From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 00:37:23 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:37:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership Call Rescheduled
Message-ID: <CAKQ+JjxACMEmdE2WV4J5rD2A09owxxSGQHOazohKOqrMP2L=bA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Due to technical difficulties we will be rescheduling the membership
call that was supposed to be held this evening. The membership call
will be on the same subject matter as previously announced.

The rescheduled call will be held on December 7th, 2014. Here's the
call-in info: 605-475-6700, code: 7869673.

Also, it was brought to my attention that the suggestions for
membership calls didn't get out to you guys either. Please find those
attached. It would helpful to the membership committee if you are
planning to attend the call that you look at this list ahead of time
and let us know which, if any, of the topics would be of interest to
you. You can send feedback to me at: chapman.candicel at gmail.com.
Also, if you don't notice your response from the survey on this list,
never fear! Some of you are very like minded, so I only included one
of each suggestion!

Thanks for your participation, and sorry about the confusion!


Best,

Candice
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 01:44:03 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:44:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarship for washington seminar
Message-ID: <D4E7247C-3EDB-472E-B892-0FD38D44C035@gmail.com>

Hey 
Does anyone know how i can apply for a scholarship for washington seminar?
I am from georgia and i do not have any information about it. 

Shikha. 


From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 01:56:08 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:56:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarship for washington seminar
In-Reply-To: <D4E7247C-3EDB-472E-B892-0FD38D44C035@gmail.com>
References: <D4E7247C-3EDB-472E-B892-0FD38D44C035@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPsbEx4m-tdu40Yi9QYg27x5N3P4Cpm4iV+CuSLhC7wfCQ@mail.gmail.com>

There's a scholarship for Washington Seminar?
That's the first time I hear of it.
I'm definitely interested as well.




On 11/30/14, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey
> Does anyone know how i can apply for a scholarship for washington seminar?
> I am from georgia and i do not have any information about it.
>
> Shikha.
>
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 02:05:00 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:05:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarship for washington seminar
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPsbEx4m-tdu40Yi9QYg27x5N3P4Cpm4iV+CuSLhC7wfCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D4E7247C-3EDB-472E-B892-0FD38D44C035@gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPsbEx4m-tdu40Yi9QYg27x5N3P4Cpm4iV+CuSLhC7wfCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEDB3658-22ED-48BA-B283-BFB702BA59E3@gmail.com>

Hey! I really didn't know about it either. I'm interested about it as well! Thanks and God bless! 

Helga  Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:56 PM, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> There's a scholarship for Washington Seminar?
> That's the first time I hear of it.
> I'm definitely interested as well.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/30/14, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hey
>> Does anyone know how i can apply for a scholarship for washington seminar?
>> I am from georgia and i do not have any information about it.
>> 
>> Shikha.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> 
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Dec  1 02:07:13 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:07:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+
In-Reply-To: <8D026A6D2DA84E78B518267ABBB7B611@Helga>
References: <8D026A6D2DA84E78B518267ABBB7B611@Helga>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP183FFAC8BF5B18468E4679ACE7D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Helga, I do not have either one of the phone that you're looking into getting, but the battery question I can definitely answer that for you. These are called external batteries and pretty much it say battery charger. So you unplug one end of the cord into the USB port on the phone, and then plug another in the battery pack that will charge your phone.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:59 AM, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! how are you all? These questions might sound silly, but I'm just curious! How many of you here by the iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+? Do you like it? What kind of features they have? I'm just wondering since I'm thinking some day buying one of them! Some of my friends told me that they are bigger and that they have many cool things!, like that you can see two emails at the same time! I just would like to hear your opinion about them, since I would not like to to make the wrong decision in buying one of them. I actually have an iPhone 5 and I would like to have one of them. And also, I just wanted to ask you, do you know about some kind of battery that work with the iPhones in order not to bring a charger to places? Someone told me that yu can have some kind of battery that you can charge at home, and then you can take it to different places, and when your iPhone dies, you can put this battery as a replacement! Do you know about anything about this kind of battery? I’m just wondering. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much for all your time and have a nice day. God bless!
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students 
> Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research 
> 
> Phone: (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 02:22:32 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:22:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarship for washington seminar
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPsbEx4m-tdu40Yi9QYg27x5N3P4Cpm4iV+CuSLhC7wfCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D4E7247C-3EDB-472E-B892-0FD38D44C035@gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPsbEx4m-tdu40Yi9QYg27x5N3P4Cpm4iV+CuSLhC7wfCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdxz1t08mnv2zLj6-9WJGX9yoaMJMN4-MHizqsr+i+J_Rw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Shikha and Jorge,

There is no national scholarship program to assist people in attending
Washington Seminar.

I am unaware of individual affiliate programs but have not ever gone
to Washington Seminar with an affiliate that had an organized
application-based scholarship program to assist Washington Seminar
attendees with travel costs.

Washington Seminar is a somewhat smaller gathering in comparison to
the national convention. We have about 500 members attend each year.
In my experience, communicating with my affiliate president was the
best way I knew information about my affiliate's representation at
Washington Seminar. The first time I went, it was my first national
NFB event. I was very enthusiastic about Washington Seminar and had
recently helped to reinstate the NC Association of Blind Students. So
the president of the NC affiliate and the board saw it fit to sponsor
my attendance. It was an incredible experience that hooked me to the
NFB. In subsequent years, I kept in communication with my affiliate
president about Washington Seminar starting in the fall. Because I
lived in NC, it was relatively easy to get to Washington; we all
chipped in for a van ride north. Through fundraising with NCABS and my
local chapter, I often obtained assistance. However, this was always
initiated by me. This is similar with affiliate assistance with
national convention. I was proactive year round in being an active
fundraiser and otherwise volunteer in my affiliate. Similarly, I was
enthusiastic about the legislative process and participated in state
efforts during the year when we needed to contact state and national
representatives about important legislation. From the beginning, I
expressed interest in planning the appointments with congress during
Washington Seminar, so before my fourth,  fifth, and sixth seminars, I
did this. Since I played an instrumental role in planning
appointments, it was pretty easy to get assistance from my affiliate.
However, I have typically had to front some of my cost each year  and
know several members who do this.

Now that I live in Washington, I am experiencing a very different
process related to Washington Seminar. Because I live so far away, it
is quite a bit more expensive to send people. So interested members
must be extra proactive in communicating with the affiliate president
ahead of time. My first year in Washington, I asked to plan the
appointments and did just that, thus I got to go, and my attendance
was pretty well financed by the affiliate because of the cost and
since only two to three members go each year. However, I missed last
year's seminar and am missing this year's partially because we try to
cycle through members who want to go, giving them turns. It really
doesn't matter how enthusiastic I am about our legislative
initiatives; until I can fully finance myself, I can't go every year
given Washington's distance from D.C. and our affiliate finances. This
is a different process and has been somewhat hard to get used to since
I was so used to very easily getting to Seminar when I lived in NC due
to the proximity. However, I wanted to bring it up to show how
different affiliates approach Seminar differently. Some are very
organized; the board decides who will go. Other states don't really
care; anyone can go although not all may receive financial assistance.

I would encourage anyone who is interested in going to Washington
Seminar to get in touch with their affiliate president immediately if
you haven't already. Since plans are well in the works for the 2015
seminar, don't be discouraged if it doesn't work out. However, if it
is an event that you don't want to miss in 2016, make sure you are
being proactive by participating in legislative action calls during
the year and for the billionth time, maintaining communication with
your affiliate president. If anyone would like some assistance
contacting their affiliate president, I would encourage you to first
reach out to any affiliate members you know, your NABS regional rep
which can be found by visiting www.nabslink.org, and anyone can of
course email me if they would like assistance or advice on how to
establish and maintain relationships with their affiliate president
and board.

For those of you who will be there, we always host a great NABS
seminar along with a fundraiser, and it is always a lot of fun!

Cindy
On 11/30/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> There's a scholarship for Washington Seminar?
> That's the first time I hear of it.
> I'm definitely interested as well.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/30/14, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hey
>> Does anyone know how i can apply for a scholarship for washington
>> seminar?
>> I am from georgia and i do not have any information about it.
>>
>> Shikha.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
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-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Dec  1 02:23:42 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:23:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarship for washington seminar
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPsbEx4m-tdu40Yi9QYg27x5N3P4Cpm4iV+CuSLhC7wfCQ@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <D4E7247C-3EDB-472E-B892-0FD38D44C035@gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPsbEx4m-tdu40Yi9QYg27x5N3P4Cpm4iV+CuSLhC7wfCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000007901508@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Some states aid people in going -- but I am not aware of anything on 
the National level.

Dave

At 07:56 PM 11/30/2014, you wrote:
>There's a scholarship for Washington Seminar?
>That's the first time I hear of it.
>I'm definitely interested as well.
>
>
>
>
>On 11/30/14, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hey
> > Does anyone know how i can apply for a scholarship for washington seminar?
> > I am from georgia and i do not have any information about it.
> >
> > Shikha.

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From clb5590 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 02:35:26 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:35:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP183FFAC8BF5B18468E4679ACE7D0@phx.gbl>
References: <8D026A6D2DA84E78B518267ABBB7B611@Helga>
	<BLU436-SMTP183FFAC8BF5B18468E4679ACE7D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdyf3GnkNi4AiauMiUb5_Ggfwhy5Qgea2q2V8pMFmHRzxg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I recently purchased an iPhone 6. It is my personal opinion that if
you do not use vision and if you are not a photographer, the iPhone 6
will serve you just fine. The 6+ is great if you have functional
vision and if you can use your phone with vision successfully. The
camera is also slightly better. I think this problem is unique to
mostly women who prefer to carry their phone in their pockets, but the
iPhone 6 barely fits in mine; I could never fit the 6+ into my
pockets. I tend to leave my things around, so having a phone that fits
into my pocket is very important to me; this may not be important for
everyone. Plus, I don't use vision to access my phone, so it was
pretty much a no brainer.

iOS 8 has some annoying bugs, but I think the iPhone 6 or 6+ allows
the most access to the most features of iOS8 just as any latest phone
would lend access to the latest features.

I especially like the Health app; I had contemplated buying an
external exercise tracker, but find the iPhone Health app is
sufficient for what I want to track.

I am not sure what you mean by viewing 2 emails at the same time. I
view one email at a time and am not sure how you would do this. I can
view several email subjects at once, and I suppose you can view more
at once if your screen is bigger, but that is not a new feature in
iOS8 that I have heard about.

Unless you are a super power user or if you don't have access to power
regularly, I don't think you need an external battery pack. For
perspective, I typically run my phone's charge down to 10% if I am out
for 15 hours; this happens a couple times a week when I do things
after school before going home. But I am a power user. I am constantly
on my phone. I check my email, read NPR, school papers, or stream
music on the bus. I use my GPS when I walk around sometimes, and I use
a plethora of other apps. I am constantly texting and checking one
email account on my phone while I have another open on my computer. I
think that I tend to use my phone a lot, and there have been very few
days when I wish I had a battery. Most of the time this happens is if
I forgot to charge my phone the night before. I sometimes forget to
charge my phone if it is still at a high percentage when I go to bed.
If you have regular access to a computer or wall outlet, it would be
less bulky to just buy an extra charge.

So, those are my opinions on the new iPhones and the necessity of an
external battery.

Cindy



On 11/30/14, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Helga, I do not have either one of the phone that you're looking into
> getting, but the battery question I can definitely answer that for you.
> These are called external batteries and pretty much it say  battery charger.
> So you unplug one end of the cord into the USB port on the phone, and then
> plug another in the battery pack that will charge your phone.
> Joseph Hudson
> jhud7789 at outlook.com
>
>
>
>> On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:59 AM, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all! how are you all? These questions might sound silly, but I'm just
>> curious! How many of you here by the iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+? Do you like
>> it? What kind of features they have? I'm just wondering since I'm thinking
>> some day buying one of them! Some of my friends told me that they are
>> bigger and that they have many cool things!, like that you can see two
>> emails at the same time! I just would like to hear your opinion about
>> them, since I would not like to to make the wrong decision in buying one
>> of them. I actually have an iPhone 5 and I would like to have one of them.
>> And also, I just wanted to ask you, do you know about some kind of battery
>> that work with the iPhones in order not to bring a charger to places?
>> Someone told me that yu can have some kind of battery that you can charge
>> at home, and then you can take it to different places, and when your
>> iPhone dies, you can put this battery as a replacement! Do you know about
>> anything about this kind of battery? I'm just wondering. Hope to hear from
>> you soon. Thanks so much for all your time and have a nice day. God bless!
>> Helga Schreiber
>>
>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>> Blind Students
>> Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research
>>
>> Phone: (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>
>
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>


-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 02:40:27 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:40:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] MS Word 2013 Spell Check with JAWS 16
Message-ID: <CACUFQdy9XZb6XdzeUMXNR1UDMXJe8zwSS9HXW9JCd9sNvtbfmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I use JAWS 16 and MS Word 2013. I just got Office 2013 and noticed
that spell check in word operates differently and more annoyingly in
Word than it does in other applications such as PowerPoint and Excel.
Does anyone have advice for navigating the spell check in Word more
easily?



-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 02:54:36 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:54:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Time for rescheduled membership call
Message-ID: <136379EA-BC44-49D3-8E6F-97E693C084CC@gmail.com>

Hey guys, 

The call for December 7th will be at 6 p.m. 

Thanks! 

Candice

Sent from my iPhone


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 03:15:28 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 22:15:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdyf3GnkNi4AiauMiUb5_Ggfwhy5Qgea2q2V8pMFmHRzxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8D026A6D2DA84E78B518267ABBB7B611@Helga>
	<BLU436-SMTP183FFAC8BF5B18468E4679ACE7D0@phx.gbl>
	<CACUFQdyf3GnkNi4AiauMiUb5_Ggfwhy5Qgea2q2V8pMFmHRzxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FY-fsnk1CeuwuDSVQpFA9v1vm6fDO1YawhgWfj-oTbzjw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

What I typically do for powering my IPhone is just carry around an
extra cord (I leave my wall outlet adapter and my usual chord in my
house).  As long as I have my laptop with me, which is most of the
time, I can just feed off of my computer battery.  I typically carry
my computer charger with me as well since there are some days when I
use my computer a lot, so I never have to worry about bringing the
wall adapter anyway.  However, I do love my external battery charger
for when I'm really busy with stuff that isn't school related.  E.G, I
do a bunch of things with my fraternity on a Saturday, then decide to
go out to dinner or somewhere with a friend.  The external battery I
have charges via a USB to mini USB connection or USB to USB
connection, and then stores the charge for several days before you
have to charge it again if you don't use it during that time.  Another
reason why I just carry the charger chord for my IPhone around is that
the USB end of the charger chord plugs right into the external
battery.  I've heard that there are cases which can serve as externals
as well, though I've seen a wide range of opinions on those.

I will provide the disclaimer, like Cindy, that I consider myself to
be a super-user.  I use my IPhone for emailing, recording, accessing
Dropbox, and reading articles and making phone calls on a daily basis.
I'm also still using an IPhone4, and the battery life of that has
deteriorated with time as well  If you're not on your phone all the
time whenever you're not sitting in class and it's up-to-date, I think
you would probably be fine without an external charge.

On 11/30/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I recently purchased an iPhone 6. It is my personal opinion that if
> you do not use vision and if you are not a photographer, the iPhone 6
> will serve you just fine. The 6+ is great if you have functional
> vision and if you can use your phone with vision successfully. The
> camera is also slightly better. I think this problem is unique to
> mostly women who prefer to carry their phone in their pockets, but the
> iPhone 6 barely fits in mine; I could never fit the 6+ into my
> pockets. I tend to leave my things around, so having a phone that fits
> into my pocket is very important to me; this may not be important for
> everyone. Plus, I don't use vision to access my phone, so it was
> pretty much a no brainer.
>
> iOS 8 has some annoying bugs, but I think the iPhone 6 or 6+ allows
> the most access to the most features of iOS8 just as any latest phone
> would lend access to the latest features.
>
> I especially like the Health app; I had contemplated buying an
> external exercise tracker, but find the iPhone Health app is
> sufficient for what I want to track.
>
> I am not sure what you mean by viewing 2 emails at the same time. I
> view one email at a time and am not sure how you would do this. I can
> view several email subjects at once, and I suppose you can view more
> at once if your screen is bigger, but that is not a new feature in
> iOS8 that I have heard about.
>
> Unless you are a super power user or if you don't have access to power
> regularly, I don't think you need an external battery pack. For
> perspective, I typically run my phone's charge down to 10% if I am out
> for 15 hours; this happens a couple times a week when I do things
> after school before going home. But I am a power user. I am constantly
> on my phone. I check my email, read NPR, school papers, or stream
> music on the bus. I use my GPS when I walk around sometimes, and I use
> a plethora of other apps. I am constantly texting and checking one
> email account on my phone while I have another open on my computer. I
> think that I tend to use my phone a lot, and there have been very few
> days when I wish I had a battery. Most of the time this happens is if
> I forgot to charge my phone the night before. I sometimes forget to
> charge my phone if it is still at a high percentage when I go to bed.
> If you have regular access to a computer or wall outlet, it would be
> less bulky to just buy an extra charge.
>
> So, those are my opinions on the new iPhones and the necessity of an
> external battery.
>
> Cindy
>
>
>
> On 11/30/14, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Helga, I do not have either one of the phone that you're looking into
>> getting, but the battery question I can definitely answer that for you.
>> These are called external batteries and pretty much it say  battery
>> charger.
>> So you unplug one end of the cord into the USB port on the phone, and
>> then
>> plug another in the battery pack that will charge your phone.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> jhud7789 at outlook.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:59 AM, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all! how are you all? These questions might sound silly, but I'm just
>>> curious! How many of you here by the iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+? Do you like
>>> it? What kind of features they have? I'm just wondering since I'm
>>> thinking
>>> some day buying one of them! Some of my friends told me that they are
>>> bigger and that they have many cool things!, like that you can see two
>>> emails at the same time! I just would like to hear your opinion about
>>> them, since I would not like to to make the wrong decision in buying one
>>> of them. I actually have an iPhone 5 and I would like to have one of
>>> them.
>>> And also, I just wanted to ask you, do you know about some kind of
>>> battery
>>> that work with the iPhones in order not to bring a charger to places?
>>> Someone told me that yu can have some kind of battery that you can
>>> charge
>>> at home, and then you can take it to different places, and when your
>>> iPhone dies, you can put this battery as a replacement! Do you know
>>> about
>>> anything about this kind of battery? I'm just wondering. Hope to hear
>>> from
>>> you soon. Thanks so much for all your time and have a nice day. God
>>> bless!
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>
>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>> Blind Students
>>> Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research
>>>
>>> Phone: (561) 706-5950
>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
>>> 3:16
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Washington
> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>
> clb5590 at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 04:07:15 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:07:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail Undo Button question
Message-ID: <CAFja7FayZCPenAXRr2xk3dxD_8aHrSP0JyFQi7e410kpVwc44Q@mail.gmail.com>

HI all,

One of my roommates just told the rest of us that GMail has an "undo"
feature. In the standard version of Gmail, this option can be turned
on by going to settings>labs>enable send undo (I believe that last one
is correct but I know the first two steps are right).

I'm pretty careful to check emails before sending them to my
professors, but it would be a cool feature to have if it can be turned
on in the basic HTML version of gmail.  My roommate says she's used it
when she finds a spelling error after she's sent an email, so she can
"Undo" the send, fix the error, and send the message again.  For her,
the "Your message has been sent" banner is where the undo button shows
up.

Any ideas how to do this?

Thanks,

-- 
Kaiti


From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 04:34:41 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 20:34:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail Undo Button question
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FayZCPenAXRr2xk3dxD_8aHrSP0JyFQi7e410kpVwc44Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FayZCPenAXRr2xk3dxD_8aHrSP0JyFQi7e410kpVwc44Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPv4u2b9Pw9b1pXn90VSNrSNvCXAGxN2zrAgub8_j8DjoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kaiti:
Yes, my vision teacher told me about the feature in June or so.
There is no way.
JAWS can't read it in standard mode, and there is no access to the
labs in html basic.
I even tried Voice Over on Chrome, which is usually the most
google-friendly option but even then that particular function didn't
work.
I agree though, it'd be cool if someone figured out a way to make it
work with screenreaders though.




On 11/30/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> HI all,
>
> One of my roommates just told the rest of us that GMail has an "undo"
> feature. In the standard version of Gmail, this option can be turned
> on by going to settings>labs>enable send undo (I believe that last one
> is correct but I know the first two steps are right).
>
> I'm pretty careful to check emails before sending them to my
> professors, but it would be a cool feature to have if it can be turned
> on in the basic HTML version of gmail.  My roommate says she's used it
> when she finds a spelling error after she's sent an email, so she can
> "Undo" the send, fix the error, and send the message again.  For her,
> the "Your message has been sent" banner is where the undo button shows
> up.
>
> Any ideas how to do this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Kaiti
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 04:51:34 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:51:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FY-fsnk1CeuwuDSVQpFA9v1vm6fDO1YawhgWfj-oTbzjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8D026A6D2DA84E78B518267ABBB7B611@Helga>
	<BLU436-SMTP183FFAC8BF5B18468E4679ACE7D0@phx.gbl>
	<CACUFQdyf3GnkNi4AiauMiUb5_Ggfwhy5Qgea2q2V8pMFmHRzxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FY-fsnk1CeuwuDSVQpFA9v1vm6fDO1YawhgWfj-oTbzjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3741E464-A9C5-4C17-BDEC-F2A68718108C@gmail.com>

Hi everyone! Thanks so much for all your suggestions! I'm actually totally blind, and I'm probably thinking in buying an iPhone 6+ because since it has a good camera feature, one of my family members can take pictures with it whenever I attend an important event! I'm not so so good in taking pictures! LOL! And also just to let you kno, I'm particularly an iPhone user, i use my iPhone 5 for everything, more than I use my computer since i don't usually bring my computer with me to College. And I really would like to have an external battery since I particularly can't find a plog in order to connect my phone charger, and also because I'm usually all day long at school since i do many activities!  And I really don't like to carry my charger around! Where can I buy an external battery? And does this external battercocmes with its own USV plog? And how much usually does the external battery cost? I'm just wondering. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Nov 30, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> What I typically do for powering my IPhone is just carry around an
> extra cord (I leave my wall outlet adapter and my usual chord in my
> house).  As long as I have my laptop with me, which is most of the
> time, I can just feed off of my computer battery.  I typically carry
> my computer charger with me as well since there are some days when I
> use my computer a lot, so I never have to worry about bringing the
> wall adapter anyway.  However, I do love my external battery charger
> for when I'm really busy with stuff that isn't school related.  E.G, I
> do a bunch of things with my fraternity on a Saturday, then decide to
> go out to dinner or somewhere with a friend.  The external battery I
> have charges via a USB to mini USB connection or USB to USB
> connection, and then stores the charge for several days before you
> have to charge it again if you don't use it during that time.  Another
> reason why I just carry the charger chord for my IPhone around is that
> the USB end of the charger chord plugs right into the external
> battery.  I've heard that there are cases which can serve as externals
> as well, though I've seen a wide range of opinions on those.
> 
> I will provide the disclaimer, like Cindy, that I consider myself to
> be a super-user.  I use my IPhone for emailing, recording, accessing
> Dropbox, and reading articles and making phone calls on a daily basis.
> I'm also still using an IPhone4, and the battery life of that has
> deteriorated with time as well  If you're not on your phone all the
> time whenever you're not sitting in class and it's up-to-date, I think
> you would probably be fine without an external charge.
> 
>> On 11/30/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I recently purchased an iPhone 6. It is my personal opinion that if
>> you do not use vision and if you are not a photographer, the iPhone 6
>> will serve you just fine. The 6+ is great if you have functional
>> vision and if you can use your phone with vision successfully. The
>> camera is also slightly better. I think this problem is unique to
>> mostly women who prefer to carry their phone in their pockets, but the
>> iPhone 6 barely fits in mine; I could never fit the 6+ into my
>> pockets. I tend to leave my things around, so having a phone that fits
>> into my pocket is very important to me; this may not be important for
>> everyone. Plus, I don't use vision to access my phone, so it was
>> pretty much a no brainer.
>> 
>> iOS 8 has some annoying bugs, but I think the iPhone 6 or 6+ allows
>> the most access to the most features of iOS8 just as any latest phone
>> would lend access to the latest features.
>> 
>> I especially like the Health app; I had contemplated buying an
>> external exercise tracker, but find the iPhone Health app is
>> sufficient for what I want to track.
>> 
>> I am not sure what you mean by viewing 2 emails at the same time. I
>> view one email at a time and am not sure how you would do this. I can
>> view several email subjects at once, and I suppose you can view more
>> at once if your screen is bigger, but that is not a new feature in
>> iOS8 that I have heard about.
>> 
>> Unless you are a super power user or if you don't have access to power
>> regularly, I don't think you need an external battery pack. For
>> perspective, I typically run my phone's charge down to 10% if I am out
>> for 15 hours; this happens a couple times a week when I do things
>> after school before going home. But I am a power user. I am constantly
>> on my phone. I check my email, read NPR, school papers, or stream
>> music on the bus. I use my GPS when I walk around sometimes, and I use
>> a plethora of other apps. I am constantly texting and checking one
>> email account on my phone while I have another open on my computer. I
>> think that I tend to use my phone a lot, and there have been very few
>> days when I wish I had a battery. Most of the time this happens is if
>> I forgot to charge my phone the night before. I sometimes forget to
>> charge my phone if it is still at a high percentage when I go to bed.
>> If you have regular access to a computer or wall outlet, it would be
>> less bulky to just buy an extra charge.
>> 
>> So, those are my opinions on the new iPhones and the necessity of an
>> external battery.
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/30/14, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Helga, I do not have either one of the phone that you're looking into
>>> getting, but the battery question I can definitely answer that for you.
>>> These are called external batteries and pretty much it say  battery
>>> charger.
>>> So you unplug one end of the cord into the USB port on the phone, and
>>> then
>>> plug another in the battery pack that will charge your phone.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> jhud7789 at outlook.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:59 AM, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all! how are you all? These questions might sound silly, but I'm just
>>>> curious! How many of you here by the iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+? Do you like
>>>> it? What kind of features they have? I'm just wondering since I'm
>>>> thinking
>>>> some day buying one of them! Some of my friends told me that they are
>>>> bigger and that they have many cool things!, like that you can see two
>>>> emails at the same time! I just would like to hear your opinion about
>>>> them, since I would not like to to make the wrong decision in buying one
>>>> of them. I actually have an iPhone 5 and I would like to have one of
>>>> them.
>>>> And also, I just wanted to ask you, do you know about some kind of
>>>> battery
>>>> that work with the iPhones in order not to bring a charger to places?
>>>> Someone told me that yu can have some kind of battery that you can
>>>> charge
>>>> at home, and then you can take it to different places, and when your
>>>> iPhone dies, you can put this battery as a replacement! Do you know
>>>> about
>>>> anything about this kind of battery? I'm just wondering. Hope to hear
>>>> from
>>>> you soon. Thanks so much for all your time and have a nice day. God
>>>> bless!
>>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>> 
>>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>>> Blind Students
>>>> Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
>>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research
>>>> 
>>>> Phone: (561) 706-5950
>>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>> 
>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
>>>> 3:16
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Cindy Bennett
>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>> 
>> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>> Federation of the Blind of Washington
>> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>> 
>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 05:17:06 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:17:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+
In-Reply-To: <3741E464-A9C5-4C17-BDEC-F2A68718108C@gmail.com>
References: <8D026A6D2DA84E78B518267ABBB7B611@Helga>
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	<CACUFQdyf3GnkNi4AiauMiUb5_Ggfwhy5Qgea2q2V8pMFmHRzxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FY-fsnk1CeuwuDSVQpFA9v1vm6fDO1YawhgWfj-oTbzjw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3741E464-A9C5-4C17-BDEC-F2A68718108C@gmail.com>
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The charger can be bought in Best Buy, or your carier's store.
I bought mine at my T-Mobile store.
Its about $30 or so.
Its a little cylinder that comes with a cable--its charged soyou don't
have to worry about it.
It has a USB and a Micro USB port.
When you charge it, you simply connect the micro-usb cable to the
charger and charge it off your computer.
I usually charge it before leaving every time and its never failed.
As far as what you do when you're out; simply plug in your iPhone via
USB as you would itno the wall outlit part of the plug.
You'll know its charging when the charger starts to get really warm.
Anyway, if you turn on the charger and the phone is not totally out,
then you'll still hear the usual sound that it makes when its
charging.
Not too expensive and definitely worth the money in my opinion.
Of course, you can get extra battery packs from places like AT-guys,
but the charging cylinder I bought works just fine for me.
Just my recommendation, but like I said, you can buy other battery
packs from places like AT Guys, I believe the site is atguys.com but
not sure.




On 11/30/14, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone! Thanks so much for all your suggestions! I'm actually totally
> blind, and I'm probably thinking in buying an iPhone 6+ because since it has
> a good camera feature, one of my family members can take pictures with it
> whenever I attend an important event! I'm not so so good in taking pictures!
> LOL! And also just to let you kno, I'm particularly an iPhone user, i use my
> iPhone 5 for everything, more than I use my computer since i don't usually
> bring my computer with me to College. And I really would like to have an
> external battery since I particularly can't find a plog in order to connect
> my phone charger, and also because I'm usually all day long at school since
> i do many activities!  And I really don't like to carry my charger around!
> Where can I buy an external battery? And does this external battercocmes
> with its own USV plog? And how much usually does the external battery cost?
> I'm just wondering. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God
> bless!
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 30, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> What I typically do for powering my IPhone is just carry around an
>> extra cord (I leave my wall outlet adapter and my usual chord in my
>> house).  As long as I have my laptop with me, which is most of the
>> time, I can just feed off of my computer battery.  I typically carry
>> my computer charger with me as well since there are some days when I
>> use my computer a lot, so I never have to worry about bringing the
>> wall adapter anyway.  However, I do love my external battery charger
>> for when I'm really busy with stuff that isn't school related.  E.G, I
>> do a bunch of things with my fraternity on a Saturday, then decide to
>> go out to dinner or somewhere with a friend.  The external battery I
>> have charges via a USB to mini USB connection or USB to USB
>> connection, and then stores the charge for several days before you
>> have to charge it again if you don't use it during that time.  Another
>> reason why I just carry the charger chord for my IPhone around is that
>> the USB end of the charger chord plugs right into the external
>> battery.  I've heard that there are cases which can serve as externals
>> as well, though I've seen a wide range of opinions on those.
>>
>> I will provide the disclaimer, like Cindy, that I consider myself to
>> be a super-user.  I use my IPhone for emailing, recording, accessing
>> Dropbox, and reading articles and making phone calls on a daily basis.
>> I'm also still using an IPhone4, and the battery life of that has
>> deteriorated with time as well  If you're not on your phone all the
>> time whenever you're not sitting in class and it's up-to-date, I think
>> you would probably be fine without an external charge.
>>
>>> On 11/30/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I recently purchased an iPhone 6. It is my personal opinion that if
>>> you do not use vision and if you are not a photographer, the iPhone 6
>>> will serve you just fine. The 6+ is great if you have functional
>>> vision and if you can use your phone with vision successfully. The
>>> camera is also slightly better. I think this problem is unique to
>>> mostly women who prefer to carry their phone in their pockets, but the
>>> iPhone 6 barely fits in mine; I could never fit the 6+ into my
>>> pockets. I tend to leave my things around, so having a phone that fits
>>> into my pocket is very important to me; this may not be important for
>>> everyone. Plus, I don't use vision to access my phone, so it was
>>> pretty much a no brainer.
>>>
>>> iOS 8 has some annoying bugs, but I think the iPhone 6 or 6+ allows
>>> the most access to the most features of iOS8 just as any latest phone
>>> would lend access to the latest features.
>>>
>>> I especially like the Health app; I had contemplated buying an
>>> external exercise tracker, but find the iPhone Health app is
>>> sufficient for what I want to track.
>>>
>>> I am not sure what you mean by viewing 2 emails at the same time. I
>>> view one email at a time and am not sure how you would do this. I can
>>> view several email subjects at once, and I suppose you can view more
>>> at once if your screen is bigger, but that is not a new feature in
>>> iOS8 that I have heard about.
>>>
>>> Unless you are a super power user or if you don't have access to power
>>> regularly, I don't think you need an external battery pack. For
>>> perspective, I typically run my phone's charge down to 10% if I am out
>>> for 15 hours; this happens a couple times a week when I do things
>>> after school before going home. But I am a power user. I am constantly
>>> on my phone. I check my email, read NPR, school papers, or stream
>>> music on the bus. I use my GPS when I walk around sometimes, and I use
>>> a plethora of other apps. I am constantly texting and checking one
>>> email account on my phone while I have another open on my computer. I
>>> think that I tend to use my phone a lot, and there have been very few
>>> days when I wish I had a battery. Most of the time this happens is if
>>> I forgot to charge my phone the night before. I sometimes forget to
>>> charge my phone if it is still at a high percentage when I go to bed.
>>> If you have regular access to a computer or wall outlet, it would be
>>> less bulky to just buy an extra charge.
>>>
>>> So, those are my opinions on the new iPhones and the necessity of an
>>> external battery.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 11/30/14, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Helga, I do not have either one of the phone that you're looking
>>>> into
>>>> getting, but the battery question I can definitely answer that for you.
>>>> These are called external batteries and pretty much it say  battery
>>>> charger.
>>>> So you unplug one end of the cord into the USB port on the phone, and
>>>> then
>>>> plug another in the battery pack that will charge your phone.
>>>> Joseph Hudson
>>>> jhud7789 at outlook.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:59 AM, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all! how are you all? These questions might sound silly, but I'm
>>>>> just
>>>>> curious! How many of you here by the iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+? Do you
>>>>> like
>>>>> it? What kind of features they have? I'm just wondering since I'm
>>>>> thinking
>>>>> some day buying one of them! Some of my friends told me that they are
>>>>> bigger and that they have many cool things!, like that you can see two
>>>>> emails at the same time! I just would like to hear your opinion about
>>>>> them, since I would not like to to make the wrong decision in buying
>>>>> one
>>>>> of them. I actually have an iPhone 5 and I would like to have one of
>>>>> them.
>>>>> And also, I just wanted to ask you, do you know about some kind of
>>>>> battery
>>>>> that work with the iPhones in order not to bring a charger to places?
>>>>> Someone told me that yu can have some kind of battery that you can
>>>>> charge
>>>>> at home, and then you can take it to different places, and when your
>>>>> iPhone dies, you can put this battery as a replacement! Do you know
>>>>> about
>>>>> anything about this kind of battery? I'm just wondering. Hope to hear
>>>>> from
>>>>> you soon. Thanks so much for all your time and have a nice day. God
>>>>> bless!
>>>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>>>
>>>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>>>> Blind Students
>>>>> Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
>>>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: (561) 706-5950
>>>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
>>>>> 3:16
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Cindy Bennett
>>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>>
>>> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>>> Federation of the Blind of Washington
>>> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>
>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
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>>
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>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 05:28:24 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:28:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail Undo Button question
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPv4u2b9Pw9b1pXn90VSNrSNvCXAGxN2zrAgub8_j8DjoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FayZCPenAXRr2xk3dxD_8aHrSP0JyFQi7e410kpVwc44Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPv4u2b9Pw9b1pXn90VSNrSNvCXAGxN2zrAgub8_j8DjoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJA_6_7k3UqU=HV_h4ef=yYe+ymNe=oRkBcC=gAxbL5DWA@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if you had a sighted person enable the feature in standard
view, if the undo button would appear after you sent an email in basic
HTML? If that works, you would only need one-time access to a reader.
I might try it sometime.
Arielle

On 11/30/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaiti:
> Yes, my vision teacher told me about the feature in June or so.
> There is no way.
> JAWS can't read it in standard mode, and there is no access to the
> labs in html basic.
> I even tried Voice Over on Chrome, which is usually the most
> google-friendly option but even then that particular function didn't
> work.
> I agree though, it'd be cool if someone figured out a way to make it
> work with screenreaders though.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/30/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> HI all,
>>
>> One of my roommates just told the rest of us that GMail has an "undo"
>> feature. In the standard version of Gmail, this option can be turned
>> on by going to settings>labs>enable send undo (I believe that last one
>> is correct but I know the first two steps are right).
>>
>> I'm pretty careful to check emails before sending them to my
>> professors, but it would be a cool feature to have if it can be turned
>> on in the basic HTML version of gmail.  My roommate says she's used it
>> when she finds a spelling error after she's sent an email, so she can
>> "Undo" the send, fix the error, and send the message again.  For her,
>> the "Your message has been sent" banner is where the undo button shows
>> up.
>>
>> Any ideas how to do this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti
>>
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Dec  1 05:49:35 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:49:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+
In-Reply-To: <3741E464-A9C5-4C17-BDEC-F2A68718108C@gmail.com>
References: <8D026A6D2DA84E78B518267ABBB7B611@Helga>
	<BLU436-SMTP183FFAC8BF5B18468E4679ACE7D0@phx.gbl>
	<CACUFQdyf3GnkNi4AiauMiUb5_Ggfwhy5Qgea2q2V8pMFmHRzxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FY-fsnk1CeuwuDSVQpFA9v1vm6fDO1YawhgWfj-oTbzjw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3741E464-A9C5-4C17-BDEC-F2A68718108C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP58B2C42079A86253417C3DCE7D0@phx.gbl>

Or you're local Best Buy's website as well. The one that I'm going to get hopefully for christmas, will come from Amazon. And it is a really good battery pack it is called the mossy juice pack. And as somebody's aren't pointing out they normally run from about $25-$30 depending on what time you get it.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Nov 30, 2014, at 10:51 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone! Thanks so much for all your suggestions! I'm actually totally blind, and I'm probably thinking in buying an iPhone 6+ because since it has a good camera feature, one of my family members can take pictures with it whenever I attend an important event! I'm not so so good in taking pictures! LOL! And also just to let you kno, I'm particularly an iPhone user, i use my iPhone 5 for everything, more than I use my computer since i don't usually bring my computer with me to College. And I really would like to have an external battery since I particularly can't find a plog in order to connect my phone charger, and also because I'm usually all day long at school since i do many activities!  And I really don't like to carry my charger around! Where can I buy an external battery? And does this external battercocmes with its own USV plog? And how much usually does the external battery cost? I'm just wondering. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> What I typically do for powering my IPhone is just carry around an
>> extra cord (I leave my wall outlet adapter and my usual chord in my
>> house).  As long as I have my laptop with me, which is most of the
>> time, I can just feed off of my computer battery.  I typically carry
>> my computer charger with me as well since there are some days when I
>> use my computer a lot, so I never have to worry about bringing the
>> wall adapter anyway.  However, I do love my external battery charger
>> for when I'm really busy with stuff that isn't school related.  E.G, I
>> do a bunch of things with my fraternity on a Saturday, then decide to
>> go out to dinner or somewhere with a friend.  The external battery I
>> have charges via a USB to mini USB connection or USB to USB
>> connection, and then stores the charge for several days before you
>> have to charge it again if you don't use it during that time.  Another
>> reason why I just carry the charger chord for my IPhone around is that
>> the USB end of the charger chord plugs right into the external
>> battery.  I've heard that there are cases which can serve as externals
>> as well, though I've seen a wide range of opinions on those.
>> 
>> I will provide the disclaimer, like Cindy, that I consider myself to
>> be a super-user.  I use my IPhone for emailing, recording, accessing
>> Dropbox, and reading articles and making phone calls on a daily basis.
>> I'm also still using an IPhone4, and the battery life of that has
>> deteriorated with time as well  If you're not on your phone all the
>> time whenever you're not sitting in class and it's up-to-date, I think
>> you would probably be fine without an external charge.
>> 
>>> On 11/30/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I recently purchased an iPhone 6. It is my personal opinion that if
>>> you do not use vision and if you are not a photographer, the iPhone 6
>>> will serve you just fine. The 6+ is great if you have functional
>>> vision and if you can use your phone with vision successfully. The
>>> camera is also slightly better. I think this problem is unique to
>>> mostly women who prefer to carry their phone in their pockets, but the
>>> iPhone 6 barely fits in mine; I could never fit the 6+ into my
>>> pockets. I tend to leave my things around, so having a phone that fits
>>> into my pocket is very important to me; this may not be important for
>>> everyone. Plus, I don't use vision to access my phone, so it was
>>> pretty much a no brainer.
>>> 
>>> iOS 8 has some annoying bugs, but I think the iPhone 6 or 6+ allows
>>> the most access to the most features of iOS8 just as any latest phone
>>> would lend access to the latest features.
>>> 
>>> I especially like the Health app; I had contemplated buying an
>>> external exercise tracker, but find the iPhone Health app is
>>> sufficient for what I want to track.
>>> 
>>> I am not sure what you mean by viewing 2 emails at the same time. I
>>> view one email at a time and am not sure how you would do this. I can
>>> view several email subjects at once, and I suppose you can view more
>>> at once if your screen is bigger, but that is not a new feature in
>>> iOS8 that I have heard about.
>>> 
>>> Unless you are a super power user or if you don't have access to power
>>> regularly, I don't think you need an external battery pack. For
>>> perspective, I typically run my phone's charge down to 10% if I am out
>>> for 15 hours; this happens a couple times a week when I do things
>>> after school before going home. But I am a power user. I am constantly
>>> on my phone. I check my email, read NPR, school papers, or stream
>>> music on the bus. I use my GPS when I walk around sometimes, and I use
>>> a plethora of other apps. I am constantly texting and checking one
>>> email account on my phone while I have another open on my computer. I
>>> think that I tend to use my phone a lot, and there have been very few
>>> days when I wish I had a battery. Most of the time this happens is if
>>> I forgot to charge my phone the night before. I sometimes forget to
>>> charge my phone if it is still at a high percentage when I go to bed.
>>> If you have regular access to a computer or wall outlet, it would be
>>> less bulky to just buy an extra charge.
>>> 
>>> So, those are my opinions on the new iPhones and the necessity of an
>>> external battery.
>>> 
>>> Cindy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 11/30/14, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Helga, I do not have either one of the phone that you're looking into
>>>> getting, but the battery question I can definitely answer that for you.
>>>> These are called external batteries and pretty much it say  battery
>>>> charger.
>>>> So you unplug one end of the cord into the USB port on the phone, and
>>>> then
>>>> plug another in the battery pack that will charge your phone.
>>>> Joseph Hudson
>>>> jhud7789 at outlook.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:59 AM, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all! how are you all? These questions might sound silly, but I'm just
>>>>> curious! How many of you here by the iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+? Do you like
>>>>> it? What kind of features they have? I'm just wondering since I'm
>>>>> thinking
>>>>> some day buying one of them! Some of my friends told me that they are
>>>>> bigger and that they have many cool things!, like that you can see two
>>>>> emails at the same time! I just would like to hear your opinion about
>>>>> them, since I would not like to to make the wrong decision in buying one
>>>>> of them. I actually have an iPhone 5 and I would like to have one of
>>>>> them.
>>>>> And also, I just wanted to ask you, do you know about some kind of
>>>>> battery
>>>>> that work with the iPhones in order not to bring a charger to places?
>>>>> Someone told me that yu can have some kind of battery that you can
>>>>> charge
>>>>> at home, and then you can take it to different places, and when your
>>>>> iPhone dies, you can put this battery as a replacement! Do you know
>>>>> about
>>>>> anything about this kind of battery? I'm just wondering. Hope to hear
>>>>> from
>>>>> you soon. Thanks so much for all your time and have a nice day. God
>>>>> bless!
>>>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>>> 
>>>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>>>> Blind Students
>>>>> Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
>>>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phone: (561) 706-5950
>>>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>>> 
>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
>>>>> 3:16
>>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> --
>>> Cindy Bennett
>>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>> 
>>> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>>> Federation of the Blind of Washington
>>> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>>> 
>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Kaiti
>> 
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 12:23:40 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 07:23:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Scanner app questions
Message-ID: <13CC79B9-08DA-4A17-A466-39B4D4CB3A2D@gmail.com>

 Hello all, I hope everyone is well. Jorge, please look at your personal email. I sent you a private message. To all I hope you have a great Monday. I wanted to ask you a question, what scanning apps do you recommend, for scanning barcodes etc. because I have Prismo installed. I also have text detective. I hope that you can answer soon. Take care everyone!


sent from my iPhone using voiceover

From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 14:28:00 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:28:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Scanner app questions
In-Reply-To: <13CC79B9-08DA-4A17-A466-39B4D4CB3A2D@gmail.com>
References: <13CC79B9-08DA-4A17-A466-39B4D4CB3A2D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32EE3168-756C-4148-B624-3AFC36270006@gmail.com>

KNFB Reader is wonderful, though expensive ($99.) If you're only scanning bar codes to identify objects, I would suggest TapTapSee.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Dec 1, 2014, at 7:23 AM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all, I hope everyone is well. Jorge, please look at your personal email. I sent you a private message. To all I hope you have a great Monday. I wanted to ask you a question, what scanning apps do you recommend, for scanning barcodes etc. because I have Prismo installed. I also have text detective. I hope that you can answer soon. Take care everyone!
> 
> 
> sent from my iPhone using voiceover
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 14:32:30 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:32:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail Undo Button question
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJA_6_7k3UqU=HV_h4ef=yYe+ymNe=oRkBcC=gAxbL5DWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FayZCPenAXRr2xk3dxD_8aHrSP0JyFQi7e410kpVwc44Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPv4u2b9Pw9b1pXn90VSNrSNvCXAGxN2zrAgub8_j8DjoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJA_6_7k3UqU=HV_h4ef=yYe+ymNe=oRkBcC=gAxbL5DWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FabGdVVMJRy94AP7MhkvWxJ8ZSTWb4ZZF84CG3PQudbww@mail.gmail.com>

That could be worth a shot.  I'm really interested in seeing if this
could work.

On 12/1/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I wonder if you had a sighted person enable the feature in standard
> view, if the undo button would appear after you sent an email in basic
> HTML? If that works, you would only need one-time access to a reader.
> I might try it sometime.
> Arielle
>
> On 11/30/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Kaiti:
>> Yes, my vision teacher told me about the feature in June or so.
>> There is no way.
>> JAWS can't read it in standard mode, and there is no access to the
>> labs in html basic.
>> I even tried Voice Over on Chrome, which is usually the most
>> google-friendly option but even then that particular function didn't
>> work.
>> I agree though, it'd be cool if someone figured out a way to make it
>> work with screenreaders though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> HI all,
>>>
>>> One of my roommates just told the rest of us that GMail has an "undo"
>>> feature. In the standard version of Gmail, this option can be turned
>>> on by going to settings>labs>enable send undo (I believe that last one
>>> is correct but I know the first two steps are right).
>>>
>>> I'm pretty careful to check emails before sending them to my
>>> professors, but it would be a cool feature to have if it can be turned
>>> on in the basic HTML version of gmail.  My roommate says she's used it
>>> when she finds a spelling error after she's sent an email, so she can
>>> "Undo" the send, fix the error, and send the message again.  For her,
>>> the "Your message has been sent" banner is where the undo button shows
>>> up.
>>>
>>> Any ideas how to do this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kaiti
>>>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 14:35:15 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 09:35:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail Undo Button question
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FabGdVVMJRy94AP7MhkvWxJ8ZSTWb4ZZF84CG3PQudbww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FayZCPenAXRr2xk3dxD_8aHrSP0JyFQi7e410kpVwc44Q@mail.gmail.com>	<CAA+vbPv4u2b9Pw9b1pXn90VSNrSNvCXAGxN2zrAgub8_j8DjoQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CALAYQJA_6_7k3UqU=HV_h4ef=yYe+ymNe=oRkBcC=gAxbL5DWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FabGdVVMJRy94AP7MhkvWxJ8ZSTWb4ZZF84CG3PQudbww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00cc01d00d74$0619b5a0$124d20e0$@gmail.com>

Do you folks just type your emails in word, then copy and paste them into
the email?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 9:33 AM
To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail Undo Button question

That could be worth a shot.  I'm really interested in seeing if this could
work.

On 12/1/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I wonder if you had a sighted person enable the feature in standard 
> view, if the undo button would appear after you sent an email in basic 
> HTML? If that works, you would only need one-time access to a reader.
> I might try it sometime.
> Arielle
>
> On 11/30/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Kaiti:
>> Yes, my vision teacher told me about the feature in June or so.
>> There is no way.
>> JAWS can't read it in standard mode, and there is no access to the 
>> labs in html basic.
>> I even tried Voice Over on Chrome, which is usually the most 
>> google-friendly option but even then that particular function didn't 
>> work.
>> I agree though, it'd be cool if someone figured out a way to make it 
>> work with screenreaders though.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/30/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> HI all,
>>>
>>> One of my roommates just told the rest of us that GMail has an "undo"
>>> feature. In the standard version of Gmail, this option can be turned 
>>> on by going to settings>labs>enable send undo (I believe that last 
>>> one is correct but I know the first two steps are right).
>>>
>>> I'm pretty careful to check emails before sending them to my 
>>> professors, but it would be a cool feature to have if it can be 
>>> turned on in the basic HTML version of gmail.  My roommate says 
>>> she's used it when she finds a spelling error after she's sent an 
>>> email, so she can "Undo" the send, fix the error, and send the 
>>> message again.  For her, the "Your message has been sent" banner is 
>>> where the undo button shows up.
>>>
>>> Any ideas how to do this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kaiti
>>>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 15:15:03 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 10:15:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail Undo Button question
In-Reply-To: <00cc01d00d74$0619b5a0$124d20e0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FayZCPenAXRr2xk3dxD_8aHrSP0JyFQi7e410kpVwc44Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPv4u2b9Pw9b1pXn90VSNrSNvCXAGxN2zrAgub8_j8DjoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJA_6_7k3UqU=HV_h4ef=yYe+ymNe=oRkBcC=gAxbL5DWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FabGdVVMJRy94AP7MhkvWxJ8ZSTWb4ZZF84CG3PQudbww@mail.gmail.com>
	<00cc01d00d74$0619b5a0$124d20e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5AC82132-8E34-4A65-9259-3F90A123A56B@gmail.com>

I've never done this, but rather used the email program itself to compose emails. Since I have switched to Outlook for my primary email client, I have found this much easier than the Gmail Web interface.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:35 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Do you folks just type your emails in word, then copy and paste them into
> the email?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 9:33 AM
> To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail Undo Button question
> 
> That could be worth a shot.  I'm really interested in seeing if this could
> work.
> 
>> On 12/1/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I wonder if you had a sighted person enable the feature in standard 
>> view, if the undo button would appear after you sent an email in basic 
>> HTML? If that works, you would only need one-time access to a reader.
>> I might try it sometime.
>> Arielle
>> 
>>> On 11/30/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Kaiti:
>>> Yes, my vision teacher told me about the feature in June or so.
>>> There is no way.
>>> JAWS can't read it in standard mode, and there is no access to the 
>>> labs in html basic.
>>> I even tried Voice Over on Chrome, which is usually the most 
>>> google-friendly option but even then that particular function didn't 
>>> work.
>>> I agree though, it'd be cool if someone figured out a way to make it 
>>> work with screenreaders though.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 11/30/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> HI all,
>>>> 
>>>> One of my roommates just told the rest of us that GMail has an "undo"
>>>> feature. In the standard version of Gmail, this option can be turned 
>>>> on by going to settings>labs>enable send undo (I believe that last 
>>>> one is correct but I know the first two steps are right).
>>>> 
>>>> I'm pretty careful to check emails before sending them to my 
>>>> professors, but it would be a cool feature to have if it can be 
>>>> turned on in the basic HTML version of gmail.  My roommate says 
>>>> she's used it when she finds a spelling error after she's sent an 
>>>> email, so she can "Undo" the send, fix the error, and send the 
>>>> message again.  For her, the "Your message has been sent" banner is 
>>>> where the undo button shows up.
>>>> 
>>>> Any ideas how to do this?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Kaiti
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> 0gmail.com
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> 
> 
> --
> Kaiti
> 
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Dec  1 19:12:53 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:12:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Scanner app questions
In-Reply-To: <32EE3168-756C-4148-B624-3AFC36270006@gmail.com>
References: <13CC79B9-08DA-4A17-A466-39B4D4CB3A2D@gmail.com>
	<32EE3168-756C-4148-B624-3AFC36270006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP19654B96907C1B3946A6725CE7D0@phx.gbl>

Hello Chris, as your information is correct there was a deal going on that I saw posted on the list where you going and purchase hey iTunes gift card first $75, and they'll give your hundred dollar gift card so pretty much you're buying again if the reader for $75. I don't know if this deal is still going on but I'm pretty sure it is.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Dec 1, 2014, at 8:28 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> KNFB Reader is wonderful, though expensive ($99.) If you're only scanning bar codes to identify objects, I would suggest TapTapSee.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD
> 
> "Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2014, at 7:23 AM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all, I hope everyone is well. Jorge, please look at your personal email. I sent you a private message. To all I hope you have a great Monday. I wanted to ask you a question, what scanning apps do you recommend, for scanning barcodes etc. because I have Prismo installed. I also have text detective. I hope that you can answer soon. Take care everyone!
>> 
>> 
>> sent from my iPhone using voiceover
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 20:26:27 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:26:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail Undo Button question
In-Reply-To: <5AC82132-8E34-4A65-9259-3F90A123A56B@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FayZCPenAXRr2xk3dxD_8aHrSP0JyFQi7e410kpVwc44Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPv4u2b9Pw9b1pXn90VSNrSNvCXAGxN2zrAgub8_j8DjoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJA_6_7k3UqU=HV_h4ef=yYe+ymNe=oRkBcC=gAxbL5DWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FabGdVVMJRy94AP7MhkvWxJ8ZSTWb4ZZF84CG3PQudbww@mail.gmail.com>
	<00cc01d00d74$0619b5a0$124d20e0$@gmail.com>
	<5AC82132-8E34-4A65-9259-3F90A123A56B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FakS__S2NLNx-0FdMB_kRivQtYLemur979-=G7=eE3r7w@mail.gmail.com>

I personally don't mind the web interface, and actually prefer it to
outlook.  I have written emails in word before, especially when I want
them to be very prestine and professional.

On 12/1/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I've never done this, but rather used the email program itself to compose
> emails. Since I have switched to Outlook for my primary email client, I have
> found this much easier than the Gmail Web interface.
>
> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD
>
> "Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into
> reality."
>
>> On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:35 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Do you folks just type your emails in word, then copy and paste them into
>> the email?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
>> Shelton
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 9:33 AM
>> To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail Undo Button question
>>
>> That could be worth a shot.  I'm really interested in seeing if this
>> could
>> work.
>>
>>> On 12/1/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I wonder if you had a sighted person enable the feature in standard
>>> view, if the undo button would appear after you sent an email in basic
>>> HTML? If that works, you would only need one-time access to a reader.
>>> I might try it sometime.
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>>> On 11/30/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Kaiti:
>>>> Yes, my vision teacher told me about the feature in June or so.
>>>> There is no way.
>>>> JAWS can't read it in standard mode, and there is no access to the
>>>> labs in html basic.
>>>> I even tried Voice Over on Chrome, which is usually the most
>>>> google-friendly option but even then that particular function didn't
>>>> work.
>>>> I agree though, it'd be cool if someone figured out a way to make it
>>>> work with screenreaders though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/30/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> HI all,
>>>>>
>>>>> One of my roommates just told the rest of us that GMail has an "undo"
>>>>> feature. In the standard version of Gmail, this option can be turned
>>>>> on by going to settings>labs>enable send undo (I believe that last
>>>>> one is correct but I know the first two steps are right).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty careful to check emails before sending them to my
>>>>> professors, but it would be a cool feature to have if it can be
>>>>> turned on in the basic HTML version of gmail.  My roommate says
>>>>> she's used it when she finds a spelling error after she's sent an
>>>>> email, so she can "Undo" the send, fix the error, and send the
>>>>> message again.  For her, the "Your message has been sent" banner is
>>>>> where the undo button shows up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas how to do this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kaiti
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>> for
>>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>>> 0gmail.com
>>>>
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>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 04:07:17 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 20:07:17 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] List Guidelines Reminders
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCJBoiCy+pumyTbY==N27H2-c241c-ap_7_xsTiQD3Vpw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I wanted to get some feedback on how frequently you think would be
appropriate for me to send out the list guidelines. I had originally
intended to post them once a month; however I am wondering if this is
excessive. Opinions welcome!
Arielle


From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 05:33:17 2014
From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (Ryan Bishop)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 22:33:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] List Guidelines Reminders
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCJBoiCy+pumyTbY==N27H2-c241c-ap_7_xsTiQD3Vpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJCJBoiCy+pumyTbY==N27H2-c241c-ap_7_xsTiQD3Vpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <432A3430-7029-432E-9405-A7A693617DC0@gmail.com>

Hi,. I don't think this is excessive. We get new members to the list every day. For those of us that don't need it, we can just delete it but I think it would be important for people to have.. And reminder is good sometimes I do believe..

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:07 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I wanted to get some feedback on how frequently you think would be
> appropriate for me to send out the list guidelines. I had originally
> intended to post them once a month; however I am wondering if this is
> excessive. Opinions welcome!
> Arielle
> 
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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 14:55:34 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 07:55:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] List Guidelines Reminders
In-Reply-To: <432A3430-7029-432E-9405-A7A693617DC0@gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJCJBoiCy+pumyTbY==N27H2-c241c-ap_7_xsTiQD3Vpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<432A3430-7029-432E-9405-A7A693617DC0@gmail.com>
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Arielle,
  From what I've seen, the list needs all the reminding it can get...
Best,
Kirt

On 12/1/14, Ryan Bishop via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,. I don't think this is excessive. We get new members to the list every
> day. For those of us that don't need it, we can just delete it but I think
> it would be important for people to have.. And reminder is good sometimes I
> do believe..
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:07 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I wanted to get some feedback on how frequently you think would be
>> appropriate for me to send out the list guidelines. I had originally
>> intended to post them once a month; however I am wondering if this is
>> excessive. Opinions welcome!
>> Arielle
>>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 15:12:49 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 10:12:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] List Guidelines Reminders
Message-ID: <547dd72a.c71f8c0a.33d1.fffff907@mx.google.com>

Hi Arielle hope things are well with you.  I think the list 
guidelines should be posted on the first day of each month.  The 
guidelines for other Nfb mailing lists should also be posted on 
these lists as well.


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 15:20:48 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 10:20:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] List Guidelines Reminders
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCJBoiCy+pumyTbY==N27H2-c241c-ap_7_xsTiQD3Vpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJCJBoiCy+pumyTbY==N27H2-c241c-ap_7_xsTiQD3Vpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3708DD99-FD34-4CC4-B5F1-8BF342E29E0B@gmail.com>

Arielle,

I don't find it excessive. Though I have been a member of this list for over 3 years now, these guidelines remain a good reminder to me at certain times. I will admit, however, that I don't read all the rules in their entirety every month. Mostly I just skim them and delete the message as I clean out my list email. As a longtime member, observing posts from members who follow the rules over the years provides me with sufficient clarity on the rules.

 However, I have observed that we get at least 1 new member each month, so these monthly reminders may benefit them. Moreover, they could also cut down on the anxiety  of new members who often preface messages with a sheepish apology like "I don't know if this is on-topic" or "I'm sorry if I'm not supposed to post this; I'm new here." In my opinion, we all want our list to be a free and open forum for discussion within the criteria set forth in the rules. So, we don't want our newer members to be constantly afraid that their message will cause them to be banned from the list. Therefore, clear reminders of the guidelines, posted once a month, would benefit members both old and new. Just my thoughts.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Dec 1, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I wanted to get some feedback on how frequently you think would be
> appropriate for me to send out the list guidelines. I had originally
> intended to post them once a month; however I am wondering if this is
> excessive. Opinions welcome!
> Arielle
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 15:30:11 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 10:30:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] List Guidelines Reminders
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCJBoiCy+pumyTbY==N27H2-c241c-ap_7_xsTiQD3Vpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJCJBoiCy+pumyTbY==N27H2-c241c-ap_7_xsTiQD3Vpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AAA2936D-DF8B-4E39-9878-BCDDC681CDDC@gmail.com>

One more thought: Perhaps we could have the rules posted on our list's page on NFB-Net, either on the Info page itself or on a separate page which could be linked to from the Info page. This would allow new subscribers to be clear on the rules before they are even members.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Dec 1, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I wanted to get some feedback on how frequently you think would be
> appropriate for me to send out the list guidelines. I had originally
> intended to post them once a month; however I am wondering if this is
> excessive. Opinions welcome!
> Arielle
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Tue Dec  2 16:37:33 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 16:37:33 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] List Guidelines Reminders
In-Reply-To: <AAA2936D-DF8B-4E39-9878-BCDDC681CDDC@gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJCJBoiCy+pumyTbY==N27H2-c241c-ap_7_xsTiQD3Vpw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<AAA2936D-DF8B-4E39-9878-BCDDC681CDDC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B83F353@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Hello Arielle (and others):
	As a new member myself, I think a reminder email once a month regarding the rules and regulations is not excessive. It is extremely beneficial for new members, which, from what I’ve observed in three weeks there are many, those who may be extraordinarily busy and thus more likely to forget minor information, and those who are simply unaware of the list’s expectations. Plus, as was previously stated, if an individual does not like the reminders, they can opt out of reading it and just remove the email from their inbox.\
	In a sense, I can’t think of any negative effects off the top of my head.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun, secretary, 
Nevada Association of Blind Students
Treasurer and cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy club
Assistive Technology Specialist, university of Nevada, Reno

________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 7:30 AM
To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] List Guidelines Reminders

One more thought: Perhaps we could have the rules posted on our list's page on NFB-Net, either on the Info page itself or on a separate page which could be linked to from the Info page. This would allow new subscribers to be clear on the rules before they are even members.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Dec 1, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I wanted to get some feedback on how frequently you think would be
> appropriate for me to send out the list guidelines. I had originally
> intended to post them once a month; however I am wondering if this is
> excessive. Opinions welcome!
> Arielle
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 17:52:14 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 12:52:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What I want to see more of on this list
Message-ID: <547dfc86.05658c0a.aa48.28ec@mx.google.com>

Hey Nabsters,

Hope y'all are doing well.  In the new year I would like to see 
more stories about the Nfb training centers posted on this list.  
I'd like to bear how students have prepared to go to these 
centers for six to nine months.  I'm also going to the editors of 
the Braille Monitor, the Student Slate, and Future Reflections 
about putting more of these stories in their magazines.


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 18:13:32 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 10:13:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] What I want to see more of on this list
In-Reply-To: <547dfc86.05658c0a.aa48.28ec@mx.google.com>
References: <547dfc86.05658c0a.aa48.28ec@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdzYUR7WZZ9PVPrbn3tzu4A1bRM7W66ou8p66OGQZumXcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I think this is a great idea. I know that BLIND Inc. has an entire
page on their website with publications related to BLIND, Inc. They
consist of Monitor and other NFB newsletter articles about training
experiences. I am sure that this list is in no way comprehensive, but
I do know that several such publications do exist.

There are also a lot of stories in the NABS list archives which can be
found at nfbnet.org. But bring on the stories! I love hearing about
other peoples' stories in training.

Cindy

On 12/2/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey Nabsters,
>
> Hope y'all are doing well.  In the new year I would like to see
> more stories about the Nfb training centers posted on this list.
> I'd like to bear how students have prepared to go to these
> centers for six to nine months.  I'm also going to the editors of
> the Braille Monitor, the Student Slate, and Future Reflections
> about putting more of these stories in their magazines.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From filerime at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 22:34:07 2014
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 17:34:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdz2_T0m03ALaF6gj04UTifcsKS4-Fmtyrhx7GonxPRDkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACQLpmeuHDZ6ZiUi_uv207q-dDXNNN0ePSAjLbGo78D6rn6F5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1DA3A5E5FDBAF-DEC-30724@webmail-vm162.sysops.aol.com>
	<CAB34EgtNYhNR13-mp6Cm01Gx9TG0hQr7df=ReXJyLVr7E62mxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1CBE4EDC-1088-47C1-8336-13332A4DF5CA@gmail.com>
	<CACUFQdz2_T0m03ALaF6gj04UTifcsKS4-Fmtyrhx7GonxPRDkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9eMjHFYkS+=S0KGo1fMdVH9tGvAzEEdi95ty2pYyGR7eA@mail.gmail.com>

Getting together and talking is my priority right now.
Then we can decide for further steps.
I'm so glad that more people responded this e-mail.
NABSboard, thanks for your interest.
Guys, when do you have time, when can we talk?
we are not much, we can do a Skype call.
or let me know your suggestions.
Elif


2014-11-29 22:39 GMT-05:00, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi Chris et al,
>
> First, I am CCing Candice Chapman on this message. She is the
> treasurer of NABS and the membership chair.
>
> I think that this is an excellent discussion (although I have not
> followed it thoroughly). One thing we do to engage membership is
> through membership calls. If a call would interest students, I am sure
> that Candice and the NABS board would love to hear about this directly
> and am also sure that something could be organized. I am excited to
> learn that students are interested in this topic as it is one that I
> am vastly unaware about. I for one would have no idea how to advise an
> international student, or international blind student for that matter,
> as I am completely ignorant of the rights one has if they are an
> international student regarding accommodations. I think that a call
> led by some international students who are well versed in
> international student rights and experienced with advocating for
> themselves would be excellent. I am also on the Slate committee, and I
> think that publishing an article about some of the unique challenges
> experienced by international students would be a great addition to our
> newsletter. So, if you fall into the Slate category and want to share
> your story, please email me or the chair of the Slate committee, Cody
> Bair at codyjbair at yahoo.com.
>
> Candice is CC-ed, but you can email her directly at
> chapman.candicel at gmail.com.
>
> Cindy
>
> On 11/29/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> An initial conference call for this might be a great place to start.
>> Perhaps
>> this can also expand to a meeting at national convention for
>> international
>> students and those who are interested in issues which are of concern to
>> them. While I don't see the need for a new NFB division being formed for
>> international students, as this (in my opinion) falls under the NABS
>> umbrella, the potential could be there for a subgroup within NABS and/or
>> and
>> informal discussion group which has its meetings via conference call and
>> at
>> national convention. Just throwing out some ideas.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD
>>
>> "Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into
>> reality."
>>
>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:03 PM, siddhi desai via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Elif and all,
>>>
>>> This seems to be a great idea! I am from India too and faced many
>>> challenges post-arrival in USA. We could  surely plan a conference!
>>> Sincerely
>>> Siddhi
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 11/30/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Elif and all,
>>>> Joining the party a bit late, but I am also interested in advocating
>>>> for and helping out international students in the U.S.
>>>> I am Miso, a sophomore attending University of California Los Angeles,
>>>> majoring in psychology and minoring in disability studies and
>>>> education. I am originally from South Korea and have been in the U.S.
>>>> for about 7 years now.
>>>> Please feel free to email me off list and I agree with Kartik that
>>>> conference may be a good idea.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Miso
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Kartik Sawhney via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: Elif Emir <filerime at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind
>>>> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 8:11 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] international students
>>>>
>>>> Hey Elif,
>>>>
>>>> I'm Kartik. I'm a sophomore at Stanford University studying Computer
>>>> Science. I'm from India. I've been thinking on similar lines for quite
>>>> sometime now, and I think it'll be awesome to chat more about it to
>>>> see what we can do together. Same goes for anyone (international or
>>>> not) who is interested. Let's plan a conference to discuss this
>>>> further.
>>>>
>>>> In the meanwhile, Elif, feel free to reach out, or share your contact
>>>> details.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/11/14, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Well I admit that I got more accommodation's here than I had back in
>>>>> Turkey in terms of the accessible course materials. This is wonderful.
>>>>> The problem is being lack of social support which can be a back up
>>>>> when there is no accommodation.
>>>>> Plus this is a huge culture shock.
>>>>> In this situation it is very hard to locate in a new country, lern how
>>>>> and where to do shopping, find a way for transportation, how to call
>>>>> for a cab, learn the naberhood and campus to navegate independently,
>>>>> discover the food, brands, health system, learn how to recognize
>>>>> dollar bills and coin, write a check, so and so.
>>>>> an international student has to figure all these out very shortly in
>>>>> order to survive. Blindness and language make this harder. So some
>>>>> daily living assistance at the beginning would be very cool.
>>>>> Anyway, if there is any international students here please reach me.
>>>>> We can advocate for future generations together.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-11-11 0:29 GMT-05:00, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is definitely dialog which should happen.  I think that domestic
>>>>>> students also have a lot to learn from international students, and we
>>>>>> could all benefit from more open communication.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, do tell us what you think we could do to help, but also remember
>>>>>> to speak up.  I was totally unaware of the lack of accommodations
>>>>>> available to students who are not U.S citizens until very recently,
>>>>>> and I doubt I'm the only one who isn't very knowledgeable on this.
>>>> If
>>>>>> you have ideas based on what you did for accommodations in your home
>>>>>> country that you think could help students in the U.S, share those
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think If we're all open and provide helpful suggestions, everyone
>>>>>> will benefit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Elif, that's a great topic to talk about here too. I'm asking all
>>>> the
>>>>>>> NABS members. How NABS can support international students better? Is
>>>>>>> there any idea? Most of us had or still have some problems because
>>>> of
>>>>>>> being international student. This may be lack of the information and
>>>>>>> resources that are available to American sitizens with
>>>> disabilities. I
>>>>>>> know that being a strong self-advocate is always what we would like,
>>>>>>> however, we need support from native students sometimes.  I would
>>>> like
>>>>>>> to know, if any of the NABS members have any idea on that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Zeynep
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2014-11-10 13:02 GMT-06:00, Darian Smith via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>  We have an "International Students" E-mail list that can be found
>>>>>>>> among
>>>>>>>> the  collection of list serves  of the NFB at www.nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> <http://www.nfbnet.org/>.
>>>>>>>>  I'm sure there are international students on the NABS list, but I
>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>> there are more of them on the International  Students List.
>>>>>>>>   Hope this is helpful to you.
>>>>>>>>  Best,
>>>>>>>>  Darian
>>>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> My name is Elif.
>>>>>>>>> I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering how many international students are we in this
>>>> group?
>>>>>>>>> Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind student
>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> is not a member of this e-mail group?
>>>>>>>>> Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss
>>>> about the
>>>>>>>>> accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international
>>>> students
>>>>>>>>> and adjustment issues.
>>>>>>>>> I want to get together online, and talk to each other and support
>>>> each
>>>>>>>>> other about these internationally spessific issues.
>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>> Elif Emir Oksuz
>>>>>>>>> filerime at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Kaiti
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> Cell: +1-(650) 492-3220 (US), +91-9958499435 (India)
>>>> E-mail ID: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com, kartiks2 at stanford.edu
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> --
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> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Washington
> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 00:18:44 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 16:18:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
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All:
I believe this is a fabulous thing that is being discussed.  
I am personally glad to hear that there is such an interest in  issues/Concerns having to do with international students. 
If there's any way that I might be of assistance in this regard, please feel free to let me know. 
Best of luck in connecting, learning, and sharing.
Darian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Getting together and talking is my priority right now.
> Then we can decide for further steps.
> I'm so glad that more people responded this e-mail.
> NABSboard, thanks for your interest.
> Guys, when do you have time, when can we talk?
> we are not much, we can do a Skype call.
> or let me know your suggestions.
> Elif
> 
> 
> 2014-11-29 22:39 GMT-05:00, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Hi Chris et al,
>> 
>> First, I am CCing Candice Chapman on this message. She is the
>> treasurer of NABS and the membership chair.
>> 
>> I think that this is an excellent discussion (although I have not
>> followed it thoroughly). One thing we do to engage membership is
>> through membership calls. If a call would interest students, I am sure
>> that Candice and the NABS board would love to hear about this directly
>> and am also sure that something could be organized. I am excited to
>> learn that students are interested in this topic as it is one that I
>> am vastly unaware about. I for one would have no idea how to advise an
>> international student, or international blind student for that matter,
>> as I am completely ignorant of the rights one has if they are an
>> international student regarding accommodations. I think that a call
>> led by some international students who are well versed in
>> international student rights and experienced with advocating for
>> themselves would be excellent. I am also on the Slate committee, and I
>> think that publishing an article about some of the unique challenges
>> experienced by international students would be a great addition to our
>> newsletter. So, if you fall into the Slate category and want to share
>> your story, please email me or the chair of the Slate committee, Cody
>> Bair at codyjbair at yahoo.com.
>> 
>> Candice is CC-ed, but you can email her directly at
>> chapman.candicel at gmail.com.
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>>> On 11/29/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> An initial conference call for this might be a great place to start.
>>> Perhaps
>>> this can also expand to a meeting at national convention for
>>> international
>>> students and those who are interested in issues which are of concern to
>>> them. While I don't see the need for a new NFB division being formed for
>>> international students, as this (in my opinion) falls under the NABS
>>> umbrella, the potential could be there for a subgroup within NABS and/or
>>> and
>>> informal discussion group which has its meetings via conference call and
>>> at
>>> national convention. Just throwing out some ideas.
>>> 
>>> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD
>>> 
>>> "Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into
>>> reality."
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:03 PM, siddhi desai via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Elif and all,
>>>> 
>>>> This seems to be a great idea! I am from India too and faced many
>>>> challenges post-arrival in USA. We could  surely plan a conference!
>>>> Sincerely
>>>> Siddhi
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/30/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Elif and all,
>>>>> Joining the party a bit late, but I am also interested in advocating
>>>>> for and helping out international students in the U.S.
>>>>> I am Miso, a sophomore attending University of California Los Angeles,
>>>>> majoring in psychology and minoring in disability studies and
>>>>> education. I am originally from South Korea and have been in the U.S.
>>>>> for about 7 years now.
>>>>> Please feel free to email me off list and I agree with Kartik that
>>>>> conference may be a good idea.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Miso
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Kartik Sawhney via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: Elif Emir <filerime at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind
>>>>> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 8:11 pm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] international students
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Elif,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm Kartik. I'm a sophomore at Stanford University studying Computer
>>>>> Science. I'm from India. I've been thinking on similar lines for quite
>>>>> sometime now, and I think it'll be awesome to chat more about it to
>>>>> see what we can do together. Same goes for anyone (international or
>>>>> not) who is interested. Let's plan a conference to discuss this
>>>>> further.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the meanwhile, Elif, feel free to reach out, or share your contact
>>>>> details.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/11/14, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Well I admit that I got more accommodation's here than I had back in
>>>>>> Turkey in terms of the accessible course materials. This is wonderful.
>>>>>> The problem is being lack of social support which can be a back up
>>>>>> when there is no accommodation.
>>>>>> Plus this is a huge culture shock.
>>>>>> In this situation it is very hard to locate in a new country, lern how
>>>>>> and where to do shopping, find a way for transportation, how to call
>>>>>> for a cab, learn the naberhood and campus to navegate independently,
>>>>>> discover the food, brands, health system, learn how to recognize
>>>>>> dollar bills and coin, write a check, so and so.
>>>>>> an international student has to figure all these out very shortly in
>>>>>> order to survive. Blindness and language make this harder. So some
>>>>>> daily living assistance at the beginning would be very cool.
>>>>>> Anyway, if there is any international students here please reach me.
>>>>>> We can advocate for future generations together.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2014-11-11 0:29 GMT-05:00, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This is definitely dialog which should happen.  I think that domestic
>>>>>>> students also have a lot to learn from international students, and we
>>>>>>> could all benefit from more open communication.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So, do tell us what you think we could do to help, but also remember
>>>>>>> to speak up.  I was totally unaware of the lack of accommodations
>>>>>>> available to students who are not U.S citizens until very recently,
>>>>>>> and I doubt I'm the only one who isn't very knowledgeable on this.
>>>>> If
>>>>>>> you have ideas based on what you did for accommodations in your home
>>>>>>> country that you think could help students in the U.S, share those
>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think If we're all open and provide helpful suggestions, everyone
>>>>>>> will benefit.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 11/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Elif, that's a great topic to talk about here too. I'm asking all
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> NABS members. How NABS can support international students better? Is
>>>>>>>> there any idea? Most of us had or still have some problems because
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> being international student. This may be lack of the information and
>>>>>>>> resources that are available to American sitizens with
>>>>> disabilities. I
>>>>>>>> know that being a strong self-advocate is always what we would like,
>>>>>>>> however, we need support from native students sometimes.  I would
>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> to know, if any of the NABS members have any idea on that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Zeynep
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 2014-11-10 13:02 GMT-06:00, Darian Smith via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>> We have an "International Students" E-mail list that can be found
>>>>>>>>> among
>>>>>>>>> the  collection of list serves  of the NFB at www.nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.nfbnet.org/>.
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are international students on the NABS list, but I
>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>>> there are more of them on the International  Students List.
>>>>>>>>>  Hope this is helpful to you.
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> My name is Elif.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering how many international students are we in this
>>>>> group?
>>>>>>>>>> Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind student
>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> is not a member of this e-mail group?
>>>>>>>>>> Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss
>>>>> about the
>>>>>>>>>> accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international
>>>>> students
>>>>>>>>>> and adjustment issues.
>>>>>>>>>> I want to get together online, and talk to each other and support
>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>>> other about these internationally spessific issues.
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>> Elif Emir Oksuz
>>>>>>>>>> filerime at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 02:13:08 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 21:13:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
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Elif and all,

Way to go for bringing this important topic to the forefront!

Chris mentioned that he did not see the need for an international
student division at this time, but what about an international
division of some sort that falls under the NFB in general?  I'm sure
there are plenty of general members of the NFB who are already
degree-qualified, who probably struggle with some of the same issues
such as learning the culture, finding where and how to get groceries,
learning the currency system, etc.  Though I am not an international
student, I have talked to Elif a fair amount as we're from the same
state student division, and I would imaging those cultural things have
an added component of complexity for all who are blind.  I see two
separate issues here rather than one; the first is learning how to
access accommodations in the U.S, which can be tricky depending on
individual circumstances and the home country in question, and the
cultural stuff.  Maybe some blind adults from other countries have
advice for current students based on their experiences?  I think it
would be more beneficial to reach out not just to international
students, but international people in the NFB in general.  I see this
as yielding the most information for all involved.

Just my two cents worth.

On 12/2/14, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> All:
> I believe this is a fabulous thing that is being discussed.
> I am personally glad to hear that there is such an interest in
> issues/Concerns having to do with international students.
> If there's any way that I might be of assistance in this regard, please feel
> free to let me know.
> Best of luck in connecting, learning, and sharing.
> Darian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Getting together and talking is my priority right now.
>> Then we can decide for further steps.
>> I'm so glad that more people responded this e-mail.
>> NABSboard, thanks for your interest.
>> Guys, when do you have time, when can we talk?
>> we are not much, we can do a Skype call.
>> or let me know your suggestions.
>> Elif
>>
>>
>> 2014-11-29 22:39 GMT-05:00, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>> Hi Chris et al,
>>>
>>> First, I am CCing Candice Chapman on this message. She is the
>>> treasurer of NABS and the membership chair.
>>>
>>> I think that this is an excellent discussion (although I have not
>>> followed it thoroughly). One thing we do to engage membership is
>>> through membership calls. If a call would interest students, I am sure
>>> that Candice and the NABS board would love to hear about this directly
>>> and am also sure that something could be organized. I am excited to
>>> learn that students are interested in this topic as it is one that I
>>> am vastly unaware about. I for one would have no idea how to advise an
>>> international student, or international blind student for that matter,
>>> as I am completely ignorant of the rights one has if they are an
>>> international student regarding accommodations. I think that a call
>>> led by some international students who are well versed in
>>> international student rights and experienced with advocating for
>>> themselves would be excellent. I am also on the Slate committee, and I
>>> think that publishing an article about some of the unique challenges
>>> experienced by international students would be a great addition to our
>>> newsletter. So, if you fall into the Slate category and want to share
>>> your story, please email me or the chair of the Slate committee, Cody
>>> Bair at codyjbair at yahoo.com.
>>>
>>> Candice is CC-ed, but you can email her directly at
>>> chapman.candicel at gmail.com.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>>> On 11/29/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> An initial conference call for this might be a great place to start.
>>>> Perhaps
>>>> this can also expand to a meeting at national convention for
>>>> international
>>>> students and those who are interested in issues which are of concern to
>>>> them. While I don't see the need for a new NFB division being formed for
>>>> international students, as this (in my opinion) falls under the NABS
>>>> umbrella, the potential could be there for a subgroup within NABS and/or
>>>> and
>>>> informal discussion group which has its meetings via conference call and
>>>> at
>>>> national convention. Just throwing out some ideas.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of
>>>> Maryland
>>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD
>>>>
>>>> "Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into
>>>> reality."
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:03 PM, siddhi desai via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Elif and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> This seems to be a great idea! I am from India too and faced many
>>>>> challenges post-arrival in USA. We could  surely plan a conference!
>>>>> Sincerely
>>>>> Siddhi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/30/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Elif and all,
>>>>>> Joining the party a bit late, but I am also interested in advocating
>>>>>> for and helping out international students in the U.S.
>>>>>> I am Miso, a sophomore attending University of California Los Angeles,
>>>>>> majoring in psychology and minoring in disability studies and
>>>>>> education. I am originally from South Korea and have been in the U.S.
>>>>>> for about 7 years now.
>>>>>> Please feel free to email me off list and I agree with Kartik that
>>>>>> conference may be a good idea.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Miso
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Kartik Sawhney via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> To: Elif Emir <filerime at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind
>>>>>> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 8:11 pm
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] international students
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Elif,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm Kartik. I'm a sophomore at Stanford University studying Computer
>>>>>> Science. I'm from India. I've been thinking on similar lines for quite
>>>>>> sometime now, and I think it'll be awesome to chat more about it to
>>>>>> see what we can do together. Same goes for anyone (international or
>>>>>> not) who is interested. Let's plan a conference to discuss this
>>>>>> further.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the meanwhile, Elif, feel free to reach out, or share your contact
>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/11/14, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Well I admit that I got more accommodation's here than I had back in
>>>>>>> Turkey in terms of the accessible course materials. This is
>>>>>>> wonderful.
>>>>>>> The problem is being lack of social support which can be a back up
>>>>>>> when there is no accommodation.
>>>>>>> Plus this is a huge culture shock.
>>>>>>> In this situation it is very hard to locate in a new country, lern
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> and where to do shopping, find a way for transportation, how to call
>>>>>>> for a cab, learn the naberhood and campus to navegate independently,
>>>>>>> discover the food, brands, health system, learn how to recognize
>>>>>>> dollar bills and coin, write a check, so and so.
>>>>>>> an international student has to figure all these out very shortly in
>>>>>>> order to survive. Blindness and language make this harder. So some
>>>>>>> daily living assistance at the beginning would be very cool.
>>>>>>> Anyway, if there is any international students here please reach me.
>>>>>>> We can advocate for future generations together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2014-11-11 0:29 GMT-05:00, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is definitely dialog which should happen.  I think that
>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>> students also have a lot to learn from international students, and
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> could all benefit from more open communication.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, do tell us what you think we could do to help, but also remember
>>>>>>>> to speak up.  I was totally unaware of the lack of accommodations
>>>>>>>> available to students who are not U.S citizens until very recently,
>>>>>>>> and I doubt I'm the only one who isn't very knowledgeable on this.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>> you have ideas based on what you did for accommodations in your home
>>>>>>>> country that you think could help students in the U.S, share those
>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think If we're all open and provide helpful suggestions, everyone
>>>>>>>> will benefit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Elif, that's a great topic to talk about here too. I'm asking all
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> NABS members. How NABS can support international students better?
>>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>>> there any idea? Most of us had or still have some problems because
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> being international student. This may be lack of the information
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> resources that are available to American sitizens with
>>>>>> disabilities. I
>>>>>>>>> know that being a strong self-advocate is always what we would
>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>> however, we need support from native students sometimes.  I would
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> to know, if any of the NABS members have any idea on that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Zeynep
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2014-11-10 13:02 GMT-06:00, Darian Smith via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>> We have an "International Students" E-mail list that can be found
>>>>>>>>>> among
>>>>>>>>>> the  collection of list serves  of the NFB at www.nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.nfbnet.org/>.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are international students on the NABS list, but I
>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>>>> there are more of them on the International  Students List.
>>>>>>>>>>  Hope this is helpful to you.
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> My name is Elif.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering how many international students are we in this
>>>>>> group?
>>>>>>>>>>> Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind student
>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> is not a member of this e-mail group?
>>>>>>>>>>> Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss
>>>>>> about the
>>>>>>>>>>> accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international
>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>>>>> and adjustment issues.
>>>>>>>>>>> I want to get together online, and talk to each other and support
>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>>>> other about these internationally spessific issues.
>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>> Elif Emir Oksuz
>>>>>>>>>>> filerime at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Dec  3 02:44:31 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 20:44:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] List Guidelines Reminders
In-Reply-To: <432A3430-7029-432E-9405-A7A693617DC0@gmail.com>
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Once a month is generally the period used for this kind of thing.

