never had to provide disability services with any >>> information. I was in the dining hall and other food service areas >>> frequently, and no one ever had a problem. If you were to work in one >>> of these places, perhaps there would be reason for these questions, >>> but if you only plan to eat, you don't have to worry. >>> >>> I even stayed in the dorm for a year and never was asked for any >>> information on my dog. So you can certainly tell this person that not >>> "all" universities require this information. This isn't even a reason >>> for the information anyway. You should also point out that under the >>> ADA, this is not a question that can be asked of you. >>> >>> I was told recently that some bad information was provided to many >>> universities about the questions they can ask of students with service >>> dogs. Perhaps this is a result of that. >>> >>> On 8/30/13, Hope Paulos wrote: >>>> I never had to provide this information when I went to the university >>>> with my guide dog. I however didn't live on campus, so I don't know >>>> what the rules are. I never was asked anything when I took her into >>>> the student union to get meals though. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved >>>>> into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I >>>>> have a question regarding disability services and the questions they >>>>> can ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS >>>>> office today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her >>>>> vaccines and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the >>>>> relevancy of this question because under the ADA, the only two >>>>> questions public places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a >>>>> service animal" and "what services do they perfor." The dean replied >>>>> that every university requires this information of their students >>>>> with service animals in case dining services need this information. >>>>> From your knowledge, is this true? I'm just trying to figure out >>>>> what my rights are as a college student with a service animal. I do >>>>> understand there are safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as >>>>> though my guide has nothing to do with the services that DS is >>>>> providing me. Also, I attend a private institution so maybe the >> requirements are different. >>>>> Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Minh >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was >> vanity: >>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gm >>>>> ail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >>> Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >>> Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >>> Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >>> eternal life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. > Sent from my Toaster (tm). > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From freethaught at gmail.com Sun Sep 1 20:43:19 2013 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 16:43:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Minh, I think this issue requires a pick your battles approach. The school official probably shot off the answer that sounded best to them at the time they were writing your email message, and they did not consult any requirements by any school department in order to draft a response. This reason sounded good to them at that time, so they shut off an email to you with that as an excuse. I might treat this as a practice for bigger battles with my dog. Respond with a denial to provide the documentation as requested, and see what the responses. Stand your ground, state the facts, and they will back off. There are enough battles guide dog users must fight, and practicing your technique may come in handy. Smiles. That said, I do not see a big deal with simply providing this documentation someone decided it was reasonable to request. It is important to say they should not require this information, but that they have the right to request it. You on the other hand have the right to deny giving that the documents. You might as well reasoned with people who might be reasonable. They may go to bat for you later if you are discriminated against because of your choice to use a service animal. There is no right way to deal with this issue. That is why you ask, and got lots of opinions, even though 99% of them had nothing to do with your question. These are my thoughts. I hope you go get some practice. Best, Antonio On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:07 PM, minh ha wrote: > Hello all, > > I hope all of your semesters are off to a great start. I just moved > into my dorm yesterday and am settling down with my guide dog. I have > a question regarding disability services and the questions they can > ask about a service animal. I received a message from my DS office > today inquiring whether my guide is all up to dates on her vaccines > and if she is licensed. I wrote back asking about the relevancy of > this question because under the ADA, the only two questions public > places are allowed to ask are "is the animal a service animal" and > "what services do they perfor." The dean replied that every university > requires this information of their students with service animals in > case dining services need this information. From your knowledge, is > this true? I'm just trying to figure out what my rights are as a > college student with a service animal. I do understand there are > safetyconcerns involved, however, I feel as though my guide has > nothing to do with the services that DS is providing me. Also, I > attend a private institution so maybe the requirements are different. > Any information you can give is greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > Minh > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From brailleprincess at gmail.com Sun Sep 1 21:19:44 2013 From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 17:19:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 14 and Windows 8 question Message-ID: Hi all, I recently purchased a windows 8 computer along with ms office 13 and JAWS 14. As someone who has used xp and ms office 2007 for the last several years, Windows 8 is a lot different. I have attempted to google search tips on how to use windows 8 with JAWS 14, but so far I haven’t found anything particularly helpful. If anyone knows of any resources detailing how to use JAWS, MS office 13, and windows 8 effectively that they could pass along I’d really appreciate it! Thanks, Kayla From icewolf2011 at gtwebdesign.us Sun Sep 1 21:36:34 2013 From: icewolf2011 at gtwebdesign.us (Greg Wocher) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 17:36:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 14 and Windows 8 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5223B362.5090201@gtwebdesign.us> Hello, Here is a site with some tutorials in using Windows 8 with JAWS: http://vip.chowo.co.uk/jaws-guides/ Greg Wocher Follow me on Twitter @GWocher On 9/1/2013 5:19 PM, Kayla Weathers wrote: > Hi all, > I recently purchased a windows 8 computer along with ms office 13 and > JAWS 14. As someone who has used xp and ms office 2007 for the last > several years, Windows 8 is a lot different. I have attempted to > google search tips on how to use windows 8 with JAWS 14, but so far I > haven’t found anything particularly helpful. If anyone knows of any > resources detailing how to use JAWS, MS office 13, and windows 8 > effectively that they could pass along I’d really appreciate it! > Thanks, Kayla > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/icewolf2011%40gtwebdesign.us > From ajschwichow at gmail.com Sun Sep 1 21:52:58 2013 From: ajschwichow at gmail.com (Alexa Schwichow) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 16:52:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone In-Reply-To: <70872C4CFACD455A87789BF738A7F697@Gloria> References: <70872C4CFACD455A87789BF738A7F697@Gloria> Message-ID: You have to go to iTunes, and to go to your iPhone on your computer. After you click past all the radio buttons that say stuff like music, Summary, info, etc, you will find a radio button that says apps. You need to press the spacebar to check this button. Then, tab until you hear file sharing. After this, you will find a list of apps that can transfer files between your phone and your computer. Select the ring tone app, tab over, and you will find a list of the files that this application can share with your computer. Select the ring tone And tab to the save as button. Save it in a folder, and then add it to your iTunes library from that folder. This can be done by selecting file greater then add file to library. I hope this helps. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:06 PM, "Gloria G" wrote: > Hi all, > I hope you are well. I am trying to download ring tones to my I-phone and was wondering if someone could help me? I downloaded an app that allows me to download ring tones for free, but when I check my phone in the ring tones tab in settings the ring tones I downloaded are not there. I read in the app that the ring tones should show up in I-tunes, but when I go to downloads, they are not there. How can I download ring tones and transfer them to my phone to be able to find them when I go to settings and go to ring tones? Any suggestions would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Gloria > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ajschwichow%40gmail.com From robin-melvin at comcast.net Sun Sep 1 21:52:39 2013 From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2013 14:52:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net> I presume it is a health question because as I recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was wondering whether or not it is permissible under the ADA guidelines for a college or university to request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I don't SEE the difference between requesting a service/guide dog's vaccination records or a students immunization records especially with all of the concern of contageous diseases such as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just trying to be proactive to protect the staff/student population, who regularly attend/visit their campus of learning, and that is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. Sent From Robin M. At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: >BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is >not the dog's coat which gives the allergic >reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva >consists of allergen which make some people >sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen >and therefore the dog is not the only problem >for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well >cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more >problems for a person with dog allergies then a >dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog >allergies can take medecins but for few people >this do not work, for them it would be a problem >to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none >take this personally but I only want to clear up >things. I live in a country where the Allergic >lobby has a very strong voice which makes it >hard to live with a guide dog here. We get >refused to enter shops, restaurants and >universities because 'a person can get an >allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject >is close to my heart. I understand that it can >be a problem for people with allergies but it is >not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and >she will not be upin people faces. I really >feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult >but I wish it would be more respectful >especially in my own country where it sounds >lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies >which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. >Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : >leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : >http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com Envoyé de mon >iPad Mini >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Sep 1 21:56:06 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 17:56:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 14 and Windows 8 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have ms office 2010; I heard the main difference between it and 2013 is that they added more features. However, the keystroke commands you know should still work such as control c for copy or control s for save. If you're looking for training resources with office 2013 and jaws, I know freedom scientific has paid webinar series on that. It costs some money. If you can afford $29 per series, you can buy them or attend them live in the future. Yes windows 8 is very different. I haven't used it, but heard people find it frustrating. its more visual and there's no start menu even. IMO, it’s a step back in accessibility. Freedom scientific probably has a webinar on windows 8. If I see one I'll let you know. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kayla Weathers Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 5:19 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 14 and Windows 8 question Hi all, I recently purchased a windows 8 computer along with ms office 13 and JAWS 14. As someone who has used xp and ms office 2007 for the last several years, Windows 8 is a lot different. I have attempted to google search tips on how to use windows 8 with JAWS 14, but so far I haven’t found anything particularly helpful. If anyone knows of any resources detailing how to use JAWS, MS office 13, and windows 8 effectively that they could pass along I’d really appreciate it! Thanks, Kayla _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Sun Sep 1 22:08:25 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 18:08:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 14 and Windows 8 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kayla. I just wanted to tell you that here are some notes that my Lighthous instructor gave me when I was having training. Just to let you know, I also have a Windows 8 laptop computer, and JAWS 14. And I'm still having some issues in learning how to use it. Hope you find them helpful. Let me know if you receive them? Thanks and God bless!! Sincerelly, Helga Schreiber -----Original Message----- From: Kayla Weathers Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 5:19 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 14 and Windows 8 question Hi all, I recently purchased a windows 8 computer along with ms office 13 and JAWS 14. As someone who has used xp and ms office 2007 for the last several years, Windows 8 is a lot different. I have attempted to google search tips on how to use windows 8 with JAWS 14, but so far I haven’t found anything particularly helpful. If anyone knows of any resources detailing how to use JAWS, MS office 13, and windows 8 effectively that they could pass along I’d really appreciate it! 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Name: March 15 training outline.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 16944 bytes Desc: not available URL: From i.c.bray at win.net Mon Sep 2 07:12:05 2013 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 03:12:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone References: <70872C4CFACD455A87789BF738A7F697@Gloria> Message-ID: <7B11A7BD25AE4F199DBF0B6D4299CF45@JAWS> Gloria, Good question!!! I have been trying to figure that one out myself. I don't have any apps for downloading ringtones, but I have one I MUST have on my phone in MP3 format. I've tried digging around in itunes to see if I could find the appropriate folder to stuff the file into to push the file over durring a sync, but I am clueless. iTunes and me, see, we are not friends... I digress. Whoose got the goods? LOL! ----- Original Message ----- Ian. From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 4:06 PM Subject: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone > Hi all, > I hope you are well. I am trying to download ring tones to my I-phone and > was wondering if someone could help me? I downloaded an app that allows me > to download ring tones for free, but when I check my phone in the ring > tones tab in settings the ring tones I downloaded are not there. I read in > the app that the ring tones should show up in I-tunes, but when I go to > downloads, they are not there. How can I download ring tones and transfer > them to my phone to be able to find them when I go to settings and go to > ring tones? Any suggestions would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Gloria > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From joshkart12 at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 07:36:52 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 03:36:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone In-Reply-To: <7B11A7BD25AE4F199DBF0B6D4299CF45@JAWS> References: <70872C4CFACD455A87789BF738A7F697@Gloria> <7B11A7BD25AE4F199DBF0B6D4299CF45@JAWS> Message-ID: Good morning, you need to download The files you want to make into ringtones to your computer, and then make sure that the sync Ringtone thing is checked in iTunes by going to the ring tone section of your device and clicking the sync all ring tones checkbox. Then, you've got to go to iTunes, add the file that you want to make into a ring tone into your library, then, when this is done, find that particular file that you just added, open your context menu, and go down to get info. From here, you've got a lot of tabs, but the options tab is the one you should be concerned with here. You want to check the start and end checkboxes and then enter an appropriate time in each field. It should be noted that a ringtone can be no longer than 40 seconds. After you're done with all of that, click okay, and then find the file that you just modified. Then, go to the context menu again and click create AAC version. After this is done, find that version, then again go to the context menu, and click show in explorer. From here, you want to rename the file extension from m4a to m4r. After this is done, you want to find this file, and copy to the clipboard with control+c. Then, you'll need to get back to iTunes with all Cplus tab, because you will be in the default Windows Explorer. From here, go to the ring tones section and paste your M4r file into the tones table. Then, just sync your device and you should be good. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, as I do all of this on a Macintosh now, I haven't done it on Windows in some time. I hope this helps someone. Thanks very much, Josh Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2013, at 3:12 AM, "I. C. Bray" wrote: > Gloria, > > Good question!!! I have been trying to figure that one out myself. I don't have any apps for downloading ringtones, but I have one I MUST have on my phone in MP3 format. > > I've tried digging around in itunes to see if I could find the appropriate folder to stuff the file into to push the file over durring a sync, but I am clueless. > > iTunes and me, see, we are not friends... I digress. > > Whoose got the goods? LOL! > ----- Original Message ----- Ian. > From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 4:06 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone > > >> Hi all, >> I hope you are well. I am trying to download ring tones to my I-phone and was wondering if someone could help me? I downloaded an app that allows me to download ring tones for free, but when I check my phone in the ring tones tab in settings the ring tones I downloaded are not there. I read in the app that the ring tones should show up in I-tunes, but when I go to downloads, they are not there. How can I download ring tones and transfer them to my phone to be able to find them when I go to settings and go to ring tones? Any suggestions would be appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Gloria >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From trising at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 2 15:11:50 2013 From: trising at sbcglobal.net (trising at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 11:11:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] scholarships Message-ID: <1E7851E5AE1C46F88C37530ACB444401@nickPC> National Federation of the Blind of Michigan 20812 Ann Arbor Trail Dearborn Heights, MI 48127 August 8, 2013 To Whom it May Concern: The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan is giving two blind college students scholarships of $500 each. The application is below. Along with submitting all pertinent documents, students must attend all State Convention activities and must have an interview with the scholarship committee. Please distribute this information far and wide to all blind high school seniors and college students that you are in contact with. Sincerely, Larry Posont President National Federation of the Blind of Michigan (313) 271-3058 Email: president.nfb.mi at gmail.com Web page: www.nfbmi.org National Federation of the Blind of Michigan 2013 Scholarship Program The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan is pleased to offer two scholarships in the amount of $500 to outstanding blind students in the state of Michigan. Scholarship winners will be required to attend the entire state convention of the National Federation of the Blind of Michigan, and participate in all activities sponsored by the Michigan Association of Blind Students. This convention will take place October 18-20, 2013 inGrand Rapids, Michigan. All convention expenses including transportation, hotel accommodations, and registration will be provided as part of this scholarship. The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan offers this scholarship as a way to recognize the achievements of blind students in their academic affairs, personal pursuits, and service to their community. Since this scholarship is based on merit, it cannot be taken away from the student as a means to pay for rehabilitation services. If the Bureau of Services for Blind Persons states otherwise, The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan can provide written documentation to back up this statement. The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan is an organization dedicated to creating opportunities that encourage security, equality and opportunity in the lives of blind people throughout the state of Michigan. However, applicants do not need to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind of Michigan to apply for this scholarship. To be eligible for this scholarship, all applicants must: . Be certified as being legally blind; . Be a resident of the state of Michigan; . Be pursuing a full-time postsecondary course of study in the 2013-2014 academic year; . Participate in the entire NFB of Michigan 2013 state convention and all scheduled scholarship activities; and . Submit all application materials by Friday, September 6, 2013. Please make sure all applications are complete. The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan does not accept responsibility for incomplete applications. Each scholarship application will be reviewed by the scholarship committee, and winners will be notified by Friday, September 27, 2013. All decisions made by the scholarship committee are final. NFBMI Scholarship Chairperson Terri Wilcox 2533 Sandalwood Circle Ann Arbor, MI 48105 trising at sbcglobal.net (734)663-4050 National Federation of the Blind of Michigan 2013 Scholarship Application Checklist Please use the following check list to make sure your scholarship application is complete. The scholarship committee is not responsible for notifying you if required information is missing from your application. When submitting your application, make sure to include the following items: 1. Completed 2013 Scholarship Application Form Incomplete application forms will not be considered. Please write a response for each item in the application form. If an item does not apply to you, write "N/A" or "Not Applicable" for fields that do not apply to you. Please send one copy via email as well as one Braille or print copy with all other required documents. 2. NFB of Michigan Interview This interview must be conducted via telephone by the Scholarship Committee of the National Federation of the Blind of Michigan. 3. Two additional letters of recommendation These letters of recommendation should come from professors, teachers, employers, or other members of the community who are qualified to speak on your behalf. A good letter of recommendation should highlight your achievements in and out of the classroom as well as potential leadership skills. Submissions via email are preferred, but print letters will be accepted. 4. Current Transcripts Please include an official copy of the transcript from the institution you are currently attending as well as any other post-secondary institutions you have attended. If you have completed less than 20 credit hours of post-secondary education, please include a copy of your high school transcript. 5. Verification of Blindness All scholarship applicants must be legally blind. Applicants must verify they are legally blind by submitting a letter from a qualified professional such as an optometrist, ophthalmologist, vocational rehabilitation counselor, special education professional, or disability support services office. All scholarship materials must be received by the scholarship committee by Friday, September 6, 2013. Please make sure to allow enough time for us to receive all of the print documents you send to us in the mail by this deadline. If you have any questions about the application process, please contact the scholarship chairperson, Terri Wilcox, via email at trising at sbcglobal.net or via telephone at (734)663-4050. National Federation of the Blind of Michigan 2013 Scholarship Application Form To Apply: Complete the 2013 Scholarship Application Form electronically and email it to, trising at sbcglobal.net. Then mail a Braille or print copy with all required documents to: NFBMI Scholarship Committee Terri Wilcox 2533 Sandalwood Circle Ann Arbor, MI 48105 For Questions: Contact the scholarship chairperson, Terri Wilcox, via email at trising at sbcglobal.net or via telephone at (734)663-4050. Deadline: All documentation must be received on or before September 6, 2013. PART A: DEMOGRAPHIC Information Name: Home address: Cell phone: Home phone: E-mail address: Date of birth: How did you hear about this scholarship program? PART B: HIGH SCHOOL Information Please fill out this section if you have completed less than 20 credit hours of post-secondary education. If this section does not apply to you, please answer "N/A" or "Not Applicable" to these questions. Name and address of high school attended: Cumulative Grade Point Average: PART C: COLLEGE Information Name and address of school you will be attending in the 2013-2014 academic year: Class Standing (e.g. freshman, sophomore, etc.): Cumulative Grade Point Average: Field of Study: Other postsecondary institutions attended along with Grade Point Average: Vocational goal - Describe what you hope to do upon graduation from college: PART D: Essay The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan awards scholarships based on academic excellence, community service, and leadership potential. As you prepare to respond to the following questions, keep in mind that this is your only opportunity to demonstrate your best qualities to the scholarship committee. Since the scholarship committee is made up of successful blind graduates and professionals, we will be interested in the techniques you use to live as an independent blind person. Please limit your responses to 250 words per question. 1. How do you see yourself as a blind person? How do you think others perceive you as a blind person? Do you agree or disagree with the perceptions that other people have about blindness? 2. What qualities do you think makes a good leader, and in what ways have you demonstrated these qualities in your own life? Do you think others would agree or disagree with you? 3. If you could list one accomplishment in your life you wish you could have done better, what would it be, and what did you learn from this experience? 4. How do you actively participate in your community as a blind person? This is your opportunity to share clubs and organizations you belong to on and off campus as well as how you manage to live as a blind person in a sighted world. 5. What two questions would you like to ask the scholarship committee, and why would you like to ask these questions? PART E: CERTIFICATION STATEMENT. By typing my full name and signing below, I confirm that all of the information provided in this scholarship application is true and correct to the best of my knowledge. Signature: Date: From kwakmiso at aol.com Mon Sep 2 17:21:39 2013 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Using Trekker Breeze on College Campus In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D07618053A1F1E-13D4-44D5B@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> Has anyone used GPS device Trekker Breeze on college campus? I am sure it will be different for every campus but I would like to know if it would be an useful and efficient method for acclimating myself to a big campus. Miso Kwak From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 17:39:03 2013 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:39:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Trekker Breeze on College Campus In-Reply-To: <8D07618053A1F1E-13D4-44D5B@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D07618053A1F1E-13D4-44D5B@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <37F5C459-C3DE-49D4-9105-29B552059751@gmail.com> Hello, I have used the breeze on my campus, and find that it works fairly well. Generally, though, once I get used to the campus, I leave the breeze at home. I find it to be useless after I really know my way around. My campus has a lot of streets, though, so ecampus with less traffic around might be a little harder to navigate with the breeze. Just my thoughts. Aleeha Sent from my iPad On Sep 2, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Miso Kwak wrote: > Has anyone used GPS device Trekker Breeze on college campus? > I am sure it will be different for every campus but I would like to know if it would be an useful and efficient method for acclimating myself to a big campus. > Miso Kwak > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From djd76257 at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 18:14:40 2013 From: djd76257 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:14:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] OT: End Your Labor Day Weekend The Djd Invasion Way On Audio Access FM Tonight Message-ID: <1BD17CD781E541A68792CEFFEDF94F74@WildJasmine> Hello Everyone! Today can't exactly be the happiest of days for you. The long weekend is over. It means the end of summmer is around the corner, and it's time to go back to work. but wait a minute! All is not lost! There's still one thing taking place tonight that's sure to make you smile. David Ddunphy is ready to take to the Audio Access FM and ACB Radio Interactive skies at 8 PM eastern tonight for another thrilling Djd Invasion broadcast. Enjoy a great variety of songs, make some requests if you have any, and join the invasion conversation as you'll get to interact with the dj, hear some great songs, maybe meet some new people if you call in, and maybe more, you just never know! I do promise to make the music and mood upbeat so you can end the vacation with a smile! During the show, you can contact me in one of the following ways: Via skype at audioaccess.fm Via twitter at audioaccessfm or djdrocks Via telephone at 516 324 2552 Or via email at thedjdinvasion at audioaccess.fm And to listen, point those browsers over to http://www.audioaccess.fm/listen and join me for a night of fun at 8 PM eastern. Hope to see you there! >From David Dunphy From annajee82 at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 18:27:32 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:27:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Trekker Breeze on College Campus In-Reply-To: <37F5C459-C3DE-49D4-9105-29B552059751@gmail.com> References: <8D07618053A1F1E-13D4-44D5B@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> <37F5C459-C3DE-49D4-9105-29B552059751@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9291DB50-3FF7-4D57-9732-426C647C6FF8@gmail.com> What is trekker breeze? Anna E Givens On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > Hello, > I have used the breeze on my campus, and find that it works fairly well. Generally, though, once I get used to the campus, I leave the breeze at home. I find it to be useless after I really know my way around. My campus has a lot of streets, though, so ecampus with less traffic around might be a little harder to navigate with the breeze. Just my thoughts. > Aleeha > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 2, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Miso Kwak wrote: > >> Has anyone used GPS device Trekker Breeze on college campus? >> I am sure it will be different for every campus but I would like to know if it would be an useful and efficient method for acclimating myself to a big campus. >> Miso Kwak >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From kobycox at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 18:30:11 2013 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 13:30:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Trekker Breeze on College Campus In-Reply-To: <9291DB50-3FF7-4D57-9732-426C647C6FF8@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's a GPS system that HumanWare makes. Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 1:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using Trekker Breeze on College Campus What is trekker breeze? Anna E Givens On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > Hello, > I have used the breeze on my campus, and find that it works fairly well. Generally, though, once I get used to the campus, I leave the breeze at home. I find it to be useless after I really know my way around. My campus has a lot of streets, though, so ecampus with less traffic around might be a little harder to navigate with the breeze. Just my thoughts. > Aleeha > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 2, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Miso Kwak wrote: > >> Has anyone used GPS device Trekker Breeze on college campus? >> I am sure it will be different for every campus but I would like to know if it would be an useful and efficient method for acclimating myself to a big campus. >> Miso Kwak >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40g mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 18:32:06 2013 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:32:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Trekker Breeze on College Campus In-Reply-To: <9291DB50-3FF7-4D57-9732-426C647C6FF8@gmail.com> References: <8D07618053A1F1E-13D4-44D5B@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> <37F5C459-C3DE-49D4-9105-29B552059751@gmail.com> <9291DB50-3FF7-4D57-9732-426C647C6FF8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9D3F45E0-257C-4727-971D-DED23EB98260@gmail.com> Hello, It is a talking GPS unit made by Humanware. It is a standalone unit with its own maps. I find it to be very useful. Sent from my iPad On Sep 2, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > What is trekker breeze? > > Anna E Givens > > On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > >> Hello, >> I have used the breeze on my campus, and find that it works fairly well. Generally, though, once I get used to the campus, I leave the breeze at home. I find it to be useless after I really know my way around. My campus has a lot of streets, though, so ecampus with less traffic around might be a little harder to navigate with the breeze. Just my thoughts. >> Aleeha >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 2, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Miso Kwak wrote: >> >>> Has anyone used GPS device Trekker Breeze on college campus? >>> I am sure it will be different for every campus but I would like to know if it would be an useful and efficient method for acclimating myself to a big campus. >>> Miso Kwak >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From kwakmiso at aol.com Mon Sep 2 18:32:48 2013 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Using Trekker Breeze on College Campus In-Reply-To: <9291DB50-3FF7-4D57-9732-426C647C6FF8@gmail.com> References: <9291DB50-3FF7-4D57-9732-426C647C6FF8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D07621F5841919-13D4-45265@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com> Thank you Aleeha. I have used the device only a short time but I noticed that it doesn't work the best when it identifies areas as open areas... I think I will have to experiement then. Anna, it's a hand held GPS device manufactured by Humanware. Miso Kwak -----Original Message----- From: Anna Givens To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 11:28 am Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using Trekker Breeze on College Campus What is trekker breeze? Anna E Givens On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > Hello, > I have used the breeze on my campus, and find that it works fairly well. Generally, though, once I get used to the campus, I leave the breeze at home. I find it to be useless after I really know my way around. My campus has a lot of streets, though, so ecampus with less traffic around might be a little harder to navigate with the breeze. Just my thoughts. > Aleeha > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 2, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Miso Kwak wrote: > >> Has anyone used GPS device Trekker Breeze on college campus? >> I am sure it will be different for every campus but I would like to know if it would be an useful and efficient method for acclimating myself to a big campus. >> Miso Kwak >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com From jty727 at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 18:49:06 2013 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:49:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Printers In-Reply-To: <5122AC56.7060208@pcdesk.net> References: <5122AC56.7060208@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: Hello: Do you know if the MF4350D is compatible with Kurzweil? This device sounded interesting, but I wasn't sure if it would work with using kurzweil. Thanks as always, Justin On 2/18/13, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: > Steve, > Oh no, not trying to convince. I have a policy against doing that unless > asked to do so because of how combative people can get. I wrote the > message because you had a few "not sure about this" types of sentences, > so I was trying to fill in the blanks if I could since I'd just done the > price calculations in the past couple months. > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From kaybaycar at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 19:39:46 2013 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 14:39:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi all, First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know plenty of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, what would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it is illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or not this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, for example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but much of the time they are uncalled for. I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at convention. I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) And it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. Yes, dog users still have to use canes some of the time. My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean, the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with allergies. On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: > I presume it is a health question because as I > recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was > wondering whether or not it is permissible under > the ADA guidelines for a college or university to > request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. > > I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I > don't SEE the difference between requesting a > service/guide dog's vaccination records or a > students immunization records especially with > all of the concern of contageous diseases such > as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just > trying to be proactive to protect the > staff/student population, who regularly > attend/visit their campus of learning, and that > is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. > > Sent From Robin M. > > At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: >>BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is >>not the dog's coat which gives the allergic >>reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva >>consists of allergen which make some people >>sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen >>and therefore the dog is not the only problem >>for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well >>cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more >>problems for a person with dog allergies then a >>dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog >>allergies can take medecins but for few people >>this do not work, for them it would be a problem >>to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none >>take this personally but I only want to clear up >>things. I live in a country where the Allergic >>lobby has a very strong voice which makes it >>hard to live with a guide dog here. We get >>refused to enter shops, restaurants and >>universities because 'a person can get an >>allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject >>is close to my heart. I understand that it can >>be a problem for people with allergies but it is >>not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and >>she will not be upin people faces. I really >>feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult >>but I wish it would be more respectful >>especially in my own country where it sounds >>lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies >>which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. >>Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : >>leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : >>http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com Envoyé de mon >>iPad Mini >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 20:55:52 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:55:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks Julie for eloquently summing up everything I wanted to say regarding this issue. Like I said in my original post, this request is not coming from the office of residential life, which I have worked with throughout the summer to find the right suite of rooms for me. If housing had requested this information from me, I would definitely be willing to provide it even though I know I don't have to. But as the request is coming from the DS office, I feel like I have to exercise my rights as a guide dog handler as well as a student. perhaps it would be easier for me just to "knuckle under" and give them what they want, but this situation just rubs me the wrong way. In any case, I'll see wat happens from here. Thanks to all that substantively contributed. Cheers, Minh On 9/2/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates > things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an > access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know plenty > of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be > able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, what > would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to > make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? > > As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus > housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it is > illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health > records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or not > this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least > for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So > are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the > service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations > and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, > apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. > > I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take > a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, for > example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I > understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also > not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We > guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and > what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but > much of the time they are uncalled for. > > I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of > us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I > have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog > ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only > human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next > time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog > has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at > convention. > > I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for > the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take > charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) And > it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses > cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. Yes, > dog users still have to use canes some of the time. > > My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for > the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty > or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend > to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean, > the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with > allergies. > > > > On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: >> I presume it is a health question because as I >> recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was >> wondering whether or not it is permissible under >> the ADA guidelines for a college or university to >> request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. >> >> I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I >> don't SEE the difference between requesting a >> service/guide dog's vaccination records or a >> students immunization records especially with >> all of the concern of contageous diseases such >> as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just >> trying to be proactive to protect the >> staff/student population, who regularly >> attend/visit their campus of learning, and that >> is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. >> >> Sent From Robin M. >> >> At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: >>>BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is >>>not the dog's coat which gives the allergic >>>reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva >>>consists of allergen which make some people >>>sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen >>>and therefore the dog is not the only problem >>>for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well >>>cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more >>>problems for a person with dog allergies then a >>>dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog >>>allergies can take medecins but for few people >>>this do not work, for them it would be a problem >>>to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none >>>take this personally but I only want to clear up >>>things. I live in a country where the Allergic >>>lobby has a very strong voice which makes it >>>hard to live with a guide dog here. We get >>>refused to enter shops, restaurants and >>>universities because 'a person can get an >>>allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject >>>is close to my heart. I understand that it can >>>be a problem for people with allergies but it is >>>not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and >>>she will not be upin people faces. I really >>>feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult >>>but I wish it would be more respectful >>>especially in my own country where it sounds >>>lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies >>>which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. >>>Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : >>>leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : >>>http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com Envoyé de mon >>>iPad Mini >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>your account info for nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Sep 2 20:58:25 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 16:58:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005e01cea81f$2b4a3860$81dea920$@gmail.com> Absolutely; no knuckling under. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 4:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs Thanks Julie for eloquently summing up everything I wanted to say regarding this issue. Like I said in my original post, this request is not coming from the office of residential life, which I have worked with throughout the summer to find the right suite of rooms for me. If housing had requested this information from me, I would definitely be willing to provide it even though I know I don't have to. But as the request is coming from the DS office, I feel like I have to exercise my rights as a guide dog handler as well as a student. perhaps it would be easier for me just to "knuckle under" and give them what they want, but this situation just rubs me the wrong way. In any case, I'll see wat happens from here. Thanks to all that substantively contributed. Cheers, Minh On 9/2/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates > things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an > access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know plenty > of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be > able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, what > would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to > make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? > > As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus > housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it is > illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health > records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or not > this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least > for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So > are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the > service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations > and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, > apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. > > I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take > a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, for > example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I > understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also > not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We > guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and > what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but > much of the time they are uncalled for. > > I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of > us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I > have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog > ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only > human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next > time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog > has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at > convention. > > I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for > the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take > charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) And > it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses > cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. Yes, > dog users still have to use canes some of the time. > > My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for > the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty > or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend > to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean, > the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with > allergies. > > > > On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: >> I presume it is a health question because as I recall the initial >> EMAIL post to this list was wondering whether or not it is >> permissible under the ADA guidelines for a college or university to >> request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. >> >> I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I don't SEE the >> difference between requesting a service/guide dog's vaccination >> records or a students immunization records especially with all of >> the concern of contageous diseases such as the flu. They are, in my >> humble opinion, just trying to be proactive to protect the >> staff/student population, who regularly attend/visit their campus of >> learning, and that is what, in my EYES makes it a health >> concern/issue. >> >> Sent From Robin M. >> >> At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: >>>BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is not the dog's coat >>>which gives the allergic reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva >>>consists of allergen which make some people sick. Actually, every dog >>>owner carry allergen and therefore the dog is not the only problem >>>for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well cared of, bathed and >>>gromed do not cause more problems for a person with dog allergies >>>then a dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog allergies can >>>take medecins but for few people this do not work, for them it would >>>be a problem to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none take this >>>personally but I only want to clear up things. I live in a country >>>where the Allergic lobby has a very strong voice which makes it hard >>>to live with a guide dog here. We get refused to enter shops, >>>restaurants and universities because 'a person can get an allergic >>>attack'. Okay, therefore this subject is close to my heart. I >>>understand that it can be a problem for people with allergies but it >>>is not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and she will not be >>>upin people faces. I really feel for Joshua and others, it must be >>>difficult but I wish it would be more respectful especially in my own >>>country where it sounds lile my dog would kill people with dog >>>allergies which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. >>>Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : >>>leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : >>>http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com Envoyé de mon iPad Mini >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40co >>>mcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only > Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have > eternal life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail > .com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From abunchoflettersandnumbers at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 01:36:31 2013 From: abunchoflettersandnumbers at gmail.com (Ashley Allen) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:36:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all! Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new to this group and am a university student this year after transferring from community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic amblyopia. I still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily getting worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. My opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage recently as I am steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to drive, with restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that I may familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on campus...I tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still drive? What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid semester? I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, as I want to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be appreciated. Ashley From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 01:48:53 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 18:48:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use Message-ID: <52254006.252dec0a.28d9.fffffac7@mx.google.com> Ashley, if you're steadily losing your vision, familiarizing yourself with the use of a cane will be very helpful. It will make things less difficult for you when you no longer have enough vision to drive, and it will make it easier for you to navigate campus without having to depend on tiny signs you can't read. However, if you decide to begin learning cane use, I believe it is important to have an O&M (orientation and mobility) teacher help you learn proper techniques. I wish you the best of luck. Yours sincerely, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Allen References: <52254006.252dec0a.28d9.fffffac7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8D076605D524486-EF0-448C7@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com> I strongly agree with Sophie's point. I do not think you would have to necessarily notify your school's disabilities office about your transition to cane because it would not be a big change for your classes or accessing facilities on the campus. If you are a client of your state department of rehab, yiou probably can ask them to provide you with an orientation and mobility instructor, so that you can learn proper techniques for using the white cane. Also, you might want to consider NFB training centers in a long run. Best wishes Miso -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use Ashley, if you're steadily losing your vision, familiarizing yourself with the use of a cane will be very helpful. It will make things less difficult for you when you no longer have enough vision to drive, and it will make it easier for you to navigate campus without having to depend on tiny signs you can't read. However, if you decide to begin learning cane use, I believe it is important to have an O&M (orientation and mobility) teacher help you learn proper techniques. I wish you the best of luck. Yours sincerely, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Allen References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net> Message-ID: What does well behaved dogs have to do with properly certified service animals. I should not be able to take my German Shepherd into a store just because he is well behaved and I am blind if he is not trained to be a guide dog. I would love to bring my dogs everywhere but they are not trained as guide dogs. I believe that service dogs should have to be properly trained and certified by an agency otherwise everyone will just bring pets into stores and claim they are service dogs. I have seen several dogs in stores recently with nothing on them indicating they are service animals but becausee they are small no one says anything. I bet if I brought my shepherd into costco someone would say something about it. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates > things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an > access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know plenty > of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be > able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, what > would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to > make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? > > As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus > housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it is > illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health > records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or not > this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least > for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So > are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the > service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations > and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, > apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. > > I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take > a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, for > example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I > understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also > not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We > guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and > what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but > much of the time they are uncalled for. > > I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of > us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I > have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog > ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only > human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next > time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog > has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at > convention. > > I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for > the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take > charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) And > it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses > cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. Yes, > dog users still have to use canes some of the time. > > My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for > the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty > or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend > to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean, > the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with > allergies. > > > > On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: > > I presume it is a health question because as I > > recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was > > wondering whether or not it is permissible under > > the ADA guidelines for a college or university to > > request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. > > > > I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I > > don't SEE the difference between requesting a > > service/guide dog's vaccination records or a > > students immunization records especially with > > all of the concern of contageous diseases such > > as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just > > trying to be proactive to protect the > > staff/student population, who regularly > > attend/visit their campus of learning, and that > > is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. > > > > Sent From Robin M. > > > > At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: > >>BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is > >>not the dog's coat which gives the allergic > >>reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva > >>consists of allergen which make some people > >>sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen > >>and therefore the dog is not the only problem > >>for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well > >>cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more > >>problems for a person with dog allergies then a > >>dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog > >>allergies can take medecins but for few people > >>this do not work, for them it would be a problem > >>to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none > >>take this personally but I only want to clear up > >>things. I live in a country where the Allergic > >>lobby has a very strong voice which makes it > >>hard to live with a guide dog here. We get > >>refused to enter shops, restaurants and > >>universities because 'a person can get an > >>allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject > >>is close to my heart. I understand that it can > >>be a problem for people with allergies but it is > >>not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and > >>she will not be upin people faces. I really > >>feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult > >>but I wish it would be more respectful > >>especially in my own country where it sounds > >>lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies > >>which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. > >>Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : > >>leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : > >>http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com Envoyé de mon > >>iPad Mini > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > >>your account info for nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 02:02:07 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 19:02:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ashley, First of all, welcome to the list! I am glad that you have found it as it is a great place to ask questions and share ideas. As you probably noticed, this is the NABS list. NABS stands for the National Association of Blind Students. We are a division in the National Federation of the Blind that naturally is made up of blind students and interested parties. I am the secretary and serve on the board with 8 other people, and we would love to answer any questions that you have about blindness and the NFB. Furthermore, if you would like to identify where you are from in an email offlist, I can connect you to students in your area if you are interested. I think it is great that your opthamologist is encouraging you to use a cane. It can be a great identification tool if you are asking for help, but it will also be a great tool to help you find your way around. Anything that you can do to prepare for more vision loss ahead of time will only make your transition easier. Using a cane will make you more noticeable, and people may be curious and ask questions, but I think that adjusting to using new tools now will maximize their usefulness to you as you transition. I think it is great that you are going to get in touch with state resources for blind people. The NFB does have a free white cane program though, so you can get a cane and try it out for free! Just go to www.nfb.org and click on the link "request a free white cane." Generally, I use a cane that is the height of somewhere between my chin and my nose. The faster you walk, the more advantageous a longer cane will be fore you so you can clear more area in front of you at a time. I am sure that you will be able to speak with an O&M instructor, someone who teaches blind people how to travel with a cane, when you get in touch with your state's resources. But the NFB operates 3 training centers for blind people who employ O&M instructors. I have several friends who teach cane travel and who teach at these and other state centers who I would be happy to get you in touch with if you are interested. Just some background about me. I was born with a tiny bit of vision and was able to see colors and objects if they were very close to me. I was staunchly against using my cane. However, as high school progressed, my vision deteriorated. At one point, my teacher who converted my materials into braille came up to me and told her that the vice principal said that if I did not start to use my cane, I would start to get in trouble. She mentioned that he wanted to tell me but that she thought it would be easier if she told me, and I am thankful for that. It was a huge transition for me. I was embarrassed that I was on the verge of getting punished. I was a straight A student who never got in trouble and teachers loved me. But I was completely ignoring an essential component of being an independent person and that was using a cane and confidently navigating my environment. I wish that I had gone through this much earlier in my life. I missed out on years of being confident in who I was because I was stubborn and had negative attitudes about my life and blindness. So I really believe that if you tackle the challenges of transitioning to using the tools that blind people use , you are carving a much smoother path for yourself. I think it is great that you are on the list. We have a lot of members who have been through similar transitions and who would love to talk to you and support you. Cindy On 9/2/13, Ashley Allen wrote: > Hi all! > > Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new to this > group and am a university student this year after transferring from > community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic amblyopia. I > still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily getting > worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. My > opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage recently as I am > steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to drive, with > restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that I may > familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on campus...I > tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... > > Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still drive? > What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid semester? > > I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, as I want > to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From tyler at tysdomain.com Tue Sep 3 02:04:30 2013 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 22:04:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net> Message-ID: <522543AE.6090706@tysdomain.com> You keep pushing this verification of service dogs like it's a solution to the fake service dogs issue. It might be one solution or maybe a partial solution, but what do you propose for owner-trained dogs? Those dogs, who by your account of what should be allowed and what shouldn't wouldn't be "properly trained" and certified? On 9/2/2013 10:00 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > What does well behaved dogs have to do with properly certified service > animals. I should not be able to take my German Shepherd into a store just > because he is well behaved and I am blind if he is not trained to be a > guide dog. I would love to bring my dogs everywhere but they are not > trained as guide dogs. I believe that service dogs should have to be > properly trained and certified by an agency otherwise everyone will just > bring pets into stores and claim they are service dogs. > > I have seen several dogs in stores recently with nothing on them indicating > they are service animals but becausee they are small no one says anything. > I bet if I brought my shepherd into costco someone would say something > about it. > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Julie McGinnity wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates >> things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an >> access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know plenty >> of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be >> able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, what >> would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to >> make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? >> >> As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus >> housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it is >> illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health >> records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or not >> this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least >> for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So >> are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the >> service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations >> and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, >> apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. >> >> I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take >> a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, for >> example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I >> understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also >> not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We >> guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and >> what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but >> much of the time they are uncalled for. >> >> I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of >> us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I >> have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog >> ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only >> human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next >> time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog >> has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at >> convention. >> >> I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for >> the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take >> charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) And >> it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses >> cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. Yes, >> dog users still have to use canes some of the time. >> >> My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for >> the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty >> or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend >> to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean, >> the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with >> allergies. >> >> >> >> On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: >>> I presume it is a health question because as I >>> recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was >>> wondering whether or not it is permissible under >>> the ADA guidelines for a college or university to >>> request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. >>> >>> I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I >>> don't SEE the difference between requesting a >>> service/guide dog's vaccination records or a >>> students immunization records especially with >>> all of the concern of contageous diseases such >>> as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just >>> trying to be proactive to protect the >>> staff/student population, who regularly >>> attend/visit their campus of learning, and that >>> is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. >>> >>> Sent From Robin M. >>> >>> At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: >>>> BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is >>>> not the dog's coat which gives the allergic >>>> reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva >>>> consists of allergen which make some people >>>> sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen >>>> and therefore the dog is not the only problem >>>> for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well >>>> cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more >>>> problems for a person with dog allergies then a >>>> dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog >>>> allergies can take medecins but for few people >>>> this do not work, for them it would be a problem >>>> to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none >>>> take this personally but I only want to clear up >>>> things. I live in a country where the Allergic >>>> lobby has a very strong voice which makes it >>>> hard to live with a guide dog here. We get >>>> refused to enter shops, restaurants and >>>> universities because 'a person can get an >>>> allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject >>>> is close to my heart. I understand that it can >>>> be a problem for people with allergies but it is >>>> not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and >>>> she will not be upin people faces. I really >>>> feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult >>>> but I wish it would be more respectful >>>> especially in my own country where it sounds >>>> lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies >>>> which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. >>>> Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : >>>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : >>>> http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com Envoyé de mon >>>> iPad Mini >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>> your account info for nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >> life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Tue Sep 3 02:13:42 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 02:13:42 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Ashley! First of all, welcome! Yes, it's appropriate! Before I did anymore schooling, I'd visit an NFB training center! I'll go into details later, off list. Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Allen [abunchoflettersandnumbers at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 8:36 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use Hi all! Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new to this group and am a university student this year after transferring from community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic amblyopia. I still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily getting worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. My opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage recently as I am steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to drive, with restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that I may familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on campus...I tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still drive? What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid semester? I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, as I want to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be appreciated. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From louvins at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 02:28:20 2013 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 21:28:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ashley. Glad to have you on the list. I agree with a lot of what has been said by others. As a blind person who uses a cane at college, I can tell you from personal experience, the sooner you learn how to use it, the better off you'll be. I am so glad, that you aren't afraid to try the transition to using a cane. I know that when I began attending my local community college, I did have a cane, but I didn't use it very much. Constantly, I would rely on other students to takeme to my classes and different places on campus. It took me a few years of getting help from people before I finally realized that I needed to learn the routes to my classes. I found that once I learned how to get to my classes, that I could go to the places on campus that were of interest to me such as the library, the student center, and different classroom buildings. If you as either a visually impaired or blind person learn how to get around on your campus or university, it will be great. You will be able to go wherever you want to go, and whenever you want to go somewhere, you can just go. You won't have to try and find someone to help you, or have to wait around for somone to help you. Being independent on your own, or being dependent on others, is a choice we all much make as blind people of any age. Good luck. On 9/2/13, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Hi Ashley, > > First of all, welcome to the list! I am glad that you have found it as > it is a great place to ask questions and share ideas. As you probably > noticed, this is the NABS list. NABS stands for the National > Association of Blind Students. We are a division in the National > Federation of the Blind that naturally is made up of blind students > and interested parties. I am the secretary and serve on the board with > 8 other people, and we would love to answer any questions that you > have about blindness and the NFB. Furthermore, if you would like to > identify where you are from in an email offlist, I can connect you to > students in your area if you are interested. > > I think it is great that your opthamologist is encouraging you to use > a cane. It can be a great identification tool if you are asking for > help, but it will also be a great tool to help you find your way > around. Anything that you can do to prepare for more vision loss ahead > of time will only make your transition easier. Using a cane will make > you more noticeable, and people may be curious and ask questions, but > I think that adjusting to using new tools now will maximize their > usefulness to you as you transition. > > I think it is great that you are going to get in touch with state > resources for blind people. The NFB does have a free white cane > program though, so you can get a cane and try it out for free! Just go > to www.nfb.org and click on the link "request a free white cane." > Generally, I use a cane that is the height of somewhere between my > chin and my nose. The faster you walk, the more advantageous a longer > cane will be fore you so you can clear more area in front of you at a > time. I am sure that you will be able to speak with an O&M instructor, > someone who teaches blind people how to travel with a cane, when you > get in touch with your state's resources. But the NFB operates 3 > training centers for blind people who employ O&M instructors. I have > several friends who teach cane travel and who teach at these and other > state centers who I would be happy to get you in touch with if you are > interested. > > Just some background about me. I was born with a tiny bit of vision > and was able to see colors and objects if they were very close to me. > I was staunchly against using my cane. However, as high school > progressed, my vision deteriorated. At one point, my teacher who > converted my materials into braille came up to me and told her that > the vice principal said that if I did not start to use my cane, I > would start to get in trouble. She mentioned that he wanted to tell me > but that she thought it would be easier if she told me, and I am > thankful for that. It was a huge transition for me. I was embarrassed > that I was on the verge of getting punished. I was a straight A > student who never got in trouble and teachers loved me. But I was > completely ignoring an essential component of being an independent > person and that was using a cane and confidently navigating my > environment. I wish that I had gone through this much earlier in my > life. I missed out on years of being confident in who I was because I > was stubborn and had negative attitudes about my life and blindness. > So I really believe that if you tackle the challenges of transitioning > to using the tools that blind people use , you are carving a much > smoother path for yourself. > > I think it is great that you are on the list. We have a lot of members > who have been through similar transitions and who would love to talk > to you and support you. > > Cindy > > On 9/2/13, Ashley Allen wrote: >> Hi all! >> >> Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new to this >> group and am a university student this year after transferring from >> community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic amblyopia. >> I >> still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily getting >> worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. My >> opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage recently as I >> am >> steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to drive, >> with >> restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that I may >> familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on >> campus...I >> tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... >> >> Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still drive? >> What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid semester? >> >> I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, as I >> want >> to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be >> appreciated. >> >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 02:43:45 2013 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 22:43:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes Message-ID: <52254b90.41e1320a.48d8.fffff85c@mx.google.com> Hello, I know this subject may have come up before, but I wanted to know what you think. I did try to post it to a jaws-users list, but my posts were not getting through so I'll post it here too. I have had an ipod for the past four years or so but someone else took care of everything for me. Now, I have started exploring itunes using JAWS. I have found it fairly accessible when completing basic tasks such as importing a CD or playing my itunes library, but it seems that itunes does not perform so well when trying to do things like creating a qlaylist. I can click the new qlaylist button, but I cannot actually create a qlaylist. I have found a way to use the itunes store, but it is very time consuming. It takes me 5 minutes to purchase a song from the itunes store because I actually have to do it through a google search. Then once I get to the itunes page, I have to click the view in itunes link from which point I can click the buy button and then go through the steps, but like I said it's a long process. So what I am wondering is: What tricks have you found work for you in using itunes? I am currently running JAWS 14 with itunes 10. There are no scripts for itunes 10, but I could get a script for 11 which would cost me $6.99. Is it worth the money to get the script and just relearn 11 or should I try to learn how to do it without a script with 10? I also have problems with syncing. The issue is that when you sync your ipod, there is a little icon that says something like "safely disconnect ipod." Does JAWS speak this along automatically or is the something I would have to ask a sighted person to do? I am getting tired of having to ask someone to help me every time I want to sync my ipod since I am pretty proficient on the computer to begin with. Anyone who uses JAWS and uses itunes, please share your thoughts, techniques, keystrokes etc you use to help you navigate itunes independently. Thanks, Kelsey Nicolay From dwebster125 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 02:42:25 2013 From: dwebster125 at gmail.com (Dave Webster) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 19:42:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes In-Reply-To: <52254b90.41e1320a.48d8.fffff85c@mx.google.com> References: <52254b90.41e1320a.48d8.fffff85c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000901cea84f$3ba47740$b2ed65c0$@gmail.com> Hi. I'm Dave. What version of jaws do you have? I have 14 and use itunes every single day and have an I pad and it works perfectly. Let me know if you need help. You can email me off list and if you have skype I can help you through there as well. Thanks. Let me know. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:44 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes Hello, I know this subject may have come up before, but I wanted to know what you think. I did try to post it to a jaws-users list, but my posts were not getting through so I'll post it here too. I have had an ipod for the past four years or so but someone else took care of everything for me. Now, I have started exploring itunes using JAWS. I have found it fairly accessible when completing basic tasks such as importing a CD or playing my itunes library, but it seems that itunes does not perform so well when trying to do things like creating a qlaylist. I can click the new qlaylist button, but I cannot actually create a qlaylist. I have found a way to use the itunes store, but it is very time consuming. It takes me 5 minutes to purchase a song from the itunes store because I actually have to do it through a google search. Then once I get to the itunes page, I have to click the view in itunes link from which point I can click the buy button and then go through the steps, but like I said it's a long process. So what I am wondering is: What tricks have you found work for you in using itunes? I am currently running JAWS 14 with itunes 10. There are no scripts for itunes 10, but I could get a script for 11 which would cost me $6.99. Is it worth the money to get the script and just relearn 11 or should I try to learn how to do it without a script with 10? I also have problems with syncing. The issue is that when you sync your ipod, there is a little icon that says something like "safely disconnect ipod." Does JAWS speak this along automatically or is the something I would have to ask a sighted person to do? I am getting tired of having to ask someone to help me every time I want to sync my ipod since I am pretty proficient on the computer to begin with. Anyone who uses JAWS and uses itunes, please share your thoughts, techniques, keystrokes etc you use to help you navigate itunes independently. Thanks, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Tue Sep 3 02:42:57 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 02:42:57 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes In-Reply-To: <52254b90.41e1320a.48d8.fffff85c@mx.google.com> References: <52254b90.41e1320a.48d8.fffff85c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Kelsey, I wouldn't even use Windows products on an Apple device! The IPod should have Voiceover on it, so I'd just use Voiceover, and leave it at that! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kelsey Nicolay [piano.girl0299 at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 9:43 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes Hello, I know this subject may have come up before, but I wanted to know what you think. I did try to post it to a jaws-users list, but my posts were not getting through so I'll post it here too. I have had an ipod for the past four years or so but someone else took care of everything for me. Now, I have started exploring itunes using JAWS. I have found it fairly accessible when completing basic tasks such as importing a CD or playing my itunes library, but it seems that itunes does not perform so well when trying to do things like creating a qlaylist. I can click the new qlaylist button, but I cannot actually create a qlaylist. I have found a way to use the itunes store, but it is very time consuming. It takes me 5 minutes to purchase a song from the itunes store because I actually have to do it through a google search. Then once I get to the itunes page, I have to click the view in itunes link from which point I can click the buy button and then go through the steps, but like I said it's a long process. So what I am wondering is: What tricks have you found work for you in using itunes? I am currently running JAWS 14 with itunes 10. There are no scripts for itunes 10, but I could get a script for 11 which would cost me $6.99. Is it worth the money to get the script and just relearn 11 or should I try to learn how to do it without a script with 10? I also have problems with syncing. The issue is that when you sync your ipod, there is a little icon that says something like "safely disconnect ipod." Does JAWS speak this along automatically or is the something I would have to ask a sighted person to do? I am getting tired of having to ask someone to help me every time I want to sync my ipod since I am pretty proficient on the computer to begin with. Anyone who uses JAWS and uses itunes, please share your thoughts, techniques, keystrokes etc you use to help you navigate itunes independently. Thanks, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Sep 3 03:06:11 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 23:06:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A73A280A9EA4CCEB34FD5B9ECA7D302@OwnerPC> Ashley, Welcome to the list. What's your major? I'm Ashley as well and I graduated a few years ago from Marymount university with a BA degree in liberal studies; I also went back to school for a writing certificate through the community college because I wanted more education as the economy wasn't right for jobs and I could use more education about writing for business. I also grew up visually impaired with nystagmus as one of my problems but my vision is stable. In childhood I used a cane although I was in elementary school before it was introduced to me. My restricted field of vision made it unsafe for me to just rely on vision only and fortunately professionals realized this all be it a little late though. I was glad to learn blindness skills because it was helpful and many low vision students don't get these services. Anyway, I hope you can use audio books in college because reading all that small print, even magnified, will take forever, and it will be fatiguing especially if the nystagmus kicks in. If you do not already have it, I suggest signing up for Learning ally, a source of audio texts and novels, that you can get many of your books through. They are readable on your computer or a portable player through Humanware if you buy that or even readable on some smart phones Anyway to your question. Yes, I'd suggest using a cane. You don't have to tell the school disability office til you start using it if you tell them at all. This decision has no baring on class accomodations and how you perform in school. So really, disability services has no say in your choice to use a mobility aid. You probably want to walk familiar areas with it first such as your neighborhood if it has sidewalks. You should also get training from an orientation and mobility, O&M, specialist too. State services should be able to help with that. However, budgets are being cut back, so you might be on a waiting list for services. If this is the case, you might see if there is a blindness nonprofit in the area. There are many lighthouses for the blind providing services. Some examples of nonprofits are these. In MA, there is the carroll center. In Ohio, there's cleveland sight center. In NC, there is the Metrolina association for the blind and in GA there is a handful of places such as the GA center for the visually impaired and the savanna association for the blind. As you use the cane, or even without it, try and pay more attention to other senses. You can get clues about the environment by the scents in the air. You can use textures as well. Slopes may also be clues. Tactile landmarks might be things like utility poles, driveways or the absence or presence of a grassline by the sidewalk. I sure hope you can get O&M because a good instructor will help you learn cane skills and travel safely. NFB believes in training students nonvisually with sleepshades at their centers; they think that removing the distraction of vision may aid in training the other senses. Most O&M instructors will train you using your residual vision. I think there's benefits to both approaches. It depends on what you are ready for. Your O&M instructor will combine all clues and landmarks to help you get around using all senses. You will use the feedback from the cane to find drop offs and texture changes. You can use your vision to spot large landmarks. If you need to stay oriented, having a mental map in your head of the layout should help. You can associate places with locations; for instance, if you come to a Mcdonalds, you are at a certain intersection. You could probably benefit from using something to magnify signs such as a monocular. A low vision specialist, which is an optometrist specializing in low vision, may be able to recommend such devices. BTW, my vision was so restricted that magnification to travel did not help me, but you have much more vision, so it may help you. You might also try having a map to help with orientation. You can enlarge them on copy machines or print them in larger font from a pc. Good luck. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Allen Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 9:36 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use Hi all! Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new to this group and am a university student this year after transferring from community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic amblyopia. I still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily getting worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. My opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage recently as I am steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to drive, with restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that I may familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on campus...I tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still drive? What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid semester? I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, as I want to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be appreciated. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Sep 3 03:16:07 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 23:16:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes In-Reply-To: <52254b90.41e1320a.48d8.fffff85c@mx.google.com> References: <52254b90.41e1320a.48d8.fffff85c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7ED16BBC52C6470991ED370DCFB10738@OwnerPC> Hi Kelsey, I have the same problems and nice to know I have company. I also had to ask for assistance to sync my ipod for some of the same reasons you raised. I have itunes 11 btw. Script, what script? I have a basic ipod. Which ipod do you have? Joshua, she wants to use windows and itunes so your suggestion wasn't too helpful. Joshua, not all ipods have a wifi connection. This is why she had help setting up her ipod with a windows pc I'm sure. Also, I'm sure she knows about voice over already. The ipod touch has wifi btw but the other ipods that play music and audio books do not. So you have to hook your ipod to the pc and sync your itunes library to it. Kelsey, I can import cds too, and even found out how to play my songs from itunes. But from there, I was confuseed. Its my experience that standard jaws commands to navigate a website such as b for button or x for checkbox do not work on itunes. I cannot down arrow to explore it and I always feel lost on the page as I tab around. Apple should do a webinar on this, how to use assistive tech with itunes on a pc. So I'd be curious too to learn how you can search for and purchase music with jaws. Hope someone has more advice. The only command I know in using itunes is that control P i s pause song. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:43 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes Hello, I know this subject may have come up before, but I wanted to know what you think. I did try to post it to a jaws-users list, but my posts were not getting through so I'll post it here too. I have had an ipod for the past four years or so but someone else took care of everything for me. Now, I have started exploring itunes using JAWS. I have found it fairly accessible when completing basic tasks such as importing a CD or playing my itunes library, but it seems that itunes does not perform so well when trying to do things like creating a qlaylist. I can click the new qlaylist button, but I cannot actually create a qlaylist. I have found a way to use the itunes store, but it is very time consuming. It takes me 5 minutes to purchase a song from the itunes store because I actually have to do it through a google search. Then once I get to the itunes page, I have to click the view in itunes link from which point I can click the buy button and then go through the steps, but like I said it's a long process. So what I am wondering is: What tricks have you found work for you in using itunes? I am currently running JAWS 14 with itunes 10. There are no scripts for itunes 10, but I could get a script for 11 which would cost me $6.99. Is it worth the money to get the script and just relearn 11 or should I try to learn how to do it without a script with 10? I also have problems with syncing. The issue is that when you sync your ipod, there is a little icon that says something like "safely disconnect ipod." Does JAWS speak this along automatically or is the something I would have to ask a sighted person to do? I am getting tired of having to ask someone to help me every time I want to sync my ipod since I am pretty proficient on the computer to begin with. Anyone who uses JAWS and uses itunes, please share your thoughts, techniques, keystrokes etc you use to help you navigate itunes independently. Thanks, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Sep 3 03:24:46 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 23:24:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes In-Reply-To: References: <52254b90.41e1320a.48d8.fffff85c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <22BC0FCFC0E3478FA0051C4C43B6E8A6@OwnerPC> Joshua, Um, I'm sure there is a reason not to use the ipod directly for itunes. Not all ipods have internet. Also, even if she does have the ipod touch which does have wifi ability, she may not have a wireless connection to connect to her home or school internet service provider. Remember, not all places have wireless internet called wifi connections. Certainly not all homes do; many homes are wired only. If you are always surrounded by wifi access, you are quite spoiled. Surprise, surprise. There are places which you cannot get wifi access to hook to your lovely mobile device. At my school, there were several buildings with poor or no wifi access. On top floors, I heard people complain that the signal strength was bad. Although wifi is more common now in chain restaurants, libraries, and stores, many places still do not have this. Anyway, when someone asks a question its for a reason. If there is a need to use the windows version of itunes, I'm sure its got a reason behind it. You work with what device you have with its limitations. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes Kelsey, I wouldn't even use Windows products on an Apple device! The IPod should have Voiceover on it, so I'd just use Voiceover, and leave it at that! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kelsey Nicolay [piano.girl0299 at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 9:43 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes Hello, I know this subject may have come up before, but I wanted to know what you think. I did try to post it to a jaws-users list, but my posts were not getting through so I'll post it here too. I have had an ipod for the past four years or so but someone else took care of everything for me. Now, I have started exploring itunes using JAWS. I have found it fairly accessible when completing basic tasks such as importing a CD or playing my itunes library, but it seems that itunes does not perform so well when trying to do things like creating a qlaylist. I can click the new qlaylist button, but I cannot actually create a qlaylist. I have found a way to use the itunes store, but it is very time consuming. It takes me 5 minutes to purchase a song from the itunes store because I actually have to do it through a google search. Then once I get to the itunes page, I have to click the view in itunes link from which point I can click the buy button and then go through the steps, but like I said it's a long process. So what I am wondering is: What tricks have you found work for you in using itunes? I am currently running JAWS 14 with itunes 10. There are no scripts for itunes 10, but I could get a script for 11 which would cost me $6.99. Is it worth the money to get the script and just relearn 11 or should I try to learn how to do it without a script with 10? I also have problems with syncing. The issue is that when you sync your ipod, there is a little icon that says something like "safely disconnect ipod." Does JAWS speak this along automatically or is the something I would have to ask a sighted person to do? I am getting tired of having to ask someone to help me every time I want to sync my ipod since I am pretty proficient on the computer to begin with. Anyone who uses JAWS and uses itunes, please share your thoughts, techniques, keystrokes etc you use to help you navigate itunes independently. Thanks, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Tue Sep 3 04:14:18 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 22:14:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes In-Reply-To: <7ED16BBC52C6470991ED370DCFB10738@OwnerPC> References: <52254b90.41e1320a.48d8.fffff85c@mx.google.com> <7ED16BBC52C6470991ED370DCFB10738@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <5225621A.8030007@comcast.net> I am wondering myself how to get my icloud downloads off the darned ipod touch and put them into my itunes folder on my computer, but since the library won't sync properly, Idk what to do. BethOn 9/2/2013 9:16 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Kelsey, > I have the same problems and nice to know I have company. > I also had to ask for assistance to sync my ipod for some of the same > reasons you raised. > I have itunes 11 btw. Script, what script? > > I have a basic ipod. Which ipod do you have? > Joshua, she wants to use windows and itunes so your suggestion wasn't > too helpful. > Joshua, not all ipods have a wifi connection. This is why she had help > setting up her ipod with a windows pc I'm sure. > Also, I'm sure she knows about voice over already. > The ipod touch has wifi btw but the other ipods that play music and > audio books do not. > So you have to hook your ipod to the pc and sync your itunes library > to it. > > Kelsey, I can import cds too, and even found out how to play my songs > from itunes. But from there, I was confuseed. > Its my experience that standard jaws commands to navigate a website > such as b for button or x for checkbox do not work on itunes. > I cannot down arrow to explore it and I always feel lost on the page > as I tab around. > Apple should do a webinar on this, how to use assistive tech with > itunes on a pc. > So I'd be curious too to learn how you can search for and purchase > music with jaws. > > Hope someone has more advice. > The only command I know in using itunes is that control P i s pause song. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Nicolay > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:43 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes > > Hello, > I know this subject may have come up before, but I wanted to know > what you think. I did try to post it to a jaws-users list, but > my posts were not getting through so I'll post it here too. I > have had an ipod for the past four years or so but someone else > took care of everything for me. Now, I have started exploring > itunes using JAWS. I have found it fairly accessible when > completing basic tasks such as importing a CD or playing my > itunes library, but it seems that itunes does not perform so well > when trying to do things like creating a qlaylist. I can click > the new qlaylist button, but I cannot actually create a qlaylist. > I have found a way to use the itunes store, but it is very time > consuming. It takes me 5 minutes to purchase a song from the > itunes store because I actually have to do it through a google > search. Then once I get to the itunes page, I have to click the > view in itunes link from which point I can click the buy button > and then go through the steps, but like I said it's a long > process. So what I am wondering is: What tricks have you found > work for you in using itunes? I am currently running JAWS 14 with > itunes 10. There are no scripts for itunes 10, but I could get a > script for 11 which would cost me $6.99. Is it worth the money > to get the script and just relearn 11 or should I try to learn > how to do it without a script with 10? I also have problems with > syncing. The issue is that when you sync your ipod, there is a > little icon that says something like "safely disconnect ipod." > Does JAWS speak this along automatically or is the something I > would have to ask a sighted person to do? I am getting tired of > having to ask someone to help me every time I want to sync my > ipod since I am pretty proficient on the computer to begin with. > Anyone who uses JAWS and uses itunes, please share your thoughts, > techniques, keystrokes etc you use to help you navigate itunes > independently. > Thanks, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > > From annajee82 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 04:45:31 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 23:45:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8DC325FE-AEF2-404E-85F9-55085CF8239D@gmail.com> Hey Ashley, Where are you from? Are you familiar with the NFB? Great questions. I too have a significant amount of sight. I do use a cane, although there are times I walk around without it. As far as using a cane and still being able to drive... I think the answer is simple... If you feel that you might need a cane, even if u are not sure, it is totally appropriate to use a cane some or all of the time. A person uses a cane when they want or need to... That's all there is to that. People may question it, because a llot of people are under the impression that using a cane means you cannot see anything. They are simply misinformed. Transitioning to cane useage mid-semester may also bring up similar questions from curious/misinformed people. But again, that's your thing.... If you need it now or think you might.... You should use it. You do not have to explain to anything to anyone, or you can if you want to. Really it is nobody's business. Aa others have mentioned, there really is no reason to talk to your DSS office at all, unless you just want to. Anyway, I hope you got some good thoughts out of these emails. As for me, I am a junior in college. Althoigh I do have a significant amount of vision and my vision is fairly stable, I have chosen to take a while off school to go an NFB training center, to further my knowledge on how I can be a successful person if I am blind. My last thought is that you should definitely get some kind of instruction on cane usage. Don't just get a cane and start walking around with it.... This truly will do u more harm than good in the long run. Let us know... Anna E Givens On Sep 2, 2013, at 8:36 PM, Ashley Allen wrote: > Hi all! > > Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new to this > group and am a university student this year after transferring from > community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic amblyopia. I > still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily getting > worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. My > opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage recently as I am > steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to drive, with > restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that I may > familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on campus...I > tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... > > Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still drive? > What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid semester? > > I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, as I want > to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Sep 3 04:52:10 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 21:52:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <522543AE.6090706@tysdomain.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net> <522543AE.6090706@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: I did not know anyone can just train their own dog and call it a service dog. So I can train my dog to stop at curbs and other things that my dog from Guide Dog for the Blind dog did and I can then have him legally be a service dog? Never knew this. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > You keep pushing this verification of service dogs like it's a solution to > the fake service dogs issue. It might be one solution or maybe a partial > solution, but what do you propose for owner-trained dogs? Those dogs, who > by your account of what should be allowed and what shouldn't wouldn't be > "properly trained" and certified? > On 9/2/2013 10:00 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > >> What does well behaved dogs have to do with properly certified service >> animals. I should not be able to take my German Shepherd into a store just >> because he is well behaved and I am blind if he is not trained to be a >> guide dog. I would love to bring my dogs everywhere but they are not >> trained as guide dogs. I believe that service dogs should have to be >> properly trained and certified by an agency otherwise everyone will just >> bring pets into stores and claim they are service dogs. >> >> I have seen several dogs in stores recently with nothing on them >> indicating >> they are service animals but becausee they are small no one says anything. >> I bet if I brought my shepherd into costco someone would say something >> about it. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Julie McGinnity > >wrote: >> >> Hi all, >>> >>> First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates >>> things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an >>> access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know plenty >>> of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be >>> able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, what >>> would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to >>> make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? >>> >>> As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus >>> housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it is >>> illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health >>> records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or not >>> this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least >>> for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So >>> are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the >>> service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations >>> and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, >>> apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. >>> >>> I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take >>> a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, for >>> example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I >>> understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also >>> not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We >>> guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and >>> what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but >>> much of the time they are uncalled for. >>> >>> I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of >>> us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I >>> have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog >>> ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only >>> human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next >>> time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog >>> has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at >>> convention. >>> >>> I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for >>> the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take >>> charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) And >>> it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses >>> cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. Yes, >>> dog users still have to use canes some of the time. >>> >>> My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for >>> the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty >>> or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend >>> to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean, >>> the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with >>> allergies. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: >>> >>>> I presume it is a health question because as I >>>> recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was >>>> wondering whether or not it is permissible under >>>> the ADA guidelines for a college or university to >>>> request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. >>>> >>>> I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I >>>> don't SEE the difference between requesting a >>>> service/guide dog's vaccination records or a >>>> students immunization records especially with >>>> all of the concern of contageous diseases such >>>> as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just >>>> trying to be proactive to protect the >>>> staff/student population, who regularly >>>> attend/visit their campus of learning, and that >>>> is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. >>>> >>>> Sent From Robin M. >>>> >>>> At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is >>>>> not the dog's coat which gives the allergic >>>>> reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva >>>>> consists of allergen which make some people >>>>> sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen >>>>> and therefore the dog is not the only problem >>>>> for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well >>>>> cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more >>>>> problems for a person with dog allergies then a >>>>> dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog >>>>> allergies can take medecins but for few people >>>>> this do not work, for them it would be a problem >>>>> to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none >>>>> take this personally but I only want to clear up >>>>> things. I live in a country where the Allergic >>>>> lobby has a very strong voice which makes it >>>>> hard to live with a guide dog here. We get >>>>> refused to enter shops, restaurants and >>>>> universities because 'a person can get an >>>>> allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject >>>>> is close to my heart. I understand that it can >>>>> be a problem for people with allergies but it is >>>>> not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and >>>>> she will not be upin people faces. I really >>>>> feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult >>>>> but I wish it would be more respectful >>>>> especially in my own country where it sounds >>>>> lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies >>>>> which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. >>>>> Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : >>>>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : >>>>> http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.**comEnvoyé de mon >>>>> iPad Mini >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>>> your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> robin-melvin%40comcast.net >>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>> life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> tyler%40tysdomain.com >> > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he > that dares not reason is a slave. > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 04:57:35 2013 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 00:57:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes In-Reply-To: <5225621A.8030007@comcast.net> References: <52254b90.41e1320a.48d8.fffff85c@mx.google.com> <7ED16BBC52C6470991ED370DCFB10738@OwnerPC> <5225621A.8030007@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Kelsey and all, Freedom Scientific made a very informative podcast a few months back on using ITunes 11 with JAWS 14, which contained a number of keyboard shortcuts and accessibility work-arounds that I found extremely helpful. You can search for the podcast using the Podcasts app on your Ipod Touch or just do a general Google search for "using ITunes with JAWS" and it should come up. I do remember them mentioning a JAWS script written specifically for ITunes 11 but they didn't go into much detail. So far, though, I find ITunes 11 sufficiently accessible that I have not felt the need to look into such a purchase. In response to the specific questions Kelsey brought up, I'm able to sync my Ipod Touch with my PC on a daily basis without any sighted assistance. I have ITunes configured so that a sync will take place automatically every time my Ipod is connected to the computer; once syncing is complete, ITunes will make a sound, indicating that it is now safe to disconnect my Ipod. If I tab around a bit I can usually locate the "safe to disconnect" message, but this is generally not necessary because of the sound indicator. I have been able to create new playlists fairly accessible, although it can be a little time-consuming - If you let me know what specific problems you encounter while trying to do this perhaps I could provide more help. Lastly, I do agree that the ITunes store is quite difficult to navigate; this is definitely an area in which Freedom Scientific and Apple need to do more work. I do mostly navigate the store using my Ipod Touch instead of going through ITunes on my PC, but as Ashley mentioned I'm aware that this option is not available to every ITunes user. Hope this helps! Katie On 9/3/13, Beth Taurasi wrote: > I am wondering myself how to get my icloud downloads off the darned ipod > touch and put them into my itunes folder on my computer, but since the > library won't sync properly, Idk what to do. > BethOn 9/2/2013 9:16 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi Kelsey, >> I have the same problems and nice to know I have company. >> I also had to ask for assistance to sync my ipod for some of the same >> reasons you raised. >> I have itunes 11 btw. Script, what script? >> >> I have a basic ipod. Which ipod do you have? >> Joshua, she wants to use windows and itunes so your suggestion wasn't >> too helpful. >> Joshua, not all ipods have a wifi connection. This is why she had help >> setting up her ipod with a windows pc I'm sure. >> Also, I'm sure she knows about voice over already. >> The ipod touch has wifi btw but the other ipods that play music and >> audio books do not. >> So you have to hook your ipod to the pc and sync your itunes library >> to it. >> >> Kelsey, I can import cds too, and even found out how to play my songs >> from itunes. But from there, I was confuseed. >> Its my experience that standard jaws commands to navigate a website >> such as b for button or x for checkbox do not work on itunes. >> I cannot down arrow to explore it and I always feel lost on the page >> as I tab around. >> Apple should do a webinar on this, how to use assistive tech with >> itunes on a pc. >> So I'd be curious too to learn how you can search for and purchase >> music with jaws. >> >> Hope someone has more advice. >> The only command I know in using itunes is that control P i s pause song. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Nicolay >> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:43 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes >> >> Hello, >> I know this subject may have come up before, but I wanted to know >> what you think. I did try to post it to a jaws-users list, but >> my posts were not getting through so I'll post it here too. I >> have had an ipod for the past four years or so but someone else >> took care of everything for me. Now, I have started exploring >> itunes using JAWS. I have found it fairly accessible when >> completing basic tasks such as importing a CD or playing my >> itunes library, but it seems that itunes does not perform so well >> when trying to do things like creating a qlaylist. I can click >> the new qlaylist button, but I cannot actually create a qlaylist. >> I have found a way to use the itunes store, but it is very time >> consuming. It takes me 5 minutes to purchase a song from the >> itunes store because I actually have to do it through a google >> search. Then once I get to the itunes page, I have to click the >> view in itunes link from which point I can click the buy button >> and then go through the steps, but like I said it's a long >> process. So what I am wondering is: What tricks have you found >> work for you in using itunes? I am currently running JAWS 14 with >> itunes 10. There are no scripts for itunes 10, but I could get a >> script for 11 which would cost me $6.99. Is it worth the money >> to get the script and just relearn 11 or should I try to learn >> how to do it without a script with 10? I also have problems with >> syncing. The issue is that when you sync your ipod, there is a >> little icon that says something like "safely disconnect ipod." >> Does JAWS speak this along automatically or is the something I >> would have to ask a sighted person to do? I am getting tired of >> having to ask someone to help me every time I want to sync my >> ipod since I am pretty proficient on the computer to begin with. >> Anyone who uses JAWS and uses itunes, please share your thoughts, >> techniques, keystrokes etc you use to help you navigate itunes >> independently. >> Thanks, >> Kelsey Nicolay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Sep 3 05:03:55 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 01:03:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com><00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net><522543AE.6090706@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: Suzanne, I see you're not going to win the argument with Joe. I see where you're coming from, but if the law says they cannot ask intrusive questions, then the school shouldn't. As for training, you are oversimplifying. The dog has to meet some requirements and I think trainers from the guide dog school come to your home to provide some of this training. You cannot simply give a dog some training and call it a service dog. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 12:52 AM To: tyler at tysdomain.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs I did not know anyone can just train their own dog and call it a service dog. So I can train my dog to stop at curbs and other things that my dog from Guide Dog for the Blind dog did and I can then have him legally be a service dog? Never knew this. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > You keep pushing this verification of service dogs like it's a solution to > the fake service dogs issue. It might be one solution or maybe a partial > solution, but what do you propose for owner-trained dogs? Those dogs, who > by your account of what should be allowed and what shouldn't wouldn't be > "properly trained" and certified? > On 9/2/2013 10:00 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > >> What does well behaved dogs have to do with properly certified service >> animals. I should not be able to take my German Shepherd into a store >> just >> because he is well behaved and I am blind if he is not trained to be a >> guide dog. I would love to bring my dogs everywhere but they are not >> trained as guide dogs. I believe that service dogs should have to be >> properly trained and certified by an agency otherwise everyone will just >> bring pets into stores and claim they are service dogs. >> >> I have seen several dogs in stores recently with nothing on them >> indicating >> they are service animals but becausee they are small no one says >> anything. >> I bet if I brought my shepherd into costco someone would say something >> about it. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Julie McGinnity > >wrote: >> >> Hi all, >>> >>> First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates >>> things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an >>> access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know plenty >>> of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be >>> able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, what >>> would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to >>> make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? >>> >>> As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus >>> housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it is >>> illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health >>> records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or not >>> this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least >>> for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So >>> are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the >>> service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations >>> and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, >>> apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. >>> >>> I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take >>> a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, for >>> example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I >>> understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also >>> not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We >>> guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and >>> what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but >>> much of the time they are uncalled for. >>> >>> I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of >>> us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I >>> have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog >>> ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only >>> human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next >>> time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog >>> has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at >>> convention. >>> >>> I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for >>> the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take >>> charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) And >>> it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses >>> cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. Yes, >>> dog users still have to use canes some of the time. >>> >>> My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for >>> the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty >>> or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend >>> to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean, >>> the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with >>> allergies. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: >>> >>>> I presume it is a health question because as I >>>> recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was >>>> wondering whether or not it is permissible under >>>> the ADA guidelines for a college or university to >>>> request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. >>>> >>>> I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I >>>> don't SEE the difference between requesting a >>>> service/guide dog's vaccination records or a >>>> students immunization records especially with >>>> all of the concern of contageous diseases such >>>> as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just >>>> trying to be proactive to protect the >>>> staff/student population, who regularly >>>> attend/visit their campus of learning, and that >>>> is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. >>>> >>>> Sent From Robin M. >>>> >>>> At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is >>>>> not the dog's coat which gives the allergic >>>>> reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva >>>>> consists of allergen which make some people >>>>> sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen >>>>> and therefore the dog is not the only problem >>>>> for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well >>>>> cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more >>>>> problems for a person with dog allergies then a >>>>> dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog >>>>> allergies can take medecins but for few people >>>>> this do not work, for them it would be a problem >>>>> to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none >>>>> take this personally but I only want to clear up >>>>> things. I live in a country where the Allergic >>>>> lobby has a very strong voice which makes it >>>>> hard to live with a guide dog here. We get >>>>> refused to enter shops, restaurants and >>>>> universities because 'a person can get an >>>>> allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject >>>>> is close to my heart. I understand that it can >>>>> be a problem for people with allergies but it is >>>>> not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and >>>>> she will not be upin people faces. I really >>>>> feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult >>>>> but I wish it would be more respectful >>>>> especially in my own country where it sounds >>>>> lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies >>>>> which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. >>>>> Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : >>>>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : >>>>> http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.**comEnvoyé >>>>> de mon >>>>> iPad Mini >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>>> your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> robin-melvin%40comcast.net >>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>> life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> tyler%40tysdomain.com >> > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he > that dares not reason is a slave. > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Sep 3 05:07:21 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 22:07:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net> <522543AE.6090706@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: I just always thought you had to go to a school like Seeing Eye or Guide dogs for the Blind and I just assumed there was similar programs for other types of service dogs. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Suzanne, > I see you're not going to win the argument with Joe. > I see where you're coming from, but if the law says they cannot ask > intrusive questions, then the school shouldn't. > > As for training, you are oversimplifying. The dog has to meet some > requirements and I think trainers from the guide dog school come to your > home to provide some of this training. > You cannot simply give a dog some training and call it a service dog. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 12:52 AM > To: tyler at tysdomain.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > I did not know anyone can just train their own dog and call it a service > dog. > > So I can train my dog to stop at curbs and other things that my dog from > Guide Dog for the Blind dog did and I can then have him legally be a > service dog? > > Never knew this. > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Littlefield, Tyler >wrote: > > You keep pushing this verification of service dogs like it's a solution to >> the fake service dogs issue. It might be one solution or maybe a partial >> solution, but what do you propose for owner-trained dogs? Those dogs, who >> by your account of what should be allowed and what shouldn't wouldn't be >> "properly trained" and certified? >> On 9/2/2013 10:00 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> >> What does well behaved dogs have to do with properly certified service >>> animals. I should not be able to take my German Shepherd into a store >>> just >>> because he is well behaved and I am blind if he is not trained to be a >>> guide dog. I would love to bring my dogs everywhere but they are not >>> trained as guide dogs. I believe that service dogs should have to be >>> properly trained and certified by an agency otherwise everyone will just >>> bring pets into stores and claim they are service dogs. >>> >>> I have seen several dogs in stores recently with nothing on them >>> indicating >>> they are service animals but becausee they are small no one says >>> anything. >>> I bet if I brought my shepherd into costco someone would say something >>> about it. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Julie McGinnity >> >wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>>> >>>> First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates >>>> things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an >>>> access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know plenty >>>> of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be >>>> able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, what >>>> would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to >>>> make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? >>>> >>>> As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus >>>> housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it is >>>> illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health >>>> records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or not >>>> this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least >>>> for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So >>>> are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the >>>> service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations >>>> and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, >>>> apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. >>>> >>>> I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take >>>> a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, for >>>> example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I >>>> understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also >>>> not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We >>>> guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and >>>> what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but >>>> much of the time they are uncalled for. >>>> >>>> I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of >>>> us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I >>>> have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog >>>> ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only >>>> human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next >>>> time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog >>>> has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at >>>> convention. >>>> >>>> I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for >>>> the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take >>>> charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) And >>>> it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses >>>> cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. Yes, >>>> dog users still have to use canes some of the time. >>>> >>>> My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for >>>> the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty >>>> or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend >>>> to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean, >>>> the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with >>>> allergies. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: >>>> >>>> I presume it is a health question because as I >>>>> recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was >>>>> wondering whether or not it is permissible under >>>>> the ADA guidelines for a college or university to >>>>> request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. >>>>> >>>>> I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I >>>>> don't SEE the difference between requesting a >>>>> service/guide dog's vaccination records or a >>>>> students immunization records especially with >>>>> all of the concern of contageous diseases such >>>>> as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just >>>>> trying to be proactive to protect the >>>>> staff/student population, who regularly >>>>> attend/visit their campus of learning, and that >>>>> is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. >>>>> >>>>> Sent From Robin M. >>>>> >>>>> At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is >>>>>> not the dog's coat which gives the allergic >>>>>> reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva >>>>>> consists of allergen which make some people >>>>>> sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen >>>>>> and therefore the dog is not the only problem >>>>>> for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well >>>>>> cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more >>>>>> problems for a person with dog allergies then a >>>>>> dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog >>>>>> allergies can take medecins but for few people >>>>>> this do not work, for them it would be a problem >>>>>> to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none >>>>>> take this personally but I only want to clear up >>>>>> things. I live in a country where the Allergic >>>>>> lobby has a very strong voice which makes it >>>>>> hard to live with a guide dog here. We get >>>>>> refused to enter shops, restaurants and >>>>>> universities because 'a person can get an >>>>>> allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject >>>>>> is close to my heart. I understand that it can >>>>>> be a problem for people with allergies but it is >>>>>> not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and >>>>>> she will not be upin people faces. I really >>>>>> feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult >>>>>> but I wish it would be more respectful >>>>>> especially in my own country where it sounds >>>>>> lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies >>>>>> which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. >>>>>> Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : >>>>>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : >>>>>> http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.****com>>>>> blogspot.com >Envoyé de mon >>>>>> iPad Mini >>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>>>> your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>>> >>>>> robin-melvin%40comcast.net>>> options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**robin-melvin%40comcast.net >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> >>>> kaybaycar%40gmail.com>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%**40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Julie McG >>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>>> life." >>>> John 3:16 >>>> >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> sgermano%40asu.edu>>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%**40asu.edu >>>> > >>>> >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> tyler%40tysdomain.com>> nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%**40tysdomain.com >>> > >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >> that dares not reason is a slave. >> >> >> ______________________________****_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**** >> sgermano%40asu.edu >> > 40asu.edu >> > >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 05:10:17 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 01:10:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use In-Reply-To: <8D076605D524486-EF0-448C7@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com> References: <52254006.252dec0a.28d9.fffffac7@mx.google.com> <8D076605D524486-EF0-448C7@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01cea863$e1c44c90$a54ce5b0$@gmail.com> That is a personal choice; no explanation needed. Well, not unless you want too. Just get some cane instruction and orientation from your state center. Good luck, and happy caning. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:00 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use I strongly agree with Sophie's point. I do not think you would have to necessarily notify your school's disabilities office about your transition to cane because it would not be a big change for your classes or accessing facilities on the campus. If you are a client of your state department of rehab, yiou probably can ask them to provide you with an orientation and mobility instructor, so that you can learn proper techniques for using the white cane. Also, you might want to consider NFB training centers in a long run. Best wishes Miso -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use Ashley, if you're steadily losing your vision, familiarizing yourself with the use of a cane will be very helpful. It will make things less difficult for you when you no longer have enough vision to drive, and it will make it easier for you to navigate campus without having to depend on tiny signs you can't read. However, if you decide to begin learning cane use, I believe it is important to have an O&M (orientation and mobility) teacher help you learn proper techniques. I wish you the best of luck. Yours sincerely, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Allen References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com><00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net><522543AE.6090706@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <5225C157.2040301@tysdomain.com> You can give a dog training and call it a service dog. They're called owner-trained dogs. Basically here's my thoughts on this. Whether or not it is legally required, if Minh wants to provide the info she should go for it. If it were a request from say, dining or housing, I'd have told her 100% yes, do it. As it stands, it's an issue with an already lacking DS office who wants the information "just in case." Whatever yor views are on whether or not we should have tracker chips and IDS to say we're blind and ids to say we should have a cane and ids to say we have a qualified service dog (whatever qualified means at this point), forking over information just because is a little crazy. I also think this helps foster the sort of attitude where departments communicate with the DS office as opposed to the student herself. On 9/3/2013 1:03 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Suzanne, > I see you're not going to win the argument with Joe. > I see where you're coming from, but if the law says they cannot ask > intrusive questions, then the school shouldn't. > > As for training, you are oversimplifying. The dog has to meet some > requirements and I think trainers from the guide dog school come to > your home to provide some of this training. > You cannot simply give a dog some training and call it a service dog. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 12:52 AM > To: tyler at tysdomain.com ; National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > I did not know anyone can just train their own dog and call it a service > dog. > > So I can train my dog to stop at curbs and other things that my dog from > Guide Dog for the Blind dog did and I can then have him legally be a > service dog? > > Never knew this. > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Littlefield, Tyler > wrote: > >> You keep pushing this verification of service dogs like it's a >> solution to >> the fake service dogs issue. It might be one solution or maybe a partial >> solution, but what do you propose for owner-trained dogs? Those dogs, >> who >> by your account of what should be allowed and what shouldn't wouldn't be >> "properly trained" and certified? >> On 9/2/2013 10:00 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> >>> What does well behaved dogs have to do with properly certified service >>> animals. I should not be able to take my German Shepherd into a >>> store just >>> because he is well behaved and I am blind if he is not trained to be a >>> guide dog. I would love to bring my dogs everywhere but they are not >>> trained as guide dogs. I believe that service dogs should have to be >>> properly trained and certified by an agency otherwise everyone will >>> just >>> bring pets into stores and claim they are service dogs. >>> >>> I have seen several dogs in stores recently with nothing on them >>> indicating >>> they are service animals but becausee they are small no one says >>> anything. >>> I bet if I brought my shepherd into costco someone would say something >>> about it. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Julie McGinnity >> >wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates >>>> things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an >>>> access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know plenty >>>> of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be >>>> able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, what >>>> would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to >>>> make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? >>>> >>>> As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus >>>> housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it is >>>> illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health >>>> records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or not >>>> this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least >>>> for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So >>>> are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the >>>> service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations >>>> and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, >>>> apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. >>>> >>>> I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take >>>> a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, for >>>> example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I >>>> understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also >>>> not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We >>>> guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and >>>> what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but >>>> much of the time they are uncalled for. >>>> >>>> I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of >>>> us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I >>>> have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog >>>> ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only >>>> human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next >>>> time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog >>>> has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at >>>> convention. >>>> >>>> I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for >>>> the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take >>>> charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) And >>>> it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses >>>> cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. Yes, >>>> dog users still have to use canes some of the time. >>>> >>>> My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for >>>> the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty >>>> or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend >>>> to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean, >>>> the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with >>>> allergies. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: >>>> >>>>> I presume it is a health question because as I >>>>> recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was >>>>> wondering whether or not it is permissible under >>>>> the ADA guidelines for a college or university to >>>>> request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. >>>>> >>>>> I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I >>>>> don't SEE the difference between requesting a >>>>> service/guide dog's vaccination records or a >>>>> students immunization records especially with >>>>> all of the concern of contageous diseases such >>>>> as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just >>>>> trying to be proactive to protect the >>>>> staff/student population, who regularly >>>>> attend/visit their campus of learning, and that >>>>> is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. >>>>> >>>>> Sent From Robin M. >>>>> >>>>> At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is >>>>>> not the dog's coat which gives the allergic >>>>>> reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva >>>>>> consists of allergen which make some people >>>>>> sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen >>>>>> and therefore the dog is not the only problem >>>>>> for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well >>>>>> cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more >>>>>> problems for a person with dog allergies then a >>>>>> dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog >>>>>> allergies can take medecins but for few people >>>>>> this do not work, for them it would be a problem >>>>>> to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none >>>>>> take this personally but I only want to clear up >>>>>> things. I live in a country where the Allergic >>>>>> lobby has a very strong voice which makes it >>>>>> hard to live with a guide dog here. We get >>>>>> refused to enter shops, restaurants and >>>>>> universities because 'a person can get an >>>>>> allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject >>>>>> is close to my heart. I understand that it can >>>>>> be a problem for people with allergies but it is >>>>>> not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and >>>>>> she will not be upin people faces. I really >>>>>> feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult >>>>>> but I wish it would be more respectful >>>>>> especially in my own country where it sounds >>>>>> lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies >>>>>> which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. >>>>>> Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : >>>>>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : >>>>>> http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.**comEnvoyé >>>>>> de mon >>>>>> iPad Mini >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>>>> your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> robin-melvin%40comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Julie McG >>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>>> life." >>>> John 3:16 >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> sgermano%40asu.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> tyler%40tysdomain.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >> that dares not reason is a slave. >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 11:31:54 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 07:31:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: <5225C157.2040301@tysdomain.com> References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net> <522543AE.6090706@tysdomain.com> <5225C157.2040301@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: A service dog is legally defined as a dog who is trained to perform tasks that mitigate one's disability. So, if a person with epilepsy owner-trains a dog to nudge him with his nose when a seizure is upcoming, that is a service dog. Whether that dog is accepted into places of businesses depends on if the dog is clean and well-behaved. A service dog who barks at any other dog that comes by, relieves in a business, or does other naughty things will have the owner soon learning his dog cannot come with him everywhere. However, if the dog is well-behaved, it only needs to be trained for one task to be considered a service animal. The dog does not even need to be on a leash or have any identification harness or sign. If the dog is controlled and the person's disability requires that the dog be free from a leash, then that is fine. For example, a dog who is trained to run for help when his owner goes into a grand mal seizure cannot be tied down by a leash; it won't be able to run for help. This dog would be controlled by voice instead. Though it is more common for service dogs for people with other disabilities to be owner-trained, blind people have trained their own guide dogs. Mostly this is people who have worked with many guide dogs and know exactly what the dog should do and what they want him to do. If you want more info on owner training a guide dog, check out the NAGDU list. There are several owner trainers on there, including someone who just got a puppy and is giving him basic training before he goes to a private trainer for guide training. ~Jewel On 9/3/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > You can give a dog training and call it a service dog. They're called > owner-trained dogs. > > Basically here's my thoughts on this. > Whether or not it is legally required, if Minh wants to provide the info > she should go for it. If it were a request from say, dining or housing, > I'd have told her 100% yes, do it. As it stands, it's an issue with an > already lacking DS office who wants the information "just in case." > Whatever yor views are on whether or not we should have tracker chips > and IDS to say we're blind and ids to say we should have a cane and ids > to say we have a qualified service dog (whatever qualified means at this > point), forking over information just because is a little crazy. I also > think this helps foster the sort of attitude where departments > communicate with the DS office as opposed to the student herself. > On 9/3/2013 1:03 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Suzanne, >> I see you're not going to win the argument with Joe. >> I see where you're coming from, but if the law says they cannot ask >> intrusive questions, then the school shouldn't. >> >> As for training, you are oversimplifying. The dog has to meet some >> requirements and I think trainers from the guide dog school come to >> your home to provide some of this training. >> You cannot simply give a dog some training and call it a service dog. >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano >> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 12:52 AM >> To: tyler at tysdomain.com ; National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs >> >> I did not know anyone can just train their own dog and call it a service >> dog. >> >> So I can train my dog to stop at curbs and other things that my dog from >> Guide Dog for the Blind dog did and I can then have him legally be a >> service dog? >> >> Never knew this. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Littlefield, Tyler >> wrote: >> >>> You keep pushing this verification of service dogs like it's a >>> solution to >>> the fake service dogs issue. It might be one solution or maybe a partial >>> solution, but what do you propose for owner-trained dogs? Those dogs, >>> who >>> by your account of what should be allowed and what shouldn't wouldn't be >>> "properly trained" and certified? >>> On 9/2/2013 10:00 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: >>> >>>> What does well behaved dogs have to do with properly certified service >>>> animals. I should not be able to take my German Shepherd into a >>>> store just >>>> because he is well behaved and I am blind if he is not trained to be a >>>> guide dog. I would love to bring my dogs everywhere but they are not >>>> trained as guide dogs. I believe that service dogs should have to be >>>> properly trained and certified by an agency otherwise everyone will >>>> just >>>> bring pets into stores and claim they are service dogs. >>>> >>>> I have seen several dogs in stores recently with nothing on them >>>> indicating >>>> they are service animals but becausee they are small no one says >>>> anything. >>>> I bet if I brought my shepherd into costco someone would say something >>>> about it. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Julie McGinnity >>> >wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates >>>>> things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an >>>>> access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know plenty >>>>> of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be >>>>> able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, what >>>>> would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to >>>>> make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? >>>>> >>>>> As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus >>>>> housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it is >>>>> illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health >>>>> records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or not >>>>> this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least >>>>> for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So >>>>> are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the >>>>> service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations >>>>> and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, >>>>> apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. >>>>> >>>>> I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take >>>>> a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, for >>>>> example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I >>>>> understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also >>>>> not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We >>>>> guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and >>>>> what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but >>>>> much of the time they are uncalled for. >>>>> >>>>> I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of >>>>> us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I >>>>> have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog >>>>> ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only >>>>> human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next >>>>> time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog >>>>> has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at >>>>> convention. >>>>> >>>>> I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for >>>>> the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take >>>>> charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) And >>>>> it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses >>>>> cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. Yes, >>>>> dog users still have to use canes some of the time. >>>>> >>>>> My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for >>>>> the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty >>>>> or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend >>>>> to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean, >>>>> the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with >>>>> allergies. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I presume it is a health question because as I >>>>>> recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was >>>>>> wondering whether or not it is permissible under >>>>>> the ADA guidelines for a college or university to >>>>>> request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. >>>>>> >>>>>> I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I >>>>>> don't SEE the difference between requesting a >>>>>> service/guide dog's vaccination records or a >>>>>> students immunization records especially with >>>>>> all of the concern of contageous diseases such >>>>>> as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just >>>>>> trying to be proactive to protect the >>>>>> staff/student population, who regularly >>>>>> attend/visit their campus of learning, and that >>>>>> is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent From Robin M. >>>>>> >>>>>> At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is >>>>>>> not the dog's coat which gives the allergic >>>>>>> reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva >>>>>>> consists of allergen which make some people >>>>>>> sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen >>>>>>> and therefore the dog is not the only problem >>>>>>> for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well >>>>>>> cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more >>>>>>> problems for a person with dog allergies then a >>>>>>> dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog >>>>>>> allergies can take medecins but for few people >>>>>>> this do not work, for them it would be a problem >>>>>>> to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none >>>>>>> take this personally but I only want to clear up >>>>>>> things. I live in a country where the Allergic >>>>>>> lobby has a very strong voice which makes it >>>>>>> hard to live with a guide dog here. We get >>>>>>> refused to enter shops, restaurants and >>>>>>> universities because 'a person can get an >>>>>>> allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject >>>>>>> is close to my heart. I understand that it can >>>>>>> be a problem for people with allergies but it is >>>>>>> not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and >>>>>>> she will not be upin people faces. I really >>>>>>> feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult >>>>>>> but I wish it would be more respectful >>>>>>> especially in my own country where it sounds >>>>>>> lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies >>>>>>> which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. >>>>>>> Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : >>>>>>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : >>>>>>> http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.**comEnvoyé >>>>>>> >>>>>>> de mon >>>>>>> iPad Mini >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>>>>> your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> robin-melvin%40comcast.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Julie McG >>>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>>>> life." >>>>> John 3:16 >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>>> sgermano%40asu.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> tyler%40tysdomain.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Take care, >>> Ty >>> http://tds-solutions.net >>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >>> that dares not reason is a slave. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that > dares not reason is a slave. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 12:52:56 2013 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 07:52:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone References: <70872C4CFACD455A87789BF738A7F697@Gloria> Message-ID: <68C0881E448049FCB10CFAF4EDD01F86@Gloria> hi, Thank you for this information. I am going to try this and see how far I get. I am not the smartest person when it comes to technology. LOL! Maybe there is one more thing you can assist me with. I had someone send me ring tones via text message and they came as media files in my text message which I was expecting, but when I go to open the message with the attached file, it opens it up as a video, and when I try to save it to my phone there is no save button but there is a action button which asks me to open up the media file in either messages or drop box. I can remember phones that I have had like the NV2, whenever I would get a pic, video, or any type of audio file, there would be an option to save the file to my phone, but I am not finding the same thing with the I-phone. I have tried emailing the files to myself so that I could open them and hopefully save them to my phone that way, but again, no luck because I am not getting an option to save the file to my phone. Am I doing something wrong? Again, I am not the most tech savvy person around. I am able to do the basic things I need to with my phone and computer, but am trying to expand my technological knowledge, if that makes since the way I said that. Sorry if these questions are becoming a pain, but I figured there would be someone out there a little better with the I-phone who could maybe help me. Thank you for any help you can give. Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexa Schwichow" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone > You have to go to iTunes, and to go to your iPhone on your computer. After > you click past all the radio buttons that say stuff like music, Summary, > info, etc, you will find a radio button that says apps. You need to press > the spacebar to check this button. Then, tab until you hear file sharing. > After this, you will find a list of apps that can transfer files between > your phone and your computer. Select the ring tone app, tab over, and you > will find a list of the files that this application can share with your > computer. Select the ring tone And tab to the save as button. Save it in a > folder, and then add it to your iTunes library from that folder. This can > be done by selecting file greater then add file to library. I hope this > helps. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:06 PM, "Gloria G" wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I hope you are well. I am trying to download ring tones to my I-phone and >> was wondering if someone could help me? I downloaded an app that allows >> me to download ring tones for free, but when I check my phone in the ring >> tones tab in settings the ring tones I downloaded are not there. I read >> in the app that the ring tones should show up in I-tunes, but when I go >> to downloads, they are not there. How can I download ring tones and >> transfer them to my phone to be able to find them when I go to settings >> and go to ring tones? Any suggestions would be appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Gloria >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ajschwichow%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Sep 3 12:54:18 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 05:54:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com> <00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net> <522543AE.6090706@tysdomain.com> <5225C157.2040301@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: Thanks for all the info! On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Jewel wrote: > A service dog is legally defined as a dog who is trained to perform > tasks that mitigate one's disability. So, if a person with epilepsy > owner-trains a dog to nudge him with his nose when a seizure is > upcoming, that is a service dog. Whether that dog is accepted into > places of businesses depends on if the dog is clean and well-behaved. > A service dog who barks at any other dog that comes by, relieves in a > business, or does other naughty things will have the owner soon > learning his dog cannot come with him everywhere. However, if the dog > is well-behaved, it only needs to be trained for one task to be > considered a service animal. The dog does not even need to be on a > leash or have any identification harness or sign. If the dog is > controlled and the person's disability requires that the dog be free > from a leash, then that is fine. For example, a dog who is trained to > run for help when his owner goes into a grand mal seizure cannot be > tied down by a leash; it won't be able to run for help. This dog would > be controlled by voice instead. > > Though it is more common for service dogs for people with other > disabilities to be owner-trained, blind people have trained their own > guide dogs. Mostly this is people who have worked with many guide dogs > and know exactly what the dog should do and what they want him to do. > > If you want more info on owner training a guide dog, check out the > NAGDU list. There are several owner trainers on there, including > someone who just got a puppy and is giving him basic training before > he goes to a private trainer for guide training. > > ~Jewel > > On 9/3/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > > You can give a dog training and call it a service dog. They're called > > owner-trained dogs. > > > > Basically here's my thoughts on this. > > Whether or not it is legally required, if Minh wants to provide the info > > she should go for it. If it were a request from say, dining or housing, > > I'd have told her 100% yes, do it. As it stands, it's an issue with an > > already lacking DS office who wants the information "just in case." > > Whatever yor views are on whether or not we should have tracker chips > > and IDS to say we're blind and ids to say we should have a cane and ids > > to say we have a qualified service dog (whatever qualified means at this > > point), forking over information just because is a little crazy. I also > > think this helps foster the sort of attitude where departments > > communicate with the DS office as opposed to the student herself. > > On 9/3/2013 1:03 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> Suzanne, > >> I see you're not going to win the argument with Joe. > >> I see where you're coming from, but if the law says they cannot ask > >> intrusive questions, then the school shouldn't. > >> > >> As for training, you are oversimplifying. The dog has to meet some > >> requirements and I think trainers from the guide dog school come to > >> your home to provide some of this training. > >> You cannot simply give a dog some training and call it a service dog. > >> Ashley > >> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 12:52 AM > >> To: tyler at tysdomain.com ; National Association of Blind Students > >> mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > >> > >> I did not know anyone can just train their own dog and call it a service > >> dog. > >> > >> So I can train my dog to stop at curbs and other things that my dog from > >> Guide Dog for the Blind dog did and I can then have him legally be a > >> service dog? > >> > >> Never knew this. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Littlefield, Tyler > >> wrote: > >> > >>> You keep pushing this verification of service dogs like it's a > >>> solution to > >>> the fake service dogs issue. It might be one solution or maybe a > partial > >>> solution, but what do you propose for owner-trained dogs? Those dogs, > >>> who > >>> by your account of what should be allowed and what shouldn't wouldn't > be > >>> "properly trained" and certified? > >>> On 9/2/2013 10:00 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > >>> > >>>> What does well behaved dogs have to do with properly certified service > >>>> animals. I should not be able to take my German Shepherd into a > >>>> store just > >>>> because he is well behaved and I am blind if he is not trained to be a > >>>> guide dog. I would love to bring my dogs everywhere but they are not > >>>> trained as guide dogs. I believe that service dogs should have to be > >>>> properly trained and certified by an agency otherwise everyone will > >>>> just > >>>> bring pets into stores and claim they are service dogs. > >>>> > >>>> I have seen several dogs in stores recently with nothing on them > >>>> indicating > >>>> they are service animals but becausee they are small no one says > >>>> anything. > >>>> I bet if I brought my shepherd into costco someone would say something > >>>> about it. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Julie McGinnity >>>> >wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi all, > >>>>> > >>>>> First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates > >>>>> things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an > >>>>> access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know > plenty > >>>>> of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be > >>>>> able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, > what > >>>>> would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced > to > >>>>> make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? > >>>>> > >>>>> As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus > >>>>> housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it > is > >>>>> illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health > >>>>> records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or > not > >>>>> this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least > >>>>> for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So > >>>>> are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the > >>>>> service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations > >>>>> and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, > >>>>> apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. > >>>>> > >>>>> I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take > >>>>> a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, > for > >>>>> example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I > >>>>> understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also > >>>>> not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We > >>>>> guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, > and > >>>>> what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but > >>>>> much of the time they are uncalled for. > >>>>> > >>>>> I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of > >>>>> us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I > >>>>> have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog > >>>>> ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only > >>>>> human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next > >>>>> time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog > >>>>> has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at > >>>>> convention. > >>>>> > >>>>> I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for > >>>>> the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take > >>>>> charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) > And > >>>>> it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog > verses > >>>>> cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. > Yes, > >>>>> dog users still have to use canes some of the time. > >>>>> > >>>>> My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for > >>>>> the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty > >>>>> or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people > tend > >>>>> to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not > clean, > >>>>> the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with > >>>>> allergies. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I presume it is a health question because as I > >>>>>> recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was > >>>>>> wondering whether or not it is permissible under > >>>>>> the ADA guidelines for a college or university to > >>>>>> request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I > >>>>>> don't SEE the difference between requesting a > >>>>>> service/guide dog's vaccination records or a > >>>>>> students immunization records especially with > >>>>>> all of the concern of contageous diseases such > >>>>>> as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just > >>>>>> trying to be proactive to protect the > >>>>>> staff/student population, who regularly > >>>>>> attend/visit their campus of learning, and that > >>>>>> is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent From Robin M. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is > >>>>>>> not the dog's coat which gives the allergic > >>>>>>> reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva > >>>>>>> consists of allergen which make some people > >>>>>>> sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen > >>>>>>> and therefore the dog is not the only problem > >>>>>>> for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well > >>>>>>> cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more > >>>>>>> problems for a person with dog allergies then a > >>>>>>> dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog > >>>>>>> allergies can take medecins but for few people > >>>>>>> this do not work, for them it would be a problem > >>>>>>> to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none > >>>>>>> take this personally but I only want to clear up > >>>>>>> things. I live in a country where the Allergic > >>>>>>> lobby has a very strong voice which makes it > >>>>>>> hard to live with a guide dog here. We get > >>>>>>> refused to enter shops, restaurants and > >>>>>>> universities because 'a person can get an > >>>>>>> allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject > >>>>>>> is close to my heart. I understand that it can > >>>>>>> be a problem for people with allergies but it is > >>>>>>> not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and > >>>>>>> she will not be upin people faces. I really > >>>>>>> feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult > >>>>>>> but I wish it would be more respectful > >>>>>>> especially in my own country where it sounds > >>>>>>> lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies > >>>>>>> which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. > >>>>>>> Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : > >>>>>>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : > >>>>>>> http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.**com< > http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com>Envoyé > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> de mon > >>>>>>> iPad Mini > >>>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > >>>>>>> your account info for nabs-l: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >>>>> robin-melvin%40comcast.net< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net > > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > >>>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >>>>> kaybaycar%40gmail.com< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Julie McG > >>>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > >>>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > >>>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > >>>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > >>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > >>>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > >>>>> life." > >>>>> John 3:16 > >>>>> > >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >>>>> sgermano%40asu.edu< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >>>> tyler%40tysdomain.com< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Take care, > >>> Ty > >>> http://tds-solutions.net > >>> He that will not reason is a bigot; 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C. Bray) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:17:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use References: Message-ID: Hi, Ashley, My initial thoughts are that you might consider taking Orientation & Mobility ( O&M ) as a "class". Hopefully, your instructor will teach you the basics under blindfold, and that way you will have the skills and be aware of the concepts and how will things will go later. The largest part of O&M is knowing ( as opposed to seeing ) where you are. If you can still see, and get around that is great, but using a cane to travel if you don't need to is like carrying an umbrella on a sunny day ( SMILE )! Your Opthalmologis is doing you a favor I think. Your O&M instructor should put you under blindfold and get you used to it too. I lost my vision kinda slowly over time, but then finally, it went completely really quickly. I started my O&M without even light perception, but as I recovered just a tiny bit of that, things got easier, but I had already climbed the hump. Hope that helps!! Ian C. Bray Louisville, KY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Allen" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 9:36 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use > Hi all! > > Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new to this > group and am a university student this year after transferring from > community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic amblyopia. > I > still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily getting > worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. My > opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage recently as I > am > steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to drive, with > restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that I may > familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on > campus...I > tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... > > Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still drive? > What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid semester? > > I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, as I > want > to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From i.c.bray at win.net Tue Sep 3 13:24:02 2013 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:24:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use References: <52254006.252dec0a.28d9.fffffac7@mx.google.com> <8D076605D524486-EF0-448C7@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, Ashley; I have to agree. There is one thing I neglected to mention, and that hasn't been said so far as well. Once you begin learning O&M with a cane, you MUST practice. You can not learn the skills, and prop the cane up in the corner- It must get used! If you ever end up needing a Guide Dog, it will be your cane skills plus your ability to learn and maneuver around obstacles with that cane that will be critical in getting your Guide Friend! The problem-solver in me says: "Prepare for the worst, Hope for the best!" Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miso Kwak" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >I strongly agree with Sophie's point. > I do not think you would have to necessarily notify your school's > disabilities office about your transition to cane because it would not be > a big change for your classes or accessing facilities on the campus. > If you are a client of your state department of rehab, yiou probably can > ask them to provide you with an orientation and mobility instructor, so > that you can learn proper techniques for using the white cane. > Also, you might want to consider NFB training centers in a long run. > Best wishes > Miso > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sophie Trist > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 6:49 pm > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use > > Ashley, if you're steadily losing your vision, familiarizing > yourself with the use of a cane will be very helpful. It will > make things less difficult for you when you no longer have enough > vision to drive, and it will make it easier for you to navigate > campus without having to depend on tiny signs you can't read. > However, if you decide to begin learning cane use, I believe it > is important to have an O&M (orientation and mobility) teacher > help you learn proper techniques. I wish you the best of luck. > > Yours sincerely, > Sophie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ashley Allen To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:36:31 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use > > Hi all! > > Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new > to this > group and am a university student this year after transferring > from > community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic > amblyopia. I > still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily > getting > worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. > My > opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage > recently as I am > steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to > drive, with > restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that > I may > familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on > campus...I > tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... > > Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still > drive? > What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid > semester? > > I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, > as I want > to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From i.c.bray at win.net Tue Sep 3 13:34:06 2013 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:34:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com><00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net> Message-ID: <94D2AAC12BC7451FAF5DD7FC437C7495@JAWS> Suzaanne, You have summed up the entire contents of the discussion nicely. People who purchase guide harnesses to put on their shephards because they're dog-lovers and pretending to be guide dogs should be illegal. While I loved my pack of Australlian Shepards like kids, I would not want to try and drag them through the grocery! I also can not stand the self-entitled individuals who expect to get away with it either. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne Germano" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs What does well behaved dogs have to do with properly certified service animals. I should not be able to take my German Shepherd into a store just because he is well behaved and I am blind if he is not trained to be a guide dog. I would love to bring my dogs everywhere but they are not trained as guide dogs. I believe that service dogs should have to be properly trained and certified by an agency otherwise everyone will just bring pets into stores and claim they are service dogs. I have seen several dogs in stores recently with nothing on them indicating they are service animals but becausee they are small no one says anything. I bet if I brought my shepherd into costco someone would say something about it. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates > things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an > access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know plenty > of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be > able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, what > would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to > make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? > > As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus > housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it is > illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health > records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or not > this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least > for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So > are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the > service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations > and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, > apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. > > I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take > a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, for > example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I > understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also > not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We > guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and > what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but > much of the time they are uncalled for. > > I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of > us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I > have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog > ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only > human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next > time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog > has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at > convention. > > I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for > the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take > charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) And > it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses > cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. Yes, > dog users still have to use canes some of the time. > > My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for > the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty > or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend > to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean, > the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with > allergies. > > > > On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: > > I presume it is a health question because as I > > recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was > > wondering whether or not it is permissible under > > the ADA guidelines for a college or university to > > request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. > > > > I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I > > don't SEE the difference between requesting a > > service/guide dog's vaccination records or a > > students immunization records especially with > > all of the concern of contageous diseases such > > as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just > > trying to be proactive to protect the > > staff/student population, who regularly > > attend/visit their campus of learning, and that > > is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. > > > > Sent From Robin M. > > > > At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: > >>BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is > >>not the dog's coat which gives the allergic > >>reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva > >>consists of allergen which make some people > >>sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen > >>and therefore the dog is not the only problem > >>for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well > >>cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more > >>problems for a person with dog allergies then a > >>dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog > >>allergies can take medecins but for few people > >>this do not work, for them it would be a problem > >>to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none > >>take this personally but I only want to clear up > >>things. I live in a country where the Allergic > >>lobby has a very strong voice which makes it > >>hard to live with a guide dog here. We get > >>refused to enter shops, restaurants and > >>universities because 'a person can get an > >>allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject > >>is close to my heart. I understand that it can > >>be a problem for people with allergies but it is > >>not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and > >>she will not be upin people faces. I really > >>feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult > >>but I wish it would be more respectful > >>especially in my own country where it sounds > >>lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies > >>which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. > >>Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : > >>leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : > >>http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com Envoyé de mon > >>iPad Mini > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > >>your account info for nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From i.c.bray at win.net Tue Sep 3 13:47:18 2013 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:47:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com><00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net> <522543AE.6090706@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <568DE5BEE6FE4D6A9527F05A47D23AC3@JAWS> Tyler, Personally, I like the Doggy ID Idea. It is a great outreach tool, and an opportunity to reassert your individuality and a perfect opportunity to educate and even shame those ridiculous people who should know better. Plus, I could always use a few thousand dollars from winning a lawsuit, especially when I have NFB and ADA regulations on my side! I like the idea that I can pull out of my jacket pocket, or my dog pouch a 5 by 7 laminated card with Me and my dog's photo, my dog's name, registration ID, and then dare anyone to refuse me entrance or service. Cheers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Littlefield, Tyler" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs You keep pushing this verification of service dogs like it's a solution to the fake service dogs issue. It might be one solution or maybe a partial solution, but what do you propose for owner-trained dogs? Those dogs, who by your account of what should be allowed and what shouldn't wouldn't be "properly trained" and certified? On 9/2/2013 10:00 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > What does well behaved dogs have to do with properly certified service > animals. I should not be able to take my German Shepherd into a store just > because he is well behaved and I am blind if he is not trained to be a > guide dog. I would love to bring my dogs everywhere but they are not > trained as guide dogs. I believe that service dogs should have to be > properly trained and certified by an agency otherwise everyone will just > bring pets into stores and claim they are service dogs. > > I have seen several dogs in stores recently with nothing on them > indicating > they are service animals but becausee they are small no one says anything. > I bet if I brought my shepherd into costco someone would say something > about it. > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Julie McGinnity > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates >> things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an >> access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know plenty >> of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be >> able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, what >> would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to >> make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? >> >> As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus >> housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it is >> illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health >> records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or not >> this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least >> for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So >> are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the >> service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations >> and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, >> apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. >> >> I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take >> a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, for >> example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I >> understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also >> not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We >> guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and >> what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but >> much of the time they are uncalled for. >> >> I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of >> us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I >> have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog >> ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only >> human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next >> time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog >> has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at >> convention. >> >> I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for >> the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take >> charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) And >> it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses >> cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. Yes, >> dog users still have to use canes some of the time. >> >> My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for >> the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty >> or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend >> to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean, >> the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with >> allergies. >> >> >> >> On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: >>> I presume it is a health question because as I >>> recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was >>> wondering whether or not it is permissible under >>> the ADA guidelines for a college or university to >>> request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. >>> >>> I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I >>> don't SEE the difference between requesting a >>> service/guide dog's vaccination records or a >>> students immunization records especially with >>> all of the concern of contageous diseases such >>> as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just >>> trying to be proactive to protect the >>> staff/student population, who regularly >>> attend/visit their campus of learning, and that >>> is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. >>> >>> Sent From Robin M. >>> >>> At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: >>>> BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is >>>> not the dog's coat which gives the allergic >>>> reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva >>>> consists of allergen which make some people >>>> sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen >>>> and therefore the dog is not the only problem >>>> for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well >>>> cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more >>>> problems for a person with dog allergies then a >>>> dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog >>>> allergies can take medecins but for few people >>>> this do not work, for them it would be a problem >>>> to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none >>>> take this personally but I only want to clear up >>>> things. I live in a country where the Allergic >>>> lobby has a very strong voice which makes it >>>> hard to live with a guide dog here. We get >>>> refused to enter shops, restaurants and >>>> universities because 'a person can get an >>>> allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject >>>> is close to my heart. I understand that it can >>>> be a problem for people with allergies but it is >>>> not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and >>>> she will not be upin people faces. I really >>>> feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult >>>> but I wish it would be more respectful >>>> especially in my own country where it sounds >>>> lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies >>>> which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. >>>> Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : >>>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : >>>> http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.com Envoyé de mon >>>> iPad Mini >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>> your account info for nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >> life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Sep 3 13:48:03 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 06:48:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes Message-ID: I have two course that at least weekly if no every lecture have in class quizzes or assignments. These are open book ,open notes, talk with other students, ask professor questions... How do you handle these. For example, are they provided to you in large print, braille, electronic? What if you are someone use uses extended time on things like tests? What about the access to books? At home I use the print book with my cctv so I can flip to index then flip to page. This is not the same with the pdf. Also my monitor at home is 27 inches vs 17 on my laptop so I am much faster on the large monitor. I have always been a print reader and do not do well at all with audio. Since my vision is stable there was never a need to not use large print or cctv. I also find it difficult to work with other students since I can't see their work and even when I say I am legally blind or visually impaired and ask if they can write bigger, they still write in their normal size which is too small and with very like pencil. What are your techniques? Do you do it in class with an accessible format? Do you take it home and return it next class? When I went to school years ago 1980s-1990s they did not do all this in class stuff. Thanks Suzanne From i.c.bray at win.net Tue Sep 3 14:00:46 2013 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:00:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs References: <30012AD5-4C94-470D-8A18-1EAB0D4C5FCF@gmail.com><00ec01cea67c$439c10e0$cad432a0$@gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20130901144122.04f2e058@comcast.net><522543AE.6090706@tysdomain.com> <5225C157.2040301@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <6FD45BFDF8C342F2978B60F30BC666F9@JAWS> Hey, I have an idea! LOL! Make the DRC / DS office issue Puppy-Student ID's!! Shamelessly Grinning ! Ian C. Bray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Littlefield, Tyler" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs You can give a dog training and call it a service dog. They're called owner-trained dogs. Basically here's my thoughts on this. Whether or not it is legally required, if Minh wants to provide the info she should go for it. If it were a request from say, dining or housing, I'd have told her 100% yes, do it. As it stands, it's an issue with an already lacking DS office who wants the information "just in case." Whatever yor views are on whether or not we should have tracker chips and IDS to say we're blind and ids to say we should have a cane and ids to say we have a qualified service dog (whatever qualified means at this point), forking over information just because is a little crazy. I also think this helps foster the sort of attitude where departments communicate with the DS office as opposed to the student herself. On 9/3/2013 1:03 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Suzanne, > I see you're not going to win the argument with Joe. > I see where you're coming from, but if the law says they cannot ask > intrusive questions, then the school shouldn't. > > As for training, you are oversimplifying. The dog has to meet some > requirements and I think trainers from the guide dog school come to your > home to provide some of this training. > You cannot simply give a dog some training and call it a service dog. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 12:52 AM > To: tyler at tysdomain.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Students with guide dogs > > I did not know anyone can just train their own dog and call it a service > dog. > > So I can train my dog to stop at curbs and other things that my dog from > Guide Dog for the Blind dog did and I can then have him legally be a > service dog? > > Never knew this. > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Littlefield, Tyler > wrote: > >> You keep pushing this verification of service dogs like it's a solution >> to >> the fake service dogs issue. It might be one solution or maybe a partial >> solution, but what do you propose for owner-trained dogs? Those dogs, who >> by your account of what should be allowed and what shouldn't wouldn't be >> "properly trained" and certified? >> On 9/2/2013 10:00 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> >>> What does well behaved dogs have to do with properly certified service >>> animals. I should not be able to take my German Shepherd into a store >>> just >>> because he is well behaved and I am blind if he is not trained to be a >>> guide dog. I would love to bring my dogs everywhere but they are not >>> trained as guide dogs. I believe that service dogs should have to be >>> properly trained and certified by an agency otherwise everyone will just >>> bring pets into stores and claim they are service dogs. >>> >>> I have seen several dogs in stores recently with nothing on them >>> indicating >>> they are service animals but becausee they are small no one says >>> anything. >>> I bet if I brought my shepherd into costco someone would say something >>> about it. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Julie McGinnity >> >wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates >>>> things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an >>>> access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs. I know plenty >>>> of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs. They would not be >>>> able to prove that they got their guides from a school. So then, what >>>> would happen? They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to >>>> make their own IDs. What would this accomplish? >>>> >>>> As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus >>>> housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act). Under FHA, it is >>>> illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health >>>> records on service dogs. We could debate all day about whether or not >>>> this is a good idea. Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least >>>> for dorms. But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal. So >>>> are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the >>>> service dog for any reason. This covers public housing accomidations >>>> and depends on numbers. Anyone renting a certain number of rooms, >>>> apartment complexes, and dorms are covered. >>>> >>>> I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take >>>> a guide dog. Noone can or should decide that for anyone else. I, for >>>> example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I >>>> understand and respect those who choose not to do this. It is also >>>> not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog. We >>>> guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and >>>> what to do with our dogs. Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but >>>> much of the time they are uncalled for. >>>> >>>> I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of >>>> us. But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake. I >>>> have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog >>>> ran after another dog. I got yelled at and deserved it. We are only >>>> human and make mistakes and get distracted. Remember that the next >>>> time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention. My dog >>>> has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at >>>> convention. >>>> >>>> I think we need to give each other a little grace here. It's time for >>>> the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take >>>> charge over their own dogs. (This goes for other dog users too.) And >>>> it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses >>>> cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want. Yes, >>>> dog users still have to use canes some of the time. >>>> >>>> My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for >>>> the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty >>>> or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend >>>> to forgot about the ADA. So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean, >>>> the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with >>>> allergies. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/1/13, Robin wrote: >>>> >>>>> I presume it is a health question because as I >>>>> recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was >>>>> wondering whether or not it is permissible under >>>>> the ADA guidelines for a college or university to >>>>> request vaccination records of a service/guide dog. >>>>> >>>>> I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I >>>>> don't SEE the difference between requesting a >>>>> service/guide dog's vaccination records or a >>>>> students immunization records especially with >>>>> all of the concern of contageous diseases such >>>>> as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just >>>>> trying to be proactive to protect the >>>>> staff/student population, who regularly >>>>> attend/visit their campus of learning, and that >>>>> is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue. >>>>> >>>>> Sent From Robin M. >>>>> >>>>> At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is >>>>>> not the dog's coat which gives the allergic >>>>>> reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva >>>>>> consists of allergen which make some people >>>>>> sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen >>>>>> and therefore the dog is not the only problem >>>>>> for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well >>>>>> cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more >>>>>> problems for a person with dog allergies then a >>>>>> dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog >>>>>> allergies can take medecins but for few people >>>>>> this do not work, for them it would be a problem >>>>>> to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none >>>>>> take this personally but I only want to clear up >>>>>> things. I live in a country where the Allergic >>>>>> lobby has a very strong voice which makes it >>>>>> hard to live with a guide dog here. We get >>>>>> refused to enter shops, restaurants and >>>>>> universities because 'a person can get an >>>>>> allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject >>>>>> is close to my heart. I understand that it can >>>>>> be a problem for people with allergies but it is >>>>>> not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and >>>>>> she will not be upin people faces. I really >>>>>> feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult >>>>>> but I wish it would be more respectful >>>>>> especially in my own country where it sounds >>>>>> lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies >>>>>> which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle. >>>>>> Leye-Shprintse íberg Courriel : >>>>>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal : >>>>>> http://leyeshprintse.blogspot.**comEnvoyé >>>>>> de mon >>>>>> iPad Mini >>>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>>>>> your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> robin-melvin%40comcast.net >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Julie McG >>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>>> life." >>>> John 3:16 >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> sgermano%40asu.edu >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> tyler%40tysdomain.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >> that dares not reason is a slave. >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From joshkart12 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 14:01:49 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:01:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone In-Reply-To: <68C0881E448049FCB10CFAF4EDD01F86@Gloria> References: <70872C4CFACD455A87789BF738A7F697@Gloria> <68C0881E448049FCB10CFAF4EDD01F86@Gloria> Message-ID: No you're not doing anything wrong, you're able to do saves of these files with another platforms such as android, merely saying that for comparison sake. At the moment, anyway, there's not anything I can think of to solve this… You could perhaps email it to yourself and open it in your computer and it will go into iTunes that way. Or suppose you could copy to the clipboard after you have it in the computer and paste it into the appropriate section. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2013, at 8:52 AM, "Gloria G" wrote: > hi, > Thank you for this information. I am going to try this and see how far I get. I am not the smartest person when it comes to technology. LOL! Maybe there is one more thing you can assist me with. I had someone send me ring tones via text message and they came as media files in my text message which I was expecting, but when I go to open the message with the attached file, it opens it up as a video, and when I try to save it to my phone there is no save button but there is a action button which asks me to open up the media file in either messages or drop box. I can remember phones that I have had like the NV2, whenever I would get a pic, video, or any type of audio file, there would be an option to save the file to my phone, but I am not finding the same thing with the I-phone. I have tried emailing the files to myself so that I could open them and hopefully save them to my phone that way, but again, no luck because I am not getting an option to save the file to my phone. Am I doing something wrong? Again, I am not the most tech savvy person around. I am able to do the basic things I need to with my phone and computer, but am trying to expand my technological knowledge, if that makes since the way I said that. Sorry if these questions are becoming a pain, but I figured there would be someone out there a little better with the I-phone who could maybe help me. Thank you for any help you can give. > Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexa Schwichow" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone > > >> You have to go to iTunes, and to go to your iPhone on your computer. After you click past all the radio buttons that say stuff like music, Summary, info, etc, you will find a radio button that says apps. You need to press the spacebar to check this button. Then, tab until you hear file sharing. After this, you will find a list of apps that can transfer files between your phone and your computer. Select the ring tone app, tab over, and you will find a list of the files that this application can share with your computer. Select the ring tone And tab to the save as button. Save it in a folder, and then add it to your iTunes library from that folder. This can be done by selecting file greater then add file to library. I hope this helps. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:06 PM, "Gloria G" wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I hope you are well. I am trying to download ring tones to my I-phone and was wondering if someone could help me? I downloaded an app that allows me to download ring tones for free, but when I check my phone in the ring tones tab in settings the ring tones I downloaded are not there. I read in the app that the ring tones should show up in I-tunes, but when I go to downloads, they are not there. How can I download ring tones and transfer them to my phone to be able to find them when I go to settings and go to ring tones? Any suggestions would be appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> Gloria >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ajschwichow%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From i.c.bray at win.net Tue Sep 3 14:04:56 2013 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:04:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone References: <70872C4CFACD455A87789BF738A7F697@Gloria> <68C0881E448049FCB10CFAF4EDD01F86@Gloria> Message-ID: Gloria, No, you aren't doing anything wrong... That's just iPhones for ya. That was the trade off I made for the use of Voice Over. I'm so glad you brought this up! Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone > hi, > Thank you for this information. I am going to try this and see how far I > get. I am not the smartest person when it comes to technology. LOL! Maybe > there is one more thing you can assist me with. I had someone send me ring > tones via text message and they came as media files in my text message > which I was expecting, but when I go to open the message with the attached > file, it opens it up as a video, and when I try to save it to my phone > there is no save button but there is a action button which asks me to open > up the media file in either messages or drop box. I can remember phones > that I have had like the NV2, whenever I would get a pic, video, or any > type of audio file, there would be an option to save the file to my phone, > but I am not finding the same thing with the I-phone. I have tried > emailing the files to myself so that I could open them and hopefully save > them to my phone that way, but again, no luck because I am not getting an > option to save the file to my phone. Am I doing something wrong? Again, I > am not the most tech savvy person around. I am able to do the basic things > I need to with my phone and computer, but am trying to expand my > technological knowledge, if that makes since the way I said that. Sorry if > these questions are becoming a pain, but I figured there would be someone > out there a little better with the I-phone who could maybe help me. Thank > you for any help you can give. > Gloria ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alexa Schwichow" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone > > >> You have to go to iTunes, and to go to your iPhone on your computer. >> After you click past all the radio buttons that say stuff like music, >> Summary, info, etc, you will find a radio button that says apps. You need >> to press the spacebar to check this button. Then, tab until you hear file >> sharing. After this, you will find a list of apps that can transfer files >> between your phone and your computer. Select the ring tone app, tab over, >> and you will find a list of the files that this application can share >> with your computer. Select the ring tone And tab to the save as button. >> Save it in a folder, and then add it to your iTunes library from that >> folder. This can be done by selecting file greater then add file to >> library. I hope this helps. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:06 PM, "Gloria G" wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I hope you are well. I am trying to download ring tones to my I-phone >>> and was wondering if someone could help me? I downloaded an app that >>> allows me to download ring tones for free, but when I check my phone in >>> the ring tones tab in settings the ring tones I downloaded are not >>> there. I read in the app that the ring tones should show up in I-tunes, >>> but when I go to downloads, they are not there. How can I download ring >>> tones and transfer them to my phone to be able to find them when I go to >>> settings and go to ring tones? Any suggestions would be appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> Gloria >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ajschwichow%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From abunchoflettersandnumbers at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 14:48:42 2013 From: abunchoflettersandnumbers at gmail.com (Ashley Allen) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 09:48:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use In-Reply-To: References: <52254006.252dec0a.28d9.fffffac7@mx.google.com> <8D076605D524486-EF0-448C7@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi all! Thanks for all the advice and recommendations! To those that have asked, I'm in texas, if you wish to know more details, let me know in private..I'd prefer not to disclose my full location publicly a this is the internet! I'm studying electrical engineering. Another question that was brought up was the restriction on my license. I am restricted to daytime only driving. So not a huge restriction. I am looking for an O&m instructor, however the state resources havent called me back just yet, and I can't actually go tothe office because of my work and school schedules. Any ideas on how to work around this, or is it just a waiting game? Ashley On Sep 3, 2013 8:25 AM, "I. C. Bray" wrote: > Yes, Ashley; > I have to agree. There is one thing I neglected to mention, and that > hasn't been said so far as well. > > Once you begin learning O&M with a cane, you MUST practice. You can not > learn the skills, and prop the cane up in the corner- It must get used! > If you ever end up needing a Guide Dog, it will be your cane skills plus > your ability to learn and maneuver around obstacles with that cane that > will be critical in getting your Guide Friend! > > The problem-solver in me says: "Prepare for the worst, Hope for the best!" > > Ian > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miso Kwak" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use > > > I strongly agree with Sophie's point. >> I do not think you would have to necessarily notify your school's >> disabilities office about your transition to cane because it would not be a >> big change for your classes or accessing facilities on the campus. >> If you are a client of your state department of rehab, yiou probably can >> ask them to provide you with an orientation and mobility instructor, so >> that you can learn proper techniques for using the white cane. >> Also, you might want to consider NFB training centers in a long run. >> Best wishes >> Miso >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sophie Trist >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 6:49 pm >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >> >> Ashley, if you're steadily losing your vision, familiarizing >> yourself with the use of a cane will be very helpful. It will >> make things less difficult for you when you no longer have enough >> vision to drive, and it will make it easier for you to navigate >> campus without having to depend on tiny signs you can't read. >> However, if you decide to begin learning cane use, I believe it >> is important to have an O&M (orientation and mobility) teacher >> help you learn proper techniques. I wish you the best of luck. >> >> Yours sincerely, >> Sophie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ashley Allen >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:36:31 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >> >> Hi all! >> >> Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new >> to this >> group and am a university student this year after transferring >> from >> community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic >> amblyopia. I >> still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily >> getting >> worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. >> My >> opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage >> recently as I am >> steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to >> drive, with >> restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that >> I may >> familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on >> campus...I >> tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... >> >> Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still >> drive? >> What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid >> semester? >> >> I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, >> as I want >> to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be >> appreciated. >> >> Ashley >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> kwakmiso%40aol.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.** >> bray%40win.net >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > abunchoflettersandnumbers%**40gmail.com > From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Tue Sep 3 14:50:58 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:50:58 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use In-Reply-To: References: <52254006.252dec0a.28d9.fffffac7@mx.google.com> <8D076605D524486-EF0-448C7@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com> , Message-ID: If you can't go to the office, you might be able to have them come to you. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Allen [abunchoflettersandnumbers at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:48 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use Hi all! Thanks for all the advice and recommendations! To those that have asked, I'm in texas, if you wish to know more details, let me know in private..I'd prefer not to disclose my full location publicly a this is the internet! I'm studying electrical engineering. Another question that was brought up was the restriction on my license. I am restricted to daytime only driving. So not a huge restriction. I am looking for an O&m instructor, however the state resources havent called me back just yet, and I can't actually go tothe office because of my work and school schedules. Any ideas on how to work around this, or is it just a waiting game? Ashley On Sep 3, 2013 8:25 AM, "I. C. Bray" wrote: > Yes, Ashley; > I have to agree. There is one thing I neglected to mention, and that > hasn't been said so far as well. > > Once you begin learning O&M with a cane, you MUST practice. You can not > learn the skills, and prop the cane up in the corner- It must get used! > If you ever end up needing a Guide Dog, it will be your cane skills plus > your ability to learn and maneuver around obstacles with that cane that > will be critical in getting your Guide Friend! > > The problem-solver in me says: "Prepare for the worst, Hope for the best!" > > Ian > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miso Kwak" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use > > > I strongly agree with Sophie's point. >> I do not think you would have to necessarily notify your school's >> disabilities office about your transition to cane because it would not be a >> big change for your classes or accessing facilities on the campus. >> If you are a client of your state department of rehab, yiou probably can >> ask them to provide you with an orientation and mobility instructor, so >> that you can learn proper techniques for using the white cane. >> Also, you might want to consider NFB training centers in a long run. >> Best wishes >> Miso >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sophie Trist >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 6:49 pm >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >> >> Ashley, if you're steadily losing your vision, familiarizing >> yourself with the use of a cane will be very helpful. It will >> make things less difficult for you when you no longer have enough >> vision to drive, and it will make it easier for you to navigate >> campus without having to depend on tiny signs you can't read. >> However, if you decide to begin learning cane use, I believe it >> is important to have an O&M (orientation and mobility) teacher >> help you learn proper techniques. I wish you the best of luck. >> >> Yours sincerely, >> Sophie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ashley Allen >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:36:31 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >> >> Hi all! >> >> Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new >> to this >> group and am a university student this year after transferring >> from >> community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic >> amblyopia. I >> still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily >> getting >> worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. >> My >> opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage >> recently as I am >> steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to >> drive, with >> restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that >> I may >> familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on >> campus...I >> tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... >> >> Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still >> drive? >> What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid >> semester? >> >> I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, >> as I want >> to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be >> appreciated. >> >> Ashley >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> kwakmiso%40aol.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.** >> bray%40win.net >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > abunchoflettersandnumbers%**40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 14:32:29 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:32:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do tests in two ways. It it is a scheduled test, I get it sent to the disability office to be made sure it is completely accessible, including language settings, tables, alt tags for graphics. I don't usually use double time unless there are many tactile images, like there were in Biology, or I have to read it in Braille, like for mathematics, since I am a slow Braille reader. Doing the test in the disability office ensures that I have someone available if there are problems. I schedule to take the test at the same time as everyone else unless I mean double time. If it is a pop quiz, the professor puts his or her digital copy of the quiz on a flash drive that I provide. The professors know from the beginning of the semester that this is how we will do it, so they have the digital copy ready. I put the flash drive in my laptop, put my answers in the digital copy, then turn in the flash drive when the other student's turn in their tests. The professor moves the file to their computer and returns the flash drive by the end of class. They can then print it or grade it in the digital file, and give me the graded paper or file. If they grade it digitally, they usually email it to me. I prefer this to cut back on the paper I have to keep up with. I hope this method makes sense to you and it helps you figure out the best method for yourself. Also, I use JAWS to do this, though for language class I sometimes use my refreshable Braille display so I can see accents and spelling. -Jewel Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > I have two course that at least weekly if no every lecture have in class > quizzes or assignments. These are open book ,open notes, talk with other > students, ask professor questions... > > How do you handle these. For example, are they provided to you in large > print, braille, electronic? What if you are someone use uses extended time > on things like tests? What about the access to books? At home I use the > print book with my cctv so I can flip to index then flip to page. This is > not the same with the pdf. Also my monitor at home is 27 inches vs 17 on my > laptop so I am much faster on the large monitor. I have always been a print > reader and do not do well at all with audio. Since my vision is stable > there was never a need to not use large print or cctv. I also find it > difficult to work with other students since I can't see their work and even > when I say I am legally blind or visually impaired and ask if they can > write bigger, they still write in their normal size which is too small and > with very like pencil. > > What are your techniques? Do you do it in class with an accessible format? > Do you take it home and return it next class? > > When I went to school years ago 1980s-1990s they did not do all this in > class stuff. > > > Thanks > > Suzanne > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Tue Sep 3 15:05:19 2013 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 08:05:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes Message-ID: Hi Suzanne, I requested that exams be emailed to me and took them in class on my BrailleNote. I did not use extended time and simply emailed my completed exam to the professor once I was done. That said, given your specific situation, I don't see why you couldn't take the exams at home, with access to your CCTV, the larger computer screen, etc, and email your responses to the professor within an agreed-upon amount of time. A professor might hesitate to allow this accommodation for closed-book exams, but given that you're expected to use materials besides the exam anyway, I would think this would be permissible. Hope this helps! Lucy > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Jewel To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:32:29 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes >I do tests in two ways. It it is a scheduled test, I get it sent to the disability office to be made sure it is completely accessible, including language settings, tables, alt tags for graphics. I don't usually use double time unless there are many tactile images, like there were in Biology, or I have to read it in Braille, like for mathematics, since I am a slow Braille reader. Doing the test in the disability office ensures that I have someone available if there are problems. I schedule to take the test at the same time as everyone else unless I mean double time. >If it is a pop quiz, the professor puts his or her digital copy of the quiz on a flash drive that I provide. The professors know from the beginning of the semester that this is how we will do it, so they have the digital copy ready. I put the flash drive in my laptop, put my answers in the digital copy, then turn in the flash drive when the other student's turn in their tests. The professor moves the file to their computer and returns the flash drive by the end of class. They can then print it or grade it in the digital file, and give me the graded paper or file. If they grade it digitally, they usually email it to me. I prefer this to cut back on the paper I have to keep up with. >I hope this method makes sense to you and it helps you figure out the best method for yourself. Also, I use JAWS to do this, though for language class I sometimes use my refreshable Braille display so I can see accents and spelling. >-Jewel >Sent from my iPhone >On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> I have two course that at least weekly if no every lecture have in class >> quizzes or assignments. These are open book ,open notes, talk with other >> students, ask professor questions... >> How do you handle these. For example, are they provided to you in large >> print, braille, electronic? What if you are someone use uses extended time >> on things like tests? What about the access to books? At home I use the >> print book with my cctv so I can flip to index then flip to page. This is >> not the same with the pdf. Also my monitor at home is 27 inches vs 17 on my >> laptop so I am much faster on the large monitor. I have always been a print >> reader and do not do well at all with audio. Since my vision is stable >> there was never a need to not use large print or cctv. I also find it >> difficult to work with other students since I can't see their work and even >> when I say I am legally blind or visually impaired and ask if they can >> write bigger, they still write in their normal size which is too small and >> with very like pencil. >> What are your techniques? Do you do it in class with an accessible format? >> Do you take it home and return it next class? >> When I went to school years ago 1980s-1990s they did not do all this in >> class stuff. >> Thanks >> Suzanne >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40earthlink.net From i.c.bray at win.net Tue Sep 3 15:17:15 2013 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 11:17:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use References: <52254006.252dec0a.28d9.fffffac7@mx.google.com><8D076605D524486-EF0-448C7@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0F4C2FAB3C2248CAB4182B29E88EA094@JAWS> Ashley, I'm in Kentucky, and I started my Blindness Rehab program in December, and had to wait 7 weeks for O&M simply because our excellent O&M Instructor was backlogged. I am honestly glad I got in when I did-- He was worth waiting for!! Sometimes it takes a while... Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Allen" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use > Hi all! Thanks for all the advice and recommendations! > > To those that have asked, I'm in texas, if you wish to know more details, > let me know in private..I'd prefer not to disclose my full location > publicly a this is the internet! I'm studying electrical engineering. > > Another question that was brought up was the restriction on my license. I > am restricted to daytime only driving. So not a huge restriction. > > I am looking for an O&m instructor, however the state resources havent > called me back just yet, and I can't actually go tothe office because of > my > work and school schedules. Any ideas on how to work around this, or is it > just a waiting game? > > Ashley > On Sep 3, 2013 8:25 AM, "I. C. Bray" wrote: > >> Yes, Ashley; >> I have to agree. There is one thing I neglected to mention, and that >> hasn't been said so far as well. >> >> Once you begin learning O&M with a cane, you MUST practice. You can not >> learn the skills, and prop the cane up in the corner- It must get used! >> If you ever end up needing a Guide Dog, it will be your cane skills plus >> your ability to learn and maneuver around obstacles with that cane that >> will be critical in getting your Guide Friend! >> >> The problem-solver in me says: "Prepare for the worst, Hope for the >> best!" >> >> Ian >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miso Kwak" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 9:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >> >> >> I strongly agree with Sophie's point. >>> I do not think you would have to necessarily notify your school's >>> disabilities office about your transition to cane because it would not >>> be a >>> big change for your classes or accessing facilities on the campus. >>> If you are a client of your state department of rehab, yiou probably can >>> ask them to provide you with an orientation and mobility instructor, so >>> that you can learn proper techniques for using the white cane. >>> Also, you might want to consider NFB training centers in a long run. >>> Best wishes >>> Miso >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Sophie Trist >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 6:49 pm >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >>> >>> Ashley, if you're steadily losing your vision, familiarizing >>> yourself with the use of a cane will be very helpful. It will >>> make things less difficult for you when you no longer have enough >>> vision to drive, and it will make it easier for you to navigate >>> campus without having to depend on tiny signs you can't read. >>> However, if you decide to begin learning cane use, I believe it >>> is important to have an O&M (orientation and mobility) teacher >>> help you learn proper techniques. I wish you the best of luck. >>> >>> Yours sincerely, >>> Sophie >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ashley Allen >>> >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date sent: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:36:31 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >>> >>> Hi all! >>> >>> Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new >>> to this >>> group and am a university student this year after transferring >>> from >>> community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic >>> amblyopia. I >>> still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily >>> getting >>> worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. >>> My >>> opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage >>> recently as I am >>> steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to >>> drive, with >>> restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that >>> I may >>> familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on >>> campus...I >>> tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... >>> >>> Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still >>> drive? >>> What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid >>> semester? >>> >>> I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, >>> as I want >>> to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Ashley >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> kwakmiso%40aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.** >>> bray%40win.net >>> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> abunchoflettersandnumbers%**40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Sep 3 15:22:26 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 08:22:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have had most instructors willing to print out my copy in large print but this semester I have one professor who does not want to. She would rather I take it home. These are open book in classes every class assignments. You have to look things up. It is not expected that you know it. For example taking several different 32 digit binary numbers and convert them to the corresponding assembly language instruction so we need to refer to text or our notes etc. I have asked her to provide me an electronic copy ahead of class, send to to DRC to have them large printed, print it out herself enlarged, have her undergraduate TA take it to a copy machine and enlarge on 11x17.I would prefer large print on 11x17. She said she would rather just give it to me in class, then I deal with getting it enlarged or use my CCTV at home and bring it back next class. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Jewel wrote: > I do tests in two ways. It it is a scheduled test, I get it sent to the > disability office to be made sure it is completely accessible, including > language settings, tables, alt tags for graphics. I don't usually use > double time unless there are many tactile images, like there were in > Biology, or I have to read it in Braille, like for mathematics, since I am > a slow Braille reader. Doing the test in the disability office ensures that > I have someone available if there are problems. I schedule to take the test > at the same time as everyone else unless I mean double time. > If it is a pop quiz, the professor puts his or her digital copy of the > quiz on a flash drive that I provide. The professors know from the > beginning of the semester that this is how we will do it, so they have the > digital copy ready. I put the flash drive in my laptop, put my answers in > the digital copy, then turn in the flash drive when the other student's > turn in their tests. The professor moves the file to their computer and > returns the flash drive by the end of class. They can then print it or > grade it in the digital file, and give me the graded paper or file. If they > grade it digitally, they usually email it to me. I prefer this to cut back > on the paper I have to keep up with. > I hope this method makes sense to you and it helps you figure out the best > method for yourself. Also, I use JAWS to do this, though for language class > I sometimes use my refreshable Braille display so I can see accents and > spelling. > -Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > > I have two course that at least weekly if no every lecture have in class > > quizzes or assignments. These are open book ,open notes, talk with other > > students, ask professor questions... > > > > How do you handle these. For example, are they provided to you in large > > print, braille, electronic? What if you are someone use uses extended > time > > on things like tests? What about the access to books? At home I use the > > print book with my cctv so I can flip to index then flip to page. This is > > not the same with the pdf. Also my monitor at home is 27 inches vs 17 on > my > > laptop so I am much faster on the large monitor. I have always been a > print > > reader and do not do well at all with audio. Since my vision is stable > > there was never a need to not use large print or cctv. I also find it > > difficult to work with other students since I can't see their work and > even > > when I say I am legally blind or visually impaired and ask if they can > > write bigger, they still write in their normal size which is too small > and > > with very like pencil. > > > > What are your techniques? Do you do it in class with an accessible > format? > > Do you take it home and return it next class? > > > > When I went to school years ago 1980s-1990s they did not do all this in > > class stuff. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Suzanne > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 15:24:44 2013 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:24:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone References: <70872C4CFACD455A87789BF738A7F697@Gloria><68C0881E448049FCB10CFAF4EDD01F86@Gloria> Message-ID: thank you! That is what I am working to do now. Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Gregory" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone > No you're not doing anything wrong, you're able to do saves of these files > with another platforms such as android, merely saying that for comparison > sake. At the moment, anyway, there's not anything I can think of to solve > this… You could perhaps email it to yourself and open it in your computer > and it will go into iTunes that way. Or suppose you could copy to the > clipboard after you have it in the computer and paste it into the > appropriate section. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 3, 2013, at 8:52 AM, "Gloria G" wrote: > >> hi, >> Thank you for this information. I am going to try this and see how far I >> get. I am not the smartest person when it comes to technology. LOL! Maybe >> there is one more thing you can assist me with. I had someone send me >> ring tones via text message and they came as media files in my text >> message which I was expecting, but when I go to open the message with the >> attached file, it opens it up as a video, and when I try to save it to my >> phone there is no save button but there is a action button which asks me >> to open up the media file in either messages or drop box. I can >> remember phones that I have had like the NV2, whenever I would get a pic, >> video, or any type of audio file, there would be an option to save the >> file to my phone, but I am not finding the same thing with the I-phone. I >> have tried emailing the files to myself so that I could open them and >> hopefully save them to my phone that way, but again, no luck because I am >> not getting an option to save the file to my phone. Am I doing something >> wrong? Again, I am not the most tech savvy person around. I am able to do >> the basic things I need to with my phone and computer, but am trying to >> expand my technological knowledge, if that makes since the way I said >> that. Sorry if these questions are becoming a pain, but I figured there >> would be someone out there a little better with the I-phone who could >> maybe help me. Thank you for any help you can give. >> Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexa Schwichow" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 4:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] downloading ring tones to I-phone >> >> >>> You have to go to iTunes, and to go to your iPhone on your computer. >>> After you click past all the radio buttons that say stuff like music, >>> Summary, info, etc, you will find a radio button that says apps. You >>> need to press the spacebar to check this button. Then, tab until you >>> hear file sharing. After this, you will find a list of apps that can >>> transfer files between your phone and your computer. Select the ring >>> tone app, tab over, and you will find a list of the files that this >>> application can share with your computer. Select the ring tone And tab >>> to the save as button. Save it in a folder, and then add it to your >>> iTunes library from that folder. This can be done by selecting file >>> greater then add file to library. I hope this helps. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 1, 2013, at 3:06 PM, "Gloria G" wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I hope you are well. I am trying to download ring tones to my I-phone >>>> and was wondering if someone could help me? I downloaded an app that >>>> allows me to download ring tones for free, but when I check my phone in >>>> the ring tones tab in settings the ring tones I downloaded are not >>>> there. I read in the app that the ring tones should show up in I-tunes, >>>> but when I go to downloads, they are not there. How can I download ring >>>> tones and transfer them to my phone to be able to find them when I go >>>> to settings and go to ring tones? Any suggestions would be appreciated. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Gloria >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ajschwichow%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Sep 3 15:25:57 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 08:25:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: She does want me to take it home. What I lose is the ability to work with classmates and ask her questions. So I gain accessibility but lose interaction and collaboration. Now I would probably choose accessibility as I dont' trust many other students answers lol. Sometimes if many students are asking the same questions she will work it out on the board. These are not tests per se but in classes open everything quizzes every single lecture. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Lucy Sirianni wrote: > Hi Suzanne, > > I requested that exams be emailed to me and took them in class on my > BrailleNote. I did not use extended time and simply emailed my completed > exam to the professor once I was done. > > That said, given your specific situation, I don't see why you > couldn't take the exams at home, with access to your CCTV, the larger > computer screen, etc, and email your responses to the professor within an > agreed-upon amount of time. A professor might hesitate to allow this > accommodation for closed-book exams, but given that you're expected to use > materials besides the exam anyway, I would think this would be permissible. > > Hope this helps! > > Lucy > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jewel > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > >> Date sent: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:32:29 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes >> > > I do tests in two ways. It it is a scheduled test, I get it sent >> > to the disability office to be made sure it is completely accessible, > including language settings, tables, alt tags for graphics. I don't > usually use double time unless there are many tactile images, like there > were in Biology, or I have to read it in Braille, like for mathematics, > since I am a slow Braille reader. Doing the test in the disability office > ensures that I have someone available if there are problems. I schedule to > take the test at the same time as everyone else unless I mean double time. > >> If it is a pop quiz, the professor puts his or her digital copy >> > of the quiz on a flash drive that I provide. The professors know from the > beginning of the semester that this is how we will do it, so they have the > digital copy ready. I put the flash drive in my laptop, put my answers in > the digital copy, then turn in the flash drive when the other student's > turn in their tests. The professor moves the file to their computer and > returns the flash drive by the end of class. They can then print it or > grade it in the digital file, and give me the graded paper or file. If > they grade it digitally, they usually email it to me. I prefer this to cut > back on the paper I have to keep up with. > >> I hope this method makes sense to you and it helps you figure out >> > the best method for yourself. Also, I use JAWS to do this, though for > language class I sometimes use my refreshable Braille display so I can see > accents and spelling. > >> -Jewel >> > > Sent from my iPhone >> > > On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Suzanne Germano >> > wrote: > > I have two course that at least weekly if no every lecture have >>> >> in class > >> quizzes or assignments. These are open book ,open notes, talk >>> >> with other > >> students, ask professor questions... >>> >> > How do you handle these. For example, are they provided to you >>> >> in large > >> print, braille, electronic? What if you are someone use uses >>> >> extended time > >> on things like tests? What about the access to books? At home I >>> >> use the > >> print book with my cctv so I can flip to index then flip to >>> >> page. This is > >> not the same with the pdf. Also my monitor at home is 27 inches >>> >> vs 17 on my > >> laptop so I am much faster on the large monitor. I have always >>> >> been a print > >> reader and do not do well at all with audio. Since my vision is >>> >> stable > >> there was never a need to not use large print or cctv. I also >>> >> find it > >> difficult to work with other students since I can't see their >>> >> work and even > >> when I say I am legally blind or visually impaired and ask if >>> >> they can > >> write bigger, they still write in their normal size which is >>> >> too small and > >> with very like pencil. >>> >> > What are your techniques? Do you do it in class with an >>> >> accessible format? > >> Do you take it home and return it next class? >>> >> > When I went to school years ago 1980s-1990s they did not do all >>> >> this in > >> class stuff. >>> >> > > Thanks >>> >> > Suzanne >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >> info for nabs-l: > >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**lucysirianni% >> > 40earthlink.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 15:27:24 2013 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 10:27:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Apple Vis Message-ID: Hi all, I was wondering if anyone has had troubles finding some of the apps on Apple Vis? I am trying to find the app titled, "Guide Talking Menu," which is the way it is displayed on the site, but when I search for it in the app store, there is no results. Is it under another name? It looks like it would be a very useful app and I would like to try it out. Gloria From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Sep 3 15:33:25 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 08:33:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use In-Reply-To: References: <52254006.252dec0a.28d9.fffffac7@mx.google.com> <8D076605D524486-EF0-448C7@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: One thing I want you to be prepared for, rude comments form people. It may not happen as much at college but when I used my cane in high school I heard crap literally daily. I was born legally blind so have usable vision. It is considerably worse outside due to day blindness. These were some things I heard... "You're not blind"\"Why are you pretending to be blind" "It's not sunny why the sunglasses" "Wearing sunglasses because you think you are cool" The school nurse said "You should not use your cane these halls are crowded and someone may trip" People would wave the hands in front of my eyes. Just be prepared. Being in the middle of sighted and totally blind is often very difficult. No one understands that you can't just get correction. I just want you to know you many have to be an advocate and explain it to people. There are other organizations besides the state you do O&M. For example in Arizona we have Foundation for blind Children and Southern Arizona Association of Visually impaired. Someplace like that may be able to help. Or local NFB. Suzanne On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Ashley Allen < abunchoflettersandnumbers at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all! Thanks for all the advice and recommendations! > > To those that have asked, I'm in texas, if you wish to know more details, > let me know in private..I'd prefer not to disclose my full location > publicly a this is the internet! I'm studying electrical engineering. > > Another question that was brought up was the restriction on my license. I > am restricted to daytime only driving. So not a huge restriction. > > I am looking for an O&m instructor, however the state resources havent > called me back just yet, and I can't actually go tothe office because of my > work and school schedules. Any ideas on how to work around this, or is it > just a waiting game? > > Ashley > On Sep 3, 2013 8:25 AM, "I. C. Bray" wrote: > > > Yes, Ashley; > > I have to agree. There is one thing I neglected to mention, and that > > hasn't been said so far as well. > > > > Once you begin learning O&M with a cane, you MUST practice. You can not > > learn the skills, and prop the cane up in the corner- It must get used! > > If you ever end up needing a Guide Dog, it will be your cane skills plus > > your ability to learn and maneuver around obstacles with that cane that > > will be critical in getting your Guide Friend! > > > > The problem-solver in me says: "Prepare for the worst, Hope for the > best!" > > > > Ian > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miso Kwak" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 9:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use > > > > > > I strongly agree with Sophie's point. > >> I do not think you would have to necessarily notify your school's > >> disabilities office about your transition to cane because it would not > be a > >> big change for your classes or accessing facilities on the campus. > >> If you are a client of your state department of rehab, yiou probably can > >> ask them to provide you with an orientation and mobility instructor, so > >> that you can learn proper techniques for using the white cane. > >> Also, you might want to consider NFB training centers in a long run. > >> Best wishes > >> Miso > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sophie Trist > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > >> Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 6:49 pm > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use > >> > >> Ashley, if you're steadily losing your vision, familiarizing > >> yourself with the use of a cane will be very helpful. It will > >> make things less difficult for you when you no longer have enough > >> vision to drive, and it will make it easier for you to navigate > >> campus without having to depend on tiny signs you can't read. > >> However, if you decide to begin learning cane use, I believe it > >> is important to have an O&M (orientation and mobility) teacher > >> help you learn proper techniques. I wish you the best of luck. > >> > >> Yours sincerely, > >> Sophie > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Ashley Allen abunchoflettersandnumbers at gmail.com> > >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> Date sent: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:36:31 -0500 > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use > >> > >> Hi all! > >> > >> Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new > >> to this > >> group and am a university student this year after transferring > >> from > >> community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic > >> amblyopia. I > >> still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily > >> getting > >> worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. > >> My > >> opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage > >> recently as I am > >> steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to > >> drive, with > >> restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that > >> I may > >> familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on > >> campus...I > >> tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... > >> > >> Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still > >> drive? > >> What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid > >> semester? > >> > >> I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, > >> as I want > >> to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be > >> appreciated. > >> > >> Ashley > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> for nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sweetpeareade< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade> > >> r%40gmail.com > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >> kwakmiso%40aol.com< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.** > >> bray%40win.net< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net> > >> > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > > abunchoflettersandnumbers%**40gmail.com< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/abunchoflettersandnumbers%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From annajee82 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 18:22:21 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 13:22:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use In-Reply-To: References: <52254006.252dec0a.28d9.fffffac7@mx.google.com> <8D076605D524486-EF0-448C7@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Definitely keep up with the state resources. But in the mean time, there are plenty of excellent cane users who can help! You are in Texas - lots of resources there. I will give you some off-list. Anna E Givens On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Ashley Allen wrote: > Hi all! Thanks for all the advice and recommendations! > > To those that have asked, I'm in texas, if you wish to know more details, > let me know in private..I'd prefer not to disclose my full location > publicly a this is the internet! I'm studying electrical engineering. > > Another question that was brought up was the restriction on my license. I > am restricted to daytime only driving. So not a huge restriction. > > I am looking for an O&m instructor, however the state resources havent > called me back just yet, and I can't actually go tothe office because of my > work and school schedules. Any ideas on how to work around this, or is it > just a waiting game? > > Ashley > On Sep 3, 2013 8:25 AM, "I. C. Bray" wrote: > >> Yes, Ashley; >> I have to agree. There is one thing I neglected to mention, and that >> hasn't been said so far as well. >> >> Once you begin learning O&M with a cane, you MUST practice. You can not >> learn the skills, and prop the cane up in the corner- It must get used! >> If you ever end up needing a Guide Dog, it will be your cane skills plus >> your ability to learn and maneuver around obstacles with that cane that >> will be critical in getting your Guide Friend! >> >> The problem-solver in me says: "Prepare for the worst, Hope for the best!" >> >> Ian >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miso Kwak" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 9:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >> >> >> I strongly agree with Sophie's point. >>> I do not think you would have to necessarily notify your school's >>> disabilities office about your transition to cane because it would not be a >>> big change for your classes or accessing facilities on the campus. >>> If you are a client of your state department of rehab, yiou probably can >>> ask them to provide you with an orientation and mobility instructor, so >>> that you can learn proper techniques for using the white cane. >>> Also, you might want to consider NFB training centers in a long run. >>> Best wishes >>> Miso >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Sophie Trist >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 6:49 pm >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >>> >>> Ashley, if you're steadily losing your vision, familiarizing >>> yourself with the use of a cane will be very helpful. It will >>> make things less difficult for you when you no longer have enough >>> vision to drive, and it will make it easier for you to navigate >>> campus without having to depend on tiny signs you can't read. >>> However, if you decide to begin learning cane use, I believe it >>> is important to have an O&M (orientation and mobility) teacher >>> help you learn proper techniques. I wish you the best of luck. >>> >>> Yours sincerely, >>> Sophie >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ashley Allen >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date sent: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:36:31 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >>> >>> Hi all! >>> >>> Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new >>> to this >>> group and am a university student this year after transferring >>> from >>> community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic >>> amblyopia. I >>> still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily >>> getting >>> worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. >>> My >>> opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage >>> recently as I am >>> steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to >>> drive, with >>> restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that >>> I may >>> familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on >>> campus...I >>> tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... >>> >>> Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still >>> drive? >>> What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid >>> semester? >>> >>> I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, >>> as I want >>> to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Ashley >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> kwakmiso%40aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.** >>> bray%40win.net >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> abunchoflettersandnumbers%**40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 19:41:52 2013 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina Cruz) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 15:41:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking input on handling my first community outreach event Message-ID: Good afternoon fellow NABSters, I hope your semesters are kicking off to a productive start. For anyone who has experiences with large gatherings and community events, I need a boost of confidents or an honest observations of challenges you may have faced in large settings. I'm in my last semester toward a bachelors of social Work degree which requires completing an internship. In a few weeks I'll be one of many ambassadors at a community event for homeless people. Homeless Project Connect brings together as many services possible for a person who is homeless with the end goal of finding them the help they may need. The event will be held in a large complex on two floors with booths and tables. As an ambassador we are asked to write down information about the person in a designated folder as they go throughout the process of obtaining the specific services they need. For instance, if they need a birth certificate, I will be responsible for walking with them to the Vital Statistics table as well as helping them fill out the information form at Vital Stats. As long as I could have the forms sent to me in an electronic form, I've considered using my laptop, however my battery does not hold a charge very well. How would you handle this type of situation? I don't mind asking questions to find specific tables, but what if my client walks away from me and I can't find him or her? Since everyone will be writing notes on each person they assist, information they requested, observations about the person, or questions the person may have so the coordinator can follow up with each client, how could I effectively complete this task? Thank you all for your input and advice. Best wishes for fall 2013! -- Anjelina From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 21:06:26 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:06:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking input on handling my first community outreach event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Anjelina, I have to say that I have never encountered this challenge, so thanks for writing about it to get us thinking! Do you happen to have a smartphone with a blue tooth keyboard? I have an iPhone with a bluetooth keyboard that is very small yet the keys are discernable. It is the one sold by A T Guys, shameless plug. Anyway, if you have those things, that could be a seamless option. You could write "notes" and email them to yourself, edit them, and then send them to your supervisor. If you do not have these tools then perhaps a braille notetaker or a tablet would also be portable enough. I think that you should just try to effectively communicate with your clients. Just explain to them that you are excited to work with them and that you are blind and it would be helpful if they stay close to you while navigating the tables...I am sure that there is a more eloquent way of presenting this than what I wrote in 2 seconds. But another strategy is to just keep up a conversation. If you are asking questions and exchanging dialogue, then you will always know where they are. Similarly, they will have incentive to stay near you so they can continue the conversation. Cindy On 9/3/13, Anjelina Cruz wrote: > Good afternoon fellow NABSters, > I hope your semesters are kicking off to a productive start. For > anyone who has experiences with large gatherings and community events, > I need a boost of confidents or an honest observations of challenges > you may have faced in large settings. > I'm in my last semester toward a bachelors of social Work degree which > requires completing an internship. In a few weeks I'll be one of many > ambassadors at a community event for homeless people. Homeless Project > Connect brings together as many services possible for a person who is > homeless with the end goal of finding them the help they may need. > The event will be held in a large complex on two floors with booths > and tables. As an ambassador we are asked to write down information > about the person in a designated folder as they go throughout the > process of obtaining the specific services they need. For instance, if > they need a birth certificate, I will be responsible for walking with > them to the Vital Statistics table as well as helping them fill out > the information form at Vital Stats. > > As long as I could have the forms sent to me in an electronic form, > I've considered using my laptop, however my battery does not hold a > charge very well. How would you handle this type of situation? I > don't mind asking questions to find specific tables, but what if my > client walks away from me and I can't find him or her? > Since everyone will be writing notes on each person they assist, > information they requested, observations about the person, or > questions the person may have so the coordinator can follow up with > each client, how could I effectively complete this task? > > Thank you all for your input and advice. > Best wishes for fall 2013! > -- > Anjelina > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 21:24:14 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:24:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes Message-ID: <52265381.86a4ec0a.1a5b.ffff81c3@mx.google.com> Suzanne, I don't believe that what your professor is doing is fair to you. Besides the loss of peer and professor interaction, you lose valuable time in class. This causes you to have more to do at home than your fellow classmates. I know that extra homework is sometimes a necessary evil, but in this case, it can be avoided so easily. I don't see why your professor can't either print it out in large print or provide you with an electronic copy. These are just my thoughts. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Germano wrote: I do tests in two ways. It it is a scheduled test, I get it sent to the disability office to be made sure it is completely accessible, including language settings, tables, alt tags for graphics. I don't usually use double time unless there are many tactile images, like there were in Biology, or I have to read it in Braille, like for mathematics, since I am a slow Braille reader. Doing the test in the disability office ensures that I have someone available if there are problems. I schedule to take the test at the same time as everyone else unless I mean double time. If it is a pop quiz, the professor puts his or her digital copy of the quiz on a flash drive that I provide. The professors know from the beginning of the semester that this is how we will do it, so they have the digital copy ready. I put the flash drive in my laptop, put my answers in the digital copy, then turn in the flash drive when the other student's turn in their tests. The professor moves the file to their computer and returns the flash drive by the end of class. They can then print it or grade it in the digital file, and give me the graded paper or file. If they grade it digitally, they usually email it to me. I prefer this to cut back on the paper I have to keep up with. I hope this method makes sense to you and it helps you figure out the best method for yourself. Also, I use JAWS to do this, though for language class I sometimes use my refreshable Braille display so I can see accents and spelling. -Jewel Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: I have two course that at least weekly if no every lecture have in class quizzes or assignments. These are open book ,open notes, talk with other students, ask professor questions... How do you handle these. For example, are they provided to you in large print, braille, electronic? What if you are someone use uses extended time on things like tests? What about the access to books? At home I use the print book with my cctv so I can flip to index then flip to page. This is not the same with the pdf. Also my monitor at home is 27 inches vs 17 on my laptop so I am much faster on the large monitor. I have always been a print reader and do not do well at all with audio. Since my vision is stable there was never a need to not use large print or cctv. I also find it difficult to work with other students since I can't see their work and even when I say I am legally blind or visually impaired and ask if they can write bigger, they still write in their normal size which is too small and with very like pencil. What are your techniques? Do you do it in class with an accessible format? Do you take it home and return it next class? When I went to school years ago 1980s-1990s they did not do all this in class stuff. Thanks Suzanne _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as u.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 21:26:54 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 17:26:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007d01cea8ec$50a39890$f1eac9b0$@gmail.com> If it is better for you to have it ahead of time, then that is how you should have it. If you can get by and you don't mind doing it that way, then that's fine, but elsewise, you should get it in a way that you can best handle the quiz. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:22 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes I have had most instructors willing to print out my copy in large print but this semester I have one professor who does not want to. She would rather I take it home. These are open book in classes every class assignments. You have to look things up. It is not expected that you know it. For example taking several different 32 digit binary numbers and convert them to the corresponding assembly language instruction so we need to refer to text or our notes etc. I have asked her to provide me an electronic copy ahead of class, send to to DRC to have them large printed, print it out herself enlarged, have her undergraduate TA take it to a copy machine and enlarge on 11x17.I would prefer large print on 11x17. She said she would rather just give it to me in class, then I deal with getting it enlarged or use my CCTV at home and bring it back next class. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Jewel wrote: > I do tests in two ways. It it is a scheduled test, I get it sent to > the disability office to be made sure it is completely accessible, > including language settings, tables, alt tags for graphics. I don't > usually use double time unless there are many tactile images, like > there were in Biology, or I have to read it in Braille, like for > mathematics, since I am a slow Braille reader. Doing the test in the > disability office ensures that I have someone available if there are > problems. I schedule to take the test at the same time as everyone else unless I mean double time. > If it is a pop quiz, the professor puts his or her digital copy of the > quiz on a flash drive that I provide. The professors know from the > beginning of the semester that this is how we will do it, so they have > the digital copy ready. I put the flash drive in my laptop, put my > answers in the digital copy, then turn in the flash drive when the > other student's turn in their tests. The professor moves the file to > their computer and returns the flash drive by the end of class. They > can then print it or grade it in the digital file, and give me the > graded paper or file. If they grade it digitally, they usually email > it to me. I prefer this to cut back on the paper I have to keep up with. > I hope this method makes sense to you and it helps you figure out the > best method for yourself. Also, I use JAWS to do this, though for > language class I sometimes use my refreshable Braille display so I can > see accents and spelling. > -Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > > I have two course that at least weekly if no every lecture have in > > class quizzes or assignments. These are open book ,open notes, talk > > with other students, ask professor questions... > > > > How do you handle these. For example, are they provided to you in > > large print, braille, electronic? What if you are someone use uses > > extended > time > > on things like tests? What about the access to books? At home I use > > the print book with my cctv so I can flip to index then flip to > > page. This is not the same with the pdf. Also my monitor at home is > > 27 inches vs 17 on > my > > laptop so I am much faster on the large monitor. I have always been > > a > print > > reader and do not do well at all with audio. Since my vision is > > stable there was never a need to not use large print or cctv. I also > > find it difficult to work with other students since I can't see > > their work and > even > > when I say I am legally blind or visually impaired and ask if they > > can write bigger, they still write in their normal size which is > > too small > and > > with very like pencil. > > > > What are your techniques? Do you do it in class with an accessible > format? > > Do you take it home and return it next class? > > > > When I went to school years ago 1980s-1990s they did not do all this > > in class stuff. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Suzanne > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gm > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Sep 3 21:27:38 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 14:27:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes In-Reply-To: <52265381.86a4ec0a.1a5b.ffff81c3@mx.google.com> References: <52265381.86a4ec0a.1a5b.ffff81c3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I agree. She would not give me a reason which leads me to believe she is just lazy and does not want to do anything extra. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Suzanne, I don't believe that what your professor is doing is fair to you. > Besides the loss of peer and professor interaction, you lose valuable time > in class. This causes you to have more to do at home than your fellow > classmates. I know that extra homework is sometimes a necessary evil, but > in this case, it can be avoided so easily. I don't see why your professor > can't either print it out in large print or provide you with an electronic > copy. These are just my thoughts. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzanne Germano To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 08:22:26 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes > > I have had most instructors willing to print out my copy in large print but > this semester I have one professor who does not want to. She would rather I > take it home. These are open book in classes every class assignments. You > have to look things up. It is not expected that you know it. For example > taking several different 32 digit binary numbers and convert them to the > corresponding assembly language instruction so we need to refer to text or > our notes etc. > > I have asked her to provide me an electronic copy ahead of class, send to > to DRC to have them large printed, print it out herself enlarged, have her > undergraduate TA take it to a copy machine and enlarge on 11x17.I would > prefer large print on 11x17. She said she would rather just give it to me > in class, then I deal with getting it enlarged or use my CCTV at home and > bring it back next class. > > > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Jewel wrote: > > I do tests in two ways. It it is a scheduled test, I get it sent to the > disability office to be made sure it is completely accessible, including > language settings, tables, alt tags for graphics. I don't usually use > double time unless there are many tactile images, like there were in > Biology, or I have to read it in Braille, like for mathematics, since I am > a slow Braille reader. Doing the test in the disability office ensures that > I have someone available if there are problems. I schedule to take the test > at the same time as everyone else unless I mean double time. > If it is a pop quiz, the professor puts his or her digital copy of the > quiz on a flash drive that I provide. The professors know from the > beginning of the semester that this is how we will do it, so they have the > digital copy ready. I put the flash drive in my laptop, put my answers in > the digital copy, then turn in the flash drive when the other student's > turn in their tests. The professor moves the file to their computer and > returns the flash drive by the end of class. They can then print it or > grade it in the digital file, and give me the graded paper or file. If they > grade it digitally, they usually email it to me. I prefer this to cut back > on the paper I have to keep up with. > I hope this method makes sense to you and it helps you figure out the best > method for yourself. Also, I use JAWS to do this, though for language class > I sometimes use my refreshable Braille display so I can see accents and > spelling. > -Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > I have two course that at least weekly if no every lecture have in class > quizzes or assignments. These are open book ,open notes, talk with other > students, ask professor questions... > > How do you handle these. For example, are they provided to you in large > print, braille, electronic? What if you are someone use uses extended > time > on things like tests? What about the access to books? At home I use the > print book with my cctv so I can flip to index then flip to page. This is > not the same with the pdf. Also my monitor at home is 27 inches vs 17 on > my > laptop so I am much faster on the large monitor. I have always been a > print > reader and do not do well at all with audio. Since my vision is stable > there was never a need to not use large print or cctv. I also find it > difficult to work with other students since I can't see their work and > even > when I say I am legally blind or visually impaired and ask if they can > write bigger, they still write in their normal size which is too small > and > with very like pencil. > > What are your techniques? Do you do it in class with an accessible > format? > Do you take it home and return it next class? > > When I went to school years ago 1980s-1990s they did not do all this in > class stuff. > > > Thanks > > Suzanne > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40as > u.edu > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 21:29:01 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 17:29:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes In-Reply-To: References: <52265381.86a4ec0a.1a5b.ffff81c3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <008501cea8ec$9c287b50$d47971f0$@gmail.com> Tell the disability office and see what they say. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 5:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes I agree. She would not give me a reason which leads me to believe she is just lazy and does not want to do anything extra. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Suzanne, I don't believe that what your professor is doing is fair to you. > Besides the loss of peer and professor interaction, you lose valuable > time in class. This causes you to have more to do at home than your > fellow classmates. I know that extra homework is sometimes a necessary > evil, but in this case, it can be avoided so easily. I don't see why > your professor can't either print it out in large print or provide you > with an electronic copy. These are just my thoughts. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzanne Germano To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes > > I have had most instructors willing to print out my copy in large > print but this semester I have one professor who does not want to. She > would rather I take it home. These are open book in classes every > class assignments. You have to look things up. It is not expected that > you know it. For example taking several different 32 digit binary > numbers and convert them to the corresponding assembly language > instruction so we need to refer to text or our notes etc. > > I have asked her to provide me an electronic copy ahead of class, send > to to DRC to have them large printed, print it out herself enlarged, > have her undergraduate TA take it to a copy machine and enlarge on > 11x17.I would prefer large print on 11x17. She said she would rather > just give it to me in class, then I deal with getting it enlarged or > use my CCTV at home and bring it back next class. > > > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Jewel wrote: > > I do tests in two ways. It it is a scheduled test, I get it sent to > the disability office to be made sure it is completely accessible, > including language settings, tables, alt tags for graphics. I don't > usually use double time unless there are many tactile images, like > there were in Biology, or I have to read it in Braille, like for > mathematics, since I am a slow Braille reader. Doing the test in the > disability office ensures that I have someone available if there are > problems. I schedule to take the test at the same time as everyone else unless I mean double time. > If it is a pop quiz, the professor puts his or her digital copy of the > quiz on a flash drive that I provide. The professors know from the > beginning of the semester that this is how we will do it, so they have > the digital copy ready. I put the flash drive in my laptop, put my > answers in the digital copy, then turn in the flash drive when the > other student's turn in their tests. The professor moves the file to > their computer and returns the flash drive by the end of class. They > can then print it or grade it in the digital file, and give me the > graded paper or file. If they grade it digitally, they usually email > it to me. I prefer this to cut back on the paper I have to keep up with. > I hope this method makes sense to you and it helps you figure out the > best method for yourself. Also, I use JAWS to do this, though for > language class I sometimes use my refreshable Braille display so I can > see accents and spelling. > -Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > I have two course that at least weekly if no every lecture have in > class quizzes or assignments. These are open book ,open notes, talk > with other students, ask professor questions... > > How do you handle these. For example, are they provided to you in > large print, braille, electronic? What if you are someone use uses > extended time on things like tests? What about the access to books? At > home I use the print book with my cctv so I can flip to index then > flip to page. This is not the same with the pdf. Also my monitor at > home is 27 inches vs 17 on my laptop so I am much faster on the large > monitor. I have always been a print reader and do not do well at all > with audio. Since my vision is stable there was never a need to not > use large print or cctv. I also find it difficult to work with other > students since I can't see their work and even when I say I am legally > blind or visually impaired and ask if they can write bigger, they > still write in their normal size which is too small and with very > like pencil. > > What are your techniques? Do you do it in class with an accessible > format? > Do you take it home and return it next class? > > When I went to school years ago 1980s-1990s they did not do all this > in class stuff. > > > Thanks > > Suzanne > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**herekittykat2< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2> > %40gmail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40as< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as> > u.edu > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sweetpeareade< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade> > r%40gmail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu > .edu u.edu> > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From opensesame at me.com Tue Sep 3 23:24:18 2013 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 19:24:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Apple Vis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gloria -- Applevis App reviews contain a link you can click to take you to the iTunes page for the App. I clicked that link in the Applevis review for "Guide Talking Menus" and it launched iTunes and informed me the App is not available in the US App store and asked if I wanted to switch to the UK App Store to view the App's page. If you live in the US I'm pretty sure you will not be able to purchase the app from the UK store; however, if you read through the comments in the Applevis review you will find a few alternative suggestions for US residents. HTH, Bryan On Sep 3, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Gloria G wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has had troubles finding some of the apps on Apple Vis? I am trying to find the app titled, "Guide Talking Menu," which is the way it is displayed on the site, but when I search for it in the app store, there is no results. Is it under another name? It looks like it would be a very useful app and I would like to try it out. From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Sep 3 23:42:24 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 16:42:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] rewh google chrome In-Reply-To: <5220109C.2030102@tysdomain.com> References: <5220101d.0575320a.0c4f.39db@mx.google.com> <5220109C.2030102@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <73FBFE84-BF72-45BE-A25A-F1A5488C0428@gmail.com> Do you think there is a difference between JAWS 13 and 14? Because I have had terrible luck using Chrome and use JAWS 13.with JAWS. Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 29, 2013, at 8:25 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote: > > Uh, how exactly is jaws not friendly with firefox but google chrome is? You might want to rethink that answer. Support for firefox has been in forever now, and google chrome is only getting there. it's still got some minor issues, even with the latest Jaws 14. >> On 8/29/2013 11:28 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >> Hello, >> Yes, depending on which version of JAWS you are using, google chrome is accessible. I use JAWS 14 and find it to be fairly accessible. As for shortcuts, I think they're the same as in Internet Explorer. If you go to google and type in a search such as "keyboard shortcuts for google chrome," you might find a web site that lists them. No, google docs and google drive are not accessible. I would not recommend that anyone use Firefox though, it's not really that JAWS friendly. >> Thanks, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com From i.c.bray at win.net Tue Sep 3 23:50:11 2013 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:50:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rewh google chrome References: <5220101d.0575320a.0c4f.39db@mx.google.com><5220109C.2030102@tysdomain.com> <73FBFE84-BF72-45BE-A25A-F1A5488C0428@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2EBB121A53764CA1AD76D6BC72359C3F@JAWS> Cindy, I have found minor differences between JAWS 11 and JAWS 13. I'm still going thru the training, and what's new readers. Most of what I hear is different, is probably stuff that will get bug-fixed-- hopefully. Who knows. If you find things that are different, write them down, post them, and even seriously consider calling Freedom Scientific. Some may be easilly resolved and you'll look like a genius!! LOL! Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" To: "mailing list National Association of Blind Students" Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rewh google chrome > Do you think there is a difference between JAWS 13 and 14? Because I have > had terrible luck using Chrome and use JAWS 13.with JAWS. > > Cindy Bennett > > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 29, 2013, at 8:25 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler" >> wrote: >> >> Uh, how exactly is jaws not friendly with firefox but google chrome is? >> You might want to rethink that answer. Support for firefox has been in >> forever now, and google chrome is only getting there. it's still got some >> minor issues, even with the latest Jaws 14. >>> On 8/29/2013 11:28 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >>> Hello, >>> Yes, depending on which version of JAWS you are using, google chrome is >>> accessible. I use JAWS 14 and find it to be fairly accessible. As for >>> shortcuts, I think they're the same as in Internet Explorer. If you go >>> to google and type in a search such as "keyboard shortcuts for google >>> chrome," you might find a web site that lists them. No, google docs and >>> google drive are not accessible. I would not recommend that anyone use >>> Firefox though, it's not really that JAWS friendly. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >> >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >> that dares not reason is a slave. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 01:50:45 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:50:45 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes In-Reply-To: <008501cea8ec$9c287b50$d47971f0$@gmail.com> References: <52265381.86a4ec0a.1a5b.ffff81c3@mx.google.com> <008501cea8ec$9c287b50$d47971f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Suzanne and all, If you are allowed to talk with classmates about your answers, why not have the quiz sent to you before class, then bring it with you to class and discuss with other students? Or, is there a way you can use a program like ZoomText to enlarge the electronic text so you can see it on your laptop? Arielle On 9/3/13, justin williams wrote: > Tell the disability office and see what they say. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > Germano > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 5:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes > > I agree. She would not give me a reason which leads me to believe she is > just lazy and does not want to do anything extra. > > > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Sophie Trist > wrote: > >> Suzanne, I don't believe that what your professor is doing is fair to >> you. >> Besides the loss of peer and professor interaction, you lose valuable >> time in class. This causes you to have more to do at home than your >> fellow classmates. I know that extra homework is sometimes a necessary >> evil, but in this case, it can be avoided so easily. I don't see why >> your professor can't either print it out in large print or provide you >> with an electronic copy. These are just my thoughts. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Suzanne Germano > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes >> >> I have had most instructors willing to print out my copy in large >> print but this semester I have one professor who does not want to. She >> would rather I take it home. These are open book in classes every >> class assignments. You have to look things up. It is not expected that >> you know it. For example taking several different 32 digit binary >> numbers and convert them to the corresponding assembly language >> instruction so we need to refer to text or our notes etc. >> >> I have asked her to provide me an electronic copy ahead of class, send >> to to DRC to have them large printed, print it out herself enlarged, >> have her undergraduate TA take it to a copy machine and enlarge on >> 11x17.I would prefer large print on 11x17. She said she would rather >> just give it to me in class, then I deal with getting it enlarged or >> use my CCTV at home and bring it back next class. >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Jewel wrote: >> >> I do tests in two ways. It it is a scheduled test, I get it sent to >> the disability office to be made sure it is completely accessible, >> including language settings, tables, alt tags for graphics. I don't >> usually use double time unless there are many tactile images, like >> there were in Biology, or I have to read it in Braille, like for >> mathematics, since I am a slow Braille reader. Doing the test in the >> disability office ensures that I have someone available if there are >> problems. I schedule to take the test at the same time as everyone else > unless I mean double time. >> If it is a pop quiz, the professor puts his or her digital copy of the >> quiz on a flash drive that I provide. The professors know from the >> beginning of the semester that this is how we will do it, so they have >> the digital copy ready. I put the flash drive in my laptop, put my >> answers in the digital copy, then turn in the flash drive when the >> other student's turn in their tests. The professor moves the file to >> their computer and returns the flash drive by the end of class. They >> can then print it or grade it in the digital file, and give me the >> graded paper or file. If they grade it digitally, they usually email >> it to me. I prefer this to cut back on the paper I have to keep up with. >> I hope this method makes sense to you and it helps you figure out the >> best method for yourself. Also, I use JAWS to do this, though for >> language class I sometimes use my refreshable Braille display so I can >> see accents and spelling. >> -Jewel >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> >> I have two course that at least weekly if no every lecture have in >> class quizzes or assignments. These are open book ,open notes, talk >> with other students, ask professor questions... >> >> How do you handle these. For example, are they provided to you in >> large print, braille, electronic? What if you are someone use uses >> extended time on things like tests? What about the access to books? At >> home I use the print book with my cctv so I can flip to index then >> flip to page. This is not the same with the pdf. Also my monitor at >> home is 27 inches vs 17 on my laptop so I am much faster on the large >> monitor. I have always been a print reader and do not do well at all >> with audio. Since my vision is stable there was never a need to not >> use large print or cctv. I also find it difficult to work with other >> students since I can't see their work and even when I say I am legally >> blind or visually impaired and ask if they can write bigger, they >> still write in their normal size which is too small and with very >> like pencil. >> >> What are your techniques? Do you do it in class with an accessible >> format? >> Do you take it home and return it next class? >> >> When I went to school years ago 1980s-1990s they did not do all this >> in class stuff. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Suzanne >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**herekittykat2< >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2> >> %40gmail.com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40as< >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as> >> u.edu >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sweetpeareade< >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade> >> r%40gmail.com >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu >> .edu> u.edu> >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 01:54:40 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:54:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking input on handling my first community outreach event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Agreed, and you could also borrow a friend's laptop that has a good battery and put a demo copy of JAWS on it for the day, or perhaps you could buy a new battery for your laptop on Amazon. I saw a battery on Amazon for my old laptop that was much cheaper than what the manufacturer was charging. A Braille Note or similar device would also work well. Arielle On 9/3/13, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Hi Anjelina, > > I have to say that I have never encountered this challenge, so thanks > for writing about it to get us thinking! > > Do you happen to have a smartphone with a blue tooth keyboard? I have > an iPhone with a bluetooth keyboard that is very small yet the keys > are discernable. It is the one sold by A T Guys, shameless plug. > Anyway, if you have those things, that could be a seamless option. > You could write "notes" and email them to yourself, edit them, and > then send them to your supervisor. > > If you do not have these tools then perhaps a braille notetaker or a > tablet would also be portable enough. > > I think that you should just try to effectively communicate with your > clients. Just explain to them that you are excited to work with them > and that you are blind and it would be helpful if they stay close to > you while navigating the tables...I am sure that there is a more > eloquent way of presenting this than what I wrote in 2 seconds. But > another strategy is to just keep up a conversation. If you are asking > questions and exchanging dialogue, then you will always know where > they are. Similarly, they will have incentive to stay near you so they > can continue the conversation. > > Cindy > > On 9/3/13, Anjelina Cruz wrote: >> Good afternoon fellow NABSters, >> I hope your semesters are kicking off to a productive start. For >> anyone who has experiences with large gatherings and community events, >> I need a boost of confidents or an honest observations of challenges >> you may have faced in large settings. >> I'm in my last semester toward a bachelors of social Work degree which >> requires completing an internship. In a few weeks I'll be one of many >> ambassadors at a community event for homeless people. Homeless Project >> Connect brings together as many services possible for a person who is >> homeless with the end goal of finding them the help they may need. >> The event will be held in a large complex on two floors with booths >> and tables. As an ambassador we are asked to write down information >> about the person in a designated folder as they go throughout the >> process of obtaining the specific services they need. For instance, if >> they need a birth certificate, I will be responsible for walking with >> them to the Vital Statistics table as well as helping them fill out >> the information form at Vital Stats. >> >> As long as I could have the forms sent to me in an electronic form, >> I've considered using my laptop, however my battery does not hold a >> charge very well. How would you handle this type of situation? I >> don't mind asking questions to find specific tables, but what if my >> client walks away from me and I can't find him or her? >> Since everyone will be writing notes on each person they assist, >> information they requested, observations about the person, or >> questions the person may have so the coordinator can follow up with >> each client, how could I effectively complete this task? >> >> Thank you all for your input and advice. >> Best wishes for fall 2013! >> -- >> Anjelina >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From sgermano at asu.edu Wed Sep 4 02:05:41 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 19:05:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes In-Reply-To: References: <52265381.86a4ec0a.1a5b.ffff81c3@mx.google.com> <008501cea8ec$9c287b50$d47971f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Disabled student services must have talked with her because I got a large print copy today. When I met with her before the semester started she never said why she would not email it right before class. I think she will find the few seconds it takes her to print out mine with a larger font will make life easier on her in the long run since she won't be grading mine separately a few days after the rest of the class. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Suzanne and all, > > If you are allowed to talk with classmates about your answers, why not > have the quiz sent to you before class, then bring it with you to > class and discuss with other students? Or, is there a way you can use > a program like ZoomText to enlarge the electronic text so you can see > it on your laptop? > > Arielle > > On 9/3/13, justin williams wrote: > > Tell the disability office and see what they say. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > > Germano > > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 5:28 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes > > > > I agree. She would not give me a reason which leads me to believe she is > > just lazy and does not want to do anything extra. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Sophie Trist > > wrote: > > > >> Suzanne, I don't believe that what your professor is doing is fair to > >> you. > >> Besides the loss of peer and professor interaction, you lose valuable > >> time in class. This causes you to have more to do at home than your > >> fellow classmates. I know that extra homework is sometimes a necessary > >> evil, but in this case, it can be avoided so easily. I don't see why > >> your professor can't either print it out in large print or provide you > >> with an electronic copy. These are just my thoughts. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Suzanne Germano >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] In class assignments and popquizzes > >> > >> I have had most instructors willing to print out my copy in large > >> print but this semester I have one professor who does not want to. She > >> would rather I take it home. These are open book in classes every > >> class assignments. You have to look things up. It is not expected that > >> you know it. For example taking several different 32 digit binary > >> numbers and convert them to the corresponding assembly language > >> instruction so we need to refer to text or our notes etc. > >> > >> I have asked her to provide me an electronic copy ahead of class, send > >> to to DRC to have them large printed, print it out herself enlarged, > >> have her undergraduate TA take it to a copy machine and enlarge on > >> 11x17.I would prefer large print on 11x17. She said she would rather > >> just give it to me in class, then I deal with getting it enlarged or > >> use my CCTV at home and bring it back next class. > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Jewel wrote: > >> > >> I do tests in two ways. It it is a scheduled test, I get it sent to > >> the disability office to be made sure it is completely accessible, > >> including language settings, tables, alt tags for graphics. I don't > >> usually use double time unless there are many tactile images, like > >> there were in Biology, or I have to read it in Braille, like for > >> mathematics, since I am a slow Braille reader. Doing the test in the > >> disability office ensures that I have someone available if there are > >> problems. I schedule to take the test at the same time as everyone else > > unless I mean double time. > >> If it is a pop quiz, the professor puts his or her digital copy of the > >> quiz on a flash drive that I provide. The professors know from the > >> beginning of the semester that this is how we will do it, so they have > >> the digital copy ready. I put the flash drive in my laptop, put my > >> answers in the digital copy, then turn in the flash drive when the > >> other student's turn in their tests. The professor moves the file to > >> their computer and returns the flash drive by the end of class. They > >> can then print it or grade it in the digital file, and give me the > >> graded paper or file. If they grade it digitally, they usually email > >> it to me. I prefer this to cut back on the paper I have to keep up with. > >> I hope this method makes sense to you and it helps you figure out the > >> best method for yourself. Also, I use JAWS to do this, though for > >> language class I sometimes use my refreshable Braille display so I can > >> see accents and spelling. > >> -Jewel > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > >> > >> I have two course that at least weekly if no every lecture have in > >> class quizzes or assignments. These are open book ,open notes, talk > >> with other students, ask professor questions... > >> > >> How do you handle these. For example, are they provided to you in > >> large print, braille, electronic? What if you are someone use uses > >> extended time on things like tests? What about the access to books? At > >> home I use the print book with my cctv so I can flip to index then > >> flip to page. This is not the same with the pdf. Also my monitor at > >> home is 27 inches vs 17 on my laptop so I am much faster on the large > >> monitor. I have always been a print reader and do not do well at all > >> with audio. Since my vision is stable there was never a need to not > >> use large print or cctv. I also find it difficult to work with other > >> students since I can't see their work and even when I say I am legally > >> blind or visually impaired and ask if they can write bigger, they > >> still write in their normal size which is too small and with very > >> like pencil. > >> > >> What are your techniques? Do you do it in class with an accessible > >> format? > >> Do you take it home and return it next class? > >> > >> When I went to school years ago 1980s-1990s they did not do all this > >> in class stuff. > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Suzanne > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**herekittykat2< > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2> > >> %40gmail.com > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40as< > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40as> > >> u.edu > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sweetpeareade< > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade> > >> r%40gmail.com > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> rg/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu > >> .edu >> u.edu> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > > .com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 02:08:50 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:08:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use In-Reply-To: References: <52254006.252dec0a.28d9.fffffac7@mx.google.com> <8D076605D524486-EF0-448C7@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, Glad to see you are thinking about using a cane. Lots of folks in your situation would be resistant to the idea. O&M training is nice, but there is nothing wrong with just getting a free NFB cane and practicing with it on your own. The actual mechanics of walking with a cane are not complicated. You simply tap it in front of you from side to side in rhythm with your steps to anticipate what is in front of you. There are tricks to make the cane sweep more efficient, but that is the basic gist and something you can practice on your own. You probably have enough vision to be able to imitate someone from the NFB or elsewhere who is a good cane traveler. Or better yet, see if you can meet up with another blind person and have them show you the basic technique. Students at the centers can learn the technique in an hour or less. What takes longer is learning how to orient yourself without vision, which isn't really directly related to cane use at all. That will become important for you too, but you can start using the cane for basic protection and identification in the meantime while you are waiting for O&M. You may also be a good candidate for a training center if you anticipate needing to learn nonvisual techniques of daily living as well as travel. There are lots of good folks in Texas who would be happy to work with you; anyone listed on the NFB of Texas website at www.nfb-texas.org would be great for you to talk with. There will always be people making insensitive comments, but I really think it gets much better once you are out of high school. Also, some people can't grasp the fact that you can see and still use a cane, but really, that's their problem not yours. I have a little light perception and can do a few travel things visually like going around people or parked cars without touching them with my cane. I'm sure it weirds some people out but I just don't let it bother me. If someone is really respectful of you and your blindness and is curious why you are using a cane, they will ask and will listen to your explanation about losing vision. If they aren't respectful they really aren't worth your concern, in my opinion. Best of luck, Arielle On 9/3/13, Anna Givens wrote: > Definitely keep up with the state resources. But in the mean time, there > are plenty of excellent cane users who can help! You are in Texas - lots of > resources there. > I will give you some off-list. > > Anna E Givens > > On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:48 AM, Ashley Allen > wrote: > >> Hi all! Thanks for all the advice and recommendations! >> >> To those that have asked, I'm in texas, if you wish to know more details, >> let me know in private..I'd prefer not to disclose my full location >> publicly a this is the internet! I'm studying electrical engineering. >> >> Another question that was brought up was the restriction on my license. I >> am restricted to daytime only driving. So not a huge restriction. >> >> I am looking for an O&m instructor, however the state resources havent >> called me back just yet, and I can't actually go tothe office because of >> my >> work and school schedules. Any ideas on how to work around this, or is it >> just a waiting game? >> >> Ashley >> On Sep 3, 2013 8:25 AM, "I. C. Bray" wrote: >> >>> Yes, Ashley; >>> I have to agree. There is one thing I neglected to mention, and that >>> hasn't been said so far as well. >>> >>> Once you begin learning O&M with a cane, you MUST practice. You can not >>> learn the skills, and prop the cane up in the corner- It must get used! >>> If you ever end up needing a Guide Dog, it will be your cane skills plus >>> your ability to learn and maneuver around obstacles with that cane that >>> will be critical in getting your Guide Friend! >>> >>> The problem-solver in me says: "Prepare for the worst, Hope for the >>> best!" >>> >>> Ian >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miso Kwak" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 9:59 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >>> >>> >>> I strongly agree with Sophie's point. >>>> I do not think you would have to necessarily notify your school's >>>> disabilities office about your transition to cane because it would not >>>> be a >>>> big change for your classes or accessing facilities on the campus. >>>> If you are a client of your state department of rehab, yiou probably >>>> can >>>> ask them to provide you with an orientation and mobility instructor, so >>>> that you can learn proper techniques for using the white cane. >>>> Also, you might want to consider NFB training centers in a long run. >>>> Best wishes >>>> Miso >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sophie Trist >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list < >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>> Sent: Mon, Sep 2, 2013 6:49 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >>>> >>>> Ashley, if you're steadily losing your vision, familiarizing >>>> yourself with the use of a cane will be very helpful. It will >>>> make things less difficult for you when you no longer have enough >>>> vision to drive, and it will make it easier for you to navigate >>>> campus without having to depend on tiny signs you can't read. >>>> However, if you decide to begin learning cane use, I believe it >>>> is important to have an O&M (orientation and mobility) teacher >>>> help you learn proper techniques. I wish you the best of luck. >>>> >>>> Yours sincerely, >>>> Sophie >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Ashley Allen >>>> >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Date sent: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 20:36:31 -0500 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Questions regarding transition to cane use >>>> >>>> Hi all! >>>> >>>> Let me start by introducing myself. My name is Ashley. I am new >>>> to this >>>> group and am a university student this year after transferring >>>> from >>>> community college. I have nystagmus and have severe strabismic >>>> amblyopia. I >>>> still have a decent amount of usable vision, but it is steadily >>>> getting >>>> worse. I am legally blind in my left, and nearing so in my right. >>>> My >>>> opthamologist has brought up the possibility of cane usage >>>> recently as I am >>>> steadily losing my usable vision. I am currently still able to >>>> drive, with >>>> restrictions, and commute to campus. He's suggested this so that >>>> I may >>>> familiarize myself with cane use and to identify myself while on >>>> campus...I >>>> tend to get very lost as I have trouble seeing the tiny signs... >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any thoughts? Is this appropriate as I can still >>>> drive? >>>> What are peoples thoughts on transitioning to cane use mid >>>> semester? >>>> >>>> I havent brought it up with my disability services on campus yet, >>>> as I want >>>> to visit the state resources first, but any thoughts would be >>>> appreciated. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sweetpeareade >>>> r%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> kwakmiso%40aol.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.** >>>> bray%40win.net >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> abunchoflettersandnumbers%**40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 02:33:47 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 20:33:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes In-Reply-To: References: <52254b90.41e1320a.48d8.fffff85c@mx.google.com> <7ED16BBC52C6470991ED370DCFB10738@OwnerPC> <5225621A.8030007@comcast.net> Message-ID: I too have had lots of problems using ITunes 11 with JAWS. I tried to create a new playlist and found that JAWS didn't consistently read my song list when I arrowed through it and I couldn't use first-letter navigation so the process was extremely slow. Is the script you are referring to called BlindTunes? I tried to install the BlindTunes script but kept getting a "runtime error" with every installation attempt forcing me to abort the installation. This is quite frustrating so any suggestions would be very helpful. On 9/2/13, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi Kelsey and all, > > Freedom Scientific made a very informative podcast a few months back > on using ITunes 11 with JAWS 14, which contained a number of keyboard > shortcuts and accessibility work-arounds that I found extremely > helpful. You can search for the podcast using the Podcasts app on your > Ipod Touch or just do a general Google search for "using ITunes with > JAWS" and it should come up. I do remember them mentioning a JAWS > script written specifically for ITunes 11 but they didn't go into much > detail. So far, though, I find ITunes 11 sufficiently accessible that > I have not felt the need to look into such a purchase. > > In response to the specific questions Kelsey brought up, I'm able to > sync my Ipod Touch with my PC on a daily basis without any sighted > assistance. I have ITunes configured so that a sync will take place > automatically every time my Ipod is connected to the computer; once > syncing is complete, ITunes will make a sound, indicating that it is > now safe to disconnect my Ipod. If I tab around a bit I can usually > locate the "safe to disconnect" message, but this is generally not > necessary because of the sound indicator. I have been able to create > new playlists fairly accessible, although it can be a little > time-consuming - If you let me know what specific problems you > encounter while trying to do this perhaps I could provide more help. > Lastly, I do agree that the ITunes store is quite difficult to > navigate; this is definitely an area in which Freedom Scientific and > Apple need to do more work. I do mostly navigate the store using my > Ipod Touch instead of going through ITunes on my PC, but as Ashley > mentioned I'm aware that this option is not available to every ITunes > user. > > Hope this helps! > Katie > > > On 9/3/13, Beth Taurasi wrote: >> I am wondering myself how to get my icloud downloads off the darned ipod >> touch and put them into my itunes folder on my computer, but since the >> library won't sync properly, Idk what to do. >> BethOn 9/2/2013 9:16 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi Kelsey, >>> I have the same problems and nice to know I have company. >>> I also had to ask for assistance to sync my ipod for some of the same >>> reasons you raised. >>> I have itunes 11 btw. Script, what script? >>> >>> I have a basic ipod. Which ipod do you have? >>> Joshua, she wants to use windows and itunes so your suggestion wasn't >>> too helpful. >>> Joshua, not all ipods have a wifi connection. This is why she had help >>> setting up her ipod with a windows pc I'm sure. >>> Also, I'm sure she knows about voice over already. >>> The ipod touch has wifi btw but the other ipods that play music and >>> audio books do not. >>> So you have to hook your ipod to the pc and sync your itunes library >>> to it. >>> >>> Kelsey, I can import cds too, and even found out how to play my songs >>> from itunes. But from there, I was confuseed. >>> Its my experience that standard jaws commands to navigate a website >>> such as b for button or x for checkbox do not work on itunes. >>> I cannot down arrow to explore it and I always feel lost on the page >>> as I tab around. >>> Apple should do a webinar on this, how to use assistive tech with >>> itunes on a pc. >>> So I'd be curious too to learn how you can search for and purchase >>> music with jaws. >>> >>> Hope someone has more advice. >>> The only command I know in using itunes is that control P i s pause >>> song. >>> >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Nicolay >>> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:43 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes >>> >>> Hello, >>> I know this subject may have come up before, but I wanted to know >>> what you think. I did try to post it to a jaws-users list, but >>> my posts were not getting through so I'll post it here too. I >>> have had an ipod for the past four years or so but someone else >>> took care of everything for me. Now, I have started exploring >>> itunes using JAWS. I have found it fairly accessible when >>> completing basic tasks such as importing a CD or playing my >>> itunes library, but it seems that itunes does not perform so well >>> when trying to do things like creating a qlaylist. I can click >>> the new qlaylist button, but I cannot actually create a qlaylist. >>> I have found a way to use the itunes store, but it is very time >>> consuming. It takes me 5 minutes to purchase a song from the >>> itunes store because I actually have to do it through a google >>> search. Then once I get to the itunes page, I have to click the >>> view in itunes link from which point I can click the buy button >>> and then go through the steps, but like I said it's a long >>> process. So what I am wondering is: What tricks have you found >>> work for you in using itunes? I am currently running JAWS 14 with >>> itunes 10. There are no scripts for itunes 10, but I could get a >>> script for 11 which would cost me $6.99. Is it worth the money >>> to get the script and just relearn 11 or should I try to learn >>> how to do it without a script with 10? I also have problems with >>> syncing. The issue is that when you sync your ipod, there is a >>> little icon that says something like "safely disconnect ipod." >>> Does JAWS speak this along automatically or is the something I >>> would have to ask a sighted person to do? I am getting tired of >>> having to ask someone to help me every time I want to sync my >>> ipod since I am pretty proficient on the computer to begin with. >>> Anyone who uses JAWS and uses itunes, please share your thoughts, >>> techniques, keystrokes etc you use to help you navigate itunes >>> independently. >>> Thanks, >>> Kelsey Nicolay >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From joy.misto at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 03:26:34 2013 From: joy.misto at gmail.com (Joy Mistovich) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 23:26:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Creating an NFB List Message-ID: Hi everyone, Have any of you ever created a new nfb list that was posted to NFB.net? If so, what program did you use, or were you able to create it specifically online? I have a mac, so I know there are less options to pick from. My intent for the list is to create a global warming charity for blind and sighted individuals alike; this group is necessary because we as the NFB have a right to participate and take immediate action in environmental matters; climate change is a pressing dilemma, and it won't wait for anyone. It is already beginning to take its toll on some countries worldwide, and the Arctic and Antarctic ice sheets are melting rapidly. We as this new NFB enviornmental group must discuss ways to raise money to alleviate the effects of climate change and discuss alternative energy sources, and create a website. With this group, members can tell other individuals within the community the necessity of understanding climate change and create specific events geared towards the environment, etc. Thank you so much for your help! Joy From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Wed Sep 4 03:29:14 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 03:29:14 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Creating an NFB List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We can't do it. Mr. David Andrews is the list owner and the site owner of NFBNet, so he has to create the lists, or it doesn't get done. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Joy Mistovich [joy.misto at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 10:26 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Creating an NFB List Hi everyone, Have any of you ever created a new nfb list that was posted to NFB.net? If so, what program did you use, or were you able to create it specifically online? I have a mac, so I know there are less options to pick from. My intent for the list is to create a global warming charity for blind and sighted individuals alike; this group is necessary because we as the NFB have a right to participate and take immediate action in environmental matters; climate change is a pressing dilemma, and it won't wait for anyone. It is already beginning to take its toll on some countries worldwide, and the Arctic and Antarctic ice sheets are melting rapidly. We as this new NFB enviornmental group must discuss ways to raise money to alleviate the effects of climate change and discuss alternative energy sources, and create a website. With this group, members can tell other individuals within the community the necessity of understanding climate change and create specific events geared towards the environment, etc. Thank you so much for your help! Joy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 04:14:36 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2013 22:14:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking input on handling my first community outreachevent References: Message-ID: <35271F40C8874E1D9B2F9779F0D04A92@HP30910210001> if you have a store called batteries plus near you. They sell laptop batteries as well. they aren't too expensive. Have a blessed day. Best, Melissa R. Green and Pj Imagination does not become great until human beings, given the courage and the strength, use it to create. Maria Montessori ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking input on handling my first community outreachevent Agreed, and you could also borrow a friend's laptop that has a good battery and put a demo copy of JAWS on it for the day, or perhaps you could buy a new battery for your laptop on Amazon. I saw a battery on Amazon for my old laptop that was much cheaper than what the manufacturer was charging. A Braille Note or similar device would also work well. Arielle On 9/3/13, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Hi Anjelina, > > I have to say that I have never encountered this challenge, so thanks > for writing about it to get us thinking! > > Do you happen to have a smartphone with a blue tooth keyboard? I have > an iPhone with a bluetooth keyboard that is very small yet the keys > are discernable. It is the one sold by A T Guys, shameless plug. > Anyway, if you have those things, that could be a seamless option. > You could write "notes" and email them to yourself, edit them, and > then send them to your supervisor. > > If you do not have these tools then perhaps a braille notetaker or a > tablet would also be portable enough. > > I think that you should just try to effectively communicate with your > clients. Just explain to them that you are excited to work with them > and that you are blind and it would be helpful if they stay close to > you while navigating the tables...I am sure that there is a more > eloquent way of presenting this than what I wrote in 2 seconds. But > another strategy is to just keep up a conversation. If you are asking > questions and exchanging dialogue, then you will always know where > they are. Similarly, they will have incentive to stay near you so they > can continue the conversation. > > Cindy > > On 9/3/13, Anjelina Cruz wrote: >> Good afternoon fellow NABSters, >> I hope your semesters are kicking off to a productive start. For >> anyone who has experiences with large gatherings and community events, >> I need a boost of confidents or an honest observations of challenges >> you may have faced in large settings. >> I'm in my last semester toward a bachelors of social Work degree which >> requires completing an internship. In a few weeks I'll be one of many >> ambassadors at a community event for homeless people. Homeless Project >> Connect brings together as many services possible for a person who is >> homeless with the end goal of finding them the help they may need. >> The event will be held in a large complex on two floors with booths >> and tables. As an ambassador we are asked to write down information >> about the person in a designated folder as they go throughout the >> process of obtaining the specific services they need. For instance, if >> they need a birth certificate, I will be responsible for walking with >> them to the Vital Statistics table as well as helping them fill out >> the information form at Vital Stats. >> >> As long as I could have the forms sent to me in an electronic form, >> I've considered using my laptop, however my battery does not hold a >> charge very well. How would you handle this type of situation? I >> don't mind asking questions to find specific tables, but what if my >> client walks away from me and I can't find him or her? >> Since everyone will be writing notes on each person they assist, >> information they requested, observations about the person, or >> questions the person may have so the coordinator can follow up with >> each client, how could I effectively complete this task? >> >> Thank you all for your input and advice. >> Best wishes for fall 2013! >> -- >> Anjelina >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From dzhovani.chemishanov at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 04:27:27 2013 From: dzhovani.chemishanov at gmail.com (Dzhovani) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 07:27:27 +0300 Subject: [nabs-l] Math and pdf Message-ID: <5226B6AF.3040707@gmail.com> Hi all, I'm Dzhovani and this fall I will take a calculus course at my university. Unfortunately, braille textbook is not available, so the publisher offered me a pdf file with the textbook which they called "accessible". However, when I opened the file, while the text was readable, the math formulas were presented just as blank spaces. Does anybody have an idea how I can access the math parts of the document? I'm using Windows 7 with Jaws13 and NVDA. Thanks in advance, Dzhovani From carlymih at comcast.net Wed Sep 4 05:39:58 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 22:39:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking input on handling my first community outreach event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130903223148.04e8f390@comcast.net> Hi, Anjelina, I would make friends with whomever is filling the role of client so, theoretically, they believe in what you're doing and, perhaps like you as a person, to boot. Personally, I can't see how that couldn't surve anything but to help both parties feel at ease. having their own assistance in actualizing both party's success. Like, you can ask client to help fill out the forms or help you navigate the fair. Win him over such that he believes in helping out. That's what I would do. 12:41 PM 9/3/2013, Anjelina Cruz wrote: >Good afternoon fellow NABSters, >I hope your semesters are kicking off to a productive start. For >anyone who has experiences with large gatherings and community events, >I need a boost of confidents or an honest observations of challenges >you may have faced in large settings. >I'm in my last semester toward a bachelors of social Work degree which >requires completing an internship. In a few weeks I'll be one of many >ambassadors at a community event for homeless people. Homeless Project >Connect brings together as many services possible for a person who is >homeless with the end goal of finding them the help they may need. >The event will be held in a large complex on two floors with booths >and tables. As an ambassador we are asked to write down information >about the person in a designated folder as they go throughout the >process of obtaining the specific services they need. For instance, if >they need a birth certificate, I will be responsible for walking with >them to the Vital Statistics table as well as helping them fill out >the information form at Vital Stats. > >As long as I could have the forms sent to me in an electronic form, >I've considered using my laptop, however my battery does not hold a >charge very well. How would you handle this type of situation? I >don't mind asking questions to find specific tables, but what if my >client walks away from me and I can't find him or her? >Since everyone will be writing notes on each person they assist, >information they requested, observations about the person, or >questions the person may have so the coordinator can follow up with >each client, how could I effectively complete this task? > >Thank you all for your input and advice. >Best wishes for fall 2013! >-- >Anjelina > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 10:48:57 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 06:48:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Creating an NFB List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9086695599231131759@unknownmsgid> In other words, you would contact him about creating a new list. His email is dandrews at visi.com. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > We can't do it. > Mr. David Andrews is the list owner and the site owner of NFBNet, so he has to create the lists, or it doesn't get done. > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Joy Mistovich [joy.misto at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 10:26 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Creating an NFB List > > Hi everyone, > Have any of you ever created a new nfb list that was posted to NFB.net? If > so, what program did you use, or were you able to create it specifically > online? I have a mac, so I know there are less options to pick from. My > intent for the list is to create a global warming charity for blind and > sighted individuals alike; this group is necessary because we as the NFB > have a right to participate and take immediate action in environmental > matters; climate change is a pressing dilemma, and it won't wait for > anyone. It is already beginning to take its toll on some countries > worldwide, and the Arctic and Antarctic ice sheets are melting rapidly. We > as this new NFB enviornmental group must discuss ways to raise money to > alleviate the effects of climate change and discuss alternative energy > sources, and create a website. With this group, members can tell other > individuals within the community the necessity of understanding climate > change and create specific events geared towards the environment, etc. > Thank you so much for your help! > Joy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From nightfury19 at verizon.net Wed Sep 4 11:22:26 2013 From: nightfury19 at verizon.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 07:22:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible is DropBox Message-ID: <03a001cea961$098c13e0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> I may be using DropBox for school and I was wondering how accessible it is. I'm using XP and JAWS 12. Is there a website I can get more information from and any pointers to share about DropBox? Thank you, Melissa From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 12:26:12 2013 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 08:26:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate Message-ID: <52272714.837fe00a.4492.161f@mx.google.com> Dear Nabs Members, I have a question for you. Yesterday I went to the Student Slate web page. I clicked the link that says subscribe to the Student Slate. Nothing came up that let me put in an email address or password. Is there any way to subscribe to the Student Slate. Please respond as soon as possible. From trillian551 at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 13:11:36 2013 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:11:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate In-Reply-To: <52272714.837fe00a.4492.161f@mx.google.com> References: <52272714.837fe00a.4492.161f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, The slate is sent out on this list every four months, when it comes out. It is also posted in the nabs webpage. So, if you get NabsL emails, you are sure to get it. Thanks. Mary F On 9/4/13, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Dear Nabs Members, > > I have a question for you. Yesterday I went to the Student Slate > web page. I clicked the link that says subscribe to the Student > Slate. Nothing came up that let me put in an email address or > password. Is there any way to subscribe to the Student Slate. > Please respond as soon as possible. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." — Maya Angelou From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Wed Sep 4 13:44:07 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:44:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate In-Reply-To: <52272714.837fe00a.4492.161f@mx.google.com> References: <52272714.837fe00a.4492.161f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Roanna, I am sorry to hear no one from the NABS Board or the NABS Slate Committee has taken the time to answer your question. Since the last issue of the Student Slate was only sent out to individual NABS members and was not posted on any email lists, you would think there would be some kind of form on the website to either subscribe to the Student Slate or become a member so you could receive a copy of the Student Slate. Since you have not received an answer to your question on this email list, I would encourage you to contact Sean Whalen off list by sending an email to nabs.president at gmail.com. Perhaps he might be more inclined to answer your question if you contact him directly. In addition, I believe you can also contact the Slate Committee directly by sending an email to slate at nabslink.com. I hope this email points you in the right direction in receiving an answer to your question. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Roanna Baccchus" Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:26 AM To: Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate > Dear Nabs Members, > > I have a question for you. Yesterday I went to the Student Slate web > page. I clicked the link that says subscribe to the Student Slate. > Nothing came up that let me put in an email address or password. Is there > any way to subscribe to the Student Slate. Please respond as soon as > possible. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 11:43:47 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 07:43:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible is DropBox In-Reply-To: <03a001cea961$098c13e0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> References: <03a001cea961$098c13e0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: <3587358837169086170@unknownmsgid> DropBox is very accessible and easy to use with JAWS. There is also an accessible iPhone app which allows you to access all the documents in your Dropbox from your phone. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Melissa Hambleton wrote: > I may be using DropBox for school and I was wondering how accessible it is. I'm using XP > and JAWS 12. Is there a website I can get more information from and any > pointers to share about DropBox? > > Thank you, > Melissa > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From sjhhirst at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 14:27:16 2013 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 09:27:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-master-list] NFB Requests Your Feedback--Responses Needed Before September 12 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Riccobono, Mark Date: Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 10:26 PM Subject: [Nfbnet-master-list] NFB Requests Your Feedback--Responses Needed Before September 12 To: nfbnet-master-list at nfbnet.org Dear Friends, I am writing to ask that you complete an important survey about your involvement with and perceptions of the National Federation of the Blind. You can find the survey here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NFB2013 The survey should take about 15 minutes to complete. We would appreciate your response as soon as possible. As we work to strengthen the reputation of the National Federation of the Blind so that we may have even greater positive impact on the lives of blind people, your opinions and perceptions will be very valuable as we formulate future branding/marketing efforts for the organization. We encourage you to share your thoughts freely. We are working with Mission Minded, an independent branding and communications firm, to administer this survey. Your responses will be 100% confidential. Thank you in advance for taking the time to share your opinions. The survey will close on or before September 12, so please complete it today and encourage others you know to do the same. Again, the survey can be found at: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NFB2013 Yours in the movement, Mark A. Riccobono, M.S.ed Executive Director, Jernigan Institute NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 Phone: (410) 659-9314 ext. 2357 Fax: (410) 659-5129 Email: mriccobono at nfb.org Twitter: @Riccobono Web: www.nfb.org Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! For more information, please visit: http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 _______________________________________________ Nfbnet-master-list mailing list Nfbnet-master-list at nfbnet.org From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 15:09:03 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:09:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible is DropBox In-Reply-To: <3587358837169086170@unknownmsgid> References: <03a001cea961$098c13e0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> <3587358837169086170@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Truth be told some of the features on the web site are not the most accessible, but using the program itself is. I still have trouble creating shared folders because the site does weird things with my IE and JAWS, but once those folders are created I'm fine. It will really make sharing assignments easier for you. No more emails cluttering your inbox or flashdrives to keep track of. On 9/4/13, christopher nusbaum wrote: > DropBox is very accessible and easy to use with JAWS. There is also an > accessible iPhone app which allows you to access all the documents in > your Dropbox from your phone. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Melissa Hambleton > wrote: > >> I may be using DropBox for school and I was wondering how accessible it >> is. I'm using XP >> and JAWS 12. Is there a website I can get more information from and any >> pointers to share about DropBox? >> >> Thank you, >> Melissa >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Wed Sep 4 15:56:32 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 09:56:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible is DropBox In-Reply-To: <03a001cea961$098c13e0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> References: <03a001cea961$098c13e0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Message-ID: <52275830.2020108@comcast.net> On 9/4/2013 5:22 AM, Melissa Hambleton wrote: > I may be using DropBox for school and I was wondering how accessible it is. I'm using XP > and JAWS 12. Is there a website I can get more information from and any > pointers to share about DropBox? > > Thank you, > Melissa > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > Dropbox is pretty accessible with JAWS, but I am using NVDA and Firefox which allows me to make it even more accessible. It allows me to navigate to the place where you enter someone's email address when you're sharing folders. Beth From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 16:15:41 2013 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 11:15:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Apple Vis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for letting me know this Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hi Gloria -- Applevis App reviews contain a link you can click to take you to the iTunes page for the App. I clicked that link in the Applevis review for "Guide Talking Menus" and it launched iTunes and informed me the App is not available in the US App store and asked if I wanted to switch to the UK App Store to view the App's page. If you live in the US I'm pretty sure you will not be able to purchase the app from the UK store; however, if you read through the comments in the Applevis review you will find a few alternative suggestions for US residents. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Sep 3, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Gloria G wrote: >> I was wondering if anyone has had troubles finding some of the apps on Apple Vis? I am trying to find the app titled, "Guide Talking Menu," which is the way it is displayed on the site, but when I search for it in the app store, there is no results. Is it under another name? It looks like it would be a very useful app and I would like to try it out. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 19:54:20 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 12:54:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate In-Reply-To: References: <52272714.837fe00a.4492.161f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I hope that you are all doing well. I want to clear up any questions that anyone has about the student Slate and subscribing to it. First of all, I will look into the website and talk to our webmaster. I did not take the time to look through the NABS archives, but I would find it very surprising if we did not post the Slate to it. Currently, we have a database of members whose information is gathered at our in-person meetings (national convention and Washington Seminar) that we send the Slate to directly. And then, we post it to NABS and on the website. Roanna, I apologize that this issue has not been resolved for you, and I am emailing our webmaster now asking him to make sure your email address is on the recipient list. If anyone else is not receiving the Slate and would like their email address added, please feel free to respond to me offlist. Keep in mind that the Slate comes once a quarter. The last edition released was just before the national convention so that could have been cause for some people to miss it; I know that that time of year is usually crazy for me and I am not always on top of my emails. Again, on behalf of the board, I apologize for anyone's inconveniences in attempting to read the Slate or reach us. We appreciate the interest and are always looking for ideas of new articles and for more readers. Similarly, we want to hear from you about all of your ideas for NABS and questions and concerns about being a student, so please feel free to contact us. We do strive to stay on top of our emails, but I know that from personal experience, sometimes I am not as responsive as I should be. I know this is not ideal, but I hope that it does not detour you from reaching out to us again. Cindy On 9/4/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > Hello Roanna, > > I am sorry to hear no one from the NABS Board or the NABS Slate Committee > has taken the time to answer your question. Since the last issue of the > Student Slate was only sent out to individual NABS members and was not > posted on any email lists, you would think there would be some kind of form > > on the website to either subscribe to the Student Slate or become a member > so you could receive a copy of the Student Slate. > > Since you have not received an answer to your question on this email list, I > > would encourage you to contact Sean Whalen off list by sending an email to > nabs.president at gmail.com. Perhaps he might be more inclined to answer your > question if you contact him directly. In addition, I believe you can also > contact the Slate Committee directly by sending an email to > slate at nabslink.com. > > I hope this email points you in the right direction in receiving an answer > > to your question. > > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Roanna Baccchus" > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:26 AM > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate > >> Dear Nabs Members, >> >> I have a question for you. Yesterday I went to the Student Slate web >> page. I clicked the link that says subscribe to the Student Slate. >> Nothing came up that let me put in an email address or password. Is there >> >> any way to subscribe to the Student Slate. Please respond as soon as >> possible. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From anthony at olivero.us Wed Sep 4 20:15:19 2013 From: anthony at olivero.us (Tony Olivero) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 15:15:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate In-Reply-To: References: <52272714.837fe00a.4492.161f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Roanna, I have added your e-mail to the NABS mailing list. For everyone's information,and to clarify, the subscribe link you clicked on brings you to what's called an RSS feed. You can add the slate pages to a feed reader like you would a blog or news site. Whenever a new issue is posted you would automatically see it in your reader. I realize the language is confusing, and this week I will do the following two things: 1. Change the language of that button to be a little more clear; and 2. Get the module fixed that allows you to add yourself to that mailing list. Sorry for any confusion. Thanks for asking the question so we can make it easy for everyone. Have a great day. Tony Olivero, Webmaster National Association of Blind Students On 9/4/13, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > > I hope that you are all doing well. > > I want to clear up any questions that anyone has about the student > Slate and subscribing to it. > > First of all, I will look into the website and talk to our webmaster. > > I did not take the time to look through the NABS archives, but I would > find it very surprising if we did not post the Slate to it. Currently, > we have a database of members whose information is gathered at our > in-person meetings (national convention and Washington Seminar) that > we send the Slate to directly. And then, we post it to NABS and on the > website. > > Roanna, I apologize that this issue has not been resolved for you, and > I am emailing our webmaster now asking him to make sure your email > address is on the recipient list. > > If anyone else is not receiving the Slate and would like their email > address added, please feel free to respond to me offlist. Keep in mind > that the Slate comes once a quarter. The last edition released was > just before the national convention so that could have been cause for > some people to miss it; I know that that time of year is usually crazy > for me and I am not always on top of my emails. > > Again, on behalf of the board, I apologize for anyone's inconveniences > in attempting to read the Slate or reach us. We appreciate the > interest and are always looking for ideas of new articles and for more > readers. Similarly, we want to hear from you about all of your ideas > for NABS and questions and concerns about being a student, so please > feel free to contact us. We do strive to stay on top of our emails, > but I know that from personal experience, sometimes I am not as > responsive as I should be. I know this is not ideal, but I hope that > it does not detour you from reaching out to us again. > > Cindy > > On 9/4/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: >> Hello Roanna, >> >> I am sorry to hear no one from the NABS Board or the NABS Slate Committee >> has taken the time to answer your question. Since the last issue of the >> Student Slate was only sent out to individual NABS members and was not >> posted on any email lists, you would think there would be some kind of >> form >> >> on the website to either subscribe to the Student Slate or become a >> member >> so you could receive a copy of the Student Slate. >> >> Since you have not received an answer to your question on this email list, >> I >> >> would encourage you to contact Sean Whalen off list by sending an email >> to >> nabs.president at gmail.com. Perhaps he might be more inclined to answer >> your >> question if you contact him directly. In addition, I believe you can also >> contact the Slate Committee directly by sending an email to >> slate at nabslink.com. >> >> I hope this email points you in the right direction in receiving an >> answer >> >> to your question. >> >> Elizabeth >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Roanna Baccchus" >> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:26 AM >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate >> >>> Dear Nabs Members, >>> >>> I have a question for you. Yesterday I went to the Student Slate web >>> page. I clicked the link that says subscribe to the Student Slate. >>> Nothing came up that let me put in an email address or password. Is >>> there >>> >>> any way to subscribe to the Student Slate. Please respond as soon as >>> possible. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anthony%40olivero.us > From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Wed Sep 4 20:56:36 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 16:56:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Keyboard for iPhone 5 Message-ID: Hi everyone, this is Helga. I’m considering in purchasing a bluetooth keybord for my iPhone 5 this week. I was just wondering, what kind of bluetooth keyboard do you guys recommend me to have? I’m not really so sure which one to buy. Just to let you know, one of my Lighthouse instructor told me to buy a Bluetooth keyboard called the “Apple Bluetooth Keyboard” from the apple store, but she told me that this costs 60 dollars. Is this a good bluetooth keyboard to have, or what other type of bluetooth keyboard do you know about? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions. Thanks and God bless!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Sep 4 21:06:40 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:06:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Keyboard for iPhone 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, It really depends on what type of bluetooth keyboard you want. The Apple keyboard is awesome, but it is the size of a typical keyboard. It looks like a laptop keyboard. I personally love laptop keyboards since the rows on desktop keyboards elevate and I have small fingers, but it isn't portable. I mentioned it the other day, but if you want something portable, I think the one sold by A T Guys is great. It fits into my pocket with my phone, has raised bumps on the F and the J, and the keys themselves are discernable unlike many other small bluetooth keyboards that have awkwardly sized keys and not enough tactile differentiation between them. With shipping, I think that keyboard is $52, and you can find it if you go to www.atguys.com. Their bluetooth keyboard is my third, after I tried a couple of cheap ones from Amazon. I tried to adapt them but my high marks made out of glue and nail polish fell off because of either rubber keys or me using it a lot. And those keyboards didn't last and didn't fit as nicely into my pocket. So I'd say that spending $50 or $60 is pretty reasonable for a good bluetooth keyboard. I have also seen a cool normal-sized keyboard that is made of silicon and that rolls up for easy fitting into a purse, but I don't know where you could buy this; I just met a friend who had one. Cindy On 9/4/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi everyone, this is Helga. I’m considering in purchasing a bluetooth > keybord for my iPhone 5 this week. I was just wondering, what kind of > bluetooth keyboard do you guys recommend me to have? I’m not really so sure > which one to buy. Just to let you know, one of my Lighthouse instructor told > me to buy a Bluetooth keyboard called the “Apple Bluetooth Keyboard” from > the apple store, but she told me that this costs 60 dollars. Is this a good > bluetooth keyboard to have, or what other type of bluetooth keyboard do you > know about? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some > suggestions. Thanks and God bless!! -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Wed Sep 4 21:48:13 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 17:48:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Keyboard for iPhone 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just would like to know.And God bless! :-) Hi Cindy, I just would like to have a Bluetooth keyboard that I could take to college. so You Rickelme msecond one right question Also, does this keyboard works with voice over well? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2013, at 5:07 PM, "Cindy Bennett" wrote: > Hi, > > It really depends on what type of bluetooth keyboard you want. The > Apple keyboard is awesome, but it is the size of a typical keyboard. > It looks like a laptop keyboard. I personally love laptop keyboards > since the rows on desktop keyboards elevate and I have small fingers, > but it isn't portable. > > I mentioned it the other day, but if you want something portable, I > think the one sold by A T Guys is great. It fits into my pocket with > my phone, has raised bumps on the F and the J, and the keys themselves > are discernable unlike many other small bluetooth keyboards that have > awkwardly sized keys and not enough tactile differentiation between > them. With shipping, I think that keyboard is $52, and you can find it > if you go to www.atguys.com. > > Their bluetooth keyboard is my third, after I tried a couple of cheap > ones from Amazon. I tried to adapt them but my high marks made out of > glue and nail polish fell off because of either rubber keys or me > using it a lot. And those keyboards didn't last and didn't fit as > nicely into my pocket. So I'd say that spending $50 or $60 is pretty > reasonable for a good bluetooth keyboard. > > I have also seen a cool normal-sized keyboard that is made of silicon > and that rolls up for easy fitting into a purse, but I don't know > where you could buy this; I just met a friend who had one. > > Cindy > > On 9/4/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> Hi everyone, this is Helga. I’m considering in purchasing a bluetooth >> keybord for my iPhone 5 this week. I was just wondering, what kind of >> bluetooth keyboard do you guys recommend me to have? I’m not really so sure >> which one to buy. Just to let you know, one of my Lighthouse instructor told >> me to buy a Bluetooth keyboard called the “Apple Bluetooth Keyboard” from >> the apple store, but she told me that this costs 60 dollars. Is this a good >> bluetooth keyboard to have, or what other type of bluetooth keyboard do you >> know about? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some >> suggestions. Thanks and God bless!! > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hot From i.c.bray at win.net Wed Sep 4 22:45:45 2013 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 18:45:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate References: <52272714.837fe00a.4492.161f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8AB2E0880E4241AFB04CDBEDED2EA2D8@JAWS> Tony, I'm not doing RSS Feeds, but perhaps I should look into it. Will you let us know when the email module is fixed? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Olivero" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate : Roanna, : : I have added your e-mail to the NABS mailing list. : : For everyone's information,and to clarify, the subscribe link you : clicked on brings you to what's called an RSS feed. You can add the : slate pages to a feed reader like you would a blog or news site. : Whenever a new issue is posted you would automatically see it in your : reader. I realize the language is confusing, and this week I will do : the following two things: : : 1. Change the language of that button to be a little more clear; and : 2. Get the module fixed that allows you to add yourself to that mailing list. : : Sorry for any confusion. Thanks for asking the question so we can make : it easy for everyone. : : Have a great day. : : Tony Olivero, Webmaster : National Association of Blind Students : : : On 9/4/13, Cindy Bennett wrote: : > Hi all, : > : > I hope that you are all doing well. : > : > I want to clear up any questions that anyone has about the student : > Slate and subscribing to it. : > : > First of all, I will look into the website and talk to our webmaster. : > : > I did not take the time to look through the NABS archives, but I would : > find it very surprising if we did not post the Slate to it. Currently, : > we have a database of members whose information is gathered at our : > in-person meetings (national convention and Washington Seminar) that : > we send the Slate to directly. And then, we post it to NABS and on the : > website. : > : > Roanna, I apologize that this issue has not been resolved for you, and : > I am emailing our webmaster now asking him to make sure your email : > address is on the recipient list. : > : > If anyone else is not receiving the Slate and would like their email : > address added, please feel free to respond to me offlist. Keep in mind : > that the Slate comes once a quarter. The last edition released was : > just before the national convention so that could have been cause for : > some people to miss it; I know that that time of year is usually crazy : > for me and I am not always on top of my emails. : > : > Again, on behalf of the board, I apologize for anyone's inconveniences : > in attempting to read the Slate or reach us. We appreciate the : > interest and are always looking for ideas of new articles and for more : > readers. Similarly, we want to hear from you about all of your ideas : > for NABS and questions and concerns about being a student, so please : > feel free to contact us. We do strive to stay on top of our emails, : > but I know that from personal experience, sometimes I am not as : > responsive as I should be. I know this is not ideal, but I hope that : > it does not detour you from reaching out to us again. : > : > Cindy : > : > On 9/4/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: : >> Hello Roanna, : >> : >> I am sorry to hear no one from the NABS Board or the NABS Slate Committee : >> has taken the time to answer your question. Since the last issue of the : >> Student Slate was only sent out to individual NABS members and was not : >> posted on any email lists, you would think there would be some kind of : >> form : >> : >> on the website to either subscribe to the Student Slate or become a : >> member : >> so you could receive a copy of the Student Slate. : >> : >> Since you have not received an answer to your question on this email list, : >> I : >> : >> would encourage you to contact Sean Whalen off list by sending an email : >> to : >> nabs.president at gmail.com. Perhaps he might be more inclined to answer : >> your : >> question if you contact him directly. In addition, I believe you can also : >> contact the Slate Committee directly by sending an email to : >> slate at nabslink.com. : >> : >> I hope this email points you in the right direction in receiving an : >> answer : >> : >> to your question. : >> : >> Elizabeth : >> : >> -------------------------------------------------- : >> From: "Roanna Baccchus" : >> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:26 AM : >> To: : >> Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate : >> : >>> Dear Nabs Members, : >>> : >>> I have a question for you. Yesterday I went to the Student Slate web : >>> page. I clicked the link that says subscribe to the Student Slate. : >>> Nothing came up that let me put in an email address or password. Is : >>> there : >>> : >>> any way to subscribe to the Student Slate. Please respond as soon as : >>> possible. : >>> : >>> _______________________________________________ : >>> nabs-l mailing list : >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org : >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for : >>> nabs-l: : >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com : >>> : >> : >> _______________________________________________ : >> nabs-l mailing list : >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org : >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for : >> nabs-l: : >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com : >> : > : > : > -- : > Cindy Bennett : > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students : > : > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington : > clb5590 at gmail.com : > : > _______________________________________________ : > nabs-l mailing list : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for : > nabs-l: : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anthony%40olivero.us : > : : _______________________________________________ : nabs-l mailing list : nabs-l at nfbnet.org : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Sep 5 00:05:25 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 18:05:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate In-Reply-To: <8AB2E0880E4241AFB04CDBEDED2EA2D8@JAWS> References: <52272714.837fe00a.4492.161f@mx.google.com> <8AB2E0880E4241AFB04CDBEDED2EA2D8@JAWS> Message-ID: Hi all, For whatever it's worth, when I was president I think I always sent the Slate out to this NABS-L list, and I'm pretty sure Sean does the same. So if you are on this list you should get every issue as soon as it is released. I would also suggest having a little patience with the NABS board members. Roanna sent her inquiry early this morning and a complaint about the lack of board response was sent merely an hour and a half later. Even the most attentive board members may not be able to respond within an hour and a half on a busy Wednesday morning at the start of the semester. I would suggest waiting at least 24 hours and if you still don't get a satisfactory response, you can think about re-posting your query or writing to the relevant committee chair off-list. I sincerely believe the board members are trying as hard as they can to be responsive. Best, Arielle On 9/4/13, I. C. Bray wrote: > Tony, > > I'm not doing RSS Feeds, but perhaps I should look into it. > Will you let us know when the email module is fixed? > > Ian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Olivero" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:15 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate > > > : Roanna, > : > : I have added your e-mail to the NABS mailing list. > : > : For everyone's information,and to clarify, the subscribe link you > : clicked on brings you to what's called an RSS feed. You can add the > : slate pages to a feed reader like you would a blog or news site. > : Whenever a new issue is posted you would automatically see it in your > : reader. I realize the language is confusing, and this week I will do > : the following two things: > : > : 1. Change the language of that button to be a little more clear; and > : 2. Get the module fixed that allows you to add yourself to that mailing > list. > : > : Sorry for any confusion. Thanks for asking the question so we can make > : it easy for everyone. > : > : Have a great day. > : > : Tony Olivero, Webmaster > : National Association of Blind Students > : > : > : On 9/4/13, Cindy Bennett wrote: > : > Hi all, > : > > : > I hope that you are all doing well. > : > > : > I want to clear up any questions that anyone has about the student > : > Slate and subscribing to it. > : > > : > First of all, I will look into the website and talk to our webmaster. > : > > : > I did not take the time to look through the NABS archives, but I would > : > find it very surprising if we did not post the Slate to it. Currently, > : > we have a database of members whose information is gathered at our > : > in-person meetings (national convention and Washington Seminar) that > : > we send the Slate to directly. And then, we post it to NABS and on the > : > website. > : > > : > Roanna, I apologize that this issue has not been resolved for you, and > : > I am emailing our webmaster now asking him to make sure your email > : > address is on the recipient list. > : > > : > If anyone else is not receiving the Slate and would like their email > : > address added, please feel free to respond to me offlist. Keep in mind > : > that the Slate comes once a quarter. The last edition released was > : > just before the national convention so that could have been cause for > : > some people to miss it; I know that that time of year is usually crazy > : > for me and I am not always on top of my emails. > : > > : > Again, on behalf of the board, I apologize for anyone's inconveniences > : > in attempting to read the Slate or reach us. We appreciate the > : > interest and are always looking for ideas of new articles and for more > : > readers. Similarly, we want to hear from you about all of your ideas > : > for NABS and questions and concerns about being a student, so please > : > feel free to contact us. We do strive to stay on top of our emails, > : > but I know that from personal experience, sometimes I am not as > : > responsive as I should be. I know this is not ideal, but I hope that > : > it does not detour you from reaching out to us again. > : > > : > Cindy > : > > : > On 9/4/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > : >> Hello Roanna, > : >> > : >> I am sorry to hear no one from the NABS Board or the NABS Slate > Committee > : >> has taken the time to answer your question. Since the last issue of > the > : >> Student Slate was only sent out to individual NABS members and was not > : >> posted on any email lists, you would think there would be some kind of > : >> form > : >> > : >> on the website to either subscribe to the Student Slate or become a > : >> member > : >> so you could receive a copy of the Student Slate. > : >> > : >> Since you have not received an answer to your question on this email > list, > : >> I > : >> > : >> would encourage you to contact Sean Whalen off list by sending an > email > : >> to > : >> nabs.president at gmail.com. Perhaps he might be more inclined to answer > : >> your > : >> question if you contact him directly. In addition, I believe you can > also > : >> contact the Slate Committee directly by sending an email to > : >> slate at nabslink.com. > : >> > : >> I hope this email points you in the right direction in receiving an > : >> answer > : >> > : >> to your question. > : >> > : >> Elizabeth > : >> > : >> -------------------------------------------------- > : >> From: "Roanna Baccchus" > : >> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:26 AM > : >> To: > : >> Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate > : >> > : >>> Dear Nabs Members, > : >>> > : >>> I have a question for you. Yesterday I went to the Student Slate web > : >>> page. I clicked the link that says subscribe to the Student Slate. > : >>> Nothing came up that let me put in an email address or password. Is > : >>> there > : >>> > : >>> any way to subscribe to the Student Slate. Please respond as soon as > : >>> possible. > : >>> > : >>> _______________________________________________ > : >>> nabs-l mailing list > : >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > : >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > : >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > : >>> nabs-l: > : >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > : >>> > : >> > : >> _______________________________________________ > : >> nabs-l mailing list > : >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > : >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > : >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > : >> nabs-l: > : >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > : >> > : > > : > > : > -- > : > Cindy Bennett > : > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > : > > : > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > : > clb5590 at gmail.com > : > > : > _______________________________________________ > : > nabs-l mailing list > : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > : > nabs-l: > : > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anthony%40olivero.us > : > > : > : _______________________________________________ > : nabs-l mailing list > : nabs-l at nfbnet.org > : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Sep 5 01:20:20 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 18:20:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Keyboard for iPhone 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D36C89E-4CF6-44F8-99A9-686E91FC536A@gmail.com> Yes, it is very good with voiceover. Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Helga Schreiber wrote: > > I just would like to know.And God bless! :-) Hi Cindy, I just would like to have a Bluetooth keyboard that I could take to college. so You Rickelme msecond one right question Also, does this keyboard works with voice over well? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 4, 2013, at 5:07 PM, "Cindy Bennett" wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> It really depends on what type of bluetooth keyboard you want. The >> Apple keyboard is awesome, but it is the size of a typical keyboard. >> It looks like a laptop keyboard. I personally love laptop keyboards >> since the rows on desktop keyboards elevate and I have small fingers, >> but it isn't portable. >> >> I mentioned it the other day, but if you want something portable, I >> think the one sold by A T Guys is great. It fits into my pocket with >> my phone, has raised bumps on the F and the J, and the keys themselves >> are discernable unlike many other small bluetooth keyboards that have >> awkwardly sized keys and not enough tactile differentiation between >> them. With shipping, I think that keyboard is $52, and you can find it >> if you go to www.atguys.com. >> >> Their bluetooth keyboard is my third, after I tried a couple of cheap >> ones from Amazon. I tried to adapt them but my high marks made out of >> glue and nail polish fell off because of either rubber keys or me >> using it a lot. And those keyboards didn't last and didn't fit as >> nicely into my pocket. So I'd say that spending $50 or $60 is pretty >> reasonable for a good bluetooth keyboard. >> >> I have also seen a cool normal-sized keyboard that is made of silicon >> and that rolls up for easy fitting into a purse, but I don't know >> where you could buy this; I just met a friend who had one. >> >> Cindy >> >>> On 9/4/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>> Hi everyone, this is Helga. I’m considering in purchasing a bluetooth >>> keybord for my iPhone 5 this week. I was just wondering, what kind of >>> bluetooth keyboard do you guys recommend me to have? I’m not really so sure >>> which one to buy. Just to let you know, one of my Lighthouse instructor told >>> me to buy a Bluetooth keyboard called the “Apple Bluetooth Keyboard” from >>> the apple store, but she told me that this costs 60 dollars. Is this a good >>> bluetooth keyboard to have, or what other type of bluetooth keyboard do you >>> know about? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some >>> suggestions. Thanks and God bless!! >> >> >> -- >> Cindy Bennett >> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >> >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hot > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com From tyler at tysdomain.com Thu Sep 5 01:33:46 2013 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2013 21:33:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Keyboard for iPhone 5 In-Reply-To: <9D36C89E-4CF6-44F8-99A9-686E91FC536A@gmail.com> References: <9D36C89E-4CF6-44F8-99A9-686E91FC536A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5227DF7A.3030808@tysdomain.com> I bought the boxwave bluetooth keyboard. it's about $60 on amazon, but it's really nice and sleek and just snaps to the bottom of the phone. It also has a number row. On 9/4/2013 9:20 PM, Cindy wrote: > Yes, it is very good with voiceover. > > Cindy Bennett > > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 4, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> >> I just would like to know.And God bless! :-) Hi Cindy, I just would like to have a Bluetooth keyboard that I could take to college. so You Rickelme msecond one right question Also, does this keyboard works with voice over well? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 4, 2013, at 5:07 PM, "Cindy Bennett" wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It really depends on what type of bluetooth keyboard you want. The >>> Apple keyboard is awesome, but it is the size of a typical keyboard. >>> It looks like a laptop keyboard. I personally love laptop keyboards >>> since the rows on desktop keyboards elevate and I have small fingers, >>> but it isn't portable. >>> >>> I mentioned it the other day, but if you want something portable, I >>> think the one sold by A T Guys is great. It fits into my pocket with >>> my phone, has raised bumps on the F and the J, and the keys themselves >>> are discernable unlike many other small bluetooth keyboards that have >>> awkwardly sized keys and not enough tactile differentiation between >>> them. With shipping, I think that keyboard is $52, and you can find it >>> if you go to www.atguys.com. >>> >>> Their bluetooth keyboard is my third, after I tried a couple of cheap >>> ones from Amazon. I tried to adapt them but my high marks made out of >>> glue and nail polish fell off because of either rubber keys or me >>> using it a lot. And those keyboards didn't last and didn't fit as >>> nicely into my pocket. So I'd say that spending $50 or $60 is pretty >>> reasonable for a good bluetooth keyboard. >>> >>> I have also seen a cool normal-sized keyboard that is made of silicon >>> and that rolls up for easy fitting into a purse, but I don't know >>> where you could buy this; I just met a friend who had one. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>>> On 9/4/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, this is Helga. I’m considering in purchasing a bluetooth >>>> keybord for my iPhone 5 this week. I was just wondering, what kind of >>>> bluetooth keyboard do you guys recommend me to have? I’m not really so sure >>>> which one to buy. Just to let you know, one of my Lighthouse instructor told >>>> me to buy a Bluetooth keyboard called the “Apple Bluetooth Keyboard” from >>>> the apple store, but she told me that this costs 60 dollars. Is this a good >>>> bluetooth keyboard to have, or what other type of bluetooth keyboard do you >>>> know about? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some >>>> suggestions. Thanks and God bless!! >>> >>> -- >>> Cindy Bennett >>> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >>> >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hot >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Sep 5 01:57:08 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:57:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Keyboard for iPhone 5 In-Reply-To: <5227DF7A.3030808@tysdomain.com> References: <9D36C89E-4CF6-44F8-99A9-686E91FC536A@gmail.com> <5227DF7A.3030808@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <00dd01cea9db$3b978200$b2c68600$@gmail.com> That has nothing to do with at guys does it? How do you carry that keyboard? In your pocket, or something like that? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 9:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Keyboard for iPhone 5 I bought the boxwave bluetooth keyboard. it's about $60 on amazon, but it's really nice and sleek and just snaps to the bottom of the phone. It also has a number row. On 9/4/2013 9:20 PM, Cindy wrote: > Yes, it is very good with voiceover. > > Cindy Bennett > > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 4, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> >> I just would like to know.And God bless! :-) Hi Cindy, I just would like to have a Bluetooth keyboard that I could take to college. so You Rickelme msecond one right question Also, does this keyboard works with voice over well? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 4, 2013, at 5:07 PM, "Cindy Bennett" wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It really depends on what type of bluetooth keyboard you want. The >>> Apple keyboard is awesome, but it is the size of a typical keyboard. >>> It looks like a laptop keyboard. I personally love laptop keyboards >>> since the rows on desktop keyboards elevate and I have small fingers, >>> but it isn't portable. >>> >>> I mentioned it the other day, but if you want something portable, I >>> think the one sold by A T Guys is great. It fits into my pocket with >>> my phone, has raised bumps on the F and the J, and the keys themselves >>> are discernable unlike many other small bluetooth keyboards that have >>> awkwardly sized keys and not enough tactile differentiation between >>> them. With shipping, I think that keyboard is $52, and you can find it >>> if you go to www.atguys.com. >>> >>> Their bluetooth keyboard is my third, after I tried a couple of cheap >>> ones from Amazon. I tried to adapt them but my high marks made out of >>> glue and nail polish fell off because of either rubber keys or me >>> using it a lot. And those keyboards didn't last and didn't fit as >>> nicely into my pocket. So I'd say that spending $50 or $60 is pretty >>> reasonable for a good bluetooth keyboard. >>> >>> I have also seen a cool normal-sized keyboard that is made of silicon >>> and that rolls up for easy fitting into a purse, but I don't know >>> where you could buy this; I just met a friend who had one. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>>> On 9/4/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, this is Helga. I’m considering in purchasing a bluetooth >>>> keybord for my iPhone 5 this week. I was just wondering, what kind of >>>> bluetooth keyboard do you guys recommend me to have? I’m not really so sure >>>> which one to buy. Just to let you know, one of my Lighthouse instructor told >>>> me to buy a Bluetooth keyboard called the “Apple Bluetooth Keyboard” from >>>> the apple store, but she told me that this costs 60 dollars. Is this a good >>>> bluetooth keyboard to have, or what other type of bluetooth keyboard do you >>>> know about? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some >>>> suggestions. Thanks and God bless!! >>> >>> -- >>> Cindy Bennett >>> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >>> >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hot >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Thu Sep 5 02:36:47 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 22:36:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate In-Reply-To: References: <52272714.837fe00a.4492.161f@mx.google.com><8AB2E0880E4241AFB04CDBEDED2EA2D8@JAWS> Message-ID: Hello Arielle , This is the third message I have seen from Roanna regarding this issue on this email list. Her first message regarding this issue was posted several weeks ago. her second message was posted about a week ago. Since she was posting her question for the third time on this email list, I thought direct communication with the board might yield better results. Warm regards, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arielle Silverman" Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:05 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate > Hi all, > > For whatever it's worth, when I was president I think I always sent > the Slate out to this NABS-L list, and I'm pretty sure Sean does the > same. So if you are on this list you should get every issue as soon as > it is released. > > I would also suggest having a little patience with the NABS board > members. Roanna sent her inquiry early this morning and a complaint > about the lack of board response was sent merely an hour and a half > later. Even the most attentive board members may not be able to > respond within an hour and a half on a busy Wednesday morning at the > start of the semester. I would suggest waiting at least 24 hours and > if you still don't get a satisfactory response, you can think about > re-posting your query or writing to the relevant committee chair > off-list. I sincerely believe the board members are trying as hard as > they can to be responsive. > > Best, > Arielle > > On 9/4/13, I. C. Bray wrote: >> Tony, >> >> I'm not doing RSS Feeds, but perhaps I should look into it. >> Will you let us know when the email module is fixed? >> >> Ian >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tony Olivero" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate >> >> >> : Roanna, >> : >> : I have added your e-mail to the NABS mailing list. >> : >> : For everyone's information,and to clarify, the subscribe link you >> : clicked on brings you to what's called an RSS feed. You can add the >> : slate pages to a feed reader like you would a blog or news site. >> : Whenever a new issue is posted you would automatically see it in your >> : reader. I realize the language is confusing, and this week I will do >> : the following two things: >> : >> : 1. Change the language of that button to be a little more clear; and >> : 2. Get the module fixed that allows you to add yourself to that mailing >> list. >> : >> : Sorry for any confusion. Thanks for asking the question so we can make >> : it easy for everyone. >> : >> : Have a great day. >> : >> : Tony Olivero, Webmaster >> : National Association of Blind Students >> : >> : >> : On 9/4/13, Cindy Bennett wrote: >> : > Hi all, >> : > >> : > I hope that you are all doing well. >> : > >> : > I want to clear up any questions that anyone has about the student >> : > Slate and subscribing to it. >> : > >> : > First of all, I will look into the website and talk to our webmaster. >> : > >> : > I did not take the time to look through the NABS archives, but I >> would >> : > find it very surprising if we did not post the Slate to it. >> Currently, >> : > we have a database of members whose information is gathered at our >> : > in-person meetings (national convention and Washington Seminar) that >> : > we send the Slate to directly. And then, we post it to NABS and on >> the >> : > website. >> : > >> : > Roanna, I apologize that this issue has not been resolved for you, >> and >> : > I am emailing our webmaster now asking him to make sure your email >> : > address is on the recipient list. >> : > >> : > If anyone else is not receiving the Slate and would like their email >> : > address added, please feel free to respond to me offlist. Keep in >> mind >> : > that the Slate comes once a quarter. The last edition released was >> : > just before the national convention so that could have been cause for >> : > some people to miss it; I know that that time of year is usually >> crazy >> : > for me and I am not always on top of my emails. >> : > >> : > Again, on behalf of the board, I apologize for anyone's >> inconveniences >> : > in attempting to read the Slate or reach us. We appreciate the >> : > interest and are always looking for ideas of new articles and for >> more >> : > readers. Similarly, we want to hear from you about all of your ideas >> : > for NABS and questions and concerns about being a student, so please >> : > feel free to contact us. We do strive to stay on top of our emails, >> : > but I know that from personal experience, sometimes I am not as >> : > responsive as I should be. I know this is not ideal, but I hope that >> : > it does not detour you from reaching out to us again. >> : > >> : > Cindy >> : > >> : > On 9/4/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: >> : >> Hello Roanna, >> : >> >> : >> I am sorry to hear no one from the NABS Board or the NABS Slate >> Committee >> : >> has taken the time to answer your question. Since the last issue of >> the >> : >> Student Slate was only sent out to individual NABS members and was >> not >> : >> posted on any email lists, you would think there would be some kind >> of >> : >> form >> : >> >> : >> on the website to either subscribe to the Student Slate or become a >> : >> member >> : >> so you could receive a copy of the Student Slate. >> : >> >> : >> Since you have not received an answer to your question on this email >> list, >> : >> I >> : >> >> : >> would encourage you to contact Sean Whalen off list by sending an >> email >> : >> to >> : >> nabs.president at gmail.com. Perhaps he might be more inclined to >> answer >> : >> your >> : >> question if you contact him directly. In addition, I believe you can >> also >> : >> contact the Slate Committee directly by sending an email to >> : >> slate at nabslink.com. >> : >> >> : >> I hope this email points you in the right direction in receiving an >> : >> answer >> : >> >> : >> to your question. >> : >> >> : >> Elizabeth >> : >> >> : >> -------------------------------------------------- >> : >> From: "Roanna Baccchus" >> : >> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:26 AM >> : >> To: >> : >> Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate >> : >> >> : >>> Dear Nabs Members, >> : >>> >> : >>> I have a question for you. Yesterday I went to the Student Slate >> web >> : >>> page. I clicked the link that says subscribe to the Student Slate. >> : >>> Nothing came up that let me put in an email address or password. >> Is >> : >>> there >> : >>> >> : >>> any way to subscribe to the Student Slate. Please respond as soon >> as >> : >>> possible. >> : >>> >> : >>> _______________________________________________ >> : >>> nabs-l mailing list >> : >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> : >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> : >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> : >>> nabs-l: >> : >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> : >>> >> : >> >> : >> _______________________________________________ >> : >> nabs-l mailing list >> : >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> : >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> : >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> : >> nabs-l: >> : >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> : >> >> : > >> : > >> : > -- >> : > Cindy Bennett >> : > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >> : > >> : > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> : > clb5590 at gmail.com >> : > >> : > _______________________________________________ >> : > nabs-l mailing list >> : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> : > nabs-l: >> : > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anthony%40olivero.us >> : > >> : >> : _______________________________________________ >> : nabs-l mailing list >> : nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Thu Sep 5 05:13:08 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 00:13:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Braille Note Apex for sale Message-ID: >From: Tony Sohl >To: dandrews at visi.com >Subject: Braille Note Apex for sale > > >Hi I have a Braille Note 32 cell apex with Braille keyboard. This >unit is in excellent condition only 1 cell is not working and needs >to be replaced. The unit had to be sent in for repair once and this >was due to a defective processer and this was replaced at no cost. > >The issue with the braille cell is that it's giving me a shadow dot, >otherwise the unit is in excellent condition. The software has been >updated to the latest keysoft version and this is 9.3. > >I'm asking $1,500 for the unit and everything is included. All >cables, documentation and CD's are included. The price also includes >free shipping. > >If interested, you can e-mail me at: >tonysohl at samobile.net From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Sep 5 05:15:57 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 22:15:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Keyboard for iPhone 5 In-Reply-To: <00dd01cea9db$3b978200$b2c68600$@gmail.com> References: <9D36C89E-4CF6-44F8-99A9-686E91FC536A@gmail.com> <5227DF7A.3030808@tysdomain.com> <00dd01cea9db$3b978200$b2c68600$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It has everything to do wwith A T Guys, because they sell it. Yes, it fits in my pocket with my iPhone. Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > > That has nothing to do with at guys does it? How do you carry that keyboard? In your pocket, or something like that? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 9:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Keyboard for iPhone 5 > > I bought the boxwave bluetooth keyboard. it's about $60 on amazon, but it's really nice and sleek and just snaps to the bottom of the phone. It also has a number row. >> On 9/4/2013 9:20 PM, Cindy wrote: >> Yes, it is very good with voiceover. >> >> Cindy Bennett >> >> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >> >> B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 4, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>> >>> I just would like to know.And God bless! :-) Hi Cindy, I just would like to have a Bluetooth keyboard that I could take to college. so You Rickelme msecond one right question Also, does this keyboard works with voice over well? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 4, 2013, at 5:07 PM, "Cindy Bennett" wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> It really depends on what type of bluetooth keyboard you want. The >>>> Apple keyboard is awesome, but it is the size of a typical keyboard. >>>> It looks like a laptop keyboard. I personally love laptop keyboards >>>> since the rows on desktop keyboards elevate and I have small fingers, >>>> but it isn't portable. >>>> >>>> I mentioned it the other day, but if you want something portable, I >>>> think the one sold by A T Guys is great. It fits into my pocket with >>>> my phone, has raised bumps on the F and the J, and the keys themselves >>>> are discernable unlike many other small bluetooth keyboards that have >>>> awkwardly sized keys and not enough tactile differentiation between >>>> them. With shipping, I think that keyboard is $52, and you can find it >>>> if you go to www.atguys.com. >>>> >>>> Their bluetooth keyboard is my third, after I tried a couple of cheap >>>> ones from Amazon. I tried to adapt them but my high marks made out of >>>> glue and nail polish fell off because of either rubber keys or me >>>> using it a lot. And those keyboards didn't last and didn't fit as >>>> nicely into my pocket. So I'd say that spending $50 or $60 is pretty >>>> reasonable for a good bluetooth keyboard. >>>> >>>> I have also seen a cool normal-sized keyboard that is made of silicon >>>> and that rolls up for easy fitting into a purse, but I don't know >>>> where you could buy this; I just met a friend who had one. >>>> >>>> Cindy >>>> >>>>> On 9/4/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>>>> Hi everyone, this is Helga. I’m considering in purchasing a bluetooth >>>>> keybord for my iPhone 5 this week. I was just wondering, what kind of >>>>> bluetooth keyboard do you guys recommend me to have? I’m not really so sure >>>>> which one to buy. Just to let you know, one of my Lighthouse instructor told >>>>> me to buy a Bluetooth keyboard called the “Apple Bluetooth Keyboard” from >>>>> the apple store, but she told me that this costs 60 dollars. Is this a good >>>>> bluetooth keyboard to have, or what other type of bluetooth keyboard do you >>>>> know about? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some >>>>> suggestions. Thanks and God bless!! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cindy Bennett >>>> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com From brailleprincess at gmail.com Thu Sep 5 15:56:37 2013 From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 11:56:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] saving documents to a flash drive using windows 8 Message-ID: Hi all, does anyone know the hot key for saving documents to a flash drive using windows 8? Typically after going into the save as dialog box I can press alt+i to bring up the save in option, but this doesn't work for me using windows 8. Thanks, Kayla From nightfury19 at verizon.net Thu Sep 5 19:25:22 2013 From: nightfury19 at verizon.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:25:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible is DropBox References: <03a001cea961$098c13e0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> <3587358837169086170@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <040f01ceaa6d$aac16000$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> That's very good news to hear...thank you. Melissa ----- Original Message ----- From: "christopher nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How accessible is DropBox > DropBox is very accessible and easy to use with JAWS. There is also an > accessible iPhone app which allows you to access all the documents in > your Dropbox from your phone. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Melissa Hambleton > wrote: > >> I may be using DropBox for school and I was wondering how accessible it >> is. I'm using XP >> and JAWS 12. Is there a website I can get more information from and any >> pointers to share about DropBox? >> >> Thank you, >> Melissa >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nightfury19%40verizon.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6131 - Release Date: 09/02/13 > From nightfury19 at verizon.net Thu Sep 5 19:27:17 2013 From: nightfury19 at verizon.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:27:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible is DropBox References: <03a001cea961$098c13e0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> <3587358837169086170@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <041501ceaa6d$ef9b90b0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Sounds very promising and I like not having to deal with a bunch of emails getting cluttered up...thank you. Melissa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaiti Shelton" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How accessible is DropBox > Truth be told some of the features on the web site are not the most > accessible, but using the program itself is. I still have trouble > creating shared folders because the site does weird things with my IE > and JAWS, but once those folders are created I'm fine. > > It will really make sharing assignments easier for you. No more > emails cluttering your inbox or flashdrives to keep track of. > > On 9/4/13, christopher nusbaum wrote: >> DropBox is very accessible and easy to use with JAWS. There is also an >> accessible iPhone app which allows you to access all the documents in >> your Dropbox from your phone. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 4, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Melissa Hambleton >> wrote: >> >>> I may be using DropBox for school and I was wondering how accessible it >>> is. I'm using XP >>> and JAWS 12. Is there a website I can get more information from and any >>> pointers to share about DropBox? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Melissa >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nightfury19%40verizon.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6131 - Release Date: 09/02/13 > From nightfury19 at verizon.net Thu Sep 5 19:28:06 2013 From: nightfury19 at verizon.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:28:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible is DropBox References: <03a001cea961$098c13e0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> <52275830.2020108@comcast.net> Message-ID: <041b01ceaa6e$0c9997c0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> Thank you for the information. Melissa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Taurasi" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How accessible is DropBox > On 9/4/2013 5:22 AM, Melissa Hambleton wrote: >> I may be using DropBox for school and I was wondering how accessible it >> is. I'm using XP >> and JAWS 12. Is there a website I can get more information from and any >> pointers to share about DropBox? >> >> Thank you, >> Melissa >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net >> > Dropbox is pretty accessible with JAWS, but I am using NVDA and Firefox > which allows me to make it even more accessible. It allows me to navigate > to the place where you enter someone's email address when you're sharing > folders. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nightfury19%40verizon.net > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6131 - Release Date: 09/02/13 > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Sep 5 21:34:56 2013 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:34:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: New Generation Victor Reader Stream - version 4.2 upgrade In-Reply-To: <1378395539.5228a5931e19c@swift.generated> References: <1378395539.5228a5931e19c@swift.generated> Message-ID: <003001ceaa7f$c48370c0$4d8a5240$@gmail.com> From: HumanWare [mailto:marcom at humanware.com] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 8:39 AM To: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Subject: New Generation Victor Reader Stream - version 4.2 upgrade Having trouble viewing this e-mail? Click here HumanWare logo. see things. differently. New Generation Victor Reader Stream - version 4.2 update New Generation Victor Reader Stream, version 4.2 upgrade September 5, 2013 — HumanWare is pleased to announce the latest software upgrade, version 4.2, for the popular new generation Victor Reader Stream portable digital talking book player. "The Victor Reader Stream is HumanWare's most popular product, and we are pleased to offer our customers exciting and useful new capabilities with this software upgrade," says Matthew Janusauskas, Technical Product Manager for Victor Reader products. "We have added enriched media choices for avid Stream users, from important sources like the National Federation of the Blind and Bookshare®, as well as support for Microsoft® Windows Media®." NFB-NEWSLINE®, a service of the National Federation of the Blind, offers 327 national and local newspapers and 40 magazines to its more than 100,000 users. Stream owners can enter their account information directly on the Stream and begin receiving their favorite newspapers and magazines wirelessly without a PC or telephone. Stream automatically synchronizes with NFB-NEWSLINE and maintains the same issues of publications that are found on the server, which usually includes today's edition, yesterday's edition and the previous Sunday edition for newspapers and the latest 2 editions for magazines. Bookshare® has more than 200,000 books available for its 260,000 members, and the Stream will now be able to search the entire Bookshare online library, provide wireless book downloads, and automatically unpack and decrypt downloads using the member's account credentials. "HumanWare has had a long and successful affiliation with the NFB and with Bookshare, so we are happy that we can continue to have a close relationship with these fine organizations with our products and their content, to the benefit of our mutual customers" remarked Gilles Pepin, CEO of HumanWare. Version 4.2 is a free download for Stream customers, and can be installed automatically over a wireless connection, downloaded from HumanWare's web site or installed by using the free HumanWare Companion PC software application. "We are thrilled that access to NFB-NEWSLINE® content is now integrated into Victor Reader Stream, making it easier than ever for our subscribers to download and read their favorite content with this groundbreaking device," said Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind. "We have a wonderful working relationship with HumanWare and look forward to continuing to work with the company to make the ever-expanding selection of NFB-NEWSLINE® content available through its products." "The ability to search, download, and read books wirelessly on the Stream will greatly improve the ease and reading experience for Bookshare members. We applaud this update and look forward to serving many happy Stream users." added Betsy Beaumon, VP and General Manager of Global Literacy at Benetech. Webinar Join HumanWare product managers Matthew Janusauskas and Greg Stilson for a webinar to learn about how recent software updates to both the popular Victor Reader Stream, and BrailleNote Apex make access to books and classroom materials simpler than ever before. Start off the school year on the right foot. Don't wait for your classroom materials. 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For more information, go to: http://visit.humanware.com/e/3332/2013-09-05/3576nl/641317375 NFB-NEWSLINE® is a registered trademark of the National Federation of the Blind. For more information, go to: http://visit.humanware.com/e/3332/2013-09-05/3576nq/641317375 1 800-722-3393 This message was sent to avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com on September 5, 2013. HumanWare, 1 UPS Way, Champlain, NY 12919, USA Unsubscribe from our newsletter. Like us on Facebook! Follow us on Twitter! From dandrews at visi.com Fri Sep 6 03:06:07 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 22:06:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [HIMS-News] Announcing the release of Sense notetaker V8.0 patch. Message-ID: > >HIMS is pleased to announce the release of the V8.0 firmware patch >for the Braille Sense and Voice Sense notetakers. > >This release restores access to our Web Browser and google Talk, >includes several fixes for e-mail, and adds QWERTY keyboard >functionality for VoiceOver for iOS as well as other small fixes and >enhancements. > >. Please see the attached Release Note for details on all the new >features, enhancements and bug fixes in this release. > > > >WARNING!! After upgrading the notetaker firmware, all system >settings are restored to their defaults. If you have made changes to >the system settings, you may wish to back them up before upgrading, >so you can restore them after the upgrade is complete. Please use >the "Backup/Restore" option in the "Utilities" menu to back up your >option settings. We also strongly advise backing up your files. >Though the upgrade itself should not destroy data on the internal >flash disk, users should also consider backing up their files in >case unexpected problems arise during the upgrade process. Please >use the File Manager to copy your data to an external storage device >such as an SD card or USB drive. > >To Braille Sense PLUS and Braille Sense PLUS QWERTY users running >6.1 or earlier, this is especially important for you, as the flash >disk may disappear after the upgrade and require reformatting before >you can access it. > >Special notice to Braille Sense OnHand, Braille Sense PLUS, Braille >Sense PLUS QWERTY, and Voice Sense QWERTY users: > >If you are upgrading from a version below 6.2, you must reformat >your flash disk due to the creation of a partition for housing the >NLS and Learning Ally keys. Please make sure to back up your data >before formatting. Voice Sense users need not reformat as NLS and >Learning Ally content playback cannot be supported on these models >due to the limited size of the internal flash disk. > > Upgrading using the Online Method: > >To upgrade using the online method, follow the steps below. > >1. Connect your notetaker to AC power, and ensure you have an active >internet connection. > >2. From the main "Program" menu, press "U" to open the "Utilities" menu. > >3. Press "U" again for "Upgrade Firmware". > >4. When prompted, "Upgrade Online?" press "Enter". > >5. The notetaker checks for new firmware. If it finds it, you are >prompted, "Are you sure you want to upgrade?" The default is "Yes". > >6. Press "Enter" to initiate the download and upgrade process. > >7. When the files are downloaded, the upgrade process begins. While >the unit is upgrading, progress is displayed on the Braille display >in the form of a percentage and progress beeps are heard. Please do >not press buttons or power off the unit during the upgrade process >as this may result in an incomplete installation. > >8. When the upgrade is complete, the unit reboots and places you in >the main "Program" menu. Press "Space-V" (FN-V) to verify your >notetaker is running firmware version 8.0, build 09/-5. > >Upgrading using the Offline Method: > >To upgrade using the Offline method, please download the firmware >using the links below. > >Braille Sense U2: > >http://www.hims-inc.com/Upgrade/Braille_Sense_U2_US_V800_130905.zip > > >Braille Sense U2 QWERTY: > >http://www.hims-inc.com/Upgrade/Braille_Sense_U2_QWERTY_US_V800_130905.zip > > >Braille Sense PLUS: > >http://www.hims-inc.com/Upgrade/Braille_Sense_PLUS_B32_US_V800_130905.zip > > >Braille Sense PLUS QWERTY: > >http://www.hims-inc.com/Upgrade/Braille_Sense_PLUS_B32_QX_US_V800_130905.zip > > >Braille Sense OnHand: > >http://www.hims-inc.com/Upgrade/Braille_Sense_OnHand_US_V800_130905.zip > > >Voice Sense: > >http://www.hims-inc.com/Upgrade/Voice_Sense_US_V800_130905.zip > > >Voice Sense QWERTY: > >http://www.hims-inc.com/Upgrade/Voice_Sense_QX_US_V800_130905.zip > > > > >Note: There is no upgrade available for Braille Sense Classic beyond >version 6.2 > > > >Follow the instructions below to upgrade your Sense notetaker > >1. Download the zip file containing the firmware to your PC. > >2. Extract the zip file on your PC; the extracted folder should >contain three files for Braille Sense PLUS, Braille Sense PLUS >QWERTY, Braille Sense OnHand, Voice Sense QWERTY, and Voice Sense. >(The Braille Sense U2 and Braille Sense U2 QWERTY upgrade contains >only 2 files) > >3. Copy the files and paste them into the root of an external >storage device such as an SD card or USB thumb drive. > >4. Connect the external storage device to the Sense Notetaker. > >5. Connect your notetaker to AC power. > >6. From the main "Program" menu, press "U" to open the "Utilities" menu. > >7. Press "U" again for "Upgrade Firmware". > >8. When prompted, "Upgrade Online?" press "Space-4" (Down arrow) to >move to "Offline", and press "Enter". > >9. The notetaker checks for new firmware on your external storage >devices. If it finds it, you are prompted, "Are you sure you want to >upgrade?" The default is "Yes". > >10. Press "Enter" to initiate the upgrade process. > >11. The upgrade process begins. While the unit is upgrading, >progress is displayed on the Braille display in the form of a >percentage, and progress beeps are heard. Please do not press >buttons or power off the unit during the upgrade process as this may >result in an incomplete installation. > >12. When the upgrade is complete, the unit reboots and places you in >the main "Program" menu. Press "Space-V" (FN-V) to verify your >notetaker is running firmware version 8.0 build 09/05. > >If you have questions or problems, please contact HIMS Technical >Support at 512-837-2000 or email >support at hims-inc.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Release-Notes-for-Sense-Notetaker-version-8-0-Patch.docx Type: application/mac-binhex40 Size: 40721 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nfbfrida at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 14:54:39 2013 From: nfbfrida at gmail.com (Frida Aizenman) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 07:54:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Keyboard for iPhone 5 In-Reply-To: References: <9D36C89E-4CF6-44F8-99A9-686E91FC536A@gmail.com> <5227DF7A.3030808@tysdomain.com> <00dd01cea9db$3b978200$b2c68600$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5229ECAF.1010208@gmail.com> On 9/4/2013 10:15 PM, Cindy wrote: > It has everything to do wwith A T Guys, because they sell it. Yes, it fits in my pocket with my iPhone. > > Cindy Bennett > > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 4, 2013, at 6:57 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >> >> That has nothing to do with at guys does it? How do you carry that keyboard? In your pocket, or something like that? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler >> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 9:34 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Keyboard for iPhone 5 >> >> I bought the boxwave bluetooth keyboard. it's about $60 on amazon, but it's really nice and sleek and just snaps to the bottom of the phone. It also has a number row. >>> On 9/4/2013 9:20 PM, Cindy wrote: >>> Yes, it is very good with voiceover. >>> >>> Cindy Bennett >>> >>> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >>> >>> B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 4, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>>> >>>> I just would like to know.And God bless! :-) Hi Cindy, I just would like to have a Bluetooth keyboard that I could take to college. so You Rickelme msecond one right question Also, does this keyboard works with voice over well? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Sep 4, 2013, at 5:07 PM, "Cindy Bennett" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> It really depends on what type of bluetooth keyboard you want. The >>>>> Apple keyboard is awesome, but it is the size of a typical keyboard. >>>>> It looks like a laptop keyboard. I personally love laptop keyboards >>>>> since the rows on desktop keyboards elevate and I have small fingers, >>>>> but it isn't portable. >>>>> >>>>> I mentioned it the other day, but if you want something portable, I >>>>> think the one sold by A T Guys is great. It fits into my pocket with >>>>> my phone, has raised bumps on the F and the J, and the keys themselves >>>>> are discernable unlike many other small bluetooth keyboards that have >>>>> awkwardly sized keys and not enough tactile differentiation between >>>>> them. With shipping, I think that keyboard is $52, and you can find it >>>>> if you go to www.atguys.com. >>>>> >>>>> Their bluetooth keyboard is my third, after I tried a couple of cheap >>>>> ones from Amazon. I tried to adapt them but my high marks made out of >>>>> glue and nail polish fell off because of either rubber keys or me >>>>> using it a lot. And those keyboards didn't last and didn't fit as >>>>> nicely into my pocket. So I'd say that spending $50 or $60 is pretty >>>>> reasonable for a good bluetooth keyboard. >>>>> >>>>> I have also seen a cool normal-sized keyboard that is made of silicon >>>>> and that rolls up for easy fitting into a purse, but I don't know >>>>> where you could buy this; I just met a friend who had one. >>>>> >>>>> Cindy >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/4/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>>>>> Hi everyone, this is Helga. I’m considering in purchasing a bluetooth >>>>>> keybord for my iPhone 5 this week. I was just wondering, what kind of >>>>>> bluetooth keyboard do you guys recommend me to have? I’m not really so sure >>>>>> which one to buy. Just to let you know, one of my Lighthouse instructor told >>>>>> me to buy a Bluetooth keyboard called the “Apple Bluetooth Keyboard” from >>>>>> the apple store, but she told me that this costs 60 dollars. Is this a good >>>>>> bluetooth keyboard to have, or what other type of bluetooth keyboard do you >>>>>> know about? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some >>>>>> suggestions. Thanks and God bless!! >>>>> -- >>>>> Cindy Bennett >>>>> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com I heard that keyboards are battery operated and you continue typing without knowing that the keyboard stopped working because the battery needs charging. I never used one, but, that's what I heard. From ALewis at nfb.org Fri Sep 6 15:21:38 2013 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 15:21:38 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] CALL FOR PAPERS on the Americans with Disabilities Act Message-ID: <72D51A25A403F249A0FC4A94A0D9640D5CD5D756@CH1PRD0710MB380.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> CALL FOR PAPERS 2015 Special Issue of Disability Studies Quarterly on the Americans with Disabilities Act In 2015, Disability Studies Quarterly will publish a Special Issue to mark the 25th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act. The ADA has been a watershed in American disability policy, with far-reaching effects on the status of Americans with disabilities, but has fallen far short of the expectations for social transformation with which it was enacted in 1990. The Special Issue will commemorate the ADA's 25th anniversary with both a look back at how the ADA has affected the disability community and the larger society, and an assessment of future prospects for attaining the ADA's goals of inclusion and empowerment. Papers that are related (broadly) to the ADA are invited from scholars from any academic or professional discipline, disability policy professionals and advocates, and from disability activists. The issue will strive to incorporate a diverse variety of perspectives within disability studies. Priority for selection will be given to manuscripts that are broadly framed and advance our understanding of the direct and indirect consequences of the ADA for people with disabilities, rather than those which focus on narrow legal, policy, or technical aspects of the Act. Some examples of potential paper topics include, but would not be limited to: The History of the Americans with Disabilities Act The ADA and Disability Law The ADA and the Workplace/Workforce The ADA and Public Accommodation The ADA and Community Living The ADA and Disability in the Arts and Popular Culture The ADA and Health Care Disability Culture and Pride Since the Passage of the ADA Disability Politics Since the Passage of the ADA The Global Impact of the ADA and the U.N. Convention Technology, Disability, and the ADA All submitted papers will be subject to peer review, and revisions may be requested for inclusion in the Special Issue. The deadline for submission of proposals is June 1, 2014. We anticipate that peer review and editing would be completed, and the complete issue will be submitted to DSQ before the end of 2014. Proposals or questions about the Special Issue may be directed to Richard Scotch, Special Issue Editor, at . Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. Director of Advocacy and Policy "Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) (410) 685-5653 (FAX) Email: alewis at nfb.org Web: www.nfb.org twitter: @anillife From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Fri Sep 6 15:53:55 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 11:53:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Math and pdf In-Reply-To: <5226B6AF.3040707@gmail.com> References: <5226B6AF.3040707@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Dzhovani, this is Helga. What's up? Have you talked to your DSS Adviser regarding this situation? By the way, I just wwanted to tell you that PDF doesn't work with math equations very well, due to the fact that when it comes to numbers that have to the power of and exponents, JaWS doesn't read them very well! I actually tried it before for my Intermediate Algebra and College Algebra class... I'm actually taking a Pre Calculous class this semester, and I have a Braille math book... Maybe what DSS should do is provide you the formulas in Braille in orderr for you to use them and read them. Hope this helps! God bless!! :-) a Sent from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2013, at 12:27 AM, "Dzhovani" wrote: > Hi all, > I'm Dzhovani and this fall I will take a calculus course at my university. Unfortunately, braille textbook is not available, so the publisher offered me a pdf file with the textbook which they called "accessible". However, when I opened the file, while the text was readable, the math formulas were presented just as blank spaces. > Does anybody have an idea how I can access the math parts of the document? > I'm using Windows 7 with Jaws13 and NVDA. > Thanks in advance, > Dzhovani > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From i.c.bray at win.net Fri Sep 6 17:16:24 2013 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 13:16:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Multi-Post: Braille Displays and feedback. Message-ID: <5B8721D0C3DC4358AD4CA6814B8A0D71@JAWS> OK, Guys... I just decided to borrow some old equipment to tinker with, and get used to braille on a PC with JAWS. It has been a while since my System Analyst days, and something just struck me. Any of you who are partially sighted, or who have recently lost sight, will know what a multi head ( monitor ) machine is, and how much fun it is to be able to use multiple monitors. Does anyone have any experience with multiple braille displays on one computer? I mean... I can certainly see how it would be nice ( and nutz ) to try. Since a braille terminal / display is effectively our monitor, I was just hypothesising... Does anyone know if it will work? If so, what hardware have you used / seen like this? Does someone out there need a fun, quirky research project for a CS class?? LOL!! Ian From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 23:35:30 2013 From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 18:35:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Math and pdf In-Reply-To: References: <5226B6AF.3040707@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dzhovani, Who is your textbook provider? I am curious because I am taking Calculas this semester too. this sort of sound like my situation with my textbook provider, which is Pearson. If this is the provider I personally have some contact to some specific people who I think will be helpful to you in this situation. Tamika Williams On 9/6/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi Dzhovani, this is Helga. What's up? Have you talked to your DSS Adviser > regarding this situation? By the way, I just wwanted to tell you that PDF > doesn't work with math equations very well, due to the fact that when it > comes to numbers that have to the power of and exponents, JaWS doesn't read > them very well! I actually tried it before for my Intermediate Algebra and > College Algebra class... I'm actually taking a Pre Calculous class this > semester, and I have a Braille math book... Maybe what DSS should do is > provide you the formulas in Braille in orderr for you to use them and read > them. Hope this helps! God bless!! :-) a > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2013, at 12:27 AM, "Dzhovani" > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I'm Dzhovani and this fall I will take a calculus course at my >> university. Unfortunately, braille textbook is not available, so the >> publisher offered me a pdf file with the textbook which they called >> "accessible". However, when I opened the file, while the text was >> readable, the math formulas were presented just as blank spaces. >> Does anybody have an idea how I can access the math parts of the >> document? >> I'm using Windows 7 with Jaws13 and NVDA. >> Thanks in advance, >> Dzhovani >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jaguars%40gmail.com > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Sep 7 00:32:46 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 19:32:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] signing up for NFB newsline Message-ID: <522a7434.6649ec0a.3a94.1fb4@mx.google.com> Hey NABS people! A while back, I downloaded the NFB Newsline app on my phone, but I don't know how to sign up. Tis feature isn't included on the app. Do I have to call a number or go to a website? Any help would be appreciated. I hope all of your school years are going well. Sincerely, Sophie From n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com Sat Sep 7 01:26:44 2013 From: n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com (Shreyas N Reddy) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 06:56:44 +0530 Subject: [nabs-l] Math and pdf In-Reply-To: <5226B6AF.3040707@gmail.com> References: <5226B6AF.3040707@gmail.com> Message-ID: hi! I am Shreyas & I am a passive member of this list.... Zavani *& others, will a program called math ml be useful? I am not sure but one of my friend uses the program or software and his web browser make compatible to JAWS & JAWS announces the formulae... This is my suggestion though On 9/4/13, Dzhovani wrote: > Hi all, > I'm Dzhovani and this fall I will take a calculus course at my > university. Unfortunately, braille textbook is not available, so the > publisher offered me a pdf file with the textbook which they called > "accessible". However, when I opened the file, while the text was > readable, the math formulas were presented just as blank spaces. > Does anybody have an idea how I can access the math parts of the > document? > I'm using Windows 7 with Jaws13 and NVDA. > Thanks in advance, > Dzhovani > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/n.shreyas.reddy%40gmail.com > -- in regards Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Sat Sep 7 10:50:12 2013 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (Ryan Bishop) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 03:50:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] signing up for NFB newsline In-Reply-To: <522a7434.6649ec0a.3a94.1fb4@mx.google.com> References: <522a7434.6649ec0a.3a94.1fb4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Sophie, there are a couple of ways for you to sign up for newsline. 1 way is to call your states talking book Library who can help you in getting signed up. You can find that information if you don't have it already at http://www.loc.gov/nls/index.html you can also call the national federation for the blind toal-free at 1 (866) 504-7300 and request they send you an application. there is one more way to do it as well. and that is filling out the online application. That can be found by visiting: https://www.nfbnewsline.net/Nl2/NL2NewUserReqInput.jsp Any of these should work. If not let me know. Hope this helps! Ryan On 9/6/13, Sophie Trist wrote: > Hey NABS people! A while back, I downloaded the NFB Newsline app > on my phone, but I don't know how to sign up. Tis feature isn't > included on the app. Do I have to call a number or go to a > website? Any help would be appreciated. I hope all of your school > years are going well. > > Sincerely, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.com > -- ---------------- Ryan Bishop E-Mail Address: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Mobile Number: --- "A Loss of site, Never a loss of vision" From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Sat Sep 7 11:35:11 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 05:35:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] ringtone makers for computer that works with nvda Message-ID: <522B0F6F.60003@comcast.net> Hey, Nabs people. How many of us know how to do ringtone makers on a computer? I wanted to try the ringtone maker by Fried Cookie, whatever that was, but it installed loads of "spam" on the computer's hard drive, so I uninstalled it, sadly. Anyway, I'd like to know if any of you on this list knows of an accessible with all screen readers ringtone maker for windows that Ii can make ringtones for iphones with. I plan to purchase an iphone for those of you who were curious to know why I was doing this, but that's all I want to say about that, but come on, I need some recommendations for ringtone makers that will make good sounds for my phone. Not just that, but text, email alerts, tweet sounds, etc. Thanks all in advance. Beth From tyler at tysdomain.com Sat Sep 7 13:30:44 2013 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 09:30:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ringtone makers for computer that works with nvda In-Reply-To: <522B0F6F.60003@comcast.net> References: <522B0F6F.60003@comcast.net> Message-ID: <522B2A84.9060203@tysdomain.com> On 9/7/2013 7:35 AM, Beth Taurasi wrote: > Hey, Nabs people. How many of us know how to do ringtone makers on a > computer? I wanted to try the ringtone maker by Fried Cookie, > whatever that was, but it installed loads of "spam" on the computer's > hard drive, so I uninstalled it, sadly. Anyway, I'd like to know if > any of you on this list knows of an accessible with all screen readers > ringtone maker for windows that Ii can make ringtones for iphones > with. I plan to purchase an iphone for those of you who were curious > to know why I was doing this, but that's all I want to say about that, > but come on, I need some recommendations for ringtone makers that will > make good sounds for my phone. Not just that, but text, email alerts, > tweet sounds, etc. > Thanks all in advance. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org I just use goldwave. I take a song, find where I want and set the markers, then cut it out. Then I can trim it out and fade the beginning 1 second in and fade out the last 2 and change the volume. It's a bit of a pain because you need to import it into ITunes, find it in your media library and change it to m4r after you convert to AAC, then reimport. Takes about a minute. I've not found any kind of ringtone maker that works as well. From jsoro620 at gmail.com Sat Sep 7 15:32:59 2013 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 11:32:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How accessible is DropBox In-Reply-To: References: <03a001cea961$098c13e0$0201a8c0@bfa617c5f939410> <3587358837169086170@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <015801ceabdf$88a403b0$99ec0b10$@gmail.com> I've pasted two links below. The first is an article on how to handle folder management with JAWS, though the tips should be applicable to all screen readers. Forgive me if it's already been posted here: http://www.hartgen.org/node/215 The second is of course to my own Dropbox sign-up! Hey, you get half a gig of bonus space. I get the same. Everyone's a winner, right? http://db.tt/tRuvDa6 Joe -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 11:09 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How accessible is DropBox Truth be told some of the features on the web site are not the most accessible, but using the program itself is. I still have trouble creating shared folders because the site does weird things with my IE and JAWS, but once those folders are created I'm fine. It will really make sharing assignments easier for you. No more emails cluttering your inbox or flashdrives to keep track of. On 9/4/13, christopher nusbaum wrote: > DropBox is very accessible and easy to use with JAWS. There is also an > accessible iPhone app which allows you to access all the documents in > your Dropbox from your phone. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 4, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Melissa Hambleton > > wrote: > >> I may be using DropBox for school and I was wondering how accessible >> it is. I'm using XP and JAWS 12. Is there a website I can get more >> information from and any pointers to share about DropBox? >> >> Thank you, >> Melissa >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40 >> gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sat Sep 7 18:42:24 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 14:42:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate In-Reply-To: References: <52272714.837fe00a.4492.161f@mx.google.com><8AB2E0880E4241AFB04CDBEDED2EA2D8@JAWS> Message-ID: Hello Arielle, I have reread your message after getting some much needed sleep, and I cannot help but notice that you seemed to have seen my message as some sort of complaint. I cannot help but wonder, how is it that my message is seen as a complaint while your message is not despite the fact that they appear to convey the same kind of message? I spent about a week away from this email list to attend to some personal matters in my life. When I returned to the list, I saw Roanna sent out a message about subscribing to the Student Slate on August 21, 2013. I was not completely sure what she was referring to in her message, so I thought I would check out the website to find out what she was talking about before responding to her message. However, by the time I was about to respond to her message, I saw she posted a second message about a week after her initial post. I thought it was rather sad that no one from the NABS board or Slate committee responded to her post. It does not seem unreasonable to expect someone from the NABS board to respond to an email within the week in which it was posted. This is why I offered an apology as a part of my response to her message. I then went on to provide what information I could in regards to this issue as a general member. If you feel as though this information is incorrect, then perhaps you may wish to encourage the NABS board to communicate with the general membership on public forums such as this one on a more regular basis. In the past, the NABS board has done a good job posting issues of the Student Slate to all of the student email lists. However, it would appear as though the last issue of the Student Slate was only posted through the current membership database and not through the email lists. As a general member, I did not know if this was a permanent feature of a new delivery system, or simply an oversight due to convention activities. I am glad to hear it was nothing more than an oversight, and most likely will not happen again. However, I am not sure how I am expected to know this information as a general member when we do not hear from the BABS board on a regular basis. I also do not appreciate being scolded for doing my best to answer a question from another member on this email list despite the fact that I could not provide an adequate answer as a general member. I simply did my best to provide her with the information I knew as a general member, and then pointed her in the direction of someone who could provide her with more accurate information. I fail to see how this qualifies as some sort of complaint. I agree that patience is definitely the key when corresponding with the NABS board. I believe Roanna displayed this kind of patience considering the fact that she first posted her question to this list about a month ago. Please forgive me for not displaying this same kind of patience. I simply felt as though she deserved an answer to her question. Warm regards, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arielle Silverman" Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:05 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate > Hi all, > > For whatever it's worth, when I was president I think I always sent > the Slate out to this NABS-L list, and I'm pretty sure Sean does the > same. So if you are on this list you should get every issue as soon as > it is released. > > I would also suggest having a little patience with the NABS board > members. Roanna sent her inquiry early this morning and a complaint > about the lack of board response was sent merely an hour and a half > later. Even the most attentive board members may not be able to > respond within an hour and a half on a busy Wednesday morning at the > start of the semester. I would suggest waiting at least 24 hours and > if you still don't get a satisfactory response, you can think about > re-posting your query or writing to the relevant committee chair > off-list. I sincerely believe the board members are trying as hard as > they can to be responsive. > > Best, > Arielle > > On 9/4/13, I. C. Bray wrote: >> Tony, >> >> I'm not doing RSS Feeds, but perhaps I should look into it. >> Will you let us know when the email module is fixed? >> >> Ian >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tony Olivero" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate >> >> >> : Roanna, >> : >> : I have added your e-mail to the NABS mailing list. >> : >> : For everyone's information,and to clarify, the subscribe link you >> : clicked on brings you to what's called an RSS feed. You can add the >> : slate pages to a feed reader like you would a blog or news site. >> : Whenever a new issue is posted you would automatically see it in your >> : reader. I realize the language is confusing, and this week I will do >> : the following two things: >> : >> : 1. Change the language of that button to be a little more clear; and >> : 2. Get the module fixed that allows you to add yourself to that mailing >> list. >> : >> : Sorry for any confusion. Thanks for asking the question so we can make >> : it easy for everyone. >> : >> : Have a great day. >> : >> : Tony Olivero, Webmaster >> : National Association of Blind Students >> : >> : >> : On 9/4/13, Cindy Bennett wrote: >> : > Hi all, >> : > >> : > I hope that you are all doing well. >> : > >> : > I want to clear up any questions that anyone has about the student >> : > Slate and subscribing to it. >> : > >> : > First of all, I will look into the website and talk to our webmaster. >> : > >> : > I did not take the time to look through the NABS archives, but I >> would >> : > find it very surprising if we did not post the Slate to it. >> Currently, >> : > we have a database of members whose information is gathered at our >> : > in-person meetings (national convention and Washington Seminar) that >> : > we send the Slate to directly. And then, we post it to NABS and on >> the >> : > website. >> : > >> : > Roanna, I apologize that this issue has not been resolved for you, >> and >> : > I am emailing our webmaster now asking him to make sure your email >> : > address is on the recipient list. >> : > >> : > If anyone else is not receiving the Slate and would like their email >> : > address added, please feel free to respond to me offlist. Keep in >> mind >> : > that the Slate comes once a quarter. The last edition released was >> : > just before the national convention so that could have been cause for >> : > some people to miss it; I know that that time of year is usually >> crazy >> : > for me and I am not always on top of my emails. >> : > >> : > Again, on behalf of the board, I apologize for anyone's >> inconveniences >> : > in attempting to read the Slate or reach us. We appreciate the >> : > interest and are always looking for ideas of new articles and for >> more >> : > readers. Similarly, we want to hear from you about all of your ideas >> : > for NABS and questions and concerns about being a student, so please >> : > feel free to contact us. We do strive to stay on top of our emails, >> : > but I know that from personal experience, sometimes I am not as >> : > responsive as I should be. I know this is not ideal, but I hope that >> : > it does not detour you from reaching out to us again. >> : > >> : > Cindy >> : > >> : > On 9/4/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: >> : >> Hello Roanna, >> : >> >> : >> I am sorry to hear no one from the NABS Board or the NABS Slate >> Committee >> : >> has taken the time to answer your question. Since the last issue of >> the >> : >> Student Slate was only sent out to individual NABS members and was >> not >> : >> posted on any email lists, you would think there would be some kind >> of >> : >> form >> : >> >> : >> on the website to either subscribe to the Student Slate or become a >> : >> member >> : >> so you could receive a copy of the Student Slate. >> : >> >> : >> Since you have not received an answer to your question on this email >> list, >> : >> I >> : >> >> : >> would encourage you to contact Sean Whalen off list by sending an >> email >> : >> to >> : >> nabs.president at gmail.com. Perhaps he might be more inclined to >> answer >> : >> your >> : >> question if you contact him directly. In addition, I believe you can >> also >> : >> contact the Slate Committee directly by sending an email to >> : >> slate at nabslink.com. >> : >> >> : >> I hope this email points you in the right direction in receiving an >> : >> answer >> : >> >> : >> to your question. >> : >> >> : >> Elizabeth >> : >> >> : >> -------------------------------------------------- >> : >> From: "Roanna Baccchus" >> : >> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:26 AM >> : >> To: >> : >> Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate >> : >> >> : >>> Dear Nabs Members, >> : >>> >> : >>> I have a question for you. Yesterday I went to the Student Slate >> web >> : >>> page. I clicked the link that says subscribe to the Student Slate. >> : >>> Nothing came up that let me put in an email address or password. >> Is >> : >>> there >> : >>> >> : >>> any way to subscribe to the Student Slate. Please respond as soon >> as >> : >>> possible. >> : >>> >> : >>> _______________________________________________ >> : >>> nabs-l mailing list >> : >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> : >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> : >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> : >>> nabs-l: >> : >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> : >>> >> : >> >> : >> _______________________________________________ >> : >> nabs-l mailing list >> : >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> : >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> : >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> : >> nabs-l: >> : >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> : >> >> : > >> : > >> : > -- >> : > Cindy Bennett >> : > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >> : > >> : > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> : > clb5590 at gmail.com >> : > >> : > _______________________________________________ >> : > nabs-l mailing list >> : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> : > nabs-l: >> : > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anthony%40olivero.us >> : > >> : >> : _______________________________________________ >> : nabs-l mailing list >> : nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Sep 7 22:26:40 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 16:26:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate In-Reply-To: References: <52272714.837fe00a.4492.161f@mx.google.com> <8AB2E0880E4241AFB04CDBEDED2EA2D8@JAWS> Message-ID: Hi Liz and all, I'd like to apologize, as I have been very busy lately and missed Roanna's other emails about the Slate, so I thought that you were only responding to her latest query. Knowing the full story now, I think your response was appropriate. My last message was meant to be a general one to everyone about communication with the NABS board. I wasn't scolding you personally which was why I didn't use your name and why I sent it to the entire list. Over several administrations various people have talked about a lack of board response. This does not appear to be a problem with a particular NABS administration, as the issue has been raised to at least four NABS administrations to my knowledge (including mine), but I think is simply a consequence of being part of a national organization run by volunteers. I think this is important feedback for the board to have and to continually pay attention to. On the other hand, though, I also think it's important for all NABS members to have some patience and to be persistent if their initial questions go unanswered. Best, Arielle On 9/7/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > Hello Arielle, > > I have reread your message after getting some much needed sleep, and I > cannot help but notice that you seemed to have seen my message as some sort > > of complaint. I cannot help but wonder, how is it that my message is seen as > > a complaint while your message is not despite the fact that they appear to > convey the same kind of message? > > I spent about a week away from this email list to attend to some personal > matters in my life. When I returned to the list, I saw Roanna sent out a > message about subscribing to the Student Slate on August 21, 2013. I was not > > completely sure what she was referring to in her message, so I thought I > would check out the website to find out what she was talking about before > responding to her message. However, by the time I was about to respond to > her message, I saw she posted a second message about a week after her > initial post. > > I thought it was rather sad that no one from the NABS board or Slate > committee responded to her post. It does not seem unreasonable to expect > someone from the NABS board to respond to an email within the week in which > > it was posted. This is why I offered an apology as a part of my response to > > her message. > > I then went on to provide what information I could in regards to this issue > > as a general member. If you feel as though this information is incorrect, > then perhaps you may wish to encourage the NABS board to communicate with > the general membership on public forums such as this one on a more regular > basis. > > In the past, the NABS board has done a good job posting issues of the > Student Slate to all of the student email lists. However, it would appear as > > though the last issue of the Student Slate was only posted through the > current membership database and not through the email lists. As a general > member, I did not know if this was a permanent feature of a new delivery > system, or simply an oversight due to convention activities. I am glad to > hear it was nothing more than an oversight, and most likely will not happen > > again. > > However, I am not sure how I am expected to know this information as a > general member when we do not hear from the BABS board on a regular basis. I > > also do not appreciate being scolded for doing my best to answer a question > > from another member on this email list despite the fact that I could not > provide an adequate answer as a general member. I simply did my best to > provide her with the information I knew as a general member, and then > pointed her in the direction of someone who could provide her with more > accurate information. I fail to see how this qualifies as some sort of > complaint. > > I agree that patience is definitely the key when corresponding with the NABS > > board. I believe Roanna displayed this kind of patience considering the fact > > that she first posted her question to this list about a month ago. Please > forgive me for not displaying this same kind of patience. I simply felt as > though she deserved an answer to her question. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:05 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate > >> Hi all, >> >> For whatever it's worth, when I was president I think I always sent >> the Slate out to this NABS-L list, and I'm pretty sure Sean does the >> same. So if you are on this list you should get every issue as soon as >> it is released. >> >> I would also suggest having a little patience with the NABS board >> members. Roanna sent her inquiry early this morning and a complaint >> about the lack of board response was sent merely an hour and a half >> later. Even the most attentive board members may not be able to >> respond within an hour and a half on a busy Wednesday morning at the >> start of the semester. I would suggest waiting at least 24 hours and >> if you still don't get a satisfactory response, you can think about >> re-posting your query or writing to the relevant committee chair >> off-list. I sincerely believe the board members are trying as hard as >> they can to be responsive. >> >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 9/4/13, I. C. Bray wrote: >>> Tony, >>> >>> I'm not doing RSS Feeds, but perhaps I should look into it. >>> Will you let us know when the email module is fixed? >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Tony Olivero" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate >>> >>> >>> : Roanna, >>> : >>> : I have added your e-mail to the NABS mailing list. >>> : >>> : For everyone's information,and to clarify, the subscribe link you >>> : clicked on brings you to what's called an RSS feed. You can add the >>> : slate pages to a feed reader like you would a blog or news site. >>> : Whenever a new issue is posted you would automatically see it in your >>> : reader. I realize the language is confusing, and this week I will do >>> : the following two things: >>> : >>> : 1. Change the language of that button to be a little more clear; and >>> : 2. Get the module fixed that allows you to add yourself to that >>> mailing >>> list. >>> : >>> : Sorry for any confusion. Thanks for asking the question so we can make >>> : it easy for everyone. >>> : >>> : Have a great day. >>> : >>> : Tony Olivero, Webmaster >>> : National Association of Blind Students >>> : >>> : >>> : On 9/4/13, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>> : > Hi all, >>> : > >>> : > I hope that you are all doing well. >>> : > >>> : > I want to clear up any questions that anyone has about the student >>> : > Slate and subscribing to it. >>> : > >>> : > First of all, I will look into the website and talk to our >>> webmaster. >>> : > >>> : > I did not take the time to look through the NABS archives, but I >>> would >>> : > find it very surprising if we did not post the Slate to it. >>> Currently, >>> : > we have a database of members whose information is gathered at our >>> : > in-person meetings (national convention and Washington Seminar) that >>> : > we send the Slate to directly. And then, we post it to NABS and on >>> the >>> : > website. >>> : > >>> : > Roanna, I apologize that this issue has not been resolved for you, >>> and >>> : > I am emailing our webmaster now asking him to make sure your email >>> : > address is on the recipient list. >>> : > >>> : > If anyone else is not receiving the Slate and would like their email >>> : > address added, please feel free to respond to me offlist. Keep in >>> mind >>> : > that the Slate comes once a quarter. The last edition released was >>> : > just before the national convention so that could have been cause >>> for >>> : > some people to miss it; I know that that time of year is usually >>> crazy >>> : > for me and I am not always on top of my emails. >>> : > >>> : > Again, on behalf of the board, I apologize for anyone's >>> inconveniences >>> : > in attempting to read the Slate or reach us. We appreciate the >>> : > interest and are always looking for ideas of new articles and for >>> more >>> : > readers. Similarly, we want to hear from you about all of your ideas >>> : > for NABS and questions and concerns about being a student, so please >>> : > feel free to contact us. We do strive to stay on top of our emails, >>> : > but I know that from personal experience, sometimes I am not as >>> : > responsive as I should be. I know this is not ideal, but I hope that >>> : > it does not detour you from reaching out to us again. >>> : > >>> : > Cindy >>> : > >>> : > On 9/4/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: >>> : >> Hello Roanna, >>> : >> >>> : >> I am sorry to hear no one from the NABS Board or the NABS Slate >>> Committee >>> : >> has taken the time to answer your question. Since the last issue of >>> the >>> : >> Student Slate was only sent out to individual NABS members and was >>> not >>> : >> posted on any email lists, you would think there would be some kind >>> >>> of >>> : >> form >>> : >> >>> : >> on the website to either subscribe to the Student Slate or become a >>> : >> member >>> : >> so you could receive a copy of the Student Slate. >>> : >> >>> : >> Since you have not received an answer to your question on this >>> email >>> list, >>> : >> I >>> : >> >>> : >> would encourage you to contact Sean Whalen off list by sending an >>> email >>> : >> to >>> : >> nabs.president at gmail.com. Perhaps he might be more inclined to >>> answer >>> : >> your >>> : >> question if you contact him directly. In addition, I believe you >>> can >>> also >>> : >> contact the Slate Committee directly by sending an email to >>> : >> slate at nabslink.com. >>> : >> >>> : >> I hope this email points you in the right direction in receiving >>> an >>> : >> answer >>> : >> >>> : >> to your question. >>> : >> >>> : >> Elizabeth >>> : >> >>> : >> -------------------------------------------------- >>> : >> From: "Roanna Baccchus" >>> : >> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 8:26 AM >>> : >> To: >>> : >> Subject: [nabs-l] Subscribing to The Student Slate >>> : >> >>> : >>> Dear Nabs Members, >>> : >>> >>> : >>> I have a question for you. Yesterday I went to the Student Slate >>> web >>> : >>> page. I clicked the link that says subscribe to the Student >>> Slate. >>> : >>> Nothing came up that let me put in an email address or password. >>> Is >>> : >>> there >>> : >>> >>> : >>> any way to subscribe to the Student Slate. Please respond as soon >>> >>> as >>> : >>> possible. >>> : >>> >>> : >>> _______________________________________________ >>> : >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> : >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> : >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> : >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> : >>> nabs-l: >>> : >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> : >>> >>> : >> >>> : >> _______________________________________________ >>> : >> nabs-l mailing list >>> : >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> : >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> : >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> : >> nabs-l: >>> : >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> : >> >>> : > >>> : > >>> : > -- >>> : > Cindy Bennett >>> : > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >>> : > >>> : > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> : > clb5590 at gmail.com >>> : > >>> : > _______________________________________________ >>> : > nabs-l mailing list >>> : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> : > nabs-l: >>> : > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anthony%40olivero.us >>> : > >>> : >>> : _______________________________________________ >>> : nabs-l mailing list >>> : nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From sjhhirst at gmail.com Sun Sep 8 21:35:52 2013 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 16:35:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] federal workforce recruitment program Message-ID: The WRP is a recruitment and referral program that connects federal and private sector employers nationwide with highly motivated college students and recent graduates with disabilities who are eager to prove their abilities in the workplace through summer or permanent jobs. The U.S. Department of Labor's Office of Disability Employment Policy (ODEP) and the U.S. Department of Defense's Office of Diversity Management & Equal Opportunity (ODMEO) manage the program, which continues to be successful with the participation of many other federal agencies and sub-agencies. Since the program's expansion in 1995, over 6,000 students and recent graduates have received temporary and permanent employment opportunities through the WRP. Students To be eligible for the WRP, candidates must be current, full-time undergraduate or graduate students with a disability, or have graduated within one year of the release of the database each December. For the 2014 WRP release, interviews will be held in the fall of 2013. A candidate who graduated in October, 2012 or later would still be eligible to participate. Candidates must be U.S. citizens. If you are an eligible candidate, share this information with your school's disability services or career services coordinator, and ask him or her to contact the WRP Coordinator at wrp at dol.gov. Please understand that we work directly with college coordinators, and cannot respond to inquiries from individuals. www.wrp.gov In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 00:33:10 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 17:33:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Daisy desktop applications for Macs Message-ID: Hi all, I am asking this question for a friend and will forward responses to her or address further communication with her if someone feels they could better explain offlist. My friend has a Mac and is looking for a desktop application to read DAISY texts. I ran across ReadHear, but it costs $120. Does anyone know of other options? Furthermore, if you work with ReadHear on your Mac, what are your thoughts? Was it worth the money? Thanks. -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 02:45:22 2013 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 22:45:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Daisy desktop applications for Macs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It depends on what kind of daisy she wants to read. If they are daisy audio from Learning Ally, they distribute their own version of read here which is free. If she is using text only daisy books from bookshare, the cleanest option is to open the xml file contained in the unzipped daisy folder and read it in Safari using Voiceover. If she is getting daisy audio from another source and already owns a victor reader stream or some other digital player, loading them onto a device may be easier and cheaper than paying for the full version of read here. There is a free program for mac that is supposed to play daisy books called olearia, but the last time I tried it, I couldn't get it to work. These are the solutions I know about and use. Hope this helps. Greg Aikens, M. Ed. Teacher of students who are blind and visually impaired Cobb County School District gpaikens at gmail.com On Sep 8, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > > I am asking this question for a friend and will forward responses to > her or address further communication with her if someone feels they > could better explain offlist. > > My friend has a Mac and is looking for a desktop application to read > DAISY texts. I ran across ReadHear, but it costs $120. Does anyone > know of other options? Furthermore, if you work with ReadHear on your > Mac, what are your thoughts? Was it worth the money? > > Thanks. > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 14:04:24 2013 From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 07:04:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeing eye GPS Message-ID: Hi all, Has anyone had any experience with the Seeing Eye GPS app? If so, how was it? Best, -- -Kartik Sawhney, E-mail ID: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (all personal E-mails); kartiks2 at stanford.edu (all academic E-mails) Skype: kartik.sawhney22 From iperrault at hotmail.com Mon Sep 9 14:21:52 2013 From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:21:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeing eye GPS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, It's awesome! It announces each intersection as you go along, it tells you upcoming turns, and it is probably the best fully accessible app out there! And, this is only the beginning many improvements to it are on the way! It's well worth it. Ian From fowlers at syix.com Mon Sep 9 19:44:52 2013 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela Fowler) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 12:44:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Announcing the National Federation of the Blind of California 2013 Scholarship Program! References: Message-ID: <01e001cead95$0d982450$28c86cf0$@syix.com> Are you a student? Do you have a general interest in academics and are you taking a full-time course load this fall? If the answer to these questions is yes, then we have money for you! Apply for the National Federation of the Blind of California’s 2013 scholarship program! We are offering three scholarships in the value of $500 each. However, in addition to the funds, we are bringing you on a full ride to our annual state convention. This convention is the largest gathering of blind people in California and is one of the best places to learn how to be independent, how to advocate for yourself, and how to succeed as a blind person. You will be paired with mentors who are avid NFBC members and can teach you what we do and how we do it! The convention will be on October 11, 12, and 13 at the Doubletree by Hilton in beautiful Sacramento, California. We will pay your hotel, transportation, registration, and banquet while giving you a scholarship if you are selected as one of our winners! To see all the details and apply, follow this link! http://sixdots.org/resources/2012-scholarship-application-available/ If you have questions, please contact Henry (Hoby) Wedler, scholarship committee chair at: hobywedler at gmail.com We hope to see you in Sacramento! From jim.hulme at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 20:30:40 2013 From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:30:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeing eye GPS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ian perrault and NABS List Users, which phone is the Seeing Eye GPS app used with? Is it with a Smartphone or IPhone or iPad or iPod? Please respond back. Jimmy Hulme Member of New Jersey Association of Blind Students 908-868-2836 (mobile) jim.hulme at gmail.com On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Ian Perrault wrote: > > Hi, > It's awesome! It announces each intersection as you go along, it tells you > upcoming turns, and it is probably the best fully accessible app out there! > And, this is only the beginning many improvements to it are on the way! > It's well worth it. > Ian > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jim.** > hulme%40gmail.com > From kwakmiso at aol.com Mon Sep 9 21:14:03 2013 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 17:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Etextbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D07BB8A4CA4A29-D24-2A337@webmail-d209.sysops.aol.com> College students, Could you provide me some feedback on your experience of using etextbooks? Which websites or programs are most accessible? I would like to hear feedback on websites that are available to both sighted and visually impaired students. I am asking because one of textbooks is not available on Bookshare, NLS and Learning Ally but available on websites like Chegg. Thank you in advance. Miso Kwak From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Sep 9 23:02:16 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 17:02:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeing eye GPS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As far as I know it's an IOS app, so it should work on any IOS device like iPhone, iPad or iPod. Arielle On 9/9/13, James Hulme wrote: > Hi Ian perrault and NABS List Users, > > which phone is the Seeing Eye GPS app used with? Is it with a Smartphone or > IPhone or iPad or iPod? > > > Please respond back. > > Jimmy Hulme > Member of New Jersey Association of Blind Students > 908-868-2836 (mobile) > jim.hulme at gmail.com > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Ian Perrault > wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> It's awesome! It announces each intersection as you go along, it tells >> you >> upcoming turns, and it is probably the best fully accessible app out >> there! >> And, this is only the beginning many improvements to it are on the way! >> It's well worth it. >> Ian >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jim.** >> hulme%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 02:40:10 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 22:40:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Etextbooks In-Reply-To: <8D07BB8A4CA4A29-D24-2A337@webmail-d209.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D07BB8A4CA4A29-D24-2A337@webmail-d209.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hey Miso, Have you heard of the access text network? It's a program where universities can sign up and request pdf's of textbooks from publishers. You can find out more information at accesstexts.org. I've been able to find all of my textbooks through ATN and the files are always readable. The only online textbook provider that I had personal experience with is CourseSmart. It's a website where you rent your books and then access them online. Apparently, there is an accessible feature that the provider can turn on for students that use screen readers, but I was never able to make it work for me. Honestly it was a waste of my time trying to figure it out; I used both internet explorer and firefox to trouble shoot it with no success. HTH, Minh On 9/9/13, Miso Kwak wrote: > College students, > Could you provide me some feedback on your experience of using > etextbooks? > Which websites or programs are most accessible? > I would like to hear feedback on websites that are available to both > sighted and visually impaired students. I am asking because one of > textbooks is not available on Bookshare, NLS and Learning Ally but > available on websites like Chegg. > Thank you in advance. > Miso Kwak > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From kwakmiso at aol.com Tue Sep 10 02:54:13 2013 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 22:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Etextbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D07BE82A7FD0CA-1894-2A10C@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com> Minh, Thank you for the response. I am aware of the Access Text website, but not the university access with the publishers. Do you know if it's necessary for students to purchase the hard copy before requesting the pdf file? Miso Kwak -----Original Message----- From: minh ha To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:40 pm Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks Hey Miso, Have you heard of the access text network? It's a program where universities can sign up and request pdf's of textbooks from publishers. You can find out more information at accesstexts.org. I've been able to find all of my textbooks through ATN and the files are always readable. The only online textbook provider that I had personal experience with is CourseSmart. It's a website where you rent your books and then access them online. Apparently, there is an accessible feature that the provider can turn on for students that use screen readers, but I was never able to make it work for me. Honestly it was a waste of my time trying to figure it out; I used both internet explorer and firefox to trouble shoot it with no success. HTH, Minh On 9/9/13, Miso Kwak wrote: > College students, > Could you provide me some feedback on your experience of using > etextbooks? > Which websites or programs are most accessible? > I would like to hear feedback on websites that are available to both > sighted and visually impaired students. I am asking because one of > textbooks is not available on Bookshare, NLS and Learning Ally but > available on websites like Chegg. > Thank you in advance. > Miso Kwak > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 03:42:12 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 23:42:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Etextbooks In-Reply-To: <8D07BE82A7FD0CA-1894-2A10C@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D07BE82A7FD0CA-1894-2A10C@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It honestly depends on the university's disability services. I think access texts would like the students to buy the hard copy first, but I haven't really had to do that for my DSO. I just tell them the title that I need and they'll request it for me. Minh On 9/9/13, Miso Kwak wrote: > Minh, > Thank you for the response. > I am aware of the Access Text website, but not the university access > with the publishers. > Do you know if it's necessary for students to purchase the hard copy > before requesting the pdf file? > Miso Kwak > > -----Original Message----- > From: minh ha > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:40 pm > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks > > Hey Miso, > > Have you heard of the access text network? It's a program where > universities can sign up and request pdf's of textbooks from > publishers. You can find out more information at accesstexts.org. I've > been able to find all of my textbooks through ATN and the files are > always readable. The only online textbook provider that I had personal > experience with is CourseSmart. It's a website where you rent your > books and then access them online. Apparently, there is an accessible > feature that the provider can turn on for students that use screen > readers, but I was never able to make it work for me. Honestly it was > a waste of my time trying to figure it out; I used both internet > explorer and firefox to trouble shoot it with no success. > > HTH, > Minh > > On 9/9/13, Miso Kwak wrote: >> College students, >> Could you provide me some feedback on your experience of using >> etextbooks? >> Which websites or programs are most accessible? >> I would like to hear feedback on websites that are available to both >> sighted and visually impaired students. I am asking because one of >> textbooks is not available on Bookshare, NLS and Learning Ally but >> available on websites like Chegg. >> Thank you in advance. >> Miso Kwak >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Sep 10 04:16:22 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 21:16:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Etextbooks In-Reply-To: <8D07BE82A7FD0CA-1894-2A10C@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D07BE82A7FD0CA-1894-2A10C@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: My university will scan any textbook. Have you checked if disabled students services will do that? Suzanne On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Miso Kwak wrote: > Minh, > Thank you for the response. > I am aware of the Access Text website, but not the university access with > the publishers. > Do you know if it's necessary for students to purchase the hard copy > before requesting the pdf file? > Miso Kwak > > -----Original Message----- > From: minh ha > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:40 pm > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks > > Hey Miso, > > Have you heard of the access text network? It's a program where > universities can sign up and request pdf's of textbooks from > publishers. You can find out more information at accesstexts.org. I've > been able to find all of my textbooks through ATN and the files are > always readable. The only online textbook provider that I had personal > experience with is CourseSmart. It's a website where you rent your > books and then access them online. Apparently, there is an accessible > feature that the provider can turn on for students that use screen > readers, but I was never able to make it work for me. Honestly it was > a waste of my time trying to figure it out; I used both internet > explorer and firefox to trouble shoot it with no success. > > HTH, > Minh > > On 9/9/13, Miso Kwak wrote: > >> College students, >> Could you provide me some feedback on your experience of using >> etextbooks? >> Which websites or programs are most accessible? >> I would like to hear feedback on websites that are available to both >> sighted and visually impaired students. I am asking because one of >> textbooks is not available on Bookshare, NLS and Learning Ally but >> available on websites like Chegg. >> Thank you in advance. >> Miso Kwak >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > minh.ha927%40gmail.com > >> >> > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**kwakmiso%40aol.com > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From kwakmiso at aol.com Tue Sep 10 05:11:09 2013 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 01:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Etextbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D07BFB4BC2B46A-1B88-2C69D@webmail-d228.sysops.aol.com> My school's osd (office for students with disabilities) will scan any book too as long as I make the purcahse for the textbook which I can't resell in the end because they take the spine off of the book to scan. I am trying to be economically efficient here... as well as efficient in general, meaning I want to get the material in the quickest way possible. P.S: I haven't started my classes yet because my school is on the quarter system. I have about 2 weeks until the first day of school. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks My university will scan any textbook. Have you checked if disabled students services will do that? Suzanne On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Miso Kwak wrote: > Minh, > Thank you for the response. > I am aware of the Access Text website, but not the university access with > the publishers. > Do you know if it's necessary for students to purchase the hard copy > before requesting the pdf file? > Miso Kwak > > -----Original Message----- > From: minh ha > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:40 pm > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks > > Hey Miso, > > Have you heard of the access text network? It's a program where > universities can sign up and request pdf's of textbooks from > publishers. You can find out more information at accesstexts.org. I've > been able to find all of my textbooks through ATN and the files are > always readable. The only online textbook provider that I had personal > experience with is CourseSmart. It's a website where you rent your > books and then access them online. Apparently, there is an accessible > feature that the provider can turn on for students that use screen > readers, but I was never able to make it work for me. Honestly it was > a waste of my time trying to figure it out; I used both internet > explorer and firefox to trouble shoot it with no success. > > HTH, > Minh > > On 9/9/13, Miso Kwak wrote: > >> College students, >> Could you provide me some feedback on your experience of using >> etextbooks? >> Which websites or programs are most accessible? >> I would like to hear feedback on websites that are available to both >> sighted and visually impaired students. I am asking because one of >> textbooks is not available on Bookshare, NLS and Learning Ally but >> available on websites like Chegg. >> Thank you in advance. >> Miso Kwak >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > minh.ha927%40gmail.com > >> >> > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**kwakmiso%40aol.com > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com From dandrews at visi.com Tue Sep 10 07:43:22 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 02:43:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NASA Spring and Summer 2014 Recruitment Letter for Student Interns with Disabilities and Frequently Asked Questions: Please Distribute Far and Wide! Message-ID: > > >If anyone knows people who would benefit from >this opportunity please distribute. > >Thanks, > >Craig > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Silberman, Kenneth A. (GSFC-1600) >Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 1:26 PM >To: Silberman, Kenneth A. (GSFC-1600) >Subject: NASA Spring and Summer 2014 Recruitment >Letter for Student Interns with Disabilities and >Frequently Asked Questions: Please Distribute Far and Wide! > >To Prospective NASA Student Interns with Disabilities, > >NASA is looking to increase the number of >students with disabilities pursuing science, >technology, engineering, and math (STEM) careers >through our internship programs. NASA has a >two-percent hiring goal for employment of people >with disabilities and internships are a good way >to get experience. Students can apply for summer >2014 internships, starting on Friday, November >1, 2013. The deadline for submitting >applications is Friday, March 14, 2014, and we >will begin extending offers to students as early >as Monday, February 3, 2014. We encourage you to >apply early because the best opportunities are >likely to be filled early. Plus, your likelihood >of being selected decreases the longer you wait. >You can register for an account and look for >internships anytime at the One Stop Shopping >Initiative (OSSI): NASA Internships, >Fellowships, and Scholarships (NIFS) at >http://intern.nasa.gov/. Summer 2014 internships >run from early June until early August for >college students and from late June until early >August for high school students. All student >interns get paid. For example, last Summer, at >Goddard college students received a stipend of >$6000 and high school students $1800. As an >intern, you are responsible for your own housing. > >NASA internships for college and high school >students are also offered during Spring, Fall >and Year Long Sessions. Students can apply for >Spring 2014 internship opportunities now! The >website and the application process are the same >for all NASA internships, regardless of the time >of year. The deadline for submitting >applications is Friday, October 11, 2013, and we >will begin extending offers to students as early >as Wednesday, September 11, 2013. Students who >are selected for spring internships will receive >an offer letter by E-mail sometime after October >11, 2013. Students will not be able to see >Summer 2014 opportunities until November 1. > >NASA has internships for high school students >and for rising freshmen through doctoral >students in STEM fields. A rising freshman is a >high school student who has been accepted to an >accredited institution of higher learning, i.e., >a college or university, at the time of the >internship. Applicants must be U.S. citizens, >with a minimum GPA of 2.8 for college and 3.0 >for high school; however, applicants must >understand that the competition for internships >is keen. High school students must be at least >sixteen years old at the time the internship begins. > >Internships are available at all NASA centers >nationwide. Students can submit a completed >application whether they apply to an opportunity >or not. However, applying to opportunities has >the advantage of allowing applicants to be >considered by mentors who work in disciplines of >interest and at a particular center. Applicants >may apply to as many as fifteen opportunities. >For example, an opportunity having to do with >the Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) will be at >the Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland >because SDO is located there. Not applying to an >opportunity means that prospective interns will >be hoping that a mentor happens to read their >applications rather than directing their >applications to mentors in fields and at centers of interest. > >Students who are selected for summer internships >will receive an offer letter by E-mail sometime >after February 3, 2014. They will then have five >days to either accept or reject the offer >through their OSSI: NIFS account. The offer will >automatically expire after five days if no action is taken. > >Below is a list of frequently asked questions >about applying for NASA internships: > >Frequently Asked Questions About OSSI:NIFS for Student Applicants > >*What does NASA do? In aeronautics, NASA enables >a safer, more secure, efficient, and >environmentally friendly air transportation >system. In human exploration, NASA operates the >International Space Station (ISS) and prepares >for human exploration beyond low Earth orbit. In >science, NASA explores the Earth-Sun system, our >own solar system, and the universe beyond. In >engineering, NASA designs the aircraft, >spacecraft, and scientific instruments that make all of this possible. > >*In what fields are NASA's internship >opportunities? NASA has internships in >aerospace, chemical, environmental, materials, >mechanical, civil, electrical, thermal, systems, >optical, robotic and computer hardware and >software engineering. Engineers also work in the >fields of composites, cryogenics, >microelectronics, signal processing, high >performance computing , and nanotechnology . Our >computer engineers develop artificial >intelligence systems, and conduct research into >data information and visualization systems >technology . NASA computer scientists develop >models that help us learn about gravitational >astrophysics, study the Earth's oceans, study >the Earth's atmosphere, and study the biospheres >of other planets. Earth and planetary scientists >study the physics and chemistry of the Earth's >oceans, the Earth's atmosphere, and the >biospheres of other planets and exoplanets, >using these models. Astrophysicists use >satellites, aircraft, balloons and sounding >rockets to conduct research into high energy >astrophysics, astroparticle physics, stellar >physics, heliophysics, and cosmology. Some of >the other areas of study at NASA are radiation, >space weather, geodynamics, planetary >magnetospheres, geospace physics, and >climatology. Remote sensing is crucial to all of >this research. Our engineers and scientists work >with radio, thermal, infrared, optical, >ultraviolet, X-ray, gamma ray, laser, particle, >acoustic and many other types of sensors and detectors. > >*Where are NASA internship opportunities >located? Internship opportunities are located at >NASA centers and field installations all over >the country: Ames Research Center, Moffett >Federal Airfield, Mountain View, California; >Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards Air Force >Base, Los Angeles County, California; Glenn >Research Center, Cleveland, Ohio; Goddard >Institute for Space Studies, New York City, New >York; Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, >Maryland; Independent Verification and >Validation Facility, Fairmont, West Virginia; >Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California; >Johnson Space Center, Houston, Texas; Kennedy >Space Center, Merritt Island, Florida; Langley >Research Center, Hampton, Virginia; Marshall >Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Alabama; >Michoud Assembly Facility, New Orleans, >Louisiana; NASA Headquarters, Washington, DC; >NASA Shared Services Center at Stennis Space >Center, Mississippi; Stennis Space Center, near >Bay St. Louis, Mississippi; Wallops Flight >Facility, Wallops Island, Virginia; White Sands >Complex, Las Cruces, New Mexico; and White Sands >Test Facility, Las Cruces, New Mexico. > >*The OSSI Frequently Asked Questions link is >https://intern.nasa.gov/ossi/web/faq/index.cfm?subAction=VIEW > >*What does OSSI:NIFS stand for? OSSI:NIFS is the >One Stop Shopping Initiative for NASA >Internships, Fellowships, and Scholarships. > >*Is there an OSSI:NIFS help desk? The help desk >E-mail is . >The help desk phone is 1-866-419-6297. The help >desk hours of operation are 24/7. > >*How do I apply? Here is how to apply. The >application is online. You need to go to >. Then click on >internships. Next click on the >register-as-a-student Button. You then need to >continue by registering, completing your >interest profile, and application. Then, you >must search for specific internship >opportunities at specific NASA centers and field >installations and apply for them. Letters of >recommendation are uploaded by the recommender. >Your application will not be completed until at >least one letter of recommendation is uploaded. >This means that you will not be able to apply >to, although you will be able to view, specific >opportunities until you have at least one letter >of recommendation uploaded to the OSSI:NIFS >system. The "getting Started" link, visible >after you login, should help you as you go >through the aforementioned process. Nothing is accepted by snail mail. > >*Are NASA internships for college and high >school students also offered during Spring, Fall and Year Long Sessions? Yes > >*Are the website and the application process the >same for all NASA internships, regardless of the time of year? Yes > >*I am not currently a student because I either >graduated or am taking some time out from >school; am I eligible to apply? You must be >accepted to an accredited institution of higher >learning, i.e., a college or university, at the >time of the internship. So, if you don't plan to >continue with your formal education next Summer >or Fall, I'm sorry to tell you that you would >not be eligible to apply for a NASA internship. > >*Can good letters of recommendation really help >me land a NASA internship? You will have a >better chance of being selected for an >internship if you have your recommenders tailor >their letters for the specific opportunities >that you will be applying to. This is because >your recommenders will be explaining to the >mentors why your skills will be a good match. > >*How long does a recommender have to submit >her/his letter of recommendation? Recommenders >receive an E-mail from the OSSI:NIFS system >after an applicant enters a recommenders name >and other information. This E-mail gives >instructions and a link for uploading the letter >to an applicant's account. The link is specific >with a user name and password. Warning! The link >is disabled 20 calendar days after it is sent to >the recommender. The applicant must enter the >recommender's information again after the 20 calendar days has expired. > >*How do I upload a transcript? What if I want to >update the transcript? After logging into your >account, click on "My Applications." Then, click >on "Education." Go to your college, and click on >the "Upload" button, and upload a transcript. >Then, save the record. If you want to update the >transcript, repeat the aforementioned process, >and the old transcript will be overwritten by >the new transcript. This change will affect all >of the internship opportunities that you applied or will apply to. > >*How do I disclose my disability status if I am >a student with a disability? There is a place in >the online application process to voluntarily >disclose disability status. It is located under >"My Applications." Then, click on "General >Information." This information is used in order >to determine the degree to which members of each >disability, ethnic, and racial group are reached >by this internship/fellowship program. >Additionally, NASA uses information about >disability status to provide reasonable >accommodation if requested. NASA requests that >the student select the appropriate responses. >While providing this information is optional, >you must select decline to answer if you do not >want to provide it. Mentors will not be able to >view this information when considering students >for opportunities. For more information, please visit the following website: > >http://www.nasa.gov/about/highlights/HP_Privacy.html > >*Why can't I find any internship opportunities >specifically for students with disabilities? >There are no NASA internships specifically for >students with disabilities. Students with >disabilities compete with other students for our >internships. We are making a concerted effort to >recruit students with disabilities into our mainstream internship programs. > >*Why do I see so few internship opportunities >when I search for them? The OSSI:NIFS system >only displays internship opportunities that >request students at the grade level that you >entered, i.e. the grade level that you will be >at the time the internship begins. The way to >work around this is to search for opportunities >before you log in at >. >A pre-login search will eliminate the >grade-level limitation on your search. When you >find an opportunity that you wish to apply to, >open it and apply. You will be prompted to log >in at this point. Do so, and you will be able to >apply or add it to your saved opportunities of interest. > >*What is the deadline for applying? The deadline >for submitting applications is Friday, March 15, >2013, and we will begin extending offers to >students as early as February 2, 2013. > >*What is the minimum GPA in order to qualify for >a NASA internship? A minimum GPA of 2.8 is >required for college students and 3.0 for high >school students. However, applicants must >understand that the competition for internships is keen. > >*What is the minimum age for an intern? High >school students must be at least sixteen years >old at the time the internship begins. There is >no upper age limit for college students. > >*When and for how long do Summer 2013 >internships run? Summer 2013 internships run >from June 3 until August 9 for college students >and from June 24 until August 2 for high school students. > >*Do I get paid? Yes, all student interns get >paid. For example, at Goddard college students >receive a stipend of $6000 and high school students $1800. > >*What do I do for housing? You will not be >assigned housing. You must find it on your own. >We do have lists of places that other students >have stayed. However, we do not recommend >specific housing. You will be expected to find >and pay for your own housing out of your stipend. > >*Do I need to be a United States citizen to >apply? Yes. Having a green card does not qualify >someone as a U.S. citizen for purposes of this >program. Please go to the following link to >learn about internship opportunities for foreign citizens: > >https://intern.nasa.gov/content/internship-information/one-stop-shopping-initiative-ossi-student-online-a/non-us-opportunities/index.html > >*I'm having browser problems; what should I do? >We can offer some suggestions on what to do >without knowing what browser of OS the student >is using. First, if they are using IE 9, please >click on the Compatibility View, located on the >Address bar. If they are using IE 8, please >click on the Compatibility View, located under >tools on the menu bar. This should correct the >display. If they are using Firefox 5, try typing >in the entire institution name and then tab down >to get the address to fill completely. If >neither of these work, please use the OSSI >Information Center (OIC) to submit the technical inquiry at the following link: > >https://intern.nasa.gov/content/help/ossi-information-center-oic/index.html > >*I'm having trouble selecting a college; what >should I do? When selecting a college, don't put >anything in the edit field for the school, and >just click search. You will then see a section >at the bottom of the page that allows you to >select a school, city, and state. Put in the >city and state. Again, leave the school field >blank. The website will give you a list of >schools in that city and state as links. Just >click on the school that you want, and it should >be entered as your school in the original edit field. > >*I'm a high school student, and I don't have a >college to enter yet: what should I do? Just >write in a college that you think that you would >like to attend. You will be asked for your high >school later on in the application process. > >*Should I apply to all opportunities which look >interesting to me at the same time, or >sequentially by my priority interest? The choice >is yours. You can apply to a maximum of 15. > >*If I apply to multiple internship opportunities >at the same time, would I only receive an offer >from one? You may get an offer from more than >one opportunity. However, once you accept an >offer. You cannot accept anymore offers. You are committed. > >*Do all internship opportunities reply at the >same time if I apply for them concurrently? No. > >*Does NASA only have Summer internships? NASA >internships for college students are also >offered during Spring, Fall, and Year-Long >Sessions. the OSSI system > is the site to look for >and apply to all NASA internships. The process >is the same for all our internships. > >*Are NASA internships only for students with >disabilities? No. Students with disabilities >compete with other students for internships. >Disclosure of one's disability, during the >application process, is only seen by the Office >of Education. The mentors, who select their >students, do not have access to this >information. We use information about a >student's disability to provide reasonable >accommodation in a timely manner if reasonable accommodation is requested. > >*For whom does NASA have internships? NASA has >internships for high school students and for >rising freshmen through doctoral students in >STEM fields. A rising freshman is a high school >student who has been accepted to an accredited >institution of higher learning, i.e., a college >or university, at the time of the internship. > >*Where are NASA internships located? Internships >are available at all NASA centers and field >installations nationwide. Students can submit a >completed application whether they apply to an >opportunity or not. However, applying to >opportunities has the advantage of allowing >applicants to be considered by mentors who work >in disciplines of interest and at a particular >center. Applicants may apply to as many as >fifteen posted opportunities. For example, an >opportunity having to do with the Solar Dynamics >Observatory (SDO) will be at the Goddard Space >Flight Center in Maryland because SDO is located >there. Not applying to an opportunity means that >prospective interns will be hoping that a mentor >happens to read their applications rather than >directing their applications to mentors in fields and at centers of interest. > >*I applied to various opportunities. Will there >be an interview before an offer is made? No. >There will not be an interview before an offer >is made. However, a mentor may contact you if >she or he wishes for more information or to discuss your application. > >*What happens if I am selected for an >internship? Students who are selected for summer >internships will receive an offer letter by >E-mail sometime after February 1, 2013. They >will then have five days to either accept or >reject the offer through their OSSI: NIFS >account. The offer will automatically expire >after five days if no action is taken. Offers >will be made from February 2, 2013, until all >internship positions will have been filled. This >continuous process may take until early May. So, >you may receive an offer at any time during this period. > >*What happens if I am not selected for an >internship? You will receive an E-mail after all >interns are selected for the session to which >you applied, i.e., Summer, Fall, Spring, year >long. 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Name: nasa_summer_2014_recruitment_letter_for_student_interns_with_disabilities2.docx Type: application/mac-binhex40 Size: 120929 bytes Desc: not available URL: From djd76257 at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 09:20:47 2013 From: djd76257 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 05:20:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] You've Been Invited To The Audio Access FM Online Birthday Where You Could Win A Laptop Computer Message-ID: Hi Everyone! I am writing this because I'm doing a special event with my onlinne radio station, and I'd love to have your participation. If you don't wish to participate, then simply delete the email and move on. If you know of someone that you think would benefit from this, please pass it along and feel free to email thedjdinvasion at audioaccess.fm with any questions. My name is David Dunphy, owner of an online radio station called Audio Access FM. We're about to start celebrating our two year birthday, and I'm one who doesn't like to party alone, so you can consider this your personal invitation to join the party. Spend the next week meeting our djs and guests who have impacted the station over the past year. Hear great music, have a few laughs, and, win yourself a cool new laptop! That's right. One lucky party participant will walk out of this deal on our finale show on September 17 with a brand new laptop computer! We're building a new web site for you to enjoy, giving you more ways than ever before to listen, and so much more! But if I told all, I'd be spoiling the fun, so why not just come to our kick off party, learn what we're about, and see if we're worth your time. The kick off of our birthday week, called "We've Got Magic To Do In Birthday Number Two" begins with the Kick Off Party, tonight, September 10, 2013 starting at 8 PM eastern, where you'll hear some upbeat music from the various genres out there, learn about your laptop giveaway, and yes, even get two chances to be in the drawing for it! During the party, we can be contacted via skype at audioaccess.fm Via twitter at audioaccessfm Via email at thedjdinvasion at audioaccess.fm or via telephone when we're on air at 516 324 2552 We have some other surprises for listening too, but those will be offered throughout the party to you. There's so much more I want to say about the party, but this party is as much for listeners new and old as it is for us as staff, so, come one, come all, and join us tonight starting at 8 PM eastern by visiting http://www.audioaccess.fm/drupal/listen starting at 8 PM eastern to hear everything. You won't want to miss these next few days of fun, friendship, and good times, so save this message, use the above link to tune in from 8 PM eastern onward, and help me to celebrate what will be the biggest and best party any online radio operation has thrown in quite some time. I hope to see you all there! >From David Dunphy, Station Manager, Audio Access FM http://www.audioaccess.fm From agrima at nbp.org Tue Sep 10 12:43:54 2013 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:43:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] "A powerful nature story for a young audience..." Message-ID: <001201ceae23$690819b0$3b184d10$@org> One Tiny Turtle September 2013 Book Club Selection In contracted braille with audio CD Ages 5 to 10 A powerful nature story for a young audience. - BOOKLIST Far, far out at sea lives one of the world's most mysterious creatures, the loggerhead turtle. For thirty years she swims the oceans, wandering thousands of miles as she searches for food. Then, one summer night, she lands on a beach to lay her eggs - the very same beach where she herself was born. Nicola Davies's lyrical text offers fascinating information about the journey of the tiny, endangered loggerhead, while charming paintings by Jane Chapman vividly illustrate one turtle's odyssey. This "Read, Listen, & Wonder" book includes a read-along audio CD, including sound effects and a segment with additional facts. "If only all natural history books were as well-pitched as this." - The Independent An International Reading Association Teacher's Choice Award Winner A Bank Street College Best Children's Book of the Year Aligns with Common Core Standards Reading Literature, Reading Informational Text Strands K-3 http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/BC1309-TURTLE.html From dburke at cocenter.org Tue Sep 10 14:26:40 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:26:40 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Etextbooks In-Reply-To: <8D07BFB4BC2B46A-1B88-2C69D@webmail-d228.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D07BFB4BC2B46A-1B88-2C69D@webmail-d228.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9db31967fb6b45a4b0c733c6eeab3dfc@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> The Access Text Network is free to colleges, but they have to sign up. When they sign up and request a book for a student, they are required to affirm that the student has shown proof of purchase. Even so, a school won't always make you show that proof. As to the cost of the book and lack of resale value, VR can and should pay for textbooks as part of an IPE. BTW, resale to the college bookstore is not often very rewarding. Best, Dan Dan Burke Academic and Youth Services Colorado Center for the Blind Take charge with confidence and self-reliance www.cocenter.org facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind @CoCenter4Blind www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. Littleton, CO  80120 303-778-1130 ext. 210 2303-778-1130 fax -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:11 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks My school's osd (office for students with disabilities) will scan any book too as long as I make the purcahse for the textbook which I can't resell in the end because they take the spine off of the book to scan. I am trying to be economically efficient here... as well as efficient in general, meaning I want to get the material in the quickest way possible. P.S: I haven't started my classes yet because my school is on the quarter system. I have about 2 weeks until the first day of school. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks My university will scan any textbook. Have you checked if disabled students services will do that? Suzanne On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Miso Kwak wrote: > Minh, > Thank you for the response. > I am aware of the Access Text website, but not the university access with > the publishers. > Do you know if it's necessary for students to purchase the hard copy > before requesting the pdf file? > Miso Kwak > > -----Original Message----- > From: minh ha > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:40 pm > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks > > Hey Miso, > > Have you heard of the access text network? It's a program where > universities can sign up and request pdf's of textbooks from > publishers. You can find out more information at accesstexts.org. I've > been able to find all of my textbooks through ATN and the files are > always readable. The only online textbook provider that I had personal > experience with is CourseSmart. It's a website where you rent your > books and then access them online. Apparently, there is an accessible > feature that the provider can turn on for students that use screen > readers, but I was never able to make it work for me. Honestly it was > a waste of my time trying to figure it out; I used both internet > explorer and firefox to trouble shoot it with no success. > > HTH, > Minh > > On 9/9/13, Miso Kwak wrote: > >> College students, >> Could you provide me some feedback on your experience of using >> etextbooks? >> Which websites or programs are most accessible? >> I would like to hear feedback on websites that are available to both >> sighted and visually impaired students. I am asking because one of >> textbooks is not available on Bookshare, NLS and Learning Ally but >> available on websites like Chegg. >> Thank you in advance. >> Miso Kwak >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > minh.ha927%40gmail.com > >> >> > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**kwakmiso%40aol.com > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org From pgradioman at hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 15:37:44 2013 From: pgradioman at hotmail.com (Preston Gaylor) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 11:37:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws and PDF Forms Message-ID: Dear NABS: I hope all of you are well! I just have a quick question for you all. Yesterday, I was filling out a form from Pendot (our state's Department of Transportation) to get my photo ID, and I did have some trouble filling it out! Jaws was reading the form fine, but to me I thought that the form was inaccesable to fill out with Jaws. I tried other screen readers like System Access and Narrator, but they didn't work! Luckily, my Mom was there and she helped me fill the form out completely. Have any of you encountered PDF forms recently? What did you use to help the form accessible for you to fill out? Did you copy and paste it into a Word document and save onto a thumb drive to fill out at a later time? What other ideas and suggestions do you guys have about PDF forms and Jaws and what should I do next time I come accross another Adobe form in the near future? Thanks, and take care! Sincerely: Preston Sent from my iPod From kaybaycar at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 17:56:49 2013 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:56:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized Message-ID: Hello fellow students, Although we all love Braille very much, we must admit that it is very bulky and poses a problem for those of us who are naturally a little disorganized. I have found myself embossing quite a lot of Braille this semester for my music classes(this is why I can't use a Braille display), and I am looking for somewhere I can get folders, binders, or anything that will fit the larger sized Braille paper, which is what I have to work with at the moment. I looked at APH and the independence Market and didn't see anything. I would also welcome any tips on keeping my Braille contained and organized. Hope everyone is having a wonderful semester! -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Tue Sep 10 17:59:59 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:59:59 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know about folders and things like that, but if you could take all of that stuff that you're Brailling, and find some binding, I'd make my own little book for Braille music. Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Julie McGinnity [kaybaycar at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 12:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized Hello fellow students, Although we all love Braille very much, we must admit that it is very bulky and poses a problem for those of us who are naturally a little disorganized. I have found myself embossing quite a lot of Braille this semester for my music classes(this is why I can't use a Braille display), and I am looking for somewhere I can get folders, binders, or anything that will fit the larger sized Braille paper, which is what I have to work with at the moment. I looked at APH and the independence Market and didn't see anything. I would also welcome any tips on keeping my Braille contained and organized. Hope everyone is having a wonderful semester! -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 18:14:10 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 11:14:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws and PDF Forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Was the PDF an interactive one? Some PDF's have edit boxes imbedded into them that you can enter text into. Sometimes they are accessible, and sometimes, JAWS lags a lot or doesn't read all of the information. For example, on one form that I was trying to fill out, JAWS said the information corresponding to the previous check box as I navigated the check boxes. If they aren't interactive, then I think it depends. You can save them as .txt files and insert information into them and format them back to PDF's. But some people are kind of hyper about their forms maintaining their original formatting. I think that for a standard form that you would fill out to get a photo ID, I would just get a reader to help me, because they probably receive hundreds of these forms and it might throw off the data entry person or the scannner used to enter the data if the form is formatted differently. However, I had to fill out a form for someone a while ago and the situation was somewhat less formal. I told them my options and they said it was totally fine if I converted the file to a .txt and that they didn't care about formatting. So, it just depends. Honestly though, if you're spending a lot of time on a form that would take a sighted person 2 seconds to fill out, just consider getting a reader or buying someone coffee for the favor. Sometimes, these things aren't worth the extra effort although I can see the value of exploring solutions to make your life easier when you have to fill out forms in the future. Cindy On 9/10/13, Preston Gaylor wrote: > Dear NABS: > I hope all of you are well! > I just have a quick question for you all. > Yesterday, I was filling out a form from Pendot (our state's Department of > Transportation) to get my photo ID, and I did have some trouble filling it > out! > Jaws was reading the form fine, but to me I thought that the form was > inaccesable to fill out with Jaws. > I tried other screen readers like System Access and Narrator, but they > didn't work! > Luckily, my Mom was there and she helped me fill the form out completely. > > > > Have any of you encountered PDF forms recently? > > > > > > What did you use to help the form accessible for you to fill out? > Did you copy and paste it into a Word document and save onto a thumb drive > to fill out at a later time? > What other ideas and suggestions do you guys have about PDF forms and Jaws > and what should I do next time I come accross another Adobe form in the near > future? > Thanks, and take care! > Sincerely: > Preston > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 17:56:50 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 13:56:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws and PDF Forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5126354741010436505@unknownmsgid> Hey Preston, Ah, the ever-annoying PDF files. :) If I am unable to interact with a PDF using Adobe, I often will save it to My Documents or another folder of my choice and then send it as an email attachment to convert at robobraille.org. In the subject line, specify the file type to which the PDF file should be converted: DOC, TXT, RTF, BRF, etc. Within a few minutes, RoboBraille will send you an email with the converted file attached. You can then access the text of the file in a more accessible format of your choosing. Hope this helps, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Preston Gaylor wrote: > Dear NABS: > I hope all of you are well! > I just have a quick question for you all. > Yesterday, I was filling out a form from Pendot (our state's Department of Transportation) to get my photo ID, and I did have some trouble filling it out! > Jaws was reading the form fine, but to me I thought that the form was inaccesable to fill out with Jaws. > I tried other screen readers like System Access and Narrator, but they didn't work! > Luckily, my Mom was there and she helped me fill the form out completely. > > > > Have any of you encountered PDF forms recently? > > > > > > What did you use to help the form accessible for you to fill out? > Did you copy and paste it into a Word document and save onto a thumb drive to fill out at a later time? > What other ideas and suggestions do you guys have about PDF forms and Jaws and what should I do next time I come accross another Adobe form in the near future? > Thanks, and take care! > Sincerely: > Preston > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From pgradioman at hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 18:28:34 2013 From: pgradioman at hotmail.com (Preston Gaylor) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:28:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws and PDF Forms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank You, Cindy! The form I guess you can say was interactive, with check boxes and edit boxes. Jaws did lag with it though because there wasn't an edit box after the required field. On this form that I filled out, they would allways come up later in the document. Luckily, the check boxes came up as normal. Thank you for this advice, I'll be sure to keep this in mind in the near future! Preston Sent from my iPod On Sep 10, 2013, at 2:16 PM, "Cindy Bennett" wrote: > Was the PDF an interactive one? Some PDF's have edit boxes imbedded > into them that you can enter text into. Sometimes they are accessible, > and sometimes, JAWS lags a lot or doesn't read all of the information. > For example, on one form that I was trying to fill out, JAWS said the > information corresponding to the previous check box as I navigated the > check boxes. > > If they aren't interactive, then I think it depends. You can save them > as .txt files and insert information into them and format them back to > PDF's. But some people are kind of hyper about their forms maintaining > their original formatting. I think that for a standard form that you > would fill out to get a photo ID, I would just get a reader to help > me, because they probably receive hundreds of these forms and it might > throw off the data entry person or the scannner used to enter the data > if the form is formatted differently. However, I had to fill out a > form for someone a while ago and the situation was somewhat less > formal. I told them my options and they said it was totally fine if I > converted the file to a .txt and that they didn't care about > formatting. So, it just depends. Honestly though, if you're spending a > lot of time on a form that would take a sighted person 2 seconds to > fill out, just consider getting a reader or buying someone coffee for > the favor. Sometimes, these things aren't worth the extra effort > although I can see the value of exploring solutions to make your life > easier when you have to fill out forms in the future. > > Cindy > > On 9/10/13, Preston Gaylor wrote: >> Dear NABS: >> I hope all of you are well! >> I just have a quick question for you all. >> Yesterday, I was filling out a form from Pendot (our state's Department of >> Transportation) to get my photo ID, and I did have some trouble filling it >> out! >> Jaws was reading the form fine, but to me I thought that the form was >> inaccesable to fill out with Jaws. >> I tried other screen readers like System Access and Narrator, but they >> didn't work! >> Luckily, my Mom was there and she helped me fill the form out completely. >> >> >> >> Have any of you encountered PDF forms recently? >> >> >> >> >> >> What did you use to help the form accessible for you to fill out? >> Did you copy and paste it into a Word document and save onto a thumb drive >> to fill out at a later time? >> What other ideas and suggestions do you guys have about PDF forms and Jaws >> and what should I do next time I come accross another Adobe form in the near >> future? >> Thanks, and take care! >> Sincerely: >> Preston >> >> Sent from my iPod >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pgradioman%40hotmail.com From pgradioman at hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 18:33:50 2013 From: pgradioman at hotmail.com (Preston Gaylor) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:33:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws and PDF Forms In-Reply-To: <5126354741010436505@unknownmsgid> References: <5126354741010436505@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hey Chris: This is pretty cool! I think I've heard of Robobraille at convetions, but I didn't know that it could convert any file to another file for easier access! That is so cool! I will look in to it next time I do another form in PDF, witch will be most likely soon during my adult hood! LOL. Thanks, and take care! Sincerely, Preston Sent from my iPod On Sep 10, 2013, at 2:27 PM, "christopher nusbaum" wrote: > Hey Preston, > > Ah, the ever-annoying PDF files. :) If I am unable to interact with a > PDF using Adobe, I often will save it to My Documents or another > folder of my choice and then send it as an email attachment to > convert at robobraille.org. In the subject line, specify the file type to > which the PDF file should be converted: DOC, TXT, RTF, BRF, etc. > Within a few minutes, RoboBraille will send you an email with the > converted file attached. You can then access the text of the file in a > more accessible format of your choosing. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Preston Gaylor wrote: > >> Dear NABS: >> I hope all of you are well! >> I just have a quick question for you all. >> Yesterday, I was filling out a form from Pendot (our state's Department of Transportation) to get my photo ID, and I did have some trouble filling it out! >> Jaws was reading the form fine, but to me I thought that the form was inaccesable to fill out with Jaws. >> I tried other screen readers like System Access and Narrator, but they didn't work! >> Luckily, my Mom was there and she helped me fill the form out completely. >> >> >> >> Have any of you encountered PDF forms recently? >> >> >> >> >> >> What did you use to help the form accessible for you to fill out? >> Did you copy and paste it into a Word document and save onto a thumb drive to fill out at a later time? >> What other ideas and suggestions do you guys have about PDF forms and Jaws and what should I do next time I come accross another Adobe form in the near future? >> Thanks, and take care! >> Sincerely: >> Preston >> >> Sent from my iPod >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pgradioman%40hotmail.com From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 18:44:09 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:44:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Julie, this is Helga. How are you? Have you tried purchasing folders, where you can fit Braille paper size from the Braille Store? I actually bought my talking watch on their cite. I really don't remember the name of the cite very well, but if you want me I could look for it, and let you know! Just to let you know, I also like to read Braille as well! By the way, do you have your own Braille printer in order to print in Braille your music assignments? Just curious since I would like to get one. Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Julie McGinnity Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized Hello fellow students, Although we all love Braille very much, we must admit that it is very bulky and poses a problem for those of us who are naturally a little disorganized. I have found myself embossing quite a lot of Braille this semester for my music classes(this is why I can't use a Braille display), and I am looking for somewhere I can get folders, binders, or anything that will fit the larger sized Braille paper, which is what I have to work with at the moment. I looked at APH and the independence Market and didn't see anything. I would also welcome any tips on keeping my Braille contained and organized. Hope everyone is having a wonderful semester! -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Tue Sep 10 18:56:07 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:56:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws and PDF Forms In-Reply-To: <5126354741010436505@unknownmsgid> References: <5126354741010436505@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Chris, this is Helga. How are you? I just wanted to ask you, can I send RoboBraille a microsoft word document and it will converted in Braille format? But in order to print it I need a Braille printer right? Also, I'm sorry for asking you this silley question, what's RoboBraille? I actually never heard of it before. Thanks and God bless! -----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Jaws and PDF Forms Hey Preston, Ah, the ever-annoying PDF files. :) If I am unable to interact with a PDF using Adobe, I often will save it to My Documents or another folder of my choice and then send it as an email attachment to convert at robobraille.org. In the subject line, specify the file type to which the PDF file should be converted: DOC, TXT, RTF, BRF, etc. Within a few minutes, RoboBraille will send you an email with the converted file attached. You can then access the text of the file in a more accessible format of your choosing. Hope this helps, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Preston Gaylor wrote: > Dear NABS: > I hope all of you are well! > I just have a quick question for you all. > Yesterday, I was filling out a form from Pendot (our state's Department of > Transportation) to get my photo ID, and I did have some trouble filling it > out! > Jaws was reading the form fine, but to me I thought that the form was > inaccesable to fill out with Jaws. > I tried other screen readers like System Access and Narrator, but they > didn't work! > Luckily, my Mom was there and she helped me fill the form out completely. > > > > Have any of you encountered PDF forms recently? > > > > > > What did you use to help the form accessible for you to fill out? > Did you copy and paste it into a Word document and save onto a thumb drive > to fill out at a later time? > What other ideas and suggestions do you guys have about PDF forms and Jaws > and what should I do next time I come accross another Adobe form in the > near future? > Thanks, and take care! > Sincerely: > Preston > > Sent from my iPod > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 19:12:12 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 12:12:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws and PDF Forms In-Reply-To: References: <5126354741010436505@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Have any of you ever had to "sign" a PDF? I filled one out the other day and couldn't figure out how to do it electronically. There was a "get signed" tab in the file menu, but as far as I could tell, nothing happened when I pressed it. Apparently, after I "sign" this document, I will then be able to save it. I googled it and found a bunch of stuff about electronically signing through Adobe, but it seemed complicated as in, you have to have an Adobe account and you sign with your email address. I wasn't sure if this was the same concept. Cindy On 9/10/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi Chris, this is Helga. How are you? I just wanted to ask you, can I send > RoboBraille a microsoft word document and it will converted in Braille > format? But in order to print it I need a Braille printer right? Also, I'm > sorry for asking you this silley question, what's RoboBraille? I actually > never heard of it before. Thanks and God bless! > > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher nusbaum > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:56 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Jaws and PDF Forms > > Hey Preston, > > Ah, the ever-annoying PDF files. :) If I am unable to interact with a > PDF using Adobe, I often will save it to My Documents or another > folder of my choice and then send it as an email attachment to > convert at robobraille.org. In the subject line, specify the file type to > which the PDF file should be converted: DOC, TXT, RTF, BRF, etc. > Within a few minutes, RoboBraille will send you an email with the > converted file attached. You can then access the text of the file in a > more accessible format of your choosing. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Preston Gaylor > wrote: > >> Dear NABS: >> I hope all of you are well! >> I just have a quick question for you all. >> Yesterday, I was filling out a form from Pendot (our state's Department of >> >> Transportation) to get my photo ID, and I did have some trouble filling it >> >> out! >> Jaws was reading the form fine, but to me I thought that the form was >> inaccesable to fill out with Jaws. >> I tried other screen readers like System Access and Narrator, but they >> didn't work! >> Luckily, my Mom was there and she helped me fill the form out completely. >> >> >> >> Have any of you encountered PDF forms recently? >> >> >> >> >> >> What did you use to help the form accessible for you to fill out? >> Did you copy and paste it into a Word document and save onto a thumb drive >> >> to fill out at a later time? >> What other ideas and suggestions do you guys have about PDF forms and Jaws >> >> and what should I do next time I come accross another Adobe form in the >> near future? >> Thanks, and take care! >> Sincerely: >> Preston >> >> Sent from my iPod >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From louvins at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 19:16:07 2013 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 14:16:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Julie. I remember taking some very fun music classes when I was on the main campus in college. However, I didn't have to have anything brailled. I would recommend that you get in toucyh with seedlings braille books from children the website is www.seedlings.org, and their number is 1800-777-8552. Since they produce very high quality books for children and young adults, they would know about good prices and places where you could get braille covers, and cone bindings for your papers. If your embosser embosses with the standard 19 holes per page you should have no problem with getting covers for your materials. Seedlings is an excilent company, I have gotten books from them for years, I hope this helps. Please let us know how things work out. On 9/10/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi Julie, this is Helga. How are you? Have you tried purchasing folders, > where you can fit Braille paper size from the Braille Store? I actually > bought my talking watch on their cite. I really don't remember the name of > the cite very well, but if you want me I could look for it, and let you > know! Just to let you know, I also like to read Braille as well! By the > way, do you have your own Braille printer in order to print in Braille your > > music assignments? Just curious since I would like to get one. Thanks and > God bless!! :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julie McGinnity > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:56 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized > > Hello fellow students, > > Although we all love Braille very much, we must admit that it is very > bulky and poses a problem for those of us who are naturally a little > disorganized. I have found myself embossing quite a lot of Braille > this semester for my music classes(this is why I can't use a Braille > display), and I am looking for somewhere I can get folders, binders, > or anything that will fit the larger sized Braille paper, which is > what I have to work with at the moment. I looked at APH and the > independence Market and didn't see anything. I would also welcome any > tips on keeping my Braille contained and organized. Hope everyone is > having a wonderful semester! > > > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From annajee82 at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 20:40:43 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 15:40:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52466B3F-ECAB-49F2-82CB-AAAFD17EBE79@gmail.com> Well I think these are all good ideas. Maybe some of the ones already suggested would work well. However, it also occurred to me that you could possibly make your own folder. I don't know exactly how much braille paper you need to hold together and all, but depending on that, you could just get a piece of plastic or hard paper and either fold it over and staple it into a simple folder to hold your papers, or you could put some kind of binding or rings in it to hold your papers. Seems like it would be a pretty easy thing to make yourself. Never tried it, just an idea. Anna E Givens On Sep 10, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hello fellow students, > > Although we all love Braille very much, we must admit that it is very > bulky and poses a problem for those of us who are naturally a little > disorganized. I have found myself embossing quite a lot of Braille > this semester for my music classes(this is why I can't use a Braille > display), and I am looking for somewhere I can get folders, binders, > or anything that will fit the larger sized Braille paper, which is > what I have to work with at the moment. I looked at APH and the > independence Market and didn't see anything. I would also welcome any > tips on keeping my Braille contained and organized. Hope everyone is > having a wonderful semester! > > > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Sep 10 23:33:28 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:33:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Etextbooks In-Reply-To: <9db31967fb6b45a4b0c733c6eeab3dfc@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: <8D07BFB4BC2B46A-1B88-2C69D@webmail-d228.sysops.aol.com> <9db31967fb6b45a4b0c733c6eeab3dfc@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: So then can individual students request books from Access Text Network or does the school's DSO have to be the one to make the request? What if a student doesn't have a DSO at their school or doesn't want to rely on somebody else to make the request for them? (especially if it's a last-minute request and the DSO staff are swamped with other stuff) Arielle On 9/10/13, Dan Burke wrote: > The Access Text Network is free to colleges, but they have to sign up. > > When they sign up and request a book for a student, they are required to > affirm that the student has shown proof of purchase. Even so, a school > won't always make you show that proof. > > As to the cost of the book and lack of resale value, VR can and should pay > for textbooks as part of an IPE. > > BTW, resale to the college bookstore is not often very rewarding. > > Best, > Dan > > > Dan Burke > Academic and Youth Services > Colorado Center for the Blind > Take charge with confidence and self-reliance > > www.cocenter.org > facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind > @CoCenter4Blind > www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg > > 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. > Littleton, CO  80120 > 303-778-1130 ext. 210 > 2303-778-1130 fax > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:11 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks > > My school's osd (office for students with disabilities) will scan any > book too as long as I make the purcahse for the textbook which I can't > resell in the end because they take the spine off of the book to scan. > I am trying to be economically efficient here... as well as efficient > in general, meaning I want to get the material in the quickest way > possible. > P.S: I haven't started my classes yet because my school is on the > quarter system. I have about 2 weeks until the first day of school. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Germano > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 9:16 pm > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks > > My university will scan any textbook. Have you checked if disabled > students > services will do that? > > Suzanne > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Miso Kwak wrote: > >> Minh, >> Thank you for the response. >> I am aware of the Access Text website, but not the university access > with >> the publishers. >> Do you know if it's necessary for students to purchase the hard copy >> before requesting the pdf file? >> Miso Kwak >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: minh ha >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > >> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:40 pm >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks >> >> Hey Miso, >> >> Have you heard of the access text network? It's a program where >> universities can sign up and request pdf's of textbooks from >> publishers. You can find out more information at accesstexts.org. I've >> been able to find all of my textbooks through ATN and the files are >> always readable. The only online textbook provider that I had personal >> experience with is CourseSmart. It's a website where you rent your >> books and then access them online. Apparently, there is an accessible >> feature that the provider can turn on for students that use screen >> readers, but I was never able to make it work for me. Honestly it was >> a waste of my time trying to figure it out; I used both internet >> explorer and firefox to trouble shoot it with no success. >> >> HTH, >> Minh >> >> On 9/9/13, Miso Kwak wrote: >> >>> College students, >>> Could you provide me some feedback on your experience of using >>> etextbooks? >>> Which websites or programs are most accessible? >>> I would like to hear feedback on websites that are available to both >>> sighted and visually impaired students. I am asking because one of >>> textbooks is not available on Bookshare, NLS and Learning Ally but >>> available on websites like Chegg. >>> Thank you in advance. >>> Miso Kwak >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> > minh.ha927%40gmail.com g/minh.ha927%40gmail.com> >> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**kwakmiso%40aol.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Sep 10 23:39:06 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 19:39:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Etextbooks In-Reply-To: References: <8D07BFB4BC2B46A-1B88-2C69D@webmail-d228.sysops.aol.com><9db31967fb6b45a4b0c733c6eeab3dfc@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <1056821BB21440B693CA9328311FF281@OwnerPC> Arielle, its my understanding they deal with the DSO only, not individual students. -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks So then can individual students request books from Access Text Network or does the school's DSO have to be the one to make the request? What if a student doesn't have a DSO at their school or doesn't want to rely on somebody else to make the request for them? (especially if it's a last-minute request and the DSO staff are swamped with other stuff) Arielle On 9/10/13, Dan Burke wrote: > The Access Text Network is free to colleges, but they have to sign up. > > When they sign up and request a book for a student, they are required to > affirm that the student has shown proof of purchase. Even so, a school > won't always make you show that proof. > > As to the cost of the book and lack of resale value, VR can and should pay > for textbooks as part of an IPE. > > BTW, resale to the college bookstore is not often very rewarding. > > Best, > Dan > > > Dan Burke > Academic and Youth Services > Colorado Center for the Blind > Take charge with confidence and self-reliance > > www.cocenter.org > facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind > @CoCenter4Blind > www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg > > 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. > Littleton, CO 80120 > 303-778-1130 ext. 210 > 2303-778-1130 fax > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:11 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks > > My school's osd (office for students with disabilities) will scan any > book too as long as I make the purcahse for the textbook which I can't > resell in the end because they take the spine off of the book to scan. > I am trying to be economically efficient here... as well as efficient > in general, meaning I want to get the material in the quickest way > possible. > P.S: I haven't started my classes yet because my school is on the > quarter system. I have about 2 weeks until the first day of school. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Germano > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 9:16 pm > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks > > My university will scan any textbook. Have you checked if disabled > students > services will do that? > > Suzanne > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Miso Kwak wrote: > >> Minh, >> Thank you for the response. >> I am aware of the Access Text website, but not the university access > with >> the publishers. >> Do you know if it's necessary for students to purchase the hard copy >> before requesting the pdf file? >> Miso Kwak >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: minh ha >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > >> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:40 pm >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks >> >> Hey Miso, >> >> Have you heard of the access text network? It's a program where >> universities can sign up and request pdf's of textbooks from >> publishers. You can find out more information at accesstexts.org. I've >> been able to find all of my textbooks through ATN and the files are >> always readable. The only online textbook provider that I had personal >> experience with is CourseSmart. It's a website where you rent your >> books and then access them online. Apparently, there is an accessible >> feature that the provider can turn on for students that use screen >> readers, but I was never able to make it work for me. Honestly it was >> a waste of my time trying to figure it out; I used both internet >> explorer and firefox to trouble shoot it with no success. >> >> HTH, >> Minh >> >> On 9/9/13, Miso Kwak wrote: >> >>> College students, >>> Could you provide me some feedback on your experience of using >>> etextbooks? >>> Which websites or programs are most accessible? >>> I would like to hear feedback on websites that are available to both >>> sighted and visually impaired students. I am asking because one of >>> textbooks is not available on Bookshare, NLS and Learning Ally but >>> available on websites like Chegg. >>> Thank you in advance. >>> Miso Kwak >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> > minh.ha927%40gmail.com g/minh.ha927%40gmail.com> >> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**kwakmiso%40aol.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From mistydbradley at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 00:01:28 2013 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:01:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B1738E0CC124895BABA2ACCD126F025@MistyBradleyPC> I am also sure that APH does have both folders and three-ring binders for larger Braille paper, as I got it from them when I was in high school about 6-10 years ago, so I am pretty sure they should still have it. I think the Braille Bookstore also has folders that are large, although I don't remember for sure. Hth, Misty -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized Hi Julie, this is Helga. How are you? Have you tried purchasing folders, where you can fit Braille paper size from the Braille Store? I actually bought my talking watch on their cite. I really don't remember the name of the cite very well, but if you want me I could look for it, and let you know! Just to let you know, I also like to read Braille as well! By the way, do you have your own Braille printer in order to print in Braille your music assignments? Just curious since I would like to get one. Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Julie McGinnity Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized Hello fellow students, Although we all love Braille very much, we must admit that it is very bulky and poses a problem for those of us who are naturally a little disorganized. I have found myself embossing quite a lot of Braille this semester for my music classes(this is why I can't use a Braille display), and I am looking for somewhere I can get folders, binders, or anything that will fit the larger sized Braille paper, which is what I have to work with at the moment. I looked at APH and the independence Market and didn't see anything. I would also welcome any tips on keeping my Braille contained and organized. Hope everyone is having a wonderful semester! -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Wed Sep 11 00:10:50 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 20:10:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] keeping Braille organized In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Julie, Have you tried looking at Independent Living Aids? Perhaps they are the ones who sell the folders and binders that fit the larger Braille paper. Also, you may want to check out to see if a canvas style art portfolio from an art supply store would work for you. I know this is what my sister uses for her large print music, so perhaps this may work for your Braille music as well. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Julie McGinnity" Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:56 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized > Hello fellow students, > > Although we all love Braille very much, we must admit that it is very > bulky and poses a problem for those of us who are naturally a little > disorganized. I have found myself embossing quite a lot of Braille > this semester for my music classes(this is why I can't use a Braille > display), and I am looking for somewhere I can get folders, binders, > or anything that will fit the larger sized Braille paper, which is > what I have to work with at the moment. I looked at APH and the > independence Market and didn't see anything. I would also welcome any > tips on keeping my Braille contained and organized. Hope everyone is > having a wonderful semester! > > > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 01:01:56 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:01:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Etextbooks In-Reply-To: <1056821BB21440B693CA9328311FF281@OwnerPC> References: <8D07BFB4BC2B46A-1B88-2C69D@webmail-d228.sysops.aol.com> <9db31967fb6b45a4b0c733c6eeab3dfc@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <1056821BB21440B693CA9328311FF281@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Yes, unfortunately ATN only take requests from universities, not the individual students. My understanding is that it doesn't even have to be a DSO that can request it, but any office from the university that can verify that the student has purchased the books. I don't really like this process either, but I can understand that it's a buffer for the publishers. After all, they're trying to make money. I've heard of students that went straight to the publishers themselves and request the pdf, but it just ended up being a mess of showing receipts and miscommunication, etc etc etc. Even though it's not perfect, I'm glad we have this resource and as long as students ask their DSO to request the books a month or so in advance, they should have their books in time for classes to start. Minh On 9/10/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Arielle, > its my understanding they deal with the DSO only, not individual students. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks > > So then can individual students request books from Access Text Network > or does the school's DSO have to be the one to make the request? What > if a student doesn't have a DSO at their school or doesn't want to > rely on somebody else to make the request for them? (especially if > it's a last-minute request and the DSO staff are swamped with other > stuff) > > Arielle > > On 9/10/13, Dan Burke wrote: >> The Access Text Network is free to colleges, but they have to sign up. >> >> When they sign up and request a book for a student, they are required to >> affirm that the student has shown proof of purchase. Even so, a school >> won't always make you show that proof. >> >> As to the cost of the book and lack of resale value, VR can and should >> pay >> for textbooks as part of an IPE. >> >> BTW, resale to the college bookstore is not often very rewarding. >> >> Best, >> Dan >> >> >> Dan Burke >> Academic and Youth Services >> Colorado Center for the Blind >> Take charge with confidence and self-reliance >> >> www.cocenter.org >> facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind >> @CoCenter4Blind >> www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg >> >> 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. >> Littleton, CO 80120 >> 303-778-1130 ext. 210 >> 2303-778-1130 fax >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak >> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:11 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks >> >> My school's osd (office for students with disabilities) will scan any >> book too as long as I make the purcahse for the textbook which I can't >> resell in the end because they take the spine off of the book to scan. >> I am trying to be economically efficient here... as well as efficient >> in general, meaning I want to get the material in the quickest way >> possible. >> P.S: I haven't started my classes yet because my school is on the >> quarter system. I have about 2 weeks until the first day of school. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Suzanne Germano >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 9:16 pm >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks >> >> My university will scan any textbook. Have you checked if disabled >> students >> services will do that? >> >> Suzanne >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Miso Kwak wrote: >> >>> Minh, >>> Thank you for the response. >>> I am aware of the Access Text website, but not the university access >> with >>> the publishers. >>> Do you know if it's necessary for students to purchase the hard copy >>> before requesting the pdf file? >>> Miso Kwak >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: minh ha >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> > >>> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:40 pm >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks >>> >>> Hey Miso, >>> >>> Have you heard of the access text network? It's a program where >>> universities can sign up and request pdf's of textbooks from >>> publishers. You can find out more information at accesstexts.org. I've >>> been able to find all of my textbooks through ATN and the files are >>> always readable. The only online textbook provider that I had personal >>> experience with is CourseSmart. It's a website where you rent your >>> books and then access them online. Apparently, there is an accessible >>> feature that the provider can turn on for students that use screen >>> readers, but I was never able to make it work for me. Honestly it was >>> a waste of my time trying to figure it out; I used both internet >>> explorer and firefox to trouble shoot it with no success. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Minh >>> >>> On 9/9/13, Miso Kwak wrote: >>> >>>> College students, >>>> Could you provide me some feedback on your experience of using >>>> etextbooks? >>>> Which websites or programs are most accessible? >>>> I would like to hear feedback on websites that are available to both >>>> sighted and visually impaired students. I am asking because one of >>>> textbooks is not available on Bookshare, NLS and Learning Ally but >>>> available on websites like Chegg. >>>> Thank you in advance. >>>> Miso Kwak >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> >> minh.ha927%40gmail.com> g/minh.ha927%40gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**kwakmiso%40aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From i.c.bray at win.net Wed Sep 11 01:36:31 2013 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 21:36:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized References: Message-ID: <3B4ED1A0D5904BF297559BC680DB81FE@JAWS> APH has a 3-pack of semi-rigid open tab folders that work really well. I ordered some back when I was doing Nemeth. Ian C. Bray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie McGinnity" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:56 PM Subject: [nabs-l] keeping braille organized : Hello fellow students, : : Although we all love Braille very much, we must admit that it is very : bulky and poses a problem for those of us who are naturally a little : disorganized. I have found myself embossing quite a lot of Braille : this semester for my music classes(this is why I can't use a Braille : display), and I am looking for somewhere I can get folders, binders, : or anything that will fit the larger sized Braille paper, which is : what I have to work with at the moment. I looked at APH and the : independence Market and didn't see anything. I would also welcome any : tips on keeping my Braille contained and organized. Hope everyone is : having a wonderful semester! : : : : : -- : Julie McG : National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National : Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, : Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, : and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 : "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that : everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal : life." : John 3:16 : : _______________________________________________ : nabs-l mailing list : nabs-l at nfbnet.org : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From dzhovani.chemishanov at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 04:03:00 2013 From: dzhovani.chemishanov at gmail.com (Dzhovani) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 07:03:00 +0300 Subject: [nabs-l] Math and pdf Message-ID: <522FEB74.9090805@gmail.com> Hi all, Helga, I don't study in the US and the university has nothing like DSS. I am working with the bookstore manager and the publishers. Tamika, the publisher is Cengage Learning but the people there washed there hands and redirected me to Adobe, the customer groups and so on. Shreyas, yes, as much as I know math ml is a good option, but the problem is how to transfer the formulas in to MS Word. What I was offered in the BlindMath list was to try Infty reader. Best, Dzhovani From trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 04:36:31 2013 From: trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com (Winona Brackett) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:36:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail Message-ID: <441E0455-6C2E-4C12-9854-E3B512D390A8@gmail.com> Hi, Does anyone know how to use Gmail? I knowingly use basic HTML, but it is no longer there when I go to the links list dialogue. How do you attach a file? Winona Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver From opensesame at me.com Wed Sep 11 14:40:35 2013 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:40:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <441E0455-6C2E-4C12-9854-E3B512D390A8@gmail.com> References: <441E0455-6C2E-4C12-9854-E3B512D390A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <71553DD9-9D63-468B-A2E1-B27E27AB6491@me.com> Hi Winona, I don't have any tips for using GMail's standard view, but the following link should load GMail in basic HTML view and provide a link to "Set basic HTML as default view." https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html&zy=h HTH, Bryan On Sep 11, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Winona Brackett wrote: > Does anyone know how to use Gmail? I knowingly use basic HTML, but it is no longer there when I go to the links list dialogue. How do you attach a file? From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 14:45:28 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:45:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <71553DD9-9D63-468B-A2E1-B27E27AB6491@me.com> References: <441E0455-6C2E-4C12-9854-E3B512D390A8@gmail.com> <71553DD9-9D63-468B-A2E1-B27E27AB6491@me.com> Message-ID: <006301ceaefd$8fd0fc80$af72f580$@gmail.com> You definitely want to use it in basic html. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Jones Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:41 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail Hi Winona, I don't have any tips for using GMail's standard view, but the following link should load GMail in basic HTML view and provide a link to "Set basic HTML as default view." https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html&zy=h HTH, Bryan On Sep 11, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Winona Brackett wrote: > Does anyone know how to use Gmail? I knowingly use basic HTML, but it is no longer there when I go to the links list dialogue. How do you attach a file? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From dburke at cocenter.org Wed Sep 11 15:01:59 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:01:59 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Etextbooks In-Reply-To: References: <8D07BFB4BC2B46A-1B88-2C69D@webmail-d228.sysops.aol.com> <9db31967fb6b45a4b0c733c6eeab3dfc@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <1056821BB21440B693CA9328311FF281@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4981c0159fef43c4aa89ec0004d42363@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Yes, this is not a process intended to benefit students with print disabilities, it is rather to protect the publishers' market as individuals and DS offices made increasing requests for electronic files. Some schools don't belong, but continue to make requests directly to the publishers. The entity making the request must affirm the student has bought the book, but also that they have a disability that requires the school to provide an laternative forrmat. The other issue is that most of the time the books come in PDF. Students should be aware that they can ask the DS office to request other formats, such as MS Word and, if the book can't be obtained in Word, the DS office should convert it to that or a better format, such as Daisy. In other words, push your DS office. Best, Dan Dan Burke Academic and Youth Services Colorado Center for the Blind Take charge with confidence and self-reliance www.cocenter.org facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind @CoCenter4Blind www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. Littleton, CO  80120 303-778-1130 ext. 210 Fax: 303-778-1598 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks Yes, unfortunately ATN only take requests from universities, not the individual students. My understanding is that it doesn't even have to be a DSO that can request it, but any office from the university that can verify that the student has purchased the books. I don't really like this process either, but I can understand that it's a buffer for the publishers. After all, they're trying to make money. I've heard of students that went straight to the publishers themselves and request the pdf, but it just ended up being a mess of showing receipts and miscommunication, etc etc etc. Even though it's not perfect, I'm glad we have this resource and as long as students ask their DSO to request the books a month or so in advance, they should have their books in time for classes to start. Minh On 9/10/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Arielle, > its my understanding they deal with the DSO only, not individual students. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks > > So then can individual students request books from Access Text Network > or does the school's DSO have to be the one to make the request? What > if a student doesn't have a DSO at their school or doesn't want to > rely on somebody else to make the request for them? (especially if > it's a last-minute request and the DSO staff are swamped with other > stuff) > > Arielle > > On 9/10/13, Dan Burke wrote: >> The Access Text Network is free to colleges, but they have to sign up. >> >> When they sign up and request a book for a student, they are required to >> affirm that the student has shown proof of purchase. Even so, a school >> won't always make you show that proof. >> >> As to the cost of the book and lack of resale value, VR can and should >> pay >> for textbooks as part of an IPE. >> >> BTW, resale to the college bookstore is not often very rewarding. >> >> Best, >> Dan >> >> >> Dan Burke >> Academic and Youth Services >> Colorado Center for the Blind >> Take charge with confidence and self-reliance >> >> www.cocenter.org >> facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind >> @CoCenter4Blind >> www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg >> >> 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. >> Littleton, CO 80120 >> 303-778-1130 ext. 210 >> 2303-778-1130 fax >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak >> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:11 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks >> >> My school's osd (office for students with disabilities) will scan any >> book too as long as I make the purcahse for the textbook which I can't >> resell in the end because they take the spine off of the book to scan. >> I am trying to be economically efficient here... as well as efficient >> in general, meaning I want to get the material in the quickest way >> possible. >> P.S: I haven't started my classes yet because my school is on the >> quarter system. I have about 2 weeks until the first day of school. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Suzanne Germano >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 9:16 pm >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks >> >> My university will scan any textbook. Have you checked if disabled >> students >> services will do that? >> >> Suzanne >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Miso Kwak wrote: >> >>> Minh, >>> Thank you for the response. >>> I am aware of the Access Text website, but not the university access >> with >>> the publishers. >>> Do you know if it's necessary for students to purchase the hard copy >>> before requesting the pdf file? >>> Miso Kwak >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: minh ha >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> > >>> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:40 pm >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Etextbooks >>> >>> Hey Miso, >>> >>> Have you heard of the access text network? It's a program where >>> universities can sign up and request pdf's of textbooks from >>> publishers. You can find out more information at accesstexts.org. I've >>> been able to find all of my textbooks through ATN and the files are >>> always readable. The only online textbook provider that I had personal >>> experience with is CourseSmart. It's a website where you rent your >>> books and then access them online. Apparently, there is an accessible >>> feature that the provider can turn on for students that use screen >>> readers, but I was never able to make it work for me. Honestly it was >>> a waste of my time trying to figure it out; I used both internet >>> explorer and firefox to trouble shoot it with no success. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Minh >>> >>> On 9/9/13, Miso Kwak wrote: >>> >>>> College students, >>>> Could you provide me some feedback on your experience of using >>>> etextbooks? >>>> Which websites or programs are most accessible? >>>> I would like to hear feedback on websites that are available to both >>>> sighted and visually impaired students. I am asking because one of >>>> textbooks is not available on Bookshare, NLS and Learning Ally but >>>> available on websites like Chegg. >>>> Thank you in advance. >>>> Miso Kwak >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> >> minh.ha927%40gmail.com> g/minh.ha927%40gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. 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Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org From sjhhirst at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 15:54:24 2013 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 10:54:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] "fake" service dogs Message-ID: Here's an NPR story about people dressing their dogs as service dogs so they can take them everywhere: http://www.npr.org/2013/09/11/221017467/four-legged-impostors-give-service-dog-owners-pause In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 From nfbfrida at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 16:32:32 2013 From: nfbfrida at gmail.com (Frida Aizenman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:32:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <71553DD9-9D63-468B-A2E1-B27E27AB6491@me.com> References: <441E0455-6C2E-4C12-9854-E3B512D390A8@gmail.com> <71553DD9-9D63-468B-A2E1-B27E27AB6491@me.com> Message-ID: <52309B20.6040903@gmail.com> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, My computer technician instal Mazilla On 9/11/2013 7:40 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hi Winona, > > I don't have any tips for using GMail's standard view, but the following link should load GMail in basic HTML view and provide a link to "Set basic HTML as default view." > > https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html&zy=h > > HTH, > Bryan > On Sep 11, 2013, at 12:36 AM, Winona Brackett wrote: >> Does anyone know how to use Gmail? I knowingly use basic HTML, but it is no longer there when I go to the links list dialogue. How do you attach a file? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l Thunderbird on my laptop. The program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord document. Otherwise, I was doing really well with Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. > e with the program, I have to cut and paste and put it on a new Wmailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com From nfbfrida at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 16:47:01 2013 From: nfbfrida at gmail.com (Frida Aizenman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 09:47:01 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail Message-ID: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 17:06:14 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:06:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From opensesame at me.com Wed Sep 11 17:34:15 2013 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:34:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30ED05C1-FDDB-4962-84C0-557C3E7F4E69@me.com> Hi -- As Justin said, Outlook 2013 most certanly does exist. I have it installed on a laptop running Windows 7 and a tablet running Windows 8. A four year subscription to the full Microsoft Office 365 University offering, which includes Office 2013, can currently be purchased for US $79.99 from the US Microsoft Store online. Also, GMail can be accessed through a web browser on most operating systems, and does not require an email client. HTH, Bryan On Sep 11, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Frida Aizenman wrote: > My technician says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. > I will see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. From nfbfrida at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 22:49:48 2013 From: nfbfrida at gmail.com (Frida Aizenman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:49:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> <00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: > he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. > > -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: > Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of > Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail > > The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is > the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, > My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The > program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord > document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with > Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla > Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you > like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, > I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I > digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He > seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not > be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at > Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician > says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will > see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need > an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone > says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > > .com > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com I > have Office 7. James came this afternoon to help. With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless you copy and paste into another Word document. James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and according to him, that is what is coming. The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with Office 7. From louvins at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 22:59:24 2013 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 17:59:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> <00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello. Yes, gmail can for sure be used in a regular web browser. I use IE9 and I have gmail set to basic HTML and it works fine. I don't use any email client at all, and I have no problems using gmail. Good luck. On 9/11/13, Frida Aizenman wrote: > On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l > > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: > > Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of > > Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail > > > > The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is > > the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, > > My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The > > program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord > > document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with > > Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla > > Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you > > like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, > > I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I > > digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He > > seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not > > be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at > > Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician > > says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will > > see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need > > an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone > > says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, > > change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > > > > > .com >> > > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, > > change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com > I >> > have Office 7. > James came this afternoon to help. > With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless > you copy and paste into another Word document. > James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and > according to him, that is what is coming. > The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs > to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with > Office 7. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From nfbfrida at gmail.com Wed Sep 11 23:30:30 2013 From: nfbfrida at gmail.com (Frida Aizenman) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:30:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> <00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5230FD16.4070902@gmail.com> On 9/11/2013 3:59 PM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > Hello. Yes, gmail can for sure be used in a regular web browser. I > use IE9 and I have gmail set to basic HTML and it works fine. I don't > use any email client at all, and I have no problems using gmail. Good > luck. > > On 9/11/13, Frida Aizenman wrote: >> On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >>> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l >> > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: >> > Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of >> > Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail >> > >> > The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is >> > the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, >> > My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The >> > program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord >> > document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with >> > Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla >> > Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you >> > like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, >> > I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I >> > digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He >> > seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not >> > be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at >> > Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician >> > says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will >> > see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need >> > an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone >> > says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> > change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> > >> > >> .com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> > change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >> I >> have Office 7. >> James came this afternoon to help. >> With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless >> you copy and paste into another Word document. >> James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and >> according to him, that is what is coming. >> The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs >> to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with >> Office 7. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com I have Office 7not Office 13. I can also use the regular web browser. Not for everything. From valandkayla at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 13:02:36 2013 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 07:02:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Quick little question for IOS users Message-ID: HI and good morning :) Does anyone know of a good recording app for the IOS, preferably one where i can move sed recordings to my computer? Thanks so much. From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 13:44:15 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:44:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Quick little question for IOS users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You should get the dropVox At. It will make creating recordings very easy. It costs, I think, three dollars. You press the record button to start and the same button to stop. As soon as you stop, it automatically sends the recording to your dropbox account, if you have Wi-Fi or cellular data available. Hope this helps, Jewel Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Valerie Gibson wrote: > HI and good morning :) > > Does anyone know of a good recording app for the IOS, preferably one where i can move sed recordings to my computer? > > Thanks so much. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 15:29:25 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:29:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Quick little question for IOS users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <803FFBB8-B330-458D-8A96-1CE827B4F31E@gmail.com> You you could always use the voice memos app on the iPhone. You would have to transfer the recordings onto your computer through iTunes, but if you're inclined to do something like that it's a solution that already comes on the phone. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 12, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Jewel wrote: > You should get the dropVox At. It will make creating recordings very easy. It costs, I think, three dollars. You press the record button to start and the same button to stop. As soon as you stop, it automatically sends the recording to your dropbox account, if you have Wi-Fi or cellular data available. > Hope this helps, > Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Valerie Gibson wrote: > >> HI and good morning :) >> >> Does anyone know of a good recording app for the IOS, preferably one where i can move sed recordings to my computer? >> >> Thanks so much. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From sgermano at asu.edu Thu Sep 12 15:36:33 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 08:36:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Quick little question for IOS users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How long can you record with this? How much battery does it suck up? Thank you Suzanne On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Jewel wrote: > You should get the dropVox At. It will make creating recordings very easy. > It costs, I think, three dollars. You press the record button to start and > the same button to stop. As soon as you stop, it automatically sends the > recording to your dropbox account, if you have Wi-Fi or cellular data > available. > Hope this helps, > Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Valerie Gibson wrote: > > > HI and good morning :) > > > > Does anyone know of a good recording app for the IOS, preferably one > where i can move sed recordings to my computer? > > > > Thanks so much. > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 16:16:14 2013 From: weirdwriter9891 at gmail.com (The weird writer) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:16:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] audio description reviews for this next year In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5231E8CE.6050406@gmail.com> Hi all, I have smashing news! This new year, all my audio description reviews will be online! As of now I'm going to be doing plays and films with audio description but I've thought about expanding into the realm of TV shows with audio description as well. Unfortunately, I haven't found a blog who's willing to let me critique a TV show with audio description. Everyone thinks that I will be doing audio reviews of TV shows and when they hear the stutter this puts them off. I wonder if there's a blindness blog that would let me publish this… thinking look. Anyone out there? waves. I'm open! Anyway, below will be links and such to my pages and RSS feeds as well as emails, if you want to place review requests. I had a blast last year so this year I'm the improved audio description critic! I've signed on with Chicago Stage Standard and Smug Film, two very popular blogs. I'm glad that they have decided to take me on. We've tested the RSS feeds and found out that at least one article needed to be published in order for users to subscribe to them so I have published old reviews and essays there just to get started. Enjoy and pass around the links as well as the RSS feed. you can even add these into earl for the iPhone to turn all of my audio description reviews into audio podcasts. The best is that I don't have to worry about updating! I can just write! Below you will find the links and RSS feeds as well as emails. Below is the link for an application called EARL. EARL is an application to turn any RSS feed into audio so you can listen on your iPhone or IPod. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/earl/id573701016?mt=8 Just add my audio description review RSS feeds and bam! Listen to my cuteness! RSS links are below. Smug Film: film with audio description reviews. http://smugfilm.com/author/robertkingett RSS feed for movie reviews: http://smugfilm.com/author/robertkingett/feed/ To request movie reviews email me at Robert at SmugFilm.com Chicago Stage Standard: plays with audio description reviews. http://chicagostagestandard.com/author/rkingett/ RSS feed for audio described plays for 2013 2014! http://chicagostagestandard.com/author/rkingett/feed/ I've used too many exclamation marks in this email but I don't care! From valandkayla at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 16:23:51 2013 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 10:23:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Read to go question for IOS Message-ID: <9DE0E5F3-08AC-4DE3-9B01-41928C3E62E9@gmail.com> For those who use bookshare's Read to go app: In itunes, the app shows up under file sharing. Does anyone know what kinds of files you can put into it from the computer: Brf? Daisy? both? Also, is there any way to make a suggestion for the app? My suggestion being that the books are synced across all mobile devices who have logged into sed account, so one doesn't have to redownload books on iphone and ipad. Or can this already be done, and I just haven't found out how? Thanks in advance. :) From djd76257 at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 17:51:29 2013 From: djd76257 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 13:51:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Three Young College Women Educating The Public At Large About Blindness To Speak On Audio Access FM Tonight Message-ID: Hello Everybody! With all the misconceptions that exist in the world about blindness, there can never be enough resources out there or people out there educating the public at large. Considering that there are sighted people out there who still think blind people can't even eat bythemselves, there's still quite a lot to be done. But let's take a stroll down to the carolinas, where three vibrant young college women are showing the world that being blind is not bad a thing. In fact, there's a lot one can discover about blindness just by reading their blog. So it is tonight that we will meet The Blinkie Chicks. These women have created a blog that they hope will be a resource to educate people about blindness. http://blinkiechicks.wordpress.com But just who are these women? What are their beliefs about blindness? Learn what they're about, and take a glimpse into what makes them tick, as I will be interviewing The Blinkie Chicks from 7 to 8 PM eastern time tonight as a special on Audio Access FM. Got any questions for these fine young ladies? Send them in to thedjdinvasion at audioaccess.fm Make sure to listen up too, for at some point, you'll be asked a question from the interview, and the people who can submit a correct answer within ten minutes of the question being asked by emailing laptop at audioaccess.fm will have a chance to be put in the drawing for our grand prize, your very own laptop computer, to be given away on September 17. So check out their blog, submit a question if you'd like, then listen in between 7 and 8 PM eastern at http://www.audioaccess.fm/listen as we get a glimpse into the world of the blinkie chicks! Hope to see you all there! >From David Dunphy From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Thu Sep 12 17:54:06 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 17:54:06 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Three Young College Women Educating The Public At Large About Blindness To Speak On Audio Access FM Tonight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One of these ladies happens to be on this list! I'll catch the archive, since I'll be in class! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of David Dunphy [djd76257 at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 12:51 PM To: nabs-l Subject: [nabs-l] Three Young College Women Educating The Public At Large About Blindness To Speak On Audio Access FM Tonight Hello Everybody! With all the misconceptions that exist in the world about blindness, there can never be enough resources out there or people out there educating the public at large. Considering that there are sighted people out there who still think blind people can't even eat bythemselves, there's still quite a lot to be done. But let's take a stroll down to the carolinas, where three vibrant young college women are showing the world that being blind is not bad a thing. In fact, there's a lot one can discover about blindness just by reading their blog. So it is tonight that we will meet The Blinkie Chicks. These women have created a blog that they hope will be a resource to educate people about blindness. http://blinkiechicks.wordpress.com But just who are these women? What are their beliefs about blindness? Learn what they're about, and take a glimpse into what makes them tick, as I will be interviewing The Blinkie Chicks from 7 to 8 PM eastern time tonight as a special on Audio Access FM. Got any questions for these fine young ladies? Send them in to thedjdinvasion at audioaccess.fm Make sure to listen up too, for at some point, you'll be asked a question from the interview, and the people who can submit a correct answer within ten minutes of the question being asked by emailing laptop at audioaccess.fm will have a chance to be put in the drawing for our grand prize, your very own laptop computer, to be given away on September 17. So check out their blog, submit a question if you'd like, then listen in between 7 and 8 PM eastern at http://www.audioaccess.fm/listen as we get a glimpse into the world of the blinkie chicks! Hope to see you all there! >From David Dunphy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 22:54:58 2013 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 17:54:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bard Message-ID: <466C3D5FAD3C4616ACBADDD10CA264C6@Gloria> Hi all, Does anyone know how to deleate the list of previously downloaded books on the Bard cite? Thanks From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 23:07:22 2013 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 19:07:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] speech-language pathology or special ed Message-ID: <52324798.2133ec0a.5ce6.ffffddb6@mx.google.com> Hello, I posted before that I am thinking about getting a masters degree in speech-language pathology. However, I was talking to my former second grade teacher yesterday about it. She said that she doesn't think I would be successful with this because of the high degree of visual tasks such as being able to see how someone is moving their mouth during speech or things like that. I indicated that I could maybe do it by feel, but she still feels that this would be too visual. This came from having talked to the speech therapist at the elementary school. On the other hand, I have also considered the special education field. I have been tutoring two students in Braille since June and really enjoy it. My sister thinks that I'd make a good Braille teacher. So I am wondering which field would be better suited for a totally blind student. I want to make sure my money is being well spent. In other words, I don't want to go through the speech-language pathology program only to find out that I cannot do it. Any opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay From louvins at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 23:09:54 2013 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:09:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bard In-Reply-To: <466C3D5FAD3C4616ACBADDD10CA264C6@Gloria> References: <466C3D5FAD3C4616ACBADDD10CA264C6@Gloria> Message-ID: Hello, Gloria, as far as I know, there is no way to delete your list of previously downloaded books. Why would you want to do so? I am actually very glad that feature is there. I had an external hard drive crash, and I had to get several of my bard books back, I used that list to find the books I needed, and just redownloaded them. My NLS bard collection is now around between 3 and 400 gigs worth of materials. On 9/12/13, Gloria G wrote: > Hi all, > Does anyone know how to deleate the list of previously downloaded books on > the Bard cite? > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Sep 12 23:58:38 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 17:58:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] speech-language pathology or special ed In-Reply-To: <52324798.2133ec0a.5ce6.ffffddb6@mx.google.com> References: <52324798.2133ec0a.5ce6.ffffddb6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Kelsey, This would be a good question to ask on the NFB's human-services list. My friend is totally blind and got her bachelor's degree in speech/language and hearing sciences, though she is now a Braille teacher funnily enough. Anyway, she obviously figured out enough to be able to earn a degree in the field, so I'll ask her permission to give you her email address. In general, though, I think you should go into the field that you feel more attracted to and not base your decisions on what sighted people think, even sighted people working in the field you are interested in. The fact is that most sighted people mean well but have no clue how a blind person does anything. They base their judgments on how they do stuff and often assume that because they do something with their eyes it is not possible for a blind person to do the task at all. By that logic, though, we wouldn't be able to read or write because sighted people use their eyes to do those things. Obviously you can read and write, so if you can do that, then you can find a way to do speech therapy or anything else using alternative techniques, like touching the client's mouth as you suggest. That said, some fields require more creative alternative techniques than others, and that is where it is really good to talk with blind people who have done it or at least tried. After talking with blind people, and examining your own passions, you can make an informed decision about which career path is rewarding enough to outweigh any challenges involved. Best, Arielle On 9/12/13, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > I posted before that I am thinking about getting a masters degree > in speech-language pathology. However, I was talking to my > former second grade teacher yesterday about it. She said that > she doesn't think I would be successful with this because of the > high degree of visual tasks such as being able to see how someone > is moving their mouth during speech or things like that. I > indicated that I could maybe do it by feel, but she still feels > that this would be too visual. This came from having talked to > the speech therapist at the elementary school. On the other > hand, I have also considered the special education field. I have > been tutoring two students in Braille since June and really enjoy > it. My sister thinks that I'd make a good Braille teacher. So I > am wondering which field would be better suited for a totally > blind student. I want to make sure my money is being well spent. > In other words, I don't want to go through the speech-language > pathology program only to find out that I cannot do it. Any > opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks in advance, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From annajee82 at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 01:04:35 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:04:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] speech-language pathology or special ed In-Reply-To: <52324798.2133ec0a.5ce6.ffffddb6@mx.google.com> References: <52324798.2133ec0a.5ce6.ffffddb6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0ADFB8C1-CB42-48C9-A07B-FFEF7363F3D5@gmail.com> Kelsey, I think Arielle spoke very well to your question. And I recommend that you take her suggestions. Also I think job shadowing may be very useful to you. I don't know what all you have done so far, and not sure if you have chosen or completed your Bachelor's yet. But I can say that there are so many blind people doing things they have been told they cannot do. I would try to find a blind person working in speech pathology. Calling the national office may be of value in finding someone who knows about this, if you can't find anything locally or on the professional email lists. I would work on that, and in the meantime see if you can shadow a speech pathologist a few times, blind or sighted. It is good to see exactly what their day to day is like and be making a professional connection at the same time. Also check out American Foundation for the Blind and American Council of the Blind. One or both of them have various resources and mentors in different fields. See if you can find someone there. Keep looking for resources and you will find them. If you really want to do speech language pathology, you should definitely pursue it. If you want to do special education or braille teacher then you should do that. But if special ed is a back up plan, something you enjoy but not what you choose first, it is better to go with first choice. I have seen people choose careers that are "easier" for them, being blind, and while they do excellent work, they enjoy what they do, and they're work is needed, they aren't actually doing near as good of a job as they would be if they stuck stubbornly with their passion, their first choice career. If we all took the road that was easier, we would not have accomplished nearly as much as we have. Anna E Givens On Sep 12, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > I posted before that I am thinking about getting a masters degree in speech-language pathology. However, I was talking to my former second grade teacher yesterday about it. She said that she doesn't think I would be successful with this because of the high degree of visual tasks such as being able to see how someone is moving their mouth during speech or things like that. I indicated that I could maybe do it by feel, but she still feels that this would be too visual. This came from having talked to the speech therapist at the elementary school. On the other hand, I have also considered the special education field. I have been tutoring two students in Braille since June and really enjoy it. My sister thinks that I'd make a good Braille teacher. So I am wondering which field would be better suited for a totally blind student. I want to make sure my money is being well spent. In other words, I don't want to go through the speech-language pathology program only to find out that I cannot do it. Any opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks in advance, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From NMPBRAT at aol.com Fri Sep 13 01:39:00 2013 From: NMPBRAT at aol.com (NMPBRAT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 21:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] speech-language pathology or special ed Message-ID: <91e23.2938eda8.3f63c6b4@aol.com> Hi Kelsey, I would preface my remarks with saying that I think you can do anything you put your mind to and can do either field if you work hard at it. I will also share that I am legally blind. I have a solid background in Special Education, with both a bachelors and masters degree in it....and have been employed in the field for the past 12 years... and although I do not have a degree in Speech-Language Pathology, I have a decent understanding of the field and what it requires. With that said, I would tell you that I think you will run into less barriers going into Special Ed. than becoming a SLP. That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't do it, I just think when you embark on a journey, I think you need to be realistic about the path you must follow and the obstacles you will likely encounter...and then decide whether or not you are up to the task. I would also comment on the fact that I believe having a masters in special education will give you more avenues and opportunities than having a masters in speech-language pathology. I just think there are more options available and directions you can go with it. Just something to think about. Bottom line, go with your gut....I've found that mine always leads me in the right direction. Good luck! Nicole In a message dated 9/12/2013 7:01:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, piano.girl0299 at gmail.com writes: Hello, I posted before that I am thinking about getting a masters degree in speech-language pathology. However, I was talking to my former second grade teacher yesterday about it. She said that she doesn't think I would be successful with this because of the high degree of visual tasks such as being able to see how someone is moving their mouth during speech or things like that. I indicated that I could maybe do it by feel, but she still feels that this would be too visual. This came from having talked to the speech therapist at the elementary school. On the other hand, I have also considered the special education field. I have been tutoring two students in Braille since June and really enjoy it. My sister thinks that I'd make a good Braille teacher. So I am wondering which field would be better suited for a totally blind student. I want to make sure my money is being well spent. In other words, I don't want to go through the speech-language pathology program only to find out that I cannot do it. Any opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Sep 13 03:57:23 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 23:57:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com><00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> Frida, It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have windows live mail on the pc. This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other free email clients you may be able to install. Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook with them. If your computer guy said you cannot save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you can do. An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the basic html feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Frida Aizenman Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: > he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. > > -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: > Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of > Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail > > The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is > the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, > My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The > program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord > document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with > Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla > Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you > like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, > I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I > digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He > seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not > be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at > Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician > says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will > see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need > an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone > says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > > .com > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com I > have Office 7. James came this afternoon to help. With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless you copy and paste into another Word document. James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and according to him, that is what is coming. The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with Office 7. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Fri Sep 13 04:03:32 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 04:03:32 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com><00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com>, <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! Internet Explorer's the way to go! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail Frida, It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have windows live mail on the pc. This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other free email clients you may be able to install. Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook with them. If your computer guy said you cannot save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you can do. An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the basic html feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Frida Aizenman Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: > he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. > > -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: > Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of > Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail > > The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is > the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, > My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The > program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord > document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with > Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla > Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you > like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, > I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I > digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He > seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not > be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at > Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician > says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will > see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need > an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone > says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > > .com > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, > change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com I > have Office 7. James came this afternoon to help. With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless you copy and paste into another Word document. James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and according to him, that is what is coming. The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with Office 7. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 04:07:06 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 00:07:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] speech-language pathology or special ed In-Reply-To: <91e23.2938eda8.3f63c6b4@aol.com> References: <91e23.2938eda8.3f63c6b4@aol.com> Message-ID: <005201ceb036$b67bc3d0$23734b70$@gmail.com> First, what do you want to do; what does Kelsy want? While speech pathology may be a challenging field, it is doable. There is at least one blind person who succeeded in obtaining their degree. I don't want to tell you not to listen to any of the sighted; that is not fair, but Arielle is right about what she said in that they really don't know how we do things. The sighted people who you should listen to would be those in the field of speech pathology, definitely not someone who has not had any experience related to that. The second grade teacher wouldn't usually no anything about speech pathology; I don't mean any disrespect to her in anyway, but how would she know? I can understand you wanting to be sure that you are choosing the best career; that's smart, very smart. Carefully weigh and investigate both options. What skills and talents do you have which will senergize with your interests? Remember, when we are searching for employment, it is imperative that you give the employer confidence in you. That can be done with either field. However, while it seems that special Ed may be the easier road, don't major in the field because your sister says that she thinks you are a good braille teacher. Once again, I mean no disrespect, but to the sighted, you teaching someone braille would make sense. Follow your own star; I had to learn that the hard way, and find those people, sighted and Blind, who will help you realize whatever vision You have for yourself. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NMPBRAT at aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:39 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] speech-language pathology or special ed Hi Kelsey, I would preface my remarks with saying that I think you can do anything you put your mind to and can do either field if you work hard at it. I will also share that I am legally blind. I have a solid background in Special Education, with both a bachelors and masters degree in it....and have been employed in the field for the past 12 years... and although I do not have a degree in Speech-Language Pathology, I have a decent understanding of the field and what it requires. With that said, I would tell you that I think you will run into less barriers going into Special Ed. than becoming a SLP. That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't do it, I just think when you embark on a journey, I think you need to be realistic about the path you must follow and the obstacles you will likely encounter...and then decide whether or not you are up to the task. I would also comment on the fact that I believe having a masters in special education will give you more avenues and opportunities than having a masters in speech-language pathology. I just think there are more options available and directions you can go with it. Just something to think about. Bottom line, go with your gut....I've found that mine always leads me in the right direction. Good luck! Nicole In a message dated 9/12/2013 7:01:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, piano.girl0299 at gmail.com writes: Hello, I posted before that I am thinking about getting a masters degree in speech-language pathology. However, I was talking to my former second grade teacher yesterday about it. She said that she doesn't think I would be successful with this because of the high degree of visual tasks such as being able to see how someone is moving their mouth during speech or things like that. I indicated that I could maybe do it by feel, but she still feels that this would be too visual. This came from having talked to the speech therapist at the elementary school. On the other hand, I have also considered the special education field. I have been tutoring two students in Braille since June and really enjoy it. My sister thinks that I'd make a good Braille teacher. So I am wondering which field would be better suited for a totally blind student. I want to make sure my money is being well spent. In other words, I don't want to go through the speech-language pathology program only to find out that I cannot do it. Any opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From louvins at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 04:09:42 2013 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 23:09:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> <00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> Message-ID: HiFreeda. I have used gmail on the web in basic HTML form for years, and sending MS word attachments is very doable. If you'd like some one on one help doing this, please don't hesitate to ask me off list, and I'll be glad to help you. Good luck. On 9/12/13, Joshua Lester wrote: > Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! > I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! > Internet Explorer's the way to go! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett > [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail > > Frida, > It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. > Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have > windows live mail on the pc. > This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other free > email > clients you may be able to install. > Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook with > them. > > If your computer guy said you cannot > save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you can > do. > An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the basic > html > feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Frida Aizenman > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail > > On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: >> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of >> Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail >> >> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is >> the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, >> My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The >> program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord >> document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with >> Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla >> Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you >> like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, >> I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I >> digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He >> seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not >> be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at >> Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician >> says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will >> see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need >> an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone >> says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> >> > .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com > I >> > have Office 7. > James came this afternoon to help. > With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless > you copy and paste into another Word document. > James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and > according to him, that is what is coming. > The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs > to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with > Office 7. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From nfbfrida at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 13:22:58 2013 From: nfbfrida at gmail.com (Frida Aizenman) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 06:22:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com><00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com>, <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <523311B2.9010404@gmail.com> On 9/12/2013 9:03 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! > I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! > Internet Explorer's the way to go! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail > > Frida, > It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. > Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have > windows live mail on the pc. > This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other free email > clients you may be able to install. > Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook with > them. > > If your computer guy said you cannot > save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you can > do. > An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the basic html > feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Frida Aizenman > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail > > On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: >> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of >> Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail >> >> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is >> the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, >> My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The >> program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord >> document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with >> Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla >> Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you >> like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, >> I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I >> digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He >> seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not >> be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at >> Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician >> says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will >> see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need >> an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone >> says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> > .com >> >> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com > I > have Office 7. > James came this afternoon to help. > With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless > you copy and paste into another Word document. > James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and > according to him, that is what is coming. > The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs > to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with > Office 7. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com Ashley, I use the web gmail interface, and use the basic html feature, but I don't seem to be able to attach files. Maybe I don't happen to know how to do that. Joshua, I have Internet Explorer Besides my new Windows 7 Toshiba laptop, I have my old XP Desktop with Outlook Express. It has fan problems, but only the upper fan which is not bad and can function without trouble, but, as you know, if the computer goes so will Outlook Express. For now I can use it. On my laptop, I decided to have Microsoft Office 7. James, my technician said that he pays to receive a magazine which tells him what the trends will be in the next two years or so. There is no changing his mind about either Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. I have Mazilla Thunderbird because I was curious. I am also learning to use the iPhone. When I was at the NFB National convention, my cousin who lives in Florida gave me her iPhone 4, she has an iPhone 5, but, her iPhone is perfect for learning. My iPhone is not connected to AT&T, but with WI-FI I can use it and get on the Internet etc. without paying for data. I guess you could say I am treating the iPhone like an iPad. At the moment, I don't know if I will become proficient in typing on the iPhone, or whether I will have to get a keyboard. I am still learning and can't decide. It is too soon for me. Frida From joshkart12 at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 13:34:19 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:34:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <523311B2.9010404@gmail.com> References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> <00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> <523311B2.9010404@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've been silent on this thread, but it doesn't look like they have the basic HTML interface anymore, at least not obviously accessible. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Frida Aizenman wrote: > On 9/12/2013 9:03 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! >> I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! >> Internet Explorer's the way to go! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >> >> Frida, >> It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. >> Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have >> windows live mail on the pc. >> This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other free email >> clients you may be able to install. >> Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook with >> them. >> >> If your computer guy said you cannot >> save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you can >> do. >> An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the basic html >> feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frida Aizenman >> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >> >> On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >>> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: >>> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of >>> Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail >>> >>> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is >>> the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, >>> My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The >>> program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord >>> document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with >>> Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla >>> Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you >>> like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, >>> I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I >>> digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He >>> seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not >>> be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at >>> Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician >>> says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will >>> see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need >>> an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone >>> says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> >> .com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >> I >> have Office 7. >> James came this afternoon to help. >> With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless >> you copy and paste into another Word document. >> James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and >> according to him, that is what is coming. >> The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs >> to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with >> Office 7. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com > Ashley, > I use the web gmail interface, and use the basic html feature, but I don't seem to be able to attach files. Maybe I don't happen to know how to do that. > Joshua, I have Internet Explorer > Besides my new Windows 7 Toshiba laptop, I have my old XP Desktop with Outlook Express. It has fan problems, but only the upper fan which is not bad and can function without trouble, but, as you know, if the computer goes so will Outlook Express. For now I can use it. > On my laptop, I decided to have Microsoft Office 7. > James, my technician said that he pays to receive a magazine which tells him what the trends will be in the next two years or so. There is no changing his mind about either Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. I have Mazilla Thunderbird because I was curious. > I am also learning to use the iPhone. When I was at the NFB National convention, my cousin who lives in Florida gave me her iPhone 4, she has an iPhone 5, but, her iPhone is perfect for learning. > My iPhone is not connected to AT&T, but with WI-FI I can use it and get on the Internet etc. without paying for data. I guess you could say I am treating the iPhone like an iPad. > At the moment, I don't know if I will become proficient in typing on the iPhone, or whether I will have to get a keyboard. I am still learning and can't decide. It is too soon for me. > Frida > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From nfbfrida at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 13:37:31 2013 From: nfbfrida at gmail.com (Frida Aizenman) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 06:37:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] gmail Message-ID: <5233151B.4090506@gmail.com> Ashley, I use the web gmail interface, and use the basic html feature, but I don't seem to be able to attach files. Maybe I don't happen to know how to do that. Joshua, I have Internet Explorer Besides my new Windows 7 Toshiba laptop, I have my old XP Desktop with Outlook Express. It has fan problems, but only the upper fan which is not bad and can function without trouble, but, as you know, if the computer goes so will Outlook Express. For now I can use it. On my laptop, I decided to have Microsoft Office 7. James, my technician said that he pays to receive a magazine which tells him what the trends will be in the next two years or so. There is no changing his mind about either Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. I have Mazilla Thunderbird because I was curious. I am also learning to use the iPhone. When I was at the NFB National convention, my cousin who lives in Florida gave me her iPhone 4, she has an iPhone 5, but, her iPhone is perfect for learning. My iPhone is not connected to AT&T, but with WI-FI I can use it and get on the Internet etc. without paying for data. I guess you could say I am treating the iPhone like an iPad. At the moment, I don't know if I will become proficient in typing on the iPhone, or whether I will have to get a keyboard. I am still learning and can't decide. It is too soon for me. Frida From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Sep 13 13:44:55 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:44:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <523311B2.9010404@gmail.com> References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com><00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com><5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com>, <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> <523311B2.9010404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <724D7808A84F4E118AF739CFDCE33655@OwnerPC> Frida FYI, your messages appear at the bottom. Try to fix this so we can read your messages better. -----Original Message----- From: Frida Aizenman Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:22 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail On 9/12/2013 9:03 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! > I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! > Internet Explorer's the way to go! > Blessings, Joshua > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett > [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail > > Frida, > It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. > Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have > windows live mail on the pc. > This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other free > email > clients you may be able to install. > Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook with > them. > > If your computer guy said you cannot > save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you can > do. > An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the basic > html > feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Frida Aizenman > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail > > On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: >> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of >> Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail >> >> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is >> the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, >> My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The >> program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord >> document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with >> Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla >> Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you >> like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, >> I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I >> digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He >> seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not >> be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at >> Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician >> says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will >> see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need >> an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone >> says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> > .com >> >> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com > I > have Office 7. > James came this afternoon to help. > With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless > you copy and paste into another Word document. > James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and > according to him, that is what is coming. > The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs > to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with > Office 7. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com Ashley, I use the web gmail interface, and use the basic html feature, but I don't seem to be able to attach files. Maybe I don't happen to know how to do that. Joshua, I have Internet Explorer Besides my new Windows 7 Toshiba laptop, I have my old XP Desktop with Outlook Express. It has fan problems, but only the upper fan which is not bad and can function without trouble, but, as you know, if the computer goes so will Outlook Express. For now I can use it. On my laptop, I decided to have Microsoft Office 7. James, my technician said that he pays to receive a magazine which tells him what the trends will be in the next two years or so. There is no changing his mind about either Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. I have Mazilla Thunderbird because I was curious. I am also learning to use the iPhone. When I was at the NFB National convention, my cousin who lives in Florida gave me her iPhone 4, she has an iPhone 5, but, her iPhone is perfect for learning. My iPhone is not connected to AT&T, but with WI-FI I can use it and get on the Internet etc. without paying for data. I guess you could say I am treating the iPhone like an iPad. At the moment, I don't know if I will become proficient in typing on the iPhone, or whether I will have to get a keyboard. I am still learning and can't decide. It is too soon for me. Frida _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From tyler at tysdomain.com Fri Sep 13 13:54:07 2013 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:54:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <724D7808A84F4E118AF739CFDCE33655@OwnerPC> References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com><00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com><5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com>, <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> <523311B2.9010404@gmail.com> <724D7808A84F4E118AF739CFDCE33655@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <523318FF.707@tysdomain.com> Josh: Your message shows your usual since of overwhelming intellect. First, there's nothing wrong with Firefox or Thunderbird. I particularly like being able to install plugins like noscript/etc. Also IE has a pretty bad trackrecord for security issues. Firefox hit a bad point recently, but they're putting a lot of work in. Second, thunderbird is probably one of the best free email clients for windows out there. It's a lot easier than using outhouse for sure and again there are useful plugins like lightning for example. On 9/13/2013 9:44 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Frida > FYI, your messages appear at the bottom. Try to fix this so we can > read your messages better. > > -----Original Message----- From: Frida Aizenman > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail > > On 9/12/2013 9:03 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! >> I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! >> Internet Explorer's the way to go! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett >> [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >> >> Frida, >> It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. >> Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have >> windows live mail on the pc. >> This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other >> free email >> clients you may be able to install. >> Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook >> with >> them. >> >> If your computer guy said you cannot >> save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you >> can >> do. >> An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the >> basic html >> feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frida Aizenman >> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >> >> On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >>> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: >>> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of >>> Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail >>> >>> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is >>> the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, >>> My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The >>> program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord >>> document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with >>> Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla >>> Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you >>> like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, >>> I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I >>> digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He >>> seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not >>> be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at >>> Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician >>> says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will >>> see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need >>> an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone >>> says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> >>> >> .com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >>> >> I >> have Office 7. >> James came this afternoon to help. >> With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless >> you copy and paste into another Word document. >> James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and >> according to him, that is what is coming. >> The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs >> to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with >> Office 7. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com > Ashley, > I use the web gmail interface, and use the basic html feature, but I > don't seem to be able to attach files. Maybe I don't happen to know how > to do that. > Joshua, I have Internet Explorer > Besides my new Windows 7 Toshiba laptop, I have my old XP Desktop with > Outlook Express. It has fan problems, but only the upper fan which is > not bad and can function without trouble, but, as you know, if the > computer goes so will Outlook Express. For now I can use it. > On my laptop, I decided to have Microsoft Office 7. > James, my technician said that he pays to receive a magazine which tells > him what the trends will be in the next two years or so. There is no > changing his mind about either Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. I have > Mazilla Thunderbird because I was curious. > I am also learning to use the iPhone. When I was at the NFB National > convention, my cousin who lives in Florida gave me her iPhone 4, she has > an iPhone 5, but, her iPhone is perfect for learning. > My iPhone is not connected to AT&T, but with WI-FI I can use it and get > on the Internet etc. without paying for data. I guess you could say I am > treating the iPhone like an iPad. > At the moment, I don't know if I will become proficient in typing on the > iPhone, or whether I will have to get a keyboard. I am still learning > and can't decide. It is too soon for me. > Frida > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 14:17:27 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:17:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <724D7808A84F4E118AF739CFDCE33655@OwnerPC> References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> <00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> <523311B2.9010404@gmail.com> <724D7808A84F4E118AF739CFDCE33655@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <2207820242444763147@unknownmsgid> Some of you have asked about the availability of Microsoft Outlook. To clarify, it is true that not all Office versions contain a full version of Outlook. You will have to purchase Office Home and Business in order to get access to this program, which I would highly recommend. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Frida > FYI, your messages appear at the bottom. Try to fix this so we can read your messages better. > > -----Original Message----- From: Frida Aizenman > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail > > On 9/12/2013 9:03 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! >> I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! >> Internet Explorer's the way to go! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >> >> Frida, >> It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. >> Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have >> windows live mail on the pc. >> This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other free email >> clients you may be able to install. >> Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook with >> them. >> >> If your computer guy said you cannot >> save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you can >> do. >> An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the basic html >> feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frida Aizenman >> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >> >> On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >>> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: >>> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of >>> Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail >>> >>> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is >>> the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, >>> My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The >>> program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord >>> document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with >>> Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla >>> Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you >>> like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, >>> I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I >>> digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He >>> seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not >>> be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at >>> Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician >>> says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will >>> see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need >>> an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone >>> says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >> I >> have Office 7. >> James came this afternoon to help. >> With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless >> you copy and paste into another Word document. >> James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and >> according to him, that is what is coming. >> The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs >> to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with >> Office 7. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com > Ashley, > I use the web gmail interface, and use the basic html feature, but I > don't seem to be able to attach files. Maybe I don't happen to know how > to do that. > Joshua, I have Internet Explorer > Besides my new Windows 7 Toshiba laptop, I have my old XP Desktop with > Outlook Express. It has fan problems, but only the upper fan which is > not bad and can function without trouble, but, as you know, if the > computer goes so will Outlook Express. For now I can use it. > On my laptop, I decided to have Microsoft Office 7. > James, my technician said that he pays to receive a magazine which tells > him what the trends will be in the next two years or so. There is no > changing his mind about either Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. I have > Mazilla Thunderbird because I was curious. > I am also learning to use the iPhone. When I was at the NFB National > convention, my cousin who lives in Florida gave me her iPhone 4, she has > an iPhone 5, but, her iPhone is perfect for learning. > My iPhone is not connected to AT&T, but with WI-FI I can use it and get > on the Internet etc. without paying for data. I guess you could say I am > treating the iPhone like an iPad. > At the moment, I don't know if I will become proficient in typing on the > iPhone, or whether I will have to get a keyboard. I am still learning > and can't decide. It is too soon for me. > Frida > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 14:23:59 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:23:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> <00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> <523311B2.9010404@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not sure where you were looking, but the basic html option is still readily accessible. I had to change it the other day. If you go to settings, there'll be a link that says something like, "switch to html view." HTH, Minh On 9/13/13, Josh Gregory wrote: > I've been silent on this thread, but it doesn't look like they have the > basic HTML interface anymore, at least not obviously accessible. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Frida Aizenman wrote: > >> On 9/12/2013 9:03 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! >>> I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! >>> Internet Explorer's the way to go! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett >>> [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >>> >>> Frida, >>> It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. >>> Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have >>> windows live mail on the pc. >>> This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other free >>> email >>> clients you may be able to install. >>> Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook >>> with >>> them. >>> >>> If your computer guy said you cannot >>> save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you >>> can >>> do. >>> An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the basic >>> html >>> feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. >>> >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Frida Aizenman >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >>> >>> On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >>>> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: >>>> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of >>>> Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail >>>> >>>> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is >>>> the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, >>>> My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The >>>> program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord >>>> document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with >>>> Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla >>>> Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you >>>> like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, >>>> I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I >>>> digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He >>>> seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not >>>> be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at >>>> Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician >>>> says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will >>>> see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need >>>> an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone >>>> says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>> >>> .com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >>> I >>> have Office 7. >>> James came this afternoon to help. >>> With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless >>> you copy and paste into another Word document. >>> James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and >>> according to him, that is what is coming. >>> The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs >>> to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with >>> Office 7. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >> Ashley, >> I use the web gmail interface, and use the basic html feature, but I don't >> seem to be able to attach files. Maybe I don't happen to know how to do >> that. >> Joshua, I have Internet Explorer >> Besides my new Windows 7 Toshiba laptop, I have my old XP Desktop with >> Outlook Express. It has fan problems, but only the upper fan which is not >> bad and can function without trouble, but, as you know, if the computer >> goes so will Outlook Express. For now I can use it. >> On my laptop, I decided to have Microsoft Office 7. >> James, my technician said that he pays to receive a magazine which tells >> him what the trends will be in the next two years or so. There is no >> changing his mind about either Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. I have >> Mazilla Thunderbird because I was curious. >> I am also learning to use the iPhone. When I was at the NFB National >> convention, my cousin who lives in Florida gave me her iPhone 4, she has >> an iPhone 5, but, her iPhone is perfect for learning. >> My iPhone is not connected to AT&T, but with WI-FI I can use it and get on >> the Internet etc. without paying for data. I guess you could say I am >> treating the iPhone like an iPad. >> At the moment, I don't know if I will become proficient in typing on the >> iPhone, or whether I will have to get a keyboard. I am still learning and >> can't decide. It is too soon for me. >> Frida >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From joshkart12 at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 14:34:14 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:34:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> <00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> <523311B2.9010404@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you could pass on instructions, that would be great, I'm subscribed to the braillenote list for the humanware products, and I'm sure a lot of people there would love to know how to do this. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:23 AM, minh ha wrote: > Not sure where you were looking, but the basic html option is still > readily accessible. I had to change it the other day. If you go to > settings, there'll be a link that says something like, "switch to html > view." > > HTH, > Minh > > On 9/13/13, Josh Gregory wrote: >> I've been silent on this thread, but it doesn't look like they have the >> basic HTML interface anymore, at least not obviously accessible. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Frida Aizenman wrote: >> >>> On 9/12/2013 9:03 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! >>>> I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! >>>> Internet Explorer's the way to go! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett >>>> [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >>>> >>>> Frida, >>>> It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. >>>> Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have >>>> windows live mail on the pc. >>>> This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other free >>>> email >>>> clients you may be able to install. >>>> Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook >>>> with >>>> them. >>>> >>>> If your computer guy said you cannot >>>> save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you >>>> can >>>> do. >>>> An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the basic >>>> html >>>> feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Frida Aizenman >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >>>> >>>> On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >>>>> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: >>>>> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of >>>>> Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail >>>>> >>>>> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is >>>>> the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, >>>>> My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The >>>>> program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord >>>>> document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with >>>>> Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla >>>>> Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you >>>>> like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, >>>>> I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I >>>>> digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He >>>>> seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not >>>>> be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at >>>>> Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician >>>>> says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will >>>>> see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need >>>>> an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone >>>>> says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>>>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>>>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >>>> I >>>> have Office 7. >>>> James came this afternoon to help. >>>> With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless >>>> you copy and paste into another Word document. >>>> James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and >>>> according to him, that is what is coming. >>>> The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs >>>> to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with >>>> Office 7. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >>> Ashley, >>> I use the web gmail interface, and use the basic html feature, but I don't >>> seem to be able to attach files. Maybe I don't happen to know how to do >>> that. >>> Joshua, I have Internet Explorer >>> Besides my new Windows 7 Toshiba laptop, I have my old XP Desktop with >>> Outlook Express. It has fan problems, but only the upper fan which is not >>> bad and can function without trouble, but, as you know, if the computer >>> goes so will Outlook Express. For now I can use it. >>> On my laptop, I decided to have Microsoft Office 7. >>> James, my technician said that he pays to receive a magazine which tells >>> him what the trends will be in the next two years or so. There is no >>> changing his mind about either Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. I have >>> Mazilla Thunderbird because I was curious. >>> I am also learning to use the iPhone. When I was at the NFB National >>> convention, my cousin who lives in Florida gave me her iPhone 4, she has >>> an iPhone 5, but, her iPhone is perfect for learning. >>> My iPhone is not connected to AT&T, but with WI-FI I can use it and get on >>> the Internet etc. without paying for data. I guess you could say I am >>> treating the iPhone like an iPad. >>> At the moment, I don't know if I will become proficient in typing on the >>> iPhone, or whether I will have to get a keyboard. I am still learning and >>> can't decide. It is too soon for me. >>> Frida >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From tyler at tysdomain.com Fri Sep 13 14:43:22 2013 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 10:43:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> <00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> <523311B2.9010404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5233248A.7060708@tysdomain.com> It says it on the main page. ALso on the main page it says something about permanent html view or something. I forget what it said exactly. On 9/13/2013 10:23 AM, minh ha wrote: > Not sure where you were looking, but the basic html option is still > readily accessible. I had to change it the other day. If you go to > settings, there'll be a link that says something like, "switch to html > view." > > HTH, > Minh > > On 9/13/13, Josh Gregory wrote: >> I've been silent on this thread, but it doesn't look like they have the >> basic HTML interface anymore, at least not obviously accessible. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Frida Aizenman wrote: >> >>> On 9/12/2013 9:03 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! >>>> I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! >>>> Internet Explorer's the way to go! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett >>>> [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >>>> >>>> Frida, >>>> It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. >>>> Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have >>>> windows live mail on the pc. >>>> This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other free >>>> email >>>> clients you may be able to install. >>>> Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook >>>> with >>>> them. >>>> >>>> If your computer guy said you cannot >>>> save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you >>>> can >>>> do. >>>> An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the basic >>>> html >>>> feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Frida Aizenman >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >>>> >>>> On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >>>>> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: >>>>> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of >>>>> Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail >>>>> >>>>> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is >>>>> the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, >>>>> My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The >>>>> program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord >>>>> document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with >>>>> Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla >>>>> Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you >>>>> like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, >>>>> I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I >>>>> digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He >>>>> seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not >>>>> be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at >>>>> Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician >>>>> says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will >>>>> see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need >>>>> an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone >>>>> says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>>>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>>>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >>>> I >>>> have Office 7. >>>> James came this afternoon to help. >>>> With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless >>>> you copy and paste into another Word document. >>>> James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and >>>> according to him, that is what is coming. >>>> The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs >>>> to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with >>>> Office 7. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >>> Ashley, >>> I use the web gmail interface, and use the basic html feature, but I don't >>> seem to be able to attach files. Maybe I don't happen to know how to do >>> that. >>> Joshua, I have Internet Explorer >>> Besides my new Windows 7 Toshiba laptop, I have my old XP Desktop with >>> Outlook Express. It has fan problems, but only the upper fan which is not >>> bad and can function without trouble, but, as you know, if the computer >>> goes so will Outlook Express. For now I can use it. >>> On my laptop, I decided to have Microsoft Office 7. >>> James, my technician said that he pays to receive a magazine which tells >>> him what the trends will be in the next two years or so. There is no >>> changing his mind about either Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. I have >>> Mazilla Thunderbird because I was curious. >>> I am also learning to use the iPhone. When I was at the NFB National >>> convention, my cousin who lives in Florida gave me her iPhone 4, she has >>> an iPhone 5, but, her iPhone is perfect for learning. >>> My iPhone is not connected to AT&T, but with WI-FI I can use it and get on >>> the Internet etc. without paying for data. I guess you could say I am >>> treating the iPhone like an iPad. >>> At the moment, I don't know if I will become proficient in typing on the >>> iPhone, or whether I will have to get a keyboard. I am still learning and >>> can't decide. It is too soon for me. >>> Frida >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. From nfbfrida at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 18:58:36 2013 From: nfbfrida at gmail.com (Frida Aizenman) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:58:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <724D7808A84F4E118AF739CFDCE33655@OwnerPC> References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com><00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com><5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com>, <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> <523311B2.9010404@gmail.com> <724D7808A84F4E118AF739CFDCE33655@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <5233605C.8080009@gmail.com> My NFB chapter vice president advised me to do Control Plus Home. It looks like the problem is solved.On 9/13/2013 6:44 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Frida > FYI, your messages appear at the bottom. Try to fix this so we can > read your messages better. > > -----Original Message----- From: Frida Aizenman > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail > > On 9/12/2013 9:03 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! >> I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! >> Internet Explorer's the way to go! >> Blessings, Joshua >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett >> [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >> >> Frida, >> It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. >> Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have >> windows live mail on the pc. >> This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other >> free email >> clients you may be able to install. >> Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook >> with >> them. >> >> If your computer guy said you cannot >> save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you >> can >> do. >> An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the >> basic html >> feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frida Aizenman >> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >> >> On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >>> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: >>> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of >>> Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail >>> >>> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is >>> the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, >>> My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The >>> program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord >>> document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with >>> Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla >>> Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you >>> like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, >>> I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I >>> digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He >>> seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not >>> be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at >>> Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician >>> says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will >>> see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need >>> an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone >>> says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> >>> >> .com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >>> >> I >> have Office 7. >> James came this afternoon to help. >> With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless >> you copy and paste into another Word document. >> James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and >> according to him, that is what is coming. >> The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs >> to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with >> Office 7. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com > Ashley, > I use the web gmail interface, and use the basic html feature, but I > don't seem to be able to attach files. Maybe I don't happen to know how > to do that. > Joshua, I have Internet Explorer > Besides my new Windows 7 Toshiba laptop, I have my old XP Desktop with > Outlook Express. It has fan problems, but only the upper fan which is > not bad and can function without trouble, but, as you know, if the > computer goes so will Outlook Express. For now I can use it. > On my laptop, I decided to have Microsoft Office 7. > James, my technician said that he pays to receive a magazine which tells > him what the trends will be in the next two years or so. There is no > changing his mind about either Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. I have > Mazilla Thunderbird because I was curious. > I am also learning to use the iPhone. When I was at the NFB National > convention, my cousin who lives in Florida gave me her iPhone 4, she has > an iPhone 5, but, her iPhone is perfect for learning. > My iPhone is not connected to AT&T, but with WI-FI I can use it and get > on the Internet etc. without paying for data. I guess you could say I am > treating the iPhone like an iPad. > At the moment, I don't know if I will become proficient in typing on the > iPhone, or whether I will have to get a keyboard. I am still learning > and can't decide. It is too soon for me. > Frida > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 19:33:40 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 15:33:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <5233605C.8080009@gmail.com> References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> <00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> <523311B2.9010404@gmail.com> <724D7808A84F4E118AF739CFDCE33655@OwnerPC> <5233605C.8080009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <-1937549254332542883@unknownmsgid> They're coming through at the top of the message now. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Frida Aizenman wrote: > My NFB chapter vice president advised me to do Control Plus Home. It looks like the problem is solved.On 9/13/2013 6:44 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Frida >> FYI, your messages appear at the bottom. Try to fix this so we can read your messages better. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Frida Aizenman >> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:22 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >> >> On 9/12/2013 9:03 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! >>> I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! >>> Internet Explorer's the way to go! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >>> >>> Frida, >>> It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. >>> Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have >>> windows live mail on the pc. >>> This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other free email >>> clients you may be able to install. >>> Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook with >>> them. >>> >>> If your computer guy said you cannot >>> save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you can >>> do. >>> An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the basic html >>> feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. >>> >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Frida Aizenman >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >>> >>> On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >>>> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: >>>> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of >>>> Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail >>>> >>>> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is >>>> the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, >>>> My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The >>>> program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord >>>> document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with >>>> Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla >>>> Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you >>>> like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, >>>> I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I >>>> digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He >>>> seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not >>>> be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at >>>> Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician >>>> says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will >>>> see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need >>>> an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone >>>> says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >>> I >>> have Office 7. >>> James came this afternoon to help. >>> With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless >>> you copy and paste into another Word document. >>> James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and >>> according to him, that is what is coming. >>> The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs >>> to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with >>> Office 7. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >> Ashley, >> I use the web gmail interface, and use the basic html feature, but I >> don't seem to be able to attach files. Maybe I don't happen to know how >> to do that. >> Joshua, I have Internet Explorer >> Besides my new Windows 7 Toshiba laptop, I have my old XP Desktop with >> Outlook Express. It has fan problems, but only the upper fan which is >> not bad and can function without trouble, but, as you know, if the >> computer goes so will Outlook Express. For now I can use it. >> On my laptop, I decided to have Microsoft Office 7. >> James, my technician said that he pays to receive a magazine which tells >> him what the trends will be in the next two years or so. There is no >> changing his mind about either Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. I have >> Mazilla Thunderbird because I was curious. >> I am also learning to use the iPhone. When I was at the NFB National >> convention, my cousin who lives in Florida gave me her iPhone 4, she has >> an iPhone 5, but, her iPhone is perfect for learning. >> My iPhone is not connected to AT&T, but with WI-FI I can use it and get >> on the Internet etc. without paying for data. I guess you could say I am >> treating the iPhone like an iPad. >> At the moment, I don't know if I will become proficient in typing on the >> iPhone, or whether I will have to get a keyboard. I am still learning >> and can't decide. It is too soon for me. >> Frida >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From nfbfrida at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 19:38:48 2013 From: nfbfrida at gmail.com (Frida Aizenman) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:38:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail In-Reply-To: <-1937549254332542883@unknownmsgid> References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com> <00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com> <5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com> <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC> <523311B2.9010404@gmail.com> <724D7808A84F4E118AF739CFDCE33655@OwnerPC> <5233605C.8080009@gmail.com> <-1937549254332542883@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <523369C8.7040502@gmail.com> Oh good!On 9/13/2013 12:33 PM, christopher nusbaum wrote: > They're coming through at the top of the message now. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 13, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Frida Aizenman wrote: > >> My NFB chapter vice president advised me to do Control Plus Home. It looks like the problem is solved.On 9/13/2013 6:44 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Frida >>> FYI, your messages appear at the bottom. Try to fix this so we can read your messages better. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Frida Aizenman >>> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:22 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >>> >>> On 9/12/2013 9:03 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! >>>> I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! >>>> Internet Explorer's the way to go! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >>>> >>>> Frida, >>>> It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. >>>> Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have >>>> windows live mail on the pc. >>>> This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other free email >>>> clients you may be able to install. >>>> Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook with >>>> them. >>>> >>>> If your computer guy said you cannot >>>> save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you can >>>> do. >>>> An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the basic html >>>> feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Frida Aizenman >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail >>>> >>>> On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: >>>>> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: >>>>> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of >>>>> Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail >>>>> >>>>> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is >>>>> the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, >>>>> My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The >>>>> program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord >>>>> document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with >>>>> Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla >>>>> Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you >>>>> like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, >>>>> I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I >>>>> digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He >>>>> seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not >>>>> be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at >>>>> Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician >>>>> says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will >>>>> see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need >>>>> an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone >>>>> says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>>>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >>>>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >>>> I >>>> have Office 7. >>>> James came this afternoon to help. >>>> With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless >>>> you copy and paste into another Word document. >>>> James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and >>>> according to him, that is what is coming. >>>> The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs >>>> to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with >>>> Office 7. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >>> Ashley, >>> I use the web gmail interface, and use the basic html feature, but I >>> don't seem to be able to attach files. Maybe I don't happen to know how >>> to do that. >>> Joshua, I have Internet Explorer >>> Besides my new Windows 7 Toshiba laptop, I have my old XP Desktop with >>> Outlook Express. It has fan problems, but only the upper fan which is >>> not bad and can function without trouble, but, as you know, if the >>> computer goes so will Outlook Express. For now I can use it. >>> On my laptop, I decided to have Microsoft Office 7. >>> James, my technician said that he pays to receive a magazine which tells >>> him what the trends will be in the next two years or so. There is no >>> changing his mind about either Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. I have >>> Mazilla Thunderbird because I was curious. >>> I am also learning to use the iPhone. When I was at the NFB National >>> convention, my cousin who lives in Florida gave me her iPhone 4, she has >>> an iPhone 5, but, her iPhone is perfect for learning. >>> My iPhone is not connected to AT&T, but with WI-FI I can use it and get >>> on the Internet etc. without paying for data. I guess you could say I am >>> treating the iPhone like an iPad. >>> At the moment, I don't know if I will become proficient in typing on the >>> iPhone, or whether I will have to get a keyboard. I am still learning >>> and can't decide. It is too soon for me. >>> Frida >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Fri Sep 13 19:49:52 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 12:49:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] speech-language pathology or special ed In-Reply-To: <52324798.2133ec0a.5ce6.ffffddb6@mx.google.com> References: <52324798.2133ec0a.5ce6.ffffddb6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130913124042.0565aa90@comcast.net> Good afternoon, Kelsey, and other interesteds, From what you have learned of a potential speech language pathology direction, does it seem that you can do the job? Now, I'm not talking' that shit about "as well or better than ol' Sighty." You gotta make your strategies related to working in the field of speech language pathology, your own. Don't worry about anyone's standards or, the way they think it should be. You don't need that.unless it will help you feel motivated if not entirely comfortable. I am thinking about getting a masters degree in speech-language pathology. However, I was talking to my former second grade teacher yesterday about it. She said that she doesn't think I would be successful with this because of the high degree of visual tasks such as being able to see how someone is moving their mouth during speech or things like that. I indicated that I could maybe do it by feel, but she still feels that this would be too visual. This came from having talked to the speech therapist at the elementary school. On the other hand, I have also considered the special education field. I have been tutoring two students in Braille since June and really enjoy it. My sister thinks that I'd make a good Braille teacher. So I am wondering which field would be better suited for a totally blind student. I want to make sure my money is being well spent. >In other words, I don't want to go through the speech-language >pathology program only to find out that I cannot do it. Any >opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. >Thanks in advance, >Kelsey Nicolay > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 23:30:52 2013 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 16:30:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Tagging people on Facebook Message-ID: <5233A02C.5000201@gmail.com> Hello, I am trying to tag my event for my student club and tag the presenters and performers that are going to be at my event on facebook but can't figure out how. I've tried: @person's name @"person's name @(person's name) @person'sName @*person's name* @* But nothing seems to bring up a menu or tags. I'm using the latest firefox and the latest NVDA. Thanks, -- Brandon Keith Biggs From annajee82 at gmail.com Fri Sep 13 23:44:58 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 18:44:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tagging people on Facebook In-Reply-To: <5233A02C.5000201@gmail.com> References: <5233A02C.5000201@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9BBA92A9-8BF4-4AF6-B32C-1F8153237C1B@gmail.com> It is @name. Looks like the first thing you did should have worked. Just the @ sign and the name right after it. I just did it, it works. Anna E Givens On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > I am trying to tag my event for my student club and tag the presenters and performers that are going to be at my event on facebook but can't figure out how. > I've tried: > @person's name > @"person's name > @(person's name) > @person'sName > @*person's name* > @* > > But nothing seems to bring up a menu or tags. > I'm using the latest firefox and the latest NVDA. > Thanks, > > -- > Brandon Keith Biggs > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 00:04:45 2013 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 17:04:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Tagging people on Facebook In-Reply-To: <9BBA92A9-8BF4-4AF6-B32C-1F8153237C1B@gmail.com> References: <5233A02C.5000201@gmail.com> <9BBA92A9-8BF4-4AF6-B32C-1F8153237C1B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5233A81D.1010802@gmail.com> Hello, Is there any way to test that it works before you post? Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs On 9/13/2013 4:44 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > It is @name. Looks like the first thing you did should have worked. > Just the @ sign and the name right after it. I just did it, it works. > > Anna E Givens > > On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > >> Hello, >> I am trying to tag my event for my student club and tag the presenters and performers that are going to be at my event on facebook but can't figure out how. >> I've tried: >> @person's name >> @"person's name >> @(person's name) >> @person'sName >> @*person's name* >> @* >> >> But nothing seems to bring up a menu or tags. >> I'm using the latest firefox and the latest NVDA. >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 00:25:17 2013 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 17:25:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Tagging people on Facebook In-Reply-To: <5233A81D.1010802@gmail.com> References: <5233A02C.5000201@gmail.com> <9BBA92A9-8BF4-4AF6-B32C-1F8153237C1B@gmail.com> <5233A81D.1010802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5233ACED.10806@gmail.com> Hello, I just posted on someone's status doing: @Person Name @person name @person and nothing worked. Are you sure @Person Name is all you type? I also tried without punctuation as names often have punctuation after them. Thank you @Person Name I'm also on the mobal site, does that make a difference? Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs On 9/13/2013 5:04 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > Is there any way to test that it works before you post? > > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > > On 9/13/2013 4:44 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >> It is @name. Looks like the first thing you did should have worked. >> Just the @ sign and the name right after it. I just did it, it works. >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I am trying to tag my event for my student club and tag the >>> presenters and performers that are going to be at my event on >>> facebook but can't figure out how. >>> I've tried: >>> @person's name >>> @"person's name >>> @(person's name) >>> @person'sName >>> @*person's name* >>> @* >>> >>> But nothing seems to bring up a menu or tags. >>> I'm using the latest firefox and the latest NVDA. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -- >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> > From tyler at tysdomain.com Sat Sep 14 00:30:47 2013 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 20:30:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tagging people on Facebook In-Reply-To: <5233ACED.10806@gmail.com> References: <5233A02C.5000201@gmail.com> <9BBA92A9-8BF4-4AF6-B32C-1F8153237C1B@gmail.com> <5233A81D.1010802@gmail.com> <5233ACED.10806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5233AE37.3030904@tysdomain.com> doesn't work on mobile On 9/13/2013 8:25 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > I just posted on someone's status doing: > @Person Name > @person name > @person > and nothing worked. Are you sure @Person Name is all you type? I also > tried without punctuation as names often have punctuation after them. > Thank you @Person Name > I'm also on the mobal site, does that make a difference? > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > > On 9/13/2013 5:04 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> Is there any way to test that it works before you post? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> >> On 9/13/2013 4:44 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >>> It is @name. Looks like the first thing you did should have worked. >>> Just the @ sign and the name right after it. I just did it, it works. >>> >>> Anna E Givens >>> >>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> I am trying to tag my event for my student club and tag the >>>> presenters and performers that are going to be at my event on >>>> facebook but can't figure out how. >>>> I've tried: >>>> @person's name >>>> @"person's name >>>> @(person's name) >>>> @person'sName >>>> @*person's name* >>>> @* >>>> >>>> But nothing seems to bring up a menu or tags. >>>> I'm using the latest firefox and the latest NVDA. >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 00:41:59 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 20:41:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tagging people on Facebook In-Reply-To: <5233AE37.3030904@tysdomain.com> References: <5233A02C.5000201@gmail.com> <9BBA92A9-8BF4-4AF6-B32C-1F8153237C1B@gmail.com> <5233A81D.1010802@gmail.com> <5233ACED.10806@gmail.com> <5233AE37.3030904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: The @ thing doesn't work on the mobile site, but you can still tag friends, just not right in the status. If you go to the link that says "more options" right underneath the post button, there should be a link that says tag friends. In there you can search for a friend, event, whatever and tag them. The people tagged will just appear at the end of the status as - with x y z. On 9/13/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > doesn't work on mobile > On 9/13/2013 8:25 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> I just posted on someone's status doing: >> @Person Name >> @person name >> @person >> and nothing worked. Are you sure @Person Name is all you type? I also >> tried without punctuation as names often have punctuation after them. >> Thank you @Person Name >> I'm also on the mobal site, does that make a difference? >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> >> On 9/13/2013 5:04 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>> Hello, >>> Is there any way to test that it works before you post? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> >>> On 9/13/2013 4:44 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >>>> It is @name. Looks like the first thing you did should have worked. >>>> Just the @ sign and the name right after it. I just did it, it works. >>>> >>>> Anna E Givens >>>> >>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> I am trying to tag my event for my student club and tag the >>>>> presenters and performers that are going to be at my event on >>>>> facebook but can't figure out how. >>>>> I've tried: >>>>> @person's name >>>>> @"person's name >>>>> @(person's name) >>>>> @person'sName >>>>> @*person's name* >>>>> @* >>>>> >>>>> But nothing seems to bring up a menu or tags. >>>>> I'm using the latest firefox and the latest NVDA. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that > dares not reason is a slave. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Sat Sep 14 00:47:02 2013 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 17:47:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Tagging people on Facebook Message-ID: Thanks for this information, Minh! Do you (or does anyone) know if this works on the BrailleNote as well? Lucy > ----- Original Message ----- >From: minh ha To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 20:41:59 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Tagging people on Facebook >The @ thing doesn't work on the mobile site, but you can still tag >friends, just not right in the status. If you go to the link that says >"more options" right underneath the post button, there should be a >link that says tag friends. In there you can search for a friend, >event, whatever and tag them. The people tagged will just appear at >the end of the status as - with x y z. >On 9/13/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >> doesn't work on mobile >> On 9/13/2013 8:25 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I just posted on someone's status doing: >>> @Person Name >>> @person name >>> @person >>> and nothing worked. Are you sure @Person Name is all you type? I also >>> tried without punctuation as names often have punctuation after them. >>> Thank you @Person Name >>> I'm also on the mobal site, does that make a difference? >>> Thanks, >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> On 9/13/2013 5:04 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> Is there any way to test that it works before you post? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> On 9/13/2013 4:44 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >>>>> It is @name. Looks like the first thing you did should have worked. >>>>> Just the @ sign and the name right after it. I just did it, it works. >>>>> Anna E Givens >>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> I am trying to tag my event for my student club and tag the >>>>>> presenters and performers that are going to be at my event on >>>>>> facebook but can't figure out how. >>>>>> I've tried: >>>>>> @person's name >>>>>> @"person's name >>>>>> @(person's name) >>>>>> @person'sName >>>>>> @*person's name* >>>>>> @* >>>>>> But nothing seems to bring up a menu or tags. >>>>>> I'm using the latest firefox and the latest NVDA. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40g mail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithb iggs%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdo main.com >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that >> dares not reason is a slave. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40 gmail.com >-- >"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40earthlink.net From annajee82 at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 01:07:42 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 20:07:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tagging people on Facebook In-Reply-To: <5233AE37.3030904@tysdomain.com> References: <5233A02C.5000201@gmail.com> <9BBA92A9-8BF4-4AF6-B32C-1F8153237C1B@gmail.com> <5233A81D.1010802@gmail.com> <5233ACED.10806@gmail.com> <5233AE37.3030904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <0C057DB8-F0EA-451E-B004-D162E07F948F@gmail.com> Im confused. I just did it using the facebook app on my phone. Isn't that mobile? It worked there! Anna E Givens On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:30 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote: > doesn't work on mobile > On 9/13/2013 8:25 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >> Hello, >> I just posted on someone's status doing: >> @Person Name >> @person name >> @person >> and nothing worked. Are you sure @Person Name is all you type? I also tried without punctuation as names often have punctuation after them. >> Thank you @Person Name >> I'm also on the mobal site, does that make a difference? >> Thanks, >> >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> >> On 9/13/2013 5:04 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>> Hello, >>> Is there any way to test that it works before you post? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> >>> On 9/13/2013 4:44 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >>>> It is @name. Looks like the first thing you did should have worked. >>>> Just the @ sign and the name right after it. I just did it, it works. >>>> >>>> Anna E Givens >>>> >>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> I am trying to tag my event for my student club and tag the presenters and performers that are going to be at my event on facebook but can't figure out how. >>>>> I've tried: >>>>> @person's name >>>>> @"person's name >>>>> @(person's name) >>>>> @person'sName >>>>> @*person's name* >>>>> @* >>>>> >>>>> But nothing seems to bring up a menu or tags. >>>>> I'm using the latest firefox and the latest NVDA. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 01:25:02 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 20:25:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tagging people on Facebook In-Reply-To: References: <5233A02C.5000201@gmail.com> <9BBA92A9-8BF4-4AF6-B32C-1F8153237C1B@gmail.com> <5233A81D.1010802@gmail.com> <5233ACED.10806@gmail.com> <5233AE37.3030904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <946993C7-2EDB-4D37-A3F4-A6C860B2E98B@gmail.com> No those are two different things. You can tag people by typing @name, a list will come up of friends to choose from as you type. It may not say that a list popped up but it is there, right underneath where you are typing. Actually you can just start typing, you don't even have to use @ sign. The button on the bottom of the post that says "choose friends", or "tag friends" is different. That is to tag who you are with, at the end of your post. But if you just want to insert someone's name in the post, it does work, I just did it on the mobile site. Anna E Givens On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:41 PM, minh ha wrote: > The @ thing doesn't work on the mobile site, but you can still tag > friends, just not right in the status. If you go to the link that says > "more options" right underneath the post button, there should be a > link that says tag friends. In there you can search for a friend, > event, whatever and tag them. The people tagged will just appear at > the end of the status as - with x y z. > > On 9/13/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >> doesn't work on mobile >> On 9/13/2013 8:25 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I just posted on someone's status doing: >>> @Person Name >>> @person name >>> @person >>> and nothing worked. Are you sure @Person Name is all you type? I also >>> tried without punctuation as names often have punctuation after them. >>> Thank you @Person Name >>> I'm also on the mobal site, does that make a difference? >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> >>> On 9/13/2013 5:04 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> Is there any way to test that it works before you post? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> >>>> On 9/13/2013 4:44 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >>>>> It is @name. Looks like the first thing you did should have worked. >>>>> Just the @ sign and the name right after it. I just did it, it works. >>>>> >>>>> Anna E Givens >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> I am trying to tag my event for my student club and tag the >>>>>> presenters and performers that are going to be at my event on >>>>>> facebook but can't figure out how. >>>>>> I've tried: >>>>>> @person's name >>>>>> @"person's name >>>>>> @(person's name) >>>>>> @person'sName >>>>>> @*person's name* >>>>>> @* >>>>>> >>>>>> But nothing seems to bring up a menu or tags. >>>>>> I'm using the latest firefox and the latest NVDA. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >> >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that >> dares not reason is a slave. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 03:13:07 2013 From: juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com (Juanita Herrera) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 20:13:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Tagging people on Facebook In-Reply-To: <0C057DB8-F0EA-451E-B004-D162E07F948F@gmail.com> References: <5233A02C.5000201@gmail.com> <9BBA92A9-8BF4-4AF6-B32C-1F8153237C1B@gmail.com> <5233A81D.1010802@gmail.com> <5233ACED.10806@gmail.com> <5233AE37.3030904@tysdomain.com> <0C057DB8-F0EA-451E-B004-D162E07F948F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <67D95F49-F83E-4847-96AE-A1F1D63511C8@gmail.com> Okay, so the way that it works is that you type the @ sign and then the person's name. As you start typing the person's name a list of friends will begin to show up if their name begins with the same letters. Once that list begins to show up you select the name you want. This only works on the Facebook app or on the regular Facebook site. It does not work on the mobile Facebook page which would be M.Facebook.com Juanita Herrera Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > Im confused. I just did it using the facebook app on my phone. Isn't that mobile? > It worked there! > > Anna E Givens > > On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:30 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote: > >> doesn't work on mobile >> On 9/13/2013 8:25 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I just posted on someone's status doing: >>> @Person Name >>> @person name >>> @person >>> and nothing worked. Are you sure @Person Name is all you type? I also tried without punctuation as names often have punctuation after them. >>> Thank you @Person Name >>> I'm also on the mobal site, does that make a difference? >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> >>> On 9/13/2013 5:04 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> Is there any way to test that it works before you post? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> >>>> On 9/13/2013 4:44 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >>>>> It is @name. Looks like the first thing you did should have worked. >>>>> Just the @ sign and the name right after it. I just did it, it works. >>>>> >>>>> Anna E Givens >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> I am trying to tag my event for my student club and tag the presenters and performers that are going to be at my event on facebook but can't figure out how. >>>>>> I've tried: >>>>>> @person's name >>>>>> @"person's name >>>>>> @(person's name) >>>>>> @person'sName >>>>>> @*person's name* >>>>>> @* >>>>>> >>>>>> But nothing seems to bring up a menu or tags. >>>>>> I'm using the latest firefox and the latest NVDA. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >> >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitaherrera1991%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 04:28:03 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 23:28:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tagging people on Facebook In-Reply-To: <67D95F49-F83E-4847-96AE-A1F1D63511C8@gmail.com> References: <5233A02C.5000201@gmail.com> <9BBA92A9-8BF4-4AF6-B32C-1F8153237C1B@gmail.com> <5233A81D.1010802@gmail.com> <5233ACED.10806@gmail.com> <5233AE37.3030904@tysdomain.com> <0C057DB8-F0EA-451E-B004-D162E07F948F@gmail.com> <67D95F49-F83E-4847-96AE-A1F1D63511C8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <88153282-94F0-478E-B541-8C53231FD0B4@gmail.com> No I swear it works on the mobile site too. At least for me it does...... Anna E Givens On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:13 PM, Juanita Herrera wrote: > Okay, so the way that it works is that you type the @ sign and then the person's name. As you start typing the person's name a list of friends will begin to show up if their name begins with the same letters. Once that list begins to show up you select the name you want. This only works on the Facebook app or on the regular Facebook site. It does not work on the mobile Facebook page which would be M.Facebook.com > Juanita Herrera > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > >> Im confused. I just did it using the facebook app on my phone. Isn't that mobile? >> It worked there! >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:30 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote: >> >>> doesn't work on mobile >>> On 9/13/2013 8:25 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> I just posted on someone's status doing: >>>> @Person Name >>>> @person name >>>> @person >>>> and nothing worked. Are you sure @Person Name is all you type? I also tried without punctuation as names often have punctuation after them. >>>> Thank you @Person Name >>>> I'm also on the mobal site, does that make a difference? >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>> >>>> On 9/13/2013 5:04 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> Is there any way to test that it works before you post? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>> >>>>> On 9/13/2013 4:44 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >>>>>> It is @name. Looks like the first thing you did should have worked. >>>>>> Just the @ sign and the name right after it. I just did it, it works. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anna E Givens >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> I am trying to tag my event for my student club and tag the presenters and performers that are going to be at my event on facebook but can't figure out how. >>>>>>> I've tried: >>>>>>> @person's name >>>>>>> @"person's name >>>>>>> @(person's name) >>>>>>> @person'sName >>>>>>> @*person's name* >>>>>>> @* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But nothing seems to bring up a menu or tags. >>>>>>> I'm using the latest firefox and the latest NVDA. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Take care, >>> Ty >>> http://tds-solutions.net >>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitaherrera1991%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From i.c.bray at win.net Sat Sep 14 05:47:21 2013 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 01:47:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail References: <52309E85.4080202@gmail.com><00cf01ceaf11$399e3ee0$acdabca0$@gmail.com><5230F38C.6060604@gmail.com>, <698198E4F62C4ED98018C46BCE727162@OwnerPC><523311B2.9010404@gmail.com><724D7808A84F4E118AF739CFDCE33655@OwnerPC> <523318FF.707@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <9950BF9B038E42DFA83A362A293C24E9@JAWS> OMG!! ROFLMAO!! NICE! IE is mediocre at best. Every browser has it's good points & bad points... it just stinks that IE has more of the latter, and fewer of the former. Since we are creatures of habbit, it mainly is dependant upon what we get used to... LOL!! For all browsers, there is a niche. I use IE ONLY because it's there, usually works fine for me, and I know it's particular inadequacies quite well... It's "The Devil I Know"... [*sigh*]. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Littlefield, Tyler" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail : Josh: : Your message shows your usual since of overwhelming intellect. : First, there's nothing wrong with Firefox or Thunderbird. I particularly : like being able to install plugins like noscript/etc. Also IE has a : pretty bad trackrecord for security issues. Firefox hit a bad point : recently, but they're putting a lot of work in. : Second, thunderbird is probably one of the best free email clients for : windows out there. It's a lot easier than using outhouse for sure and : again there are useful plugins like lightning for example. : : On 9/13/2013 9:44 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: : > Frida : > FYI, your messages appear at the bottom. Try to fix this so we can : > read your messages better. : > : > -----Original Message----- From: Frida Aizenman : > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:22 AM : > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list : > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail : > : > On 9/12/2013 9:03 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: : >> Mozilla's lame no matter what version you use! : >> I hate Firefox with a passion, so Thunderbird won't be any better! : >> Internet Explorer's the way to go! : >> Blessings, Joshua : >> ________________________________________ : >> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett : >> [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] : >> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:57 PM : >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list : >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail : >> : >> Frida, : >> It sounds like thunderbird has some limitations then. : >> Can you get another email client? If you have windows 7, you should have : >> windows live mail on the pc. : >> This may work better with attachments. I think there's also other : >> free email : >> clients you may be able to install. : >> Outlook is a good idea, but I know not all Office suites have outlook : >> with : >> them. : >> : >> If your computer guy said you cannot : >> save word documents with your email client, I don't see what else you : >> can : >> do. : >> An option might be to use the web gmail interface. Simply use the : >> basic html : >> feature and it should be accessible including attaching files. : >> : >> Ashley : >> -----Original Message----- : >> From: Frida Aizenman : >> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 6:49 PM : >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list : >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail : >> : >> On 9/11/2013 10:06 AM, justin williams wrote: : >>> he's wrong; I have it on my computer. It is a part of office 2013. : >>> : >>> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l : >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Frida Aizenman Sent: : >>> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 12:47 PM To: National Association of : >>> Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail : >>> : >>> The information you gave below is correct so far as it goes. Here is : >>> the rest of the story! I am going to similar problems. For starters, : >>> My computer technician instal Mazilla Thunderbird on my laptop. The : >>> program will not let me save Word documents. If I want to continuord : >>> document. block quote end Otherwise, I was doing really well with : >>> Mazilla Thunderbird till I messed up the settings. Mazilla : >>> Thunderbird always wants to take you back where you were whether you : >>> like it or not. That is called, Intuitive computing. In other words, : >>> I say that it wants to think for me whether I like it or not. But, I : >>> digress. My technician is coming back today to help with Mazilla. He : >>> seems to believe that Outlook will be going away and people will not : >>> be able to read their emails anymore with Outlook. Yet, Someone at : >>> Freedom Scientific said that Outlook 13 just came out. My technician : >>> says that in his extensive research there is no Outlook 2013. I will : >>> see that happens this afternoon. Eitherway, with gmail you will need : >>> an email client like Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. When someone : >>> says, the new and improved, I run! LOL. : >>> : >>> : >>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list : >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org : >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, : >>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: : >>> : >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail : >> : >>> : >> .com : >>> : >>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list : >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org : >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, : >>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: : >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com : >>> : >> I : >> have Office 7. : >> James came this afternoon to help. : >> With Mazilla Thunderbird. you are not able to save Word documents unless : >> you copy and paste into another Word document. : >> James says he pays to receive a magazine with the latest news, and : >> according to him, that is what is coming. : >> The important thing here is that the person who asked about gmails needs : >> to get an email client. You say Outlook, I have Mazilla Thunderbird with : >> Office 7. : >> : >> _______________________________________________ : >> nabs-l mailing list : >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org : >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for : >> nabs-l: : >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net : >> : >> : >> : >> _______________________________________________ : >> nabs-l mailing list : >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org : >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for : >> nabs-l: : >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com : >> : >> : >> : >> : >> _______________________________________________ : >> nabs-l mailing list : >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org : >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for : >> nabs-l: : >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com : > Ashley, : > I use the web gmail interface, and use the basic html feature, but I : > don't seem to be able to attach files. Maybe I don't happen to know how : > to do that. : > Joshua, I have Internet Explorer : > Besides my new Windows 7 Toshiba laptop, I have my old XP Desktop with : > Outlook Express. It has fan problems, but only the upper fan which is : > not bad and can function without trouble, but, as you know, if the : > computer goes so will Outlook Express. For now I can use it. : > On my laptop, I decided to have Microsoft Office 7. : > James, my technician said that he pays to receive a magazine which tells : > him what the trends will be in the next two years or so. There is no : > changing his mind about either Outlook or Mazilla Thunderbird. I have : > Mazilla Thunderbird because I was curious. : > I am also learning to use the iPhone. When I was at the NFB National : > convention, my cousin who lives in Florida gave me her iPhone 4, she has : > an iPhone 5, but, her iPhone is perfect for learning. : > My iPhone is not connected to AT&T, but with WI-FI I can use it and get : > on the Internet etc. without paying for data. I guess you could say I am : > treating the iPhone like an iPad. : > At the moment, I don't know if I will become proficient in typing on the : > iPhone, or whether I will have to get a keyboard. I am still learning : > and can't decide. It is too soon for me. : > Frida : > : > : > : > _______________________________________________ : > nabs-l mailing list : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for : > nabs-l: : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net : > : > : > _______________________________________________ : > nabs-l mailing list : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for : > nabs-l: : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com : : : -- : Take care, : Ty : http://tds-solutions.net : He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. : : : _______________________________________________ : nabs-l mailing list : nabs-l at nfbnet.org : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 09:59:53 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 05:59:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tagging people on Facebook In-Reply-To: <88153282-94F0-478E-B541-8C53231FD0B4@gmail.com> References: <5233A02C.5000201@gmail.com> <9BBA92A9-8BF4-4AF6-B32C-1F8153237C1B@gmail.com> <5233A81D.1010802@gmail.com> <5233ACED.10806@gmail.com> <5233AE37.3030904@tysdomain.com> <0C057DB8-F0EA-451E-B004-D162E07F948F@gmail.com> <67D95F49-F83E-4847-96AE-A1F1D63511C8@gmail.com> <88153282-94F0-478E-B541-8C53231FD0B4@gmail.com> Message-ID: I know it works for the facebook mobile app, but not for m.facebook.com. Are you using a screen reader? On 9/14/13, Anna Givens wrote: > No I swear it works on the mobile site too. At least for me it does...... > > Anna E Givens > > On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:13 PM, Juanita Herrera > wrote: > >> Okay, so the way that it works is that you type the @ sign and then the >> person's name. As you start typing the person's name a list of friends >> will begin to show up if their name begins with the same letters. Once >> that list begins to show up you select the name you want. This only works >> on the Facebook app or on the regular Facebook site. It does not work on >> the mobile Facebook page which would be M.Facebook.com >> Juanita Herrera >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >> >>> Im confused. I just did it using the facebook app on my phone. Isn't >>> that mobile? >>> It worked there! >>> >>> Anna E Givens >>> >>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 7:30 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> doesn't work on mobile >>>> On 9/13/2013 8:25 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> I just posted on someone's status doing: >>>>> @Person Name >>>>> @person name >>>>> @person >>>>> and nothing worked. Are you sure @Person Name is all you type? I also >>>>> tried without punctuation as names often have punctuation after them. >>>>> Thank you @Person Name >>>>> I'm also on the mobal site, does that make a difference? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>> >>>>> On 9/13/2013 5:04 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> Is there any way to test that it works before you post? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/13/2013 4:44 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >>>>>>> It is @name. Looks like the first thing you did should have worked. >>>>>>> Just the @ sign and the name right after it. I just did it, it >>>>>>> works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anna E Givens >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> I am trying to tag my event for my student club and tag the >>>>>>>> presenters and performers that are going to be at my event on >>>>>>>> facebook but can't figure out how. >>>>>>>> I've tried: >>>>>>>> @person's name >>>>>>>> @"person's name >>>>>>>> @(person's name) >>>>>>>> @person'sName >>>>>>>> @*person's name* >>>>>>>> @* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But nothing seems to bring up a menu or tags. >>>>>>>> I'm using the latest firefox and the latest NVDA. >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Take care, >>>> Ty >>>> http://tds-solutions.net >>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >>>> that dares not reason is a slave. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitaherrera1991%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 21:46:11 2013 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 22:46:11 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] speech-language pathology or special ed In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130913124042.0565aa90@comcast.net> References: <52324798.2133ec0a.5ce6.ffffddb6@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130913124042.0565aa90@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hello again Kelsey, Speech Pathology has many different areas in it and some are more visual than others. For example, it would be very difficult to assess the effectiveness of someone's swallow in a laryngoscopy. If a person had had a stroke and could only communicate non-verbally, how would you assess their cognative abilities and their perception of language. There are various medical tasks an SLP has to undertake such as suction if someone has aspirated food. (Some SLPs ask nurces to help with this whether they see or not. It's something you have to feel your way around anyway so sight makes very very little difference). However, helping someone work through stuttering, helping someone to readjust to their face after a cleft pallet operation, teaching people to use their voices again after throat operations such as correcting Sulcus Vocalis... these are far easier for a blind SLP as you have to use your ears more than anything else. If you're doing a Masters in Speech Pathology, you have to consider every area in the field but, once you qualified, you could specialise in certain aspects. Look at a few masters degrees and their book lists. If you've read all the books on a booklist, have spent time shadowing speech pathologists and are still wholeheartedly passionate about Speech Pathology, you have your answer. There's a Speech Pathologist on Career Connect. I remember you asking about an online Speech Pathology degree. This is a spectacularly bad idea! You will need all the hands on experience you can get and doing it in person is the only way to go. I'll echo everyone else when I say that it's important to choose the career path you are most interested in. It's no good going for something because other people recommend it to you as they won't be the ones doing the job for over 40 years. Pick the career path you truly love and persevere. Very best wishes, Sandra. PS I haven't introduced myself to this list yet. (I know Kelsey from another list). I'm Sandra and I'm a Soprano Singer and Broadcast Presenter. I also teach Braille Music. Very best wishes, Sandra. On 9/13/13, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good afternoon, Kelsey, and other interesteds, > > From what you have learned of a potential speech language pathology > direction, does it seem that you can do the job? Now, I'm not > talking' that shit about "as well or better than ol' Sighty." You > gotta make your strategies related to working in the field of speech > language pathology, your own. > Don't worry about anyone's standards or, the way they think it should > be. You don't need that.unless it will help you feel motivated if not > entirely comfortable. I am thinking about getting a masters degree in > speech-language pathology. However, I was talking to my former > second grade teacher yesterday about it. She said that she doesn't > think I would be successful with this because of the high degree of > visual tasks such as being able to see how someone is moving their > mouth during speech or things like that. I indicated that I could > maybe do it by feel, but she still feels that this would be too > visual. This came from having talked to the speech therapist at the > elementary school. On the other hand, I have also considered the > special education field. I have been tutoring two students in > Braille since June and really enjoy it. My sister thinks that I'd > make a good Braille teacher. So I am wondering which field would be > better suited for a totally blind student. I want to make sure my > money is being well spent. >>In other words, I don't want to go through the speech-language >>pathology program only to find out that I cannot do it. Any >>opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. >>Thanks in advance, >>Kelsey Nicolay >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Sep 14 22:50:56 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 16:50:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] speech-language pathology or special ed In-Reply-To: References: <52324798.2133ec0a.5ce6.ffffddb6@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130913124042.0565aa90@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi all, In general, when making career decisions, I think it's important to keep in mind that it's not necessary to be able to do every single aspect of the job independently. Readers and assistants can, if judiciously used, make many jobs fully accessible by assisting with the few aspects of the job that aren't accessible on their own. What is more important is whether you think you have the skills, aptitudes and passions required to do the bulk of the job duties. With speech pathology, it seems quite possible to hire an assistant to help with the occasional swallow check. What's more important is that people go into the profession who care about helping other people and are patient and attentive to details. Most of the time, essential job skills have little to do with blindness and more to do with personal strengths and interests. Best, Arielle On 9/14/13, Sandra Gayer wrote: > Hello again Kelsey, > Speech Pathology has many different areas in it and some are more > visual than others. For example, it would be very difficult to assess > the effectiveness of someone's swallow in a laryngoscopy. If a person > had had a stroke and could only communicate non-verbally, how would > you assess their cognative abilities and their perception of language. > There are various medical tasks an SLP has to undertake such as > suction if someone has aspirated food. (Some SLPs ask nurces to help > with this whether they see or not. It's something you have to feel > your way around anyway so sight makes very very little difference). > However, helping someone work through stuttering, helping someone to > readjust to their face after a cleft pallet operation, teaching > people to use their voices again after throat operations such as > correcting Sulcus Vocalis... these are far easier for a blind SLP as > you have to use your ears more than anything else. If you're doing a > Masters in Speech Pathology, you have to consider every area in the > field but, once you qualified, you could specialise in certain > aspects. Look at a few masters degrees and their book lists. If you've > read all the books on a booklist, have spent time shadowing speech > pathologists and are still wholeheartedly passionate about Speech > Pathology, you have your answer. There's a Speech Pathologist on > Career Connect. I remember you asking about an online Speech Pathology > degree. This is a spectacularly bad idea! You will need all the hands > on experience you can get and doing it in person is the only way to > go. > > I'll echo everyone else when I say that it's important to choose the > career path you are most interested in. It's no good going for > something because other people recommend it to you as they won't be > the ones doing the job for over 40 years. Pick the career path you > truly love and persevere. > > Very best wishes, > Sandra. > > PS I haven't introduced myself to this list yet. (I know Kelsey from > another list). I'm Sandra and I'm a Soprano Singer and Broadcast > Presenter. I also teach Braille Music. > Very best wishes, > Sandra. > > On 9/13/13, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> Good afternoon, Kelsey, and other interesteds, >> >> From what you have learned of a potential speech language pathology >> direction, does it seem that you can do the job? Now, I'm not >> talking' that shit about "as well or better than ol' Sighty." You >> gotta make your strategies related to working in the field of speech >> language pathology, your own. >> Don't worry about anyone's standards or, the way they think it should >> be. You don't need that.unless it will help you feel motivated if not >> entirely comfortable. I am thinking about getting a masters degree in >> speech-language pathology. However, I was talking to my former >> second grade teacher yesterday about it. She said that she doesn't >> think I would be successful with this because of the high degree of >> visual tasks such as being able to see how someone is moving their >> mouth during speech or things like that. I indicated that I could >> maybe do it by feel, but she still feels that this would be too >> visual. This came from having talked to the speech therapist at the >> elementary school. On the other hand, I have also considered the >> special education field. I have been tutoring two students in >> Braille since June and really enjoy it. My sister thinks that I'd >> make a good Braille teacher. So I am wondering which field would be >> better suited for a totally blind student. I want to make sure my >> money is being well spent. >>>In other words, I don't want to go through the speech-language >>>pathology program only to find out that I cannot do it. Any >>>opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. >>>Thanks in advance, >>>Kelsey Nicolay >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Soprano Singer > www.sandragayer.com > > Broadcast Presenter > > www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From robin-melvin at comcast.net Sun Sep 15 15:16:41 2013 From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 08:16:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] MACBook PRO & Learning Ally In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130915081444.046ac2c8@comcast.net> Hey, Is it possible to LISTEN to Learning Ally on a MACBook PRO? Sent From Berkeley,CA From maurice.mines at gmail.com Mon Sep 16 05:17:07 2013 From: maurice.mines at gmail.com (Maurice Mines) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2013 22:17:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] MACBook PRO & Learning Ally In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130915081444.046ac2c8@comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20130915081444.046ac2c8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8A69C473-1B06-44B8-A7D0-EB7412E0A1B9@gmail.com> Yes it is very doable, by using the current incarnation of the learning ally audiobook manager, and the current release of the read current version the read here software. My current MacBook OS version is 10.85. If you have any further questions, please drop me a line off list and I'll be happy to help you, as my time allows. Sincerely Maurice. On Sep 15, 2013, at 8:16 AM, Robin wrote: > Hey, > > Is it possible to LISTEN to Learning Ally on a MACBook PRO? > > Sent From Berkeley,CA > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maurice.mines%40gmail.com From publicity at audioaccess.fm Mon Sep 16 21:10:30 2013 From: publicity at audioaccess.fm (David Dunphy, Audio Access FM's Program Director) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:10:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Major Announcement Concerning The Audio Access FM Birthday Prizes And More On The Djd Invasion Tonight Message-ID: Hi All! Well, it's the eve of our station's birthday finale, and so far, we've had many chances for you to qualify for our grand prize, which is a laptop computer. But station management had a meeting last night, and we've decided to end this birthday literally with a bang! So how do we propose to do this? Well, if you want to know what's going to down, please, join me tonight on The Djd Invasion birthday bash on Audio Access FM, starting at 7 PM eastern for... More chances to qualify for the laptop drawing Chances to play our Press Your Luck game, where the winner will get entered in four, yes, four times, in honor of how many whammies there are in the game Hear some great music Learn about the accessible netflix project And, at 9 PM eastern, a major announcement will be made that will change the birthday qualification playing field significatntly. This announcement will turn this into the biggest giveaway we know of in internet radio history. It will pass anything done for a MushroomFM birthday, and pass most giveaways you've seen in the last ten plus years. And those who may not have wanted to win might change their minds when this announcement goes down. This promises to be amazing, and to set the stage for an electric and very intense finale tomorrow. So this is something you won't want to miss! During the special show, you can contact me Via skype at audioaccess.fm Via telephone at 516 324 2552 Request songs via my special request center at http://www.audioaccess.fm/requests4djd Talk to us on twitter at audioaccessfm or djdrocks And to listen, at any time from 7 PM onward, go to http://www.audioaccess.fm/listen Trust me! You won't want to miss tonight's invasion show or the announcement coming with it! I hope to see you there! >From David Dunphy From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Sep 17 17:08:59 2013 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:08:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Literacy = Drinks on a Beautiful Beech? Message-ID: <038001ceb3c8$9a2721d0$ce756570$@labarrelaw.com> Greetings my Federation Friends: All of us on this list have a multitude of reasons to be thankful to the NFB. For me, The Federation has played a major role in allowing me to become a successful attorney and otherwise lead a full and enriching life. Please join me in supporting the Federation by participating in the NFB of Colorado's Amazing Vacation Travel Raffle. It's easy to do. What can you win? A $3500.00 travel gift certificate to a travel agency. Any one in the world can win this certificate to travel anywhere in the world. You don't even have to use it all at once. You can break it up inot a few trips and related travel purchases from the agency. What is the cost? The cost of one ticket is $10 and you can get three for $20. How do you purchase tickets? Please go to www.nfbco.org and click on the vacation travel raffle link and follow the instructions from there What does this fundraiser support? It supports our college scholarship program for blind students and our braille literacy program called BELL for blind youth. When is the drawing? It will take place on Saturday, October 19, 2013, at the NFB of Colorado's Annual Banquet. You need not be present to win. Again, please go to www.nfbco.org and purchase your tickets. Thanks to all tose who have already supported this program! Scott C. LaBarre, President National Federation of the Blind of Colorado P.S. I apologize if you have received this mailing a couple of times due to the fact that some email addresses are on a few different lists. From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Tue Sep 17 17:16:37 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:16:37 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Literacy = Drinks on a Beautiful Beech? In-Reply-To: <038001ceb3c8$9a2721d0$ce756570$@labarrelaw.com> References: <038001ceb3c8$9a2721d0$ce756570$@labarrelaw.com> Message-ID: Do you have to be from Colorado to purchase a ticket? Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Scott C. LaBarre [slabarre at labarrelaw.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:08 PM To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Literacy = Drinks on a Beautiful Beech? Greetings my Federation Friends: All of us on this list have a multitude of reasons to be thankful to the NFB. For me, The Federation has played a major role in allowing me to become a successful attorney and otherwise lead a full and enriching life. Please join me in supporting the Federation by participating in the NFB of Colorado's Amazing Vacation Travel Raffle. It's easy to do. What can you win? A $3500.00 travel gift certificate to a travel agency. Any one in the world can win this certificate to travel anywhere in the world. You don't even have to use it all at once. You can break it up inot a few trips and related travel purchases from the agency. What is the cost? The cost of one ticket is $10 and you can get three for $20. How do you purchase tickets? Please go to www.nfbco.org and click on the vacation travel raffle link and follow the instructions from there What does this fundraiser support? It supports our college scholarship program for blind students and our braille literacy program called BELL for blind youth. When is the drawing? It will take place on Saturday, October 19, 2013, at the NFB of Colorado's Annual Banquet. You need not be present to win. Again, please go to www.nfbco.org and purchase your tickets. Thanks to all tose who have already supported this program! Scott C. LaBarre, President National Federation of the Blind of Colorado P.S. I apologize if you have received this mailing a couple of times due to the fact that some email addresses are on a few different lists. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Sep 17 17:21:16 2013 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:21:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Literacy = Drinks on a Beautiful Beech? In-Reply-To: References: <038001ceb3c8$9a2721d0$ce756570$@labarrelaw.com> Message-ID: <039301ceb3ca$5192bd60$f4b83820$@labarrelaw.com> Absolutely not! Anyone from anywhere can purchase. Thanks, Scott -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:17 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Literacy = Drinks on a Beautiful Beech? Do you have to be from Colorado to purchase a ticket? Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Scott C. LaBarre [slabarre at labarrelaw.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:08 PM To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Literacy = Drinks on a Beautiful Beech? Greetings my Federation Friends: All of us on this list have a multitude of reasons to be thankful to the NFB. For me, The Federation has played a major role in allowing me to become a successful attorney and otherwise lead a full and enriching life. Please join me in supporting the Federation by participating in the NFB of Colorado's Amazing Vacation Travel Raffle. It's easy to do. What can you win? A $3500.00 travel gift certificate to a travel agency. Any one in the world can win this certificate to travel anywhere in the world. You don't even have to use it all at once. You can break it up inot a few trips and related travel purchases from the agency. What is the cost? The cost of one ticket is $10 and you can get three for $20. How do you purchase tickets? Please go to www.nfbco.org and click on the vacation travel raffle link and follow the instructions from there What does this fundraiser support? It supports our college scholarship program for blind students and our braille literacy program called BELL for blind youth. When is the drawing? It will take place on Saturday, October 19, 2013, at the NFB of Colorado's Annual Banquet. You need not be present to win. Again, please go to www.nfbco.org and purchase your tickets. Thanks to all tose who have already supported this program! Scott C. LaBarre, President National Federation of the Blind of Colorado P.S. I apologize if you have received this mailing a couple of times due to the fact that some email addresses are on a few different lists. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.co m From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Tue Sep 17 17:23:32 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 17:23:32 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Literacy = Drinks on a Beautiful Beech? In-Reply-To: <039301ceb3ca$5192bd60$f4b83820$@labarrelaw.com> References: <038001ceb3c8$9a2721d0$ce756570$@labarrelaw.com> , <039301ceb3ca$5192bd60$f4b83820$@labarrelaw.com> Message-ID: Awesome! I'll try to get one later this week. Jamaica, and Hawaii are calling my name! LOL! Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Scott C. LaBarre [slabarre at labarrelaw.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:21 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Literacy = Drinks on a Beautiful Beech? Absolutely not! Anyone from anywhere can purchase. Thanks, Scott -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:17 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Literacy = Drinks on a Beautiful Beech? Do you have to be from Colorado to purchase a ticket? Thanks, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Scott C. LaBarre [slabarre at labarrelaw.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:08 PM To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Literacy = Drinks on a Beautiful Beech? Greetings my Federation Friends: All of us on this list have a multitude of reasons to be thankful to the NFB. For me, The Federation has played a major role in allowing me to become a successful attorney and otherwise lead a full and enriching life. Please join me in supporting the Federation by participating in the NFB of Colorado's Amazing Vacation Travel Raffle. It's easy to do. What can you win? A $3500.00 travel gift certificate to a travel agency. Any one in the world can win this certificate to travel anywhere in the world. You don't even have to use it all at once. You can break it up inot a few trips and related travel purchases from the agency. What is the cost? The cost of one ticket is $10 and you can get three for $20. How do you purchase tickets? Please go to www.nfbco.org and click on the vacation travel raffle link and follow the instructions from there What does this fundraiser support? It supports our college scholarship program for blind students and our braille literacy program called BELL for blind youth. When is the drawing? It will take place on Saturday, October 19, 2013, at the NFB of Colorado's Annual Banquet. You need not be present to win. Again, please go to www.nfbco.org and purchase your tickets. Thanks to all tose who have already supported this program! Scott C. LaBarre, President National Federation of the Blind of Colorado P.S. I apologize if you have received this mailing a couple of times due to the fact that some email addresses are on a few different lists. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.o nmicrosoft.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccua.edu From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 20:16:45 2013 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:16:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] French books? Message-ID: <5238B8AD.7080900@gmail.com> Hello, I am taking a french class this Fall quarter and my school is trying to figure out how they can get me my French book. I have told them that I wanted it in Braille, but they don't know what the best way to get it to me is. They refused to get a French Braille transcriber because it would cost $17000 and that is the whole budget of the department. I asked them if they could do sections, but they were really put off by that quote, so are asking for other ways to get the Braille to me. I am wondering if anyone knows if: 1. Putting the clean doc through DBT on the french setting and giving it to me 2. giving me the clean doc and I read it on my APEX is the better option for me? I've never delbt with a huge French text all on its own before, so don't know how my technology will interact with it. If anyone has used any of the above options please let me know. Thank you, -- Brandon Keith Biggs From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 20:58:13 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:58:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] French books? In-Reply-To: <5238B8AD.7080900@gmail.com> References: <5238B8AD.7080900@gmail.com> Message-ID: I got my French book in Word documents. The AT specialist scanned the text, then went through and set the French portions to read with the JAWS French voice. Anyone can do this, but I don't remember how it is done. It is also very time consuming. But it allowed me to read and spell the text in French, and helped me with pronunciation. I don't know how it would be done in Braille, or if that would even be helpful, unless you happen to know French Braille, which is different from American Braille. I would suggest doing it the way I did, with the French portions of the text read with the French voice. Once you have a general grasp of the language, then you can work on learning French Braille, when all the accents will make sense. This is just my opinion, though, so you don't have to listen to me. *grins* -Jewel Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > I am taking a french class this Fall quarter and my school is trying to figure out how they can get me my French book. I have told them that I wanted it in Braille, but they don't know what the best way to get it to me is. > They refused to get a French Braille transcriber because it would cost $17000 and that is the whole budget of the department. I asked them if they could do sections, but they were really put off by that quote, so are asking for other ways to get the Braille to me. > I am wondering if anyone knows if: > 1. Putting the clean doc through DBT on the french setting and giving it to me > 2. giving me the clean doc and I read it on my APEX > > is the better option for me? > I've never delbt with a huge French text all on its own before, so don't know how my technology will interact with it. > If anyone has used any of the above options please let me know. > Thank you, > > -- > Brandon Keith Biggs > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 21:23:09 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:23:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] French books? Message-ID: <5238c854.420fec0a.0527.fffffcce@mx.google.com> Jewel, if I were you, I would let them give you the clean doc and read it on your apex. That's what I do with nearly all of my textbooks. French is no different. The braillenote can read French. If you need to know how to get it to do that, feel free to email me offlist. HTH, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jewel wrote: Hello, I am taking a french class this Fall quarter and my school is trying to figure out how they can get me my French book. I have told them that I wanted it in Braille, but they don't know what the best way to get it to me is. They refused to get a French Braille transcriber because it would cost $17000 and that is the whole budget of the department. I asked them if they could do sections, but they were really put off by that quote, so are asking for other ways to get the Braille to me. I am wondering if anyone knows if: 1. Putting the clean doc through DBT on the french setting and giving it to me 2. giving me the clean doc and I read it on my APEX is the better option for me? I've never delbt with a huge French text all on its own before, so don't know how my technology will interact with it. If anyone has used any of the above options please let me know. Thank you, -- Brandon Keith Biggs _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com Tue Sep 17 21:35:31 2013 From: mauriciopmalmeida at gmail.com (Mauricio Almeida) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 18:35:31 -0300 Subject: [nabs-l] French books? In-Reply-To: <5238c854.420fec0a.0527.fffffcce@mx.google.com> References: <5238c854.420fec0a.0527.fffffcce@mx.google.com> Message-ID: on that note: I am interested on learning french. Is there any online material that is also accessible available as far as you all know? I am looking for a book, a website, a combination of the two, etc. Sincerely Mauricio On 9/17/13, Sophie Trist wrote: > Jewel, if I were you, I would let them give you the clean doc and > read it on your apex. That's what I do with nearly all of my > textbooks. French is no different. The braillenote can read > French. If you need to know how to get it to do that, feel free > to email me offlist. > > HTH, > Sophie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jewel To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:58:13 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? > > I got my French book in Word documents. The AT specialist scanned > the text, then went through and set the French portions to read > with the JAWS French voice. Anyone can do this, but I don't > remember how it is done. It is also very time consuming. But it > allowed me to read and spell the text in French, and helped me > with pronunciation. I don't know how it would be done in Braille, > or if that would even be helpful, unless you happen to know > French Braille, which is different from American Braille. I would > suggest doing it the way I did, with the French portions of the > text read with the French voice. Once you have a general grasp of > the language, then you can work on learning French Braille, when > all the accents will make sense. This is just my opinion, though, > so you don't have to listen to me. *grins* > -Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 17, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs > wrote: > > Hello, > I am taking a french class this Fall quarter and my school is > trying to figure out how they can get me my French book. I have > told them that I wanted it in Braille, but they don't know what > the best way to get it to me is. > They refused to get a French Braille transcriber because it > would cost $17000 and that is the whole budget of the department. > I asked them if they could do sections, but they were really put > off by that quote, so are asking for other ways to get the > Braille to me. > I am wondering if anyone knows if: > 1. Putting the clean doc through DBT on the french setting and > giving it to me > 2. giving me the clean doc and I read it on my APEX > > is the better option for me? > I've never delbt with a huge French text all on its own before, > so don't know how my technology will interact with it. > If anyone has used any of the above options please let me know. > Thank you, > > -- > Brandon Keith Biggs > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com > From dburke at cocenter.org Tue Sep 17 21:56:23 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 21:56:23 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] French books? In-Reply-To: <5238c854.420fec0a.0527.fffffcce@mx.google.com> References: <5238c854.420fec0a.0527.fffffcce@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5a617351859345638e563fe11988d40d@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Brandon, I think a combination of the ideas presented may be your best solution. I agree that Braille is the best way to study a new language. Taking the clean Word doc and coding all the French language areas as French is the process that they would have to follow, however. It is time-consuming. But that is the only way you will get the correct language codings and therefore the correct Braille output. Scanning the book won't produce that without the intensive coding. And by the way, they need to have auto-correct turned off on the spell-checker. (grin) Once they have that done, they can import it into Duxbury and translate it. If you want it in hard-copy you can have it. And you can also load the .brf files into your Apex. Do you know the French braille code? You need to. By the way, disability rights laws in higher ed don't care about the DS office's annual budget. The institution's annual budget is the only factor that matters in determining if a request for modifications is reasonable or if it is an "undue burden." Best, Dan Dan Burke Academic and Youth Services Colorado Center for the Blind Take charge with confidence and self-reliance www.cocenter.org facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind @CoCenter4Blind www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. Littleton, CO  80120 303-778-1130 ext. 210 Fax: 303-778-1598 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? Jewel, if I were you, I would let them give you the clean doc and read it on your apex. That's what I do with nearly all of my textbooks. French is no different. The braillenote can read French. If you need to know how to get it to do that, feel free to email me offlist. HTH, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jewel wrote: Hello, I am taking a french class this Fall quarter and my school is trying to figure out how they can get me my French book. I have told them that I wanted it in Braille, but they don't know what the best way to get it to me is. They refused to get a French Braille transcriber because it would cost $17000 and that is the whole budget of the department. I asked them if they could do sections, but they were really put off by that quote, so are asking for other ways to get the Braille to me. I am wondering if anyone knows if: 1. Putting the clean doc through DBT on the french setting and giving it to me 2. giving me the clean doc and I read it on my APEX is the better option for me? I've never delbt with a huge French text all on its own before, so don't know how my technology will interact with it. If anyone has used any of the above options please let me know. Thank you, -- Brandon Keith Biggs _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Sep 18 03:30:41 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:30:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Presents: Back to SchoolMembership Call Message-ID: <1607A5DC-8ADE-4376-8FBC-7F15D9CBB983@gmail.com> Hello Fellow Scholars, I know you've been waiting in eager anticipation of the Next National Association of Blind Students Membership Call. Not wanting to keep you waiting for too terribly long, it's probably high time we deliver. The National Association of Blind Students Presents: getting Back to School, tips and techniques. Join some of your fellow students as we talk about ways to sussed in the classroom and on campus. Date: Sunday 9/22/2013 Time: 7p.m. EST, 4p.m. PST Call: (605) 405-6700 code: 786-9673 should you have any questions, Please contact Darian Smith, membership committee chair at dsmithnfb at gmail.com Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu Wed Sep 18 14:58:58 2013 From: stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 09:58:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: FW: NASA Spring and Summer 2014 Recruitment Letter for Student Interns with Disabilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stephanie Hirst DeLuca Vanderbilt University CPB Ph.D. Candidate Meiler Laboratory Email: stephanie.h.deluca at vanderbilt.edu Phone: 615 936 6594 Cell: 256 810 2138 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gilliam, Corinne Date: Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 2:13 PM Subject: FW: NASA Spring and Summer 2014 Recruitment Letter for Student Interns with Disabilities To: To Prospective NASA Student Interns with Disabilities, NASA is looking to increase the number of students with disabilities pursuing science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) careers through our internship programs. NASA has a two-percent hiring goal for employment of people with disabilities and internships are a good way to get experience. Students can apply for summer 2014 internships, starting on Friday, November 1, 2013. The deadline for submitting applications is Friday, March 14, 2014, and we will begin extending offers to students as early as Monday, February 3, 2014. We encourage you to apply early because the best opportunities are likely to be filled early. Plus, your likelihood of being selected decreases the longer you wait. You can register for an account and look for internships anytime at the One Stop Shopping Initiative (OSSI): NASA Internships, Fellowships, and Scholarships (NIFS) at http://intern.nasa.gov/. Summer 2014 internships run from early June until early August for college students and from late June until early August for high school students. All student interns get paid. For example, last Summer, at Goddard college students received a stipend of $6000 and high school students $1800. As an intern, you are responsible for your own housing. NASA internships for college and high school students are also offered during Spring, Fall and Year Long Sessions. Students can apply for Spring 2014 internship opportunities now! The website and the application process are the same for all NASA internships, regardless of the time of year. The deadline for submitting applications is Friday, October 11, 2013, and we will begin extending offers to students as early as Wednesday, September 11, 2013. Students who are selected for spring internships will receive an offer letter by E-mail sometime after October 11, 2013. Students will not be able to see Summer 2014 opportunities until November 1. NASA has internships for high school students and for rising freshmen through doctoral students in STEM fields. A rising freshman is a high school student who has been accepted to an accredited institution of higher learning, i.e., a college or university, at the time of the internship. Applicants must be U.S. citizens, with a minimum GPA of 2.8 for college and 3.0 for high school; however, applicants must understand that the competition for internships is keen. High school students must be at least sixteen years old at the time the internship begins. Internships are available at all NASA centers nationwide. Students can submit a completed application whether they apply to an opportunity or not. However, applying to opportunities has the advantage of allowing applicants to be considered by mentors who work in disciplines of interest and at a particular center. Applicants may apply to as many as fifteen opportunities. For example, an opportunity having to do with the Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) will be at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland because SDO is located there. Not applying to an opportunity means that prospective interns will be hoping that a mentor happens to read their applications rather than directing their applications to mentors in fields and at centers of interest. Students who are selected for summer internships will receive an offer letter by E-mail sometime after February 3, 2014. They will then have five days to either accept or reject the offer through their OSSI: NIFS account. The offer will automatically expire after five days if no action is taken. Below is a list of frequently asked questions about applying for NASA internships: Frequently Asked Questions About OSSI:NIFS for Student Applicants * What does NASA do? In aeronautics, NASA enables a safer, more secure, efficient, and environmentally friendly air transportation system. In human exploration, NASA operates the International Space Station (ISS) and prepares for human exploration beyond low Earth orbit. In science, NASA explores the Earth-Sun system, our own solar system, and the universe beyond. In engineering, NASA designs the aircraft, spacecraft, and scientific instruments that make all of this possible. * In what fields are NASA's internship opportunities? NASA has internships in aerospace, chemical, environmental, materials, mechanical, civil, electrical, thermal, systems, optical, robotic and computer hardware and software engineering. Engineers also work in the fields of composites, cryogenics, microelectronics, signal processing, high performance computing , and nanotechnology . Our computer engineers develop artificial intelligence systems, and conduct research into data information and visualization systems technology . NASA computer scientists develop models that help us learn about gravitational astrophysics, study the Earth's oceans, study the Earth's atmosphere, and study the biospheres of other planets. Earth and planetary scientists study the physics and chemistry of the Earth's oceans, the Earth's atmosphere, and the biospheres of other planets and exoplanets, using these models. Astrophysicists use satellites, aircraft, balloons and sounding rockets to conduct research into high energy astrophysics, astroparticle physics, stellar physics, heliophysics, and cosmology. Some of the other areas of study at NASA are radiation, space weather, geodynamics, planetary magnetospheres, geospace physics, and climatology. Remote sensing is crucial to all of this research. Our engineers and scientists work with radio, thermal, infrared, optical, ultraviolet, X-ray, gamma ray, laser, particle, acoustic and many other types of sensors and detectors. * Where are NASA internship opportunities located? Internship opportunities are located at NASA centers and field installations all over the country: Ames Research Center, Moffett Federal Airfield, Mountain View, California; Dryden Flight Research Center, Edwards Air Force Base, Los Angeles County, California; Glenn Research Center, Cleveland, Ohio; Goddard Institute for Space Studies, New York City, New York; Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Maryland; Independent Verification and Validation Facility, Fairmont, West Virginia; Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California; Johnson Space Center, Houston, Texas; Kennedy Space Center, Merritt Island, Florida; Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia; Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Alabama; Michoud Assembly Facility, New Orleans, Louisiana; NASA Headquarters, Washington, DC; NASA Shared Services Center at Stennis Space Center, Mississippi; Stennis Space Center, near Bay St. Louis, Mississippi; Wallops Flight Facility, Wallops Island, Virginia; White Sands Complex, Las Cruces, New Mexico; and White Sands Test Facility, Las Cruces, New Mexico. * The OSSI Frequently Asked Questions link is https://intern.nasa.gov/ossi/web/faq/index.cfm?subAction=VIEW * What does OSSI:NIFS stand for? OSSI:NIFS is the One Stop Shopping Initiative for NASA Internships, Fellowships, and Scholarships. * Is there an OSSI:NIFS help desk? The help desk E-mail is < MSFC-DL-HelpdeskMSFC at mail.nasa.gov>. The help desk phone is 1-866-419-6297. The help desk hours of operation are 24/7. * How do I apply? Here is how to apply. The application is online. You need to go to . Then click on internships. Next click on the register-as-a-student Button. You then need to continue by registering, completing your interest profile, and application. Then, you must search for specific internship opportunities at specific NASA centers and field installations and apply for them. Letters of recommendation are uploaded by the recommender. Your application will not be completed until at least one letter of recommendation is uploaded. This means that you will not be able to apply to, although you will be able to view, specific opportunities until you have at least one letter of recommendation uploaded to the OSSI:NIFS system. The "getting Started" link, visible after you login, should help you as you go through the aforementioned process. Nothing is accepted by snail mail. * Are NASA internships for college and high school students also offered during Spring, Fall and Year Long Sessions? Yes * Are the website and the application process the same for all NASA internships, regardless of the time of year? Yes * I am not currently a student because I either graduated or am taking some time out from school; am I eligible to apply? You must be accepted to an accredited institution of higher learning, i.e., a college or university, at the time of the internship. So, if you don't plan to continue with your formal education next Summer or Fall, I'm sorry to tell you that you would not be eligible to apply for a NASA internship. * Can good letters of recommendation really help me land a NASA internship? You will have a better chance of being selected for an internship if you have your recommenders tailor their letters for the specific opportunities that you will be applying to. This is because your recommenders will be explaining to the mentors why your skills will be a good match. * How long does a recommender have to submit her/his letter of recommendation? Recommenders receive an E-mail from the OSSI:NIFS system after an applicant enters a recommenders name and other information. This E-mail gives instructions and a link for uploading the letter to an applicant's account. The link is specific with a user name and password. Warning! The link is disabled 20 calendar days after it is sent to the recommender. The applicant must enter the recommender's information again after the 20 calendar days has expired. * How do I upload a transcript? What if I want to update the transcript? After logging into your account, click on "My Applications." Then, click on "Education." Go to your college, and click on the "Upload" button, and upload a transcript. Then, save the record. If you want to update the transcript, repeat the aforementioned process, and the old transcript will be overwritten by the new transcript. This change will affect all of the internship opportunities that you applied or will apply to. * How do I disclose my disability status if I am a student with a disability? There is a place in the online application process to voluntarily disclose disability status. It is located under "My Applications." Then, click on "General Information." This information is used in order to determine the degree to which members of each disability, ethnic, and racial group are reached by this internship/fellowship program. Additionally, NASA uses information about disability status to provide reasonable accommodation if requested. NASA requests that the student select the appropriate responses. While providing this information is optional, you must select decline to answer if you do not want to provide it. Mentors will not be able to view this information when considering students for opportunities. For more information, please visit the following website: http://www.nasa.gov/about/highlights/HP_Privacy.html * Why can't I find any internship opportunities specifically for students with disabilities? There are no NASA internships specifically for students with disabilities. Students with disabilities compete with other students for our internships. We are making a concerted effort to recruit students with disabilities into our mainstream internship programs. * Why do I see so few internship opportunities when I search for them? The OSSI:NIFS system only displays internship opportunities that request students at the grade level that you entered, i.e. the grade level that you will be at the time the internship begins. The way to work around this is to search for opportunities before you log in at < https://intern.nasa.gov/ossi/web/public/guest/searchOpps/>. A pre-login search will eliminate the grade-level limitation on your search. When you find an opportunity that you wish to apply to, open it and apply. You will be prompted to log in at this point. Do so, and you will be able to apply or add it to your saved opportunities of interest. * What is the deadline for applying? The deadline for submitting applications is Friday, March 15, 2013, and we will begin extending offers to students as early as February 2, 2013. * What is the minimum GPA in order to qualify for a NASA internship? A minimum GPA of 2.8 is required for college students and 3.0 for high school students. However, applicants must understand that the competition for internships is keen. * What is the minimum age for an intern? High school students must be at least sixteen years old at the time the internship begins. There is no upper age limit for college students. * When and for how long do Summer 2013 internships run? Summer 2013 internships run from June 3 until August 9 for college students and from June 24 until August 2 for high school students. * Do I get paid? Yes, all student interns get paid. For example, at Goddard college students receive a stipend of $6000 and high school students $1800. * What do I do for housing? You will not be assigned housing. You must find it on your own. We do have lists of places that other students have stayed. However, we do not recommend specific housing. You will be expected to find and pay for your own housing out of your stipend. * Do I need to be a United States citizen to apply? Yes. Having a green card does not qualify someone as a U.S. citizen for purposes of this program. Please go to the following link to learn about internship opportunities for foreign citizens: https://intern.nasa.gov/content/internship-information/one-stop-shopping-initiative-ossi-student-online-a/non-us-opportunities/index.html * I'm having browser problems; what should I do? We can offer some suggestions on what to do without knowing what browser of OS the student is using. First, if they are using IE 9, please click on the Compatibility View, located on the Address bar. If they are using IE 8, please click on the Compatibility View, located under tools on the menu bar. This should correct the display. If they are using Firefox 5, try typing in the entire institution name and then tab down to get the address to fill completely. If neither of these work, please use the OSSI Information Center (OIC) to submit the technical inquiry at the following link: https://intern.nasa.gov/content/help/ossi-information-center-oic/index.html * I'm having trouble selecting a college; what should I do? When selecting a college, don't put anything in the edit field for the school, and just click search. You will then see a section at the bottom of the page that allows you to select a school, city, and state. Put in the city and state. Again, leave the school field blank. The website will give you a list of schools in that city and state as links. Just click on the school that you want, and it should be entered as your school in the original edit field. * I'm a high school student, and I don't have a college to enter yet: what should I do? Just write in a college that you think that you would like to attend. You will be asked for your high school later on in the application process. * Should I apply to all opportunities which look interesting to me at the same time, or sequentially by my priority interest? The choice is yours. You can apply to a maximum of 15. * If I apply to multiple internship opportunities at the same time, would I only receive an offer from one? You may get an offer from more than one opportunity. However, once you accept an offer. You cannot accept anymore offers. You are committed. * Do all internship opportunities reply at the same time if I apply for them concurrently? No. * Does NASA only have Summer internships? NASA internships for college students are also offered during Spring, Fall, and Year-Long Sessions. the OSSI system is the site to look for and apply to all NASA internships. The process is the same for all our internships. * Are NASA internships only for students with disabilities? No. Students with disabilities compete with other students for internships. Disclosure of one's disability, during the application process, is only seen by the Office of Education. The mentors, who select their students, do not have access to this information. We use information about a student's disability to provide reasonable accommodation in a timely manner if reasonable accommodation is requested. * For whom does NASA have internships? NASA has internships for high school students and for rising freshmen through doctoral students in STEM fields. A rising freshman is a high school student who has been accepted to an accredited institution of higher learning, i.e., a college or university, at the time of the internship. * Where are NASA internships located? Internships are available at all NASA centers and field installations nationwide. Students can submit a completed application whether they apply to an opportunity or not. However, applying to opportunities has the advantage of allowing applicants to be considered by mentors who work in disciplines of interest and at a particular center. Applicants may apply to as many as fifteen posted opportunities. For example, an opportunity having to do with the Solar Dynamics Observatory (SDO) will be at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland because SDO is located there. Not applying to an opportunity means that prospective interns will be hoping that a mentor happens to read their applications rather than directing their applications to mentors in fields and at centers of interest. * I applied to various opportunities. Will there be an interview before an offer is made? No. There will not be an interview before an offer is made. However, a mentor may contact you if she or he wishes for more information or to discuss your application. * What happens if I am selected for an internship? Students who are selected for summer internships will receive an offer letter by E-mail sometime after February 1, 2013. They will then have five days to either accept or reject the offer through their OSSI: NIFS account. The offer will automatically expire after five days if no action is taken. Offers will be made from February 2, 2013, until all internship positions will have been filled. This continuous process may take until early May. So, you may receive an offer at any time during this period. * What happens if I am not selected for an internship? You will receive an E-mail after all interns are selected for the session to which you applied, i.e., Summer, Fall, Spring, year long. This E-mail will notify you that you were not selected. Please feel free to contact me for more information or help with applying. Kenneth A. Silberman, Esq. U.S. Supreme Court, Maryland, & Patent Bars B.A., M.Eng., J.D. 