[nabs-l] AP statistics
Lillie Pennington
lilliepennington at fuse.net
Wed Apr 30 02:44:33 UTC 2014
Thank you for this. I will definitely try this over looking at four page Braille tables. :)
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> On Apr 29, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For anyone taking either AP stats or intro stats in college, I would
> highly recommend using
> www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs
> to access your critical values instead of trying to read the tables in
> the back of your textbook. I used the textbook tables when I took the
> course ten years ago, but no matter how you have your textbook,
> accessing those tables is bound to be at least a little annoying,
> especially if you have a multi-volume Braille book.
> On the Graphpad website, however, you can just select "distributions
> and interpreting p-values" from the main page, then select "calculate
> p, t or z from a probability" then put in your probability as .05 and
> it will spit out the critical values for your particular test.
> I'm sure this doesn't make much sense if you haven't taken the course
> yet, but you can hang on to this email for future reference. In
> addition, critical values can be calculated in Excel. I don't remember
> the formula, but can look it up and send it to you if you need it.
>
> Best,
> Arielle
>
>> On 4/28/14, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Lillie,
>>
>> I took AP stats back in 2008-2009, so I'm sure the course has changed
>> by now. But I didn't have a graphing calculator, and I did well
>> without one. I do remember that there were these AP Stats practice
>> materials from College Board that our class used, and I had those.
>>
>> Some of the units were extremely nonvisual, and others did require
>> graphs and tables. But the graphs aren't super complex, from what I
>> remember. So you could probably describe them pretty easily. I
>> remember AP stats being a lot of writing and interpreting and some
>> formulas. I had to do a lot of studying, but for the most part,
>> accessing the visuals wasn't a huge concern. I hope you have a
>> similar experience without having to study as much as I did. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 4/28/14, Phil <philso1003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Lillie,
>>> Echoing what Arielle said, you can go through a Stats course without
>>> using graphing function in graphing calculator. I didn't use it when I
>>> took my 3 Stats courses in college either.
>>> You might also want to ask your teacher what software if any is used?
>>> For example, in college intro Stats courses they sometimes use
>>> software called STATA and SPSS. There's also a software called SAS but
>>> highly unlikely to be used in AP Stat.
>>> Hope this helps a bit.
>>> Best,
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 4/27/14, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I agree. At this point you need to get your parents involved. I love to
>>>> hear
>>>> how you have advocated for yourself, but it sounds as though that avenue
>>>> has
>>>> been ineffective on several issues this year. The next step would be to
>>>> appeal to someone with more authority to advocate on your behalf, and
>>>> your
>>>> parents are the best choice.
>>>>
>>>> I am a TVI and unfortunately I also encounter the negative attitudes you
>>>> guys refer to among my colleagues. The best solution I can think of is
>>>> to
>>>> have mor blind students go into this field. :)
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck with your advocacy effort.
>>>>
>>>> -Greg
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lillie,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a little confused about what your TVI is recommending. Does he
>>>>> think you should take trig instead, or that you shouldn't take the
>>>>> ACT? Either way I completely agree it is not his place to be
>>>>> questioning your choice of courses. He is not a guidance counselor,
>>>>> and even if he were, he is still bound to respect your informed
>>>>> decisions.
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess is that this guy has a power complex and that may be part of
>>>>> the reason he has decided to teach blind students. I do not think his
>>>>> actions are based on anything you have done in the past. You can
>>>>> certainly try talking to him, but I am not sure if it will be
>>>>> effective. It is great that your parents are supporting you because
>>>>> until you turn 18 they are primarily in charge of your education and
>>>>> can overrule anything your TVI does or at least can legally advocate
>>>>> on your behalf. I would strongly suggest having your mom or dad talk
>>>>> to your TVI about his actions and perhaps even request a meeting with
>>>>> you and he to discuss his actions. Your TVI may not have much respect
>>>>> for blind teens and may not listen to you but he is obligated to
>>>>> listen to your parents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/25/14, Lillie Pennington <lilliepennington at fuse.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Arielle and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologize for my horrible email responsive habits again. I met with
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> stats teacher today for next year. The meeting itself was good, and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> teacher seemed willing to work with me. She said that she rarely uses
>>>>>> excel
>>>>>> or hand graphs and instead uses a graphing calculator. She said she
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> send me a list of functions so that I could have the summer to work
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> I needed to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, one thing that did not go well was my TVI. I apologize if I
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> start a new thread for this. While he did let me deal directly with my
>>>>>> teacher (which surprised me), when my teacher mentioned that there was
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> trig that would be on the ACT that I would need to know just as a sort
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> FYI thing to consider, my TVI kept bringing the conversation back to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ACT
>>>>>> and math in general, and if she thought I should switch out, although
>>>>>> she
>>>>>> had previously said that it was just a thing to consider. I thanked
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> teacher for her concern and said that I had consulted with multiple
>>>>>> sources,
>>>>>> and although there was some trepidation it was not going to be a huge
>>>>>> gaping
>>>>>> concern to me in the long run. I had spoken to my TVI about this
>>>>>> beforehand
>>>>>> and he was not listening to me about the issue.
