[nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class

[Suzanne Germano]

It's actually the clicker not my understanding of how to use it. My
daughter said they do that sometimes just switch to change channel mode out
of the blue. She said it happened to her and her friends all the time.

The class is given 45 seconds. I did ask if she could make it longer for
questions that were extremely long to read. she said she would do that.


On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Hello Suzanne ,
>
> I am sorry to hear you are having such a difficult time using the clicker
> device. I think good communication with your professor is really the key
> here.
>
> Perhaps your professor can help you learn how to use the clicker device
> more affectively when taking the quiz. Also, you could see if your
> professor would be willing to read the quiz questions and answers a second
> time. This would probably give you another minute or two to answer the
> questions.
>
> If you are not able to find an affective way to use the clicker, then I
> would suggest asking your professor about making the quiz available online
> as he or she is conducting the quiz before going the paper route. If this
> option is available, you would be able to use your laptop computer to take
> the quiz when the questions become available to everyone else without
> creating any extra work for the professor. I personally think this would be
> the best alternative if you cannot use the clicker affectively provided
> that it is an option available to you.
>
> Hopefully you can work with your professor to find the best solution to
> this problem.
>
> Best of luck,
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
> ------------------------------**--------------------
> From: "Suzanne Germano" <sgermano at asu.edu>
> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 12:07 AM
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology class
>
>  I will check with her she give the answers immediately after the time runs
>> out to enter them.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Arielle Silverman <
>> Arielle.Silverman at asu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>  You could probably circle your answers on a printout and then come up
>>> and give your printout to the professor before she discusses the
>>> answers with the class. Would that work?
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
>>> > We use turning point. I have the clicker set to the channel at the >
>>> start
>>> of
>>> > class and it is the only class I use a clicker for.
>>> >
>>> > For some reason when I answer the question (which is multiple choice)
>>> there
>>> > have been several time it end up on the change channel screen.
>>> >
>>> > I may ask for print outs and ask if I can just circle my answer. I >
>>> don't
>>> > know if she will think I will cheat since after every one enters their
>>> > answer she tells the correct one.
>>> >
>>> > I don't use readers or note-takers. I only use a lab aid in biology
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Suzanne,
>>> >> What school do you go to and what clicker do you use?
>>> >>
>>> >> For one thing, there are accessible clickers.  I don't know much about
>>> >> it,
>>> >> as I have never used one.  And if this is the only class you're taking
>>> >> with
>>> >> clicker questions, you may not care to look into using one.  But for
>>> >> future
>>> >> reference if you want, look into it.  There is iClicker, and there is
>>> >> TurningPoint or Turning Technology.
>>> >>
>>> >> As for now, I would highly recommend talking to your professor about
>>> >> the
>>> >> questions you have missed. This happened to me.  I kept missing them
>>> >> because there was so little time and I wasn't prepared to deal with
>>> that.
>>> >>  So to get credit for the ones I missed, I just talked to him and
>>> >> explained
>>> >> the situation.  I suggested a way to make up for the missed points, to
>>> >> ask
>>> >> me questions, either during their office time or just before or after
>>> >> lecture that were similar to the clicker questions, and then if I get
>>> >> it
>>> >> right, just add those points to grade somewhere or go back and change
>>> the
>>> >> points for missed clicker questions.  Or I could do some sort of extra
>>> >> credit.  That's what happened and it worked out fine.