Dave

At 11:33 PM 12/1/2014, you wrote:
>Hi,. I don't think this is excessive. We get new members to the list 
>every day. For those of us that don't need it, we can just delete it 
>but I think it would be important for people to have.. And reminder 
>is good sometimes I do believe..
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:07 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I wanted to get some feedback on how frequently you think would be
> > appropriate for me to send out the list guidelines. I had originally
> > intended to post them once a month; however I am wondering if this is
> > excessive. Opinions welcome!
> > Arielle
> >

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 03:03:35 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 19:03:35 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] List Guidelines Reminders
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Thanks for the feedback all! The guidelines are below.

NABS List Guidelines

1.	 Be respectful.
A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our
opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a
post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and
personal attacks and  degrading comments will not be tolerated.
B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including
readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will
not be allowed.
C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please
respect other people’s privacy by not posting details about their
lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using
their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if
you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a
Google search.

2.	Reducing List Clutter
A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues
related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion
or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on
social media, or any other posts unrelated to blindness are not
allowed, as they create too much list clutter unrelated to the list
purpose. The exception is that advertisements for blindness programs
and announcements about blindness-related research projects are
permitted. The moderators and NABS board reserve the right to close
down any discussion that is off-topic.
B.	Please respect readers’ time by consolidating your ideas into one
or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a
topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation,
instead of just saying “I agree”.
C.	When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect
with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not
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If you develop a conversation with that person, that’s great, if they
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If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will
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and make your case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the
list committee has final authority regarding what is and is not
appropriate for the list. Repeated violations of the guidelines could
result in disciplinary action from the list owner, including list
removal.


On 12/2/14, David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Once a month is generally the period used for this kind of thing.
>
> Dave
>
> At 11:33 PM 12/1/2014, you wrote:
>>Hi,. I don't think this is excessive. We get new members to the list
>>every day. For those of us that don't need it, we can just delete it
>>but I think it would be important for people to have.. And reminder
>>is good sometimes I do believe..
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Dec 1, 2014, at 9:07 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> > I wanted to get some feedback on how frequently you think would be
>> > appropriate for me to send out the list guidelines. I had originally
>> > intended to post them once a month; however I am wondering if this is
>> > excessive. Opinions welcome!
>> > Arielle
>> >
>
>          David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>
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From filerime at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 03:12:31 2014
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 22:12:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
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Kaiti this is extremely true.
I agree with you. Ones we start with students, we can expend it to all
international people.


2014-12-02 21:13 GMT-05:00, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Elif and all,
>
> Way to go for bringing this important topic to the forefront!
>
> Chris mentioned that he did not see the need for an international
> student division at this time, but what about an international
> division of some sort that falls under the NFB in general?  I'm sure
> there are plenty of general members of the NFB who are already
> degree-qualified, who probably struggle with some of the same issues
> such as learning the culture, finding where and how to get groceries,
> learning the currency system, etc.  Though I am not an international
> student, I have talked to Elif a fair amount as we're from the same
> state student division, and I would imaging those cultural things have
> an added component of complexity for all who are blind.  I see two
> separate issues here rather than one; the first is learning how to
> access accommodations in the U.S, which can be tricky depending on
> individual circumstances and the home country in question, and the
> cultural stuff.  Maybe some blind adults from other countries have
> advice for current students based on their experiences?  I think it
> would be more beneficial to reach out not just to international
> students, but international people in the NFB in general.  I see this
> as yielding the most information for all involved.
>
> Just my two cents worth.
>
> On 12/2/14, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> All:
>> I believe this is a fabulous thing that is being discussed.
>> I am personally glad to hear that there is such an interest in
>> issues/Concerns having to do with international students.
>> If there's any way that I might be of assistance in this regard, please
>> feel
>> free to let me know.
>> Best of luck in connecting, learning, and sharing.
>> Darian
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Getting together and talking is my priority right now.
>>> Then we can decide for further steps.
>>> I'm so glad that more people responded this e-mail.
>>> NABSboard, thanks for your interest.
>>> Guys, when do you have time, when can we talk?
>>> we are not much, we can do a Skype call.
>>> or let me know your suggestions.
>>> Elif
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-11-29 22:39 GMT-05:00, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>> Hi Chris et al,
>>>>
>>>> First, I am CCing Candice Chapman on this message. She is the
>>>> treasurer of NABS and the membership chair.
>>>>
>>>> I think that this is an excellent discussion (although I have not
>>>> followed it thoroughly). One thing we do to engage membership is
>>>> through membership calls. If a call would interest students, I am sure
>>>> that Candice and the NABS board would love to hear about this directly
>>>> and am also sure that something could be organized. I am excited to
>>>> learn that students are interested in this topic as it is one that I
>>>> am vastly unaware about. I for one would have no idea how to advise an
>>>> international student, or international blind student for that matter,
>>>> as I am completely ignorant of the rights one has if they are an
>>>> international student regarding accommodations. I think that a call
>>>> led by some international students who are well versed in
>>>> international student rights and experienced with advocating for
>>>> themselves would be excellent. I am also on the Slate committee, and I
>>>> think that publishing an article about some of the unique challenges
>>>> experienced by international students would be a great addition to our
>>>> newsletter. So, if you fall into the Slate category and want to share
>>>> your story, please email me or the chair of the Slate committee, Cody
>>>> Bair at codyjbair at yahoo.com.
>>>>
>>>> Candice is CC-ed, but you can email her directly at
>>>> chapman.candicel at gmail.com.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/29/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> An initial conference call for this might be a great place to start.
>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>> this can also expand to a meeting at national convention for
>>>>> international
>>>>> students and those who are interested in issues which are of concern
>>>>> to
>>>>> them. While I don't see the need for a new NFB division being formed
>>>>> for
>>>>> international students, as this (in my opinion) falls under the NABS
>>>>> umbrella, the potential could be there for a subgroup within NABS
>>>>> and/or
>>>>> and
>>>>> informal discussion group which has its meetings via conference call
>>>>> and
>>>>> at
>>>>> national convention. Just throwing out some ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of
>>>>> Maryland
>>>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD
>>>>>
>>>>> "Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into
>>>>> reality."
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:03 PM, siddhi desai via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Elif and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This seems to be a great idea! I am from India too and faced many
>>>>>> challenges post-arrival in USA. We could  surely plan a conference!
>>>>>> Sincerely
>>>>>> Siddhi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/30/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Elif and all,
>>>>>>> Joining the party a bit late, but I am also interested in advocating
>>>>>>> for and helping out international students in the U.S.
>>>>>>> I am Miso, a sophomore attending University of California Los
>>>>>>> Angeles,
>>>>>>> majoring in psychology and minoring in disability studies and
>>>>>>> education. I am originally from South Korea and have been in the
>>>>>>> U.S.
>>>>>>> for about 7 years now.
>>>>>>> Please feel free to email me off list and I agree with Kartik that
>>>>>>> conference may be a good idea.
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Miso
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Kartik Sawhney via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> To: Elif Emir <filerime at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind
>>>>>>> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 8:11 pm
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] international students
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Elif,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm Kartik. I'm a sophomore at Stanford University studying Computer
>>>>>>> Science. I'm from India. I've been thinking on similar lines for
>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> sometime now, and I think it'll be awesome to chat more about it to
>>>>>>> see what we can do together. Same goes for anyone (international or
>>>>>>> not) who is interested. Let's plan a conference to discuss this
>>>>>>> further.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the meanwhile, Elif, feel free to reach out, or share your
>>>>>>> contact
>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/11/14, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well I admit that I got more accommodation's here than I had back
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> Turkey in terms of the accessible course materials. This is
>>>>>>>> wonderful.
>>>>>>>> The problem is being lack of social support which can be a back up
>>>>>>>> when there is no accommodation.
>>>>>>>> Plus this is a huge culture shock.
>>>>>>>> In this situation it is very hard to locate in a new country, lern
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> and where to do shopping, find a way for transportation, how to
>>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>>> for a cab, learn the naberhood and campus to navegate
>>>>>>>> independently,
>>>>>>>> discover the food, brands, health system, learn how to recognize
>>>>>>>> dollar bills and coin, write a check, so and so.
>>>>>>>> an international student has to figure all these out very shortly
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> order to survive. Blindness and language make this harder. So some
>>>>>>>> daily living assistance at the beginning would be very cool.
>>>>>>>> Anyway, if there is any international students here please reach
>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>> We can advocate for future generations together.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2014-11-11 0:29 GMT-05:00, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is definitely dialog which should happen.  I think that
>>>>>>>>> domestic
>>>>>>>>> students also have a lot to learn from international students, and
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> could all benefit from more open communication.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, do tell us what you think we could do to help, but also
>>>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>>>> to speak up.  I was totally unaware of the lack of accommodations
>>>>>>>>> available to students who are not U.S citizens until very
>>>>>>>>> recently,
>>>>>>>>> and I doubt I'm the only one who isn't very knowledgeable on this.
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>> you have ideas based on what you did for accommodations in your
>>>>>>>>> home
>>>>>>>>> country that you think could help students in the U.S, share those
>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think If we're all open and provide helpful suggestions,
>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>> will benefit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Elif, that's a great topic to talk about here too. I'm asking all
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> NABS members. How NABS can support international students better?
>>>>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>>>>> there any idea? Most of us had or still have some problems
>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> being international student. This may be lack of the information
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> resources that are available to American sitizens with
>>>>>>> disabilities. I
>>>>>>>>>> know that being a strong self-advocate is always what we would
>>>>>>>>>> like,
>>>>>>>>>> however, we need support from native students sometimes.  I would
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> to know, if any of the NABS members have any idea on that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Zeynep
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2014-11-10 13:02 GMT-06:00, Darian Smith via nabs-l
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>> We have an "International Students" E-mail list that can be
>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>> among
>>>>>>>>>>> the  collection of list serves  of the NFB at www.nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.nfbnet.org/>.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are international students on the NABS list, but
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>>>>> there are more of them on the International  Students List.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Hope this is helpful to you.
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> Darian
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> My name is Elif.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering how many international students are we in this
>>>>>>> group?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> student
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>> is not a member of this e-mail group?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss
>>>>>>> about the
>>>>>>>>>>>> accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international
>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>>>>>> and adjustment issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to get together online, and talk to each other and
>>>>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>>>>> other about these internationally spessific issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>>> Elif Emir Oksuz
>>>>>>>>>>>> filerime at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Wed Dec  3 17:34:52 2014
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:34:52 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Job Opening for Certified Orientation and Mobility
 Specialist at LightHouse for the Blind
Message-ID: <2B462D39CA57B147A4C4B61F9FC1959D50E891@email.rrlh-sf.local>

LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired in San Francisco has a job opening for a Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist.



POSITION: Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist (bilingual in Spanish preferred)



REPORTS TO: Director of Rehabilitation Services



STATUS: Exempt



WC CLASS: Teacher



Are you ready to impart your skill and enthusiasm to the transformative effect the San Francisco LightHouse for the Blind has had on the lives of blind northern Californians? Do you want to be dedicated to learning the latest developments and practices in the blindness field becoming immersed in the history of blindness and the disability movement?



If your answer is yes, then please apply for the opportunity to join a top Rehabilitation Services team.



JOB PURPOSE:



The Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist (COMS) is responsible for teaching orientation and mobility to blind, low-vision and deaf-blind adults & seniors from diverse backgrounds. In providing orientation and mobility instruction, the COMS will conduct assessments and provide training which reflects recent and progressive travel and orientation techniques and trends, focusing on student's travel needs in the home, work and community. The COMS must have the ability to assess and teach to differing skill levels, as well as to train on varied mobility devices and options such as;  monocular use, purpose-built GPS, BrailleNote GPS, Seeing eye GPS, BlindSquare, Google Maps, Audible Pedestrian Signals and the Lighthouse's very own tactile maps of public streets, transit hubs, and public spaces.



Flexibility and 'thinking outside the box' is essential to this position.  The COMS must be able to work with and provide information and training to family and friends, community members, volunteers and service providers and effectively communicate and collaborate with referral agencies in providing services to shared students.  The duties of the COMS may include (but are not limited to): conducting of assessments, writing individual training plans with the student, and facilitating individual and group instruction as needed.  Orientation and mobility instruction may occur on-site, in the home, workplace or the student's community, including travel on all forms of San Francisco Bay Area-wide public transportation and Paratransit.



The COMS must be flexible working throughout the greater San Francisco Bay Area, including periodic week-long training from the LightHouse North Coast office in Eureka, and able to travel as far south as Monterey and Salinas. Additionally, week-long seminar training may happen up to four times per year at Enchanted Hills Camp and Retreat.  Training may occur in either urban or rural settings. The COMS may also be asked to teach and assess for urgent and basic daily living skills.  The COMS is a professional within the Lighthouse Rehabilitation Team, sharing resources, recommendations and referrals.



QUALIFICATIONS:



Education or equivalent: Master's Degree with specialty in Orientation and Mobility, & Academy for Certification of Vision Rehabilitation and Education Professionals (ACVREP) Certified - OR - Minimum of a BA Degree in Rehabilitation Services; or a related degree with National Orientation and Mobility Certification (NOMC) from the National Blindness Professional Certification Board (NBPCB).



Experience: A minimum of three years teaching Orientation and Mobility preferred   A history of teaching basic independent living skills (home-to-work skills) with adults and/ or seniors necessary.



Intern supervision experience preferred; the LightHouse works with San Francisco State University and the intention is to provide supervised intern placement within LightHouse on an annual basis.



Other: Preferred fluency (speaking, reading and writing) in Spanish. Multicultural teaching experience preferred; excellent verbal and written communication skills; strong interpersonal skills in order to relate to staff, blind and visually-impaired students, and persons in the community with varied backgrounds and viewpoints.



An ability to formulate individual, sequential training plans. Knowledge of Braille desired.



PHYSICAL DEMANDS:



Ability to teach in rain, cold, heat and other inclement conditions.



ACCOUNTABILITIES:



Assess individual needs of students and set goals for instruction.

Provide training under training shade as necessary or recommended.

Provide professionally-written student assessments, goal development, and training summaries / recommendations, on a monthly basis to all third-party contracting sources (such as the Department of Rehabilitation, Veterans Administration and Regional Center).

Maintain weekly and monthly database entries regarding units of service provided to students, along with notes, goal-planning and reports for all direct services provided.

Act as Agency liaison in traffic, community transportation services and auditory signal issues or projects as requested.

Provide cane travel, route travel with dog guide users & teams and human guide instruction.

Develop and create maps for students as necessary; provide training in the use of tactile maps.

Maintain updated information regarding Paratransit programs, providing registration assistance and training in the programs as necessary.

Participate in Agency public outreach and education as requested.

Provide orientation and route training in all environments and on various forms of public transit.

Assess for and teach basic and essential independent living skills to blind and low-vision students such as labeling, money organization, use of an ATM, and home safety practices.

Provide assessment and training in independent living strategies that impact personal safety.

Provide assessment and training in independent living strategies which provide choice and independence in completing tasks in the home, volunteer work and employment.

Facilitate or co-facilitate classes, including our Changing Visions, Changing Lives immersion cohort and community workshops.

Initiate outreach, training and collaboration with local universities and school's disabled student programs, in providing campus orientation.

Conduct student home safety assessments and community agency environmental evaluations.

Provide consultation and/or training to staff in community agencies regarding environmental modifications and strategies in working with persons who are blind or low-vision.

Attend and participate in All-Staff meetings, monthly Consumer Review and departmental meetings (Rehabilitation Services).

Complete requisite documentation in a timely manner.

Ensure all publicity materials have first been approved by the Director of Rehabilitation Services.

Completely and accurately record student information in the proprietary LightHouse client database.

Complete monthly billing on a timely basis (by the first of each month).

Maintain timely communication and responses to clients (within 48 hours of referral).

Maintain professional communication via e-mail and voice mail on a timely and ongoing basis.

Other Duties: Please note this job description is not designed to cover or contain a comprehensive listing of activities, duties or responsibilities that are required of the employee for this job. Duties, responsibilities and activities may change at any time with or without notice.



SUPERVISORY RESPONSIBILITY:

Supervise and provide instruction to Orientation and Mobility Interns as requested. (Must have MA/ACVREP Certification plus three years' experience for Intern supervision.



WORKING CONDITIONS:

Equal opportunity to all regardless of race, color, creed, national origin, ancestry, sex, marital status, disability, religious or political affiliation, age, or sexual orientation. We have an "employment at will" policy.



TO APPLY:

Please submit cover letter and / or résumé as Word attachments (no PDFs, please) to hr at lighthouse-sf.org<mailto:hr at lighthouse-sf.org>, including the job title in the subject line. We will not consider videos or hyperlinks to online profiles at this time; thank you.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 18:56:49 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:56:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating A Newsletter about independent living skills
Message-ID: <547f5d2b.d7148c0a.4918.48be@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I'd like to write a newsletter about independent living skills as 
it relates to blindness.  If you would like to help me with this 
please let me know.  I hope to hear from you soon.


From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 21:57:14 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 16:57:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] 60 Awesome Student Discounts
Message-ID: <010101d00f44$197d28d0$4c777a70$@gmail.com>

I figured a lot of you would find the article below interesting:

60 Awesome Student Discounts 
http://www.thesimpledollar.com/60-awesome-student-discounts-on-clothes-tech-
travel-and-more/

Joe

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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 00:43:32 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:43:32 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] 60 Awesome Student Discounts
In-Reply-To: <010101d00f44$197d28d0$4c777a70$@gmail.com>
References: <010101d00f44$197d28d0$4c777a70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6FE02E1E-1509-4D1B-BE0B-6DD2AFD07712@gmail.com>

Pretty sure this is a broken link.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 3, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I figured a lot of you would find the article below interesting:
> 
> 60 Awesome Student Discounts 
> http://www.thesimpledollar.com/60-awesome-student-discounts-on-clothes-tech-
> travel-and-more/
> 
> Joe
> 
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> www.JoeOrozco.com/
> 
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
> 
> 
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Thu Dec  4 00:50:18 2014
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:50:18 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] 60 Awesome Student Discounts
In-Reply-To: <6FE02E1E-1509-4D1B-BE0B-6DD2AFD07712@gmail.com>
References: <010101d00f44$197d28d0$4c777a70$@gmail.com>
	<6FE02E1E-1509-4D1B-BE0B-6DD2AFD07712@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF=_avctJtZJfCEyUK=7ch4vep1xqEgZVdQC=sp1oFbJZuZA=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Link worked for me on my laptop

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Pretty sure this is a broken link.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 3, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I figured a lot of you would find the article below interesting:
> >
> > 60 Awesome Student Discounts
> >
> http://www.thesimpledollar.com/60-awesome-student-discounts-on-clothes-tech-
> > travel-and-more/
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > --
> > Musings of a Work in Progress:
> > www.JoeOrozco.com/
> >
> > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
> >
> >
> >
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 02:18:07 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 21:18:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] 60 Awesome Student Discounts
In-Reply-To: <CANb7fsEdZEcnPGT4OfiZKM9o8jbkQ1zWik31Rru_jAP0Kh3ofg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <010101d00f44$197d28d0$4c777a70$@gmail.com>
	<CANb7fsEdZEcnPGT4OfiZKM9o8jbkQ1zWik31Rru_jAP0Kh3ofg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901d00f68$8b37a6c0$a1a6f440$@gmail.com>

Ah, damn Outlook. Okay, try this shortened link:

http://goo.gl/VgGrFM

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-----Original Message-----
From: Nefertiti Matos Olivares [mailto:cantdousemyfire at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 6:37 PM
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 60 Awesome Student Discounts

Thought you should know that upon clicking this link, I received a,
"404 - Oops! That page can't be found" message. Maybe you can give it
another go? Thanks!

On 12/3/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I figured a lot of you would find the article below interesting:
>
> 60 Awesome Student Discounts
> http://www.thesimpledollar.com/60-awesome-student-discounts-on-clothes
> -tech-
> travel-and-more/
>
> Joe
>
> --
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> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>
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>
>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 00:45:51 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 19:45:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] yahoo messenger
Message-ID: <009901d01024$d23bdcf0$76b396d0$@gmail.com>

Is Yahoo messenger accessible?

I have Jaws 15, and windows 7.

Thanks,

Justin.


From mausbun at unr.edu  Fri Dec  5 02:25:56 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 02:25:56 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] yahoo messenger
In-Reply-To: <009901d01024$d23bdcf0$76b396d0$@gmail.com>
References: <009901d01024$d23bdcf0$76b396d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B83FE9E@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Hello Justin:
	I’ve used Yahoo messenger with Jaws 14.0.5005 with some success. It’s sometimes difficult, due to the layout of the messenger, but it is not impossible to use. I much prefer MSN messenger or skype, though. Much easier to navigate.
Best,
Michael Ausbun
Assistive Technology Specialist, University of Nevada, Reno
Secretary, Nevada association of Blind Students
Treasurer and Cofounder, The University’s Philosophy club

________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 4:45 PM
To: 'Blind Talk Mailing List'
Cc: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] yahoo messenger

Is Yahoo messenger accessible?

I have Jaws 15, and windows 7.

Thanks,

Justin.

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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 03:11:26 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:11:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Room mate for washington seminar
Message-ID: <B58AC70B-0D37-40D9-9668-4E820D7F4375@gmail.com>

Hey 
Who is going to washington seminar? 
I am looking for three girls to room with me. 
Thanks

Shikha. 


From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 13:27:11 2014
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:27:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Room mate for washington seminar
In-Reply-To: <B58AC70B-0D37-40D9-9668-4E820D7F4375@gmail.com>
References: <B58AC70B-0D37-40D9-9668-4E820D7F4375@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FDCA516C-1BFE-47FD-9EAA-6D08D4793551@gmail.com>

Shikha, I believe Sara has reached out to you, but I just wanted to let you know myself that we would love if you roomed  with us for Washington seminar. Please let me know if that is possible! Talk soon,
Kathryn Webster


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 4, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey 
> Who is going to washington seminar? 
> I am looking for three girls to room with me. 
> Thanks
> 
> Shikha. 
> 
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 13:30:43 2014
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:30:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Room mate for washington seminar
In-Reply-To: <B58AC70B-0D37-40D9-9668-4E820D7F4375@gmail.com>
References: <B58AC70B-0D37-40D9-9668-4E820D7F4375@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66056823-5FFC-4997-BB4A-8588CCFD4A97@gmail.com>

Shikha, I believe Sara has reached out to you, but I just wanted to let you know myself that we would love if you roomed  with us for Washington seminar. Please let me know if that is possible! Talk soon,
Kathryn Webster


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 4, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey 
> Who is going to washington seminar? 
> I am looking for three girls to room with me. 
> Thanks
> 
> Shikha. 
> 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 15:02:03 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:02:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABs and thw Washington seminar
Message-ID: <CAE8_=nTXn6wCOkFVqSMme05dOEOaCQVkLqV8Q_Tb=n3Qt78Zwg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey All,
Can someone please remind me when the NABS events will be during the
Washington Seminar?
Thanks,
Aleeha

-- 
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Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199

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- Arabian Proverb


From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 15:03:35 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:03:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Room mate for washington seminar
In-Reply-To: <66056823-5FFC-4997-BB4A-8588CCFD4A97@gmail.com>
References: <B58AC70B-0D37-40D9-9668-4E820D7F4375@gmail.com>
	<66056823-5FFC-4997-BB4A-8588CCFD4A97@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE8_=nQ8DRpJgb64LXFab-uQAKMKTfqSCJiBZuTS27R-j8sjPg@mail.gmail.com>

A friend and I are also looking for at least one more roommate, if not
two. Anyone have ideas?
Thanks,
Aleeha

On 12/5/14, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Shikha, I believe Sara has reached out to you, but I just wanted to let you
> know myself that we would love if you roomed  with us for Washington
> seminar. Please let me know if that is possible! Talk soon,
> Kathryn Webster
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 4, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey
>> Who is going to washington seminar?
>> I am looking for three girls to room with me.
>> Thanks
>>
>> Shikha.
>>
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-- 
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Yellow Labrador Dallas
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199

The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
- Arabian Proverb


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 15:12:32 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:12:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABs and thw Washington seminar
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Usually the NABS stuff happens on the morning/early afternoon of the first day, usually a Monday. Unfortunately, I can't remember this year's dates, though.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey All,
> Can someone please remind me when the NABS events will be during the
> Washington Seminar?
> Thanks,
> Aleeha
> 
> -- 
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Yellow Labrador Dallas
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199
> 
> The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
> - Arabian Proverb
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Fri Dec  5 15:54:59 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:54:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Room mate for washington seminar
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My friend Catherine from Delaware is looking for a roommate Monday night. 

Catherine.1966 at yahoo.com

3025432665

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> A friend and I are also looking for at least one more roommate, if not
> two. Anyone have ideas?
> Thanks,
> Aleeha
> 
>> On 12/5/14, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Shikha, I believe Sara has reached out to you, but I just wanted to let you
>> know myself that we would love if you roomed  with us for Washington
>> seminar. Please let me know if that is possible! Talk soon,
>> Kathryn Webster
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 4, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey
>>> Who is going to washington seminar?
>>> I am looking for three girls to room with me.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Shikha.
>>> 
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> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  6 19:21:23 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:21:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What I want to see more of on this list
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Hello Roanna,

I am glad to hear you are interested in reading stories from people who have
attended an NFB training center. Cindy has already shared one resource where
you can read stories from people who have attended BLIND, Inc. I do not know
if the other two centers feature similar stories on their websites, but I
know these stories are out there to be found.

When I was interested in attending an NFB training center quite some time
ago, I searched the NFB website to find stories featuring personal
experiences from people who have attended all three of the NFB training
centers. I have contacted the chair of the website committee about putting
my collection of NFB training center stories on the NABS website for anyone
to read. I know it is possible for people to search the archives of the NABS
email list, but I thought the NABS website would be a good central location
that can be easily accessed by others. 

While we are working on putting these stories on the website, I will post
one story featuring each of the NFB training centers on the email list over
the next several weeks. The first story will be posted in a separate email
following this one. I hope you enjoy reading these stories and that they can
give you a sense of what it is like to attend an NFB training center. 

If you are seriously interested in attending an NFB training center, I would
highly encourage you to visit the center you are interested in attending if
it is something you can afford to do. However, if you are not able to visit
the NFB training center of your choice, talking to former and current
students can also provide helpful information as well. Some of these former
students have chosen to publish their experiences in the Braille Monitor.
Since I found these stories to be helpful, I thought I would simply pass
them along to others.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:52 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] What I want to see more of on this list

Hey Nabsters,

Hope y'all are doing well.  In the new year I would like to see more stories
about the Nfb training centers posted on this list.  
I'd like to bear how students have prepared to go to these centers for six
to nine months.  I'm also going to the editors of the Braille Monitor, the
Student Slate, and Future Reflections about putting more of these stories in
their magazines.

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  6 19:47:10 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:47:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Training Center Story from the Colorado Center for the
	Blind
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS1062A31BC8FC6FCFBF2BB75BA660@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

As indicated in my previous message, below you will find a story published
in the April 2002 Braille Monitor about attending the Colorado Center for
the Blind. This was one of my favorite stories when I was searching for
stories about personal experiences from people attending an NFB training
center. Although, as I read through it again, it still seems to speak to me.
I hope you enjoy reading it.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

---------

The Braille Monitor
April, 2002 

Half-Baked
by Karen Alexander

>From the Editor: Those who have graduated from NFB adult training centers
tell lots of funny stories and laugh about their student days. But their
small struggles and victories often get lost in all the talk about the
important skills landmarks they have passed and the profound philosophical
discoveries they have made for themselves. Karen Alexander is currently a
student at the Colorado Center for the Blind. She does not yet have the
perspective on her experience there that she will acquire when she can look
back at the entire experience, but she certainly does have a bird's eye view
of and appreciation for the day-to-day challenges facing students in these
demanding programs. In the following article she captures the frustrations
and exultation of her days at the Colorado Center and the anxiety of her
struggle to remain there long enough to acquire all the training she needs.
The article is reprinted from the Spring 2002 issue of the Buckeye Bulletin,
the publication of the NFB of Ohio. Here it is:

"Karen, your assignment today is to cross Alamo Street and go to the corner
of Main and Prince. Get a receipt from the shop there and bring it back to
me," said Sumara. I gulped and grinned half-heartedly. Sumara, my
orientation and mobility instructor at the Colorado Center for the Blind
(CCB), an NFB adult rehabilitation training center, was more confident in my
travel skills than I. Sensing my nervousness, she firmly encouraged me by
saying, "Ah, you can do it!" and dismissed me.

Stunned that my first solo crossing a major street while wearing sleep
shades was finally confronting me, I grabbed my cane and stumbled out of her
office. I proceeded to the front desk and signed myself out by typing on the
Brailler. Gulping my last taste of security, I found the front doors and
clacked my way out. It was a nice day for December--a little windy, but the
sun kept trying to appear through the clouds. Sunlight can be an important
part of orienting oneself while traveling. As I walked along the side
street, the sporadic sun rays gave me unenthusiastic warmth and comfort.
Telling myself that this wasn't mission Impossible  didn't make a difference
to my nervousness because I knew I was on travel assignment.

But I knew that being at CCB was therapeutic for me. The program and the
staff were helping me to trust myself again. I knew my self-confidence was
beginning to return. But even though I had been there for several months,
traveling under sleep shades was difficult. There were other students like
me who were legally blind. They seemed to take to traveling under sleep
shades like ducks to water. It seemed to me I was able to quack like a duck
and waddle like a duck, but I dreaded putting my webbed foot in the water,
not like a duck. Learning to travel was not easy. It seemed the other
student ducklings could waddle to their pools of water and enthusiastically
jump in. I on the other hand waddled around the banks of the pond, dreading
to get splashed.

But it is the other ducks that make the difference. The students at CCB
encourage each other. Not a day goes by that one does not hear the words,
"You can do it!" or "Look what you've learned!" When students go from Grade
I Braille to Grade II, the staff announce it over the school's P.A. system,
and cheers are heard all over the school. Hearing those cheers is part of
what changes people and reinforces their confidence. The philosophy classes
are run by the staff to challenge the way we view and approach life as blind
people. The wisdom taken from articles in the Braille Monitor, from Kernel
Book Stories, and from the life experiences of the staff is important to
hear. Perspective and wisdom come from those who walk the walk and not just
talk the talk.

Unfortunately too many wounded blind people can spout NFB philosophy but do
not apply it in their lives. They remain unchanged and lost in comfortable
prisons that protect their egos and pride. Not that they are arrogant, they
are just fearful of taking that step of faith to make life-changing
decisions. I truly think that deep in their hearts they do not believe the
philosophy will work for them. When meeting these wounded people, I say to
myself, "Don't tell the world what NFB philosophy is; show the world by
using the philosophy in your life."

It is encouraging to participate in a school run by the blind for the blind.
Students see others like themselves successfully living their lives. Those
who only talk the talk are missing an amazing opportunity to change and
better their lives. Because of CCB staff and students I can say with
confidence, "Quack, quack, I will learn to swim like a duck."

Well, that day I fondly remember as facing my Alamo was exactly as
successful as the original Alamo. Instead of crossing at the corner of Alamo
and Prince, I turned the corner and found another corner. Of course that is
the one I crossed. I had traveled a way down the street when I came to the
conclusion that I had blown it. I turned around and retraced my steps. I was
frustrated and scared.

Cars and trucks were zipping by me, and, as I walked over a bridge, a train
passed underneath it. When I am wearing sleep shades, something about the
sound of trains and trucks drives me crazy. I decided to sit on the ledge
there at the bridge and have a good cry. A man came and asked if he could
help me, but I waved him off. I just wanted to calm down. I knew I wasn't in
danger. I knew I could retrace my steps. I just hated the feeling of being
vulnerable and so awkward in traveling under sleep shades.

I said a little prayer, but my shaken and wounded ego was still reluctant to
return. The train had sped by, and there was a lull in the traffic. Coming
out of my self-absorption, I heard a beautiful sound: a cane tapping the
cement of the sidewalk. I called out, and to my delight it was one of the
students from CCB. She gave me a hug and let me cry for a while. I decided
to allow myself to be rescued and followed her on her route. When we were
close to the school, I heard Sumara calling my name. She was looking for her
little wandering duckling. I joked about the incident and said that I had
faced my Alamo and lost. Sumara said, "Ah, Karen, you're more than able to
cross that street," and walked with me back to the building.

Well you know, she was right. At my next attempt I crossed the street and
found the bath and candle shop even though I (heavy sigh) got lost in the
parking lot of a bank. A woman kept trying to help me, but I was doggedly
determined to find that sidewalk. I straightened myself up and said with
pride, "I am a student at the Colorado Center for the Blind and am on a
travel assignment. I am all right." After watching me for five minutes, she
shouted out in exasperation that the sidewalk was in front of me. Trying to
appear dignified, I gladly accepted the information and found the sidewalk.
Sometimes it is good to accept help even if it is not looked for. This was
definitely a grace-growing experience.

At the shop I purchased some inexpensive scented soaps for Sumara. It was
Christmas time and the day before I was to leave for home on school break. I
was going to place the gift on her desk to prove triumphantly I had done the
assignment. But I met Sumara on my way back and decided to give her the gift
right then. When I gave her a description of the parking lot incident, she
put it into perspective. She reminded me that it takes time and practice to
learn skills. I was too hard on myself and needed to relax. Thinking over
what she had said, I waddled after her and wondered how one relaxes when
facing the crossing of a busy street under sleep shades.

When the school day was over, I walked to the light rail train and got on. I
spotted an empty seat and sat down with a satisfied grunt. My sleep shades
were resolutely stored in my backpack, and my long white cane was faithfully
beside me. I was thinking of what I needed to get done before going to the
airport the next day. My regular stop was Broadway Station, where I would
get on the bus to Cherry Creek Tennis and Sailing Club apartments. CCB
leases apartments there for students to live in. The complex is huge with
gigantic buildings encircling a small lake. In the middle is a fountain that
shoots water four stories high. When I first saw them, they reminded me of
huge dinosaurs encircling a geyser. I now lovingly call the complex Jurassic
Apartments.

While riding the light rail, I relaxed. I thought of the day I had had. Even
though my success crossing Alamo had not gone the way I wanted, I had done
it. For a first-time solo crossing, it hadn't been that bad an experience. I
had crossed a major street while under sleep shades and using a cane,
something I never dreamt I could do. What an accomplishment! I began to
dream of the things I could accomplish and places I could go.

I remembered my feeling of losing independence as I began to lose my
sight--the pity in the voices of the doctors, family, and friends. I knew
they cared for me, but I could not imagine life without sight. Most of them
probably couldn't either. Eventually my eyesight diminished, and I chose to
give up driving. By making that choice, I felt I had given up my freedom.
Crossing major streets and going places became frustrating and fear-filled.
In the sunlight I couldn't see the streetlights. I was afraid to cross
streets that I had known since childhood. I felt like an invalid, worthless
to others and myself. Freedom became a memory.

My thoughts were interrupted when I heard the announcement that the train
was approaching Evans Station. The next stop would be Broadway Station, my
stop. I checked to make sure my backpack and cane were ready to grab
quickly. I began to make a mental checklist of what I needed in order to
finish my Christmas shopping. I wanted to go to Sam's Club when I got back
to Ohio to pick up some gifts. I began to plan how to arrange a ride to the
store when it suddenly dawned on me that I could go to Sam's Club in Denver.
The light-rail train stop after Broadway Station was Alameda Station. I had
been told that the commercial complex where Sam's Club was located was near
the station.

In fact, the train stopped right behind K-Mart, which was one of the stores
in the complex. It was then I decided to go to Sam's Club. I became excited
by the thought of trying to do something on my own. I had been to Sam's Club
but had not gone by this route. This was an exciting decision. It was like
the days when I used to drive a car. I would hear about a store or some
place I was interested in visiting. I would get general directions and go by
myself to find the spot. I didn't labor over each detail. I knew the major
streets in the area and would find the location.

My heart began to beat faster as the light rail approached, stopped, and
then left Broadway Station. I had made up my mind. I was going to do it. The
train approached and then stopped at Alameda. I got off and looked around,
and my heart sank. It seemed I was not exactly behind K-Mart. I was at a
station stop, and across the street was a parking lot. But I trusted the
information I had and crossed over to the parking lot. To my joy and the
health of my heart, on the other side of the parking lot across the street
was a building that I knew must be the back of K-Mart. When I got to the
street, I heard the sound of traffic to my left. I knew I had found Alameda.

I traveled down to the major intersection. My long white cane was faithfully
finding the bumps and curbs. I wasn't afraid. I knew how to cross the
street. The training I had received under sleep shades now paid off and gave
me confidence to cross a street that I would never have considered crossing
before my training. When the parallel traffic took off, I crossed the
street. I then hunted for the driveway that would lead me into the complex
and eventually to Sam's Club. It was a thrilling moment. I could take care
of myself. I could do what I wanted to do on my own. The wind was blowing
through my hair, and I felt as if it was a Yorkshire Chocolate Mint moment.
I was independent!

I walked through that complex and found Sam's Club, and I was able to
purchase some gifts. But I will never forget the thrill of that moment of
independence. The crossing of Alamo under sleep shades will never compare to
that experience. But the crossing of Alamo gave me the confidence and skills
to go by myself to Sam's Club that day.

I am now halfway through my program, and it's been a fight to get the
funding needed for my independence training. It seems that those who work at
the Ohio Bureau of Services for the Visually Impaired (BSVI) do not
understand why I need training. They believed that, since I have some sight,
I wouldn't need an intensive training program. I was told that I was
intelligent, that I could figure out and learn on my own the skills I needed
to return to school and then the work force.

When I arrived at CCB, BSVI had committed to paying for two months of
training. I had tried to communicate with my counselor my need to complete
the full program. I needed to become literate again by learning Braille. I
needed to learn alternative techniques and organization and personal skills
to deal with the loss of my sight. But most of all I needed to grow in
confidence. She didn't respond positively to my point of view.

I am fortunate to have NFB advocates in Ohio who really care about people.
Barbara Pierce and Eric Duffy are treasures that we dearly appreciate and
love. They work hard. From helping blind parents keep their babies to
wrestling with city metro bus drivers who refuse to announce stops, they
have made a difference in many people's lives.

I had a staffing at the end of November with my instructors and BSVI
counselor. The staffing conference was done using a speakerphone in order
for my counselor to participate. It was useful and gratifying for me to hear
the comments of the CCB staff regarding my progress. The last two months had
been profoundly challenging, and I was deeply thankful for the opportunity
to be at the CCB and participate in the adult rehabilitation program. I
hoped we were able to communicate to my counselor some part of the progress
I had been making, but she did not think I needed the full training program
and said she could not justify paying the additional money needed to
complete the program.

>From the beginning Barbara and Eric had supported and encouraged my choice
for independence training. When the two months were almost completed at CCB,
they helped convey my desire and need for additional training at CCB to BSVI
supervisors. Because of them I gained three more months of training.

The frustration I now face is that the more progress I make, the more
clearly I realize the true distance I still need to go. First of all, if I
am going to make a success of college courses, I must be fluent in reading
and writing Braille. I must be literate in order to complete my
undergraduate degree and successfully re-enter the working world. Frankly,
though I am making progress, I am not there yet. I believe blind students
should be able to take their own notes, not depend on sighted note-takers. I
must also have reasonable command of JAWS and the computer programs I will
need to do my work. I am not yet quick or confident in any of these areas.

In addition, if I am to travel efficiently to and from campus, around the
university, and in my personal circles, I want to master cane travel
thoroughly. I now have almost within my grasp the ability to use a cane with
a facility that is virtually unknown outside of the community of people
trained at NFB centers. I am still some distance from achieving this degree
of independence, but it is coming.

I am beginning to understand that the confidence in all areas of my life
that I am gaining here at the Center will sustain me wherever I go in
future. One of the most important things this program does is to allow me to
look my fear of blindness in the face and realize that it does not have to
mean the end of my useful life. With the skills I am beginning to master, I
can become a productive citizen and create a fruitful life for myself.

I fear it is unlikely that I will ever have another opportunity to be part
of a program like this one. Therefore I believe strongly that I need to
complete the six-to-nine-month program now, before I have to face the
academic demands of college and the challenge of traveling independently
around Ohio and wherever else my career leads me.

I am thankful that BSVI has believed in me thus far, but I hope they can
understand why I feel compelled to point out my pressing need for full
support. The sad truth is that I am now nearing the condition of being
half-baked, and like a cake beginning to rise in the oven, I fear that I
will fall flat if I am forced to move on to the next stage of my life
without full mastery of and confidence in the skills I have begun to learn.
I am working as hard as I know how to, but acquiring life-changing skills
and attitudes does take time.

I hope my training will allow family, friends, and those who work in the
Bureau of Services for the Visually Impaired to see what can happen to those
who complete NFB training programs so that other blind people can have the
same opportunity that I have had. I give many thanks to my family, friends,
and church who have supported me with their prayers, encouragement, and
finances. I thank the BSVI for their financial support. I thank the National
Federation of the Blind for its belief in me, and I thank the students and
staff at the CCB, who are making a difference in their own lives as well as
mine.




From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 21:23:45 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:23:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hey
Message-ID: <29846EDB-2526-49E2-A648-140DB75403B9@gmail.com>

Hey, 
My name is Shikha and i am still looking for 3 girls to room with me at Washington seminar. 
The girls that i was originally going to room with are going to room with someone else. 
Please let me know if anyone can help me because i do not want to room on my own. 

Thanks, 
   

Shikha. 

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 21:29:39 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 16:29:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Training Center Story from the Colorado Center for
	theBlind
Message-ID: <54837546.c702e00a.39cf.668b@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth thanks for mosting this story.  I really enjoyed 
reading about the experievers that Karen had while she was at the 
center.  I am not looking into intensive tleing right neaow but I 
might conscger it after college.


From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 01:41:39 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 20:41:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Training Center Story from the Colorado Center for
	the	Blind
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Excellent article. It's items like these that make me want to come back.

I wish the centers would consider some sort of remote training or some sort
of condensed program for working professionals. The article was especially
touching for me, because as I draw closer and closer to losing all my sight,
I think I could benefit from sleep shade training. It's a humbling
experience going from reading regular print to just barely distinguishing
sidewalks, crosswalks, and traffic lights. I work well with my cane and use
my ears well, and I still dare cars to hit me when I cross an intersection
knowing there are only a few seconds before the light changes. But, you know
it's that extra bit of confidence I feel makes all the difference in the
world.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but thanks for sharing that. If you're on your way to
college, or in college, go to a training center now. Don't wait until you
get out and work. You'll never do it.

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
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Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Training Center Story from the Colorado Center for the
Blind

Hello All,

As indicated in my previous message, below you will find a story published
in the April 2002 Braille Monitor about attending the Colorado Center for
the Blind. This was one of my favorite stories when I was searching for
stories about personal experiences from people attending an NFB training
center. Although, as I read through it again, it still seems to speak to me.
I hope you enjoy reading it.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

---------

The Braille Monitor
April, 2002 

Half-Baked
by Karen Alexander

>From the Editor: Those who have graduated from NFB adult training centers
tell lots of funny stories and laugh about their student days. But their
small struggles and victories often get lost in all the talk about the
important skills landmarks they have passed and the profound philosophical
discoveries they have made for themselves. Karen Alexander is currently a
student at the Colorado Center for the Blind. She does not yet have the
perspective on her experience there that she will acquire when she can look
back at the entire experience, but she certainly does have a bird's eye view
of and appreciation for the day-to-day challenges facing students in these
demanding programs. In the following article she captures the frustrations
and exultation of her days at the Colorado Center and the anxiety of her
struggle to remain there long enough to acquire all the training she needs.
The article is reprinted from the Spring 2002 issue of the Buckeye Bulletin,
the publication of the NFB of Ohio. Here it is:

"Karen, your assignment today is to cross Alamo Street and go to the corner
of Main and Prince. Get a receipt from the shop there and bring it back to
me," said Sumara. I gulped and grinned half-heartedly. Sumara, my
orientation and mobility instructor at the Colorado Center for the Blind
(CCB), an NFB adult rehabilitation training center, was more confident in my
travel skills than I. Sensing my nervousness, she firmly encouraged me by
saying, "Ah, you can do it!" and dismissed me.

Stunned that my first solo crossing a major street while wearing sleep
shades was finally confronting me, I grabbed my cane and stumbled out of her
office. I proceeded to the front desk and signed myself out by typing on the
Brailler. Gulping my last taste of security, I found the front doors and
clacked my way out. It was a nice day for December--a little windy, but the
sun kept trying to appear through the clouds. Sunlight can be an important
part of orienting oneself while traveling. As I walked along the side
street, the sporadic sun rays gave me unenthusiastic warmth and comfort.
Telling myself that this wasn't mission Impossible  didn't make a difference
to my nervousness because I knew I was on travel assignment.

But I knew that being at CCB was therapeutic for me. The program and the
staff were helping me to trust myself again. I knew my self-confidence was
beginning to return. But even though I had been there for several months,
traveling under sleep shades was difficult. There were other students like
me who were legally blind. They seemed to take to traveling under sleep
shades like ducks to water. It seemed to me I was able to quack like a duck
and waddle like a duck, but I dreaded putting my webbed foot in the water,
not like a duck. Learning to travel was not easy. It seemed the other
student ducklings could waddle to their pools of water and enthusiastically
jump in. I on the other hand waddled around the banks of the pond, dreading
to get splashed.

But it is the other ducks that make the difference. The students at CCB
encourage each other. Not a day goes by that one does not hear the words,
"You can do it!" or "Look what you've learned!" When students go from Grade
I Braille to Grade II, the staff announce it over the school's P.A. system,
and cheers are heard all over the school. Hearing those cheers is part of
what changes people and reinforces their confidence. The philosophy classes
are run by the staff to challenge the way we view and approach life as blind
people. The wisdom taken from articles in the Braille Monitor, from Kernel
Book Stories, and from the life experiences of the staff is important to
hear. Perspective and wisdom come from those who walk the walk and not just
talk the talk.

Unfortunately too many wounded blind people can spout NFB philosophy but do
not apply it in their lives. They remain unchanged and lost in comfortable
prisons that protect their egos and pride. Not that they are arrogant, they
are just fearful of taking that step of faith to make life-changing
decisions. I truly think that deep in their hearts they do not believe the
philosophy will work for them. When meeting these wounded people, I say to
myself, "Don't tell the world what NFB philosophy is; show the world by
using the philosophy in your life."

It is encouraging to participate in a school run by the blind for the blind.
Students see others like themselves successfully living their lives. Those
who only talk the talk are missing an amazing opportunity to change and
better their lives. Because of CCB staff and students I can say with
confidence, "Quack, quack, I will learn to swim like a duck."

Well, that day I fondly remember as facing my Alamo was exactly as
successful as the original Alamo. Instead of crossing at the corner of Alamo
and Prince, I turned the corner and found another corner. Of course that is
the one I crossed. I had traveled a way down the street when I came to the
conclusion that I had blown it. I turned around and retraced my steps. I was
frustrated and scared.

Cars and trucks were zipping by me, and, as I walked over a bridge, a train
passed underneath it. When I am wearing sleep shades, something about the
sound of trains and trucks drives me crazy. I decided to sit on the ledge
there at the bridge and have a good cry. A man came and asked if he could
help me, but I waved him off. I just wanted to calm down. I knew I wasn't in
danger. I knew I could retrace my steps. I just hated the feeling of being
vulnerable and so awkward in traveling under sleep shades.

I said a little prayer, but my shaken and wounded ego was still reluctant to
return. The train had sped by, and there was a lull in the traffic. Coming
out of my self-absorption, I heard a beautiful sound: a cane tapping the
cement of the sidewalk. I called out, and to my delight it was one of the
students from CCB. She gave me a hug and let me cry for a while. I decided
to allow myself to be rescued and followed her on her route. When we were
close to the school, I heard Sumara calling my name. She was looking for her
little wandering duckling. I joked about the incident and said that I had
faced my Alamo and lost. Sumara said, "Ah, Karen, you're more than able to
cross that street," and walked with me back to the building.

Well you know, she was right. At my next attempt I crossed the street and
found the bath and candle shop even though I (heavy sigh) got lost in the
parking lot of a bank. A woman kept trying to help me, but I was doggedly
determined to find that sidewalk. I straightened myself up and said with
pride, "I am a student at the Colorado Center for the Blind and am on a
travel assignment. I am all right." After watching me for five minutes, she
shouted out in exasperation that the sidewalk was in front of me. Trying to
appear dignified, I gladly accepted the information and found the sidewalk.
Sometimes it is good to accept help even if it is not looked for. This was
definitely a grace-growing experience.

At the shop I purchased some inexpensive scented soaps for Sumara. It was
Christmas time and the day before I was to leave for home on school break. I
was going to place the gift on her desk to prove triumphantly I had done the
assignment. But I met Sumara on my way back and decided to give her the gift
right then. When I gave her a description of the parking lot incident, she
put it into perspective. She reminded me that it takes time and practice to
learn skills. I was too hard on myself and needed to relax. Thinking over
what she had said, I waddled after her and wondered how one relaxes when
facing the crossing of a busy street under sleep shades.

When the school day was over, I walked to the light rail train and got on. I
spotted an empty seat and sat down with a satisfied grunt. My sleep shades
were resolutely stored in my backpack, and my long white cane was faithfully
beside me. I was thinking of what I needed to get done before going to the
airport the next day. My regular stop was Broadway Station, where I would
get on the bus to Cherry Creek Tennis and Sailing Club apartments. CCB
leases apartments there for students to live in. The complex is huge with
gigantic buildings encircling a small lake. In the middle is a fountain that
shoots water four stories high. When I first saw them, they reminded me of
huge dinosaurs encircling a geyser. I now lovingly call the complex Jurassic
Apartments.

While riding the light rail, I relaxed. I thought of the day I had had. Even
though my success crossing Alamo had not gone the way I wanted, I had done
it. For a first-time solo crossing, it hadn't been that bad an experience. I
had crossed a major street while under sleep shades and using a cane,
something I never dreamt I could do. What an accomplishment! I began to
dream of the things I could accomplish and places I could go.

I remembered my feeling of losing independence as I began to lose my
sight--the pity in the voices of the doctors, family, and friends. I knew
they cared for me, but I could not imagine life without sight. Most of them
probably couldn't either. Eventually my eyesight diminished, and I chose to
give up driving. By making that choice, I felt I had given up my freedom.
Crossing major streets and going places became frustrating and fear-filled.
In the sunlight I couldn't see the streetlights. I was afraid to cross
streets that I had known since childhood. I felt like an invalid, worthless
to others and myself. Freedom became a memory.

My thoughts were interrupted when I heard the announcement that the train
was approaching Evans Station. The next stop would be Broadway Station, my
stop. I checked to make sure my backpack and cane were ready to grab
quickly. I began to make a mental checklist of what I needed in order to
finish my Christmas shopping. I wanted to go to Sam's Club when I got back
to Ohio to pick up some gifts. I began to plan how to arrange a ride to the
store when it suddenly dawned on me that I could go to Sam's Club in Denver.
The light-rail train stop after Broadway Station was Alameda Station. I had
been told that the commercial complex where Sam's Club was located was near
the station.

In fact, the train stopped right behind K-Mart, which was one of the stores
in the complex. It was then I decided to go to Sam's Club. I became excited
by the thought of trying to do something on my own. I had been to Sam's Club
but had not gone by this route. This was an exciting decision. It was like
the days when I used to drive a car. I would hear about a store or some
place I was interested in visiting. I would get general directions and go by
myself to find the spot. I didn't labor over each detail. I knew the major
streets in the area and would find the location.

My heart began to beat faster as the light rail approached, stopped, and
then left Broadway Station. I had made up my mind. I was going to do it. The
train approached and then stopped at Alameda. I got off and looked around,
and my heart sank. It seemed I was not exactly behind K-Mart. I was at a
station stop, and across the street was a parking lot. But I trusted the
information I had and crossed over to the parking lot. To my joy and the
health of my heart, on the other side of the parking lot across the street
was a building that I knew must be the back of K-Mart. When I got to the
street, I heard the sound of traffic to my left. I knew I had found Alameda.

I traveled down to the major intersection. My long white cane was faithfully
finding the bumps and curbs. I wasn't afraid. I knew how to cross the
street. The training I had received under sleep shades now paid off and gave
me confidence to cross a street that I would never have considered crossing
before my training. When the parallel traffic took off, I crossed the
street. I then hunted for the driveway that would lead me into the complex
and eventually to Sam's Club. It was a thrilling moment. I could take care
of myself. I could do what I wanted to do on my own. The wind was blowing
through my hair, and I felt as if it was a Yorkshire Chocolate Mint moment.
I was independent!

I walked through that complex and found Sam's Club, and I was able to
purchase some gifts. But I will never forget the thrill of that moment of
independence. The crossing of Alamo under sleep shades will never compare to
that experience. But the crossing of Alamo gave me the confidence and skills
to go by myself to Sam's Club that day.

I am now halfway through my program, and it's been a fight to get the
funding needed for my independence training. It seems that those who work at
the Ohio Bureau of Services for the Visually Impaired (BSVI) do not
understand why I need training. They believed that, since I have some sight,
I wouldn't need an intensive training program. I was told that I was
intelligent, that I could figure out and learn on my own the skills I needed
to return to school and then the work force.

When I arrived at CCB, BSVI had committed to paying for two months of
training. I had tried to communicate with my counselor my need to complete
the full program. I needed to become literate again by learning Braille. I
needed to learn alternative techniques and organization and personal skills
to deal with the loss of my sight. But most of all I needed to grow in
confidence. She didn't respond positively to my point of view.

I am fortunate to have NFB advocates in Ohio who really care about people.
Barbara Pierce and Eric Duffy are treasures that we dearly appreciate and
love. They work hard. From helping blind parents keep their babies to
wrestling with city metro bus drivers who refuse to announce stops, they
have made a difference in many people's lives.

I had a staffing at the end of November with my instructors and BSVI
counselor. The staffing conference was done using a speakerphone in order
for my counselor to participate. It was useful and gratifying for me to hear
the comments of the CCB staff regarding my progress. The last two months had
been profoundly challenging, and I was deeply thankful for the opportunity
to be at the CCB and participate in the adult rehabilitation program. I
hoped we were able to communicate to my counselor some part of the progress
I had been making, but she did not think I needed the full training program
and said she could not justify paying the additional money needed to
complete the program.

>From the beginning Barbara and Eric had supported and encouraged my choice
for independence training. When the two months were almost completed at CCB,
they helped convey my desire and need for additional training at CCB to BSVI
supervisors. Because of them I gained three more months of training.

The frustration I now face is that the more progress I make, the more
clearly I realize the true distance I still need to go. First of all, if I
am going to make a success of college courses, I must be fluent in reading
and writing Braille. I must be literate in order to complete my
undergraduate degree and successfully re-enter the working world. Frankly,
though I am making progress, I am not there yet. I believe blind students
should be able to take their own notes, not depend on sighted note-takers. I
must also have reasonable command of JAWS and the computer programs I will
need to do my work. I am not yet quick or confident in any of these areas.

In addition, if I am to travel efficiently to and from campus, around the
university, and in my personal circles, I want to master cane travel
thoroughly. I now have almost within my grasp the ability to use a cane with
a facility that is virtually unknown outside of the community of people
trained at NFB centers. I am still some distance from achieving this degree
of independence, but it is coming.

I am beginning to understand that the confidence in all areas of my life
that I am gaining here at the Center will sustain me wherever I go in
future. One of the most important things this program does is to allow me to
look my fear of blindness in the face and realize that it does not have to
mean the end of my useful life. With the skills I am beginning to master, I
can become a productive citizen and create a fruitful life for myself.

I fear it is unlikely that I will ever have another opportunity to be part
of a program like this one. Therefore I believe strongly that I need to
complete the six-to-nine-month program now, before I have to face the
academic demands of college and the challenge of traveling independently
around Ohio and wherever else my career leads me.

I am thankful that BSVI has believed in me thus far, but I hope they can
understand why I feel compelled to point out my pressing need for full
support. The sad truth is that I am now nearing the condition of being
half-baked, and like a cake beginning to rise in the oven, I fear that I
will fall flat if I am forced to move on to the next stage of my life
without full mastery of and confidence in the skills I have begun to learn.
I am working as hard as I know how to, but acquiring life-changing skills
and attitudes does take time.

I hope my training will allow family, friends, and those who work in the
Bureau of Services for the Visually Impaired to see what can happen to those
who complete NFB training programs so that other blind people can have the
same opportunity that I have had. I give many thanks to my family, friends,
and church who have supported me with their prayers, encouragement, and
finances. I thank the BSVI for their financial support. I thank the National
Federation of the Blind for its belief in me, and I thank the students and
staff at the CCB, who are making a difference in their own lives as well as
mine.



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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 01:43:11 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 20:43:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Training Center Story from the Colorado Center for
	the Blind
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Elizabeth,

Thank you for sharing this. I absolutely loved reading this story and reflecting on similar experiences in my LCB summer program training. With the Christmas season in full swing, I'm inspired now to do some Christmas shopping on my own again. I've been missing the liberation those types of experiences bring me. The feeling of freedom one gets while in training is truly a wonderful thing!

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Dec 6, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> As indicated in my previous message, below you will find a story published
> in the April 2002 Braille Monitor about attending the Colorado Center for
> the Blind. This was one of my favorite stories when I was searching for
> stories about personal experiences from people attending an NFB training
> center. Although, as I read through it again, it still seems to speak to me.
> I hope you enjoy reading it.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> ---------
> 
> The Braille Monitor
> April, 2002 
> 
> Half-Baked
> by Karen Alexander
> 
> From the Editor: Those who have graduated from NFB adult training centers
> tell lots of funny stories and laugh about their student days. But their
> small struggles and victories often get lost in all the talk about the
> important skills landmarks they have passed and the profound philosophical
> discoveries they have made for themselves. Karen Alexander is currently a
> student at the Colorado Center for the Blind. She does not yet have the
> perspective on her experience there that she will acquire when she can look
> back at the entire experience, but she certainly does have a bird's eye view
> of and appreciation for the day-to-day challenges facing students in these
> demanding programs. In the following article she captures the frustrations
> and exultation of her days at the Colorado Center and the anxiety of her
> struggle to remain there long enough to acquire all the training she needs.
> The article is reprinted from the Spring 2002 issue of the Buckeye Bulletin,
> the publication of the NFB of Ohio. Here it is:
> 
> "Karen, your assignment today is to cross Alamo Street and go to the corner
> of Main and Prince. Get a receipt from the shop there and bring it back to
> me," said Sumara. I gulped and grinned half-heartedly. Sumara, my
> orientation and mobility instructor at the Colorado Center for the Blind
> (CCB), an NFB adult rehabilitation training center, was more confident in my
> travel skills than I. Sensing my nervousness, she firmly encouraged me by
> saying, "Ah, you can do it!" and dismissed me.
> 
> Stunned that my first solo crossing a major street while wearing sleep
> shades was finally confronting me, I grabbed my cane and stumbled out of her
> office. I proceeded to the front desk and signed myself out by typing on the
> Brailler. Gulping my last taste of security, I found the front doors and
> clacked my way out. It was a nice day for December--a little windy, but the
> sun kept trying to appear through the clouds. Sunlight can be an important
> part of orienting oneself while traveling. As I walked along the side
> street, the sporadic sun rays gave me unenthusiastic warmth and comfort.
> Telling myself that this wasn't mission Impossible  didn't make a difference
> to my nervousness because I knew I was on travel assignment.
> 
> But I knew that being at CCB was therapeutic for me. The program and the
> staff were helping me to trust myself again. I knew my self-confidence was
> beginning to return. But even though I had been there for several months,
> traveling under sleep shades was difficult. There were other students like
> me who were legally blind. They seemed to take to traveling under sleep
> shades like ducks to water. It seemed to me I was able to quack like a duck
> and waddle like a duck, but I dreaded putting my webbed foot in the water,
> not like a duck. Learning to travel was not easy. It seemed the other
> student ducklings could waddle to their pools of water and enthusiastically
> jump in. I on the other hand waddled around the banks of the pond, dreading
> to get splashed.
> 
> But it is the other ducks that make the difference. The students at CCB
> encourage each other. Not a day goes by that one does not hear the words,
> "You can do it!" or "Look what you've learned!" When students go from Grade
> I Braille to Grade II, the staff announce it over the school's P.A. system,
> and cheers are heard all over the school. Hearing those cheers is part of
> what changes people and reinforces their confidence. The philosophy classes
> are run by the staff to challenge the way we view and approach life as blind
> people. The wisdom taken from articles in the Braille Monitor, from Kernel
> Book Stories, and from the life experiences of the staff is important to
> hear. Perspective and wisdom come from those who walk the walk and not just
> talk the talk.
> 
> Unfortunately too many wounded blind people can spout NFB philosophy but do
> not apply it in their lives. They remain unchanged and lost in comfortable
> prisons that protect their egos and pride. Not that they are arrogant, they
> are just fearful of taking that step of faith to make life-changing
> decisions. I truly think that deep in their hearts they do not believe the
> philosophy will work for them. When meeting these wounded people, I say to
> myself, "Don't tell the world what NFB philosophy is; show the world by
> using the philosophy in your life."
> 
> It is encouraging to participate in a school run by the blind for the blind.
> Students see others like themselves successfully living their lives. Those
> who only talk the talk are missing an amazing opportunity to change and
> better their lives. Because of CCB staff and students I can say with
> confidence, "Quack, quack, I will learn to swim like a duck."
> 
> Well, that day I fondly remember as facing my Alamo was exactly as
> successful as the original Alamo. Instead of crossing at the corner of Alamo
> and Prince, I turned the corner and found another corner. Of course that is
> the one I crossed. I had traveled a way down the street when I came to the
> conclusion that I had blown it. I turned around and retraced my steps. I was
> frustrated and scared.
> 
> Cars and trucks were zipping by me, and, as I walked over a bridge, a train
> passed underneath it. When I am wearing sleep shades, something about the
> sound of trains and trucks drives me crazy. I decided to sit on the ledge
> there at the bridge and have a good cry. A man came and asked if he could
> help me, but I waved him off. I just wanted to calm down. I knew I wasn't in
> danger. I knew I could retrace my steps. I just hated the feeling of being
> vulnerable and so awkward in traveling under sleep shades.
> 
> I said a little prayer, but my shaken and wounded ego was still reluctant to
> return. The train had sped by, and there was a lull in the traffic. Coming
> out of my self-absorption, I heard a beautiful sound: a cane tapping the
> cement of the sidewalk. I called out, and to my delight it was one of the
> students from CCB. She gave me a hug and let me cry for a while. I decided
> to allow myself to be rescued and followed her on her route. When we were
> close to the school, I heard Sumara calling my name. She was looking for her
> little wandering duckling. I joked about the incident and said that I had
> faced my Alamo and lost. Sumara said, "Ah, Karen, you're more than able to
> cross that street," and walked with me back to the building.
> 
> Well you know, she was right. At my next attempt I crossed the street and
> found the bath and candle shop even though I (heavy sigh) got lost in the
> parking lot of a bank. A woman kept trying to help me, but I was doggedly
> determined to find that sidewalk. I straightened myself up and said with
> pride, "I am a student at the Colorado Center for the Blind and am on a
> travel assignment. I am all right." After watching me for five minutes, she
> shouted out in exasperation that the sidewalk was in front of me. Trying to
> appear dignified, I gladly accepted the information and found the sidewalk.
> Sometimes it is good to accept help even if it is not looked for. This was
> definitely a grace-growing experience.
> 
> At the shop I purchased some inexpensive scented soaps for Sumara. It was
> Christmas time and the day before I was to leave for home on school break. I
> was going to place the gift on her desk to prove triumphantly I had done the
> assignment. But I met Sumara on my way back and decided to give her the gift
> right then. When I gave her a description of the parking lot incident, she
> put it into perspective. She reminded me that it takes time and practice to
> learn skills. I was too hard on myself and needed to relax. Thinking over
> what she had said, I waddled after her and wondered how one relaxes when
> facing the crossing of a busy street under sleep shades.
> 
> When the school day was over, I walked to the light rail train and got on. I
> spotted an empty seat and sat down with a satisfied grunt. My sleep shades
> were resolutely stored in my backpack, and my long white cane was faithfully
> beside me. I was thinking of what I needed to get done before going to the
> airport the next day. My regular stop was Broadway Station, where I would
> get on the bus to Cherry Creek Tennis and Sailing Club apartments. CCB
> leases apartments there for students to live in. The complex is huge with
> gigantic buildings encircling a small lake. In the middle is a fountain that
> shoots water four stories high. When I first saw them, they reminded me of
> huge dinosaurs encircling a geyser. I now lovingly call the complex Jurassic
> Apartments.
> 
> While riding the light rail, I relaxed. I thought of the day I had had. Even
> though my success crossing Alamo had not gone the way I wanted, I had done
> it. For a first-time solo crossing, it hadn't been that bad an experience. I
> had crossed a major street while under sleep shades and using a cane,
> something I never dreamt I could do. What an accomplishment! I began to
> dream of the things I could accomplish and places I could go.
> 
> I remembered my feeling of losing independence as I began to lose my
> sight--the pity in the voices of the doctors, family, and friends. I knew
> they cared for me, but I could not imagine life without sight. Most of them
> probably couldn't either. Eventually my eyesight diminished, and I chose to
> give up driving. By making that choice, I felt I had given up my freedom.
> Crossing major streets and going places became frustrating and fear-filled.
> In the sunlight I couldn't see the streetlights. I was afraid to cross
> streets that I had known since childhood. I felt like an invalid, worthless
> to others and myself. Freedom became a memory.
> 
> My thoughts were interrupted when I heard the announcement that the train
> was approaching Evans Station. The next stop would be Broadway Station, my
> stop. I checked to make sure my backpack and cane were ready to grab
> quickly. I began to make a mental checklist of what I needed in order to
> finish my Christmas shopping. I wanted to go to Sam's Club when I got back
> to Ohio to pick up some gifts. I began to plan how to arrange a ride to the
> store when it suddenly dawned on me that I could go to Sam's Club in Denver.
> The light-rail train stop after Broadway Station was Alameda Station. I had
> been told that the commercial complex where Sam's Club was located was near
> the station.
> 
> In fact, the train stopped right behind K-Mart, which was one of the stores
> in the complex. It was then I decided to go to Sam's Club. I became excited
> by the thought of trying to do something on my own. I had been to Sam's Club
> but had not gone by this route. This was an exciting decision. It was like
> the days when I used to drive a car. I would hear about a store or some
> place I was interested in visiting. I would get general directions and go by
> myself to find the spot. I didn't labor over each detail. I knew the major
> streets in the area and would find the location.
> 
> My heart began to beat faster as the light rail approached, stopped, and
> then left Broadway Station. I had made up my mind. I was going to do it. The
> train approached and then stopped at Alameda. I got off and looked around,
> and my heart sank. It seemed I was not exactly behind K-Mart. I was at a
> station stop, and across the street was a parking lot. But I trusted the
> information I had and crossed over to the parking lot. To my joy and the
> health of my heart, on the other side of the parking lot across the street
> was a building that I knew must be the back of K-Mart. When I got to the
> street, I heard the sound of traffic to my left. I knew I had found Alameda.
> 
> I traveled down to the major intersection. My long white cane was faithfully
> finding the bumps and curbs. I wasn't afraid. I knew how to cross the
> street. The training I had received under sleep shades now paid off and gave
> me confidence to cross a street that I would never have considered crossing
> before my training. When the parallel traffic took off, I crossed the
> street. I then hunted for the driveway that would lead me into the complex
> and eventually to Sam's Club. It was a thrilling moment. I could take care
> of myself. I could do what I wanted to do on my own. The wind was blowing
> through my hair, and I felt as if it was a Yorkshire Chocolate Mint moment.
> I was independent!
> 
> I walked through that complex and found Sam's Club, and I was able to
> purchase some gifts. But I will never forget the thrill of that moment of
> independence. The crossing of Alamo under sleep shades will never compare to
> that experience. But the crossing of Alamo gave me the confidence and skills
> to go by myself to Sam's Club that day.
> 
> I am now halfway through my program, and it's been a fight to get the
> funding needed for my independence training. It seems that those who work at
> the Ohio Bureau of Services for the Visually Impaired (BSVI) do not
> understand why I need training. They believed that, since I have some sight,
> I wouldn't need an intensive training program. I was told that I was
> intelligent, that I could figure out and learn on my own the skills I needed
> to return to school and then the work force.
> 
> When I arrived at CCB, BSVI had committed to paying for two months of
> training. I had tried to communicate with my counselor my need to complete
> the full program. I needed to become literate again by learning Braille. I
> needed to learn alternative techniques and organization and personal skills
> to deal with the loss of my sight. But most of all I needed to grow in
> confidence. She didn't respond positively to my point of view.
> 
> I am fortunate to have NFB advocates in Ohio who really care about people.
> Barbara Pierce and Eric Duffy are treasures that we dearly appreciate and
> love. They work hard. From helping blind parents keep their babies to
> wrestling with city metro bus drivers who refuse to announce stops, they
> have made a difference in many people's lives.
> 
> I had a staffing at the end of November with my instructors and BSVI
> counselor. The staffing conference was done using a speakerphone in order
> for my counselor to participate. It was useful and gratifying for me to hear
> the comments of the CCB staff regarding my progress. The last two months had
> been profoundly challenging, and I was deeply thankful for the opportunity
> to be at the CCB and participate in the adult rehabilitation program. I
> hoped we were able to communicate to my counselor some part of the progress
> I had been making, but she did not think I needed the full training program
> and said she could not justify paying the additional money needed to
> complete the program.
> 
> From the beginning Barbara and Eric had supported and encouraged my choice
> for independence training. When the two months were almost completed at CCB,
> they helped convey my desire and need for additional training at CCB to BSVI
> supervisors. Because of them I gained three more months of training.
> 
> The frustration I now face is that the more progress I make, the more
> clearly I realize the true distance I still need to go. First of all, if I
> am going to make a success of college courses, I must be fluent in reading
> and writing Braille. I must be literate in order to complete my
> undergraduate degree and successfully re-enter the working world. Frankly,
> though I am making progress, I am not there yet. I believe blind students
> should be able to take their own notes, not depend on sighted note-takers. I
> must also have reasonable command of JAWS and the computer programs I will
> need to do my work. I am not yet quick or confident in any of these areas.
> 
> In addition, if I am to travel efficiently to and from campus, around the
> university, and in my personal circles, I want to master cane travel
> thoroughly. I now have almost within my grasp the ability to use a cane with
> a facility that is virtually unknown outside of the community of people
> trained at NFB centers. I am still some distance from achieving this degree
> of independence, but it is coming.
> 
> I am beginning to understand that the confidence in all areas of my life
> that I am gaining here at the Center will sustain me wherever I go in
> future. One of the most important things this program does is to allow me to
> look my fear of blindness in the face and realize that it does not have to
> mean the end of my useful life. With the skills I am beginning to master, I
> can become a productive citizen and create a fruitful life for myself.
> 
> I fear it is unlikely that I will ever have another opportunity to be part
> of a program like this one. Therefore I believe strongly that I need to
> complete the six-to-nine-month program now, before I have to face the
> academic demands of college and the challenge of traveling independently
> around Ohio and wherever else my career leads me.
> 
> I am thankful that BSVI has believed in me thus far, but I hope they can
> understand why I feel compelled to point out my pressing need for full
> support. The sad truth is that I am now nearing the condition of being
> half-baked, and like a cake beginning to rise in the oven, I fear that I
> will fall flat if I am forced to move on to the next stage of my life
> without full mastery of and confidence in the skills I have begun to learn.
> I am working as hard as I know how to, but acquiring life-changing skills
> and attitudes does take time.
> 
> I hope my training will allow family, friends, and those who work in the
> Bureau of Services for the Visually Impaired to see what can happen to those
> who complete NFB training programs so that other blind people can have the
> same opportunity that I have had. I give many thanks to my family, friends,
> and church who have supported me with their prayers, encouragement, and
> finances. I thank the BSVI for their financial support. I thank the National
> Federation of the Blind for its belief in me, and I thank the students and
> staff at the CCB, who are making a difference in their own lives as well as
> mine.
> 
> 
> 
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From gcazares10 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 05:34:31 2014
From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:34:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NABs and thw Washington seminar
In-Reply-To: <7F320EFD-2ADE-40CF-A274-7BFA5A74F712@gmail.com>
References: <CAE8_=nTXn6wCOkFVqSMme05dOEOaCQVkLqV8Q_Tb=n3Qt78Zwg@mail.gmail.com>
	<7F320EFD-2ADE-40CF-A274-7BFA5A74F712@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5F352A78-5CF7-4DBB-AC8B-EE44B1ED4C64@gmail.com>

Hey y'all,
NABS events will take place on Monday, January 26. Hope this helps.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 5, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Usually the NABS stuff happens on the morning/early afternoon of the first day, usually a Monday. Unfortunately, I can't remember this year's dates, though.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD
> 
> "Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."
> 
>> On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:02 AM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey All,
>> Can someone please remind me when the NABS events will be during the
>> Washington Seminar?
>> Thanks,
>> Aleeha
>> 
>> -- 
>> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Yellow Labrador Dallas
>> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>> Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199
>> 
>> The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
>> - Arabian Proverb
>> 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 19:21:30 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 14:21:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Organizing your Life: Calendar and Scheduling Apps
Message-ID: <00cb01d01253$01c64160$0552c420$@gmail.com>

Hello All,

 

As my life gets busier and busier, I'm finding that my memory is sometimes
failing me in the area of my daily schedule and reminders to do certain
things. I am observing that many of my friends, both sighted and blind, are
keeping track of their daily appointments on their smartphones. However,
though I have an iPhone, I guess this is one area in which I have not fully
progressed into the 21st century.

 

I would be interested, then, to get some feedback from those of you on these
lists who are more organized than I as to what iPhone apps you use for
organizational purposes. If not an iOS app, what other system(s) do you use
for this? Outlook Calendar? Google Calendar? The good old-fashioned slate
and stylus? Also, could you direct me toward any resources which provide
tutorials on the use of such programs? Thank you in advance for any light
you can shed on this important topic.

 

Chris


From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Sun Dec  7 19:29:32 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 14:29:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Organizing your Life: Calendar and Scheduling Apps
In-Reply-To: <00cb01d01253$01c64160$0552c420$@gmail.com>
References: <00cb01d01253$01c64160$0552c420$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005e01d01254$20e425c0$62ac7140$@fuse.net>

I am interested in this, as well. I am particularly interested, if available
entering appointments on a computer and then getting reminders through my
phone. Not sure if this is possible. 
Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:22 PM
To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Organizing your Life: Calendar and Scheduling Apps

Hello All,

 

As my life gets busier and busier, I'm finding that my memory is sometimes
failing me in the area of my daily schedule and reminders to do certain
things. I am observing that many of my friends, both sighted and blind, are
keeping track of their daily appointments on their smartphones. However,
though I have an iPhone, I guess this is one area in which I have not fully
progressed into the 21st century.

 

I would be interested, then, to get some feedback from those of you on these
lists who are more organized than I as to what iPhone apps you use for
organizational purposes. If not an iOS app, what other system(s) do you use
for this? Outlook Calendar? Google Calendar? The good old-fashioned slate
and stylus? Also, could you direct me toward any resources which provide
tutorials on the use of such programs? Thank you in advance for any light
you can shed on this important topic.

 

Chris

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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 19:38:24 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:38:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Organizing your Life: Calendar and Scheduling Apps
In-Reply-To: <005e01d01254$20e425c0$62ac7140$@fuse.net>
References: <00cb01d01253$01c64160$0552c420$@gmail.com>
	<005e01d01254$20e425c0$62ac7140$@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <5484ACB0.3050900@gmail.com>

  Sometimes I use my Apex; sometimes the Iphone's Calendar app; the 
Reminder? I haven't found it as useful, especially in that I don't know 
how to set times for tasks!

El 07/12/2014 01:29 p.m., Lillie Pennington via nabs-l escribió:
> I am interested in this, as well. I am particularly interested, if available
> entering appointments on a computer and then getting reminders through my
> phone. Not sure if this is possible.
> Thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:22 PM
> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Organizing your Life: Calendar and Scheduling Apps
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> As my life gets busier and busier, I'm finding that my memory is sometimes
> failing me in the area of my daily schedule and reminders to do certain
> things. I am observing that many of my friends, both sighted and blind, are
> keeping track of their daily appointments on their smartphones. However,
> though I have an iPhone, I guess this is one area in which I have not fully
> progressed into the 21st century.
>
>
>
> I would be interested, then, to get some feedback from those of you on these
> lists who are more organized than I as to what iPhone apps you use for
> organizational purposes. If not an iOS app, what other system(s) do you use
> for this? Outlook Calendar? Google Calendar? The good old-fashioned slate
> and stylus? Also, could you direct me toward any resources which provide
> tutorials on the use of such programs? Thank you in advance for any light
> you can shed on this important topic.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
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-- 
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Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!



From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 19:42:53 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 13:42:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership call reminder
Message-ID: <66A0C628-64D5-47FF-AD83-63387D29016B@gmail.com>

Hello all, 

Just a quick reminder that we will be holding a Membership call this evening. The call will begin at 6 p.m central. You can call in here: 605-475-6700, code: 7869673. 

See you then! 

Candice



Sent from my iPhone

From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 19:43:46 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 14:43:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Organizing your Life: Calendar and Scheduling Apps
In-Reply-To: <005e01d01254$20e425c0$62ac7140$@fuse.net>
References: <00cb01d01253$01c64160$0552c420$@gmail.com>
	<005e01d01254$20e425c0$62ac7140$@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <00e701d01256$1db939b0$592bad10$@gmail.com>

If you are using Outlook, I believe you can sync your iPhone's calendar with
Outlook's. However, I don't know how to do it.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Lillie Pennington [mailto:lilliepennington at fuse.net] 
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 2:30 PM
To: 'Chris Nusbaum'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list';
blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] Organizing your Life: Calendar and Scheduling Apps

I am interested in this, as well. I am particularly interested, if available
entering appointments on a computer and then getting reminders through my
phone. Not sure if this is possible. 
Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:22 PM
To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Organizing your Life: Calendar and Scheduling Apps

Hello All,

 

As my life gets busier and busier, I'm finding that my memory is sometimes
failing me in the area of my daily schedule and reminders to do certain
things. I am observing that many of my friends, both sighted and blind, are
keeping track of their daily appointments on their smartphones. However,
though I have an iPhone, I guess this is one area in which I have not fully
progressed into the 21st century.

 

I would be interested, then, to get some feedback from those of you on these
lists who are more organized than I as to what iPhone apps you use for
organizational purposes. If not an iOS app, what other system(s) do you use
for this? Outlook Calendar? Google Calendar? The good old-fashioned slate
and stylus? Also, could you direct me toward any resources which provide
tutorials on the use of such programs? Thank you in advance for any light
you can shed on this important topic.

 

Chris

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From mausbun at unr.edu  Sun Dec  7 20:32:28 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 20:32:28 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Organizing your Life: Calendar and Scheduling Apps
In-Reply-To: <00e701d01256$1db939b0$592bad10$@gmail.com>
References: <00cb01d01253$01c64160$0552c420$@gmail.com>
	<005e01d01254$20e425c0$62ac7140$@fuse.net>,
	<00e701d01256$1db939b0$592bad10$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ABD096A-4BA4-40A2-AD6D-EC7C00F1230D@unr.edu>

Hello all, I use outlook for all of my calendar related stuff. If you have your email connected on your phone, then it automatically import the calendar from outlook to your phone calendar.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If you are using Outlook, I believe you can sync your iPhone's calendar with
> Outlook's. However, I don't know how to do it.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lillie Pennington [mailto:lilliepennington at fuse.net] 
> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 2:30 PM
> To: 'Chris Nusbaum'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list';
> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: RE: [nabs-l] Organizing your Life: Calendar and Scheduling Apps
> 
> I am interested in this, as well. I am particularly interested, if available
> entering appointments on a computer and then getting reminders through my
> phone. Not sure if this is possible. 
> Thanks
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:22 PM
> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Organizing your Life: Calendar and Scheduling Apps
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> 
> 
> As my life gets busier and busier, I'm finding that my memory is sometimes
> failing me in the area of my daily schedule and reminders to do certain
> things. I am observing that many of my friends, both sighted and blind, are
> keeping track of their daily appointments on their smartphones. However,
> though I have an iPhone, I guess this is one area in which I have not fully
> progressed into the 21st century.
> 
> 
> 
> I would be interested, then, to get some feedback from those of you on these
> lists who are more organized than I as to what iPhone apps you use for
> organizational purposes. If not an iOS app, what other system(s) do you use
> for this? Outlook Calendar? Google Calendar? The good old-fashioned slate
> and stylus? Also, could you direct me toward any resources which provide
> tutorials on the use of such programs? Thank you in advance for any light
> you can shed on this important topic.
> 
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
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> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 20:40:35 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:40:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Organizing your Life: Calendar and Scheduling Apps
Message-ID: <5484bb48.8393e00a.4963.109a@mx.google.com>

I use Siri to set reminders and schedule appointments on my IPad.