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Name: nasa_summer_2014_recruitment_letter_for_student_interns_with_disabilities.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 88978 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Wed Sep 18 17:40:30 2013 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 10:40:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] French books? In-Reply-To: References: <5238c854.420fec0a.0527.fffffcce@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5239E58E.3040504@gmail.com> Hello, What do you mean by coding the French parts as French? I have stressed to them over and over that I must have the acute and Grave symbols (Although there is circumflex in french isn't there as well)... So if I should tell them to do something else please let me know. I read French Braille quite a bit (Grade 1 that is) but because it looks so complex, I haven't really focused on learning all the details of the language. But I have reference tables and I know the sounds (Kind of) of what each sound makes. I read German and Italian Braille fluently so I know about no contractions in those two languages. But I know French is more complex because it is the place where French began, I have to make sure I'm not reading French in Grade 2 because I would really die if I had to learn both of those symbols at once. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs On 9/17/2013 2:35 PM, Mauricio Almeida wrote: > on that note: > I am interested on learning french. > Is there any online material that is also accessible available as far > as you all know? > I am looking for a book, a website, a combination of the two, etc. > > Sincerely > > Mauricio > > On 9/17/13, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Jewel, if I were you, I would let them give you the clean doc and >> read it on your apex. That's what I do with nearly all of my >> textbooks. French is no different. The braillenote can read >> French. If you need to know how to get it to do that, feel free >> to email me offlist. >> >> HTH, >> Sophie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jewel > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:58:13 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? >> >> I got my French book in Word documents. The AT specialist scanned >> the text, then went through and set the French portions to read >> with the JAWS French voice. Anyone can do this, but I don't >> remember how it is done. It is also very time consuming. But it >> allowed me to read and spell the text in French, and helped me >> with pronunciation. I don't know how it would be done in Braille, >> or if that would even be helpful, unless you happen to know >> French Braille, which is different from American Braille. I would >> suggest doing it the way I did, with the French portions of the >> text read with the French voice. Once you have a general grasp of >> the language, then you can work on learning French Braille, when >> all the accents will make sense. This is just my opinion, though, >> so you don't have to listen to me. *grins* >> -Jewel >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 17, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> I am taking a french class this Fall quarter and my school is >> trying to figure out how they can get me my French book. I have >> told them that I wanted it in Braille, but they don't know what >> the best way to get it to me is. >> They refused to get a French Braille transcriber because it >> would cost $17000 and that is the whole budget of the department. >> I asked them if they could do sections, but they were really put >> off by that quote, so are asking for other ways to get the >> Braille to me. >> I am wondering if anyone knows if: >> 1. Putting the clean doc through DBT on the french setting and >> giving it to me >> 2. giving me the clean doc and I read it on my APEX >> >> is the better option for me? >> I've never delbt with a huge French text all on its own before, >> so don't know how my technology will interact with it. >> If anyone has used any of the above options please let me know. >> Thank you, >> >> -- >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Wed Sep 18 17:51:02 2013 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:51:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Literacy = Drinks on a Beautiful Beach? Message-ID: <07d401ceb497$b4979f20$1dc6dd60$@labarrelaw.com> Greetings Friends: As many of you know, the National Federation of the Blind has played a major role in allowing me to become a successful attorney and otherwise lead a full and enriching life. Please join me in supporting the Federation by participating in the NFB of Colorado's Amazing Vacation Travel Raffle. It's easy to do. What can you win? A $3500.00 travel gift certificate to a travel agency. Anyone in the world can win this certificate to travel anywhere in the world. You don't even have to use it all at once. You can break it up into a few trips and related travel purchases from the agency. Last year's winner is taking a bike tour of Europe, for example. What is the cost? The cost of one ticket is $10 and you can get three for $20. How do you purchase tickets? Please go to www.nfbco.org and click on the vacation travel raffle link and follow the instructions from there. What does this fundraiser support? It supports our college scholarship program for blind students and our Braille literacy program called BELL for blind youth. When is the drawing? We will draw the winning ticket on Saturday, October 19, 2013, as part of the NFB of Colorado's Annual Banquet. You need not be present to win. Again, please go to www.nfbco.org and purchase your tickets. Thanks to all those who have already supported this program! Scott C. LaBarre, President National Federation of the Blind of Colorado P.S. I apologize if you have received this mailing a couple of times due to the fact that some email addresses are on a few different lists. From dburke at cocenter.org Wed Sep 18 20:19:31 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:19:31 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] French books? In-Reply-To: <5239E58E.3040504@gmail.com> References: <5238c854.420fec0a.0527.fffffcce@mx.google.com> <5239E58E.3040504@gmail.com> Message-ID: No, that's critical. The codes referred to are language codes in Microsoft Word. One of the earlier posters referred to it. Our MS Word docs are set to English by default. Ensuring that the portions of your textbook that appear in French are identified by Word with French language codes means that JAWS identifies them as being in French and can switch to a French voice to read them with correct pronunciation. It further means that the Duxbury translation translates to French Braille code, not using English contractions. The latter perhaps is not as critical if you are sticking to Grade one, but the two accents and circumflex may have different symbols in French Braille? ... that's a question. I know that it's true in Spanish and Irish Braille. HTH Dan Dan Burke Academic and Youth Services Colorado Center for the Blind Take charge with confidence and self-reliance www.cocenter.org facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind @CoCenter4Blind www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. Littleton, CO  80120 303-778-1130 ext. 210 Fax: 303-778-1598 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:40 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? Hello, What do you mean by coding the French parts as French? I have stressed to them over and over that I must have the acute and Grave symbols (Although there is circumflex in french isn't there as well)... So if I should tell them to do something else please let me know. I read French Braille quite a bit (Grade 1 that is) but because it looks so complex, I haven't really focused on learning all the details of the language. But I have reference tables and I know the sounds (Kind of) of what each sound makes. I read German and Italian Braille fluently so I know about no contractions in those two languages. But I know French is more complex because it is the place where French began, I have to make sure I'm not reading French in Grade 2 because I would really die if I had to learn both of those symbols at once. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs On 9/17/2013 2:35 PM, Mauricio Almeida wrote: > on that note: > I am interested on learning french. > Is there any online material that is also accessible available as far > as you all know? > I am looking for a book, a website, a combination of the two, etc. > > Sincerely > > Mauricio > > On 9/17/13, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Jewel, if I were you, I would let them give you the clean doc and >> read it on your apex. That's what I do with nearly all of my >> textbooks. French is no different. The braillenote can read >> French. If you need to know how to get it to do that, feel free >> to email me offlist. >> >> HTH, >> Sophie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jewel > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:58:13 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? >> >> I got my French book in Word documents. The AT specialist scanned >> the text, then went through and set the French portions to read >> with the JAWS French voice. Anyone can do this, but I don't >> remember how it is done. It is also very time consuming. But it >> allowed me to read and spell the text in French, and helped me >> with pronunciation. I don't know how it would be done in Braille, >> or if that would even be helpful, unless you happen to know >> French Braille, which is different from American Braille. I would >> suggest doing it the way I did, with the French portions of the >> text read with the French voice. Once you have a general grasp of >> the language, then you can work on learning French Braille, when >> all the accents will make sense. This is just my opinion, though, >> so you don't have to listen to me. *grins* >> -Jewel >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 17, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> I am taking a french class this Fall quarter and my school is >> trying to figure out how they can get me my French book. I have >> told them that I wanted it in Braille, but they don't know what >> the best way to get it to me is. >> They refused to get a French Braille transcriber because it >> would cost $17000 and that is the whole budget of the department. >> I asked them if they could do sections, but they were really put >> off by that quote, so are asking for other ways to get the >> Braille to me. >> I am wondering if anyone knows if: >> 1. Putting the clean doc through DBT on the french setting and >> giving it to me >> 2. giving me the clean doc and I read it on my APEX >> >> is the better option for me? >> I've never delbt with a huge French text all on its own before, >> so don't know how my technology will interact with it. >> If anyone has used any of the above options please let me know. >> Thank you, >> >> -- >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Wed Sep 18 21:20:15 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 17:20:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] French books? In-Reply-To: <5239E58E.3040504@gmail.com> References: <5238c854.420fec0a.0527.fffffcce@mx.google.com> <5239E58E.3040504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4341CAE2-054B-4980-8812-C35C47545C1A@gmail.com> There is a way to code the French words to be read in a French voice. This is different from just having the accents. You do need the accents, but making the book French words be read in a French voice means that the English voice does not mispronounce everything. I don't remember how to do this, but if you're just Disability office does not know how to do this, they can call JAWS. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote: > Hello, > What do you mean by coding the French parts as French? I have stressed to them over and over that I must have the acute and Grave symbols (Although there is circumflex in french isn't there as well)... So if I should tell them to do something else please let me know. > I read French Braille quite a bit (Grade 1 that is) but because it looks so complex, I haven't really focused on learning all the details of the language. But I have reference tables and I know the sounds (Kind of) of what each sound makes. I read German and Italian Braille fluently so I know about no contractions in those two languages. But I know French is more complex because it is the place where French began, I have to make sure I'm not reading French in Grade 2 because I would really die if I had to learn both of those symbols at once. > Thanks, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > > On 9/17/2013 2:35 PM, Mauricio Almeida wrote: >> on that note: >> I am interested on learning french. >> Is there any online material that is also accessible available as far >> as you all know? >> I am looking for a book, a website, a combination of the two, etc. >> >> Sincerely >> >> Mauricio >> >> On 9/17/13, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Jewel, if I were you, I would let them give you the clean doc and >>> read it on your apex. That's what I do with nearly all of my >>> textbooks. French is no different. The braillenote can read >>> French. If you need to know how to get it to do that, feel free >>> to email me offlist. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Sophie >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Jewel >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:58:13 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? >>> >>> I got my French book in Word documents. The AT specialist scanned >>> the text, then went through and set the French portions to read >>> with the JAWS French voice. Anyone can do this, but I don't >>> remember how it is done. It is also very time consuming. But it >>> allowed me to read and spell the text in French, and helped me >>> with pronunciation. I don't know how it would be done in Braille, >>> or if that would even be helpful, unless you happen to know >>> French Braille, which is different from American Braille. I would >>> suggest doing it the way I did, with the French portions of the >>> text read with the French voice. Once you have a general grasp of >>> the language, then you can work on learning French Braille, when >>> all the accents will make sense. This is just my opinion, though, >>> so you don't have to listen to me. *grins* >>> -Jewel >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 17, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> I am taking a french class this Fall quarter and my school is >>> trying to figure out how they can get me my French book. I have >>> told them that I wanted it in Braille, but they don't know what >>> the best way to get it to me is. >>> They refused to get a French Braille transcriber because it >>> would cost $17000 and that is the whole budget of the department. >>> I asked them if they could do sections, but they were really put >>> off by that quote, so are asking for other ways to get the >>> Braille to me. >>> I am wondering if anyone knows if: >>> 1. Putting the clean doc through DBT on the french setting and >>> giving it to me >>> 2. giving me the clean doc and I read it on my APEX >>> >>> is the better option for me? >>> I've never delbt with a huge French text all on its own before, >>> so don't know how my technology will interact with it. >>> If anyone has used any of the above options please let me know. >>> Thank you, >>> >>> -- >>> Brandon Keith Biggs >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mauriciopmalmeida%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 07:51:15 2013 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 00:51:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] French books? In-Reply-To: <5a617351859345638e563fe11988d40d@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: <5238c854.420fec0a.0527.fffffcce@mx.google.com> <5a617351859345638e563fe11988d40d@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <523AACF3.9030803@gmail.com> Hello, I did some research and the only mark for a language one can do in Word is to tell Word what dictionary to use to spell check the text. Is that what you are talking about? http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/switch-between-different-languages-by-setting-the-proofing-language-HA010354272.aspx Thank you, Brandon Keith Biggs On 9/17/2013 2:56 PM, Dan Burke wrote: > Brandon, > > I think a combination of the ideas presented may be your best solution. > > I agree that Braille is the best way to study a new language. > > Taking the clean Word doc and coding all the French language areas as French is the process that they would have to follow, however. It is time-consuming. But that is the only way you will get the correct language codings and therefore the correct Braille output. Scanning the book won't produce that without the intensive coding. And by the way, they need to have auto-correct turned off on the spell-checker. (grin) > > Once they have that done, they can import it into Duxbury and translate it. If you want it in hard-copy you can have it. And you can also load the .brf files into your Apex. > > Do you know the French braille code? You need to. > > By the way, disability rights laws in higher ed don't care about the DS office's annual budget. The institution's annual budget is the only factor that matters in determining if a request for modifications is reasonable or if it is an "undue burden." > > Best, > Dan > > > Dan Burke > Academic and Youth Services > Colorado Center for the Blind > Take charge with confidence and self-reliance > > www.cocenter.org > facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind > @CoCenter4Blind > www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg > > 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. > Littleton, CO 80120 > 303-778-1130 ext. 210 > Fax: 303-778-1598 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? > > Jewel, if I were you, I would let them give you the clean doc and > read it on your apex. That's what I do with nearly all of my > textbooks. French is no different. The braillenote can read > French. If you need to know how to get it to do that, feel free > to email me offlist. > > HTH, > Sophie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jewel To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:58:13 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? > > I got my French book in Word documents. The AT specialist scanned > the text, then went through and set the French portions to read > with the JAWS French voice. Anyone can do this, but I don't > remember how it is done. It is also very time consuming. But it > allowed me to read and spell the text in French, and helped me > with pronunciation. I don't know how it would be done in Braille, > or if that would even be helpful, unless you happen to know > French Braille, which is different from American Braille. I would > suggest doing it the way I did, with the French portions of the > text read with the French voice. Once you have a general grasp of > the language, then you can work on learning French Braille, when > all the accents will make sense. This is just my opinion, though, > so you don't have to listen to me. *grins* > -Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 17, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs > wrote: > > Hello, > I am taking a french class this Fall quarter and my school is > trying to figure out how they can get me my French book. I have > told them that I wanted it in Braille, but they don't know what > the best way to get it to me is. > They refused to get a French Braille transcriber because it > would cost $17000 and that is the whole budget of the department. > I asked them if they could do sections, but they were really put > off by that quote, so are asking for other ways to get the > Braille to me. > I am wondering if anyone knows if: > 1. Putting the clean doc through DBT on the french setting and > giving it to me > 2. giving me the clean doc and I read it on my APEX > > is the better option for me? > I've never delbt with a huge French text all on its own before, > so don't know how my technology will interact with it. > If anyone has used any of the above options please let me know. > Thank you, > > -- > Brandon Keith Biggs > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From troubleclark at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 17:16:16 2013 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:16:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe Message-ID: Dear Nabs, My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this problem. I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has happened to other people on the list? Sincerely, Nathan Clark From tyler at tysdomain.com Thu Sep 19 17:24:27 2013 From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:24:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with security. Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, find each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand and it works out pretty well. You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending on the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Nabs, > My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this > list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where > I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. > > Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost > every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where > people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My > school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a > more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and > that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with > navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up > and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my > school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The > lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard > but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she > knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem > before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the > Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. > > My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just > dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring > up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were > wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said > that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this > problem. > > I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has > happened to other people on the list? > Sincerely, > Nathan Clark > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 17:30:48 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:30:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <001401ceb55d$fc0f7320$f42e5960$@gmail.com> One thing I do with cafeterais is to get my food to go. That way I am carrying a to go box, and I can use my cane and balance a little easier. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with security. Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, find each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand and it works out pretty well. You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending on the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Nabs, > My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this > list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where > I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. > > Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost > every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where > people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My > school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a > more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and > that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with > navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up > and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my > school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The > lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard > but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she > knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem > before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the > Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. > > My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just > dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring > up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were > wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said > that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this > problem. > > I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has > happened to other people on the list? > Sincerely, > Nathan Clark > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. > com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From carlymih at comcast.net Thu Sep 19 17:44:43 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:44:43 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130919102544.01e556c0@comcast.net> Good morning, Nathan, As a rule, it seems sighted people don't usually practice the same sensibilities of their environment as do us blinks. It's not an insurmountable thing really, except that it sometimes necessitates you, being a self assured blink who is comfortable within his skin to simply accept that, a failure to push in his chair is within ol' Sighty's nature. Just like the blink who should trip over said chair, is within his nature. We're just opposite animals who are all just trying to live as easily, and as comfortably as possible, all while giving, and taking according to what are the parameters of a situation. It looks like ol' Sighty is not accommidating you so, by means of good cane technique and echolocation, you might have to accommodation the chair leaver outers? I don't thinik you're gonna change their values any time soon. fir today, Carin ol' people on this >list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where >I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. > >Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost >every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where >people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My >school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a >more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and >that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with >navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up >and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my >school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The >lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard >but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she >knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem >before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the >Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. > >My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just >dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring >up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were >wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said >that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >problem. > >I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has >happened to other people on the list? >Sincerely, >Nathan Clark > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From troubleclark at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 17:50:48 2013 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:50:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: Dear Tyler, My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall and in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like you thought it was. Sincerely, Nathan On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with > security. > Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. > You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so > you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe > regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, find > each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I > just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand and > it works out pretty well. > You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending on > the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. > > On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear Nabs, >> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this >> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where >> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. >> >> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost >> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where >> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My >> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a >> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and >> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with >> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up >> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my >> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The >> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard >> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she >> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem >> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the >> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. >> >> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just >> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring >> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were >> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said >> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >> problem. >> >> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has >> happened to other people on the list? >> Sincerely, >> Nathan Clark >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > > -- > Take care, > Ty > http://tds-solutions.net > He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that > dares not reason is a slave. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From dburke at cocenter.org Thu Sep 19 17:51:24 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 17:51:24 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] French books? In-Reply-To: <523AACF3.9030803@gmail.com> References: <5238c854.420fec0a.0527.fffffcce@mx.google.com> <5a617351859345638e563fe11988d40d@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <523AACF3.9030803@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, on the Review ribbon there are two language items, the first is for translation, the second has the option to set the proofing language. It inserts codes into the document that are referred to by JAWS or Duxbury if you are translating into Braille. Best, Dan Dan Burke Academic and Youth Services Colorado Center for the Blind Take charge with confidence and self-reliance www.cocenter.org facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind @CoCenter4Blind www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. Littleton, CO  80120 303-778-1130 ext. 210 Fax: 303-778-1598 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:51 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? Hello, I did some research and the only mark for a language one can do in Word is to tell Word what dictionary to use to spell check the text. Is that what you are talking about? http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/switch-between-different-languages-by-setting-the-proofing-language-HA010354272.aspx Thank you, Brandon Keith Biggs On 9/17/2013 2:56 PM, Dan Burke wrote: > Brandon, > > I think a combination of the ideas presented may be your best solution. > > I agree that Braille is the best way to study a new language. > > Taking the clean Word doc and coding all the French language areas as French is the process that they would have to follow, however. It is time-consuming. But that is the only way you will get the correct language codings and therefore the correct Braille output. Scanning the book won't produce that without the intensive coding. And by the way, they need to have auto-correct turned off on the spell-checker. (grin) > > Once they have that done, they can import it into Duxbury and translate it. If you want it in hard-copy you can have it. And you can also load the .brf files into your Apex. > > Do you know the French braille code? You need to. > > By the way, disability rights laws in higher ed don't care about the DS office's annual budget. The institution's annual budget is the only factor that matters in determining if a request for modifications is reasonable or if it is an "undue burden." > > Best, > Dan > > > Dan Burke > Academic and Youth Services > Colorado Center for the Blind > Take charge with confidence and self-reliance > > www.cocenter.org > facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind > @CoCenter4Blind > www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg > > 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. > Littleton, CO 80120 > 303-778-1130 ext. 210 > Fax: 303-778-1598 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? > > Jewel, if I were you, I would let them give you the clean doc and > read it on your apex. That's what I do with nearly all of my > textbooks. French is no different. The braillenote can read > French. If you need to know how to get it to do that, feel free > to email me offlist. > > HTH, > Sophie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jewel To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:58:13 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? > > I got my French book in Word documents. The AT specialist scanned > the text, then went through and set the French portions to read > with the JAWS French voice. Anyone can do this, but I don't > remember how it is done. It is also very time consuming. But it > allowed me to read and spell the text in French, and helped me > with pronunciation. I don't know how it would be done in Braille, > or if that would even be helpful, unless you happen to know > French Braille, which is different from American Braille. I would > suggest doing it the way I did, with the French portions of the > text read with the French voice. Once you have a general grasp of > the language, then you can work on learning French Braille, when > all the accents will make sense. This is just my opinion, though, > so you don't have to listen to me. *grins* > -Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 17, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs > wrote: > > Hello, > I am taking a french class this Fall quarter and my school is > trying to figure out how they can get me my French book. I have > told them that I wanted it in Braille, but they don't know what > the best way to get it to me is. > They refused to get a French Braille transcriber because it > would cost $17000 and that is the whole budget of the department. > I asked them if they could do sections, but they were really put > off by that quote, so are asking for other ways to get the > Braille to me. > I am wondering if anyone knows if: > 1. Putting the clean doc through DBT on the french setting and > giving it to me > 2. giving me the clean doc and I read it on my APEX > > is the better option for me? > I've never delbt with a huge French text all on its own before, > so don't know how my technology will interact with it. > If anyone has used any of the above options please let me know. > Thank you, > > -- > Brandon Keith Biggs > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org From troubleclark at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 18:08:19 2013 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:08:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: Dear Tyler, As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't want to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs for me for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand where you are coming from and I respect your opinion. Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Tyler, > My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can > travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the > door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall and > in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like > you thought it was. > > Sincerely, > Nathan > > On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with >> security. >> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. >> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so >> you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe >> regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, find >> each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I >> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand and >> it works out pretty well. >> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending on >> the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. >> >> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> Dear Nabs, >>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this >>> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where >>> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. >>> >>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost >>> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where >>> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My >>> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a >>> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and >>> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with >>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up >>> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my >>> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The >>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard >>> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she >>> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem >>> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the >>> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. >>> >>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just >>> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring >>> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were >>> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said >>> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >>> problem. >>> >>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has >>> happened to other people on the list? >>> Sincerely, >>> Nathan Clark >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >> >> >> -- >> Take care, >> Ty >> http://tds-solutions.net >> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >> that >> dares not reason is a slave. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >> > From sgermano at asu.edu Thu Sep 19 18:12:01 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 11:12:01 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog Message-ID: I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the engineering tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. these are tables that hold 6-8 people. Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the question. Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable just walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just off to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering what the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no one understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good techniques? I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like what bus is this Suzanne From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Sep 19 18:13:04 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:13:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40EE9D7DF2AC4ADD967445AF74BCF0BC@OwnerPC> Nathan, Without seeing the environment, I'm not going to judge that situation. I might have dropped it, but I'm not the one with the hastle. Like you, I hate noisy places at lunch time and dislike the annoying chairs. We have a café at the community college too, but there are not too many tables and if chairs are in the way, I have room to navigate around them. Is this a small sandwich café? Do you have to carry a tray or is your stuff in a bag? We only have trays at the cafeteria and for the cafe they put your items in containers and I think they have bags if you ask for that. Otherwise you just take the items to your table or whereever you are going to eat. I haven't found this much a problem. When I was at george mason university, GMU, at the café they assisted me to a table within the café, but I don't think all chairs were hanging out, although I recall some were. I'm not sure they can enforce something like this. I'd ask them to put signs up for students to push in their chairs. It amazes me how students can leave a mess, like crumbs, on the table, and not push in chairs. Its common curtesy! It could be a tripping hazzard. I think the school can certainly request students take action, but I see no way to enforce it. I would not expect a security officer to stand and patrol the café and give out warnings or something for failing to push in chairs. I mean, they cannot monitor it. See what happens in the meeting and in the next few weeks. Otherwise, if the problem isn't solved, you might try and get sighted assistance to find a table. I also think carrying items in a to go bag will make it easier to carry your items to a table. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Clark Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe Dear Nabs, My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this problem. I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has happened to other people on the list? Sincerely, Nathan Clark _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From troubleclark at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 18:18:17 2013 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:18:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: Dear Carin, What makes me so mad about the situation is that I can't believe that people are just so lazy that they can't take 2 seconds out of their day and push their chairs in. It doesn't take much energy last time I checked to use your arm and push the chair in. Sincerely, Nathan On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Tyler, > As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what > we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't want > to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs for me > for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand where you are > coming from and I respect your opinion. > Sincerely, > Nathan Clark > > On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear Tyler, >> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can >> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the >> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall and >> in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like >> you thought it was. >> >> Sincerely, >> Nathan >> >> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with >>> security. >>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. >>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so >>> you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe >>> regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, find >>> each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I >>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand and >>> it works out pretty well. >>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending on >>> the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. >>> >>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>> Dear Nabs, >>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this >>>> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where >>>> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. >>>> >>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost >>>> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where >>>> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My >>>> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a >>>> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and >>>> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with >>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up >>>> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my >>>> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The >>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard >>>> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she >>>> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem >>>> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the >>>> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. >>>> >>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just >>>> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring >>>> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were >>>> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said >>>> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >>>> problem. >>>> >>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has >>>> happened to other people on the list? >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Nathan Clark >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Take care, >>> Ty >>> http://tds-solutions.net >>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >>> that >>> dares not reason is a slave. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>> >> > From troubleclark at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 18:21:32 2013 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:21:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: Dear Ashley, I don't want the college to enforce it but just remind students to do it. I bring my lunch to school with me so carrying a tray is not an issue for me. Thanks for your thoughts. Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Carin, > What makes me so mad about the situation is that I can't believe that > people are just so lazy that they can't take 2 seconds out of their > day and push their chairs in. It doesn't take much energy last time I > checked to use your arm and push the chair in. > Sincerely, > Nathan > > On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear Tyler, >> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what >> we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't want >> to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs for me >> for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand where you are >> coming from and I respect your opinion. >> Sincerely, >> Nathan Clark >> >> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> Dear Tyler, >>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can >>> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the >>> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall and >>> in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like >>> you thought it was. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Nathan >>> >>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with >>>> security. >>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. >>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so >>>> you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe >>>> regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, >>>> find >>>> each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I >>>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand and >>>> it works out pretty well. >>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending on >>>> the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. >>>> >>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>>> Dear Nabs, >>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this >>>>> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where >>>>> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. >>>>> >>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost >>>>> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where >>>>> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My >>>>> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a >>>>> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and >>>>> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with >>>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up >>>>> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my >>>>> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The >>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard >>>>> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she >>>>> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem >>>>> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the >>>>> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. >>>>> >>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just >>>>> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring >>>>> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were >>>>> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said >>>>> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >>>>> problem. >>>>> >>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has >>>>> happened to other people on the list? >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Nathan Clark >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Take care, >>>> Ty >>>> http://tds-solutions.net >>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >>>> that >>>> dares not reason is a slave. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >> > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Sep 19 18:30:32 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:30:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: Hi, That sounds fine. They could put reminder notes on the bulletin boards. It makes me made too when students cannot show common curtesy. It only takes a second to push in a chair. I was taught that growing up; maybe these students were not taught it or don't care. I often brought my lunch also when at community college. Hope it works out. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Clark Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:21 PM To: tyler at tysdomain.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe Dear Ashley, I don't want the college to enforce it but just remind students to do it. I bring my lunch to school with me so carrying a tray is not an issue for me. Thanks for your thoughts. Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Carin, > What makes me so mad about the situation is that I can't believe that > people are just so lazy that they can't take 2 seconds out of their > day and push their chairs in. It doesn't take much energy last time I > checked to use your arm and push the chair in. > Sincerely, > Nathan > > On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear Tyler, >> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what >> we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't want >> to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs for me >> for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand where you are >> coming from and I respect your opinion. >> Sincerely, >> Nathan Clark >> >> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> Dear Tyler, >>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can >>> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the >>> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall and >>> in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like >>> you thought it was. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Nathan >>> >>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with >>>> security. >>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. >>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so >>>> you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe >>>> regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, >>>> find >>>> each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I >>>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand and >>>> it works out pretty well. >>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending on >>>> the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. >>>> >>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>>> Dear Nabs, >>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this >>>>> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where >>>>> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. >>>>> >>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost >>>>> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where >>>>> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My >>>>> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a >>>>> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and >>>>> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with >>>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up >>>>> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my >>>>> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The >>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard >>>>> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she >>>>> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem >>>>> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the >>>>> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. >>>>> >>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just >>>>> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring >>>>> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were >>>>> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said >>>>> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >>>>> problem. >>>>> >>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has >>>>> happened to other people on the list? >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Nathan Clark >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Take care, >>>> Ty >>>> http://tds-solutions.net >>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >>>> that >>>> dares not reason is a slave. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 18:35:35 2013 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 12:35:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: Nathan, In my honest opinion, you aren't really educating the public about the capabilities of independent blind folks if you have to bring something as trivial as this to campus security. Yes, I understand your frustration, I deal with the same problem on a daily basis...but no intervention by security (and how would such an intervention make people view you as more independent?) will solve this situation in the myriad other places you are bound to encounter it. I think Justin's suggestion is an excellent one, which I often use to deal with this problem so I can have a free hand in which to use my cane and, contrary to Carley's earlier assertion, not trip over the chair carelessly left in my path. I guarantee you will be faced with this situation over and over again for the rest of your life so, and I mean this with the utmost possible respect...deal with it. Best, Kirt On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Ashley, > I don't want the college to enforce it but just remind students to do > it. I bring my lunch to school with me so carrying a tray is not an > issue for me. Thanks for your thoughts. > Sincerely, > Nathan Clark > > On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear Carin, >> What makes me so mad about the situation is that I can't believe that >> people are just so lazy that they can't take 2 seconds out of their >> day and push their chairs in. It doesn't take much energy last time I >> checked to use your arm and push the chair in. >> Sincerely, >> Nathan >> >> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> Dear Tyler, >>> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what >>> we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't want >>> to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs for me >>> for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand where you are >>> coming from and I respect your opinion. >>> Sincerely, >>> Nathan Clark >>> >>> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>> Dear Tyler, >>>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can >>>> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the >>>> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall and >>>> in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like >>>> you thought it was. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with >>>>> security. >>>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. >>>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so >>>>> you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe >>>>> regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, >>>>> find >>>>> each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I >>>>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand >>>>> and >>>>> it works out pretty well. >>>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending >>>>> on >>>>> the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. >>>>> >>>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>>>> Dear Nabs, >>>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this >>>>>> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where >>>>>> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. >>>>>> >>>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost >>>>>> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where >>>>>> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My >>>>>> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in >>>>>> a >>>>>> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and >>>>>> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with >>>>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up >>>>>> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my >>>>>> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. >>>>>> The >>>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard >>>>>> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she >>>>>> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem >>>>>> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the >>>>>> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. >>>>>> >>>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or >>>>>> just >>>>>> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring >>>>>> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were >>>>>> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they >>>>>> said >>>>>> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >>>>>> problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this >>>>>> has >>>>>> happened to other people on the list? >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> Nathan Clark >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Take care, >>>>> Ty >>>>> http://tds-solutions.net >>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; >>>>> he >>>>> that >>>>> dares not reason is a slave. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 18:38:32 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:38:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001901ceb567$72477e30$56d67a90$@gmail.com> Carry a cane would be my answer. Without it, it is diffidult to indentify you as visually impaired. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the engineering tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. these are tables that hold 6-8 people. Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the question. Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable just walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just off to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering what the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no one understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good techniques? I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like what bus is this Suzanne _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 18:40:27 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 14:40:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <001a01ceb567$b6af3e00$240dba00$@gmail.com> The only thing you have control of iis you; it's going to be hard for security to have the other students push the chairs in. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe Nathan, In my honest opinion, you aren't really educating the public about the capabilities of independent blind folks if you have to bring something as trivial as this to campus security. Yes, I understand your frustration, I deal with the same problem on a daily basis...but no intervention by security (and how would such an intervention make people view you as more independent?) will solve this situation in the myriad other places you are bound to encounter it. I think Justin's suggestion is an excellent one, which I often use to deal with this problem so I can have a free hand in which to use my cane and, contrary to Carley's earlier assertion, not trip over the chair carelessly left in my path. I guarantee you will be faced with this situation over and over again for the rest of your life so, and I mean this with the utmost possible respect...deal with it. Best, Kirt On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Ashley, > I don't want the college to enforce it but just remind students to do > it. I bring my lunch to school with me so carrying a tray is not an > issue for me. Thanks for your thoughts. > Sincerely, > Nathan Clark > > On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear Carin, >> What makes me so mad about the situation is that I can't believe that >> people are just so lazy that they can't take 2 seconds out of their >> day and push their chairs in. It doesn't take much energy last time I >> checked to use your arm and push the chair in. >> Sincerely, >> Nathan >> >> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> Dear Tyler, >>> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what >>> we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't >>> want to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs >>> for me for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand >>> where you are coming from and I respect your opinion. >>> Sincerely, >>> Nathan Clark >>> >>> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>> Dear Tyler, >>>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can >>>> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the >>>> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall >>>> and in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation >>>> like you thought it was. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do >>>>> with security. >>>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. >>>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after >>>>> everyone so you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths >>>>> through any cafe regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is >>>>> to use your cane, find each individual chair and push it toward >>>>> the table with your foot. I just balance my tray on one arm and >>>>> use my cane with the other hand and it works out pretty well. >>>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe >>>>> (depending on the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. >>>>> >>>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>>>> Dear Nabs, >>>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on >>>>>> this list but I have a situation that I have at my community >>>>>> college where I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. >>>>>> >>>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that >>>>>> almost every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking >>>>>> ot where people had been sitting in and forgot to push their >>>>>> chairs in. My school had a room off the café where students can >>>>>> eat their lunch in a more quieter environment which is where I >>>>>> usually eat my lunch and that is where I wanted to eat today. >>>>>> However, after struggling with navigating through the chairs that >>>>>> were not pushed in I just gave up and sat a different bale and >>>>>> had my lunch. After eating, I went to my school's Secutrity >>>>>> department and expressed my concerns with them. >>>>>> The >>>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security >>>>>> guard but the secretary for the department. She knows me very >>>>>> well and she knows from previous semesters that I have >>>>>> encountered this problem before with the café. She helped me >>>>>> schedule an appointment with the Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. >>>>>> >>>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or >>>>>> just dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I >>>>>> could bring up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for >>>>>> Tuesday? If you were wondering I forgot to say that I talked to >>>>>> my DSS office and they said that they would work with the >>>>>> Secutiry department to solve this problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if >>>>>> this has happened to other people on the list? >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> Nathan Clark >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdo >>>>>> main.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Take care, >>>>> Ty >>>>> http://tds-solutions.net >>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a >>>>> fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%4 >>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40g > mail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From sgermano at asu.edu Thu Sep 19 18:53:20 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 11:53:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: <001901ceb567$72477e30$56d67a90$@gmail.com> References: <001901ceb567$72477e30$56d67a90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It would be very difficult I use a roller bag because I carry 30lbs of equipment with me portable cctv, laptop etc and then I have to bring 1/2 gallon of water in the other hand since I am on the surface of the sun in phoenix. I tried a backback but there is not one big enough for all the crap I bring. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM, justin williams < justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > Carry a cane would be my answer. Without it, it is diffidult to indentify > you as visually impaired. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > Germano > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > > I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the engineering > tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. these > are tables that hold 6-8 people. > > Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say > for > example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an empty > seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you don't > look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the question. > > Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable just > walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just off > to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering what > the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. > > I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no one > understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they > think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > techniques? > > I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly > for > mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get the > comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like what > bus is this > > Suzanne > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 19:11:41 2013 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina Cruz) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 15:11:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: <001901ceb567$72477e30$56d67a90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Could a bigger thermos attach to your bag so you'd have a hand free for a lightweight id cane? On 9/19/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: > It would be very difficult I use a roller bag because I carry 30lbs of > equipment with me portable cctv, laptop etc and then I have to bring 1/2 > gallon of water in the other hand since I am on the surface of the sun in > phoenix. I tried a backback but there is not one big enough for all the > crap I bring. > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM, justin williams < > justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Carry a cane would be my answer. Without it, it is diffidult to indentify >> you as visually impaired. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne >> Germano >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >> >> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >> engineering >> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. >> these >> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >> >> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say >> for >> example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an empty >> seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you >> don't >> look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the question. >> >> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable >> just >> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just >> off >> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering what >> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. >> >> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no >> one >> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they >> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good >> techniques? >> >> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly >> for >> mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get >> the >> comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like >> what >> bus is this >> >> Suzanne >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > -- Anjelina From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 19:52:01 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 15:52:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: <001901ceb567$72477e30$56d67a90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have used a white cane with a rolling backpack before. The main things to remember are that you will probably veer in the direction of the bag and it will take practice.If you try it and have trouble talk to a O&M instructor. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Anjelina Cruz wrote: > > Could a bigger thermos attach to your bag so you'd have a hand free > for a lightweight id cane? > >> On 9/19/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> It would be very difficult I use a roller bag because I carry 30lbs of >> equipment with me portable cctv, laptop etc and then I have to bring 1/2 >> gallon of water in the other hand since I am on the surface of the sun in >> phoenix. I tried a backback but there is not one big enough for all the >> crap I bring. >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM, justin williams < >> justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Carry a cane would be my answer. Without it, it is diffidult to indentify >>> you as visually impaired. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne >>> Germano >>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >>> >>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >>> engineering >>> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. >>> these >>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >>> >>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say >>> for >>> example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an empty >>> seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you >>> don't >>> look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the question. >>> >>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable >>> just >>> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just >>> off >>> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering what >>> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. >>> >>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no >>> one >>> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they >>> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good >>> techniques? >>> >>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly >>> for >>> mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get >>> the >>> comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like >>> what >>> bus is this >>> >>> Suzanne >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Anjelina > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From sgermano at asu.edu Thu Sep 19 20:29:34 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 13:29:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: <001901ceb567$72477e30$56d67a90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not sure. I already have a lunch box on it. I can't bring smaller than half gallon because I am gone for 12 hours on Tuesday and thursday and really don't want to pay for water. I swear I need an assistant to help carry all my stuff lol. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Anjelina Cruz wrote: > Could a bigger thermos attach to your bag so you'd have a hand free > for a lightweight id cane? > > On 9/19/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > It would be very difficult I use a roller bag because I carry 30lbs of > > equipment with me portable cctv, laptop etc and then I have to bring 1/2 > > gallon of water in the other hand since I am on the surface of the sun in > > phoenix. I tried a backback but there is not one big enough for all the > > crap I bring. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM, justin williams < > > justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Carry a cane would be my answer. Without it, it is diffidult to > indentify > >> you as visually impaired. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > >> Germano > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > >> > >> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the > >> engineering > >> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. > >> these > >> are tables that hold 6-8 people. > >> > >> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say > >> for > >> example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an empty > >> seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you > >> don't > >> look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the question. > >> > >> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable > >> just > >> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just > >> off > >> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering > what > >> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. > >> > >> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no > >> one > >> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they > >> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > >> techniques? > >> > >> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly > >> for > >> mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get > >> the > >> comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like > >> what > >> bus is this > >> > >> Suzanne > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > >> .com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Anjelina > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Thu Sep 19 21:15:38 2013 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:15:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe References: <40EE9D7DF2AC4ADD967445AF74BCF0BC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <000f01ceb57d$642af780$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Nathan and everyone, From the description of your situation it sounds to me that using a cane or a dog would do wonders to improve your navigation of this environment so DSS and security can deal with bigger fish on campus. My wife and I travel in similar environments and don't let chairs sticking out everywhere ruin our day. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe Nathan, Without seeing the environment, I'm not going to judge that situation. I might have dropped it, but I'm not the one with the hastle. Like you, I hate noisy places at lunch time and dislike the annoying chairs. We have a café at the community college too, but there are not too many tables and if chairs are in the way, I have room to navigate around them. Is this a small sandwich café? Do you have to carry a tray or is your stuff in a bag? We only have trays at the cafeteria and for the cafe they put your items in containers and I think they have bags if you ask for that. Otherwise you just take the items to your table or whereever you are going to eat. I haven't found this much a problem. When I was at george mason university, GMU, at the café they assisted me to a table within the café, but I don't think all chairs were hanging out, although I recall some were. I'm not sure they can enforce something like this. I'd ask them to put signs up for students to push in their chairs. It amazes me how students can leave a mess, like crumbs, on the table, and not push in chairs. Its common curtesy! It could be a tripping hazzard. I think the school can certainly request students take action, but I see no way to enforce it. I would not expect a security officer to stand and patrol the café and give out warnings or something for failing to push in chairs. I mean, they cannot monitor it. See what happens in the meeting and in the next few weeks. Otherwise, if the problem isn't solved, you might try and get sighted assistance to find a table. I also think carrying items in a to go bag will make it easier to carry your items to a table. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Clark Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe Dear Nabs, My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this problem. I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has happened to other people on the list? Sincerely, Nathan Clark _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 22:44:12 2013 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:44:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: <001901ceb567$72477e30$56d67a90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I didn't use a white cane for years growing up, and didn't start until I was almost out of high school. Now, in college, there are rare occasions when I go without my cane and know what you mean by having to walk up and down the rows of tables to find an empty seat. There are a few things that I do, whether I have my cane or not, that have worked for me. 1. Walk up and down the rows. I used to worry that people were staring at me and thought I looked stupid, or creepy, too, but have learned that most often, no one notices. I've even known sightlings who do the same thing when they're looking for seats in a crowded place. 2. Just walk past the end of each row. Stop and ask someone seated at the end "Excuse me, are there any empty seats in this row?" A simple yes or no question is easier for a lot of people than finding a seat for you. If they say yes, walk down the row until you find it. If they say no, try another row. 3. If you need to ask someone to just find you a seat, say something like "Excuse me, can you please help me find an empty seat? I can't see well and don't want to distract people." At that point, they shouldn't have any questions for you. Best, Jamie On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > Not sure. I already have a lunch box on it. I can't bring smaller than half > gallon because I am gone for 12 hours on Tuesday and thursday and really > don't want to pay for water. I swear I need an assistant to help carry all > my stuff lol. > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Anjelina Cruz >wrote: > > > Could a bigger thermos attach to your bag so you'd have a hand free > > for a lightweight id cane? > > > > On 9/19/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > > It would be very difficult I use a roller bag because I carry 30lbs of > > > equipment with me portable cctv, laptop etc and then I have to bring > 1/2 > > > gallon of water in the other hand since I am on the surface of the sun > in > > > phoenix. I tried a backback but there is not one big enough for all the > > > crap I bring. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM, justin williams < > > > justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Carry a cane would be my answer. Without it, it is diffidult to > > indentify > > >> you as visually impaired. > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > > >> Germano > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM > > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > > >> > > >> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the > > >> engineering > > >> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. > > >> these > > >> are tables that hold 6-8 people. > > >> > > >> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you > say > > >> for > > >> example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an > empty > > >> seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you > > >> don't > > >> look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the > question. > > >> > > >> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable > > >> just > > >> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when > just > > >> off > > >> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering > > what > > >> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. > > >> > > >> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and > no > > >> one > > >> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like > they > > >> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > > >> techniques? > > >> > > >> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and > partly > > >> for > > >> mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get > > >> the > > >> comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like > > >> what > > >> bus is this > > >> > > >> Suzanne > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > >> > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > > >> .com > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Anjelina > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 22:53:09 2013 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:53:09 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: <000f01ceb57d$642af780$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <40EE9D7DF2AC4ADD967445AF74BCF0BC@OwnerPC> <000f01ceb57d$642af780$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: A simple solution to suggest to the authorities involved, that would NOT require any person to go pushing in all the chairs or penalizing people who forget to do so, would be to ask if tables might be re-arranged slightly to allow for one wide isle that cuts through the cafe from the food lines to the exits. The isle should be wide enough so that if chairs are left out, there is enough space to maneuver around them. This will also benefit other students who may use wheelchairs, have temporary injuries requiring crutches, and even custodial staff who are pushing utility carts. -Jamie On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Nathan and everyone, > > From the description of your situation it sounds to me that using a > cane > or a dog would do wonders to improve your navigation of this environment so > DSS and security can deal with bigger fish on campus. My wife and I travel > in similar environments and don't let chairs sticking out everywhere ruin > our day. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:13 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe > > > Nathan, > Without seeing the environment, I'm not going to judge that situation. > I might have dropped it, but I'm not the one with the hastle. > Like you, I hate noisy places at lunch time and dislike the annoying > chairs. > > We have a café at the community college too, but there are not too many > tables and if chairs are in the way, I have room to navigate around them. > Is this a small sandwich café? Do you have to carry a tray or is your stuff > in a bag? We only have trays at the cafeteria and for the cafe > they put your items in containers and I think they have bags if you ask for > that. Otherwise you just take the items to your table or whereever you are > going to eat. I haven't found this much a problem. When I was at george > mason university, GMU, at the café they assisted me to a table within the > café, but I don't think all chairs were hanging out, although I recall some > were. > > > I'm not sure they can enforce something like this. I'd ask them to put > signs > up for students to push in their chairs. It amazes me how students can > leave a mess, like crumbs, on the table, and not push in chairs. Its common > curtesy! > It could be a tripping hazzard. I think the school can certainly request > students take action, but I see no way to enforce it. I would not expect a > security officer to stand and patrol the café and give out warnings or > something for failing to push in chairs. > I mean, they cannot monitor it. > > See what happens in the meeting and in the next few weeks. Otherwise, if > the > problem isn't solved, you might try and get sighted assistance to find a > table. I also think carrying items in a to go bag will make > it easier to carry your items to a table. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathan Clark > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe > > Dear Nabs, > My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this > list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where > I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. > > Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost > every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where > people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My > school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a > more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and > that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with > navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up > and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my > school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The > lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard > but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she > knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem > before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the > Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. > > My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just > dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring > up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were > wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said > that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this > problem. > > I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has > happened to other people on the list? > Sincerely, > Nathan Clark > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 22:56:55 2013 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:56:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: Nathan, There's a big difference between educating the sighted public about what we need as blind individuals and changing bad habits. Yes, you can talk to your DS office and security and have them post reminders, but I would be willing to bet that the issue of chairs sticking out in your way is not going to be resolved any time soon. I have a guide dog now so she just takes me around the chairs or stop so I can nudge the chair out of our path, but when I was using a cane, all I had to do was nudge the chair in a little bit and I would have room to go on my merry way. You could try this simple solution to see if it fixes your problem before tackling other people's lack of courtesy. I also want to remind you that you're not going to have a DS office or a chief of security that you could run to in the real world when people don't have chairs pushed in. Cheers, Minh On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Tyler, > As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what > we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't want > to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs for me > for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand where you are > coming from and I respect your opinion. > Sincerely, > Nathan Clark > > On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear Tyler, >> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can >> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the >> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall and >> in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like >> you thought it was. >> >> Sincerely, >> Nathan >> >> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with >>> security. >>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. >>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so >>> you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe >>> regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, find >>> each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I >>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand and >>> it works out pretty well. >>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending on >>> the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. >>> >>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>> Dear Nabs, >>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this >>>> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where >>>> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. >>>> >>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost >>>> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where >>>> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My >>>> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a >>>> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and >>>> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with >>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up >>>> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my >>>> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The >>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard >>>> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she >>>> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem >>>> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the >>>> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. >>>> >>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just >>>> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring >>>> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were >>>> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said >>>> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >>>> problem. >>>> >>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has >>>> happened to other people on the list? >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Nathan Clark >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Take care, >>> Ty >>> http://tds-solutions.net >>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >>> that >>> dares not reason is a slave. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Thu Sep 19 23:00:12 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:00:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Suzanne, I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself as being blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to identifying you as blind or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various places you find challenging when using your vision alone. I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not quite sure if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can still see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because apparently I was looking this person directly in the eyes from across the room. I could barely make out the general outline of this person given the distance and the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any details of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still questioned my ability to see. I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can experiment to see which technique works best for you. I know you have concerns about placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a smaller bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or perhaps you could try using one of those water bottles that you can strap on your back like a backpack. I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I really like the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to other canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I believe there is an application form on the NFB website you can fill out to get a free white cane. However, I also understand making the transition to a long white cane can be difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has been something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are still in that stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in your life, then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a chair available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of the conversation. Warm regards, Elizabe -------------------------------------------------- From: "Suzanne Germano" Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the engineering > tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. these > are tables that hold 6-8 people. > > Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say > for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an > empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you > don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the > question. > > Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable > just > walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just > off > to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering what > the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. > > I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no > one > understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they > think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > techniques? > > I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly > for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get > the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like > what bus is this > > Suzanne > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From sgermano at asu.edu Thu Sep 19 23:03:47 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:03:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: <001901ceb567$72477e30$56d67a90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the input On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Jamie P. wrote: > I didn't use a white cane for years growing up, and didn't start until I > was almost out of high school. Now, in college, there are rare occasions > when I go without my cane and know what you mean by having to walk up and > down the rows of tables to find an empty seat. There are a few things that > I do, whether I have my cane or not, that have worked for me. > > 1. Walk up and down the rows. I used to worry that people were staring at > me and thought I looked stupid, or creepy, too, but have learned that most > often, no one notices. I've even known sightlings who do the same thing > when they're looking for seats in a crowded place. > > 2. Just walk past the end of each row. Stop and ask someone seated at the > end "Excuse me, are there any empty seats in this row?" A simple yes or no > question is easier for a lot of people than finding a seat for you. If they > say yes, walk down the row until you find it. If they say no, try another > row. > > 3. If you need to ask someone to just find you a seat, say something like > "Excuse me, can you please help me find an empty seat? I can't see well and > don't want to distract people." At that point, they shouldn't have any > questions for you. > > Best, > > Jamie > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > > Not sure. I already have a lunch box on it. I can't bring smaller than > half > > gallon because I am gone for 12 hours on Tuesday and thursday and really > > don't want to pay for water. I swear I need an assistant to help carry > all > > my stuff lol. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Anjelina Cruz > >wrote: > > > > > Could a bigger thermos attach to your bag so you'd have a hand free > > > for a lightweight id cane? > > > > > > On 9/19/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > > > It would be very difficult I use a roller bag because I carry 30lbs > of > > > > equipment with me portable cctv, laptop etc and then I have to bring > > 1/2 > > > > gallon of water in the other hand since I am on the surface of the > sun > > in > > > > phoenix. I tried a backback but there is not one big enough for all > the > > > > crap I bring. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM, justin williams < > > > > justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Carry a cane would be my answer. Without it, it is diffidult to > > > indentify > > > >> you as visually impaired. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Suzanne > > > >> Germano > > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM > > > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > > > >> > > > >> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the > > > >> engineering > > > >> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. > > > >> these > > > >> are tables that hold 6-8 people. > > > >> > > > >> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you > > say > > > >> for > > > >> example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an > > empty > > > >> seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you > > > >> don't > > > >> look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the > > question. > > > >> > > > >> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very > uncomfortable > > > >> just > > > >> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when > > just > > > >> off > > > >> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering > > > what > > > >> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. > > > >> > > > >> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and > > no > > > >> one > > > >> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like > > they > > > >> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > > > >> techniques? > > > >> > > > >> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and > > partly > > > >> for > > > >> mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS > get > > > >> the > > > >> comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question > like > > > >> what > > > >> bus is this > > > >> > > > >> Suzanne > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > > > >> nabs-l: > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > > > >> .com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > > > >> nabs-l: > > > >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > > nabs-l: > > > > > > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Anjelina > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From kaybaycar at gmail.com Thu Sep 19 23:38:15 2013 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:38:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Suzanne, Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer and understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first things I did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water cooler water is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it will be a real treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of water and have a hand free. Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend it. It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker if you're in a cafeteria setting. I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > Hello Suzanne, > > I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself as being > blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to identifying you as blind > > or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various places > you find challenging when using your vision alone. > > I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not quite sure > > if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can still > see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because apparently I was > looking this person directly in the eyes from across the room. I could > barely make out the general outline of this person given the distance and > the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any details > of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still questioned my ability > > to see. > > I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can experiment > to see which technique works best for you. I know you have concerns about > placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a smaller > bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or perhaps you could > try using one of those water bottles that you can strap on your back like a > > backpack. > > I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I really like > > the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to other > canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I believe > there is an application form on the NFB website you can fill out to get a > free white cane. > > However, I also understand making the transition to a long white cane can be > > difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has been > something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are still in that > > stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in your life, > > then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a chair > available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of the > conversation. > > Warm regards, > Elizabe > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Suzanne Germano" > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > >> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >> engineering >> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. >> these >> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >> >> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say >> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an >> empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of >> "you >> don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the >> question. >> >> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable >> just >> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just >> off >> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering what >> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. >> >> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no >> one >> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they >> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good >> techniques? >> >> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly >> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS >> get >> the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question >> like >> what bus is this >> >> Suzanne >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 00:44:43 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:44:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Suzanne, I agree with everyone else re: using a cane. I think it makes these kinds of situations a lot less awkward. People might still wonder why you are using a cane if you can see some things, but I always feel like those wonderings are other people's problem, not mine. If someone is really curious they will ask and it will become a good educational opportunity. My strategy for finding a seat is to come up to a table that sounds quiet and gently touch the back of the first chair. If it feels like it is empty, I then gently reach out a little more toward the front to confirm the chair is empty. If it is taken, then I walk to the next chair and check that one, or ask the person occupying the first seat if other seats at their table are open. I have never had problems with that method and since I use a cane, there's no weirdness about why I'm asking the question. I also think your roller-bag situation sounds unnecessarily obnoxious. I am wondering if you could switch from the portable CCTV to a more compact solution like speech software or screen magnification on your laptop or screen enlargement and speech on an I-device? Arielle On 9/19/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Suzanne, > > Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer and > understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first things I > did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water cooler water > is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it will be a real > treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of water and have a > hand free. > > Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, > finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some > vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when > looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, > wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend it. > It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker if > you're in a cafeteria setting. > > I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. > > On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: >> Hello Suzanne, >> >> I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself as >> being >> blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to identifying you as >> blind >> >> or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various >> places >> you find challenging when using your vision alone. >> >> I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not quite >> sure >> >> if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can still >> see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because apparently I >> was >> looking this person directly in the eyes from across the room. I could >> barely make out the general outline of this person given the distance and >> the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any >> details >> of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still questioned my >> ability >> >> to see. >> >> I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can >> experiment >> to see which technique works best for you. I know you have concerns about >> placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a smaller >> bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or perhaps you >> could >> try using one of those water bottles that you can strap on your back like >> a >> >> backpack. >> >> I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I really >> like >> >> the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to other >> canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I believe >> there is an application form on the NFB website you can fill out to get a >> free white cane. >> >> However, I also understand making the transition to a long white cane can >> be >> >> difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has been >> something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are still in >> that >> >> stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in your >> life, >> >> then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a chair >> available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of the >> conversation. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabe >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Suzanne Germano" >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >> >>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >>> engineering >>> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. >>> these >>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >>> >>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say >>> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an >>> empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of >>> "you >>> don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the >>> question. >>> >>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable >>> just >>> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just >>> off >>> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering >>> what >>> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. >>> >>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no >>> one >>> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they >>> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good >>> techniques? >>> >>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly >>> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS >>> get >>> the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question >>> like >>> what bus is this >>> >>> Suzanne >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 00:52:02 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:52:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: Hi Nathan and all, I think there's something to say for only getting your disability office involved in matters that are serious and those that directly involve blindness. We all agree that chairs being left out are a nuisance, and they make orientation a little tougher, but they don't pose a safety hazard to blind folks who are using canes or dogs. I don't think the problem is serious enough to involve campus security. Jamie's redesign idea does sound nice for people with all kinds of disabilities, but I don't think the issue is as important as those involving campus website accessibility, for example. Nathan, I think you are a cane user, but if you're not I would encourage you to use a cane at least while you are in the café. It might help to get a little orientation through the café and, in particular, pay attention to sound cues that will help you find your way to the room you're trying to find even if the messy chairs cause you to lose your bearings. Best, Arielle On 9/19/13, minh ha wrote: > Nathan, > > There's a big difference between educating the sighted public about > what we need as blind individuals and changing bad habits. Yes, you > can talk to your DS office and security and have them post reminders, > but I would be willing to bet that the issue of chairs sticking out in > your way is not going to be resolved any time soon. I have a guide dog > now so she just takes me around the chairs or stop so I can nudge the > chair out of our path, but when I was using a cane, all I had to do > was nudge the chair in a little bit and I would have room to go on my > merry way. You could try this simple solution to see if it fixes your > problem before tackling other people's lack of courtesy. I also want > to remind you that you're not going to have a DS office or a chief of > security that you could run to in the real world when people don't > have chairs pushed in. > > Cheers, > Minh > > > On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear Tyler, >> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what >> we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't want >> to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs for me >> for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand where you are >> coming from and I respect your opinion. >> Sincerely, >> Nathan Clark >> >> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> Dear Tyler, >>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can >>> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the >>> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall and >>> in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like >>> you thought it was. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Nathan >>> >>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with >>>> security. >>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. >>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so >>>> you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe >>>> regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, >>>> find >>>> each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I >>>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand and >>>> it works out pretty well. >>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending on >>>> the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. >>>> >>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>>> Dear Nabs, >>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this >>>>> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where >>>>> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. >>>>> >>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost >>>>> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where >>>>> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My >>>>> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a >>>>> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and >>>>> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with >>>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up >>>>> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my >>>>> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The >>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard >>>>> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she >>>>> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem >>>>> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the >>>>> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. >>>>> >>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just >>>>> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring >>>>> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were >>>>> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said >>>>> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >>>>> problem. >>>>> >>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has >>>>> happened to other people on the list? >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Nathan Clark >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Take care, >>>> Ty >>>> http://tds-solutions.net >>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >>>> that >>>> dares not reason is a slave. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 01:30:14 2013 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (ryan bishop) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:30:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001ceb5a0$f5e20bf0$e1a623d0$@gmail.com> Hi guys, I agree with Arielle and others on this. I myself used to not take a cane with me places, but a couple of years ago, I got kinda tired of all the things people would say so I brought my cane along. It does make situations a lot better. As for looking for seats, well I agree with Arielle on that as well, asking and lightly touching the back of a chair does help a lot. Best, Ryan Bishop -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:45 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog Hi Suzanne, I agree with everyone else re: using a cane. I think it makes these kinds of situations a lot less awkward. People might still wonder why you are using a cane if you can see some things, but I always feel like those wonderings are other people's problem, not mine. If someone is really curious they will ask and it will become a good educational opportunity. My strategy for finding a seat is to come up to a table that sounds quiet and gently touch the back of the first chair. If it feels like it is empty, I then gently reach out a little more toward the front to confirm the chair is empty. If it is taken, then I walk to the next chair and check that one, or ask the person occupying the first seat if other seats at their table are open. I have never had problems with that method and since I use a cane, there's no weirdness about why I'm asking the question. I also think your roller-bag situation sounds unnecessarily obnoxious. I am wondering if you could switch from the portable CCTV to a more compact solution like speech software or screen magnification on your laptop or screen enlargement and speech on an I-device? Arielle On 9/19/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Suzanne, > > Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer and > understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first things I > did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water cooler water > is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it will be a real > treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of water and have a > hand free. > > Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, > finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some > vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when > looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, > wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend it. > It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker if > you're in a cafeteria setting. > > I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. > > On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: >> Hello Suzanne, >> >> I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself as >> being blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to identifying >> you as blind >> >> or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various >> places you find challenging when using your vision alone. >> >> I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not >> quite sure >> >> if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can >> still see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because >> apparently I was looking this person directly in the eyes from across >> the room. I could barely make out the general outline of this person >> given the distance and the lighting conditions much less be able to >> visually identify any details of this person. However, nonetheless, >> the person still questioned my ability >> >> to see. >> >> I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can >> experiment to see which technique works best for you. I know you have >> concerns about placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried >> using a smaller bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? >> Or perhaps you could try using one of those water bottles that you >> can strap on your back like a >> >> backpack. >> >> I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I >> really like >> >> the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to >> other canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, >> I believe there is an application form on the NFB website you can >> fill out to get a free white cane. >> >> However, I also understand making the transition to a long white cane >> can be >> >> difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has been >> something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are still >> in that >> >> stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in your >> life, >> >> then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a >> chair available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out >> of the conversation. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabe >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Suzanne Germano" >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >> >>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >>> engineering tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an >>> empty seat is. >>> these >>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >>> >>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you >>> say for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me >>> where an empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song >>> and dance of "you don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but >>> rarely answer the question. >>> >>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very >>> uncomfortable just walking up and down between all the tables >>> looking for a spot when just off to the side I may have missed one. >>> I feel like everyone is wondering what the hell I am doing and >>> thinking I look stupid. >>> >>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and >>> no one understanding legally blind and I should just get over >>> feeling like they think I look stupid. But in the meantime does >>> anyone have any good techniques? >>> >>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and >>> partly for mobility but I still had issues with people because I >>> would ALWAYS get the comment "Your not blind" They could never just >>> answer my question like what bus is this >>> >>> Suzanne >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotm >>> ail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only > Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have > eternal life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.co m From sgermano at asu.edu Fri Sep 20 01:59:03 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 18:59:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The cctv which is only 5lbs of what I carry is to see the board. I do not use it for reading. I have the books on my laptop. It is a million times better than using a monocular or mini binoculars. It fold up fairly small. In addition to my magnilink student pro cctv, I also have a17 inch macbook, ti84 calculator, 4 pairs of glasses (all of which I need for various light and/or distance, mini binoculars, candy grip 5 inch cctv, notepad for taking notes, small bag with contacts lenses, solutions etc, 1.5 inch binder with my notes, 2 monoculars, labcoat on wednesdays.... Plus I bring 3 meals with me. There is literally nothing I could do without. I have used my vision my entire life I would have to drop out of school and take time to become proficient in speech. I was never good with audio books. I am a visual learner. I can do large print. I do read with the cctv at home because I have a 27 inch monitor and it is so much faster when I can get more on the screen! I can see available spot at table right near me. I just don't know if there are spots across the room if the first table are full without walking all around. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Arielle Silverman < Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: > Hi Suzanne, > > I agree with everyone else re: using a cane. I think it makes these > kinds of situations a lot less awkward. People might still wonder why > you are using a cane if you can see some things, but I always feel > like those wonderings are other people's problem, not mine. If someone > is really curious they will ask and it will become a good educational > opportunity. > > My strategy for finding a seat is to come up to a table that sounds > quiet and gently touch the back of the first chair. If it feels like > it is empty, I then gently reach out a little more toward the front to > confirm the chair is empty. If it is taken, then I walk to the next > chair and check that one, or ask the person occupying the first seat > if other seats at their table are open. I have never had problems with > that method and since I use a cane, there's no weirdness about why I'm > asking the question. > I also think your roller-bag situation sounds unnecessarily obnoxious. > I am wondering if you could switch from the portable CCTV to a more > compact solution like speech software or screen magnification on your > laptop or screen enlargement and speech on an I-device? > > Arielle > > On 9/19/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > > Hi Suzanne, > > > > Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer and > > understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first things I > > did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water cooler water > > is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it will be a real > > treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of water and have a > > hand free. > > > > Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, > > finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some > > vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when > > looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, > > wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend it. > > It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker if > > you're in a cafeteria setting. > > > > I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. > > > > On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > >> Hello Suzanne, > >> > >> I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself as > >> being > >> blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to identifying you as > >> blind > >> > >> or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various > >> places > >> you find challenging when using your vision alone. > >> > >> I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not quite > >> sure > >> > >> if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can still > >> see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because apparently I > >> was > >> looking this person directly in the eyes from across the room. I could > >> barely make out the general outline of this person given the distance > and > >> the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any > >> details > >> of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still questioned my > >> ability > >> > >> to see. > >> > >> I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can > >> experiment > >> to see which technique works best for you. I know you have concerns > about > >> placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a smaller > >> bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or perhaps you > >> could > >> try using one of those water bottles that you can strap on your back > like > >> a > >> > >> backpack. > >> > >> I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I really > >> like > >> > >> the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to > other > >> canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I believe > >> there is an application form on the NFB website you can fill out to get > a > >> free white cane. > >> > >> However, I also understand making the transition to a long white cane > can > >> be > >> > >> difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has been > >> something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are still in > >> that > >> > >> stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in your > >> life, > >> > >> then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a > chair > >> available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of the > >> conversation. > >> > >> Warm regards, > >> Elizabe > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Suzanne Germano" > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > >> > >>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the > >>> engineering > >>> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. > >>> these > >>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. > >>> > >>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you > say > >>> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an > >>> empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of > >>> "you > >>> don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the > >>> question. > >>> > >>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable > >>> just > >>> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just > >>> off > >>> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering > >>> what > >>> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. > >>> > >>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no > >>> one > >>> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like > they > >>> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > >>> techniques? > >>> > >>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and > partly > >>> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS > >>> get > >>> the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question > >>> like > >>> what bus is this > >>> > >>> Suzanne > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Julie McG > > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > > life." > > John 3:16 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From sparklylicious at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 02:11:17 2013 From: sparklylicious at gmail.com (Hannah Chadwick) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:11:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901ceb5a6$b1f3da30$15db8e90$@gmail.com> Suzanne, Wow, that sounds like quite a load! I've found that most people tend to mind their own business so they probably won't even notice you walking across the room to find a seat. Also, my school has a ton of eating places so I don't have to bring meals with me. Is this something you could try? That way your bag would be much lighter. Hope this helps. hannah -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog The cctv which is only 5lbs of what I carry is to see the board. I do not use it for reading. I have the books on my laptop. It is a million times better than using a monocular or mini binoculars. It fold up fairly small. In addition to my magnilink student pro cctv, I also have a17 inch macbook, ti84 calculator, 4 pairs of glasses (all of which I need for various light and/or distance, mini binoculars, candy grip 5 inch cctv, notepad for taking notes, small bag with contacts lenses, solutions etc, 1.5 inch binder with my notes, 2 monoculars, labcoat on wednesdays.... Plus I bring 3 meals with me. There is literally nothing I could do without. I have used my vision my entire life I would have to drop out of school and take time to become proficient in speech. I was never good with audio books. I am a visual learner. I can do large print. I do read with the cctv at home because I have a 27 inch monitor and it is so much faster when I can get more on the screen! I can see available spot at table right near me. I just don't know if there are spots across the room if the first table are full without walking all around. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Arielle Silverman < Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: > Hi Suzanne, > > I agree with everyone else re: using a cane. I think it makes these > kinds of situations a lot less awkward. People might still wonder why > you are using a cane if you can see some things, but I always feel > like those wonderings are other people's problem, not mine. If someone > is really curious they will ask and it will become a good educational > opportunity. > > My strategy for finding a seat is to come up to a table that sounds > quiet and gently touch the back of the first chair. If it feels like > it is empty, I then gently reach out a little more toward the front to > confirm the chair is empty. If it is taken, then I walk to the next > chair and check that one, or ask the person occupying the first seat > if other seats at their table are open. I have never had problems with > that method and since I use a cane, there's no weirdness about why I'm > asking the question. > I also think your roller-bag situation sounds unnecessarily obnoxious. > I am wondering if you could switch from the portable CCTV to a more > compact solution like speech software or screen magnification on your > laptop or screen enlargement and speech on an I-device? > > Arielle > > On 9/19/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > > Hi Suzanne, > > > > Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer > > and understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first > > things I did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water > > cooler water is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it > > will be a real treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of > > water and have a hand free. > > > > Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, > > finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some > > vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when > > looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, > > wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend it. > > It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker > > if you're in a cafeteria setting. > > > > I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. > > > > On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > >> Hello Suzanne, > >> > >> I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself > >> as being blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to > >> identifying you as blind > >> > >> or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various > >> places you find challenging when using your vision alone. > >> > >> I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not > >> quite sure > >> > >> if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can > >> still see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because > >> apparently I was looking this person directly in the eyes from > >> across the room. I could barely make out the general outline of > >> this person given the distance > and > >> the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any > >> details of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still > >> questioned my ability > >> > >> to see. > >> > >> I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can > >> experiment to see which technique works best for you. I know you > >> have concerns > about > >> placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a > >> smaller bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or > >> perhaps you could try using one of those water bottles that you can > >> strap on your back > like > >> a > >> > >> backpack. > >> > >> I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I > >> really like > >> > >> the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to > other > >> canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I > >> believe there is an application form on the NFB website you can > >> fill out to get > a > >> free white cane. > >> > >> However, I also understand making the transition to a long white > >> cane > can > >> be > >> > >> difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has > >> been something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are > >> still in that > >> > >> stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in > >> your life, > >> > >> then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a > chair > >> available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of > >> the conversation. > >> > >> Warm regards, > >> Elizabe > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Suzanne Germano" > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > >> > >>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the > >>> engineering tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an > >>> empty seat is. > >>> these > >>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. > >>> > >>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if > >>> you > say > >>> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me > >>> where an empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song > >>> and dance of "you don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" > >>> but rarely answer the question. > >>> > >>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very > >>> uncomfortable just walking up and down between all the tables > >>> looking for a spot when just off to the side I may have missed > >>> one. I feel like everyone is wondering what the hell I am doing > >>> and thinking I look stupid. > >>> > >>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased > >>> and no one understanding legally blind and I should just get over > >>> feeling like > they > >>> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > >>> techniques? > >>> > >>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and > partly > >>> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would > >>> ALWAYS get the comment "Your not blind" They could never just > >>> answer my question like what bus is this > >>> > >>> Suzanne > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmai > l.com > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail. > com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Julie McG > > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his > > only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but > > may have eternal life." > > John 3:16 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious%40gmail.c om From sgermano at asu.edu Fri Sep 20 02:19:08 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:19:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: <000901ceb5a6$b1f3da30$15db8e90$@gmail.com> References: <000901ceb5a6$b1f3da30$15db8e90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am/was a competitive bodybuilder so I eat planned calories and macros. Years ago I used to be very over weight and I have hypothyroidsim so I have to watch exactly how much I eat. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote: > Suzanne, > Wow, that sounds like quite a load! I've found that most people tend to > mind > their own business so they probably won't even notice you walking across > the > room to find a seat. Also, my school has a ton of eating places so I don't > have to bring meals with me. Is this something you could try? That way your > bag would be much lighter. > Hope this helps. > hannah > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > Germano > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > > The cctv which is only 5lbs of what I carry is to see the board. I do not > use it for reading. I have the books on my laptop. It is a million times > better than using a monocular or mini binoculars. It fold up fairly small. > > In addition to my magnilink student pro cctv, I also have a17 inch macbook, > ti84 calculator, 4 pairs of glasses (all of which I need for various light > and/or distance, mini binoculars, candy grip 5 inch cctv, notepad for > taking > notes, small bag with contacts lenses, solutions etc, 1.5 inch binder with > my notes, 2 monoculars, labcoat on wednesdays.... Plus I bring > 3 meals with me. There is literally nothing I could do without. > > I have used my vision my entire life I would have to drop out of school and > take time to become proficient in speech. I was never good with audio > books. > I am a visual learner. I can do large print. > > I do read with the cctv at home because I have a 27 inch monitor and it is > so much faster when I can get more on the screen! > > I can see available spot at table right near me. I just don't know if there > are spots across the room if the first table are full without walking all > around. > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Arielle Silverman < > Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: > > > Hi Suzanne, > > > > I agree with everyone else re: using a cane. I think it makes these > > kinds of situations a lot less awkward. People might still wonder why > > you are using a cane if you can see some things, but I always feel > > like those wonderings are other people's problem, not mine. If someone > > is really curious they will ask and it will become a good educational > > opportunity. > > > > My strategy for finding a seat is to come up to a table that sounds > > quiet and gently touch the back of the first chair. If it feels like > > it is empty, I then gently reach out a little more toward the front to > > confirm the chair is empty. If it is taken, then I walk to the next > > chair and check that one, or ask the person occupying the first seat > > if other seats at their table are open. I have never had problems with > > that method and since I use a cane, there's no weirdness about why I'm > > asking the question. > > I also think your roller-bag situation sounds unnecessarily obnoxious. > > I am wondering if you could switch from the portable CCTV to a more > > compact solution like speech software or screen magnification on your > > laptop or screen enlargement and speech on an I-device? > > > > Arielle > > > > On 9/19/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > > > Hi Suzanne, > > > > > > Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer > > > and understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first > > > things I did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water > > > cooler water is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it > > > will be a real treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of > > > water and have a hand free. > > > > > > Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, > > > finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some > > > vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when > > > looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, > > > wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend it. > > > It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker > > > if you're in a cafeteria setting. > > > > > > I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. > > > > > > On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > > >> Hello Suzanne, > > >> > > >> I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself > > >> as being blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to > > >> identifying you as blind > > >> > > >> or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various > > >> places you find challenging when using your vision alone. > > >> > > >> I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not > > >> quite sure > > >> > > >> if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can > > >> still see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because > > >> apparently I was looking this person directly in the eyes from > > >> across the room. I could barely make out the general outline of > > >> this person given the distance > > and > > >> the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any > > >> details of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still > > >> questioned my ability > > >> > > >> to see. > > >> > > >> I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can > > >> experiment to see which technique works best for you. I know you > > >> have concerns > > about > > >> placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a > > >> smaller bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or > > >> perhaps you could try using one of those water bottles that you can > > >> strap on your back > > like > > >> a > > >> > > >> backpack. > > >> > > >> I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I > > >> really like > > >> > > >> the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to > > other > > >> canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I > > >> believe there is an application form on the NFB website you can > > >> fill out to get > > a > > >> free white cane. > > >> > > >> However, I also understand making the transition to a long white > > >> cane > > can > > >> be > > >> > > >> difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has > > >> been something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are > > >> still in that > > >> > > >> stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in > > >> your life, > > >> > > >> then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a > > chair > > >> available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of > > >> the conversation. > > >> > > >> Warm regards, > > >> Elizabe > > >> > > >> -------------------------------------------------- > > >> From: "Suzanne Germano" > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM > > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > >> > > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > > >> > > >>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the > > >>> engineering tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an > > >>> empty seat is. > > >>> these > > >>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. > > >>> > > >>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if > > >>> you > > say > > >>> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me > > >>> where an empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song > > >>> and dance of "you don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" > > >>> but rarely answer the question. > > >>> > > >>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very > > >>> uncomfortable just walking up and down between all the tables > > >>> looking for a spot when just off to the side I may have missed > > >>> one. I feel like everyone is wondering what the hell I am doing > > >>> and thinking I look stupid. > > >>> > > >>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased > > >>> and no one understanding legally blind and I should just get over > > >>> feeling like > > they > > >>> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > > >>> techniques? > > >>> > > >>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and > > partly > > >>> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would > > >>> ALWAYS get the comment "Your not blind" They could never just > > >>> answer my question like what bus is this > > >>> > > >>> Suzanne > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> nabs-l mailing list > > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > >>> for > > >>> nabs-l: > > >>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmai > > l.com > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > >> for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail. > > com > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Julie McG > > > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > > > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > > > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > > > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his > > > only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but > > > may have eternal life." > > > John 3:16 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > > com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From annajee82 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 02:33:16 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 21:33:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63282AE5-B635-4601-97AA-E999715A0AAE@gmail.com> It seems to me like you are carrying way too much. You say you can't go without any of it. I understand, I used to be like that. I got tired of it. Relying on my vision just got too exhausting after a while, having to have kinds of extra equipment and different things for each part of the day. But that is my experience. I do understand not wanting to and feeling like you don't have the time to learn other ways of doing things. It really is up to you, although I am quite certain that in the end, you would feel much better about it and yourself. But I will say, It doesn't seem to me like walking up and down every row of tables is a big deal. Do what you gotta do, and use the techniques described by others. Anna E Givens On Sep 19, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the engineering > tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. these > are tables that hold 6-8 people. > > Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say > for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an > empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you > don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the > question. > > Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable just > walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just off > to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering what > the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. > > I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no one > understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they > think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > techniques? > > I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly > for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get > the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like > what bus is this > > Suzanne > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 02:43:01 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 22:43:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging Message-ID: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated in the course? Thank you! Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050 Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 02:45:14 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 20:45:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: <63282AE5-B635-4601-97AA-E999715A0AAE@gmail.com> References: <63282AE5-B635-4601-97AA-E999715A0AAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: I understand what you mean about not wanting to take time off to learn speech technology, but I'm thinking that maybe there is a lighter-weight way to combine the speech and the large print, like on your laptop or an Ipad with a wireless keyboard. Also I am wondering if you can ask your instructors to send you the notes from the board by email so you can review them on your laptop rather than needing the CCTV. Personally as a blind college student, I found the boardwork to almost always be totally redundant with what was being said verbally, and so usually wasn't necessary for me to follow closely. What are the binoculars and monocular used for? It seems there might be a more compact replacement for those too. Arielle On 9/19/13, Anna Givens wrote: > It seems to me like you are carrying way too much. You say you can't go > without any of it. I understand, I used to be like that. I got tired of > it. Relying on my vision just got too exhausting after a while, having to > have kinds of extra equipment and different things for each part of the day. > > But that is my experience. > I do understand not wanting to and feeling like you don't have the time to > learn other ways of doing things. It really is up to you, although I am > quite certain that in the end, you would feel much better about it and > yourself. > But I will say, It doesn't seem to me like walking up and down every row of > tables is a big deal. Do what you gotta do, and use the techniques > described by others. > > Anna E Givens > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > >> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >> engineering >> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. >> these >> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >> >> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say >> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an >> empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of >> "you >> don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the >> question. >> >> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable >> just >> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just >> off >> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering what >> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. >> >> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no >> one >> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they >> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good >> techniques? >> >> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly >> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS >> get >> the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question >> like >> what bus is this >> >> Suzanne >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 02:45:41 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 22:45:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002001ceb5ab$7fe9d8f0$7fbd8ad0$@gmail.com> Sounds like you do have quite a load, and that it is working for you. How about a telescope cane that you use only in that situation? Could you manage that? Another suggestion is to move the chair with your foot to see if it is occupied. That's slow and a little cumbersome , but I have used it before. Maybe another way of subtly nudging the chair. You could maybe try a binocular in situations like that. The cane and binocular are just if you have a hand free. You could wear the binocular around your neck or something like that. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog The cctv which is only 5lbs of what I carry is to see the board. I do not use it for reading. I have the books on my laptop. It is a million times better than using a monocular or mini binoculars. It fold up fairly small. In addition to my magnilink student pro cctv, I also have a17 inch macbook, ti84 calculator, 4 pairs of glasses (all of which I need for various light and/or distance, mini binoculars, candy grip 5 inch cctv, notepad for taking notes, small bag with contacts lenses, solutions etc, 1.5 inch binder with my notes, 2 monoculars, labcoat on wednesdays.... Plus I bring 3 meals with me. There is literally nothing I could do without. I have used my vision my entire life I would have to drop out of school and take time to become proficient in speech. I was never good with audio books. I am a visual learner. I can do large print. I do read with the cctv at home because I have a 27 inch monitor and it is so much faster when I can get more on the screen! I can see available spot at table right near me. I just don't know if there are spots across the room if the first table are full without walking all around. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Arielle Silverman < Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: > Hi Suzanne, > > I agree with everyone else re: using a cane. I think it makes these > kinds of situations a lot less awkward. People might still wonder why > you are using a cane if you can see some things, but I always feel > like those wonderings are other people's problem, not mine. If someone > is really curious they will ask and it will become a good educational > opportunity. > > My strategy for finding a seat is to come up to a table that sounds > quiet and gently touch the back of the first chair. If it feels like > it is empty, I then gently reach out a little more toward the front to > confirm the chair is empty. If it is taken, then I walk to the next > chair and check that one, or ask the person occupying the first seat > if other seats at their table are open. I have never had problems with > that method and since I use a cane, there's no weirdness about why I'm > asking the question. > I also think your roller-bag situation sounds unnecessarily obnoxious. > I am wondering if you could switch from the portable CCTV to a more > compact solution like speech software or screen magnification on your > laptop or screen enlargement and speech on an I-device? > > Arielle > > On 9/19/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > > Hi Suzanne, > > > > Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer > > and understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first > > things I did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water > > cooler water is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it > > will be a real treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of > > water and have a hand free. > > > > Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, > > finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some > > vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when > > looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, > > wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend it. > > It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker > > if you're in a cafeteria setting. > > > > I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. > > > > On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > >> Hello Suzanne, > >> > >> I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself > >> as being blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to > >> identifying you as blind > >> > >> or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various > >> places you find challenging when using your vision alone. > >> > >> I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not > >> quite sure > >> > >> if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can > >> still see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because > >> apparently I was looking this person directly in the eyes from > >> across the room. I could barely make out the general outline of > >> this person given the distance > and > >> the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any > >> details of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still > >> questioned my ability > >> > >> to see. > >> > >> I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can > >> experiment to see which technique works best for you. I know you > >> have concerns > about > >> placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a > >> smaller bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or > >> perhaps you could try using one of those water bottles that you can > >> strap on your back > like > >> a > >> > >> backpack. > >> > >> I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I > >> really like > >> > >> the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to > other > >> canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I > >> believe there is an application form on the NFB website you can > >> fill out to get > a > >> free white cane. > >> > >> However, I also understand making the transition to a long white > >> cane > can > >> be > >> > >> difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has > >> been something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are > >> still in that > >> > >> stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in > >> your life, > >> > >> then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a > chair > >> available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of > >> the conversation. > >> > >> Warm regards, > >> Elizabe > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Suzanne Germano" > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > >> > >>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the > >>> engineering tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an > >>> empty seat is. > >>> these > >>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. > >>> > >>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if > >>> you > say > >>> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me > >>> where an empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song > >>> and dance of "you don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" > >>> but rarely answer the question. > >>> > >>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very > >>> uncomfortable just walking up and down between all the tables > >>> looking for a spot when just off to the side I may have missed > >>> one. I feel like everyone is wondering what the hell I am doing > >>> and thinking I look stupid. > >>> > >>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased > >>> and no one understanding legally blind and I should just get over > >>> feeling like > they > >>> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > >>> techniques? > >>> > >>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and > partly > >>> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would > >>> ALWAYS get the comment "Your not blind" They could never just > >>> answer my question like what bus is this > >>> > >>> Suzanne > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmai > l.com > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail. > com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Julie McG > > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his > > only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but > > may have eternal life." > > John 3:16 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Sep 20 02:51:34 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 22:51:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B1EB948998245DEA9F1AB4E395309C0@OwnerPC> Suzanne, As someone with low vision too, I have encountered odd questions too. I use a cane all the time in public areas like school, but it does not help in finding empty chairs. Its too bad people cannot tell you where a seat is. I mean if you say you cannot see much and need help, it seems to me that they could simply tell you the information. Gee, I wonder about people sometime. I ask where seats are if I don't see one immediately, but usually there are empty seats in the first few rows I can easily grab. I'd suggest getting to class early. You will have the majority of seats free then and simply grab one. Take a seat at the end of a table if possible; its easier to find. If a seat is not free at the end, just walk down the row of seats to see what is free. As you move among the seats, listen for talking and movement. Often clusters of students sit together and will make some sort of noise. If you hear silence in a certain area, chances are no one is sitting there. If you still have difficulty, talk to the professor. This may not be a popular idea as I know we don't want to look incompetent, but I would not want to feel bad about finding a place to sit. Simply say to the professor you need some guidance and could they point you to a seat or save a seat for you in a certain row. Professors also know what seats fill up first and which ones remain empty. They see a pattern. Knowing this pattern may help you find a chair. I know I definitely try and look independent while walking into class and sitting down. So I go to the first few rows and try and find a seat. If none is free, I move further back. Often I only get a few steps, and the professor tells me where a seat is. I did not have to say anything, but I use a cane so its obvious I have difficulty. I would think a professor would help you with a simple verbal cue if they know you need help. Another option is if you have a friend or acquaintance in class who understands you cannot see, ask them for help and they can tell you where empty seats are. I hope some of this helps. Good luck. Also, you sure have a lot to carry. I don't know how you have the strength to haul it around all day. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the engineering tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. these are tables that hold 6-8 people. Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the question. Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable just walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just off to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering what the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no one understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good techniques? I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like what bus is this Suzanne _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 02:56:08 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 22:56:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a student under your dss office, then you may have a case. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated in the course? Thank you! Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050 Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Sep 20 02:56:05 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 22:56:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ED29D19EB0A401FB64ABF5ED3AA916E@OwnerPC> so, are you saying you have a regular laptop and macbook? If so, why two computers? I'm surprised you don't write notes on the pc. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog The cctv which is only 5lbs of what I carry is to see the board. I do not use it for reading. I have the books on my laptop. It is a million times better than using a monocular or mini binoculars. It fold up fairly small. In addition to my magnilink student pro cctv, I also have a17 inch macbook, ti84 calculator, 4 pairs of glasses (all of which I need for various light and/or distance, mini binoculars, candy grip 5 inch cctv, notepad for taking notes, small bag with contacts lenses, solutions etc, 1.5 inch binder with my notes, 2 monoculars, labcoat on wednesdays.... Plus I bring 3 meals with me. There is literally nothing I could do without. I have used my vision my entire life I would have to drop out of school and take time to become proficient in speech. I was never good with audio books. I am a visual learner. I can do large print. I do read with the cctv at home because I have a 27 inch monitor and it is so much faster when I can get more on the screen! I can see available spot at table right near me. I just don't know if there are spots across the room if the first table are full without walking all around. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Arielle Silverman < Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: > Hi Suzanne, > > I agree with everyone else re: using a cane. I think it makes these > kinds of situations a lot less awkward. People might still wonder why > you are using a cane if you can see some things, but I always feel > like those wonderings are other people's problem, not mine. If someone > is really curious they will ask and it will become a good educational > opportunity. > > My strategy for finding a seat is to come up to a table that sounds > quiet and gently touch the back of the first chair. If it feels like > it is empty, I then gently reach out a little more toward the front to > confirm the chair is empty. If it is taken, then I walk to the next > chair and check that one, or ask the person occupying the first seat > if other seats at their table are open. I have never had problems with > that method and since I use a cane, there's no weirdness about why I'm > asking the question. > I also think your roller-bag situation sounds unnecessarily obnoxious. > I am wondering if you could switch from the portable CCTV to a more > compact solution like speech software or screen magnification on your > laptop or screen enlargement and speech on an I-device? > > Arielle > > On 9/19/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > > Hi Suzanne, > > > > Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer and > > understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first things I > > did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water cooler water > > is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it will be a real > > treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of water and have a > > hand free. > > > > Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, > > finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some > > vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when > > looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, > > wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend it. > > It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker if > > you're in a cafeteria setting. > > > > I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. > > > > On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > >> Hello Suzanne, > >> > >> I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself as > >> being > >> blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to identifying you as > >> blind > >> > >> or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various > >> places > >> you find challenging when using your vision alone. > >> > >> I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not quite > >> sure > >> > >> if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can > >> still > >> see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because apparently I > >> was > >> looking this person directly in the eyes from across the room. I could > >> barely make out the general outline of this person given the distance > and > >> the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any > >> details > >> of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still questioned my > >> ability > >> > >> to see. > >> > >> I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can > >> experiment > >> to see which technique works best for you. I know you have concerns > about > >> placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a smaller > >> bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or perhaps you > >> could > >> try using one of those water bottles that you can strap on your back > like > >> a > >> > >> backpack. > >> > >> I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I really > >> like > >> > >> the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to > other > >> canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I > >> believe > >> there is an application form on the NFB website you can fill out to get > a > >> free white cane. > >> > >> However, I also understand making the transition to a long white cane > can > >> be > >> > >> difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has been > >> something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are still in > >> that > >> > >> stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in your > >> life, > >> > >> then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a > chair > >> available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of the > >> conversation. > >> > >> Warm regards, > >> Elizabe > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Suzanne Germano" > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > >> > >>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the > >>> engineering > >>> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. > >>> these > >>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. > >>> > >>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you > say > >>> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an > >>> empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of > >>> "you > >>> don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the > >>> question. > >>> > >>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable > >>> just > >>> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when > >>> just > >>> off > >>> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering > >>> what > >>> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. > >>> > >>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and > >>> no > >>> one > >>> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like > they > >>> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > >>> techniques? > >>> > >>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and > partly > >>> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS > >>> get > >>> the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question > >>> like > >>> what bus is this > >>> > >>> Suzanne > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Julie McG > > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > > life." > > John 3:16 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 03:08:01 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 23:08:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was registered and requested accommodations. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > > Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that if you > did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under the dss office, > then you can't. However, if you were a student under your dss office, then > you may have a case. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > > Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from their > college transcript because they were not properly accommodated in the > course? > > Thank you! > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050 > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 03:10:23 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 23:10:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging I was registered and requested accommodations. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > > Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that > if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under the > dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a student under your > dss office, then you may have a case. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi > Pompey > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > > Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from > their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated > in the course? > > Thank you! > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050 > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo > .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 03:50:37 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 23:50:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new director now. I asked him, and was told he would look into it. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > > Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > > I was registered and requested accommodations. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >> wrote: >> >> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that >> if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under the >> dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a student under your >> dss office, then you may have a case. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >> Pompey >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >> >> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from >> their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated >> in the course? >> >> Thank you! >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050 >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo >> .com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 03:53:52 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 23:53:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I would really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out your case on paper so he can see what happened. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new director now. I asked him, and was told he would look into it. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > > Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi > Pompey > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > > I was registered and requested accommodations. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >> wrote: >> >> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that >> if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under >> the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a student under >> your dss office, then you may have a case. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >> Pompey >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >> >> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from >> their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated >> in the course? >> >> Thank you! >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050 >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >> 4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >> o >> .com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo > .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From sgermano at asu.edu Fri Sep 20 04:14:18 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 21:14:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: <63282AE5-B635-4601-97AA-E999715A0AAE@gmail.com> References: <63282AE5-B635-4601-97AA-E999715A0AAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: I went to school years ago ( I am 49 now) and I can't believe how much better things are with all the technology I bring. It is more that I feel uncomfortable with what people are thinking. And yes I know I need to not think that way On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > It seems to me like you are carrying way too much. You say you can't go > without any of it. I understand, I used to be like that. I got tired of > it. Relying on my vision just got too exhausting after a while, having to > have kinds of extra equipment and different things for each part of the day. > But that is my experience. > I do understand not wanting to and feeling like you don't have the time to > learn other ways of doing things. It really is up to you, although I am > quite certain that in the end, you would feel much better about it and > yourself. > But I will say, It doesn't seem to me like walking up and down every row > of tables is a big deal. Do what you gotta do, and use the techniques > described by others. > > Anna E Givens > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > > I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the > engineering > > tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. > these > > are tables that hold 6-8 people. > > > > Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say > > for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an > > empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of > "you > > don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the > > question. > > > > Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable > just > > walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just > off > > to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering what > > the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. > > > > I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no > one > > understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they > > think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > > techniques? > > > > I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly > > for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS > get > > the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question > like > > what bus is this > > > > Suzanne > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From sgermano at asu.edu Fri Sep 20 04:30:14 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 21:30:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: <63282AE5-B635-4601-97AA-E999715A0AAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: I need the notes for Calc 3. Like I said I am visual. I draw, I rewrite notes etc That is how I learn. You tell me something and I forget it in 2 seconds. I love how I am doing stuff now. And really just taking the 5lb cctv out wouldn't change what I bring with me by that much. Even reading on my iPad is inefficient compared to large print or my 27 inch monitor. It is so slow having to move the text side to side. I find it extremely frustrating not seeing the entire page and I have had the same vision my entire life so I have found the combo of what works best for me. I even have 4 different pairs of contacts. With Achromatopsia I need filtering from the light and red contacts are best for that. But with many teachers using power points the rooms are too dark for red so I have more of a medium brown. The medium brown also work better for reading. Some people might find it a pain in the butt but I change my contacts 2-4 times a day if I am going to be in very different lighting situations. I have never had my vision as good as it is now and under nearly all conditions. I am extremely happy with how I do my contacts, glasses and technology. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Arielle Silverman < Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: > I understand what you mean about not wanting to take time off to learn > speech technology, but I'm thinking that maybe there is a > lighter-weight way to combine the speech and the large print, like on > your laptop or an Ipad with a wireless keyboard. Also I am wondering > if you can ask your instructors to send you the notes from the board > by email so you can review them on your laptop rather than needing the > CCTV. Personally as a blind college student, I found the boardwork to > almost always be totally redundant with what was being said verbally, > and so usually wasn't necessary for me to follow closely. What are the > binoculars and monocular used for? It seems there might be a more > compact replacement for those too. > > Arielle > > On 9/19/13, Anna Givens wrote: > > It seems to me like you are carrying way too much. You say you can't go > > without any of it. I understand, I used to be like that. I got tired of > > it. Relying on my vision just got too exhausting after a while, having > to > > have kinds of extra equipment and different things for each part of the > day. > > > > But that is my experience. > > I do understand not wanting to and feeling like you don't have the time > to > > learn other ways of doing things. It really is up to you, although I am > > quite certain that in the end, you would feel much better about it and > > yourself. > > But I will say, It doesn't seem to me like walking up and down every row > of > > tables is a big deal. Do what you gotta do, and use the techniques > > described by others. > > > > Anna E Givens > > > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 1:12 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > > >> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the > >> engineering > >> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. > >> these > >> are tables that hold 6-8 people. > >> > >> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say > >> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an > >> empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of > >> "you > >> don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the > >> question. > >> > >> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable > >> just > >> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just > >> off > >> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering > what > >> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. > >> > >> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no > >> one > >> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they > >> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > >> techniques? > >> > >> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly > >> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS > >> get > >> the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question > >> like > >> what bus is this > >> > >> Suzanne > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From sgermano at asu.edu Fri Sep 20 04:31:37 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 21:31:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: <002001ceb5ab$7fe9d8f0$7fbd8ad0$@gmail.com> References: <002001ceb5ab$7fe9d8f0$7fbd8ad0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's true I never thought of whipping out the monocular to scan the room!! One thing I do is walk along the outside windows so I can see th table along that side before I go in. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:45 PM, justin williams wrote: > Sounds like you do have quite a load, and that it is working for you. How > about a telescope cane that you use only in that situation? Could you > manage > that? Another suggestion is to move the chair with your foot to see if it > is occupied. That's slow and a little cumbersome , but I have used it > before. Maybe another way of subtly nudging the chair. You could maybe > try > a binocular in situations like that. The cane and binocular are just if > you have a hand free. You could wear the binocular around your neck or > something like that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > Germano > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > > The cctv which is only 5lbs of what I carry is to see the board. I do not > use it for reading. I have the books on my laptop. It is a million times > better than using a monocular or mini binoculars. It fold up fairly small. > > In addition to my magnilink student pro cctv, I also have a17 inch macbook, > ti84 calculator, 4 pairs of glasses (all of which I need for various light > and/or distance, mini binoculars, candy grip 5 inch cctv, notepad for > taking > notes, small bag with contacts lenses, solutions etc, 1.5 inch binder with > my notes, 2 monoculars, labcoat on wednesdays.... Plus I bring > 3 meals with me. There is literally nothing I could do without. > > I have used my vision my entire life I would have to drop out of school and > take time to become proficient in speech. I was never good with audio > books. > I am a visual learner. I can do large print. > > I do read with the cctv at home because I have a 27 inch monitor and it is > so much faster when I can get more on the screen! > > I can see available spot at table right near me. I just don't know if there > are spots across the room if the first table are full without walking all > around. > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Arielle Silverman < > Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: > > > Hi Suzanne, > > > > I agree with everyone else re: using a cane. I think it makes these > > kinds of situations a lot less awkward. People might still wonder why > > you are using a cane if you can see some things, but I always feel > > like those wonderings are other people's problem, not mine. If someone > > is really curious they will ask and it will become a good educational > > opportunity. > > > > My strategy for finding a seat is to come up to a table that sounds > > quiet and gently touch the back of the first chair. If it feels like > > it is empty, I then gently reach out a little more toward the front to > > confirm the chair is empty. If it is taken, then I walk to the next > > chair and check that one, or ask the person occupying the first seat > > if other seats at their table are open. I have never had problems with > > that method and since I use a cane, there's no weirdness about why I'm > > asking the question. > > I also think your roller-bag situation sounds unnecessarily obnoxious. > > I am wondering if you could switch from the portable CCTV to a more > > compact solution like speech software or screen magnification on your > > laptop or screen enlargement and speech on an I-device? > > > > Arielle > > > > On 9/19/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: > > > Hi Suzanne, > > > > > > Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer > > > and understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first > > > things I did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water > > > cooler water is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it > > > will be a real treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of > > > water and have a hand free. > > > > > > Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, > > > finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some > > > vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when > > > looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, > > > wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend it. > > > It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker > > > if you're in a cafeteria setting. > > > > > > I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. > > > > > > On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > > >> Hello Suzanne, > > >> > > >> I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself > > >> as being blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to > > >> identifying you as blind > > >> > > >> or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various > > >> places you find challenging when using your vision alone. > > >> > > >> I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not > > >> quite sure > > >> > > >> if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can > > >> still see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because > > >> apparently I was looking this person directly in the eyes from > > >> across the room. I could barely make out the general outline of > > >> this person given the distance > > and > > >> the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any > > >> details of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still > > >> questioned my ability > > >> > > >> to see. > > >> > > >> I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can > > >> experiment to see which technique works best for you. I know you > > >> have concerns > > about > > >> placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a > > >> smaller bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or > > >> perhaps you could try using one of those water bottles that you can > > >> strap on your back > > like > > >> a > > >> > > >> backpack. > > >> > > >> I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I > > >> really like > > >> > > >> the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to > > other > > >> canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I > > >> believe there is an application form on the NFB website you can > > >> fill out to get > > a > > >> free white cane. > > >> > > >> However, I also understand making the transition to a long white > > >> cane > > can > > >> be > > >> > > >> difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has > > >> been something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are > > >> still in that > > >> > > >> stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in > > >> your life, > > >> > > >> then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a > > chair > > >> available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of > > >> the conversation. > > >> > > >> Warm regards, > > >> Elizabe > > >> > > >> -------------------------------------------------- > > >> From: "Suzanne Germano" > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM > > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > >> > > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > > >> > > >>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the > > >>> engineering tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an > > >>> empty seat is. > > >>> these > > >>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. > > >>> > > >>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if > > >>> you > > say > > >>> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me > > >>> where an empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song > > >>> and dance of "you don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" > > >>> but rarely answer the question. > > >>> > > >>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very > > >>> uncomfortable just walking up and down between all the tables > > >>> looking for a spot when just off to the side I may have missed > > >>> one. I feel like everyone is wondering what the hell I am doing > > >>> and thinking I look stupid. > > >>> > > >>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased > > >>> and no one understanding legally blind and I should just get over > > >>> feeling like > > they > > >>> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > > >>> techniques? > > >>> > > >>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and > > partly > > >>> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would > > >>> ALWAYS get the comment "Your not blind" They could never just > > >>> answer my question like what bus is this > > >>> > > >>> Suzanne > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> nabs-l mailing list > > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > >>> for > > >>> nabs-l: > > >>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmai > > l.com > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > >> for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail. > > com > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Julie McG > > > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > > > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri > > > Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the > > > Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his > > > only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but > > > may have eternal life." > > > John 3:16 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > > com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 04:36:18 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 00:36:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> I will. Thank you! Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > > Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I would > really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out your case on > paper so he can see what happened. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > > I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new director now. I > asked him, and was told he would look into it. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >> wrote: >> >> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >> Pompey >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >> >> I was registered and requested accommodations. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that >>> if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under >>> the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a student under >>> your dss office, then you may have a case. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>> Pompey >>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>> >>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from >>> their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated >>> in the course? >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050 >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >>> 4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >>> o >>> .com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo >> .com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From sgermano at asu.edu Fri Sep 20 04:37:03 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 21:37:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: <9B1EB948998245DEA9F1AB4E395309C0@OwnerPC> References: <9B1EB948998245DEA9F1AB4E395309C0@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Class isn't the issue, I always get there early because I want front row center. :-) that's where the A people sit and of course I see better. The specific situation is the engineering tutoring center with table of 6-8 people and is just people coming and going form 9 am til 7pm. Most times it is not a problem but when it is busy there might not even be a spot available. I was thinking of contacting them to see if I could just let all the tutors in there know about my vision. I have told them individually when I have asked for help. Of course they don't really get it because they still write small in light pencil so I have to keep reminding them On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Suzanne, > > As someone with low vision too, I have encountered odd questions too. I > use a cane all the time in public areas like school, but it does not help > in finding empty chairs. > > Its too bad people cannot tell you where a seat is. I mean if you say you > cannot see much and need help, it seems to me that they could simply tell > you the information. Gee, I wonder about people sometime. > > I ask where seats are if I don't see one immediately, but usually there > are empty seats in the first few rows I can easily grab. > I'd suggest getting to class early. You will have the majority of seats > free then and simply grab one. Take a seat at the end of a table if > possible; its easier to find. > > If a seat is not free at the end, just walk down the row of seats to see > what is free. > As you move among the seats, listen for talking and movement. Often > clusters of students sit together and will make some sort of noise. > If you hear silence in a certain area, chances are no one is sitting there. > > If you still have difficulty, talk to the professor. This may not be a > popular idea as I know we don't want to look incompetent, but I would not > want to feel bad about finding a place to sit. Simply say to the professor > you need some guidance and could they point you to a seat or save a seat > for you in a certain row. Professors also know what seats fill up first and > which ones remain empty. They see a pattern. > Knowing this pattern may help you find a chair. I know I definitely try > and look independent while walking into class and sitting down. So I go to > the first few rows and try and find a seat. If none is free, I move further > back. Often I only get a few steps, and the professor tells me where a seat > is. > I did not have to say anything, but I use a cane so its obvious I have > difficulty. > I would think a professor would help you with a simple verbal cue if they > know you need help. > > Another option is if you have a friend or acquaintance in class who > understands you cannot see, ask them for help and they can tell you where > empty seats are. > > I hope some of this helps. Good luck. > Also, you sure have a lot to carry. I don't know how you have the strength > to haul it around all day. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > > I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the engineering > tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. these > are tables that hold 6-8 people. > > Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say > for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an > empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you > don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the > question. > > Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable just > walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just off > to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering what > the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. > > I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no one > understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they > think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > techniques? > > I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly > for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get > the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like > what bus is this > > Suzanne > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From sgermano at asu.edu Fri Sep 20 04:38:18 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 21:38:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: <7ED29D19EB0A401FB64ABF5ED3AA916E@OwnerPC> References: <7ED29D19EB0A401FB64ABF5ED3AA916E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: No just the 17 inch macbook and iPad. I will be working on the assignment on the macbook but have the book on the iPad. On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > so, are you saying you have a regular laptop and macbook? If so, why two > computers? > I'm surprised you don't write notes on the pc. > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > > The cctv which is only 5lbs of what I carry is to see the board. I do not > use it for reading. I have the books on my laptop. It is a million times > better than using a monocular or mini binoculars. It fold up fairly small. > > In addition to my magnilink student pro cctv, I also have a17 inch macbook, > ti84 calculator, 4 pairs of glasses (all of which I need for various light > and/or distance, mini binoculars, candy grip 5 inch cctv, notepad for > taking notes, small bag with contacts lenses, solutions etc, 1.5 inch > binder with my notes, 2 monoculars, labcoat on wednesdays.... Plus I bring > 3 meals with me. There is literally nothing I could do without. > > I have used my vision my entire life I would have to drop out of school and > take time to become proficient in speech. I was never good with audio > books. I am a visual learner. I can do large print. > > I do read with the cctv at home because I have a 27 inch monitor and it is > so much faster when I can get more on the screen! > > I can see available spot at table right near me. I just don't know if there > are spots across the room if the first table are full without walking all > around. > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Arielle Silverman < > Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: > > Hi Suzanne, >> >> I agree with everyone else re: using a cane. I think it makes these >> kinds of situations a lot less awkward. People might still wonder why >> you are using a cane if you can see some things, but I always feel >> like those wonderings are other people's problem, not mine. If someone >> is really curious they will ask and it will become a good educational >> opportunity. >> >> My strategy for finding a seat is to come up to a table that sounds >> quiet and gently touch the back of the first chair. If it feels like >> it is empty, I then gently reach out a little more toward the front to >> confirm the chair is empty. If it is taken, then I walk to the next >> chair and check that one, or ask the person occupying the first seat >> if other seats at their table are open. I have never had problems with >> that method and since I use a cane, there's no weirdness about why I'm >> asking the question. >> I also think your roller-bag situation sounds unnecessarily obnoxious. >> I am wondering if you could switch from the portable CCTV to a more >> compact solution like speech software or screen magnification on your >> laptop or screen enlargement and speech on an I-device? >> >> Arielle >> >> On 9/19/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> > Hi Suzanne, >> > >> > Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer and >> > understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first things I >> > did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water cooler water >> > is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it will be a real >> > treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of water and have a >> > hand free. >> > >> > Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, >> > finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some >> > vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when >> > looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, >> > wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend it. >> > It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker if >> > you're in a cafeteria setting. >> > >> > I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. >> > >> > On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: >> >> Hello Suzanne, >> >> >> >> I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself as >> >> being >> >> blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to identifying you as >> >> blind >> >> >> >> or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various >> >> places >> >> you find challenging when using your vision alone. >> >> >> >> I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not quite >> >> sure >> >> >> >> if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can >> >> still >> >> see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because apparently I >> >> was >> >> looking this person directly in the eyes from across the room. I could >> >> barely make out the general outline of this person given the distance >> and >> >> the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any >> >> details >> >> of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still questioned my >> >> ability >> >> >> >> to see. >> >> >> >> I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can >> >> experiment >> >> to see which technique works best for you. I know you have concerns >> about >> >> placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a smaller >> >> bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or perhaps you >> >> could >> >> try using one of those water bottles that you can strap on your back >> like >> >> a >> >> >> >> backpack. >> >> >> >> I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I really >> >> like >> >> >> >> the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to >> other >> >> canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I >> >> believe >> >> there is an application form on the NFB website you can fill out to get >> a >> >> free white cane. >> >> >> >> However, I also understand making the transition to a long white cane >> can >> >> be >> >> >> >> difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has been >> >> something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are still in >> >> that >> >> >> >> stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in your >> >> life, >> >> >> >> then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a >> chair >> >> available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of the >> >> conversation. >> >> >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Elizabe >> >> >> >> ------------------------------**-------------------- >> >> From: "Suzanne Germano" >> >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >> >> >> >>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >> >>> engineering >> >>> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. >> >>> these >> >>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >> >>> >> >>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you >> say >> >>> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an >> >>> empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of >> >>> "you >> >>> don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the >> >>> question. >> >>> >> >>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable >> >>> just >> >>> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when >> >>> just >> >>> off >> >>> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering >> >>> what >> >>> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. >> >>> >> >>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and >> >>> no >> >>> one >> >>> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like >> they >> >>> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good >> >>> techniques? >> >>> >> >>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and >> partly >> >>> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS >> >>> get >> >>> the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question >> >>> like >> >>> what bus is this >> >>> >> >>> Suzanne >> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >>> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Julie McG >> > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >> > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >> > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >> > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >> > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >> > life." >> > John 3:16 >> > >> > ______________________________**_________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> arielle71%40gmail.com >> > >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 04:48:00 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 00:48:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: <7ED29D19EB0A401FB64ABF5ED3AA916E@OwnerPC> References: <7ED29D19EB0A401FB64ABF5ED3AA916E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi, I echo a lot of the suggestions others have said. I use the technique Justin described, moving a chair with my foot. If it moves and/or I hear someone in the chair, or see them with my vision, I know it's taken. If it does move it's free. Some of the classes I go to have really heavy chairs though, and this technique doesn't work because I'd have to kick the chair instead of push it with my foot in order to get it to move. In These cases I ask someone close by if they see any open seats close by. Everyone in my classes has gotten to know me enough by now to not be awkward about answering these questions, even though sometimes they see me use my cane and other times I have it in my bag. Part of my luck with this is that I go to a college which stresses community values and being friendly to everyone, but having friends in your classes definitely helps. Just striking up conversation with people you regularly see around the class will make things a lot easier. E.G, we were doing peer edits of a paper in my English class, and a guy at my table I had not talked to much just spoke up and said, "Hey, if I email you my paper will you be able to peer edit?" Just because he figured that would work and be helpful. Other times people might strike up conversations with you and go, "Here, there's a free seat to my left," just to be helpful and social. I definitely like the telescoping canes. I think they're great for easy access when you need them and portability when you don't. I also am all for condencing things. Have you tried taking notes on your laptop since your books and everything else is on there anyway? That would eliminate the notebook and binder from your load at the very least. A small recorder might also be a better solution. If there is any way you can find a way to store some of your stuff you exclusively use at school there, do it. I am really greatful for my lockers, which reduce my load to a backpack and the occasional instrument or lunch box. On 9/19/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > so, are you saying you have a regular laptop and macbook? If so, why two > computers? > I'm surprised you don't write notes on the pc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > > The cctv which is only 5lbs of what I carry is to see the board. I do not > use it for reading. I have the books on my laptop. It is a million times > better than using a monocular or mini binoculars. It fold up fairly small. > > In addition to my magnilink student pro cctv, I also have a17 inch macbook, > ti84 calculator, 4 pairs of glasses (all of which I need for various light > and/or distance, mini binoculars, candy grip 5 inch cctv, notepad for > taking notes, small bag with contacts lenses, solutions etc, 1.5 inch > binder with my notes, 2 monoculars, labcoat on wednesdays.... Plus I bring > 3 meals with me. There is literally nothing I could do without. > > I have used my vision my entire life I would have to drop out of school and > take time to become proficient in speech. I was never good with audio > books. I am a visual learner. I can do large print. > > I do read with the cctv at home because I have a 27 inch monitor and it is > so much faster when I can get more on the screen! > > I can see available spot at table right near me. I just don't know if there > are spots across the room if the first table are full without walking all > around. > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Arielle Silverman < > Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: > >> Hi Suzanne, >> >> I agree with everyone else re: using a cane. I think it makes these >> kinds of situations a lot less awkward. People might still wonder why >> you are using a cane if you can see some things, but I always feel >> like those wonderings are other people's problem, not mine. If someone >> is really curious they will ask and it will become a good educational >> opportunity. >> >> My strategy for finding a seat is to come up to a table that sounds >> quiet and gently touch the back of the first chair. If it feels like >> it is empty, I then gently reach out a little more toward the front to >> confirm the chair is empty. If it is taken, then I walk to the next >> chair and check that one, or ask the person occupying the first seat >> if other seats at their table are open. I have never had problems with >> that method and since I use a cane, there's no weirdness about why I'm >> asking the question. >> I also think your roller-bag situation sounds unnecessarily obnoxious. >> I am wondering if you could switch from the portable CCTV to a more >> compact solution like speech software or screen magnification on your >> laptop or screen enlargement and speech on an I-device? >> >> Arielle >> >> On 9/19/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> > Hi Suzanne, >> > >> > Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer and >> > understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first things I >> > did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water cooler water >> > is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it will be a real >> > treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of water and have a >> > hand free. >> > >> > Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, >> > finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some >> > vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when >> > looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, >> > wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend it. >> > It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker if >> > you're in a cafeteria setting. >> > >> > I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. >> > >> > On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: >> >> Hello Suzanne, >> >> >> >> I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself as >> >> being >> >> blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to identifying you as >> >> blind >> >> >> >> or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various >> >> places >> >> you find challenging when using your vision alone. >> >> >> >> I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not >> >> quite >> >> sure >> >> >> >> if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can >> >> still >> >> see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because apparently I >> >> was >> >> looking this person directly in the eyes from across the room. I could >> >> barely make out the general outline of this person given the distance >> and >> >> the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any >> >> details >> >> of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still questioned my >> >> ability >> >> >> >> to see. >> >> >> >> I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can >> >> experiment >> >> to see which technique works best for you. I know you have concerns >> about >> >> placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a smaller >> >> bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or perhaps you >> >> could >> >> try using one of those water bottles that you can strap on your back >> like >> >> a >> >> >> >> backpack. >> >> >> >> I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I >> >> really >> >> like >> >> >> >> the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to >> other >> >> canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I >> >> believe >> >> there is an application form on the NFB website you can fill out to >> >> get >> a >> >> free white cane. >> >> >> >> However, I also understand making the transition to a long white cane >> can >> >> be >> >> >> >> difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has been >> >> something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are still in >> >> that >> >> >> >> stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in your >> >> life, >> >> >> >> then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a >> chair >> >> available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of the >> >> conversation. >> >> >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Elizabe >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> From: "Suzanne Germano" >> >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >> >> >> >>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >> >>> engineering >> >>> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. >> >>> these >> >>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >> >>> >> >>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you >> say >> >>> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where >> >>> an >> >>> empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of >> >>> "you >> >>> don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the >> >>> question. >> >>> >> >>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very >> >>> uncomfortable >> >>> just >> >>> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when >> >>> just >> >>> off >> >>> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering >> >>> what >> >>> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. >> >>> >> >>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and >> >>> no >> >>> one >> >>> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like >> they >> >>> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good >> >>> techniques? >> >>> >> >>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and >> partly >> >>> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would >> >>> ALWAYS >> >>> get >> >>> the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question >> >>> like >> >>> what bus is this >> >>> >> >>> Suzanne >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Julie McG >> > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >> > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >> > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >> > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >> > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >> > life." >> > John 3:16 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From louvins at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 05:18:02 2013 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 00:18:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: <7ED29D19EB0A401FB64ABF5ED3AA916E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi to all. Since I have no vision at all, I can see in some instances it might be easier than if I had some vision. I never had to worry about people not thinking I wasn't blind. When I went to my colleges tutoring center, the tutor always helped me to our table, because there were very narrow rows of tables that would had been hard to get through even with a cane. It is pretty easy to get help from different classmates for group assignments. When I had my college level math 115 class, the teacher asked anyone if they would like to be my lab partner. The student who said he would like to be my partner, worked out great. We had no trouble working together. He worked on our power point presentation, and I interviewed people for the information we needed for our statistics portion of the lab. I've learned that in my college experience, that asking for help if you need it is crucial. People won't usually ask you if you need help, you have to advocate for yourself. On 9/19/13, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi, > > I echo a lot of the suggestions others have said. I use the technique > Justin described, moving a chair with my foot. If it moves and/or I > hear someone in the chair, or see them with my vision, I know it's > taken. If it does move it's free. Some of the classes I go to have > really heavy chairs though, and this technique doesn't work because > I'd have to kick the chair instead of push it with my foot in order to > get it to move. In These cases I ask someone close by if they see any > open seats close by. Everyone in my classes has gotten to know me > enough by now to not be awkward about answering these questions, even > though sometimes they see me use my cane and other times I have it in > my bag. > > Part of my luck with this is that I go to a college which stresses > community values and being friendly to everyone, but having friends in > your classes definitely helps. Just striking up conversation with > people you regularly see around the class will make things a lot > easier. E.G, we were doing peer edits of a paper in my English class, > and a guy at my table I had not talked to much just spoke up and said, > "Hey, if I email you my paper will you be able to peer edit?" Just > because he figured that would work and be helpful. Other times people > might strike up conversations with you and go, "Here, there's a free > seat to my left," just to be helpful and social. > > I definitely like the telescoping canes. I think they're great for > easy access when you need them and portability when you don't. I also > am all for condencing things. Have you tried taking notes on your > laptop since your books and everything else is on there anyway? That > would eliminate the notebook and binder from your load at the very > least. A small recorder might also be a better solution. If there is > any way you can find a way to store some of your stuff you exclusively > use at school there, do it. I am really greatful for my lockers, > which reduce my load to a backpack and the occasional instrument or > lunch box. > > On 9/19/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> so, are you saying you have a regular laptop and macbook? If so, why two >> computers? >> I'm surprised you don't write notes on the pc. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Suzanne Germano >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:59 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >> >> The cctv which is only 5lbs of what I carry is to see the board. I do not >> use it for reading. I have the books on my laptop. It is a million times >> better than using a monocular or mini binoculars. It fold up fairly >> small. >> >> In addition to my magnilink student pro cctv, I also have a17 inch >> macbook, >> ti84 calculator, 4 pairs of glasses (all of which I need for various >> light >> and/or distance, mini binoculars, candy grip 5 inch cctv, notepad for >> taking notes, small bag with contacts lenses, solutions etc, 1.5 inch >> binder with my notes, 2 monoculars, labcoat on wednesdays.... Plus I >> bring >> 3 meals with me. There is literally nothing I could do without. >> >> I have used my vision my entire life I would have to drop out of school >> and >> take time to become proficient in speech. I was never good with audio >> books. I am a visual learner. I can do large print. >> >> I do read with the cctv at home because I have a 27 inch monitor and it >> is >> so much faster when I can get more on the screen! >> >> I can see available spot at table right near me. I just don't know if >> there >> are spots across the room if the first table are full without walking all >> around. >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Arielle Silverman < >> Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: >> >>> Hi Suzanne, >>> >>> I agree with everyone else re: using a cane. I think it makes these >>> kinds of situations a lot less awkward. People might still wonder why >>> you are using a cane if you can see some things, but I always feel >>> like those wonderings are other people's problem, not mine. If someone >>> is really curious they will ask and it will become a good educational >>> opportunity. >>> >>> My strategy for finding a seat is to come up to a table that sounds >>> quiet and gently touch the back of the first chair. If it feels like >>> it is empty, I then gently reach out a little more toward the front to >>> confirm the chair is empty. If it is taken, then I walk to the next >>> chair and check that one, or ask the person occupying the first seat >>> if other seats at their table are open. I have never had problems with >>> that method and since I use a cane, there's no weirdness about why I'm >>> asking the question. >>> I also think your roller-bag situation sounds unnecessarily obnoxious. >>> I am wondering if you could switch from the portable CCTV to a more >>> compact solution like speech software or screen magnification on your >>> laptop or screen enlargement and speech on an I-device? >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 9/19/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>> > Hi Suzanne, >>> > >>> > Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer and >>> > understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first things I >>> > did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water cooler water >>> > is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it will be a real >>> > treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of water and have a >>> > hand free. >>> > >>> > Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, >>> > finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some >>> > vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when >>> > looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, >>> > wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend it. >>> > It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker if >>> > you're in a cafeteria setting. >>> > >>> > I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. >>> > >>> > On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: >>> >> Hello Suzanne, >>> >> >>> >> I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself as >>> >> being >>> >> blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to identifying you >>> >> as >>> >> blind >>> >> >>> >> or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various >>> >> places >>> >> you find challenging when using your vision alone. >>> >> >>> >> I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not >>> >> quite >>> >> sure >>> >> >>> >> if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can >>> >> still >>> >> see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because apparently >>> >> I >>> >> was >>> >> looking this person directly in the eyes from across the room. I >>> >> could >>> >> barely make out the general outline of this person given the distance >>> and >>> >> the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any >>> >> details >>> >> of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still questioned my >>> >> ability >>> >> >>> >> to see. >>> >> >>> >> I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can >>> >> experiment >>> >> to see which technique works best for you. I know you have concerns >>> about >>> >> placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a smaller >>> >> bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or perhaps you >>> >> could >>> >> try using one of those water bottles that you can strap on your back >>> like >>> >> a >>> >> >>> >> backpack. >>> >> >>> >> I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I >>> >> really >>> >> like >>> >> >>> >> the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to >>> other >>> >> canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I >>> >> believe >>> >> there is an application form on the NFB website you can fill out to >>> >> get >>> a >>> >> free white cane. >>> >> >>> >> However, I also understand making the transition to a long white cane >>> can >>> >> be >>> >> >>> >> difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has been >>> >> something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are still >>> >> in >>> >> that >>> >> >>> >> stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in your >>> >> life, >>> >> >>> >> then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a >>> chair >>> >> available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of >>> >> the >>> >> conversation. >>> >> >>> >> Warm regards, >>> >> Elizabe >>> >> >>> >> -------------------------------------------------- >>> >> From: "Suzanne Germano" >>> >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM >>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> >>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >>> >> >>> >>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >>> >>> engineering >>> >>> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. >>> >>> these >>> >>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >>> >>> >>> >>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you >>> say >>> >>> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where >>> >>> an >>> >>> empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance >>> >>> of >>> >>> "you >>> >>> don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the >>> >>> question. >>> >>> >>> >>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very >>> >>> uncomfortable >>> >>> just >>> >>> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when >>> >>> just >>> >>> off >>> >>> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering >>> >>> what >>> >>> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. >>> >>> >>> >>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and >>> >>> no >>> >>> one >>> >>> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like >>> they >>> >>> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good >>> >>> techniques? >>> >>> >>> >>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and >>> partly >>> >>> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would >>> >>> ALWAYS >>> >>> get >>> >>> the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my >>> >>> question >>> >>> like >>> >>> what bus is this >>> >>> >>> >>> Suzanne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >>> for >>> >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Julie McG >>> > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>> > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>> > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>> > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>> > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>> > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>> > life." >>> > John 3:16 >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 06:24:06 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 02:24:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: <7ED29D19EB0A401FB64ABF5ED3AA916E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi all, Just to clarify, what was said about advocating for yourself is absolutely correct, but it also is refreshing and a great way to educate other people to get them comfortable enough with you where once in a while they ask if something simple will work for you. In the case I mentioned earlier, it turned out that student is in engineering and we were able to have a simple discussion about universal design later on. Self-advocacy is key, but finding seats is made easier when your friends give you suggestions on where seats are. Of course you can't expect that to happen though, and in cases where you need to just ask. On 9/20/13, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > Hi to all. Since I have no vision at all, I can see in some instances > it might be easier than if I had some vision. I never had to worry > about people not thinking I wasn't blind. When I went to my colleges > tutoring center, the tutor always helped me to our table, because > there were very narrow rows of tables that would had been hard to get > through even with a cane. It is pretty easy to get help from > different classmates for group assignments. When I had my college > level math 115 class, the teacher asked anyone if they would like to > be my lab partner. The student who said he would like to be my > partner, worked out great. We had no trouble working together. He > worked on our power point presentation, and I interviewed people for > the information we needed for our statistics portion of the lab. I've > learned that in my college experience, that asking for help if you > need it is crucial. People won't usually ask you if you need help, > you have to advocate for yourself. > > On 9/19/13, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I echo a lot of the suggestions others have said. I use the technique >> Justin described, moving a chair with my foot. If it moves and/or I >> hear someone in the chair, or see them with my vision, I know it's >> taken. If it does move it's free. Some of the classes I go to have >> really heavy chairs though, and this technique doesn't work because >> I'd have to kick the chair instead of push it with my foot in order to >> get it to move. In These cases I ask someone close by if they see any >> open seats close by. Everyone in my classes has gotten to know me >> enough by now to not be awkward about answering these questions, even >> though sometimes they see me use my cane and other times I have it in >> my bag. >> >> Part of my luck with this is that I go to a college which stresses >> community values and being friendly to everyone, but having friends in >> your classes definitely helps. Just striking up conversation with >> people you regularly see around the class will make things a lot >> easier. E.G, we were doing peer edits of a paper in my English class, >> and a guy at my table I had not talked to much just spoke up and said, >> "Hey, if I email you my paper will you be able to peer edit?" Just >> because he figured that would work and be helpful. Other times people >> might strike up conversations with you and go, "Here, there's a free >> seat to my left," just to be helpful and social. >> >> I definitely like the telescoping canes. I think they're great for >> easy access when you need them and portability when you don't. I also >> am all for condencing things. Have you tried taking notes on your >> laptop since your books and everything else is on there anyway? That >> would eliminate the notebook and binder from your load at the very >> least. A small recorder might also be a better solution. If there is >> any way you can find a way to store some of your stuff you exclusively >> use at school there, do it. I am really greatful for my lockers, >> which reduce my load to a backpack and the occasional instrument or >> lunch box. >> >> On 9/19/13, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> so, are you saying you have a regular laptop and macbook? If so, why two >>> computers? >>> I'm surprised you don't write notes on the pc. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Suzanne Germano >>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:59 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >>> >>> The cctv which is only 5lbs of what I carry is to see the board. I do >>> not >>> use it for reading. I have the books on my laptop. It is a million times >>> better than using a monocular or mini binoculars. It fold up fairly >>> small. >>> >>> In addition to my magnilink student pro cctv, I also have a17 inch >>> macbook, >>> ti84 calculator, 4 pairs of glasses (all of which I need for various >>> light >>> and/or distance, mini binoculars, candy grip 5 inch cctv, notepad for >>> taking notes, small bag with contacts lenses, solutions etc, 1.5 inch >>> binder with my notes, 2 monoculars, labcoat on wednesdays.... Plus I >>> bring >>> 3 meals with me. There is literally nothing I could do without. >>> >>> I have used my vision my entire life I would have to drop out of school >>> and >>> take time to become proficient in speech. I was never good with audio >>> books. I am a visual learner. I can do large print. >>> >>> I do read with the cctv at home because I have a 27 inch monitor and it >>> is >>> so much faster when I can get more on the screen! >>> >>> I can see available spot at table right near me. I just don't know if >>> there >>> are spots across the room if the first table are full without walking >>> all >>> around. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Arielle Silverman < >>> Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Suzanne, >>>> >>>> I agree with everyone else re: using a cane. I think it makes these >>>> kinds of situations a lot less awkward. People might still wonder why >>>> you are using a cane if you can see some things, but I always feel >>>> like those wonderings are other people's problem, not mine. If someone >>>> is really curious they will ask and it will become a good educational >>>> opportunity. >>>> >>>> My strategy for finding a seat is to come up to a table that sounds >>>> quiet and gently touch the back of the first chair. If it feels like >>>> it is empty, I then gently reach out a little more toward the front to >>>> confirm the chair is empty. If it is taken, then I walk to the next >>>> chair and check that one, or ask the person occupying the first seat >>>> if other seats at their table are open. I have never had problems with >>>> that method and since I use a cane, there's no weirdness about why I'm >>>> asking the question. >>>> I also think your roller-bag situation sounds unnecessarily obnoxious. >>>> I am wondering if you could switch from the portable CCTV to a more >>>> compact solution like speech software or screen magnification on your >>>> laptop or screen enlargement and speech on an I-device? >>>> >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 9/19/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>>> > Hi Suzanne, >>>> > >>>> > Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer >>>> > and >>>> > understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first things >>>> > I >>>> > did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water cooler >>>> > water >>>> > is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it will be a >>>> > real >>>> > treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of water and have a >>>> > hand free. >>>> > >>>> > Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, >>>> > finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some >>>> > vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when >>>> > looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, >>>> > wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend >>>> > it. >>>> > It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker if >>>> > you're in a cafeteria setting. >>>> > >>>> > I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. >>>> > >>>> > On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: >>>> >> Hello Suzanne, >>>> >> >>>> >> I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself as >>>> >> being >>>> >> blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to identifying you >>>> >> as >>>> >> blind >>>> >> >>>> >> or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various >>>> >> places >>>> >> you find challenging when using your vision alone. >>>> >> >>>> >> I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not >>>> >> quite >>>> >> sure >>>> >> >>>> >> if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can >>>> >> still >>>> >> see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because apparently >>>> >> I >>>> >> was >>>> >> looking this person directly in the eyes from across the room. I >>>> >> could >>>> >> barely make out the general outline of this person given the >>>> >> distance >>>> and >>>> >> the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any >>>> >> details >>>> >> of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still questioned my >>>> >> ability >>>> >> >>>> >> to see. >>>> >> >>>> >> I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can >>>> >> experiment >>>> >> to see which technique works best for you. I know you have concerns >>>> about >>>> >> placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a >>>> >> smaller >>>> >> bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or perhaps you >>>> >> could >>>> >> try using one of those water bottles that you can strap on your back >>>> like >>>> >> a >>>> >> >>>> >> backpack. >>>> >> >>>> >> I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I >>>> >> really >>>> >> like >>>> >> >>>> >> the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to >>>> other >>>> >> canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I >>>> >> believe >>>> >> there is an application form on the NFB website you can fill out to >>>> >> get >>>> a >>>> >> free white cane. >>>> >> >>>> >> However, I also understand making the transition to a long white >>>> >> cane >>>> can >>>> >> be >>>> >> >>>> >> difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has >>>> >> been >>>> >> something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are still >>>> >> in >>>> >> that >>>> >> >>>> >> stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in >>>> >> your >>>> >> life, >>>> >> >>>> >> then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a >>>> chair >>>> >> available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of >>>> >> the >>>> >> conversation. >>>> >> >>>> >> Warm regards, >>>> >> Elizabe >>>> >> >>>> >> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> >> From: "Suzanne Germano" >>>> >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM >>>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >> >>>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >>>> >> >>>> >>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >>>> >>> engineering >>>> >>> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat >>>> >>> is. >>>> >>> these >>>> >>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if >>>> >>> you >>>> say >>>> >>> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where >>>> >>> an >>>> >>> empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance >>>> >>> of >>>> >>> "you >>>> >>> don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the >>>> >>> question. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very >>>> >>> uncomfortable >>>> >>> just >>>> >>> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when >>>> >>> just >>>> >>> off >>>> >>> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is >>>> >>> wondering >>>> >>> what >>>> >>> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased >>>> >>> and >>>> >>> no >>>> >>> one >>>> >>> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like >>>> they >>>> >>> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good >>>> >>> techniques? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and >>>> partly >>>> >>> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would >>>> >>> ALWAYS >>>> >>> get >>>> >>> the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my >>>> >>> question >>>> >>> like >>>> >>> what bus is this >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Suzanne >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> >>> for >>>> >>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> >> for >>>> >> nabs-l: >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Julie McG >>>> > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>> > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>>> > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>>> > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>>> > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>>> > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>>> > life." >>>> > John 3:16 >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 06:39:49 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 02:39:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: Hi, I don't know your entire situation, but here are a few suggestions. I agree with the views expressed by Kirt, Arielle, Justin, and others. I also like the idea of making the cafeteria more accessible to all, but realistically if the school has too many tables in a room that is really not big enough for them and extra space, it might not be possible. Getting your food in a bag or to-go box does wonders. I do this all the time and it makes everything a lot easier for me. Or, since you bring your lunch to school, you can skip the cafe if you really don't like dealing with it that day. If you usually get a drink from the cafe before sitting down to eat, try bringing something from home along with your food. Or, there is nothing wrong with eating outside in a courtyard or at a table in an academic building; other students do it all the time. If you really want to eat in the cafe though, I would suggest a few things if you have not done so already. Check that you're confident in using your cane skills, as that can be a huge factor in this. If you can find an aisle that is more open than others to get from point A to point B, figure out a route that works for you. This might require practice on your own time, but can be worth it. I would also try asking cafe staff if they could recommend a way for you to go that might get you through the cafeteria a little more efficiently than the way you're using now. . As was said, I don't think that this is going to change. I don't really see what security can do, and also think that web accessibility and other matters that can't easily be remedied by individual students are of more importance to faculty. Yes, left out chairs is a hassle and it is a tripping hazard, but it is that way for all students, not just those who are blind. They have to push in the chairs to clear a path too, so the best thing you can do is figure out a way to work through it to show that you are just as capable a navigator as a sighted student. On 9/19/13, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Nathan and all, > > I think there's something to say for only getting your disability > office involved in matters that are serious and those that directly > involve blindness. We all agree that chairs being left out are a > nuisance, and they make orientation a little tougher, but they don't > pose a safety hazard to blind folks who are using canes or dogs. I > don't think the problem is serious enough to involve campus security. > Jamie's redesign idea does sound nice for people with all kinds of > disabilities, but I don't think the issue is as important as those > involving campus website accessibility, for example. > Nathan, I think you are a cane user, but if you're not I would > encourage you to use a cane at least while you are in the café. It > might help to get a little orientation through the café and, in > particular, pay attention to sound cues that will help you find your > way to the room you're trying to find even if the messy chairs cause > you to lose your bearings. > > Best, > Arielle > > On 9/19/13, minh ha wrote: >> Nathan, >> >> There's a big difference between educating the sighted public about >> what we need as blind individuals and changing bad habits. Yes, you >> can talk to your DS office and security and have them post reminders, >> but I would be willing to bet that the issue of chairs sticking out in >> your way is not going to be resolved any time soon. I have a guide dog >> now so she just takes me around the chairs or stop so I can nudge the >> chair out of our path, but when I was using a cane, all I had to do >> was nudge the chair in a little bit and I would have room to go on my >> merry way. You could try this simple solution to see if it fixes your >> problem before tackling other people's lack of courtesy. I also want >> to remind you that you're not going to have a DS office or a chief of >> security that you could run to in the real world when people don't >> have chairs pushed in. >> >> Cheers, >> Minh >> >> >> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> Dear Tyler, >>> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what >>> we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't want >>> to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs for me >>> for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand where you are >>> coming from and I respect your opinion. >>> Sincerely, >>> Nathan Clark >>> >>> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>> Dear Tyler, >>>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can >>>> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the >>>> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall and >>>> in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like >>>> you thought it was. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with >>>>> security. >>>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. >>>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so >>>>> you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe >>>>> regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, >>>>> find >>>>> each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I >>>>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand >>>>> and >>>>> it works out pretty well. >>>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending >>>>> on >>>>> the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. >>>>> >>>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>>>> Dear Nabs, >>>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this >>>>>> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where >>>>>> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. >>>>>> >>>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost >>>>>> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where >>>>>> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My >>>>>> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in >>>>>> a >>>>>> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and >>>>>> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with >>>>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up >>>>>> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my >>>>>> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. >>>>>> The >>>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard >>>>>> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she >>>>>> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem >>>>>> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the >>>>>> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. >>>>>> >>>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or >>>>>> just >>>>>> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring >>>>>> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were >>>>>> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they >>>>>> said >>>>>> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >>>>>> problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this >>>>>> has >>>>>> happened to other people on the list? >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> Nathan Clark >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Take care, >>>>> Ty >>>>> http://tds-solutions.net >>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; >>>>> he >>>>> that >>>>> dares not reason is a slave. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From carlymih at comcast.net Fri Sep 20 12:27:53 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 05:27:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: <001901ceb567$72477e30$56d67a90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130920052553.04736140@comcast.net> Good morning, In my experience as a total, there's nothing wrong with simply using the back of your hand to brush a seet back to see if it's occupied. Also works well for finding empty seats, on a bus or rain. Good luck, with thaat load you carry! for today, CarAt 01:29 PM 9/19/2013, you wrote: >Not sure. I already have a lunch box on it. I can't bring smaller than half >gallon because I am gone for 12 hours on Tuesday and thursday and really >don't want to pay for water. I swear I need an assistant to help carry all >my stuff lol. > > >On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Anjelina Cruz wrote: > > > Could a bigger thermos attach to your bag so you'd have a hand free > > for a lightweight id cane? > > > > On 9/19/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > > It would be very difficult I use a roller bag because I carry 30lbs of > > > equipment with me portable cctv, laptop etc and then I have to bring 1/2 > > > gallon of water in the other hand since I am on the surface of the sun in > > > phoenix. I tried a backback but there is not one big enough for all the > > > crap I bring. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM, justin williams < > > > justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Carry a cane would be my answer. Without it, it is diffidult to > > indentify > > >> you as visually impaired. > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne > > >> Germano > > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM > > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog > > >> > > >> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the > > >> engineering > > >> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. > > >> these > > >> are tables that hold 6-8 people. > > >> > > >> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say > > >> for > > >> example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an empty > > >> seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you > > >> don't > > >> look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the question. > > >> > > >> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable > > >> just > > >> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just > > >> off > > >> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering > > what > > >> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. > > >> > > >> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no > > >> one > > >> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they > > >> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good > > >> techniques? > > >> > > >> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly > > >> for > > >> mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get > > >> the > > >> comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like > > >> what > > >> bus is this > > >> > > >> Suzanne > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > >> > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > > >> .com > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Anjelina > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From carlymih at comcast.net Fri Sep 20 12:34:53 2013 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 05:34:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20130920053348.04743580@comcast.net> Good morning, Nathan, Find yourself a hot chick, maybe and grab her arm or shoulder. Get help! No man is an island... for today, CarAt 11:39 PM 9/19/2013, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >Hi, > >I don't know your entire situation, but here are a few suggestions. >I agree with the views expressed by Kirt, Arielle, Justin, and others. > I also like the idea of making the cafeteria more accessible to all, >but realistically if the school has too many tables in a room that is >really not big enough for them and extra space, it might not be >possible. >Getting your food in a bag or to-go box does wonders. I do this all >the time and it makes everything a lot easier for me. Or, since you >bring your lunch to school, you can skip the cafe if you really don't >like dealing with it that day. If you usually get a drink from the >cafe before sitting down to eat, try bringing something from home >along with your food. Or, there is nothing wrong with eating outside >in a courtyard or at a table in an academic building; other students >do it all the time. >If you really want to eat in the cafe though, I would suggest a few >things if you have not done so already. Check that you're confident >in using your cane skills, as that can be a huge factor in this. If >you can find an aisle that is more open than others to get from point >A to point B, figure out a route that works for you. This might >require practice on your own time, but can be worth it. I would also >try asking cafe staff if they could recommend a way for you to go that >might get you through the cafeteria a little more efficiently than the >way you're using now. . >As was said, I don't think that this is going to change. I don't >really see what security can do, and also think that web accessibility >and other matters that can't easily be remedied by individual students >are of more importance to faculty. Yes, left out chairs is a hassle >and it is a tripping hazard, but it is that way for all students, not >just those who are blind. They have to push in the chairs to clear a >path too, so the best thing you can do is figure out a way to work >through it to show that you are just as capable a navigator as a >sighted student. > >On 9/19/13, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > Hi Nathan and all, > > > > I think there's something to say for only getting your disability > > office involved in matters that are serious and those that directly > > involve blindness. We all agree that chairs being left out are a > > nuisance, and they make orientation a little tougher, but they don't > > pose a safety hazard to blind folks who are using canes or dogs. I > > don't think the problem is serious enough to involve campus security. > > Jamie's redesign idea does sound nice for people with all kinds of > > disabilities, but I don't think the issue is as important as those > > involving campus website accessibility, for example. > > Nathan, I think you are a cane user, but if you're not I would > > encourage you to use a cane at least while you are in the café. It > > might help to get a little orientation through the café and, in > > particular, pay attention to sound cues that will help you find your > > way to the room you're trying to find even if the messy chairs cause > > you to lose your bearings. > > > > Best, > > Arielle > > > > On 9/19/13, minh ha wrote: > >> Nathan, > >> > >> There's a big difference between educating the sighted public about > >> what we need as blind individuals and changing bad habits. Yes, you > >> can talk to your DS office and security and have them post reminders, > >> but I would be willing to bet that the issue of chairs sticking out in > >> your way is not going to be resolved any time soon. I have a guide dog > >> now so she just takes me around the chairs or stop so I can nudge the > >> chair out of our path, but when I was using a cane, all I had to do > >> was nudge the chair in a little bit and I would have room to go on my > >> merry way. You could try this simple solution to see if it fixes your > >> problem before tackling other people's lack of courtesy. I also want > >> to remind you that you're not going to have a DS office or a chief of > >> security that you could run to in the real world when people don't > >> have chairs pushed in. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Minh > >> > >> > >> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: > >>> Dear Tyler, > >>> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what > >>> we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't want > >>> to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs for me > >>> for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand where you are > >>> coming from and I respect your opinion. > >>> Sincerely, > >>> Nathan Clark > >>> > >>> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: > >>>> Dear Tyler, > >>>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can > >>>> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the > >>>> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall and > >>>> in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like > >>>> you thought it was. > >>>> > >>>> Sincerely, > >>>> Nathan > >>>> > >>>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > >>>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with > >>>>> security. > >>>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. > >>>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so > >>>>> you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe > >>>>> regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, > >>>>> find > >>>>> each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I > >>>>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand > >>>>> and > >>>>> it works out pretty well. > >>>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending > >>>>> on > >>>>> the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: > >>>>>> Dear Nabs, > >>>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this > >>>>>> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where > >>>>>> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost > >>>>>> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where > >>>>>> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My > >>>>>> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in > >>>>>> a > >>>>>> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and > >>>>>> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with > >>>>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up > >>>>>> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my > >>>>>> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. > >>>>>> The > >>>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard > >>>>>> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she > >>>>>> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem > >>>>>> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the > >>>>>> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or > >>>>>> just > >>>>>> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring > >>>>>> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were > >>>>>> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they > >>>>>> said > >>>>>> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this > >>>>>> problem. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this > >>>>>> has > >>>>>> happened to other people on the list? > >>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>> Nathan Clark > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Take care, > >>>>> Ty > >>>>> http://tds-solutions.net > >>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; > >>>>> he > >>>>> that > >>>>> dares not reason is a slave. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > > > > >-- >Kaiti > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 13:10:54 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 09:10:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130920052553.04736140@comcast.net> References: <001901ceb567$72477e30$56d67a90$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130920052553.04736140@comcast.net> Message-ID: <-3576090206921114579@unknownmsgid> That works well, as does simply approaching a seat and asking if there is someone in it. This works especially well in a café or school cafeteria. In my high school's cafeteria, I will usually approach a table and ask if there are any seats there. It's slow going sometimes, but I think it's a good way to find a seat if help isn't readily available. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good morning, In my experience as a total, there's nothing wrong with simply using the back of your hand to brush a seet back to see if it's occupied. > > Also works well for finding empty seats, on a bus or rain. > Good luck, with thaat load you carry! > for today, CarAt 01:29 PM 9/19/2013, you wrote: >> Not sure. I already have a lunch box on it. I can't bring smaller than half >> gallon because I am gone for 12 hours on Tuesday and thursday and really >> don't want to pay for water. I swear I need an assistant to help carry all >> my stuff lol. >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Anjelina Cruz wrote: >> >> > Could a bigger thermos attach to your bag so you'd have a hand free >> > for a lightweight id cane? >> > >> > On 9/19/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> > > It would be very difficult I use a roller bag because I carry 30lbs of >> > > equipment with me portable cctv, laptop etc and then I have to bring 1/2 >> > > gallon of water in the other hand since I am on the surface of the sun in >> > > phoenix. I tried a backback but there is not one big enough for all the >> > > crap I bring. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM, justin williams < >> > > justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > >> Carry a cane would be my answer. Without it, it is diffidult to >> > indentify >> > >> you as visually impaired. >> > >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne >> > >> Germano >> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM >> > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >> > >> >> > >> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >> > >> engineering >> > >> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. >> > >> these >> > >> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >> > >> >> > >> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say >> > >> for >> > >> example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an empty >> > >> seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you >> > >> don't >> > >> look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the question. >> > >> >> > >> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable >> > >> just >> > >> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just >> > >> off >> > >> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering >> > what >> > >> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. >> > >> >> > >> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no >> > >> one >> > >> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they >> > >> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good >> > >> techniques? >> > >> >> > >> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly >> > >> for >> > >> mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get >> > >> the >> > >> comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like >> > >> what >> > >> bus is this >> > >> >> > >> Suzanne >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> nabs-l mailing list >> > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > >> nabs-l: >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> > >> .com >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> nabs-l mailing list >> > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > >> nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Anjelina >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 13:48:57 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 09:48:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: <-3576090206921114579@unknownmsgid> References: <001901ceb567$72477e30$56d67a90$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130920052553.04736140@comcast.net> <-3576090206921114579@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <006501ceb608$28191890$784b49b0$@gmail.com> We're also hoping to find some tactics for not talking to an empty table, or to an empty chair. My method is to ask if there is a free chair at this table? Sometimes, a seat could be being saved for another person. The other method is to gently and slowly feel with the cane to see fi it is empot, or like I said before, if the chair is pushed in, to move the chair. You can also use your hip to test as if you are brushing by, or carry a book in your hand or something which extends over the back of the seat. Of course, you can still go right back to asking. For you susan, whip out the binocular. Soemtimes, I will ask the people behind the counter in star bucks if there si an empty chair or table. Just whatever works. . -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of christopher nusbaum Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 9:11 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog That works well, as does simply approaching a seat and asking if there is someone in it. This works especially well in a café or school cafeteria. In my high school's cafeteria, I will usually approach a table and ask if there are any seats there. It's slow going sometimes, but I think it's a good way to find a seat if help isn't readily available. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good morning, In my experience as a total, there's nothing wrong with simply using the back of your hand to brush a seet back to see if it's occupied. > > Also works well for finding empty seats, on a bus or rain. > Good luck, with thaat load you carry! > for today, CarAt 01:29 PM 9/19/2013, you wrote: >> Not sure. I already have a lunch box on it. I can't bring smaller >> than half gallon because I am gone for 12 hours on Tuesday and >> thursday and really don't want to pay for water. I swear I need an >> assistant to help carry all my stuff lol. >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Anjelina Cruz wrote: >> >> > Could a bigger thermos attach to your bag so you'd have a hand free >> > for a lightweight id cane? >> > >> > On 9/19/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> > > It would be very difficult I use a roller bag because I carry >> > > 30lbs of equipment with me portable cctv, laptop etc and then I >> > > have to bring 1/2 gallon of water in the other hand since I am on >> > > the surface of the sun in phoenix. I tried a backback but there >> > > is not one big enough for all the crap I bring. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM, justin williams < >> > > justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > >> Carry a cane would be my answer. Without it, it is diffidult to >> > indentify >> > >> you as visually impaired. >> > >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> > >> Suzanne Germano >> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM >> > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >> > >> >> > >> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >> > >> engineering tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where >> > >> an empty seat is. >> > >> these >> > >> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >> > >> >> > >> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if >> > >> you say for example "I am visually impaired would you mind >> > >> showing me where an empty seat is" It seems they have to go >> > >> through the song and dance of "you don't look blind" "why don't >> > >> you get glasses" but rarely answer the question. >> > >> >> > >> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very >> > >> uncomfortable just walking up and down between all the tables >> > >> looking for a spot when just off to the side I may have missed >> > >> one. I feel like everyone is wondering >> > what >> > >> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. >> > >> >> > >> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased >> > >> and no one understanding legally blind and I should just get >> > >> over feeling like they think I look stupid. But in the meantime >> > >> does anyone have any good techniques? >> > >> >> > >> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification >> > >> and partly for mobility but I still had issues with people >> > >> because I would ALWAYS get the comment "Your not blind" They >> > >> could never just answer my question like what bus is this >> > >> >> > >> Suzanne >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> nabs-l mailing list >> > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> > >> info for >> > >> nabs-l: >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams >> > 2%40gmail >> > >> .com >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> nabs-l mailing list >> > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> > >> info for >> > >> nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40a >> > >> su.edu >> > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > > for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40g >> > mail.com >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Anjelina >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu. >> > edu >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcas >> t.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 14:24:51 2013 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 08:24:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20130920053348.04743580@comcast.net> References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130920053348.04743580@comcast.net> Message-ID: Karlee, I think having a friend help is fine… hell, I do the very same thing you are suggesting every now and again. Still, and I say this from personal experience, I found the putting myself in situations where I'm forced to rely on other people, and keep in mind that I making the distinction between being forced and choosing to do it of your own free will every now and again, is inconvenient, inefficient and counterproductive. I used to always get around the way you are suggesting… And it worked probably about 80% of the time just fine. However, those times my friends were sick, or busy with other things, or went somewhere else for the day, or those times when I just wanted privacy and my own personal space and couldn't have it because I needed to rely on other people were absolutely unbearable for me. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 20, 2013, at 6:34 AM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > Good morning, Nathan, > > Find yourself a hot chick, maybe and grab her arm or shoulder. Get help! No man is an island... > for today, CarAt 11:39 PM 9/19/2013, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I don't know your entire situation, but here are a few suggestions. >> I agree with the views expressed by Kirt, Arielle, Justin, and others. >> I also like the idea of making the cafeteria more accessible to all, >> but realistically if the school has too many tables in a room that is >> really not big enough for them and extra space, it might not be >> possible. >> Getting your food in a bag or to-go box does wonders. I do this all >> the time and it makes everything a lot easier for me. Or, since you >> bring your lunch to school, you can skip the cafe if you really don't >> like dealing with it that day. If you usually get a drink from the >> cafe before sitting down to eat, try bringing something from home >> along with your food. Or, there is nothing wrong with eating outside >> in a courtyard or at a table in an academic building; other students >> do it all the time. >> If you really want to eat in the cafe though, I would suggest a few >> things if you have not done so already. Check that you're confident >> in using your cane skills, as that can be a huge factor in this. If >> you can find an aisle that is more open than others to get from point >> A to point B, figure out a route that works for you. This might >> require practice on your own time, but can be worth it. I would also >> try asking cafe staff if they could recommend a way for you to go that >> might get you through the cafeteria a little more efficiently than the >> way you're using now. . >> As was said, I don't think that this is going to change. I don't >> really see what security can do, and also think that web accessibility >> and other matters that can't easily be remedied by individual students >> are of more importance to faculty. Yes, left out chairs is a hassle >> and it is a tripping hazard, but it is that way for all students, not >> just those who are blind. They have to push in the chairs to clear a >> path too, so the best thing you can do is figure out a way to work >> through it to show that you are just as capable a navigator as a >> sighted student. >> >> On 9/19/13, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> > Hi Nathan and all, >> > >> > I think there's something to say for only getting your disability >> > office involved in matters that are serious and those that directly >> > involve blindness. We all agree that chairs being left out are a >> > nuisance, and they make orientation a little tougher, but they don't >> > pose a safety hazard to blind folks who are using canes or dogs. I >> > don't think the problem is serious enough to involve campus security. >> > Jamie's redesign idea does sound nice for people with all kinds of >> > disabilities, but I don't think the issue is as important as those >> > involving campus website accessibility, for example. >> > Nathan, I think you are a cane user, but if you're not I would >> > encourage you to use a cane at least while you are in the café. It >> > might help to get a little orientation through the café and, in >> > particular, pay attention to sound cues that will help you find your >> > way to the room you're trying to find even if the messy chairs cause >> > you to lose your bearings. >> > >> > Best, >> > Arielle >> > >> > On 9/19/13, minh ha wrote: >> >> Nathan, >> >> >> >> There's a big difference between educating the sighted public about >> >> what we need as blind individuals and changing bad habits. Yes, you >> >> can talk to your DS office and security and have them post reminders, >> >> but I would be willing to bet that the issue of chairs sticking out in >> >> your way is not going to be resolved any time soon. I have a guide dog >> >> now so she just takes me around the chairs or stop so I can nudge the >> >> chair out of our path, but when I was using a cane, all I had to do >> >> was nudge the chair in a little bit and I would have room to go on my >> >> merry way. You could try this simple solution to see if it fixes your >> >> problem before tackling other people's lack of courtesy. I also want >> >> to remind you that you're not going to have a DS office or a chief of >> >> security that you could run to in the real world when people don't >> >> have chairs pushed in. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Minh >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >> >>> Dear Tyler, >> >>> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what >> >>> we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't want >> >>> to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs for me >> >>> for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand where you are >> >>> coming from and I respect your opinion. >> >>> Sincerely, >> >>> Nathan Clark >> >>> >> >>> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >> >>>> Dear Tyler, >> >>>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can >> >>>> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the >> >>>> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall and >> >>>> in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like >> >>>> you thought it was. >> >>>> >> >>>> Sincerely, >> >>>> Nathan >> >>>> >> >>>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >> >>>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do with >> >>>>> security. >> >>>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal with. >> >>>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone so >> >>>>> you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any cafe >> >>>>> regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, >> >>>>> find >> >>>>> each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. I >> >>>>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> it works out pretty well. >> >>>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe (depending >> >>>>> on >> >>>>> the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >> >>>>>> Dear Nabs, >> >>>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this >> >>>>>> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where >> >>>>>> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost >> >>>>>> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where >> >>>>>> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My >> >>>>>> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in >> >>>>>> a >> >>>>>> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and >> >>>>>> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with >> >>>>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up >> >>>>>> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my >> >>>>>> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. >> >>>>>> The >> >>>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard >> >>>>>> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she >> >>>>>> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem >> >>>>>> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the >> >>>>>> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or >> >>>>>> just >> >>>>>> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring >> >>>>>> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were >> >>>>>> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they >> >>>>>> said >> >>>>>> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >> >>>>>> problem. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this >> >>>>>> has >> >>>>>> happened to other people on the list? >> >>>>>> Sincerely, >> >>>>>> Nathan Clark >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>>>>> nabs-l: >> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Take care, >> >>>>> Ty >> >>>>> http://tds-solutions.net >> >>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; >> >>>>> he >> >>>>> that >> >>>>> dares not reason is a slave. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>>>> nabs-l: >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From nfbfrida at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 16:13:33 2013 From: nfbfrida at gmail.com (Frida Aizenman) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 09:13:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523C742D.7070808@gmail.com> I just had an interesting idea. Every day, make believe you are at the airport and carry a rolling big luggage! Frida On 9/19/2013 6:59 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > The cctv which is only 5lbs of what I carry is to see the board. I do not > use it for reading. I have the books on my laptop. It is a million times > better than using a monocular or mini binoculars. It fold up fairly small. > > In addition to my magnilink student pro cctv, I also have a17 inch macbook, > ti84 calculator, 4 pairs of glasses (all of which I need for various light > and/or distance, mini binoculars, candy grip 5 inch cctv, notepad for > taking notes, small bag with contacts lenses, solutions etc, 1.5 inch > binder with my notes, 2 monoculars, labcoat on wednesdays.... Plus I bring > 3 meals with me. There is literally nothing I could do without. > > I have used my vision my entire life I would have to drop out of school and > take time to become proficient in speech. I was never good with audio > books. I am a visual learner. I can do large print. > > I do read with the cctv at home because I have a 27 inch monitor and it is > so much faster when I can get more on the screen! > > I can see available spot at table right near me. I just don't know if there > are spots across the room if the first table are full without walking all > around. > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Arielle Silverman < > Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: > >> Hi Suzanne, >> >> I agree with everyone else re: using a cane. I think it makes these >> kinds of situations a lot less awkward. People might still wonder why >> you are using a cane if you can see some things, but I always feel >> like those wonderings are other people's problem, not mine. If someone >> is really curious they will ask and it will become a good educational >> opportunity. >> >> My strategy for finding a seat is to come up to a table that sounds >> quiet and gently touch the back of the first chair. If it feels like >> it is empty, I then gently reach out a little more toward the front to >> confirm the chair is empty. If it is taken, then I walk to the next >> chair and check that one, or ask the person occupying the first seat >> if other seats at their table are open. I have never had problems with >> that method and since I use a cane, there's no weirdness about why I'm >> asking the question. >> I also think your roller-bag situation sounds unnecessarily obnoxious. >> I am wondering if you could switch from the portable CCTV to a more >> compact solution like speech software or screen magnification on your >> laptop or screen enlargement and speech on an I-device? >> >> Arielle >> >> On 9/19/13, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>> Hi Suzanne, >>> >>> Water coolers and water fountains are your friends. I am a singer and >>> understand the need for hydration. That was one of the first things I >>> did when learning this new campus for grad school. Water cooler water >>> is nice and cold too, so if you can find those, then it will be a real >>> treat. That way you can carry a smaller bottle of water and have a >>> hand free. >>> >>> Honestly, though not carrying a cane may make it more complicated, >>> finding an empty seat as a blind person is not fun. I have some >>> vision, so I tend to do what I call the awkward blind hover when >>> looking for a spot. I stand at a table where I don't hear noise, >>> wait, listen, and look for people at the table. I don't recommend it. >>> It is much more efficient to simply ask another student or worker if >>> you're in a cafeteria setting. >>> >>> I would then definitely recommend finding a way to use a cane. >>> >>> On 9/19/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: >>>> Hello Suzanne, >>>> >>>> I would also suggest using a cane as a means to identify yourself as >>>> being >>>> blind or visually impaired. Although in addition to identifying you as >>>> blind >>>> >>>> or visually impaired, the cane could also help you navigate various >>>> places >>>> you find challenging when using your vision alone. >>>> >>>> I think the teasing goes away as you get older. However, I am not quite >>>> sure >>>> >>>> if this holds true with the notion of others thinking that you can still >>>> see. I remember hearing someone say this about me because apparently I >>>> was >>>> looking this person directly in the eyes from across the room. I could >>>> barely make out the general outline of this person given the distance >> and >>>> the lighting conditions much less be able to visually identify any >>>> details >>>> of this person. However, nonetheless, the person still questioned my >>>> ability >>>> >>>> to see. >>>> >>>> I know you can use a cane with a roller bag, so perhaps you can >>>> experiment >>>> to see which technique works best for you. I know you have concerns >> about >>>> placing your water bottle in your bag. Have you tried using a smaller >>>> bottle, and then refilling it at a drinking fountain? Or perhaps you >>>> could >>>> try using one of those water bottles that you can strap on your back >> like >>>> a >>>> >>>> backpack. >>>> >>>> I would definitely encourage you to give the cane another try. I really >>>> like >>>> >>>> the long NFB white canes because they are so light when compared to >> other >>>> canes. If you are interested in trying out one of these canes, I believe >>>> there is an application form on the NFB website you can fill out to get >> a >>>> free white cane. >>>> >>>> However, I also understand making the transition to a long white cane >> can >>>> be >>>> >>>> difficult for some people. I know this to be true because it has been >>>> something I have struggled with in my own life. So if you are still in >>>> that >>>> >>>> stage where you are just simply not ready to make this change in your >>>> life, >>>> >>>> then perhaps you can just simply ask someone where there might be a >> chair >>>> available, and leave the part about being visually impaired out of the >>>> conversation. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> Elizabe >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Suzanne Germano" >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >>>> >>>>> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >>>>> engineering >>>>> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. >>>>> these >>>>> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >>>>> >>>>> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you >> say >>>>> for example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an >>>>> empty seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of >>>>> "you >>>>> don't look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the >>>>> question. >>>>> >>>>> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable >>>>> just >>>>> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just >>>>> off >>>>> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering >>>>> what >>>>> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. >>>>> >>>>> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no >>>>> one >>>>> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like >> they >>>>> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good >>>>> techniques? >>>>> >>>>> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and >> partly >>>>> for mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS >>>>> get >>>>> the comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question >>>>> like >>>>> what bus is this >>>>> >>>>> Suzanne >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>> life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nfbfrida%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 16:17:53 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:17:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> <15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle this. Anna E Givens On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > I will. Thank you! > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >> >> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I would >> really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out your case on >> paper so he can see what happened. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >> >> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new director now. I >> asked him, and was told he would look into it. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>> Pompey >>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>> >>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that >>>> if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under >>>> the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a student under >>>> your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>> Pompey >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>> >>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from >>>> their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated >>>> in the course? >>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050 >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >>>> 4 >>>> 0gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >>>> o >>>> .com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo >>> .com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From troubleclark at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 16:39:51 2013 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 12:39:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130920053348.04743580@comcast.net> Message-ID: Dear Jamie, I really like your idea Jamie about reorganizing the tables to make a more clear path and I will suggest this to my school when I meet with them on Tuesday. Sincerely, Nathan On 9/20/13, Kirt wrote: > Karlee, > I think having a friend help is fine… hell, I do the very same thing you are > suggesting every now and again. Still, and I say this from personal > experience, I found the putting myself in situations where I'm forced to > rely on other people, and keep in mind that I making the distinction between > being forced and choosing to do it of your own free will every now and > again, is inconvenient, inefficient and counterproductive. I used to always > get around the way you are suggesting… And it worked probably about 80% of > the time just fine. However, those times my friends were sick, or busy with > other things, or went somewhere else for the day, or those times when I just > wanted privacy and my own personal space and couldn't have it because I > needed to rely on other people were absolutely unbearable for me. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 6:34 AM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> >> Good morning, Nathan, >> >> Find yourself a hot chick, maybe and grab her arm or shoulder. Get >> help! No man is an island... >> for today, CarAt 11:39 PM 9/19/2013, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don't know your entire situation, but here are a few suggestions. >>> I agree with the views expressed by Kirt, Arielle, Justin, and others. >>> I also like the idea of making the cafeteria more accessible to all, >>> but realistically if the school has too many tables in a room that is >>> really not big enough for them and extra space, it might not be >>> possible. >>> Getting your food in a bag or to-go box does wonders. I do this all >>> the time and it makes everything a lot easier for me. Or, since you >>> bring your lunch to school, you can skip the cafe if you really don't >>> like dealing with it that day. If you usually get a drink from the >>> cafe before sitting down to eat, try bringing something from home >>> along with your food. Or, there is nothing wrong with eating outside >>> in a courtyard or at a table in an academic building; other students >>> do it all the time. >>> If you really want to eat in the cafe though, I would suggest a few >>> things if you have not done so already. Check that you're confident >>> in using your cane skills, as that can be a huge factor in this. If >>> you can find an aisle that is more open than others to get from point >>> A to point B, figure out a route that works for you. This might >>> require practice on your own time, but can be worth it. I would also >>> try asking cafe staff if they could recommend a way for you to go that >>> might get you through the cafeteria a little more efficiently than the >>> way you're using now. . >>> As was said, I don't think that this is going to change. I don't >>> really see what security can do, and also think that web accessibility >>> and other matters that can't easily be remedied by individual students >>> are of more importance to faculty. Yes, left out chairs is a hassle >>> and it is a tripping hazard, but it is that way for all students, not >>> just those who are blind. They have to push in the chairs to clear a >>> path too, so the best thing you can do is figure out a way to work >>> through it to show that you are just as capable a navigator as a >>> sighted student. >>> >>> On 9/19/13, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> > Hi Nathan and all, >>> > >>> > I think there's something to say for only getting your disability >>> > office involved in matters that are serious and those that directly >>> > involve blindness. We all agree that chairs being left out are a >>> > nuisance, and they make orientation a little tougher, but they don't >>> > pose a safety hazard to blind folks who are using canes or dogs. I >>> > don't think the problem is serious enough to involve campus security. >>> > Jamie's redesign idea does sound nice for people with all kinds of >>> > disabilities, but I don't think the issue is as important as those >>> > involving campus website accessibility, for example. >>> > Nathan, I think you are a cane user, but if you're not I would >>> > encourage you to use a cane at least while you are in the café. It >>> > might help to get a little orientation through the café and, in >>> > particular, pay attention to sound cues that will help you find your >>> > way to the room you're trying to find even if the messy chairs cause >>> > you to lose your bearings. >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > Arielle >>> > >>> > On 9/19/13, minh ha wrote: >>> >> Nathan, >>> >> >>> >> There's a big difference between educating the sighted public about >>> >> what we need as blind individuals and changing bad habits. Yes, you >>> >> can talk to your DS office and security and have them post reminders, >>> >> but I would be willing to bet that the issue of chairs sticking out in >>> >> your way is not going to be resolved any time soon. I have a guide dog >>> >> now so she just takes me around the chairs or stop so I can nudge the >>> >> chair out of our path, but when I was using a cane, all I had to do >>> >> was nudge the chair in a little bit and I would have room to go on my >>> >> merry way. You could try this simple solution to see if it fixes your >>> >> problem before tackling other people's lack of courtesy. I also want >>> >> to remind you that you're not going to have a DS office or a chief of >>> >> security that you could run to in the real world when people don't >>> >> have chairs pushed in. >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> Minh >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> >>> Dear Tyler, >>> >>> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about what >>> >>> we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I don't >>> >>> want >>> >>> to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and pushes chairs for >>> >>> me >>> >>> for obvious reasons that we all know about. I understand where you >>> >>> are >>> >>> coming from and I respect your opinion. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Nathan Clark >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Tyler, >>> >>>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you can >>> >>>> travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening to the >>> >>>> door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up against the wall >>> >>>> and >>> >>>> in the middle of the café so it isn't exactly a easy navigation like >>> >>>> you thought it was. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Sincerely, >>> >>>> Nathan >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>> >>>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to do >>> >>>>> with >>> >>>>> security. >>> >>>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to deal >>> >>>>> with. >>> >>>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after everyone >>> >>>>> so >>> >>>>> you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear paths through any >>> >>>>> cafe >>> >>>>> regardless where the chairs are. My suggestion is to use your cane, >>> >>>>> find >>> >>>>> each individual chair and push it toward the table with your foot. >>> >>>>> I >>> >>>>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other hand >>> >>>>> and >>> >>>>> it works out pretty well. >>> >>>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe >>> >>>>> (depending >>> >>>>> on >>> >>>>> the layout) to get to the room you want to go to. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> >>>>>> Dear Nabs, >>> >>>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this >>> >>>>>> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college >>> >>>>>> where >>> >>>>>> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that >>> >>>>>> almost >>> >>>>>> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot >>> >>>>>> where >>> >>>>>> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My >>> >>>>>> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch >>> >>>>>> in >>> >>>>>> a >>> >>>>>> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and >>> >>>>>> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling >>> >>>>>> with >>> >>>>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave >>> >>>>>> up >>> >>>>>> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to >>> >>>>>> my >>> >>>>>> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. >>> >>>>>> The >>> >>>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security >>> >>>>>> guard >>> >>>>>> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and >>> >>>>>> she >>> >>>>>> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem >>> >>>>>> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with >>> >>>>>> the >>> >>>>>> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or >>> >>>>>> just >>> >>>>>> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could >>> >>>>>> bring >>> >>>>>> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were >>> >>>>>> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they >>> >>>>>> said >>> >>>>>> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >>> >>>>>> problem. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this >>> >>>>>> has >>> >>>>>> happened to other people on the list? >>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>> >>>>>> Nathan Clark >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >>>>>> for >>> >>>>>> nabs-l: >>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> Take care, >>> >>>>> Ty >>> >>>>> http://tds-solutions.net >>> >>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a >>> >>>>> fool; >>> >>>>> he >>> >>>>> that >>> >>>>> dares not reason is a slave. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >>>>> for >>> >>>>> nabs-l: >>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >>> >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Fri Sep 20 16:45:34 2013 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 16:45:34 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130920053348.04743580@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3d33ce3490f04f15a5eec4f9998334e0@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> Just wondering how you have handled this type of situation in the past, in high school for example? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Clark Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:40 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe Dear Jamie, I really like your idea Jamie about reorganizing the tables to make a more clear path and I will suggest this to my school when I meet with them on Tuesday. Sincerely, Nathan On 9/20/13, Kirt wrote: > Karlee, > I think having a friend help is fine. hell, I do the very same thing > you are suggesting every now and again. Still, and I say this from > personal experience, I found the putting myself in situations where > I'm forced to rely on other people, and keep in mind that I making the > distinction between being forced and choosing to do it of your own > free will every now and again, is inconvenient, inefficient and > counterproductive. I used to always get around the way you are > suggesting. And it worked probably about 80% of the time just fine. > However, those times my friends were sick, or busy with other things, > or went somewhere else for the day, or those times when I just wanted > privacy and my own personal space and couldn't have it because I needed to rely on other people were absolutely unbearable for me. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 6:34 AM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> >> Good morning, Nathan, >> >> Find yourself a hot chick, maybe and grab her arm or shoulder. >> Get help! No man is an island... >> for today, CarAt 11:39 PM 9/19/2013, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I don't know your entire situation, but here are a few suggestions. >>> I agree with the views expressed by Kirt, Arielle, Justin, and others. >>> I also like the idea of making the cafeteria more accessible to all, >>> but realistically if the school has too many tables in a room that >>> is really not big enough for them and extra space, it might not be >>> possible. >>> Getting your food in a bag or to-go box does wonders. I do this all >>> the time and it makes everything a lot easier for me. Or, since you >>> bring your lunch to school, you can skip the cafe if you really >>> don't like dealing with it that day. If you usually get a drink >>> from the cafe before sitting down to eat, try bringing something >>> from home along with your food. Or, there is nothing wrong with >>> eating outside in a courtyard or at a table in an academic building; >>> other students do it all the time. >>> If you really want to eat in the cafe though, I would suggest a few >>> things if you have not done so already. Check that you're confident >>> in using your cane skills, as that can be a huge factor in this. If >>> you can find an aisle that is more open than others to get from >>> point A to point B, figure out a route that works for you. This >>> might require practice on your own time, but can be worth it. I >>> would also try asking cafe staff if they could recommend a way for >>> you to go that might get you through the cafeteria a little more >>> efficiently than the way you're using now. . >>> As was said, I don't think that this is going to change. I don't >>> really see what security can do, and also think that web >>> accessibility and other matters that can't easily be remedied by >>> individual students are of more importance to faculty. Yes, left >>> out chairs is a hassle and it is a tripping hazard, but it is that >>> way for all students, not just those who are blind. They have to >>> push in the chairs to clear a path too, so the best thing you can do >>> is figure out a way to work through it to show that you are just as >>> capable a navigator as a sighted student. >>> >>> On 9/19/13, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> > Hi Nathan and all, >>> > >>> > I think there's something to say for only getting your disability >>> > office involved in matters that are serious and those that >>> > directly involve blindness. We all agree that chairs being left >>> > out are a nuisance, and they make orientation a little tougher, >>> > but they don't pose a safety hazard to blind folks who are using >>> > canes or dogs. I don't think the problem is serious enough to involve campus security. >>> > Jamie's redesign idea does sound nice for people with all kinds of >>> > disabilities, but I don't think the issue is as important as those >>> > involving campus website accessibility, for example. >>> > Nathan, I think you are a cane user, but if you're not I would >>> > encourage you to use a cane at least while you are in the café. It >>> > might help to get a little orientation through the café and, in >>> > particular, pay attention to sound cues that will help you find >>> > your way to the room you're trying to find even if the messy >>> > chairs cause you to lose your bearings. >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > Arielle >>> > >>> > On 9/19/13, minh ha wrote: >>> >> Nathan, >>> >> >>> >> There's a big difference between educating the sighted public >>> >> about what we need as blind individuals and changing bad habits. >>> >> Yes, you can talk to your DS office and security and have them >>> >> post reminders, but I would be willing to bet that the issue of >>> >> chairs sticking out in your way is not going to be resolved any >>> >> time soon. I have a guide dog now so she just takes me around the >>> >> chairs or stop so I can nudge the chair out of our path, but when >>> >> I was using a cane, all I had to do was nudge the chair in a >>> >> little bit and I would have room to go on my merry way. You could >>> >> try this simple solution to see if it fixes your problem before >>> >> tackling other people's lack of courtesy. I also want to remind >>> >> you that you're not going to have a DS office or a chief of >>> >> security that you could run to in the real world when people don't have chairs pushed in. >>> >> >>> >> Cheers, >>> >> Minh >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> >>> Dear Tyler, >>> >>> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about >>> >>> what we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I >>> >>> don't want to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and >>> >>> pushes chairs for me for obvious reasons that we all know about. >>> >>> I understand where you are coming from and I respect your >>> >>> opinion. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Nathan Clark >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Tyler, >>> >>>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you >>> >>>> can travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening >>> >>>> to the door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up >>> >>>> against the wall and in the middle of the café so it isn't >>> >>>> exactly a easy navigation like you thought it was. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Sincerely, >>> >>>> Nathan >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>> >>>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to >>> >>>>> do with security. >>> >>>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to >>> >>>>> deal with. >>> >>>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after >>> >>>>> everyone so you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear >>> >>>>> paths through any cafe regardless where the chairs are. My >>> >>>>> suggestion is to use your cane, find each individual chair and >>> >>>>> push it toward the table with your foot. >>> >>>>> I >>> >>>>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other >>> >>>>> hand and it works out pretty well. >>> >>>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe >>> >>>>> (depending on the layout) to get to the room you want to go >>> >>>>> to. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >>> >>>>>> Dear Nabs, >>> >>>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on >>> >>>>>> this list but I have a situation that I have at my community >>> >>>>>> college where I would like to have some opinions fro you all. >>> >>>>>> about. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered >>> >>>>>> that almost every table that I came upon had chairs that were >>> >>>>>> sticking ot where people had been sitting in and forgot to >>> >>>>>> push their chairs in. My school had a room off the café where >>> >>>>>> students can eat their lunch in a more quieter environment >>> >>>>>> which is where I usually eat my lunch and that is where I >>> >>>>>> wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with >>> >>>>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just >>> >>>>>> gave up and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After >>> >>>>>> eating, I went to my school's Secutrity department and >>> >>>>>> expressed my concerns with them. >>> >>>>>> The >>> >>>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a >>> >>>>>> security guard but the secretary for the department. She >>> >>>>>> knows me very well and she knows from previous semesters that >>> >>>>>> I have encountered this problem before with the café. She >>> >>>>>> helped me schedule an appointment with the Assistant Chieef >>> >>>>>> of Security on Tuesday. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the >>> >>>>>> meeting or just dropped the problem. What could be some >>> >>>>>> solutions that I could bring up to my meeting with the >>> >>>>>> Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were wondering I forgot >>> >>>>>> to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said that they >>> >>>>>> would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >>> >>>>>> problem. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if >>> >>>>>> this has happened to other people on the list? >>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>> >>>>>> Nathan Clark >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >>>>>> info for >>> >>>>>> nabs-l: >>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40t >>> >>>>>> ysdomain.com >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> Take care, >>> >>>>> Ty >>> >>>>> http://tds-solutions.net >>> >>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a >>> >>>>> fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >>>>> info for >>> >>>>> nabs-l: >>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troublecla >>> >>>>> rk%40gmail.com >>> >>>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> >>> info for >>> >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%4 >>> >>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>> >> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act >>> >> on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. >>> >> Lawrence >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>> >> mail.com >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet >>> > 104%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comca >>> st.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40 >> gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gma > il.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 16:49:03 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 12:49:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> <15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9EEBA900-D329-427B-8FF8-1D5B3CED9B37@yahoo.com> Hello, my advisor suggested that I go to DSS. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > > I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle this. > > Anna E Givens > >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >> >> I will. Thank you! >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >>> >>> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I would >>> really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out your case on >>> paper so he can see what happened. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey >>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>> >>> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new director now. I >>> asked him, and was told he would look into it. >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>> Pompey >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>> >>>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> >>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that >>>>> if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under >>>>> the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a student under >>>>> your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>> Pompey >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>> >>>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from >>>>> their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated >>>>> in the course? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you! >>>>> >>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>> http://pompey2050 >>>>> >>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >>>>> 4 >>>>> 0gmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >>>>> o >>>>> .com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>>> 0gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo >>>> .com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From merlyn_hileman at aol.com Fri Sep 20 16:50:24 2013 From: merlyn_hileman at aol.com (Merlyn Hileman) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 12:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog In-Reply-To: <-3576090206921114579@unknownmsgid> References: <-3576090206921114579@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <8D08438A2E539C9-1840-2CC9@webmail-d284.sysops.aol.com> Hi all, If there is a particular table or area of the room that always seems less crowded, you could start looking there since there will be more open seats. My high school cafeteria is huge and almost impossible to navigate, but there is one table that is almost never full. I know this table will have a seat available, so I sit there every day. So if you can find a certain table or general area that is almost never crowded, you can go to that spot every time you go in the room. Merlyn Hileman -----Original Message----- From: christopher nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Fri, Sep 20, 2013 8:14 am Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog That works well, as does simply approaching a seat and asking if there is someone in it. This works especially well in a café or school cafeteria. In my high school's cafeteria, I will usually approach a table and ask if there are any seats there. It's slow going sometimes, but I think it's a good way to find a seat if help isn't readily available. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone On Sep 20, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good morning, In my experience as a total, there's nothing wrong with simply using the back of your hand to brush a seet back to see if it's occupied. > > Also works well for finding empty seats, on a bus or rain. > Good luck, with thaat load you carry! > for today, CarAt 01:29 PM 9/19/2013, you wrote: >> Not sure. I already have a lunch box on it. I can't bring smaller than half >> gallon because I am gone for 12 hours on Tuesday and thursday and really >> don't want to pay for water. I swear I need an assistant to help carry all >> my stuff lol. >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Anjelina Cruz wrote: >> >> > Could a bigger thermos attach to your bag so you'd have a hand free >> > for a lightweight id cane? >> > >> > On 9/19/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> > > It would be very difficult I use a roller bag because I carry 30lbs of >> > > equipment with me portable cctv, laptop etc and then I have to bring 1/2 >> > > gallon of water in the other hand since I am on the surface of the sun in >> > > phoenix. I tried a backback but there is not one big enough for all the >> > > crap I bring. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:38 AM, justin williams < >> > > justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > >> Carry a cane would be my answer. Without it, it is diffidult to >> > indentify >> > >> you as visually impaired. >> > >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne >> > >> Germano >> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 2:12 PM >> > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Finding seats VI that does not use cane or dog >> > >> >> > >> I don't use a cane or dog but when I walk into a room like the >> > >> engineering >> > >> tutoring center, I find it very hard to know where an empty seat is. >> > >> these >> > >> are tables that hold 6-8 people. >> > >> >> > >> Being someone use does not use a cane I find people difficult if you say >> > >> for >> > >> example "I am visually impaired would you mind showing me where an empty >> > >> seat is" It seems they have to go through the song and dance of "you >> > >> don't >> > >> look blind" "why don't you get glasses" but rarely answer the question. >> > >> >> > >> Because I am not obviously visually impaired I feel very uncomfortable >> > >> just >> > >> walking up and down between all the tables looking for a spot when just >> > >> off >> > >> to the side I may have missed one. I feel like everyone is wondering >> > what >> > >> the hell I am doing and thinking I look stupid. >> > >> >> > >> I know this comes from years and years and years of being teased and no >> > >> one >> > >> understanding legally blind and I should just get over feeling like they >> > >> think I look stupid. But in the meantime does anyone have any good >> > >> techniques? >> > >> >> > >> I did use a cane in high school. Partially for identification and partly >> > >> for >> > >> mobility but I still had issues with people because I would ALWAYS get >> > >> the >> > >> comment "Your not blind" They could never just answer my question like >> > >> what >> > >> bus is this >> > >> >> > >> Suzanne >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> nabs-l mailing list >> > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > >> nabs-l: >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> > >> .com >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> nabs-l mailing list >> > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > >> nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Anjelina >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merlyn_hileman%40aol.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 17:06:55 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 12:06:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <9EEBA900-D329-427B-8FF8-1D5B3CED9B37@yahoo.com> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> <15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> <9EEBA900-D329-427B-8FF8-1D5B3CED9B37@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8AC66CBB-3D21-4BF0-85C1-C0282229F28D@gmail.com> Lol!! DSS had no ability to change grades or do anything with them. i would go talk to a different advisor. Seems like yours does not understand the problem. When transcripts are changed, it has to be done by your college at the university or department. Your advisor should know about this. Even if DSS had power to change grades, why would they? It would just be like admitting they did not do their job well. Anna E Givens On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Hello, my advisor suggested that I go to DSS. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >> >> I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle this. >> >> Anna E Givens >> >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>> >>> I will. Thank you! >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >>>> >>>> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I would >>>> really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out your case on >>>> paper so he can see what happened. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>> >>>> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new director now. I >>>> asked him, and was told he would look into it. >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> >>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>> Pompey >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>> >>>>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>>>> >>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that >>>>>> if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under >>>>>> the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a student under >>>>>> your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>>> Pompey >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from >>>>>> their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated >>>>>> in the course? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>> >>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>> http://pompey2050 >>>>>> >>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >>>>>> 4 >>>>>> 0gmail >>>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >>>>>> o >>>>>> .com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>>>> 0gmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo >>>>> .com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 17:11:01 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:11:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <8AC66CBB-3D21-4BF0-85C1-C0282229F28D@gmail.com> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> <15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> <9EEBA900-D329-427B-8FF8-1D5B3CED9B37@yahoo.com> <8AC66CBB-3D21-4BF0-85C1-C0282229F28D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ab01ceb624$628982a0$279c87e0$@gmail.com> DSS might be able to step in, but as a consultant as you prove that the grade should be changed. And yes, the grade can only be changed by the department, but dss must be consulted to as a go between if he is to provide proof. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:07 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging Lol!! DSS had no ability to change grades or do anything with them. i would go talk to a different advisor. Seems like yours does not understand the problem. When transcripts are changed, it has to be done by your college at the university or department. Your advisor should know about this. Even if DSS had power to change grades, why would they? It would just be like admitting they did not do their job well. Anna E Givens On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Hello, my advisor suggested that I go to DSS. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >> >> I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle this. >> >> Anna E Givens >> >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>> >>> I will. Thank you! >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >>>> >>>> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I >>>> would really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out >>>> your case on paper so he can see what happened. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>> Pompey >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>> >>>> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new >>>> director now. I asked him, and was told he would look into it. >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> >>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>> Pompey >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>> >>>>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>>>> >>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know >>>>>> that if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student >>>>>> under the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a >>>>>> student under your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Bobbi Pompey >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed >>>>>> from their college transcript because they were not properly >>>>>> accommodated in the course? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>> >>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>> http://pompey2050 >>>>>> >>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>>>>> ms2% >>>>>> 4 >>>>>> 0gmail >>>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 >>>>>> yaho >>>>>> o >>>>>> .com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.william >>>>> s2%4 >>>>> 0gmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40y >>>>> ahoo >>>>> .com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams >>>> 2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40ya >>>> hoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >> o.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail. > com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Fri Sep 20 17:10:54 2013 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 17:10:54 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <8AC66CBB-3D21-4BF0-85C1-C0282229F28D@gmail.com> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> <15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> <9EEBA900-D329-427B-8FF8-1D5B3CED9B37@yahoo.com> <8AC66CBB-3D21-4BF0-85C1-C0282229F28D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9e911d4f2fab41f38581fe535d2ac414@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> How were you not accommodated? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:07 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging Lol!! DSS had no ability to change grades or do anything with them. i would go talk to a different advisor. Seems like yours does not understand the problem. When transcripts are changed, it has to be done by your college at the university or department. Your advisor should know about this. Even if DSS had power to change grades, why would they? It would just be like admitting they did not do their job well. Anna E Givens On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Hello, my advisor suggested that I go to DSS. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >> >> I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle this. >> >> Anna E Givens >> >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>> >>> I will. Thank you! >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >>>> >>>> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I >>>> would really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out >>>> your case on paper so he can see what happened. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>> Pompey >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>> >>>> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new >>>> director now. I asked him, and was told he would look into it. >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> >>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>> Pompey >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>> >>>>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>>>> >>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know >>>>>> that if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student >>>>>> under the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a >>>>>> student under your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Bobbi Pompey >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed >>>>>> from their college transcript because they were not properly >>>>>> accommodated in the course? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>> >>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>> http://pompey2050 >>>>>> >>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>>>>> ms2% >>>>>> 4 >>>>>> 0gmail >>>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 >>>>>> yaho >>>>>> o >>>>>> .com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.william >>>>> s2%4 >>>>> 0gmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40y >>>>> ahoo >>>>> .com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams >>>> 2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40ya >>>> hoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >> o.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail. > com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 17:20:46 2013 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 10:20:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] French books? In-Reply-To: References: <5238c854.420fec0a.0527.fffffcce@mx.google.com> <5a617351859345638e563fe11988d40d@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <523AACF3.9030803@gmail.com> Message-ID: <523C83EE.7020701@gmail.com> Hello, My AS office got back the first 4 chapters to me and they are so-so. I can't get a couple of the symbals just in Braille, I have to use the screen reader to get like the Plus sign in French Braille, but the other stuff seems fine. When connected to the computer though, the Braille for the E acute looks really strange, it has a dot 4 then like 6 characters and then another dot 4. When I put the document on a flash Drive and put it into the Apex things look a little better. There are some places where they put the english words as french, so words like and and in or people are not contracted correctly. How picky should I be? Here is the first section of the chapter and pretty much the whole book is like this, every few words it changes between french and English. Chapitre COMPETENCE Saying what you like to do Les passe-tempsSaying what you like to do L'infinitif Stratégies et Compréhension auditive .Pour mieux comprendre:Listening for spécifié information .Compréhension auditive:On sort ensemble? Saying how you spend your free time Le week-end Telling what you do, how often, and how well Les verbes en-eret les adverbes Telling what you do Quelques verbes à changements orthographiques Asking about someone's day La journée Asking for information Les mots interrogatifs Asking questions Les questions par inversion 4 Going to the café Au café Paying the bill Les chiffres de trente à cent et l'argent RepriseLes Stagiaires Lecture et Composition .Pour mieux lire:Making intelligentguesses .Lecture:Aux Trois Obus .Pour mieux écrire:Using logical order and standard phrases .Composition:Au café Comparaisons culturellesLe café et le fastfood Résumé I'm going to ask that they fix the spelling errors and change the Ls and Is from 1s to the letters, but how much else should I tell them they need to fix before I consider it quality? Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs On 9/19/2013 10:51 AM, Dan Burke wrote: > Yes, on the Review ribbon there are two language items, the first is for translation, the second has the option to set the proofing language. It inserts codes into the document that are referred to by JAWS or Duxbury if you are translating into Braille. > > Best, > Dan > > > Dan Burke > Academic and Youth Services > Colorado Center for the Blind > Take charge with confidence and self-reliance > > www.cocenter.org > facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind > @CoCenter4Blind > www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg > > 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. > Littleton, CO 80120 > 303-778-1130 ext. 210 > Fax: 303-778-1598 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:51 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? > > Hello, > I did some research and the only mark for a language one can do in Word > is to tell Word what dictionary to use to spell check the text. Is that > what you are talking about? > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/switch-between-different-languages-by-setting-the-proofing-language-HA010354272.aspx > Thank you, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > > On 9/17/2013 2:56 PM, Dan Burke wrote: >> Brandon, >> >> I think a combination of the ideas presented may be your best solution. >> >> I agree that Braille is the best way to study a new language. >> >> Taking the clean Word doc and coding all the French language areas as French is the process that they would have to follow, however. It is time-consuming. But that is the only way you will get the correct language codings and therefore the correct Braille output. Scanning the book won't produce that without the intensive coding. And by the way, they need to have auto-correct turned off on the spell-checker. (grin) >> >> Once they have that done, they can import it into Duxbury and translate it. If you want it in hard-copy you can have it. And you can also load the .brf files into your Apex. >> >> Do you know the French braille code? You need to. >> >> By the way, disability rights laws in higher ed don't care about the DS office's annual budget. The institution's annual budget is the only factor that matters in determining if a request for modifications is reasonable or if it is an "undue burden." >> >> Best, >> Dan >> >> >> Dan Burke >> Academic and Youth Services >> Colorado Center for the Blind >> Take charge with confidence and self-reliance >> >> www.cocenter.org >> facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind >> @CoCenter4Blind >> www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg >> >> 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. >> Littleton, CO 80120 >> 303-778-1130 ext. 210 >> Fax: 303-778-1598 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist >> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:23 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? >> >> Jewel, if I were you, I would let them give you the clean doc and >> read it on your apex. That's what I do with nearly all of my >> textbooks. French is no different. The braillenote can read >> French. If you need to know how to get it to do that, feel free >> to email me offlist. >> >> HTH, >> Sophie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jewel > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:58:13 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? >> >> I got my French book in Word documents. The AT specialist scanned >> the text, then went through and set the French portions to read >> with the JAWS French voice. Anyone can do this, but I don't >> remember how it is done. It is also very time consuming. But it >> allowed me to read and spell the text in French, and helped me >> with pronunciation. I don't know how it would be done in Braille, >> or if that would even be helpful, unless you happen to know >> French Braille, which is different from American Braille. I would >> suggest doing it the way I did, with the French portions of the >> text read with the French voice. Once you have a general grasp of >> the language, then you can work on learning French Braille, when >> all the accents will make sense. This is just my opinion, though, >> so you don't have to listen to me. *grins* >> -Jewel >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 17, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> I am taking a french class this Fall quarter and my school is >> trying to figure out how they can get me my French book. I have >> told them that I wanted it in Braille, but they don't know what >> the best way to get it to me is. >> They refused to get a French Braille transcriber because it >> would cost $17000 and that is the whole budget of the department. >> I asked them if they could do sections, but they were really put >> off by that quote, so are asking for other ways to get the >> Braille to me. >> I am wondering if anyone knows if: >> 1. Putting the clean doc through DBT on the french setting and >> giving it to me >> 2. giving me the clean doc and I read it on my APEX >> >> is the better option for me? >> I've never delbt with a huge French text all on its own before, >> so don't know how my technology will interact with it. >> If anyone has used any of the above options please let me know. >> Thank you, >> >> -- >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com From troubleclark at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 17:47:29 2013 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:47:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe In-Reply-To: <3d33ce3490f04f15a5eec4f9998334e0@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> References: <523B334B.6040904@tysdomain.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20130920053348.04743580@comcast.net> <3d33ce3490f04f15a5eec4f9998334e0@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: In high school, I use to buy my lunch and so whenever I came out of the cafeteria line the tables were like 10 feet in front of me and so I would just sit there. I usually was able to get in line early enough that their was not much of a crowd in the lunch room by the time I was sitting down. Luckily, in college I go to a community college so I am able to bring my lunch to school so all I am doing is walking into the café from my last class. Sincerely, Nathan On 9/20/13, Wasif, Zunaira wrote: > Just wondering how you have handled this type of situation in the past, in > high school for example? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Clark > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:40 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe > > Dear Jamie, > I really like your idea Jamie about reorganizing the tables to make a more > clear path and I will suggest this to my school when I meet with them on > Tuesday. > Sincerely, > Nathan > > On 9/20/13, Kirt wrote: >> Karlee, >> I think having a friend help is fine. hell, I do the very same thing >> you are suggesting every now and again. Still, and I say this from >> personal experience, I found the putting myself in situations where >> I'm forced to rely on other people, and keep in mind that I making the >> distinction between being forced and choosing to do it of your own >> free will every now and again, is inconvenient, inefficient and >> counterproductive. I used to always get around the way you are >> suggesting. And it worked probably about 80% of the time just fine. >> However, those times my friends were sick, or busy with other things, >> or went somewhere else for the day, or those times when I just wanted >> privacy and my own personal space and couldn't have it because I needed to >> rely on other people were absolutely unbearable for me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 6:34 AM, Carly Mihalakis >>> wrote: >>> >>> Good morning, Nathan, >>> >>> Find yourself a hot chick, maybe and grab her arm or shoulder. >>> Get help! No man is an island... >>> for today, CarAt 11:39 PM 9/19/2013, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I don't know your entire situation, but here are a few suggestions. >>>> I agree with the views expressed by Kirt, Arielle, Justin, and others. >>>> I also like the idea of making the cafeteria more accessible to all, >>>> but realistically if the school has too many tables in a room that >>>> is really not big enough for them and extra space, it might not be >>>> possible. >>>> Getting your food in a bag or to-go box does wonders. I do this all >>>> the time and it makes everything a lot easier for me. Or, since you >>>> bring your lunch to school, you can skip the cafe if you really >>>> don't like dealing with it that day. If you usually get a drink >>>> from the cafe before sitting down to eat, try bringing something >>>> from home along with your food. Or, there is nothing wrong with >>>> eating outside in a courtyard or at a table in an academic building; >>>> other students do it all the time. >>>> If you really want to eat in the cafe though, I would suggest a few >>>> things if you have not done so already. Check that you're confident >>>> in using your cane skills, as that can be a huge factor in this. If >>>> you can find an aisle that is more open than others to get from >>>> point A to point B, figure out a route that works for you. This >>>> might require practice on your own time, but can be worth it. I >>>> would also try asking cafe staff if they could recommend a way for >>>> you to go that might get you through the cafeteria a little more >>>> efficiently than the way you're using now. . >>>> As was said, I don't think that this is going to change. I don't >>>> really see what security can do, and also think that web >>>> accessibility and other matters that can't easily be remedied by >>>> individual students are of more importance to faculty. Yes, left >>>> out chairs is a hassle and it is a tripping hazard, but it is that >>>> way for all students, not just those who are blind. They have to >>>> push in the chairs to clear a path too, so the best thing you can do >>>> is figure out a way to work through it to show that you are just as >>>> capable a navigator as a sighted student. >>>> >>>> On 9/19/13, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> > Hi Nathan and all, >>>> > >>>> > I think there's something to say for only getting your disability >>>> > office involved in matters that are serious and those that >>>> > directly involve blindness. We all agree that chairs being left >>>> > out are a nuisance, and they make orientation a little tougher, >>>> > but they don't pose a safety hazard to blind folks who are using >>>> > canes or dogs. I don't think the problem is serious enough to involve >>>> > campus security. >>>> > Jamie's redesign idea does sound nice for people with all kinds of >>>> > disabilities, but I don't think the issue is as important as those >>>> > involving campus website accessibility, for example. >>>> > Nathan, I think you are a cane user, but if you're not I would >>>> > encourage you to use a cane at least while you are in the café. It >>>> > might help to get a little orientation through the café and, in >>>> > particular, pay attention to sound cues that will help you find >>>> > your way to the room you're trying to find even if the messy >>>> > chairs cause you to lose your bearings. >>>> > >>>> > Best, >>>> > Arielle >>>> > >>>> > On 9/19/13, minh ha wrote: >>>> >> Nathan, >>>> >> >>>> >> There's a big difference between educating the sighted public >>>> >> about what we need as blind individuals and changing bad habits. >>>> >> Yes, you can talk to your DS office and security and have them >>>> >> post reminders, but I would be willing to bet that the issue of >>>> >> chairs sticking out in your way is not going to be resolved any >>>> >> time soon. I have a guide dog now so she just takes me around the >>>> >> chairs or stop so I can nudge the chair out of our path, but when >>>> >> I was using a cane, all I had to do was nudge the chair in a >>>> >> little bit and I would have room to go on my merry way. You could >>>> >> try this simple solution to see if it fixes your problem before >>>> >> tackling other people's lack of courtesy. I also want to remind >>>> >> you that you're not going to have a DS office or a chief of >>>> >> security that you could run to in the real world when people don't >>>> >> have chairs pushed in. >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheers, >>>> >> Minh >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>> >>> Dear Tyler, >>>> >>> As blind people don't we want to educate others around us about >>>> >>> what we need and makes us the most successful and independent? I >>>> >>> don't want to rely on a sighted person who walks with me and >>>> >>> pushes chairs for me for obvious reasons that we all know about. >>>> >>> I understand where you are coming from and I respect your >>>> >>> opinion. >>>> >>> Sincerely, >>>> >>> Nathan Clark >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On 9/19/13, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Tyler, >>>> >>>> My school's café is not exactly layid out in a way where you >>>> >>>> can travel around the outside by the walls and find the opening >>>> >>>> to the door. Our café has tables that are both pushed up >>>> >>>> against the wall and in the middle of the café so it isn't >>>> >>>> exactly a easy navigation like you thought it was. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/19/13, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: >>>> >>>>> first, I'm not really sure what chairs being stuck out has to >>>> >>>>> do with security. >>>> >>>>> Second, I really do think there are much bigger battles to >>>> >>>>> deal with. >>>> >>>>> You could get some person that has to push in chairs after >>>> >>>>> everyone so you have clear paths, but I've never seen clear >>>> >>>>> paths through any cafe regardless where the chairs are. My >>>> >>>>> suggestion is to use your cane, find each individual chair and >>>> >>>>> push it toward the table with your foot. >>>> >>>>> I >>>> >>>>> just balance my tray on one arm and use my cane with the other >>>> >>>>> hand and it works out pretty well. >>>> >>>>> You may also be able to walk around the walls of the cafe >>>> >>>>> (depending on the layout) to get to the room you want to go >>>> >>>>> to. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On 9/19/2013 1:16 PM, Nathan Clark wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Dear Nabs, >>>> >>>>>> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on >>>> >>>>>> this list but I have a situation that I have at my community >>>> >>>>>> college where I would like to have some opinions fro you all. >>>> >>>>>> about. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered >>>> >>>>>> that almost every table that I came upon had chairs that were >>>> >>>>>> sticking ot where people had been sitting in and forgot to >>>> >>>>>> push their chairs in. My school had a room off the café where >>>> >>>>>> students can eat their lunch in a more quieter environment >>>> >>>>>> which is where I usually eat my lunch and that is where I >>>> >>>>>> wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with >>>> >>>>>> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just >>>> >>>>>> gave up and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After >>>> >>>>>> eating, I went to my school's Secutrity department and >>>> >>>>>> expressed my concerns with them. >>>> >>>>>> The >>>> >>>>>> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a >>>> >>>>>> security guard but the secretary for the department. She >>>> >>>>>> knows me very well and she knows from previous semesters that >>>> >>>>>> I have encountered this problem before with the café. She >>>> >>>>>> helped me schedule an appointment with the Assistant Chieef >>>> >>>>>> of Security on Tuesday. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the >>>> >>>>>> meeting or just dropped the problem. What could be some >>>> >>>>>> solutions that I could bring up to my meeting with the >>>> >>>>>> Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were wondering I forgot >>>> >>>>>> to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said that they >>>> >>>>>> would work with the Secutiry department to solve this >>>> >>>>>> problem. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if >>>> >>>>>> this has happened to other people on the list? >>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>>>> Nathan Clark >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> >>>>>> info for >>>> >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40t >>>> >>>>>> ysdomain.com >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> Take care, >>>> >>>>> Ty >>>> >>>>> http://tds-solutions.net >>>> >>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a >>>> >>>>> fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> >>>>> info for >>>> >>>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troublecla >>>> >>>>> rk%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> >>> info for >>>> >>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%4 >>>> >>> 0gmail.com >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>> >> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was >>>> >> vanity: >>>> >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act >>>> >> on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. >>>> >> Lawrence >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> >> for >>>> >> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >>>> >> mail.com >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> > for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet >>>> > 104%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kaiti >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comca >>>> st.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40 >>> gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gma >> il.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 19:07:40 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 15:07:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <9e911d4f2fab41f38581fe535d2ac414@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> <15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> <9EEBA900-D329-427B-8FF8-1D5B3CED9B37@yahoo.com> <8AC66CBB-3D21-4BF0-85C1-C0282229F28D@gmail.com> <9e911d4f2fab41f38581fe535d2ac414@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: I was not provide the book and other classroom materials (mainly PDFs in a format that I could access. And note takers weren't placed until months into the semester. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Sep 20, 2013, at 1:10 PM, "Wasif, Zunaira" wrote: > > How were you not accommodated? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:07 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > > Lol!! DSS had no ability to change grades or do anything with them. i would go talk to a different advisor. Seems like yours does not understand the problem. > When transcripts are changed, it has to be done by your college at the university or department. Your advisor should know about this. > Even if DSS had power to change grades, why would they? It would just be like admitting they did not do their job well. > > Anna E Givens > >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >> >> Hello, my advisor suggested that I go to DSS. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >>> >>> I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle this. >>> >>> Anna E Givens >>> >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>>> >>>> I will. Thank you! >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> >>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I >>>>> would really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out >>>>> your case on paper so he can see what happened. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>> Pompey >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>> >>>>> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new >>>>> director now. I asked him, and was told he would look into it. >>>>> >>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>>> Pompey >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>> >>>>>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know >>>>>>> that if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student >>>>>>> under the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a >>>>>>> student under your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Bobbi Pompey >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed >>>>>>> from their college transcript because they were not properly >>>>>>> accommodated in the course? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>>> http://pompey2050 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>>>>>> ms2% >>>>>>> 4 >>>>>>> 0gmail >>>>>>> .com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 >>>>>>> yaho >>>>>>> o >>>>>>> .com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.william >>>>>> s2%4 >>>>>> 0gmail >>>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40y >>>>>> ahoo >>>>>> .com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams >>>>> 2%40gmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40ya >>>>> hoo.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >>> o.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail. >> com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Sep 20 19:50:32 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:50:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> <15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> <9EEBA900-D329-427B-8FF8-1D5B3CED9B37@yahoo.com> <8AC66CBB-3D21-4BF0-85C1-C0282229F28D@gmail.com> <9e911d4f2fab41f38581fe535d2ac414@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Hi Bobbi, I guess I'm not understanding how you went through the entire course without getting proper accommodations. Most schools have a process through which you could withdraw from a class part of the way through, for any reason, without your GPA being impacted. Is there a reason why you did not pursue the mid-semester withdrawal option? Were you promised accommodations that never came? I think it will be harder for you to argue for grade expungement if withdrawal was an option. Many students have problems that impact their course grades besides disability-related issues. Re-taking a course is often an option provided to any student who earns a failing or near-failing grade in a course, and this option benefits many students, for example those who become ill or experience a family illness mid-semester but are able to succeed the second time they take the course. You might explore taking the course again with a different instructor if you feel the first instructor didn't accommodate you properly. Also, just FYI, there are several ways to access textbooks besides waiting for the DSS office to provide them, including the libraries of Learning Ally and BookShare, CourseSmart textbook rentals, scanning your own books and hiring readers. Many DSS offices are simply short-staffed and cannot provide the full set of accommodations to every student in a timely fashion. It is ultimately up to you to obtain your accommodations through whatever method is most reliable, whether that be on or off campus, and I hate to say it, but if you rely exclusively on the DSS office for all your accommodation needs, you are likely to have problems in more courses than just that one. We on the list are all here to help you explore alternative means of getting your materials so you can succeed in school. Best, Arielle On 9/20/13, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > I was not provide the book and other classroom materials (mainly PDFs in a > format that I could access. And note takers weren't placed until months into > the semester. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 1:10 PM, "Wasif, Zunaira" >> wrote: >> >> How were you not accommodated? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens >> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:07 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >> >> Lol!! DSS had no ability to change grades or do anything with them. i >> would go talk to a different advisor. Seems like yours does not >> understand the problem. >> When transcripts are changed, it has to be done by your college at the >> university or department. Your advisor should know about this. >> Even if DSS had power to change grades, why would they? It would just be >> like admitting they did not do their job well. >> >> Anna E Givens >> >>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>> >>> Hello, my advisor suggested that I go to DSS. >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >>>> >>>> I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar >>>> issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would >>>> definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle >>>> this. >>>> >>>> Anna E Givens >>>> >>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I will. Thank you! >>>>> >>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I >>>>>> would really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out >>>>>> your case on paper so he can see what happened. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>>> Pompey >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>> >>>>>> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new >>>>>> director now. I asked him, and was told he would look into it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>>>> Pompey >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know >>>>>>>> that if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student >>>>>>>> under the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a >>>>>>>> student under your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> Bobbi Pompey >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed >>>>>>>> from their college transcript because they were not properly >>>>>>>> accommodated in the course? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>>>> http://pompey2050 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>>>>>>> ms2% >>>>>>>> 4 >>>>>>>> 0gmail >>>>>>>> .com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 >>>>>>>> yaho >>>>>>>> o >>>>>>>> .com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ 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change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >>>> o.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail. >>> com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 19:57:06 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 15:57:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> <15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> <9EEBA900-D329-427B-8FF8-1D5B3CED9B37@yahoo.com> <8AC66CBB-3D21-4BF0-85C1-C0282229F28D@gmail.com> <9e911d4f2fab41f38581fe535d2ac414@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <5FE01A5F-0B3C-4C3D-9C46-355630F53D87@yahoo.com> I did withdraw from some courses. My university only allows you to withdraw from a limited amount of courses. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Sep 20, 2013, at 3:50 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > Hi Bobbi, > > I guess I'm not understanding how you went through the entire course > without getting proper accommodations. Most schools have a process > through which you could withdraw from a class part of the way through, > for any reason, without your GPA being impacted. Is there a reason why > you did not pursue the mid-semester withdrawal option? Were you > promised accommodations that never came? I think it will be harder for > you to argue for grade expungement if withdrawal was an option. > Many students have problems that impact their course grades besides > disability-related issues. Re-taking a course is often an option > provided to any student who earns a failing or near-failing grade in a > course, and this option benefits many students, for example those who > become ill or experience a family illness mid-semester but are able to > succeed the second time they take the course. You might explore taking > the course again with a different instructor if you feel the first > instructor didn't accommodate you properly. > Also, just FYI, there are several ways to access textbooks besides > waiting for the DSS office to provide them, including the libraries of > Learning Ally and BookShare, CourseSmart textbook rentals, scanning > your own books and hiring readers. Many DSS offices are simply > short-staffed and cannot provide the full set of accommodations to > every student in a timely fashion. It is ultimately up to you to > obtain your accommodations through whatever method is most reliable, > whether that be on or off campus, and I hate to say it, but if you > rely exclusively on the DSS office for all your accommodation needs, > you are likely to have problems in more courses than just that one. We > on the list are all here to help you explore alternative means of > getting your materials so you can succeed in school. > > Best, > Arielle > >> On 9/20/13, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >> I was not provide the book and other classroom materials (mainly PDFs in a >> format that I could access. And note takers weren't placed until months into >> the semester. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 1:10 PM, "Wasif, Zunaira" >>> wrote: >>> >>> How were you not accommodated? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens >>> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:07 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>> >>> Lol!! DSS had no ability to change grades or do anything with them. i >>> would go talk to a different advisor. Seems like yours does not >>> understand the problem. >>> When transcripts are changed, it has to be done by your college at the >>> university or department. Your advisor should know about this. >>> Even if DSS had power to change grades, why would they? It would just be >>> like admitting they did not do their job well. >>> >>> Anna E Givens >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, my advisor suggested that I go to DSS. >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> >>>>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar >>>>> issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would >>>>> definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle >>>>> this. >>>>> >>>>> Anna E Givens >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I will. Thank you! >>>>>> >>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I >>>>>>> would really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out >>>>>>> your case on paper so he can see what happened. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>>>> Pompey >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new >>>>>>> director now. I asked him, and was told he would look into it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>>>>> Pompey >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know >>>>>>>>> that if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student >>>>>>>>> under the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a >>>>>>>>> student under your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>> Bobbi Pompey >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed >>>>>>>>> from their college transcript because they were not properly >>>>>>>>> accommodated in the course? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>>>>> http://pompey2050 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>>>>>>>> ms2% >>>>>>>>> 4 >>>>>>>>> 0gmail >>>>>>>>> .com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 >>>>>>>>> yaho >>>>>>>>> o >>>>>>>>> .com >>>>>>>> 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change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams >>>>>>> 2%40gmail >>>>>>> .com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40ya >>>>>>> hoo.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmai >>>>>> l.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list 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mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Fri Sep 20 19:57:18 2013 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 19:57:18 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> <15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> <9EEBA900-D329-427B-8FF8-1D5B3CED9B37@yahoo.com> <8AC66CBB-3D21-4BF0-85C1-C0282229F28D@gmail.com> <9e911d4f2fab41f38581fe535d2ac414@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <61b1a9b45fae4584b6d494e7a6d235e3@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> Maybe you should have taken in incomplete. Were their outstanding assignments? What class was it? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging I was not provide the book and other classroom materials (mainly PDFs in a format that I could access. And note takers weren't placed until months into the semester. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Sep 20, 2013, at 1:10 PM, "Wasif, Zunaira" wrote: > > How were you not accommodated? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna > Givens > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:07 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > > Lol!! DSS had no ability to change grades or do anything with them. i would go talk to a different advisor. Seems like yours does not understand the problem. > When transcripts are changed, it has to be done by your college at the university or department. Your advisor should know about this. > Even if DSS had power to change grades, why would they? It would just be like admitting they did not do their job well. > > Anna E Givens > >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >> >> Hello, my advisor suggested that I go to DSS. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >>> >>> I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle this. >>> >>> Anna E Givens >>> >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>>> >>>> I will. Thank you! >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> >>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though >>>>> I would really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write >>>>> out your case on paper so he can see what happened. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>> Pompey >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>> >>>>> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new >>>>> director now. I asked him, and was told he would look into it. >>>>> >>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Bobbi Pompey >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>> >>>>>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know >>>>>>> that if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a >>>>>>> student under the dss office, then you can't. However, if you >>>>>>> were a student under your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Bobbi Pompey >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed >>>>>>> from their college transcript because they were not properly >>>>>>> accommodated in the course? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>>> http://pompey2050 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. 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> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo > .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org From sgermano at asu.edu Fri Sep 20 20:07:39 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:07:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> <15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> <9EEBA900-D329-427B-8FF8-1D5B3CED9B37@yahoo.com> <8AC66CBB-3D21-4BF0-85C1-C0282229F28D@gmail.com> <9e911d4f2fab41f38581fe535d2ac414@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: I would have dropped the course. You have almost the entire semester to drop. You get a W but that does not affect gpa On Friday, September 20, 2013, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > I was not provide the book and other classroom materials (mainly PDFs in a > format that I could access. And note takers weren't placed until months > into the semester. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > > > On Sep 20, 2013, at 1:10 PM, "Wasif, Zunaira" < > Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org> wrote: > > > > How were you not accommodated? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens > > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:07 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > > > > Lol!! DSS had no ability to change grades or do anything with them. i > would go talk to a different advisor. Seems like yours does not understand > the problem. > > When transcripts are changed, it has to be done by your college at the > university or department. Your advisor should know about this. > > Even if DSS had power to change grades, why would they? It would just > be like admitting they did not do their job well. > > > > Anna E Givens > > > >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Bobbi Pompey > wrote: > >> > >> Hello, my advisor suggested that I go to DSS. > >> > >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey > >> (336) 988-6375 > >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com > >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> > >>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > >>> > >>> I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar > issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would > definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle this. > >>> > >>> Anna E Givens > >>> > >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I will. Thank you! > >>>> > >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey > >>>> (336) 988-6375 > >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com > >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >>>> > >>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" < > justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I > >>>>> would really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out > >>>>> your case on paper so he can see what happened. > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi > >>>>> Pompey > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM > >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > >>>>> > >>>>> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new > >>>>> director now. I asked him, and was told he would look into it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey > >>>>> (336) 988-6375 > >>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com > >>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Sep 20 21:04:05 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 17:04:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12B80BFB738D4577B6310DF88697F083@OwnerPC> Bobby, I'm assuming you are asking this because you have a grade on the transcript which you wish would be removed. No, I haven't heard of any grades being removed on the basis of lack of accomodations. I do know many students who did not do well or in some cases failed a course due to accomodation issues. If you already have the grade, the best thing to do is discuss the problem with your advisor. See what options you have now to raise your GPA. I really doubt grade expunging is an option but this is a question for your advisor since every school is different. As Arielle said, I'm surprised you went through a whole semester without taking action to secure accomodations or withdraw. Typically, withdrawing is an option that does not impact your GPA. Also, if you could not complete the work in time or something like that, discussing with the professor some issues and then taking an incomplete may be optional. I would think the best option is to retake the class. Retake it with another professor if possible. If this is the only course you have grade issues with, then this should not affect your GPA too much provided that you retake the class and do better. If its an elective or a course you have other options for, then you might pursue those options for that type of credit rather than retaking the class. What I mean is schools have requirements for certain subjects but within that requirement, you can take a number of classes to fulfill that requirement. For instance, my school required you to take a two class science class. I chose biology as the lesser of the evils as science is very hard for me. I could have picked chemistry or geology though to satisfy this requirement. So, I am suggesting you take another class to satisfy this particular requirement. All schools are different, so talking to your advisor or someone higher up like an assistant dean is a good approach to see what your options are. Also, as Arielle said, do not go through the semester without the textvook and materials. You can get volunteer readers or even paid ones if you can afford that. Pay them by the hour as I did. Another option if you can study with audio books is Learning Ally. You can download the books and play them on your computer, braille notetaker, or mobile smart phone and other devices. You can also get daisy cds if you have an accessory such as the victor stratus to play them. Their site is www.learningally.org for more info. For other accomodations, work with your dss office and professors to get those. If the professor fails to accommodate you, tell dss and then go up the chain if needed. I had a professor refuse to give me his powerpoint slides and got dss involved. I also had another professor who refused me extra time on online quizzes which I felt I needed as it takes longer with jaws and blackboard. So my dss counselor spoke to the professor about this. I had a few professors who either were not accomodating or just hard to work with. In such instances, I either did not take the class, took it with another professor, took a different class to satisfy that subject requirement, or as a last resort I took the class and worked as well as I could with the professor. I hope things work out for you. I know how it feels to not be accomodated well or in a timely manner. I've been through that a lot! Professors seem to forget to send me accessible handouts and slides and to add to that the professors do not check email enough. So when I keep sending them emails as reminders, I would not get a response. Now, I was not a pest. I emailed once or twice a week. But I felt I needed to be persistent when they failed to respond. If that did not work, I would call them if they gave us their number. Also, speaking to them in person stressing how important access to material is often helped. I did this during office hours. They have five classes to teach as a full time professor plus other duties such as committees. If they are adjunct, they have one to three classes to teach typically. Adjunct professors have another job usually and leave campus after teaching So they are very busy and forget or just don't want to give you material in accessible format. I hope things work out. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi Pompey Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated in the course? Thank you! Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050 Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From mistydbradley at gmail.com Sat Sep 21 00:42:44 2013 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 20:42:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com><008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com><009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com><21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com><009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com><15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60FE2A66824C4F7F85C0A8C65ED90B80@MistyBradleyPC> I have never had a grade expunged, but I almost got an F because an Economics class Pearson lab was not accessible, but I went on my college's website and read the procedures for appealing a grade and getting it turned into a withdrawal, or a W, rather than an F. I had to write a letter to the dean explaining why I was appealing for a grade of W instead of an F and explaining that the course was not accessible and I was not given any accomodation. Perhaps you could set up a meeting with the dean of the college or the dean of the department over the class you are taking? Misty -----Original Message----- From: Anna Givens Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle this. Anna E Givens On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > I will. Thank you! > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" >> wrote: >> >> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I would >> really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out your case >> on >> paper so he can see what happened. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >> >> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new director >> now. I >> asked him, and was told he would look into it. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>> Pompey >>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>> >>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that >>>> if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under >>>> the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a student under >>>> your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>> Pompey >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>> >>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from >>>> their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated >>>> in the course? >>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050 >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >>>> 4 >>>> 0gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >>>> o >>>> .com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo >>> .com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Sep 21 03:26:37 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 23:26:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: accessible-iOS FW: [BARD-Support] Welcome to BARD Mobile References: <04FAD2B0E9C94EDB8815108C0655C251@LemServer> Message-ID: <6958597899010803232@unknownmsgid> Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: *From:* "Alan Lemly" *Date:* September 20, 2013 at 12:25:16 PM EDT *To:* , , "'i devices'" *Subject:* *accessible-iOS FW: [BARD-Support] Welcome to BARD Mobile* *Reply-To:* accessible-ios at freelists.org Here's the announcement from NLS BARD Technical Support about the release of the BARD Mobile app. Alan Lemly -----Original Message----- From: NLS BARD Technical Support [mailto:BARD-SUPPORT at LISTSERV.LOC.GOV] On Behalf Of NLSDownload Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:42 AM To: BARD-SUPPORT at LISTSERV.LOC.GOV Subject: [BARD-Support] Welcome to BARD Mobile Dear List Members, We are excited to tell you that the BARD mobile iOS app is out! There are several things which we thought those of you interested in the app would want to know before you download it, and things you might want to do in order to ensure that you'll be able to use the app right away without frustration. BARD Mobile will work on any iOS device running iOS 4.3.3 or later. This includes the iPhone 3GS and all later iPhones, all iPads, and fourth generation or later iPod touches. If you have one of these devices, be sure it is running iOS 4.3.3 or later. You can't use a temporary password when logging onto BARD from the app, so be sure you have a working BARD username and permanent password before you attempt to log in with BARD Mobile. The app also will not work if you need to agree to the BARD pledge. If you have a temporary password, log into the BARD website at https://nlsbard.loc.gov to create a new password. And even if you have a working password, it's a good idea to log into the website and take the pledge if requested. Note that you can log into the BARD website using Safari on an iOS device if you like. The BARD Mobile app allows you to download items from the Recently Added Books and Recently Added Magazines sections of the BARD site and from your wish list. So if there are books you know you're going to want to read right away, add them to your wish list. It is also easy to add books to your wish list from within BARD Mobile because when you browse the site either from within the app or from Safari on your iOS device, the Download link following every book title changes to an Add to Wish List link. BARD Mobile must be open while books are downloading; if you switch to a different app, downloading will stop. Also, the screen must be unlocked throughout the download process. We encourage you to take a look at the BARD Mobile user guide. You can find it at https://nlsbard.loc.gov/apidocs/BARDMobile.userguide.iOS.1.0.html. The manual is also available in the app, in the Help section of the BARD Mobile bookshelf. If you want to read braille books with BARD Mobile, you'll need a braille display. Be sure to read Section 7 of the user guide, as it explains how to configure your display and provides keystrokes that make reading braille a smooth experience. If you have BARD books or magazines on your computer, you can use iTunes file sharing or Dropbox to load them into BARD Mobile. Load them as zip files; BARD Mobile will unpack them automatically. When you open a talking book or magazine that you have loaded in this way for the first time, be sure BARD Mobile has access to the Internet, as the app will need to download an authorization file from the BARD website. This step is not necessary for braille files. This should be enough info to get you started. Enjoy the app! 