>>> >> I hope you are in close contact with your professor.  And I hope you
>>> >> are
>>> >> communicating all these accessibility situations to him/her.  Often
>>> >> the
>>> >> professor will have a great alternative.  As for the rest of the >>
>>> clicker
>>> >> questions throughout the rest of your current class, I would have
>>> someone
>>> >> help you with entering the responses on the clicker, as it is not fair
>>> to
>>> >> not be able to make sure your response is accurate and has been sent
>>> >> successfully.  You should be able to enter the channel before class
>>> >> ever
>>> >> starts.  I would enter the channel when I got to class that way it
>>> >> already
>>> >> knows what channel I was on and didn't ask me when I was trying to >>
>>> enter
>>> >> information.   There may be a way to lock in the channel so you don't
>>> >> have
>>> >> to enter it, as someone suggested, u might want to look into that. >>
>>> That
>>> >> would certainly be the easiest thing, if that is the only class you
>>> >> are
>>> >> using it for.  But if you are using it for more than one class, enter
>>> the
>>> >> channel before class starts and it should
>>> >>   not be an issue when you are doing the question.  Then like I said,
>>> for
>>> >> the question, have a TA or a reader from DSS or your own reader help
>>> >> you
>>> >> with seeing the screen.  Of course if you are just doing multiple >>
>>> choice
>>> >> answers, it may not be a big deal, but if you are entering numeric
>>> >> information, I think it's good to be able to double check the screen,
>>> and
>>> >> depending on which clicker your school uses, you will need help with
>>> >> entering the numeric info.  I would suggest not using a student next
>>> >> to
>>> >> you
>>> >> to help you with it though, as these questions typically only give a
>>> very
>>> >> short time period to answer, and each student needs that limited time
>>> >> to
>>> >> figure out the answer and enter it for themselves.
>>> >>
>>> >> As far as getting access to the actual question, you could have your
>>> >> professor print out the question and give it to you in large font >>
>>> every
>>> >> day
>>> >> when he puts it up on the board.  Sit in front so if they forget, you
>>> can
>>> >> raise your hand or whatever to remind them to give it to you.  If they
>>> >> forget to print it out for you, they either will just use the >>
>>> questions
>>> >> as
>>> >> review and not give anyone points for that day or they will do >>
>>> something
>>> >> to
>>> >> let u get those missed points as they will be aware that it is not >>
>>> your
>>> >> fault that you missed it.   I used to email my professors the day or
>>> >> morning before each class politely reminding them, towards the >>
>>> beginning
>>> >> of
>>> >> the semester.  I think that might be a good option for you.  Or you
>>> could
>>> >> possibly have them email it to you before class or something.  Or you
>>> >> could
>>> >> use a reader for the question as well.
>>> >> One way to get around this is to have the clicker questions on an
>>> >> accessible website, which some schools do.  I don't know how >>
>>> complicated
>>> >> of
>>> >> a process it is to set that up but if nothing else, you could suggest
>>> >> it
>>> >> to
>>> >> your professor for future reference.
>>> >>
>>> >> As for your lab.  I think there have been some very good suggestions.
>>> >> One
>>> >> thing that always comes to mind is - Get a reader.  Pay someone to
>>> >> describe
>>> >> something for you, you might be able to get someone from DSS to do >>
>>> this.
>>> >> The option that I personally would take however, is what Arielle >>
>>> said -
>>> >> do
>>> >> something that does not require sight. If my understanding of your
>>> >> assignment is correct, I don't know why you need to involve vision in
>>> >> it
>>> >> at
>>> >> all, unless you just want to.
>>> >> Working with another student is also something you could ask your
>>> teacher
>>> >> about I suppose.  Good luck.  And let us know what you decide.
>>> >>
>>> >> Anna E Givens
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > I wonder if there is a way to lock the channel on the clicker so you
>>> >> > can't accidentally get kicked out of the channel you need to be in?
>>> >> > Arielle
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 9/22/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
>>> >> >> Our clicker questions are every lecture and count toward our grade.
