[nabs-l] Training centers

Karl Martin Adam kmaent1 at gmail.com
Thu Aug 14 17:12:48 UTC 2014 

Alright=20Antonio,=20I'll=20bight.=20=20Why=20do=20you=20think=20that=20bli=
nd=20
mobility=20instructors=20aren't=20capable=20of=20training=20people=20with=20=
dog=20
guides?=20=20There=20don't=20seem=20to=20be=20any=20real=20reasons=20for=20=
this=20apart=20
from=20the=20same=20prejudices=20that=20have=20prevented=20blind=20people=20=
from=20
teaching=20mobility=20at=20all=20for=20decades.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20perso=
n=20is=20
competent=20enough=20to=20keep=20their=20student=20safe=20and=20help=20them=
=20employ=20
structured=20discovery,=20then=20why=20aren't=20they=20competent=20enough=20=
to=20do=20
this=20if=20the=20student=20happens=20to=20use=20a=20dog?

Karl

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Antonio=20Guimaraes=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20Sofia=20Gallo=20<sofiagallo13 at gmail.com>,National=20Association=20of=
=20
Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Thu,=2014=20Aug=202014=2012:32:38=20-0400
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20Training=20centers

The=20training=20at=20the=20NFB=20centers=20does=20not=20include=20guide=20=
dog=20
mobility=20training.=20the=20nobel=20is=20based=20on=20cane=20skills,=20so=
=20it=20would=20
follow=20that=20you=92d=20not=20use=20your=20dog=20while=20learning=20to=20=
use=20a=20cane.

I=20guess=20the=20centers=20like=20you=20to=20practice=20your=20cane=20skil=
ls=20during=20
business=20hours.=20I=20agree=20that=20this=20is=20a=20bit=20slanted=20towa=
rds=20cane=20
use.

I=20believe=20the=20Colorado=20Center=20may=20be=20more=20compatible=20with=
=20keeping=20
your=20dog=20bond=20ad=20training=20up=20best=20for=20a=20couple=20of=20rea=
sons.

The=20Denver=20metropolitan=20area=20offers=20you=20more=20choices=20ad=20
opportunities=20to=20work=20your=20dog=20on=20off=20hours.

I=20don=92t=20know=20how=20much=20one=20can=20do=20out=20in=20a=20place=20l=
ike=20Roustin.=20I=20
have=20a=20perception=20that=20the=20Louisiana=20Center=20is=20way=20in=20t=
he=20middle=20
of=20nowhere,=20so=20if=20I=20had=20a=20dog,=20or=20wanted=20to=20learn=20c=
ity=20living=20
mobility=20skills,=20I=92d=20avoid=20it.

I=20wish=20I=20knew=20more=20about=20other=20centers=20to=20tell=20you,=20S=
ofia,=20but=20no=20
matter=20what=20I=20say,=20there=20will=20be=20a=20push=20to=20say=20the=20=
center=20i=20
brought=20up=20is=20custodial,=20or=20substandard,=20which=20may=20or=20may=
=20not=20be=20
true.

You=20are=20the=20one=20ultimately=20responsible=20for=20making=20your=20ch=
oice,=20
and=20it=20seems=20you=20are=20doing=20a=20great=20job=20at=20asking=20for=
=20information=20
and=20researching.
You=20might=20eat=20to=20talk=20to=20staff,=20and=20students=20at=20each=20=
potential=20
training=20center,=20and=20do=20your=20best=20to=20get=20past=20the=20hype.=
=20Any=20
center=20r=20director=20you=20talk=20to=20wants=20to=20recruit=20you=20as=20=
a=20student.=20
I=20can=92t=20blame=20them.=20They=20work=20for=20and=20run=20the=20best=20=
center=20around,=20
no=20matter=20what=20that=20center=20is.

You=20might=20be=20willing=20to=20leave=20your=20dog=20with=20an=20instruct=
or,=20under=20
their=20desk=20from=208:30=20to=204:00,=20and=20work=20your=20dog=20in=20th=
e=20community=20
after=20hours.=20That=20might=20work=20well=20if=20you=20work=20at=20it,=20=
even=20though=20
I=20agree=20you=92re=20giving=20up=20some=20bonding=20and=20hard=20training=
=20from=20the=20
schools=20and=20your=20time=20with=20the=20animal.