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 23:33:23 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 18:33:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership call reminder
In-Reply-To: <66A0C628-64D5-47FF-AD83-63387D29016B@gmail.com>
References: <66A0C628-64D5-47FF-AD83-63387D29016B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3D6B774A-AA74-4C21-B972-09D2A514E9F4@gmail.com>

No one is at the call 
R we still having it 
Only me and another person is on the line 

Shikha. 

> On Dec 7, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Candice Chapman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all, 
> 
> Just a quick reminder that we will be holding a Membership call this evening. The call will begin at 6 p.m central. You can call in here: 605-475-6700, code: 7869673. 
> 
> See you then! 
> 
> Candice
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 23:50:59 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 17:50:59 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership call reminder
In-Reply-To: <3D6B774A-AA74-4C21-B972-09D2A514E9F4@gmail.com>
References: <66A0C628-64D5-47FF-AD83-63387D29016B@gmail.com>
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The call doesn't start until about 10 mins from now. 

Candice

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Shikha <desai1shikha at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> No one is at the call 
> R we still having it 
> Only me and another person is on the line 
> 
> Shikha. 
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Candice Chapman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all, 
>> 
>> Just a quick reminder that we will be holding a Membership call this evening. The call will begin at 6 p.m central. You can call in here: 605-475-6700, code: 7869673. 
>> 
>> See you then! 
>> 
>> Candice
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 01:26:05 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 19:26:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-students-list] Membership call reminder
In-Reply-To: <CAEasU=soLfFJrDqSVJG1xuNSW7+mPxaqs4buie-yzOe=bBLGNg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi, the call is over. It's now 7:22 p.m. It would appear that it's 2 hours difference. 

Sorry you missed it. We'll try and get notes from this call in the December NABS Notes. 

Best, 

Candice

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2014, at 7:16 PM, Carla Lewis-Irizarry <carlalewis34 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> 
> Hello, are we having the conference call.    It is 5:15PM California time, and based on the email message call begins at 6 pm central.   No one is all the call.  Please let me know if a reschedule is taking place.
> 
> Best,
> Carla Lewis-Irizarry, MPA, MA, PhD. Student
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2014 12:25 PM, "Candice Chapman via Nfbnet-students-list" <nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Just a quick reminder that we will be holding a Membership call this evening. The call will begin at 6 p.m central. You can call in here: 605-475-6700, code: 7869673.
>> 
>> See you then!
>> 
>> Candice
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 22:51:33 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:51:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: tactile cases for i devices
In-Reply-To: <1B492370B01140CCACA01FAA5828CAC4@KelseyPC>
References: <1B492370B01140CCACA01FAA5828CAC4@KelseyPC>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FaSMn8NcOQOB+5iAhMBgjRgxv8UPnNMOJYuNkEO+FC8ew@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Could someone else field this question?  I know tactile cases exist,
but have not found an occasion to look into them much as I do not use
them myself.  All I can say that I'm aware of is that AT Guys probably
makes them, possibly Maxi Aids or Indipendent Living Aids, or they
also might possibly be sold through the Independence Market.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:28:00 -0500
Subject: tactile cases for i devices
To: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com

Hi Kaiti,
It's Kelsey Nicolay from the musictalk list. I think you or another
list member mentioned that a company makes cases for I devices which
allow you to feel the buttons. I have an ipod nano sixth generation
(it's the really tiny one) and am considering getting one of these
covers for it. Could you give mme the information for the company? If
you don't have it, can you forward my email to someone who does?
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


-- 
Kaiti


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Dec  8 23:06:07 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:06:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: tactile cases for i devices
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FaSMn8NcOQOB+5iAhMBgjRgxv8UPnNMOJYuNkEO+FC8ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1B492370B01140CCACA01FAA5828CAC4@KelseyPC>
	<CAFja7FaSMn8NcOQOB+5iAhMBgjRgxv8UPnNMOJYuNkEO+FC8ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS40C98D6F30658F5DF59B66CE640@phx.gbl>

Hi Katie, if you would forward my email to the individual it be much appreciated. The ones that I would recommend, would be the tactile spring protectors from speed dots.com

Do you have a problem navigating social media? Do you find that email is the best way to communicate, are you interested in meeting new people and making new friends? Then we have created a group for you.this group, is where blind and deaf individuals can get together and socialize in communicate. If you were interested please subscribe herehttp://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org here.Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 8, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Could someone else field this question?  I know tactile cases exist,
> but have not found an occasion to look into them much as I do not use
> them myself.  All I can say that I'm aware of is that AT Guys probably
> makes them, possibly Maxi Aids or Indipendent Living Aids, or they
> also might possibly be sold through the Independence Market.
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:28:00 -0500
> Subject: tactile cases for i devices
> To: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
> 
> Hi Kaiti,
> It's Kelsey Nicolay from the musictalk list. I think you or another
> list member mentioned that a company makes cases for I devices which
> allow you to feel the buttons. I have an ipod nano sixth generation
> (it's the really tiny one) and am considering getting one of these
> covers for it. Could you give mme the information for the company? If
> you don't have it, can you forward my email to someone who does?
> Thank you,
> Kelsey Nicolay
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
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From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 00:01:24 2014
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:01:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: tactile cases for i devices
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FaSMn8NcOQOB+5iAhMBgjRgxv8UPnNMOJYuNkEO+FC8ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1B492370B01140CCACA01FAA5828CAC4@KelseyPC>
	<CAFja7FaSMn8NcOQOB+5iAhMBgjRgxv8UPnNMOJYuNkEO+FC8ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74C0CEAB-1B2A-4D12-A85B-F168FBAEDD47@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Kaiti, you are correct.  AT guys offers them fairly cheap, I think something like $15.00.  I don’t think Independent Living Aides or Maxiaides has them, but AT guys definitely does.  I think Blind Mice Megga MAll (formerly the Blind Mice Mart) also sells them.


Ryan L. Silveira
חיים ארון בן אברהם

> On Dec 8, 2014, at 5:51 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Could someone else field this question?  I know tactile cases exist,
> but have not found an occasion to look into them much as I do not use
> them myself.  All I can say that I'm aware of is that AT Guys probably
> makes them, possibly Maxi Aids or Indipendent Living Aids, or they
> also might possibly be sold through the Independence Market.
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 12:28:00 -0500
> Subject: tactile cases for i devices
> To: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
> 
> Hi Kaiti,
> It's Kelsey Nicolay from the musictalk list. I think you or another
> list member mentioned that a company makes cases for I devices which
> allow you to feel the buttons. I have an ipod nano sixth generation
> (it's the really tiny one) and am considering getting one of these
> covers for it. Could you give mme the information for the company? If
> you don't have it, can you forward my email to someone who does?
> Thank you,
> Kelsey Nicolay
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 01:28:53 2014
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:28:53 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible books
Message-ID: <CAPvdCTGAOfY=d+6ZGzsJ9ffjMTeoQDvP-A6aGr5yDd8Sjc1E3A@mail.gmail.com>

I am wondering what format my college books need to be in in order for
me to be able to use JAWS to read them and also use my Braille sense
to read them.  I am going to take Spanish and Chemistry and
anthropology in the spring and want to have access in audio and
braille.  But I don't know if there is a specific way the books have
to be scanned or put into a certain format for me to access them on
the comp and the braille sense.
Thanks for your help.

Anna


From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 01:34:44 2014
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 20:34:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible books
In-Reply-To: <CAPvdCTGAOfY=d+6ZGzsJ9ffjMTeoQDvP-A6aGr5yDd8Sjc1E3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPvdCTGAOfY=d+6ZGzsJ9ffjMTeoQDvP-A6aGr5yDd8Sjc1E3A@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Anna,

I would say that the best format to use would be a word document.  You could try PDF, but they’re not always accessible.  The only problem might come with your chemistry book because of the equations and diagrams that will be in there, but you could give it a shot.  As for Spanish, if you can get a word file (.doc or .docx) or a text file (.txt), you should have no problem at all.  Hope this helps.


Ryan L. Silveira
חיים אהרון בן אברהם

> On Dec 8, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am wondering what format my college books need to be in in order for
> me to be able to use JAWS to read them and also use my Braille sense
> to read them.  I am going to take Spanish and Chemistry and
> anthropology in the spring and want to have access in audio and
> braille.  But I don't know if there is a specific way the books have
> to be scanned or put into a certain format for me to access them on
> the comp and the braille sense.
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Anna
> 
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 01:36:47 2014
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:36:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible books
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Hi, I've been having them do Microsoft Word for me. Or PDF usually works.

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Dec 8, 2014, at 18:28, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am wondering what format my college books need to be in in order for
> me to be able to use JAWS to read them and also use my Braille sense
> to read them.  I am going to take Spanish and Chemistry and
> anthropology in the spring and want to have access in audio and
> braille.  But I don't know if there is a specific way the books have
> to be scanned or put into a certain format for me to access them on
> the comp and the braille sense.
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Anna
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Tue Dec  9 01:52:19 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 20:52:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible books
In-Reply-To: <549119CF-837E-4B9A-A9A0-A63A2AEC1502@gmail.com>
References: <CAPvdCTGAOfY=d+6ZGzsJ9ffjMTeoQDvP-A6aGr5yDd8Sjc1E3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<549119CF-837E-4B9A-A9A0-A63A2AEC1502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4846AEEA-551D-45EB-B51A-70091127BA73@me.com>

I would recommend .docx for your Spanish, and Braille for your chemistry book. Since you guys in the States have Learning Ally, could you get any of the textbooks through them?

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

> On Dec 8, 2014, at 20:36, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I've been having them do Microsoft Word for me. Or PDF usually works.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2014, at 18:28, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I am wondering what format my college books need to be in in order for
>> me to be able to use JAWS to read them and also use my Braille sense
>> to read them.  I am going to take Spanish and Chemistry and
>> anthropology in the spring and want to have access in audio and
>> braille.  But I don't know if there is a specific way the books have
>> to be scanned or put into a certain format for me to access them on
>> the comp and the braille sense.
>> Thanks for your help.
>> 
>> Anna
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Tue Dec  9 01:53:35 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 20:53:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Organizing your Life: Calendar and Scheduling Apps
In-Reply-To: <5484bb48.8393e00a.4963.109a@mx.google.com>
References: <5484bb48.8393e00a.4963.109a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <194B8E85-0383-4748-950A-5DAF9F3DC8F0@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

I use a number of things. First, I use my calendar for anything somewhat far into the future and use the 1st and 2nd reminder feature in the apple calendars. 

For stuff that's happening in the next couple of days, I typically get emails about it and thus use my email inbox as a sort of to do list where I can erase it once I've completed the task. 

For time management during the day, I use a good old fashioned list. 

Hope this helps
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:40 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I use Siri to set reminders and schedule appointments on my IPad.
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 02:06:33 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 21:06:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible books
In-Reply-To: <4846AEEA-551D-45EB-B51A-70091127BA73@me.com>
References: <CAPvdCTGAOfY=d+6ZGzsJ9ffjMTeoQDvP-A6aGr5yDd8Sjc1E3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<549119CF-837E-4B9A-A9A0-A63A2AEC1502@gmail.com>
	<4846AEEA-551D-45EB-B51A-70091127BA73@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbZ3unZJ4JSKz46ROZjMpDWBFVOOJVU52RfeF0UtVPcag@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.

I would highly recommend good ol' fashioned braille for the chemistry.
I'd also recommend either doc, docx, rtf, or txt for the format of
your other books.  Text is what I prefer myself, as it tends to open a
little quicker and takes less time for my disability services staff to
edit since formatting isn't a concern, but any of the other file types
will also work fine.

Learning Ally would be great if you have it and want to use it.  I
personally didn't like it, and also am not about paying that money
every year especially when other services like Bookshare and NLS are
free, but you can try it if you've got it.  Speaking of those other
sources, I'd recommend Bookshare and NLS as well.  Bookshare
particularly has grown in textbooks over the past few years, and the
ones I've downloaded from them are quite good.

On 12/8/14, Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I would recommend .docx for your Spanish, and Braille for your chemistry
> book. Since you guys in the States have Learning Ally, could you get any of
> the textbooks through them?
>
> God bless. :)
> Matthew Dierckens
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670, extension 3
> work email:
> matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
> Personal email:
> matt.dierckens at me.com
>
>> On Dec 8, 2014, at 20:36, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I've been having them do Microsoft Word for me. Or PDF usually works.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2014, at 18:28, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am wondering what format my college books need to be in in order for
>>> me to be able to use JAWS to read them and also use my Braille sense
>>> to read them.  I am going to take Spanish and Chemistry and
>>> anthropology in the spring and want to have access in audio and
>>> braille.  But I don't know if there is a specific way the books have
>>> to be scanned or put into a certain format for me to access them on
>>> the comp and the braille sense.
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Anna
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com
>>
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-- 
Kaiti


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 02:08:10 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:08:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible books
Message-ID: <5486599a.1121320a.1e45.ffffcf09@mx.google.com>

The problem with word documents is they often don't keep the 
original page numbers from the book, so if you have to cite it, 
you can't.  PDF is better, but OCR software often messes up with 
those.  I think chemistry will be particularly problematic 
because of the subscripts and superscripts, so it might be worth 
your while getting that book professionally transcribed or at 
least making sure your DSS office has someone go through the book 
and proof read it.  You'll also need to get someone to write out 
descriptions of the diagrams and maybe the pictures in your 
anthro book especially if you're talking about physical 
anthropology where you have to know about things like skeletal 
structure in different homonins.

Hope this helps,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com>,National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:36:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible books

Hi, I've been having them do Microsoft Word for me. Or PDF 
usually works.

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

 On Dec 8, 2014, at 18:28, Anna Givens via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I am wondering what format my college books need to be in in 
order for
 me to be able to use JAWS to read them and also use my Braille 
sense
 to read them.  I am going to take Spanish and Chemistry and
 anthropology in the spring and want to have access in audio and
 braille.  But I don't know if there is a specific way the books 
have
 to be scanned or put into a certain format for me to access them 
on
 the comp and the braille sense.
 Thanks for your help.

 Anna

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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 02:30:39 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 21:30:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible books
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Anna,

I agree with Karl.  As someone who is taking chemistry at present, I can
tell you that many of the symbols do not read correctly with a Braille
display or notetaker. Though I'm very good at using the display and use it
for all other classes, I'm still often required to have my chemistry work
transcribed in hardcopy. I would definitely explore getting your textbook
transcribed. It will likely be huge (my high school Chem 1 textbook is over
30 volumes,) but it is worth the space required for it.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 9:08 PM
To: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer; National Association of Blind Students
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible books

The problem with word documents is they often don't keep the original page
numbers from the book, so if you have to cite it, you can't.  PDF is better,
but OCR software often messes up with those.  I think chemistry will be
particularly problematic because of the subscripts and superscripts, so it
might be worth your while getting that book professionally transcribed or at
least making sure your DSS office has someone go through the book and proof
read it.  You'll also need to get someone to write out descriptions of the
diagrams and maybe the pictures in your anthro book especially if you're
talking about physical anthropology where you have to know about things like
skeletal structure in different homonins.

Hope this helps,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:36:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible books

Hi, I've been having them do Microsoft Word for me. Or PDF usually works.

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

 On Dec 8, 2014, at 18:28, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I am wondering what format my college books need to be in in order for  me
to be able to use JAWS to read them and also use my Braille sense  to read
them.  I am going to take Spanish and Chemistry and  anthropology in the
spring and want to have access in audio and  braille.  But I don't know if
there is a specific way the books have  to be scanned or put into a certain
format for me to access them on  the comp and the braille sense.
 Thanks for your help.

 Anna

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 10:48:19 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 05:48:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Thoughts on an interest group for Health Care Professionals
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYOaJRUrOJcW0D1RH8=8n_KpFd8t2c=4d=CLE3_ckK56Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Recently there has been discussion over on the Human Services List
about whether or not to change the division's name to allow for
inclusion of those in the health care fields.  If this passes, the
division would become something like the "Health and Human Services
Division."  Right now, views seem to be split almost down the middle
at least by those who have responded to the thread.  Some believe that
the mind-body connection warrants the inclusion of health care
professionals in the division, and think that there aren't enough
people in the health care fields within the NFB to form a separate
group or division.  Others point out that the problems encountered by
blind health care professionals are different from those in the human
services fields, and that although there is a connection between mind
and body and those individuals could be included in the human services
division we don't really know whether or not there is enough interest
or a population of people worth starting a separate group for because
no one has made one yet.

As someone in an allied health profession, which follows a very
wholistic approach not just addressing the mind and body, but also
emotional wellness and spiritual health for those who choose to be
spiritual, I have my own opinions about this.  I have found the human
services to be a great group of people who have been a great resource
to me, but there are some things I've experienced as a student in my
field which they have no idea how to comment on.  Though my field uses
a lot of the same principles found in sociology and psychology, as
well as counseling, the people there truly don't understand the full
scope of what people in professions similar to mine do.  However, if I
had a group where people understood the physical workings of the human
body, I could ask the questions I can't ask on the human services
group like, "How to do X with a client with Y physical limitation."  I
could also ask questions specific to hospital problems, ways to get
around accessing visual information on patients, etc.  So far the
adaptations for things like getting the information that is found on
monitors have been just things I've thought up myself, but it would be
great, I think, to have a think tank of people who have tried
different approaches, have different ideas, etc.  I would stay in the
human services division no matter what because that is a huge aspect
of my future career, but I do think this topic warrants at least a
separate mailing list or group if there are enough people to make it
worthwhile.

Thoughts?

-- 
Kaiti


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 17:01:56 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 09:01:56 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Thoughts on an interest group for Health Care
	Professionals
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYOaJRUrOJcW0D1RH8=8n_KpFd8t2c=4d=CLE3_ckK56Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Kaiti and all,
  This is a great question and one that in my opinion (for whatever it’s worth) is difficult to find a clear answer to without a  good bit of looking around for  likeminded folks.
 I can’t claim to be an expert on how divisions might go about their business, but I imagine Human Services might go about establishing a committee for  healthcare professionals. This might make  for a gathering place within the division and could give all the opportunity to explore common concerns and share tips tricks and  techniques. 
   this could make for a great opportunity to expand the  activities, programs and reach of the division   without making any real changes to the  structure of the division.  a part of the  agenda of meetings could easily be carved out to explore the types of things   the committee wants to talk about. 
 I think it could be very similar to a committee for international students within NABS. The  positives for such an organized subgroup are present  in that there are certain similarities connecting  these  interests to the larger division, but  differences that  bring important value to having    an established   committee.
 I hope that makes sense.
  Regards,
   Darian.
                                     
> On Dec 9, 2014, at 2:48 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Recently there has been discussion over on the Human Services List
> about whether or not to change the division's name to allow for
> inclusion of those in the health care fields.  If this passes, the
> division would become something like the "Health and Human Services
> Division."  Right now, views seem to be split almost down the middle
> at least by those who have responded to the thread.  Some believe that
> the mind-body connection warrants the inclusion of health care
> professionals in the division, and think that there aren't enough
> people in the health care fields within the NFB to form a separate
> group or division.  Others point out that the problems encountered by
> blind health care professionals are different from those in the human
> services fields, and that although there is a connection between mind
> and body and those individuals could be included in the human services
> division we don't really know whether or not there is enough interest
> or a population of people worth starting a separate group for because
> no one has made one yet.
> 
> As someone in an allied health profession, which follows a very
> wholistic approach not just addressing the mind and body, but also
> emotional wellness and spiritual health for those who choose to be
> spiritual, I have my own opinions about this.  I have found the human
> services to be a great group of people who have been a great resource
> to me, but there are some things I've experienced as a student in my
> field which they have no idea how to comment on.  Though my field uses
> a lot of the same principles found in sociology and psychology, as
> well as counseling, the people there truly don't understand the full
> scope of what people in professions similar to mine do.  However, if I
> had a group where people understood the physical workings of the human
> body, I could ask the questions I can't ask on the human services
> group like, "How to do X with a client with Y physical limitation."  I
> could also ask questions specific to hospital problems, ways to get
> around accessing visual information on patients, etc.  So far the
> adaptations for things like getting the information that is found on
> monitors have been just things I've thought up myself, but it would be
> great, I think, to have a think tank of people who have tried
> different approaches, have different ideas, etc.  I would stay in the
> human services division no matter what because that is a huge aspect
> of my future career, but I do think this topic warrants at least a
> separate mailing list or group if there are enough people to make it
> worthwhile.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  9 17:07:41 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 12:07:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Thoughts on an interest group for Health Care
	Professionals
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYOaJRUrOJcW0D1RH8=8n_KpFd8t2c=4d=CLE3_ckK56Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <COL401-EAS35399F4D3F60F9AC3802FD8BA650@phx.gbl>

Hello Kaiti,

It sounds to me like this is an issue for the human resources division and
not the student division. I am not quite sure how many people you need to
create a formal division within the NFB, but it appears to me that anyone
can easily form an interest group. 

I know the journalism group is not a formal division within the NFB, but
sometimes a handful of people interested in the field of journalism will
meet up at national convention. Likewise, the young professionals group is
not a formal division within the NFB, but it seemed as though there was no
trouble forming a new interest group geared towards young professionals. I
believe both of these interest groups have a dedicated email list on NFBNet.

I cannot say for sure, but I would imagine gaining access to a client's
personal record would be rather similar regardless if the client was
obtaining mental health services or physical health services. However, I do
know there are definitely a lot of visual displays and monitors used in a
hospital setting. I am honestly not quite sure how a blind person would be
able to gain independent access to some of these visual displays as some of
them are constantly changing all the time. In some cases you cannot transfer
devices from room to room, so having one set of accessible devices may not
necessarily work for this kind of situation. I have spent quite a bit of
time visiting someone in the hospital, and I would often wonder how a blind
person could obtain a job in the hospital given all the visual aspects of
the job.

I hope this message helps answer some of your questions.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

 
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:48 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Thoughts on an interest group for Health Care
Professionals

Hi all,

Recently there has been discussion over on the Human Services List about
whether or not to change the division's name to allow for inclusion of those
in the health care fields.  If this passes, the division would become
something like the "Health and Human Services Division."  Right now, views
seem to be split almost down the middle at least by those who have responded
to the thread.  Some believe that the mind-body connection warrants the
inclusion of health care professionals in the division, and think that there
aren't enough people in the health care fields within the NFB to form a
separate group or division.  Others point out that the problems encountered
by blind health care professionals are different from those in the human
services fields, and that although there is a connection between mind and
body and those individuals could be included in the human services division
we don't really know whether or not there is enough interest or a population
of people worth starting a separate group for because no one has made one
yet.

As someone in an allied health profession, which follows a very wholistic
approach not just addressing the mind and body, but also emotional wellness
and spiritual health for those who choose to be spiritual, I have my own
opinions about this.  I have found the human services to be a great group of
people who have been a great resource to me, but there are some things I've
experienced as a student in my field which they have no idea how to comment
on.  Though my field uses a lot of the same principles found in sociology
and psychology, as well as counseling, the people there truly don't
understand the full scope of what people in professions similar to mine do.
However, if I had a group where people understood the physical workings of
the human body, I could ask the questions I can't ask on the human services
group like, "How to do X with a client with Y physical limitation."  I could
also ask questions specific to hospital problems, ways to get around
accessing visual information on patients, etc.  So far the adaptations for
things like getting the information that is found on monitors have been just
things I've thought up myself, but it would be great, I think, to have a
think tank of people who have tried different approaches, have different
ideas, etc.  I would stay in the human services division no matter what
because that is a huge aspect of my future career, but I do think this topic
warrants at least a separate mailing list or group if there are enough
people to make it worthwhile.

Thoughts?

--
Kaiti

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 18:46:18 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 13:46:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] screenshot
Message-ID: <007601d013e0$6ba8efe0$42facfa0$@gmail.com>

Is there a way to take a screen shot using jaws? If so, how is it done?


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 19:46:34 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 14:46:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [napub] Free UEB Transition Course
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Message-ID: <DA8EAE87-F7A9-497A-B076-828109F8F24B@gmail.com>

Hello Mr. Carlton, how are you? I'm interested in taking the Free Hadley course next year. I'm actually a 22 years old blind  college student who knows braille very well. I only know how to read grade two Braille, and a little bit of grade one Braille. However, I just wanted to tell you that next year in January, I'm going to be busy with college classes, so I'm not going to be able to register to the Hadley UEB class that semester. In fact,  would it be possible for me to take the Hadley UEB class on May of 2015, and finish it on Beginning of August since I'm going to be starting school agin? I'm just wondering. If you would like to reach me , feel free to do so. My contact information is located below in my email signature. Thank you  so much for all your time and have a nice day. God bless! 



P.S. I forgot to mention to you that I'm already an student at Hadley since I took one of Hadley's class before. Thanks again. 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
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INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Dec 8, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Carlton Anne Cook Walker via napub <napub at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hadley to Offer Free UEB Transition Course for Professionals
> with support from APH
> 
> The Hadley School for the Blind is pleased to offer a new “Transitioning to
> Unified English Braille” course for professionals beginning in January
> 2015. The course will be available in print and braille (online version is
> in development). Thanks to the American Printing House for the Blind (APH),
> this professional course will be tuition-free through the end of calendar
> year 2015.
> 
> “As the use of technology in education increases, braille becomes more and
> more important for students who are blind,” says APH President Tuck
> Tinsley.  This course, ‘Transitioning to Unified English Braille,’ the
> first of two courses to be developed by Hadley focusing on the new braille
> code, will meet a critical need in our field’s transition to UEB.
> Students, teachers, parents, administrators, university professors,
> pre-service teachers, transcribers, and others can be well prepared for the
> January 2016 UEB implementation date.”
> 
> The six-lesson course provides a structured approach to learning the
> difference between EBAE (English Braille American Edition) and Unified
> English Braille (UEB). Abundant examples and exercises will help students
> progress easily and transition to the new code. Prerequisites include
> strong contracted reading and writing skills in EBAE or SEB (Standard
> English Braille).
> 
> “Hadley is proud to be at the forefront of providing training on UEB,” says
> Hadley President Chuck Young. “Teaching the teachers braille – to support
> their visually impaired clients and students -- is central to our mission
> of promoting independent living through lifelong learning for people who
> are blind or visually impaired.”
> 
> “Transitioning to Unified English Braille” also will be offered to students
> in Hadley’s Adult Continuing Education/High School Program and Family
> Education Program, free of charge on an ongoing basis.
> 
> To pre-enroll in this “Transitioning to Unified English Braille” course due
> out in January, please contact Student Services at 800-526-9909 or via
> email at student_services at hadley.edu<mailto:student_services at hadley.edu>.
> You may also visit www.hadley.edu/UEB<http://www.hadley.edu/UEB>.
> 
> For more information about the American Printing House for the Blind, visit
> www.aph.org<http://www.aph.org>.
> 
> -- 
> Carlton Anne Cook Walker
> Attorney at Law
> President, National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> Teacher of Students with Blindness/Visual Impairment
> 105 Creamery Road
> Boiling Springs, PA   17007
> Voice: 717-658-9894
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> 
> 
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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 20:54:47 2014
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 15:54:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google sheets: is it possible to use?
Message-ID: <54208D91-4D23-4DBD-A8A9-8F20322FCEC7@gmail.com>

I have just downloaded the Google sheets app on my iPhone. I have tried to look at a spreadsheet on there, and found no way to get to Colin be. Is there a trick to it, or is this app totally useless. Thanks!
Jewel

Sent from my iPhone

From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 23:06:54 2014
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 04:36:54 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] Google sheets: is it possible to use?
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Coincidentally, I just learned today how Google Sheets can effectively
be used with screen readers. You have to simply press control+alt+z on
a Windows machine to get it to work with screen readers, and it works
as efficaciously as Excel thereafter.

On 10/12/2014, Jewel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have just downloaded the Google sheets app on my iPhone. I have tried to
> look at a spreadsheet on there, and found no way to get to Colin be. Is
> there a trick to it, or is this app totally useless. Thanks!
> Jewel
>
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 23:43:49 2014
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 18:43:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind braille transcriptionists
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9hcQLMKzTjAH3=+DEdY=iEKpSTXC-7Ga2pmAm57ODb-Rg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I hope all of you that are in the midst of finals are not stressing
out too much and taking good care of yourselves. I remember there was
a thread a while back regarding the braille transcribers course
offered by NLS. I'm really interested in taking the course just to
have the extra skills and certification, but I'm just curious if there
are blind transcriptionists out there that are actually employed.
College students always need more money and I'm thinking of getting
transcription work on the side while I am in school. Any input on this
would be appreciated. :)

Cheers,
Minh

-- 
"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 00:28:22 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 19:28:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind braille transcriptionists
In-Reply-To: <CAAJqG9hcQLMKzTjAH3=+DEdY=iEKpSTXC-7Ga2pmAm57ODb-Rg@mail.gmail.com>
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There are, and they form at least part of an NFB division called the national Association of blind office professionals. According to the information I have seen from them, they are made up largely of secretaries and braille transcriber's. Perhaps you could join their list or contact one of their leaders.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Dec 9, 2014, at 6:43 PM, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I hope all of you that are in the midst of finals are not stressing
> out too much and taking good care of yourselves. I remember there was
> a thread a while back regarding the braille transcribers course
> offered by NLS. I'm really interested in taking the course just to
> have the extra skills and certification, but I'm just curious if there
> are blind transcriptionists out there that are actually employed.
> College students always need more money and I'm thinking of getting
> transcription work on the side while I am in school. Any input on this
> would be appreciated. :)
> 
> Cheers,
> Minh
> 
> -- 
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
> 
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Wed Dec 10 01:32:28 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 20:32:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ACT stuff
Message-ID: <004101d01419$28da2fb0$7a8e8f10$@fuse.net>

Hi guys, 

 

I'll be taking the ACT in Febuary. I met with my guidance counselor in
December and she told me to have my registration to her before Christmas
break. 

 

When I was talking about taking the SAT in June and my aid was concerned
about proctoring the test (because it was in the Summer), and I guess talked
to my counselor who said that my school was not a test site. 

 

I am concerned because when my sister took the test, she was able to take it
at my high school and have a proctor who was familiar with us and how to
fill out the test, as well. 

 

There are a whole new set of guidance counselors at my school, so I am
curious as to how to bring this up. Do I just send my counselor an email
(because I have a question about registration) and ask how my accomidations
arrangements will be made? Or should I do something different? 

 

Also, if I have college board approved accomidations, does that
automatically grant me the ACT, as well? I know the ACT and SAT are managed
by two different companies, and I just thought of this today. 

 

Thanks


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 01:43:17 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 20:43:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ACT stuff
In-Reply-To: <004101d01419$28da2fb0$7a8e8f10$@fuse.net>
References: <004101d01419$28da2fb0$7a8e8f10$@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FY-J21Oja555QQ_nHKUbVHhYQu_PU6=3QP9JWSwV4SYYw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Lillie,

You'll need to get accommodations for the ACT from the ACT's own
board.  Unfortunately, the process isn't as straightforward as we
would all like it to be, but I remember being more satisfied with my
ACT accommodations than I was with the ones I received from College
Board.  I'd recommend calling the ACT people to get further
clarification on how the test should be proctored; I remember their
customer service people being really helpful as well.

I also took my tests at my own high school, and my braillist proctored
all of them.  I believe the SAT was taken on Saturdays in a room we
just used ourselves, and we cut the test in half so it spanned 2
weekends.  When I took the ACT I stayed for two hours or so after
school, and I believe I did this 5 times for each section of the test
over the course of 2 weeks.  In both cases, my braillist bubbled in my
answers at the end and was in charge of mailing off the test at the
end of the testing period.   I avoided taking my tests in the summer,
but it's only for a few hours at a time and the school would have to
pay whoever proctors the test overtime anyway.  I remember my aid came
in with a book (or in some cases, files that she could transcribe on
the computer while I was working), and was still productive reading a
novel or working while I did my test.  It sounds like they're making a
big deal out of it.

I'd definitely suggest getting some sort of opinion on the subject
from the ACT people directly.

On 12/9/14, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> I'll be taking the ACT in Febuary. I met with my guidance counselor in
> December and she told me to have my registration to her before Christmas
> break.
>
>
>
> When I was talking about taking the SAT in June and my aid was concerned
> about proctoring the test (because it was in the Summer), and I guess
> talked
> to my counselor who said that my school was not a test site.
>
>
>
> I am concerned because when my sister took the test, she was able to take
> it
> at my high school and have a proctor who was familiar with us and how to
> fill out the test, as well.
>
>
>
> There are a whole new set of guidance counselors at my school, so I am
> curious as to how to bring this up. Do I just send my counselor an email
> (because I have a question about registration) and ask how my accomidations
> arrangements will be made? Or should I do something different?
>
>
>
> Also, if I have college board approved accomidations, does that
> automatically grant me the ACT, as well? I know the ACT and SAT are managed
> by two different companies, and I just thought of this today.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 01:45:18 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 20:45:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] screenshot
In-Reply-To: <007601d013e0$6ba8efe0$42facfa0$@gmail.com>
References: <007601d013e0$6ba8efe0$42facfa0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FaEJtZH-SnMB9VB4EB2BL_W46yfS4fg+6v13QSmFqt_1w@mail.gmail.com>

Just hit the button that says "print screen."  It may be in a
different place on your keyboard, but for me it's to the left of my
delete key.  Once you do this, you just hit control V to paste like
you would with anything else on the clipboard.

On 12/9/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Is there a way to take a screen shot using jaws? If so, how is it done?
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 01:46:28 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 20:46:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] screenshot
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FaEJtZH-SnMB9VB4EB2BL_W46yfS4fg+6v13QSmFqt_1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <007601d013e0$6ba8efe0$42facfa0$@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FaEJtZH-SnMB9VB4EB2BL_W46yfS4fg+6v13QSmFqt_1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbgCBaa7BXTB5A3UkFc5uOpE5d7r8TTVneUbV-MOvf+mA@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, actually it's control and print screen.  I was thinking faster
than I could type.

On 12/9/14, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just hit the button that says "print screen."  It may be in a
> different place on your keyboard, but for me it's to the left of my
> delete key.  Once you do this, you just hit control V to paste like
> you would with anything else on the clipboard.
>
> On 12/9/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Is there a way to take a screen shot using jaws? If so, how is it done?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Kaiti
>


-- 
Kaiti


From joy.misto at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 02:40:42 2014
From: joy.misto at gmail.com (Joy Mistovich)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 21:40:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Display Question
Message-ID: <CAMRTQM4dqR+2K1cA+X3aSXe5bbhh5PUT+UNEAy1ahd_WTLPEOg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,
I have a question in regard to the Braille Edge 40. I have only had the
Humanware Brailleant 40 braille display since September, and I am extremely
dissatisfied with the product. The biggest problem is a few days after the
display was delivered, there was a problem with one of the keyboard keys
sticking. I called the company and told them about this problem, but they
said they didn't see anything wrong with it once I shipped it to Humanware.
Therefore, once my braille display is shipped back, I might consider
selling it and am thinking of using the Braille Edge. What has been your
experience with this product? I have read many positive reviews from the
NFB about it; most significantly, I have also read that HIMS customer
service is much more efficient and helpful than Humanware.
Thank you for your help,
Joy

From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Wed Dec 10 04:02:25 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 22:02:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Display Question
In-Reply-To: <CAMRTQM4dqR+2K1cA+X3aSXe5bbhh5PUT+UNEAy1ahd_WTLPEOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMRTQM4dqR+2K1cA+X3aSXe5bbhh5PUT+UNEAy1ahd_WTLPEOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d0142e$276a3f70$763ebe50$@mediacombb.net>

I am becoming familiar with the edge.  So far, I like what I have
experienced.  I also have a friend that swears by it.  It has a simple
notetaker built-in.  It will work with things like the I-Phone I-Pad, etc
for braille input and reading in braille what is on the screen.  As a person
with a major hearing loss, things like that are very helpful.  

I have also heard that the himms tech support is quite good.  However, as of
now, I have no personal experience with that part of it.  

As to your problem with humanware, keep after them.  They tried to tell me
one of the thumbkeys was working after I paid over $260 to have it fixed and
it did not work.  To be fair, they did pay to have it sent back to them,
retested and corrected, and then shipped back to me.  

Anyway, for what it is worth, that's been my experience with the edge.  I'd
be interested in which way you decide to go.  

Loren Wakefield



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joy Mistovich
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:41 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Display Question

Hi Everyone,
I have a question in regard to the Braille Edge 40. I have only had the
Humanware Brailleant 40 braille display since September, and I am extremely
dissatisfied with the product. The biggest problem is a few days after the
display was delivered, there was a problem with one of the keyboard keys
sticking. I called the company and told them about this problem, but they
said they didn't see anything wrong with it once I shipped it to Humanware.
Therefore, once my braille display is shipped back, I might consider selling
it and am thinking of using the Braille Edge. What has been your experience
with this product? I have read many positive reviews from the NFB about it;
most significantly, I have also read that HIMS customer service is much more
efficient and helpful than Humanware.
Thank you for your help,
Joy
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 14:50:53 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:50:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hour of Code
Message-ID: <F2A86B88-98D4-4465-BF25-9E7B1288EC92@gmail.com>

Hi All,

Has anyone participated in the Hour of Code Web site/program? My Foundation of Tech teacher has assigned it as extra credit and I am interested in participating, but I'm not sure about its accessibility. Does anyone have experience with this?

Thanks,

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 15:29:26 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 07:29:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Hour of Code
In-Reply-To: <F2A86B88-98D4-4465-BF25-9E7B1288EC92@gmail.com>
References: <F2A86B88-98D4-4465-BF25-9E7B1288EC92@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdw7n1e8=p7w_Rv=XiEYujpg19dqdNbyeuzw0KNXaBQieQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris, thanks for posting as it reminded me to post this on social
media! It is actually Computer Science Education Week which is
probably why you got this opportunity. There is an accessible Hour of
Code, newly introduced. The programming language is called Quorum.
This Hour of Code has 7 parts complete with video tutorials. It took
me a little over an hour.

This project is really exciting as it is mainstream accessible and a
lot of Hours of Code and other introductions to computer science often
use a drag and drop interface that is not accessible.

Part one of this Hour of Code can be found here. I encourage everyone
to try it out!


http://quorumlanguage.com/documents/hourofcode/part1.php

Cindy

On 12/10/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Has anyone participated in the Hour of Code Web site/program? My Foundation
> of Tech teacher has assigned it as extra credit and I am interested in
> participating, but I'm not sure about its accessibility. Does anyone have
> experience with this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD
>
> "Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into
> reality."
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-- 
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1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From gpaikens at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 15:54:58 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:54:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hour of Code
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdw7n1e8=p7w_Rv=XiEYujpg19dqdNbyeuzw0KNXaBQieQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F2A86B88-98D4-4465-BF25-9E7B1288EC92@gmail.com>
	<CACUFQdw7n1e8=p7w_Rv=XiEYujpg19dqdNbyeuzw0KNXaBQieQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK0ZVw2ksXUqQrQGcx4JmOKzu-CuLHxJAaO5rkkRaQUXpvvGGg@mail.gmail.com>

Cindy,
This is great. Thanks for sharing.

On 12/10/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Chris, thanks for posting as it reminded me to post this on social
> media! It is actually Computer Science Education Week which is
> probably why you got this opportunity. There is an accessible Hour of
> Code, newly introduced. The programming language is called Quorum.
> This Hour of Code has 7 parts complete with video tutorials. It took
> me a little over an hour.
>
> This project is really exciting as it is mainstream accessible and a
> lot of Hours of Code and other introductions to computer science often
> use a drag and drop interface that is not accessible.
>
> Part one of this Hour of Code can be found here. I encourage everyone
> to try it out!
>
>
> http://quorumlanguage.com/documents/hourofcode/part1.php
>
> Cindy
>
> On 12/10/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Has anyone participated in the Hour of Code Web site/program? My
>> Foundation
>> of Tech teacher has assigned it as extra credit and I am interested in
>> participating, but I'm not sure about its accessibility. Does anyone have
>> experience with this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD
>>
>> "Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into
>> reality."
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Washington
> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>
> clb5590 at gmail.com
>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 16:32:05 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:32:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] youtube
Message-ID: <002201d01496$d6069570$8213c050$@gmail.com>

It seems as you tube has changed; it is hard to get songs to play.  I've
restored my pc, a couple of times.  I've erased m cashe and cookies.  I'm
using Mozilla.  I get a lot of watch later links, or strange stuff; the song
does not come up when I hit enter on the link.  Do I have to sign up or
something?  IE is not much better, but I can somewhat get songs to play.
Can anyone give me suggestions?

Thanks,

Justin.


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 16:32:55 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:32:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] research
Message-ID: <002701d01496$f401c130$dc054390$@gmail.com>

Thanks for your responses to my research for class; you folks were a big
help.

 


From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 22:32:09 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:32:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Holidays to all
Message-ID: <88FF4034-06AF-4F27-A9F8-EC2EA29BD3A3@gmail.com>

hello all. I just want to wish everyone a happy Holidays. I hope everyone has fun. Anyone can email me. I’m open for anyone’s emails. For those whom celebrate Xmas Merry Xmas.

Take care everyone.



From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 23:44:40 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:44:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] experiencing an email problem with braillenote apex
Message-ID: <5488db20.4fe5ca0a.2d19.ffffd2d1@mx.google.com>

Dear NABS,

In the past few days, I've begun to experience a problem with 
email onmy braillenote apex. I'm trying to send a very long email 
to someone, and every time I try to send it, my braillenote 
displays an error message. When the intended recippient of the 
email checks their inbox, they find the message there, but it has 
been cut off at a certain point. I tried all the resets and 
nothiing changed. Yesterday, I called Humanware, and they told me 
that it was a problem with my email provider, not the 
braillenote. Should I contact them, or do you have any other 
suggestions? All help is appreciated.

Yours,
Sophie


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 13:31:27 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 08:31:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] experiencing an email problem with braillenote apex
Message-ID: <54899cc5.e3ab320a.2163.1f8e@mx.google.com>

Hi Sophie,

I used to have problems like that when I had dial-up internet.  
e-mails longer than a couple pages just wouldn't send, but since 
I switched to WIFI I haven't had any problems anymore.  I would 
suggest going to a coffy shop or something and trying to send it 
from there in case your problem has something to do with your 
internet access point.  Other than that, you could try switching 
to a different e-mail provider, I use Gmail, which is free and 
has never given me any problems.  Or if all else fails, you could 
send your e-mail by going online to your providers website and 
writing the e-mail in the web browser instead of using keymail.

Hope this helps,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:44:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] experiencing an email problem with braillenote 
apex

Dear NABS,

In the past few days, I've begun to experience a problem with
email onmy braillenote apex. I'm trying to send a very long email
to someone, and every time I try to send it, my braillenote
displays an error message. When the intended recippient of the
email checks their inbox, they find the message there, but it has
been cut off at a certain point. I tried all the resets and
nothiing changed. Yesterday, I called Humanware, and they told me
that it was a problem with my email provider, not the
braillenote. Should I contact them, or do you have any other
suggestions? All help is appreciated.

Yours,
Sophie

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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 15:09:53 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 10:09:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] experiencing an email problem with braillenote apex
In-Reply-To: <5488db20.4fe5ca0a.2d19.ffffd2d1@mx.google.com>
References: <5488db20.4fe5ca0a.2d19.ffffd2d1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0F637B73-2F43-4A45-85E5-4CE601B11497@gmail.com>

No, it's probably a problem with your BrailleNote. This is why I don't use KeyMail anymore. If the email is in your Outbox, try copying the text to the clipboard, then starting a new email and pasting the text into the new, blank email. Hope this helps.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Dec 10, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear NABS,
> 
> In the past few days, I've begun to experience a problem with email onmy braillenote apex. I'm trying to send a very long email to someone, and every time I try to send it, my braillenote displays an error message. When the intended recippient of the email checks their inbox, they find the message there, but it has been cut off at a certain point. I tried all the resets and nothiing changed. Yesterday, I called Humanware, and they told me that it was a problem with my email provider, not the braillenote. Should I contact them, or do you have any other suggestions? All help is appreciated.
> 
> Yours,
> Sophie
> 
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Thu Dec 11 18:44:13 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:44:13 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] question about college Labs (Anthro, biology, Physics,
 chemistry, etc.)
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8416C9@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Hello Nabs:
	In the spring semester, I will be taking my first required “lab” course. The specific course is Physical Anthropology, which I have been told is geared toward the examination of bone structures and teeth of primates and humans (it may be different at other universities, it is just this way due to the focus of the professor who is teaching it). My question is about Labs in general—biology, chemistry, physics, anthropology etc.—because I will be taking a natural science course next fall, but if anyone has specifics about Anthropology labs as well, that would be cool too.

So, what have been your guy’s experiences in lab environments? Were there extra accommodations which had to be made to help you succeed? What were some of the challenges or things which were surprisingly easy for you?
Thanks for all the advice!
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun



From somojan94 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 19:18:23 2014
From: somojan94 at gmail.com (Somaya Tarin)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:18:23 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] question about college Labs (Anthro, biology, Physics,
	chemistry, etc.)
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8416C9@UBOX2.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8416C9@UBOX2.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <021684CA-938D-4B94-905B-AA3A249380B0@gmail.com>

Hello, I am a biochemistry major and most my classes require labs. The disability resource center at my college assigns a lab aid to assist me in the lab invironment. The aid is there to describe for example any changes that take place in the lab like color, help with dissections, measuring chemicals, and other analysis. I would describe to her what to do and she would help me do it. 
Somaya Tarin



Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Nabs:
>    In the spring semester, I will be taking my first required “lab” course. The specific course is Physical Anthropology, which I have been told is geared toward the examination of bone structures and teeth of primates and humans (it may be different at other universities, it is just this way due to the focus of the professor who is teaching it). My question is about Labs in general—biology, chemistry, physics, anthropology etc.—because I will be taking a natural science course next fall, but if anyone has specifics about Anthropology labs as well, that would be cool too.
> 
> So, what have been your guy’s experiences in lab environments? Were there extra accommodations which had to be made to help you succeed? What were some of the challenges or things which were surprisingly easy for you?
> Thanks for all the advice!
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> 
> 
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Thu Dec 11 20:52:40 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:52:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] question about college Labs (Anthro, biology, Physics,
 chemistry, etc.)
In-Reply-To: <021684CA-938D-4B94-905B-AA3A249380B0@gmail.com>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8416C9@UBOX2.unr.edu>
	<021684CA-938D-4B94-905B-AA3A249380B0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB294BA4-EF55-411C-ACF2-D7416DFA11AF@icloud.com>

I am only in high school, but I have my aide help me and describe observations to me. However, I try to get my partners to assist in descriptions, but they are not always the best.

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 11, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Somaya Tarin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello, I am a biochemistry major and most my classes require labs. The disability resource center at my college assigns a lab aid to assist me in the lab invironment. The aid is there to describe for example any changes that take place in the lab like color, help with dissections, measuring chemicals, and other analysis. I would describe to her what to do and she would help me do it. 
> Somaya Tarin
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Nabs:
>>   In the spring semester, I will be taking my first required “lab” course. The specific course is Physical Anthropology, which I have been told is geared toward the examination of bone structures and teeth of primates and humans (it may be different at other universities, it is just this way due to the focus of the professor who is teaching it). My question is about Labs in general—biology, chemistry, physics, anthropology etc.—because I will be taking a natural science course next fall, but if anyone has specifics about Anthropology labs as well, that would be cool too.
>> 
>> So, what have been your guy’s experiences in lab environments? Were there extra accommodations which had to be made to help you succeed? What were some of the challenges or things which were surprisingly easy for you?
>> Thanks for all the advice!
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael Ausbun
>> 
>> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 22:33:26 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:33:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] question about college Labs (Anthro, biology, Physics,
 chemistry, etc.)
In-Reply-To: <BB294BA4-EF55-411C-ACF2-D7416DFA11AF@icloud.com>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8416C9@UBOX2.unr.edu>
	<021684CA-938D-4B94-905B-AA3A249380B0@gmail.com>
	<BB294BA4-EF55-411C-ACF2-D7416DFA11AF@icloud.com>
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Hi all,
Since I majored in biology, I took two bio labs for majors and two
chem labs. You can see if you are able to get a lab assistant.
However, I was pleasantly surprised to find that most labs are done in
pairs or groups. Also, at least in my classes, visual observation was
really a pretty minor part of the lab. Most of the work was developing
and testing specific hypotheses, which is something you can totally do
as a blind person simply by applying your book knowledge. You can
engage your partner or group in a discussion about what you are seeing
in order to develop your hypothesis, which helps the whole group. For
example, in one bio lab we were asked to observe a bunch of crickets
in a terrarium for a while and then come up with a testable hypothesis
about their behavior. I asked my partners to describe verbally what
the crickets were doing. Through this discussion, we noticed that the
female crickets would make physical contact with other crickets more
than the males did. We eventually designed an experiment to see if
altering the gender composition of the terrarium would influence the
number of times one cricket jumped on another, and I think we found
that indeed, such events were more common when there was a higher
percentage of females. While I relied on my partners to tell me what
was happening with the crickets, I was still an active participant in
the hypothesis generating, designing the experiment, recording the
data and writing the lab report. While I don't know details about
anthropology, I think most lab activities can be handled in
collaboration with your lab partners. You can offer to pick up more of
the recording, calculating or writing duties if you are in fact
relying on your partners a lot for description. If, however, you would
prefer to use your own reader or if the labs are individual rather
than group assignments, that option is fine too. Your disability
office may provide someone, or you can select a reader and bring that
person with you into the lab.
Best, Arielle

On 12/11/14, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am only in high school, but I have my aide help me and describe
> observations to me. However, I try to get my partners to assist in
> descriptions, but they are not always the best.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Dec 11, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Somaya Tarin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, I am a biochemistry major and most my classes require labs. The
>> disability resource center at my college assigns a lab aid to assist me in
>> the lab invironment. The aid is there to describe for example any changes
>> that take place in the lab like color, help with dissections, measuring
>> chemicals, and other analysis. I would describe to her what to do and she
>> would help me do it.
>> Somaya Tarin
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Nabs:
>>>   In the spring semester, I will be taking my first required “lab”
>>> course. The specific course is Physical Anthropology, which I have been
>>> told is geared toward the examination of bone structures and teeth of
>>> primates and humans (it may be different at other universities, it is
>>> just this way due to the focus of the professor who is teaching it). My
>>> question is about Labs in general—biology, chemistry, physics,
>>> anthropology etc.—because I will be taking a natural science course next
>>> fall, but if anyone has specifics about Anthropology labs as well, that
>>> would be cool too.
>>>
>>> So, what have been your guy’s experiences in lab environments? Were there
>>> extra accommodations which had to be made to help you succeed? What were
>>> some of the challenges or things which were surprisingly easy for you?
>>> Thanks for all the advice!
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>
>>>
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Thu Dec 11 23:40:24 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:40:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Holidays to all
In-Reply-To: <88FF4034-06AF-4F27-A9F8-EC2EA29BD3A3@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP2088CFCB77FDBC89AB2C0DFCE630@phx.gbl>

Hey happy holidays to you too, and everybody else that does on this list.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Dec 10, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> hello all. I just want to wish everyone a happy Holidays. I hope everyone has fun. Anyone can email me. I’m open for anyone’s emails. For those whom celebrate Xmas Merry Xmas.
> 
> Take care everyone.
> 
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From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 16:00:00 2014
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:00:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
Message-ID: <CAPMxSt1FOJq=KLPBSZwxFaYPNVXnKeU0dpyNL8SDFPyQnxLDhw@mail.gmail.com>

guys highschool is so difficult.there is a lot of homework and is very
difficult to organize myself, plus bessides homework I need to help my
host family with house chores and to cook. and then sometimes I don't
understand very well what does the teachers want us to do like the
assigments that we have to do and this week we started a book in
american literature class that I don't understan any of it. I am
afraid that if I do not organize myself better and if I don't
understand class asigments I won't make it through college. any
suggestions on how to organize myself better and on how or what can I
do in order to understand better teachers asignments and class
materials? thanks


From kwakmiso at aol.com  Fri Dec 12 16:43:36 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:43:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
In-Reply-To: <CAPMxSt1FOJq=KLPBSZwxFaYPNVXnKeU0dpyNL8SDFPyQnxLDhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPMxSt1FOJq=KLPBSZwxFaYPNVXnKeU0dpyNL8SDFPyQnxLDhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1E441E8C704D6-19F8-3A43C@webmail-m229.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Ana,
In response to your emails I 'd like to point out a few things.
1. 11th grade in U.S. schooling is meant to be one of the most 
difficult school years in K-12 curriculum. I guarantee you are not the 
only one feeling overwhelemed with school among your classmates.
2. You should bring these concerns to your teachers and counselors. 
They should be able to give you more practical solutions.
3. As a solution how about to-do list in which you write down what you 
need to get done in a given time and when you finish that task, cross 
it off (personally I write X in front of my item). Make sure to set 
reasonable goals, not ones that you will be overwhelemd.
Cheers,
Miso

-----Original Message-----
From: Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Fri, Dec 12, 2014 8:01 am
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool

guys highschool is so difficult.there is a lot of homework and is very
difficult to organize myself, plus bessides homework I need to help my
host family with house chores and to cook. and then sometimes I don't
understand very well what does the teachers want us to do like the
assigments that we have to do and this week we started a book in
american literature class that I don't understan any of it. I am
afraid that if I do not organize myself better and if I don't
understand class asigments I won't make it through college. any
suggestions on how to organize myself better and on how or what can I
do in order to understand better teachers asignments and class
materials? thanks

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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Fri Dec 12 16:55:24 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:55:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
In-Reply-To: <CAPMxSt1FOJq=KLPBSZwxFaYPNVXnKeU0dpyNL8SDFPyQnxLDhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPMxSt1FOJq=KLPBSZwxFaYPNVXnKeU0dpyNL8SDFPyQnxLDhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <873CA982-3561-4F06-98A5-A0DE6DE35123@aol.com>

Hi, Ana,
I am in my senior year of college studying to be a high school english teacher. What grade are you in? 
How many classes are you taking? Every high school is different and I do not want to assume.
What kinds of schedule do you have? Do you have block scheduling where you are in class for an hour and a half but go to less classes or periods where you cover more classes for a time frame of like 45 minutes? 
What kinds of technology do you use? 
Do you have folders for print or braille handouts? 

Do not worry about getting lost when covering new information in class remember it's new.
Do not be embarrassed to ask the teacher to explain the assignment differently if you do not understand that is her job. Just for my own curiosity, what book are you covering?  

Students get lost in college all the time but, they can always get help. There is support on the campus students can utilize as needed. Please do not let this experience discourage you from college.
 
Best,

Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 12, 26 Heisei, at 11:00 AM, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> guys highschool is so difficult.there is a lot of homework and is very
> difficult to organize myself, plus bessides homework I need to help my
> host family with house chores and to cook. and then sometimes I don't
> understand very well what does the teachers want us to do like the
> assigments that we have to do and this week we started a book in
> american literature class that I don't understan any of it. I am
> afraid that if I do not organize myself better and if I don't
> understand class asigments I won't make it through college. any
> suggestions on how to organize myself better and on how or what can I
> do in order to understand better teachers asignments and class
> materials? thanks
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 16:57:55 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:57:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
In-Reply-To: <8D1E441E8C704D6-19F8-3A43C@webmail-m229.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAPMxSt1FOJq=KLPBSZwxFaYPNVXnKeU0dpyNL8SDFPyQnxLDhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1E441E8C704D6-19F8-3A43C@webmail-m229.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <004b01d0162c$c6832540$53896fc0$@gmail.com>

Try to set your golas by the week to give yourself more flex time; plan
ahead, read the class syllabus.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak via
nabs-l
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:44 AM
To: martinezana770 at gmail.com; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool

Hi Ana,
In response to your emails I 'd like to point out a few things.
1. 11th grade in U.S. schooling is meant to be one of the most difficult
school years in K-12 curriculum. I guarantee you are not the only one
feeling overwhelemed with school among your classmates.
2. You should bring these concerns to your teachers and counselors. 
They should be able to give you more practical solutions.
3. As a solution how about to-do list in which you write down what you need
to get done in a given time and when you finish that task, cross it off
(personally I write X in front of my item). Make sure to set reasonable
goals, not ones that you will be overwhelemd.
Cheers,
Miso

-----Original Message-----
From: Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Fri, Dec 12, 2014 8:01 am
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool

guys highschool is so difficult.there is a lot of homework and is very
difficult to organize myself, plus bessides homework I need to help my host
family with house chores and to cook. and then sometimes I don't understand
very well what does the teachers want us to do like the assigments that we
have to do and this week we started a book in american literature class that
I don't understan any of it. I am afraid that if I do not organize myself
better and if I don't understand class asigments I won't make it through
college. any suggestions on how to organize myself better and on how or what
can I do in order to understand better teachers asignments and class
materials? thanks

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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Fri Dec 12 17:10:21 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:10:21 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
In-Reply-To: <CAPMxSt1FOJq=KLPBSZwxFaYPNVXnKeU0dpyNL8SDFPyQnxLDhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPMxSt1FOJq=KLPBSZwxFaYPNVXnKeU0dpyNL8SDFPyQnxLDhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1418404221.47995.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi Ana and all,

           As previously stated, I find check lists to be very useful. High school can be very demanding, but I find that time management is the key. Try to work on your homework as soon as you get home from school and pay attention to how much time you spend just relaxing. As far as understanding class readings, I recommend reading the plot overview on Sparknotes or a similar site before beginning the book. This way you will have an idea of the characters and key events. If you aren't already obtaining your books in an audio format , I suggest finding your books on Bookshare, Learning Ally, or , if it's old enough to be in the public domain, (Shakespeare, Chaucer,etc.) Librivox. com is an excellent resource. In regards to understanding your assignments, you may wish to discuss the directions with your teachers after class or as I believe your native language is Spanish, you could have the students who normally tutor students taking Spanish to assist you.

Good luck,
Kaley


On Friday, December 12, 2014 11:00 AM, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 


guys highschool is so difficult.there is a lot of homework and is very
difficult to organize myself, plus bessides homework I need to help my
host family with house chores and to cook. and then sometimes I don't
understand very well what does the teachers want us to do like the
assigments that we have to do and this week we started a book in
american literature class that I don't understan any of it. I am
afraid that if I do not organize myself better and if I don't
understand class asigments I won't make it through college. any
suggestions on how to organize myself better and on how or what can I
do in order to understand better teachers asignments and class
materials? thanks

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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Fri Dec 12 17:10:21 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:10:21 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
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Hi Ana and all,

           As previously stated, I find check lists to be very useful. High school can be very demanding, but I find that time management is the key. Try to work on your homework as soon as you get home from school and pay attention to how much time you spend just relaxing. As far as understanding class readings, I recommend reading the plot overview on Sparknotes or a similar site before beginning the book. This way you will have an idea of the characters and key events. If you aren't already obtaining your books in an audio format , I suggest finding your books on Bookshare, Learning Ally, or , if it's old enough to be in the public domain, (Shakespeare, Chaucer,etc.) Librivox. com is an excellent resource. In regards to understanding your assignments, you may wish to discuss the directions with your teachers after class or as I believe your native language is Spanish, you could have the students who normally tutor students taking Spanish to assist you.

Good luck,
Kaley


On Friday, December 12, 2014 11:00 AM, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 


guys highschool is so difficult.there is a lot of homework and is very
difficult to organize myself, plus bessides homework I need to help my
host family with house chores and to cook. and then sometimes I don't
understand very well what does the teachers want us to do like the
assigments that we have to do and this week we started a book in
american literature class that I don't understan any of it. I am
afraid that if I do not organize myself better and if I don't
understand class asigments I won't make it through college. any
suggestions on how to organize myself better and on how or what can I
do in order to understand better teachers asignments and class
materials? thanks

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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Fri Dec 12 17:16:06 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:16:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We know about college but think back to high school
Message-ID: <752613A7-AE68-4B51-890E-765337BB5E99@aol.com>

Hi everyone, 
For those of you who do not know much about me, I am studying to be an adolescent English teacher covering grades 7 through 12. I will be getting my masters in students with disabilities Ed which covers students with multiple and severe along with a TBVI degree. 
After floating around the field for a while I have heard plenty about what staff think they could do for an individual who is blind but to me that's like talking to the wall. I want to go right to the source. 

Plan your own transition from high school to college. 
Tell me what you want in the curriculum. 
Ideas to get you started 
Idid you feel prepared making the transition from high school to college? 
Did you have to take bridge classes to prepare you for the college curriculum?
What did your high school do to help you make the transition?
Did you think you were going to place at a college level for GEN EDS ie GEC courses? 
How did your TBVI support you as you transitioned to college? 
Did you feel you knew what to do when you got to the campus? 
I'm sure you get where I'm going with this.

Thanks, 
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

From mikgephart at icloud.com  Fri Dec 12 21:14:29 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:14:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
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Hi, Ana,
My history teacher is very vague. He is well-intentioned, but not good at at giving clear instructions and is not organized.  We do the same thing for homework every section and chapter. As for studying, I just study everything and talk things out. He is not clear about what you need to know. I get it out of him by repeating what he said after class, but in different words. Today, I was trying to memorize countries that I did not need to know because of his vagueness. I used the same strategies to find that out.As for when things are do, I get them done as soon as possible because you never know. Hope this helps!

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 12, 2014, at 12:10 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ana and all,
> 
>           As previously stated, I find check lists to be very useful. High school can be very demanding, but I find that time management is the key. Try to work on your homework as soon as you get home from school and pay attention to how much time you spend just relaxing. As far as understanding class readings, I recommend reading the plot overview on Sparknotes or a similar site before beginning the book. This way you will have an idea of the characters and key events. If you aren't already obtaining your books in an audio format , I suggest finding your books on Bookshare, Learning Ally, or , if it's old enough to be in the public domain, (Shakespeare, Chaucer,etc.) Librivox. com is an excellent resource. In regards to understanding your assignments, you may wish to discuss the directions with your teachers after class or as I believe your native language is Spanish, you could have the students who normally tutor students taking Spanish to assist you.
> 
> Good luck,
> Kaley
> 
> 
> On Friday, December 12, 2014 11:00 AM, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> guys highschool is so difficult.there is a lot of homework and is very
> difficult to organize myself, plus bessides homework I need to help my
> host family with house chores and to cook. and then sometimes I don't
> understand very well what does the teachers want us to do like the
> assigments that we have to do and this week we started a book in
> american literature class that I don't understan any of it. I am
> afraid that if I do not organize myself better and if I don't
> understand class asigments I won't make it through college. any
> suggestions on how to organize myself better and on how or what can I
> do in order to understand better teachers asignments and class
> materials? thanks
> 
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From osmond81 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 05:33:44 2014
From: osmond81 at gmail.com (Osmond Kwan)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:33:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Holidays Mabelin
Message-ID: <CAHQh3+bvUotbODaQX0Hjahnk5X7MzRurjqKcX2A8bwb3j9S=TQ@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Holidays Mabelin,

Just saw your message and greeting and wanted to write back. Do you
plan on anything special for the holidays?

Best regards,
Osmond


From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 14:49:13 2014
From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 09:49:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
Message-ID: <001101d016e3$f8f6de60$eae49b20$@gmail.com>

Dear Ana, 

 

Your message reminded me strongly of my high school education. I think much
of the advice you've received from the mailing list thus far has been very
good. 

 

I don't want to assume anything from the messages posted, but if English
really is your second language, someone you may enjoy reading about is Dr.
Wanda Diaz-blind NASA astrophysicist from PR.
http://www.studio360.org/story/128509-blind-astrophysicist/? 

 

I hope this helps. Feel free to contact me on or off-list in future. 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Zac

 

Zachary Mason

Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager

Northwinds Farm

(603) 922-8377 Work

(603) 991-6747 Cell

 <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 

 

806 U.S. Route 3

North Stratford, NH 03590

 

 

 

 


From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 15:27:44 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 09:27:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] YouTube
Message-ID: <29C334BE-8A17-4B18-B7E1-7B402D1792DA@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I hope everyone morning is off to a good start. I was wondering if someone could assist me with things on YouTube. I'm trying to delete videos from a playlist but am unable to. When I go to the playlist or, my favorites list, to the far right there is a button that says actions. But when I click the button the only thing are the only options I'm presented with our,cancel and dismiss. How do I delete videos from my favorites or any playlist? Thanks for any suggestions or help.
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 16:52:41 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:52:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
Message-ID: <548c6ee8.725e8c0a.8b32.ffffa595@mx.google.com>

Hi Ana this is a great discussion topic.  I am a junior in 
college earning my Bchelor's degree in Interdisciplinary Studies.  
I would set reminders for due dates on my IPad so I know when 
things are due.


From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 19:17:02 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:17:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] YouTube
Message-ID: <AEEAB4A3-99C8-4A89-91E8-C6827E0C7935@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I'm sorry if I have sent this message before, but I was wondering if someone will be able to assist me or give me some tips on how to delete videos from playlist in YouTube? I have tried some things myself but have had no success and any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks :-)
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 19:32:53 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:32:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We know about college but think back to high school
Message-ID: <548c9475.f4698c0a.3562.ffffc436@mx.google.com>

Hi Bridget thanks for your message.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  
For me the transition from high school to college was pretty 
easy.  My dbs counselors made sure that everything was in place 
for me to start college in the Fall of 2011.  In the Summer 
before my Freshman year of college I spent two weeks at a Summer 
camp for visually impaired college students.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 19:38:59 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:38:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My favorite Christmas Memories
Message-ID: <548c95e3.236a8c0a.6c60.ffffbcf4@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I'd like to share some of my favorite Christmas memories with all 
of you.  Trips to the mall to visit Santa Claus, snowflakes, cold 
Winter mornings, and a drive out to the cffryside to purchase our 
fresh Christmas tree are what I remember about Christmas.  I 
remember my paternal grandmother coming to Florida each year to 
bake our Christmas fruit cake.  In one  week my mom and I will be 
flying up to Canada to visit my grandmother who has been very 
ill.  I remember jaking up early on Christmas morning to eat 
breakfast and open presents with my family.  I'd like to read 
about some of your favorite Christmas memories.


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 20:05:05 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:05:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We know about college but think back to high school
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Hi, Bridget,

Academically, I had great support from my family and teachers.  I was
an AP/Honors student in high school, and managed to test out of my
introductory psych course.  I also was supported in taking my high
school's music theory class which, although wasn't available for AP
credit, helped me learn the basics of what I would come across in
college music theory courses my first year.  This course did not get
me out of taking theory classes at my college, but it made the first
two in the sequence a breeze because I had done the exercises before.
I also learned enough in this theory course to test out of my piano
requirements, and I was also encouraged to study guitar before hand so
I was able to test out of guitar more quickly than my peers.

My family has been really great about teaching me independence skills
for the most part, but there were times when my mother, who primarily
took charge of that, was worried enough that her fear got in the way
of my learning.  I really didn't know many blind role models at the
time, so I didn't learn how to do a lot of independent living things
before I was forced to do them in college.  This was fine my first
year, because I had a meal plan and there was nothing unsafe about
doing laundry that would have prevented my mom from teaching me that,
but in my second year it was clear how much I really didn't know.
Cooking was a huge issue, and so was cleaning.  I didn't have to worry
about cleaning too much while in a dorm room, but once I had a
bathroom to clean and a kitchen sink to clean out the garbage
disposal, I had no prior experience doing these things.  I'm somewhat
embarrassed to say that I learned these things through trial and
error, and googling instructions because I didn't really know who else
to ask.

While learning these things by trial and error can be done, it isn't
the most enjoyable experience.  Cooking was especially hard for me, I
think because everyone had always told me it was dangerous.  I didn't
use the oven for the longest time because I was afraid of getting
burned and not having much room to pull away like I would when cooking
on the stove.  My high school did have a cooking course like many do,
but it was hard to get into.  Moreover, I doubt I would have had the
support to learn how to independently do things in that kind of
setting.  Undoubtedly, my braillist would have come with me to that
class to act as an aid, and I probably would have been given the
simple tasks like mixing ingredients and measuring rather than
actually working with the cooking.

I also know that my high school offered a "life skills" program, but
this would not have suited me.  It was for the kids in the resource
room, and they were always given simple tasks like washing the lunch
trays in the afternnon, using the vaccum, etc.  For me, there would
have been no focus on what I actually needed to learn, or identifying
alternative techniques to accomplish those goals.  I already knew how
to vaccum and wash dishes, so that idea was nixed.  The other problem
was that the resource room kids did practice cooking and other home
management tasks like that, but I would have needed to miss important
classes I was taking in order to fall into their schedule.  It seemed
really tricky to get independent living skills I needed to learn
outside the home, while being a very successful student in the top 10%
of my class.

I know this is a huge problem facing those who are blind without other
disabilities; we don't quite fit in with the typical AP or honors
kids, but we need extra training that is sometimes taught to students
with developmental disabilities in a segregated resource room, and
what AP kid is going to want to miss out on a chance to test out of a
college class early, even if it is to learn life skills they don't
already know?

On 12/13/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Bridget thanks for your message.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.
> For me the transition from high school to college was pretty
> easy.  My dbs counselors made sure that everything was in place
> for me to start college in the Fall of 2011.  In the Summer
> before my Freshman year of college I spent two weeks at a Summer
> camp for visually impaired college students.
>
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-- 
Kaiti


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 20:18:59 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:18:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
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Hi, Ana,

I agree that check lists are important.  What I do is something like
this.  (I do it now in college, and I did it all through my K-12
education on a notetaker).
Math---Problems 1-53 odd on pages 207-211.  Due Tuesday 12-2-14.
English---Read chapters 7 and 8 of The Scarlet Letter tonight.  Be
prepared to discuss prejudice and cite examples from the book thus far
in discussion tomorrow.
Social Studies: None, but remember that the paper on the French
Revolution is due on Friday.  Write at least a page of the 5 page
paper tonight.
Science---Complete the practice test on page 318 of the book in
preparation for Thursday's test.  Practice tests are due tomorrow in
class, and we'll go over the answers.
AP Psych: Test corrections are due on Tuesday Dec 3.  Remember to cite
the source used to find the correct answer and write why it is correct
to receive full credit.
Misc---Cheese and Saussage sale packets are due at the start of band
on Monday.  Don't forget to bring $10 to play rehearsal tomorrow to
pay for stage makeup kit.

This is something like I would have written in high school.  I also
like to include a misc section to keep track of other deadlines.  I
used to check things off, but now I prefer to just delete things that
I've accomplished so the list is shorter.

I don't want to assume how much work you have on your plate, but I'd
recommend taking a look at how well you budget your time.  Are you
socializing too much after school?  Are you involved in too many
activities?  What times are you getting up in the morning and going to
bed?  It might be easier to do your household chores in the morning
before school, so that afterwards you can focus on homework.  These
are just ideas, not necessarily suggestions of what you should do
since I don't know what your routine is like.

As for understanding assignments, how much do you speak to your
teachers or counselors about the problems you have understanding
assignments and literature?  Are they fully aware of the problems?  I
have found a lot that sometimes people are worried of asking questions
like this, but those who are in positions to help you might not know
what is going on if you don't tell them.

Hope these things help you.

On 12/13/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Ana this is a great discussion topic.  I am a junior in
> college earning my Bchelor's degree in Interdisciplinary Studies.
> I would set reminders for due dates on my IPad so I know when
> things are due.
>
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-- 
Kaiti


From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Sat Dec 13 20:28:37 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:28:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We know about college but think back to high school
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References: <548c9475.f4698c0a.3562.ffffc436@mx.google.com>
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Hi Rona and Kati,
I'm glad to know your high school experiences were positive and the transition was ideal. Katie I most definitely agree the life skills programs the traditional high school offers is not appropriate for students in the mainstream setting who are blind. 
This topic came to me because unfortunately, for some reason students are not doing well transitioning in my area. I am trying to compare what other students have received to these students. I'm hoping I can find the missing links.
  
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 13, 26 Heisei, at 2:32 PM, Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bridget thanks for your message.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  For me the transition from high school to college was pretty easy.  My dbs counselors made sure that everything was in place for me to start college in the Fall of 2011.  In the Summer before my Freshman year of college I spent two weeks at a Summer camp for visually impaired college students.


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 20:57:32 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 12:57:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] We know about college but think back to high school
In-Reply-To: <1710649F-6147-462C-BE44-93F44BB2D487@aol.com>
References: <548c9475.f4698c0a.3562.ffffc436@mx.google.com>
	<1710649F-6147-462C-BE44-93F44BB2D487@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCzrNiqGSme0Nxi2bWjBa+9pWZBCV4NxP8pAwzb1zNaOw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
This also relates to Ana's thread. I firmly believe that college is
easier than high school, for several reasons. First, you make your own
schedule. Second, you spend less hours per day on campus in college
than you do in high school. Third, much less busy work and homework to
keep organized; you also get the whole semester's schedule in advance,
which really helps with planning. Fourth, more access to tutoring and
support resources. Fifth, many of your teachers are experts in their
field with advanced doctoral degrees and really love their subject.
There are also numerous social advantages of college over high school
Unfortunately, I think many TVI's and other disability professionals
don't see these advantages and instead teach students to be afraid of
college or to depend too much on disability support offices that are
often over-worked and unable to accommodate them. Other times,
students are held to such low expectations in high school that college
is actually harder than high school for them. The one challenge of
college that isn't present in high school is the need to independently
secure accessible textbooks. There are many resources for this, but if
students are only told about one or two of them, they are apt to
struggle. Many students today also don't realize that hiring a reader
is a viable option and sometimes the best way to get a job done.
Bridget, when you say students aren't transitioning well,could you
provide a little more detail? Are they dropping out of college, not
being admitted to college, or struggling to find employment?
Arielle

On 12/13/14, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Rona and Kati,
> I'm glad to know your high school experiences were positive and the
> transition was ideal. Katie I most definitely agree the life skills programs
> the traditional high school offers is not appropriate for students in the
> mainstream setting who are blind.
> This topic came to me because unfortunately, for some reason students are
> not doing well transitioning in my area. I am trying to compare what other
> students have received to these students. I'm hoping I can find the missing
> links.
>
> Bridget
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Dec 13, 26 Heisei, at 2:32 PM, Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bridget thanks for your message.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  For me
>> the transition from high school to college was pretty easy.  My dbs
>> counselors made sure that everything was in place for me to start college
>> in the Fall of 2011.  In the Summer before my Freshman year of college I
>> spent two weeks at a Summer camp for visually impaired college students.
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 21:20:03 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 16:20:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We know about college but think back to high school
Message-ID: <548cad93.4150e00a.4cc3.ffffcdef@mx.google.com>

Hi Arielle I agree with what you have said.  I also believe that 
life skills programs are not appropriate in the mainstream 
setting for students who are blind.  I attended the Transition 
program at the Lighthouse of Central Florida before beginning my 
college career.  This program taught me many of the independent 
living skills that I still use today.


From iperrault at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 13 22:02:28 2014
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 17:02:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Box Question
Message-ID: <BLU175-DS18720B304E0927EA68F748BF610@phx.gbl>

Hi All,
I just created a Box account on my laptop. JAWS reads the browse button for uploading files, but I want to upload folders, and I’m having trouble. How do you upload entire folders from your laptop to Box? This is box www.box.net, not dropbox.
Ian

From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 00:30:03 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 19:30:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We know about college but think back to high school
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Hi Bridget and all,

The problem with that for some students is that they want to get into
the work force as quickly as possible.  This is why many students
choose to defer going to an NFB training center till after they have
their college degree, so they can job search and start to look around
in their free time while learning blindness skills.

One more thing I forgot to mention, but have been thinking about this
afternoon.  How much responsibility lies with the TVI to really
prepare a student for college?  I personally think that it is the
school's responsibility to train the student academically, the family
to teach independent living skills, and the TVI to make sure the
student knows their accessibility options, how to work with DS, when
to and when not to ask for help doing homework, taking tests, using a
reader, etc, and of course braille literacy training.  I had the same
TVI from kindergarten through the 8th grade.  In the 9th grade I was
given a new one, and worked with her solely on Nemeth for 3 years
because I tended to struggle in math.  My senior year she started
working as an O&M specialist, and I was placed with a woman who was a
lackluster TVI.  She had apparently been working for years as a low
vision specialist, and had forgotten most of the braille code.  Then
she had to teach braille, and she didn't seem like she even knew what
to do with me.  She wanted to help me write my college applications
and look for scholarships, but since I had already started both of
those processes on my own I did not feel that these braille lessons
without braille were a good use of anyone's time.  With the support of
my braillist and parents, I stopped having TVI instruction for the
last year of schooling; I was done with my high school math and only
needed to take stats in college, so the extra work in advanced Nemeth
was not even necessary even if the teacher knew it.

I bring this up because I think everyone, including TVIs, have a
skewed perception of what their responsibility is.  In this case, the
woman called my mother to basically rat me out for not continuing
braille, and she thought that since I was still under 18 my mom could
intervene.  She was quite surprised when my parents expressed that
they also felt like there was nothing for me to gain by continuing
braille, and that my mom had already been helping me edit my completed
scholarship applications and college admissions essays for a while.

I know not everyone's situation is the same, but I do think there are
certain responsibilities that are not part of a TVI's job description
which are often attributed to them.  TVIs have enough to do, so where
is the line drawn?

On 12/13/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Arielle I agree with what you have said.  I also believe that
> life skills programs are not appropriate in the mainstream
> setting for students who are blind.  I attended the Transition
> program at the Lighthouse of Central Florida before beginning my
> college career.  This program taught me many of the independent
> living skills that I still use today.
>
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From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 17:33:56 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] We know about college but think back to high school
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Hi Kaiti, That's an excellent point. I think sometimes folks try to
lean on disability professionals for non-disability-related help. It's
not just blind students who may do this, but also parents, teachers
and professors can be the worst offenders. TVI's are useful for
teaching about access and, hopefully, should be qualified to teach
Braille and technology. They are not, however, experts in advanced
math content, college admissions or scholarships. A high school
student should really reach out to a guidance counselor for that kind
of support, since guidance counselors are specially trained and
experienced in helping students get into college. Similarly, a college
DSS is not a good place to look for academic tutoring or advice on
what courses to take. Instead, a mainstream tutoring center or an
academic advisor is the most qualified person to work with.
I think students can sometimes get into trouble if they rely too much
on DSS for needs unrelated to their disability.
Arielle

On 12/13/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Bridget and all,
>
> The problem with that for some students is that they want to get into
> the work force as quickly as possible.  This is why many students
> choose to defer going to an NFB training center till after they have
> their college degree, so they can job search and start to look around
> in their free time while learning blindness skills.
>
> One more thing I forgot to mention, but have been thinking about this
> afternoon.  How much responsibility lies with the TVI to really
> prepare a student for college?  I personally think that it is the
> school's responsibility to train the student academically, the family
> to teach independent living skills, and the TVI to make sure the
> student knows their accessibility options, how to work with DS, when
> to and when not to ask for help doing homework, taking tests, using a
> reader, etc, and of course braille literacy training.  I had the same
> TVI from kindergarten through the 8th grade.  In the 9th grade I was
> given a new one, and worked with her solely on Nemeth for 3 years
> because I tended to struggle in math.  My senior year she started
> working as an O&M specialist, and I was placed with a woman who was a
> lackluster TVI.  She had apparently been working for years as a low
> vision specialist, and had forgotten most of the braille code.  Then
> she had to teach braille, and she didn't seem like she even knew what
> to do with me.  She wanted to help me write my college applications
> and look for scholarships, but since I had already started both of
> those processes on my own I did not feel that these braille lessons
> without braille were a good use of anyone's time.  With the support of
> my braillist and parents, I stopped having TVI instruction for the
> last year of schooling; I was done with my high school math and only
> needed to take stats in college, so the extra work in advanced Nemeth
> was not even necessary even if the teacher knew it.
>
> I bring this up because I think everyone, including TVIs, have a
> skewed perception of what their responsibility is.  In this case, the
> woman called my mother to basically rat me out for not continuing
> braille, and she thought that since I was still under 18 my mom could
> intervene.  She was quite surprised when my parents expressed that
> they also felt like there was nothing for me to gain by continuing
> braille, and that my mom had already been helping me edit my completed
> scholarship applications and college admissions essays for a while.
>
> I know not everyone's situation is the same, but I do think there are
> certain responsibilities that are not part of a TVI's job description
> which are often attributed to them.  TVIs have enough to do, so where
> is the line drawn?
>
> On 12/13/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Arielle I agree with what you have said.  I also believe that
>> life skills programs are not appropriate in the mainstream
>> setting for students who are blind.  I attended the Transition
>> program at the Lighthouse of Central Florida before beginning my
>> college career.  This program taught me many of the independent
>> living skills that I still use today.
>>
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>
>
> --
> Kaiti
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 14 02:29:12 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 21:29:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We know about college but think back to high school
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Kaiti,
Well said. I think with all the professionals involved and the family too, 
its no wonder blind students lack skills for college.
I agree with you that TVIs should not have to prep you for college 
academically much, but because mainstream teachers don't seem to know or 
always want to work with us, it seems to fall to the TVI.
For instance, several math teachers I had seemed to think tutoring me in 
math fell to the TVI, not them. They felt the TVI could better explain and 
show concepts to me, I guess.
Also, I think good TVIs want to help out, want to see their students succeed 
after high school, and cover all bases they have time to, so they do try and 
help you for college. Does this cross into academics? Yes, it may, depending 
on the student. I only applied to a few schools, and saw no need to seek 
guidance from the TVI on college essays, so that was not an issue. But my 
TVI most definitely secured accomodations for my PSAT and SAts.
They did support me in other ways. For other college bound students, the 
support may have included more academics and writing college essays.

You said
"it’s the TVI to make sure the
student knows their accessibility options, how to work with DS, when
to and when not to ask for help doing homework, taking tests, using a
reader, etc, and of course braille literacy training.  "

Absolutely! I was fortunate that even with low vision, my TVI supported 
braille literacy for me and I got the texts I wanted in braille as a senior.
My TVI also did all the other things you mentioned except for the advice on 
DSS. They new little of that.
But they did encourage me to advocate my needs in college and to talk one to 
one with professors about my needs.