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To adjust your membership options please visit: http://www.freelists.org/list/accessible-ios From brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com Sat Sep 21 03:44:15 2013 From: brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com (Brandon Keith Biggs) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 20:44:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <12B80BFB738D4577B6310DF88697F083@OwnerPC> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <12B80BFB738D4577B6310DF88697F083@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <523D160F.50706@gmail.com> Hello, It is nearly impossible to get a grade removed on a transcript. The only ones who can do it are if the committee that deals with academic affairs voats. They are the same ones who deal with cheating and whatnot at my school. It is a huge long drawn out process and has very little chance of working. The best way to remove that F is to retake that class and if it isn't accessible, withdraw. If that doesn't work, appeal to get those two letters removed (the w and f). They will only get removed if you have a decent GPA though and they can see that you aren't just wanting to remove a grade to increase your GPA. In the future though, wail on the Accessibility office and the teacher till that class is accessible enough for you to get an A. I wait till the second week and if I don't think I have a fighting chance, I spend all my extra time camping out in the accessibility office, filling everyone's inbox with emails and making sure my instructor knows what is going on. If it is the instructor who is the problem, I camp out in their office till we work something out. I have also on two occasions brought the whole accessibility teem to my teacher's office. The first time the teacher capitulated instantly. The second one was complicated, but we worked out a satisfactory arrangement in the end. I call the accessibility office my Big guns and the chair or head of the accessibility department Sasha (Game reference). If they aren't able to do anything, I get the chair of my department in, the deen of my department in, the head of my college in, then if need be (Although I have never gone past my chair), the president of the school. I start with the first one on that list and if they can't help, I go higher. Just about any class can be made accessible if one is willing to put in the effort. One can even go as far as substituting the required class from another school for the required class at your current school. I was really considering doing that at my last school, but changed majors before I went through with it. When it gets fun is when you know you will get an A, but you don't know if you will get anything out of the class. I have one class I am required to take every quarter I'm at my school and to say it is boring, dumb, worthless to me is giving it a complement to it. But I'm working my hardest to make it mean something because I have it for two more years... Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs On 9/20/2013 2:04 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Bobby, > I'm assuming you are asking this because you have a grade on the > transcript which you wish would be removed. > No, I haven't heard of any grades being removed on the basis of lack > of accomodations. > I do know many students who did not do well or in some cases failed a > course due to accomodation issues. > > If you already have the grade, the best thing to do is discuss the > problem with your advisor. See what options you have now to raise your > GPA. > I really doubt grade expunging is an option but this is a question for > your advisor since every school is different. > As Arielle said, I'm surprised you went through a whole semester > without taking action to secure accomodations or withdraw. > Typically, withdrawing is an option that does not impact your GPA. > Also, if you could not complete the work in time or something like > that, discussing with the professor some issues and then taking an > incomplete may be optional. > I would think the best option is to retake the class. Retake it with > another professor if possible. > If this is the only course you have grade issues with, then this > should not affect your GPA too much provided that you retake the class > and do better. If its an elective or a course you have other options > for, then you might pursue those options for that type of credit > rather than retaking the class. What I mean is schools have > requirements for certain subjects but within that requirement, you can > take a number of classes to fulfill that requirement. > For instance, my school required you to take a two class science > class. I chose biology as the lesser of the evils as science is very > hard for me. > I could have picked chemistry or geology though to satisfy this > requirement. > > > So, I am suggesting you take another class to satisfy this particular > requirement. > All schools are different, so talking to your advisor or someone > higher up like an assistant dean > is a good approach to see what your options are. > > Also, as Arielle said, do not go through the semester without the > textvook and materials. > You can get volunteer readers or even paid ones if you can afford > that. Pay them by the hour as I did. > Another option if you can study with audio books is Learning Ally. You > can download the books and play them on your computer, braille > notetaker, or mobile smart phone and other devices. You can also get > daisy cds if you have an accessory such as the victor stratus to play > them. > Their site is www.learningally.org for more info. > > For other accomodations, work with your dss office and professors to > get those. > If the professor fails to accommodate you, tell dss and then go up the > chain if needed. > I had a professor refuse to give me his powerpoint slides and got dss > involved. > I also had another professor who refused me extra time on online > quizzes which I felt I needed as it takes longer with jaws and > blackboard. > So my dss counselor spoke to the professor about this. > > > I had a few professors who either were not accomodating or just hard > to work with. > In such instances, I either did not take the class, took it with > another professor, took a different class to satisfy that subject > requirement, or as a last resort I took the class and worked as well > as I could with the professor. > > I hope things work out for you. > I know how it feels to not be accomodated well or in a timely manner. > I've been through that a lot! > Professors seem to forget to send me accessible handouts and slides > and to add to that the professors do not check email enough. So when I > keep sending them emails as reminders, I would not get a response. > Now, I was not a pest. I emailed once or twice a week. But I felt I > needed to be persistent when they failed to respond. If that did not > work, I would call them if they gave us their number. > Also, speaking to them in person stressing how important access to > material is often helped. I did this during office hours. > They have five classes to teach as a full time professor plus other > duties such as committees. If they are adjunct, they have one to three > classes to teach typically. Adjunct professors have another job > usually and leave campus after teaching > So they are very busy and forget or just don't want to give you > material in accessible format. > > I hope things work out. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi Pompey > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > > Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from > their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated > in the course? > > Thank you! > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050 > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > From kwakmiso at aol.com Sat Sep 21 18:11:57 2013 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 14:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair In-Reply-To: <8A69C473-1B06-44B8-A7D0-EB7412E0A1B9@gmail.com> References: <8A69C473-1B06-44B8-A7D0-EB7412E0A1B9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D0850D31E27928-E8C-A634@webmail-vm003.sysops.aol.com> What would be the best way to navigate and utilize college activities fair? This event is called Enormous Activities Fair. Although I am a freshman and new to this environment I am very sure when they say "enormous" they mean this adjective wholeheartedly., THere will be many tables and many people in an unfamiliar area for me. Any suggestions on how to navigate and utilize this event as a blind student? I will probably have a sighted friend with me but I want to make sure both of us have a good time exploring whatever we want even we might have some different interests. Miso Kwak From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Sep 21 19:12:18 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 15:12:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair In-Reply-To: <8D0850D31E27928-E8C-A634@webmail-vm003.sysops.aol.com> References: <8A69C473-1B06-44B8-A7D0-EB7412E0A1B9@gmail.com> <8D0850D31E27928-E8C-A634@webmail-vm003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <003301ceb6fe$7e62ddc0$7b289940$@gmail.com> Can you get an agenda before you go? Maybe carry it on a stream if you have one, or another mobile divice. At least, look at the agenda on your computer. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 2:12 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair What would be the best way to navigate and utilize college activities fair? This event is called Enormous Activities Fair. Although I am a freshman and new to this environment I am very sure when they say "enormous" they mean this adjective wholeheartedly., THere will be many tables and many people in an unfamiliar area for me. Any suggestions on how to navigate and utilize this event as a blind student? I will probably have a sighted friend with me but I want to make sure both of us have a good time exploring whatever we want even we might have some different interests. Miso Kwak _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From dburke at cocenter.org Sat Sep 21 21:58:01 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 21:58:01 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <60FE2A66824C4F7F85C0A8C65ED90B80@MistyBradleyPC> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com><008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com><009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com><21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com><009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com><15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> <60FE2A66824C4F7F85C0A8C65ED90B80@MistyBradleyPC> Message-ID: <538a3569e542478886ebc25b055f64e1@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Yes, people have had grades removed from transcripts for lack of accessibility. In most cases probably it has required a complaint - either using your college's internal due process or complaints with state or federal agencies, such as the U.S. Dept. of Education's Office of Civil Rights. Of course, the NFB has handled many cases similar in nature, but always shooting for a bigger target - namely that the college get itself accessible. In other words, you have to prove that discrimination occurred because they did not respond to your requests. Various rules and practices are different at every school, it's true. At the institution where I worked they would allow a grade to be removed after the course was re-taken and a better grade was earned. It was meant for someone who got a grade like an F and wanted to do better. Eventually, it cost the student $100 to remove that old grade, but again only after getting a better one on re-take. You might be able to find such a path, but it won't' do anything to fix the bigger problem - lack of accessibility. Dropping or withdrawing prior to the train wreck is pretty sound advice. But it is not always entirely without consequences. In some cases, if you wait too long, the W shows as either W-F or W-P, so if you are already failing it can affect your GPA. The other consequence is that VR will often not pay for a retake, and they certainly don't like F's. You start with the Registrar's web site and start finding out what the expunge options might be, and what cost. You look for the college's accessibility statements - DS offices, but also Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action officers. Also look for the ADA/504 Coordinator's information. These are the places you can see what steps are open to you for complaints or grievances. The other thing to keep in mind is going to vR when accommodations don't happen, and getting a reader. If you can't get accessible educational materials, then get a reader and do it yourself. VR can pay for this. They won't like to do it. The regs in VR say that they can count the accommodations under the ADA as "comparable benefits." That means something you need that they don't have to pay for. What they always forget in VR is that the regs also say that if the accommodations fail, they are still responsible. One more way to avoid the train wreck. HTH Dan Dan Burke Academic and Youth Services Colorado Center for the Blind Take charge with confidence and self-reliance www.cocenter.org facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind @CoCenter4Blind www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. Littleton, CO  80120 303-778-1130 ext. 210 Fax: 303-778-1598 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging I have never had a grade expunged, but I almost got an F because an Economics class Pearson lab was not accessible, but I went on my college's website and read the procedures for appealing a grade and getting it turned into a withdrawal, or a W, rather than an F. I had to write a letter to the dean explaining why I was appealing for a grade of W instead of an F and explaining that the course was not accessible and I was not given any accomodation. Perhaps you could set up a meeting with the dean of the college or the dean of the department over the class you are taking? Misty -----Original Message----- From: Anna Givens Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle this. Anna E Givens On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > I will. Thank you! > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" >> wrote: >> >> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I would >> really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out your case >> on >> paper so he can see what happened. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >> >> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new director >> now. I >> asked him, and was told he would look into it. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>> Pompey >>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>> >>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that >>>> if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under >>>> the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a student under >>>> your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>> Pompey >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>> >>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from >>>> their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated >>>> in the course? >>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050 >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >>>> 4 >>>> 0gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >>>> o >>>> .com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo >>> .com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org From dburke at cocenter.org Sat Sep 21 22:04:03 2013 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 22:04:03 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] French books? In-Reply-To: <523C83EE.7020701@gmail.com> References: <5238c854.420fec0a.0527.fffffcce@mx.google.com> <5a617351859345638e563fe11988d40d@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <523AACF3.9030803@gmail.com> <523C83EE.7020701@gmail.com> Message-ID: <23a740a245d743fc947c3acddc2371b8@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Brandon, that is a good start. Tell them that you want to bring up the quality incrementally. This is where they start, and with the next round figure out the next most reasonable improvements in conversation with them. This kind of conversion is one of the most difficult because of the language codes, and therefore most tedious to clean up. Did they take this from a publisher's electronic file or scan it themselves? How much time did they have to work on this? Dan Dan Burke Academic and Youth Services Colorado Center for the Blind Take charge with confidence and self-reliance www.cocenter.org facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind @CoCenter4Blind www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. Littleton, CO  80120 303-778-1130 ext. 210 Fax: 303-778-1598 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:21 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? Hello, My AS office got back the first 4 chapters to me and they are so-so. I can't get a couple of the symbals just in Braille, I have to use the screen reader to get like the Plus sign in French Braille, but the other stuff seems fine. When connected to the computer though, the Braille for the E acute looks really strange, it has a dot 4 then like 6 characters and then another dot 4. When I put the document on a flash Drive and put it into the Apex things look a little better. There are some places where they put the english words as french, so words like and and in or people are not contracted correctly. How picky should I be? Here is the first section of the chapter and pretty much the whole book is like this, every few words it changes between french and English. Chapitre COMPETENCE Saying what you like to do Les passe-tempsSaying what you like to do L'infinitif Stratégies et Compréhension auditive .Pour mieux comprendre:Listening for spécifié information .Compréhension auditive:On sort ensemble? Saying how you spend your free time Le week-end Telling what you do, how often, and how well Les verbes en-eret les adverbes Telling what you do Quelques verbes à changements orthographiques Asking about someone's day La journée Asking for information Les mots interrogatifs Asking questions Les questions par inversion 4 Going to the café Au café Paying the bill Les chiffres de trente à cent et l'argent RepriseLes Stagiaires Lecture et Composition .Pour mieux lire:Making intelligentguesses .Lecture:Aux Trois Obus .Pour mieux écrire:Using logical order and standard phrases .Composition:Au café Comparaisons culturellesLe café et le fastfood Résumé I'm going to ask that they fix the spelling errors and change the Ls and Is from 1s to the letters, but how much else should I tell them they need to fix before I consider it quality? Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs On 9/19/2013 10:51 AM, Dan Burke wrote: > Yes, on the Review ribbon there are two language items, the first is for translation, the second has the option to set the proofing language. It inserts codes into the document that are referred to by JAWS or Duxbury if you are translating into Braille. > > Best, > Dan > > > Dan Burke > Academic and Youth Services > Colorado Center for the Blind > Take charge with confidence and self-reliance > > www.cocenter.org > facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind > @CoCenter4Blind > www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg > > 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. > Littleton, CO 80120 > 303-778-1130 ext. 210 > Fax: 303-778-1598 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:51 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? > > Hello, > I did some research and the only mark for a language one can do in Word > is to tell Word what dictionary to use to spell check the text. Is that > what you are talking about? > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/switch-between-different-languages-by-setting-the-proofing-language-HA010354272.aspx > Thank you, > > Brandon Keith Biggs > > On 9/17/2013 2:56 PM, Dan Burke wrote: >> Brandon, >> >> I think a combination of the ideas presented may be your best solution. >> >> I agree that Braille is the best way to study a new language. >> >> Taking the clean Word doc and coding all the French language areas as French is the process that they would have to follow, however. It is time-consuming. But that is the only way you will get the correct language codings and therefore the correct Braille output. Scanning the book won't produce that without the intensive coding. And by the way, they need to have auto-correct turned off on the spell-checker. (grin) >> >> Once they have that done, they can import it into Duxbury and translate it. If you want it in hard-copy you can have it. And you can also load the .brf files into your Apex. >> >> Do you know the French braille code? You need to. >> >> By the way, disability rights laws in higher ed don't care about the DS office's annual budget. The institution's annual budget is the only factor that matters in determining if a request for modifications is reasonable or if it is an "undue burden." >> >> Best, >> Dan >> >> >> Dan Burke >> Academic and Youth Services >> Colorado Center for the Blind >> Take charge with confidence and self-reliance >> >> www.cocenter.org >> facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind >> @CoCenter4Blind >> www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg >> >> 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. >> Littleton, CO 80120 >> 303-778-1130 ext. 210 >> Fax: 303-778-1598 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist >> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:23 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? >> >> Jewel, if I were you, I would let them give you the clean doc and >> read it on your apex. That's what I do with nearly all of my >> textbooks. French is no different. The braillenote can read >> French. If you need to know how to get it to do that, feel free >> to email me offlist. >> >> HTH, >> Sophie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jewel > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:58:13 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French books? >> >> I got my French book in Word documents. The AT specialist scanned >> the text, then went through and set the French portions to read >> with the JAWS French voice. Anyone can do this, but I don't >> remember how it is done. It is also very time consuming. But it >> allowed me to read and spell the text in French, and helped me >> with pronunciation. I don't know how it would be done in Braille, >> or if that would even be helpful, unless you happen to know >> French Braille, which is different from American Braille. I would >> suggest doing it the way I did, with the French portions of the >> text read with the French voice. Once you have a general grasp of >> the language, then you can work on learning French Braille, when >> all the accents will make sense. This is just my opinion, though, >> so you don't have to listen to me. *grins* >> -Jewel >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 17, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs >> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> I am taking a french class this Fall quarter and my school is >> trying to figure out how they can get me my French book. I have >> told them that I wanted it in Braille, but they don't know what >> the best way to get it to me is. >> They refused to get a French Braille transcriber because it >> would cost $17000 and that is the whole budget of the department. >> I asked them if they could do sections, but they were really put >> off by that quote, so are asking for other ways to get the >> Braille to me. >> I am wondering if anyone knows if: >> 1. Putting the clean doc through DBT on the french setting and >> giving it to me >> 2. giving me the clean doc and I read it on my APEX >> >> is the better option for me? >> I've never delbt with a huge French text all on its own before, >> so don't know how my technology will interact with it. >> If anyone has used any of the above options please let me know. >> Thank you, >> >> -- >> Brandon Keith Biggs >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brandonkeithbiggs%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Sep 22 00:52:30 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2013 20:52:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <538a3569e542478886ebc25b055f64e1@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com><008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com><009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com><21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com><009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com><15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com><60FE2A66824C4F7F85C0A8C65ED90B80@MistyBradleyPC> <538a3569e542478886ebc25b055f64e1@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <3D8057113A344818A72B2F8FECF73B72@OwnerPC> Dan, Not everyone has college paid for with vr and we do not know if this student did or not. Heck, if vr will not pay for a retake, I'd never finish school then. I'm glad I did not depend on the government with all its stupid restrictions to pay for college. We need the same chance as all students and yes this includes retaking classes and withdrawing from classes or auditing classes or doing whatever we need to do to go through college. I assure you I struggled in certain classes. Did I withdraw in some instances? Did I retake classes? Yes and Yes! I did so like other students and worked very hard through college; as a vision impaired student who learns better with braille and the ocasional large print diagram or numbers, I found college very challenging at times. I was not given braille in college of course except for my own notes. I had to rely on recorded textbooks and reading other notes through jaws such as study guides or powerpoint slides. I had to rely on auditory learning which was not as effective for me. Sometimes I just could not handle a class and did withdraw. It showed up as a W and I do not think it affected my GPA. I'm glad you wrote in as a former DSS staff person to let us know you can get grades removed; I was not sure as I never had to look into it. Your statements confirmed that its a hard process though with complaints needed to justify a removal of the grade. Well, its up to Bobby as to what she wishes to do now. I hope she can retake the class and move on with college. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Dan Burke Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 5:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging Yes, people have had grades removed from transcripts for lack of accessibility. In most cases probably it has required a complaint - either using your college's internal due process or complaints with state or federal agencies, such as the U.S. Dept. of Education's Office of Civil Rights. Of course, the NFB has handled many cases similar in nature, but always shooting for a bigger target - namely that the college get itself accessible. In other words, you have to prove that discrimination occurred because they did not respond to your requests. Various rules and practices are different at every school, it's true. At the institution where I worked they would allow a grade to be removed after the course was re-taken and a better grade was earned. It was meant for someone who got a grade like an F and wanted to do better. Eventually, it cost the student $100 to remove that old grade, but again only after getting a better one on re-take. You might be able to find such a path, but it won't' do anything to fix the bigger problem - lack of accessibility. Dropping or withdrawing prior to the train wreck is pretty sound advice. But it is not always entirely without consequences. In some cases, if you wait too long, the W shows as either W-F or W-P, so if you are already failing it can affect your GPA. The other consequence is that VR will often not pay for a retake, and they certainly don't like F's. You start with the Registrar's web site and start finding out what the expunge options might be, and what cost. You look for the college's accessibility statements - DS offices, but also Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action officers. Also look for the ADA/504 Coordinator's information. These are the places you can see what steps are open to you for complaints or grievances. The other thing to keep in mind is going to vR when accommodations don't happen, and getting a reader. If you can't get accessible educational materials, then get a reader and do it yourself. VR can pay for this. They won't like to do it. The regs in VR say that they can count the accommodations under the ADA as "comparable benefits." That means something you need that they don't have to pay for. What they always forget in VR is that the regs also say that if the accommodations fail, they are still responsible. One more way to avoid the train wreck. HTH Dan Dan Burke Academic and Youth Services Colorado Center for the Blind Take charge with confidence and self-reliance www.cocenter.org facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind @CoCenter4Blind www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. Littleton, CO 80120 303-778-1130 ext. 210 Fax: 303-778-1598 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging I have never had a grade expunged, but I almost got an F because an Economics class Pearson lab was not accessible, but I went on my college's website and read the procedures for appealing a grade and getting it turned into a withdrawal, or a W, rather than an F. I had to write a letter to the dean explaining why I was appealing for a grade of W instead of an F and explaining that the course was not accessible and I was not given any accomodation. Perhaps you could set up a meeting with the dean of the college or the dean of the department over the class you are taking? Misty -----Original Message----- From: Anna Givens Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle this. Anna E Givens On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > I will. Thank you! > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" >> wrote: >> >> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I would >> really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out your case >> on >> paper so he can see what happened. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >> >> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new director >> now. I >> asked him, and was told he would look into it. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>> Pompey >>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>> >>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that >>>> if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under >>>> the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a student under >>>> your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>> Pompey >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>> >>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from >>>> their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated >>>> in the course? >>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050 >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >>>> 4 >>>> 0gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >>>> o >>>> .com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo >>> .com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From lissa1531 at gmail.com Sun Sep 22 16:57:37 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 10:57:37 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com><008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com><009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com><21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com><009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com><15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com><9EEBA900-D329-427B-8FF8-1D5B3CED9B37@yahoo.com><8AC66CBB-3D21-4BF0-85C1-C0282229F28D@gmail.com><9e911d4f2fab41f38581fe535d2ac414@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <471FE6340BEC4638B64F3B4A518F47C0@HP30910210001> Arielle and all. Communication with the professor is crucial, and sometimes that communication can lead to alternatives and possibly an incomplete. Many schools also have the option for grade forgiveness. but you have to pass the course the next time its taken. Arielle makes some really good points about using other resources besides the dsS. I agree completely. You should also know that rehab will only pay for one re-take of a course. If they are paying for your tuition. That is something to consider. Have a blesed day. Best, Melissa R Green and Pj "We love because he first loved us." Goodreads: http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/2473065-melissa-green facebook Melissa R Green Twitter: melissa5674 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging Hi Bobbi, I guess I'm not understanding how you went through the entire course without getting proper accommodations. Most schools have a process through which you could withdraw from a class part of the way through, for any reason, without your GPA being impacted. Is there a reason why you did not pursue the mid-semester withdrawal option? Were you promised accommodations that never came? I think it will be harder for you to argue for grade expungement if withdrawal was an option. Many students have problems that impact their course grades besides disability-related issues. Re-taking a course is often an option provided to any student who earns a failing or near-failing grade in a course, and this option benefits many students, for example those who become ill or experience a family illness mid-semester but are able to succeed the second time they take the course. You might explore taking the course again with a different instructor if you feel the first instructor didn't accommodate you properly. Also, just FYI, there are several ways to access textbooks besides waiting for the DSS office to provide them, including the libraries of Learning Ally and BookShare, CourseSmart textbook rentals, scanning your own books and hiring readers. Many DSS offices are simply short-staffed and cannot provide the full set of accommodations to every student in a timely fashion. It is ultimately up to you to obtain your accommodations through whatever method is most reliable, whether that be on or off campus, and I hate to say it, but if you rely exclusively on the DSS office for all your accommodation needs, you are likely to have problems in more courses than just that one. We on the list are all here to help you explore alternative means of getting your materials so you can succeed in school. Best, Arielle On 9/20/13, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > I was not provide the book and other classroom materials (mainly PDFs in a > format that I could access. And note takers weren't placed until months > into > the semester. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Sep 20, 2013, at 1:10 PM, "Wasif, Zunaira" >> wrote: >> >> How were you not accommodated? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens >> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 1:07 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >> >> Lol!! DSS had no ability to change grades or do anything with them. i >> would go talk to a different advisor. Seems like yours does not >> understand the problem. >> When transcripts are changed, it has to be done by your college at the >> university or department. Your advisor should know about this. >> Even if DSS had power to change grades, why would they? It would just be >> like admitting they did not do their job well. >> >> Anna E Givens >> >>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>> >>> Hello, my advisor suggested that I go to DSS. >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Anna Givens wrote: >>>> >>>> I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar >>>> issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would >>>> definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle >>>> this. >>>> >>>> Anna E Givens >>>> >>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I will. Thank you! >>>>> >>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I >>>>>> would really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out >>>>>> your case on paper so he can see what happened. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>>> Pompey >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>> >>>>>> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new >>>>>> director now. I asked him, and was told he would look into it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>>>>> Pompey >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know >>>>>>>> that if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student >>>>>>>> under the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a >>>>>>>> student under your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> Bobbi Pompey >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed >>>>>>>> from their college transcript because they were not properly >>>>>>>> accommodated in the course? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>>>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>>>>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>>>>> http://pompey2050 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bobbi A. L. 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change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >>>> o.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail. >>> com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Sun Sep 22 17:02:15 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 11:02:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com><008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com><009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com><21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com><009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com><15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com><60FE2A66824C4F7F85C0A8C65ED90B80@MistyBradleyPC> <538a3569e542478886ebc25b055f64e1@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <2F8C3C48BA1E46FC9F9C57F72BD5C0D6@HP30910210001> Its been my experience, that VR will only pay for one retake and thats it. this is an interesting discussion. Isn't there a time frame in place for grades to be challenged. I still say communication with the professor is key. It can't be the dss office doing the communication either. Have a blesed day. Best, Melissa R Green and Pj "We love because he first loved us." Goodreads: http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/2473065-melissa-green facebook Melissa R Green Twitter: melissa5674 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Burke" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging Yes, people have had grades removed from transcripts for lack of accessibility. In most cases probably it has required a complaint - either using your college's internal due process or complaints with state or federal agencies, such as the U.S. Dept. of Education's Office of Civil Rights. Of course, the NFB has handled many cases similar in nature, but always shooting for a bigger target - namely that the college get itself accessible. In other words, you have to prove that discrimination occurred because they did not respond to your requests. Various rules and practices are different at every school, it's true. At the institution where I worked they would allow a grade to be removed after the course was re-taken and a better grade was earned. It was meant for someone who got a grade like an F and wanted to do better. Eventually, it cost the student $100 to remove that old grade, but again only after getting a better one on re-take. You might be able to find such a path, but it won't' do anything to fix the bigger problem - lack of accessibility. Dropping or withdrawing prior to the train wreck is pretty sound advice. But it is not always entirely without consequences. In some cases, if you wait too long, the W shows as either W-F or W-P, so if you are already failing it can affect your GPA. The other consequence is that VR will often not pay for a retake, and they certainly don't like F's. You start with the Registrar's web site and start finding out what the expunge options might be, and what cost. You look for the college's accessibility statements - DS offices, but also Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action officers. Also look for the ADA/504 Coordinator's information. These are the places you can see what steps are open to you for complaints or grievances. The other thing to keep in mind is going to vR when accommodations don't happen, and getting a reader. If you can't get accessible educational materials, then get a reader and do it yourself. VR can pay for this. They won't like to do it. The regs in VR say that they can count the accommodations under the ADA as "comparable benefits." That means something you need that they don't have to pay for. What they always forget in VR is that the regs also say that if the accommodations fail, they are still responsible. One more way to avoid the train wreck. HTH Dan Dan Burke Academic and Youth Services Colorado Center for the Blind Take charge with confidence and self-reliance www.cocenter.org facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind @CoCenter4Blind www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. Littleton, CO 80120 303-778-1130 ext. 210 Fax: 303-778-1598 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging I have never had a grade expunged, but I almost got an F because an Economics class Pearson lab was not accessible, but I went on my college's website and read the procedures for appealing a grade and getting it turned into a withdrawal, or a W, rather than an F. I had to write a letter to the dean explaining why I was appealing for a grade of W instead of an F and explaining that the course was not accessible and I was not given any accomodation. Perhaps you could set up a meeting with the dean of the college or the dean of the department over the class you are taking? Misty -----Original Message----- From: Anna Givens Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar issues. I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would definitely talk to your advisor. They should be the one to handle this. Anna E Givens On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > I will. Thank you! > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" >> wrote: >> >> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I would >> really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out your case >> on >> paper so he can see what happened. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >> >> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new director >> now. I >> asked him, and was told he would look into it. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>> Pompey >>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>> >>> I was registered and requested accommodations. >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that >>>> if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under >>>> the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a student under >>>> your dss office, then you may have a case. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi >>>> Pompey >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging >>>> >>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from >>>> their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated >>>> in the course? >>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050 >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >>>> 4 >>>> 0gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho >>>> o >>>> .com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo >>> .com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From sgermano at asu.edu Sun Sep 22 17:39:46 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 10:39:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging In-Reply-To: <2F8C3C48BA1E46FC9F9C57F72BD5C0D6@HP30910210001> References: <3BECA2F6-A54F-4944-B450-A98CFDB0AECD@yahoo.com> <008801ceb5ac$f56c4940$e044dbc0$@gmail.com> <009701ceb5ae$f328d700$d97a8500$@gmail.com> <21972E66-87FA-4DC8-9524-FE296E18F669@yahoo.com> <009c01ceb5b5$06aaadc0$14000940$@gmail.com> <15FBA921-392D-4B45-91EC-50B145C774A1@yahoo.com> <60FE2A66824C4F7F85C0A8C65ED90B80@MistyBradleyPC> <538a3569e542478886ebc25b055f64e1@SN2PR07MB094.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <2F8C3C48BA1E46FC9F9C57F72BD5C0D6@HP30910210001> Message-ID: If the retake is due to lack of accessibility and the student made effort to resolve the accessibility issue than VR should have to pay because either VR did not provide what was need to bee successful in the class of Disabled Students did not provide what was necessary. On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:02 AM, melissa Green wrote: > Its been my experience, that VR will only pay for one retake and thats it. > this is an interesting discussion. > Isn't there a time frame in place for grades to be challenged. > I still say communication with the professor is key. > It can't be the dss office doing the communication either. > > Have a blesed day. > Best, > Melissa R Green and Pj > "We love because he first loved us." > Goodreads: http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/2473065-melissa-green > facebook Melissa R Green > Twitter: melissa5674 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Burke" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > > > Yes, people have had grades removed from transcripts for lack of > accessibility. In most cases probably it has required a complaint - either > using your college's internal due process or complaints with state or > federal agencies, such as the U.S. Dept. of Education's Office of Civil > Rights. Of course, the NFB has handled many cases similar in nature, but > always shooting for a bigger target - namely that the college get itself > accessible. > > In other words, you have to prove that discrimination occurred because they > did not respond to your requests. > > Various rules and practices are different at every school, it's true. At > the institution where I worked they would allow a grade to be removed > after > the course was re-taken and a better grade was earned. It was meant for > someone who got a grade like an F and wanted to do better. Eventually, it > cost the student $100 to remove that old grade, but again only after > getting > a better one on re-take. You might be able to find such a path, but it > won't' do anything to fix the bigger problem - lack of accessibility. > > Dropping or withdrawing prior to the train wreck is pretty sound advice. > But it is not always entirely without consequences. In some cases, if you > wait too long, the W shows as either W-F or W-P, so if you are already > failing it can affect your GPA. > > The other consequence is that VR will often not pay for a retake, and they > certainly don't like F's. > > You start with the Registrar's web site and start finding out what the > expunge options might be, and what cost. You look for the college's > accessibility statements - DS offices, but also Equal > Opportunity/Affirmative Action officers. Also look for the ADA/504 > Coordinator's information. These are the places you can see what steps > are > open to you for complaints or grievances. > > The other thing to keep in mind is going to vR when accommodations don't > happen, and getting a reader. If you can't get accessible educational > materials, then get a reader and do it yourself. VR can pay for this. > They > won't like to do it. The regs in VR say that they can count the > accommodations under the ADA as "comparable benefits." That means > something > you need that they don't have to pay for. What they always forget in VR is > that the regs also say that if the accommodations fail, they are still > responsible. > > One more way to avoid the train wreck. > > HTH > Dan > > Dan Burke > Academic and Youth Services > Colorado Center for the Blind > Take charge with confidence and self-reliance > > www.cocenter.org > facebook.com/coloradocenterfortheblind > @CoCenter4Blind > www.youtube.com/user/cocenterorg > > 2233 W. Shepperd Ave. > Littleton, CO 80120 > 303-778-1130 ext. 210 > Fax: 303-778-1598 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Misty Dawn > Bradley > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > > I have never had a grade expunged, but I almost got an F because an > Economics class Pearson lab was not accessible, but I went on my college's > website and read the procedures for appealing a grade and getting it turned > into a withdrawal, or a W, rather than an F. I had to write a letter to the > dean explaining why I was appealing for a grade of W instead of an F and > explaining that the course was not accessible and I was not given any > accomodation. Perhaps you could set up a meeting with the dean of the > college or the dean of the department over the class you are taking? > Misty > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anna Givens > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 12:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > > I have not been in this this exact situation, but have had similar issues. > I don't know that dss can or will be of much help. I would definitely talk > to your advisor. They should be the one to handle this. > > Anna E Givens > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > > > I will. Thank you! > > > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > > (336) 988-6375 > > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > > > >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:53 PM, "justin williams" > >> wrote: > >> > >> Good. If that does not happen, you may have an ADA case; though I > would > >> really try to prevail upon the new director. Maybe write out your case > >> on > >> paper so he can see what happened. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi > Pompey > >> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:51 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > >> > >> I've done that. Originally I was told no. But there is a new director > >> now. I > >> asked him, and was told he would look into it. > >> > >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey > >> (336) 988-6375 > >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com > >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> > >>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:10 PM, "justin williams" > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Okay; Go through your dss office and see what they can possibly do. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi > >>> Pompey > >>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:08 PM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > >>> > >>> I was registered and requested accommodations. > >>> > >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey > >>> (336) 988-6375 > >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com > >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >>> > >>>>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:56 PM, "justin williams" > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Did you go through your dss office for acomodations? I do know that > >>>> if you did not admit to a disability, and were not a student under > >>>> the dss office, then you can't. However, if you were a student under > >>>> your dss office, then you may have a case. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi > >>>> Pompey > >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:43 PM > >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Grade Expunging > >>>> > >>>> Hello, I wanted to know if anyone has ever had a grade removed from > >>>> their college transcript because they were not properly accommodated > >>>> in the course? > >>>> > >>>> Thank you! > >>>> > >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey > >>>> (336) 988-6375 > >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com > >>>> http://pompey2050 > >>>> > >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey > >>>> (336) 988-6375 > >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com > >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% > >>>> 4 > >>>> 0gmail > >>>> .com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yaho > >>>> o > >>>> .com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > >>> 0gmail > >>> .com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo > >>> .com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > >> .com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dburke%40cocenter.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Sep 22 19:46:07 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:46:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair In-Reply-To: <003301ceb6fe$7e62ddc0$7b289940$@gmail.com> References: <8A69C473-1B06-44B8-A7D0-EB7412E0A1B9@gmail.com> <8D0850D31E27928-E8C-A634@webmail-vm003.sysops.aol.com> <003301ceb6fe$7e62ddc0$7b289940$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I've gone to a few events like this, and there is no shame in just walking from table to table and asking what each is if that is what you need to do. Getting an agenda would be ideal, but if necessary you can just make the rounds and if you find a table you don't have an interest in, just continue on. On 9/21/13, justin williams wrote: > Can you get an agenda before you go? Maybe carry it on a stream if you have > one, or another mobile divice. At least, look at the agenda on your > computer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 2:12 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair > > What would be the best way to navigate and utilize college activities fair? > This event is called Enormous Activities Fair. Although I am a freshman and > new to this environment I am very sure when they say "enormous" > they mean this adjective wholeheartedly., THere will be many tables and > many > people in an unfamiliar area for me. Any suggestions on how to navigate and > utilize this event as a blind student? > I will probably have a sighted friend with me but I want to make sure both > of us have a good time exploring whatever we want even we might have some > different interests. > Miso Kwak > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From sgermano at asu.edu Sun Sep 22 20:03:55 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:03:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class Message-ID: I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have to observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the experiment. An example that one person is doing is what percentage of time do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets. I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me somewhere and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times. Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find the best solution to be? Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv to see the board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough. And there have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode when I select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the buttons. I have to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of change channel mode by the time I fix it time is up. Suzanne From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Sep 22 20:15:40 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 14:15:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Suzanne, I would suggest asking your professor if you can pair up with another student to do the biology lab project. The two of you can design the experiment together, observe the animal and write it up. It won't be any extra work for your partner and in fact will be less work for them. You can help a lot with designing the project and writing up the results even if you cannot see the animal. Another option is to pick a project that involves listening to the animal's sounds, such as counting cricket chirps per minute based on temperature. That seems like something you could do on your own. Finally, if neither of the above options work, perhaps see if DSS can provide you a lab assistant or a reader to help you. Sorry I can't answer the clicker question but hoping someone else can. Best, Arielle On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: > I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have to > observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the > experiment. An example that one person is doing is what percentage of time > do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets. > > I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me somewhere > and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times. > > Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find the best > solution to be? > > Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv to see the > board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough. And there > have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode when I > select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the buttons. I have > to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of change > channel mode by the time I fix it time is up. > > Suzanne > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Sep 22 21:26:19 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:26:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Suzanne, I am not sure if each college or university uses the clicker questions in the same manner, but I can describe how I have been able to use them while attending a community college. The professor who uses the clicker questions only uses them for review questions and poll questions. Therefore, if a student is not able to participate, or does not wish to participate, it does not effect their grade. In the past, the professor handed out the clickers during class. They were not all that complicated as they had a layout similar to a telephone keypad. However, this semester students can use either a cell phone to text the answer, or log into the survey website with their laptop computers. In either case, the professor reads both the question and the answers aloud so I can follow along with what the rest of the class is doing. When the professor used the clickers, all I had to do was press the button that corresponded with the answer while pointing it in the direction of my professor. I do not know if every school uses the clickers in this same manner, but this is how I was able to deal with the situation. Alternative methods may be to ask a student sitting next to you to read the question and the answers, or perhaps a reader from the disabilities office if they provide such a service. Even though I have had usable vision for most of my life, I have found non-visual techniques to be the most effective and efficient for me. Perhaps you may wish to give some of them a try. Warm regards, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Suzanne Germano" Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:03 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class > I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have to > observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the > experiment. An example that one person is doing is what percentage of time > do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets. > > I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me > somewhere > and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times. > > Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find the best > solution to be? > > Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv to see the > board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough. And > there > have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode when I > select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the buttons. I have > to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of change > channel mode by the time I fix it time is up. > > Suzanne > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From sgermano at asu.edu Sun Sep 22 22:21:44 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:21:44 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our clicker questions are every lecture and count toward our grade. She has read the questions out loud but quickly and they are biology genetics stuff so I usually need to reread and make sure I have all the data right before doing my punnet squares or come up with the answer. Most of the time the questions were not super long so I had time to reread and calculate. There have been several times I enter my answer and my screen says change channel? I need to get out magnifier which takes a few seconds to turn on then go through the menu on the clicker o make sure the channel is still right, get back to the place ot answer then answer. The channel is often wrong because it took my answer entry as my input for new channel. I have 2 days with no answers registered when got all four each day correct. On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > Hello Suzanne, > > I am not sure if each college or university uses the clicker questions in > the same manner, but I can describe how I have been able to use them while > attending a community college. > > The professor who uses the clicker questions only uses them for review > questions and poll questions. Therefore, if a student is not able to > participate, or does not wish to participate, it does not effect their > grade. > > In the past, the professor handed out the clickers during class. They were > not all that complicated as they had a layout similar to a telephone > keypad. However, this semester students can use either a cell phone to text > the answer, or log into the survey website with their laptop computers. > > In either case, the professor reads both the question and the answers > aloud so I can follow along with what the rest of the class is doing. When > the professor used the clickers, all I had to do was press the button that > corresponded with the answer while pointing it in the direction of my > professor. > > I do not know if every school uses the clickers in this same manner, but > this is how I was able to deal with the situation. Alternative methods may > be to ask a student sitting next to you to read the question and the > answers, or perhaps a reader from the disabilities office if they provide > such a service. > > Even though I have had usable vision for most of my life, I have found > non-visual techniques to be the most effective and efficient for me. > Perhaps you may wish to give some of them a try. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > ------------------------------**-------------------- > From: "Suzanne Germano" > Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:03 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class > > I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have to >> observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the >> experiment. An example that one person is doing is what percentage of time >> do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets. >> >> I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me >> somewhere >> and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times. >> >> Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find the best >> solution to be? >> >> Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv to see the >> board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough. And >> there >> have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode when I >> select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the buttons. I have >> to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of change >> channel mode by the time I fix it time is up. >> >> Suzanne >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Sep 22 22:24:17 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:24:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wonder if there is a way to lock the channel on the clicker so you can't accidentally get kicked out of the channel you need to be in? Arielle On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: > Our clicker questions are every lecture and count toward our grade. She has > read the questions out loud but quickly and they are biology genetics stuff > so I usually need to reread and make sure I have all the data right before > doing my punnet squares or come up with the answer. > > Most of the time the questions were not super long so I had time to reread > and calculate. > > There have been several times I enter my answer and my screen says change > channel? I need to get out magnifier which takes a few seconds to turn on > then go through the menu on the clicker o make sure the channel is still > right, get back to the place ot answer then answer. The channel is often > wrong because it took my answer entry as my input for new channel. > > I have 2 days with no answers registered when got all four each day > correct. > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke > wrote: > >> Hello Suzanne, >> >> I am not sure if each college or university uses the clicker questions in >> the same manner, but I can describe how I have been able to use them >> while >> attending a community college. >> >> The professor who uses the clicker questions only uses them for review >> questions and poll questions. Therefore, if a student is not able to >> participate, or does not wish to participate, it does not effect their >> grade. >> >> In the past, the professor handed out the clickers during class. They >> were >> not all that complicated as they had a layout similar to a telephone >> keypad. However, this semester students can use either a cell phone to >> text >> the answer, or log into the survey website with their laptop computers. >> >> In either case, the professor reads both the question and the answers >> aloud so I can follow along with what the rest of the class is doing. >> When >> the professor used the clickers, all I had to do was press the button >> that >> corresponded with the answer while pointing it in the direction of my >> professor. >> >> I do not know if every school uses the clickers in this same manner, but >> this is how I was able to deal with the situation. Alternative methods >> may >> be to ask a student sitting next to you to read the question and the >> answers, or perhaps a reader from the disabilities office if they provide >> such a service. >> >> Even though I have had usable vision for most of my life, I have found >> non-visual techniques to be the most effective and efficient for me. >> Perhaps you may wish to give some of them a try. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> ------------------------------**-------------------- >> From: "Suzanne Germano" >> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:03 PM >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class >> >> I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have to >>> observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the >>> experiment. An example that one person is doing is what percentage of >>> time >>> do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets. >>> >>> I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me >>> somewhere >>> and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times. >>> >>> Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find the >>> best >>> solution to be? >>> >>> Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv to see >>> the >>> board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough. And >>> there >>> have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode when I >>> select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the buttons. I >>> have >>> to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of change >>> channel mode by the time I fix it time is up. >>> >>> Suzanne >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Sep 22 22:54:00 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:54:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Back to School Call. Message-ID: <7CC19AF2-0FD1-4787-8A56-2FDD376B3F9F@gmail.com> Just a reminder about the back the school call happening in a few minutes . call: (605) 405-6700. code: 786-9673 talk to you theN, Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Sun Sep 22 22:56:42 2013 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (Ryan) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:56:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] [Arizona-students] NABS Presents: Back to SchoolMembership Call In-Reply-To: <1607A5DC-8ADE-4376-8FBC-7F15D9CBB983@gmail.com> References: <1607A5DC-8ADE-4376-8FBC-7F15D9CBB983@gmail.com> Message-ID: <309B403F-0EE6-4799-9E02-42283FAB0ADB@gmail.com> The number isn't working for me Anyone else having issues? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 20:30, Darian Smith wrote: > Hello Fellow Scholars, > I know you've been waiting in eager anticipation of the Next National Association of Blind Students Membership Call. Not wanting to keep you waiting for too terribly long, it's probably high time we deliver. > > The National Association of Blind Students Presents: getting Back to School, tips and techniques. > Join some of your fellow students as we talk about ways to sussed in the classroom and on campus. > > Date: Sunday 9/22/2013 > > Time: 7p.m. EST, 4p.m. PST > Call: (605) 405-6700 code: 786-9673 > should you have any questions, Please contact Darian Smith, membership committee chair at > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > > > > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 > > _______________________________________________ > Arizona-students mailing list > Arizona-students at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/arizona-students_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Arizona-students: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/arizona-students_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.com From codyjbair at yahoo.com Sun Sep 22 22:59:42 2013 From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (Cody Bair) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:59:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] [Arizona-students] NABS Presents: Back to SchoolMembership Call In-Reply-To: <309B403F-0EE6-4799-9E02-42283FAB0ADB@gmail.com> References: <1607A5DC-8ADE-4376-8FBC-7F15D9CBB983@gmail.com> <309B403F-0EE6-4799-9E02-42283FAB0ADB@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 22, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Ryan wrote:I was able to get in. > > The number isn't working for me > Anyone else having issues? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 17, 2013, at 20:30, Darian Smith wrote: >> >> Hello Fellow Scholars, >> I know you've been waiting in eager anticipation of the Next National Association of Blind Students Membership Call. Not wanting to keep you waiting for too terribly long, it's probably high time we deliver. >> >> The National Association of Blind Students Presents: getting Back to School, tips and techniques. >> Join some of your fellow students as we talk about ways to sussed in the classroom and on campus. >> >> Date: Sunday 9/22/2013 >> >> Time: 7p.m. EST, 4p.m. PST >> Call: (605) 405-6700 code: 786-9673 >> should you have any questions, Please contact Darian Smith, membership committee chair at >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Darian Smith >> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> www.nabslink.org >> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >>> >>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Arizona-students mailing list >> Arizona-students at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/arizona-students_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Arizona-students: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/arizona-students_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/codyjbair%40yahoo.com From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 22 23:00:09 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:00:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Back to School Call. In-Reply-To: <7CC19AF2-0FD1-4787-8A56-2FDD376B3F9F@gmail.com> References: <7CC19AF2-0FD1-4787-8A56-2FDD376B3F9F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <68F2A7FF-E3A3-4ABE-93D4-841B8328D310@yahoo.com> Hello, this number isn't working when I call. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:54 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > > Just a reminder about the back the school call happening in a few minutes . > call: (605) 405-6700. code: 786-9673 > talk to you theN, > > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From haleysumner at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 22 22:59:50 2013 From: haleysumner at sbcglobal.net (Haley Sumner) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:59:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Arizona-students] NABS Presents: Back to SchoolMembership Call In-Reply-To: <309B403F-0EE6-4799-9E02-42283FAB0ADB@gmail.com> References: <1607A5DC-8ADE-4376-8FBC-7F15D9CBB983@gmail.com> <309B403F-0EE6-4799-9E02-42283FAB0ADB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0F9C8AED-CBAA-4834-A3D4-DCD241291E78@sbcglobal.net> Use 605-475-6700 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Ryan wrote: > > The number isn't working for me > Anyone else having issues? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 17, 2013, at 20:30, Darian Smith wrote: >> >> Hello Fellow Scholars, >> I know you've been waiting in eager anticipation of the Next National Association of Blind Students Membership Call. Not wanting to keep you waiting for too terribly long, it's probably high time we deliver. >> >> The National Association of Blind Students Presents: getting Back to School, tips and techniques. >> Join some of your fellow students as we talk about ways to sussed in the classroom and on campus. >> >> Date: Sunday 9/22/2013 >> >> Time: 7p.m. EST, 4p.m. PST >> Call: (605) 405-6700 code: 786-9673 >> should you have any questions, Please contact Darian Smith, membership committee chair at >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Darian Smith >> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> www.nabslink.org >> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >>> >>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Arizona-students mailing list >> Arizona-students at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/arizona-students_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Arizona-students: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/arizona-students_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Sep 22 23:04:16 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:04:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Arizona-students] NABS Presents: Back toSchoolMembership Call In-Reply-To: <309B403F-0EE6-4799-9E02-42283FAB0ADB@gmail.com> References: <1607A5DC-8ADE-4376-8FBC-7F15D9CBB983@gmail.com> <309B403F-0EE6-4799-9E02-42283FAB0ADB@gmail.com> Message-ID: The number is not working for me either. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ryan" Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:56 PM To: "Arizona Association of Blind Students List" Cc: "Georgia Association of blind students" ; "Minnesota Association of blind students" ; "Kentucky Association of blind students" ; "Illinois Association of blind students" ; "Michigan Association of blind students" ; "North Carolina Association of blind students" ; "Nebraska Association of blind students" ; "New Hampshire Association of blind students" ; "List for NABS State Presidents" ; "Missouri Association of Blind Students" ; ; "cabs-talk blind students" ; "Colorado Association of Blind Students" ; "Massachusetts Association of blind students" ; "Texas Association of blind students" ; "Louisiana Association of blind students" ; "Maryland Association of blind students" ; "Ohio Association of blind students" ; "New Mexico Association of Blind Students" ; "Alabama Association of blind students" ; "New Jersey Association of blind students" ; "Wisconsin Association of blind students" ; "New York Association of blind students" ; "Utah Association of blind students" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" ; "Virginia Association of blind students" ; "West Virginia Association of blind students" ; "Tennessee Association of blind students" ; "Arizona Association of blind students" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Arizona-students] NABS Presents: Back toSchoolMembership Call > The number isn't working for me > Anyone else having issues? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 17, 2013, at 20:30, Darian Smith wrote: > >> Hello Fellow Scholars, >> I know you've been waiting in eager anticipation of the Next National >> Association of Blind Students Membership Call. Not wanting to keep you >> waiting for too terribly long, it's probably high time we deliver. >> >> The National Association of Blind Students Presents: getting Back to >> School, tips and techniques. >> Join some of your fellow students as we talk about ways to sussed in >> the classroom and on campus. >> >> Date: Sunday 9/22/2013 >> >> Time: 7p.m. EST, 4p.m. PST >> Call: (605) 405-6700 code: 786-9673 >> should you have any questions, Please contact Darian Smith, membership >> committee chair at >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Darian Smith >> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> www.nabslink.org >> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >>> >>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call >>> 1-855-659-9314 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Arizona-students mailing list >> Arizona-students at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/arizona-students_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> Arizona-students: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/arizona-students_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Sep 22 23:07:28 2013 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:07:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] membership call number Message-ID: <1C7BE516-D1E3-4676-B03C-94137E68AEE0@gmail.com> Hi all, the phone number is actually (605) 475-6700 code: 786-9673 Thanks, Darian From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 22 23:03:56 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:03:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Arizona-students] NABS Presents: Back to SchoolMembership Call In-Reply-To: <309B403F-0EE6-4799-9E02-42283FAB0ADB@gmail.com> References: <1607A5DC-8ADE-4376-8FBC-7F15D9CBB983@gmail.com> <309B403F-0EE6-4799-9E02-42283FAB0ADB@gmail.com> Message-ID: It isn't working for me either! Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Ryan wrote: > > The number isn't working for me > Anyone else having issues? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 17, 2013, at 20:30, Darian Smith wrote: >> >> Hello Fellow Scholars, >> I know you've been waiting in eager anticipation of the Next National Association of Blind Students Membership Call. Not wanting to keep you waiting for too terribly long, it's probably high time we deliver. >> >> The National Association of Blind Students Presents: getting Back to School, tips and techniques. >> Join some of your fellow students as we talk about ways to sussed in the classroom and on campus. >> >> Date: Sunday 9/22/2013 >> >> Time: 7p.m. EST, 4p.m. PST >> Call: (605) 405-6700 code: 786-9673 >> should you have any questions, Please contact Darian Smith, membership committee chair at >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Darian Smith >> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> www.nabslink.org >> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >>> >>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Arizona-students mailing list >> Arizona-students at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/arizona-students_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Arizona-students: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/arizona-students_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Sun Sep 22 23:54:32 2013 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:54:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Suzanne, What school do you go to and what clicker do you use? For one thing, there are accessible clickers. I don't know much about it, as I have never used one. And if this is the only class you're taking with clicker questions, you may not care to look into using one. But for future reference if you want, look into it. There is iClicker, and there is TurningPoint or Turning Technology. As for now, I would highly recommend talking to your professor about the questions you have missed. This happened to me. I kept missing them because there was so little time and I wasn't prepared to deal with that. So to get credit for the ones I missed, I just talked to him and explained the situation. I suggested a way to make up for the missed points, to ask me questions, either during their office time or just before or after lecture that were similar to the clicker questions, and then if I get it right, just add those points to grade somewhere or go back and change the points for missed clicker questions. Or I could do some sort of extra credit. That's what happened and it worked out fine. I hope you are in close contact with your professor. And I hope you are communicating all these accessibility situations to him/her. Often the professor will have a great alternative. As for the rest of the clicker questions throughout the rest of your current class, I would have someone help you with entering the responses on the clicker, as it is not fair to not be able to make sure your response is accurate and has been sent successfully. You should be able to enter the channel before class ever starts. I would enter the channel when I got to class that way it already knows what channel I was on and didn't ask me when I was trying to enter information. There may be a way to lock in the channel so you don't have to enter it, as someone suggested, u might want to look into that. That would certainly be the easiest thing, if that is the only class you are using it for. But if you are using it for more than one class, enter the channel before class starts and it should not be an issue when you are doing the question. Then like I said, for the question, have a TA or a reader from DSS or your own reader help you with seeing the screen. Of course if you are just doing multiple choice answers, it may not be a big deal, but if you are entering numeric information, I think it's good to be able to double check the screen, and depending on which clicker your school uses, you will need help with entering the numeric info. I would suggest not using a student next to you to help you with it though, as these questions typically only give a very short time period to answer, and each student needs that limited time to figure out the answer and enter it for themselves. As far as getting access to the actual question, you could have your professor print out the question and give it to you in large font every day when he puts it up on the board. Sit in front so if they forget, you can raise your hand or whatever to remind them to give it to you. If they forget to print it out for you, they either will just use the questions as review and not give anyone points for that day or they will do something to let u get those missed points as they will be aware that it is not your fault that you missed it. I used to email my professors the day or morning before each class politely reminding them, towards the beginning of the semester. I think that might be a good option for you. Or you could possibly have them email it to you before class or something. Or you could use a reader for the question as well. One way to get around this is to have the clicker questions on an accessible website, which some schools do. I don't know how complicated of a process it is to set that up but if nothing else, you could suggest it to your professor for future reference. As for your lab. I think there have been some very good suggestions. One thing that always comes to mind is - Get a reader. Pay someone to describe something for you, you might be able to get someone from DSS to do this. The option that I personally would take however, is what Arielle said - do something that does not require sight. If my understanding of your assignment is correct, I don't know why you need to involve vision in it at all, unless you just want to. Working with another student is also something you could ask your teacher about I suppose. Good luck. And let us know what you decide. Anna E Givens On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > I wonder if there is a way to lock the channel on the clicker so you > can't accidentally get kicked out of the channel you need to be in? > Arielle > > On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> Our clicker questions are every lecture and count toward our grade. She has >> read the questions out loud but quickly and they are biology genetics stuff >> so I usually need to reread and make sure I have all the data right before >> doing my punnet squares or come up with the answer. >> >> Most of the time the questions were not super long so I had time to reread >> and calculate. >> >> There have been several times I enter my answer and my screen says change >> channel? I need to get out magnifier which takes a few seconds to turn on >> then go through the menu on the clicker o make sure the channel is still >> right, get back to the place ot answer then answer. The channel is often >> wrong because it took my answer entry as my input for new channel. >> >> I have 2 days with no answers registered when got all four each day >> correct. >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Suzanne, >>> >>> I am not sure if each college or university uses the clicker questions in >>> the same manner, but I can describe how I have been able to use them >>> while >>> attending a community college. >>> >>> The professor who uses the clicker questions only uses them for review >>> questions and poll questions. Therefore, if a student is not able to >>> participate, or does not wish to participate, it does not effect their >>> grade. >>> >>> In the past, the professor handed out the clickers during class. They >>> were >>> not all that complicated as they had a layout similar to a telephone >>> keypad. However, this semester students can use either a cell phone to >>> text >>> the answer, or log into the survey website with their laptop computers. >>> >>> In either case, the professor reads both the question and the answers >>> aloud so I can follow along with what the rest of the class is doing. >>> When >>> the professor used the clickers, all I had to do was press the button >>> that >>> corresponded with the answer while pointing it in the direction of my >>> professor. >>> >>> I do not know if every school uses the clickers in this same manner, but >>> this is how I was able to deal with the situation. Alternative methods >>> may >>> be to ask a student sitting next to you to read the question and the >>> answers, or perhaps a reader from the disabilities office if they provide >>> such a service. >>> >>> Even though I have had usable vision for most of my life, I have found >>> non-visual techniques to be the most effective and efficient for me. >>> Perhaps you may wish to give some of them a try. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> ------------------------------**-------------------- >>> From: "Suzanne Germano" >>> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:03 PM >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class >>> >>> I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have to >>>> observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the >>>> experiment. An example that one person is doing is what percentage of >>>> time >>>> do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets. >>>> >>>> I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me >>>> somewhere >>>> and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times. >>>> >>>> Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find the >>>> best >>>> solution to be? >>>> >>>> Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv to see >>>> the >>>> board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough. And >>>> there >>>> have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode when I >>>> select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the buttons. I >>>> have >>>> to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of change >>>> channel mode by the time I fix it time is up. >>>> >>>> Suzanne >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 00:04:31 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:04:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Arizona-students] NABS Presents: Back to SchoolMembership Call In-Reply-To: <0F9C8AED-CBAA-4834-A3D4-DCD241291E78@sbcglobal.net> References: <1607A5DC-8ADE-4376-8FBC-7F15D9CBB983@gmail.com> <309B403F-0EE6-4799-9E02-42283FAB0ADB@gmail.com> <0F9C8AED-CBAA-4834-A3D4-DCD241291E78@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <003501ceb7f0$7b9995a0$72ccc0e0$@gmail.com> What is the code? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Haley Sumner Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Georgia Association of blind students; Minnesota Association of blind students; Kentucky Association of blind students; Illinois Association of blind students; Michigan Association of blind students; North Carolina Association of blind students; Nebraska Association of blind students; New Hampshire Association of blind students; List for NABS State Presidents; West Virginia Association of blind students; fabs at nfbnet.org; cabs-talk blind students; Colorado Association of Blind Students; Massachusetts Association of blind students; Texas Association of blind students; Louisiana Association of blind students; Maryland Association of blind students; Ohio Association of blind students; New Mexico Association of Blind Students; Alabama Association of blind students; New Jersey Association of blind students; Wisconsin Association of blind students; New York Association of blind students; Utah Association of blind students; National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Virginia Association of blind students; Missouri Association of Blind Students; Tennessee Association of blind students; Arizona Association of Blind Students List Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Arizona-students] NABS Presents: Back to SchoolMembership Call Use 605-475-6700 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Ryan wrote: > > The number isn't working for me > Anyone else having issues? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 17, 2013, at 20:30, Darian Smith wrote: >> >> Hello Fellow Scholars, >> I know you've been waiting in eager anticipation of the Next National Association of Blind Students Membership Call. Not wanting to keep you waiting for too terribly long, it's probably high time we deliver. >> >> The National Association of Blind Students Presents: getting Back to School, tips and techniques. >> Join some of your fellow students as we talk about ways to sussed in the classroom and on campus. >> >> Date: Sunday 9/22/2013 >> >> Time: 7p.m. EST, 4p.m. PST >> Call: (605) 405-6700 code: 786-9673 >> should you have any questions, Please contact Darian Smith, >> membership committee chair at dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Darian Smith >> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> www.nabslink.org >> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: >> @nabslink >>> >>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further Donate your car to the >>> National Federation of the Blind today! >>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or >>> call 1-855-659-9314 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Arizona-students mailing list >> Arizona-students at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/arizona-students_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Arizona-students: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/arizona-students_nfbnet.org/ryan.bi >> shop96%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcg > lobal.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 00:15:00 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:15:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair Message-ID: <004b01ceb7f1$f2ad5450$d807fcf0$@gmail.com> Yeah, Kaiti's tactics works also, and you probably will be doing some of that. This is a great tactic if you just want to go a wandering and exploring on your own. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair Hi, I've gone to a few events like this, and there is no shame in just walking from table to table and asking what each is if that is what you need to do. Getting an agenda would be ideal, but if necessary you can just make the rounds and if you find a table you don't have an interest in, just continue on. On 9/21/13, justin williams wrote: > Can you get an agenda before you go? Maybe carry it on a stream if you > have one, or another mobile divice. At least, look at the agenda on > your computer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 2:12 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair > > What would be the best way to navigate and utilize college activities fair? > This event is called Enormous Activities Fair. Although I am a > freshman and new to this environment I am very sure when they say "enormous" > they mean this adjective wholeheartedly., THere will be many tables > and many people in an unfamiliar area for me. Any suggestions on how > to navigate and utilize this event as a blind student? > I will probably have a sighted friend with me but I want to make sure > both of us have a good time exploring whatever we want even we might > have some different interests. > Miso Kwak > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 00:15:04 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:15:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair In-Reply-To: References: <8A69C473-1B06-44B8-A7D0-EB7412E0A1B9@gmail.com> <8D0850D31E27928-E8C-A634@webmail-vm003.sysops.aol.com> <003301ceb6fe$7e62ddc0$7b289940$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004c01ceb7f1$f45eadd0$dd1c0970$@gmail.com> Yeah, That works also, and you probably will be doing some of that. This is a great tactic if you just want to go a wandering and exploring on your own. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair Hi, I've gone to a few events like this, and there is no shame in just walking from table to table and asking what each is if that is what you need to do. Getting an agenda would be ideal, but if necessary you can just make the rounds and if you find a table you don't have an interest in, just continue on. On 9/21/13, justin williams wrote: > Can you get an agenda before you go? Maybe carry it on a stream if you > have one, or another mobile divice. At least, look at the agenda on > your computer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 2:12 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair > > What would be the best way to navigate and utilize college activities fair? > This event is called Enormous Activities Fair. Although I am a > freshman and new to this environment I am very sure when they say "enormous" > they mean this adjective wholeheartedly., THere will be many tables > and many people in an unfamiliar area for me. Any suggestions on how > to navigate and utilize this event as a blind student? > I will probably have a sighted friend with me but I want to make sure > both of us have a good time exploring whatever we want even we might > have some different interests. > Miso Kwak > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 00:17:09 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:17:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Arizona-students] NABS Presents: Back to SchoolMembership Call In-Reply-To: References: <1607A5DC-8ADE-4376-8FBC-7F15D9CBB983@gmail.com> <309B403F-0EE6-4799-9E02-42283FAB0ADB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005b01ceb7f2$3f4b2120$bde16360$@gmail.com> I saw the code; my bad. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bobbi Pompey Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 7:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Arizona-students] NABS Presents: Back to SchoolMembership Call It isn't working for me either! Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Sep 22, 2013, at 6:56 PM, Ryan wrote: > > The number isn't working for me > Anyone else having issues? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 17, 2013, at 20:30, Darian Smith wrote: >> >> Hello Fellow Scholars, >> I know you've been waiting in eager anticipation of the Next National Association of Blind Students Membership Call. Not wanting to keep you waiting for too terribly long, it's probably high time we deliver. >> >> The National Association of Blind Students Presents: getting Back to School, tips and techniques. >> Join some of your fellow students as we talk about ways to sussed in the classroom and on campus. >> >> Date: Sunday 9/22/2013 >> >> Time: 7p.m. EST, 4p.m. PST >> Call: (605) 405-6700 code: 786-9673 >> should you have any questions, Please contact Darian Smith, >> membership committee chair at dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> Darian Smith >> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> www.nabslink.org >> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: >> @nabslink >>> >>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further Donate your car to the >>> National Federation of the Blind today! >>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or >>> call 1-855-659-9314 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Arizona-students mailing list >> Arizona-students at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/arizona-students_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Arizona-students: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/arizona-students_nfbnet.org/ryan.bi >> shop96%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo > .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 23 01:00:26 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:00:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Does VR cover DC schools? Message-ID: <5D3EAF58-1288-4213-9313-62848BE10E88@yahoo.com> Hello, I am in college in NC and VR is paying for it. I know they will fully pay for public colleges/universitiesin the state I live in. Just for clarification, does VR cover schools in Washington DC? Thank you, PS- does anyone know how long you have to be a resident in a state before VR will pay for your college tuition? Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 01:10:27 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:10:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Does VR cover DC schools? In-Reply-To: <5D3EAF58-1288-4213-9313-62848BE10E88@yahoo.com> References: <5D3EAF58-1288-4213-9313-62848BE10E88@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Bobbi, Every state has slightly different policies, but I believe that if education is in your IPE, then they will assist you in achieving that goal. I have heard that some states provide up to the amount of the most expensive public school, in NC, I believe that's Carolina, and you are responsible for the rest. However, many graduate programs come with research and teaching assistanceships that can assist with tuition. Cindy On 9/22/13, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Hello, I am in college in NC and VR is paying for it. I know they will fully > pay for public colleges/universitiesin the state I live in. > > Just for clarification, does VR cover schools in Washington DC? > > Thank you, > > PS- does anyone know how long you have to be a resident in a state before VR > will pay for your college tuition? > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 01:12:37 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:12:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Does VR cover DC schools? In-Reply-To: References: <5D3EAF58-1288-4213-9313-62848BE10E88@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry for the second message, but to follow that up, I would consider figuring out how you can establish residency if you choose to go to a public school in another state. That way, you can get in-state tuition after their period of residency establishment, usually a year. Sometimes, just going to a school in another state doesn't make you eligible for residency after a year. This is the case in Washington state. So doing things like getting a permanent address, ID, or even switching your VR case to the respective state can help your case for residency after a year. Cindy On 9/22/13, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Hi Bobbi, > > Every state has slightly different policies, but I believe that if > education is in your IPE, then they will assist you in achieving that > goal. I have heard that some states provide up to the amount of the > most expensive public school, in NC, I believe that's Carolina, and > you are responsible for the rest. However, many graduate programs come > with research and teaching assistanceships that can assist with > tuition. > > Cindy > > On 9/22/13, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >> Hello, I am in college in NC and VR is paying for it. I know they will >> fully >> pay for public colleges/universitiesin the state I live in. >> >> Just for clarification, does VR cover schools in Washington DC? >> >> Thank you, >> >> PS- does anyone know how long you have to be a resident in a state before >> VR >> will pay for your college tuition? >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 01:21:17 2013 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:21:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Does VR cover DC schools? In-Reply-To: <5D3EAF58-1288-4213-9313-62848BE10E88@yahoo.com> References: <5D3EAF58-1288-4213-9313-62848BE10E88@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Usually, you have to live in that state for at least 12 consecutive months to be considered as an in-state resident for college tuition purposes. I think it depends on VR, but they may be able to cover part of the tuition, but they will only give you the amount for in-state in NC if you go to school out of state, because NC vocational rehab has a maximum amount that they can pay for school. I live in NC also, and that is what they did for me when I went out of state. They can only give you the same amount that they would give for an in-state school, so you would have to come up with a way to pay the difference, either through scholarships or through grants or loans. However, if you moved to Washington, DC to the state the school is in, either Virginia or Maryland, and lived there for at least 12 months without going to school, then you would be considered a resident of that state rather than of NC for tuition purposes to get in-state tuition for that college you want to go to, although I think it differs from state to state about how they help with college. Perhaps you can look up the website for the state that the school you want to attend is located in (probably Virginia or Maryland depending on where in DC it is) and find out about the programs they have for helping individuals with attending school or look up their number and speak with them to find out about how long you would have to wait and what their procedures are. Hth, Misty -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi Pompey Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Does VR cover DC schools? Hello, I am in college in NC and VR is paying for it. I know they will fully pay for public colleges/universitiesin the state I live in. Just for clarification, does VR cover schools in Washington DC? Thank you, PS- does anyone know how long you have to be a resident in a state before VR will pay for your college tuition? Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 23 01:39:45 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:39:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Does VR cover DC schools? In-Reply-To: <5D3EAF58-1288-4213-9313-62848BE10E88@yahoo.com> References: <5D3EAF58-1288-4213-9313-62848BE10E88@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <155F8F0B89844CF7836BFAAC7A7DE00F@OwnerPC> Hello Bobby, State vr programs differ. But, I would think most states would say a partial No. I live in VA btw. Ask your vr counselor and maybe even their supervisor to ensure the info you get is right. I believe they will not pay for a DC school though if you live in NC. In VA and from what I've heard from most students it works like this. You have to pick an in-state public university/college. VR has a maximum amount they will allocate for college. VR wants you to go in-state if that will meet your vr goal. If you go out of state, they will partially fund it if you have sufficient justification to go out of state. For VA, I think they give you the tuition amount for the highest in-state school which will not be enough for out of state tuition. Bottom line, you will get some funding if your vr counselor is cooperative and follows the rules which you need to find out. But you will need to make up the difference they do not cover. Out of state tuition is almost double the in-state. Also, DC schools are competetive and certainly high tuition. You could establish residency if you have a way to live there a year, but this is easier said than done. If you have friends or relatives, this may be more doable with their cooperation. You can use their address as your permanent address there when you go to live there even though you'll live on campus. >From what I've heard getting out of state funding is definitely harder. I hope you can come to dc if that is what you want to do, but you will have to find other funds like grants and scholarships. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi Pompey Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Does VR cover DC schools? Hello, I am in college in NC and VR is paying for it. I know they will fully pay for public colleges/universitiesin the state I live in. Just for clarification, does VR cover schools in Washington DC? Thank you, PS- does anyone know how long you have to be a resident in a state before VR will pay for your college tuition? Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 02:02:58 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:02:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Does VR cover DC schools? In-Reply-To: References: <5D3EAF58-1288-4213-9313-62848BE10E88@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0D4B9805-64D0-4D48-BB98-3A2F14ADD51C@gmail.com> You can also ask the school you want to go to about out-of-state tuition waivers. The university Iam going to transfer to said they will likely waive out-of-state tuition for me as long as Ikeep up my good GPA and apply for the waiver. But this also is because I will be going into a program they are actively recruiting for and I fit their "profile" of a desireable student. I am not trying to brag; I say it to suggest that you could possibly qualify for a waiver if you show the university how your attendance will benefit them. This may be in a similar way I am or in another way but you should think about why you want to go to this school and how you will be an asset. Just something to think about. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 22, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > > Usually, you have to live in that state for at least 12 consecutive months to be considered as an in-state resident for college tuition purposes. I think it depends on VR, but they may be able to cover part of the tuition, but they will only give you the amount for in-state in NC if you go to school out of state, because NC vocational rehab has a maximum amount that they can pay for school. I live in NC also, and that is what they did for me when I went out of state. They can only give you the same amount that they would give for an in-state school, so you would have to come up with a way to pay the difference, either through scholarships or through grants or loans. However, if you moved to Washington, DC to the state the school is in, either Virginia or Maryland, and lived there for at least 12 months without going to school, then you would be considered a resident of that state rather than of NC for tuition purposes to get in-state tuition for that college you want to go to, although I think it differs from state to state about how they help with college. Perhaps you can look up the website for the state that the school you want to attend is located in (probably Virginia or Maryland depending on where in DC it is) and find out about the programs they have for helping individuals with attending school or look up their number and speak with them to find out about how long you would have to wait and what their procedures are. > Hth, > Misty > > > -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi Pompey > Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:00 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Does VR cover DC schools? > > Hello, I am in college in NC and VR is paying for it. I know they will fully pay for public colleges/universitiesin the state I live in. > > Just for clarification, does VR cover schools in Washington DC? > > Thank you, > > PS- does anyone know how long you have to be a resident in a state before VR will pay for your college tuition? > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From sgermano at asu.edu Mon Sep 23 02:44:36 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:44:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We use turning point. I have the clicker set to the channel at the start of class and it is the only class I use a clicker for. For some reason when I answer the question (which is multiple choice) there have been several time it end up on the change channel screen. I may ask for print outs and ask if I can just circle my answer. I don't know if she will think I will cheat since after every one enters their answer she tells the correct one. I don't use readers or note-takers. I only use a lab aid in biology On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > Suzanne, > What school do you go to and what clicker do you use? > > For one thing, there are accessible clickers. I don't know much about it, > as I have never used one. And if this is the only class you're taking with > clicker questions, you may not care to look into using one. But for future > reference if you want, look into it. There is iClicker, and there is > TurningPoint or Turning Technology. > > As for now, I would highly recommend talking to your professor about the > questions you have missed. This happened to me. I kept missing them > because there was so little time and I wasn't prepared to deal with that. > So to get credit for the ones I missed, I just talked to him and explained > the situation. I suggested a way to make up for the missed points, to ask > me questions, either during their office time or just before or after > lecture that were similar to the clicker questions, and then if I get it > right, just add those points to grade somewhere or go back and change the > points for missed clicker questions. Or I could do some sort of extra > credit. That's what happened and it worked out fine. > I hope you are in close contact with your professor. And I hope you are > communicating all these accessibility situations to him/her. Often the > professor will have a great alternative. As for the rest of the clicker > questions throughout the rest of your current class, I would have someone > help you with entering the responses on the clicker, as it is not fair to > not be able to make sure your response is accurate and has been sent > successfully. You should be able to enter the channel before class ever > starts. I would enter the channel when I got to class that way it already > knows what channel I was on and didn't ask me when I was trying to enter > information. There may be a way to lock in the channel so you don't have > to enter it, as someone suggested, u might want to look into that. That > would certainly be the easiest thing, if that is the only class you are > using it for. But if you are using it for more than one class, enter the > channel before class starts and it should > not be an issue when you are doing the question. Then like I said, for > the question, have a TA or a reader from DSS or your own reader help you > with seeing the screen. Of course if you are just doing multiple choice > answers, it may not be a big deal, but if you are entering numeric > information, I think it's good to be able to double check the screen, and > depending on which clicker your school uses, you will need help with > entering the numeric info. I would suggest not using a student next to you > to help you with it though, as these questions typically only give a very > short time period to answer, and each student needs that limited time to > figure out the answer and enter it for themselves. > > As far as getting access to the actual question, you could have your > professor print out the question and give it to you in large font every day > when he puts it up on the board. Sit in front so if they forget, you can > raise your hand or whatever to remind them to give it to you. If they > forget to print it out for you, they either will just use the questions as > review and not give anyone points for that day or they will do something to > let u get those missed points as they will be aware that it is not your > fault that you missed it. I used to email my professors the day or > morning before each class politely reminding them, towards the beginning of > the semester. I think that might be a good option for you. Or you could > possibly have them email it to you before class or something. Or you could > use a reader for the question as well. > One way to get around this is to have the clicker questions on an > accessible website, which some schools do. I don't know how complicated of > a process it is to set that up but if nothing else, you could suggest it to > your professor for future reference. > > As for your lab. I think there have been some very good suggestions. One > thing that always comes to mind is - Get a reader. Pay someone to describe > something for you, you might be able to get someone from DSS to do this. > The option that I personally would take however, is what Arielle said - do > something that does not require sight. If my understanding of your > assignment is correct, I don't know why you need to involve vision in it at > all, unless you just want to. > Working with another student is also something you could ask your teacher > about I suppose. Good luck. And let us know what you decide. > > Anna E Givens > > On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Arielle Silverman > wrote: > > > I wonder if there is a way to lock the channel on the clicker so you > > can't accidentally get kicked out of the channel you need to be in? > > Arielle > > > > On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: > >> Our clicker questions are every lecture and count toward our grade. She > has > >> read the questions out loud but quickly and they are biology genetics > stuff > >> so I usually need to reread and make sure I have all the data right > before > >> doing my punnet squares or come up with the answer. > >> > >> Most of the time the questions were not super long so I had time to > reread > >> and calculate. > >> > >> There have been several times I enter my answer and my screen says > change > >> channel? I need to get out magnifier which takes a few seconds to turn > on > >> then go through the menu on the clicker o make sure the channel is still > >> right, get back to the place ot answer then answer. The channel is often > >> wrong because it took my answer entry as my input for new channel. > >> > >> I have 2 days with no answers registered when got all four each day > >> correct. > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hello Suzanne, > >>> > >>> I am not sure if each college or university uses the clicker questions > in > >>> the same manner, but I can describe how I have been able to use them > >>> while > >>> attending a community college. > >>> > >>> The professor who uses the clicker questions only uses them for review > >>> questions and poll questions. Therefore, if a student is not able to > >>> participate, or does not wish to participate, it does not effect their > >>> grade. > >>> > >>> In the past, the professor handed out the clickers during class. They > >>> were > >>> not all that complicated as they had a layout similar to a telephone > >>> keypad. However, this semester students can use either a cell phone to > >>> text > >>> the answer, or log into the survey website with their laptop computers. > >>> > >>> In either case, the professor reads both the question and the answers > >>> aloud so I can follow along with what the rest of the class is doing. > >>> When > >>> the professor used the clickers, all I had to do was press the button > >>> that > >>> corresponded with the answer while pointing it in the direction of my > >>> professor. > >>> > >>> I do not know if every school uses the clickers in this same manner, > but > >>> this is how I was able to deal with the situation. Alternative methods > >>> may > >>> be to ask a student sitting next to you to read the question and the > >>> answers, or perhaps a reader from the disabilities office if they > provide > >>> such a service. > >>> > >>> Even though I have had usable vision for most of my life, I have found > >>> non-visual techniques to be the most effective and efficient for me. > >>> Perhaps you may wish to give some of them a try. > >>> > >>> Warm regards, > >>> Elizabeth > >>> > >>> ------------------------------**-------------------- > >>> From: "Suzanne Germano" > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:03 PM > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class > >>> > >>> I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have to > >>>> observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the > >>>> experiment. An example that one person is doing is what percentage of > >>>> time > >>>> do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets. > >>>> > >>>> I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me > >>>> somewhere > >>>> and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times. > >>>> > >>>> Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find the > >>>> best > >>>> solution to be? > >>>> > >>>> Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv to see > >>>> the > >>>> board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough. And > >>>> there > >>>> have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode when > I > >>>> select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the buttons. I > >>>> have > >>>> to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of > change > >>>> channel mode by the time I fix it time is up. > >>>> > >>>> Suzanne > >>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >>>> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > > >>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From kwakmiso at aol.com Mon Sep 23 02:51:52 2013 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair In-Reply-To: <004c01ceb7f1$f45eadd0$dd1c0970$@gmail.com> References: <004c01ceb7f1$f45eadd0$dd1c0970$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D0861EFDFD8F16-2A98-11FF8@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com> Thank you for the tips. Since there is no agenda or even the list of tables I will just have to do that. -----Original Message----- From: justin williams To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Sent: Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair Yeah, That works also, and you probably will be doing some of that. This is a great tactic if you just want to go a wandering and exploring on your own. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair Hi, I've gone to a few events like this, and there is no shame in just walking from table to table and asking what each is if that is what you need to do. Getting an agenda would be ideal, but if necessary you can just make the rounds and if you find a table you don't have an interest in, just continue on. On 9/21/13, justin williams wrote: > Can you get an agenda before you go? Maybe carry it on a stream if you > have one, or another mobile divice. At least, look at the agenda on > your computer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 2:12 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair > > What would be the best way to navigate and utilize college activities fair? > This event is called Enormous Activities Fair. Although I am a > freshman and new to this environment I am very sure when they say "enormous" > they mean this adjective wholeheartedly., THere will be many tables > and many people in an unfamiliar area for me. Any suggestions on how > to navigate and utilize this event as a blind student? > I will probably have a sighted friend with me but I want to make sure > both of us have a good time exploring whatever we want even we might > have some different interests. > Miso Kwak > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 03:06:38 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:06:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair In-Reply-To: <8D0861EFDFD8F16-2A98-11FF8@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com> References: <004c01ceb7f1$f45eadd0$dd1c0970$@gmail.com> <8D0861EFDFD8F16-2A98-11FF8@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00a201ceb809$ec81d070$c5857150$@gmail.com> Keep in mind, that walking from table is for freedom independence and your way of experiencing the fair on your terms. Use your friends inicially if possible for orientation, and for finding the tables you want quickly. For optimal enjoyment, a combination of both is better. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:52 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair Thank you for the tips. Since there is no agenda or even the list of tables I will just have to do that. -----Original Message----- From: justin williams To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Sent: Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair Yeah, That works also, and you probably will be doing some of that. This is a great tactic if you just want to go a wandering and exploring on your own. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair Hi, I've gone to a few events like this, and there is no shame in just walking from table to table and asking what each is if that is what you need to do. Getting an agenda would be ideal, but if necessary you can just make the rounds and if you find a table you don't have an interest in, just continue on. On 9/21/13, justin williams wrote: > Can you get an agenda before you go? Maybe carry it on a stream if you > have one, or another mobile divice. At least, look at the agenda on > your computer. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 2:12 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair > > What would be the best way to navigate and utilize college activities fair? > This event is called Enormous Activities Fair. Although I am a > freshman and new to this environment I am very sure when they say "enormous" > they mean this adjective wholeheartedly., THere will be many tables > and many people in an unfamiliar area for me. Any suggestions on how > to navigate and utilize this event as a blind student? > I will probably have a sighted friend with me but I want to make sure > both of us have a good time exploring whatever we want even we might > have some different interests. > Miso Kwak > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 03:53:09 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:53:09 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You could probably circle your answers on a printout and then come up and give your printout to the professor before she discusses the answers with the class. Would that work? Arielle On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: > We use turning point. I have the clicker set to the channel at the start of > class and it is the only class I use a clicker for. > > For some reason when I answer the question (which is multiple choice) there > have been several time it end up on the change channel screen. > > I may ask for print outs and ask if I can just circle my answer. I don't > know if she will think I will cheat since after every one enters their > answer she tells the correct one. > > I don't use readers or note-takers. I only use a lab aid in biology > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Anna Givens wrote: > >> Suzanne, >> What school do you go to and what clicker do you use? >> >> For one thing, there are accessible clickers. I don't know much about >> it, >> as I have never used one. And if this is the only class you're taking >> with >> clicker questions, you may not care to look into using one. But for >> future >> reference if you want, look into it. There is iClicker, and there is >> TurningPoint or Turning Technology. >> >> As for now, I would highly recommend talking to your professor about the >> questions you have missed. This happened to me. I kept missing them >> because there was so little time and I wasn't prepared to deal with that. >> So to get credit for the ones I missed, I just talked to him and >> explained >> the situation. I suggested a way to make up for the missed points, to >> ask >> me questions, either during their office time or just before or after >> lecture that were similar to the clicker questions, and then if I get it >> right, just add those points to grade somewhere or go back and change the >> points for missed clicker questions. Or I could do some sort of extra >> credit. That's what happened and it worked out fine. >> I hope you are in close contact with your professor. And I hope you are >> communicating all these accessibility situations to him/her. Often the >> professor will have a great alternative. As for the rest of the clicker >> questions throughout the rest of your current class, I would have someone >> help you with entering the responses on the clicker, as it is not fair to >> not be able to make sure your response is accurate and has been sent >> successfully. You should be able to enter the channel before class ever >> starts. I would enter the channel when I got to class that way it >> already >> knows what channel I was on and didn't ask me when I was trying to enter >> information. There may be a way to lock in the channel so you don't >> have >> to enter it, as someone suggested, u might want to look into that. That >> would certainly be the easiest thing, if that is the only class you are >> using it for. But if you are using it for more than one class, enter the >> channel before class starts and it should >> not be an issue when you are doing the question. Then like I said, for >> the question, have a TA or a reader from DSS or your own reader help you >> with seeing the screen. Of course if you are just doing multiple choice >> answers, it may not be a big deal, but if you are entering numeric >> information, I think it's good to be able to double check the screen, and >> depending on which clicker your school uses, you will need help with >> entering the numeric info. I would suggest not using a student next to >> you >> to help you with it though, as these questions typically only give a very >> short time period to answer, and each student needs that limited time to >> figure out the answer and enter it for themselves. >> >> As far as getting access to the actual question, you could have your >> professor print out the question and give it to you in large font every >> day >> when he puts it up on the board. Sit in front so if they forget, you can >> raise your hand or whatever to remind them to give it to you. If they >> forget to print it out for you, they either will just use the questions >> as >> review and not give anyone points for that day or they will do something >> to >> let u get those missed points as they will be aware that it is not your >> fault that you missed it. I used to email my professors the day or >> morning before each class politely reminding them, towards the beginning >> of >> the semester. I think that might be a good option for you. Or you could >> possibly have them email it to you before class or something. Or you >> could >> use a reader for the question as well. >> One way to get around this is to have the clicker questions on an >> accessible website, which some schools do. I don't know how complicated >> of >> a process it is to set that up but if nothing else, you could suggest it >> to >> your professor for future reference. >> >> As for your lab. I think there have been some very good suggestions. >> One >> thing that always comes to mind is - Get a reader. Pay someone to >> describe >> something for you, you might be able to get someone from DSS to do this. >> The option that I personally would take however, is what Arielle said - >> do >> something that does not require sight. If my understanding of your >> assignment is correct, I don't know why you need to involve vision in it >> at >> all, unless you just want to. >> Working with another student is also something you could ask your teacher >> about I suppose. Good luck. And let us know what you decide. >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Arielle Silverman >> wrote: >> >> > I wonder if there is a way to lock the channel on the clicker so you >> > can't accidentally get kicked out of the channel you need to be in? >> > Arielle >> > >> > On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> >> Our clicker questions are every lecture and count toward our grade. >> >> She >> has >> >> read the questions out loud but quickly and they are biology genetics >> stuff >> >> so I usually need to reread and make sure I have all the data right >> before >> >> doing my punnet squares or come up with the answer. >> >> >> >> Most of the time the questions were not super long so I had time to >> reread >> >> and calculate. >> >> >> >> There have been several times I enter my answer and my screen says >> change >> >> channel? I need to get out magnifier which takes a few seconds to turn >> on >> >> then go through the menu on the clicker o make sure the channel is >> >> still >> >> right, get back to the place ot answer then answer. The channel is >> >> often >> >> wrong because it took my answer entry as my input for new channel. >> >> >> >> I have 2 days with no answers registered when got all four each day >> >> correct. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hello Suzanne, >> >>> >> >>> I am not sure if each college or university uses the clicker >> >>> questions >> in >> >>> the same manner, but I can describe how I have been able to use them >> >>> while >> >>> attending a community college. >> >>> >> >>> The professor who uses the clicker questions only uses them for >> >>> review >> >>> questions and poll questions. Therefore, if a student is not able to >> >>> participate, or does not wish to participate, it does not effect >> >>> their >> >>> grade. >> >>> >> >>> In the past, the professor handed out the clickers during class. They >> >>> were >> >>> not all that complicated as they had a layout similar to a telephone >> >>> keypad. However, this semester students can use either a cell phone >> >>> to >> >>> text >> >>> the answer, or log into the survey website with their laptop >> >>> computers. >> >>> >> >>> In either case, the professor reads both the question and the answers >> >>> aloud so I can follow along with what the rest of the class is doing. >> >>> When >> >>> the professor used the clickers, all I had to do was press the button >> >>> that >> >>> corresponded with the answer while pointing it in the direction of my >> >>> professor. >> >>> >> >>> I do not know if every school uses the clickers in this same manner, >> but >> >>> this is how I was able to deal with the situation. Alternative >> >>> methods >> >>> may >> >>> be to ask a student sitting next to you to read the question and the >> >>> answers, or perhaps a reader from the disabilities office if they >> provide >> >>> such a service. >> >>> >> >>> Even though I have had usable vision for most of my life, I have >> >>> found >> >>> non-visual techniques to be the most effective and efficient for me. >> >>> Perhaps you may wish to give some of them a try. >> >>> >> >>> Warm regards, >> >>> Elizabeth >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------**-------------------- >> >>> From: "Suzanne Germano" >> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:03 PM >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class >> >>> >> >>> I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have to >> >>>> observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the >> >>>> experiment. An example that one person is doing is what percentage >> >>>> of >> >>>> time >> >>>> do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets. >> >>>> >> >>>> I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me >> >>>> somewhere >> >>>> and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times. >> >>>> >> >>>> Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find the >> >>>> best >> >>>> solution to be? >> >>>> >> >>>> Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv to >> >>>> see >> >>>> the >> >>>> board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough. >> >>>> And >> >>>> there >> >>>> have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode >> >>>> when >> I >> >>>> select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the buttons. I >> >>>> have >> >>>> to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of >> change >> >>>> channel mode by the time I fix it time is up. >> >>>> >> >>>> Suzanne >> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> >>>> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com< >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > >> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 04:01:56 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 00:01:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair In-Reply-To: <00a201ceb809$ec81d070$c5857150$@gmail.com> References: <004c01ceb7f1$f45eadd0$dd1c0970$@gmail.com> <8D0861EFDFD8F16-2A98-11FF8@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com> <00a201ceb809$ec81d070$c5857150$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Agreed. That's the best way to go, blend the two techniques if at all possible. Also, I'd recommend bringing along some sort of labeling device so that you can label any brochures or pamphlets you might want to keep for a while. It makes it much easier to hand someone a paper and just ask them to read that particular one than to hand them a stack and say, can you find papers X, Y, and Z and read them? Some schools have a list of their clubs posted online. Although most likely not all of them will be at the event, looking online might be a good way to find some groups you're interested in trying out. If they have a table then you'll know which ones to specifically seek out, and even if they don't have tables there you will have a group name to start with for finding the appropriate people to help you get involved. Hope this helps. On 9/22/13, justin williams wrote: > Keep in mind, that walking from table is for freedom independence and your > way of experiencing the fair on your terms. Use your friends inicially if > possible for orientation, and for finding the tables you want quickly. For > optimal enjoyment, a combination of both is better. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak > Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:52 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair > > Thank you for the tips. Since there is no agenda or even the list of tables > I will just have to do that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: justin williams > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Sent: Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:15 pm > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair > > Yeah, That works also, and you probably will be doing some of that. > This is > a great tactic if you just want to go a wandering and exploring on your > own. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > Shelton > Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:46 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair > > Hi, > > I've gone to a few events like this, and there is no shame in just > walking > from table to table and asking what each is if that is what you need > to do. > Getting an agenda would be ideal, but if necessary you can just make the > rounds and if you find a table you don't have an interest in, just > continue > on. > > On 9/21/13, justin williams wrote: >> Can you get an agenda before you go? Maybe carry it on a stream if > you >> have one, or another mobile divice. At least, look at the agenda on >> your computer. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak >> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 2:12 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair >> >> What would be the best way to navigate and utilize college activities > fair? >> This event is called Enormous Activities Fair. Although I am a >> freshman and new to this environment I am very sure when they say > "enormous" >> they mean this adjective wholeheartedly., THere will be many tables >> and many people in an unfamiliar area for me. Any suggestions on how >> to navigate and utilize this event as a blind student? >> I will probably have a sighted friend with me but I want to make sure >> both of us have a good time exploring whatever we want even we might >> have some different interests. >> Miso Kwak >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From kwakmiso at aol.com Mon Sep 23 04:07:03 2013 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:07:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair Message-ID: Thank you for the excellent suggestion about the brochures! -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair Agreed. That's the best way to go, blend the two techniques if at all possible. Also, I'd recommend bringing along some sort of labeling device so that you can label any brochures or pamphlets you might want to keep for a while. It makes it much easier to hand someone a paper and just ask them to read that particular one than to hand them a stack and say, can you find papers X, Y, and Z and read them? Some schools have a list of their clubs posted online. Although most likely not all of them will be at the event, looking online might be a good way to find some groups you're interested in trying out. If they have a table then you'll know which ones to specifically seek out, and even if they don't have tables there you will have a group name to start with for finding the appropriate people to help you get involved. Hope this helps. On 9/22/13, justin williams wrote: > Keep in mind, that walking from table is for freedom independence and your > way of experiencing the fair on your terms. Use your friends inicially if > possible for orientation, and for finding the tables you want quickly. For > optimal enjoyment, a combination of both is better. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak > Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:52 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair > > Thank you for the tips. Since there is no agenda or even the list of tables > I will just have to do that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: justin williams > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Sent: Sun, Sep 22, 2013 5:15 pm > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair > > Yeah, That works also, and you probably will be doing some of that. > This is > a great tactic if you just want to go a wandering and exploring on your > own. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > Shelton > Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:46 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair > > Hi, > > I've gone to a few events like this, and there is no shame in just > walking > from table to table and asking what each is if that is what you need > to do. > Getting an agenda would be ideal, but if necessary you can just make the > rounds and if you find a table you don't have an interest in, just > continue > on. > > On 9/21/13, justin williams wrote: >> Can you get an agenda before you go? Maybe carry it on a stream if > you >> have one, or another mobile divice. At least, look at the agenda on >> your computer. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak >> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 2:12 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating Activities Fair >> >> What would be the best way to navigate and utilize college activities > fair? >> This event is called Enormous Activities Fair. Although I am a >> freshman and new to this environment I am very sure when they say > "enormous" >> they mean this adjective wholeheartedly., THere will be many tables >> and many people in an unfamiliar area for me. Any suggestions on how >> to navigate and utilize this event as a blind student? >> I will probably have a sighted friend with me but I want to make sure >> both of us have a good time exploring whatever we want even we might >> have some different interests. >> Miso Kwak >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com From sgermano at asu.edu Mon Sep 23 04:07:16 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:07:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will check with her she give the answers immediately after the time runs out to enter them. On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Arielle Silverman < Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: > You could probably circle your answers on a printout and then come up > and give your printout to the professor before she discusses the > answers with the class. Would that work? > Arielle > > On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: > > We use turning point. I have the clicker set to the channel at the start > of > > class and it is the only class I use a clicker for. > > > > For some reason when I answer the question (which is multiple choice) > there > > have been several time it end up on the change channel screen. > > > > I may ask for print outs and ask if I can just circle my answer. I don't > > know if she will think I will cheat since after every one enters their > > answer she tells the correct one. > > > > I don't use readers or note-takers. I only use a lab aid in biology > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Anna Givens > wrote: > > > >> Suzanne, > >> What school do you go to and what clicker do you use? > >> > >> For one thing, there are accessible clickers. I don't know much about > >> it, > >> as I have never used one. And if this is the only class you're taking > >> with > >> clicker questions, you may not care to look into using one. But for > >> future > >> reference if you want, look into it. There is iClicker, and there is > >> TurningPoint or Turning Technology. > >> > >> As for now, I would highly recommend talking to your professor about the > >> questions you have missed. This happened to me. I kept missing them > >> because there was so little time and I wasn't prepared to deal with > that. > >> So to get credit for the ones I missed, I just talked to him and > >> explained > >> the situation. I suggested a way to make up for the missed points, to > >> ask > >> me questions, either during their office time or just before or after > >> lecture that were similar to the clicker questions, and then if I get it > >> right, just add those points to grade somewhere or go back and change > the > >> points for missed clicker questions. Or I could do some sort of extra > >> credit. That's what happened and it worked out fine. > >> I hope you are in close contact with your professor. And I hope you are > >> communicating all these accessibility situations to him/her. Often the > >> professor will have a great alternative. As for the rest of the clicker > >> questions throughout the rest of your current class, I would have > someone > >> help you with entering the responses on the clicker, as it is not fair > to > >> not be able to make sure your response is accurate and has been sent > >> successfully. You should be able to enter the channel before class ever > >> starts. I would enter the channel when I got to class that way it > >> already > >> knows what channel I was on and didn't ask me when I was trying to enter > >> information. There may be a way to lock in the channel so you don't > >> have > >> to enter it, as someone suggested, u might want to look into that. That > >> would certainly be the easiest thing, if that is the only class you are > >> using it for. But if you are using it for more than one class, enter > the > >> channel before class starts and it should > >> not be an issue when you are doing the question. Then like I said, > for > >> the question, have a TA or a reader from DSS or your own reader help you > >> with seeing the screen. Of course if you are just doing multiple choice > >> answers, it may not be a big deal, but if you are entering numeric > >> information, I think it's good to be able to double check the screen, > and > >> depending on which clicker your school uses, you will need help with > >> entering the numeric info. I would suggest not using a student next to > >> you > >> to help you with it though, as these questions typically only give a > very > >> short time period to answer, and each student needs that limited time to > >> figure out the answer and enter it for themselves. > >> > >> As far as getting access to the actual question, you could have your > >> professor print out the question and give it to you in large font every > >> day > >> when he puts it up on the board. Sit in front so if they forget, you > can > >> raise your hand or whatever to remind them to give it to you. If they > >> forget to print it out for you, they either will just use the questions > >> as > >> review and not give anyone points for that day or they will do something > >> to > >> let u get those missed points as they will be aware that it is not your > >> fault that you missed it. I used to email my professors the day or > >> morning before each class politely reminding them, towards the beginning > >> of > >> the semester. I think that might be a good option for you. Or you > could > >> possibly have them email it to you before class or something. Or you > >> could > >> use a reader for the question as well. > >> One way to get around this is to have the clicker questions on an > >> accessible website, which some schools do. I don't know how complicated > >> of > >> a process it is to set that up but if nothing else, you could suggest it > >> to > >> your professor for future reference. > >> > >> As for your lab. I think there have been some very good suggestions. > >> One > >> thing that always comes to mind is - Get a reader. Pay someone to > >> describe > >> something for you, you might be able to get someone from DSS to do this. > >> The option that I personally would take however, is what Arielle said - > >> do > >> something that does not require sight. If my understanding of your > >> assignment is correct, I don't know why you need to involve vision in it > >> at > >> all, unless you just want to. > >> Working with another student is also something you could ask your > teacher > >> about I suppose. Good luck. And let us know what you decide. > >> > >> Anna E Givens > >> > >> On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Arielle Silverman > >> wrote: > >> > >> > I wonder if there is a way to lock the channel on the clicker so you > >> > can't accidentally get kicked out of the channel you need to be in? > >> > Arielle > >> > > >> > On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: > >> >> Our clicker questions are every lecture and count toward our grade. > >> >> She > >> has > >> >> read the questions out loud but quickly and they are biology genetics > >> stuff > >> >> so I usually need to reread and make sure I have all the data right > >> before > >> >> doing my punnet squares or come up with the answer. > >> >> > >> >> Most of the time the questions were not super long so I had time to > >> reread > >> >> and calculate. > >> >> > >> >> There have been several times I enter my answer and my screen says > >> change > >> >> channel? I need to get out magnifier which takes a few seconds to > turn > >> on > >> >> then go through the menu on the clicker o make sure the channel is > >> >> still > >> >> right, get back to the place ot answer then answer. The channel is > >> >> often > >> >> wrong because it took my answer entry as my input for new channel. > >> >> > >> >> I have 2 days with no answers registered when got all four each day > >> >> correct. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Hello Suzanne, > >> >>> > >> >>> I am not sure if each college or university uses the clicker > >> >>> questions > >> in > >> >>> the same manner, but I can describe how I have been able to use them > >> >>> while > >> >>> attending a community college. > >> >>> > >> >>> The professor who uses the clicker questions only uses them for > >> >>> review > >> >>> questions and poll questions. Therefore, if a student is not able to > >> >>> participate, or does not wish to participate, it does not effect > >> >>> their > >> >>> grade. > >> >>> > >> >>> In the past, the professor handed out the clickers during class. > They > >> >>> were > >> >>> not all that complicated as they had a layout similar to a telephone > >> >>> keypad. However, this semester students can use either a cell phone > >> >>> to > >> >>> text > >> >>> the answer, or log into the survey website with their laptop > >> >>> computers. > >> >>> > >> >>> In either case, the professor reads both the question and the > answers > >> >>> aloud so I can follow along with what the rest of the class is > doing. > >> >>> When > >> >>> the professor used the clickers, all I had to do was press the > button > >> >>> that > >> >>> corresponded with the answer while pointing it in the direction of > my > >> >>> professor. > >> >>> > >> >>> I do not know if every school uses the clickers in this same manner, > >> but > >> >>> this is how I was able to deal with the situation. Alternative > >> >>> methods > >> >>> may > >> >>> be to ask a student sitting next to you to read the question and the > >> >>> answers, or perhaps a reader from the disabilities office if they > >> provide > >> >>> such a service. > >> >>> > >> >>> Even though I have had usable vision for most of my life, I have > >> >>> found > >> >>> non-visual techniques to be the most effective and efficient for me. > >> >>> Perhaps you may wish to give some of them a try. > >> >>> > >> >>> Warm regards, > >> >>> Elizabeth > >> >>> > >> >>> ------------------------------**-------------------- > >> >>> From: "Suzanne Germano" > >> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:03 PM > >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology > class > >> >>> > >> >>> I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have to > >> >>>> observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the > >> >>>> experiment. An example that one person is doing is what percentage > >> >>>> of > >> >>>> time > >> >>>> do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me > >> >>>> somewhere > >> >>>> and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find > the > >> >>>> best > >> >>>> solution to be? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv to > >> >>>> see > >> >>>> the > >> >>>> board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough. > >> >>>> And > >> >>>> there > >> >>>> have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode > >> >>>> when > >> I > >> >>>> select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the buttons. > I > >> >>>> have > >> >>>> to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of > >> change > >> >>>> channel mode by the time I fix it time is up. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Suzanne > >> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> >>>> for > >> >>>> nabs-l: > >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >> >>>> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com< > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > >> > > >> >>> ______________________________**_________________ > >> >>> nabs-l mailing list > >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > >> >>> nabs-l: > >> >>> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > >> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> nabs-l mailing list > >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> nabs-l: > >> >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From samnelson1 at verizon.net Mon Sep 23 05:19:37 2013 From: samnelson1 at verizon.net (Sam Nelson) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 00:19:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] e-mail list for emotional support Message-ID: <002401ceb81c$8028ddc0$807a9940$@verizon.net> Hi everyone, I hope you're all having a good start to the year. Just wanted to share info about an e-mail list that I am owner of. It's a yahoo group and I hope that's ok that I'm posting about it here. It's called blind-mentalhealth. While the majority of people on the list are blind/visually impaired, sighted people are allowed on the list provided that they're dealing with mental health concerns they'd like support with. We're a very supportive resourceful bunch with a fair number of young adults in or just finished with school. A wide variety of issues are addressed including depression, anxiety, PTSD, dissociative disorders, adictions, self-injury, ETC. As well as other issues where one might want emotional support such as relationship challenges, the death of a loved one, finding work, school stress ETC. If you'd like to join or know someone who might be interested please send an e-mail to: Blind-mentalhealth-subscribe at yahoogroups.com And reply to the automated confirmation e-mail you receive. Thanks. Sam From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Mon Sep 23 15:03:46 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:03:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Suzanne , I am sorry to hear you are having such a difficult time using the clicker device. I think good communication with your professor is really the key here. Perhaps your professor can help you learn how to use the clicker device more affectively when taking the quiz. Also, you could see if your professor would be willing to read the quiz questions and answers a second time. This would probably give you another minute or two to answer the questions. If you are not able to find an affective way to use the clicker, then I would suggest asking your professor about making the quiz available online as he or she is conducting the quiz before going the paper route. If this option is available, you would be able to use your laptop computer to take the quiz when the questions become available to everyone else without creating any extra work for the professor. I personally think this would be the best alternative if you cannot use the clicker affectively provided that it is an option available to you. Hopefully you can work with your professor to find the best solution to this problem. Best of luck, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Suzanne Germano" Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:07 AM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class > I will check with her she give the answers immediately after the time runs > out to enter them. > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Arielle Silverman < > Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: > >> You could probably circle your answers on a printout and then come up >> and give your printout to the professor before she discusses the >> answers with the class. Would that work? >> Arielle >> >> On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> > We use turning point. I have the clicker set to the channel at the >> > start >> of >> > class and it is the only class I use a clicker for. >> > >> > For some reason when I answer the question (which is multiple choice) >> there >> > have been several time it end up on the change channel screen. >> > >> > I may ask for print outs and ask if I can just circle my answer. I >> > don't >> > know if she will think I will cheat since after every one enters their >> > answer she tells the correct one. >> > >> > I don't use readers or note-takers. I only use a lab aid in biology >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Anna Givens >> wrote: >> > >> >> Suzanne, >> >> What school do you go to and what clicker do you use? >> >> >> >> For one thing, there are accessible clickers. I don't know much about >> >> it, >> >> as I have never used one. And if this is the only class you're taking >> >> with >> >> clicker questions, you may not care to look into using one. But for >> >> future >> >> reference if you want, look into it. There is iClicker, and there is >> >> TurningPoint or Turning Technology. >> >> >> >> As for now, I would highly recommend talking to your professor about >> >> the >> >> questions you have missed. This happened to me. I kept missing them >> >> because there was so little time and I wasn't prepared to deal with >> that. >> >> So to get credit for the ones I missed, I just talked to him and >> >> explained >> >> the situation. I suggested a way to make up for the missed points, to >> >> ask >> >> me questions, either during their office time or just before or after >> >> lecture that were similar to the clicker questions, and then if I get >> >> it >> >> right, just add those points to grade somewhere or go back and change >> the >> >> points for missed clicker questions. Or I could do some sort of extra >> >> credit. That's what happened and it worked out fine. >> >> I hope you are in close contact with your professor. And I hope you >> >> are >> >> communicating all these accessibility situations to him/her. Often >> >> the >> >> professor will have a great alternative. As for the rest of the >> >> clicker >> >> questions throughout the rest of your current class, I would have >> someone >> >> help you with entering the responses on the clicker, as it is not fair >> to >> >> not be able to make sure your response is accurate and has been sent >> >> successfully. You should be able to enter the channel before class >> >> ever >> >> starts. I would enter the channel when I got to class that way it >> >> already >> >> knows what channel I was on and didn't ask me when I was trying to >> >> enter >> >> information. There may be a way to lock in the channel so you don't >> >> have >> >> to enter it, as someone suggested, u might want to look into that. >> >> That >> >> would certainly be the easiest thing, if that is the only class you >> >> are >> >> using it for. But if you are using it for more than one class, enter >> the >> >> channel before class starts and it should >> >> not be an issue when you are doing the question. Then like I said, >> for >> >> the question, have a TA or a reader from DSS or your own reader help >> >> you >> >> with seeing the screen. Of course if you are just doing multiple >> >> choice >> >> answers, it may not be a big deal, but if you are entering numeric >> >> information, I think it's good to be able to double check the screen, >> and >> >> depending on which clicker your school uses, you will need help with >> >> entering the numeric info. I would suggest not using a student next >> >> to >> >> you >> >> to help you with it though, as these questions typically only give a >> very >> >> short time period to answer, and each student needs that limited time >> >> to >> >> figure out the answer and enter it for themselves. >> >> >> >> As far as getting access to the actual question, you could have your >> >> professor print out the question and give it to you in large font >> >> every >> >> day >> >> when he puts it up on the board. Sit in front so if they forget, you >> can >> >> raise your hand or whatever to remind them to give it to you. If they >> >> forget to print it out for you, they either will just use the >> >> questions >> >> as >> >> review and not give anyone points for that day or they will do >> >> something >> >> to >> >> let u get those missed points as they will be aware that it is not >> >> your >> >> fault that you missed it. I used to email my professors the day or >> >> morning before each class politely reminding them, towards the >> >> beginning >> >> of >> >> the semester. I think that might be a good option for you. Or you >> could >> >> possibly have them email it to you before class or something. Or you >> >> could >> >> use a reader for the question as well. >> >> One way to get around this is to have the clicker questions on an >> >> accessible website, which some schools do. I don't know how >> >> complicated >> >> of >> >> a process it is to set that up but if nothing else, you could suggest >> >> it >> >> to >> >> your professor for future reference. >> >> >> >> As for your lab. I think there have been some very good suggestions. >> >> One >> >> thing that always comes to mind is - Get a reader. Pay someone to >> >> describe >> >> something for you, you might be able to get someone from DSS to do >> >> this. >> >> The option that I personally would take however, is what Arielle >> >> said - >> >> do >> >> something that does not require sight. If my understanding of your >> >> assignment is correct, I don't know why you need to involve vision in >> >> it >> >> at >> >> all, unless you just want to. >> >> Working with another student is also something you could ask your >> teacher >> >> about I suppose. Good luck. And let us know what you decide. >> >> >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> >> >> On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Arielle Silverman >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I wonder if there is a way to lock the channel on the clicker so you >> >> > can't accidentally get kicked out of the channel you need to be in? >> >> > Arielle >> >> > >> >> > On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> >> >> Our clicker questions are every lecture and count toward our grade. >> >> >> She >> >> has >> >> >> read the questions out loud but quickly and they are biology >> >> >> genetics >> >> stuff >> >> >> so I usually need to reread and make sure I have all the data right >> >> before >> >> >> doing my punnet squares or come up with the answer. >> >> >> >> >> >> Most of the time the questions were not super long so I had time to >> >> reread >> >> >> and calculate. >> >> >> >> >> >> There have been several times I enter my answer and my screen says >> >> change >> >> >> channel? I need to get out magnifier which takes a few seconds to >> turn >> >> on >> >> >> then go through the menu on the clicker o make sure the channel is >> >> >> still >> >> >> right, get back to the place ot answer then answer. The channel is >> >> >> often >> >> >> wrong because it took my answer entry as my input for new channel. >> >> >> >> >> >> I have 2 days with no answers registered when got all four each day >> >> >> correct. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hello Suzanne, >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I am not sure if each college or university uses the clicker >> >> >>> questions >> >> in >> >> >>> the same manner, but I can describe how I have been able to use >> >> >>> them >> >> >>> while >> >> >>> attending a community college. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> The professor who uses the clicker questions only uses them for >> >> >>> review >> >> >>> questions and poll questions. Therefore, if a student is not able >> >> >>> to >> >> >>> participate, or does not wish to participate, it does not effect >> >> >>> their >> >> >>> grade. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> In the past, the professor handed out the clickers during class. >> They >> >> >>> were >> >> >>> not all that complicated as they had a layout similar to a >> >> >>> telephone >> >> >>> keypad. However, this semester students can use either a cell >> >> >>> phone >> >> >>> to >> >> >>> text >> >> >>> the answer, or log into the survey website with their laptop >> >> >>> computers. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> In either case, the professor reads both the question and the >> answers >> >> >>> aloud so I can follow along with what the rest of the class is >> doing. >> >> >>> When >> >> >>> the professor used the clickers, all I had to do was press the >> button >> >> >>> that >> >> >>> corresponded with the answer while pointing it in the direction of >> my >> >> >>> professor. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I do not know if every school uses the clickers in this same >> >> >>> manner, >> >> but >> >> >>> this is how I was able to deal with the situation. Alternative >> >> >>> methods >> >> >>> may >> >> >>> be to ask a student sitting next to you to read the question and >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> answers, or perhaps a reader from the disabilities office if they >> >> provide >> >> >>> such a service. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Even though I have had usable vision for most of my life, I have >> >> >>> found >> >> >>> non-visual techniques to be the most effective and efficient for >> >> >>> me. >> >> >>> Perhaps you may wish to give some of them a try. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Warm regards, >> >> >>> Elizabeth >> >> >>> >> >> >>> ------------------------------**-------------------- >> >> >>> From: "Suzanne Germano" >> >> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:03 PM >> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology >> class >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have >> >> >>> to >> >> >>>> observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the >> >> >>>> experiment. An example that one person is doing is what >> >> >>>> percentage >> >> >>>> of >> >> >>>> time >> >> >>>> do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me >> >> >>>> somewhere >> >> >>>> and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find >> the >> >> >>>> best >> >> >>>> solution to be? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv >> >> >>>> to >> >> >>>> see >> >> >>>> the >> >> >>>> board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough. >> >> >>>> And >> >> >>>> there >> >> >>>> have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode >> >> >>>> when >> >> I >> >> >>>> select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the >> >> >>>> buttons. >> I >> >> >>>> have >> >> >>>> to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of >> >> change >> >> >>>> channel mode by the time I fix it time is up. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Suzanne >> >> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> >>>> for >> >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> >> >>>> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com< >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> > >> >> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org< >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> >> >>> nabs-l: >> >> >>> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> > > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> >> for >> >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> > for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> > >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 15:25:29 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:25:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Does VR cover DC schools? In-Reply-To: <0D4B9805-64D0-4D48-BB98-3A2F14ADD51C@gmail.com> References: <5D3EAF58-1288-4213-9313-62848BE10E88@yahoo.com> <0D4B9805-64D0-4D48-BB98-3A2F14ADD51C@gmail.com> Message-ID: The ssuggestions given so far are good ones. Overall, I think you really need to just ask your councelor. I will correct one statement that will most likely be false. I can't totally varify as North Carolina's rules are going to be different from other states including mine, but I have a hard time buying that North Carolina VR will totally say no to sending you out of state. Ultimately, that boils down to consumer choice, and restricting your college choices when sighted students or students not in the rehab system can go wherever they want would be discriminatory. They might not give you as much funding, and that is where the suggestions relating to switching residency to Maryland or Virginia come into play, but as far as refusing to pay at all I don't think they could legally get away with that. It is really interesting to see how different systems work. In Ohio, for example, we are supposed to start at community colleges by the VR's standards. If you go to the area community college close to where you live they'll pretty much cover your tuition, books, everything. You can choose to go somewhere else, but the state VR services will only give you tuition assistance in the amount they would pay for you to go to that community college. I believe they give you a little more after two years because at that point you technically shouldn't be able to continue at a community college, assuming you've taken a full load and passed everything, but I don't know how much more that is. My beef with this is that for people like me in programs with practicums, clinicals, or internships that start in the second year, going to a 4-year university right after high school makes more sense, and is actually more cost effective because you can get in and out in 4 years without paying extra for the community college beforehand. Not all programs have degrees at the associate level either, but no rehab system is perfect I guess. On 9/22/13, Jewel wrote: > You can also ask the school you want to go to about out-of-state tuition > waivers. The university Iam going to transfer to said they will likely waive > out-of-state tuition for me as long as Ikeep up my good GPA and apply for > the waiver. But this also is because I will be going into a program they are > actively recruiting for and I fit their "profile" of a desireable student. I > am not trying to brag; I say it to suggest that you could possibly qualify > for a waiver if you show the university how your attendance will benefit > them. This may be in a similar way I am or in another way but you should > think about why you want to go to this school and how you will be an asset. > Just something to think about. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 22, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Misty Dawn Bradley >> wrote: >> >> Usually, you have to live in that state for at least 12 consecutive months >> to be considered as an in-state resident for college tuition purposes. I >> think it depends on VR, but they may be able to cover part of the tuition, >> but they will only give you the amount for in-state in NC if you go to >> school out of state, because NC vocational rehab has a maximum amount that >> they can pay for school. I live in NC also, and that is what they did for >> me when I went out of state. They can only give you the same amount that >> they would give for an in-state school, so you would have to come up with >> a way to pay the difference, either through scholarships or through grants >> or loans. However, if you moved to Washington, DC to the state the school >> is in, either Virginia or Maryland, and lived there for at least 12 months >> without going to school, then you would be considered a resident of that >> state rather than of NC for tuition purposes to get in-state tuition for >> that college you want to go to, although I think it differs from state to >> state about how they help with college. Perhaps you can look up the >> website for the state that the school you want to attend is located in >> (probably Virginia or Maryland depending on where in DC it is) and find >> out about the programs they have for helping individuals with attending >> school or look up their number and speak with them to find out about how >> long you would have to wait and what their procedures are. >> Hth, >> Misty >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi Pompey >> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:00 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Does VR cover DC schools? >> >> Hello, I am in college in NC and VR is paying for it. I know they will >> fully pay for public colleges/universitiesin the state I live in. >> >> Just for clarification, does VR cover schools in Washington DC? >> >> Thank you, >> >> PS- does anyone know how long you have to be a resident in a state before >> VR will pay for your college tuition? >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From sgermano at asu.edu Mon Sep 23 16:19:45 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:19:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's actually the clicker not my understanding of how to use it. My daughter said they do that sometimes just switch to change channel mode out of the blue. She said it happened to her and her friends all the time. The class is given 45 seconds. I did ask if she could make it longer for questions that were extremely long to read. she said she would do that. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > Hello Suzanne , > > I am sorry to hear you are having such a difficult time using the clicker > device. I think good communication with your professor is really the key > here. > > Perhaps your professor can help you learn how to use the clicker device > more affectively when taking the quiz. Also, you could see if your > professor would be willing to read the quiz questions and answers a second > time. This would probably give you another minute or two to answer the > questions. > > If you are not able to find an affective way to use the clicker, then I > would suggest asking your professor about making the quiz available online > as he or she is conducting the quiz before going the paper route. If this > option is available, you would be able to use your laptop computer to take > the quiz when the questions become available to everyone else without > creating any extra work for the professor. I personally think this would be > the best alternative if you cannot use the clicker affectively provided > that it is an option available to you. > > Hopefully you can work with your professor to find the best solution to > this problem. > > Best of luck, > Elizabeth > > > > ------------------------------**-------------------- > From: "Suzanne Germano" > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:07 AM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class > > I will check with her she give the answers immediately after the time runs >> out to enter them. >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Arielle Silverman < >> Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote: >> >> You could probably circle your answers on a printout and then come up >>> and give your printout to the professor before she discusses the >>> answers with the class. Would that work? >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: >>> > We use turning point. I have the clicker set to the channel at the > >>> start >>> of >>> > class and it is the only class I use a clicker for. >>> > >>> > For some reason when I answer the question (which is multiple choice) >>> there >>> > have been several time it end up on the change channel screen. >>> > >>> > I may ask for print outs and ask if I can just circle my answer. I > >>> don't >>> > know if she will think I will cheat since after every one enters their >>> > answer she tells the correct one. >>> > >>> > I don't use readers or note-takers. I only use a lab aid in biology >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Anna Givens >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Suzanne, >>> >> What school do you go to and what clicker do you use? >>> >> >>> >> For one thing, there are accessible clickers. I don't know much about >>> >> it, >>> >> as I have never used one. And if this is the only class you're taking >>> >> with >>> >> clicker questions, you may not care to look into using one. But for >>> >> future >>> >> reference if you want, look into it. There is iClicker, and there is >>> >> TurningPoint or Turning Technology. >>> >> >>> >> As for now, I would highly recommend talking to your professor about >>> >> the >>> >> questions you have missed. This happened to me. I kept missing them >>> >> because there was so little time and I wasn't prepared to deal with >>> that. >>> >> So to get credit for the ones I missed, I just talked to him and >>> >> explained >>> >> the situation. I suggested a way to make up for the missed points, to >>> >> ask >>> >> me questions, either during their office time or just before or after >>> >> lecture that were similar to the clicker questions, and then if I get >>> >> it >>> >> right, just add those points to grade somewhere or go back and change >>> the >>> >> points for missed clicker questions. Or I could do some sort of extra >>> >> credit. That's what happened and it worked out fine. >>> >> I hope you are in close contact with your professor. And I hope you >>> >> are >>> >> communicating all these accessibility situations to him/her. Often >>> >> the >>> >> professor will have a great alternative. As for the rest of the >> >>> clicker >>> >> questions throughout the rest of your current class, I would have >>> someone >>> >> help you with entering the responses on the clicker, as it is not fair >>> to >>> >> not be able to make sure your response is accurate and has been sent >>> >> successfully. You should be able to enter the channel before class >>> >> ever >>> >> starts. I would enter the channel when I got to class that way it >>> >> already >>> >> knows what channel I was on and didn't ask me when I was trying to >> >>> enter >>> >> information. There may be a way to lock in the channel so you don't >>> >> have >>> >> to enter it, as someone suggested, u might want to look into that. >> >>> That >>> >> would certainly be the easiest thing, if that is the only class you >>> >> are >>> >> using it for. But if you are using it for more than one class, enter >>> the >>> >> channel before class starts and it should >>> >> not be an issue when you are doing the question. Then like I said, >>> for >>> >> the question, have a TA or a reader from DSS or your own reader help >>> >> you >>> >> with seeing the screen. Of course if you are just doing multiple >> >>> choice >>> >> answers, it may not be a big deal, but if you are entering numeric >>> >> information, I think it's good to be able to double check the screen, >>> and >>> >> depending on which clicker your school uses, you will need help with >>> >> entering the numeric info. I would suggest not using a student next >>> >> to >>> >> you >>> >> to help you with it though, as these questions typically only give a >>> very >>> >> short time period to answer, and each student needs that limited time >>> >> to >>> >> figure out the answer and enter it for themselves. >>> >> >>> >> As far as getting access to the actual question, you could have your >>> >> professor print out the question and give it to you in large font >> >>> every >>> >> day >>> >> when he puts it up on the board. Sit in front so if they forget, you >>> can >>> >> raise your hand or whatever to remind them to give it to you. If they >>> >> forget to print it out for you, they either will just use the >> >>> questions >>> >> as >>> >> review and not give anyone points for that day or they will do >> >>> something >>> >> to >>> >> let u get those missed points as they will be aware that it is not >> >>> your >>> >> fault that you missed it. I used to email my professors the day or >>> >> morning before each class politely reminding them, towards the >> >>> beginning >>> >> of >>> >> the semester. I think that might be a good option for you. Or you >>> could >>> >> possibly have them email it to you before class or something. Or you >>> >> could >>> >> use a reader for the question as well. >>> >> One way to get around this is to have the clicker questions on an >>> >> accessible website, which some schools do. I don't know how >> >>> complicated >>> >> of >>> >> a process it is to set that up but if nothing else, you could suggest >>> >> it >>> >> to >>> >> your professor for future reference. >>> >> >>> >> As for your lab. I think there have been some very good suggestions. >>> >> One >>> >> thing that always comes to mind is - Get a reader. Pay someone to >>> >> describe >>> >> something for you, you might be able to get someone from DSS to do >> >>> this. >>> >> The option that I personally would take however, is what Arielle >> >>> said - >>> >> do >>> >> something that does not require sight. If my understanding of your >>> >> assignment is correct, I don't know why you need to involve vision in >>> >> it >>> >> at >>> >> all, unless you just want to. >>> >> Working with another student is also something you could ask your >>> teacher >>> >> about I suppose. Good luck. And let us know what you decide. >>> >> >>> >> Anna E Givens >>> >> >>> >> On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Arielle Silverman >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > I wonder if there is a way to lock the channel on the clicker so you >>> >> > can't accidentally get kicked out of the channel you need to be in? >>> >> > Arielle >>> >> > >>> >> > On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: >>> >> >> Our clicker questions are every lecture and count toward our grade. >>> >> >> She >>> >> has >>> >> >> read the questions out loud but quickly and they are biology >> >> >>> genetics >>> >> stuff >>> >> >> so I usually need to reread and make sure I have all the data right >>> >> before >>> >> >> doing my punnet squares or come up with the answer. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Most of the time the questions were not super long so I had time to >>> >> reread >>> >> >> and calculate. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> There have been several times I enter my answer and my screen says >>> >> change >>> >> >> channel? I need to get out magnifier which takes a few seconds to >>> turn >>> >> on >>> >> >> then go through the menu on the clicker o make sure the channel is >>> >> >> still >>> >> >> right, get back to the place ot answer then answer. The channel is >>> >> >> often >>> >> >> wrong because it took my answer entry as my input for new channel. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I have 2 days with no answers registered when got all four each day >>> >> >> correct. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> Hello Suzanne, >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I am not sure if each college or university uses the clicker >>> >> >>> questions >>> >> in >>> >> >>> the same manner, but I can describe how I have been able to use >>> >> >>> them >>> >> >>> while >>> >> >>> attending a community college. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> The professor who uses the clicker questions only uses them for >>> >> >>> review >>> >> >>> questions and poll questions. Therefore, if a student is not able >>> >> >>> to >>> >> >>> participate, or does not wish to participate, it does not effect >>> >> >>> their >>> >> >>> grade. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> In the past, the professor handed out the clickers during class. >>> They >>> >> >>> were >>> >> >>> not all that complicated as they had a layout similar to a >> >>> >>> telephone >>> >> >>> keypad. However, this semester students can use either a cell >> >>> >>> phone >>> >> >>> to >>> >> >>> text >>> >> >>> the answer, or log into the survey website with their laptop >>> >> >>> computers. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> In either case, the professor reads both the question and the >>> answers >>> >> >>> aloud so I can follow along with what the rest of the class is >>> doing. >>> >> >>> When >>> >> >>> the professor used the clickers, all I had to do was press the >>> button >>> >> >>> that >>> >> >>> corresponded with the answer while pointing it in the direction of >>> my >>> >> >>> professor. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I do not know if every school uses the clickers in this same >> >>> >>> manner, >>> >> but >>> >> >>> this is how I was able to deal with the situation. Alternative >>> >> >>> methods >>> >> >>> may >>> >> >>> be to ask a student sitting next to you to read the question and >>> >> >>> the >>> >> >>> answers, or perhaps a reader from the disabilities office if they >>> >> provide >>> >> >>> such a service. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Even though I have had usable vision for most of my life, I have >>> >> >>> found >>> >> >>> non-visual techniques to be the most effective and efficient for >>> >> >>> me. >>> >> >>> Perhaps you may wish to give some of them a try. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> Warm regards, >>> >> >>> Elizabeth >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------****-------------------- >>> >> >>> From: "Suzanne Germano" >>> >> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:03 PM >>> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >>> >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology >>> class >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have >>> >> >>> to >>> >> >>>> observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the >>> >> >>>> experiment. An example that one person is doing is what >> >>>> >>> percentage >>> >> >>>> of >>> >> >>>> time >>> >> >>>> do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me >>> >> >>>> somewhere >>> >> >>>> and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find >>> the >>> >> >>>> best >>> >> >>>> solution to be? >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv >>> >> >>>> to >>> >> >>>> see >>> >> >>>> the >>> >> >>>> board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough. >>> >> >>>> And >>> >> >>>> there >>> >> >>>> have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode >>> >> >>>> when >>> >> I >>> >> >>>> select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the >> >>> >>>> buttons. >>> I >>> >> >>>> have >>> >> >>>> to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of >>> >> change >>> >> >>>> channel mode by the time I fix it time is up. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Suzanne >>> >> >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> < >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > >>> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> >>>> for >>> >> >>>> nabs-l: >>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> >> >>>> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com< >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >>> >> > >>> >> >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> < >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > >>> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> >> >>> nabs-l: >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**** >>> sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> >> sgermano%40asu.edu >>> > >>> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >>> >> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> >> for >>> >> >> nabs-l: >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> > >>> >> > ______________________________**_________________ >>> >> > nabs-l mailing list >>> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> > for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >> > >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> annajee82%40gmail.com >>> >> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> >>> > ______________________________**_________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> arielle71%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Sep 23 18:13:16 2013 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:13:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The Code of Help--A Great read and share as we acclamate to new environments as students and need to keep our confidence. Message-ID: This blog post was written by a blind woman who is a professional in the bay area. Please read it and share it. It is beautifully composed and could really b effective in peoples' understanding. http://lifeinbraille.wordpress.com/2013/09/20/the-code-of-help/ -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 13:41:46 2013 From: deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com (Deb Mendelsohn) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:41:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} Fwd: Join DOL and EEOC for a Twitter Chat to Mark 40th Anniversary of Rehab Act on Sept. 25 In-Reply-To: <1379962176300.158557.272653049.bulletin.subscriptions@subscriptions.dol.gov> References: <1379962176300.158557.272653049.bulletin.subscriptions@subscriptions.dol.gov> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "United States Department of Labor" < subscriptions at subscriptions.dol.gov> Date: Sep 23, 2013 1:51 PM Subject: Join DOL and EEOC for a Twitter Chat to Mark 40th Anniversary of Rehab Act on Sept. 25 To: ** [image: Twitter bird] The Rehabilitation Actwas codified on Sept. 26, 1973, creating the largest and most comprehensive training and vocational program for people with disabilities, and prohibiting discrimination against qualified workers with disabilities in programs supported by federal tax dollars. Join the department (@USDOL) and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (@EEOC_OFO) for a Twitter Chat this Wednesday, Sept. 25, from 1-2 p.m. EDT to commemorate the act’s 40th anniversary. You’ll have a chance to ask policy experts questions about the Rehabilitation Act and discuss its impact on you and your colleagues. Tweet using the hashtag #RehabActto join the discussion between 1 and 2 p.m. EDT on Wednesday, or to submit your questions in advance. You can also submit questions by emailing them to ODEP at dol.gov. We look forward to tweeting with you! *The following are some simple tips for making tweets accessible.