The=20truth=20of=20the=20matter=20is=20the=20NFB=20centers=20do=20not=20hav=
e=20dog=20
trainers=20on=20hand,=20they=20employ=20mobility=20instructors.=20Mobility=
=20
instructors=20in=20my=20opinion=20should=20be=20well=20versed=20in=20traini=
ng=20blind=20
people=20to=20navigate=20with=20a=20dog,=20cane,=20and=20a=20hybrid=20appro=
ach.

I=20also=20don=92t=20think=20a=20blind=20mobility=20instructor=20can=20adeq=
uately=20
observe=20the=20intricacies=20of=20a=20blind=20person=20and=20dog=20guide=20=
team=20to=20
provide=20adequate=20services=20and=20training.

Others=20certainly=20feel=20otherwise,=20which=20is=20an=20interesting=20de=
bate=20
for=20a=20noter=20time.

NFB=20centers=20work=20with=20blind=20instructors,=20and=20blind=20mobility=
=20
trainers=20are=20able=20to=20train=20blind=20students=20in=20the=20use=20of=
=20the=20cane.

I=20for=20one=20wonder=20what=20guide=20dog=20training=20schools=20would=20=
think,=20
say,=20or=20do=20if=20NFB=20centers=20started=20training=20blind=20people=20=
to=20
navigate=20with=20their=20dogs.

It=20would=20be=20interesting=20to=20partner=20with=20dog=20guide=20schools=
=20to=20
offer=20services=20to=20dog=20users=20at=20an=20NFB=20center,=20even=20if=20=
at=20a=20very=20
limited=20basis,=20but=20that=20is=20too=20far=20outside=20the=20NFB=20box=
=20to=20ever=20
happen.

All=20that=20said,=20Sofia,=20you=20could=20get=20a=20lot=20out=20of=20trai=
ning=20at=20an=20
NFB=20center.=20It=20may=20be=20the=20best=20option=20available=20to=20you.=


I=20wish=20you=20luck,=20and=20hope=20you=20find=20the=20center=20tat=20bes=
t=20suits=20you.

Best,

Antonio

On=20Aug=209,=202014,=20at=207:29=20AM,=20Sofia=20Gallo=20via=20nabs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Yea,=20I'd=20be=20interested=20to=20know=20how=20people=20handled=20it=20=
since=20it=20
doesn't=20sound=20like=20I=20can=20work=20with=20my=20dog=20a=20lot.

=20Beth,=20that's=20scary!=20I=20wouldn't=20want=20to=20risk=20that.

=20I'll=20definitely=20contact=20the=20directors.

=20Sofia

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Aug=209,=202014,=20at=206:32=20AM,=20Beth=20Taurasi=20via=20nabs-l=
=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20There's=20a=20problem=20with=20guiide=20dogs=20and=20training.=20=20Ther=
e's=20the=20
possibility=20of=20separation=20anxiety=20for=20the=20dog,=20which=20one=20=
of=20my=20FB=20
friends=20wrote=20in=20a=20heartrending=20manner.=20=20She's=20not=20gettin=
g=20her=20
dog=20back=20due=20to=20traiing.
=20Beth

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Miso=20Kwak=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Sat,=209=20Aug=202014=2000:34:40=20-0400=20(EDT)
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20Training=20centers

=20Hello,
=20I=20am=20sure=20some=20people=20on=20this=20list=20have=20experience=20o=
f=20attending=20
an=20NFB
=20center=20with=20a=20guide=20dog.
=20I=20know=20that=20Pam=20Allen=20who=20is=20the=20director=20of=20Louisia=
na=20Center=20
for=20the
=20Blind=20did=20her=20training=20when=20she=20had=20a=20guide=20dog.=20I=20=
was=20in=20
contact=20with
=20her=20regarding=20related=20issues=20and=20she=20told=20me=20this.=20You=
=20may=20want=20
to
=20contact=20her.
=20Miso=20Kwak

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Sofia=20Gallo=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20Matthew=20Dierckens=20<matt.dierckens at me.com
=20Cc:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Sent:=20Fri,=20Aug=208,=202014=206:58=20pm
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20Training=20centers

=20That=20unfortunately=20doesn't=20sound=20like=20enough=20to=20maintain=20=
a=20
working
=20relationship=20with=20a=20dog.