For tests, they did assist with that. I was used to them brailling exams; 
but to prep me for college, they had me  take exams with them as a reader. 
For accessibility, they taught me to use the basics of Openbook as a senior. 
For books and readers, I was told how to sign up for RFB, now learning ally,
and given opportunities to order my own books. They also assisted me in 
directing them as readers. If I could have gotten more preparation from 
them, I would have loved more practice with readers. Directing someone to 
find what you want is hard and asking someone to skim for you is even 
harder.
I wish I had gotten more practice as a high school student as I had to learn 
by trial and error in college, because, as I've said before on list, you 
will likely need readers for research in college; not all databases are 
accessible, nor is everything in a database, so you will have to use 
something called print sources: periodicles, encyclopedias, and, yes-- old 
fashioned books.

Kaiti, you asked where the line is drawn, I have no good answer. I think 
that it should a case by case thing.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 7:30 PM
To: Roanna Bacchus ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] We know about college but think back to high school

Hi Bridget and all,

The problem with that for some students is that they want to get into
the work force as quickly as possible.  This is why many students
choose to defer going to an NFB training center till after they have
their college degree, so they can job search and start to look around
in their free time while learning blindness skills.

One more thing I forgot to mention, but have been thinking about this
afternoon.  How much responsibility lies with the TVI to really
prepare a student for college?  I personally think that it is the
school's responsibility to train the student academically, the family
to teach independent living skills, and the TVI to make sure the
student knows their accessibility options, how to work with DS, when
to and when not to ask for help doing homework, taking tests, using a
reader, etc, and of course braille literacy training.  I had the same
TVI from kindergarten through the 8th grade.  In the 9th grade I was
given a new one, and worked with her solely on Nemeth for 3 years
because I tended to struggle in math.  My senior year she started
working as an O&M specialist, and I was placed with a woman who was a
lackluster TVI.  She had apparently been working for years as a low
vision specialist, and had forgotten most of the braille code.  Then
she had to teach braille, and she didn't seem like she even knew what
to do with me.  She wanted to help me write my college applications
and look for scholarships, but since I had already started both of
those processes on my own I did not feel that these braille lessons
without braille were a good use of anyone's time.  With the support of
my braillist and parents, I stopped having TVI instruction for the
last year of schooling; I was done with my high school math and only
needed to take stats in college, so the extra work in advanced Nemeth
was not even necessary even if the teacher knew it.

I bring this up because I think everyone, including TVIs, have a
skewed perception of what their responsibility is.  In this case, the
woman called my mother to basically rat me out for not continuing
braille, and she thought that since I was still under 18 my mom could
intervene.  She was quite surprised when my parents expressed that
they also felt like there was nothing for me to gain by continuing
braille, and that my mom had already been helping me edit my completed
scholarship applications and college admissions essays for a while.

I know not everyone's situation is the same, but I do think there are
certain responsibilities that are not part of a TVI's job description
which are often attributed to them.  TVIs have enough to do, so where
is the line drawn?

On 12/13/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Arielle I agree with what you have said.  I also believe that
> life skills programs are not appropriate in the mainstream
> setting for students who are blind.  I attended the Transition
> program at the Lighthouse of Central Florida before beginning my
> college career.  This program taught me many of the independent
> living skills that I still use today.
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 14 03:00:39 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:00:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
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Ana,

I remember the very overwelming issues of high school, particulary junior 
year which is what I think you're in.

You might want to tell us more so we can give suggestions better. What 
format are your textbooks in? How will you read this american lit book?
What style is your literature class? When I was in eleventh grade, my 
english class was more discussion based; we also watched films of the novels 
if they existed.

First, don't base your high school issues on those you might have in 
college. College can be easier to handle in some respects. you have more 
work to do alone, yes, but you are not in school all day either.
It is different in key areas. First, you don't have  seven classes with five 
or six giving you homework; you can take 12 credits in college as a full 
time student wich is four classes.
Classes are not all day and you have some flexibility in making your 
schedule.
Second, your schedule and the work load is planned in advance. It will be 
noted on each professor's syllabus.

Third, you will not have home responsibilities in college.

So try not to think of college; it’s a whole new ball game there. the fact 
you care about your studies now and are working hard tells me you will 
likely be fine in college.

Here are some suggestions for time management.
Use a checklist.
Complete what is due first. We had block schedules in high school so if I 
had english work, that was not due till a few days later.
In other words, prioritize.
Do your work for  some time, like an hour and then take a short break. I 
found that short breaks actually helped me concentrate when I did my work 
and made me do it faster.

If you're like me, I get tired toward the end of the day.
Do your hardest subjects first.
Its nice you have home responsibilities; some blind kids don't have that. 
Talk to your family about perhaps alternating those tasks. I have no clue 
how many chores or if you have to do them every day. But maybe you can cut 
down on that if you cannot complete your work.

For instance, you  might do the dishes  every other day. Perhaps time 
consuming chores like vacuuming can be done on weekends.
Some may disagree here; but I really think it takes us longer to do our 
work. so I believe taking extensions on work is fine. If you need them, ask 
for them. Its okay sometimes. there is only so many hours in a day, and you 
need to have time for your life and relaxation too.


For clarification of assignments ask your teachers. Some teachers will stay 
after school to help students. if yours do that, you might find that 
helpful.
For literature books, I struggled too. I recommend reading the sparknotes of 
them.
Googling information or summaries of your books should help as well.

I hope you can do better.
good luck!
ashley
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From: Ana Martinez via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:00 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool

guys highschool is so difficult.there is a lot of homework and is very
difficult to organize myself, plus bessides homework I need to help my
host family with house chores and to cook. and then sometimes I don't
understand very well what does the teachers want us to do like the
assigments that we have to do and this week we started a book in
american literature class that I don't understan any of it. I am
afraid that if I do not organize myself better and if I don't
understand class asigments I won't make it through college. any
suggestions on how to organize myself better and on how or what can I
do in order to understand better teachers asignments and class
materials? thanks

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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Sun Dec 14 03:53:07 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:53:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We know about college but think back to high school
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Hi all,
Now we are really getting somewhere. 
I'm really happy to see the clarifications between TVVI respond abilities and responsibilities of guidance councilors. 
In a perfect world VI should be able to teach braille and AT. They should also be able to teach advocacy skills and an overview of how professors will treat a student in college.
I agree DS knows nothing in providing support to people with modality impairments. 
I thought it was just me.
The real problem no longer sounds like a lack of preparedness from the student infidels. 
DS and CI support need to be considered.
This is great
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 13, 26 Heisei, at 8:33 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kaiti, That's an excellent point. I think sometimes folks try to
> lean on disability professionals for non-disability-related help. It's
> not just blind students who may do this, but also parents, teachers
> and professors can be the worst offenders. TVI's are useful for
> teaching about access and, hopefully, should be qualified to teach
> Braille and technology. They are not, however, experts in advanced
> math content, college admissions or scholarships. A high school
> student should really reach out to a guidance counselor for that kind
> of support, since guidance counselors are specially trained and
> experienced in helping students get into college. Similarly, a college
> DSS is not a good place to look for academic tutoring or advice on
> what courses to take. Instead, a mainstream tutoring center or an
> academic advisor is the most qualified person to work with.
> I think students can sometimes get into trouble if they rely too much
> on DSS for needs unrelated to their disability.
> Arielle
> 
>> On 12/13/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Bridget and all,
>> 
>> The problem with that for some students is that they want to get into
>> the work force as quickly as possible.  This is why many students
>> choose to defer going to an NFB training center till after they have
>> their college degree, so they can job search and start to look around
>> in their free time while learning blindness skills.
>> 
>> One more thing I forgot to mention, but have been thinking about this
>> afternoon.  How much responsibility lies with the TVI to really
>> prepare a student for college?  I personally think that it is the
>> school's responsibility to train the student academically, the family
>> to teach independent living skills, and the TVI to make sure the
>> student knows their accessibility options, how to work with DS, when
>> to and when not to ask for help doing homework, taking tests, using a
>> reader, etc, and of course braille literacy training.  I had the same
>> TVI from kindergarten through the 8th grade.  In the 9th grade I was
>> given a new one, and worked with her solely on Nemeth for 3 years
>> because I tended to struggle in math.  My senior year she started
>> working as an O&M specialist, and I was placed with a woman who was a
>> lackluster TVI.  She had apparently been working for years as a low
>> vision specialist, and had forgotten most of the braille code.  Then
>> she had to teach braille, and she didn't seem like she even knew what
>> to do with me.  She wanted to help me write my college applications
>> and look for scholarships, but since I had already started both of
>> those processes on my own I did not feel that these braille lessons
>> without braille were a good use of anyone's time.  With the support of
>> my braillist and parents, I stopped having TVI instruction for the
>> last year of schooling; I was done with my high school math and only
>> needed to take stats in college, so the extra work in advanced Nemeth
>> was not even necessary even if the teacher knew it.
>> 
>> I bring this up because I think everyone, including TVIs, have a
>> skewed perception of what their responsibility is.  In this case, the
>> woman called my mother to basically rat me out for not continuing
>> braille, and she thought that since I was still under 18 my mom could
>> intervene.  She was quite surprised when my parents expressed that
>> they also felt like there was nothing for me to gain by continuing
>> braille, and that my mom had already been helping me edit my completed
>> scholarship applications and college admissions essays for a while.
>> 
>> I know not everyone's situation is the same, but I do think there are
>> certain responsibilities that are not part of a TVI's job description
>> which are often attributed to them.  TVIs have enough to do, so where
>> is the line drawn?
>> 
>>> On 12/13/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Arielle I agree with what you have said.  I also believe that
>>> life skills programs are not appropriate in the mainstream
>>> setting for students who are blind.  I attended the Transition
>>> program at the Lighthouse of Central Florida before beginning my
>>> college career.  This program taught me many of the independent
>>> living skills that I still use today.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Kaiti
>> 
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Sun Dec 14 04:47:35 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 23:47:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We know about college but think back to high school
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I apologize for all of the spelling mistakes. I hope you can make it out. I had auto correct activated on my iPad and I wrote the email quite fast. 
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 13, 26 Heisei, at 10:53 PM, Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Now we are really getting somewhere. 
> I'm really happy to see the clarifications between TVVI respond abilities and responsibilities of guidance councilors. 
> In a perfect world VI should be able to teach braille and AT. They should also be able to teach advocacy skills and an overview of how professors will treat a student in college.
> I agree DS knows nothing in providing support to people with modality impairments. 
> I thought it was just me.
> The real problem no longer sounds like a lack of preparedness from the student infidels. 
> DS and CI support need to be considered.
> This is great
> Bridget 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 13, 26 Heisei, at 8:33 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kaiti, That's an excellent point. I think sometimes folks try to
>> lean on disability professionals for non-disability-related help. It's
>> not just blind students who may do this, but also parents, teachers
>> and professors can be the worst offenders. TVI's are useful for
>> teaching about access and, hopefully, should be qualified to teach
>> Braille and technology. They are not, however, experts in advanced
>> math content, college admissions or scholarships. A high school
>> student should really reach out to a guidance counselor for that kind
>> of support, since guidance counselors are specially trained and
>> experienced in helping students get into college. Similarly, a college
>> DSS is not a good place to look for academic tutoring or advice on
>> what courses to take. Instead, a mainstream tutoring center or an
>> academic advisor is the most qualified person to work with.
>> I think students can sometimes get into trouble if they rely too much
>> on DSS for needs unrelated to their disability.
>> Arielle
>> 
>>> On 12/13/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Bridget and all,
>>> 
>>> The problem with that for some students is that they want to get into
>>> the work force as quickly as possible.  This is why many students
>>> choose to defer going to an NFB training center till after they have
>>> their college degree, so they can job search and start to look around
>>> in their free time while learning blindness skills.
>>> 
>>> One more thing I forgot to mention, but have been thinking about this
>>> afternoon.  How much responsibility lies with the TVI to really
>>> prepare a student for college?  I personally think that it is the
>>> school's responsibility to train the student academically, the family
>>> to teach independent living skills, and the TVI to make sure the
>>> student knows their accessibility options, how to work with DS, when
>>> to and when not to ask for help doing homework, taking tests, using a
>>> reader, etc, and of course braille literacy training.  I had the same
>>> TVI from kindergarten through the 8th grade.  In the 9th grade I was
>>> given a new one, and worked with her solely on Nemeth for 3 years
>>> because I tended to struggle in math.  My senior year she started
>>> working as an O&M specialist, and I was placed with a woman who was a
>>> lackluster TVI.  She had apparently been working for years as a low
>>> vision specialist, and had forgotten most of the braille code.  Then
>>> she had to teach braille, and she didn't seem like she even knew what
>>> to do with me.  She wanted to help me write my college applications
>>> and look for scholarships, but since I had already started both of
>>> those processes on my own I did not feel that these braille lessons
>>> without braille were a good use of anyone's time.  With the support of
>>> my braillist and parents, I stopped having TVI instruction for the
>>> last year of schooling; I was done with my high school math and only
>>> needed to take stats in college, so the extra work in advanced Nemeth
>>> was not even necessary even if the teacher knew it.
>>> 
>>> I bring this up because I think everyone, including TVIs, have a
>>> skewed perception of what their responsibility is.  In this case, the
>>> woman called my mother to basically rat me out for not continuing
>>> braille, and she thought that since I was still under 18 my mom could
>>> intervene.  She was quite surprised when my parents expressed that
>>> they also felt like there was nothing for me to gain by continuing
>>> braille, and that my mom had already been helping me edit my completed
>>> scholarship applications and college admissions essays for a while.
>>> 
>>> I know not everyone's situation is the same, but I do think there are
>>> certain responsibilities that are not part of a TVI's job description
>>> which are often attributed to them.  TVIs have enough to do, so where
>>> is the line drawn?
>>> 
>>>> On 12/13/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Arielle I agree with what you have said.  I also believe that
>>>> life skills programs are not appropriate in the mainstream
>>>> setting for students who are blind.  I attended the Transition
>>>> program at the Lighthouse of Central Florida before beginning my
>>>> college career.  This program taught me many of the independent
>>>> living skills that I still use today.
>>>> 
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 05:13:06 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 23:13:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Too much testing!
Message-ID: <548D1C62.1000403@gmail.com>

  HI guys I've always wondered the fact, do you guys think in some 
states in the US, they have way too much testing, Academic Asessment so 
as to instead of motivating a student to go to college, they disuade him 
or her from doing this? I understand the merits of wanting to maybe make 
sure the board of Education, of in my case Texas, ensure the students 
have the adequate academics, but wow making us suffer just to get this 
info? I don't know if it's still the same, but in my time there (the 
nineties), one had to pass what used to be called Tass (Texas Asessment 
of Academic StudiesI think it's the name) before graduating from high 
school, which I struggled in the Math part, having to take the darn test 
five or six times before finally passing the Math portion, thus how did 
you think I felt? desperate that I might not graduate from High School! 
and also in college, before continuing on to second semester, one had to 
take another sort of academic asessment test? Is it still the sane, and 
do you guys see purpose on making a student suffer like this? Again I 
understand the merrits of having these tests, but are they really 
necessary/useful, or what do you guys think of this topic?

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 17:32:45 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:32:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
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For the most part, this is right; but you may want to spend a little
time learning how to manage both.  Depending on what your housing
situation will be, and what your university offers, you may have to
learn to juggle school, social activities, and home management chores.
I know some universities have apartments which students can live in
on-campus.  These are different from the dorms though, as the cleaning
staff generally only cleans the common areas.  When I lived in an
apartment last year all the cleaning people did was vaccum the outside
hallways and lounges, sweep up the stairways, and clean up messes
outside of individual apartments.  They only came into the apartment
over winter break for a fire safety inspection and at the end of the
year after everyone moved out to clean.  All the cleaning (sweeping,
mopping, cleaning the bathrooms, wiping down the counters, vaccuming
the carpeted areas) was up to the people who lived in the apartment.

The same can be said for houses.  I'm not sure how unique my
university is for having student neighborhoods with houses in them,
but this year and next year I'll be in a house with five other girls.
We divide the chores evenly among us, and work on a rotating schedule
so no one gets stuck doing the same task.  We're pretty flexible about
it; our rule is that it should be done within the week you're
scheduled for that chore, Sunday to Sunday, some time.  The only
exception is trash, since that takes multiple trips from the kitchen
to the dumpster outside throughout the week.

So, it's possible that this isn't something you'd have to worry about.
If you're planning on living in a dorm for all ofyour college career,
then your house chore responsibilities will certainly be limited.
However, moving out of dorms and into apartments/houses on campus has
it's advantages, even if you have to take out your own trash and scrub
your own toilets from time to time.  Plus, you'll need to learn to
manage house management and work eventually, so it may be better to
look at this problem from a time management perspective and just
practice it now.

On 12/13/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Ana,
>
> I remember the very overwelming issues of high school, particulary junior
> year which is what I think you're in.
>
> You might want to tell us more so we can give suggestions better. What
> format are your textbooks in? How will you read this american lit book?
> What style is your literature class? When I was in eleventh grade, my
> english class was more discussion based; we also watched films of the novels
> if they existed.
>
> First, don't base your high school issues on those you might have in
> college. College can be easier to handle in some respects. you have more
> work to do alone, yes, but you are not in school all day either.
> It is different in key areas. First, you don't have  seven classes with five
> or six giving you homework; you can take 12 credits in college as a full
> time student wich is four classes.
> Classes are not all day and you have some flexibility in making your
> schedule.
> Second, your schedule and the work load is planned in advance. It will be
> noted on each professor's syllabus.
>
> Third, you will not have home responsibilities in college.
>
> So try not to think of college; it's a whole new ball game there. the fact
> you care about your studies now and are working hard tells me you will
> likely be fine in college.
>
> Here are some suggestions for time management.
> Use a checklist.
> Complete what is due first. We had block schedules in high school so if I
> had english work, that was not due till a few days later.
> In other words, prioritize.
> Do your work for  some time, like an hour and then take a short break. I
> found that short breaks actually helped me concentrate when I did my work
> and made me do it faster.
>
> If you're like me, I get tired toward the end of the day.
> Do your hardest subjects first.
> Its nice you have home responsibilities; some blind kids don't have that.
> Talk to your family about perhaps alternating those tasks. I have no clue
> how many chores or if you have to do them every day. But maybe you can cut
> down on that if you cannot complete your work.
>
> For instance, you  might do the dishes  every other day. Perhaps time
> consuming chores like vacuuming can be done on weekends.
> Some may disagree here; but I really think it takes us longer to do our
> work. so I believe taking extensions on work is fine. If you need them, ask
> for them. Its okay sometimes. there is only so many hours in a day, and you
> need to have time for your life and relaxation too.
>
>
> For clarification of assignments ask your teachers. Some teachers will stay
> after school to help students. if yours do that, you might find that
> helpful.
> For literature books, I struggled too. I recommend reading the sparknotes of
> them.
> Googling information or summaries of your books should help as well.
>
> I hope you can do better.
> good luck!
> ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ana Martinez via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:00 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
>
> guys highschool is so difficult.there is a lot of homework and is very
> difficult to organize myself, plus bessides homework I need to help my
> host family with house chores and to cook. and then sometimes I don't
> understand very well what does the teachers want us to do like the
> assigments that we have to do and this week we started a book in
> american literature class that I don't understan any of it. I am
> afraid that if I do not organize myself better and if I don't
> understand class asigments I won't make it through college. any
> suggestions on how to organize myself better and on how or what can I
> do in order to understand better teachers asignments and class
> materials? thanks
>
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 18:11:09 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 13:11:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool
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Not to mention the fact that a lot of us students don't move away 
for school and commute instead.  If you're going to still be 
living at home during college, there are chores that go along 
with that.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>, National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 12:32:45 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool

For the most part, this is right; but you may want to spend a 
little
time learning how to manage both.  Depending on what your housing
situation will be, and what your university offers, you may have 
to
learn to juggle school, social activities, and home management 
chores.
I know some universities have apartments which students can live 
in
on-campus.  These are different from the dorms though, as the 
cleaning
staff generally only cleans the common areas.  When I lived in an
apartment last year all the cleaning people did was vaccum the 
outside
hallways and lounges, sweep up the stairways, and clean up messes
outside of individual apartments.  They only came into the 
apartment
over winter break for a fire safety inspection and at the end of 
the
year after everyone moved out to clean.  All the cleaning 
(sweeping,
mopping, cleaning the bathrooms, wiping down the counters, 
vaccuming
the carpeted areas) was up to the people who lived in the 
apartment.

The same can be said for houses.  I'm not sure how unique my
university is for having student neighborhoods with houses in 
them,
but this year and next year I'll be in a house with five other 
girls.
We divide the chores evenly among us, and work on a rotating 
schedule
so no one gets stuck doing the same task.  We're pretty flexible 
about
it; our rule is that it should be done within the week you're
scheduled for that chore, Sunday to Sunday, some time.  The only
exception is trash, since that takes multiple trips from the 
kitchen
to the dumpster outside throughout the week.

So, it's possible that this isn't something you'd have to worry 
about.
If you're planning on living in a dorm for all ofyour college 
career,
then your house chore responsibilities will certainly be limited.
However, moving out of dorms and into apartments/houses on campus 
has
it's advantages, even if you have to take out your own trash and 
scrub
your own toilets from time to time.  Plus, you'll need to learn 
to
manage house management and work eventually, so it may be better 
to
look at this problem from a time management perspective and just
practice it now.

On 12/13/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Ana,

 I remember the very overwelming issues of high school, 
particulary junior
 year which is what I think you're in.

 You might want to tell us more so we can give suggestions 
better. What
 format are your textbooks in? How will you read this american 
lit book?
 What style is your literature class? When I was in eleventh 
grade, my
 english class was more discussion based; we also watched films 
of the novels
 if they existed.

 First, don't base your high school issues on those you might 
have in
 college. College can be easier to handle in some respects. you 
have more
 work to do alone, yes, but you are not in school all day either.
 It is different in key areas. First, you don't have  seven 
classes with five
 or six giving you homework; you can take 12 credits in college 
as a full
 time student wich is four classes.
 Classes are not all day and you have some flexibility in making 
your
 schedule.
 Second, your schedule and the work load is planned in advance. 
It will be
 noted on each professor's syllabus.

 Third, you will not have home responsibilities in college.

 So try not to think of college; it's a whole new ball game 
there. the fact
 you care about your studies now and are working hard tells me 
you will
 likely be fine in college.

 Here are some suggestions for time management.
 Use a checklist.
 Complete what is due first. We had block schedules in high 
school so if I
 had english work, that was not due till a few days later.
 In other words, prioritize.
 Do your work for  some time, like an hour and then take a short 
break. I
 found that short breaks actually helped me concentrate when I 
did my work
 and made me do it faster.

 If you're like me, I get tired toward the end of the day.
 Do your hardest subjects first.
 Its nice you have home responsibilities; some blind kids don't 
have that.
 Talk to your family about perhaps alternating those tasks. I 
have no clue
 how many chores or if you have to do them every day. But maybe 
you can cut
 down on that if you cannot complete your work.

 For instance, you  might do the dishes  every other day. Perhaps 
time
 consuming chores like vacuuming can be done on weekends.
 Some may disagree here; but I really think it takes us longer to 
do our
 work. so I believe taking extensions on work is fine. If you 
need them, ask
 for them. Its okay sometimes. there is only so many hours in a 
day, and you
 need to have time for your life and relaxation too.


 For clarification of assignments ask your teachers. Some 
teachers will stay
 after school to help students. if yours do that, you might find 
that
 helpful.
 For literature books, I struggled too. I recommend reading the 
sparknotes of
 them.
 Googling information or summaries of your books should help as 
well.

 I hope you can do better.
 good luck!
 ashley
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Ana Martinez via nabs-l
 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:00 AM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] difficulties in highschool

 guys highschool is so difficult.there is a lot of homework and 
is very
 difficult to organize myself, plus bessides homework I need to 
help my
 host family with house chores and to cook. and then sometimes I 
don't
 understand very well what does the teachers want us to do like 
the
 assigments that we have to do and this week we started a book in
 american literature class that I don't understan any of it. I am
 afraid that if I do not organize myself better and if I don't
 understand class asigments I won't make it through college. any
 suggestions on how to organize myself better and on how or what 
can I
 do in order to understand better teachers asignments and class
 materials? thanks

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 23:57:49 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 18:57:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Too much testing!
Message-ID: <548e240f.705c8c0a.aa6f.ffffbdbb@mx.google.com>

Hi Herardo I think this is a great discussion topic.  I thinking 
the standardized tests in Florida are stressful.  I took the FCAT 
(Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test) several times and I did 
not pass the test.  I think that standardized tests place too 
much stress on blind students today.  I feel like all today's 
teachers teach is what will appear on these tests.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 14:07:51 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:07:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The Differences between High school and college
Message-ID: <548eeb4a.a1628c0a.7395.49a2@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

Due to the recent topics that were discussed on the list on 
Saturday I'd like to discuss the differences between high school 
and college.  My transition from high school to college was not 
an easy one for me.  I had a lot of things to get used to when I 
first started college in August of 2011.  In high school I had to 
get up early and get dressed to go to school at quarter to seven 
every morning.  In college I still have to get up early to get 
dressed for school, but I only take classes two days a week.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 14:13:31 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:13:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We know about college but think back to high school
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HiBridgett ?anks for your message. I believe that TVI's have an important role to play in preparing students for college. My TVI worked with me on improving my self advocacy skills ile I was in high school.  

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 13, 2014, at 10:53 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Now we are really getting somewhere. 
> I'm really happy to see the clarifications between TVVI respond abilities and responsibilities of guidance councilors. 
> In a perfect world VI should be able to teach braille and AT. They should also be able to teach advocacy skills and an overview of how professors will treat a student in college.
> I agree DS knows nothing in providing support to people with modality impairments. 
> I thought it was just me.
> The real problem no longer sounds like a lack of preparedness from the student infidels. 
> DS and CI support need to be considered.
> This is great
> Bridget 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 13, 26 Heisei, at 8:33 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kaiti, That's an excellent point. I think sometimes folks try to
>> lean on disability professionals for non-disability-related help. It's
>> not just blind students who may do this, but also parents, teachers
>> and professors can be the worst offenders. TVI's are useful for
>> teaching about access and, hopefully, should be qualified to teach
>> Braille and technology. They are not, however, experts in advanced
>> math content, college admissions or scholarships. A high school
>> student should really reach out to a guidance counselor for that kind
>> of support, since guidance counselors are specially trained and
>> experienced in helping students get into college. Similarly, a college
>> DSS is not a good place to look for academic tutoring or advice on
>> what courses to take. Instead, a mainstream tutoring center or an
>> academic advisor is the most qualified person to work with.
>> I think students can sometimes get into trouble if they rely too much
>> on DSS for needs unrelated to their disability.
>> Arielle
>> 
>>> On 12/13/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Bridget and all,
>>> 
>>> The problem with that for some students is that they want to get into
>>> the work force as quickly as possible.  This is why many students
>>> choose to defer going to an NFB training center till after they have
>>> their college degree, so they can job search and start to look around
>>> in their free time while learning blindness skills.
>>> 
>>> One more thing I forgot to mention, but have been thinking about this
>>> afternoon.  How much responsibility lies with the TVI to really
>>> prepare a student for college?  I personally think that it is the
>>> school's responsibility to train the student academically, the family
>>> to teach independent living skills, and the TVI to make sure the
>>> student knows their accessibility options, how to work with DS, when
>>> to and when not to ask for help doing homework, taking tests, using a
>>> reader, etc, and of course braille literacy training.  I had the same
>>> TVI from kindergarten through the 8th grade.  In the 9th grade I was
>>> given a new one, and worked with her solely on Nemeth for 3 years
>>> because I tended to struggle in math.  My senior year she started
>>> working as an O&M specialist, and I was placed with a woman who was a
>>> lackluster TVI.  She had apparently been working for years as a low
>>> vision specialist, and had forgotten most of the braille code.  Then
>>> she had to teach braille, and she didn't seem like she even knew what
>>> to do with me.  She wanted to help me write my college applications
>>> and look for scholarships, but since I had already started both of
>>> those processes on my own I did not feel that these braille lessons
>>> without braille were a good use of anyone's time.  With the support of
>>> my braillist and parents, I stopped having TVI instruction for the
>>> last year of schooling; I was done with my high school math and only
>>> needed to take stats in college, so the extra work in advanced Nemeth
>>> was not even necessary even if the teacher knew it.
>>> 
>>> I bring this up because I think everyone, including TVIs, have a
>>> skewed perception of what their responsibility is.  In this case, the
>>> woman called my mother to basically rat me out for not continuing
>>> braille, and she thought that since I was still under 18 my mom could
>>> intervene.  She was quite surprised when my parents expressed that
>>> they also felt like there was nothing for me to gain by continuing
>>> braille, and that my mom had already been helping me edit my completed
>>> scholarship applications and college admissions essays for a while.
>>> 
>>> I know not everyone's situation is the same, but I do think there are
>>> certain responsibilities that are not part of a TVI's job description
>>> which are often attributed to them.  TVIs have enough to do, so where
>>> is the line drawn?
>>> 
>>>> On 12/13/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Arielle I agree with what you have said.  I also believe that
>>>> life skills programs are not appropriate in the mainstream
>>>> setting for students who are blind.  I attended the Transition
>>>> program at the Lighthouse of Central Florida before beginning my
>>>> college career.  This program taught me many of the independent
>>>> living skills that I still use today.
>>>> 
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Mon Dec 15 14:53:34 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:53:34 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] The Differences between High school and college
In-Reply-To: <548eeb4a.a1628c0a.7395.49a2@mx.google.com>
References: <548eeb4a.a1628c0a.7395.49a2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8424D8@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Hello There:
	Personally, there have not really been too many major changes, in my transition from high school to college. As a high school student, I was highly vested in bettering myself both personally and academically–I took AP courses, I learned how to take public transportation, and I’ve burned a salad or two, in my attempts to learn to cook.
	Since graduating in June of 2013, the only true difference has come in my overall workload. Each summer I take two courses, each semester I take six courses, and I’ve started/joined a lot of extra-curricular activities (the Speech and Debate Team, the first Official Philosophy Club, working for my DSS and joining the NFB).
	I think the most challenging and most rewarding transition between high school and college has to be the incorporation of braille in my everyday activities. I absolutely hated braille in High school, using it only in times of great need (math classes, foreign languages and…yeah, that’s it I think). Since arriving at my University though, I’ve realized how important braille truly is for a blind-person’s success. If I wasn’t so accustom to listening to my books on my braille note, I’d probably ask for all of my textbooks in braille…or not, but still.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
Treasurer and cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy club
Secretary, Nevada association of Blind Students
Assistive Technology Specialist, Disability Resource Center, UNR

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Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 6:07 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] The Differences between High school and college

Dear Students,

Due to the recent topics that were discussed on the list on
Saturday I'd like to discuss the differences between high school
and college.  My transition from high school to college was not
an easy one for me.  I had a lot of things to get used to when I
first started college in August of 2011.  In high school I had to
get up early and get dressed to go to school at quarter to seven
every morning.  In college I still have to get up early to get
dressed for school, but I only take classes two days a week.

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From philso1003 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 17:47:56 2014
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:47:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
Message-ID: <CAO2euMeX69=WeshAJJEWv-++eud7_FW90r_KO9k4Wr2fdhKqmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,
Hope everyone is enjoying your holiday season!
I wanted to ask members in this list who are college students, alumni,
or current high school students looking into college.
When you do college search, do you feel you have enough information
especially as a blind or visually impaired student, to make the right
choice about which college you should attend?
What frustrates you most about the college search process?
What kind of information do you wish you had that would help you make
the right choice?
And for college students and alumni, do you feel you chos the right
college and if not, what do you now know about this college that you
wish you had known about when you were doing your search?
Please feel free to tell as much as you feel like it. I really want to
learn about your college search experience.
Thank you so much for sharing. This can really help everyone.
Best,
Phil


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 19:04:48 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:04:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
Message-ID: <548f30e3.e1608c0a.768f.7997@mx.google.com>

Hi Phil my name is Roanna Bacchus.  I found that I had enough 
information to make the right choice jo attend a community 
college.  As a visually impaired student I used braille and Audio 
formats to complete my coursework.  In college you are allowed to 
choose how many classes you take each semester.


From mausbun at unr.edu  Mon Dec 15 19:18:58 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:18:58 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMeX69=WeshAJJEWv-++eud7_FW90r_KO9k4Wr2fdhKqmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMeX69=WeshAJJEWv-++eud7_FW90r_KO9k4Wr2fdhKqmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8436F4@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Hello Phil:
	I was fortunate, in that I was able to take college courses at my University when I was still in high school; because of this, I was able to grasp the necessary information, in order to determine that this is the right University for me. By necessary information, I mean the inner workings of the Disability center, the mindset of a majority of professors on campus (I spoke to as many as I could find, just because I was interested), the layout of the campus and the difficulties in terrain/inaccessibility of the campus ahead of time, which allowed me to adapt.
	I am finding though, as I look for Ph.D. programs which will fit my specific needs, I am at a slight disadvantage. Many of the schools which I am looking at are no ware near where I currently live, making my previous deduction skills useless. Moreover, I could email professors, but it isn’t the same as talking to them. I can’t interpret their voices, the positioning of their body in relation to mine, etc. which would help me make the choice of whether they accept me or not, etc.
	Furthermore, when I have traveled to other Universities for Speech and Debate, I have encountered some difficulties in terrain. This made me realize, the layout of the campus is a key component to how I may consider going there. I know for sure, I will not ever choose to go to the University of the Pacific in Stockton, for example, because buildings are separated by great distance and stairs are labeled; moreover, almost no room has braille signage.
	Stuff like that would impact my decision, I think.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun

________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Phil via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:47 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search

Hey all,
Hope everyone is enjoying your holiday season!
I wanted to ask members in this list who are college students, alumni,
or current high school students looking into college.
When you do college search, do you feel you have enough information
especially as a blind or visually impaired student, to make the right
choice about which college you should attend?
What frustrates you most about the college search process?
What kind of information do you wish you had that would help you make
the right choice?
And for college students and alumni, do you feel you chos the right
college and if not, what do you now know about this college that you
wish you had known about when you were doing your search?
Please feel free to tell as much as you feel like it. I really want to
learn about your college search experience.
Thank you so much for sharing. This can really help everyone.
Best,
Phil

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From philso1003 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 21:02:42 2014
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:02:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8436F4@UBOX2.unr.edu>
References: <CAO2euMeX69=WeshAJJEWv-++eud7_FW90r_KO9k4Wr2fdhKqmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8436F4@UBOX2.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <CAO2euMcSwFHtBgRK=vo_w4hg=H=WFZvwOK1ptFvgvG4qT7TDfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,
Would you say it's fair to say that for us blind and visually impaired
students, choosing a school nearby we can gather the informatoin we
need. It's when the schools we are considering are farther away,
that's harder to use deduction skills as you put it.
For your situation now, do you think it would be helpful if you could
get in touch with students with disabilities from the schools that you
are considering for your Ph.D. and ask for their opinions?
Regards,
Phil




On 12/15/14, Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu> wrote:
> Hello Phil:
> 	I was fortunate, in that I was able to take college courses at my
> University when I was still in high school; because of this, I was able to
> grasp the necessary information, in order to determine that this is the
> right University for me. By necessary information, I mean the inner workings
> of the Disability center, the mindset of a majority of professors on campus
> (I spoke to as many as I could find, just because I was interested), the
> layout of the campus and the difficulties in terrain/inaccessibility of the
> campus ahead of time, which allowed me to adapt.
> 	I am finding though, as I look for Ph.D. programs which will fit my
> specific needs, I am at a slight disadvantage. Many of the schools which I
> am looking at are no ware near where I currently live, making my previous
> deduction skills useless. Moreover, I could email professors, but it isn’t
> the same as talking to them. I can’t interpret their voices, the positioning
> of their body in relation to mine, etc. which would help me make the choice
> of whether they accept me or not, etc.
> 	Furthermore, when I have traveled to other Universities for Speech and
> Debate, I have encountered some difficulties in terrain. This made me
> realize, the layout of the campus is a key component to how I may consider
> going there. I know for sure, I will not ever choose to go to the University
> of the Pacific in Stockton, for example, because buildings are separated by
> great distance and stairs are labeled; moreover, almost no room has braille
> signage.
> 	Stuff like that would impact my decision, I think.
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
>
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Phil via nabs-l
> [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:47 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>
> Hey all,
> Hope everyone is enjoying your holiday season!
> I wanted to ask members in this list who are college students, alumni,
> or current high school students looking into college.
> When you do college search, do you feel you have enough information
> especially as a blind or visually impaired student, to make the right
> choice about which college you should attend?
> What frustrates you most about the college search process?
> What kind of information do you wish you had that would help you make
> the right choice?
> And for college students and alumni, do you feel you chos the right
> college and if not, what do you now know about this college that you
> wish you had known about when you were doing your search?
> Please feel free to tell as much as you feel like it. I really want to
> learn about your college search experience.
> Thank you so much for sharing. This can really help everyone.
> Best,
> Phil
>
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From philso1003 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 21:06:06 2014
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:06:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
In-Reply-To: <548f30e3.e1608c0a.768f.7997@mx.google.com>
References: <548f30e3.e1608c0a.768f.7997@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAO2euMfrMw38SjuXWsn=t9UdV71Qf85feEzXS-ov7uBSYruRtA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Roanna,
Thanks for your feedback. May I ask you, what did you kow about this
community college before you chose it? especially things related to
disability?
Thanks!
Regards,
Phil


From gera1027 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 21:20:59 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:20:59 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMfrMw38SjuXWsn=t9UdV71Qf85feEzXS-ov7uBSYruRtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <548f30e3.e1608c0a.768f.7997@mx.google.com>
	<CAO2euMfrMw38SjuXWsn=t9UdV71Qf85feEzXS-ov7uBSYruRtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548F50BB.3030804@gmail.com>

  I studied abroad, thus maybe my experience may be unique: Anyway two 
years before enrolment, I already knew where I wanted to attend college, 
thus the college president, gave me the chance two years before, to 
attend several Psychology classes and interact with the 
students/teachers, which I really enjoyed, thus I knew what to expect 
upon enrollment; well maybe not the little details of how some teachers 
didn't believe in my abilities etc., but those were more in the 
long-run. The essence, though, of the college experience, was what I was 
worried about; the layout was easy; which I learned several days before 
enrollment; the college is small, thus everything was in one building. 
Hope this helps some.

El 15/12/2014 03:06 p.m., Phil via nabs-l escribió:
> Hi Roanna,
> Thanks for your feedback. May I ask you, what did you kow about this
> community college before you chose it? especially things related to
> disability?
> Thanks!
> Regards,
> Phil
>
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Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!



From philso1003 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 21:31:04 2014
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:31:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
In-Reply-To: <548F50BB.3030804@gmail.com>
References: <548f30e3.e1608c0a.768f.7997@mx.google.com>
	<CAO2euMfrMw38SjuXWsn=t9UdV71Qf85feEzXS-ov7uBSYruRtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<548F50BB.3030804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO2euMfqeJ7JPSMWd=b6aaP3kvfJfHoVW=ea3yW=V5mzfNkO0w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gerardo,
That's amazing you knew so early on which college you wanted to go to.
You said the college experience was what you were worried about. Can
you elaborate a bit more on that? What exactly were you worried about?
And a side question, where did you study abroad?

Regards,
Phil


On 12/15/14, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com> wrote:
>   I studied abroad, thus maybe my experience may be unique: Anyway two
> years before enrolment, I already knew where I wanted to attend college,
> thus the college president, gave me the chance two years before, to
> attend several Psychology classes and interact with the
> students/teachers, which I really enjoyed, thus I knew what to expect
> upon enrollment; well maybe not the little details of how some teachers
> didn't believe in my abilities etc., but those were more in the
> long-run. The essence, though, of the college experience, was what I was
> worried about; the layout was easy; which I learned several days before
> enrollment; the college is small, thus everything was in one building.
> Hope this helps some.
>
> El 15/12/2014 03:06 p.m., Phil via nabs-l escribió:
>> Hi Roanna,
>> Thanks for your feedback. May I ask you, what did you kow about this
>> community college before you chose it? especially things related to
>> disability?
>> Thanks!
>> Regards,
>> Phil
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> --
> Enviado desde mi lap
> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
> RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM
> México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>
>


From gera1027 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 21:57:04 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:57:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
Message-ID: <548F5930.2050505@gmail.com>

  HI guys
It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes 
crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille 
out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I 
managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known? 
By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at 
first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read 
me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning 
them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the 
semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the 
classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or other 
activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on the 
college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the teacher 
in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers, 
printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took the test 
in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did computer 
maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my 
parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members, 
recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes 
on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in 
the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky 
because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a 
scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on 
there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for 
taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've 
contacted other college students, and they only dream of having these 
technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone to a 
private college, and not a public university? So there you have it; 
perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, and 
teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and 
made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these 
experiences worthwhile?

-- 
Enviado desde mi lap
Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!



From mausbun at unr.edu  Mon Dec 15 22:28:37 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:28:37 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
In-Reply-To: <548F5930.2050505@gmail.com>
References: <548F5930.2050505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B84394F@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Hello Gerardo:
	First, I’d like to say that your experience is admirable and definitely worthwhile and one that ought to be heard; after all, as you pointed out, a large majority of blind individuals belief or seem to believe: if there is no disability service, then failure is inevitable.
	With that said, however, I must point out a few things which are necessary, in order for something like your story to work successfully.
1)	A student must have family support. In some cases, especially when an individual is not an only child, family members may not always be able or willing to assist a student to the degree which is necessary (I.E. reading papers, recording books etc.). If there is zero family support, the chance of success is exponentially decreases, for both sited folks and blind.
2)	A student must have professor(s) trust. I also have had occasions where professors have given me the exam to take home or to do away from my disability center. In my case, it was either because the professor did not want to deal with the Disability services office or they did not trust the disability services office (professors are interesting creatures). In either case, if a professor gives you the exam like this, they have to trust that you will not cheat in some way shape or form. Many students, if they do not advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their instructors.
3)	Technology rocks, that is, if you manage to get your hands on technology which can help you succeed, then you may not need a disability center; however, most students don’t have the technology, which you stated, so most need the DSS in order to succeed in this case.
Of course, there are other ways for individuals to do things without the disability services getting involved; for instance, I always request my books from bookshare, so I don’t have to worry about the disability center not getting them to me on time. I think though, the key fact is that the disability center provides students with a safety blanket. You don’t have to advocate as much nor do you have to stress as much. If you go through a disability services center, then nine times out of ten they assist you in shouldering your burden. This, for a lot of people, can and probably does, act as relief.
	I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
Respectfully,
Michael

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From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others

  HI guys
It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes
crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille
out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I
managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known?
By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at
first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read
me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning
them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the
semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the
classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or other
activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on the
college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the teacher
in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers,
printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took the test
in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did computer
maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my
parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members,
recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes
on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in
the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky
because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a
scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on
there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for
taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've
contacted other college students, and they only dream of having these
technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone to a
private college, and not a public university? So there you have it;
perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, and
teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and
made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these
experiences worthwhile?

--
Enviado desde mi lap
Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 22:50:57 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:50:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying a Master's or other degree in the US?
Message-ID: <548F65D1.1030302@gmail.com>

  HI guys
OK this question has been kind of nagging at the back of my mind; I'd 
like to return to the US to maybe study a Master's degree, or other 
degree, and wonder, what tests would I need to take, so that my college 
degree here in Mexico, is validated, or is this not the right list to 
ask? I'd like to maybe study something related to access technology, 
maybe an instructor; I feel I have the qualifications to be a good 
instructor in the areas of
1.-Empathy: I can put myself quickly into the blind person's shoes, from 
the initial stages of frustration with the technology, to getting the 
hang of it; I've been there, thus feel I'm able to understand the person 
Psychologically speaking.
2.-Teaching Style: Since part of my psychology major focused on 
Educational Psychology, I feel I have a teaching style that works; how 
do you explain then that my technology podcasts are so well-listened to?
3.-Here in Mexico, I've wanted to start on my own being an access 
technology instructor, but here in Mexico, because of the high price of 
blindness technology, the blindness technology culture isn't as 
well-known as in the US, thus also because of a bad experience, I've 
been getting the idea maybe I'm not good,? nevertheless there's this bug 
that itches to maybe have another chance to teach, thus maybe proving to 
myself I'm not as bad as I think I am?
So my questions are (I'm still in the planning/researching stage) how 
would I validate my college degree I studied abroad, so that I could get 
into a university in the States? ]What tests would i need to take? 
because I imagine that being an Access Technology Instructor implies 
having a Psychology background of some sort? Thanks for info. Is an 
Access Technology Instructor a good job for us the blind?

-- 
Enviado desde mi lap
Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!



From mausbun at unr.edu  Mon Dec 15 22:59:38 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:59:38 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMcSwFHtBgRK=vo_w4hg=H=WFZvwOK1ptFvgvG4qT7TDfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMeX69=WeshAJJEWv-++eud7_FW90r_KO9k4Wr2fdhKqmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8436F4@UBOX2.unr.edu>,
	<CAO2euMcSwFHtBgRK=vo_w4hg=H=WFZvwOK1ptFvgvG4qT7TDfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8439A0@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Hello Phil:
	I would certainly assert that claim; however, it is important to keep in mind that my claim is a hasty generalization. I may be completely wrong, as it pertains to other visually impaired learners. I truly believe that I have it right though, because if we do not have access to the school, how can we make judgments regarding it? Of course, over a period of time (as long as you’re curious), a student will adapt to any situation.
	In regards to whether contacting others with disabilities would be useful, I’ll boldly state yes and no. The reason yes, is because by doing so, you can determine the ablest tendencies of the professor, that is, and how he or she views people with disabilities. The reason I would argue no, is because unless the individual you are contacting is blind and or has a similar mentality as yourself, the results may be varied. I’ve found that several of my fellow students here at the University of Nevada, have far different opinions of professors than I do. I so far, have loved every one of my professors; however, several have had a bad rap sheet in the past, as it pertains to disabilities or students in general. It’s the luck of the draw, in some cases.
Best regards,
Michael

________________________________________
From: Phil [philso1003 at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:02 PM
To: Michael D Ausbun
Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search

Hi Michael,
Would you say it's fair to say that for us blind and visually impaired
students, choosing a school nearby we can gather the informatoin we
need. It's when the schools we are considering are farther away,
that's harder to use deduction skills as you put it.
For your situation now, do you think it would be helpful if you could
get in touch with students with disabilities from the schools that you
are considering for your Ph.D. and ask for their opinions?
Regards,
Phil




On 12/15/14, Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu> wrote:
> Hello Phil:
>       I was fortunate, in that I was able to take college courses at my
> University when I was still in high school; because of this, I was able to
> grasp the necessary information, in order to determine that this is the
> right University for me. By necessary information, I mean the inner workings
> of the Disability center, the mindset of a majority of professors on campus
> (I spoke to as many as I could find, just because I was interested), the
> layout of the campus and the difficulties in terrain/inaccessibility of the
> campus ahead of time, which allowed me to adapt.
>       I am finding though, as I look for Ph.D. programs which will fit my
> specific needs, I am at a slight disadvantage. Many of the schools which I
> am looking at are no ware near where I currently live, making my previous
> deduction skills useless. Moreover, I could email professors, but it isn’t
> the same as talking to them. I can’t interpret their voices, the positioning
> of their body in relation to mine, etc. which would help me make the choice
> of whether they accept me or not, etc.
>       Furthermore, when I have traveled to other Universities for Speech and
> Debate, I have encountered some difficulties in terrain. This made me
> realize, the layout of the campus is a key component to how I may consider
> going there. I know for sure, I will not ever choose to go to the University
> of the Pacific in Stockton, for example, because buildings are separated by
> great distance and stairs are labeled; moreover, almost no room has braille
> signage.
>       Stuff like that would impact my decision, I think.
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
>
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Phil via nabs-l
> [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:47 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>
> Hey all,
> Hope everyone is enjoying your holiday season!
> I wanted to ask members in this list who are college students, alumni,
> or current high school students looking into college.
> When you do college search, do you feel you have enough information
> especially as a blind or visually impaired student, to make the right
> choice about which college you should attend?
> What frustrates you most about the college search process?
> What kind of information do you wish you had that would help you make
> the right choice?
> And for college students and alumni, do you feel you chos the right
> college and if not, what do you now know about this college that you
> wish you had known about when you were doing your search?
> Please feel free to tell as much as you feel like it. I really want to
> learn about your college search experience.
> Thank you so much for sharing. This can really help everyone.
> Best,
> Phil
>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 00:44:59 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:44:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8439A0@UBOX2.unr.edu>
References: <CAO2euMeX69=WeshAJJEWv-++eud7_FW90r_KO9k4Wr2fdhKqmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8436F4@UBOX2.unr.edu>
	<CAO2euMcSwFHtBgRK=vo_w4hg=H=WFZvwOK1ptFvgvG4qT7TDfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B8439A0@UBOX2.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAsk+mcY=Rpz2ePBQO_i8+DHe5UUVQjegTYLKqY1C7mAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael and all,
One nice thing about being in a Ph.D. program is that you will
probably have all your activities in just one or two buildings, so you
won't need to learn the entire campus. I was at University of Colorado
for six years and only used one building for all my classes and
research, plus two for teaching assignments. As for Braille signage, I
am unaware of a place where classrooms are consistently labeled. I
wouldn't let a large or sprawled-out campus intimidate you from
attending school there, especially since you will only be using a
small part of that campus.
I've never considered any disability-related factors when choosing a
school, instead focusing on the quality of the academic programs. I
honestly don't think there's much difference between schools as far as
accessibility goes. When choosing a Ph.D. program the single most
important factor is choosing a mentor who is very interested in
working with you and who you want to be spending a lot of time with. A
good fit between Ph.D. student and mentor is genrally more important
than te school itself.
Arielle

On 12/15/14, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Phil:
> 	I would certainly assert that claim; however, it is important to keep in
> mind that my claim is a hasty generalization. I may be completely wrong, as
> it pertains to other visually impaired learners. I truly believe that I have
> it right though, because if we do not have access to the school, how can we
> make judgments regarding it? Of course, over a period of time (as long as
> you’re curious), a student will adapt to any situation.
> 	In regards to whether contacting others with disabilities would be useful,
> I’ll boldly state yes and no. The reason yes, is because by doing so, you
> can determine the ablest tendencies of the professor, that is, and how he or
> she views people with disabilities. The reason I would argue no, is because
> unless the individual you are contacting is blind and or has a similar
> mentality as yourself, the results may be varied. I’ve found that several of
> my fellow students here at the University of Nevada, have far different
> opinions of professors than I do. I so far, have loved every one of my
> professors; however, several have had a bad rap sheet in the past, as it
> pertains to disabilities or students in general. It’s the luck of the draw,
> in some cases.
> Best regards,
> Michael
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Phil [philso1003 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:02 PM
> To: Michael D Ausbun
> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>
> Hi Michael,
> Would you say it's fair to say that for us blind and visually impaired
> students, choosing a school nearby we can gather the informatoin we
> need. It's when the schools we are considering are farther away,
> that's harder to use deduction skills as you put it.
> For your situation now, do you think it would be helpful if you could
> get in touch with students with disabilities from the schools that you
> are considering for your Ph.D. and ask for their opinions?
> Regards,
> Phil
>
>
>
>
> On 12/15/14, Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu> wrote:
>> Hello Phil:
>>       I was fortunate, in that I was able to take college courses at my
>> University when I was still in high school; because of this, I was able
>> to
>> grasp the necessary information, in order to determine that this is the
>> right University for me. By necessary information, I mean the inner
>> workings
>> of the Disability center, the mindset of a majority of professors on
>> campus
>> (I spoke to as many as I could find, just because I was interested), the
>> layout of the campus and the difficulties in terrain/inaccessibility of
>> the
>> campus ahead of time, which allowed me to adapt.
>>       I am finding though, as I look for Ph.D. programs which will fit my
>> specific needs, I am at a slight disadvantage. Many of the schools which
>> I
>> am looking at are no ware near where I currently live, making my previous
>> deduction skills useless. Moreover, I could email professors, but it
>> isn’t
>> the same as talking to them. I can’t interpret their voices, the
>> positioning
>> of their body in relation to mine, etc. which would help me make the
>> choice
>> of whether they accept me or not, etc.
>>       Furthermore, when I have traveled to other Universities for Speech
>> and
>> Debate, I have encountered some difficulties in terrain. This made me
>> realize, the layout of the campus is a key component to how I may
>> consider
>> going there. I know for sure, I will not ever choose to go to the
>> University
>> of the Pacific in Stockton, for example, because buildings are separated
>> by
>> great distance and stairs are labeled; moreover, almost no room has
>> braille
>> signage.
>>       Stuff like that would impact my decision, I think.
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael Ausbun
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Phil via nabs-l
>> [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:47 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>>
>> Hey all,
>> Hope everyone is enjoying your holiday season!
>> I wanted to ask members in this list who are college students, alumni,
>> or current high school students looking into college.
>> When you do college search, do you feel you have enough information
>> especially as a blind or visually impaired student, to make the right
>> choice about which college you should attend?
>> What frustrates you most about the college search process?
>> What kind of information do you wish you had that would help you make
>> the right choice?
>> And for college students and alumni, do you feel you chos the right
>> college and if not, what do you now know about this college that you
>> wish you had known about when you were doing your search?
>> Please feel free to tell as much as you feel like it. I really want to
>> learn about your college search experience.
>> Thank you so much for sharing. This can really help everyone.
>> Best,
>> Phil
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 01:05:58 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:05:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
Message-ID: <548f858a.275f8c0a.9917.fffffa45@mx.google.com>

Hi Herardo this is another great discussion topic.  Here in the 
United States we blind college students sometimes take things for 
granted.  Blind college students have had their books brailled 
for them in the public school systems in the United States.  I 
read all of my books on a thumb drive given to me by the 
Disability office on my college campus.


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 01:45:23 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:45:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying a Master's or other degree in the US?
Message-ID: <548f8ed3.c5aa320a.1889.13ef@mx.google.com>

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=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 01:45:26 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:45:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
Message-ID: <548f8ed6.c5aa320a.1889.13f2@mx.google.com>

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is=20horrifying=20(I=20know,=20I've=20worked=20there)=20without=20even=20ge=
tting=20
into=20giving=20blind=20people=20the=20chance=20to=20take=20in=20class=20ex=
ams=20as=20
takehomes.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Michael=20D=20Ausbun=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20Gerardo=20Corripio=20<gera1027 at gmail.com>,=20"National=20Association=
=20
of=20BlindStudents=20mailing=20list"=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2015=20Dec=202014=2022:28:37=20+0000
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20One=20can=20live=20without=20disability=20servi=
ces=20
and=20others

Hello=20Gerardo:
=09First,=20I=92d=20like=20to=20say=20that=20your=20experience=20is=20admir=
able=20and=20
definitely=20worthwhile=20and=20one=20that=20ought=20to=20be=20heard;=20aft=
er=20
all,=20as=20you=20pointed=20out,=20a=20large=20majority=20of=20blind=20
individuals=20belief=20or=20seem=20to=20believe:=20if=20there=20is=20no=20
disability=20service,=20then=20failure=20is=20inevitable.
=09With=20that=20said,=20however,=20I=20must=20point=20out=20a=20few=20thin=
gs=20which=20
are=20necessary,=20in=20order=20for=20something=20like=20your=20story=20to=
=20
work=20successfully.
1)=09A=20student=20must=20have=20family=20support.=20In=20some=20cases,=20
especially=20when=20an=20individual=20is=20not=20an=20only=20child,=20famil=
y=20
members=20may=20not=20always=20be=20able=20or=20willing=20to=20assist=20a=20=

student=20to=20the=20degree=20which=20is=20necessary=20(I.E.=20reading=20
papers,=20recording=20books=20etc.).=20If=20there=20is=20zero=20family=20
support,=20the=20chance=20of=20success=20is=20exponentially=20decreases,=20=

for=20both=20sited=20folks=20and=20blind.
2)=09A=20student=20must=20have=20professor(s)=20trust.=20I=20also=20have=20=
had=20
occasions=20where=20professors=20have=20given=20me=20the=20exam=20to=20take=
=20
home=20or=20to=20do=20away=20from=20my=20disability=20center.=20In=20my=20c=
ase,=20it=20
was=20either=20because=20the=20professor=20did=20not=20want=20to=20deal=20w=
ith=20
the=20Disability=20services=20office=20or=20they=20did=20not=20trust=20the=
=20
disability=20services=20office=20(professors=20are=20interesting=20
creatures).=20In=20either=20case,=20if=20a=20professor=20gives=20you=20the=
=20
exam=20like=20this,=20they=20have=20to=20trust=20that=20you=20will=20not=20=
cheat=20
in=20some=20way=20shape=20or=20form.=20Many=20students,=20if=20they=20do=20=
not=20
advocate=20well,=20never=20reach=20this=20level=20of=20trust=20with=20their=
=20
instructors.
3)=09Technology=20rocks,=20that=20is,=20if=20you=20manage=20to=20get=20your=
=20hands=20
on=20technology=20which=20can=20help=20you=20succeed,=20then=20you=20may=20=
not=20
need=20a=20disability=20center;=20however,=20most=20students=20don=92t=20ha=
ve=20
the=20technology,=20which=20you=20stated,=20so=20most=20need=20the=20DSS=20=
in=20
order=20to=20succeed=20in=20this=20case.
Of=20course,=20there=20are=20other=20ways=20for=20individuals=20to=20do=20t=
hings=20
without=20the=20disability=20services=20getting=20involved;=20for=20instanc=
e,=20I=20
always=20request=20my=20books=20from=20bookshare,=20so=20I=20don=92t=20have=
=20to=20worry=20
about=20the=20disability=20center=20not=20getting=20them=20to=20me=20on=20t=
ime.=20I=20
think=20though,=20the=20key=20fact=20is=20that=20the=20disability=20center=
=20provides=20
students=20with=20a=20safety=20blanket.=20You=20don=92t=20have=20to=20advoc=
ate=20as=20
much=20nor=20do=20you=20have=20to=20stress=20as=20much.=20If=20you=20go=20t=
hrough=20a=20
disability=20services=20center,=20then=20nine=20times=20out=20of=20ten=20th=
ey=20
assist=20you=20in=20shouldering=20your=20burden.=20This,=20for=20a=20lot=20=
of=20people,=20
can=20and=20probably=20does,=20act=20as=20relief.
=09I=20hope=20I=20addressed=20your=20concerns=20adequately.
Respectfully,
Michael

________________________________________
From:=20nabs-l=20[nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20on=20behalf=20of=20Gerardo=20=

Corripio=20via=20nabs-l=20[nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent:=20Monday,=20December=2015,=202014=201:57=20PM
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20One=20can=20live=20without=20disability=20services=20=
and=20
others

=20=20HI=20guys
It's=20interesting=20how=20you've=20guys=20talked=20about=20how=20the=20wor=
ld=20comes
crashing=20down=20when=20the=20Disability=20service=20in=20the=20college=20=
doesn't=20
Braille
out=20tests,=20make=20books=20available=20etc.,=20so=20I=20wonder=20how=20d=
o=20you=20
think=20I
managed=20in=20a=20country=20where=20disability=20services=20aren't=20heard=
=20of=20or=20
known?
By=20talking=20with=20the=20teachers,=20suggesting=20techniques=20for=20ins=
tance=20
at
first,=20they=20allowed=20me=20to=20take=20the=20tests=20home,=20and=20have=
=20my=20
parents=20read
me=20the=20tests=20and=20i'd=20answer=20on=20the=20computer=20and=20print=20=
them=20out,=20
turning
them=20to=20the=20teachers=20the=20next=20day=20as=20if=20it=20were=20homew=
ork;=20as=20the
semesters=20wore=20on,=20the=20teachers=20graduated=20to=20seeing=20them=20=
in=20the
classroom=20in=20a=20time=20when=20my=20classmates=20were=20out=20eating=20=
lunch=20or=20
other
activities,=20and=20orally=20test=20me;=20another=20time,=20I=20installed=20=
Jaws=20on=20
the
college's=20computer=20and=20I'd=20go=20and=20take=20the=20test=20there=20w=
ith=20the=20
teacher
in=20that=20she'd=20read=20me=20the=20questions,=20and=20I'd=20type=20in=20=
the=20answers,
printing=20it=20out=20afterwards,=20generally=20before=20my=20classmates=20=
took=20
the=20test
in=20the=20classroom,=20but=20can=20you=20believe=20when=20the=20tech=20guy=
s=20did=20
computer
maintainance,=20they=20erased=20my=20copy=20of=20Jaws?
Books=20and=20other=20written=20assignments?=20During=20the=20first=20semes=
ter=20or=20
so,=20my
parents=20mostly,=20but=20also=20from=20time=20to=20time=20other=20family=20=
members,
recorded=20the=20chapters=20on=20cassettes,=20to=20which=20I'd=20listen,=20=
and=20take=20
notes
on=20an=20old=20Toshiba=20Laptop=20running=20Keysoft=20my=20parents=20had=20=
bought=20
while=20in
the=20States;=20as=20the=20second=20semester=20ended,=20however,=20I=20gues=
s=20I=20was=20
lucky
because=20the=20university=20donated=20for=20my=20use,=20a=20PC=20with=20ku=
rzweil1000=20
and=20a
scanner,=20to=20which=20I=20afterwards=20put=20on=20Jaws=20and=20did=20all=
=20my=20
assignments=20on
there;=20they=20also=20donated=20me=20a=20NoteTaker,=20the=20Braille=20Lite=
=202000=20
for
taking=20notes=20etc;=20as=20I=20say=20again,=20maybe=20it=20was=20luck,=20=
because=20I've
contacted=20other=20college=20students,=20and=20they=20only=20dream=20of=20=
having=20
these
technologies!=20I=20guess=20it's=20one=20of=20the=20advantages=20of=20havin=
g=20gone=20
to=20a
private=20college,=20and=20not=20a=20public=20university?=20So=20there=20yo=
u=20have=20
it;
perseverance/determination,=20wins!=20Also=20support=20from=20family=20
mostly,=20and
teachers,=20except=20for=20those=20who=20dinde'didn't=20believe=20in=20my=20=

abilities=20and
made=20the=20semester=20a=20nightmare!=20So=20what=20do=20you=20guys=20thin=
k?=20are=20
these
experiences=20worthwhile?

--
Enviado=20desde=20mi=20lap
Gerardo=20J=20Corripio=20Flores=20Psic=F3logo,=20Terap=E9uta=20Reiki
Saludos=20desde=20Tampico,=20Tamaulipas=20M=E9xico
RompiendoBarreras=20espacio=20de=20psicolog=EDa/Superaci=F3n=20Personal=20
S=E1bados=2010PM=20M=E9xico=20http://radiogeneral.com=20=A1los=20esperamos!=



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From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 01:59:08 2014
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:59:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
In-Reply-To: <548f8ed6.c5aa320a.1889.13f2@mx.google.com>
References: <548f8ed6.c5aa320a.1889.13f2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9ug0EWQOo2bLcOWjKCuo319WQjqeb36baTnu+XYoq2HxA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi to all.  I for the most part have either taken college tests at our
college testing center with a reader who will read me the test, and
write down my answers.  There have been other times where the teachers
have orally given me the tests.  That is so wrong that blind students
would try and use there blindness to cheat on tests.  I have never
cheated on a test in my life.  If you cheet on a test, you pretty much
always get found out, and besides if you cheet on an exam, you don't
really learn the needed material for the exam.  It has also been my
experience regarding using a disability services center, that as I
went through my college classes, that I used there services less and
less as the years went on.  I'm not afraid to ask teachers for the
help I need.  I have found that using emails has helped me a lot when
either sending my teachers their assignments, or the teachers could
just also send me things like handouts or sylibe

On 12/15/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> As someone who is going to become a college professor, I would
> never allow a student to take a test unproctored.  I've had
> professors offer to let me do that, and once or twice I have just
> out of convenience, but I have too many blind friends who use
> their blindness as an excuse to take tests on their notetakers or
> worse yet at home so they can cheat by looking at the book and
> their notes.  The level of cheating that goes on in DSS offices
> is horrifying (I know, I've worked there) without even getting
> into giving blind people the chance to take in class exams as
> takehomes.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com>, "National Association
> of BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:28:37 +0000
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services
> and others
>
> Hello Gerardo:
> 	First, I’d like to say that your experience is admirable and
> definitely worthwhile and one that ought to be heard; after
> all, as you pointed out, a large majority of blind
> individuals belief or seem to believe: if there is no
> disability service, then failure is inevitable.
> 	With that said, however, I must point out a few things which
> are necessary, in order for something like your story to
> work successfully.
> 1)	A student must have family support. In some cases,
> especially when an individual is not an only child, family
> members may not always be able or willing to assist a
> student to the degree which is necessary (I.E. reading
> papers, recording books etc.). If there is zero family
> support, the chance of success is exponentially decreases,
> for both sited folks and blind.
> 2)	A student must have professor(s) trust. I also have had
> occasions where professors have given me the exam to take
> home or to do away from my disability center. In my case, it
> was either because the professor did not want to deal with
> the Disability services office or they did not trust the
> disability services office (professors are interesting
> creatures). In either case, if a professor gives you the
> exam like this, they have to trust that you will not cheat
> in some way shape or form. Many students, if they do not
> advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their
> instructors.
> 3)	Technology rocks, that is, if you manage to get your hands
> on technology which can help you succeed, then you may not
> need a disability center; however, most students don’t have
> the technology, which you stated, so most need the DSS in
> order to succeed in this case.
> Of course, there are other ways for individuals to do things
> without the disability services getting involved; for instance, I
> always request my books from bookshare, so I don’t have to worry
> about the disability center not getting them to me on time. I
> think though, the key fact is that the disability center provides
> students with a safety blanket. You don’t have to advocate as
> much nor do you have to stress as much. If you go through a
> disability services center, then nine times out of ten they
> assist you in shouldering your burden. This, for a lot of people,
> can and probably does, act as relief.
> 	I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
> Respectfully,
> Michael
>
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gerardo
> Corripio via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and
> others
>
>   HI guys
> It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes
> crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't
> Braille
> out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you
> think I
> managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or
> known?
> By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance
> at
> first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my
> parents read
> me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out,
> turning
> them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the
> semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the
> classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or
> other
> activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on
> the
> college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the
> teacher
> in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers,
> printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took
> the test
> in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did
> computer
> maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
> Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or
> so, my
> parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members,
> recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take
> notes
> on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought
> while in
> the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was
> lucky
> because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000
> and a
> scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my
> assignments on
> there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000
> for
> taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've
> contacted other college students, and they only dream of having
> these
> technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone
> to a
> private college, and not a public university? So there you have
> it;
> perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family
> mostly, and
> teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my
> abilities and
> made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are
> these
> experiences worthwhile?
>
> --
> Enviado desde mi lap
> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
> RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal
> Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>
>
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 02:09:34 2014
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:09:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Battery on the Braille note apex
Message-ID: <5D9CC29D-90FD-49A3-8C3D-525094E5F373@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
Does anyone find that the battery on the apex drains quickly?

Amanda


From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Tue Dec 16 02:39:43 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:39:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
In-Reply-To: <548f8ed6.c5aa320a.1889.13f2@mx.google.com>
References: <548f8ed6.c5aa320a.1889.13f2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9083A95C-2B0E-4D4B-A845-6C2656A2DB1C@fuse.net>

I personally would not trust myself to honestly to do a take-home exam.
Also, as has been pointed out previously, family support is not as accessible in some cases, for example, where there is a complete lack of support, or if a student lives farther away from home, like I am planning.
While I agree that disability services should not hold her hands for us and do everything, I do not think that they should be completely dismissed. I think, if used in moderation, and effectively, the DSS office can be a valuable tool for success.
Granted, I do not have experience with disability services offices directly because I am a junior in high school still. However, from stories I have heard on here, and other stories I have heard through friends, I have formed my own opinion.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> As someone who is going to become a college professor, I would never allow a student to take a test unproctored.  I've had professors offer to let me do that, and once or twice I have just out of convenience, but I have too many blind friends who use their blindness as an excuse to take tests on their notetakers or worse yet at home so they can cheat by looking at the book and their notes.  The level of cheating that goes on in DSS offices is horrifying (I know, I've worked there) without even getting into giving blind people the chance to take in class exams as takehomes.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com>, "National Association of BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:28:37 +0000
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
> 
> Hello Gerardo:
>    First, I’d like to say that your experience is admirable and definitely worthwhile and one that ought to be heard; after all, as you pointed out, a large majority of blind individuals belief or seem to believe: if there is no disability service, then failure is inevitable.
>    With that said, however, I must point out a few things which are necessary, in order for something like your story to work successfully.
> 1)    A student must have family support. In some cases, especially when an individual is not an only child, family members may not always be able or willing to assist a student to the degree which is necessary (I.E. reading papers, recording books etc.). If there is zero family support, the chance of success is exponentially decreases, for both sited folks and blind.
> 2)    A student must have professor(s) trust. I also have had occasions where professors have given me the exam to take home or to do away from my disability center. In my case, it was either because the professor did not want to deal with the Disability services office or they did not trust the disability services office (professors are interesting creatures). In either case, if a professor gives you the exam like this, they have to trust that you will not cheat in some way shape or form. Many students, if they do not advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their instructors.
> 3)    Technology rocks, that is, if you manage to get your hands on technology which can help you succeed, then you may not need a disability center; however, most students don’t have the technology, which you stated, so most need the DSS in order to succeed in this case.
> Of course, there are other ways for individuals to do things without the disability services getting involved; for instance, I always request my books from bookshare, so I don’t have to worry about the disability center not getting them to me on time. I think though, the key fact is that the disability center provides students with a safety blanket. You don’t have to advocate as much nor do you have to stress as much. If you go through a disability services center, then nine times out of ten they assist you in shouldering your burden. This, for a lot of people, can and probably does, act as relief.
>    I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
> Respectfully,
> Michael
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
> 
> HI guys
> It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes
> crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille
> out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I
> managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known?
> By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at
> first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read
> me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning
> them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the
> semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the
> classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or other
> activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on the
> college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the teacher
> in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers,
> printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took the test
> in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did computer
> maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
> Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my
> parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members,
> recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes
> on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in
> the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky
> because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a
> scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on
> there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for
> taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've
> contacted other college students, and they only dream of having these
> technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone to a
> private college, and not a public university? So there you have it;
> perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, and
> teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and
> made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these
> experiences worthwhile?
> 
> --
> Enviado desde mi lap
> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
> RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
> 
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From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 03:14:29 2014
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:14:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
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Lily. I agree with you.  When I was first in college, I really didn't
know all that much, about getting textbooks and the best way to get
handouts.  At first, I visited my DSS office quite frequently to get
handouts, or textbooks on mp3 cd.  But as the years went on, I learned
how to use the computer better, and how to get some books from
learning ally which meant I didn't have to use the DSS office as
often.  I always felt that my DSS office did a very nice job helping
me in my early college years.  I'm very greatful my college had a
tutoring center where I could go to get tutoring in classes especially
math.  Math is the reason why it took me so long to get my associates
degree.  Geometry was not fun.  It took me four hours to complete the
geometry final.  Good luck all in your persuing of your high school,
or college careers.  I wish more blind people would go to college.  I
know a couple people who don't go to college.

On 12/15/14, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I personally would not trust myself to honestly to do a take-home exam.
> Also, as has been pointed out previously, family support is not as
> accessible in some cases, for example, where there is a complete lack of
> support, or if a student lives farther away from home, like I am planning.
> While I agree that disability services should not hold her hands for us and
> do everything, I do not think that they should be completely dismissed. I
> think, if used in moderation, and effectively, the DSS office can be a
> valuable tool for success.
> Granted, I do not have experience with disability services offices directly
> because I am a junior in high school still. However, from stories I have
> heard on here, and other stories I have heard through friends, I have formed
> my own opinion.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> As someone who is going to become a college professor, I would never allow
>> a student to take a test unproctored.  I've had professors offer to let me
>> do that, and once or twice I have just out of convenience, but I have too
>> many blind friends who use their blindness as an excuse to take tests on
>> their notetakers or worse yet at home so they can cheat by looking at the
>> book and their notes.  The level of cheating that goes on in DSS offices
>> is horrifying (I know, I've worked there) without even getting into giving
>> blind people the chance to take in class exams as takehomes.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com>, "National Association of
>> BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:28:37 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>>
>> Hello Gerardo:
>>    First, I’d like to say that your experience is admirable and definitely
>> worthwhile and one that ought to be heard; after all, as you pointed out,
>> a large majority of blind individuals belief or seem to believe: if there
>> is no disability service, then failure is inevitable.
>>    With that said, however, I must point out a few things which are
>> necessary, in order for something like your story to work successfully.
>> 1)    A student must have family support. In some cases, especially when
>> an individual is not an only child, family members may not always be able
>> or willing to assist a student to the degree which is necessary (I.E.
>> reading papers, recording books etc.). If there is zero family support,
>> the chance of success is exponentially decreases, for both sited folks and
>> blind.
>> 2)    A student must have professor(s) trust. I also have had occasions
>> where professors have given me the exam to take home or to do away from my
>> disability center. In my case, it was either because the professor did not
>> want to deal with the Disability services office or they did not trust the
>> disability services office (professors are interesting creatures). In
>> either case, if a professor gives you the exam like this, they have to
>> trust that you will not cheat in some way shape or form. Many students, if
>> they do not advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their
>> instructors.
>> 3)    Technology rocks, that is, if you manage to get your hands on
>> technology which can help you succeed, then you may not need a disability
>> center; however, most students don’t have the technology, which you
>> stated, so most need the DSS in order to succeed in this case.
>> Of course, there are other ways for individuals to do things without the
>> disability services getting involved; for instance, I always request my
>> books from bookshare, so I don’t have to worry about the disability center
>> not getting them to me on time. I think though, the key fact is that the
>> disability center provides students with a safety blanket. You don’t have
>> to advocate as much nor do you have to stress as much. If you go through a
>> disability services center, then nine times out of ten they assist you in
>> shouldering your burden. This, for a lot of people, can and probably does,
>> act as relief.
>>    I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gerardo Corripio via
>> nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>>
>> HI guys
>> It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes
>> crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille
>> out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I
>> managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known?
>> By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at
>> first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read
>> me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning
>> them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the
>> semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the
>> classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or other
>> activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on the
>> college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the teacher
>> in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers,
>> printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took the test
>> in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did computer
>> maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
>> Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my
>> parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members,
>> recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes
>> on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in
>> the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky
>> because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a
>> scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on
>> there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for
>> taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've
>> contacted other college students, and they only dream of having these
>> technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone to a
>> private college, and not a public university? So there you have it;
>> perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, and
>> teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and
>> made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these
>> experiences worthwhile?
>>
>> --
>> Enviado desde mi lap
>> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
>> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
>> RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM
>> México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>>
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 16 03:27:50 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:27:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
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Hi all,

Interesting points. First, how sad that a blind student would take advantage 
of the setting like a take home test or unproctored exam and then cheat. You 
do yourself no good by this.
My exam settings have been in the learning center for the private college I 
went to. Tests were always supervised and I also had to sign an honor code 
thing. When at George Mason university, I took them in a private place but 
now they have an official testing center;  I took it unsupervised with jaws. 
but, I did have safe guards so I did not cheat. First, I wasn't allowed to 
use my own notetaker. I'm very surprised when I hear colleges let blind 
students let them use their own laptop or notetakers.
Second, I left my things in the main DSS office so its not as if I had notes 
with me. Yes, I could have found a way to cheat if I thought of it, like 
slipping a phone with notes in my pocket, but it never crossed my mind.

At the community college, I take them in the testing center.
It is not really proctored. I simply walk to a private room to do the exam 
with jaws or a pre arranged reader.
But I never have had the temptation to cheat. I notice they do not ask me to 
leave my belongings in a locker; I guess they feel that's harder for me, but 
I don't make an issue of it because e I'd rather keep my items rather than 
have to have
someone help me with the locker.

Second point. I agree that dss should be used in moderation.
Someone wrote in and said they did it without them. Well, you can in the USA 
too. but here is the ting. You have to have supportive professors and 
supportive family, this is simply not the case in USA colleges. you often 
live away from family. Even at home, not all parents will read texts to you; 
simply do not have the time or skill to.
Also, , I think its wrong to have to do an exam on your own time. we need to 
do it at school with some supervision  like everyone.

Of course you can do it with out dss; I've know a few blind students who did 
just that at private schools.
But the key to success was securing your own accomodations with professors 
and advocacy and flexibility of all parties.
Finally,  I think many of us find it nearly impossible to secure 
accomodations due to the university or college structures and policies. For 
instance, to receive accomodations via the community college and GMU which I 
referenced earlier , you have to go through DSS and get the accomodation 
memo. Professors are not technically supposed to accommodate you without 
your accomodation memo.
Also, I know from experience and those of other blind students, you have to 
go through dss to get electronic texts. you simply cannot! contact 
publishers and request it because of a disability. they have to hear it 
through dss.
So because of these policies and structures, we are bound to contact dss in 
some way. but that said, most of my dss offices have done the minimum and 
I've had to be an advocate and secure accomodations with professors. DSS was 
simply there to give me my accessible texts. Also, they were there to say in 
the official memo, here are ashley's accomodations, and you have to follow 
them.
Beyond that, they were little involved. I've had to politely get after 
professors to email me accessible handouts and powerpoints, for instance. 
I've had to remind them to read stuff on the board if they write it, etc.
So, don't think that because we have DSS involvement, that its very easy. In 
my experience, you have to still  be an advocate and work hard to get your 
accomodations. its far from being handed to you.

So, its not that we cannot do it Gerardo, its that conditions in US are 
different; so don't compare apples and oranges.


Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 8:45 PM
To: Michael D Ausbun ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others

As someone who is going to become a college professor, I would
never allow a student to take a test unproctored.  I've had
professors offer to let me do that, and once or twice I have just
out of convenience, but I have too many blind friends who use
their blindness as an excuse to take tests on their notetakers or
worse yet at home so they can cheat by looking at the book and
their notes.  The level of cheating that goes on in DSS offices
is horrifying (I know, I've worked there) without even getting
into giving blind people the chance to take in class exams as
takehomes.

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com>, "National Association
of BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:28:37 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services
and others

Hello Gerardo:
First, I�d like to say that your experience is admirable and
definitely worthwhile and one that ought to be heard; after
all, as you pointed out, a large majority of blind
individuals belief or seem to believe: if there is no
disability service, then failure is inevitable.
With that said, however, I must point out a few things which
are necessary, in order for something like your story to
work successfully.
1) A student must have family support. In some cases,
especially when an individual is not an only child, family
members may not always be able or willing to assist a
student to the degree which is necessary (I.E. reading
papers, recording books etc.). If there is zero family
support, the chance of success is exponentially decreases,
for both sited folks and blind.
2) A student must have professor(s) trust. I also have had
occasions where professors have given me the exam to take
home or to do away from my disability center. In my case, it
was either because the professor did not want to deal with
the Disability services office or they did not trust the
disability services office (professors are interesting
creatures). In either case, if a professor gives you the
exam like this, they have to trust that you will not cheat
in some way shape or form. Many students, if they do not
advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their
instructors.
3) Technology rocks, that is, if you manage to get your hands
on technology which can help you succeed, then you may not
need a disability center; however, most students don�t have
the technology, which you stated, so most need the DSS in
order to succeed in this case.
Of course, there are other ways for individuals to do things
without the disability services getting involved; for instance, I
always request my books from bookshare, so I don�t have to worry
about the disability center not getting them to me on time. I
think though, the key fact is that the disability center provides
students with a safety blanket. You don�t have to advocate as
much nor do you have to stress as much. If you go through a
disability services center, then nine times out of ten they
assist you in shouldering your burden. This, for a lot of people,
can and probably does, act as relief.
I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
Respectfully,
Michael

________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gerardo
Corripio via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and
others

  HI guys
It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes
crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't
Braille
out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you
think I
managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or
known?
By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance
at
first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my
parents read
me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out,
turning
them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the
semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the
classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or
other
activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on
the
college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the
teacher
in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers,
printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took
the test
in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did
computer
maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or
so, my
parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members,
recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take
notes
on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought
while in
the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was
lucky
because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000
and a
scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my
assignments on
there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000
for
taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've
contacted other college students, and they only dream of having
these
technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone
to a
private college, and not a public university? So there you have
it;
perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family
mostly, and
teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my
abilities and
made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are
these
experiences worthwhile?

--
Enviado desde mi lap
Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psic?ogo, Terap?ta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas M?ico
RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicolog?/Superaci? Personal
S?ados 10PM M?ico http://radiogeneral.com �los esperamos!


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 16 03:35:54 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:35:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
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Joshua,

I agree. While I never had issues ordering recorded texts,
since my TVI taught me that, I did rely on dss for accessible handouts at 
the beginning.
As I got more comfortable with technology and scanners, I relied less on 
them for that.

I think DSS should be used in moderation as lilly said.
I also feel its in the amount of inaccessible things. For instance, I think 
a blind student can and should scan small handouts themselves if they are 
not accessible already via the professor's emailing them.
But if its major readings like 20 plus pages, I think it may be reasonable 
for dss to do it. I say this because its time consuming to scan and scan and 
if you let dss do it, they can edit for you.
So, its all an individual thing.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:14 PM
To: Lillie Pennington ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others

Lily. I agree with you.  When I was first in college, I really didn't
know all that much, about getting textbooks and the best way to get
handouts.  At first, I visited my DSS office quite frequently to get
handouts, or textbooks on mp3 cd.  But as the years went on, I learned
how to use the computer better, and how to get some books from
learning ally which meant I didn't have to use the DSS office as
often.  I always felt that my DSS office did a very nice job helping
me in my early college years.  I'm very greatful my college had a
tutoring center where I could go to get tutoring in classes especially
math.  Math is the reason why it took me so long to get my associates
degree.  Geometry was not fun.  It took me four hours to complete the
geometry final.  Good luck all in your persuing of your high school,
or college careers.  I wish more blind people would go to college.  I
know a couple people who don't go to college.

