[nabs-l] Students with guide dogs

Tue Sep 3 02:00:03 UTC 2013

What does well behaved dogs have to do with properly certified service
animals. I should not be able to take my German Shepherd into a store just
because he is well behaved and I am blind if he is not trained to be a
guide dog. I would love to bring my dogs everywhere but they are not
trained as guide dogs. I believe that service dogs should have to be
properly trained and certified by an agency otherwise everyone will just
bring pets into stores and claim they are service dogs.

I have seen several dogs in stores recently with nothing on them indicating
they are service animals but becausee they are small no one says anything.
I bet if I brought my shepherd into costco someone would say something
about it.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> First of all, though the issue of fake service dogs complicates
> things, it is not helpful to treat the guide dog school ID as an
> access card that will prove the legitimacy of our dogs.  I know plenty
> of owner trainers who have very well-behaved dogs.  They would not be
> able to prove that they got their guides from a school.  So then, what
> would happen?  They would be kicked out of establishments or forced to
> make their own IDs.  What would this accomplish?
>
> As for showing documentation to housing, dorms and other on campus
> housing are covered under the FHA(fair Housing Act).  Under FHA, it is
> illegal for a housing association of any kind to ask for health
> records on service dogs.  We could debate all day about whether or not
> this is a good idea.  Frankly, I can see both sides of it, at least
> for dorms.  But it doesn't matter because it is actually illegal.  So
> are pet deposits, size requirements, and of course, refusal of the
> service dog for any reason.  This covers public housing accomidations
> and depends on numbers.  Anyone renting a certain number of rooms,
> apartment complexes, and dorms are covered.
>
> I would also point out that it is the handeler's choice where to take
> a guide dog.  Noone can or should decide that for anyone else.  I, for
> example, will always take my current dog to convention, but I
> understand and respect those who choose not to do this.  It is also
> not up to anyone but the handeler to decide when to use the dog.  We
> guide dog users get a lot of opinions from others about when, how, and
> what to do with our dogs.  Yes, some of them are well-meaning, but
> much of the time they are uncalled for.
>
> I do agree that some guide dog users make a bad name for the rest of
> us.  But at the same time, every guide dog user makes a mistake.  I
> have had moments where I dropped the leash for a second, and my dog
> ran after another dog.  I got yelled at and deserved it.  We are only
> human and make mistakes and get distracted.  Remember that the next
> time you see a dog relieve itself in the hotel at convention.  My dog
> has never done this, but she has done other embarrassing things at
> convention.
>
> I think we need to give each other a little grace here.  It's time for
> the cane users to support the dog users and their rights to take
> charge over their own dogs.  (This goes for other dog users too.)  And
> it's also time for the dog users to stop worrying about the dog verses
> cane debate and use their dogs and canes when and how they want.  Yes,
> dog users still have to use canes some of the time.
>
> My last point I would like to make is that it is within the law for
> the owner of an establishment to refuse access to a dog who is dirty
> or otherwise disruptive to business. This is what a lot of people tend
> to forgot about the ADA.  So if a dog is not groomed and is not clean,
> the handeler will have other problems besides bothering people with
> allergies.
>
>
>
> On 9/1/13, Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> wrote:
> > I presume it is a health question because as I
> > recall the initial EMAIL post to this list was
> > wondering whether or not it is permissible under
> > the ADA guidelines for a college or university to
> > request  vaccination records of a service/guide dog.
> >
> > I presume it is NOT an ADA guideline issue. I
> > don't SEE the difference between requesting a
> > service/guide dog's vaccination records or a
> > students immunization records  especially with
> > all of the concern of contageous diseases  such
> > as the flu. They are, in my humble opinion, just
> > trying to be proactive to protect the
> > staff/student population, who regularly
> > attend/visit their campus of learning, and that
> > is what, in my EYES makes it a health concern/issue.
> >
> > Sent From Robin M.
> >
> > At 12:46 PM 8/31/2013, you wrote:
> >>BS"D I only want to point out some things. It is
> >>not the dog's coat which gives the allergic
> >>reaction, it is the dog's saliva. The saliva
> >>consists of allergen which make some people
> >>sick. Actually, every dog owner carry allergen
> >>and therefore the dog is not the only problem
> >>for people with dog allergies. A dog who is well
> >>cared of, bathed and gromed do not cause more
> >>problems for a person with dog allergies then a
> >>dog owner in general does. Many persons with dog
> >>allergies can take medecins but for few people
> >>this do not work, for them it would be a problem
> >>to only meet a dog owner. I do not hope none
> >>take this personally but I only want to clear up
> >>things. I live in a country where the Allergic
> >>lobby has a very strong voice which makes it
> >>hard to live with a guide dog here. We get
> >>refused to enter shops, restaurants and
> >>universities because 'a person can get an
> >>allergic attack'. Okay, therefore this subject
> >>is close to my heart. I understand that it can
> >>be a problem for people with allergies but it is
> >>not my problem, my dog is well taken care of and
> >>she will not be upin  people faces. I really
> >>feel for Joshua and others, it must be difficult
> >>but I wish it would be more respectful
> >>especially in my own country where it sounds
> >>lile my dog would kill people with dog allergies
> >>which is not true. Kind regards, Mlle.
> >>Leye-Shprintse Ãberg Courriel :
> >>leyeshprintse at ymail.com Journal :
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> Julie McG
> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
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