>>> >> >> She
>>> >> has
>>> >> >> read the questions out loud but quickly and they are biology >> >>
>>> genetics
>>> >> stuff
>>> >> >> so I usually need to reread and make sure I have all the data right
>>> >> before
>>> >> >> doing my punnet squares or come up with the answer.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Most of the time the questions were not super long so I had time to
>>> >> reread
>>> >> >> and calculate.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> There have been several times I enter my answer and my screen says
>>> >> change
>>> >> >> channel? I need to get out magnifier which takes a few seconds to
>>> turn
>>> >> on
>>> >> >> then go through the menu on the clicker o make sure the channel is
>>> >> >> still
>>> >> >> right, get back to the place ot answer then answer. The channel is
>>> >> >> often
>>> >> >> wrong because it took my answer entry as my input for new channel.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I have 2 days with no answers registered when got all four each day
>>> >> >> correct.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke
>>> >> >> <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> Hello Suzanne,
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I am not sure if each college or university uses the clicker
>>> >> >>> questions
>>> >> in
>>> >> >>> the same manner, but I can describe how I have been able to use
>>> >> >>> them
>>> >> >>> while
>>> >> >>> attending a community college.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> The professor who uses the clicker questions only uses them for
>>> >> >>> review
>>> >> >>> questions and poll questions. Therefore, if a student is not able
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> >>> participate, or does not wish to participate, it does not effect
>>> >> >>> their
>>> >> >>> grade.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> In the past, the professor handed out the clickers during class.
>>> They
>>> >> >>> were
>>> >> >>> not all that complicated as they had a layout similar to a >> >>>
>>> telephone
>>> >> >>> keypad. However, this semester students can use either a cell >>
>>> >>> phone
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> >>> text
>>> >> >>> the answer, or log into the survey website with their laptop
>>> >> >>> computers.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> In either case, the professor reads both the question and the
>>> answers
>>> >> >>> aloud so I can follow along with what the rest of the class is
>>> doing.
>>> >> >>> When
>>> >> >>> the professor used the clickers, all I had to do was press the
>>> button
>>> >> >>> that
>>> >> >>> corresponded with the answer while pointing it in the direction of
>>> my
>>> >> >>> professor.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I do not know if every school uses the clickers in this same >>
>>> >>> manner,
>>> >> but
>>> >> >>> this is how I was able to deal with the situation. Alternative
>>> >> >>> methods
>>> >> >>> may
>>> >> >>> be to ask a student sitting next to you to read the question and
>>> >> >>> the
>>> >> >>> answers, or perhaps a reader from the disabilities office if they
>>> >> provide
>>> >> >>> such a service.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Even though I have had usable vision for most of my life, I have
>>> >> >>> found
>>> >> >>> non-visual techniques to be the most effective and efficient for
>>> >> >>> me.
>>> >> >>> Perhaps you may wish to give some of them a try.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Warm regards,
>>> >> >>> Elizabeth
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> ------------------------------****--------------------
>>> >> >>> From: "Suzanne Germano" <sgermano at asu.edu>
>>> >> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 4:03 PM
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>>> >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Animal observation and experiment for biology
>>> class
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I am taking general biology as a lab science requirement. We have
>>> >> >>> to
>>> >> >>>> observe an animal then design and experiment and then perform the
>>> >> >>>> experiment. An example that one person is doing is what >> >>>>
>>> percentage
>>> >> >>>> of
>>> >> >>>> time
>>> >> >>>> do duck go in the water based on temperature. We cannot do pets.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> I don't have people sitting around doing nothing waiting drive me
>>> >> >>>> somewhere
>>> >> >>>> and to be my eyes and observe and animal several times.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Have any of you had to do something like this? What did you find
>>> the
>>> >> >>>> best
>>> >> >>>> solution to be?
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Also clicker questions. How do you deal with them? I use a cctv
>>> >> >>>> to
>>> >> >>>> see
>>> >> >>>> the
>>> >> >>>> board and even with that I can't read long questions fast enough.
>>> >> >>>> And
>>> >> >>>> there
>>> >> >>>> have been several times my clicker goes into change channel mode
>>> >> >>>> when
>>> >> I
>>> >> >>>> select an answer. I can't read the clicker display or the >>
>>> >>>> buttons.
>>> I
>>> >> >>>> have
>>> >> >>>> to get out my hand held cctv to read the screen and get it out of
>>> >> change
>>> >> >>>> channel mode by the time I fix it time is up.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Suzanne
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