On 12/15/14, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I personally would not trust myself to honestly to do a take-home exam.
> Also, as has been pointed out previously, family support is not as
> accessible in some cases, for example, where there is a complete lack of
> support, or if a student lives farther away from home, like I am planning.
> While I agree that disability services should not hold her hands for us 
> and
> do everything, I do not think that they should be completely dismissed. I
> think, if used in moderation, and effectively, the DSS office can be a
> valuable tool for success.
> Granted, I do not have experience with disability services offices 
> directly
> because I am a junior in high school still. However, from stories I have
> heard on here, and other stories I have heard through friends, I have 
> formed
> my own opinion.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> As someone who is going to become a college professor, I would never 
>> allow
>> a student to take a test unproctored.  I've had professors offer to let 
>> me
>> do that, and once or twice I have just out of convenience, but I have too
>> many blind friends who use their blindness as an excuse to take tests on
>> their notetakers or worse yet at home so they can cheat by looking at the
>> book and their notes.  The level of cheating that goes on in DSS offices
>> is horrifying (I know, I've worked there) without even getting into 
>> giving
>> blind people the chance to take in class exams as takehomes.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com>, "National Association of
>> BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:28:37 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>>
>> Hello Gerardo:
>>    First, I’d like to say that your experience is admirable and 
>> definitely
>> worthwhile and one that ought to be heard; after all, as you pointed out,
>> a large majority of blind individuals belief or seem to believe: if there
>> is no disability service, then failure is inevitable.
>>    With that said, however, I must point out a few things which are
>> necessary, in order for something like your story to work successfully.
>> 1)    A student must have family support. In some cases, especially when
>> an individual is not an only child, family members may not always be able
>> or willing to assist a student to the degree which is necessary (I.E.
>> reading papers, recording books etc.). If there is zero family support,
>> the chance of success is exponentially decreases, for both sited folks 
>> and
>> blind.
>> 2)    A student must have professor(s) trust. I also have had occasions
>> where professors have given me the exam to take home or to do away from 
>> my
>> disability center. In my case, it was either because the professor did 
>> not
>> want to deal with the Disability services office or they did not trust 
>> the
>> disability services office (professors are interesting creatures). In
>> either case, if a professor gives you the exam like this, they have to
>> trust that you will not cheat in some way shape or form. Many students, 
>> if
>> they do not advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their
>> instructors.
>> 3)    Technology rocks, that is, if you manage to get your hands on
>> technology which can help you succeed, then you may not need a disability
>> center; however, most students don’t have the technology, which you
>> stated, so most need the DSS in order to succeed in this case.
>> Of course, there are other ways for individuals to do things without the
>> disability services getting involved; for instance, I always request my
>> books from bookshare, so I don’t have to worry about the disability 
>> center
>> not getting them to me on time. I think though, the key fact is that the
>> disability center provides students with a safety blanket. You don’t have
>> to advocate as much nor do you have to stress as much. If you go through 
>> a
>> disability services center, then nine times out of ten they assist you in
>> shouldering your burden. This, for a lot of people, can and probably 
>> does,
>> act as relief.
>>    I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gerardo Corripio 
>> via
>> nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>>
>> HI guys
>> It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes
>> crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille
>> out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I
>> managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known?
>> By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at
>> first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read
>> me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning
>> them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the
>> semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the
>> classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or other
>> activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on the
>> college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the teacher
>> in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers,
>> printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took the test
>> in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did computer
>> maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
>> Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my
>> parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members,
>> recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes
>> on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in
>> the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky
>> because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a
>> scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on
>> there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for
>> taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've
>> contacted other college students, and they only dream of having these
>> technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone to a
>> private college, and not a public university? So there you have it;
>> perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, and
>> teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and
>> made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these
>> experiences worthwhile?
>>
>> --
>> Enviado desde mi lap
>> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
>> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
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>> México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>>
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From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 04:07:00 2014
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:07:00 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Battery on the Braille note apex
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It really depends on what you're doing with it. Wifi takes a lot of juice, and if you're streaming or downloading it'll drain even faster. Using Bluetooth will do the same to a lesser degree.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 18:09, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> Does anyone find that the battery on the apex drains quickly?
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 16 04:11:49 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 23:11:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Training Center Story from BLIND, Inc.
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Hello All,

Below this message you will find a story published in the June 2003 Braille Monitor about attending BLIND, Inc. I like this story because it talks about coming to terms with blindness as the result of being introduced to the NFB and attending an NFB training center. I found myself being able to relate to this story as someone who was not blind from birth and became blind later on in life. I hope you enjoy reading it.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

---------

The Braille Monitor
June, 2003 

My Long Journey from Partially Sighted to Really Blind
by Michele Gittens

>From the Editor: Michele Gittens is currently a student at BLIND, Inc. (Blindness: Learning in New Dimensions). She is also a member of the Metro Chapter of the NFB of Minnesota. She tells a painful personal story with a happy ending. It may inspire others to take charge of their lives. This is what she says:

I am grateful to be able to share with you my journey from the NFB national convention to Blindness: Learning in New Dimensions (BLIND)‑‑which is essentially my version of "partially sighted, really blind."

Let me first give you a brief overview of my relationship to blindness in the past few years. The cause of my blindness is unknown. I just remember that one morning, when I was in the third grade, I could see the board clearly, but when I came back from recess later that day, I couldn't see it anymore. My parents took me from our home in New York to many doctors in various countries; we traveled all over the place.

Finally somebody referred us to the local chapter of the National Federation of the Blind. I remember my parents putting me on a train and schlepping me all the way down to Manhattan. We went into a room and sat around a rectangular table, and I was very upset because I was with all these old people (I was about twelve, and they must have been in their twenties, but to me that was very old). I didn't say a word; I just sat there very still.

Afterward I made it clear to my parents that I didn't want to have anything to do with these people. My father, being the wise man he is (I didn't think so at the time), said, "How do you expect to live as a blind person if you don't know any other blind people?"

I said, "Dad, these people are blind. I am legally blind. We are in two different worlds; they do not understand where I come from." From then on the only relationship I had with the NFB was that every year I would get two flyers‑‑one about the New York state convention and the other about the national. The little NFB logo was in dark print, so I could always see it, and as soon as I saw it, I would just tear it up and throw it in the trash before my parents saw it. I didn't want to hear anything about the NFB.

I went through school, and as a teenager I no longer saw myself as legally blind; I became visually limited. I loved being visually limited because I never did understand the legal thing. High school was great; it was like going to school with your mom: I had readers, notetakers, and advocates. I didn't have to deal with any of the blindness issues that came up; they just magically disappeared.

Then I went to college, where I got a dose of reality. Suddenly on the first day I was expected to manage my own readers, schedule my exams, and talk to my professors. Sometimes I went to professors who said, "Michele, how can we help you?"

I would get frustrated and angry, thinking, "Shouldn't you be telling me what to do? Haven't you had visually impaired students before?" (In college I was visually impaired.) I was so frustrated and stressed out that in my junior year,� I left college and never returned. It really disappointed my parents, but nobody could tell me anything; I wasn't going back.

I did have the sense to know I needed some training, so I enrolled at a service-delivery agency in New York. I was there for about four years, and I went through all the programs they offered (I'm a very thorough person). There I learned that I am now visually disabled. In one program in which I took part twenty people were enrolled, and only one used a white cane. We were taught to "maximize our residual vision." We had computer class, and we used ZoomText, the screen-enlargement program--never JAWS or any other speech-access program. I also had travel class and was given a white cane, but I wasn't encouraged to use it outside of class, and the class was certainly not a requirement. I remember being on the corner of Broadway and 42nd Street and saying to my instructor, "How do I know if this is the right corner?"

He said, "Use your common sense!" (That's how people in New York talk). "Look up at the pole, and you see there's a street sign. Broadway is a longer word, so it is a long white strip, whereas 42nd is two numbers, so it's a short strip. So that's how you know."

I thought to myself, "But where's the sign?" I graduated from that program with honors and decided to move on. It was time to work, so I auditioned and got a job in London as a background singer. When I moved there, my mother made me take my white cane (that was my parents being wise again).

As soon as I arrived in London, I made a discovery: I might really be blind. I had grown up in New York, so I didn't realize how little I was actually seeing and how much I was relying on my mental picture of everything to get around. When I got to England, everything was totally different. For the first month I would not leave my apartment unless somebody came to get me, and, without exaggeration, I cried every single day.

My parents and family and friends called and pleaded with me to use my cane, but I refused. Somebody from the agency whose program I had attended called and said, "Michele, somebody from New York died because she crossed a street without using a white cane and got hit by a car." Even that wasn't enough for me.

I said, "Well, that's nice; I'll take my chances." In England traffic moves on the left side of the street instead of the right. One of my cousins called me and said, "A lot of people from America go to England and get killed. If you don't use your cane, you might get hit by a car, and we're not kidding."

I'm embarrassed to repeat this, but I said to him, "I'd rather die than use that stick." As soon as those words came out of my mouth, I realized I had hit rock bottom.

I decided I had to do something, so I called the Royal National Institute for the Blind and made an appointment to meet with a counselor. I wanted to hire a travel instructor, but she said that would not be possible because I was a partial. I said, "Partially what?"

She said, "You're partially sighted, like me."

I asked, "What do you do about it?"

She said, "You just get used to it."

Every day I had to go someplace different to work, and I didn't know what to do. I didn't want to die, but I still wasn't going to use that stick. I started coming up with my own alternative techniques‑‑my blind-person-pretending-to-be-sighted tricks. It worked somewhat, but I decided to interview other blind people to find out what they did. That led to reading books and doing a lot of research; suddenly I had to go to every seminar on blindness I heard about.

One day my mom called and said that there was a letter for me from the NFB (of course I hadn't had a chance to tear it up). She said that they were having a convention in Philadelphia, and I decided to go because I hadn't yet figured out a good way to walk down a flight of steps. I was once doing a show in which, to get off the stage, I had to come downstairs from the stage into the audience. I fell down the stairs, got up, and fell down the stairs again. I was mortified, and I had a thing about stairs from then on. I used to tell people that I would have no problem if there were no stairs in the world‑‑the problem was not my eyes; it was the stairs. So I flew to this convention to learn about going downstairs.

I got to the hotel with a friend, and we noticed all these people with white poles. I thought to myself, is this a try‑out for the summer Olympics? Then we went to registration, and I saw that everybody had them. I realized that of course they were canes, but I had never seen them used like this before. I got excited because I saw people walking by themselves without guides. I was beside myself. I talked to everybody (well, almost everybody, since there were three thousand people). I called my mom and said, "Mom, do you know blind people have jobs?" Almost every blind person I had met until then was on SSI (Supplemental Security Income). I said, "Mom, do you know they have houses and families?" I had assumed that I would never have a family.

My father got on the phone and said, "I told you: how do you expect to live as a blind person if you don't know any?" At the convention there was a presentation about cane travel, and I talked to Joe Cutter from New Jersey and told him my sob story about stairs. I didn't have a cane with me, so when I finished my tale, he said, "I have a present for you." He offered me a cane; it was beautiful. I was now happy because I had a pole like everyone else.

Joe Cutter introduced me to Ron Burzese. Ron listened to my story, and he was both gracious and patient. We went to a staircase, and he told me to close my eyes; I'm from New York, so I was suspicious and made sure my friend was watching, but I did it. He showed me how to use the cane going down the stairs, and it was the safest feeling. When I got to the bottom of the stairs, Ron said in his deep, Barry White voice, "You have a decision to make. You can either live the rest of your life as a clumsy sighted person, or you can become a respectable blind person." Those words hit me. Many people had pleaded with me, but when he said that, it was as if he knew me. Now I thank him every day, about twice a day.

After the convention I went back to London to finish up my jobs. Then I came back home. Three days later was 9-11 (September 11, 2001), and I thought to myself, I am never getting on a plane again! So much for my dreams of going anywhere. A few weeks later there was a big deal in the news about how Mike Hingson got out of the World Trade Center, and I said to my parents, "How much you wanna bet he's from the NFB? Anyone who went to the training center I did would never have gotten out!" A while later I received the Braille Monitor with the article about him, and I went crazy. I thought, "This is another sign."

I know many people in those towers did not have the opportunity to get out, but even if I had been there and had had the chance, I probably wouldn't have taken it, because my fear of coming down a flight of stairs was so deep I would have sat there and perished. I realized then that getting good training wasn't just about becoming respectable; it could be a life and death matter.

All my life I have said that there were two places I wanted to live: London and Minneapolis. I grew up watching Mary Tyler Moore, and I wanted an M like the one she had in her apartment. I did check out the other NFB training centers, but I already knew I was coming to Minneapolis. It was very challenging to get New York to pay for me to come to BLIND, Inc., but that story is for another time. I kept knocking on the agency's door because I knew that eventually they would give me what I wanted just to shut me up, and they did. My thanks go to Shawn Mayo and a lot of other people.

I have been at BLIND, Inc., only since September 16, 2002, and I have already seen a huge change within myself. I knew I needed confidence but could never figure out why I couldn't get it. I realize now that the key is the training. I'm walking around and not banging into things. As a singer I travel a lot, and I used to get someplace, cry for a week, and then get going. I have not cried yet in Minneapolis, and I am thrilled.

In closing, I'd like to thank the Federation on behalf of myself and my fellow BLIND, Inc., students. Thank you not only for challenging us to embrace our blindness (or aspects of our blindness) but for providing us the opportunity, the wisdom, the mentoring, and the tools that enable people like me to stand now as a respectable, independent, sky's‑the‑limit blind person.


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 04:42:58 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 23:42:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
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Hi Phil and all,

First, a note to Michael; you mentioned that you cannot easily judge
whether or not professors in PH.D programs will accept you by using
email alone, and visiting with them in person is out of the question.
Have you considered calling them on the phone or Skype?  Meetings like
that would bridge the distance and voice gaps quite nicely, I think;
you could even video conference if you wanted to use Skype.  Hope that
suggestion helps.

I also knew really early on what I wanted to do for college, and where
I wanted to go.  It helped that my major is only offered at a
relatively small handful of colleges in the country (just 72 to be
exact), and at the time 3 were in my home state.  I did look into
other schools in Indiana and Kentucky as well, and prepped for a
second audition at Eastern Michigan University, but I didn't end up
going to it.

I first visited UD where I'm a junior now after my sophomore year of
high school.  One thing that impressed me immediately was how friendly
the students were.  My mom and I got lost in some construction, and a
student volunteered to walk us to the building we needed to find.
People held doors for us, told me I should come to UD when they
noticed I was a bit younger, and did other nice things.  In that
visit, I had a meeting with the DS office and took a campus tour.  My
DS counselor, who is actually my main contact now, was very good about
explaining everything to me and my mom.  The campus seemed perfect.  I
told my mom in the parking lot that I wanted to go here, and although
she did urge me to see other campuses before I made my decision and I
did do that, UD ended up being the right fit after all.  Another thing
that really impressed me was that they got all my materials that I
would need for my music department audition in accessible formats, and
were willing to make modifications on the spot.  My sight reading
excerpt was in braille music notation, I was allowed to have a scribe
for the aural skills test, and although I did bring my own laptop
because the university's copy of Goodfeel was not purchased until I
was accepted and passed my audition, I had a scribe to copy down what
I wrote on the computer into the test form for the theory test as
well.  The only problem came when they didn't realize I would be at a
disadvantage in sightreading, because they handed me a 2 page piece of
braille music and didn't realize that I would not be able to memorize
it in 15 minutes.  They gave me extra scales and asked me to pull some
songs out of thin air instead.  I was very impressed after the
audition as well, when the DS office and the music department
purchased additional equipment they would need to produce materials
in-house.

My college experience has not been perfect; I had a terrible year last
year with some academic accommodations gone awry, some issues with a
roommate and a fellow who didn't want to handle the situation, and one
of my best friends transferring to another school halfway through the
year.  However, the bulk of my college experience has been great, and
even when things were rough, I felt like I fit here.  Especially after
this semester which has redeemed some of the bad from last year, I
wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

I think there is a fairly logical sequence to figuring out the right
fit: 1, figure out your major if at all possible.  2, research what
colleges have it, and take distance from home into consideration if
you wish to stay somewhat close.  3, visit the campus and meet with
DS, professors in your department, and sit in on a class or two if you
can.  4, Narrow down your applications and pick the school you like
best.

I wouldn't recommend doing what I did; I only applied to UD because it
was the only school I loved, and the other two schools were on rolling
admission.  I only prepped for the second school's audition just in
case I didn't make it in to UD.  Although I love where I am, I wish I
had looked at more places so I would have been able to make more
useful observations.  Also, meet in person if at all possible, and by
phone or Skype if not.  Emails ore fine, but phone calls are better.

I hope these things help.  Sorry if I'm a little unorganized in this
email; it's finals week and I'm writing this pretty quickly.



On 12/15/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Michael and all,
> One nice thing about being in a Ph.D. program is that you will
> probably have all your activities in just one or two buildings, so you
> won't need to learn the entire campus. I was at University of Colorado
> for six years and only used one building for all my classes and
> research, plus two for teaching assignments. As for Braille signage, I
> am unaware of a place where classrooms are consistently labeled. I
> wouldn't let a large or sprawled-out campus intimidate you from
> attending school there, especially since you will only be using a
> small part of that campus.
> I've never considered any disability-related factors when choosing a
> school, instead focusing on the quality of the academic programs. I
> honestly don't think there's much difference between schools as far as
> accessibility goes. When choosing a Ph.D. program the single most
> important factor is choosing a mentor who is very interested in
> working with you and who you want to be spending a lot of time with. A
> good fit between Ph.D. student and mentor is genrally more important
> than te school itself.
> Arielle
>
> On 12/15/14, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Phil:
>> 	I would certainly assert that claim; however, it is important to keep in
>> mind that my claim is a hasty generalization. I may be completely wrong,
>> as
>> it pertains to other visually impaired learners. I truly believe that I
>> have
>> it right though, because if we do not have access to the school, how can
>> we
>> make judgments regarding it? Of course, over a period of time (as long as
>> you're curious), a student will adapt to any situation.
>> 	In regards to whether contacting others with disabilities would be
>> useful,
>> I'll boldly state yes and no. The reason yes, is because by doing so, you
>> can determine the ablest tendencies of the professor, that is, and how he
>> or
>> she views people with disabilities. The reason I would argue no, is
>> because
>> unless the individual you are contacting is blind and or has a similar
>> mentality as yourself, the results may be varied. I've found that several
>> of
>> my fellow students here at the University of Nevada, have far different
>> opinions of professors than I do. I so far, have loved every one of my
>> professors; however, several have had a bad rap sheet in the past, as it
>> pertains to disabilities or students in general. It's the luck of the
>> draw,
>> in some cases.
>> Best regards,
>> Michael
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Phil [philso1003 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:02 PM
>> To: Michael D Ausbun
>> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>> Would you say it's fair to say that for us blind and visually impaired
>> students, choosing a school nearby we can gather the informatoin we
>> need. It's when the schools we are considering are farther away,
>> that's harder to use deduction skills as you put it.
>> For your situation now, do you think it would be helpful if you could
>> get in touch with students with disabilities from the schools that you
>> are considering for your Ph.D. and ask for their opinions?
>> Regards,
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/15/14, Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu> wrote:
>>> Hello Phil:
>>>       I was fortunate, in that I was able to take college courses at my
>>> University when I was still in high school; because of this, I was able
>>> to
>>> grasp the necessary information, in order to determine that this is the
>>> right University for me. By necessary information, I mean the inner
>>> workings
>>> of the Disability center, the mindset of a majority of professors on
>>> campus
>>> (I spoke to as many as I could find, just because I was interested), the
>>> layout of the campus and the difficulties in terrain/inaccessibility of
>>> the
>>> campus ahead of time, which allowed me to adapt.
>>>       I am finding though, as I look for Ph.D. programs which will fit my
>>> specific needs, I am at a slight disadvantage. Many of the schools which
>>> I
>>> am looking at are no ware near where I currently live, making my previous
>>> deduction skills useless. Moreover, I could email professors, but it
>>> isn't
>>> the same as talking to them. I can't interpret their voices, the
>>> positioning
>>> of their body in relation to mine, etc. which would help me make the
>>> choice
>>> of whether they accept me or not, etc.
>>>       Furthermore, when I have traveled to other Universities for Speech
>>> and
>>> Debate, I have encountered some difficulties in terrain. This made me
>>> realize, the layout of the campus is a key component to how I may
>>> consider
>>> going there. I know for sure, I will not ever choose to go to the
>>> University
>>> of the Pacific in Stockton, for example, because buildings are separated
>>> by
>>> great distance and stairs are labeled; moreover, almost no room has
>>> braille
>>> signage.
>>>       Stuff like that would impact my decision, I think.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Phil via nabs-l
>>> [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:47 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>> Hope everyone is enjoying your holiday season!
>>> I wanted to ask members in this list who are college students, alumni,
>>> or current high school students looking into college.
>>> When you do college search, do you feel you have enough information
>>> especially as a blind or visually impaired student, to make the right
>>> choice about which college you should attend?
>>> What frustrates you most about the college search process?
>>> What kind of information do you wish you had that would help you make
>>> the right choice?
>>> And for college students and alumni, do you feel you chos the right
>>> college and if not, what do you now know about this college that you
>>> wish you had known about when you were doing your search?
>>> Please feel free to tell as much as you feel like it. I really want to
>>> learn about your college search experience.
>>> Thank you so much for sharing. This can really help everyone.
>>> Best,
>>> Phil
>>>
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From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 04:46:04 2014
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:46:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
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Ashley.  I know about the acomidation sheets you mentioned.  I gave
them to my instructors in college all the time.  But, I had to get
them from my DSS office like you also mentioned.  As I progressed
through college, I became better at asking teachers for the help I
needed.  In the beginning some of the teachers would ask me how they
could best help me, but later on, I'd aproach a teacher either before,
or after class, and speak to them, if I had a problem or a question.
No blind person should be afraid to ask for the help they need.  I
remember one of my teachers for a history class substituted me calling
her on the phone and talking to her instead of a face to face office
visit which was one of the requirements for her class.  Overall I'd
say my instructors were very acomidating and gave me the help I need.
The one teacher who didn't want me in his science class, I was able to
take an alternative online class which worked out very well for me.
These discussions are always very interesting.

On 12/15/14, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
>
> I agree. While I never had issues ordering recorded texts,
> since my TVI taught me that, I did rely on dss for accessible handouts at
> the beginning.
> As I got more comfortable with technology and scanners, I relied less on
> them for that.
>
> I think DSS should be used in moderation as lilly said.
> I also feel its in the amount of inaccessible things. For instance, I think
>
> a blind student can and should scan small handouts themselves if they are
> not accessible already via the professor's emailing them.
> But if its major readings like 20 plus pages, I think it may be reasonable
> for dss to do it. I say this because its time consuming to scan and scan and
>
> if you let dss do it, they can edit for you.
> So, its all an individual thing.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:14 PM
> To: Lillie Pennington ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>
> Lily. I agree with you.  When I was first in college, I really didn't
> know all that much, about getting textbooks and the best way to get
> handouts.  At first, I visited my DSS office quite frequently to get
> handouts, or textbooks on mp3 cd.  But as the years went on, I learned
> how to use the computer better, and how to get some books from
> learning ally which meant I didn't have to use the DSS office as
> often.  I always felt that my DSS office did a very nice job helping
> me in my early college years.  I'm very greatful my college had a
> tutoring center where I could go to get tutoring in classes especially
> math.  Math is the reason why it took me so long to get my associates
> degree.  Geometry was not fun.  It took me four hours to complete the
> geometry final.  Good luck all in your persuing of your high school,
> or college careers.  I wish more blind people would go to college.  I
> know a couple people who don't go to college.
>
> On 12/15/14, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I personally would not trust myself to honestly to do a take-home exam.
>> Also, as has been pointed out previously, family support is not as
>> accessible in some cases, for example, where there is a complete lack of
>> support, or if a student lives farther away from home, like I am
>> planning.
>> While I agree that disability services should not hold her hands for us
>> and
>> do everything, I do not think that they should be completely dismissed. I
>> think, if used in moderation, and effectively, the DSS office can be a
>> valuable tool for success.
>> Granted, I do not have experience with disability services offices
>> directly
>> because I am a junior in high school still. However, from stories I have
>> heard on here, and other stories I have heard through friends, I have
>> formed
>> my own opinion.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> As someone who is going to become a college professor, I would never
>>> allow
>>> a student to take a test unproctored.  I've had professors offer to let
>>> me
>>> do that, and once or twice I have just out of convenience, but I have
>>> too
>>> many blind friends who use their blindness as an excuse to take tests on
>>> their notetakers or worse yet at home so they can cheat by looking at
>>> the
>>> book and their notes.  The level of cheating that goes on in DSS offices
>>> is horrifying (I know, I've worked there) without even getting into
>>> giving
>>> blind people the chance to take in class exams as takehomes.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com>, "National Association of
>>> BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:28:37 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and
>>> others
>>>
>>> Hello Gerardo:
>>>    First, I’d like to say that your experience is admirable and
>>> definitely
>>> worthwhile and one that ought to be heard; after all, as you pointed
>>> out,
>>> a large majority of blind individuals belief or seem to believe: if
>>> there
>>> is no disability service, then failure is inevitable.
>>>    With that said, however, I must point out a few things which are
>>> necessary, in order for something like your story to work successfully.
>>> 1)    A student must have family support. In some cases, especially when
>>> an individual is not an only child, family members may not always be
>>> able
>>> or willing to assist a student to the degree which is necessary (I.E.
>>> reading papers, recording books etc.). If there is zero family support,
>>> the chance of success is exponentially decreases, for both sited folks
>>> and
>>> blind.
>>> 2)    A student must have professor(s) trust. I also have had occasions
>>> where professors have given me the exam to take home or to do away from
>>> my
>>> disability center. In my case, it was either because the professor did
>>> not
>>> want to deal with the Disability services office or they did not trust
>>> the
>>> disability services office (professors are interesting creatures). In
>>> either case, if a professor gives you the exam like this, they have to
>>> trust that you will not cheat in some way shape or form. Many students,
>>> if
>>> they do not advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their
>>> instructors.
>>> 3)    Technology rocks, that is, if you manage to get your hands on
>>> technology which can help you succeed, then you may not need a
>>> disability
>>> center; however, most students don’t have the technology, which you
>>> stated, so most need the DSS in order to succeed in this case.
>>> Of course, there are other ways for individuals to do things without the
>>> disability services getting involved; for instance, I always request my
>>> books from bookshare, so I don’t have to worry about the disability
>>> center
>>> not getting them to me on time. I think though, the key fact is that the
>>> disability center provides students with a safety blanket. You don’t
>>> have
>>> to advocate as much nor do you have to stress as much. If you go through
>>>
>>> a
>>> disability services center, then nine times out of ten they assist you
>>> in
>>> shouldering your burden. This, for a lot of people, can and probably
>>> does,
>>> act as relief.
>>>    I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gerardo Corripio
>>> via
>>> nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>>>
>>> HI guys
>>> It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes
>>> crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille
>>> out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I
>>> managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known?
>>> By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at
>>> first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read
>>> me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning
>>> them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the
>>> semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the
>>> classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or other
>>> activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on the
>>> college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the teacher
>>> in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers,
>>> printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took the test
>>> in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did computer
>>> maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
>>> Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my
>>> parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members,
>>> recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes
>>> on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in
>>> the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky
>>> because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a
>>> scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on
>>> there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for
>>> taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've
>>> contacted other college students, and they only dream of having these
>>> technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone to a
>>> private college, and not a public university? So there you have it;
>>> perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, and
>>> teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and
>>> made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these
>>> experiences worthwhile?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Enviado desde mi lap
>>> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
>>> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
>>> RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM
>>> México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>>>
>>>
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Tue Dec 16 04:50:06 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 04:50:06 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
In-Reply-To: <E2B06B2A6756451198DBD717437FF038@OwnerPC>
References: <548f8ed6.c5aa320a.1889.13f2@mx.google.com><9083A95C-2B0E-4D4B-A845-6C2656A2DB1C@fuse.net>
	<CADUoy9vDNPuXNDVqORHZcVof89MnnSCpzoDFM-SUJpW_0iPaAQ@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E2B06B2A6756451198DBD717437FF038@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B843CA1@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Hello all:
	I’m certainly on the same page with Karl and Lillie, regarding this topic. I can’t say I find it too astonishing that some blind individuals take advantage of their disability in such a way, because I witnessed sighted kids do it my senior year of High school in AP courses; however, I don’t think this is a justification for it. 
	I took to heart something my high school English teacher said, when he caught 93% of our class cheating on an etymology exam: “Cheating in high school is not hard; trust me, we notice as well. In college, it is probably even easier…but, in all honesty, who are you benefiting? You might get away with it or you might not; however, in the end, all you are doing is cheating yourself. At the end of the day, you will look back on your work and realize, ‘I didn’t earn that; or; I don’t know that information; seriously guys, don’t cheet it is dumb and only hurts yourself.”
	I didn’t need that talk to recognize the ridicules nature of cheating, but it was a message which I took to heart.
Like Karl, when I become a Prof. I will not allow unproctered exams, because the chance of cheeting occurring is just too high, due to it being so easy.
	In regards to moderation, I entirely agree, and won’t waste your guys’ time by simply summarizing what everyone else has already said.
Best,
Michael


________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 7:35 PM
To: louvins at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others

Joshua,

I agree. While I never had issues ordering recorded texts,
since my TVI taught me that, I did rely on dss for accessible handouts at
the beginning.
As I got more comfortable with technology and scanners, I relied less on
them for that.

I think DSS should be used in moderation as lilly said.
I also feel its in the amount of inaccessible things. For instance, I think
a blind student can and should scan small handouts themselves if they are
not accessible already via the professor's emailing them.
But if its major readings like 20 plus pages, I think it may be reasonable
for dss to do it. I say this because its time consuming to scan and scan and
if you let dss do it, they can edit for you.
So, its all an individual thing.

Ashley
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:14 PM
To: Lillie Pennington ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others

Lily. I agree with you.  When I was first in college, I really didn't
know all that much, about getting textbooks and the best way to get
handouts.  At first, I visited my DSS office quite frequently to get
handouts, or textbooks on mp3 cd.  But as the years went on, I learned
how to use the computer better, and how to get some books from
learning ally which meant I didn't have to use the DSS office as
often.  I always felt that my DSS office did a very nice job helping
me in my early college years.  I'm very greatful my college had a
tutoring center where I could go to get tutoring in classes especially
math.  Math is the reason why it took me so long to get my associates
degree.  Geometry was not fun.  It took me four hours to complete the
geometry final.  Good luck all in your persuing of your high school,
or college careers.  I wish more blind people would go to college.  I
know a couple people who don't go to college.

On 12/15/14, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I personally would not trust myself to honestly to do a take-home exam.
> Also, as has been pointed out previously, family support is not as
> accessible in some cases, for example, where there is a complete lack of
> support, or if a student lives farther away from home, like I am planning.
> While I agree that disability services should not hold her hands for us
> and
> do everything, I do not think that they should be completely dismissed. I
> think, if used in moderation, and effectively, the DSS office can be a
> valuable tool for success.
> Granted, I do not have experience with disability services offices
> directly
> because I am a junior in high school still. However, from stories I have
> heard on here, and other stories I have heard through friends, I have
> formed
> my own opinion.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> As someone who is going to become a college professor, I would never
>> allow
>> a student to take a test unproctored.  I've had professors offer to let
>> me
>> do that, and once or twice I have just out of convenience, but I have too
>> many blind friends who use their blindness as an excuse to take tests on
>> their notetakers or worse yet at home so they can cheat by looking at the
>> book and their notes.  The level of cheating that goes on in DSS offices
>> is horrifying (I know, I've worked there) without even getting into
>> giving
>> blind people the chance to take in class exams as takehomes.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com>, "National Association of
>> BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:28:37 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>>
>> Hello Gerardo:
>>    First, I’d like to say that your experience is admirable and
>> definitely
>> worthwhile and one that ought to be heard; after all, as you pointed out,
>> a large majority of blind individuals belief or seem to believe: if there
>> is no disability service, then failure is inevitable.
>>    With that said, however, I must point out a few things which are
>> necessary, in order for something like your story to work successfully.
>> 1)    A student must have family support. In some cases, especially when
>> an individual is not an only child, family members may not always be able
>> or willing to assist a student to the degree which is necessary (I.E.
>> reading papers, recording books etc.). If there is zero family support,
>> the chance of success is exponentially decreases, for both sited folks
>> and
>> blind.
>> 2)    A student must have professor(s) trust. I also have had occasions
>> where professors have given me the exam to take home or to do away from
>> my
>> disability center. In my case, it was either because the professor did
>> not
>> want to deal with the Disability services office or they did not trust
>> the
>> disability services office (professors are interesting creatures). In
>> either case, if a professor gives you the exam like this, they have to
>> trust that you will not cheat in some way shape or form. Many students,
>> if
>> they do not advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their
>> instructors.
>> 3)    Technology rocks, that is, if you manage to get your hands on
>> technology which can help you succeed, then you may not need a disability
>> center; however, most students don’t have the technology, which you
>> stated, so most need the DSS in order to succeed in this case.
>> Of course, there are other ways for individuals to do things without the
>> disability services getting involved; for instance, I always request my
>> books from bookshare, so I don’t have to worry about the disability
>> center
>> not getting them to me on time. I think though, the key fact is that the
>> disability center provides students with a safety blanket. You don’t have
>> to advocate as much nor do you have to stress as much. If you go through
>> a
>> disability services center, then nine times out of ten they assist you in
>> shouldering your burden. This, for a lot of people, can and probably
>> does,
>> act as relief.
>>    I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gerardo Corripio
>> via
>> nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>>
>> HI guys
>> It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes
>> crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille
>> out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I
>> managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known?
>> By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at
>> first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read
>> me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning
>> them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the
>> semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the
>> classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or other
>> activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on the
>> college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the teacher
>> in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers,
>> printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took the test
>> in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did computer
>> maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
>> Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my
>> parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members,
>> recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes
>> on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in
>> the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky
>> because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a
>> scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on
>> there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for
>> taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've
>> contacted other college students, and they only dream of having these
>> technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone to a
>> private college, and not a public university? So there you have it;
>> perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, and
>> teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and
>> made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these
>> experiences worthwhile?
>>
>> --
>> Enviado desde mi lap
>> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
>> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
>> RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM
>> México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Tue Dec 16 05:12:25 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 05:12:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
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Kaiti and Arielle,
	Thank you for your advice and suggestions. All of them have been duely noted, and I likely will act upon them, because they are extremely useful suggestions. At the current moment, I am looking at:
1)	Oxford
2)	Michigan An Arber
3)	Stanford
4)	NYU
5)	Princeton
I haven’t done much research into the accessability, because I figured in the end it wouldn’t dissuade me from going there if I get in; however, I was conserned about the professor/mentor relationships, because those Universities are rather far away. Over the previous summer, when I was attempting to figure out how Symbolic Logic might be taught to the blind, I had email corispondence with tones of professors, 2-3 from each of the schools I listed (my favorite contact was with a Philosopher by the name of Saul Kripke…but I’ll not digress into a fanboy moment here). 
	Just a little side note, if anyone is interested, there is a blind professor of Logic at aucklend university, by the name of Jonothon mckien-Green. He is absolutely wonderful, both as an insteructer, friend and person.
Anyways, sorry…finals make me tired and rambley; thank you for the wonderful suggestions!
Respectfully,
Michael


________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 8:42 PM
To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search

Hi Phil and all,

First, a note to Michael; you mentioned that you cannot easily judge
whether or not professors in PH.D programs will accept you by using
email alone, and visiting with them in person is out of the question.
Have you considered calling them on the phone or Skype?  Meetings like
that would bridge the distance and voice gaps quite nicely, I think;
you could even video conference if you wanted to use Skype.  Hope that
suggestion helps.

I also knew really early on what I wanted to do for college, and where
I wanted to go.  It helped that my major is only offered at a
relatively small handful of colleges in the country (just 72 to be
exact), and at the time 3 were in my home state.  I did look into
other schools in Indiana and Kentucky as well, and prepped for a
second audition at Eastern Michigan University, but I didn't end up
going to it.

I first visited UD where I'm a junior now after my sophomore year of
high school.  One thing that impressed me immediately was how friendly
the students were.  My mom and I got lost in some construction, and a
student volunteered to walk us to the building we needed to find.
People held doors for us, told me I should come to UD when they
noticed I was a bit younger, and did other nice things.  In that
visit, I had a meeting with the DS office and took a campus tour.  My
DS counselor, who is actually my main contact now, was very good about
explaining everything to me and my mom.  The campus seemed perfect.  I
told my mom in the parking lot that I wanted to go here, and although
she did urge me to see other campuses before I made my decision and I
did do that, UD ended up being the right fit after all.  Another thing
that really impressed me was that they got all my materials that I
would need for my music department audition in accessible formats, and
were willing to make modifications on the spot.  My sight reading
excerpt was in braille music notation, I was allowed to have a scribe
for the aural skills test, and although I did bring my own laptop
because the university's copy of Goodfeel was not purchased until I
was accepted and passed my audition, I had a scribe to copy down what
I wrote on the computer into the test form for the theory test as
well.  The only problem came when they didn't realize I would be at a
disadvantage in sightreading, because they handed me a 2 page piece of
braille music and didn't realize that I would not be able to memorize
it in 15 minutes.  They gave me extra scales and asked me to pull some
songs out of thin air instead.  I was very impressed after the
audition as well, when the DS office and the music department
purchased additional equipment they would need to produce materials
in-house.

My college experience has not been perfect; I had a terrible year last
year with some academic accommodations gone awry, some issues with a
roommate and a fellow who didn't want to handle the situation, and one
of my best friends transferring to another school halfway through the
year.  However, the bulk of my college experience has been great, and
even when things were rough, I felt like I fit here.  Especially after
this semester which has redeemed some of the bad from last year, I
wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

I think there is a fairly logical sequence to figuring out the right
fit: 1, figure out your major if at all possible.  2, research what
colleges have it, and take distance from home into consideration if
you wish to stay somewhat close.  3, visit the campus and meet with
DS, professors in your department, and sit in on a class or two if you
can.  4, Narrow down your applications and pick the school you like
best.

I wouldn't recommend doing what I did; I only applied to UD because it
was the only school I loved, and the other two schools were on rolling
admission.  I only prepped for the second school's audition just in
case I didn't make it in to UD.  Although I love where I am, I wish I
had looked at more places so I would have been able to make more
useful observations.  Also, meet in person if at all possible, and by
phone or Skype if not.  Emails ore fine, but phone calls are better.

I hope these things help.  Sorry if I'm a little unorganized in this
email; it's finals week and I'm writing this pretty quickly.



On 12/15/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Michael and all,
> One nice thing about being in a Ph.D. program is that you will
> probably have all your activities in just one or two buildings, so you
> won't need to learn the entire campus. I was at University of Colorado
> for six years and only used one building for all my classes and
> research, plus two for teaching assignments. As for Braille signage, I
> am unaware of a place where classrooms are consistently labeled. I
> wouldn't let a large or sprawled-out campus intimidate you from
> attending school there, especially since you will only be using a
> small part of that campus.
> I've never considered any disability-related factors when choosing a
> school, instead focusing on the quality of the academic programs. I
> honestly don't think there's much difference between schools as far as
> accessibility goes. When choosing a Ph.D. program the single most
> important factor is choosing a mentor who is very interested in
> working with you and who you want to be spending a lot of time with. A
> good fit between Ph.D. student and mentor is genrally more important
> than te school itself.
> Arielle
>
> On 12/15/14, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Phil:
>>      I would certainly assert that claim; however, it is important to keep in
>> mind that my claim is a hasty generalization. I may be completely wrong,
>> as
>> it pertains to other visually impaired learners. I truly believe that I
>> have
>> it right though, because if we do not have access to the school, how can
>> we
>> make judgments regarding it? Of course, over a period of time (as long as
>> you're curious), a student will adapt to any situation.
>>      In regards to whether contacting others with disabilities would be
>> useful,
>> I'll boldly state yes and no. The reason yes, is because by doing so, you
>> can determine the ablest tendencies of the professor, that is, and how he
>> or
>> she views people with disabilities. The reason I would argue no, is
>> because
>> unless the individual you are contacting is blind and or has a similar
>> mentality as yourself, the results may be varied. I've found that several
>> of
>> my fellow students here at the University of Nevada, have far different
>> opinions of professors than I do. I so far, have loved every one of my
>> professors; however, several have had a bad rap sheet in the past, as it
>> pertains to disabilities or students in general. It's the luck of the
>> draw,
>> in some cases.
>> Best regards,
>> Michael
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Phil [philso1003 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:02 PM
>> To: Michael D Ausbun
>> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>> Would you say it's fair to say that for us blind and visually impaired
>> students, choosing a school nearby we can gather the informatoin we
>> need. It's when the schools we are considering are farther away,
>> that's harder to use deduction skills as you put it.
>> For your situation now, do you think it would be helpful if you could
>> get in touch with students with disabilities from the schools that you
>> are considering for your Ph.D. and ask for their opinions?
>> Regards,
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/15/14, Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu> wrote:
>>> Hello Phil:
>>>       I was fortunate, in that I was able to take college courses at my
>>> University when I was still in high school; because of this, I was able
>>> to
>>> grasp the necessary information, in order to determine that this is the
>>> right University for me. By necessary information, I mean the inner
>>> workings
>>> of the Disability center, the mindset of a majority of professors on
>>> campus
>>> (I spoke to as many as I could find, just because I was interested), the
>>> layout of the campus and the difficulties in terrain/inaccessibility of
>>> the
>>> campus ahead of time, which allowed me to adapt.
>>>       I am finding though, as I look for Ph.D. programs which will fit my
>>> specific needs, I am at a slight disadvantage. Many of the schools which
>>> I
>>> am looking at are no ware near where I currently live, making my previous
>>> deduction skills useless. Moreover, I could email professors, but it
>>> isn't
>>> the same as talking to them. I can't interpret their voices, the
>>> positioning
>>> of their body in relation to mine, etc. which would help me make the
>>> choice
>>> of whether they accept me or not, etc.
>>>       Furthermore, when I have traveled to other Universities for Speech
>>> and
>>> Debate, I have encountered some difficulties in terrain. This made me
>>> realize, the layout of the campus is a key component to how I may
>>> consider
>>> going there. I know for sure, I will not ever choose to go to the
>>> University
>>> of the Pacific in Stockton, for example, because buildings are separated
>>> by
>>> great distance and stairs are labeled; moreover, almost no room has
>>> braille
>>> signage.
>>>       Stuff like that would impact my decision, I think.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Phil via nabs-l
>>> [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:47 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>> Hope everyone is enjoying your holiday season!
>>> I wanted to ask members in this list who are college students, alumni,
>>> or current high school students looking into college.
>>> When you do college search, do you feel you have enough information
>>> especially as a blind or visually impaired student, to make the right
>>> choice about which college you should attend?
>>> What frustrates you most about the college search process?
>>> What kind of information do you wish you had that would help you make
>>> the right choice?
>>> And for college students and alumni, do you feel you chos the right
>>> college and if not, what do you now know about this college that you
>>> wish you had known about when you were doing your search?
>>> Please feel free to tell as much as you feel like it. I really want to
>>> learn about your college search experience.
>>> Thank you so much for sharing. This can really help everyone.
>>> Best,
>>> Phil
>>>
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From philso1003 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 06:13:30 2014
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 01:13:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
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Hi Michael,
FYI, one of my best friends just finished his masters at Oxford this
year, albeit he has no disability, if you ever need to get basic info
about terrain, layout, and logistics. He studied philosophy for
undergrad but for grad he did something else.
For the domestic schools there are probably people on this list who
can give you info if you ever need it.
However, I agree with Arielle that for Ph.D. first and foremost it's
department and professor fit. The search process for undergrad college
is very different from grad school.
And if the #1 university in the world accepts you, yeah I doubt
accessibility would be the #1 thing on your mind at that time. smile
Good luck!!
Phil


On 12/16/14, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Kaiti and Arielle,
> 	Thank you for your advice and suggestions. All of them have been duely
> noted, and I likely will act upon them, because they are extremely useful
> suggestions. At the current moment, I am looking at:
> 1)	Oxford
> 2)	Michigan An Arber
> 3)	Stanford
> 4)	NYU
> 5)	Princeton
> I haven’t done much research into the accessability, because I figured in
> the end it wouldn’t dissuade me from going there if I get in; however, I was
> conserned about the professor/mentor relationships, because those
> Universities are rather far away. Over the previous summer, when I was
> attempting to figure out how Symbolic Logic might be taught to the blind, I
> had email corispondence with tones of professors, 2-3 from each of the
> schools I listed (my favorite contact was with a Philosopher by the name of
> Saul Kripke…but I’ll not digress into a fanboy moment here).
> 	Just a little side note, if anyone is interested, there is a blind
> professor of Logic at aucklend university, by the name of Jonothon
> mckien-Green. He is absolutely wonderful, both as an insteructer, friend and
> person.
> Anyways, sorry…finals make me tired and rambley; thank you for the wonderful
> suggestions!
> Respectfully,
> Michael
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kaiti Shelton via
> nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 8:42 PM
> To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>
> Hi Phil and all,
>
> First, a note to Michael; you mentioned that you cannot easily judge
> whether or not professors in PH.D programs will accept you by using
> email alone, and visiting with them in person is out of the question.
> Have you considered calling them on the phone or Skype?  Meetings like
> that would bridge the distance and voice gaps quite nicely, I think;
> you could even video conference if you wanted to use Skype.  Hope that
> suggestion helps.
>
> I also knew really early on what I wanted to do for college, and where
> I wanted to go.  It helped that my major is only offered at a
> relatively small handful of colleges in the country (just 72 to be
> exact), and at the time 3 were in my home state.  I did look into
> other schools in Indiana and Kentucky as well, and prepped for a
> second audition at Eastern Michigan University, but I didn't end up
> going to it.
>
> I first visited UD where I'm a junior now after my sophomore year of
> high school.  One thing that impressed me immediately was how friendly
> the students were.  My mom and I got lost in some construction, and a
> student volunteered to walk us to the building we needed to find.
> People held doors for us, told me I should come to UD when they
> noticed I was a bit younger, and did other nice things.  In that
> visit, I had a meeting with the DS office and took a campus tour.  My
> DS counselor, who is actually my main contact now, was very good about
> explaining everything to me and my mom.  The campus seemed perfect.  I
> told my mom in the parking lot that I wanted to go here, and although
> she did urge me to see other campuses before I made my decision and I
> did do that, UD ended up being the right fit after all.  Another thing
> that really impressed me was that they got all my materials that I
> would need for my music department audition in accessible formats, and
> were willing to make modifications on the spot.  My sight reading
> excerpt was in braille music notation, I was allowed to have a scribe
> for the aural skills test, and although I did bring my own laptop
> because the university's copy of Goodfeel was not purchased until I
> was accepted and passed my audition, I had a scribe to copy down what
> I wrote on the computer into the test form for the theory test as
> well.  The only problem came when they didn't realize I would be at a
> disadvantage in sightreading, because they handed me a 2 page piece of
> braille music and didn't realize that I would not be able to memorize
> it in 15 minutes.  They gave me extra scales and asked me to pull some
> songs out of thin air instead.  I was very impressed after the
> audition as well, when the DS office and the music department
> purchased additional equipment they would need to produce materials
> in-house.
>
> My college experience has not been perfect; I had a terrible year last
> year with some academic accommodations gone awry, some issues with a
> roommate and a fellow who didn't want to handle the situation, and one
> of my best friends transferring to another school halfway through the
> year.  However, the bulk of my college experience has been great, and
> even when things were rough, I felt like I fit here.  Especially after
> this semester which has redeemed some of the bad from last year, I
> wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
>
> I think there is a fairly logical sequence to figuring out the right
> fit: 1, figure out your major if at all possible.  2, research what
> colleges have it, and take distance from home into consideration if
> you wish to stay somewhat close.  3, visit the campus and meet with
> DS, professors in your department, and sit in on a class or two if you
> can.  4, Narrow down your applications and pick the school you like
> best.
>
> I wouldn't recommend doing what I did; I only applied to UD because it
> was the only school I loved, and the other two schools were on rolling
> admission.  I only prepped for the second school's audition just in
> case I didn't make it in to UD.  Although I love where I am, I wish I
> had looked at more places so I would have been able to make more
> useful observations.  Also, meet in person if at all possible, and by
> phone or Skype if not.  Emails ore fine, but phone calls are better.
>
> I hope these things help.  Sorry if I'm a little unorganized in this
> email; it's finals week and I'm writing this pretty quickly.
>
>
>
> On 12/15/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Michael and all,
>> One nice thing about being in a Ph.D. program is that you will
>> probably have all your activities in just one or two buildings, so you
>> won't need to learn the entire campus. I was at University of Colorado
>> for six years and only used one building for all my classes and
>> research, plus two for teaching assignments. As for Braille signage, I
>> am unaware of a place where classrooms are consistently labeled. I
>> wouldn't let a large or sprawled-out campus intimidate you from
>> attending school there, especially since you will only be using a
>> small part of that campus.
>> I've never considered any disability-related factors when choosing a
>> school, instead focusing on the quality of the academic programs. I
>> honestly don't think there's much difference between schools as far as
>> accessibility goes. When choosing a Ph.D. program the single most
>> important factor is choosing a mentor who is very interested in
>> working with you and who you want to be spending a lot of time with. A
>> good fit between Ph.D. student and mentor is genrally more important
>> than te school itself.
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 12/15/14, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello Phil:
>>>      I would certainly assert that claim; however, it is important to
>>> keep in
>>> mind that my claim is a hasty generalization. I may be completely wrong,
>>> as
>>> it pertains to other visually impaired learners. I truly believe that I
>>> have
>>> it right though, because if we do not have access to the school, how can
>>> we
>>> make judgments regarding it? Of course, over a period of time (as long
>>> as
>>> you're curious), a student will adapt to any situation.
>>>      In regards to whether contacting others with disabilities would be
>>> useful,
>>> I'll boldly state yes and no. The reason yes, is because by doing so,
>>> you
>>> can determine the ablest tendencies of the professor, that is, and how
>>> he
>>> or
>>> she views people with disabilities. The reason I would argue no, is
>>> because
>>> unless the individual you are contacting is blind and or has a similar
>>> mentality as yourself, the results may be varied. I've found that
>>> several
>>> of
>>> my fellow students here at the University of Nevada, have far different
>>> opinions of professors than I do. I so far, have loved every one of my
>>> professors; however, several have had a bad rap sheet in the past, as it
>>> pertains to disabilities or students in general. It's the luck of the
>>> draw,
>>> in some cases.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Phil [philso1003 at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:02 PM
>>> To: Michael D Ausbun
>>> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>>>
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> Would you say it's fair to say that for us blind and visually impaired
>>> students, choosing a school nearby we can gather the informatoin we
>>> need. It's when the schools we are considering are farther away,
>>> that's harder to use deduction skills as you put it.
>>> For your situation now, do you think it would be helpful if you could
>>> get in touch with students with disabilities from the schools that you
>>> are considering for your Ph.D. and ask for their opinions?
>>> Regards,
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/15/14, Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu> wrote:
>>>> Hello Phil:
>>>>       I was fortunate, in that I was able to take college courses at my
>>>> University when I was still in high school; because of this, I was able
>>>> to
>>>> grasp the necessary information, in order to determine that this is the
>>>> right University for me. By necessary information, I mean the inner
>>>> workings
>>>> of the Disability center, the mindset of a majority of professors on
>>>> campus
>>>> (I spoke to as many as I could find, just because I was interested),
>>>> the
>>>> layout of the campus and the difficulties in terrain/inaccessibility of
>>>> the
>>>> campus ahead of time, which allowed me to adapt.
>>>>       I am finding though, as I look for Ph.D. programs which will fit
>>>> my
>>>> specific needs, I am at a slight disadvantage. Many of the schools
>>>> which
>>>> I
>>>> am looking at are no ware near where I currently live, making my
>>>> previous
>>>> deduction skills useless. Moreover, I could email professors, but it
>>>> isn't
>>>> the same as talking to them. I can't interpret their voices, the
>>>> positioning
>>>> of their body in relation to mine, etc. which would help me make the
>>>> choice
>>>> of whether they accept me or not, etc.
>>>>       Furthermore, when I have traveled to other Universities for
>>>> Speech
>>>> and
>>>> Debate, I have encountered some difficulties in terrain. This made me
>>>> realize, the layout of the campus is a key component to how I may
>>>> consider
>>>> going there. I know for sure, I will not ever choose to go to the
>>>> University
>>>> of the Pacific in Stockton, for example, because buildings are
>>>> separated
>>>> by
>>>> great distance and stairs are labeled; moreover, almost no room has
>>>> braille
>>>> signage.
>>>>       Stuff like that would impact my decision, I think.
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Phil via nabs-l
>>>> [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> Hope everyone is enjoying your holiday season!
>>>> I wanted to ask members in this list who are college students, alumni,
>>>> or current high school students looking into college.
>>>> When you do college search, do you feel you have enough information
>>>> especially as a blind or visually impaired student, to make the right
>>>> choice about which college you should attend?
>>>> What frustrates you most about the college search process?
>>>> What kind of information do you wish you had that would help you make
>>>> the right choice?
>>>> And for college students and alumni, do you feel you chos the right
>>>> college and if not, what do you now know about this college that you
>>>> wish you had known about when you were doing your search?
>>>> Please feel free to tell as much as you feel like it. I really want to
>>>> learn about your college search experience.
>>>> Thank you so much for sharing. This can really help everyone.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Phil
>>>>
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From philso1003 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 09:10:53 2014
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 04:10:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
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Hi Kaiti!
Thanks so much! I enjoy reading your experience. Thanks for sharing!
That must have been frustrating when neither you nor the department
knew how to accommodate. But I'm glad you found a solution eventually.
And that's great you meet many nice students and instructors at UD.
I think art field is particularly tricky. I know someone who studied
dance and her school and instructors didn't know how to accommodate
her. That was 10 years ago for her. Coincidentally she also studied
music, before dance.
Best,
Phil

On 12/16/14, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry, I failed to answer a part of the original questions.
>
> As far as what I wished I had known before coming to my university, I
> wish I had known a little more about the upper level curriculum in a
> few of the music subjects.  My school teaches a very visual form of
> music analysis in the third of four music theory courses, and I really
> struggled with it last year.  A huge part of the problem was that
> neither my professors nor I knew how to accommodate for such an
> abstract form of analysis that is so visual, but we did eventually
> manage to figure it out.  That is one of the reasons I love my
> department, because they are always willing to look into new
> solutions; but, they also have no prior experience working with blind
> students.  I do not think I would have changed my mind if I had known
> these things before coming to college where I am, but It definitely
> would have made me think a bit more and do more research in advance.
>
> So, I think it's really important to ask about the upper level
> classes, not just the summary of what courses you'll need to take.
>
> On 12/16/14, Phil <philso1003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>> FYI, one of my best friends just finished his masters at Oxford this
>> year, albeit he has no disability, if you ever need to get basic info
>> about terrain, layout, and logistics. He studied philosophy for
>> undergrad but for grad he did something else.
>> For the domestic schools there are probably people on this list who
>> can give you info if you ever need it.
>> However, I agree with Arielle that for Ph.D. first and foremost it's
>> department and professor fit. The search process for undergrad college
>> is very different from grad school.
>> And if the #1 university in the world accepts you, yeah I doubt
>> accessibility would be the #1 thing on your mind at that time. smile
>> Good luck!!
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> On 12/16/14, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Kaiti and Arielle,
>>> 	Thank you for your advice and suggestions. All of them have been duely
>>> noted, and I likely will act upon them, because they are extremely
>>> useful
>>> suggestions. At the current moment, I am looking at:
>>> 1)	Oxford
>>> 2)	Michigan An Arber
>>> 3)	Stanford
>>> 4)	NYU
>>> 5)	Princeton
>>> I haven't done much research into the accessability, because I figured
>>> in
>>> the end it wouldn't dissuade me from going there if I get in; however, I
>>> was
>>> conserned about the professor/mentor relationships, because those
>>> Universities are rather far away. Over the previous summer, when I was
>>> attempting to figure out how Symbolic Logic might be taught to the
>>> blind,
>>> I
>>> had email corispondence with tones of professors, 2-3 from each of the
>>> schools I listed (my favorite contact was with a Philosopher by the name
>>> of
>>> Saul Kripke...but I'll not digress into a fanboy moment here).
>>> 	Just a little side note, if anyone is interested, there is a blind
>>> professor of Logic at aucklend university, by the name of Jonothon
>>> mckien-Green. He is absolutely wonderful, both as an insteructer, friend
>>> and
>>> person.
>>> Anyways, sorry...finals make me tired and rambley; thank you for the
>>> wonderful
>>> suggestions!
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Kaiti Shelton via
>>> nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 8:42 PM
>>> To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>>>
>>> Hi Phil and all,
>>>
>>> First, a note to Michael; you mentioned that you cannot easily judge
>>> whether or not professors in PH.D programs will accept you by using
>>> email alone, and visiting with them in person is out of the question.
>>> Have you considered calling them on the phone or Skype?  Meetings like
>>> that would bridge the distance and voice gaps quite nicely, I think;
>>> you could even video conference if you wanted to use Skype.  Hope that
>>> suggestion helps.
>>>
>>> I also knew really early on what I wanted to do for college, and where
>>> I wanted to go.  It helped that my major is only offered at a
>>> relatively small handful of colleges in the country (just 72 to be
>>> exact), and at the time 3 were in my home state.  I did look into
>>> other schools in Indiana and Kentucky as well, and prepped for a
>>> second audition at Eastern Michigan University, but I didn't end up
>>> going to it.
>>>
>>> I first visited UD where I'm a junior now after my sophomore year of
>>> high school.  One thing that impressed me immediately was how friendly
>>> the students were.  My mom and I got lost in some construction, and a
>>> student volunteered to walk us to the building we needed to find.
>>> People held doors for us, told me I should come to UD when they
>>> noticed I was a bit younger, and did other nice things.  In that
>>> visit, I had a meeting with the DS office and took a campus tour.  My
>>> DS counselor, who is actually my main contact now, was very good about
>>> explaining everything to me and my mom.  The campus seemed perfect.  I
>>> told my mom in the parking lot that I wanted to go here, and although
>>> she did urge me to see other campuses before I made my decision and I
>>> did do that, UD ended up being the right fit after all.  Another thing
>>> that really impressed me was that they got all my materials that I
>>> would need for my music department audition in accessible formats, and
>>> were willing to make modifications on the spot.  My sight reading
>>> excerpt was in braille music notation, I was allowed to have a scribe
>>> for the aural skills test, and although I did bring my own laptop
>>> because the university's copy of Goodfeel was not purchased until I
>>> was accepted and passed my audition, I had a scribe to copy down what
>>> I wrote on the computer into the test form for the theory test as
>>> well.  The only problem came when they didn't realize I would be at a
>>> disadvantage in sightreading, because they handed me a 2 page piece of
>>> braille music and didn't realize that I would not be able to memorize
>>> it in 15 minutes.  They gave me extra scales and asked me to pull some
>>> songs out of thin air instead.  I was very impressed after the
>>> audition as well, when the DS office and the music department
>>> purchased additional equipment they would need to produce materials
>>> in-house.
>>>
>>> My college experience has not been perfect; I had a terrible year last
>>> year with some academic accommodations gone awry, some issues with a
>>> roommate and a fellow who didn't want to handle the situation, and one
>>> of my best friends transferring to another school halfway through the
>>> year.  However, the bulk of my college experience has been great, and
>>> even when things were rough, I felt like I fit here.  Especially after
>>> this semester which has redeemed some of the bad from last year, I
>>> wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
>>>
>>> I think there is a fairly logical sequence to figuring out the right
>>> fit: 1, figure out your major if at all possible.  2, research what
>>> colleges have it, and take distance from home into consideration if
>>> you wish to stay somewhat close.  3, visit the campus and meet with
>>> DS, professors in your department, and sit in on a class or two if you
>>> can.  4, Narrow down your applications and pick the school you like
>>> best.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't recommend doing what I did; I only applied to UD because it
>>> was the only school I loved, and the other two schools were on rolling
>>> admission.  I only prepped for the second school's audition just in
>>> case I didn't make it in to UD.  Although I love where I am, I wish I
>>> had looked at more places so I would have been able to make more
>>> useful observations.  Also, meet in person if at all possible, and by
>>> phone or Skype if not.  Emails ore fine, but phone calls are better.
>>>
>>> I hope these things help.  Sorry if I'm a little unorganized in this
>>> email; it's finals week and I'm writing this pretty quickly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/15/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Michael and all,
>>>> One nice thing about being in a Ph.D. program is that you will
>>>> probably have all your activities in just one or two buildings, so you
>>>> won't need to learn the entire campus. I was at University of Colorado
>>>> for six years and only used one building for all my classes and
>>>> research, plus two for teaching assignments. As for Braille signage, I
>>>> am unaware of a place where classrooms are consistently labeled. I
>>>> wouldn't let a large or sprawled-out campus intimidate you from
>>>> attending school there, especially since you will only be using a
>>>> small part of that campus.
>>>> I've never considered any disability-related factors when choosing a
>>>> school, instead focusing on the quality of the academic programs. I
>>>> honestly don't think there's much difference between schools as far as
>>>> accessibility goes. When choosing a Ph.D. program the single most
>>>> important factor is choosing a mentor who is very interested in
>>>> working with you and who you want to be spending a lot of time with. A
>>>> good fit between Ph.D. student and mentor is genrally more important
>>>> than te school itself.
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>> On 12/15/14, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Phil:
>>>>>      I would certainly assert that claim; however, it is important to
>>>>> keep in
>>>>> mind that my claim is a hasty generalization. I may be completely
>>>>> wrong,
>>>>> as
>>>>> it pertains to other visually impaired learners. I truly believe that
>>>>> I
>>>>> have
>>>>> it right though, because if we do not have access to the school, how
>>>>> can
>>>>> we
>>>>> make judgments regarding it? Of course, over a period of time (as long
>>>>> as
>>>>> you're curious), a student will adapt to any situation.
>>>>>      In regards to whether contacting others with disabilities would
>>>>> be
>>>>> useful,
>>>>> I'll boldly state yes and no. The reason yes, is because by doing so,
>>>>> you
>>>>> can determine the ablest tendencies of the professor, that is, and how
>>>>> he
>>>>> or
>>>>> she views people with disabilities. The reason I would argue no, is
>>>>> because
>>>>> unless the individual you are contacting is blind and or has a similar
>>>>> mentality as yourself, the results may be varied. I've found that
>>>>> several
>>>>> of
>>>>> my fellow students here at the University of Nevada, have far
>>>>> different
>>>>> opinions of professors than I do. I so far, have loved every one of my
>>>>> professors; however, several have had a bad rap sheet in the past, as
>>>>> it
>>>>> pertains to disabilities or students in general. It's the luck of the
>>>>> draw,
>>>>> in some cases.
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: Phil [philso1003 at gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:02 PM
>>>>> To: Michael D Ausbun
>>>>> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>> Would you say it's fair to say that for us blind and visually impaired
>>>>> students, choosing a school nearby we can gather the informatoin we
>>>>> need. It's when the schools we are considering are farther away,
>>>>> that's harder to use deduction skills as you put it.
>>>>> For your situation now, do you think it would be helpful if you could
>>>>> get in touch with students with disabilities from the schools that you
>>>>> are considering for your Ph.D. and ask for their opinions?
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Phil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/15/14, Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Phil:
>>>>>>       I was fortunate, in that I was able to take college courses at
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> University when I was still in high school; because of this, I was
>>>>>> able
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> grasp the necessary information, in order to determine that this is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> right University for me. By necessary information, I mean the inner
>>>>>> workings
>>>>>> of the Disability center, the mindset of a majority of professors on
>>>>>> campus
>>>>>> (I spoke to as many as I could find, just because I was interested),
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> layout of the campus and the difficulties in terrain/inaccessibility
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> campus ahead of time, which allowed me to adapt.
>>>>>>       I am finding though, as I look for Ph.D. programs which will
>>>>>> fit
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> specific needs, I am at a slight disadvantage. Many of the schools
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am looking at are no ware near where I currently live, making my
>>>>>> previous
>>>>>> deduction skills useless. Moreover, I could email professors, but it
>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>> the same as talking to them. I can't interpret their voices, the
>>>>>> positioning
>>>>>> of their body in relation to mine, etc. which would help me make the
>>>>>> choice
>>>>>> of whether they accept me or not, etc.
>>>>>>       Furthermore, when I have traveled to other Universities for
>>>>>> Speech
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> Debate, I have encountered some difficulties in terrain. This made me
>>>>>> realize, the layout of the campus is a key component to how I may
>>>>>> consider
>>>>>> going there. I know for sure, I will not ever choose to go to the
>>>>>> University
>>>>>> of the Pacific in Stockton, for example, because buildings are
>>>>>> separated
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> great distance and stairs are labeled; moreover, almost no room has
>>>>>> braille
>>>>>> signage.
>>>>>>       Stuff like that would impact my decision, I think.
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Phil via nabs-l
>>>>>> [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:47 AM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Your experience with college search
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>> Hope everyone is enjoying your holiday season!
>>>>>> I wanted to ask members in this list who are college students,
>>>>>> alumni,
>>>>>> or current high school students looking into college.
>>>>>> When you do college search, do you feel you have enough information
>>>>>> especially as a blind or visually impaired student, to make the right
>>>>>> choice about which college you should attend?
>>>>>> What frustrates you most about the college search process?
>>>>>> What kind of information do you wish you had that would help you make
>>>>>> the right choice?
>>>>>> And for college students and alumni, do you feel you chos the right
>>>>>> college and if not, what do you now know about this college that you
>>>>>> wish you had known about when you were doing your search?
>>>>>> Please feel free to tell as much as you feel like it. I really want
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> learn about your college search experience.
>>>>>> Thank you so much for sharing. This can really help everyone.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 12:56:33 2014
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:56:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Using overdrive with apex
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Does anyone know if it is possible to download books with overdrive with the apex?

Amanda

From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Dec 16 13:10:29 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 05:10:29 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and  others
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Good morning, Michael, and everyone,

         Why does it sound like not making use of 
the DSS is like a sort of badge of honor? 
Admittedly, some people may want to put forth 
even more exertion additional to their required 
schoolwork to secure their own test accomodations 
and other materials but remember, probably some 
disenfranchised somebodies from the pages of 
history had to fight to create such a DSS for us. 
Claiming in what I perceive to be self righteous 
tones that you do everything without support of 
the DSS, after handicapped students that came 
before us, most likely, had to struggle, and 
struggle hard for the creation of the DSS? What 
I'm saying, is the DSS is a need of some 
students, therefore it needs to, must, exist to serve.


to do away from my disability center. In my case, 
it was either because the professor did not want 
to deal with the Disability services office or 
they did not trust the disability services office 
(professors are interesting creatures). In either 
case, if a professor gives you the exam like 
this, they have to trust that you will not cheat 
in some way shape or form. Many students, if they 
do not advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their instructors.
>3)      Technology rocks, that is, if you manage 
>to get your hands on technology which can help 
>you succeed, then you may not need a disability 
>center; however, most students don’t have the 
>technology, which you stated, so most need the 
>DSS in order to succeed in this case.
>Of course, there are other ways for individuals 
>to do things without the disability services 
>getting involved; for instance, I always request 
>my books from bookshare, so I don’t have to 
>worry about the disability center not getting 
>them to me on time. I think though, the key fact 
>is that the disability center provides students 
>with a safety blanket. You don’t have to 
>advocate as much nor do you have to stress as 
>much. If you go through a disability services 
>center, then nine times out of ten they assist 
>you in shouldering your burden. This, for a lot 
>of people, can and probably does, act as relief.
>         I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
>Respectfully,
>Michael
>
>________________________________________
>From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on 
>behalf of Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>
>   HI guys
>It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes
>crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille
>out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I
>managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known?
>By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at
>first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read
>me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning
>them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the
>semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the
>classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or other
>activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on the
>college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the teacher
>in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers,
>printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took the test
>in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did computer
>maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
>Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my
>parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members,
>recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes
>on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in
>the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky
>because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a
>scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on
>there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for
>taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've
>contacted other college students, and they only dream of having these
>technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone to a
>private college, and not a public university? So there you have it;
>perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, and
>teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and
>made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these
>experiences worthwhile?
>
>--
>Enviado desde mi lap
>Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
>Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
>RompiendoBarreras espacio de 
>psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM 
>México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>
>
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From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 13:33:34 2014
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:33:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Using overdrive with apex
In-Reply-To: <C9429063-9ADB-4AD3-B31B-D353FB0FAD02@gmail.com>
References: <C9429063-9ADB-4AD3-B31B-D353FB0FAD02@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9v8PWG3Ab00Ji8MGxr6c4JrbG38U+CsHxzO+_U=DGCmGA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Amanda.  I believe the answer to your question is no for audio
books, and maybe yes for certain public domain ebooks.  My library is
subscribed to overdrive, and I can get a limited number of audio
books.  However, the audio books are in that stupid and very annoying
protected WMA format which I really hate.  This is because first, it
is very difficult to find any player that will play protected WMA
files, so your audio book goes away after two weeks.  The braille-note
can't play the protected WMA files, however, if you get a book that is
in mp3 format it will play just fine.  As for the ebooks, one time I
downloaded Great Expectations in .epub format, and I was able to read
it on my computer with no problems.  I believe the ebook may have come
from the gutenberg project, so the book is in the public domain, so
that is why it wasn't protected. Good luck.

On 12/16/14, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Does anyone know if it is possible to download books with overdrive with the
> apex?
>
> Amanda
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 14:00:41 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:00:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Training Center Story from BLIND, Inc.
Message-ID: <54903b1d.0ad8ca0a.843d.13f3@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth thanks for posting this story.  I really enjoyed 
reading about what the author learned at this training center.


From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 15:09:08 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:09:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] hi all and questions
Message-ID: <DF645C3F-F95C-45E1-A246-16B3B8F0B20D@gmail.com>

Hello all I have a question to all of those whom use voiceover on ios devices using a braille  display how do I control my phone using the braille note apex's keyboard like going to the app switcher et? Can someone give me pointers on how to accomplish this task? Please help. that would be appreciated.  warm regards 

From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 15:12:55 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (mabes)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:12:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote questions
Message-ID: <54904c17.0ca5e00a.2720.5ff5@mx.google.com>

Hello all, I want to ask does anyone here know how to control an 
IOS  device using the braillenote when in terminal mode and when 
the braillenote is  connected as a braille display? If so please 
email me because I want to be able to control my Iphone using my 
braillenote apex.  I have it connected as a braille device so 
that I can read braille on my Iphone.  I desperately need help.


Hope all of you whom use a braillenote can help me.


Thanks again.




From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 15:37:57 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:37:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] hi all and questions
Message-ID: <549051ea.638e3c0a.60ff.1cee@mx.google.com>

Press the home button three times quickly to get to the app 
switcher.


From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 16:00:11 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:00:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] hi all and questions
In-Reply-To: <549051ea.638e3c0a.60ff.1cee@mx.google.com>
References: <549051ea.638e3c0a.60ff.1cee@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <42818F01-4B33-49F8-B2E3-8E1DDC3BA321@gmail.com>

 i'm trying to ask what braille note  keystrokes do I use to navigate my phone using voiceover. I have a bt model. please help.

sent from my iPhone using voiceover

> On Dec 16, 2014, at 10:37, Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Press the home button three times quickly to get to the app switcher.


From gera1027 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 16:30:04 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:30:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] hi all and questions
In-Reply-To: <42818F01-4B33-49F8-B2E3-8E1DDC3BA321@gmail.com>
References: <549051ea.638e3c0a.60ff.1cee@mx.google.com>
	<42818F01-4B33-49F8-B2E3-8E1DDC3BA321@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54905E0C.8010008@gmail.com>

  Here's the page; Took some Googling to get to when I first got my Apex 
and wanted to learn how to use my IPhone with it. Here it goes
http://www.iaccessblog.com/braillenote-apex-ios-command-list/
and any other questions, feel free to ask!

El 16/12/2014 10:00 a.m., Mabelin Paez via nabs-l escribió:
>   i'm trying to ask what braille note  keystrokes do I use to navigate my phone using voiceover. I have a bt model. please help.
>
> sent from my iPhone using voiceover
>
>> On Dec 16, 2014, at 10:37, Roanna Bacchus<rbacchus228 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>> Press the home button three times quickly to get to the app switcher.
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-- 
Enviado desde mi lap
Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!



From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 17:07:36 2014
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:07:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] hi all and questions
In-Reply-To: <54905E0C.8010008@gmail.com>
References: <549051ea.638e3c0a.60ff.1cee@mx.google.com>
	<42818F01-4B33-49F8-B2E3-8E1DDC3BA321@gmail.com>
	<54905E0C.8010008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A854705F-15AD-4E06-B1A8-6E264710EC8F@gmail.com>

Do you know about using overdrive ebooks with the apex?

Amanda

> On Dec 16, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Here's the page; Took some Googling to get to when I first got my Apex and wanted to learn how to use my IPhone with it. Here it goes
> http://www.iaccessblog.com/braillenote-apex-ios-command-list/
> and any other questions, feel free to ask!
> 
> El 16/12/2014 10:00 a.m., Mabelin Paez via nabs-l escribió:
>>  i'm trying to ask what braille note  keystrokes do I use to navigate my phone using voiceover. I have a bt model. please help.
>> 
>> sent from my iPhone using voiceover
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2014, at 10:37, Roanna Bacchus<rbacchus228 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Press the home button three times quickly to get to the app switcher.
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> -- 
> Enviado desde mi lap
> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
> RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
> 
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 19:03:51 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:03:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Classes with Smart Pen
Message-ID: <453DD685-84B0-4B8A-8B48-931A78A8C931@gmail.com>

Hi everyone! How are you all? Have some of you experienced using an Smart Pen for recording your classes or use it in order to take notes or for other things? I'm just wondering. If you have, I would like to ask you some questions about it. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 19:46:10 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:46:10 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and  others
In-Reply-To: <54902fbc.66558c0a.6d9a.72e0SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <548F5930.2050505@gmail.com>
	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B84394F@UBOX2.unr.edu>
	<54902fbc.66558c0a.6d9a.72e0SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <7139C137-FCA9-4043-87A3-A72CF89D3FFB@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I'm kind of a hypocrite, because I agree with Michael and Lily on this one… however one of my professors, with whom I have a fantastic relationship, just emailed me her final and told me to take it at home on proctored out of convenience. I'm not going to cheat, and I feel kind of weird about it… but I'm doing it, so what does that say about me? Haha
Best,
Kirt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2014, at 6:10 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, Michael, and everyone,
> 
>        Why does it sound like not making use of the DSS is like a sort of badge of honor? Admittedly, some people may want to put forth even more exertion additional to their required schoolwork to secure their own test accomodations and other materials but remember, probably some disenfranchised somebodies from the pages of history had to fight to create such a DSS for us. Claiming in what I perceive to be self righteous tones that you do everything without support of the DSS, after handicapped students that came before us, most likely, had to struggle, and struggle hard for the creation of the DSS? What I'm saying, is the DSS is a need of some students, therefore it needs to, must, exist to serve.
> 
> 
> to do away from my disability center. In my case, it was either because the professor did not want to deal with the Disability services office or they did not trust the disability services office (professors are interesting creatures). In either case, if a professor gives you the exam like this, they have to trust that you will not cheat in some way shape or form. Many students, if they do not advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their instructors.
>> 3)      Technology rocks, that is, if you manage to get your hands on technology which can help you succeed, then you may not need a disability center; however, most students don’t have the technology, which you stated, so most need the DSS in order to succeed in this case.
>> Of course, there are other ways for individuals to do things without the disability services getting involved; for instance, I always request my books from bookshare, so I don’t have to worry about the disability center not getting them to me on time. I think though, the key fact is that the disability center provides students with a safety blanket. You don’t have to advocate as much nor do you have to stress as much. If you go through a disability services center, then nine times out of ten they assist you in shouldering your burden. This, for a lot of people, can and probably does, act as relief.
>>        I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>> 
>>  HI guys
>> It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes
>> crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille
>> out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I
>> managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known?
>> By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at
>> first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read
>> me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning
>> them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the
>> semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the
>> classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or other
>> activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on the
>> college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the teacher
>> in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers,
>> printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took the test
>> in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did computer
>> maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
>> Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my
>> parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members,
>> recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes
>> on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in
>> the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky
>> because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a
>> scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on
>> there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for
>> taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've
>> contacted other college students, and they only dream of having these
>> technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone to a
>> private college, and not a public university? So there you have it;
>> perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, and
>> teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and
>> made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these
>> experiences worthwhile?
>> 
>> --
>> Enviado desde mi lap
>> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
>> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
>> RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>> 
>> 
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 19:51:41 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:51:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and  others
In-Reply-To: <7139C137-FCA9-4043-87A3-A72CF89D3FFB@gmail.com>
References: <548F5930.2050505@gmail.com>	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B84394F@UBOX2.unr.edu>	<54902fbc.66558c0a.6d9a.72e0SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<7139C137-FCA9-4043-87A3-A72CF89D3FFB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54908D4D.8000107@gmail.com>

  Just to be on the safe side, and indeed very interesting discussion! 
just to be on the safe side, my intention was never to come across as 
I'm very ´powerful know-it-all; rather to talk of my experiences in a 
country where as I said before, Disability services aren't known, thus 
most blind college students here in Mexico, have to as they say, scratch 
their nails! Sadly, some of these potentcial college students, out of 
despair, drop out!

El 16/12/2014 01:46 p.m., Kirt via nabs-l escribió:
> Hi all,
> I'm kind of a hypocrite, because I agree with Michael and Lily on this one… however one of my professors, with whom I have a fantastic relationship, just emailed me her final and told me to take it at home on proctored out of convenience. I'm not going to cheat, and I feel kind of weird about it… but I'm doing it, so what does that say about me? Haha
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 16, 2014, at 6:10 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  wrote:
>>
>> Good morning, Michael, and everyone,
>>
>>         Why does it sound like not making use of the DSS is like a sort of badge of honor? Admittedly, some people may want to put forth even more exertion additional to their required schoolwork to secure their own test accomodations and other materials but remember, probably some disenfranchised somebodies from the pages of history had to fight to create such a DSS for us. Claiming in what I perceive to be self righteous tones that you do everything without support of the DSS, after handicapped students that came before us, most likely, had to struggle, and struggle hard for the creation of the DSS? What I'm saying, is the DSS is a need of some students, therefore it needs to, must, exist to serve.
>>
>>
>> to do away from my disability center. In my case, it was either because the professor did not want to deal with the Disability services office or they did not trust the disability services office (professors are interesting creatures). In either case, if a professor gives you the exam like this, they have to trust that you will not cheat in some way shape or form. Many students, if they do not advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their instructors.
>>> 3)      Technology rocks, that is, if you manage to get your hands on technology which can help you succeed, then you may not need a disability center; however, most students don’t have the technology, which you stated, so most need the DSS in order to succeed in this case.
>>> Of course, there are other ways for individuals to do things without the disability services getting involved; for instance, I always request my books from bookshare, so I don’t have to worry about the disability center not getting them to me on time. I think though, the key fact is that the disability center provides students with a safety blanket. You don’t have to advocate as much nor do you have to stress as much. If you go through a disability services center, then nine times out of ten they assist you in shouldering your burden. This, for a lot of people, can and probably does, act as relief.
>>>         I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>>>
>>>   HI guys
>>> It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes
>>> crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille
>>> out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I
>>> managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known?
>>> By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at
>>> first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read
>>> me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning
>>> them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the
>>> semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the
>>> classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or other
>>> activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on the
>>> college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the teacher
>>> in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers,
>>> printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took the test
>>> in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did computer
>>> maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
>>> Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my
>>> parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members,
>>> recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes
>>> on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in
>>> the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky
>>> because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a
>>> scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on
>>> there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for
>>> taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've
>>> contacted other college students, and they only dream of having these
>>> technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone to a
>>> private college, and not a public university? So there you have it;
>>> perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, and
>>> teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and
>>> made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these
>>> experiences worthwhile?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Enviado desde mi lap
>>> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
>>> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
>>> RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>>>
>>>
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 20:09:15 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:09:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Using overdrive with apex
Message-ID: <5490916d.62703c0a.2329.3d0d@mx.google.com>

Amanda and all, Joshua is right about the apex. However, I'm able 
to listen to Overdrive MP3 audiobooks on my iPhone with no 
problem. The Overdrive website isn't the best accessibility wise 
(at least not for my phone) but hey, free books are free books, 
and I'm a total reading addict.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: cape.amanda at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:33:34 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using overdrive with apex

Hi Amanda.  I believe the answer to your question is no for audio
books, and maybe yes for certain public domain ebooks.  My 
library is
subscribed to overdrive, and I can get a limited number of audio
books.  However, the audio books are in that stupid and very 
annoying
protected WMA format which I really hate.  This is because first, 
it
is very difficult to find any player that will play protected WMA
files, so your audio book goes away after two weeks.  The 
braille-note
can't play the protected WMA files, however, if you get a book 
that is
in mp3 format it will play just fine.  As for the ebooks, one 
time I
downloaded Great Expectations in .epub format, and I was able to 
read
it on my computer with no problems.  I believe the ebook may have 
come
from the gutenberg project, so the book is in the public domain, 
so
that is why it wasn't protected. Good luck.

On 12/16/14, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Does anyone know if it is possible to download books with 
overdrive with the
 apex?

 Amanda
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From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 20:54:00 2014
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:54:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Using overdrive with apex
In-Reply-To: <5490916d.62703c0a.2329.3d0d@mx.google.com>
References: <5490916d.62703c0a.2329.3d0d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9vrkhh_W0_OSGdaPWu+ddFizC0RgbFK2wu_gdZT5fxS6A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Amanda.  For public domain ebooks, you could check out
www.archive.org, and www.gutenberg.org.  Books that are regular mp3
files, should play on most any audio device.

On 12/16/14, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
> Amanda and all, Joshua is right about the apex. However, I'm able
> to listen to Overdrive MP3 audiobooks on my iPhone with no
> problem. The Overdrive website isn't the best accessibility wise
> (at least not for my phone) but hey, free books are free books,
> and I'm a total reading addict.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: cape.amanda at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:33:34 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using overdrive with apex
>
> Hi Amanda.  I believe the answer to your question is no for audio
> books, and maybe yes for certain public domain ebooks.  My
> library is
> subscribed to overdrive, and I can get a limited number of audio
> books.  However, the audio books are in that stupid and very
> annoying
> protected WMA format which I really hate.  This is because first,
> it
> is very difficult to find any player that will play protected WMA
> files, so your audio book goes away after two weeks.  The
> braille-note
> can't play the protected WMA files, however, if you get a book
> that is
> in mp3 format it will play just fine.  As for the ebooks, one
> time I
> downloaded Great Expectations in .epub format, and I was able to
> read
> it on my computer with no problems.  I believe the ebook may have
> come
> from the gutenberg project, so the book is in the public domain,
> so
> that is why it wasn't protected. Good luck.
>
> On 12/16/14, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>  Does anyone know if it is possible to download books with
> overdrive with the
>  apex?
>
>  Amanda
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From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Tue Dec 16 21:16:35 2014
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:16:35 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Job Opening for Orientation and Mobility Specialist at
 LightHouse for the Blind
Message-ID: <2B462D39CA57B147A4C4B61F9FC1959D50F1EF@email.rrlh-sf.local>

LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired in San Francisco has a job opening for an Orientation and Mobility Specialist.