* 1. Make sure your profile page includes alternative contact options, like an accessible "contact us" form or toll-free phone number, or an email link to somebody who can assist people with questions. 2. Let screen reader users know what to expect by including a short prefix before tweets that have photos [PIC], videos [VIDEO] or audio [AUDIO]. 3. Link back to pages with full captions or transcripts of the photo, video or audio. 4. To increase readability, place #hashtags or @mentions at the end of the tweet. 5. Avoid using unfamiliar or hard-to-pronounce acronyms when possible. If space allows, spell them out. 6. For multi-word hashtags, capitalize the first letters of each section of a compound word (#LikeThisExample). 7. If possible, test your tweet with assistive technology before posting it. More guidance on social media accessibility is available at www.HowTo.gov . Twitter is designed to reach a broad audience. Twitter in its native form, however, may not be fully accessible for everyone. If you do not already have a preferred Twitter client meeting your accessibility needs, one of the following free Twitter clients/platforms may be able assist: • Android: Plume for Twitter • iOS: Official Twitter App • My Amaze multiple browser accessibility plug-in by Deque • TwInbox for Outlook ------------------------------ This email was sent to deb.mendelsohn at gmail.com using GovDelivery, on behalf of: United States Department of Labor · 200 Constitution Ave., NW · Washington, DC 20210 · 1-866-4-USA-DOL (1-866-487-2365) [image: Powered by GovDelivery] From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 15:04:46 2013 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:04:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience Message-ID: Hi all, I am wondering how people deal with having gaps in their resumes? I have heard that many employers judge by whether the applicant has had a steady work history. Due to the fact that I had to stay home with my daughter as a single mother, I have a gap of about 4 or 5 years in my resume, although I have some volunteer work that I did toward the end of it with AmeriCorps which I did put on my resume. I am also now in school and have been since 2012 working toward my associates in elementary education in order to transfer to a university to complete my bachelor degree in education. I am trying to apply for jobs to make ends meet while in school, and I am trying to figure out how to deal with and account for the gaps in my resume since graduating from high school in 2006. I am also running into the problem that most of the jobs advertised for and geared toward college students are highly visual jobs that require you to either drive or do a lot of visual things, such as dealing with inventory, organizing it by product number and size/color, and inputting data on shipments, etc. Otherwise, all other jobs require a lot of experience that I don’t have. How did you list members get around all of this, and what types of work did you do to make a living and support yourself while attending college? How did you obtain jobs if you had little or no experience in low-level jobs such as customer service, office administration, retail, and other jobs of this nature? My classes are all online, so potentially, I could do part-time or full-time work. I have heard of people doing volunteer work to get experience, which I have done in the fields of education/tutoring with AmeriCorps, but right now I need a job to pay rent, bills, food, and other monthly expenses, so, although volunteer work is good, I need something that I can live on as well as support my daughter. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance, Misty From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Sep 24 15:30:29 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:30:29 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have huge gaps in my resume. The most recent is 10 years out of the workforce. I am back in school now so I worry about the same thing. I graduated high school in 1982. I start college then but for various reason never finished. I am now finishing my BS and will graduate in Fall 2015. During these 10 years I stayed home with my daughter (My fiance worked and I receive SSDI) I was also fortunate to be able to pursue and passion of mine and compete nationally as a bodybuilder. So I worry also about big gaps. To your questions. I was always on SSI or SSDI while in school. Now I am trying to get into research and or internships to help my resume. Did you apply for financial aid? I was told in a Academic and professional success class for engineering transfers that it is better to have student loans than work during school because you can do research, internships, get involved in clubs and volunteering and all those things employers look for. There are many people who return to the workplace after choosing to be a stay home parent so if you just say you chose to be a full-time parent to you child I don't think they would look down on that. Suzanne On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > Hi all, > I am wondering how people deal with having gaps in their resumes? I have > heard that many employers judge by whether the applicant has had a steady > work history. Due to the fact that I had to stay home with my daughter as a > single mother, I have a gap of about 4 or 5 years in my resume, although I > have some volunteer work that I did toward the end of it with AmeriCorps > which I did put on my resume. I am also now in school and have been since > 2012 working toward my associates in elementary education in order to > transfer to a university to complete my bachelor degree in education. I am > trying to apply for jobs to make ends meet while in school, and I am trying > to figure out how to deal with and account for the gaps in my resume since > graduating from high school in 2006. > I am also running into the problem that most of the jobs advertised for > and geared toward college students are highly visual jobs that require you > to either drive or do a lot of visual things, such as dealing with > inventory, organizing it by product number and size/color, and inputting > data on shipments, etc. Otherwise, all other jobs require a lot of > experience that I don’t have. How did you list members get around all of > this, and what types of work did you do to make a living and support > yourself while attending college? How did you obtain jobs if you had little > or no experience in low-level jobs such as customer service, office > administration, retail, and other jobs of this nature? My classes are all > online, so potentially, I could do part-time or full-time work. I have > heard of people doing volunteer work to get experience, which I have done > in the fields of education/tutoring with AmeriCorps, but right now I need a > job to pay rent, bills, food, and other monthly expenses, so, although > volunteer work is good, I need something that I can live on as well as > support my daughter. > Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you in advance, > Misty > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 15:41:26 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:41:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401ceb93c$894c2c10$9be48430$@gmail.com> I was going to say the same thing; having stay at home parent on the resume should be okay, especially because you did so for only four or five years before returning to school. Try to see if any of your professors can help you find a job. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience I have huge gaps in my resume. The most recent is 10 years out of the workforce. I am back in school now so I worry about the same thing. I graduated high school in 1982. I start college then but for various reason never finished. I am now finishing my BS and will graduate in Fall 2015. During these 10 years I stayed home with my daughter (My fiance worked and I receive SSDI) I was also fortunate to be able to pursue and passion of mine and compete nationally as a bodybuilder. So I worry also about big gaps. To your questions. I was always on SSI or SSDI while in school. Now I am trying to get into research and or internships to help my resume. Did you apply for financial aid? I was told in a Academic and professional success class for engineering transfers that it is better to have student loans than work during school because you can do research, internships, get involved in clubs and volunteering and all those things employers look for. There are many people who return to the workplace after choosing to be a stay home parent so if you just say you chose to be a full-time parent to you child I don't think they would look down on that. Suzanne On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > Hi all, > I am wondering how people deal with having gaps in their resumes? I > have heard that many employers judge by whether the applicant has had > a steady work history. Due to the fact that I had to stay home with my > daughter as a single mother, I have a gap of about 4 or 5 years in my > resume, although I have some volunteer work that I did toward the end > of it with AmeriCorps which I did put on my resume. I am also now in > school and have been since > 2012 working toward my associates in elementary education in order to > transfer to a university to complete my bachelor degree in education. > I am trying to apply for jobs to make ends meet while in school, and I > am trying to figure out how to deal with and account for the gaps in > my resume since graduating from high school in 2006. > I am also running into the problem that most of the jobs advertised > for and geared toward college students are highly visual jobs that > require you to either drive or do a lot of visual things, such as > dealing with inventory, organizing it by product number and > size/color, and inputting data on shipments, etc. Otherwise, all other > jobs require a lot of experience that I don't have. How did you list > members get around all of this, and what types of work did you do to > make a living and support yourself while attending college? How did > you obtain jobs if you had little or no experience in low-level jobs > such as customer service, office administration, retail, and other > jobs of this nature? My classes are all online, so potentially, I > could do part-time or full-time work. I have heard of people doing > volunteer work to get experience, which I have done in the fields of > education/tutoring with AmeriCorps, but right now I need a job to pay > rent, bills, food, and other monthly expenses, so, although volunteer > work is good, I need something that I can live on as well as support my daughter. > Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you in advance, > Misty > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 16:17:33 2013 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:17:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to NoWork Experience In-Reply-To: <001401ceb93c$894c2c10$9be48430$@gmail.com> References: <001401ceb93c$894c2c10$9be48430$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Those are good suggestions. Thank you, Misty -----Original Message----- From: justin williams Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:41 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to NoWork Experience I was going to say the same thing; having stay at home parent on the resume should be okay, especially because you did so for only four or five years before returning to school. Try to see if any of your professors can help you find a job. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience I have huge gaps in my resume. The most recent is 10 years out of the workforce. I am back in school now so I worry about the same thing. I graduated high school in 1982. I start college then but for various reason never finished. I am now finishing my BS and will graduate in Fall 2015. During these 10 years I stayed home with my daughter (My fiance worked and I receive SSDI) I was also fortunate to be able to pursue and passion of mine and compete nationally as a bodybuilder. So I worry also about big gaps. To your questions. I was always on SSI or SSDI while in school. Now I am trying to get into research and or internships to help my resume. Did you apply for financial aid? I was told in a Academic and professional success class for engineering transfers that it is better to have student loans than work during school because you can do research, internships, get involved in clubs and volunteering and all those things employers look for. There are many people who return to the workplace after choosing to be a stay home parent so if you just say you chose to be a full-time parent to you child I don't think they would look down on that. Suzanne On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > Hi all, > I am wondering how people deal with having gaps in their resumes? I > have heard that many employers judge by whether the applicant has had > a steady work history. Due to the fact that I had to stay home with my > daughter as a single mother, I have a gap of about 4 or 5 years in my > resume, although I have some volunteer work that I did toward the end > of it with AmeriCorps which I did put on my resume. I am also now in > school and have been since > 2012 working toward my associates in elementary education in order to > transfer to a university to complete my bachelor degree in education. > I am trying to apply for jobs to make ends meet while in school, and I > am trying to figure out how to deal with and account for the gaps in > my resume since graduating from high school in 2006. > I am also running into the problem that most of the jobs advertised > for and geared toward college students are highly visual jobs that > require you to either drive or do a lot of visual things, such as > dealing with inventory, organizing it by product number and > size/color, and inputting data on shipments, etc. Otherwise, all other > jobs require a lot of experience that I don't have. How did you list > members get around all of this, and what types of work did you do to > make a living and support yourself while attending college? How did > you obtain jobs if you had little or no experience in low-level jobs > such as customer service, office administration, retail, and other > jobs of this nature? My classes are all online, so potentially, I > could do part-time or full-time work. I have heard of people doing > volunteer work to get experience, which I have done in the fields of > education/tutoring with AmeriCorps, but right now I need a job to pay > rent, bills, food, and other monthly expenses, so, although volunteer > work is good, I need something that I can live on as well as support my daughter. > Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you in advance, > Misty > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 16:52:24 2013 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:52:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1933FE86E79644CEBCE5BC9D8C93689A@MistyBradleyPC> Hi Suzanne, I have applied for financial aid and also receive SSI, but it is still difficult for more than one person to live on SSI, and it makes it difficult to qualify for apartments and even afford a decent apartment or even any of the cheapest apartments, and cosigners are hard to come by also. If I had a job, I would have enough for my daughter and I to live on as well as enough to hopefully qualify for an apartment without a cosigner and be able to afford the rent, as a majority of my income now goes toward the rent each month, and applying for housing has turned out to be a long waiting process. It may be better not to work, but I am not able to do a lot of clubs and extracurricular activities anyway due to having to be there for my daughter after school, so although I have tried to be as active as I can, I haven't really been able to do anything outside of my classes anyway, and child care is expensive, so I can't just pay someone to watch her while I do extracurricular activities, clubs, volunteering, etc. while I possibly could afford paying for after school care if I worked an actual job so that I would be able to work full time. I hope this helps to clarify things a little. Thank you for your suggestions. Misty -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience I have huge gaps in my resume. The most recent is 10 years out of the workforce. I am back in school now so I worry about the same thing. I graduated high school in 1982. I start college then but for various reason never finished. I am now finishing my BS and will graduate in Fall 2015. During these 10 years I stayed home with my daughter (My fiance worked and I receive SSDI) I was also fortunate to be able to pursue and passion of mine and compete nationally as a bodybuilder. So I worry also about big gaps. To your questions. I was always on SSI or SSDI while in school. Now I am trying to get into research and or internships to help my resume. Did you apply for financial aid? I was told in a Academic and professional success class for engineering transfers that it is better to have student loans than work during school because you can do research, internships, get involved in clubs and volunteering and all those things employers look for. There are many people who return to the workplace after choosing to be a stay home parent so if you just say you chose to be a full-time parent to you child I don't think they would look down on that. Suzanne On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > Hi all, > I am wondering how people deal with having gaps in their resumes? I have > heard that many employers judge by whether the applicant has had a steady > work history. Due to the fact that I had to stay home with my daughter as > a > single mother, I have a gap of about 4 or 5 years in my resume, although I > have some volunteer work that I did toward the end of it with AmeriCorps > which I did put on my resume. I am also now in school and have been since > 2012 working toward my associates in elementary education in order to > transfer to a university to complete my bachelor degree in education. I am > trying to apply for jobs to make ends meet while in school, and I am > trying > to figure out how to deal with and account for the gaps in my resume since > graduating from high school in 2006. > I am also running into the problem that most of the jobs advertised for > and geared toward college students are highly visual jobs that require you > to either drive or do a lot of visual things, such as dealing with > inventory, organizing it by product number and size/color, and inputting > data on shipments, etc. Otherwise, all other jobs require a lot of > experience that I don’t have. How did you list members get around all of > this, and what types of work did you do to make a living and support > yourself while attending college? How did you obtain jobs if you had > little > or no experience in low-level jobs such as customer service, office > administration, retail, and other jobs of this nature? My classes are all > online, so potentially, I could do part-time or full-time work. I have > heard of people doing volunteer work to get experience, which I have done > in the fields of education/tutoring with AmeriCorps, but right now I need > a > job to pay rent, bills, food, and other monthly expenses, so, although > volunteer work is good, I need something that I can live on as well as > support my daughter. > Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you in advance, > Misty > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Tue Sep 24 17:00:53 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:00:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Misty, I applaud you for being a successful single parent. I think this job requires a lot of hard work and patience. I would definitely encourage you to list the stills you have learned as a single parent on your resume. I think there are two different ways you could go about doing this. First, you could list your role as a single parent on your resume in the form of being a childcare provider. You could then highlight some of your achievements in this area. Alternatively, you could choose to use a functional resume instead of a chronological resume. When using this format, you list three or four key skill sets that are relevant for the job you are seeking, and then list specific examples of how you have demonstrated these skills through your work and volunteer experience. I have heard this type of resume works best for those who do not have much experience. Since you have experience as a single parent, and you are looking to go into elementary teaching, perhaps you may wish to find a job as a childcare provider. I would think daycare centers as well as private childcare services would serve as potential employment opportunities. You could try looking in either your school newspaper or local newspaper for these kinds of employment opportunities. In addition, I think you could advertise that you are seeking this kind of position as well. Also, you may wish to investigate what kinds of financial services your school offers to single parents. I know my school offers financial assistance to single parents in the form of helping out with tuition and childcare. Therefore, you may wish to see if your school offers a similar kind of program. I hope some of these ideas help you when creating your resume and seeking employment opportunities. Best of luck, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:04 AM To: "Jobs for the Blind" ; "NABS List" Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No WorkExperience > Hi all, > I am wondering how people deal with having gaps in their resumes? I have > heard that many employers judge by whether the applicant has had a steady > work history. Due to the fact that I had to stay home with my daughter as > a single mother, I have a gap of about 4 or 5 years in my resume, although > I have some volunteer work that I did toward the end of it with AmeriCorps > which I did put on my resume. I am also now in school and have been since > 2012 working toward my associates in elementary education in order to > transfer to a university to complete my bachelor degree in education. I am > trying to apply for jobs to make ends meet while in school, and I am > trying to figure out how to deal with and account for the gaps in my > resume since graduating from high school in 2006. > I am also running into the problem that most of the jobs advertised for > and geared toward college students are highly visual jobs that require you > to either drive or do a lot of visual things, such as dealing with > inventory, organizing it by product number and size/color, and inputting > data on shipments, etc. Otherwise, all other jobs require a lot of > experience that I don’t have. How did you list members get around all of > this, and what types of work did you do to make a living and support > yourself while attending college? How did you obtain jobs if you had > little or no experience in low-level jobs such as customer service, office > administration, retail, and other jobs of this nature? My classes are all > online, so potentially, I could do part-time or full-time work. I have > heard of people doing volunteer work to get experience, which I have done > in the fields of education/tutoring with AmeriCorps, but right now I need > a job to pay rent, bills, food, and other monthly expenses, so, although > volunteer work is good, I need something that I can live on as well as > support my daughter. > Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you in advance, > Misty > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 17:10:47 2013 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:10:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to NoWork Experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Elizabeth, Thank you for all of these ideas. The child care provider idea may work, because I also have some experience from volunteering tutoring children, and I also tutored adults that were learning English when I worked with AmeriCorps part-time. Thank you, Misty -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to NoWork Experience Hello Misty, I applaud you for being a successful single parent. I think this job requires a lot of hard work and patience. I would definitely encourage you to list the stills you have learned as a single parent on your resume. I think there are two different ways you could go about doing this. First, you could list your role as a single parent on your resume in the form of being a childcare provider. You could then highlight some of your achievements in this area. Alternatively, you could choose to use a functional resume instead of a chronological resume. When using this format, you list three or four key skill sets that are relevant for the job you are seeking, and then list specific examples of how you have demonstrated these skills through your work and volunteer experience. I have heard this type of resume works best for those who do not have much experience. Since you have experience as a single parent, and you are looking to go into elementary teaching, perhaps you may wish to find a job as a childcare provider. I would think daycare centers as well as private childcare services would serve as potential employment opportunities. You could try looking in either your school newspaper or local newspaper for these kinds of employment opportunities. In addition, I think you could advertise that you are seeking this kind of position as well. Also, you may wish to investigate what kinds of financial services your school offers to single parents. I know my school offers financial assistance to single parents in the form of helping out with tuition and childcare. Therefore, you may wish to see if your school offers a similar kind of program. I hope some of these ideas help you when creating your resume and seeking employment opportunities. Best of luck, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:04 AM To: "Jobs for the Blind" ; "NABS List" Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No WorkExperience > Hi all, > I am wondering how people deal with having gaps in their resumes? I have > heard that many employers judge by whether the applicant has had a steady > work history. Due to the fact that I had to stay home with my daughter as > a single mother, I have a gap of about 4 or 5 years in my resume, although > I have some volunteer work that I did toward the end of it with AmeriCorps > which I did put on my resume. I am also now in school and have been since > 2012 working toward my associates in elementary education in order to > transfer to a university to complete my bachelor degree in education. I am > trying to apply for jobs to make ends meet while in school, and I am > trying to figure out how to deal with and account for the gaps in my > resume since graduating from high school in 2006. > I am also running into the problem that most of the jobs advertised for > and geared toward college students are highly visual jobs that require you > to either drive or do a lot of visual things, such as dealing with > inventory, organizing it by product number and size/color, and inputting > data on shipments, etc. Otherwise, all other jobs require a lot of > experience that I don’t have. How did you list members get around all of > this, and what types of work did you do to make a living and support > yourself while attending college? How did you obtain jobs if you had > little or no experience in low-level jobs such as customer service, office > administration, retail, and other jobs of this nature? My classes are all > online, so potentially, I could do part-time or full-time work. I have > heard of people doing volunteer work to get experience, which I have done > in the fields of education/tutoring with AmeriCorps, but right now I need > a job to pay rent, bills, food, and other monthly expenses, so, although > volunteer work is good, I need something that I can live on as well as > support my daughter. > Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you in advance, > Misty > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From trillian551 at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 17:21:26 2013 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:21:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Misty and all, Misty, you are going to get a lot of different opinions about this, as everyone has a different preference. Resumes are lists of your achievements as well as highlighting your strengths. In that vein, you can simply list your job positions, for whatever the time period you'd like to encompass. Most jobs require a cover letter, or give you the option of including one. . The point of a cover letter, is to emphasize why you are the best candidate for a specific job. It gives the potential employer a sample of your writing skills, but also an insight that extends beyond bulletted points. All that is to say, that accounting for your resume gaps would probably be best done in your cover letters. Resumes should include experiences which have been supervised by others, or which are part of a larger goal, hence, while being a single parent has undoubtedly strengthened you and your ability to accomplish objectives, it won't be appropriate for most job resumes. If your college has a career center, or any type of career advisors, you should consult them in regards to resumes and cover letters. As far as actual jobs... It is an unfortunate fact that jobs which do not require the highest types of qualifications, tend to be very visual in nature. But, there are certainly clarical jobs, and customer service jobs you could get into. Also, have you thought of tutoring? Does your campus participate in programs like Jump Start? Have you tried to look for on-campus jobs? Have you tried contacting your department faculty on potential research assistance opportunities? It's a matter of being imaginative, and selling yourself to the point where employers realize what an asset you'll be and are willing to work with you to accomplish your job duties. When you are in the interview process, it might be a good idea to bring up potential concerns the employer might have as to how you would accomplish a specific duty, and a potential solution. I wish you the very best of luck. Feel free to contact me off list if you think I can be of any further help. Mary F On 9/24/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > Hello Misty, > > I applaud you for being a successful single parent. I think this job > requires a lot of hard work and patience. I would definitely encourage you > to list the stills you have learned as a single parent on your resume. > > I think there are two different ways you could go about doing this. First, > you could list your role as a single parent on your resume in the form of > being a childcare provider. You could then highlight some of your > achievements in this area. > > Alternatively, you could choose to use a functional resume instead of a > chronological resume. When using this format, you list three or four key > skill sets that are relevant for the job you are seeking, and then list > specific examples of how you have demonstrated these skills through your > work and volunteer experience. I have heard this type of resume works best > for those who do not have much experience. > > Since you have experience as a single parent, and you are looking to go into > elementary teaching, perhaps you may wish to find a job as a childcare > provider. I would think daycare centers as well as private childcare > services would serve as potential employment opportunities. You could try > looking in either your school newspaper or local newspaper for these kinds > of employment opportunities. In addition, I think you could advertise that > you are seeking this kind of position as well. > > Also, you may wish to investigate what kinds of financial services your > school offers to single parents. I know my school offers financial > assistance to single parents in the form of helping out with tuition and > childcare. Therefore, you may wish to see if your school offers a similar > kind of program. > > I hope some of these ideas help you when creating your resume and seeking > employment opportunities. > > Best of luck, > Elizabeth > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:04 AM > To: "Jobs for the Blind" ; "NABS List" > Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No > WorkExperience > >> Hi all, >> I am wondering how people deal with having gaps in their resumes? I have >> heard that many employers judge by whether the applicant has had a steady >> work history. Due to the fact that I had to stay home with my daughter as >> a single mother, I have a gap of about 4 or 5 years in my resume, although >> >> I have some volunteer work that I did toward the end of it with AmeriCorps >> >> which I did put on my resume. I am also now in school and have been since >> 2012 working toward my associates in elementary education in order to >> transfer to a university to complete my bachelor degree in education. I am >> >> trying to apply for jobs to make ends meet while in school, and I am >> trying to figure out how to deal with and account for the gaps in my >> resume since graduating from high school in 2006. >> I am also running into the problem that most of the jobs advertised for >> and geared toward college students are highly visual jobs that require you >> >> to either drive or do a lot of visual things, such as dealing with >> inventory, organizing it by product number and size/color, and inputting >> data on shipments, etc. Otherwise, all other jobs require a lot of >> experience that I don’t have. How did you list members get around all of >> this, and what types of work did you do to make a living and support >> yourself while attending college? How did you obtain jobs if you had >> little or no experience in low-level jobs such as customer service, office >> >> administration, retail, and other jobs of this nature? My classes are all >> online, so potentially, I could do part-time or full-time work. I have >> heard of people doing volunteer work to get experience, which I have done >> in the fields of education/tutoring with AmeriCorps, but right now I need >> a job to pay rent, bills, food, and other monthly expenses, so, although >> volunteer work is good, I need something that I can live on as well as >> support my daughter. >> Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >> Thank you in advance, >> Misty >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." — Maya Angelou From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Sep 24 17:34:07 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:34:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience In-Reply-To: <1933FE86E79644CEBCE5BC9D8C93689A@MistyBradleyPC> References: <1933FE86E79644CEBCE5BC9D8C93689A@MistyBradleyPC> Message-ID: Don't forget with SSI anything over $65 they take away $1 for every $2 you earn. Not counting blind work expenes. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > Hi Suzanne, > I have applied for financial aid and also receive SSI, but it is still > difficult for more than one person to live on SSI, and it makes it > difficult to qualify for apartments and even afford a decent apartment or > even any of the cheapest apartments, and cosigners are hard to come by > also. If I had a job, I would have enough for my daughter and I to live on > as well as enough to hopefully qualify for an apartment without a cosigner > and be able to afford the rent, as a majority of my income now goes toward > the rent each month, and applying for housing has turned out to be a long > waiting process. > It may be better not to work, but I am not able to do a lot of clubs and > extracurricular activities anyway due to having to be there for my daughter > after school, so although I have tried to be as active as I can, I haven't > really been able to do anything outside of my classes anyway, and child > care is expensive, so I can't just pay someone to watch her while I do > extracurricular activities, clubs, volunteering, etc. while I possibly > could afford paying for after school care if I worked an actual job so that > I would be able to work full time. > I hope this helps to clarify things a little. > Thank you for your suggestions. > Misty > > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No > Work Experience > > I have huge gaps in my resume. The most recent is 10 years out of the > workforce. I am back in school now so I worry about the same thing. I > graduated high school in 1982. I start college then but for various reason > never finished. I am now finishing my BS and will graduate in Fall 2015. > During these 10 years I stayed home with my daughter (My fiance worked and > I receive SSDI) I was also fortunate to be able to pursue and passion of > mine and compete nationally as a bodybuilder. So I worry also about big > gaps. > > To your questions. I was always on SSI or SSDI while in school. > > Now I am trying to get into research and or internships to help my resume. > > Did you apply for financial aid? I was told in a Academic and professional > success class for engineering transfers that it is better to have student > loans than work during school because you can do research, internships, get > involved in clubs and volunteering and all those things employers look for. > > There are many people who return to the workplace after choosing to be a > stay home parent so if you just say you chose to be a full-time parent to > you child I don't think they would look down on that. > > Suzanne > > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Misty Dawn Bradley < > mistydbradley at gmail.com > >> wrote: >> > > Hi all, >> I am wondering how people deal with having gaps in their resumes? I have >> heard that many employers judge by whether the applicant has had a steady >> work history. Due to the fact that I had to stay home with my daughter as >> a >> single mother, I have a gap of about 4 or 5 years in my resume, although I >> have some volunteer work that I did toward the end of it with AmeriCorps >> which I did put on my resume. I am also now in school and have been since >> 2012 working toward my associates in elementary education in order to >> transfer to a university to complete my bachelor degree in education. I am >> trying to apply for jobs to make ends meet while in school, and I am >> trying >> to figure out how to deal with and account for the gaps in my resume since >> graduating from high school in 2006. >> I am also running into the problem that most of the jobs advertised for >> and geared toward college students are highly visual jobs that require you >> to either drive or do a lot of visual things, such as dealing with >> inventory, organizing it by product number and size/color, and inputting >> data on shipments, etc. Otherwise, all other jobs require a lot of >> experience that I don’t have. How did you list members get around all of >> this, and what types of work did you do to make a living and support >> yourself while attending college? How did you obtain jobs if you had >> little >> or no experience in low-level jobs such as customer service, office >> administration, retail, and other jobs of this nature? My classes are all >> online, so potentially, I could do part-time or full-time work. I have >> heard of people doing volunteer work to get experience, which I have done >> in the fields of education/tutoring with AmeriCorps, but right now I need >> a >> job to pay rent, bills, food, and other monthly expenses, so, although >> volunteer work is good, I need something that I can live on as well as >> support my daughter. >> Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >> Thank you in advance, >> Misty >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > mistydbradley%40gmail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 17:35:40 2013 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:35:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D61FB151EA3414E8589A21D25B1CB1E@MistyBradleyPC> Hi Mary, Thanks for all of the good ideas. I will try looking on campus also. Thank you, Misty -----Original Message----- From: Mary Fernandez Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience Hello Misty and all, Misty, you are going to get a lot of different opinions about this, as everyone has a different preference. Resumes are lists of your achievements as well as highlighting your strengths. In that vein, you can simply list your job positions, for whatever the time period you'd like to encompass. Most jobs require a cover letter, or give you the option of including one. . The point of a cover letter, is to emphasize why you are the best candidate for a specific job. It gives the potential employer a sample of your writing skills, but also an insight that extends beyond bulletted points. All that is to say, that accounting for your resume gaps would probably be best done in your cover letters. Resumes should include experiences which have been supervised by others, or which are part of a larger goal, hence, while being a single parent has undoubtedly strengthened you and your ability to accomplish objectives, it won't be appropriate for most job resumes. If your college has a career center, or any type of career advisors, you should consult them in regards to resumes and cover letters. As far as actual jobs... It is an unfortunate fact that jobs which do not require the highest types of qualifications, tend to be very visual in nature. But, there are certainly clarical jobs, and customer service jobs you could get into. Also, have you thought of tutoring? Does your campus participate in programs like Jump Start? Have you tried to look for on-campus jobs? Have you tried contacting your department faculty on potential research assistance opportunities? It's a matter of being imaginative, and selling yourself to the point where employers realize what an asset you'll be and are willing to work with you to accomplish your job duties. When you are in the interview process, it might be a good idea to bring up potential concerns the employer might have as to how you would accomplish a specific duty, and a potential solution. I wish you the very best of luck. Feel free to contact me off list if you think I can be of any further help. Mary F On 9/24/13, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > Hello Misty, > > I applaud you for being a successful single parent. I think this job > requires a lot of hard work and patience. I would definitely encourage you > to list the stills you have learned as a single parent on your resume. > > I think there are two different ways you could go about doing this. First, > you could list your role as a single parent on your resume in the form of > being a childcare provider. You could then highlight some of your > achievements in this area. > > Alternatively, you could choose to use a functional resume instead of a > chronological resume. When using this format, you list three or four key > skill sets that are relevant for the job you are seeking, and then list > specific examples of how you have demonstrated these skills through your > work and volunteer experience. I have heard this type of resume works best > for those who do not have much experience. > > Since you have experience as a single parent, and you are looking to go > into > elementary teaching, perhaps you may wish to find a job as a childcare > provider. I would think daycare centers as well as private childcare > services would serve as potential employment opportunities. You could try > looking in either your school newspaper or local newspaper for these kinds > of employment opportunities. In addition, I think you could advertise that > you are seeking this kind of position as well. > > Also, you may wish to investigate what kinds of financial services your > school offers to single parents. I know my school offers financial > assistance to single parents in the form of helping out with tuition and > childcare. Therefore, you may wish to see if your school offers a similar > kind of program. > > I hope some of these ideas help you when creating your resume and seeking > employment opportunities. > > Best of luck, > Elizabeth > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Misty Dawn Bradley" > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:04 AM > To: "Jobs for the Blind" ; "NABS List" > > Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No > WorkExperience > >> Hi all, >> I am wondering how people deal with having gaps in their resumes? I have >> heard that many employers judge by whether the applicant has had a steady >> work history. Due to the fact that I had to stay home with my daughter as >> a single mother, I have a gap of about 4 or 5 years in my resume, >> although >> >> I have some volunteer work that I did toward the end of it with >> AmeriCorps >> >> which I did put on my resume. I am also now in school and have been since >> 2012 working toward my associates in elementary education in order to >> transfer to a university to complete my bachelor degree in education. I >> am >> >> trying to apply for jobs to make ends meet while in school, and I am >> trying to figure out how to deal with and account for the gaps in my >> resume since graduating from high school in 2006. >> I am also running into the problem that most of the jobs advertised for >> and geared toward college students are highly visual jobs that require >> you >> >> to either drive or do a lot of visual things, such as dealing with >> inventory, organizing it by product number and size/color, and inputting >> data on shipments, etc. Otherwise, all other jobs require a lot of >> experience that I don’t have. How did you list members get around all of >> this, and what types of work did you do to make a living and support >> yourself while attending college? How did you obtain jobs if you had >> little or no experience in low-level jobs such as customer service, >> office >> >> administration, retail, and other jobs of this nature? My classes are all >> online, so potentially, I could do part-time or full-time work. I have >> heard of people doing volunteer work to get experience, which I have done >> in the fields of education/tutoring with AmeriCorps, but right now I need >> a job to pay rent, bills, food, and other monthly expenses, so, although >> volunteer work is good, I need something that I can live on as well as >> support my daughter. >> Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >> Thank you in advance, >> Misty >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." — Maya Angelou _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 17:39:13 2013 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:39:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience In-Reply-To: References: <1933FE86E79644CEBCE5BC9D8C93689A@MistyBradleyPC> Message-ID: Hi, As far as SSI, I wouldn't mind getting off of it as long Ias I am making enough while working. Also, they have the Ticket to Work program that I am looking into as well that gives a 9-month trial period with SSI as long as you go through an employment network and assign your ticket. I am not sure how successful the employment networks in this program are at helping SSI recipients get jobs, but I am thinking about looking into it myself. Misty -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience Don't forget with SSI anything over $65 they take away $1 for every $2 you earn. Not counting blind work expenes. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > Hi Suzanne, > I have applied for financial aid and also receive SSI, but it is still > difficult for more than one person to live on SSI, and it makes it > difficult to qualify for apartments and even afford a decent apartment or > even any of the cheapest apartments, and cosigners are hard to come by > also. If I had a job, I would have enough for my daughter and I to live on > as well as enough to hopefully qualify for an apartment without a cosigner > and be able to afford the rent, as a majority of my income now goes toward > the rent each month, and applying for housing has turned out to be a long > waiting process. > It may be better not to work, but I am not able to do a lot of clubs and > extracurricular activities anyway due to having to be there for my > daughter > after school, so although I have tried to be as active as I can, I haven't > really been able to do anything outside of my classes anyway, and child > care is expensive, so I can't just pay someone to watch her while I do > extracurricular activities, clubs, volunteering, etc. while I possibly > could afford paying for after school care if I worked an actual job so > that > I would be able to work full time. > I hope this helps to clarify things a little. > Thank you for your suggestions. > Misty > > > -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No > Work Experience > > I have huge gaps in my resume. The most recent is 10 years out of the > workforce. I am back in school now so I worry about the same thing. I > graduated high school in 1982. I start college then but for various reason > never finished. I am now finishing my BS and will graduate in Fall 2015. > During these 10 years I stayed home with my daughter (My fiance worked and > I receive SSDI) I was also fortunate to be able to pursue and passion of > mine and compete nationally as a bodybuilder. So I worry also about big > gaps. > > To your questions. I was always on SSI or SSDI while in school. > > Now I am trying to get into research and or internships to help my resume. > > Did you apply for financial aid? I was told in a Academic and > professional > success class for engineering transfers that it is better to have student > loans than work during school because you can do research, internships, > get > involved in clubs and volunteering and all those things employers look > for. > > There are many people who return to the workplace after choosing to be a > stay home parent so if you just say you chose to be a full-time parent to > you child I don't think they would look down on that. > > Suzanne > > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Misty Dawn Bradley < > mistydbradley at gmail.com > >> wrote: >> > > Hi all, >> I am wondering how people deal with having gaps in their resumes? I have >> heard that many employers judge by whether the applicant has had a steady >> work history. Due to the fact that I had to stay home with my daughter as >> a >> single mother, I have a gap of about 4 or 5 years in my resume, although >> I >> have some volunteer work that I did toward the end of it with AmeriCorps >> which I did put on my resume. I am also now in school and have been since >> 2012 working toward my associates in elementary education in order to >> transfer to a university to complete my bachelor degree in education. I >> am >> trying to apply for jobs to make ends meet while in school, and I am >> trying >> to figure out how to deal with and account for the gaps in my resume >> since >> graduating from high school in 2006. >> I am also running into the problem that most of the jobs advertised for >> and geared toward college students are highly visual jobs that require >> you >> to either drive or do a lot of visual things, such as dealing with >> inventory, organizing it by product number and size/color, and inputting >> data on shipments, etc. Otherwise, all other jobs require a lot of >> experience that I don’t have. How did you list members get around all of >> this, and what types of work did you do to make a living and support >> yourself while attending college? How did you obtain jobs if you had >> little >> or no experience in low-level jobs such as customer service, office >> administration, retail, and other jobs of this nature? My classes are all >> online, so potentially, I could do part-time or full-time work. I have >> heard of people doing volunteer work to get experience, which I have done >> in the fields of education/tutoring with AmeriCorps, but right now I need >> a >> job to pay rent, bills, food, and other monthly expenses, so, although >> volunteer work is good, I need something that I can live on as well as >> support my daughter. >> Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >> Thank you in advance, >> Misty >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> sgermano%40asu.edu >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > mistydbradley%40gmail.com > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From troubleclark at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 19:23:01 2013 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:23:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] using yahoo's fantasy football Message-ID: Dear Nabs, I am a member of a fantasy football league on yahoo. I was wondering if anyone has either used the yahoo fantasy football website or the iphone ap? Which way did you find easier when accessing your team and information? Sincerely, Nathan Clark From jsoro620 at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 22:31:43 2013 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:31:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <016001ceb975$d8c03370$8a409a50$@gmail.com> Hi Misty, There are a couple issues here. First there is the matter of the gaps in your resume. Then there is your family's general welfare. That sounds ridiculously obvious, but it's good to break down larger challenges into smaller ones so that you prevent yourself from becoming emotionally exhausted and/or desperate. I mention the desperation because it's at times that people feel the most inclined to take any job that presents itself. You take the job and run a risk of becoming even less happy than you were before, but it's hard to leave because a job, any job, starts feeling too secure to find something different. First I suggest confronting the issues with the basic sustaining of you and your daughter. Look into nearby churches, food banks and similar places where you can get food and other assistance. In some cities there is assistance to help pay for utilities. I don't want you to think I'm recommending these types of resources because I think you fall into any particular category. I'm recommending these resources so you can save what money you do have for things like transportation and unexpected expenses. Also, if you feel less pressure to provide for basic necessities, you're going to get halfway toward feeling like you need to find any port in a storm. As to the resume gaps, I wouldn't stress out about it too much. The gaps could be owed to any number of things, including full-time study. If you have a compelling resume with outstanding bullet points, you're going to make an impression no matter the gaps you think are holding you back. Yes, there is something to be said for the minimum wage jobs. I had a blind acquaintance in high school who found his way to working at Pizza Hut. That's not a job where blind people automatically think they can work. My little point is don't rule anything out, but my bigger point here is not so much the job but how you present yourself. You're a single mother raising a child, no easy feat. You're confident, and even if you may not feel that way sometimes, fake it till you make it. Half the battle is persuading an employer you would be a great asset to their business. So much of that is making a great impression when you meet in person. The Internet is great, but you may get to a point where you'll have to leave the house and do some cold visits. If you do go online, put together a resume and submit it to Monster.com. The NFB made it more accessible. We may as well utilize it. Check in with your school's career services office. You seem like a good writer. Tap that talent to proofread papers for fellow students. There are a number of things you can do to earn a little income. But, don't stress out too much about the gaps. They'll only be a hang-up if you allow them to be, and I know that sounds like mental therapy nonsense. I hate those little self-helpie tips, but remember every candidate has a weakness. The trick is putting that weakness in the context of a positive strength. You may have stayed home for several years, but as others have already pointed out, you probably have a lot more patience, can think better under pressure, can balance multiple priorities, etc. I hope that helps. Reach out if you need me to clarify any of my babble. Joe -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:05 AM To: Jobs for the Blind; NABS List Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience Hi all, I am wondering how people deal with having gaps in their resumes? I have heard that many employers judge by whether the applicant has had a steady work history. Due to the fact that I had to stay home with my daughter as a single mother, I have a gap of about 4 or 5 years in my resume, although I have some volunteer work that I did toward the end of it with AmeriCorps which I did put on my resume. I am also now in school and have been since 2012 working toward my associates in elementary education in order to transfer to a university to complete my bachelor degree in education. I am trying to apply for jobs to make ends meet while in school, and I am trying to figure out how to deal with and account for the gaps in my resume since graduating from high school in 2006. I am also running into the problem that most of the jobs advertised for and geared toward college students are highly visual jobs that require you to either drive or do a lot of visual things, such as dealing with inventory, organizing it by product number and size/color, and inputting data on shipments, etc. Otherwise, all other jobs require a lot of experience that I don’t have. How did you list members get around all of this, and what types of work did you do to make a living and support yourself while attending college? How did you obtain jobs if you had little or no experience in low-level jobs such as customer service, office administration, retail, and other jobs of this nature? My classes are all online, so potentially, I could do part-time or full-time work. I have heard of people doing volunteer work to get experience, which I have done in the fields of education/tutoring with AmeriCorps, but right now I need a job to pay rent, bills, food, and other monthly expenses, so, although volunteer work is good, I need something that I can live on as well as support my daughter. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance, Misty _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Sep 24 23:04:22 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:04:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience In-Reply-To: <016001ceb975$d8c03370$8a409a50$@gmail.com> References: <016001ceb975$d8c03370$8a409a50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003f01ceb97a$6926eb30$3b74c190$@gmail.com> Good advice; Listen to him! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:32 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience Hi Misty, There are a couple issues here. First there is the matter of the gaps in your resume. Then there is your family's general welfare. That sounds ridiculously obvious, but it's good to break down larger challenges into smaller ones so that you prevent yourself from becoming emotionally exhausted and/or desperate. I mention the desperation because it's at times that people feel the most inclined to take any job that presents itself. You take the job and run a risk of becoming even less happy than you were before, but it's hard to leave because a job, any job, starts feeling too secure to find something different. First I suggest confronting the issues with the basic sustaining of you and your daughter. Look into nearby churches, food banks and similar places where you can get food and other assistance. In some cities there is assistance to help pay for utilities. I don't want you to think I'm recommending these types of resources because I think you fall into any particular category. I'm recommending these resources so you can save what money you do have for things like transportation and unexpected expenses. Also, if you feel less pressure to provide for basic necessities, you're going to get halfway toward feeling like you need to find any port in a storm. As to the resume gaps, I wouldn't stress out about it too much. The gaps could be owed to any number of things, including full-time study. If you have a compelling resume with outstanding bullet points, you're going to make an impression no matter the gaps you think are holding you back. Yes, there is something to be said for the minimum wage jobs. I had a blind acquaintance in high school who found his way to working at Pizza Hut. That's not a job where blind people automatically think they can work. My little point is don't rule anything out, but my bigger point here is not so much the job but how you present yourself. You're a single mother raising a child, no easy feat. You're confident, and even if you may not feel that way sometimes, fake it till you make it. Half the battle is persuading an employer you would be a great asset to their business. So much of that is making a great impression when you meet in person. The Internet is great, but you may get to a point where you'll have to leave the house and do some cold visits. If you do go online, put together a resume and submit it to Monster.com. The NFB made it more accessible. We may as well utilize it. Check in with your school's career services office. You seem like a good writer. Tap that talent to proofread papers for fellow students. There are a number of things you can do to earn a little income. But, don't stress out too much about the gaps. They'll only be a hang-up if you allow them to be, and I know that sounds like mental therapy nonsense. I hate those little self-helpie tips, but remember every candidate has a weakness. The trick is putting that weakness in the context of a positive strength. You may have stayed home for several years, but as others have already pointed out, you probably have a lot more patience, can think better under pressure, can balance multiple priorities, etc. I hope that helps. Reach out if you need me to clarify any of my babble. Joe -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:05 AM To: Jobs for the Blind; NABS List Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing With Gaps In Resumes and Having Little to No Work Experience Hi all, I am wondering how people deal with having gaps in their resumes? I have heard that many employers judge by whether the applicant has had a steady work history. Due to the fact that I had to stay home with my daughter as a single mother, I have a gap of about 4 or 5 years in my resume, although I have some volunteer work that I did toward the end of it with AmeriCorps which I did put on my resume. I am also now in school and have been since 2012 working toward my associates in elementary education in order to transfer to a university to complete my bachelor degree in education. I am trying to apply for jobs to make ends meet while in school, and I am trying to figure out how to deal with and account for the gaps in my resume since graduating from high school in 2006. I am also running into the problem that most of the jobs advertised for and geared toward college students are highly visual jobs that require you to either drive or do a lot of visual things, such as dealing with inventory, organizing it by product number and size/color, and inputting data on shipments, etc. Otherwise, all other jobs require a lot of experience that I don’t have. How did you list members get around all of this, and what types of work did you do to make a living and support yourself while attending college? How did you obtain jobs if you had little or no experience in low-level jobs such as customer service, office administration, retail, and other jobs of this nature? My classes are all online, so potentially, I could do part-time or full-time work. I have heard of people doing volunteer work to get experience, which I have done in the fields of education/tutoring with AmeriCorps, but right now I need a job to pay rent, bills, food, and other monthly expenses, so, although volunteer work is good, I need something that I can live on as well as support my daughter. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance, Misty _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From ALewis at nfb.org Wed Sep 25 02:01:19 2013 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 02:01:19 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} Expressing our Concerns about WIA by joining DOL and EEOC for a Twitter Chat to Mark the 40th Anniversary of the Rehab Act on Sept. 25 Message-ID: <72D51A25A403F249A0FC4A94A0D9640D5CD88168@CH1PRD0710MB380.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> All: WE need to continue to openly express our concerns about the Section 511 language and the transfer of RSA currently being proposed in the reauthorization of the Workforce Investment Act (WIA). There is a twitter chat scheduled for tomorrow, and our plan is to put together a social media action around the opportunity listed below. We are finalizing the information and should have it ready tomorrow morning. Please be ready to distribute the information so that we can all post to Twitter and Facebook on Sept. 25 between 1-2PM Eastern. Thanks, Anil From: United States Department of Labor [mailto:subscriptions at subscriptions.dol.gov] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 2:50 PM To: Lewis, Anil Subject: Join DOL and EEOC for a Twitter Chat to Mark 40th Anniversary of Rehab Act on Sept. 25 [Twitter bird] The Rehabilitation Act was codified on Sept. 26, 1973, creating the largest and most comprehensive training and vocational program for people with disabilities, and prohibiting discrimination against qualified workers with disabilities in programs supported by federal tax dollars. Join the department (@USDOL) and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (@EEOC_OFO) for a Twitter Chat this Wednesday, Sept. 25, from 1-2 p.m. EDT to commemorate the act’s 40th anniversary. You’ll have a chance to ask policy experts questions about the Rehabilitation Act and discuss its impact on you and your colleagues. Tweet using the hashtag #RehabAct to join the discussion between 1 and 2 p.m. EDT on Wednesday, or to submit your questions in advance. You can also submit questions by emailing them to ODEP at dol.gov. We look forward to tweeting with you! The following are some simple tips for making tweets accessible. 1. Make sure your profile page includes alternative contact options, like an accessible "contact us" form or toll-free phone number, or an email link to somebody who can assist people with questions. 2. Let screen reader users know what to expect by including a short prefix before tweets that have photos [PIC], videos [VIDEO] or audio [AUDIO]. 3. Link back to pages with full captions or transcripts of the photo, video or audio. 4. To increase readability, place #hashtags or @mentions at the end of the tweet. 5. Avoid using unfamiliar or hard-to-pronounce acronyms when possible. If space allows, spell them out. 6. For multi-word hashtags, capitalize the first letters of each section of a compound word (#LikeThisExample). 7. If possible, test your tweet with assistive technology before posting it. More guidance on social media accessibility is available at www.HowTo.gov. Twitter is designed to reach a broad audience. Twitter in its native form, however, may not be fully accessible for everyone. If you do not already have a preferred Twitter client meeting your accessibility needs, one of the following free Twitter clients/platforms may be able assist: • Android: Plume for Twitter • iOS: Official Twitter App • My Amaze multiple browser accessibility plug-in by Deque • TwInbox for Outlook ________________________________ This email was sent to alewis at nfb.org using GovDelivery, on behalf of: United States Department of Labor · 200 Constitution Ave., NW · Washington, DC 20210 · 1-866-4-USA-DOL (1-866-487-2365) [Powered by GovDelivery] From ALewis at nfb.org Wed Sep 25 14:04:31 2013 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:04:31 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Fair Wages Social Media Action Alert Message-ID: <72D51A25A403F249A0FC4A94A0D9640D5CD887C8@CH1PRD0710MB380.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> All: The U.S. department of Labor (@USDOL) and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (@EEOC_OFO) is conducting a Twitter Chat today, Sept. 25, from 1-2 p.m. EDT to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the Rehabilitation Act. We must take advantage of this moment to express our concerns about Section 511 and the transfer of the Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) to the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL). Read our FIXWIA blog at: https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/fix-wia, and click the buttons to share the blog with your social media friends. Post the following document to your Facebook and use it to develop your own tweets. Remember that when posting to Twitter and Facebook, you should use both hash tags, #rehabact and #fixwia You should also follow @nfb_voice and retweet any relevant posts. Let’s use social media to FIXWIA. National Federation of the Blind Urges the U.S. Senate to Fix WIA (#fixwia) Factsheet on the reauthorization of the Workforce Investment Act (WIA) S. 1356 Summary of: https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/fix-wia Background on WIA: · S. 1356 reported favorably by the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee—may go to the Senate floor in the fall for a vote. · Many policymakers are supporting the reauthorization as written out of respect to HELP Committee Chairman Senator Harkin (D, IA) and HELP Committee Ranking Member Senator Alexander (R, TN)—but many disability organizations, the stakeholders, do not support the language of Section 511. Background on Section 14(c) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA): · Allows employers to obtain Special Wage Certificates that permit them to legally pay workers with disabilities less than the federal minimum wage. · Creates an environment of low expectations which has trapped over 400,000 people with disabilities in sheltered, segregated, subminimum-wage work environments. · Some workers are paid only pennies per hour. Section 511 as written: · Links the Rehabilitation Act, which was established to assist people with disabilities in obtaining competitive integrated employment, with the antiquated practices of Section 14(c) of the FLSA · Would hinder enforcement of the Olmstead (community integration) decision · Is opposed by a growing number of disability organizations—the stakeholders · If struck from WIA, disability organizations that currently support S. 1356 would still support it Transferring the Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) to the Department of Labor (DOL): · The expressed intent of the transfer is to “shake things up”—but no data, research, or cost/benefit analysis assesses the effects of the transfer. · The mission and strategies of DOL are necessarily distinct from those of the Department of Education (ED). · Most nondisabled persons receive their “rehabilitation services” through the education system— the RSA fills the gap within the ED by providing quality rehabilitation training and support services to maximize the employment potential of persons with disabilities. · DOL assesses individuals’ skills, may provide some training, and then uses a turnkey model to help find employment—this system is insufficient for people with disabilities because it can take months or years for an individual to adjust to his/her disability. · Rehabilitation professionals do not support the move of RSA from the ED to the DOL. Fix WIA: Members of the U.S. Senate should strike Section 511 from S. 1356, and the transfer of RSA to the Department of Labor should be suspended until sufficient research has been conducted. Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. Director of Advocacy and Policy “Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities” http://www.nfb.org/fairwages NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) (410) 685-5653 (FAX) Email: alewis at nfb.org Web: www.nfb.org twitter: @anillife From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Wed Sep 25 15:04:45 2013 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina Cruz) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:04:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Code of Help--A Great read and share as we acclamate to new environments as students and need to keep our confidence. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cindy, Thanks for sharing this well-written article! I was pleased to see how many times it has been shared on social network sites! On 9/23/13, Cindy Bennett wrote: > This blog post was written by a blind woman who is a professional in > the bay area. Please read it and share it. It is beautifully composed > and could really b effective in peoples' understanding. > > http://lifeinbraille.wordpress.com/2013/09/20/the-code-of-help/ > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > -- Anjelina From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Wed Sep 25 15:12:23 2013 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:12:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The Code of Help--A Great read and share as weacclamate to new environments as students and need to keep our confidence. Message-ID: Agreed; this is wonderful! Thanks so much for sharing, Cindy! ----- Original Message ----- From: Anjelina Cruz wrote: This blog post was written by a blind woman who is a professional in the bay area. Please read it and share it. It is beautifully composed and could really b effective in peoples' understanding. http://lifeinbraille.wordpress.com/2013/09/20/the-code-of-help/ -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%4 0gmail.com -- Anjelina _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40earthlink.net From lissa1531 at gmail.com Wed Sep 25 17:56:58 2013 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:56:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] The Code of Help--A Great read and share as we acclamate to new environments as students and need to keep our confidence. References: Message-ID: I agree. It was very well written. It was worht the read. Have a blessed day. Best, Melissa Green and Pj "There's a God that loves you, you matter, & you have value & purpose." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Bennett" To: "National Asociation of Blind Students" Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:13 PM Subject: [nabs-l] The Code of Help--A Great read and share as we acclamate to new environments as students and need to keep our confidence. This blog post was written by a blind woman who is a professional in the bay area. Please read it and share it. It is beautifully composed and could really b effective in peoples' understanding. http://lifeinbraille.wordpress.com/2013/09/20/the-code-of-help/ -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From david.b.andrews at state.mn.us Thu Sep 26 00:35:51 2013 From: david.b.andrews at state.mn.us (Andrews, David B (DEED)) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:35:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: The Kindle App for iOS: Get access to over one million books, magazines and newspapers! Message-ID: From: Tony Grima [mailto:agrima=nbp.org at mail1.atl31.mcdlv.net] On Behalf Of Tony Grima Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 1:07 PM To: Andrews, David B (DEED) Subject: The Kindle App for iOS: Get access to over one million books, magazines and newspapers! Description: Image removed by sender. NBP logo Description: Image removed by sender. ---------- Reading Kindle Books on Your iOS Device: A Quick Reference Guide Description: Image removed by sender. The Kindle App icon shows by Janet Ingber and the Kindle for iOS Team In Braille, eBraille, Word, or DAISY: $6 The free and accessible Kindle App from Amazon gives blind or visually impaired users the opportunity to purchase and listening to over one million Kindle books, newspapers, magazines, textbooks and PDFs on a beautiful, easy-to-use interface. In the first section, Using VoiceOver with the Accessible Amazon iOS Kindle (reprinted with permission of AccessWorld), author Janet Ingber gives step-by-step instructions for installing the Kindle app and purchasing, downloading, and reading content. The second section, Kindle for iOS Accessibility Gestures – Quick Reference Guide, lists andd describes the special gestures used in the Kindle Library and the Kindle Reader interface. Note: This booklet covers the free, accessible Kindle App that you can download and use on your iPhone or iPad. The Kindle devices sold by Amazon – the Kindle Fire, Kindle Paperwhite, etc. - are not accessible, which has brought on the lawsuit currently in the news. To order, visit: http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/KINDLE.html See all of our iPhone and iPad books and tutorials! ****** To order any books, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. 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Chairman Harkin was the Senate >author of the landmark Americans with Disabilities Act. > >“The enactment of the Americans with >Disabilities Act, 23 years ago, helped grant the >promise of equality to Americans with >disabilities. But today, more work remains to be >done to knock down one of the last remaining >barriers­the gap in workforce participation that >exists for millions of young adults,” Harkin >said. “A ripe opportunity exists for Congress, >the federal government, and the business >community to work hand-in-hand to make >competitive, integrated employment the first >choice for individuals with disabilities. The >goals of equality of opportunity, full >participation in American society, independent >living, and economic self-sufficiency are the >birthright of this young generation, and we must >work together to ensure this promise is met.” > >Chairman Harkin’s report identifies four key >areas of opportunity to improve support for >members of the ADA generation as they seek >competitive employment. These areas are: > >§ Increasing support for high school students >as they plan for their transition into the workforce > >§ Improving the transition of the ADA >generation as they enter postsecondary education and the labor market > >§ Changing the assumptions in disability >benefit programs that discourage young people with disabilities from working > >§ Leveraging employer demand, correcting >misconceptions about employing people with >disabilities, building strong pipelines from >school to the competitive workforce, and establishing supportive workplaces. > >Harkin also sets a high­but achievable­benchmark >for increasing the workforce participation of >young people with disabilities, to 250,000 by >2015. In 2011, Harkin worked with the U.S. >Chamber of Commerce to establish a goal of >increasing the workforce participation of people >with disabilities by more than 20 percent, from >4.9 million workers to six million workers by >2015. To accomplish these goals, Harkin >reiterates that that the public and private >sectors must work together to provide young >adults of the ‘ADA Generation’ with quality work >and internship experiences while they are still in school. > >Harkin also calls for enactment of several key >pieces of legislation­including a >reauthorization of the Workforce Investment Act­ >(WIA)­to create opportunities and incentives for >young people with disabilities to work. The HELP >Committee recently passed by a bipartisan vote >of 18-3 a WIA bill that reauthorizes the >Rehabilitation Act, including vocational >rehabilitation (VR) programs. Harkin worked on a >bipartisan basis to make improvements to the >Rehabilitation Act­Title V of WIA­aimed at >making sure that young people with disabilities >have increased preparation and opportunities for >competitive, integrated employment. The bill >requires state VR agencies, in conjunction with >local educational agencies, to make >“pre-employment transition services” available to students with disabilities. > >The bill will also require individuals under the >age of 24 with a significant disability to make >a serious attempt at competitive, integrated >employment­including getting pre-employment >transition services and utilizing VR >services­before he or she can consider working >at a segregated workshop or sheltered employment >setting. For individuals who are currently in >sheltered employment settings, the bill will >increase opportunities to move into competitive, >integrated employment by requiring ongoing >career counseling, information, and referrals >about programs that offer employment-related >services and supports. Updates to the bill also >focus on creating better alignment of government >programs at the national level that are focused >on employment and independent living for people with disabilities. > >Read Chairman Harkin’s >full report here. > >### > > >__._,_.___ >View >attachments on the web >Reply >via web post >Reply >to sender >Reply >to group >Start >a New Topic >Messages >in this topic (1) >Recent Activity: >Visit >Your Group >Visit us on the web at >http://FedAccessibility.org/ > >Yahoo! Groups > >Switch to: >Delivery Format: Traditional>Text-Only, >Delivery: Digest>Daily Digest • >Unsubscribe >• >Terms >of Use • >on the redesigned individual mail v1>Send us Feedback >. > >__,_._,___ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: High Expectations.pdf Type: application/mac-binhex40 Size: 583339 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: High Expectations.docx Type: application/mac-binhex40 Size: 625264 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dandrews at visi.com Fri Sep 27 00:35:03 2013 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:35:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Tactile Screen Protectors for iPhone 5s and 5c by SpeedDots. Message-ID: > >Announcing: Updated tactile Screen protectors for iPhone 5s and 5c >by SpeedDots > >We are pleased to announce, that we now have Tactile Screen >Protectors available for all iPad, iPhone, and iPod Touch devices. > >SpeedDots tactile screen protectors place a Braille mark on the >screen to denote the most commonly used controls, as well as the keyboard. >When used in conjunction with voiceover, our users have stated they >see an improvement in navigation, typing speed, and overall efficiency > >We have finished Modifying and testing our screen protectors to make >sure they work with the new iPhone 5S and 5C, which became available >on October 20th. >The same screen protector will work properly on the iPhone 5, 5c, and 5s. > >Please note: if you had an iPhone 5 and upgraded to a new 5S, you >will not be able to move your existing screen protector from the 5 >to the 5s. Due to the new fingerprint sensor, the home button is >slightly larger; and older screen protectors could cause it not to >function properly. > >The new Tactile Screen Protectors are available, immediately from >our web site: http://www.SpeedDots.com, as >well as all of our resellers. > >Want to be the first to know about new products? >Simply visit our homepage at: >Http://SpeedDots.com, and fill out the short >form to be added. >This list is low traffic, as we only post two or three times a year >when we add or modify our product line. > > > >Type with confidence >SpeedDots: The Makers of the Tactile Screen Protector >http://speeddots.com/ >Find us on twitter: >http://twitter.com/SpeedDots >Or, check us out on Facebook: >http://facebook.com/SpeedDots Amy Billman "Amy--SpeedDots Information" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Sep 27 01:24:28 2013 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (christopher nusbaum) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:24:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FYI: iOS 7 resources in iBlink radio Message-ID: <5133168974793443457@unknownmsgid> Hi all, Many of you have probably already seen this, but I am passing the information along to any people who haven't. As many of you know, iBlink radio is a very popular and useful app for iOS which allows you to listen to many blindness related podcasts, especially those regarding technology. With the release of iOS 7, they have added to their resource list by creating a page for iOS 7 resources which can be accessed from the home screen of iBlink radio. This page contains a number of helpful podcasts and articles which help to familiarize yourself with the new features and changes in iOS 7. To access these resources, simply click on the iBlink radio icon on your home screen (assuming that you have downloaded the app.) you are now on the main screen of iBlink radio. Scroll down the screen by swiping right and till you find an item called "iOS seven resources." Double tap on this and you will be taken to the page containing links to all the podcasts and articles. Double tapping on any one of these will either launch the built in podcast player in iBlink radio and begin to play the selected podcasts, or load the webpage which contains The desired article. This, I believe, is a very helpful resource and I thought I would pass it along to you as we work together to try to get used to iOS 7. Hope this helps, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Sep 27 19:44:02 2013 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:44:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fleksy keyboard for iOS Message-ID: Hello all, In case some people haven't heard about this I wanted to recommend the Fleksy app for iOS. It's a new text entry method for iOS devices, which works incredibly well in my opinion. It's definitely worth considering it before buying external keyboard, tactile screen protectors and things like that. I won't go into details about it here, but if you download it you will be able to read instructions etc. Hope this helps. IC From cape.amanda at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 15:10:25 2013 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:10:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Bibliography websites Message-ID: <128C8CBF-5552-48C6-A04B-13840EF4A48B@gmail.com> Hi everyone, Is there a bibliography site like bibme that is accessible with jaws? Amanda From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Sep 28 17:54:35 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:54:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bibliography websites Message-ID: <52471804.6750ec0a.4434.ffff8706@mx.google.com> Knightcite is a good website. It's accessible with the braillenote, so probably is with JAWS as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: cape.amanda at gmail.com To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list I have used easybib in high school and had no problem. -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:54 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bibliography websites Knightcite is a good website. It's accessible with the braillenote, so probably is with JAWS as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: cape.amanda at gmail.com To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list References: <52476b8c.897de00a.11b8.ffff835bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002101cebcb0$d219b850$764d28f0$@gmail.com> Miso, Interesting--I have always found EasyBib to be very inaccessible with JAWS. Are there any tricks you have found to use this Web site with a screen reader? I have also found BibMe (bibme.org) and Citation Machine (citationmachine.net) to be accessible. Chris Chris Nusbaum, Co-Chair Public Relations Committee Maryland Association of Blind Students Phone: (443) 547-2409 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 7:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bibliography websites I have used easybib in high school and had no problem. -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:54 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bibliography websites Knightcite is a good website. It's accessible with the braillenote, so probably is with JAWS as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: cape.amanda at gmail.com To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Hi Everyone, Our State Education Department is pushing our schools to support the one-to-one portable device concept. Meaning a device, such as a laptop, net book, or tablet for every student in the school. I'm on a committee that is tasked to make recommendations on which device or devices would best serve our blind and low vision students. I was hoping you wouldn't mind answering a few questions about your devices. 1. For those using a screen reader with their tablet, such as VoiceOver on the iPad, what tasks do you complete mostly; word processing, reading textbooks, reading pleasure books, surfing the Internet, email, texting, etc, 2. For those using some of the tablet's low vision settings, such as Inverted Colors, Text Size or Zoom on the iPad, what tasks are you completing mostly? 3. What tasks are you completing on your laptops? 4. Are the netbooks a good solution for those using a screen reader? I want to thank you in advance for your feedback and helping me better serve our blind and visually impaired students. Thank you, Robert From trising at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 29 15:11:49 2013 From: trising at sbcglobal.net (trising at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 11:11:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille display. Terri Wilcox From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Sep 29 22:15:09 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:15:09 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think the netbook is a good and cost-effective option for word processing, email and other essential computing needs. Braille display connectivity is also quite possible through the Netbook's USB port, so that's probably what I would recommend. Laptops or Macbooks with bluetooth capability would also be good candidates although they are more expensive. I would vote against using tablets as I don't think they have enough computing power to act as good writing devices for blind students by themselves. On 9/29/13, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: > If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille display. > > Terri Wilcox > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Sep 29 23:08:30 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:08:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004b01cebd68$d0f94a90$72ebdfb0$@gmail.com> Agreed. The tablets really are to small. I prefer a laptop with a full keyboard over the netbook, but the netbook works well. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school I think the netbook is a good and cost-effective option for word processing, email and other essential computing needs. Braille display connectivity is also quite possible through the Netbook's USB port, so that's probably what I would recommend. Laptops or Macbooks with bluetooth capability would also be good candidates although they are more expensive. I would vote against using tablets as I don't think they have enough computing power to act as good writing devices for blind students by themselves. On 9/29/13, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: > If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille display. > > Terri Wilcox > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From isaiahgwilcox at gmail.com Sun Sep 29 23:28:53 2013 From: isaiahgwilcox at gmail.com (Isaiah G. Wilcox) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:28:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible GMAT/LSAT Material Message-ID: <112CD905-756F-4771-A2DC-40315ECE7B0D@gmail.com> Greetings All, It has been a very long time since I've reached out to this list for advice, I hope everyone doing well. I am in the fun process of applying to Grad school for my MBA and possibly a dual degree in Law. I have searched and scoured the web but I cannot seem to find accessible GMAT or LSAT study material. If anyone can point me in the right direction to find such material I would be greatly appreciative. Regards, Isaiah G. Wilcox Treasurer, NFB of Georgia President, NFBGA Atlanta Chapter 315 W Ponce de Leon Ave Suite 1020 Decatur, GA 30030 Phone 404-371-1000 Fax 404-371-1002 Cell 404-291-7791 "Make It A Great Day!" From sgermano at asu.edu Mon Sep 30 00:01:02 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 17:01:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am a legally blind but at the high end 20/200. I can read regular print with nose against the book. I prefer a macbook. I use a cctv (magnilink pro) connected via 2 usb ports to see the board. It is so much better than using a monocular. I also use mac zoom. I am forced to use some windows programs like visual studio so I have windows on my macbook under parallels and use zoomtext when using windows. The built in magnifier in windows is completely useless. The magnilink can also be used for close work as a cctv. I brought it into my digital design class to do all the wiring on the bread board. For me the macbook 17 inch is much better than ipad or any other tablet due to the screen size. I can get much more visible once enlarged than on an iPad. I do also have an iPad and will read on it sometimes but I prefer the larger screen size. I am back in school after 17 year break from college so I used to have no technology just monocular, mini binoculars (which are much better than monocular due to increased field, and some books in large print. Suzanne On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Robert Miller wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Our State Education Department is pushing our schools to support the > one-to-one portable device concept. Meaning a device, such as a laptop, > net book, or tablet for every student in the school. I'm on a committee > that is tasked to make recommendations on which device or devices would > best serve our blind and low vision students. I was hoping you wouldn't > mind answering a few questions about your devices. > > 1. For those using a screen reader with their tablet, such as VoiceOver on > the iPad, what tasks do you complete mostly; word processing, reading > textbooks, reading pleasure books, surfing the Internet, email, texting, > etc, > > 2. For those using some of the tablet's low vision settings, such as > Inverted Colors, Text Size or Zoom on the iPad, what tasks are you > completing mostly? > > 3. What tasks are you completing on your laptops? > > 4. Are the netbooks a good solution for those using a screen reader? > > I want to thank you in advance for your feedback and helping me better > serve our blind and visually impaired students. > > Thank you, > > Robert > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 00:03:06 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 20:03:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: <004b01cebd68$d0f94a90$72ebdfb0$@gmail.com> References: <004b01cebd68$d0f94a90$72ebdfb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2570BCFD-F596-40E2-83D9-6C185AF6D60C@gmail.com> I just wanted to mention another problem with tablets, particularly the iPad. When typing in Braille, if you type something that is a contraction and pause too long, the contraction will expand. This means if you type bl, then pause to try to remember how to type the next letter, the bl will expand to become blind. This is a problem for students who do not have Braille code down perfectly yep. It will cause neverending frustration and may turn a child off Braille. I definitely recommend a netbook or laptop over a tablet for this reason. For those of us who already know the code, the contraction expansion is only a minor nuisance, but it can be very detrimental to the education of a student still learning the code. This expansion of contractions does not happen on a netbook or laptop. My two cents, Jewel Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:08 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > > Agreed. The tablets really are to small. I prefer a laptop with a full > keyboard over the netbook, but the netbook works well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school > > I think the netbook is a good and cost-effective option for word processing, > email and other essential computing needs. Braille display connectivity is > also quite possible through the Netbook's USB port, so that's probably what > I would recommend. Laptops or Macbooks with bluetooth capability would also > be good candidates although they are more expensive. I would vote against > using tablets as I don't think they have enough computing power to act as > good writing devices for blind students by themselves. > >> On 9/29/13, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >> If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille display. >> >> Terri Wilcox >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >> com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 00:10:33 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:10:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: <2570BCFD-F596-40E2-83D9-6C185AF6D60C@gmail.com> References: <004b01cebd68$d0f94a90$72ebdfb0$@gmail.com> <2570BCFD-F596-40E2-83D9-6C185AF6D60C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good point Jewel, although I don't know if contraction expansion is a tablet/Apple problem or if it has to do with the Bluetooth connection between display and computer. I experience it with my iPhone. It is probably best for beginning Braille students to learn via either hard-copy Brailling, a special Braille notetaker like an Apex, or both. However, if kids can learn Braille when they are young, they should be able to transition to mainstream computer technology without too much hassle, whether with a Braille display or not. Arielle On 9/29/13, Jewel wrote: > I just wanted to mention another problem with tablets, particularly the > iPad. When typing in Braille, if you type something that is a contraction > and pause too long, the contraction will expand. This means if you type bl, > then pause to try to remember how to type the next letter, the bl will > expand to become blind. This is a problem for students who do not have > Braille code down perfectly yep. It will cause neverending frustration and > may turn a child off Braille. I definitely recommend a netbook or laptop > over a tablet for this reason. For those of us who already know the code, > the contraction expansion is only a minor nuisance, but it can be very > detrimental to the education of a student still learning the code. This > expansion of contractions does not happen on a netbook or laptop. > My two cents, > Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:08 PM, "justin williams" >> wrote: >> >> Agreed. The tablets really are to small. I prefer a laptop with a full >> keyboard over the netbook, but the netbook works well. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >> Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school >> >> I think the netbook is a good and cost-effective option for word >> processing, >> email and other essential computing needs. Braille display connectivity >> is >> also quite possible through the Netbook's USB port, so that's probably >> what >> I would recommend. Laptops or Macbooks with bluetooth capability would >> also >> be good candidates although they are more expensive. I would vote against >> using tablets as I don't think they have enough computing power to act as >> good writing devices for blind students by themselves. >> >>> On 9/29/13, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>> If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille >>> display. >>> >>> Terri Wilcox >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>> com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jsoro620 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 00:21:42 2013 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 20:21:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: <004b01cebd68$d0f94a90$72ebdfb0$@gmail.com> References: <004b01cebd68$d0f94a90$72ebdfb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301cebd73$0a5f9cd0$1f1ed670$@gmail.com> I know people in the mainstream love to bash the Microsoft Surface, but I think it has a future and could be a good tablet option, especially the second generation which can be equipped with a dock and basically transformed into a full PC. I'm referring to the Pro version, not the RT. Anyway, it could be a good cross for a student between a tablet and a notebook, though much of this depends on the school's budget. I do agree that Braille is essential, and if a display could be added, that would make the combination that much more potent for the preparation of the student.--Joe -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of justin williams Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 7:09 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school Agreed. The tablets really are to small. I prefer a laptop with a full keyboard over the netbook, but the netbook works well. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school I think the netbook is a good and cost-effective option for word processing, email and other essential computing needs. Braille display connectivity is also quite possible through the Netbook's USB port, so that's probably what I would recommend. Laptops or Macbooks with bluetooth capability would also be good candidates although they are more expensive. I would vote against using tablets as I don't think they have enough computing power to act as good writing devices for blind students by themselves. On 9/29/13, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: > If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille display. > > Terri Wilcox > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 00:59:36 2013 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:59:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: <2570BCFD-F596-40E2-83D9-6C185AF6D60C@gmail.com> References: <004b01cebd68$d0f94a90$72ebdfb0$@gmail.com> <2570BCFD-F596-40E2-83D9-6C185AF6D60C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jewel, I know I'm veering very off-topic here but I just wanted to point out that, near as I can tell, iOS 7 has come with the fix to the glitch you are referring to. That's one of the few positive things I have to say about iOS 7 accessibility… But that's another story. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Jewel wrote: > > I just wanted to mention another problem with tablets, particularly the iPad. When typing in Braille, if you type something that is a contraction and pause too long, the contraction will expand. This means if you type bl, then pause to try to remember how to type the next letter, the bl will expand to become blind. This is a problem for students who do not have Braille code down perfectly yep. It will cause neverending frustration and may turn a child off Braille. I definitely recommend a netbook or laptop over a tablet for this reason. For those of us who already know the code, the contraction expansion is only a minor nuisance, but it can be very detrimental to the education of a student still learning the code. This expansion of contractions does not happen on a netbook or laptop. > My two cents, > Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:08 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >> >> Agreed. The tablets really are to small. I prefer a laptop with a full >> keyboard over the netbook, but the netbook works well. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >> Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school >> >> I think the netbook is a good and cost-effective option for word processing, >> email and other essential computing needs. Braille display connectivity is >> also quite possible through the Netbook's USB port, so that's probably what >> I would recommend. Laptops or Macbooks with bluetooth capability would also >> be good candidates although they are more expensive. I would vote against >> using tablets as I don't think they have enough computing power to act as >> good writing devices for blind students by themselves. >> >>> On 9/29/13, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>> If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille display. >>> >>> Terri Wilcox >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>> com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From maurice.mines at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 01:04:42 2013 From: maurice.mines at gmail.com (Maurice Mines) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:04:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Desire to learn, what's the best way to approach using this online learning system? Message-ID: <74646C61-6153-46AB-B6EE-F2EE5C6F14E7@gmail.com> Good evening, I'm involved in two online classes, and the online platform is desire to learn. Does anyone have any good suggestions on how one might deal with this online learning system better than the attempt to find it and somewhat seeking method? I am definitely a computer person, but the system is beginning to give me a headache. I'm told by the institution I attend that being a be gave them an award but I don't know when? I mumble to the point of doing this the old-fashioned way, which would probably make my state president somewhat happier. But I figured I'd ask on the list before resorting to using a reader. Any thoughts? Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Washington Clark County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791. school/work email address, Maurice.mines at PCC.edu. From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 01:10:35 2013 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:10:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cebd68$d0f94a90$72ebdfb0$@gmail.com> <2570BCFD-F596-40E2-83D9-6C185AF6D60C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <34C0F329-31D5-4518-A8A3-3E980078358A@gmail.com> Really? I will have to check that out! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Kirt wrote: > > Jewel, > I know I'm veering very off-topic here but I just wanted to point out that, near as I can tell, iOS 7 has come with the fix to the glitch you are referring to. That's one of the few positive things I have to say about iOS 7 accessibility… But that's another story. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Jewel wrote: >> >> I just wanted to mention another problem with tablets, particularly the iPad. When typing in Braille, if you type something that is a contraction and pause too long, the contraction will expand. This means if you type bl, then pause to try to remember how to type the next letter, the bl will expand to become blind. This is a problem for students who do not have Braille code down perfectly yep. It will cause neverending frustration and may turn a child off Braille. I definitely recommend a netbook or laptop over a tablet for this reason. For those of us who already know the code, the contraction expansion is only a minor nuisance, but it can be very detrimental to the education of a student still learning the code. This expansion of contractions does not happen on a netbook or laptop. >> My two cents, >> Jewel >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:08 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >>> >>> Agreed. The tablets really are to small. I prefer a laptop with a full >>> keyboard over the netbook, but the netbook works well. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >>> Silverman >>> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:15 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school >>> >>> I think the netbook is a good and cost-effective option for word processing, >>> email and other essential computing needs. Braille display connectivity is >>> also quite possible through the Netbook's USB port, so that's probably what >>> I would recommend. Laptops or Macbooks with bluetooth capability would also >>> be good candidates although they are more expensive. I would vote against >>> using tablets as I don't think they have enough computing power to act as >>> good writing devices for blind students by themselves. >>> >>>> On 9/29/13, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>> If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille display. >>>> >>>> Terri Wilcox >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>>> com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 01:33:27 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:33:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: <34C0F329-31D5-4518-A8A3-3E980078358A@gmail.com> References: <004b01cebd68$d0f94a90$72ebdfb0$@gmail.com> <2570BCFD-F596-40E2-83D9-6C185AF6D60C@gmail.com> <34C0F329-31D5-4518-A8A3-3E980078358A@gmail.com> Message-ID: No… I don't think this has been fixed. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Jewel wrote: > > Really? I will have to check that out! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Kirt wrote: >> >> Jewel, >> I know I'm veering very off-topic here but I just wanted to point out that, near as I can tell, iOS 7 has come with the fix to the glitch you are referring to. That's one of the few positive things I have to say about iOS 7 accessibility… But that's another story. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Jewel wrote: >>> >>> I just wanted to mention another problem with tablets, particularly the iPad. When typing in Braille, if you type something that is a contraction and pause too long, the contraction will expand. This means if you type bl, then pause to try to remember how to type the next letter, the bl will expand to become blind. This is a problem for students who do not have Braille code down perfectly yep. It will cause neverending frustration and may turn a child off Braille. I definitely recommend a netbook or laptop over a tablet for this reason. For those of us who already know the code, the contraction expansion is only a minor nuisance, but it can be very detrimental to the education of a student still learning the code. This expansion of contractions does not happen on a netbook or laptop. >>> My two cents, >>> Jewel >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:08 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >>>> >>>> Agreed. The tablets really are to small. I prefer a laptop with a full >>>> keyboard over the netbook, but the netbook works well. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >>>> Silverman >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:15 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school >>>> >>>> I think the netbook is a good and cost-effective option for word processing, >>>> email and other essential computing needs. Braille display connectivity is >>>> also quite possible through the Netbook's USB port, so that's probably what >>>> I would recommend. Laptops or Macbooks with bluetooth capability would also >>>> be good candidates although they are more expensive. I would vote against >>>> using tablets as I don't think they have enough computing power to act as >>>> good writing devices for blind students by themselves. >>>> >>>>> On 9/29/13, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>>> If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille display. >>>>> >>>>> Terri Wilcox >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>>>> com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From ajschwichow at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 01:43:18 2013 From: ajschwichow at gmail.com (Alexa Schwichow) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 20:43:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Desire to learn, what's the best way to approach using this online learning system? In-Reply-To: <74646C61-6153-46AB-B6EE-F2EE5C6F14E7@gmail.com> References: <74646C61-6153-46AB-B6EE-F2EE5C6F14E7@gmail.com> Message-ID: That online learning system is incredibly accessible. You should have no problem with it. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: > > Good evening, I'm involved in two online classes, and the online platform is desire to learn. Does anyone have any good suggestions on how one might deal with this online learning system better than the attempt to find it and somewhat seeking method? I am definitely a computer person, but the system is beginning to give me a headache. I'm told by the institution I attend that being a be gave them an award but I don't know when? I mumble to the point of doing this the old-fashioned way, which would probably make my state president somewhat happier. But I figured I'd ask on the list before resorting to using a reader. Any thoughts? > > Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Washington Clark County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791. school/work email address, Maurice.mines at PCC.edu. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ajschwichow%40gmail.com From maurice.mines at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 01:50:32 2013 From: maurice.mines at gmail.com (Maurice Mines) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:50:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Desire to learn, what's the best way to approach using this online learning system? In-Reply-To: References: <74646C61-6153-46AB-B6EE-F2EE5C6F14E7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20886101-DA2A-47D9-BF7A-963EEC66AC3B@gmail.com> good evening, I just realize that there is something that I probably should have mentioned. I am doing this on a Mac first of all. But I do have access to windows, I guess the biggest question I have is which version of Internet Explorer's I be attempting to use with this? Internet Explorer 10, or Internet explorer nine? Or should I stay with what I've been up to and to use which is Safari, the latest incarnation of the Apple browser. Warn them I really over thinking this? Any thoughts? Sincerely Maurice. On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Alexa Schwichow wrote: > That online learning system is incredibly accessible. You should have no problem with it. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: >> >> Good evening, I'm involved in two online classes, and the online platform is desire to learn. Does anyone have any good suggestions on how one might deal with this online learning system better than the attempt to find it and somewhat seeking method? I am definitely a computer person, but the system is beginning to give me a headache. I'm told by the institution I attend that being a be gave them an award but I don't know when? I mumble to the point of doing this the old-fashioned way, which would probably make my state president somewhat happier. But I figured I'd ask on the list before resorting to using a reader. Any thoughts? >> >> Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Washington Clark County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791. school/work email address, Maurice.mines at PCC.edu. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ajschwichow%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maurice.mines%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Mon Sep 30 02:00:45 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:00:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Desire to learn, what's the best way to approach using this online learning system? In-Reply-To: <74646C61-6153-46AB-B6EE-F2EE5C6F14E7@gmail.com> References: <74646C61-6153-46AB-B6EE-F2EE5C6F14E7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Maurice, What are you having trouble with when using the D2L online learning platform? I use JAWS and either Internet Explorer or Firefox depending on my mood and what I am trying to accomplish. In either case, navigating the website through the headings key seems to work well for me. There are also list of various elements on the page that you can choose to hide which may make it easier to navigate. there are a few new features I am still trying to get use to in the latest version, but for the most part, I have not encountered too many problems using this online learning platform. However, if you have some specific questions about how to use it, feel free to contact me off list, and I will do my best to help you. Warm regards, Elizabeth -------------- From: "Maurice Mines" Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 9:04 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list mailing list" Subject: [nabs-l] Desire to learn,what's the best way to approach using this online learning system? > Good evening, I'm involved in two online classes, and the online platform > is desire to learn. Does anyone have any good suggestions on how one might > deal with this online learning system better than the attempt to find it > and somewhat seeking method? I am definitely a computer person, but the > system is beginning to give me a headache. I'm told by the institution I > attend that being a be gave them an award but I don't know when? I mumble > to the point of doing this the old-fashioned way, which would probably > make my state president somewhat happier. But I figured I'd ask on the > list before resorting to using a reader. Any thoughts? > > Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of > Washington Clark County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791. school/work email > address, Maurice.mines at PCC.edu. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Mon Sep 30 02:07:28 2013 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:07:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Desire to learn, what's the best way to approach using this online learning system? In-Reply-To: <20886101-DA2A-47D9-BF7A-963EEC66AC3B@gmail.com> References: <74646C61-6153-46AB-B6EE-F2EE5C6F14E7@gmail.com> <20886101-DA2A-47D9-BF7A-963EEC66AC3B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Maurice, I was composing my previous message when this second message was posted. >From what I understand, you should be able to use D2L using a MAC computer, but since I do not use a MAC computer myself, I am not sure how you would go about doing it. However, I know it is listed as being compatible with the MAC environment. Sorry I cannot provide more help in using D2L on a MAC computer. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Maurice Mines" Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 9:50 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Desire to learn,what's the best way to approach using this online learning system? > good evening, I just realize that there is something that I probably > should have mentioned. I am doing this on a Mac first of all. But I do > have access to windows, I guess the biggest question I have is which > version of Internet Explorer's I be attempting to use with this? Internet > Explorer 10, or Internet explorer nine? Or should I stay with what I've > been up to and to use which is Safari, the latest incarnation of the Apple > browser. Warn them I really over thinking this? Any thoughts? > > Sincerely Maurice. > On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Alexa Schwichow > wrote: > >> That online learning system is incredibly accessible. You should have no >> problem with it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Maurice Mines >>> wrote: >>> >>> Good evening, I'm involved in two online classes, and the online >>> platform is desire to learn. Does anyone have any good suggestions on >>> how one might deal with this online learning system better than the >>> attempt to find it and somewhat seeking method? I am definitely a >>> computer person, but the system is beginning to give me a headache. I'm >>> told by the institution I attend that being a be gave them an award but >>> I don't know when? I mumble to the point of doing this the old-fashioned >>> way, which would probably make my state president somewhat happier. But >>> I figured I'd ask on the list before resorting to using a reader. Any >>> thoughts? >>> >>> Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of >>> Washington Clark County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791. school/work email >>> address, Maurice.mines at PCC.edu. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ajschwichow%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maurice.mines%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 02:35:07 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:35:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school Message-ID: <5248e388.c622ec0a.54cf.66e5@mx.google.com> I know it's freakishly expensive, but for me, nothing can compare to the braillenote apex. The built-in braille display means EVERYTHING to me. When taking notes, I can't listen to my teacher lecturing and have a computer chattering in my headphones. Having a braille display as part of the same device I type on is invaluable for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Gregory wrote: Really? I will have to check that out! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Kirt wrote: Jewel, I know I'm veering very off-topic here but I just wanted to point out that, near as I can tell, iOS 7 has come with the fix to the glitch you are referring to. That's one of the few positive things I have to say about iOS 7 accessibility… But that's another story. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Jewel wrote: I just wanted to mention another problem with tablets, particularly the iPad. When typing in Braille, if you type something that is a contraction and pause too long, the contraction will expand. This means if you type bl, then pause to try to remember how to type the next letter, the bl will expand to become blind. This is a problem for students who do not have Braille code down perfectly yep. It will cause neverending frustration and may turn a child off Braille. I definitely recommend a netbook or laptop over a tablet for this reason. For those of us who already know the code, the contraction expansion is only a minor nuisance, but it can be very detrimental to the education of a student still learning the code. This expansion of contractions does not happen on a netbook or laptop. My two cents, Jewel Sent from my iPhone On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:08 PM, "justin williams" wrote: Agreed. The tablets really are to small. I prefer a laptop with a full keyboard over the netbook, but the netbook works well. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school I think the netbook is a good and cost-effective option for word processing, email and other essential computing needs. Braille display connectivity is also quite possible through the Netbook's USB port, so that's probably what I would recommend. Laptops or Macbooks with bluetooth capability would also be good candidates although they are more expensive. I would vote against using tablets as I don't think they have enough computing power to act as good writing devices for blind students by themselves. On 9/29/13, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille display. Terri Wilcox _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia ms2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydud e%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 02:40:20 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:40:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: <5248e388.c622ec0a.54cf.66e5@mx.google.com> References: <5248e388.c622ec0a.54cf.66e5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2757BF09-F904-4D48-A868-774D33552254@gmail.com> Yeah but you can buy external braille display for cheaper. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 29, 2013, at 10:35 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > I know it's freakishly expensive, but for me, nothing can compare to the braillenote apex. The built-in braille display means EVERYTHING to me. When taking notes, I can't listen to my teacher lecturing and have a computer chattering in my headphones. Having a braille display as part of the same device I type on is invaluable for me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Josh Gregory To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:33:27 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school > > No… I don't think this has been fixed. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Jewel wrote: > > Really? I will have to check that out! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Kirt wrote: > > Jewel, > I know I'm veering very off-topic here but I just wanted to point out that, near as I can tell, iOS 7 has come with the fix to the glitch you are referring to. That's one of the few positive things I have to say about iOS 7 accessibility… But that's another story. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Jewel wrote: > > I just wanted to mention another problem with tablets, particularly the iPad. When typing in Braille, if you type something that is a contraction and pause too long, the contraction will expand. This means if you type bl, then pause to try to remember how to type the next letter, the bl will expand to become blind. This is a problem for students who do not have Braille code down perfectly yep. It will cause neverending frustration and may turn a child off Braille. I definitely recommend a netbook or laptop over a tablet for this reason. For those of us who already know the code, the contraction expansion is only a minor nuisance, but it can be very detrimental to the education of a student still learning the code. This expansion of contractions does not happen on a netbook or laptop. > My two cents, > Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:08 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > > Agreed. The tablets really are to small. I prefer a laptop with a full > keyboard over the netbook, but the netbook works well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school > > I think the netbook is a good and cost-effective option for word processing, > email and other essential computing needs. Braille display connectivity is > also quite possible through the Netbook's USB port, so that's probably what > I would recommend. Laptops or Macbooks with bluetooth capability would also > be good candidates although they are more expensive. I would vote against > using tablets as I don't think they have enough computing power to act as > good writing devices for blind students by themselves. > > On 9/29/13, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: > If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille display. > > Terri Wilcox > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail. > com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydud > e%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 > gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 02:46:48 2013 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:46:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: <2757BF09-F904-4D48-A868-774D33552254@gmail.com> References: <5248e388.c622ec0a.54cf.66e5@mx.google.com> <2757BF09-F904-4D48-A868-774D33552254@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009a01cebd87$4fc5c9c0$ef515d40$@gmail.com> Yeah, but you have to hook that to a laptop and carrying both take up more room. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh Gregory Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:40 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school Yeah but you can buy external braille display for cheaper. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 29, 2013, at 10:35 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > I know it's freakishly expensive, but for me, nothing can compare to the braillenote apex. The built-in braille display means EVERYTHING to me. When taking notes, I can't listen to my teacher lecturing and have a computer chattering in my headphones. Having a braille display as part of the same device I type on is invaluable for me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Josh Gregory To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school > > No… I don't think this has been fixed. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Jewel wrote: > > Really? I will have to check that out! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Kirt wrote: > > Jewel, > I know I'm veering very off-topic here but I just wanted to point out that, near as I can tell, iOS 7 has come with the fix to the glitch you are referring to. That's one of the few positive things I have to say about iOS 7 accessibility… But that's another story. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Jewel wrote: > > I just wanted to mention another problem with tablets, particularly the iPad. When typing in Braille, if you type something that is a contraction and pause too long, the contraction will expand. This means if you type bl, then pause to try to remember how to type the next letter, the bl will expand to become blind. This is a problem for students who do not have Braille code down perfectly yep. It will cause neverending frustration and may turn a child off Braille. I definitely recommend a netbook or laptop over a tablet for this reason. For those of us who already know the code, the contraction expansion is only a minor nuisance, but it can be very detrimental to the education of a student still learning the code. This expansion of contractions does not happen on a netbook or laptop. > My two cents, > Jewel > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:08 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > > Agreed. The tablets really are to small. I prefer a laptop with a > full keyboard over the netbook, but the netbook works well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school > > I think the netbook is a good and cost-effective option for word > processing, email and other essential computing needs. Braille display > connectivity is also quite possible through the Netbook's USB port, so > that's probably what I would recommend. Laptops or Macbooks with > bluetooth capability would also be good candidates although they are > more expensive. I would vote against using tablets as I don't think > they have enough computing power to act as good writing devices for blind students by themselves. > > On 9/29/13, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: > If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille display. > > Terri Wilcox > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail. > com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydud > e%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 > gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail > .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 03:03:57 2013 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:03:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: References: <004b01cebd68$d0f94a90$72ebdfb0$@gmail.com> <2570BCFD-F596-40E2-83D9-6C185AF6D60C@gmail.com> <34C0F329-31D5-4518-A8A3-3E980078358A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <412C5D36-C707-4DD8-AAEC-9A20E4309A11@gmail.com> Yes sir, it has. Turn off automatic translation under braille settings under voiceover and it's gone. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: > > No… I don't think this has been fixed. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Jewel wrote: >> >> Really? I will have to check that out! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Kirt wrote: >>> >>> Jewel, >>> I know I'm veering very off-topic here but I just wanted to point out that, near as I can tell, iOS 7 has come with the fix to the glitch you are referring to. That's one of the few positive things I have to say about iOS 7 accessibility… But that's another story. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Jewel wrote: >>>> >>>> I just wanted to mention another problem with tablets, particularly the iPad. When typing in Braille, if you type something that is a contraction and pause too long, the contraction will expand. This means if you type bl, then pause to try to remember how to type the next letter, the bl will expand to become blind. This is a problem for students who do not have Braille code down perfectly yep. It will cause neverending frustration and may turn a child off Braille. I definitely recommend a netbook or laptop over a tablet for this reason. For those of us who already know the code, the contraction expansion is only a minor nuisance, but it can be very detrimental to the education of a student still learning the code. This expansion of contractions does not happen on a netbook or laptop. >>>> My two cents, >>>> Jewel >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:08 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Agreed. The tablets really are to small. I prefer a laptop with a full >>>>> keyboard over the netbook, but the netbook works well. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >>>>> Silverman >>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:15 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school >>>>> >>>>> I think the netbook is a good and cost-effective option for word processing, >>>>> email and other essential computing needs. Braille display connectivity is >>>>> also quite possible through the Netbook's USB port, so that's probably what >>>>> I would recommend. Laptops or Macbooks with bluetooth capability would also >>>>> be good candidates although they are more expensive. I would vote against >>>>> using tablets as I don't think they have enough computing power to act as >>>>> good writing devices for blind students by themselves. >>>>> >>>>>> On 9/29/13, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>>>> If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille display. >>>>>> >>>>>> Terri Wilcox >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>>>>> com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From ajschwichow at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 03:18:02 2013 From: ajschwichow at gmail.com (Alexa Schwichow) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:18:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Desire to learn, what's the best way to approach using this online learning system? In-Reply-To: <20886101-DA2A-47D9-BF7A-963EEC66AC3B@gmail.com> References: <74646C61-6153-46AB-B6EE-F2EE5C6F14E7@gmail.com> <20886101-DA2A-47D9-BF7A-963EEC66AC3B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <990DAD3D-04EA-44F7-AE3F-2670617E7168@gmail.com> I use Internet Explorer 10 with it. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: > > good evening, I just realize that there is something that I probably should have mentioned. I am doing this on a Mac first of all. But I do have access to windows, I guess the biggest question I have is which version of Internet Explorer's I be attempting to use with this? Internet Explorer 10, or Internet explorer nine? Or should I stay with what I've been up to and to use which is Safari, the latest incarnation of the Apple browser. Warn them I really over thinking this? Any thoughts? > > Sincerely Maurice. >> On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Alexa Schwichow wrote: >> >> That online learning system is incredibly accessible. You should have no problem with it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: >>> >>> Good evening, I'm involved in two online classes, and the online platform is desire to learn. Does anyone have any good suggestions on how one might deal with this online learning system better than the attempt to find it and somewhat seeking method? I am definitely a computer person, but the system is beginning to give me a headache. I'm told by the institution I attend that being a be gave them an award but I don't know when? I mumble to the point of doing this the old-fashioned way, which would probably make my state president somewhat happier. But I figured I'd ask on the list before resorting to using a reader. Any thoughts? >>> >>> Sincerely Maurice, secretary national Federation of the blind of Washington Clark County chapter. Phone 360-524-0791. school/work email address, Maurice.mines at PCC.edu. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ajschwichow%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maurice.mines%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ajschwichow%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Mon Sep 30 04:10:29 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:10:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Message-ID: Hi all, this is helga. I just wanted to ask you, Do some of you use a BrailleNote Apex for college classes and assignments? If you do, Does the BrailleNote Apex has a compatible portable printer that I could purchase? And if it does, do you know which kind of printer, and where could I buy it? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions. Thanks so much and God bless! From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 04:19:06 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:19:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school In-Reply-To: <412C5D36-C707-4DD8-AAEC-9A20E4309A11@gmail.com> References: <004b01cebd68$d0f94a90$72ebdfb0$@gmail.com> <2570BCFD-F596-40E2-83D9-6C185AF6D60C@gmail.com> <34C0F329-31D5-4518-A8A3-3E980078358A@gmail.com> <412C5D36-C707-4DD8-AAEC-9A20E4309A11@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I agree with others; tablets are nice, but I primarily use them for texting, Skype, and checking email or the internet. I prefer using my laptop for heavy reasearch though, like for projects, as well as word processing and composing emails most of the time. I think netbooks are nice and portable, and I like how they have the capability to work with or without a braille display. I prefer my UltraBook to any netbook since it's thinness still makes it light, but it has a little more power to it, but it is more expensive than a netbook would be, and a netbook would certainly get the job done. As for inverting colors, I have some vision but have only needed to invert colors once IOS7 came out. This was because the new design made it difficult for me to see certain things, E.G I could no longer tell where the message window stops and the keyboard begins by looking at it without inverting the colors. I use voiceover so it's not a huge deal, but inverting the colors did help with contrast.. On 9/29/13, Kirt wrote: > Yes sir, it has. Turn off automatic translation under braille settings > under voiceover and it's gone. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Josh Gregory wrote: >> >> No… I don't think this has been fixed. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Jewel wrote: >>> >>> Really? I will have to check that out! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Kirt wrote: >>>> >>>> Jewel, >>>> I know I'm veering very off-topic here but I just wanted to point out >>>> that, near as I can tell, iOS 7 has come with the fix to the glitch you >>>> are referring to. That's one of the few positive things I have to say >>>> about iOS 7 accessibility… But that's another story. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 6:03 PM, Jewel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I just wanted to mention another problem with tablets, particularly the >>>>> iPad. When typing in Braille, if you type something that is a >>>>> contraction and pause too long, the contraction will expand. This means >>>>> if you type bl, then pause to try to remember how to type the next >>>>> letter, the bl will expand to become blind. This is a problem for >>>>> students who do not have Braille code down perfectly yep. It will cause >>>>> neverending frustration and may turn a child off Braille. I definitely >>>>> recommend a netbook or laptop over a tablet for this reason. For those >>>>> of us who already know the code, the contraction expansion is only a >>>>> minor nuisance, but it can be very detrimental to the education of a >>>>> student still learning the code. This expansion of contractions does >>>>> not happen on a netbook or laptop. >>>>> My two cents, >>>>> Jewel >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:08 PM, "justin williams" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Agreed. The tablets really are to small. I prefer a laptop with a >>>>>> full >>>>>> keyboard over the netbook, but the netbook works well. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >>>>>> Silverman >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:15 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Portable devices for school >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the netbook is a good and cost-effective option for word >>>>>> processing, >>>>>> email and other essential computing needs. Braille display >>>>>> connectivity is >>>>>> also quite possible through the Netbook's USB port, so that's probably >>>>>> what >>>>>> I would recommend. Laptops or Macbooks with bluetooth capability would >>>>>> also >>>>>> be good candidates although they are more expensive. I would vote >>>>>> against >>>>>> using tablets as I don't think they have enough computing power to act >>>>>> as >>>>>> good writing devices for blind students by themselves. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/29/13, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>>>>> If I could only use one device it would need to include a Braille >>>>>>> display. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Terri Wilcox >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>>>>>> com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 04:27:12 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:27:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Helga, Plenty of students use the Apex in college classes, and it is compatible with a number of printers. You can find a list at http://support.humanware.com/Site/Files/a/06cc20404d351cbaa2520fcd0d5adc3/8781d173e3aa0197338516f03610078e/Apex%20FAQ%202013.htm#Compatible_printers Hope this helps, On 9/30/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi all, this is helga. I just wanted to ask you, Do some of you use a > BrailleNote Apex for college classes and assignments? If you do, Does the > BrailleNote Apex has a compatible portable printer that I could purchase? > And if it does, do you know which kind of printer, and where could I buy it? > I will really appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions. Thanks so > much and God bless! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Mon Sep 30 04:40:32 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:40:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kaiti, I just wanted to ask you, are these printers portable in order for me to take to college, so that I could print my Papers? I actually have a compatible printer that is compatible with my BrailleNote Apex at home, but it's not prortable in order for me to take to school? Thanks and God bless! -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 12:27 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Hi Helga, Plenty of students use the Apex in college classes, and it is compatible with a number of printers. You can find a list at http://support.humanware.com/Site/Files/a/06cc20404d351cbaa2520fcd0d5adc3/8781d173e3aa0197338516f03610078e/Apex%20FAQ%202013.htm#Compatible_printers Hope this helps, On 9/30/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi all, this is helga. I just wanted to ask you, Do some of you use a > BrailleNote Apex for college classes and assignments? If you do, Does the > BrailleNote Apex has a compatible portable printer that I could purchase? > And if it does, do you know which kind of printer, and where could I buy > it? > I will really appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions. Thanks > so > much and God bless! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 13:41:44 2013 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:41:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Helga, You could probably find a printer on your campus that would work. Perhaps your disabilities office would be able to show you where a printer is in their office? As you can tell by looking at the list, a lot of the printers, especially ones made by HP, are compatible. Odds are your campus has one that you can use with the infra-fred connection. Hope this helps. On 9/30/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi Kaiti, I just wanted to ask you, are these printers portable in order > for me to take to college, so that I could print my Papers? I actually have > > a compatible printer that is compatible with my BrailleNote Apex at home, > but it's not prortable in order for me to take to school? Thanks and God > bless! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 12:27 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex > > Hi Helga, > > Plenty of students use the Apex in college classes, and it is > compatible with a number of printers. You can find a list at > http://support.humanware.com/Site/Files/a/06cc20404d351cbaa2520fcd0d5adc3/8781d173e3aa0197338516f03610078e/Apex%20FAQ%202013.htm#Compatible_printers > > Hope this helps, > > On 9/30/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> Hi all, this is helga. I just wanted to ask you, Do some of you use a >> BrailleNote Apex for college classes and assignments? If you do, Does the >> BrailleNote Apex has a compatible portable printer that I could purchase? >> And if it does, do you know which kind of printer, and where could I buy >> it? >> I will really appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions. Thanks >> >> so >> much and God bless! >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From joshkart12 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 13:46:20 2013 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:46:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AAFCD5D-8BE9-4DC1-A7EA-75EEA92ED9FF@gmail.com> Don't believe the apex has an infa-red or however you spell it LOL, port. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 30, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > > Helga, > > You could probably find a printer on your campus that would work. > Perhaps your disabilities office would be able to show you where a > printer is in their office? > > As you can tell by looking at the list, a lot of the printers, > especially ones made by HP, are compatible. Odds are your campus has > one that you can use with the infra-fred connection. Hope this helps. > >> On 9/30/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> Hi Kaiti, I just wanted to ask you, are these printers portable in order >> for me to take to college, so that I could print my Papers? I actually have >> >> a compatible printer that is compatible with my BrailleNote Apex at home, >> but it's not prortable in order for me to take to school? Thanks and God >> bless! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kaiti Shelton >> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 12:27 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex >> >> Hi Helga, >> >> Plenty of students use the Apex in college classes, and it is >> compatible with a number of printers. You can find a list at >> http://support.humanware.com/Site/Files/a/06cc20404d351cbaa2520fcd0d5adc3/8781d173e3aa0197338516f03610078e/Apex%20FAQ%202013.htm#Compatible_printers >> >> Hope this helps, >> >>> On 9/30/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>> Hi all, this is helga. I just wanted to ask you, Do some of you use a >>> BrailleNote Apex for college classes and assignments? If you do, Does the >>> BrailleNote Apex has a compatible portable printer that I could purchase? >>> And if it does, do you know which kind of printer, and where could I buy >>> it? >>> I will really appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions. Thanks >>> >>> so >>> much and God bless! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From opensesame at me.com Mon Sep 30 14:20:17 2013 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:20:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Desire to learn, what's the best way to approach using this online learning system? In-Reply-To: <20886101-DA2A-47D9-BF7A-963EEC66AC3B@gmail.com> References: <74646C61-6153-46AB-B6EE-F2EE5C6F14E7@gmail.com> <20886101-DA2A-47D9-BF7A-963EEC66AC3B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AE8846F-DEA2-4D52-B0EF-EC498DBF6DE1@me.com> Hello Maurice, My University also uses D2L and I generally access it through Safari on my 2011 MacBook Air, currently running Mountain Lion. I've had very few problems accessing any section of D2L. Two years ago I found a bug where VoiceOver did not read the answer choices in quizzes created using D2L's built-in multiple choice quiz module. The Prof & I contacted D2L support and they were quick to verify and troubleshoot the issue. In the meantime I had a human reader speak the answer choices for me. One thing that took some getting used to was accessing documents posted to the site. I eventually settled on the practice of simply navigating to the document name, pressing VO+Spacebar to open it in D2L's viewer window, navigating to the viewer window,, pressing VO+Command+F5 to bring the mouse pointer, and then clicking the trackpad. This causes the document to download into the Downloads folder on my Macbook where I can choose to open it in my App of choice. HTH, Bryan On Sep 29, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: > good evening, I just realize that there is something that I probably should have mentioned. I am doing this on a Mac first of all. But I do have access to windows, I guess the biggest From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 15:11:13 2013 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 09:11:13 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex In-Reply-To: <1AAFCD5D-8BE9-4DC1-A7EA-75EEA92ED9FF@gmail.com> References: <1AAFCD5D-8BE9-4DC1-A7EA-75EEA92ED9FF@gmail.com> Message-ID: Josh, It does, but it can't be used to send files to other devices. As I recall, it's design pretty much exclusively for printers. I might be confusing the apex with the mpower though… But, in any case, it's kind of irrelevant since the apex can connect to locks of printers with Bluetooth and USB Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 30, 2013, at 7:46 AM, Josh Gregory wrote: > > Don't believe the apex has an infa-red or however you spell it LOL, port. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 30, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> >> Helga, >> >> You could probably find a printer on your campus that would work. >> Perhaps your disabilities office would be able to show you where a >> printer is in their office? >> >> As you can tell by looking at the list, a lot of the printers, >> especially ones made by HP, are compatible. Odds are your campus has >> one that you can use with the infra-fred connection. Hope this helps. >> >>> On 9/30/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>> Hi Kaiti, I just wanted to ask you, are these printers portable in order >>> for me to take to college, so that I could print my Papers? I actually have >>> >>> a compatible printer that is compatible with my BrailleNote Apex at home, >>> but it's not prortable in order for me to take to school? Thanks and God >>> bless! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kaiti Shelton >>> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 12:27 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex >>> >>> Hi Helga, >>> >>> Plenty of students use the Apex in college classes, and it is >>> compatible with a number of printers. You can find a list at >>> http://support.humanware.com/Site/Files/a/06cc20404d351cbaa2520fcd0d5adc3/8781d173e3aa0197338516f03610078e/Apex%20FAQ%202013.htm#Compatible_printers >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>>> On 9/30/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>>> Hi all, this is helga. I just wanted to ask you, Do some of you use a >>>> BrailleNote Apex for college classes and assignments? If you do, Does the >>>> BrailleNote Apex has a compatible portable printer that I could purchase? >>>> And if it does, do you know which kind of printer, and where could I buy >>>> it? >>>> I will really appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions. Thanks >>>> >>>> so >>>> much and God bless! >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 30 18:43:18 2013 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:43:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Internships/Jobs Requiring a driver's license car Message-ID: Hello, I have come across several job and internship applications that say a driver's license and car is required for the position. I have access to reliable transportation, but obviously I will not be driving due to my vision. What do you suggest? What are my legal rights? Thank you, Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey From juanitatighan at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 18:45:04 2013 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:45:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Internships/Jobs Requiring a driver's license car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B2C96FD-6DF6-4779-BA94-066F6C3821C7@gmail.com> I've discovered that no matter what, if you don't have a license they will use it as an excuse not to hire you, so don't bother applying. Jane On Sep 30, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Hello, > > I have come across several job and internship applications that say a driver's license and car is required for the position. I have access to reliable transportation, but obviously I will not be driving due to my vision. What do you suggest? What are my legal rights? > > Thank you, > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 18:54:33 2013 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (ryan bishop) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:54:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <049b01cebe0e$81801ec0$84805c40$@gmail.com> Hi Helga, The braille note apex will work with any type of printer there, as long as it is USB. You can change the printer type in printer settings. Most schools should already have a compatible printer I believe. If it is an HP printer, I know that they do work, as my school has those and it does work. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Ryan Ryan Bishop Secretary Arizona Association of blind students http://az.nfb.org/aabs -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 9:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Hi all, this is helga. I just wanted to ask you, Do some of you use a BrailleNote Apex for college classes and assignments? If you do, Does the BrailleNote Apex has a compatible portable printer that I could purchase? And if it does, do you know which kind of printer, and where could I buy it? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions. Thanks so much and God bless! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.co m From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 19:11:04 2013 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:11:04 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Internships/Jobs Requiring a driver's license car In-Reply-To: <4B2C96FD-6DF6-4779-BA94-066F6C3821C7@gmail.com> References: <4B2C96FD-6DF6-4779-BA94-066F6C3821C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: I disagree. If you want the job and are otherwise qualified, I think it's worth calling or emailing the employer to ask why a car is required. Explain your transportation options and emphasize that you should be able to perform the job duties just fine using the transportation you have available to you, but that due to blindness you cannot drive your own vehicle. Also, sometimes employers request a driver's license when what they really mean is just a form of identification (and you should have some kind of state ID card). If the job requires getting around, but not actually driving other people around, you should be fine. Arielle On 9/30/13, Jane wrote: > I've discovered that no matter what, if you don't have a license they will > use it as an excuse not to hire you, so don't bother applying. > > Jane > > > > > On Sep 30, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have come across several job and internship applications that say a >> driver's license and car is required for the position. I have access to >> reliable transportation, but obviously I will not be driving due to my >> vision. What do you suggest? What are my legal rights? >> >> Thank you, >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 19:20:59 2013 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina Cruz) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:20:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Project Homeless outreach event Message-ID: Good afternoon all, I wanted to give you a quick update about my experience at the Project Homeless outreach event I posted about a few weeks ago. Thank you everyone for your feedback and encouragement! I used my laptop to write the guests answers and e-mails them to a printer that was setup in the area. Navigating around the diffent vendors was not as difficult as I initially assumed. Even though at times I wasn't always sure if I was going in the correct direction, many other volunteers were also asking for directions. Thank you again for the support of this list and your can-do attitude. I needed to be pushed out of my comfort zone! -- Anjelina From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 19:29:20 2013 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina Cruz) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:29:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Project Homeless event Message-ID: Good afternoon all, I wanted to give you a quick update about my experience at the Project Homeless outreach event I posted about a few weeks ago. Thank you everyone for your feedback and encouragement! I used my laptop to write the guests answers and e-mailed them to a printer that was setup in the area. Navigating around the diffent vendors was not as difficult as I initially assumed. Even though at times I wasn't always sure if I was going in the correct direction, many other volunteers were also asking for directions. Thank you again for the support of this list and your can-do attitude. I needed to be pushed out of my comfort zone! -- Anjelina From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 20:03:52 2013 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:03:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question about braille note Message-ID: <5249d71c.0384320a.2eeb.7952@mx.google.com> Hello, I just bought a used braille note apex. I've been using an m-power since my senior year of high school. It has been great. However, I need a new battery for it. The entire repair will cost me about $300-350 including shipping. Since I will have the apex, do you think it is worth paying the $300 to get the m-power fixed since it will just be used as a spare? Everything else is fine except the battery life is rather low. Also, the apex does come with a charger, but I am considering buying an extra one to keep at my camper. Do you think it would be worth the $45 to do that? My m-power has two chargers, but that was only because one broke and I bought one and then the state bought one. Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 20:09:18 2013 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (ryan bishop) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:09:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] question about braille note In-Reply-To: <5249d71c.0384320a.2eeb.7952@mx.google.com> References: <5249d71c.0384320a.2eeb.7952@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <04b901cebe18$f2f61870$d8e24950$@gmail.com> Hi, Personally I would recommend you use the apex, as the apex can do a tons more than the braille note empower can. That is my personal opinion though, but I don't see a reason to pay that much money if you have a new version of software at your fingertips that works just fine. Ryan Ryan Bishop Secretary Arizona Association of blind students http://az.nfb.org/aabs -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:04 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] question about braille note Hello, I just bought a used braille note apex. I've been using an m-power since my senior year of high school. It has been great. However, I need a new battery for it. The entire repair will cost me about $300-350 including shipping. Since I will have the apex, do you think it is worth paying the $300 to get the m-power fixed since it will just be used as a spare? Everything else is fine except the battery life is rather low. Also, the apex does come with a charger, but I am considering buying an extra one to keep at my camper. Do you think it would be worth the $45 to do that? My m-power has two chargers, but that was only because one broke and I bought one and then the state bought one. Thanks in advance, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.co m From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Mon Sep 30 20:14:53 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:14:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about braille note In-Reply-To: <5249d71c.0384320a.2eeb.7952@mx.google.com> References: <5249d71c.0384320a.2eeb.7952@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5249DBBD.6090005@comcast.net> On 9/30/2013 2:03 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > I just bought a used braille note apex. I've been using an m-power > since my senior year of high school. It has been great. However, I > need a new battery for it. The entire repair will cost me about > $300-350 including shipping. Since I will have the apex, do you think > it is worth paying the $300 to get the m-power fixed since it will > just be used as a spare? Everything else is fine except the battery > life is rather low. Also, the apex does come with a charger, but I am > considering buying an extra one to keep at my camper. Do you think it > would be worth the $45 to do that? My m-power has two chargers, but > that was only because one broke and I bought one and then the state > bought one. > Thanks in advance, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > > I think it would be who of you to send the Apex back to HumanWare as a trade in for all the stuff you need for the ... no, not the Apex. Stupid Beth got it wrong. Send down the Mpower, and keep the Apex, but trade in the Mpower so you can pay for the stuff for your Apex. Shoot, mine is not bluetoothing properly, so I'm thinking of trading it in for something like a BrailleSense. The Hims products are great. Beth From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 20:17:16 2013 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (ryan bishop) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 13:17:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] question about braille note In-Reply-To: <5249DBBD.6090005@comcast.net> References: <5249d71c.0384320a.2eeb.7952@mx.google.com> <5249DBBD.6090005@comcast.net> Message-ID: <04bb01cebe1a$0ff16af0$2fd440d0$@gmail.com> Hi, I agree. I would send it in as well. Trade in the empower for credit. Ryan Bishop Secretary Arizona Association of blind students http://az.nfb.org/aabs -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about braille note On 9/30/2013 2:03 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > I just bought a used braille note apex. I've been using an m-power > since my senior year of high school. It has been great. However, I > need a new battery for it. The entire repair will cost me about > $300-350 including shipping. Since I will have the apex, do you think > it is worth paying the $300 to get the m-power fixed since it will > just be used as a spare? Everything else is fine except the battery > life is rather low. Also, the apex does come with a charger, but I am > considering buying an extra one to keep at my camper. Do you think it > would be worth the $45 to do that? My m-power has two chargers, but > that was only because one broke and I bought one and then the state > bought one. > Thanks in advance, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40 > comcast.net > > I think it would be who of you to send the Apex back to HumanWare as a trade in for all the stuff you need for the ... no, not the Apex. Stupid Beth got it wrong. Send down the Mpower, and keep the Apex, but trade in the Mpower so you can pay for the stuff for your Apex. Shoot, mine is not bluetoothing properly, so I'm thinking of trading it in for something like a BrailleSense. The Hims products are great. Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.co m From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 20:19:13 2013 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:19:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Message-ID: <5249dced.8160ec0a.6907.fffff5d8@mx.google.com> The apex can print via bluetooth. ----- Original Message ----- From: Josh Gregory wrote: Helga, You could probably find a printer on your campus that would work. Perhaps your disabilities office would be able to show you where a printer is in their office? As you can tell by looking at the list, a lot of the printers, especially ones made by HP, are compatible. Odds are your campus has one that you can use with the infra-fred connection. Hope this helps. On 9/30/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: Hi Kaiti, I just wanted to ask you, are these printers portable in order for me to take to college, so that I could print my Papers? I actually have a compatible printer that is compatible with my BrailleNote Apex at home, but it's not prortable in order for me to take to school? Thanks and God bless! -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 12:27 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Hi Helga, Plenty of students use the Apex in college classes, and it is compatible with a number of printers. You can find a list at http://support.humanware.com/Site/Files/a/06cc20404d351cbaa2520fc d0d5adc3/8781d173e3aa0197338516f03610078e/Apex%20FAQ%202013.htm#C ompatible_printers Hope this helps, On 9/30/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: Hi all, this is helga. I just wanted to ask you, Do some of you use a BrailleNote Apex for college classes and assignments? If you do, Does the BrailleNote Apex has a compatible portable printer that I could purchase? And if it does, do you know which kind of printer, and where could I buy it? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions. Thanks so much and God bless! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine t104%40gmail.com -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreib er%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine t104%40gmail.com -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Mon Sep 30 21:40:44 2013 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:40:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex In-Reply-To: <049b01cebe0e$81801ec0$84805c40$@gmail.com> References: <049b01cebe0e$81801ec0$84805c40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Ryan, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I have a BrailleNote Apex that has a USV plog, where I connected to my printer that I have at home in order to print my papers. I actually never tried to connect my BrailleNote's USV plog to one of my college's printer. Just to let you know, a long time ago I went to the computer lab of my college in order to see if I could connect my plog into a printer, but they told me that I needed to do a whole process in getting authorization and all that. And I also went to my college's Admission office and I saw that they only have one printer for everyone to use there, but I really don't know if that printer is compatible with my BrailleNote Apex. That's the reason I was just asking, if I can just get a portable printer that is compatible with my BrailleNote Apex in order for me to just take to school, and don't be in the trouble in trying to find one at school, so that I could printe paper. Do you think that would be possible to have? Thanks and God bless!! -----Original Message----- From: ryan bishop Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:54 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Hi Helga, The braille note apex will work with any type of printer there, as long as it is USB. You can change the printer type in printer settings. Most schools should already have a compatible printer I believe. If it is an HP printer, I know that they do work, as my school has those and it does work. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Ryan Ryan Bishop Secretary Arizona Association of blind students http://az.nfb.org/aabs -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 9:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Hi all, this is helga. I just wanted to ask you, Do some of you use a BrailleNote Apex for college classes and assignments? If you do, Does the BrailleNote Apex has a compatible portable printer that I could purchase? And if it does, do you know which kind of printer, and where could I buy it? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions. Thanks so much and God bless! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Mon Sep 30 21:44:26 2013 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (ryan bishop) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:44:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex In-Reply-To: References: <049b01cebe0e$81801ec0$84805c40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <04c001cebe26$404017e0$c0c047a0$@gmail.com> Hi, I've never really heard of a portable printer, though I will do some searching for you on it. I will say though, that I would try to maybe see if that printer is compatible because it would save you the trouble of lugging around a printer books and a braille note. But, I will do a search for you and email you off list if I find something. Ryan Ryan Bishop Secretary Arizona Association of blind students http://az.nfb.org/aabs -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Hi Ryan, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I have a BrailleNote Apex that has a USV plog, where I connected to my printer that I have at home in order to print my papers. I actually never tried to connect my BrailleNote's USV plog to one of my college's printer. Just to let you know, a long time ago I went to the computer lab of my college in order to see if I could connect my plog into a printer, but they told me that I needed to do a whole process in getting authorization and all that. And I also went to my college's Admission office and I saw that they only have one printer for everyone to use there, but I really don't know if that printer is compatible with my BrailleNote Apex. That's the reason I was just asking, if I can just get a portable printer that is compatible with my BrailleNote Apex in order for me to just take to school, and don't be in the trouble in trying to find one at school, so that I could printe paper. Do you think that would be possible to have? Thanks and God bless!! -----Original Message----- From: ryan bishop Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:54 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Hi Helga, The braille note apex will work with any type of printer there, as long as it is USB. You can change the printer type in printer settings. Most schools should already have a compatible printer I believe. If it is an HP printer, I know that they do work, as my school has those and it does work. If you have any questions feel free to ask. Ryan Ryan Bishop Secretary Arizona Association of blind students http://az.nfb.org/aabs -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 9:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Hi all, this is helga. I just wanted to ask you, Do some of you use a BrailleNote Apex for college classes and assignments? If you do, Does the BrailleNote Apex has a compatible portable printer that I could purchase? And if it does, do you know which kind of printer, and where could I buy it? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions. Thanks so much and God bless! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.co m From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Mon Sep 30 21:48:08 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:48:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] driver's license requirements for jobs Message-ID: <5249F198.9060709@comcast.net> Dear Bobbie, and all, My bf Blake and I were going over this topic of driver's license requirements. We believe, in all honesty, that the most efficient thing an employer should try is to write, "Driver license or other ID issued by the United States." But not writing "other form of ID" in the application could put a barrier up against us. Anyone think this could become a law or something? After all, there are some forms of employment that could require a CDL (commercial driver's license). That's obvious: truck drivers and such. But to those who are seeking internships, what say you all about putting a clause in applications that says, "other form of ID" to break down the barrier? Beth From sgermano at asu.edu Mon Sep 30 21:57:26 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 14:57:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] driver's license requirements for jobs In-Reply-To: <5249F198.9060709@comcast.net> References: <5249F198.9060709@comcast.net> Message-ID: They really shouldn't have to put anything since it is law that for any job you have to prove you have the right to work in the US so ID & SS card etc They should only put DL if the job requires driving as part of the job requirements. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Beth Taurasi wrote: > Dear Bobbie, and all, > My bf Blake and I were going over this topic of driver's license > requirements. We believe, in all honesty, that the most efficient thing an > employer should try is to write, "Driver license or other ID issued by the > United States." But not writing "other form of ID" in the application > could put a barrier up against us. Anyone think this could become a law or > something? After all, there are some forms of employment that could > require a CDL (commercial driver's license). That's obvious: truck drivers > and such. But to those who are seeking internships, what say you all about > putting a clause in applications that says, "other form of ID" to break > down the barrier? > Beth > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 30 22:19:36 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:19:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Internships/Jobs Requiring a driver's license car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bobbi, I think you should use your networks and career center to get an internship. Its hard enough getting an internship because they are so competetive even if you have excellent grades and references. I remember my unsuccessful attempts to secure internships; I applied for nonprofit jobs with a nonprofit called Volunteer Fairfax. Each summer they got a grant from Exxon to give to nonprofits. This grant was divided up to give each intern a stipend for two months of interning. I applied for several positions and was interviewed for one job. I was not selected. The driving issue did not come up for me. I agree with Jane. They are looking for the top notch candidates and one who can get around fast; that is with a car as public transit is often slower. So, I would not apply. I would do my best to apply to jobs without such a requirement. Barriers are definitely transportation. Just because you may be able to get around does not mean that they will let you transport clients. What about transporting materials? If you use public transport or paratransit, you may not have room to transport this stuff. Also not everywhere has public transit. You have the legal right to work here with proper identification. You can use other forms of ID other than a drivers license. But if the job requires driving, there is often no way around that. If you know the organization though, you may be able to call and negotiate something with them. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi Pompey Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Internships/Jobs Requiring a driver's license car Hello, I have come across several job and internship applications that say a driver's license and car is required for the position. I have access to reliable transportation, but obviously I will not be driving due to my vision. What do you suggest? What are my legal rights? Thank you, Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Mon Sep 30 22:23:16 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 16:23:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] driver's license requirements for jobs In-Reply-To: References: <5249F198.9060709@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5249F9D4.3010708@comcast.net> On 9/30/2013 3:57 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > They really shouldn't have to put anything since it is law that for any job > you have to prove you have the right to work in the US so ID & SS card etc > > They should only put DL if the job requires driving as part of the job > requirements. > > > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Beth Taurasi > wrote: > >> Dear Bobbie, and all, >> My bf Blake and I were going over this topic of driver's license >> requirements. We believe, in all honesty, that the most efficient thing an >> employer should try is to write, "Driver license or other ID issued by the >> United States." But not writing "other form of ID" in the application >> could put a barrier up against us. Anyone think this could become a law or >> something? After all, there are some forms of employment that could >> require a CDL (commercial driver's license). That's obvious: truck drivers >> and such. But to those who are seeking internships, what say you all about >> putting a clause in applications that says, "other form of ID" to break >> down the barrier? >> Beth >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > Let's just say they could write something like "You must prove that you have the right to work in the United States i.e. you must own a work permit or ID." There. Does that sound good? Beth From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 30 22:27:36 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 18:27:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <684701DF5B504EC99BD2D54D0EB7B2F3@OwnerPC> Helga, I have a version of the braille note below yours. But its mostly the same for printing. Yes, there are several compatable printers. Go online to find out the compatability. Purchase from a typical store like Best Buy or office store like Staples or Office Depot. I think you could probably print from a school printer in your dss office. However, if you need a printer, just put it in your dorm. I'm not sure what you mean by portable. Most small ink jet printers are sort of portable meaning they are compact and light enough to transport to your dorm. But don't carry it all day in your backpack! Since I generated all work to turn in from my pc, I printed from it to the printer in my dorm. So I had no need to print from the Empower. I also think that if the school or a professor has a printer with infared port, and your braille note has the infared port, then that is a very easy way to print; it requires no wires. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 12:10 AM To: National Association of Blind Students Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Hi all, this is helga. I just wanted to ask you, Do some of you use a BrailleNote Apex for college classes and assignments? If you do, Does the BrailleNote Apex has a compatible portable printer that I could purchase? And if it does, do you know which kind of printer, and where could I buy it? I will really appreciate it if you could give me some suggestions. Thanks so much and God bless! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From sgermano at asu.edu Mon Sep 30 22:33:05 2013 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 15:33:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] driver's license requirements for jobs In-Reply-To: <5249F9D4.3010708@comcast.net> References: <5249F198.9060709@comcast.net> <5249F9D4.3010708@comcast.net> Message-ID: That is already law so no need to even state it. On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Beth Taurasi wrote: > On 9/30/2013 3:57 PM, Suzanne Germano wrote: > >> They really shouldn't have to put anything since it is law that for any >> job >> you have to prove you have the right to work in the US so ID & SS card etc >> >> They should only put DL if the job requires driving as part of the job >> requirements. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Beth Taurasi >> **wrote: >> >> Dear Bobbie, and all, >>> My bf Blake and I were going over this topic of driver's license >>> requirements. We believe, in all honesty, that the most efficient thing >>> an >>> employer should try is to write, "Driver license or other ID issued by >>> the >>> United States." But not writing "other form of ID" in the application >>> could put a barrier up against us. Anyone think this could become a law >>> or >>> something? After all, there are some forms of employment that could >>> require a CDL (commercial driver's license). That's obvious: truck >>> drivers >>> and such. But to those who are seeking internships, what say you all >>> about >>> putting a clause in applications that says, "other form of ID" to break >>> down the barrier? >>> Beth >>> >>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/****options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**** >>> sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> 40asu.edu >>> > >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> denverqueen1107%40comcast.net >> >> Let's just say they could write something like "You must prove that you > have the right to work in the United States i.e. you must own a work permit > or ID." There. Does that sound good? > Beth > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/**sgermano%40asu.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 30 23:28:29 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:28:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Bard shut down and government shutdown Message-ID: <876C6704C743469298D959B96F4F7187@OwnerPC> Hi all, If you need or want anything urgently from Bard, download tonight! Remember our congress has not agreed on a budget and the funding of Obama care, so the government may shut down. Bard will shut down also as long as NLS staff are furloughed. You probably can order books via your cooperating library via mail still though. I saw this message on BARD. In the case of a federal government shutdown tomorrow, tuesday, October 1, 2013, most Library of congress personnel, including all NLS staff, will be furloughed, and BARD servers will be shut down for the duration. So there is the message. So, take steps to prepare and voice your political views to your legislator’s offices so we hopefully can get the government running soon. Ashley From JLester8462 at pccua.edu Mon Sep 30 23:31:51 2013 From: JLester8462 at pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 23:31:51 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Bard shut down and government shutdown In-Reply-To: <876C6704C743469298D959B96F4F7187@OwnerPC> References: <876C6704C743469298D959B96F4F7187@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I'm praying that a deal is reached! Blessings, Joshua ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett [bookwormahb at earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 6:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Bard shut down and government shutdown Hi all, If you need or want anything urgently from Bard, download tonight! Remember our congress has not agreed on a budget and the funding of Obama care, so the government may shut down. Bard will shut down also as long as NLS staff are furloughed. You probably can order books via your cooperating library via mail still though. I saw this message on BARD. In the case of a federal government shutdown tomorrow, tuesday, October 1, 2013, most Library of congress personnel, including all NLS staff, will be furloughed, and BARD servers will be shut down for the duration. So there is the message. So, take steps to prepare and voice your political views to your legislator’s offices so we hopefully can get the government running soon. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40pccuaedu.onmicrosoft.com From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Mon Sep 30 23:39:27 2013 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 17:39:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Internships/Jobs Requiring a driver's license car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <524A0BAF.3020204@comcast.net> On 9/30/2013 4:19 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Bobbi, > I think you should use your networks and career center to get an > internship. > Its hard enough getting an internship because they are so competetive > even if you have excellent grades and references. > I remember my unsuccessful attempts to secure internships; I applied > for nonprofit jobs with a nonprofit called Volunteer Fairfax. Each > summer they got a grant from Exxon to give to nonprofits. This grant > was divided up to give each intern a stipend for two months of > interning. I applied for several positions and was interviewed for one > job. I was not selected. > > The driving issue did not come up for me. > I agree with Jane. They are looking for the top notch candidates and > one who can get around fast; that is with a car as public transit is > often slower. > So, I would not apply. I would do my best to apply to jobs without > such a requirement. > > Barriers are definitely transportation. Just because you may be able > to get around does not mean > that they will let you transport clients. What about transporting > materials? If you use public transport or paratransit, you may not > have room to transport this stuff. > Also not everywhere has public transit. > > You have the legal right to work here with proper identification. You > can use other forms of ID other than a drivers license. > But if the job requires driving, there is often no way around that. > > If you know the organization though, you may be able to call and > negotiate something with them. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi Pompey > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 2:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Internships/Jobs Requiring a driver's license car > > Hello, > > I have come across several job and internship applications that say a > driver's license and car is required for the position. I have access > to reliable transportation, but obviously I will not be driving due to > my vision. What do you suggest? What are my legal rights? > > Thank you, > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > > Ashley and Bobbie, would you mean negotiating hire of a driver for that person who is applying? Driving jobs are a barrier to blind people if the driving is not the only thing required in the job. Like, for instance, tow truck driving or supply runs. Beth From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Sep 30 23:54:30 2013 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 19:54:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Internships/Jobs Requiring a driver's license car In-Reply-To: <524A0BAF.3020204@comcast.net> References: <524A0BAF.3020204@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8BC4C42B019D4D92B0C0F83D3D80D44F@OwnerPC> Beth, Your messages are at the bottom again btw. What I meant by negotiate with the employer was find another solution or have them pay for a driver. Driving is a barrier because often where you need to travel will not have reliable public transit. Also, I do not know the job which Bobby needs, but if its social work related, they need you to drive so you can transport clients and go to various meetings. It is unlikely an employer will let you take clients on public transit with you. If you know the employer or they are open minded, perhaps some arrangement can be made though. Bobby would have to consider the company and if she wants to call them up front to disclose her disability and discuss other options. Ashley