>>>>>> I walked out of a meeting that was supposed to turn out pretty good
>>>>>> feeling
>>>>>> very concerned and upset; not because of the class, but because of my
>>>>>> TVI's
>>>>>> actions. I respect and understand the fact that he has concerns, but
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> addressing them in a way that isn't the best. He says stuff like "I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> think you can handle this" or "I don't think your parents know what
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> doing." Although I have my parents entire support on this, he has not
>>>>>> contacted them about it. He tried to get my guidance counselor to
>>>>>> dissuade
>>>>>> me from taking AP classes, but my counselor sited with me. My parents
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> have agreed that I need to speak to him on Monday about how that was
>>>>>> probably not the best course of action to take on his part and how I
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> parents have made this decision and he needs to respect it.
>>>>>> His actions in this respect and his negative actions in general are
>>>>>> completely destroying what little confidence I had both in blindness
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> a person. I feel like I have no right to speak against him or that he
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> not take me seriously no matter how I phraise anything because no
>>>>>> matter
>>>>>> what I'm just a dumb blind teenager who knows absolutely nothing about
>>>>>> her
>>>>>> capabilities or about anything in general. There are incidents besides
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> one where I have felt like I was being questioned. I do not think I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> done anything to make him question me like this.
>>>>>> He is completely destroying my confidence and I need to salvage what
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> I have left to make him stop treating me like this. I understand that
>>>>>> everyone has different ways of dealing with people, but I do not think
>>>>>> whether he knows it or not, he should not be aiming to destroy my
>>>>>> confidence
>>>>>> or make me feel like I have to prove something to him. I understand
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> all of this is his fault and through my actions I have probably done
>>>>>> something to earn this, but I would like to know what.
>>>>>> I apologize for complaining here, and I am not trying to get pitty. I
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> plan to talk to him on Monday so I can at least try to do something
>>>>>> constructive about the situation. He has done some good things, but
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> bad
>>>>>> things overshadow the good things he has done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Lillie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
>>>>>> Silverman
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 12:10 AM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AP statistics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Lillie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know exact answers to most of your questions, but just wanted
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> let
>>>>>> you know that I've taken five statistics courses (including
>>>>>> graduate-level) without ever using a graphing calculator. While
>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>> students might be expected to use a graphing calculator and the stats
>>>>>> functions on yours might be accessible, even if they are not, you can
>>>>>> definitely participate without using a graphing calculator. In fact, I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> graphing is a very minor part of the course curriculum. That said, I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> know what the AP test looks like, and you might have to use a graphing
>>>>>> calculator on the test.
>>>>>> Sometimes the graphing requirements are altered for blind students, so
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> may want to find out what the regular test requires and then contact
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> college board to see if any inaccessible parts of the normal
>>>>>> requirements
>>>>>> are modified (I'm guessing your TVI may not be the best person to ask
>>>>>> based
>>>>>> on your other posts).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If hand-graphing is required, I always just wrote out detailed
>>>>>> descriptions
>>>>>> of the graphs. Again, I don't think actually seeing the graph is
>>>>>> important
>>>>>> for understanding the underlying math and interpreting results. I just
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> it to appease the teacher's requirements on exams and such.
>>>>>> You can do most of the required calculations either in Excel or with a
>>>>>> web-based calculator at www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs/ Your teacher may
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> not know about GraphPad, but you might offer to use that instead of
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> inaccessible software that's required.
>>>>>> Braille Note stats functions may also work, but it depends on whether
>>>>>> you're
>>>>>> expected to calculate basics like means and standard deviations by
>>>>>> calculator or by hand. In college stats we had to do it by hand, using
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> standard calculator to compute square roots and other basic math. I
>>>>>> used
>>>>>> JAWS to read me the data and then used my Braille Note calculator for
>>>>>> computations, and Excel will also work for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry I can't offer more help without knowing more details, but I'm
>>>>>> happy
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> consult when you have more specific questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/18/14, Lillie Pennington <lilliepennington at fuse.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will be taking AP statistics next year. I am going to contact the
>>>>>>> teacher of the class next week, but I want to know what I am talking
>>>>>>> about before I have a meeting. If anyone has taken this class,
>>>>>>> answering these questions would be very helpful. I am not sure how
>>>>>>> college stats classes work, but I'd think they would be similar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Are graphing calculators needed? I have the TI84 from APH
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> used it this year. Are the statistical functions accessible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Is excel used? Roughly what parts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. What about the statistical functions part of the Braille
>>>>>>> note
>>>>>>> calculator? Is this used? Again, what functions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. Roughly are there any new Nemeth symbols introduced?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5. Is there any reason I would have to hand-draw a graph at any
>>>>>> point
>>>>>>> if I have the calculator and excel available to me?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6. Are there parts of the course, minus inaccessible software,
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> are inaccessible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
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>> --
>> Julie McG
>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National
>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> life."
>> John 3:16
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