POSITION: Orientation and Mobility Specialist (bilingual in Spanish preferred)



REPORTS TO: Director of Rehabilitation Services



STATUS: Exempt



WC CLASS: Teacher



Are you ready to impart your skill and enthusiasm to the transformative effect the San Francisco LightHouse for the Blind has had on the lives of blind northern Californians? Do you want to be dedicated to learning the latest developments and practices in the blindness field becoming immersed in the history of blindness and the disability movement?



If your answer is yes, then please apply for the opportunity to join a top Rehabilitation Services team.



JOB PURPOSE:



The Orientation and Mobility Specialist (OMS) is responsible for teaching orientation and mobility to blind, low-vision and deaf-blind adults & seniors from diverse backgrounds. In providing orientation and mobility instruction, the OMS will conduct assessments and provide training which reflects recent and progressive travel and orientation techniques and trends, focusing on student's travel needs in the home, work and community. The OMS must have the ability to assess and teach to differing skill levels, as well as to train on varied mobility devices and options such as;  monocular use, purpose-built GPS, BrailleNote GPS, Seeing eye GPS, BlindSquare, Google Maps, Audible Pedestrian Signals and the Lighthouse's very own tactile maps of public streets, transit hubs, and public spaces.



Flexibility and 'thinking outside the box' is essential to this position.  The OMS must be able to work with and provide information and training to family and friends, community members, volunteers and service providers and effectively communicate and collaborate with referral agencies in providing services to shared students.  The duties of the OMS may include (but are not limited to): conducting of assessments, writing individual training plans with the student, and facilitating individual and group instruction as needed.  Orientation and mobility instruction may occur on-site, in the home, workplace or the student's community, including travel on all forms of San Francisco Bay Area-wide public transportation and Paratransit.



The OMS must be flexible working throughout the greater San Francisco Bay Area, including periodic week-long training from the LightHouse North Coast office in Eureka, and able to travel as far south as Monterey and Salinas. Additionally, week-long seminar training may happen up to four times per year at Enchanted Hills Camp and Retreat.  Training may occur in either urban or rural settings. The OMS may also be asked to teach and assess for urgent and basic daily living skills.  The OMS is a professional within the Lighthouse Rehabilitation Team, sharing resources, recommendations and referrals.



QUALIFICATIONS:



Education or equivalent: Master's Degree with specialty in Orientation and Mobility, & Academy for Certification of Vision Rehabilitation and Education Professionals (ACVREP) Certified - OR - Minimum of a BA Degree in Rehabilitation Services; or a related degree with National Orientation and Mobility Certification (NOMC) from the National Blindness Professional Certification Board (NBPCB).



Experience: A minimum of three years teaching Orientation and Mobility preferred. A history of teaching basic independent living skills (home-to-work skills) with adults and/ or seniors is necessary.



Intern supervision experience preferred; the LightHouse works with San Francisco State University and the intention is to provide supervised intern placement within LightHouse on an annual basis.



Other: Preferred fluency (speaking, reading and writing) in Spanish. Multicultural teaching experience preferred; excellent verbal and written communication skills; strong interpersonal skills in order to relate to staff, blind and visually-impaired students, and persons in the community with varied backgrounds and viewpoints.



An ability to formulate individual, sequential training plans. Knowledge of Braille desired.



PHYSICAL DEMANDS:



Ability to teach in rain, cold, heat and other inclement conditions.



ACCOUNTABILITIES:



Assess individual needs of students and set goals for instruction.

Provide training under training shade as necessary or recommended.

Provide professionally-written student assessments, goal development, and training summaries / recommendations, on a monthly basis to all third-party contracting sources (such as the Department of Rehabilitation, Veterans Administration and Regional Center).

Maintain weekly and monthly database entries regarding units of service provided to students, along with notes, goal-planning and reports for all direct services provided.

Act as Agency liaison in traffic, community transportation services and auditory signal issues or projects as requested.

Provide cane travel, route travel with dog guide users & teams and human guide instruction.

Develop and create maps for students as necessary; provide training in the use of tactile maps.

Maintain updated information regarding Paratransit programs, providing registration assistance and training in the programs as necessary.

Participate in Agency public outreach and education as requested.

Provide orientation and route training in all environments and on various forms of public transit.

Assess for and teach basic and essential independent living skills to blind and low-vision students such as labeling, money organization, use of an ATM, and home safety practices.

Provide assessment and training in independent living strategies that impact personal safety.

Provide assessment and training in independent living strategies which provide choice and independence in completing tasks in the home, volunteer work and employment.

Facilitate or co-facilitate classes, including our Changing Visions, Changing Lives immersion cohort and community workshops.

Initiate outreach, training and collaboration with local universities and school's disabled student programs, in providing campus orientation.

Conduct student home safety assessments and community agency environmental evaluations.

Provide consultation and/or training to staff in community agencies regarding environmental modifications and strategies in working with persons who are blind or low-vision.

Attend and participate in All-Staff meetings, monthly Consumer Review and departmental meetings (Rehabilitation Services).

Complete requisite documentation in a timely manner.

Ensure all publicity materials have first been approved by the Director of Rehabilitation Services.

Completely and accurately record student information in the proprietary LightHouse client database.

Complete monthly billing on a timely basis (by the first of each month).

Maintain timely communication and responses to clients (within 48 hours of referral).

Maintain professional communication via e-mail and voice mail on a timely and ongoing basis.

Other Duties: Please note this job description is not designed to cover or contain a comprehensive listing of activities, duties or responsibilities that are required of the employee for this job. Duties, responsibilities and activities may change at any time with or without notice.



SUPERVISORY RESPONSIBILITY:

Supervise and provide instruction to Orientation and Mobility Interns as requested. (Must have MA/ACVREP Certification plus three years' experience for Intern supervision.



WORKING CONDITIONS:

Equal opportunity to all regardless of race, color, creed, national origin, ancestry, sex, marital status, disability, religious or political affiliation, age, or sexual orientation. We have an "employment at will" policy.



TO APPLY:

Please submit cover letter and / or résumé as Word attachments (no PDFs, please) to hr at lighthouse-sf.org<mailto:hr at lighthouse-sf.org>, including the job title in the subject line. We will not consider videos or hyperlinks to online profiles at this time; thank you.




From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 21:34:10 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:34:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] blio problem
Message-ID: <5490a554.c6dfca0a.25fa.477a@mx.google.com>

Dear NABS Friends,

I have the Blio app on my iPhone 5S, an app I haven't used in 
awhile. I'm trying to sync my reading list, but whenever I double 
tap on the app to open it, the app immediately closes and returns 
me to the previous screen. I tried rebooting my phone by turning 
it off and then on again, but the app still closes on me. Any 
ideas?


From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Wed Dec 17 01:26:04 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 19:26:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and  others
In-Reply-To: <54908D4D.8000107@gmail.com>
References: <548F5930.2050505@gmail.com>	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B84394F@UBOX2.unr.edu>	<54902fbc.66558c0a.6d9a.72e0SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>	<7139C137-FCA9-4043-87A3-A72CF89D3FFB@gmail.com>
	<54908D4D.8000107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002401d01998$6d355700$47a00500$@mediacombb.net>

The school's disability services is just one answer to your issues in getting things made accessable to you.  There was a time in this country that such a service was non-existant as well.  

I also believe, that we need to be willingto use other legal methods to fund our career goals and obtain equipment the gods at rehab don't agree with our desires.  I have benefitted greatly from rehab; and, they have told me know to some things.  This is fair, (most of the time), so I decide how badly I wish to obtain the knowledge and search for other methods of funding it.  Just be willing to fight for what you want.  It's not always easy.  However, if you work hard, explore all options, etc, you can go along ways towards achieving your goals.  

Loren Wakefield



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:52 PM
To: Kirt; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others

  Just to be on the safe side, and indeed very interesting discussion! 
just to be on the safe side, my intention was never to come across as I'm very ´powerful know-it-all; rather to talk of my experiences in a country where as I said before, Disability services aren't known, thus most blind college students here in Mexico, have to as they say, scratch their nails! Sadly, some of these potentcial college students, out of despair, drop out!

El 16/12/2014 01:46 p.m., Kirt via nabs-l escribió:
> Hi all,
> I'm kind of a hypocrite, because I agree with Michael and Lily on this 
> one… however one of my professors, with whom I have a fantastic 
> relationship, just emailed me her final and told me to take it at home 
> on proctored out of convenience. I'm not going to cheat, and I feel 
> kind of weird about it… but I'm doing it, so what does that say about 
> me? Haha Best, Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 16, 2014, at 6:10 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  wrote:
>>
>> Good morning, Michael, and everyone,
>>
>>         Why does it sound like not making use of the DSS is like a sort of badge of honor? Admittedly, some people may want to put forth even more exertion additional to their required schoolwork to secure their own test accomodations and other materials but remember, probably some disenfranchised somebodies from the pages of history had to fight to create such a DSS for us. Claiming in what I perceive to be self righteous tones that you do everything without support of the DSS, after handicapped students that came before us, most likely, had to struggle, and struggle hard for the creation of the DSS? What I'm saying, is the DSS is a need of some students, therefore it needs to, must, exist to serve.
>>
>>
>> to do away from my disability center. In my case, it was either because the professor did not want to deal with the Disability services office or they did not trust the disability services office (professors are interesting creatures). In either case, if a professor gives you the exam like this, they have to trust that you will not cheat in some way shape or form. Many students, if they do not advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their instructors.
>>> 3)      Technology rocks, that is, if you manage to get your hands on technology which can help you succeed, then you may not need a disability center; however, most students don’t have the technology, which you stated, so most need the DSS in order to succeed in this case.
>>> Of course, there are other ways for individuals to do things without the disability services getting involved; for instance, I always request my books from bookshare, so I don’t have to worry about the disability center not getting them to me on time. I think though, the key fact is that the disability center provides students with a safety blanket. You don’t have to advocate as much nor do you have to stress as much. If you go through a disability services center, then nine times out of ten they assist you in shouldering your burden. This, for a lot of people, can and probably does, act as relief.
>>>         I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gerardo 
>>> Corripio via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and 
>>> others
>>>
>>>   HI guys
>>> It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes 
>>> crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't 
>>> Braille out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you 
>>> think I managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known?
>>> By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at 
>>> first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents 
>>> read me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, 
>>> turning them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as 
>>> the semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the 
>>> classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or 
>>> other activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws 
>>> on the college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with 
>>> the teacher in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the 
>>> answers, printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates 
>>> took the test in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech 
>>> guys did computer maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
>>> Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or 
>>> so, my parents mostly, but also from time to time other family 
>>> members, recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, 
>>> and take notes on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents 
>>> had bought while in the States; as the second semester ended, 
>>> however, I guess I was lucky because the university donated for my 
>>> use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a scanner, to which I afterwards put 
>>> on Jaws and did all my assignments on there; they also donated me a 
>>> NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for taking notes etc; as I say 
>>> again, maybe it was luck, because I've contacted other college 
>>> students, and they only dream of having these technologies! I guess 
>>> it's one of the advantages of having gone to a private college, and 
>>> not a public university? So there you have it; 
>>> perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, 
>>> and teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my 
>>> abilities and made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these experiences worthwhile?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Enviado desde mi lap
>>> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki Saludos desde 
>>> Tampico, Tamaulipas México RompiendoBarreras espacio de 
>>> psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>>>
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 03:16:23 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:16:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with an iPhone 5
Message-ID: <4D201059-5123-49DC-A2A0-A7828FF1BE68@gmail.com>

Hi everyone! How are you all? Is it possible to record my classes with my iPhone 5? In other words, can I rcord my class with my iPhone 5 for one hour and fifteen minutes. And it is also possible to to go back and and forth in the recording? I'm just wondering. If you have tried this , please give me some suggestions how can I do it. I will really appreciate it a lot. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 03:24:20 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:24:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with an iPhone 5
Message-ID: <5490f786.0237320a.42e4.6581@mx.google.com>

It is possible to do, but it's awkward.  The app you use is 
called voice memos, and it records all right, but you can't 
really fast forward or rewind really well.  All you can do is 
jump around by I think it's 5 or 10 percent backward and forward.  
There may be other apps out there that do this better than the 
factory provided one though.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:16:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with an iPhone 5

Hi everyone! How are you all? Is it possible to record my classes 
with my iPhone 5? In other words, can I rcord my class with my 
iPhone 5 for one hour and fifteen minutes. And it is also 
possible to to go back and and forth in the recording? I'm just 
wondering. If you have tried this , please give me some 
suggestions how can I do it. I will really appreciate it a lot. 
Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota 
chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

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that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal 
life." John 3:16
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From grassflower111 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 05:19:02 2014
From: grassflower111 at gmail.com (Cherry)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 23:19:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] graphing talking calculator
Message-ID: <20141217051902.grassflower111@gmail.com>

 Hi everyone, 
 I'm wondering if any of you has been using the Orion Ti-83 graphing talking calculator. If yes, I have some questions to ask. 
 Wish the best to everyone.        


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 06:53:44 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:53:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with an iPhone 5
In-Reply-To: <5490f786.0237320a.42e4.6581@mx.google.com>
References: <5490f786.0237320a.42e4.6581@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYCx+zB-1RrfF+23OXfCKQkRtZ-R6ZfAq_Y0yDa4gXnCg@mail.gmail.com>

What I've been doing is using an app called Drop Vox (not Box, but Vox
with a V).  It's in the app store and costs $3 or $4, but it's well
worth the money.  It's a very simple app that produces MP3 recordings,
and syncs them directly into your Drop Box.  If you do not already
have Drop Box, accounts are free.

The nice thing about this is that I can go into Drop Box on my
computer and get the mp3, and put it on other devices to make moving
around the file easier.  I like to put them on my BookSense sometimes,
and others I just fast forward with windows media player.

I've been asked why I don't just record on my BookSense.  I used to do
this, but frankly the IPhone 5 does have better recording quality.
Second, I don't usually have my BookSense with me since I don't use
audio to read much, and my phone is always there.

I would recommend making sure you have a charger with you if you're
going to do this though.  My phone usually dies at the end of 70
minutes or so if it's recording the whole time, although I have an
IPhone 4 that is pretty old.  Nevertheless, if you're going to do this
for multiple classes, you're battery is going to take a hit.

Hope this helps,

On 12/16/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> It is possible to do, but it's awkward.  The app you use is
> called voice memos, and it records all right, but you can't
> really fast forward or rewind really well.  All you can do is
> jump around by I think it's 5 or 10 percent backward and forward.
> There may be other apps out there that do this better than the
> factory provided one though.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:16:23 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with an iPhone 5
>
> Hi everyone! How are you all? Is it possible to record my classes
> with my iPhone 5? In other words, can I rcord my class with my
> iPhone 5 for one hour and fifteen minutes. And it is also
> possible to to go back and and forth in the recording? I'm just
> wondering. If you have tried this , please give me some
> suggestions how can I do it. I will really appreciate it a lot.
> Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota
> chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida
> Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,
> that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal
> life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone
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-- 
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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 09:05:12 2014
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:05:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with an iPhone 5
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYCx+zB-1RrfF+23OXfCKQkRtZ-R6ZfAq_Y0yDa4gXnCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5490f786.0237320a.42e4.6581@mx.google.com>
	<CAFja7FYCx+zB-1RrfF+23OXfCKQkRtZ-R6ZfAq_Y0yDa4gXnCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5EDD4C7A-8CF4-499A-85C4-769C3A4D3CD6@gmail.com>

I do this, too. Good news for iPhone 6 users, the battery does not drain after just one recording. I recorded a two hour long meeting and still had 50%!
Jewel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> What I've been doing is using an app called Drop Vox (not Box, but Vox
> with a V).  It's in the app store and costs $3 or $4, but it's well
> worth the money.  It's a very simple app that produces MP3 recordings,
> and syncs them directly into your Drop Box.  If you do not already
> have Drop Box, accounts are free.
> 
> The nice thing about this is that I can go into Drop Box on my
> computer and get the mp3, and put it on other devices to make moving
> around the file easier.  I like to put them on my BookSense sometimes,
> and others I just fast forward with windows media player.
> 
> I've been asked why I don't just record on my BookSense.  I used to do
> this, but frankly the IPhone 5 does have better recording quality.
> Second, I don't usually have my BookSense with me since I don't use
> audio to read much, and my phone is always there.
> 
> I would recommend making sure you have a charger with you if you're
> going to do this though.  My phone usually dies at the end of 70
> minutes or so if it's recording the whole time, although I have an
> IPhone 4 that is pretty old.  Nevertheless, if you're going to do this
> for multiple classes, you're battery is going to take a hit.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
>> On 12/16/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> It is possible to do, but it's awkward.  The app you use is
>> called voice memos, and it records all right, but you can't
>> really fast forward or rewind really well.  All you can do is
>> jump around by I think it's 5 or 10 percent backward and forward.
>> There may be other apps out there that do this better than the
>> factory provided one though.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:16:23 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with an iPhone 5
>> 
>> Hi everyone! How are you all? Is it possible to record my classes
>> with my iPhone 5? In other words, can I rcord my class with my
>> iPhone 5 for one hour and fifteen minutes. And it is also
>> possible to to go back and and forth in the recording? I'm just
>> wondering. If you have tried this , please give me some
>> suggestions how can I do it. I will really appreciate it a lot.
>> Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber
>> 
>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota
>> chapter.
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida
>> Association of Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,
>> that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal
>> life." John 3:16
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 12:24:53 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:24:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] graphing talking calculator
Message-ID: <54917618.845f3c0a.1673.ffff88e1@mx.google.com>

I use the calculator, but I mainly use it for statistical 
functions. If your questions pertain to stats, I'll be happy to 
try and help. If you're looking for a graphing expert, I might 
not be your girl.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Cherry via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 23:19:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] graphing talking calculator

 Hi everyone,
 I'm wondering if any of you has been using the Orion Ti-83 
graphing talking calculator. If yes, I have some questions to 
ask.
 Wish the best to everyone.

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From jordyn2493 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 12:25:51 2014
From: jordyn2493 at gmail.com (Jordyn Castor)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:25:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] graphing talking calculator
In-Reply-To: <20141217051902.grassflower111@gmail.com>
References: <20141217051902.grassflower111@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B7F25FCB-15FD-402D-A0BF-3260D79A718C@gmail.com>

Hello,

I do use the Orion TI84 talking graphing calculator. Feel free to ask me anything. 😄

Jordyn Castor
(Sent from iPhone)

> On Dec 17, 2014, at 12:19 AM, Cherry via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, 
> I'm wondering if any of you has been using the Orion Ti-83 graphing talking calculator. If yes, I have some questions to ask. 
> Wish the best to everyone.        
> 
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Wed Dec 17 15:12:36 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:12:36 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] graphing talking calculator
In-Reply-To: <B7F25FCB-15FD-402D-A0BF-3260D79A718C@gmail.com>
References: <20141217051902.grassflower111@gmail.com>,
	<B7F25FCB-15FD-402D-A0BF-3260D79A718C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6E58D22-B55D-4043-8699-B4A41CFF2CF9@unr.edu>

About two or three years ago, when I was taking advanced placement statistics in high school, my high school teacher contacted Orbit (the company that makes the audio graphing calculator), and we were allowed to beta test it. I haven't touched it since; however, I too may be able to answer questions.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2014, at 4:26 AM, Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I do use the Orion TI84 talking graphing calculator. Feel free to ask me anything. 😄
> 
> Jordyn Castor
> (Sent from iPhone)
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 12:19 AM, Cherry via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, 
>> I'm wondering if any of you has been using the Orion Ti-83 graphing talking calculator. If yes, I have some questions to ask. 
>> Wish the best to everyone.        
>> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 15:18:57 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:18:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
In-Reply-To: <CADUoy9tLYd8s3RKeZ1YLv04eA5og=osXfe5YuS8k6_8Z-RzdZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <548f8ed6.c5aa320a.1889.13f2@mx.google.com>
	<9083A95C-2B0E-4D4B-A845-6C2656A2DB1C@fuse.net>
	<CADUoy9vDNPuXNDVqORHZcVof89MnnSCpzoDFM-SUJpW_0iPaAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E2B06B2A6756451198DBD717437FF038@OwnerPC>
	<CADUoy9tLYd8s3RKeZ1YLv04eA5og=osXfe5YuS8k6_8Z-RzdZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E51CF00-902F-44F1-8AFF-9F6391300E07@gmail.com>

Hi Joshua I also gave these sheets to my professors  when I was attending the cokmunity college. N my professors get my accommodation letters via email before the semester begins. I also send an introduction email to them notifying them that I will be in their class. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:46 PM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Ashley.  I know about the acomidation sheets you mentioned.  I gave
> them to my instructors in college all the time.  But, I had to get
> them from my DSS office like you also mentioned.  As I progressed
> through college, I became better at asking teachers for the help I
> needed.  In the beginning some of the teachers would ask me how they
> could best help me, but later on, I'd aproach a teacher either before,
> or after class, and speak to them, if I had a problem or a question.
> No blind person should be afraid to ask for the help they need.  I
> remember one of my teachers for a history class substituted me calling
> her on the phone and talking to her instead of a face to face office
> visit which was one of the requirements for her class.  Overall I'd
> say my instructors were very acomidating and gave me the help I need.
> The one teacher who didn't want me in his science class, I was able to
> take an alternative online class which worked out very well for me.
> These discussions are always very interesting.
> 
>> On 12/15/14, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> 
>> I agree. While I never had issues ordering recorded texts,
>> since my TVI taught me that, I did rely on dss for accessible handouts at
>> the beginning.
>> As I got more comfortable with technology and scanners, I relied less on
>> them for that.
>> 
>> I think DSS should be used in moderation as lilly said.
>> I also feel its in the amount of inaccessible things. For instance, I think
>> 
>> a blind student can and should scan small handouts themselves if they are
>> not accessible already via the professor's emailing them.
>> But if its major readings like 20 plus pages, I think it may be reasonable
>> for dss to do it. I say this because its time consuming to scan and scan and
>> 
>> if you let dss do it, they can edit for you.
>> So, its all an individual thing.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:14 PM
>> To: Lillie Pennington ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>> 
>> Lily. I agree with you.  When I was first in college, I really didn't
>> know all that much, about getting textbooks and the best way to get
>> handouts.  At first, I visited my DSS office quite frequently to get
>> handouts, or textbooks on mp3 cd.  But as the years went on, I learned
>> how to use the computer better, and how to get some books from
>> learning ally which meant I didn't have to use the DSS office as
>> often.  I always felt that my DSS office did a very nice job helping
>> me in my early college years.  I'm very greatful my college had a
>> tutoring center where I could go to get tutoring in classes especially
>> math.  Math is the reason why it took me so long to get my associates
>> degree.  Geometry was not fun.  It took me four hours to complete the
>> geometry final.  Good luck all in your persuing of your high school,
>> or college careers.  I wish more blind people would go to college.  I
>> know a couple people who don't go to college.
>> 
>>> On 12/15/14, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I personally would not trust myself to honestly to do a take-home exam.
>>> Also, as has been pointed out previously, family support is not as
>>> accessible in some cases, for example, where there is a complete lack of
>>> support, or if a student lives farther away from home, like I am
>>> planning.
>>> While I agree that disability services should not hold her hands for us
>>> and
>>> do everything, I do not think that they should be completely dismissed. I
>>> think, if used in moderation, and effectively, the DSS office can be a
>>> valuable tool for success.
>>> Granted, I do not have experience with disability services offices
>>> directly
>>> because I am a junior in high school still. However, from stories I have
>>> heard on here, and other stories I have heard through friends, I have
>>> formed
>>> my own opinion.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> As someone who is going to become a college professor, I would never
>>>> allow
>>>> a student to take a test unproctored.  I've had professors offer to let
>>>> me
>>>> do that, and once or twice I have just out of convenience, but I have
>>>> too
>>>> many blind friends who use their blindness as an excuse to take tests on
>>>> their notetakers or worse yet at home so they can cheat by looking at
>>>> the
>>>> book and their notes.  The level of cheating that goes on in DSS offices
>>>> is horrifying (I know, I've worked there) without even getting into
>>>> giving
>>>> blind people the chance to take in class exams as takehomes.
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com>, "National Association of
>>>> BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:28:37 +0000
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and
>>>> others
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Gerardo:
>>>>   First, I’d like to say that your experience is admirable and
>>>> definitely
>>>> worthwhile and one that ought to be heard; after all, as you pointed
>>>> out,
>>>> a large majority of blind individuals belief or seem to believe: if
>>>> there
>>>> is no disability service, then failure is inevitable.
>>>>   With that said, however, I must point out a few things which are
>>>> necessary, in order for something like your story to work successfully.
>>>> 1)    A student must have family support. In some cases, especially when
>>>> an individual is not an only child, family members may not always be
>>>> able
>>>> or willing to assist a student to the degree which is necessary (I.E.
>>>> reading papers, recording books etc.). If there is zero family support,
>>>> the chance of success is exponentially decreases, for both sited folks
>>>> and
>>>> blind.
>>>> 2)    A student must have professor(s) trust. I also have had occasions
>>>> where professors have given me the exam to take home or to do away from
>>>> my
>>>> disability center. In my case, it was either because the professor did
>>>> not
>>>> want to deal with the Disability services office or they did not trust
>>>> the
>>>> disability services office (professors are interesting creatures). In
>>>> either case, if a professor gives you the exam like this, they have to
>>>> trust that you will not cheat in some way shape or form. Many students,
>>>> if
>>>> they do not advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their
>>>> instructors.
>>>> 3)    Technology rocks, that is, if you manage to get your hands on
>>>> technology which can help you succeed, then you may not need a
>>>> disability
>>>> center; however, most students don’t have the technology, which you
>>>> stated, so most need the DSS in order to succeed in this case.
>>>> Of course, there are other ways for individuals to do things without the
>>>> disability services getting involved; for instance, I always request my
>>>> books from bookshare, so I don’t have to worry about the disability
>>>> center
>>>> not getting them to me on time. I think though, the key fact is that the
>>>> disability center provides students with a safety blanket. You don’t
>>>> have
>>>> to advocate as much nor do you have to stress as much. If you go through
>>>> 
>>>> a
>>>> disability services center, then nine times out of ten they assist you
>>>> in
>>>> shouldering your burden. This, for a lot of people, can and probably
>>>> does,
>>>> act as relief.
>>>>   I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Michael
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gerardo Corripio
>>>> via
>>>> nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>>>> 
>>>> HI guys
>>>> It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes
>>>> crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille
>>>> out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I
>>>> managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known?
>>>> By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at
>>>> first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read
>>>> me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning
>>>> them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the
>>>> semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the
>>>> classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or other
>>>> activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on the
>>>> college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the teacher
>>>> in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers,
>>>> printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took the test
>>>> in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did computer
>>>> maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
>>>> Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my
>>>> parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members,
>>>> recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes
>>>> on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in
>>>> the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky
>>>> because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a
>>>> scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on
>>>> there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for
>>>> taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've
>>>> contacted other college students, and they only dream of having these
>>>> technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone to a
>>>> private college, and not a public university? So there you have it;
>>>> perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, and
>>>> teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and
>>>> made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these
>>>> experiences worthwhile?
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Enviado desde mi lap
>>>> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
>>>> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 15:40:11 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:40:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Bill Brown's Piano by ear for me?
Message-ID: <5491A3DB.1060808@gmail.com>

  HI guys
I imagine that being a student, also implies not only academics but also 
extra activities, for instance playing the piano? thus the deal is this: 
I used to be a piano student, almost ten years, thus reaching according 
to my piano teacher back then, an advanced level! to the point where I 
played Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, Schubert's AVe Maria among other 
advanced pieces. However the drawback is since I learned by ear only all 
those years, when I sit in front of a piano nowadays, I get very 
frustrated! somehow my muscle memory doesn't cooperate in that I don't 
remember the finger patterns! thus I wonder, Bill Brown's Piano by ear 
series, is it obligatory I start from the Intro to the Piano courses, or 
being the category of piano playing I gained from almost ten years of 
playing, can I start from any song I want? I want to make sure my 
investment (if Santa decides to bring it to me that is) is worthwhile! 
Also, using a keyboard instead of a piano, is it OK, according to your 
experiences? Thanks for feedback! I've always felt very relaxed after 
playing a song or two, thus would like to get into the hang of piano again!

-- 
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From pulyperez1 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 16:11:39 2014
From: pulyperez1 at gmail.com (Precious)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:11:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bill Brown's Piano by ear for me?
Message-ID: <5491ab49.a1628c0a.1686.ffffa942@mx.google.com>

Hi!,
  There is an NFB  list serve called musictalk, that focuses 
specifically on all things music.  You may be able to get more 
insight on this if you try there.

Thanks!,
Precious


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 18 00:50:26 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:50:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with an iPhone 5
In-Reply-To: <4D201059-5123-49DC-A2A0-A7828FF1BE68@gmail.com>
References: <4D201059-5123-49DC-A2A0-A7828FF1BE68@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <780D13CA5F2B4DCA9BFD8B590A27038B@OwnerPC>

Hi helga,

I'd recommend something giving you better sound quality and flexibility. 
Olympus has some talking digital recorders.
and your portable book player will have a record feature if you have one. I 
mean things like the book sense and victor stream.

Its possible with the iphone, but  some aps will not let you fastforward.

hth,

ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:16 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with an iPhone 5

Hi everyone! How are you all? Is it possible to record my classes with my 
iPhone 5? In other words, can I rcord my class with my iPhone 5 for one hour 
and fifteen minutes. And it is also possible to to go back and and forth in 
the recording? I'm just wondering. If you have tried this , please give me 
some suggestions how can I do it. I will really appreciate it a lot. Hope to 
hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 00:56:07 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:56:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with an iPhone 5
Message-ID: <5492263d.4431ca0a.8e20.ffffd62d@mx.google.com>

Hi Helga I'd also recommend the olympus digital recorder.  I use 
that to record my class lectures this semester.


From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 01:09:09 2014
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:09:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with an iPhone 5
In-Reply-To: <5492263d.4431ca0a.8e20.ffffd62d@mx.google.com>
References: <5492263d.4431ca0a.8e20.ffffd62d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAHEy+8U5iH0pF2de1Yu2+0Gr_eL3daKk_WE-QVvzrU8A1esVqw@mail.gmail.com>

I personally use my Victor Reader to record my lectures. I know that
this thread is about the iPHONE 5, but this device can hold a lot of
recorded lectures. I average around 110 per semester and I have plenty
of room left with my 32GB memory card.

Good luck

Jonathan Franks
Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
Treasurer
Texas Association of Blind Students

On 12/17/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Helga I'd also recommend the olympus digital recorder.  I use
> that to record my class lectures this semester.
>
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From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu  Thu Dec 18 02:56:16 2014
From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 02:56:16 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Really?
Message-ID: <E411C543-616D-4D5E-AAAC-70EEF9BB5E3B@mtmail.mtsu.edu>


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2014/1217/Kansas-City-school-punishes-blind-boy-by-replacing-cane-with-pool-noodle-video

Kansas City school punishes blind boy by replacing cane with pool noodle (+video)

The decision to punish a blind child by replacing his mobility cane with a swimming pool noodle is an “extra nasty step,” says a director at the American Council of the Blind<http://acb.org/>.

Dakota Nafzinger<http://fox4kc.com/2014/12/16/north-kansas-city-school-takes-away-blind-childs-cane-replaces-it-with-pool-noodle/>, age eight, is a student at Gracemor Elementary School in Kansas City. He was born without eyes, <http://www.nkcschools.org/page.cfm?p=1828> and relies on his white mobility cane for personal freedom and the ability to move freely about his environment, according to FOX 4 in Kansas City<http://fox4kc.com/2014/12/16/north-kansas-city-school-takes-away-blind-childs-cane-replaces-it-with-pool-noodle/>.

North Kansas City Schools spokeswoman Michelle Cronk told the media that Dakota hit somebody with his cane while riding the bus and his punishment was to have his cane taken away and replaced with a foam pool noodle.

Recommended: The top 5 things never to ask your child right after school</The-Culture/Family/2012/1220/The-top-5-things-never-to-ask-your-child-right-after-school/How-was-school-today>

Ms. Cronk also reportedly said that Dakota was given the pool noodle not as a replacement for a mobility device, but rather because he needed something to hold in order to avoid fidgeting. The school also reportedly said that it owned the cane and gave it to the boy at the beginning of the school year.

In a statement released by Cronk Wednesday afternoon, the district reversed its earlier decision.

The District has reviewed the situation. We regret that a mistake was made in making sure the student was in possession of his cane when he boarded the bus Monday evening.

The District has apologized to the family and is working to rectify the situation. When we were made aware of the mistake, corrections were made. It is always the District’s policy when we become aware of situations like this, we thoroughly and immediately investigate to ensure a safe learning environment for all students.

 In a phone call Cronk, says: “We’ve been taking a lot of heat from the local community over this.”

Eric Bridges, director of external relations and policy for the American Council of the Blind (ACB) says in a phone interview from his office in Arlington, Va.,  that the act of taking a blind child’s cane from him as a form of punishment was “absolutely wrong and something which impedes the child’s mobility.”

“To do what this school did to this student is just beyond the pale,” says Mr. Bridges, who is blind himself. “If you want to punish a blind child then punish him the same way you punish a sighted child – detention, suspension, sitting on a bench in the hallway. What this school did was just an extra nasty step of demeaning the child, humiliating him and robbing him of his mobility.”

Bridges adds that even if the school supplied a guide to constantly be by the boy’s side, the addition of the pool noodle adds a dimension of humiliation that is unacceptable.

“There’s already enough stigma that comes with the white cane,” Bridges added. “A pool noodle? Because he fidgets? I honestly don’t know which is worse, taking his freedom of mobility or the total public humiliation.”

Dakota’s father, Donald Nafzinger told the media that his son lifts his cane sometimes and the bus driver thought he was using it violently.

“All around, he’s a good little guy, and he shouldn’t be treated the way he’s being treated,” Mr. Nafzinger said.

Bridges adds, “It’s honestly very hard for me to get my mind around what it would take for an educated adult to come up with that punishment,” Bridges says in exasperation. “It’s almost as if another eight-year-old thought that one up.”

James Alan Boehm
Contact Information:
Phone: 901-483-1515
Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com<mailto:jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org<mailto:secretary at nfb-tn.org>
Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com<mailto:kustomcane at gmail.com>

Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want!





From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 11:17:56 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 06:17:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Really?
In-Reply-To: <E411C543-616D-4D5E-AAAC-70EEF9BB5E3B@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
References: <E411C543-616D-4D5E-AAAC-70EEF9BB5E3B@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
Message-ID: <13348866-D397-47C7-958B-107F76AEE0EB@gmail.com>

I saw this and was infuriated. This goes way too far. One cannot use a pool noodle for a cane. Especially when some bend. 

Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
"The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian proverb 
 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:56 PM, James Alan Boehm via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2014/1217/Kansas-City-school-punishes-blind-boy-by-replacing-cane-with-pool-noodle-video
> 
> Kansas City school punishes blind boy by replacing cane with pool noodle (+video)
> 
> The decision to punish a blind child by replacing his mobility cane with a swimming pool noodle is an “extra nasty step,” says a director at the American Council of the Blind<http://acb.org/>.
> 
> Dakota Nafzinger<http://fox4kc.com/2014/12/16/north-kansas-city-school-takes-away-blind-childs-cane-replaces-it-with-pool-noodle/>, age eight, is a student at Gracemor Elementary School in Kansas City. He was born without eyes, <http://www.nkcschools.org/page.cfm?p=1828> and relies on his white mobility cane for personal freedom and the ability to move freely about his environment, according to FOX 4 in Kansas City<http://fox4kc.com/2014/12/16/north-kansas-city-school-takes-away-blind-childs-cane-replaces-it-with-pool-noodle/>.
> 
> North Kansas City Schools spokeswoman Michelle Cronk told the media that Dakota hit somebody with his cane while riding the bus and his punishment was to have his cane taken away and replaced with a foam pool noodle.
> 
> Recommended: The top 5 things never to ask your child right after school</The-Culture/Family/2012/1220/The-top-5-things-never-to-ask-your-child-right-after-school/How-was-school-today>
> 
> Ms. Cronk also reportedly said that Dakota was given the pool noodle not as a replacement for a mobility device, but rather because he needed something to hold in order to avoid fidgeting. The school also reportedly said that it owned the cane and gave it to the boy at the beginning of the school year.
> 
> In a statement released by Cronk Wednesday afternoon, the district reversed its earlier decision.
> 
> The District has reviewed the situation. We regret that a mistake was made in making sure the student was in possession of his cane when he boarded the bus Monday evening.
> 
> The District has apologized to the family and is working to rectify the situation. When we were made aware of the mistake, corrections were made. It is always the District’s policy when we become aware of situations like this, we thoroughly and immediately investigate to ensure a safe learning environment for all students.
> 
> In a phone call Cronk, says: “We’ve been taking a lot of heat from the local community over this.”
> 
> Eric Bridges, director of external relations and policy for the American Council of the Blind (ACB) says in a phone interview from his office in Arlington, Va.,  that the act of taking a blind child’s cane from him as a form of punishment was “absolutely wrong and something which impedes the child’s mobility.”
> 
> “To do what this school did to this student is just beyond the pale,” says Mr. Bridges, who is blind himself. “If you want to punish a blind child then punish him the same way you punish a sighted child – detention, suspension, sitting on a bench in the hallway. What this school did was just an extra nasty step of demeaning the child, humiliating him and robbing him of his mobility.”
> 
> Bridges adds that even if the school supplied a guide to constantly be by the boy’s side, the addition of the pool noodle adds a dimension of humiliation that is unacceptable.
> 
> “There’s already enough stigma that comes with the white cane,” Bridges added. “A pool noodle? Because he fidgets? I honestly don’t know which is worse, taking his freedom of mobility or the total public humiliation.”
> 
> Dakota’s father, Donald Nafzinger told the media that his son lifts his cane sometimes and the bus driver thought he was using it violently.
> 
> “All around, he’s a good little guy, and he shouldn’t be treated the way he’s being treated,” Mr. Nafzinger said.
> 
> Bridges adds, “It’s honestly very hard for me to get my mind around what it would take for an educated adult to come up with that punishment,” Bridges says in exasperation. “It’s almost as if another eight-year-old thought that one up.”
> 
> James Alan Boehm
> Contact Information:
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com<mailto:jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
> NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org<mailto:secretary at nfb-tn.org>
> Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com<mailto:kustomcane at gmail.com>
> 
> Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 18 12:53:31 2014
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:53:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
In-Reply-To: <548F5930.2050505@gmail.com>
References: <548F5930.2050505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS101C832CBDD24F90C927C4DDC6A0@phx.gbl>

In general, it is usually the case that, public/state schools have better resources than private ones.

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> HI guys
> It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known? By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or other activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on the college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the teacher in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers, printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took the test in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did computer maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
> Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members, recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've contacted other college students, and they only dream of having these technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone to a private college, and not a public university? So there you have it; perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, and teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these experiences worthwhile?
> 
> -- 
> Enviado desde mi lap
> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
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> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 17:04:50 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:04:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Really?
In-Reply-To: <13348866-D397-47C7-958B-107F76AEE0EB@gmail.com>
References: <E411C543-616D-4D5E-AAAC-70EEF9BB5E3B@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
	<13348866-D397-47C7-958B-107F76AEE0EB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZM8eOzgF_D36eCMYdSM+yPUQwtVp01mGZvpYg8HZhvUg@mail.gmail.com>

I'd love to see an O&M instructor comment on this.  That will be priceless!

KC Schools, say hello to Lady Justice!  This won't stand; the parents
will fight back, and they'll win for sure.

We're well past the days of putting children in the corner with the
dunce cap on to humiliate them.  Teachers all know that all students,
no matter how poorly they behave, should be made to feel included and
secure in a learning environment.  What infuriates me more than a
school official taking the cane away and giving the kid a pool noodle,
is that, out of all the faculty who saw this kid using the pool noodle
that day, no one stepped up and tried to positively intervene.

On 12/18/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I saw this and was infuriated. This goes way too far. One cannot use a pool
> noodle for a cane. Especially when some bend.
>
> Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas
> Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
> Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> "The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian
> proverb
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:56 PM, James Alan Boehm via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2014/1217/Kansas-City-school-punishes-blind-boy-by-replacing-cane-with-pool-noodle-video
>>
>> Kansas City school punishes blind boy by replacing cane with pool noodle
>> (+video)
>>
>> The decision to punish a blind child by replacing his mobility cane with a
>> swimming pool noodle is an "extra nasty step," says a director at the
>> American Council of the Blind<http://acb.org/>.
>>
>> Dakota
>> Nafzinger<http://fox4kc.com/2014/12/16/north-kansas-city-school-takes-away-blind-childs-cane-replaces-it-with-pool-noodle/>,
>> age eight, is a student at Gracemor Elementary School in Kansas City. He
>> was born without eyes, <http://www.nkcschools.org/page.cfm?p=1828> and
>> relies on his white mobility cane for personal freedom and the ability to
>> move freely about his environment, according to FOX 4 in Kansas
>> City<http://fox4kc.com/2014/12/16/north-kansas-city-school-takes-away-blind-childs-cane-replaces-it-with-pool-noodle/>.
>>
>> North Kansas City Schools spokeswoman Michelle Cronk told the media that
>> Dakota hit somebody with his cane while riding the bus and his punishment
>> was to have his cane taken away and replaced with a foam pool noodle.
>>
>> Recommended: The top 5 things never to ask your child right after
>> school</The-Culture/Family/2012/1220/The-top-5-things-never-to-ask-your-child-right-after-school/How-was-school-today>
>>
>> Ms. Cronk also reportedly said that Dakota was given the pool noodle not
>> as a replacement for a mobility device, but rather because he needed
>> something to hold in order to avoid fidgeting. The school also reportedly
>> said that it owned the cane and gave it to the boy at the beginning of the
>> school year.
>>
>> In a statement released by Cronk Wednesday afternoon, the district
>> reversed its earlier decision.
>>
>> The District has reviewed the situation. We regret that a mistake was made
>> in making sure the student was in possession of his cane when he boarded
>> the bus Monday evening.
>>
>> The District has apologized to the family and is working to rectify the
>> situation. When we were made aware of the mistake, corrections were made.
>> It is always the District's policy when we become aware of situations like
>> this, we thoroughly and immediately investigate to ensure a safe learning
>> environment for all students.
>>
>> In a phone call Cronk, says: "We've been taking a lot of heat from the
>> local community over this."
>>
>> Eric Bridges, director of external relations and policy for the American
>> Council of the Blind (ACB) says in a phone interview from his office in
>> Arlington, Va.,  that the act of taking a blind child's cane from him as a
>> form of punishment was "absolutely wrong and something which impedes the
>> child's mobility."
>>
>> "To do what this school did to this student is just beyond the pale," says
>> Mr. Bridges, who is blind himself. "If you want to punish a blind child
>> then punish him the same way you punish a sighted child - detention,
>> suspension, sitting on a bench in the hallway. What this school did was
>> just an extra nasty step of demeaning the child, humiliating him and
>> robbing him of his mobility."
>>
>> Bridges adds that even if the school supplied a guide to constantly be by
>> the boy's side, the addition of the pool noodle adds a dimension of
>> humiliation that is unacceptable.
>>
>> "There's already enough stigma that comes with the white cane," Bridges
>> added. "A pool noodle? Because he fidgets? I honestly don't know which is
>> worse, taking his freedom of mobility or the total public humiliation."
>>
>> Dakota's father, Donald Nafzinger told the media that his son lifts his
>> cane sometimes and the bus driver thought he was using it violently.
>>
>> "All around, he's a good little guy, and he shouldn't be treated the way
>> he's being treated," Mr. Nafzinger said.
>>
>> Bridges adds, "It's honestly very hard for me to get my mind around what
>> it would take for an educated adult to come up with that punishment,"
>> Bridges says in exasperation. "It's almost as if another eight-year-old
>> thought that one up."
>>
>> James Alan Boehm
>> Contact Information:
>> Phone: 901-483-1515
>> Personal Email:
>> jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com<mailto:jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
>> NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org<mailto:secretary at nfb-tn.org>
>> Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com<mailto:kustomcane at gmail.com>
>>
>> Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 17:08:59 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:08:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with an iPhone 5
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Jewel,

That's encouraging news.  My 4 is giving out on me, so I'll look
forward to getting my IPhone 6 even more now!

Olympises are nice, but there are also benefits to using an IPhone if
you've got it.  Mainly, you don't have to carry around multiple
devices when a dedicated unit isn't necessary for the job.

On 12/17/14, jonathan franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I personally use my Victor Reader to record my lectures. I know that
> this thread is about the iPHONE 5, but this device can hold a lot of
> recorded lectures. I average around 110 per semester and I have plenty
> of room left with my 32GB memory card.
>
> Good luck
>
> Jonathan Franks
> Board Member
> National Federation of the Blind of Texas
> Treasurer
> Texas Association of Blind Students
>
> On 12/17/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Helga I'd also recommend the olympus digital recorder.  I use
>> that to record my class lectures this semester.
>>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 17:13:11 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:13:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bill Brown's Piano by ear for me?
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Hi all,

Piano, keyboard, it doesn't make much of a difference.  I'm a music
major and use the two interchangeably depending on what I've got at my
disposal at the time.

I don't think you'd need to start from the very beginning.  I think
the muscle memory will come back with practice, so just pick a song
and go for it.  I do know that for the guitar series Bill Brown
produces he gives finger positions for chords that are new.  At least
with those parts of the piece that are trickier for that level of
player, you should be able to get a refresher on how to finger or
voice the chord.

Also, the music talk list can be kind of weird.  It's mainly for
people who are hobbiests, but don't necessarily all do instrumental
piano.  A lot of the conversations are on recording and things like
that.  If you want a really good music list to join, join the Music
Education Network for the Visually Impaired.  Their list can be found
at menvi.org.

On 12/17/14, Precious via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi!,
>   There is an NFB  list serve called musictalk, that focuses
> specifically on all things music.  You may be able to get more
> insight on this if you try there.
>
> Thanks!,
> Precious
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 17:33:32 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:33:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Bill Brown's Piano by ear for me?
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZ2U=d6VF=StR4pXjFb7ktTa9xOO36ds9jd+CrAxOyuCg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <54930FEC.90807@gmail.com>

  Wow thanks! I've been wondering if there was a list for music with 
visual impairments! I'l definitely subscribe!

El 18/12/2014 11:13 a.m., Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l escribió:
> Hi all,
>
> Piano, keyboard, it doesn't make much of a difference.  I'm a music
> major and use the two interchangeably depending on what I've got at my
> disposal at the time.
>
> I don't think you'd need to start from the very beginning.  I think
> the muscle memory will come back with practice, so just pick a song
> and go for it.  I do know that for the guitar series Bill Brown
> produces he gives finger positions for chords that are new.  At least
> with those parts of the piece that are trickier for that level of
> player, you should be able to get a refresher on how to finger or
> voice the chord.
>
> Also, the music talk list can be kind of weird.  It's mainly for
> people who are hobbiests, but don't necessarily all do instrumental
> piano.  A lot of the conversations are on recording and things like
> that.  If you want a really good music list to join, join the Music
> Education Network for the Visually Impaired.  Their list can be found
> at menvi.org.
>
> On 12/17/14, Precious via nabs-l<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  wrote:
>> Hi!,
>>    There is an NFB  list serve called musictalk, that focuses
>> specifically on all things music.  You may be able to get more
>> insight on this if you try there.
>>
>> Thanks!,
>> Precious
>>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 17:40:36 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:40:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
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Hi all,

Absolutely to the original post!  I think that experience is
meritable, and worthwhile.

I work in my university's OLR (Office of Learning Resources, it's the
DS office plus it handles tutoring, techn training, and teacher
evaluations).  It's a great group of people working on staff, but I do
know they have a high incidence of cheating and have to monitor a lot
for it.  For example, on the rare occasion that I do take a test in
there, I know I'm always being watched on camera that can show close
ups of my computer monitor, as well as if I were to get out another
device I managed to sneak into the testing room with me to look up an
answer.  Once when I was taking a stats exam, and the proctor left the
door open a crack, I even heard her confronting another student about
cheating.  Apparently, he had written formulas on the inside of his
arm for his pre-calc exam when the class was supposed to know them.
He tried to deny it, but the formulas were still there.

I've had an interesting college experience, because I haven't used a
lot of the services that other students use.  E.G, I have never used a
reader or a scribe for tests or homework.  I have dictated part of my
test to a professor twice this semester, but that was because to do it
myself would have taken me an hour at best, and this way it took me 20
minutes.  I've been fortunate to learn where to get books, and to have
a DS office fill in when I can't find the ones I need in ready-to-go
condition.

However, for tests I think I'm somewhat different.  I hate testing in
the DS office, mainly because it throws off my schedule, and is
unnecessary most of the time.  Of course I'd go there to take a math
exam where I would undoubtedly need extended time, but if I'm taking
something for psychology, history, or something else I don't usually
require beyond average time.  I also prefer to take tests in the
classroom because the teacher is there if I have a question about the
test.  I've built up enough rapport with my music professors that, if
I need a few extra minutes to finish an exam or need to do something
differently, they're usually either happy to wait around a few
minutes, have me come by their office hours some time that day to
finish up, or schedule an earlier start time with me in advance if
they can't hang around after the test.  The only tests I have ever
been given to take home have all been open book anyway, so in those
cases using notes and other materials was encouraged.  I've never
tried to persuade a professor into giving me a test that wasn't
supposed to be taken at home though.

I have a few things to point out about what was originally said about
family support.  First, I don't think being an only child/having
siblings has anything to do it.  I'm the oldest of 3, and my younger
brother also has a learning disability.  Growing up, my parents, even
though hey both worked and also had my non-disabled sister in addition
to the two of us on IEPs, were always willing to help in ways that
were needed for all 3 of us.  This included reading to me when I
didn't have braille, scribing or transcribing brailled homework when
technology went down, and drilling my brother on reading and
memorizing for his math and reading comprehension.  My sister also
came to my mom for help, too; I do know that my mom helped her a lot
when she was struggling in history and French in high school.  I also
have to agree that, no matter how supportive a family is, if you're
further away they won't be able to help.  Hopefully, the family will
have been supportive enough to teach the student how to manage on
their own or ask appropriate people for assistance when the parents
aren't there.  I live an hour away from home, so I can't go to my mom
and ask her to read or scribe something.

I think it's really key to talk to your professors in advance, and I
personally prefer to try to do as much work between the professor and
I as possible.  I'm a big fan of having the professors give me a flash
drive or send me an email with test documents, and for me to send it
back to them when I'm done.  Most of my professors have done this with
no problems.  A few have asked the OLR to scan the test and send it to
me, but that's something they could do if they wanted to as well.
Additionally, I've also had professors test me outside of class, and
this has worked great in situations like in my conducting class where
I needed to demonstrate knowledge rather than write down answers.

I won't deny that Ds isn't helpful, because sometimes they can be, but
I don't interact with them more than a handful of times each semester.
I know of students who go to the DS office at their school for
something they need every single day just about, and unless you're in
a ridiculously visual major that shouldn't be necessary provided you
know how to work with your professors and find resources on your own.
Another thing I have noticed is that some blind people, including
students, feel like they should never have to pay for any technology
whatsoever because the state should get it for them.  While I
certainly use a state-purchased notetaker and had a state-purchased
laptop for a while, I know the laptop I have now is something my
family and I bought, I have my own jaws license, and other odds and
ends.  I know some students who will even ask voc rehab to pay for new
canes, which is seriously overstretching it.

On 12/18/14, wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> In general, it is usually the case that, public/state schools have better
> resources than private ones.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 4:57 PM, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> HI guys
>> It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes crashing
>> down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille out tests,
>> make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I managed in a
>> country where disability services aren't heard of or known? By talking
>> with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at first, they
>> allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read me the tests
>> and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning them to the
>> teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the semesters wore on,
>> the teachers graduated to seeing them in the classroom in a time when my
>> classmates were out eating lunch or other activities, and orally test me;
>> another time, I installed Jaws on the college's computer and I'd go and
>> take the test there with the teacher in that she'd read me the questions,
>> and I'd type in the answers, printing it out afterwards, generally before
>> my classmates took the test in the classroom, but can you believe when the
>> tech guys did computer maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
>> Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my
>> parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members, recorded
>> the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes on an old
>> Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in the States;
>> as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky because the
>> university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a scanner, to
>> which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on there; they
>> also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for taking notes etc;
>> as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've contacted other college
>> students, and they only dream of having these technologies! I guess it's
>> one of the advantages of having gone to a private college, and not a
>> public university? So there you have it; perseverance/determination, wins!
>> Also support from family mostly, and teachers, except for those who
>> dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and made the semester a nightmare! So
>> what do you guys think? are these experiences worthwhile?
>>
>> --
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>> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
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>> México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>>
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From becsjoynfb at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 17:45:20 2014
From: becsjoynfb at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:45:20 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] Really?
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This is literally like taking a kid's hands if they hit someone! Less painful, but not less debilitating, and should not be a thought in a teacher's mind... Ever! You should instead be teaching children proper behavior with the tools vital to their success and normal functioning.


    When a man loves, he seeks no power, and therefore, he has power.
~Alan Paton

> On 18/12/2014, at 18:04, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'd love to see an O&M instructor comment on this.  That will be priceless!
> 
> KC Schools, say hello to Lady Justice!  This won't stand; the parents
> will fight back, and they'll win for sure.
> 
> We're well past the days of putting children in the corner with the
> dunce cap on to humiliate them.  Teachers all know that all students,
> no matter how poorly they behave, should be made to feel included and
> secure in a learning environment.  What infuriates me more than a
> school official taking the cane away and giving the kid a pool noodle,
> is that, out of all the faculty who saw this kid using the pool noodle
> that day, no one stepped up and tried to positively intervene.
> 
>> On 12/18/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I saw this and was infuriated. This goes way too far. One cannot use a pool
>> noodle for a cane. Especially when some bend.
>> 
>> Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas
>> Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
>> Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>> "The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian
>> proverb
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:56 PM, James Alan Boehm via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2014/1217/Kansas-City-school-punishes-blind-boy-by-replacing-cane-with-pool-noodle-video
>>> 
>>> Kansas City school punishes blind boy by replacing cane with pool noodle
>>> (+video)
>>> 
>>> The decision to punish a blind child by replacing his mobility cane with a
>>> swimming pool noodle is an "extra nasty step," says a director at the
>>> American Council of the Blind<http://acb.org/>.
>>> 
>>> Dakota
>>> Nafzinger<http://fox4kc.com/2014/12/16/north-kansas-city-school-takes-away-blind-childs-cane-replaces-it-with-pool-noodle/>,
>>> age eight, is a student at Gracemor Elementary School in Kansas City. He
>>> was born without eyes, <http://www.nkcschools.org/page.cfm?p=1828> and
>>> relies on his white mobility cane for personal freedom and the ability to
>>> move freely about his environment, according to FOX 4 in Kansas
>>> City<http://fox4kc.com/2014/12/16/north-kansas-city-school-takes-away-blind-childs-cane-replaces-it-with-pool-noodle/>.
>>> 
>>> North Kansas City Schools spokeswoman Michelle Cronk told the media that
>>> Dakota hit somebody with his cane while riding the bus and his punishment
>>> was to have his cane taken away and replaced with a foam pool noodle.
>>> 
>>> Recommended: The top 5 things never to ask your child right after
>>> school</The-Culture/Family/2012/1220/The-top-5-things-never-to-ask-your-child-right-after-school/How-was-school-today>
>>> 
>>> Ms. Cronk also reportedly said that Dakota was given the pool noodle not
>>> as a replacement for a mobility device, but rather because he needed
>>> something to hold in order to avoid fidgeting. The school also reportedly
>>> said that it owned the cane and gave it to the boy at the beginning of the
>>> school year.
>>> 
>>> In a statement released by Cronk Wednesday afternoon, the district
>>> reversed its earlier decision.
>>> 
>>> The District has reviewed the situation. We regret that a mistake was made
>>> in making sure the student was in possession of his cane when he boarded
>>> the bus Monday evening.
>>> 
>>> The District has apologized to the family and is working to rectify the
>>> situation. When we were made aware of the mistake, corrections were made.
>>> It is always the District's policy when we become aware of situations like
>>> this, we thoroughly and immediately investigate to ensure a safe learning
>>> environment for all students.
>>> 
>>> In a phone call Cronk, says: "We've been taking a lot of heat from the
>>> local community over this."
>>> 
>>> Eric Bridges, director of external relations and policy for the American
>>> Council of the Blind (ACB) says in a phone interview from his office in
>>> Arlington, Va.,  that the act of taking a blind child's cane from him as a
>>> form of punishment was "absolutely wrong and something which impedes the
>>> child's mobility."
>>> 
>>> "To do what this school did to this student is just beyond the pale," says
>>> Mr. Bridges, who is blind himself. "If you want to punish a blind child
>>> then punish him the same way you punish a sighted child - detention,
>>> suspension, sitting on a bench in the hallway. What this school did was
>>> just an extra nasty step of demeaning the child, humiliating him and
>>> robbing him of his mobility."
>>> 
>>> Bridges adds that even if the school supplied a guide to constantly be by
>>> the boy's side, the addition of the pool noodle adds a dimension of
>>> humiliation that is unacceptable.
>>> 
>>> "There's already enough stigma that comes with the white cane," Bridges
>>> added. "A pool noodle? Because he fidgets? I honestly don't know which is
>>> worse, taking his freedom of mobility or the total public humiliation."
>>> 
>>> Dakota's father, Donald Nafzinger told the media that his son lifts his
>>> cane sometimes and the bus driver thought he was using it violently.
>>> 
>>> "All around, he's a good little guy, and he shouldn't be treated the way
>>> he's being treated," Mr. Nafzinger said.
>>> 
>>> Bridges adds, "It's honestly very hard for me to get my mind around what
>>> it would take for an educated adult to come up with that punishment,"
>>> Bridges says in exasperation. "It's almost as if another eight-year-old
>>> thought that one up."
>>> 
>>> James Alan Boehm
>>> Contact Information:
>>> Phone: 901-483-1515
>>> Personal Email:
>>> jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com<mailto:jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com>
>>> NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org<mailto:secretary at nfb-tn.org>
>>> Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com<mailto:kustomcane at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 19:28:24 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:28:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Clean Restrooms or bathrooms
Message-ID: <3BE44F08-A367-4C38-BC98-8223B1A4C902@gmail.com>

Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you a question regarding clean restrooms or bathrooms. this specifically question goes to the girls of the list. How do you girls handle to use the Restroom or bathroom, when the toilets are not clean or the bathroom is out of service? I'm just wondeirng since I have had bad experiences before regarding this matter since my college has dirty bathrooms. Please, girls can you write me offlist regarding these questions sinc ei don't want to clutter the list with this weird questions. Hope to hear form you soon. Thansk so much and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From tyler at tysdomain.com  Thu Dec 18 20:05:09 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:05:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Clean Restrooms or bathrooms
In-Reply-To: <3BE44F08-A367-4C38-BC98-8223B1A4C902@gmail.com>
References: <3BE44F08-A367-4C38-BC98-8223B1A4C902@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54933375.8000900@tysdomain.com>

Hey Helga,
I'm not really of the female variety, but us dudes have to deal with
this, too. I've found that there's usually a bathroom that's hard to get
to--perhaps it's way up on the 99th floor or something. If it's less
used, it's probably a lot cleaner and so I go to that one instead. This
may not be the case, but I tend to scout out bathrooms in buildings I'll
be in frequently. Some schools have single rooms marked only for staff,
which might also be an option. Worst someone will do is tell you it's
staff, best noone will comment and you'll be fine. It's kind of relying
on the blind card, but in this case I really don't mind.


On 12/18/2014 2:28 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote:
> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you a question regarding clean restrooms or bathrooms. this specifically question goes to the girls of the list. How do you girls handle to use the Restroom or bathroom, when the toilets are not clean or the bathroom is out of service? I'm just wondeirng since I have had bad experiences before regarding this matter since my college has dirty bathrooms. Please, girls can you write me offlist regarding these questions sinc ei don't want to clutter the list with this weird questions. Hope to hear form you soon. Thansk so much and God bless! 
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 21:43:38 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:43:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships
Message-ID: <369158B1-819D-480F-B448-C0DC6B93C7BD@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I hope this email finds you all well. I'm in the process of looking at different scholarships to apply for for the upcoming school year. Just wanted some input. The scholarships that I am looking at are, and FB, ACB, the MacGregor scholarships for islandsand some local scholarships here in my state. Does anyone have any other suggestions for scholarships that I can apply for? Thank you so much and have a wonderful holiday

Sent from my iPhone

From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 21:50:42 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:50:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships
In-Reply-To: <369158B1-819D-480F-B448-C0DC6B93C7BD@gmail.com>
References: <369158B1-819D-480F-B448-C0DC6B93C7BD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9AE55900-A413-4BEE-BF76-A00F3A9EE944@gmail.com>

Fast web is a fairly accessible platform for scholarships. It allows you to create a profile and it matches you to the best scholarships. 

Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
"The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian proverb 
 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I hope this email finds you all well. I'm in the process of looking at different scholarships to apply for for the upcoming school year. Just wanted some input. The scholarships that I am looking at are, and FB, ACB, the MacGregor scholarships for islandsand some local scholarships here in my state. Does anyone have any other suggestions for scholarships that I can apply for? Thank you so much and have a wonderful holiday
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Thu Dec 18 22:46:13 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:46:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Really?
Message-ID: <0NGS0038UVAD2X30@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

First of all, James, thank you so much for sharing this article 
with us.  This is the sort of thing that we need to resolve as 
blind students.

First of all, I'm very disappointed and infuriated that this 
happened as well.  Not only is this totally wrong and 
humiliating, but I also believe that Dakota did not deserve to 
receive this punishment.  The school really should have 
investigated more thoroughly at the situation before jumping to 
conclusions about what his punishment would be.  I mean, he's 
only eight years old, and we all have our habits.  The article 
doesn't say, but Dakota might have only hit this other student 
with his cane by accident, not on purpose.  In that case, he 
should only have received a minor punishment (and not even 
dentention or suspension if he did it only once, possibly just a 
warning or reprimand was his teacher or the principal,) not have 
one of the most essential tools for a blind student taken away 
from him.  The school should have seen this.
I have no idea if a pool noodle will work to help navigate, 
because I personally have never used one and I don't know of 
anyone else who has, but I seriously doubt that it will work in 
protecting you from obstacles and helping you to navigate as safe 
as possible.

I think it is good that ACB got involved in this matter and I 
think that we are all on this list on their side.  Dakota's 
mobility instructor will probably be very angry at the school for 
this as well.  Mobility instructors strictly enforce cane usage 
and technique, so they will not be happy at all if someone 
(particularly if they are totally blind) either refuses to use or 
is not in posession of a cane.

I seriously hope that the school will realize these facts from 
Dakota's father, ACB, and possibly his OANDM instructor so they 
can reccsider their decision and resolve this problem.

Thanks again James for sharing here, and happy holidays to all!

Sami.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:04:50 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Really?

I'd love to see an O&M instructor comment on this.  That will be 
priceless!

KC Schools, say hello to Lady Justice!  This won't stand; the 
parents
will fight back, and they'll win for sure.

We're well past the days of putting children in the corner with 
the
dunce cap on to humiliate them.  Teachers all know that all 
students,
no matter how poorly they behave, should be made to feel included 
and
secure in a learning environment.  What infuriates me more than a
school official taking the cane away and giving the kid a pool 
noodle,
is that, out of all the faculty who saw this kid using the pool 
noodle
that day, no one stepped up and tried to positively intervene.

On 12/18/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 I saw this and was infuriated.  This goes way too far.  One 
cannot use a pool
 noodle for a cane.  Especially when some bend.

 Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas
 Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
 Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
 "The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." 
Arabian
 proverb

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:56 PM, James Alan Boehm via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:


 
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2014/1217/Kansas-City-school
-punishes-blind-boy-by-replacing-cane-with-pool-noodle-video

 Kansas City school punishes blind boy by replacing cane with 
pool noodle
 (+video)

 The decision to punish a blind child by replacing his mobility 
cane with a
 swimming pool noodle is an "extra nasty step," says a director 
at the
 American Council of the Blind<http://acb.org/>.

 Dakota
 
Nafzinger<http://fox4kc.com/2014/12/16/north-kansas-city-school-t
akes-away-blind-childs-cane-replaces-it-with-pool-noodle/>,
 age eight, is a student at Gracemor Elementary School in Kansas 
City.  He
 was born without eyes, 
<http://www.nkcschools.org/page.cfm?p=1828> and
 relies on his white mobility cane for personal freedom and the 
ability to
 move freely about his environment, according to FOX 4 in Kansas
 
City<http://fox4kc.com/2014/12/16/north-kansas-city-school-takes-
away-blind-childs-cane-replaces-it-with-pool-noodle/>.

 North Kansas City Schools spokeswoman Michelle Cronk told the 
media that
 Dakota hit somebody with his cane while riding the bus and his 
punishment
 was to have his cane taken away and replaced with a foam pool 
noodle.

 Recommended: The top 5 things never to ask your child right 
after
 
school</The-Culture/Family/2012/1220/The-top-5-things-never-to-as
k-your-child-right-after-school/How-was-school-today

 Ms.  Cronk also reportedly said that Dakota was given the pool 
noodle not
 as a replacement for a mobility device, but rather because he 
needed
 something to hold in order to avoid fidgeting.  The school also 
reportedly
 said that it owned the cane and gave it to the boy at the 
beginning of the
 school year.

 In a statement released by Cronk Wednesday afternoon, the 
district
 reversed its earlier decision.

 The District has reviewed the situation.  We regret that a 
mistake was made
 in making sure the student was in possession of his cane when he 
boarded
 the bus Monday evening.

 The District has apologized to the family and is working to 
rectify the
 situation.  When we were made aware of the mistake, corrections 
were made.
 It is always the District's policy when we become aware of 
situations like
 this, we thoroughly and immediately investigate to ensure a safe 
learning
 environment for all students.

 In a phone call Cronk, says: "We've been taking a lot of heat 
from the
 local community over this."

 Eric Bridges, director of external relations and policy for the 
American
 Council of the Blind (ACB) says in a phone interview from his 
office in
 Arlington, Va.,  that the act of taking a blind child's cane 
from him as a
 form of punishment was "absolutely wrong and something which 
impedes the
 child's mobility."

 "To do what this school did to this student is just beyond the 
pale," says
 Mr.  Bridges, who is blind himself.  "If you want to punish a 
blind child
 then punish him the same way you punish a sighted child - 
detention,
 suspension, sitting on a bench in the hallway.  What this school 
did was
 just an extra nasty step of demeaning the child, humiliating him 
and
 robbing him of his mobility."

 Bridges adds that even if the school supplied a guide to 
constantly be by
 the boy's side, the addition of the pool noodle adds a dimension 
of
 humiliation that is unacceptable.

 "There's already enough stigma that comes with the white cane," 
Bridges
 added.  "A pool noodle? Because he fidgets? I honestly don't 
know which is
 worse, taking his freedom of mobility or the total public 
humiliation."

 Dakota's father, Donald Nafzinger told the media that his son 
lifts his
 cane sometimes and the bus driver thought he was using it 
violently.

 "All around, he's a good little guy, and he shouldn't be treated 
the way
 he's being treated," Mr.  Nafzinger said.

 Bridges adds, "It's honestly very hard for me to get my mind 
around what
 it would take for an educated adult to come up with that 
punishment,"
 Bridges says in exasperation.  "It's almost as if another 
eight-year-old
 thought that one up."

 James Alan Boehm
 Contact Information:
 Phone: 901-483-1515
 Personal Email:
 jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com<mailto:jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
 NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org<mailto:secretary at nfb-tn.org
 Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com<mailto:kustomcane at gmail.com

 Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you 
want!




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From becsjoynfb at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 23:48:45 2014
From: becsjoynfb at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 00:48:45 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] Really?
In-Reply-To: <0NGS0038UVAD2X30@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NGS0038UVAD2X30@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <020CEE9D-1994-4BD4-8892-39BEBE04E1E8@gmail.com>

Here is an update on this story. Thankfully the school has apologized, so everything should get resolved!
http://foxct.com/2014/12/18/update-school-district-apologizes-for-taking-cane-from-blind-boy/
Rebecca ~


    When a man loves, he seeks no power, and therefore, he has power.
~Alan Paton

> On 18/12/2014, at 23:46, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> First of all, James, thank you so much for sharing this article with us.  This is the sort of thing that we need to resolve as blind students.
> 
> First of all, I'm very disappointed and infuriated that this happened as well.  Not only is this totally wrong and humiliating, but I also believe that Dakota did not deserve to receive this punishment.  The school really should have investigated more thoroughly at the situation before jumping to conclusions about what his punishment would be.  I mean, he's only eight years old, and we all have our habits.  The article doesn't say, but Dakota might have only hit this other student with his cane by accident, not on purpose.  In that case, he should only have received a minor punishment (and not even dentention or suspension if he did it only once, possibly just a warning or reprimand was his teacher or the principal,) not have one of the most essential tools for a blind student taken away from him.  The school should have seen this.
> I have no idea if a pool noodle will work to help navigate, because I personally have never used one and I don't know of anyone else who has, but I seriously doubt that it will work in protecting you from obstacles and helping you to navigate as safe as possible.
> 
> I think it is good that ACB got involved in this matter and I think that we are all on this list on their side.  Dakota's mobility instructor will probably be very angry at the school for this as well.  Mobility instructors strictly enforce cane usage and technique, so they will not be happy at all if someone (particularly if they are totally blind) either refuses to use or is not in posession of a cane.
> 
> I seriously hope that the school will realize these facts from Dakota's father, ACB, and possibly his OANDM instructor so they can reccsider their decision and resolve this problem.
> 
> Thanks again James for sharing here, and happy holidays to all!
> 
> Sami.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:04:50 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Really?
> 
> I'd love to see an O&M instructor comment on this.  That will be priceless!
> 
> KC Schools, say hello to Lady Justice!  This won't stand; the parents
> will fight back, and they'll win for sure.
> 
> We're well past the days of putting children in the corner with the
> dunce cap on to humiliate them.  Teachers all know that all students,
> no matter how poorly they behave, should be made to feel included and
> secure in a learning environment.  What infuriates me more than a
> school official taking the cane away and giving the kid a pool noodle,
> is that, out of all the faculty who saw this kid using the pool noodle
> that day, no one stepped up and tried to positively intervene.
> 
> On 12/18/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I saw this and was infuriated.  This goes way too far.  One cannot use a pool
> noodle for a cane.  Especially when some bend.
> 
> Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas
> Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
> Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> "The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian
> proverb
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:56 PM, James Alan Boehm via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2014/1217/Kansas-City-school
> -punishes-blind-boy-by-replacing-cane-with-pool-noodle-video
> 
> Kansas City school punishes blind boy by replacing cane with pool noodle
> (+video)
> 
> The decision to punish a blind child by replacing his mobility cane with a
> swimming pool noodle is an "extra nasty step," says a director at the
> American Council of the Blind<http://acb.org/>.
> 
> Dakota
> Nafzinger<http://fox4kc.com/2014/12/16/north-kansas-city-school-t
> akes-away-blind-childs-cane-replaces-it-with-pool-noodle/>,
> age eight, is a student at Gracemor Elementary School in Kansas City.  He
> was born without eyes, <http://www.nkcschools.org/page.cfm?p=1828> and
> relies on his white mobility cane for personal freedom and the ability to
> move freely about his environment, according to FOX 4 in Kansas
> City<http://fox4kc.com/2014/12/16/north-kansas-city-school-takes-
> away-blind-childs-cane-replaces-it-with-pool-noodle/>.
> 
> North Kansas City Schools spokeswoman Michelle Cronk told the media that
> Dakota hit somebody with his cane while riding the bus and his punishment
> was to have his cane taken away and replaced with a foam pool noodle.
> 
> Recommended: The top 5 things never to ask your child right after
> school</The-Culture/Family/2012/1220/The-top-5-things-never-to-as
> k-your-child-right-after-school/How-was-school-today
> 
> Ms.  Cronk also reportedly said that Dakota was given the pool noodle not
> as a replacement for a mobility device, but rather because he needed
> something to hold in order to avoid fidgeting.  The school also reportedly
> said that it owned the cane and gave it to the boy at the beginning of the
> school year.
> 
> In a statement released by Cronk Wednesday afternoon, the district
> reversed its earlier decision.
> 
> The District has reviewed the situation.  We regret that a mistake was made
> in making sure the student was in possession of his cane when he boarded
> the bus Monday evening.
> 
> The District has apologized to the family and is working to rectify the
> situation.  When we were made aware of the mistake, corrections were made.
> It is always the District's policy when we become aware of situations like
> this, we thoroughly and immediately investigate to ensure a safe learning
> environment for all students.
> 
> In a phone call Cronk, says: "We've been taking a lot of heat from the
> local community over this."
> 
> Eric Bridges, director of external relations and policy for the American
> Council of the Blind (ACB) says in a phone interview from his office in
> Arlington, Va.,  that the act of taking a blind child's cane from him as a
> form of punishment was "absolutely wrong and something which impedes the
> child's mobility."
> 
> "To do what this school did to this student is just beyond the pale," says
> Mr.  Bridges, who is blind himself.  "If you want to punish a blind child
> then punish him the same way you punish a sighted child - detention,
> suspension, sitting on a bench in the hallway.  What this school did was
> just an extra nasty step of demeaning the child, humiliating him and
> robbing him of his mobility."
> 
> Bridges adds that even if the school supplied a guide to constantly be by
> the boy's side, the addition of the pool noodle adds a dimension of
> humiliation that is unacceptable.
> 
> "There's already enough stigma that comes with the white cane," Bridges
> added.  "A pool noodle? Because he fidgets? I honestly don't know which is
> worse, taking his freedom of mobility or the total public humiliation."
> 
> Dakota's father, Donald Nafzinger told the media that his son lifts his
> cane sometimes and the bus driver thought he was using it violently.
> 
> "All around, he's a good little guy, and he shouldn't be treated the way
> he's being treated," Mr.  Nafzinger said.
> 
> Bridges adds, "It's honestly very hard for me to get my mind around what
> it would take for an educated adult to come up with that punishment,"
> Bridges says in exasperation.  "It's almost as if another eight-year-old
> thought that one up."
> 
> James Alan Boehm
> Contact Information:
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Personal Email:
> jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com<mailto:jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
> NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org<mailto:secretary at nfb-tn.org
> Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com<mailto:kustomcane at gmail.com
> 
> Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 06:20:24 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 01:20:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Clean Restrooms or bathrooms
In-Reply-To: <54933375.8000900@tysdomain.com>
References: <3BE44F08-A367-4C38-BC98-8223B1A4C902@gmail.com>
	<54933375.8000900@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZtLQpu02zaUauQNwa_RHyaCL8RLQtKHGfoOtZj2-WEdA@mail.gmail.com>

This is a legitimate question, and because some others might be
wondering the same thing but may be embarrassed to ask, I'll put my
comment over list as Tyler has done.

He has given solid suggestions; I generally try to find multiple
bathrooms I can use so that if I know one is disgusting I can find
another.  When the viral plague was going through my floor freshman
year, I would go to the restroom in the lobby most of the time to
avoid picking up germs from the sinks, toilets, etc because we only
had cleaning staff once a day and people were so ill.  Like Tyler,
this one was farther away, but I didn't mind going downstairs and back
up again because it was so much cleaner, and I ended up not getting
sick.  If I'm in an unfamiliar place, sometimes I'll take some toilet
paper out and wipe around the seat before I actually use it.  Those
sanitary things you can put on toilet seats also work pretty well.

Also, if a restroom is dirty, don't be afraid to say something.  Odds
are that other people are just as grossed out as you are, and that the
facility just isn't aware of the situation.  As long as staff are on
call, a receptionist or someone in charge can call a janitor in to
clean up the problem.  I've been on both ends of this as the person to
tell a receptionist, and a receptionist who had to call a janitor for
clean up duty, and in both instances I was just glad that something
could be done to make the situation better.  I'm sure fellow restroom
patrons felt the same.

On 12/18/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey Helga,
> I'm not really of the female variety, but us dudes have to deal with
> this, too. I've found that there's usually a bathroom that's hard to get
> to--perhaps it's way up on the 99th floor or something. If it's less
> used, it's probably a lot cleaner and so I go to that one instead. This
> may not be the case, but I tend to scout out bathrooms in buildings I'll
> be in frequently. Some schools have single rooms marked only for staff,
> which might also be an option. Worst someone will do is tell you it's
> staff, best noone will comment and you'll be fine. It's kind of relying
> on the blind card, but in this case I really don't mind.
>
>
> On 12/18/2014 2:28 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you a question
>> regarding clean restrooms or bathrooms. this specifically question goes to
>> the girls of the list. How do you girls handle to use the Restroom or
>> bathroom, when the toilets are not clean or the bathroom is out of
>> service? I'm just wondeirng since I have had bad experiences before
>> regarding this matter since my college has dirty bathrooms. Please, girls
>> can you write me offlist regarding these questions sinc ei don't want to
>> clutter the list with this weird questions. Hope to hear form you soon.
>> Thansk so much and God bless!
>>
>> Helga Schreiber
>>
>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>> Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>
>
> --
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that
> dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 07:08:25 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:08:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Clean Restrooms or bathrooms
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZtLQpu02zaUauQNwa_RHyaCL8RLQtKHGfoOtZj2-WEdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3BE44F08-A367-4C38-BC98-8223B1A4C902@gmail.com>
	<54933375.8000900@tysdomain.com>
	<CAFja7FZtLQpu02zaUauQNwa_RHyaCL8RLQtKHGfoOtZj2-WEdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB4538EC-4990-4EDB-80F2-117022960B56@gmail.com>

Hi all! Thanks a lot for the suggestions. But I just wanted to ask you, how do you know if a bathroom is dirty and the toilet is not clean when you are totally blind and you go inside the bathroom? And also, how do you know if a bathroom is out of service when you are totally blind? I'm just wondering. since I am totally blind, and I  actually have had an experience before that I didn't  know that a bathroom was out of service that the toilet was out of service and I went in. This situation have not only happen in college, but also when I was in high school. In fact, isn't true that some teachers or staffs bathrooms are also dirty or not clean as well And the only way to avoid that is just to ask for someone to help you?  Just to let you know,  I usually go to the bathroom with when I'm in college I go to the bathroom with someone I know, or a friend!, and I also actually experienced going to the staff bathrooms before in high school and I found some of them dirty or not clean as well! But the reason I'm asking you all this questions is because I don't want to experience this problem again whenever I'm by myself, specially when it is an emergency! in in finding a bathroom fast! LOL! I'm not joking. What do you guys do in an emergency? What do you guys tsuggest to do? Would you guys suggest to just ask the first person you find inside the   bathroom and ask her the questions? Just curious! All of these questions goes for specially to the girls on the list! Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 



P.S. I apologize in asking you all these weird questions! If some of you wish, you can just reply me off list if you prefer; insead of replying me back on listok? I really don't want to cause any incombenience! to you all with all these questions. Thanks again! 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Dec 19, 2014, at 1:20 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> This is a legitimate question, and because some others might be
> wondering the same thing but may be embarrassed to ask, I'll put my
> comment over list as Tyler has done.
> 
> He has given solid suggestions; I generally try to find multiple
> bathrooms I can use so that if I know one is disgusting I can find
> another.  When the viral plague was going through my floor freshman
> year, I would go to the restroom in the lobby most of the time to
> avoid picking up germs from the sinks, toilets, etc because we only
> had cleaning staff once a day and people were so ill.  Like Tyler,
> this one was farther away, but I didn't mind going downstairs and back
> up again because it was so much cleaner, and I ended up not getting
> sick.  If I'm in an unfamiliar place, sometimes I'll take some toilet
> paper out and wipe around the seat before I actually use it.  Those
> sanitary things you can put on toilet seats also work pretty well.
> 
> Also, if a restroom is dirty, don't be afraid to say something.  Odds
> are that other people are just as grossed out as you are, and that the
> facility just isn't aware of the situation.  As long as staff are on
> call, a receptionist or someone in charge can call a janitor in to
> clean up the problem.  I've been on both ends of this as the person to
> tell a receptionist, and a receptionist who had to call a janitor for
> clean up duty, and in both instances I was just glad that something
> could be done to make the situation better.  I'm sure fellow restroom
> patrons felt the same.
> 
>> On 12/18/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hey Helga,
>> I'm not really of the female variety, but us dudes have to deal with
>> this, too. I've found that there's usually a bathroom that's hard to get
>> to--perhaps it's way up on the 99th floor or something. If it's less
>> used, it's probably a lot cleaner and so I go to that one instead. This
>> may not be the case, but I tend to scout out bathrooms in buildings I'll
>> be in frequently. Some schools have single rooms marked only for staff,
>> which might also be an option. Worst someone will do is tell you it's
>> staff, best noone will comment and you'll be fine. It's kind of relying
>> on the blind card, but in this case I really don't mind.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/18/2014 2:28 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you a question
>>> regarding clean restrooms or bathrooms. this specifically question goes to
>>> the girls of the list. How do you girls handle to use the Restroom or
>>> bathroom, when the toilets are not clean or the bathroom is out of
>>> service? I'm just wondeirng since I have had bad experiences before
>>> regarding this matter since my college has dirty bathrooms. Please, girls
>>> can you write me offlist regarding these questions sinc ei don't want to
>>> clutter the list with this weird questions. Hope to hear form you soon.
>>> Thansk so much and God bless!
>>> 
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>> 
>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>> Blind Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>> 
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Take care,
>> Ty
>> http://tds-solutions.net
>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that
>> dares not reason is a slave.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
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> 
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From sandragayer7 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 11:40:37 2014
From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:40:37 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Clean Restrooms or bathrooms
In-Reply-To: <FB4538EC-4990-4EDB-80F2-117022960B56@gmail.com>
References: <3BE44F08-A367-4C38-BC98-8223B1A4C902@gmail.com>
	<54933375.8000900@tysdomain.com>
	<CAFja7FZtLQpu02zaUauQNwa_RHyaCL8RLQtKHGfoOtZj2-WEdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<FB4538EC-4990-4EDB-80F2-117022960B56@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJcYH6_SKR3_PMn+4AP24XkF27pDwxhxWDCkneOBUZLT2R7R+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Helga,
I'm sure your questions are relevant to a lot of people. If you want
to know if a rest room is out of service, I suggest you ask a
receptionist or another member of staff before you go in. This is
quite easy if you haven't been in the building before as you'll have
to ask someone where the rest room is anyway.