=20Are=20there=20centers=20not=20affiliated=20with=20NFB?

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Aug=208,=202014,=20at=203:21=20PM,=20Matthew=20Dierckens=20
<matt.dierckens at me.com
=20wrote:

=20You=20use=20an=20NFB=20straight=20cane=20from=208:00=20AM=20to=204:30=20=
PM.
=20You're=20free=20to=20use=20your=20dog=20to=20go=20to=20and=20from=20the=
=20apartments,=20
and
=20obviously=20to=20relieve=20the=20dog.

=20Matthew=20Dierckens
=20Macintosh=20Trainer
=20Blind=20Access=20Training
=20www.blindaccesstraining.com
=201-877-774-7670,=20extension=203
=20matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
=20Introduction=20to=20the=20Macintosh=20Operating=20system=20and=20voiceov=
er=20
course
=20available=20now.=20Spots=20are=20limited,=20sign=20up=20here
=20http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/

=20On=20Aug=208,=202014,=20at=2013:55,=20Sofia=20Gallo=20via=20nabs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20wrote:

=20Hi

=20I=20also=20have=20a=20question=20about=20the=20training=20center:=20I=20=
really=20want=20
to=20go
=20to=20one=20some=20time=20soon=20because=20it=20would=20help=20me=20addre=
ss=20areas=20
that=20I
=20need=20work=20in=20like=20navigating=20unfamiliar=20places=20and=20impro=
ving
=20independent=20living=20skills.=20However,=20I've=20heard=20that=20the=20=
centers=20
don't
=20let=20us=20work=20with=20guide=20dogs=20--=20we=20can=20only=20do=20that=
=20in=20our=20free=20
time.
=20I've=20felt=20a=20lot=20safer=20and=20more=20independent=20with=20my=20d=
og,=20and=20I=20
can't
=20just=20stop=20working=20with=20her=20for=209=20months,=20which=20keeps=20=
me=20from
=20considering=20a=20center=20even=20though=20it=20would=20really=20help=20=
me.=20Does=20
anyone
=20have=20any=20input=20or=20does=20anyone=20know=20someone=20who=20has=20g=
one=20with=20a=20
guide
=20dog?

=20Thanks!

=20Sofia

=20On=208/8/14,=20Candice=20Chapman=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20=
wrote:
=20Hi=20Roanna,

=20You're=20right.=20Talking=20with=20family=20and=20your=20rehab=20counsel=
or=20is
=20important,=20but
=20another=20important=20place=20to=20start=20is=20the=20NFB=20center=20you=
=20want=20to
=20attend.=20The
=20center=20can=20be=20helpful=20in=20assisting=20with=20issues=20you=20may=
=20have=20with
=20rehab.

=20Best=20if=20luck=20with=20your=20research.

=20Best,

=20Candice=20Chapman

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Aug=207,=202014,=20at=208:43=20AM,=20Roanna=20Bacchus=20via=20nabs-=
l
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20wrote:

=20Dear=20Nabs=20Members,

=20I=20have=20a=20question=20for=20all=20of=20you.=20=20How=20would=20you=20=
prepare=20to=20
attend
=20one=20of
=20the=20Nfb=20training=20centers?=20I=20know=20that=20you=20have=20to=20di=
scuss
=20attending=20one=20of
=20these=20facilities=20with=20your=20vocational=20rehab=20counselor=20sinc=
e=20they
=20are=20out
=20of=20state.=20=20I'm=20assuming=20that=20each=20of=20you=20spoke=20to=20=
your=20families
=20before
=20planning=20to=20attend=20one=20of=20these=20centers.=20=20I'd=20like=20t=
o=20hear=20your
=20stories
=20about=20preparing=20to=20attend=20an=20Nfb=20training=20center.

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