As for how clean a toilet is, your nose is as good a guide as any. You
may want to think about not making actual contact with a toilet seat
when using public facilities. IE, don't sit properly on it.

I hope this helps.
Very best wishes,
Sandra.

On 12/19/14, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all! Thanks a lot for the suggestions. But I just wanted to ask you, how
> do you know if a bathroom is dirty and the toilet is not clean when you are
> totally blind and you go inside the bathroom? And also, how do you know if a
> bathroom is out of service when you are totally blind? I'm just wondering.
> since I am totally blind, and I  actually have had an experience before that
> I didn't  know that a bathroom was out of service that the toilet was out of
> service and I went in. This situation have not only happen in college, but
> also when I was in high school. In fact, isn't true that some teachers or
> staffs bathrooms are also dirty or not clean as well And the only way to
> avoid that is just to ask for someone to help you?  Just to let you know,  I
> usually go to the bathroom with when I'm in college I go to the bathroom
> with someone I know, or a friend!, and I also actually experienced going to
> the staff bathrooms before in high school and I found some of them dirty or
> not clean as well! But the reason I'm asking you all this questions is
> because I don't want to experience this problem again whenever I'm by
> myself, specially when it is an emergency! in in finding a bathroom fast!
> LOL! I'm not joking. What do you guys do in an emergency? What do you guys
> tsuggest to do? Would you guys suggest to just ask the first person you find
> inside the   bathroom and ask her the questions? Just curious! All of these
> questions goes for specially to the girls on the list! Hope to hear form you
> soon. Thanks so much and God bless!
>
>
>
> P.S. I apologize in asking you all these weird questions! If some of you
> wish, you can just reply me off list if you prefer; insead of replying me
> back on listok? I really don't want to cause any incombenience! to you all
> with all these questions. Thanks again!
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 1:20 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a legitimate question, and because some others might be
>> wondering the same thing but may be embarrassed to ask, I'll put my
>> comment over list as Tyler has done.
>>
>> He has given solid suggestions; I generally try to find multiple
>> bathrooms I can use so that if I know one is disgusting I can find
>> another.  When the viral plague was going through my floor freshman
>> year, I would go to the restroom in the lobby most of the time to
>> avoid picking up germs from the sinks, toilets, etc because we only
>> had cleaning staff once a day and people were so ill.  Like Tyler,
>> this one was farther away, but I didn't mind going downstairs and back
>> up again because it was so much cleaner, and I ended up not getting
>> sick.  If I'm in an unfamiliar place, sometimes I'll take some toilet
>> paper out and wipe around the seat before I actually use it.  Those
>> sanitary things you can put on toilet seats also work pretty well.
>>
>> Also, if a restroom is dirty, don't be afraid to say something.  Odds
>> are that other people are just as grossed out as you are, and that the
>> facility just isn't aware of the situation.  As long as staff are on
>> call, a receptionist or someone in charge can call a janitor in to
>> clean up the problem.  I've been on both ends of this as the person to
>> tell a receptionist, and a receptionist who had to call a janitor for
>> clean up duty, and in both instances I was just glad that something
>> could be done to make the situation better.  I'm sure fellow restroom
>> patrons felt the same.
>>
>>> On 12/18/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hey Helga,
>>> I'm not really of the female variety, but us dudes have to deal with
>>> this, too. I've found that there's usually a bathroom that's hard to get
>>> to--perhaps it's way up on the 99th floor or something. If it's less
>>> used, it's probably a lot cleaner and so I go to that one instead. This
>>> may not be the case, but I tend to scout out bathrooms in buildings I'll
>>> be in frequently. Some schools have single rooms marked only for staff,
>>> which might also be an option. Worst someone will do is tell you it's
>>> staff, best noone will comment and you'll be fine. It's kind of relying
>>> on the blind card, but in this case I really don't mind.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12/18/2014 2:28 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you a question
>>>> regarding clean restrooms or bathrooms. this specifically question goes
>>>> to
>>>> the girls of the list. How do you girls handle to use the Restroom or
>>>> bathroom, when the toilets are not clean or the bathroom is out of
>>>> service? I'm just wondeirng since I have had bad experiences before
>>>> regarding this matter since my college has dirty bathrooms. Please,
>>>> girls
>>>> can you write me offlist regarding these questions sinc ei don't want
>>>> to
>>>> clutter the list with this weird questions. Hope to hear form you soon.
>>>> Thansk so much and God bless!
>>>>
>>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>>
>>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>>> Blind Students.
>>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>>
>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
>>>> 3:16
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Take care,
>>> Ty
>>> http://tds-solutions.net
>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
>>> that
>>> dares not reason is a slave.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 14:47:13 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 06:47:13 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] MS Word 2013 Spell Check with JAWS 16
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdy9XZb6XdzeUMXNR1UDMXJe8zwSS9HXW9JCd9sNvtbfmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdy9XZb6XdzeUMXNR1UDMXJe8zwSS9HXW9JCd9sNvtbfmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdy5f_stW=cMtJc5=uyoOvhWy1D-VOQiiRB+yQbTCJ0Fxg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

 I use JAWS 16 and MS Word 2013. I just got Office 2013 and noticed
 that spell check in word operates differently and more annoyingly in
 Word than it does in other applications such as PowerPoint and Excel.
 Does anyone have advice for navigating the spell check in Word more
 easily?

For example, I have to tab and arrow in unpredictable patterns until I
can locate the word that is misspelled. I haven't figured out a
consistent way to navigate the menu.

Your help is appreciated!

Cindy


On 11/30/14, Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I use JAWS 16 and MS Word 2013. I just got Office 2013 and noticed
> that spell check in word operates differently and more annoyingly in
> Word than it does in other applications such as PowerPoint and Excel.
> Does anyone have advice for navigating the spell check in Word more
> easily?
>
>
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Washington
> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>
> clb5590 at gmail.com
>


-- 
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1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 15:00:17 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 10:00:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Clean Restrooms or bathrooms
Message-ID: <54943d9a.874e320a.2ae8.31e8@mx.google.com>

Hi Helga these are some good questions.  When I walk into a 
bathroom I usually put some toilet paper on the seat before I sit 
on it.  I usually wipe the seat with toilet paper after I am 
finished using it and before I use it.


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 16:02:38 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:02:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Clean Restrooms or bathrooms
In-Reply-To: <54943d9a.874e320a.2ae8.31e8@mx.google.com>
References: <54943d9a.874e320a.2ae8.31e8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7Fb9F+XC=XSYPt6UYrUfv90kr2WB8DSz3YG2rYQP-Bk3Lg@mail.gmail.com>

The thing is, you don't know if it's dirty before you go in---nobody
does.  You just have to go in and check it out.  If you smell
something when you walk into a stall, going to another would be a good
idea.  If you're unsure, do the toilet paper thing and wipe off the
seat as I and Roana have suggested.

Also, usually when a toilet is out of order the janitorial staff will
put some sort of sign on the front of the stall.  Stalls don't
generally have paper taped to the front of them, so if you go into a
stall and find that try another.  Most of the signs like this are
really crude (E.G, it might be a piece of printer or notebook paper
with some scotch tape holding it to the door), so even if you can't
read it, you should be able to figure out what it is by inference.

On 12/19/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Helga these are some good questions.  When I walk into a
> bathroom I usually put some toilet paper on the seat before I sit
> on it.  I usually wipe the seat with toilet paper after I am
> finished using it and before I use it.
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 19 16:04:22 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:04:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] MS Word 2013 Spell Check with JAWS 16
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdy5f_stW=cMtJc5=uyoOvhWy1D-VOQiiRB+yQbTCJ0Fxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdy9XZb6XdzeUMXNR1UDMXJe8zwSS9HXW9JCd9sNvtbfmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACUFQdy5f_stW=cMtJc5=uyoOvhWy1D-VOQiiRB+yQbTCJ0Fxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS991F5A05AE20E72CC12E35BA6B0@phx.gbl>

Hi Cindy,

I am not the most tech savvy person out there, but I thought I would try
answering your question since no one else has responded to your message.

I am using JAWS 15 with Microsoft Office 2013, and I have had some
difficulty getting used to the new spell check layout in Microsoft Word 2013
as well. I have noticed that you need to use the tab key instead of being
able to use the shortcut keys such as alt plus I for ignore and so on.
However, as I was using it just now so I could accurately respond to your
message, I noticed the buttons to tab through were in the same order every
time I came across a word that was misspelled. 

I do not use Microsoft Excel all that much, but I noticed that you could use
the shortcut keys such as alt plus I for ignore that you could not use in
Microsoft Word. I can also use these shortcut keys when composing email
messages in Microsoft Outlook as well. I do not have JAWS 16, so I do not
know what difference this makes when using Microsoft Office programs.
However, since I experience a similar situation with JAWS 15, it would seem
to me like the issue is with Microsoft Word rather than with JAWS.

I am not sure if any of this helps you or not, but I thought I would at
least try responding to your message. I believe there are some NFB email
lists dedicated to the discussion of things related to technology. I would
suggest posting your message on one of these lists if you are not able to
receive the answer you are looking for on this list. 

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Bennett
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 9:47 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] MS Word 2013 Spell Check with JAWS 16

Hi,

 I use JAWS 16 and MS Word 2013. I just got Office 2013 and noticed  that
spell check in word operates differently and more annoyingly in  Word than
it does in other applications such as PowerPoint and Excel.
 Does anyone have advice for navigating the spell check in Word more
easily?

For example, I have to tab and arrow in unpredictable patterns until I can
locate the word that is misspelled. I haven't figured out a consistent way
to navigate the menu.

Your help is appreciated!

Cindy


On 11/30/14, Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I use JAWS 16 and MS Word 2013. I just got Office 2013 and noticed 
> that spell check in word operates differently and more annoyingly in 
> Word than it does in other applications such as PowerPoint and Excel.
> Does anyone have advice for navigating the spell check in Word more 
> easily?
>
>
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered Design 
> and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National 
> Federation of the Blind of Washington Affiliates of the National 
> Federation of the Blind
>
> clb5590 at gmail.com
>


--
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered Design and
Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National Federation of
the Blind of Washington Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com

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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 02:59:45 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:59:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] My flute is weird
Message-ID: <5494E621.90302@gmail.com>

  HI guys
I've downloaded Bill Brown's Flute intro course, but I'm curious as to 
why is my flute different from the one mentioned in the course? my flute 
is long; I put it in my mouth, and it's straight out; not like Bill 
Brown says kind of curved to the right; the flute on the right hand, the 
thum rests on the bottom hole; there's only one hole on the buttom, 
whereas Bill Brown says there are several keys; then the the rest of the 
keys, are holes, not like Bill Brown says they're keys. What kind of a 
flute do I have then? Does Bill Brown have such a tutorial on my type of 
flute?

-- 
Enviado desde mi lap
Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!



From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 04:05:09 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 23:05:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] For Gerardo: FW: [musictlk] Fwd:  My flute is weird
Message-ID: <0c7901d01c0a$25fcce80$71f66b80$@gmail.com>

Gerardo,

I passed your message along to our Music Talk list and received a response. Please join this list and/or contact the person who sent this directly with any further questions. To the rest of the list: I apologize for having to send this to the list--I did not have Gerardo's email address.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Blake [mailto:blaketracy23 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 10:13 PM
To: Chris Nusbaum; Music Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [musictlk] Fwd: [nabs-l] My flute is weird



On 12/19/2014 9:06 PM, Chris Nusbaum via musictlk wrote:
> Passing this along for a friend. Can anyone provide some experience with this flute tutorial?
>
As someone who studies up on different instruments, there are many types of flutes with holes instead of keys. What Bill Brown teaches is the normal C flute. I do not know if I know of the exact kind, but I might. 
About how long is it?How many holes? It might be a penny whistle, and if so he does have some training for that. If it is longer, with five holes, it could be native american. Those are the two flutes besides a standard recorder that I know of, but I know for a fact that there are way more than I can buy and check out LOL.
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: December 19, 2014 at 9:59:45 PM EST
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] My flute is weird
>> Reply-To: Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com>, National Association 
>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>
>> HI guys
>> I've downloaded Bill Brown's Flute intro course, but I'm curious as to why is my flute different from the one mentioned in the course? my flute is long; I put it in my mouth, and it's straight out; not like Bill Brown says kind of curved to the right; the flute on the right hand, the thum rests on the bottom hole; there's only one hole on the buttom, whereas Bill Brown says there are several keys; then the the rest of the keys, are holes, not like Bill Brown says they're keys. What kind of a flute do I have then? Does Bill Brown have such a tutorial on my type of flute?
>>
>> --
>> Enviado desde mi lap
>> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki Saludos desde 
>> Tampico, Tamaulipas México RompiendoBarreras espacio de 
>> psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>>
>>
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From pgradioman at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 20 19:25:22 2014
From: pgradioman at hotmail.com (Preston Gaylor)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 14:25:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Help Save A Child's Life And Have Tons Of Fun At My
	Annual Holiday Party Next Monday Night
References: <21E08A7D80664AD2A16B8BB9C489E75B@AudioAccessFMPC>
Message-ID: <COL403-EAS4322AAADD6F56CAF8D746EECB680@phx.gbl>



Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "David Dunphy" <supporttheportal at mytvland.net>
> Date: December 15, 2014 at 7:29:02 PM EST
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: Help Save A Child's Life And Have Tons Of Fun At My Annual Holiday Party Next Monday Night
> 
> Greetings All!
> This is David Dunphy, here to tell you about the very exciting Christmas show and event taking place on December 22 2014 between 7 and 11 PM eastern. Whether you live in the US, Canada, New Zealand, or the UK, there will be something here for everybody, and I firmly believe this will be a four hour event you will never forget!
> I'm telling you about this event now because there are going to be opportunities to give to a child you love, come away with a special gift for yourself or family member, and a chance to give back, just by tuning in. Here are the details. Please feel free to pass this along to any friends or family you think would be interested. Details of this event can also be found at
> http://wdjm3.weebly.com/davidchristmas2014.html
> Here are the details, and I'm so excited to be able to share this with the Sky106 staff and family. I can always be reached at
> internetradioentertainer at gmail.com
> with any questions. But I've dropped hints, made comments, and now the details are here.
> 1. Time And Place:
> The show will be airing on December 22 between 7 and 11 PM US eastern time on wdjm3.com
> http://www.wdjm3.com
> and Sky106
> http://www.sky106.net
> Both web sites provide links to listen, and a reminder email will be sent out with direct listen links. Tune in for the best in holiday classics, Christmas related comedy and more. You'll be thrown in a musical holiday world, which will include our traditional look at Santa's modes of transportation, my rendition of The Night Before Christmas, holiday favorites and more!!
>  
>  
>  
> 2. Give To That Special Child In Your Life:
>  
> Do you have a son or daughter? A cousin you'd like to get something special for?
> Now you can. Send me an email between now and Monday, December 22 at 12 Noon eastern time to
> internetradioentertainer at gmail.com
> with your name, the child's name, and something you know they want or you would like to get for them. The maximum budget for this is 40 dollars. Based on entries we receive, one will be selected at random. The select person will be called live on air via skype or phone (so be sure to include those details in an email) and we will call you live on the air during Hour2 to let you know that we'll either send you the gift directly to your home or provide you the money via paypal to get the gift you mentioned in your email. You can get in touch with any  questions you may have using the above email address
> internetradioentertainer at gmail.com
>  
> 3. Leave A Holiday Greeting, Win Something Cool..
>  
> You have a chance to be heard during our live special. At the top of each hour, we'll be taking any holiday greetings we receive, and putting them together to form a special presentation of well wishes from our listeners. An mp3 or wave file with nothing but just your voice can be emailed in to
> internetradioentertainer at gmail.com
> or you can call your message in by phone by dialing
> 206-208-4539
>  
> Only your holiday greeting and name will be played over the air. If you send an audio file, please do not include any background music, just your voice.
> And in the message, and this part won't be played on the air, include your phone number or skype details. We will call one of these people during the last hour, and the person selected will win either
> 100 dollars in cash
> or
> a MyPassport USB 2 TB External Hard drive.
>  
> Again, direct all questions to my email at
> internetradioentertainer at gmail.com
> or through the above number. All people on the stations carrying this event except me are eligible to win, so get those greetings in. All must be received by noon on December 22 2014.
>  
> 3. Just Listen And Give Back....
>  
> If you just want to be entertained by our fun holiday antics and music, that's fine too. Make sure you listen, cause the listener numbers we get are important.
> At the top of each hour, our listener peak will be calculated.
> In the last hour, we'll be taking our listener peak number, and donating that amount in dollars to St Jude Children's Research Hospital. This hospital specializes in finding cures and treatments for children with cancer or similar illnesses, and no child is turned away based on sex, race or their ability to pay.
> You can read more about this great cause at
> http://www.stjude.org
> And the donation will be made live during the final hour in a very special and beautiful holiday presentation, and all those who want proof this was done may ask for it via email so you know this is serious and that just by listening, you could help save the life of a child. And what's brighter than the smiling face of a child at Christmas time?
>  
> 
> As I think you can tell, this is going to be a night of holiday cheer, great fun, and some cool presentations.
> So join me for a night of giving, entertainment and more, as my annual holiday special will take to the internet air waves on Monday, December 22, 2014 between 7 and 11 PM US eastern time.
> Get in those greetings, and get ready for some holiday magic!
> I hope to see you all there!
> From David Dunphy
Hi everyone,
Thought you may be interested in our good friend DJD's holiday event on Monday night at 7 PM ET.
Find out more below!
And happy holidays to all!
Preston


From blacklotus86 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 23:41:47 2014
From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:41:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Information needed
Message-ID: <CAMRf8a0MGEW0a+4bG9Unm3rOmdgEf930E0JzLWBdYbFG89eXoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I got a new job in Oklahoma City and I’m wondering is there anyone in
this group who live there? I’ll be moving within 2 weeks and have a
few questions. Even if you live in different city, could you please
reach me off-list?

Happy holidays to everybody!

Zeynep


From blindlaw at nfbnet.org  Sun Dec 21 23:27:10 2014
From: blindlaw at nfbnet.org (Blake,
	Lou Ann via blindlaw)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 17:27:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Registration is now open for the 2015 Jacobus tenBroek
 Disability Law Symposium!
Message-ID: <auto-000010144883@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Registration is Now Open!

for the

2015 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium

The ADA at Fifty: The Future of Disability Law and the Right to Live 
in the World

March 26-27, 2015
at the
National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
Baltimore, Maryland

Join leading disability rights advocates from throughout the United 
States in celebration of the Americans with Disabilities Act by 
looking ahead to the next twenty-five years. The 2015 Jacobus 
tenBroek Disability Law Symposium will consist of plenary sessions 
and workshops facilitated by distinguished law professors, 
practitioners, and advocates who will discuss topics such as: the 
future of disability, how to enable the participation of people with 
disabilities in court proceedings, the unique challenges faced by 
criminal suspects and offenders with intellectual and developmental 
disabilities, and a vision for the next twenty-five years to improve 
and augment the ADA, Rehabilitation Act, and IDEA. Presenters include:

   *   Judge Richard S. Brown, Wisconsin Court of Appeals
   *   Leigh Ann Davis, program manager, Justice Initiatives, The Arc
   *   Robert Dinerstein, professor of law, American University 
Washington College of Law
   *   David Ferleger, Esquire, Law Office of David Ferleger
   *   Beverly Frantz, criminal justice project director, Institute 
on Disabilities, Temple University
   *   Daniel F. Goldstein, partner, Brown, Goldstein and Levy
   *   Christine M. Griffin, executive director, Disability Law 
Center of Massachusetts
   *   Arlene S. Kanter; Bond, Schoeneck, and King Distinguished 
Professor; Syracuse University College of Law
   *   Marc Maurer, immediate past president, National Federation of the Blind
   *   Arlene B. Mayerson, directing attorney, Disability Rights 
Education and Defense Fund
   *   Ari Ne'eman, co-founder and president, Autistic Self Advocacy Network
   *   Laurence Paradis, executive director and co-director of 
litigation, Disability Rights Advocates
   *   Mark Riccobono, president[N1] , National Federation of the Blind
   *   Howard A. Rosenblum, chief executive officer, National 
Association of the Deaf
   *   Fredric K. Schroeder, research professor, San Diego State 
University; first vice president, World Blind Union
   *   Anita Silvers, professor and chair of Philosophy, San 
Francisco State University
   *   Michael Ashley Stein, visiting professor of law, Harvard Law 
School; co-founder and executive director, Harvard Law School Project 
on Disability; professor of law, William and Mary Law School
   *   Judge Richard B. Teitelman, Supreme Court of Missouri
   *   Kathryn Walker, criminal justice fellow, The Arc
   *   Michael Waterstone, visiting professor of law, Northwestern 
University School of Law; J. Howard Ziemann Fellow and professor of 
law, Loyola Law School Los Angeles

Documentation for CLE credits will be provided.

Registration fee: $175
Student registration fee: $25

For more information about the symposium, hotel accommodations, and 
symposium sponsorship opportunities, please visit 
https://nfb.org/law-symposium.

You can register online by going to: 
https://nfb.org/civicrm/event/register?reset=1&id=49.

You may also download from the symposium website a registration form 
to mail or fax.

For additional information, contact:

Lou Ann Blake, JD
Law Symposium Coordinator
Jernigan Institute
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street
at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, Maryland 21230
Telephone: 410-659-9314, ext. 2221
Email: lblake at nfb.org<mailto:lblake at nfb.org>



Lou Ann Blake, J.D.
HAVA Project Manager and Law Symposium Coordinator
Jernigan Institute
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
200 East Wells Street
     at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
Telephone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2221
Fax: (410) 659-5129
E-mail: lblake at nfb.org<mailto:lblake at nfb.org>
Web site: www.nfb.org<http://www.nfb.org/>

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create 
obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life 
you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind 
Imagination Fund campaign, please visit 
www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture<http://www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture>.




________________________________

  [N1]I've made a couple changes to make this section consistent in 
capitalization, but to avoid any flak you may get for this President 
deal, you may opt to capitalize everyone's title. Just a suggestion.



From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Mon Dec 22 02:50:54 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:50:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed
Message-ID: <7983AC45-1929-4063-8EA8-EFBC171FA473@aol.com>

Hi everyone,

What would you do if you had a medical situation come up which prevented you from completing a course. You did not start the course and it would not prevent you from graduating. You have the opportunity to take the course in the spring but, your adviser believes you do not want to even though you have told them repeatedly you want to. They dropped you from the program and said you can't take courses from that selection anymore only because of a health problem. 
The dean has no problem with it. What is your next move? 
I know this is worded weird but, come on I started having neurological issues which prevented me from doing excessive amounts of work. 
I have to fix this ASAP. Any advice is appreciated.  

Thanks,
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

From mausbun at unr.edu  Mon Dec 22 03:00:30 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 03:00:30 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed
In-Reply-To: <7983AC45-1929-4063-8EA8-EFBC171FA473@aol.com>
References: <7983AC45-1929-4063-8EA8-EFBC171FA473@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E6CA2FCC-A613-40AE-975A-051BA4A79137@unr.edu>

Hello:
If it were me, I would do one of three things: 
1) take the class anyway, ignoring what your adviser says. They are there to advise you, not dictate which classes you can and cannot take.
2) evaluate the necessity of taking the course. If the course doesn't help, and it would just be silly to take it, then I would not take it.
3) talk to the professor who teaches that class, find out the parameters and information which you may need to know to succeed in that setting. If it doesn't appear to be overwhelming, take the class or audit it.
I hope that helps, it's just what I would probably do if I were in your shoes.
Best regards
Michael 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> What would you do if you had a medical situation come up which prevented you from completing a course. You did not start the course and it would not prevent you from graduating. You have the opportunity to take the course in the spring but, your adviser believes you do not want to even though you have told them repeatedly you want to. They dropped you from the program and said you can't take courses from that selection anymore only because of a health problem. 
> The dean has no problem with it. What is your next move? 
> I know this is worded weird but, come on I started having neurological issues which prevented me from doing excessive amounts of work. 
> I have to fix this ASAP. Any advice is appreciated.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Bridget
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Mon Dec 22 03:55:51 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:55:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Information needed
In-Reply-To: <CAMRf8a0MGEW0a+4bG9Unm3rOmdgEf930E0JzLWBdYbFG89eXoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMRf8a0MGEW0a+4bG9Unm3rOmdgEf930E0JzLWBdYbFG89eXoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6622839F-E81E-4ADF-81A1-25F62174FF07@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Hey!  I went to OU for undergrad in Norman. I'm happy to answer any questions. 

Congrats on the job!

Derek Manners
9032716494

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 20, 2014, at 6:41 PM, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I got a new job in Oklahoma City and I’m wondering is there anyone in
> this group who live there? I’ll be moving within 2 weeks and have a
> few questions. Even if you live in different city, could you please
> reach me off-list?
> 
> Happy holidays to everybody!
> 
> Zeynep
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 05:37:43 2014
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:37:43 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed
In-Reply-To: <E6CA2FCC-A613-40AE-975A-051BA4A79137@unr.edu>
References: <7983AC45-1929-4063-8EA8-EFBC171FA473@aol.com>
	<E6CA2FCC-A613-40AE-975A-051BA4A79137@unr.edu>
Message-ID: <FD51201F-3639-40E4-91DA-9D864B590506@gmail.com>

Agreed. Your advisor doesn't have the right to dictate what you can and cannot take. If they've put an actual hold on the class that prevents you from registering, go over their head to the chair of the department or the seen. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 21, 2014, at 19:00, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> If it were me, I would do one of three things: 
> 1) take the class anyway, ignoring what your adviser says. They are there to advise you, not dictate which classes you can and cannot take.
> 2) evaluate the necessity of taking the course. If the course doesn't help, and it would just be silly to take it, then I would not take it.
> 3) talk to the professor who teaches that class, find out the parameters and information which you may need to know to succeed in that setting. If it doesn't appear to be overwhelming, take the class or audit it.
> I hope that helps, it's just what I would probably do if I were in your shoes.
> Best regards
> Michael 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> What would you do if you had a medical situation come up which prevented you from completing a course. You did not start the course and it would not prevent you from graduating. You have the opportunity to take the course in the spring but, your adviser believes you do not want to even though you have told them repeatedly you want to. They dropped you from the program and said you can't take courses from that selection anymore only because of a health problem. 
>> The dean has no problem with it. What is your next move? 
>> I know this is worded weird but, come on I started having neurological issues which prevented me from doing excessive amounts of work. 
>> I have to fix this ASAP. Any advice is appreciated.  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bridget
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 06:56:29 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 01:56:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed
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	<FD51201F-3639-40E4-91DA-9D864B590506@gmail.com>
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Hi Bridget! I also agree that the Advisor can't  tell you that you can't take a class just because a health problem! In fact, I think, but this is only my opinion, if stoping a class of a program just because of a helth problem, then probably a some day an advisor will stop a blind student of taking tha class of  acourse that they want to take just because he or she is just blind since the adviser will assume that his or her blindness is a health issue! But again, this just my opinion ok? In fact, if you really want to take this class, but your advisor doe snot let you even though you have insisted him, I think you should go to the probost of your college and thel him or her your situation andif that does not work, you probably should take an  an step up,  I think you should go to see the Vice President of the college or University and tell him or her your situation! And by doing that, it will definitely be solved! I actually did that when problems in my college occured! Hope this helps! Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:37 AM, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Agreed. Your advisor doesn't have the right to dictate what you can and cannot take. If they've put an actual hold on the class that prevents you from registering, go over their head to the chair of the department or the seen. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 19:00, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> If it were me, I would do one of three things: 
>> 1) take the class anyway, ignoring what your adviser says. They are there to advise you, not dictate which classes you can and cannot take.
>> 2) evaluate the necessity of taking the course. If the course doesn't help, and it would just be silly to take it, then I would not take it.
>> 3) talk to the professor who teaches that class, find out the parameters and information which you may need to know to succeed in that setting. If it doesn't appear to be overwhelming, take the class or audit it.
>> I hope that helps, it's just what I would probably do if I were in your shoes.
>> Best regards
>> Michael 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> What would you do if you had a medical situation come up which prevented you from completing a course. You did not start the course and it would not prevent you from graduating. You have the opportunity to take the course in the spring but, your adviser believes you do not want to even though you have told them repeatedly you want to. They dropped you from the program and said you can't take courses from that selection anymore only because of a health problem. 
>>> The dean has no problem with it. What is your next move? 
>>> I know this is worded weird but, come on I started having neurological issues which prevented me from doing excessive amounts of work. 
>>> I have to fix this ASAP. Any advice is appreciated.  
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bridget
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 14:41:10 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:41:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed
Message-ID: <54982db4.51a26b0a.69be.ffffbcee@mx.google.com>

Hi bridget,

Can you give us some more information about what this course is 
and exactly what happened?  Without knowing exactly why you were 
dropped from the program and what you can and cannot take it's 
difficult to give useful advice.  Being dropped from a program 
for a health problem would be entirely reasonable as long as the 
problem is permanent and prevents you from doing what you have to 
do to complete the program, but if it's for some other reason, 
then that's of course ridiculous.  As others have said, what your 
adviser says is irrelevant because you can take whatever courses 
you want unless you're talking about a departmental advisor, who 
does have the authority to remove you from a program.  If this 
persists, you should go up the chain of authority.  First talk to 
the advisor again and see if you can straiten things out.  If 
that doesn't work, go to the department chair, and if that 
doesn't work, go to the dean.  Whatever you do don't start off by 
going straight to the provost or president; that just makes you 
look like a trouble maker who isn't smart enough to use proper 
procedures.  You might end up talking to the upper levels of the 
administration, but make sure you've gone through all the lower 
levels first.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:50:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed

Hi everyone,

What would you do if you had a medical situation come up which 
prevented you from completing a course. You did not start the 
course and it would not prevent you from graduating. You have the 
opportunity to take the course in the spring but, your adviser 
believes you do not want to even though you have told them 
repeatedly you want to. They dropped you from the program and 
said you can't take courses from that selection anymore only 
because of a health problem.
The dean has no problem with it. What is your next move?
I know this is worded weird but, come on I started having 
neurological issues which prevented me from doing excessive 
amounts of work.
I have to fix this ASAP. Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks,
Bridget

Sent from my iPad
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 18:46:50 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:46:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Help Save A Child's Life And Have Tons Of Fun At
 My Annual Holiday Party Next Monday Night
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References: <21E08A7D80664AD2A16B8BB9C489E75B@AudioAccessFMPC>
	<COL403-EAS4322AAADD6F56CAF8D746EECB680@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAMjrC+y6YT6znm0NYQBMre43MJ5dMidAb9UYvpohi4syfbtmvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Preston for sharing this. It might not be on topic, but it's
awesome to help save a child's life, and those children could be blind
students of the future. Go to
http://wdjm3.com
and click on the web player to listen between 7 and 11 PM eastern
tonight. Or visit
http://sky106.net
and click the link to listen, or find Sky106 on Tunein with your phone
or put the following into your media player of choice:
http://listen.sky106.net:9016/stream
Remember just by listening, you're helping to save the life of a
child, for what ever our listener peak is will be matched in money for
St Jude Research Hospital.

On 12/20/14, Preston Gaylor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "David Dunphy" <supporttheportal at mytvland.net>
>> Date: December 15, 2014 at 7:29:02 PM EST
>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> Subject: Help Save A Child's Life And Have Tons Of Fun At My Annual
>> Holiday Party Next Monday Night
>>
>> Greetings All!
>> This is David Dunphy, here to tell you about the very exciting Christmas
>> show and event taking place on December 22 2014 between 7 and 11 PM
>> eastern. Whether you live in the US, Canada, New Zealand, or the UK, there
>> will be something here for everybody, and I firmly believe this will be a
>> four hour event you will never forget!
>> I'm telling you about this event now because there are going to be
>> opportunities to give to a child you love, come away with a special gift
>> for yourself or family member, and a chance to give back, just by tuning
>> in. Here are the details. Please feel free to pass this along to any
>> friends or family you think would be interested. Details of this event can
>> also be found at
>> http://wdjm3.weebly.com/davidchristmas2014.html
>> Here are the details, and I'm so excited to be able to share this with the
>> Sky106 staff and family. I can always be reached at
>> internetradioentertainer at gmail.com
>> with any questions. But I've dropped hints, made comments, and now the
>> details are here.
>> 1. Time And Place:
>> The show will be airing on December 22 between 7 and 11 PM US eastern time
>> on wdjm3.com
>> http://www.wdjm3.com
>> and Sky106
>> http://www.sky106.net
>> Both web sites provide links to listen, and a reminder email will be sent
>> out with direct listen links. Tune in for the best in holiday classics,
>> Christmas related comedy and more. You'll be thrown in a musical holiday
>> world, which will include our traditional look at Santa's modes of
>> transportation, my rendition of The Night Before Christmas, holiday
>> favorites and more!!
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. Give To That Special Child In Your Life:
>>
>> Do you have a son or daughter? A cousin you'd like to get something
>> special for?
>> Now you can. Send me an email between now and Monday, December 22 at 12
>> Noon eastern time to
>> internetradioentertainer at gmail.com
>> with your name, the child's name, and something you know they want or you
>> would like to get for them. The maximum budget for this is 40 dollars.
>> Based on entries we receive, one will be selected at random. The select
>> person will be called live on air via skype or phone (so be sure to
>> include those details in an email) and we will call you live on the air
>> during Hour2 to let you know that we'll either send you the gift directly
>> to your home or provide you the money via paypal to get the gift you
>> mentioned in your email. You can get in touch with any  questions you may
>> have using the above email address
>> internetradioentertainer at gmail.com
>>
>> 3. Leave A Holiday Greeting, Win Something Cool..
>>
>> You have a chance to be heard during our live special. At the top of each
>> hour, we'll be taking any holiday greetings we receive, and putting them
>> together to form a special presentation of well wishes from our listeners.
>> An mp3 or wave file with nothing but just your voice can be emailed in to
>> internetradioentertainer at gmail.com
>> or you can call your message in by phone by dialing
>> 206-208-4539
>>
>> Only your holiday greeting and name will be played over the air. If you
>> send an audio file, please do not include any background music, just your
>> voice.
>> And in the message, and this part won't be played on the air, include your
>> phone number or skype details. We will call one of these people during the
>> last hour, and the person selected will win either
>> 100 dollars in cash
>> or
>> a MyPassport USB 2 TB External Hard drive.
>>
>> Again, direct all questions to my email at
>> internetradioentertainer at gmail.com
>> or through the above number. All people on the stations carrying this
>> event except me are eligible to win, so get those greetings in. All must
>> be received by noon on December 22 2014.
>>
>> 3. Just Listen And Give Back....
>>
>> If you just want to be entertained by our fun holiday antics and music,
>> that's fine too. Make sure you listen, cause the listener numbers we get
>> are important.
>> At the top of each hour, our listener peak will be calculated.
>> In the last hour, we'll be taking our listener peak number, and donating
>> that amount in dollars to St Jude Children's Research Hospital. This
>> hospital specializes in finding cures and treatments for children with
>> cancer or similar illnesses, and no child is turned away based on sex,
>> race or their ability to pay.
>> You can read more about this great cause at
>> http://www.stjude.org
>> And the donation will be made live during the final hour in a very special
>> and beautiful holiday presentation, and all those who want proof this was
>> done may ask for it via email so you know this is serious and that just by
>> listening, you could help save the life of a child. And what's brighter
>> than the smiling face of a child at Christmas time?
>>
>>
>> As I think you can tell, this is going to be a night of holiday cheer,
>> great fun, and some cool presentations.
>> So join me for a night of giving, entertainment and more, as my annual
>> holiday special will take to the internet air waves on Monday, December
>> 22, 2014 between 7 and 11 PM US eastern time.
>> Get in those greetings, and get ready for some holiday magic!
>> I hope to see you all there!
>> From David Dunphy
> Hi everyone,
> Thought you may be interested in our good friend DJD's holiday event on
> Monday night at 7 PM ET.
> Find out more below!
> And happy holidays to all!
> Preston
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 06:53:12 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 01:53:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed
In-Reply-To: <54982db4.51a26b0a.69be.ffffbcee@mx.google.com>
References: <54982db4.51a26b0a.69be.ffffbcee@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7Fba8moUeuysCYohsuTmsofcdCgs0RkWb1pYaosaxtDTaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dropping a person from a program only makes sense if the health
problem involved would impact that course though.  It sounds like
although it was an issue before it isn't now, so I do not see dropping
her from the program as right.

I think Michael is right in his assessment of options.  I think your
advisor is overstepping his bounds here, and that if the dean has no
problem with you taking the course and it won't be an issue for you,
then you could use the dean as an ally here.  I also think that if
this course is something you're passionate about you should take it,
but if the battle is more trouble than it is worth you might want to
consider whether or not you want a battle on your hands since the
course isn't needed for you to meet graduation requirements.

But, it would be helpful to know what this course is.

On 12/22/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi bridget,
>
> Can you give us some more information about what this course is
> and exactly what happened?  Without knowing exactly why you were
> dropped from the program and what you can and cannot take it's
> difficult to give useful advice.  Being dropped from a program
> for a health problem would be entirely reasonable as long as the
> problem is permanent and prevents you from doing what you have to
> do to complete the program, but if it's for some other reason,
> then that's of course ridiculous.  As others have said, what your
> adviser says is irrelevant because you can take whatever courses
> you want unless you're talking about a departmental advisor, who
> does have the authority to remove you from a program.  If this
> persists, you should go up the chain of authority.  First talk to
> the advisor again and see if you can straiten things out.  If
> that doesn't work, go to the department chair, and if that
> doesn't work, go to the dean.  Whatever you do don't start off by
> going straight to the provost or president; that just makes you
> look like a trouble maker who isn't smart enough to use proper
> procedures.  You might end up talking to the upper levels of the
> administration, but make sure you've gone through all the lower
> levels first.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:50:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> What would you do if you had a medical situation come up which
> prevented you from completing a course. You did not start the
> course and it would not prevent you from graduating. You have the
> opportunity to take the course in the spring but, your adviser
> believes you do not want to even though you have told them
> repeatedly you want to. They dropped you from the program and
> said you can't take courses from that selection anymore only
> because of a health problem.
> The dean has no problem with it. What is your next move?
> I know this is worded weird but, come on I started having
> neurological issues which prevented me from doing excessive
> amounts of work.
> I have to fix this ASAP. Any advice is appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bridget
>
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Kaiti


From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Tue Dec 23 16:58:50 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 11:58:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7Fba8moUeuysCYohsuTmsofcdCgs0RkWb1pYaosaxtDTaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54982db4.51a26b0a.69be.ffffbcee@mx.google.com>
	<CAFja7Fba8moUeuysCYohsuTmsofcdCgs0RkWb1pYaosaxtDTaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67B10DEC-6B6C-48B2-A1C3-F3B27DD0C832@aol.com>

The course is intro ASL which I have already taken in undergrad. The grad one is an independent study. I make videos of me signing different things and submit to a professor for review. When I meet with my professor it is one on one so tactile sign language should not be a problem. 


Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 23, 26 Heisei, at 1:53 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dropping a person from a program only makes sense if the health
> problem involved would impact that course though.  It sounds like
> although it was an issue before it isn't now, so I do not see dropping
> her from the program as right.
> 
> I think Michael is right in his assessment of options.  I think your
> advisor is overstepping his bounds here, and that if the dean has no
> problem with you taking the course and it won't be an issue for you,
> then you could use the dean as an ally here.  I also think that if
> this course is something you're passionate about you should take it,
> but if the battle is more trouble than it is worth you might want to
> consider whether or not you want a battle on your hands since the
> course isn't needed for you to meet graduation requirements.
> 
> But, it would be helpful to know what this course is.
> 
>> On 12/22/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi bridget,
>> 
>> Can you give us some more information about what this course is
>> and exactly what happened?  Without knowing exactly why you were
>> dropped from the program and what you can and cannot take it's
>> difficult to give useful advice.  Being dropped from a program
>> for a health problem would be entirely reasonable as long as the
>> problem is permanent and prevents you from doing what you have to
>> do to complete the program, but if it's for some other reason,
>> then that's of course ridiculous.  As others have said, what your
>> adviser says is irrelevant because you can take whatever courses
>> you want unless you're talking about a departmental advisor, who
>> does have the authority to remove you from a program.  If this
>> persists, you should go up the chain of authority.  First talk to
>> the advisor again and see if you can straiten things out.  If
>> that doesn't work, go to the department chair, and if that
>> doesn't work, go to the dean.  Whatever you do don't start off by
>> going straight to the provost or president; that just makes you
>> look like a trouble maker who isn't smart enough to use proper
>> procedures.  You might end up talking to the upper levels of the
>> administration, but make sure you've gone through all the lower
>> levels first.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Karl
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:50:54 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Advice needed
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> What would you do if you had a medical situation come up which
>> prevented you from completing a course. You did not start the
>> course and it would not prevent you from graduating. You have the
>> opportunity to take the course in the spring but, your adviser
>> believes you do not want to even though you have told them
>> repeatedly you want to. They dropped you from the program and
>> said you can't take courses from that selection anymore only
>> because of a health problem.
>> The dean has no problem with it. What is your next move?
>> I know this is worded weird but, come on I started having
>> neurological issues which prevented me from doing excessive
>> amounts of work.
>> I have to fix this ASAP. Any advice is appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bridget
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
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> Kaiti
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From becsjoynfb at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 22:24:38 2014
From: becsjoynfb at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:24:38 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] Update us! NABS notes Request for state updates
Message-ID: <DED569F8-8D6A-49BA-8480-14F156C4987C@gmail.com>

Fellow Students,
Hopefully this Christmas break  finds you well. As we on the communications
committee assemble our monthly issue of NABS notes, we are excited to hear what your state is up to! If you have announcements and/ or
updates from your student’s state division which you would like
published in our next month’s edition, you are most welcome to send
them along to Gabe at:
Gcazares10 at gmail.com
Or Rebecca at:
becsjoynfb at gmail.com
cheers and happiest of holidays,
Rebecca~


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 25 02:38:41 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:38:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] merry christmas
Message-ID: <5A0A3F954FFE446ABF89626D04080EAD@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I will likely not write emails tomorrow.

I’ll celebrate in the morning over brunch with my brother Jon who now has a family; my 1 year old niece is with him. Then my parents and I will celebrate Christmas out at a restaurant.

I hope it’s a good day.

Merry christmas to all!

Ashley

From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Thu Dec 25 04:02:53 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 22:02:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Merry Christmas from the Nusbaum Family!
Message-ID: <4EF86F90-A193-4BCF-A803-F6F8F9B91334@gmail.com>

Dear Friends:

Before our church service begins and I neglect to send this out, I would like to wish everyone in my Federation family a very merry Christmas! May this season be filled with joy, time spent with family and many blessings. Each day I thank God for the National Federation of the Blind and for what all of you have done so that I may live the life I want. May 2015 bring new progress in our journey toward first-class citizenship. From Kansas City, where my family is currently gathered, Merry Christmas to everyone in the Federation family, wherever you may be!

Chris Nusbaum

From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Thu Dec 25 04:22:25 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 22:22:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Merry Christmas from the Nusbaum Family!
In-Reply-To: <4EF86F90-A193-4BCF-A803-F6F8F9B91334@gmail.com>
References: <4EF86F90-A193-4BCF-A803-F6F8F9B91334@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP211F22D70C48C3596170CC4CE550@phx.gbl>

Well thank you Chris in the same right back to you and yours.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Dec 24, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Friends:
> 
> Before our church service begins and I neglect to send this out, I would like to wish everyone in my Federation family a very merry Christmas! May this season be filled with joy, time spent with family and many blessings. Each day I thank God for the National Federation of the Blind and for what all of you have done so that I may live the life I want. May 2015 bring new progress in our journey toward first-class citizenship. From Kansas City, where my family is currently gathered, Merry Christmas to everyone in the Federation family, wherever you may be!
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
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From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 25 21:01:31 2014
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (martinezana770 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 14:01:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <D44635BC-47A9-469C-8EC7-A16D1A706489@gmail.com>

Mary christmas all!!!

Sent from my iPhone

From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 25 21:03:12 2014
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (martinezana770 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 14:03:12 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Sports camp
Message-ID: <DE1DB2A6-38B8-4709-8B29-3FA6519F2DEA@gmail.com>

Has any of you attended any sports camp for the blind? If so to which one?  How did you like it?

Sent from my iPhone

From kwakmiso at aol.com  Fri Dec 26 05:36:25 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 00:36:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader
Message-ID: <8D1EEE50646687C-AD0-74944@webmail-vm060.sysops.aol.com>

HI all,
I purchased KNFB Reader today since it had discounted price. I have 
been experimenting with the app for a little while and at this point I 
am considering to file a report in hope of getting refund.
At first it was really hard to take a good picture because the app was 
keep saying no text found when I knew clearly that there is a text on 
the paper I was taking picture of.
When I took a good enough picture it would have a lot of broken text - 
enough so that I was having a hard time understanding most of the time. 
I am also not sure how to control how much text it is capturing per 
picture.
Has anyone else experienced this kind of problem?
Perhaps the fact that my phone is iPhone 5 rather than 5s or 6 is a 
factor?
Right now I am considering to report and request refund from iTunes 
store but should I also consider discussing this matter with the KNFB 
Reader development team?
Miso Kwak




From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 06:26:03 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 01:26:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader
Message-ID: <549cffb2.c788320a.39fd.023f@mx.google.com>

Try tinkering with how far away from the page you are holding the 
phone.  It can be a bit finicky.  When I had the old KNFB reader 
on my Nokia I was surprised to find that holding the phone 
farther away from the page was usually better.  It also depends 
on how large the font of the text you're reading is.  The larger 
the letters, the farther away you have to hold the phone.  When 
reading things with really big letters like signs I had to back 
up a couple yards.  In general, I would always recommend trying 
to make something work for more than a day before giving up on 
it.  Talking to someone from KNFB reader and seeing if they have 
any suggestions for how to make it work better also can't hurt.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 00:36:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader

HI all,
I purchased KNFB Reader today since it had discounted price. I 
have
been experimenting with the app for a little while and at this 
point I
am considering to file a report in hope of getting refund.
At first it was really hard to take a good picture because the 
app was
keep saying no text found when I knew clearly that there is a 
text on
the paper I was taking picture of.
When I took a good enough picture it would have a lot of broken 
text -
enough so that I was having a hard time understanding most of the 
time.
I am also not sure how to control how much text it is capturing 
per
picture.
Has anyone else experienced this kind of problem?
Perhaps the fact that my phone is iPhone 5 rather than 5s or 6 is 
a
factor?
Right now I am considering to report and request refund from 
iTunes
store but should I also consider discussing this matter with the 
KNFB
Reader development team?
Miso Kwak



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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 06:29:06 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 01:29:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <8D1EEE50646687C-AD0-74944@webmail-vm060.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D1EEE50646687C-AD0-74944@webmail-vm060.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <A08074BC-81D5-4D33-9C75-BF76BE8027D3@gmail.com>

Hi Miso,
I have been pretty successful with the app on an iPhone 5. It definitely takes some practice. Control how much text is scanned by raising or lowering the phone. Have you played with the leveling feature? It gives you a vibration when the phone is not level. I didn’t realize how much I was tilting the phone but leveling it has improved my results greatly. 


> On Dec 26, 2014, at 12:36 AM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> HI all,
> I purchased KNFB Reader today since it had discounted price. I have been experimenting with the app for a little while and at this point I am considering to file a report in hope of getting refund.
> At first it was really hard to take a good picture because the app was keep saying no text found when I knew clearly that there is a text on the paper I was taking picture of.
> When I took a good enough picture it would have a lot of broken text - enough so that I was having a hard time understanding most of the time. I am also not sure how to control how much text it is capturing per picture.
> Has anyone else experienced this kind of problem?
> Perhaps the fact that my phone is iPhone 5 rather than 5s or 6 is a factor?
> Right now I am considering to report and request refund from iTunes store but should I also consider discussing this matter with the KNFB Reader development team?
> Miso Kwak
> 
> 
> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Dec 26 06:30:21 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 00:30:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <8D1EEE50646687C-AD0-74944@webmail-vm060.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D1EEE50646687C-AD0-74944@webmail-vm060.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000010506147@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Your experience is not typical.  As to the amount of text, if you 
take a good picture you will get all of the current page.  You can 
join the reader-users page and get good advice:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/reader-users_nfbnet.org

Dave

At 11:36 PM 12/25/2014, you wrote:
>HI all,
>I purchased KNFB Reader today since it had discounted price. I have 
>been experimenting with the app for a little while and at this point 
>I am considering to file a report in hope of getting refund.
>At first it was really hard to take a good picture because the app 
>was keep saying no text found when I knew clearly that there is a 
>text on the paper I was taking picture of.
>When I took a good enough picture it would have a lot of broken text 
>- enough so that I was having a hard time understanding most of the 
>time. I am also not sure how to control how much text it is 
>capturing per picture.
>Has anyone else experienced this kind of problem?
>Perhaps the fact that my phone is iPhone 5 rather than 5s or 6 is a factor?
>Right now I am considering to report and request refund from iTunes 
>store but should I also consider discussing this matter with the 
>KNFB Reader development team?
>Miso Kwak

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From kwakmiso at aol.com  Fri Dec 26 06:58:41 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 01:58:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <auto-000010506147@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000010506147@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <8D1EEF08490BF7A-1F8C-47E48@webmail-va063.sysops.aol.com>

Thank you for the feedback.
Carl, I see...
Greg, Yes I think the tilt guidance feature is helpful.
Based on my understanding, does no vibration mean that the phone is 
level with my page?
Dave, thanks for the link. I will check it out.
As for broken text is it most likely because the picture quality is 
poor?
Miso

-----Original Message-----
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
To: Miso Kwak <kwakmiso at aol.com>; National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thu, Dec 25, 2014 10:30 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader

Your experience is not typical.  As to the amount of text, if you
take a good picture you will get all of the current page.  You can
join the reader-users page and get good advice:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/reader-users_nfbnet.org

Dave

At 11:36 PM 12/25/2014, you wrote:
>HI all,
>I purchased KNFB Reader today since it had discounted price. I have
>been experimenting with the app for a little while and at this point
>I am considering to file a report in hope of getting refund.
>At first it was really hard to take a good picture because the app
>was keep saying no text found when I knew clearly that there is a
>text on the paper I was taking picture of.
>When I took a good enough picture it would have a lot of broken text
>- enough so that I was having a hard time understanding most of the
>time. I am also not sure how to control how much text it is
>capturing per picture.
>Has anyone else experienced this kind of problem?
>Perhaps the fact that my phone is iPhone 5 rather than 5s or 6 is a 
factor?
>Right now I am considering to report and request refund from iTunes
>store but should I also consider discussing this matter with the
>KNFB Reader development team?
>Miso Kwak

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org






From leyeshprintse at ymail.com  Fri Dec 26 12:35:37 2014
From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:35:37 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] To Tell or Not to Tell: "I'm Blind."
Message-ID: <58FA904C-F03D-4BF4-889F-7BB2AF39E2C8@ymail.com>

BS'D

Hello all,

Recently, I've thought a lot about when I'll tell, or not tell, people that I'm blind. I live in Sweden and have been told since childhood, by the Low Vision Centre, the Swedish Association of the Visually Impaired and teachers, that I need to tell people that I'm blind; otherwise, I'd be rude or people wouldn't treat me fairly.

However, my experience is the other side around; and lately, it has become painfully clear to me that people judge me even before they've met me because I've told them that I'm blind and use a guide dog as my mobility aid. The main reason why I tell people this is because it's legal in Sweden to denny guide dog handlers access because of the 'dog'.

Since this last thing happened tough, I've decided to not tell people that I'm blind in the future; I'll only tell universities beforehand and maybe employers if it'll help my application. It'll take time tough to not feel guilty about it; I even feel guilty when I think these thoughts. Brain washed or not?!?

I want to be judged for the person I'm and not because of my disability. My disability has formed me, but I'm not my disability. Okay? Right now, I'm very tired and sad! I'd need a hug or two!

When do you tell or not tell that you're blind?

Lesholom,
Leye-Shprintse Öberg

From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 13:43:43 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 07:43:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <8D1EEE50646687C-AD0-74944@webmail-vm060.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D1EEE50646687C-AD0-74944@webmail-vm060.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <DC114578-C37F-47C7-B1DB-365BBA730E61@gmail.com>

Hi,
I'm glad someone brought this up because I'm having a lot of issues as well with this application. It is really frustrating to spend hundred dollars on the application and not get the results I was expecting it have heard about. I'm also having issues when I take a picture that it is either reading broken text or not an entire page of text when I know there's entire page of text to be read.A lot of times when I take a picture it'll say no text found or it'll give me a bunch of jibber jabber which is difficult to understand or only parts of the page. It is very frustrating because I was expecting this app to do a lot more than what I've been able to get it to do and I was super excited and thinking that it would be a good help

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 25, 2014, at 11:36 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> HI all,
> I purchased KNFB Reader today since it had discounted price. I have been experimenting with the app for a little while and at this point I am considering to file a report in hope of getting refund.
> At first it was really hard to take a good picture because the app was keep saying no text found when I knew clearly that there is a text on the paper I was taking picture of.
> When I took a good enough picture it would have a lot of broken text - enough so that I was having a hard time understanding most of the time. I am also not sure how to control how much text it is capturing per picture.
> Has anyone else experienced this kind of problem?
> Perhaps the fact that my phone is iPhone 5 rather than 5s or 6 is a factor?
> Right now I am considering to report and request refund from iTunes store but should I also consider discussing this matter with the KNFB Reader development team?
> Miso Kwak
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 17:20:29 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 12:20:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <DC114578-C37F-47C7-B1DB-365BBA730E61@gmail.com>
References: <8D1EEE50646687C-AD0-74944@webmail-vm060.sysops.aol.com>
	<DC114578-C37F-47C7-B1DB-365BBA730E61@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008d01d02130$3fdc1880$bf944980$@gmail.com>

I took advantage of the discounted sale on my iPhone 4S. I know it was
configured to work with the 4S, but I also know my camera is inferior to
later models. So, we can start there. The camera gradually improves to the
current models, and the image stabilizer on the 6 Plus is going to be your
best bet. That said, a lot of it comes down to properly aiming the camera.
You could use one of the stands they sell out there or learn how to properly
align the camera with the text. After all, the camera can only capture what
you are allowing it to see. I too got disappointing results, but I'm
attributing this to user error. Also, the kind of source you use is
important. I experienced better results with traditional printed documents
as opposed to DVD box labels, etc. Point is, hang in there. It takes
learning, and I don't regret having purchased the app at the discount rate.
I figure when I get my new iPhone next year, I will have brought along the
app not having to pay full price for it.

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Graves
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 8:44 AM
To: Miso Kwak; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader

Hi,
I'm glad someone brought this up because I'm having a lot of issues as well
with this application. It is really frustrating to spend hundred dollars on
the application and not get the results I was expecting it have heard about.
I'm also having issues when I take a picture that it is either reading
broken text or not an entire page of text when I know there's entire page of
text to be read.A lot of times when I take a picture it'll say no text found
or it'll give me a bunch of jibber jabber which is difficult to understand
or only parts of the page. It is very frustrating because I was expecting
this app to do a lot more than what I've been able to get it to do and I was
super excited and thinking that it would be a good help

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 25, 2014, at 11:36 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> HI all,
> I purchased KNFB Reader today since it had discounted price. I have been
experimenting with the app for a little while and at this point I am
considering to file a report in hope of getting refund.
> At first it was really hard to take a good picture because the app was
keep saying no text found when I knew clearly that there is a text on the
paper I was taking picture of.
> When I took a good enough picture it would have a lot of broken text -
enough so that I was having a hard time understanding most of the time. I am
also not sure how to control how much text it is capturing per picture.
> Has anyone else experienced this kind of problem?
> Perhaps the fact that my phone is iPhone 5 rather than 5s or 6 is a
factor?
> Right now I am considering to report and request refund from iTunes store
but should I also consider discussing this matter with the KNFB Reader
development team?
> Miso Kwak
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 22:17:34 2014
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:17:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] To Tell or Not to Tell: "I'm Blind."
In-Reply-To: <58FA904C-F03D-4BF4-889F-7BB2AF39E2C8@ymail.com>
References: <58FA904C-F03D-4BF4-889F-7BB2AF39E2C8@ymail.com>
Message-ID: <8C1A85A9-07FC-4692-9F2F-79DDEAF13430@gmail.com>

Usually I just  tell university or when I'm looking for a job but I have only had jobs during the summertime

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Dec 26, 2014, at 05:35, Leye-Shprintse Öberg via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> BS'D
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Recently, I've thought a lot about when I'll tell, or not tell, people that I'm blind. I live in Sweden and have been told since childhood, by the Low Vision Centre, the Swedish Association of the Visually Impaired and teachers, that I need to tell people that I'm blind; otherwise, I'd be rude or people wouldn't treat me fairly.
> 
> However, my experience is the other side around; and lately, it has become painfully clear to me that people judge me even before they've met me because I've told them that I'm blind and use a guide dog as my mobility aid. The main reason why I tell people this is because it's legal in Sweden to denny guide dog handlers access because of the 'dog'.
> 
> Since this last thing happened tough, I've decided to not tell people that I'm blind in the future; I'll only tell universities beforehand and maybe employers if it'll help my application. It'll take time tough to not feel guilty about it; I even feel guilty when I think these thoughts. Brain washed or not?!?
> 
> I want to be judged for the person I'm and not because of my disability. My disability has formed me, but I'm not my disability. Okay? Right now, I'm very tired and sad! I'd need a hug or two!
> 
> When do you tell or not tell that you're blind?
> 
> Lesholom,
> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 07:21:41 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 02:21:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] To Tell or Not to Tell: "I'm Blind."
In-Reply-To: <8C1A85A9-07FC-4692-9F2F-79DDEAF13430@gmail.com>
References: <58FA904C-F03D-4BF4-889F-7BB2AF39E2C8@ymail.com>
	<8C1A85A9-07FC-4692-9F2F-79DDEAF13430@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D9F0DB3-25BD-445A-985C-2EBBF61F7EDB@gmail.com>

Hi Lesholom, this is Helga! I just wanted to tell you that I think you should tell the people that you are blind. I know that sometimes or  even all the times people judge a visually impaired, or blind person just because he or she has a guide dog or even a cane thinking that they can do anything just because they can see! In fact, I think you should not pay attention to the judgement since i think if those people judge you is because they don't want to share with you as a friend or as a individual who do the same things as the sighted. Also, I just wanted to tell you that you should tell people that you are blind in order to start a conversation and in that way, you will probably find a friend that is willing to help you some day in something that you need in regards of mobility as an example. I'm not saying that telling the people that you are blind, will be the only way that you will start a conversation, I'm just sayng that is one way to do so. Just to let you know, I actually live in the United States, whereever I go I always tell everyone I meet that i'm blind so that they can know me better and also to start many types of conversations, which in the end sometimes I ended up becoming best friends with them! And also, just to let you know, I don't kow if this a judge or not, but sometimes my college advisor told me before that i can't do a math classs because I'm blind, and I told her that yes I can do it,a nd also have many issues with her! But I don't let this problems to pull me down. By saying this, I recommend you to don't let the judgements to stop you in fulfilling your dreams and goals! Next time someone judge you, ignore that and show them that you can do everything as thy can do it!In fact, I just wanted to tell you that itis the purpose and faith that make us continue to keep going! So I recommend you to follow the purpose that you need to fulfill on this earth and show the people that judge you that I don't care what you say to me, I will fulfill my purpose that I came to fulfill on this earth! And what ever you tell me by judging me, will just make me stronger! I actually believe what i'm telling you! This is what makes me keep going every day! Thank you so much Lesholom for listening to me! Hope to hear from yu soon. Thanks and God bless!  

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:17 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Usually I just  tell university or when I'm looking for a job but I have only had jobs during the summertime
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
> 
>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 05:35, Leye-Shprintse Öberg via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> BS'D
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Recently, I've thought a lot about when I'll tell, or not tell, people that I'm blind. I live in Sweden and have been told since childhood, by the Low Vision Centre, the Swedish Association of the Visually Impaired and teachers, that I need to tell people that I'm blind; otherwise, I'd be rude or people wouldn't treat me fairly.
>> 
>> However, my experience is the other side around; and lately, it has become painfully clear to me that people judge me even before they've met me because I've told them that I'm blind and use a guide dog as my mobility aid. The main reason why I tell people this is because it's legal in Sweden to denny guide dog handlers access because of the 'dog'.
>> 
>> Since this last thing happened tough, I've decided to not tell people that I'm blind in the future; I'll only tell universities beforehand and maybe employers if it'll help my application. It'll take time tough to not feel guilty about it; I even feel guilty when I think these thoughts. Brain washed or not?!?
>> 
>> I want to be judged for the person I'm and not because of my disability. My disability has formed me, but I'm not my disability. Okay? Right now, I'm very tired and sad! I'd need a hug or two!
>> 
>> When do you tell or not tell that you're blind?
>> 
>> Lesholom,
>> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
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From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 12:46:35 2014
From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:46:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] To Tell or Not to Tell: "I'm Blind."
Message-ID: <005101d021d3$27013130$75039390$@gmail.com>

Hello all: 

 

When I return Monday from visiting family, I promise you a story about my
experiences, and an approach I've developed over the past six years that
seems to be yielding very positive results concerning bridging the
"blindness" barrier with employers, faculty, and ordinary people. 

 

 

Regards,

 

Zac

 

Zachary Mason

Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager

Northwinds Farm

(603) 922-8377 Work

(603) 991-6747 Cell

 <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 

 

806 U.S. Route 3

North Stratford, NH 03590

 

 

On Dec 26, 2014, at 05:35, Leye-Shprintse ?berg via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org wrote:

 

BS'D

 

Hello all,

 

Recently, I've thought a lot about when I'll tell, or not tell, people that
I'm blind. I live in Sweden and have been told since childhood, by the Low
Vision Centre, the Swedish Association of the Visually Impaired and
teachers, that I need to tell people that I'm blind; otherwise, I'd be rude
or people wouldn't treat me fairly.

 

However, my experience is the other side around; and lately, it has become
painfully clear to me that people judge me even before they've met me
because I've told them that I'm blind and use a guide dog as my mobility
aid. The main reason why I tell people this is because it's legal in Sweden
to denny guide dog handlers access because of the 'dog'.

 

Since this last thing happened tough, I've decided to not tell people that
I'm blind in the future; I'll only tell universities beforehand and maybe
employers if it'll help my application. It'll take time tough to not feel
guilty about it; I even feel guilty when I think these thoughts. Brain
washed or not?!?

 

I want to be judged for the person I'm and not because of my disability. My
disability has formed me, but I'm not my disability. Okay? Right now, I'm
very tired and sad! I'd need a hug or two!

 

When do you tell or not tell that you're blind?

 

Lesholom,

Leye-Shprintse ?berg

 

 


From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 20:22:40 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 15:22:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help Shape a Horror Novella!
Message-ID: <00a201d022dc$0809e4c0$181dae40$@gmail.com>

So, I know most of you students are on break. If you have a moment, and if
you like reading horror material, I'd love your help with something. I've
posted part of my horror novella in progress to my site. Your feedback is
especially important, because the genre will be young adult horror. It's
only going to stay up there for a few days, so your candid thoughts (good,
bad, or indifferent) would be appreciated. Relevance to NABS? Umm, you'd be
helping out a blind wanna-be author? I'm sure Arielle will smack me around
if it's too left field.

The draft is at:

http://joeorozco.com/sample

Thanks in advance!

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe





From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 05:15:50 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 21:15:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Help Shape a Horror Novella!
In-Reply-To: <00a201d022dc$0809e4c0$181dae40$@gmail.com>
References: <00a201d022dc$0809e4c0$181dae40$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJA8hxRzTxtgqedxe4Le+9M7ViZG_VAD1P_P9Gzm4FiAzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Joe and all,
Yes, I believe this post is not topical for NABS. I'd encourage you to
send this request for assistance through your social networks rather
than on the list.
Respectfully,
Arielle Silverman, NABS List Moderator

On 12/28/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> So, I know most of you students are on break. If you have a moment, and if
> you like reading horror material, I'd love your help with something. I've
> posted part of my horror novella in progress to my site. Your feedback is
> especially important, because the genre will be young adult horror. It's
> only going to stay up there for a few days, so your candid thoughts (good,
> bad, or indifferent) would be appreciated. Relevance to NABS? Umm, you'd be
> helping out a blind wanna-be author? I'm sure Arielle will smack me around
> if it's too left field.
>
> The draft is at:
>
> http://joeorozco.com/sample
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Musings of a Work in Progress:
> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
>
>
>
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 06:35:13 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:35:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Help Shape a Horror Novella!
Message-ID: <54a0f635.0bceca0a.6367.ffff839d@mx.google.com>

Joe, you could also send it to the Writers' Division mailing 
list.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 21:15:50 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help Shape a Horror Novella!

Hi Joe and all,
Yes, I believe this post is not topical for NABS. I'd encourage 
you to
send this request for assistance through your social networks 
rather
than on the list.
Respectfully,
Arielle Silverman, NABS List Moderator

On 12/28/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 So, I know most of you students are on break. If you have a 
moment, and if
 you like reading horror material, I'd love your help with 
something. I've
 posted part of my horror novella in progress to my site. Your 
feedback is
 especially important, because the genre will be young adult 
horror. It's
 only going to stay up there for a few days, so your candid 
thoughts (good,
 bad, or indifferent) would be appreciated. Relevance to NABS? 
Umm, you'd be
 helping out a blind wanna-be author? I'm sure Arielle will smack 
me around
 if it's too left field.

 The draft is at:

 http://joeorozco.com/sample

 Thanks in advance!

 Joe

 --
 Musings of a Work in Progress:
 www.JoeOrozco.com/

 Twitter: @ScribblingJoe




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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 07:06:40 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 02:06:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is the Apple Store Website accessible with JAWS?
Message-ID: <E86482A3-20EB-442A-92AF-E3AB7B5DE0B8@gmail.com>

Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, is the Apple Website accessible with JAWS? I'm just wondering since  one time when I went to the apple store, they told me that I need tto reserve a private appointment with the technician if I have any problem with my apple devices. And I actually I do have soem issues with my bluetooth keyboard. However, my problem is that i don't know how to make that reservation in the apple store website and I don't know if it is accessible at all! I will really appreciate it a lot if you can help me with this. Hope  to hear form you soon. Thanks so much and have a nice day. God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 07:11:02 2014
From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (Ryan Bishop)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:11:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Is the Apple Store Website accessible with JAWS?
In-Reply-To: <E86482A3-20EB-442A-92AF-E3AB7B5DE0B8@gmail.com>
References: <E86482A3-20EB-442A-92AF-E3AB7B5DE0B8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68E28C0C-6738-4604-BFBB-465F3C16B963@gmail.com>

Hi Helga. The best way to schedule an appointment with anything for Apple us to download the Apple Store app on your phone. I find that to be the most successful way.
Otherwise, yes the Apple Store website is actually pretty accessible.
Ryan


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2014, at 12:06 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, is the Apple Website accessible with JAWS? I'm just wondering since  one time when I went to the apple store, they told me that I need tto reserve a private appointment with the technician if I have any problem with my apple devices. And I actually I do have soem issues with my bluetooth keyboard. However, my problem is that i don't know how to make that reservation in the apple store website and I don't know if it is accessible at all! I will really appreciate it a lot if you can help me with this. Hope  to hear form you soon. Thanks so much and have a nice day. God bless!
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Dec 29 07:13:50 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 01:13:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Is the Apple Store Website accessible with JAWS?
In-Reply-To: <E86482A3-20EB-442A-92AF-E3AB7B5DE0B8@gmail.com>
References: <E86482A3-20EB-442A-92AF-E3AB7B5DE0B8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000010762971@mailfront1.g2host.com>

It has been a while but I have done it independently.  Just go to 
apple.com and try!

Dave

iAt 01:06 AM 12/29/2014, you wrote:
>Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, is the Apple 
>Website accessible with JAWS? I'm just wondering since  one time 
>when I went to the apple store, they told me that I need tto reserve 
>a private appointment with the technician if I have any problem with 
>my apple devices. And I actually I do have soem issues with my 
>bluetooth keyboard. However, my problem is that i don't know how to 
>make that reservation in the apple store website and I don't know if 
>it is accessible at all! I will really appreciate it a lot if you 
>can help me with this. Hope  to hear form you soon. Thanks so much 
>and have a nice day. God bless!
>
>Helga Schreiber
>
>Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association 
>of Blind Students.
>Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>Skype: helga.schreiber26
>4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
>"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
>whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>Sent from my iPhone
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 18:20:33 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 12:20:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Pandora Question
Message-ID: <3A72086D-E8D8-401B-86D5-00B488CCBA6F@gmail.com>

Hello All,

Recent updates to Pandora for iOS seem to have broken some accessibility features. With these changes, how can I delete a station from my library? I have added a couple Christmas stations for the holidays, but, as much as I love the season and its music, I often shuffle my stations and wouldn't want Christmas music added to the mix in the middle of spring or summer. :) Thanks in advance for any help.

Happy New Year,

Chris Nusbaum

From kwakmiso at aol.com  Mon Dec 29 18:40:17 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:40:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pandora Question
In-Reply-To: <3A72086D-E8D8-401B-86D5-00B488CCBA6F@gmail.com>
References: <3A72086D-E8D8-401B-86D5-00B488CCBA6F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1F1AE06A4258A-1398-17A92@webmail-va127.sysops.aol.com>

Hello Chris,
I am not sure when is the last time I updated my Pandora on my iPhone 
but it seems to be some time in October or November. I just checked and 
couldn't find any new update.
On my version I am able to delete my stations by double tapping and 
holding onto it until it gives you a few different options such as 
share, rename, and delete.
Double tapping on delete and confirming let me delete my holiday radio 
stations.
Thanks.
Miso

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Mon, Dec 29, 2014 10:21 am
Subject: [nabs-l] Pandora Question

Hello All,

Recent updates to Pandora for iOS seem to have broken some 
accessibility features. With these changes, how can I delete a station 
 from my library? I have added a couple Christmas stations for the 
holidays, but, as much as I love the season and its music, I often 
shuffle my stations and wouldn't want Christmas music added to the mix 
in the middle of spring or summer. :) Thanks in advance for any help.

Happy New Year,

Chris Nusbaum
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Dec 29 19:02:40 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:02:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Pandora Question
In-Reply-To: <3A72086D-E8D8-401B-86D5-00B488CCBA6F@gmail.com>
References: <3A72086D-E8D8-401B-86D5-00B488CCBA6F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP64DED0B7DA66FE1BC48979CE510@phx.gbl>

Hi Chris, I believe Pandora is aware of the issue, And they are working on some fixes to fix the problem is when I saw on another group.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Dec 29, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Recent updates to Pandora for iOS seem to have broken some accessibility features. With these changes, how can I delete a station from my library? I have added a couple Christmas stations for the holidays, but, as much as I love the season and its music, I often shuffle my stations and wouldn't want Christmas music added to the mix in the middle of spring or summer. :) Thanks in advance for any help.
> 
> Happy New Year,
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 19:27:23 2014
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:27:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Pandora Question
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP64DED0B7DA66FE1BC48979CE510@phx.gbl>
References: <3A72086D-E8D8-401B-86D5-00B488CCBA6F@gmail.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP64DED0B7DA66FE1BC48979CE510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAHox4DLDabCbbmvRcQS_jWOszc7kf7LT7E-bSrD55hvJmsUacw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris,

You can always go into your shuffle options and only shuffle the
stations you want to play.  I will warn you though that this is not
the easiest thing to do with voice over.  You can swipe until you get
to the shuffle options button.  You have to know where it is on the
screen.  I had to get a sighted friend to show me where it is.  It's
towards the right of the screen close to the top.  Just tap randomly
in that area until you find it.  If you hit the shuffle stations radio
(or whatever Pandora calls it now), you just tap (not swipe) to the
right, and you should get to it.  Double tap on that, and then it will
tell you what you have selected to shuffle.

I hope this helps.

On 12/29/14, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Chris, I believe Pandora is aware of the issue, And they are working on
> some fixes to fix the problem is when I saw on another group.
> Joseph Hudson
> jhud7789 at outlook.com
>
>
>
>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Recent updates to Pandora for iOS seem to have broken some accessibility
>> features. With these changes, how can I delete a station from my library?
>> I have added a couple Christmas stations for the holidays, but, as much as
>> I love the season and its music, I often shuffle my stations and wouldn't
>> want Christmas music added to the mix in the middle of spring or summer.
>> :) Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>> Happy New Year,
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
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Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From andrewjedg at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 19:46:43 2014
From: andrewjedg at gmail.com (Andrew)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:46:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness
Message-ID: <CAM342zb=m_LEywwRN6UQNUbUkexxDHS0xfVjP2eoCpaEwOjPng@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all
have a rather dumb question.   Is developmental delay quite common
amung blind people or is it not that common the person who  works with
just disability people over all said i have a slight developmental
delay  that is why i am asking.  like they re fer to her as a doctor
so and so but not really medical doctor though. but anyway is this a
common thing?


From mausbun at unr.edu  Mon Dec 29 20:41:03 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 20:41:03 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness
In-Reply-To: <CAM342zb=m_LEywwRN6UQNUbUkexxDHS0xfVjP2eoCpaEwOjPng@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello:
	First, a couple of disclaimers.
1)	No question is ever dumb.
2)	I’m not a doctor, medical or otherwise, nor is Nero cognition my area of expertise.
With that said, I would like to propose two different theories. First, I’d argue that developmental delays ought to be normal for most blind individuals. A large part of human adaptation comes from visual analysis; if we lack that capability, then adaptation is slower and thus, development is slowed. Now, with that said, I know there have been studies (at my University and probably others), in the neuroscience field, which show that other senses (smell, sound, etc.)  Produce responses within the visual cortex of blind individual’s brains (there is a gentleman from California, by the name of Brian something, who was on the discovery channel who referred to this as a form of echo location). This would expedite the development somewhat I’d think, but not to the same degree.
	My second theory is that people are more inclined to label visually challenged individuals as developmentally delayed, in order to explain the inability to grasp certain things (personally, I’d argue this is ablest in nature). What I mean is, if a blind person does not receive tactile representations of inherently visual things, but a person expects them to know what it is (I.E. a round-Square), they might decide that person is merely developmentally delayed. 
	I don’t know if either theory is accurate, perhaps Arielle or someone with a little more relevant expertise might be able to give you a better answer.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun

________________________________________
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Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 11:46 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness

Hi all
have a rather dumb question.   Is developmental delay quite common
amung blind people or is it not that common the person who  works with
just disability people over all said i have a slight developmental
delay  that is why i am asking.  like they re fer to her as a doctor
so and so but not really medical doctor though. but anyway is this a
common thing?

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From andrewjedg at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 21:08:48 2014
From: andrewjedg at gmail.com (Andrew)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:08:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B851D82@UBOX1.unr.edu>
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	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B851D82@UBOX1.unr.edu>
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Hi Michael thank you for your note   it is a great topic by the way  I
will be looking forward to hearing the other's views on this.

On 12/29/14, Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu> wrote:
> Hello:
> 	First, a couple of disclaimers.
> 1)	No question is ever dumb.
> 2)	I'm not a doctor, medical or otherwise, nor is Nero cognition my area of
> expertise.
> With that said, I would like to propose two different theories. First, I'd
> argue that developmental delays ought to be normal for most blind
> individuals. A large part of human adaptation comes from visual analysis; if
> we lack that capability, then adaptation is slower and thus, development is
> slowed. Now, with that said, I know there have been studies (at my
> University and probably others), in the neuroscience field, which show that
> other senses (smell, sound, etc.)  Produce responses within the visual
> cortex of blind individual's brains (there is a gentleman from California,
> by the name of Brian something, who was on the discovery channel who
> referred to this as a form of echo location). This would expedite the
> development somewhat I'd think, but not to the same degree.
> 	My second theory is that people are more inclined to label visually
> challenged individuals as developmentally delayed, in order to explain the
> inability to grasp certain things (personally, I'd argue this is ablest in
> nature). What I mean is, if a blind person does not receive tactile
> representations of inherently visual things, but a person expects them to
> know what it is (I.E. a round-Square), they might decide that person is
> merely developmentally delayed.
> 	I don't know if either theory is accurate, perhaps Arielle or someone with
> a little more relevant expertise might be able to give you a better answer.
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
>
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Andrew via nabs-l
> [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 11:46 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness
>
> Hi all
> have a rather dumb question.   Is developmental delay quite common
> amung blind people or is it not that common the person who  works with
> just disability people over all said i have a slight developmental
> delay  that is why i am asking.  like they re fer to her as a doctor
> so and so but not really medical doctor though. but anyway is this a
> common thing?
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 29 21:45:08 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:45:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Story from the Louisiana Center for the
	Blind
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS4427E248499090B2B3FFA17BA510@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I hope everyone is enjoying the holiday season regardless of which holidays
you choose to celebrate. Below this message you will find a story published
in the February 1996 Braille Monitor about attending the Louisiana Center
for the Blind. I am honestly not quite sure how this story made it into my
collection, but I can definitely relate to being able to overcome fears in
my life as touched upon in this story. I know there are some younger
students on this email list, so I thought I would post a story highlighting
the experience of someone who attended one of the summer youth programs
offered at the NFB training centers. I hope you enjoy reading this story.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

--------

The Braille Monitor
February 1996

Taking a Step In the Right Direction
by Kimberly Aguillard

 From the Editor: In October, 1995, the Louisiana Center for the Blind, the
adult rehabilitation center operated by the National Federation of the Blind
of Louisiana, celebrated a decade of service to blind people. A new addition
was opened, and Center alumni returned from across the country to join in
the festivities. To mark the occasion, the alumni organization also compiled
a book of testimonials to the importance of good training, positive role
models, and active participation in the organized blind movement. The title
of this publication is A Personal Perspective, edited by Olegario D. Cantos,
VII. One of the contributors was Kimberly Aguillard, who is currently in the
eighth grade at Central Middle School in Nederland, Texas. In this story
Kimberly tells about her first experience with the philosophy and attitudes
of the National Federation of the Blind. Here is what she has to say:

 Being in my early teens, I function just like any other
thirteen-year-old--going to dances and parties and getting involved with
extracurricular activities such as serving on the student council, working
on the school paper, and singing in the school choir. I also act like any
other thirteen-year-old, occasionally smarting off or breaking rules. The
only thing that makes me different from everyone else is that I am totally
blind.

 I have had no vision since I was nine. The little vision I had before then
was not very helpful. I used large print books, even though I knew Braille.
I knew how to use a cane but never did because I thought I could get around
well enough without it. I was wrong. After I became blind, I learned Nemeth
code for math. My Dad also helped me learn how to use an abacus. I made it
through fourth and fifth grade, having adjusted pretty well.

 The summer before sixth grade my mother and I went to the annual convention
of the National Federation of the Blind in Dallas. I knew as soon as we
stepped into the lobby of the hotel that it would be an experience I would
never forget. Nearly everyone had a cane or guide dog. I felt silly hanging
on to my mom's arm. I noticed how well some of the people got around, and I
was encouraged. I met a lot of nice people and also traded in my old short
cane for a new long one.

 I met a lot of kids from the Summer Training and Employment Project (STEP)
at the Louisiana Center for the Blind. They explained to my mother and me
that the program was for blind teenagers. If I enrolled, I would take
classes in Braille, cane travel, daily living skills, and computers. The
program also helps students find summer jobs. My mother was very interested;
I was not!

 When it came time to apply the next year, my mother did. I was not old
enough for STEP, so I was placed in the Buddy Program. I was nervous just
thinking about going, but I was terrified when my Mom explained that my
counselors and teachers would also be blind. I didn't let either of my
parents know that I was scared; I just complained about how it would ruin my
summer. But, when my parents dropped me off, I had to admit that they had
won this one, and I was stuck in Ruston for a month.

 I started to like it, though; it was just a neat setup. There were only
eight kids with four counselors. It was fun having such a small group. I
made friends with the students and could talk to them about stuff that I
couldn't talk to my sighted friends about. I could talk to them because they
knew how it felt and could relate. The counselors were great role models. I
especially liked my counselor, Brenda Walburn. I also liked my travel
instructor, Eddie Bell. It always seemed as though he was picking on me and
asking me confusing questions. I would know the answer, but if he asked,
"Are you sure?" I was not sure. I liked cane travel the most even though it
scared me. It wasn't long until I started to love the Buddy Program. It
really helped me to be surrounded by positive blind people.

 Before I knew it, we were in the last week, and it was time for my solo
route in travel. At first I was terrified. But then I realized I could do
it, and I got excited. I remember walking into travel class, feeling
slightly nervous, getting my assignment, and going on my way. I don't
remember having any problems.

 When my parents came up for the parents' seminar at the end of the
four-week summer session, they were delighted to see me floating around so
easily. I took my cane into all the stores and used it well. I was really
sad to go, because I would miss all my friends. I talked to them when I
needed to strengthen my beliefs in what I could do as a blind person. I
think that, of all the staff, Eddie had the most influence on me. I know
that, if he hadn't pushed me until I was so mad that I felt like screaming,
I would never have done those routes, and I would never have developed much
confidence.

 I feel very lucky to have my parents too. I used to get mad at them for
always expecting so much of me. I now realize that, if they hadn't always
pushed me to do better in school and in everything I did, I wouldn't have
tried. I wouldn't have tried to make student council or honor society. I am
also very glad they made me go to Ruston. They knew that it would be good
for me, and as usual they were right. Sometimes I wonder what it would have
been like never to have met Eddie, Brenda, or the rest. I really believe
that, if I hadn't come to the Louisiana Center for the Blind, I would still
be scared of a lot of things.

 Sometimes I also wonder about my future. Who knows what kind of challenges
it will hold? As long as I have the support of my parents, the friends I
have made at the center in Ruston, and the National Federation of the Blind,
I can handle anything that is thrown my way! If ever I meet other blind
people who don't know about the National Federation of the Blind, I'm going
to tell them how much I believe in them the same way that my Federation
friends continue to believe in me!


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 22:26:21 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:26:21 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness
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	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B851D82@UBOX1.unr.edu>
	<CAM342zZy2gvoUwPVDr+SMSSAscKh6ymZv5J8uCGDWJtKwAbV0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJB8eCDqPY-QMKAoiwDRDYg0foH8EeX0O0zpjazzMSnR8w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andrew and all,
Great question. First let's define developmental delay. Typically this
term means that a  young child achieves certain milestones like
crawling, walking, talking or socializing later in life than the
"average" child. Obviously there is a  huge range as far as how old
children are when they achieve milestones, but it is possible to
calculate average ages and label a child as developmentally delayed if
they deviate far from the average. Having a developmental delay as a
child does not necessarily mean one is less successful as an adult.
For example, I have heard that Albert Einstein did not speak until he
was 4, while most children start speaking between about 9 and 18
months. Einstein was developmentally delayed, but obviously
successful.
It is fair to say that many blind children show developmental delays.
However, the cause is hard to identify because most blind children
have neurological impairments in addition to blindness, and
neurological impairments also cause delays. Oftentimes blindness is
caused by premature birth or a syndrome that also causes other
disabilities, and these other disabilities may not be diagnosed right
away. Some researchers have argued that even kids who are blind with
no known disabilities tend to be delayed in crawling and walking. This
issue does not affect every blind child however. Sighted babies move
about in response to things they see and vision has a lot of nice
properties. For example, a sighted baby can stare at a toy for a long
time and then decide to reach for it. A blind baby might hear a sound,
but if that sound comes and goes, the baby may not realize the sound
is coming from an actual object. Blind babies who are exposed to a
lot of items that make noise or that they can touch are less likely to
have developmental delays. It concerns me when people automatically
assume a delay is "normal" for a blind child because they may then not
encourage the child to explore their world or make as much effort to
expose them to new experiences. Such an assumption might also lead
parents or doctors to not look for other medical conditions that could
be causing the delay. As Michael said, this assumption is ablest. In
short, I would posit that if blind kids are at risk for delays, this
is not because of blindness but because the environment they are in
doesn't offer enough accessible experiences (like with  objects they
can touch or that make continuous sounds) to aid their development.
Arielle

On 12/29/14, Andrew via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Michael thank you for your note   it is a great topic by the way  I
> will be looking forward to hearing the other's views on this.
>
> On 12/29/14, Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu> wrote:
>> Hello:
>> 	First, a couple of disclaimers.
>> 1)	No question is ever dumb.
>> 2)	I'm not a doctor, medical or otherwise, nor is Nero cognition my area
>> of
>> expertise.
>> With that said, I would like to propose two different theories. First,
>> I'd
>> argue that developmental delays ought to be normal for most blind
>> individuals. A large part of human adaptation comes from visual analysis;
>> if
>> we lack that capability, then adaptation is slower and thus, development
>> is
>> slowed. Now, with that said, I know there have been studies (at my
>> University and probably others), in the neuroscience field, which show
>> that
>> other senses (smell, sound, etc.)  Produce responses within the visual
>> cortex of blind individual's brains (there is a gentleman from
>> California,
>> by the name of Brian something, who was on the discovery channel who
>> referred to this as a form of echo location). This would expedite the
>> development somewhat I'd think, but not to the same degree.
>> 	My second theory is that people are more inclined to label visually
>> challenged individuals as developmentally delayed, in order to explain
>> the
>> inability to grasp certain things (personally, I'd argue this is ablest
>> in
>> nature). What I mean is, if a blind person does not receive tactile
>> representations of inherently visual things, but a person expects them to
>> know what it is (I.E. a round-Square), they might decide that person is
>> merely developmentally delayed.
>> 	I don't know if either theory is accurate, perhaps Arielle or someone
>> with
>> a little more relevant expertise might be able to give you a better
>> answer.
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael Ausbun
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Andrew via nabs-l
>> [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 11:46 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness
>>
>> Hi all
>> have a rather dumb question.   Is developmental delay quite common
>> amung blind people or is it not that common the person who  works with
>> just disability people over all said i have a slight developmental
>> delay  that is why i am asking.  like they re fer to her as a doctor
>> so and so but not really medical doctor though. but anyway is this a
>> common thing?
>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 22:48:50 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:48:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <008d01d02130$3fdc1880$bf944980$@gmail.com>
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	<008d01d02130$3fdc1880$bf944980$@gmail.com>
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Hi all,
I personally find camera aiming to be extremely difficult and
counter-intuitive for me, and have no sense of how high off the page
it should be or when it is level. I seem to be a minority among blind
people since most have success with KNFB and other apps, but it sounds
like I am not the only one. I had a lot of frustration with KNFB on
theNokia and that's why I've hesitated to buy the app. Have folks had
success with the stands and do you know where I can find an
appropriate stand? I feel like I could get a lot of use out of
portable OCR if I have a little extra guidance. Thanks!
Arielle

On 12/26/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I took advantage of the discounted sale on my iPhone 4S. I know it was
> configured to work with the 4S, but I also know my camera is inferior to
> later models. So, we can start there. The camera gradually improves to the
> current models, and the image stabilizer on the 6 Plus is going to be your
> best bet. That said, a lot of it comes down to properly aiming the camera.
> You could use one of the stands they sell out there or learn how to
> properly
> align the camera with the text. After all, the camera can only capture what
> you are allowing it to see. I too got disappointing results, but I'm
> attributing this to user error. Also, the kind of source you use is
> important. I experienced better results with traditional printed documents
> as opposed to DVD box labels, etc. Point is, hang in there. It takes
> learning, and I don't regret having purchased the app at the discount rate.
> I figure when I get my new iPhone next year, I will have brought along the
> app not having to pay full price for it.
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Musings of a Work in Progress:
> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Graves
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 8:44 AM
> To: Miso Kwak; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader
>
> Hi,
> I'm glad someone brought this up because I'm having a lot of issues as well
> with this application. It is really frustrating to spend hundred dollars on
> the application and not get the results I was expecting it have heard
> about.
> I'm also having issues when I take a picture that it is either reading
> broken text or not an entire page of text when I know there's entire page
> of
> text to be read.A lot of times when I take a picture it'll say no text
> found
> or it'll give me a bunch of jibber jabber which is difficult to understand
> or only parts of the page. It is very frustrating because I was expecting
> this app to do a lot more than what I've been able to get it to do and I
> was
> super excited and thinking that it would be a good help
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 25, 2014, at 11:36 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> HI all,
>> I purchased KNFB Reader today since it had discounted price. I have been
> experimenting with the app for a little while and at this point I am
> considering to file a report in hope of getting refund.
>> At first it was really hard to take a good picture because the app was
> keep saying no text found when I knew clearly that there is a text on the
> paper I was taking picture of.
>> When I took a good enough picture it would have a lot of broken text -
> enough so that I was having a hard time understanding most of the time. I
> am
> also not sure how to control how much text it is capturing per picture.
>> Has anyone else experienced this kind of problem?
>> Perhaps the fact that my phone is iPhone 5 rather than 5s or 6 is a
> factor?
>> Right now I am considering to report and request refund from iTunes store
> but should I also consider discussing this matter with the KNFB Reader
> development team?
>> Miso Kwak
>>
>>
>>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 22:50:19 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:50:19 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] disability services in college
Message-ID: <54a1dac6.c51e460a.2cad.1793@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I am going to be meeting soon with the disability services of my 
schools and have some questions/want some insight.
How do you know how good a DSS program is? (Of my three colleges, 
one is a Cal State and two are private, so the privates may not 
have very good services).
If the DSS is poor but you like the college for all other 
reasons, is this a big enough reason not to attend that college?
Also, I'd really like your ideas on questions I could ask DSS.  I 
already have 5, which I'll paste below my name, and I would 
really appreciate if you could add some more or change any of the 
above.
Thanks.
Vejas
Questions to Ask DSS
1.  How quickly is the turnaround time for Braille materials?
2.  Is there a Braille transcriber/braillist on campus, or is 
everything just going to be embossed?
3.  Is there anyone on campus who can create raised diagrams for 
subjects such as chemistry and mathematics?
4.  What kind of adaptive technology is offered at the school?
5.  Should anything go wrong with my hearing aids, is there 
anyone who can help with them?


From NMPBRAT at aol.com  Mon Dec 29 23:03:32 2014
From: NMPBRAT at aol.com (NMPBRAT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:03:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] disability services in college
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Vejas,
Here are a few other suggestions for  questions:
1) How many people work for the DSS?
2) What days and hours are the DSS open?
3) What accommodations are available to me, including testing  
accommodations?  What is the process for requesting those  accommodations?
4) How willing do professors seem to be when working with the  DSS office? 
(note: if you know what degree you are majoring in, you can be  specific to 
that particular group of professors)
5) Who do I talk to and what is the process in dealing with  issues that 
arise in a particular class or with a particular  professor?
6) What percentage of students that your office services are  blind or 
visually impaired?
7) What resources, if any, do you work with outside of your  office?
 
Just some thoughts!  Good luck!
 
Nicole
 
 
In a message dated 12/29/2014 5:51:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
nabs-l at nfbnet.org writes:

Hi  All,
I am going to be meeting soon with the disability services of my  
schools and have some questions/want some insight.
How do you know how  good a DSS program is? (Of my three colleges, 
one is a Cal State and two  are private, so the privates may not 
have very good services).
If the  DSS is poor but you like the college for all other 
reasons, is this a big  enough reason not to attend that college?
Also, I'd really like your ideas  on questions I could ask DSS.  I 
already have 5, which I'll paste  below my name, and I would 
really appreciate if you could add some more or  change any of the 
above.
Thanks.
Vejas
Questions to Ask  DSS
1.  How quickly is the turnaround time for Braille  materials?
2.  Is there a Braille transcriber/braillist on campus, or  is 
everything just going to be embossed?
3.  Is there anyone on  campus who can create raised diagrams for 
subjects such as chemistry and  mathematics?
4.  What kind of adaptive technology is offered at the  school?
5.  Should anything go wrong with my hearing aids, is there  
anyone who can help with  them?

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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Dec 29 23:30:42 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:30:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader
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Hi, I find if I lifted off the page just a little bit and have one hand on the book or paper that I am holding, enlisted just a little bit I'm able to get a clear picture. Another thing that helps too, is having some light on
Joseph Hudson
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> On Dec 29, 2014, at 4:48 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I personally find camera aiming to be extremely difficult and
> counter-intuitive for me, and have no sense of how high off the page
> it should be or when it is level. I seem to be a minority among blind
> people since most have success with KNFB and other apps, but it sounds
> like I am not the only one. I had a lot of frustration with KNFB on
> theNokia and that's why I've hesitated to buy the app. Have folks had
> success with the stands and do you know where I can find an
> appropriate stand? I feel like I could get a lot of use out of
> portable OCR if I have a little extra guidance. Thanks!
> Arielle
> 
> On 12/26/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I took advantage of the discounted sale on my iPhone 4S. I know it was
>> configured to work with the 4S, but I also know my camera is inferior to
>> later models. So, we can start there. The camera gradually improves to the
>> current models, and the image stabilizer on the 6 Plus is going to be your
>> best bet. That said, a lot of it comes down to properly aiming the camera.
>> You could use one of the stands they sell out there or learn how to
>> properly
>> align the camera with the text. After all, the camera can only capture what
>> you are allowing it to see. I too got disappointing results, but I'm
>> attributing this to user error. Also, the kind of source you use is
>> important. I experienced better results with traditional printed documents
>> as opposed to DVD box labels, etc. Point is, hang in there. It takes
>> learning, and I don't regret having purchased the app at the discount rate.
>> I figure when I get my new iPhone next year, I will have brought along the
>> app not having to pay full price for it.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> --
>> Musings of a Work in Progress:
>> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>> 
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Graves
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 8:44 AM
>> To: Miso Kwak; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm glad someone brought this up because I'm having a lot of issues as well
>> with this application. It is really frustrating to spend hundred dollars on
>> the application and not get the results I was expecting it have heard
>> about.
>> I'm also having issues when I take a picture that it is either reading
>> broken text or not an entire page of text when I know there's entire page
>> of
>> text to be read.A lot of times when I take a picture it'll say no text
>> found
>> or it'll give me a bunch of jibber jabber which is difficult to understand
>> or only parts of the page. It is very frustrating because I was expecting
>> this app to do a lot more than what I've been able to get it to do and I
>> was
>> super excited and thinking that it would be a good help
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 25, 2014, at 11:36 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI all,
>>> I purchased KNFB Reader today since it had discounted price. I have been
>> experimenting with the app for a little while and at this point I am
>> considering to file a report in hope of getting refund.
>>> At first it was really hard to take a good picture because the app was
>> keep saying no text found when I knew clearly that there is a text on the
>> paper I was taking picture of.
>>> When I took a good enough picture it would have a lot of broken text -
>> enough so that I was having a hard time understanding most of the time. I
>> am
>> also not sure how to control how much text it is capturing per picture.
>>> Has anyone else experienced this kind of problem?
>>> Perhaps the fact that my phone is iPhone 5 rather than 5s or 6 is a
>> factor?
>>> Right now I am considering to report and request refund from iTunes store
>> but should I also consider discussing this matter with the KNFB Reader
>> development team?
>>> Miso Kwak
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 18:26:36 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:26:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness
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Hi Andrew and all,

Arielle and Michael spell out what they've said very well.  From the
perspective of someone who is going into a profession where people
with disabilities are viewed as being "served," I can say that that
abelist view tends to creep into professions like this more than it
probably should.  I've attended national and regional conferences and
sometimes heard blind clients described in ways like, "His lack of
spatial awareness causes significant balance issues."  Sometimes there
is another underlying cause of these difficulties, such as Cerebral
Palsy which accounts for the balance instead of the loss of vision,
and that condition is mentioned almost as an afterthought.  In many
cases, I think these professionals who work with the blind and the
blind with other disabilities don't know what they really don't know,
and use blindness as the catch-all.  Of course, this is something that
is really concerning.

I am also not a doctor, but I do think it is important to take the
specific developmental delay this person is claiming you have into
consideration.  Also, if they are not a medical doctor and are not one
of your physicians, I wouldn't take their diagnosis too seriously.  If
they have the distinction of doctor because they have a PH.D in their
field, that still doesn't give them the knowledge or freedom to
diagnose you, not to mention they don't know your entire case like a
physician who regularly sees you would.

The term "Developmentally delayed" is often handed out pretty
liberally, I think, but as Arielle said it really doesn't have to mean
much in the long run.  I was considered developmentally delayed for a
while when I was really little.  I had just had a bunch of eye
surgeries, and my parents were worried I'd bump into something and
hurt myself so they didn't put me down on the floor much to let me
crawl.  In that case, my blindness or another syndrome wasn't even the
issue; it was human interference.  Likewise, my sighted sister was
thought to have something wrong with her brain because though her hips
were fine, she just decided she would crawl and drag one leg behind
her.  In both cases, neither of us grew up with lasting effects of the
"developmental delay."  Einstein is another example, and I'm sure
there are plenty of others.  It has been speculated that Mozart even
had some developmental problems, and like Einstein he was really
successful.

I really wouldn't worry too much about it.  Unless your M.D doctor
mentions a concern I don't think you have to worry.  If you are
though, you could mention the claim at your next check up and see what
your doctor says.

On 12/29/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Andrew and all,
> Great question. First let's define developmental delay. Typically this
> term means that a  young child achieves certain milestones like
> crawling, walking, talking or socializing later in life than the
> "average" child. Obviously there is a  huge range as far as how old
> children are when they achieve milestones, but it is possible to
> calculate average ages and label a child as developmentally delayed if
> they deviate far from the average. Having a developmental delay as a
> child does not necessarily mean one is less successful as an adult.
> For example, I have heard that Albert Einstein did not speak until he
> was 4, while most children start speaking between about 9 and 18
> months. Einstein was developmentally delayed, but obviously
> successful.
> It is fair to say that many blind children show developmental delays.
> However, the cause is hard to identify because most blind children
> have neurological impairments in addition to blindness, and
> neurological impairments also cause delays. Oftentimes blindness is
> caused by premature birth or a syndrome that also causes other
> disabilities, and these other disabilities may not be diagnosed right
> away. Some researchers have argued that even kids who are blind with
> no known disabilities tend to be delayed in crawling and walking. This
> issue does not affect every blind child however. Sighted babies move
> about in response to things they see and vision has a lot of nice
> properties. For example, a sighted baby can stare at a toy for a long
> time and then decide to reach for it. A blind baby might hear a sound,
> but if that sound comes and goes, the baby may not realize the sound
> is coming from an actual object. Blind babies who are exposed to a
> lot of items that make noise or that they can touch are less likely to
> have developmental delays. It concerns me when people automatically
> assume a delay is "normal" for a blind child because they may then not
> encourage the child to explore their world or make as much effort to
> expose them to new experiences. Such an assumption might also lead
> parents or doctors to not look for other medical conditions that could
> be causing the delay. As Michael said, this assumption is ablest. In
> short, I would posit that if blind kids are at risk for delays, this
> is not because of blindness but because the environment they are in
> doesn't offer enough accessible experiences (like with  objects they
> can touch or that make continuous sounds) to aid their development.
> Arielle
>
> On 12/29/14, Andrew via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Michael thank you for your note   it is a great topic by the way  I
>> will be looking forward to hearing the other's views on this.
>>
>> On 12/29/14, Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu> wrote:
>>> Hello:
>>> 	First, a couple of disclaimers.
>>> 1)	No question is ever dumb.
>>> 2)	I'm not a doctor, medical or otherwise, nor is Nero cognition my area
>>> of
>>> expertise.
>>> With that said, I would like to propose two different theories. First,
>>> I'd
>>> argue that developmental delays ought to be normal for most blind
>>> individuals. A large part of human adaptation comes from visual
>>> analysis;
>>> if
>>> we lack that capability, then adaptation is slower and thus, development
>>> is
>>> slowed. Now, with that said, I know there have been studies (at my
>>> University and probably others), in the neuroscience field, which show
>>> that
>>> other senses (smell, sound, etc.)  Produce responses within the visual
>>> cortex of blind individual's brains (there is a gentleman from
>>> California,
>>> by the name of Brian something, who was on the discovery channel who
>>> referred to this as a form of echo location). This would expedite the
>>> development somewhat I'd think, but not to the same degree.
>>> 	My second theory is that people are more inclined to label visually
>>> challenged individuals as developmentally delayed, in order to explain
>>> the
>>> inability to grasp certain things (personally, I'd argue this is ablest
>>> in
>>> nature). What I mean is, if a blind person does not receive tactile
>>> representations of inherently visual things, but a person expects them
>>> to
>>> know what it is (I.E. a round-Square), they might decide that person is
>>> merely developmentally delayed.
>>> 	I don't know if either theory is accurate, perhaps Arielle or someone
>>> with
>>> a little more relevant expertise might be able to give you a better
>>> answer.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Andrew via nabs-l
>>> [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 11:46 AM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>> have a rather dumb question.   Is developmental delay quite common
>>> amung blind people or is it not that common the person who  works with
>>> just disability people over all said i have a slight developmental
>>> delay  that is why i am asking.  like they re fer to her as a doctor
>>> so and so but not really medical doctor though. but anyway is this a
>>> common thing?
>>>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 22:25:19 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:25:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader
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Arielle and All,

One stand which comes with many recommendations from blind people who have
had success with it is the Scan Stand. More information on this product can
be found at: http://standscan.com/index.php/product.html. Unfortunately, I
do not personally have this stand, so I can't give any personal experience
with it.

HTH,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 5:49 PM
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader

Hi all,
I personally find camera aiming to be extremely difficult and
counter-intuitive for me, and have no sense of how high off the page it
should be or when it is level. I seem to be a minority among blind people
since most have success with KNFB and other apps, but it sounds like I am
not the only one. I had a lot of frustration with KNFB on theNokia and
that's why I've hesitated to buy the app. Have folks had success with the
stands and do you know where I can find an appropriate stand? I feel like I
could get a lot of use out of portable OCR if I have a little extra
guidance. Thanks!
Arielle

On 12/26/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I took advantage of the discounted sale on my iPhone 4S. I know it was 
> configured to work with the 4S, but I also know my camera is inferior 
> to later models. So, we can start there. The camera gradually improves 
> to the current models, and the image stabilizer on the 6 Plus is going 
> to be your best bet. That said, a lot of it comes down to properly aiming
the camera.
> You could use one of the stands they sell out there or learn how to 
> properly align the camera with the text. After all, the camera can 
> only capture what you are allowing it to see. I too got disappointing 
> results, but I'm attributing this to user error. Also, the kind of 
> source you use is important. I experienced better results with 
> traditional printed documents as opposed to DVD box labels, etc. Point 
> is, hang in there. It takes learning, and I don't regret having 
> purchased the app at the discount rate.
> I figure when I get my new iPhone next year, I will have brought along 
> the app not having to pay full price for it.
>
> Joe
>
> --
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> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria 
> Graves via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 8:44 AM
> To: Miso Kwak; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problem with KNFB Reader
>
> Hi,
> I'm glad someone brought this up because I'm having a lot of issues as 
> well with this application. It is really frustrating to spend hundred 
> dollars on the application and not get the results I was expecting it 
> have heard about.
> I'm also having issues when I take a picture that it is either reading 
> broken text or not an entire page of text when I know there's entire 
> page of text to be read.A lot of times when I take a picture it'll say 
> no text found or it'll give me a bunch of jibber jabber which is 
> difficult to understand or only parts of the page. It is very 
> frustrating because I was expecting this app to do a lot more than 
> what I've been able to get it to do and I was super excited and 
> thinking that it would be a good help
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 25, 2014, at 11:36 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> HI all,
>> I purchased KNFB Reader today since it had discounted price. I have 
>> been
> experimenting with the app for a little while and at this point I am 
> considering to file a report in hope of getting refund.
>> At first it was really hard to take a good picture because the app 
>> was
> keep saying no text found when I knew clearly that there is a text on 
> the paper I was taking picture of.
>> When I took a good enough picture it would have a lot of broken text 
>> -
> enough so that I was having a hard time understanding most of the 
> time. I am also not sure how to control how much text it is capturing 
> per picture.
>> Has anyone else experienced this kind of problem?
>> Perhaps the fact that my phone is iPhone 5 rather than 5s or 6 is a
> factor?
>> Right now I am considering to report and request refund from iTunes 
>> store
> but should I also consider discussing this matter with the KNFB Reader 
> development team?
>> Miso Kwak
>>
>>
>>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 22:38:39 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:38:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Story from the Louisiana Center for
	the Blind
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Elizabeth,

Thank you for posting another great testament to the power of good training.
I too have graduated from both of LCB's summer programs and the experience
has had a similar impact on me. It is also worth noting that the author of
this story has grown up to become a very active and recognizable leader in
the Federation. Kimberly Aguillard, now Flores, was the longtime President
of our Texas affiliate and is a leader in many capacities throughout the
organization. Her training, it seems, is an important factor in making her
the person she is today.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 4:45 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Training Center Story from the Louisiana Center for the
Blind

Hello All,

I hope everyone is enjoying the holiday season regardless of which holidays
you choose to celebrate. Below this message you will find a story published
in the February 1996 Braille Monitor about attending the Louisiana Center
for the Blind. I am honestly not quite sure how this story made it into my
collection, but I can definitely relate to being able to overcome fears in
my life as touched upon in this story. I know there are some younger
students on this email list, so I thought I would post a story highlighting
the experience of someone who attended one of the summer youth programs
offered at the NFB training centers. I hope you enjoy reading this story.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

--------

The Braille Monitor
February 1996

Taking a Step In the Right Direction
by Kimberly Aguillard

 From the Editor: In October, 1995, the Louisiana Center for the Blind, the
adult rehabilitation center operated by the National Federation of the Blind
of Louisiana, celebrated a decade of service to blind people. A new addition
was opened, and Center alumni returned from across the country to join in
the festivities. To mark the occasion, the alumni organization also compiled
a book of testimonials to the importance of good training, positive role
models, and active participation in the organized blind movement. The title
of this publication is A Personal Perspective, edited by Olegario D. Cantos,
VII. One of the contributors was Kimberly Aguillard, who is currently in the
eighth grade at Central Middle School in Nederland, Texas. In this story
Kimberly tells about her first experience with the philosophy and attitudes
of the National Federation of the Blind. Here is what she has to say:

 Being in my early teens, I function just like any other
thirteen-year-old--going to dances and parties and getting involved with
extracurricular activities such as serving on the student council, working
on the school paper, and singing in the school choir. I also act like any
other thirteen-year-old, occasionally smarting off or breaking rules. The
only thing that makes me different from everyone else is that I am totally
blind.

 I have had no vision since I was nine. The little vision I had before then
was not very helpful. I used large print books, even though I knew Braille.
I knew how to use a cane but never did because I thought I could get around
well enough without it. I was wrong. After I became blind, I learned Nemeth
code for math. My Dad also helped me learn how to use an abacus. I made it
through fourth and fifth grade, having adjusted pretty well.

 The summer before sixth grade my mother and I went to the annual convention
of the National Federation of the Blind in Dallas. I knew as soon as we
stepped into the lobby of the hotel that it would be an experience I would
never forget. Nearly everyone had a cane or guide dog. I felt silly hanging
on to my mom's arm. I noticed how well some of the people got around, and I
was encouraged. I met a lot of nice people and also traded in my old short
cane for a new long one.

 I met a lot of kids from the Summer Training and Employment Project (STEP)
at the Louisiana Center for the Blind. They explained to my mother and me
that the program was for blind teenagers. If I enrolled, I would take
classes in Braille, cane travel, daily living skills, and computers. The
program also helps students find summer jobs. My mother was very interested;
I was not!

 When it came time to apply the next year, my mother did. I was not old
enough for STEP, so I was placed in the Buddy Program. I was nervous just
thinking about going, but I was terrified when my Mom explained that my
counselors and teachers would also be blind. I didn't let either of my
parents know that I was scared; I just complained about how it would ruin my
summer. But, when my parents dropped me off, I had to admit that they had
won this one, and I was stuck in Ruston for a month.

 I started to like it, though; it was just a neat setup. There were only
eight kids with four counselors. It was fun having such a small group. I
made friends with the students and could talk to them about stuff that I
couldn't talk to my sighted friends about. I could talk to them because they
knew how it felt and could relate. The counselors were great role models. I
especially liked my counselor, Brenda Walburn. I also liked my travel
instructor, Eddie Bell. It always seemed as though he was picking on me and
asking me confusing questions. I would know the answer, but if he asked,
"Are you sure?" I was not sure. I liked cane travel the most even though it
scared me. It wasn't long until I started to love the Buddy Program. It
really helped me to be surrounded by positive blind people.

 Before I knew it, we were in the last week, and it was time for my solo
route in travel. At first I was terrified. But then I realized I could do
it, and I got excited. I remember walking into travel class, feeling
slightly nervous, getting my assignment, and going on my way. I don't
remember having any problems.

 When my parents came up for the parents' seminar at the end of the
four-week summer session, they were delighted to see me floating around so
easily. I took my cane into all the stores and used it well. I was really
sad to go, because I would miss all my friends. I talked to them when I
needed to strengthen my beliefs in what I could do as a blind person. I
think that, of all the staff, Eddie had the most influence on me. I know
that, if he hadn't pushed me until I was so mad that I felt like screaming,
I would never have done those routes, and I would never have developed much
confidence.

 I feel very lucky to have my parents too. I used to get mad at them for
always expecting so much of me. I now realize that, if they hadn't always
pushed me to do better in school and in everything I did, I wouldn't have
tried. I wouldn't have tried to make student council or honor society. I am
also very glad they made me go to Ruston. They knew that it would be good
for me, and as usual they were right. Sometimes I wonder what it would have
been like never to have met Eddie, Brenda, or the rest. I really believe
that, if I hadn't come to the Louisiana Center for the Blind, I would still
be scared of a lot of things.

 Sometimes I also wonder about my future. Who knows what kind of challenges
it will hold? As long as I have the support of my parents, the friends I
have made at the center in Ruston, and the National Federation of the Blind,
I can handle anything that is thrown my way! If ever I meet other blind
people who don't know about the National Federation of the Blind, I'm going
to tell them how much I believe in them the same way that my Federation
friends continue to believe in me!

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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 22:41:43 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:41:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pandora Question
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Thanks, Julie and Joseph. This will teach me to turn off automatic updates.
<Smile>

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via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 2:27 PM
To: Joseph Hudson; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pandora Question

Hi Chris,

You can always go into your shuffle options and only shuffle the stations
you want to play.  I will warn you though that this is not the easiest thing
to do with voice over.  You can swipe until you get to the shuffle options
button.  You have to know where it is on the screen.  I had to get a sighted
friend to show me where it is.  It's towards the right of the screen close
to the top.  Just tap randomly in that area until you find it.  If you hit
the shuffle stations radio (or whatever Pandora calls it now), you just tap
(not swipe) to the right, and you should get to it.  Double tap on that, and
then it will tell you what you have selected to shuffle.

I hope this helps.

On 12/29/14, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Chris, I believe Pandora is aware of the issue, And they are 
> working on some fixes to fix the problem is when I saw on another group.
> Joseph Hudson
> jhud7789 at outlook.com
>
>
>
>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Recent updates to Pandora for iOS seem to have broken some 
>> accessibility features. With these changes, how can I delete a station
from my library?
>> I have added a couple Christmas stations for the holidays, but, as 
>> much as I love the season and its music, I often shuffle my stations 
>> and wouldn't want Christmas music added to the mix in the middle of
spring or summer.
>> :) Thanks in advance for any help.
>>
>> Happy New Year,
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
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--
Julie McGinnity
National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation of
the Blind of Missouri recording secretary, graduate Guiding Eyes for the
Blind 2008, 2014 "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 22:48:50 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 17:48:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] disability services in college
Message-ID: <54a32c00.ae628c0a.354c.5a8f@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas hope things are going well.  Each college campus has an 
Sds ofife that provides services to students with disabilities.  
Before the beginning of each semester I send an email to my Sds 
counselor asking about my textbooks and accmmodation letters.  I 
am copied on the emails that are sent to my professors at the 
beginning of the semester.

Sds Questions

1.  How long in advance do my pofessors need to send assignments 
that need to be brailled?

2.  Can I use my IPad Mini in a classroom setting?

3.  How much time do I have for tests?

4.  Can I record my lectures in class?


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 23:08:05 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:08:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness
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Hi Andrew and all,

Like Michael I'll begin by pointing out that I'm neither a doctor 
nor a neuroscientist.  As Arielle and Kaiti have pointed out, 
blindness often is caused by an underlying condition like 
premature birth or a brain tumor that affects other areas of the 
brain causing cognitive disabilities.  There are also genetic 
links between blindness and other disabilities in some cases.  I 
have significant doubt that the lack of visual information in 
itself causes developmental delays as opposed to the delays being 
socially caused by people's reaction to blindness.  When blind 
children are prevented from exploring their environment out of a 
mistaken idea that it would be too dangerous for them, for 
instance, it's no wonder that their brains don't develop 
properly.  Social situations also can have a huge impact.  I 
personally know several blind people who were put in resource 
rooms with multiply-impaired children instead of being 
mainstreamed and basically learned to be autistic by doing what 
children do and internalizing the behavior of their peers as the 
proper way to behave.  Even mainstreamed blind children are often 
not held to the same social and academic standards as their sited 
peers, and this can become a self-fulfilling prophecy--students 
end up being behind in math or reading because they are not 
expected to practice as much or with as challenging materials as 
sited students for instance.  Like Kaiti's example of being 
prevented from crawling none of this is caused by the blindness 
itself.

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>, National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 13:26:36 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness

Hi Andrew and all,

Arielle and Michael spell out what they've said very well.  From 
the
perspective of someone who is going into a profession where 
people
with disabilities are viewed as being "served," I can say that 
that
abelist view tends to creep into professions like this more than 
it
probably should.  I've attended national and regional conferences 
and
sometimes heard blind clients described in ways like, "His lack 
of
spatial awareness causes significant balance issues."  Sometimes 
there
is another underlying cause of these difficulties, such as 
Cerebral
Palsy which accounts for the balance instead of the loss of 
vision,
and that condition is mentioned almost as an afterthought.  In 
many
cases, I think these professionals who work with the blind and 
the
blind with other disabilities don't know what they really don't 
know,
and use blindness as the catch-all.  Of course, this is something 
that
is really concerning.

I am also not a doctor, but I do think it is important to take 
the
specific developmental delay this person is claiming you have 
into
consideration.  Also, if they are not a medical doctor and are 
not one
of your physicians, I wouldn't take their diagnosis too 
seriously.  If
they have the distinction of doctor because they have a PH.D in 
their
field, that still doesn't give them the knowledge or freedom to
diagnose you, not to mention they don't know your entire case 
like a
physician who regularly sees you would.

The term "Developmentally delayed" is often handed out pretty
liberally, I think, but as Arielle said it really doesn't have to 
mean
much in the long run.  I was considered developmentally delayed 
for a
while when I was really little.  I had just had a bunch of eye
surgeries, and my parents were worried I'd bump into something 
and
hurt myself so they didn't put me down on the floor much to let 
me
crawl.  In that case, my blindness or another syndrome wasn't 
even the
issue; it was human interference.  Likewise, my sighted sister 
was
thought to have something wrong with her brain because though her 
hips
were fine, she just decided she would crawl and drag one leg 
behind
her.  In both cases, neither of us grew up with lasting effects 
of the
"developmental delay."  Einstein is another example, and I'm sure
there are plenty of others.  It has been speculated that Mozart 
even
had some developmental problems, and like Einstein he was really
successful.

I really wouldn't worry too much about it.  Unless your M.D 
doctor
mentions a concern I don't think you have to worry.  If you are
though, you could mention the claim at your next check up and see 
what
your doctor says.

On 12/29/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Hi Andrew and all,
 Great question. First let's define developmental delay. 
Typically this
 term means that a  young child achieves certain milestones like
 crawling, walking, talking or socializing later in life than the
 "average" child. Obviously there is a  huge range as far as how 
old
 children are when they achieve milestones, but it is possible to
 calculate average ages and label a child as developmentally 
delayed if
 they deviate far from the average. Having a developmental delay 
as a
 child does not necessarily mean one is less successful as an 
adult.
 For example, I have heard that Albert Einstein did not speak 
until he
 was 4, while most children start speaking between about 9 and 18
 months. Einstein was developmentally delayed, but obviously
 successful.
 It is fair to say that many blind children show developmental 
delays.
 However, the cause is hard to identify because most blind 
children
 have neurological impairments in addition to blindness, and
 neurological impairments also cause delays. Oftentimes blindness 
is
 caused by premature birth or a syndrome that also causes other
 disabilities, and these other disabilities may not be diagnosed 
right
 away. Some researchers have argued that even kids who are blind 
with
 no known disabilities tend to be delayed in crawling and 
walking. This
 issue does not affect every blind child however. Sighted babies 
move
 about in response to things they see and vision has a lot of 
nice
 properties. For example, a sighted baby can stare at a toy for a 
long
 time and then decide to reach for it. A blind baby might hear a 
sound,
 but if that sound comes and goes, the baby may not realize the 
sound
 is coming from an actual object. Blind babies who are exposed to 
a
 lot of items that make noise or that they can touch are less 
likely to
 have developmental delays. It concerns me when people 
automatically
 assume a delay is "normal" for a blind child because they may 
then not
 encourage the child to explore their world or make as much 
effort to
 expose them to new experiences. Such an assumption might also 
lead
 parents or doctors to not look for other medical conditions that 
could
 be causing the delay. As Michael said, this assumption is 
ablest. In
 short, I would posit that if blind kids are at risk for delays, 
this
 is not because of blindness but because the environment they are 
in
 doesn't offer enough accessible experiences (like with  objects 
they
 can touch or that make continuous sounds) to aid their 
development.
 Arielle

 On 12/29/14, Andrew via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi Michael thank you for your note   it is a great topic by the 
way  I
 will be looking forward to hearing the other's views on this.

 On 12/29/14, Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu> wrote:
 Hello:
 	First, a couple of disclaimers.
 1)	No question is ever dumb.
 2)	I'm not a doctor, medical or otherwise, nor is Nero 
cognition my area
 of
 expertise.
 With that said, I would like to propose two different theories. 
First,
 I'd
 argue that developmental delays ought to be normal for most 
blind
 individuals. A large part of human adaptation comes from visual
 analysis;
 if
 we lack that capability, then adaptation is slower and thus, 
development
 is
 slowed. Now, with that said, I know there have been studies (at 
my
 University and probably others), in the neuroscience field, 
which show
 that
 other senses (smell, sound, etc.)  Produce responses within the 
visual
 cortex of blind individual's brains (there is a gentleman from
 California,
 by the name of Brian something, who was on the discovery channel 
who
 referred to this as a form of echo location). This would 
expedite the
 development somewhat I'd think, but not to the same degree.
 	My second theory is that people are more inclined to label 
visually
 challenged individuals as developmentally delayed, in order to 
explain
 the
 inability to grasp certain things (personally, I'd argue this is 
ablest
 in
 nature). What I mean is, if a blind person does not receive 
tactile
 representations of inherently visual things, but a person 
expects them
 to
 know what it is (I.E. a round-Square), they might decide that 
person is
 merely developmentally delayed.
 	I don't know if either theory is accurate, perhaps Arielle 
or someone
 with
 a little more relevant expertise might be able to give you a 
better
 answer.
 Respectfully,
 Michael Ausbun

 ________________________________________
 From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Andrew via 
nabs-l
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 Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 11:46 AM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] developmental delay and blindness

 Hi all
 have a rather dumb question.   Is developmental delay quite 
common
 amung blind people or is it not that common the person who  
works with
 just disability people over all said i have a slight 
developmental
 delay  that is why i am asking.  like they re fer to her as a 
doctor
 so and so but not really medical doctor though. but anyway is 
this a
 common thing?

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 23:08:07 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 18:08:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] disability services in college
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These are some good additional questions.  The only other thing I 
think is important is to find out how they get your books.  Do 
they request publisher files?  If publisher files are not 
available--they aren't for trade books, which is most of what 
you'll be reading in upper level classes and in things like 
English classes--does the office scan books for you?  Do they 
have someone proofread the things they scan if they scan them?  
By the way, you almost certainly won't be getting books in 
braille at all, and if you do they'll be embossed.  Almost all 
colleges will give them to you electronically, which actually is 
more efficient.  Neither of the schools I've gone to (they were 
both public) had the capability to produce things in braille.  As 
for adaptive technology, most schools will have a computer in the 
library with Jaws and maybe one or two more, but of course you'll 
have to provide your own personal computer and notetaker etc.  
You might also want to talk to them and try to figure out 
indirectly if dss tries to control the classes disabled students 
take.  I've heard horror stories from friends at some schools 
where dss basically exempts blind students from taking certain 
classes, such as basic math, because they don't want to provide 
the accommodations that would be necessary.  You probably also 
want to talk about how accommodations for lab science classes 
work.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: NMPBRAT--- via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: alpineimagination at gmail.com, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:03:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disability services in college

Vejas,
Here are a few other suggestions for  questions:
1) How many people work for the DSS?
2) What days and hours are the DSS open?
3) What accommodations are available to me, including testing
accommodations?  What is the process for requesting those  
accommodations?
4) How willing do professors seem to be when working with the  
DSS office?
(note: if you know what degree you are majoring in, you can be  
specific to
that particular group of professors)
5) Who do I talk to and what is the process in dealing with  
issues that
arise in a particular class or with a particular  professor?
6) What percentage of students that your office services are  
blind or
visually impaired?
7) What resources, if any, do you work with outside of your  
office?

Just some thoughts!  Good luck!

Nicole


In a message dated 12/29/2014 5:51:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
nabs-l at nfbnet.org writes:

Hi  All,
I am going to be meeting soon with the disability services of my
schools and have some questions/want some insight.
How do you know how  good a DSS program is? (Of my three 
colleges,
one is a Cal State and two  are private, so the privates may not
have very good services).
If the  DSS is poor but you like the college for all other
reasons, is this a big  enough reason not to attend that college?
Also, I'd really like your ideas  on questions I could ask DSS.  
I
already have 5, which I'll paste  below my name, and I would
really appreciate if you could add some more or  change any of 
the
above.
Thanks.
Vejas
Questions to Ask  DSS
1.  How quickly is the turnaround time for Braille  materials?
2.  Is there a Braille transcriber/braillist on campus, or  is
everything just going to be embossed?
3.  Is there anyone on  campus who can create raised diagrams for
subjects such as chemistry and  mathematics?
4.  What kind of adaptive technology is offered at the  school?
5.  Should anything go wrong with my hearing aids, is there
anyone who can help with  them?

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From mausbun at unr.edu  Tue Dec 30 23:12:36 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 23:12:36 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] disability services in college
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Hello
Just to add on to what Carl was saying, I personally experienced my school attempting to talk me out and excepting symbolic logic. For me, that was silly considering it's crucial for success in my field (in my opinion). 
Exempting course is never necessary, as long as a student is inventive and willing to be persistent.


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> On Dec 30, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> These are some good additional questions.  The only other thing I think is important is to find out how they get your books.  Do they request publisher files?  If publisher files are not available--they aren't for trade books, which is most of what you'll be reading in upper level classes and in things like English classes--does the office scan books for you?  Do they have someone proofread the things they scan if they scan them?  By the way, you almost certainly won't be getting books in braille at all, and if you do they'll be embossed.  Almost all colleges will give them to you electronically, which actually is more efficient.  Neither of the schools I've gone to (they were both public) had the capability to produce things in braille.  As for adaptive technology, most schools will have a computer in the library with Jaws and maybe one or two more, but of course you'll have to provide your own personal computer and notetaker etc.  You might also want to talk to them and try to figure out indirectly if dss tries to control the classes disabled students take.  I've heard horror stories from friends at some schools where dss basically exempts blind students from taking certain classes, such as basic math, because they don't want to provide the accommodations that would be necessary.  You probably also want to talk about how accommodations for lab science classes work.
> 
> Best,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: NMPBRAT--- via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: alpineimagination at gmail.com, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:03:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disability services in college
> 
> Vejas,
> Here are a few other suggestions for  questions:
> 1) How many people work for the DSS?
> 2) What days and hours are the DSS open?
> 3) What accommodations are available to me, including testing
> accommodations?  What is the process for requesting those  accommodations?
> 4) How willing do professors seem to be when working with the  DSS office?
> (note: if you know what degree you are majoring in, you can be  specific to
> that particular group of professors)
> 5) Who do I talk to and what is the process in dealing with  issues that
> arise in a particular class or with a particular  professor?
> 6) What percentage of students that your office services are  blind or
> visually impaired?
> 7) What resources, if any, do you work with outside of your  office?
> 
> Just some thoughts!  Good luck!
> 
> Nicole
> 
> 
> In a message dated 12/29/2014 5:51:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org writes:
> 
> Hi  All,
> I am going to be meeting soon with the disability services of my
> schools and have some questions/want some insight.
> How do you know how  good a DSS program is? (Of my three colleges,
> one is a Cal State and two  are private, so the privates may not
> have very good services).
> If the  DSS is poor but you like the college for all other
> reasons, is this a big  enough reason not to attend that college?
> Also, I'd really like your ideas  on questions I could ask DSS.  I
> already have 5, which I'll paste  below my name, and I would
> really appreciate if you could add some more or  change any of the
> above.
> Thanks.
> Vejas
> Questions to Ask  DSS
> 1.  How quickly is the turnaround time for Braille  materials?
> 2.  Is there a Braille transcriber/braillist on campus, or  is
> everything just going to be embossed?
> 3.  Is there anyone on  campus who can create raised diagrams for
> subjects such as chemistry and  mathematics?
> 4.  What kind of adaptive technology is offered at the  school?
> 5.  Should anything go wrong with my hearing aids, is there
> anyone who can help with  them?
> 
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Wed Dec 31 04:11:46 2014
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:11:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] [SPAM?] Re:  disability services in college
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I go to Arizona State and they have computers with JAWS, MAGic in several
labs, libraries and in the high tech center in disabled student services.
The will make tactile diagrams of things if needed. They offered to make me
some for Circuits. They also have a braille printer and braille displays on
some computers. So it seems there are really various levels of what is
available and what is provided. They have an entire alternative format
department to handle text books. I get electronic and if requested I can
get large print. I prefer they get the pdf's from the publisher because
they are better quality than scanned for reading with zoomtext.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> These are some good additional questions.  The only other thing I think is
> important is to find out how they get your books.  Do they request
> publisher files?  If publisher files are not available--they aren't for
> trade books, which is most of what you'll be reading in upper level classes
> and in things like English classes--does the office scan books for you?  Do
> they have someone proofread the things they scan if they scan them?  By the
> way, you almost certainly won't be getting books in braille at all, and if
> you do they'll be embossed.  Almost all colleges will give them to you
> electronically, which actually is more efficient.  Neither of the schools
> I've gone to (they were both public) had the capability to produce things
> in braille.  As for adaptive technology, most schools will have a computer
> in the library with Jaws and maybe one or two more, but of course you'll
> have to provide your own personal computer and notetaker etc.  You might
> also want to talk to them and try to figure out indirectly if dss tries to
> control the classes disabled students take.  I've heard horror stories from
> friends at some schools where dss basically exempts blind students from
> taking certain classes, such as basic math, because they don't want to
> provide the accommodations that would be necessary.  You probably also want
> to talk about how accommodations for lab science classes work.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: NMPBRAT--- via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: alpineimagination at gmail.com, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:03:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disability services in college
>
> Vejas,
> Here are a few other suggestions for  questions:
> 1) How many people work for the DSS?
> 2) What days and hours are the DSS open?
> 3) What accommodations are available to me, including testing
> accommodations?  What is the process for requesting those  accommodations?
> 4) How willing do professors seem to be when working with the  DSS office?
> (note: if you know what degree you are majoring in, you can be  specific to
> that particular group of professors)
> 5) Who do I talk to and what is the process in dealing with  issues that
> arise in a particular class or with a particular  professor?
> 6) What percentage of students that your office services are  blind or
> visually impaired?
> 7) What resources, if any, do you work with outside of your  office?
>
> Just some thoughts!  Good luck!
>
> Nicole
>
>
> In a message dated 12/29/2014 5:51:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org writes:
>
> Hi  All,
> I am going to be meeting soon with the disability services of my
> schools and have some questions/want some insight.
> How do you know how  good a DSS program is? (Of my three colleges,
> one is a Cal State and two  are private, so the privates may not
> have very good services).
> If the  DSS is poor but you like the college for all other
> reasons, is this a big  enough reason not to attend that college?
> Also, I'd really like your ideas  on questions I could ask DSS.  I
> already have 5, which I'll paste  below my name, and I would
> really appreciate if you could add some more or  change any of the
> above.
> Thanks.
> Vejas
> Questions to Ask  DSS
> 1.  How quickly is the turnaround time for Braille  materials?
> 2.  Is there a Braille transcriber/braillist on campus, or  is
> everything just going to be embossed?
> 3.  Is there anyone on  campus who can create raised diagrams for
> subjects such as chemistry and  mathematics?
> 4.  What kind of adaptive technology is offered at the  school?
> 5.  Should anything go wrong with my hearing aids, is there
> anyone who can help with  them?
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 04:57:42 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 23:57:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [SPAM?] Re: disability services in college
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	<CAF=_avfxBbSavgOjjDXKqgEBm5xLJot2LF+3-A9rvvu7RTFGHg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi, Vejas and all,

First off, don't discount private colleges.  I toured several private
and public colleges before choosing the school I attend now, which is
private and has a pretty awesome DS office and staff.  One thing that
I really like that my DS office does is that it employs students to do
much of the book scanning, edits, and stuff in addition to answering
phones and some basic emails that aren't specifically for a staff
member.  This is great, because if I have a simple worksheet or a
packet of information I need to read for class, I can just give it to
a student worker and have them email it to me once they're done rather
than waiting for a DS coordinator to be free from meetings or other
stuff.  I would ask if such a system is in place, and if so I would
plan to try to get to know the students who work there a bit.  I know
the girl who edits most of my books and she's an English major, so in
addition to being already detail oriented, I think that knowing who
the book is going to might help with making sure that it's
well-proofread.  (She's also been very nice and bumped papers up in
the cue for me if professors give them to me late so I could still
turn work in on time).

As mentioned, you'll probably not get a lot in braille.  So far I've
only gotten my math stuff and some science diagrams in braille, and
everything else has been electronic.  I'm a stickler for braille as
much as the next guy, but having almost everything electronic really
helps, and cuts down on your load.  If you thought carrying a bunch of
books was hard in high school, you certainly won't want to lug braille
volumes around a college campus.

I'd ask to see a testing room if you can, and to meet some of the
other staff members.  Your meetings will probably consist largely of
your DS coordinator reciting some basic shpeel about accommodations,
the ADA, etc, but it's the questions you ask and the other people you
meet who will help you decide which DS office is the best fit for you.

Additional Questions:
1.  Do you have an assistive technology specialist on staff?  If so,
can I meet them?  If not, are there any plans to bring one on staff in
the foreseeable future?
2.  Are there any assistive technologies I can loan/borrow for
academic or assistive purposes should I need them?  (My college does
this, and just requires me to sign a release stating that I'll pay for
any damage or loss to the device if something happens while I have it.
I also have to return it by an agreed deadline, but borrowing a Focus
40 sure beats having to buy one).
3.  Do you offer any training on assistive technology devices?  (Again
with the focus 40, I was able to get a quick half hour session with
the assistive technology specialist without leaving campus).
4.  What are the standard accommodations a blind person would receive?
 Just see what they tell you at a glance.  You should at the least be
guaranteed extended time on tests (usually double time), assistive
technology on tests and for use in the classroom, text descriptions of
pictures or videos shown in class, volunteer notetaker (if you want
it), a reader (if needed), distraction-reduced environments for test,
alternative formats for books and class materials (including books),
and a scribe for tests (if needed).  I would also see if they have a
policy about electronic submissions.  Most colleges don't, but it
might be something to ask about.  I had a professor who did not want
to accept assignments attached to emails, and I was able to get
electronic submission to be a reasonable accommodation because print
papers create organizational nightmares for me.
5.  See if you can find other disabled students on campus to talk to,
preferably blind ones but any should be able to provide some insight
into how good or bad the DS office is with response to problems,
working with professors, etc.

Remember that a lot of the advocacy is going to come from you first.
I know you've probably heard it a million times, but the DSS rarely
gets involved unless the professor goes to them directly to sort out
an issue, or there is some problem and after unsuccessfully advocating
for yourself you ask them to step in and back you up.

Some DS offices are awesome; mine has really gone above and beyond for
me, and while I don't use them often aside from getting my books and
materials they've always been willing to help read something, or help
me find something on campus if it's a location I've never had to go to
before but need to for a class.  The nice thing about student workers
in a DS department is that they are often able to do these things
because there are enough of them working at a time that work doesn't
stop.

On 12/30/14, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I go to Arizona State and they have computers with JAWS, MAGic in several
> labs, libraries and in the high tech center in disabled student services.
> The will make tactile diagrams of things if needed. They offered to make me
> some for Circuits. They also have a braille printer and braille displays on
> some computers. So it seems there are really various levels of what is
> available and what is provided. They have an entire alternative format
> department to handle text books. I get electronic and if requested I can
> get large print. I prefer they get the pdf's from the publisher because
> they are better quality than scanned for reading with zoomtext.
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> These are some good additional questions.  The only other thing I think
>> is
>> important is to find out how they get your books.  Do they request
>> publisher files?  If publisher files are not available--they aren't for
>> trade books, which is most of what you'll be reading in upper level
>> classes
>> and in things like English classes--does the office scan books for you?
>> Do
>> they have someone proofread the things they scan if they scan them?  By
>> the
>> way, you almost certainly won't be getting books in braille at all, and
>> if
>> you do they'll be embossed.  Almost all colleges will give them to you
>> electronically, which actually is more efficient.  Neither of the schools
>> I've gone to (they were both public) had the capability to produce things
>> in braille.  As for adaptive technology, most schools will have a
>> computer
>> in the library with Jaws and maybe one or two more, but of course you'll
>> have to provide your own personal computer and notetaker etc.  You might
>> also want to talk to them and try to figure out indirectly if dss tries
>> to
>> control the classes disabled students take.  I've heard horror stories
>> from
>> friends at some schools where dss basically exempts blind students from
>> taking certain classes, such as basic math, because they don't want to
>> provide the accommodations that would be necessary.  You probably also
>> want
>> to talk about how accommodations for lab science classes work.
>>
>> Best,
>> Karl
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: NMPBRAT--- via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: alpineimagination at gmail.com, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:03:32 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disability services in college
>>
>> Vejas,
>> Here are a few other suggestions for  questions:
>> 1) How many people work for the DSS?
>> 2) What days and hours are the DSS open?
>> 3) What accommodations are available to me, including testing
>> accommodations?  What is the process for requesting those
>> accommodations?
>> 4) How willing do professors seem to be when working with the  DSS
>> office?
>> (note: if you know what degree you are majoring in, you can be  specific
>> to
>> that particular group of professors)
>> 5) Who do I talk to and what is the process in dealing with  issues that
>> arise in a particular class or with a particular  professor?
>> 6) What percentage of students that your office services are  blind or
>> visually impaired?
>> 7) What resources, if any, do you work with outside of your  office?
>>
>> Just some thoughts!  Good luck!
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 12/29/2014 5:51:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org writes:
>>
>> Hi  All,
>> I am going to be meeting soon with the disability services of my
>> schools and have some questions/want some insight.
>> How do you know how  good a DSS program is? (Of my three colleges,
>> one is a Cal State and two  are private, so the privates may not
>> have very good services).
>> If the  DSS is poor but you like the college for all other
>> reasons, is this a big  enough reason not to attend that college?
>> Also, I'd really like your ideas  on questions I could ask DSS.  I
>> already have 5, which I'll paste  below my name, and I would
>> really appreciate if you could add some more or  change any of the
>> above.
>> Thanks.
>> Vejas
>> Questions to Ask  DSS
>> 1.  How quickly is the turnaround time for Braille  materials?
>> 2.  Is there a Braille transcriber/braillist on campus, or  is
>> everything just going to be embossed?
>> 3.  Is there anyone on  campus who can create raised diagrams for
>> subjects such as chemistry and  mathematics?
>> 4.  What kind of adaptive technology is offered at the  school?
>> 5.  Should anything go wrong with my hearing aids, is there
>> anyone who can help with  them?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 20:16:02 2014
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (Petras Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:16:02 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote mpower problem
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:14:03 -0800
Subject: braillenote mpower problem
To: zumbagecko at gmail.com

Hi,
My braillenote mpower seems to be acting up alot when the ac
adapter is unplugged.  If I hit the reset button, the braplenote
will say connect according adapter in grde 1 and switch off and
the service reset does nothing, however when I plug it in it will
start up and show up as 100 percent.  Before it would warn me
that it is low.  I attempted to condition the battery several
times, because it continues to switch off randomly.  The last
time I conditioned it, it will always think that it is 100
percent.  I attempted to condition it again and still the same
result.  This is almost like if I havent conditioned it for a
while.  If I let it sit there for 30 minutes and unplug, it will
immily switch off.  However, I tried a service reset and it
started up.  What could the problem be? I am using keysoft 7.01,
an old version of keysoft.
Thanks,
Petras


From mausbun at unr.edu  Wed Dec 31 20:19:41 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:19:41 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote mpower problem
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	<CAGFg1OvFABtFaPz-5kRfyufNtR6T2k4P74cc94VRAGVeJPrR=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B852827@UBOX1.unr.edu>

If I had to take a wild guess, I would suggest that it is a battery issue, in that the battery needs to be replaced. You can purchess these from the website, for I believe something like $40. I could be wrong; but that is what it sounds like to me.
Respectfully,
Michael
________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Petras Vasiliauskas via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:16 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote mpower problem

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:14:03 -0800
Subject: braillenote mpower problem
To: zumbagecko at gmail.com

Hi,
My braillenote mpower seems to be acting up alot when the ac
adapter is unplugged.  If I hit the reset button, the braplenote
will say connect according adapter in grde 1 and switch off and
the service reset does nothing, however when I plug it in it will
start up and show up as 100 percent.  Before it would warn me
that it is low.  I attempted to condition the battery several
times, because it continues to switch off randomly.  The last
time I conditioned it, it will always think that it is 100
percent.  I attempted to condition it again and still the same
result.  This is almost like if I havent conditioned it for a
while.  If I let it sit there for 30 minutes and unplug, it will
immily switch off.  However, I tried a service reset and it
started up.  What could the problem be? I am using keysoft 7.01,
an old version of keysoft.
Thanks,
Petras

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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Wed Dec 31 20:21:31 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:21:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote mpower problem
In-Reply-To: <CAGFg1OvFABtFaPz-5kRfyufNtR6T2k4P74cc94VRAGVeJPrR=g@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi, it sounds like you may need to see about a new battery the only thing now that I can think is Alan have you had the unique and visual units still have warranty on it through human ware.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Dec 31, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Petras Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:14:03 -0800
> Subject: braillenote mpower problem
> To: zumbagecko at gmail.com
> 
> Hi,
> My braillenote mpower seems to be acting up alot when the ac
> adapter is unplugged.  If I hit the reset button, the braplenote
> will say connect according adapter in grde 1 and switch off and
> the service reset does nothing, however when I plug it in it will
> start up and show up as 100 percent.  Before it would warn me
> that it is low.  I attempted to condition the battery several
> times, because it continues to switch off randomly.  The last
> time I conditioned it, it will always think that it is 100
> percent.  I attempted to condition it again and still the same
> result.  This is almost like if I havent conditioned it for a
> while.  If I let it sit there for 30 minutes and unplug, it will
> immily switch off.  However, I tried a service reset and it
> started up.  What could the problem be? I am using keysoft 7.01,
> an old version of keysoft.
> Thanks,
> Petras
> 
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From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 20:23:23 2014
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:23:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote mpower problem
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	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B852827@UBOX1.unr.edu>
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I know the user replaceable batteries are available for the apex, but are they available for the MPower? I did not think they were… anyway, I would have to agree with Mike here. Since it works fine using the AC adapter, it definitely sounds like a battery issue.

Hope Paulos

> On Dec 31, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If I had to take a wild guess, I would suggest that it is a battery issue, in that the battery needs to be replaced. You can purchess these from the website, for I believe something like $40. I could be wrong; but that is what it sounds like to me.
> Respectfully,
> Michael
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Petras Vasiliauskas via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:16 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote mpower problem
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:14:03 -0800
> Subject: braillenote mpower problem
> To: zumbagecko at gmail.com
> 
> Hi,
> My braillenote mpower seems to be acting up alot when the ac
> adapter is unplugged.  If I hit the reset button, the braplenote
> will say connect according adapter in grde 1 and switch off and
> the service reset does nothing, however when I plug it in it will
> start up and show up as 100 percent.  Before it would warn me
> that it is low.  I attempted to condition the battery several
> times, because it continues to switch off randomly.  The last
> time I conditioned it, it will always think that it is 100
> percent.  I attempted to condition it again and still the same
> result.  This is almost like if I havent conditioned it for a
> while.  If I let it sit there for 30 minutes and unplug, it will
> immily switch off.  However, I tried a service reset and it
> started up.  What could the problem be? I am using keysoft 7.01,
> an old version of keysoft.
> Thanks,
> Petras
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 20:29:10 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:29:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] disability services in college
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Hi,
Thank you all so much for your answers. I just wanted to clarify something.
Did you wait until you were for sure going to be accepted into the
college before having the meetings? I'm still waiting to see if I will
be accepted.
Also, Karl, you mentioned that sometimes DSS will exempt someone from
taking a class because they don't want to make the diagrams. Is it
worth fighting for that even if it's a class you don't want to take?
For example, I might have to take math for one year but I want to be
an English major. So is it worth fighting for even if it's just a
general ed class that you don't care to take anyway? Or should you
still fight for a class that you don't want to take because your
sighted peers are taking it?
I would really appreciate oppiinions on this.
Thanks,
Vejas


On 12/30/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, Vejas and all,
>
> First off, don't discount private colleges.  I toured several private
> and public colleges before choosing the school I attend now, which is
> private and has a pretty awesome DS office and staff.  One thing that
> I really like that my DS office does is that it employs students to do
> much of the book scanning, edits, and stuff in addition to answering
> phones and some basic emails that aren't specifically for a staff
> member.  This is great, because if I have a simple worksheet or a
> packet of information I need to read for class, I can just give it to
> a student worker and have them email it to me once they're done rather
> than waiting for a DS coordinator to be free from meetings or other
> stuff.  I would ask if such a system is in place, and if so I would
> plan to try to get to know the students who work there a bit.  I know
> the girl who edits most of my books and she's an English major, so in
> addition to being already detail oriented, I think that knowing who
> the book is going to might help with making sure that it's
> well-proofread.  (She's also been very nice and bumped papers up in
> the cue for me if professors give them to me late so I could still
> turn work in on time).
>
> As mentioned, you'll probably not get a lot in braille.  So far I've
> only gotten my math stuff and some science diagrams in braille, and
> everything else has been electronic.  I'm a stickler for braille as
> much as the next guy, but having almost everything electronic really
> helps, and cuts down on your load.  If you thought carrying a bunch of
> books was hard in high school, you certainly won't want to lug braille
> volumes around a college campus.
>
> I'd ask to see a testing room if you can, and to meet some of the
> other staff members.  Your meetings will probably consist largely of
> your DS coordinator reciting some basic shpeel about accommodations,
> the ADA, etc, but it's the questions you ask and the other people you
> meet who will help you decide which DS office is the best fit for you.
>
> Additional Questions:
> 1.  Do you have an assistive technology specialist on staff?  If so,
> can I meet them?  If not, are there any plans to bring one on staff in
> the foreseeable future?
> 2.  Are there any assistive technologies I can loan/borrow for
> academic or assistive purposes should I need them?  (My college does
> this, and just requires me to sign a release stating that I'll pay for
> any damage or loss to the device if something happens while I have it.
> I also have to return it by an agreed deadline, but borrowing a Focus
> 40 sure beats having to buy one).
> 3.  Do you offer any training on assistive technology devices?  (Again
> with the focus 40, I was able to get a quick half hour session with
> the assistive technology specialist without leaving campus).
> 4.  What are the standard accommodations a blind person would receive?
>  Just see what they tell you at a glance.  You should at the least be
> guaranteed extended time on tests (usually double time), assistive
> technology on tests and for use in the classroom, text descriptions of
> pictures or videos shown in class, volunteer notetaker (if you want
> it), a reader (if needed), distraction-reduced environments for test,
> alternative formats for books and class materials (including books),
> and a scribe for tests (if needed).  I would also see if they have a
> policy about electronic submissions.  Most colleges don't, but it
> might be something to ask about.  I had a professor who did not want
> to accept assignments attached to emails, and I was able to get
> electronic submission to be a reasonable accommodation because print
> papers create organizational nightmares for me.
> 5.  See if you can find other disabled students on campus to talk to,
> preferably blind ones but any should be able to provide some insight
> into how good or bad the DS office is with response to problems,
> working with professors, etc.
>
> Remember that a lot of the advocacy is going to come from you first.
> I know you've probably heard it a million times, but the DSS rarely
> gets involved unless the professor goes to them directly to sort out
> an issue, or there is some problem and after unsuccessfully advocating
> for yourself you ask them to step in and back you up.
>
> Some DS offices are awesome; mine has really gone above and beyond for
> me, and while I don't use them often aside from getting my books and
> materials they've always been willing to help read something, or help
> me find something on campus if it's a location I've never had to go to
> before but need to for a class.  The nice thing about student workers
> in a DS department is that they are often able to do these things
> because there are enough of them working at a time that work doesn't
> stop.
>
> On 12/30/14, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I go to Arizona State and they have computers with JAWS, MAGic in several
>> labs, libraries and in the high tech center in disabled student services.
>> The will make tactile diagrams of things if needed. They offered to make
>> me
>> some for Circuits. They also have a braille printer and braille displays
>> on
>> some computers. So it seems there are really various levels of what is
>> available and what is provided. They have an entire alternative format
>> department to handle text books. I get electronic and if requested I can
>> get large print. I prefer they get the pdf's from the publisher because
>> they are better quality than scanned for reading with zoomtext.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> These are some good additional questions.  The only other thing I think
>>> is
>>> important is to find out how they get your books.  Do they request
>>> publisher files?  If publisher files are not available--they aren't for
>>> trade books, which is most of what you'll be reading in upper level
>>> classes
>>> and in things like English classes--does the office scan books for you?
>>> Do
>>> they have someone proofread the things they scan if they scan them?  By
>>> the
>>> way, you almost certainly won't be getting books in braille at all, and
>>> if
>>> you do they'll be embossed.  Almost all colleges will give them to you
>>> electronically, which actually is more efficient.  Neither of the
>>> schools
>>> I've gone to (they were both public) had the capability to produce
>>> things
>>> in braille.  As for adaptive technology, most schools will have a
>>> computer
>>> in the library with Jaws and maybe one or two more, but of course you'll
>>> have to provide your own personal computer and notetaker etc.  You might
>>> also want to talk to them and try to figure out indirectly if dss tries
>>> to
>>> control the classes disabled students take.  I've heard horror stories
>>> from
>>> friends at some schools where dss basically exempts blind students from
>>> taking certain classes, such as basic math, because they don't want to
>>> provide the accommodations that would be necessary.  You probably also
>>> want
>>> to talk about how accommodations for lab science classes work.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Karl
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: NMPBRAT--- via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: alpineimagination at gmail.com, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:03:32 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disability services in college
>>>
>>> Vejas,
>>> Here are a few other suggestions for  questions:
>>> 1) How many people work for the DSS?
>>> 2) What days and hours are the DSS open?
>>> 3) What accommodations are available to me, including testing
>>> accommodations?  What is the process for requesting those
>>> accommodations?
>>> 4) How willing do professors seem to be when working with the  DSS
>>> office?
>>> (note: if you know what degree you are majoring in, you can be  specific
>>> to
>>> that particular group of professors)
>>> 5) Who do I talk to and what is the process in dealing with  issues that
>>> arise in a particular class or with a particular  professor?
>>> 6) What percentage of students that your office services are  blind or
>>> visually impaired?
>>> 7) What resources, if any, do you work with outside of your  office?
>>>
>>> Just some thoughts!  Good luck!
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 12/29/2014 5:51:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org writes:
>>>
>>> Hi  All,
>>> I am going to be meeting soon with the disability services of my
>>> schools and have some questions/want some insight.
>>> How do you know how  good a DSS program is? (Of my three colleges,
>>> one is a Cal State and two  are private, so the privates may not
>>> have very good services).
>>> If the  DSS is poor but you like the college for all other
>>> reasons, is this a big  enough reason not to attend that college?
>>> Also, I'd really like your ideas  on questions I could ask DSS.  I
>>> already have 5, which I'll paste  below my name, and I would
>>> really appreciate if you could add some more or  change any of the
>>> above.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Vejas
>>> Questions to Ask  DSS
>>> 1.  How quickly is the turnaround time for Braille  materials?
>>> 2.  Is there a Braille transcriber/braillist on campus, or  is
>>> everything just going to be embossed?
>>> 3.  Is there anyone on  campus who can create raised diagrams for
>>> subjects such as chemistry and  mathematics?
>>> 4.  What kind of adaptive technology is offered at the  school?
>>> 5.  Should anything go wrong with my hearing aids, is there
>>> anyone who can help with  them?
>>>
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Wed Dec 31 20:42:17 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:42:17 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] disability services in college
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Hello Vejas,
	It all comes down to your own personal level of dedication, for both of your recent questions (in my opinion). I’ll answer your questions from my perspective; thus, my response will derive itself out of the view of a student who is on track to finish his bachelor’s degree in three years with an honors designation.
	Personally, I always make it my business to conduct meetings with both the DSS and prospective professors before I know for sure whether I’ll A) be accepted or B) take the course. In the case of the DSS office, which is what you are asking about, you might find out that the Universities inner workings just don’t fit your needs. Or, perhaps, you will find that you absolutely love everything the DSS office has to offer. In this case, you are putting your name in their minds and the worst that could happen is you get a no. If you decide to go on to graduate school (and you want to go there maybe), the DSS office will know you. They could also pass on good vibes to whatever school you go on to (Legally, they aren’t supposed to talk about their clientele; however, like professors, and most humans, they sometimes do it anyways).
	As for fighting for a course, I’d recommend doing it. You never know what you will gain from that class, which may be applicable in your major. For example, a lot of linguistics (which falls under English), derives itself out of math and logic (though it may not be explicitly obvious). Plus, once you accomplish it, you can be like, “I did that!” and be proud of it. Likely, most people are going to automatically assume you can’t; therefore, from my point of view, by proving them wrong, you could bolster your self-confidence.
	As I said above though, it all comes down to a subjective mindset. In this case, it will come down to your own mindset and decision.
Respectfully,
Michael

________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:29 PM
To: Kaiti Shelton; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disability services in college

Hi,
Thank you all so much for your answers. I just wanted to clarify something.
Did you wait until you were for sure going to be accepted into the
college before having the meetings? I'm still waiting to see if I will
be accepted.
Also, Karl, you mentioned that sometimes DSS will exempt someone from
taking a class because they don't want to make the diagrams. Is it
worth fighting for that even if it's a class you don't want to take?
For example, I might have to take math for one year but I want to be
an English major. So is it worth fighting for even if it's just a
general ed class that you don't care to take anyway? Or should you
still fight for a class that you don't want to take because your
sighted peers are taking it?
I would really appreciate oppiinions on this.
Thanks,
Vejas


On 12/30/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, Vejas and all,
>
> First off, don't discount private colleges.  I toured several private
> and public colleges before choosing the school I attend now, which is
> private and has a pretty awesome DS office and staff.  One thing that
> I really like that my DS office does is that it employs students to do
> much of the book scanning, edits, and stuff in addition to answering
> phones and some basic emails that aren't specifically for a staff
> member.  This is great, because if I have a simple worksheet or a
> packet of information I need to read for class, I can just give it to
> a student worker and have them email it to me once they're done rather
> than waiting for a DS coordinator to be free from meetings or other
> stuff.  I would ask if such a system is in place, and if so I would
> plan to try to get to know the students who work there a bit.  I know
> the girl who edits most of my books and she's an English major, so in
> addition to being already detail oriented, I think that knowing who
> the book is going to might help with making sure that it's
> well-proofread.  (She's also been very nice and bumped papers up in
> the cue for me if professors give them to me late so I could still
> turn work in on time).
>
> As mentioned, you'll probably not get a lot in braille.  So far I've
> only gotten my math stuff and some science diagrams in braille, and
> everything else has been electronic.  I'm a stickler for braille as
> much as the next guy, but having almost everything electronic really
> helps, and cuts down on your load.  If you thought carrying a bunch of
> books was hard in high school, you certainly won't want to lug braille
> volumes around a college campus.
>
> I'd ask to see a testing room if you can, and to meet some of the
> other staff members.  Your meetings will probably consist largely of
> your DS coordinator reciting some basic shpeel about accommodations,
> the ADA, etc, but it's the questions you ask and the other people you
> meet who will help you decide which DS office is the best fit for you.
>
> Additional Questions:
> 1.  Do you have an assistive technology specialist on staff?  If so,
> can I meet them?  If not, are there any plans to bring one on staff in
> the foreseeable future?
> 2.  Are there any assistive technologies I can loan/borrow for
> academic or assistive purposes should I need them?  (My college does
> this, and just requires me to sign a release stating that I'll pay for
> any damage or loss to the device if something happens while I have it.
> I also have to return it by an agreed deadline, but borrowing a Focus
> 40 sure beats having to buy one).
> 3.  Do you offer any training on assistive technology devices?  (Again
> with the focus 40, I was able to get a quick half hour session with
> the assistive technology specialist without leaving campus).
> 4.  What are the standard accommodations a blind person would receive?
>  Just see what they tell you at a glance.  You should at the least be
> guaranteed extended time on tests (usually double time), assistive
> technology on tests and for use in the classroom, text descriptions of
> pictures or videos shown in class, volunteer notetaker (if you want
> it), a reader (if needed), distraction-reduced environments for test,
> alternative formats for books and class materials (including books),
> and a scribe for tests (if needed).  I would also see if they have a
> policy about electronic submissions.  Most colleges don't, but it
> might be something to ask about.  I had a professor who did not want
> to accept assignments attached to emails, and I was able to get
> electronic submission to be a reasonable accommodation because print
> papers create organizational nightmares for me.
> 5.  See if you can find other disabled students on campus to talk to,
> preferably blind ones but any should be able to provide some insight
> into how good or bad the DS office is with response to problems,
> working with professors, etc.
>
> Remember that a lot of the advocacy is going to come from you first.
> I know you've probably heard it a million times, but the DSS rarely
> gets involved unless the professor goes to them directly to sort out
> an issue, or there is some problem and after unsuccessfully advocating
> for yourself you ask them to step in and back you up.
>
> Some DS offices are awesome; mine has really gone above and beyond for
> me, and while I don't use them often aside from getting my books and
> materials they've always been willing to help read something, or help
> me find something on campus if it's a location I've never had to go to
> before but need to for a class.  The nice thing about student workers
> in a DS department is that they are often able to do these things
> because there are enough of them working at a time that work doesn't
> stop.
>
> On 12/30/14, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I go to Arizona State and they have computers with JAWS, MAGic in several
>> labs, libraries and in the high tech center in disabled student services.
>> The will make tactile diagrams of things if needed. They offered to make
>> me
>> some for Circuits. They also have a braille printer and braille displays
>> on
>> some computers. So it seems there are really various levels of what is
>> available and what is provided. They have an entire alternative format
>> department to handle text books. I get electronic and if requested I can
>> get large print. I prefer they get the pdf's from the publisher because
>> they are better quality than scanned for reading with zoomtext.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> These are some good additional questions.  The only other thing I think
>>> is
>>> important is to find out how they get your books.  Do they request
>>> publisher files?  If publisher files are not available--they aren't for
>>> trade books, which is most of what you'll be reading in upper level
>>> classes
>>> and in things like English classes--does the office scan books for you?
>>> Do
>>> they have someone proofread the things they scan if they scan them?  By
>>> the
>>> way, you almost certainly won't be getting books in braille at all, and
>>> if
>>> you do they'll be embossed.  Almost all colleges will give them to you
>>> electronically, which actually is more efficient.  Neither of the
>>> schools
>>> I've gone to (they were both public) had the capability to produce
>>> things
>>> in braille.  As for adaptive technology, most schools will have a
>>> computer
>>> in the library with Jaws and maybe one or two more, but of course you'll
>>> have to provide your own personal computer and notetaker etc.  You might
>>> also want to talk to them and try to figure out indirectly if dss tries
>>> to
>>> control the classes disabled students take.  I've heard horror stories
>>> from
>>> friends at some schools where dss basically exempts blind students from
>>> taking certain classes, such as basic math, because they don't want to
>>> provide the accommodations that would be necessary.  You probably also
>>> want
>>> to talk about how accommodations for lab science classes work.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Karl
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: NMPBRAT--- via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: alpineimagination at gmail.com, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:03:32 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disability services in college
>>>
>>> Vejas,
>>> Here are a few other suggestions for  questions:
>>> 1) How many people work for the DSS?
>>> 2) What days and hours are the DSS open?
>>> 3) What accommodations are available to me, including testing
>>> accommodations?  What is the process for requesting those
>>> accommodations?
>>> 4) How willing do professors seem to be when working with the  DSS
>>> office?
>>> (note: if you know what degree you are majoring in, you can be  specific
>>> to
>>> that particular group of professors)
>>> 5) Who do I talk to and what is the process in dealing with  issues that
>>> arise in a particular class or with a particular  professor?
>>> 6) What percentage of students that your office services are  blind or
>>> visually impaired?
>>> 7) What resources, if any, do you work with outside of your  office?
>>>
>>> Just some thoughts!  Good luck!
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 12/29/2014 5:51:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org writes:
>>>
>>> Hi  All,
>>> I am going to be meeting soon with the disability services of my
>>> schools and have some questions/want some insight.
>>> How do you know how  good a DSS program is? (Of my three colleges,
>>> one is a Cal State and two  are private, so the privates may not
>>> have very good services).
>>> If the  DSS is poor but you like the college for all other
>>> reasons, is this a big  enough reason not to attend that college?
>>> Also, I'd really like your ideas  on questions I could ask DSS.  I
>>> already have 5, which I'll paste  below my name, and I would
>>> really appreciate if you could add some more or  change any of the
>>> above.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Vejas
>>> Questions to Ask  DSS
>>> 1.  How quickly is the turnaround time for Braille  materials?
>>> 2.  Is there a Braille transcriber/braillist on campus, or  is
>>> everything just going to be embossed?
>>> 3.  Is there anyone on  campus who can create raised diagrams for
>>> subjects such as chemistry and  mathematics?
>>> 4.  What kind of adaptive technology is offered at the  school?
>>> 5.  Should anything go wrong with my hearing aids, is there
>>> anyone who can help with  them?
>>>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 21:05:16 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:05:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] disability services in college
Message-ID: <54a4653a.470ee00a.7f9c.fffff6ac@mx.google.com>

Hi I waited until after I was accepted to UCF to register with 
Student Disability Services.  At this meeting my counselor and I 
discussed the accommodations that would be appropriate for me in 
each of my classes.  I have the option to change any of my 
accommedations at any time.


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Wed Dec 31 21:35:50 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:35:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy new year all!
Message-ID: <0NHG00GLOUNYQZ40@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

With only about 8 hours left (in my time) until the new year, I 
just want to wish everyone on this list a happy new year.  
Particularly for the list, let's hope that this next year brings 
some great discussions, and that we will strive for greater 
excellence in high school and or college.

What do you and your family tradditionally do to celebrate the 
new year? In mine, we usually get my relatives from France on 
Skype to wish them a happy new year and then go out to a 
restaurant for dinner.  We talk to my family  around 6 o'clock, 
as France is 6 hours ahead of the time here in New York (Eastern 
Standard) so it would be midnight in France.  For the past 2 
years, one of my uncles (also from France) and his family have 
come up here to New York and rented an apartment for the 
holidays.  We have had dinner with them at their apartment.

Looking forward to the upcoming year, and let's hope again that 
it will be filled with joy and excitement.

Thanks,

Sami.


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Wed Dec 31 21:40:56 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:40:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy new year all!
In-Reply-To: <0NHG00GLOUNYQZ40@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NHG00GLOUNYQZ40@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP1823314FD50562B84105496CE5F0@phx.gbl>

We don't really have any huge traditions here either and I would love to wish you and your family from my friends a happy new year.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Dec 31, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> With only about 8 hours left (in my time) until the new year, I just want to wish everyone on this list a happy new year.  Particularly for the list, let's hope that this next year brings some great discussions, and that we will strive for greater excellence in high school and or college.
> 
> What do you and your family tradditionally do to celebrate the new year? In mine, we usually get my relatives from France on Skype to wish them a happy new year and then go out to a restaurant for dinner.  We talk to my family  around 6 o'clock, as France is 6 hours ahead of the time here in New York (Eastern Standard) so it would be midnight in France.  For the past 2 years, one of my uncles (also from France) and his family have come up here to New York and rented an apartment for the holidays.  We have had dinner with them at their apartment.
> 
> Looking forward to the upcoming year, and let's hope again that it will be filled with joy and excitement.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 23:06:48 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:06:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] disability services in college
Message-ID: <54a4818f.0993320a.42ae.fffff2f3@mx.google.com>

I would definitely suggest talking to dss offices before you 
apply.  Maybe if you're thinking about applying to places far 
from where you live it isn't worth it to go through the expense 
of traveling their just for that until you've been accepted, but 
definitely if they're local schools I would do it.  As for 
getting exempted from math, I think it's important as a blind 
person to get the same education everyone else does.  Employers 
will expect it as will grad school if you intend on going there.  
Partially it's also that I refuse to let people tell me that I 
can't do things because I'm blind when I actually can.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>, National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:29:10 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disability services in college

Hi,
Thank you all so much for your answers. I just wanted to clarify 
something.
Did you wait until you were for sure going to be accepted into 
the
college before having the meetings? I'm still waiting to see if I 
will
be accepted.
Also, Karl, you mentioned that sometimes DSS will exempt someone 
from
taking a class because they don't want to make the diagrams. Is 
it
worth fighting for that even if it's a class you don't want to 
take?
For example, I might have to take math for one year but I want to 
be
an English major. So is it worth fighting for even if it's just a
general ed class that you don't care to take anyway? Or should 
you
still fight for a class that you don't want to take because your
sighted peers are taking it?
I would really appreciate oppiinions on this.
Thanks,
Vejas


On 12/30/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi, Vejas and all,

 First off, don't discount private colleges.  I toured several 
private
 and public colleges before choosing the school I attend now, 
which is
 private and has a pretty awesome DS office and staff.  One thing 
that
 I really like that my DS office does is that it employs students 
to do
 much of the book scanning, edits, and stuff in addition to 
answering
 phones and some basic emails that aren't specifically for a 
staff
 member.  This is great, because if I have a simple worksheet or 
a
 packet of information I need to read for class, I can just give 
it to
 a student worker and have them email it to me once they're done 
rather
 than waiting for a DS coordinator to be free from meetings or 
other
 stuff.  I would ask if such a system is in place, and if so I 
would
 plan to try to get to know the students who work there a bit.  I 
know
 the girl who edits most of my books and she's an English major, 
so in
 addition to being already detail oriented, I think that knowing 
who
 the book is going to might help with making sure that it's
 well-proofread.  (She's also been very nice and bumped papers up 
in
 the cue for me if professors give them to me late so I could 
still
 turn work in on time).

 As mentioned, you'll probably not get a lot in braille.  So far 
I've
 only gotten my math stuff and some science diagrams in braille, 
and
 everything else has been electronic.  I'm a stickler for braille 
as
 much as the next guy, but having almost everything electronic 
really
 helps, and cuts down on your load.  If you thought carrying a 
bunch of
 books was hard in high school, you certainly won't want to lug 
braille
 volumes around a college campus.

 I'd ask to see a testing room if you can, and to meet some of 
the
 other staff members.  Your meetings will probably consist 
largely of
 your DS coordinator reciting some basic shpeel about 
accommodations,
 the ADA, etc, but it's the questions you ask and the other 
people you
 meet who will help you decide which DS office is the best fit 
for you.

 Additional Questions:
 1.  Do you have an assistive technology specialist on staff?  If 
so,
 can I meet them?  If not, are there any plans to bring one on 
staff in
 the foreseeable future?
 2.  Are there any assistive technologies I can loan/borrow for
 academic or assistive purposes should I need them?  (My college 
does
 this, and just requires me to sign a release stating that I'll 
pay for
 any damage or loss to the device if something happens while I 
have it.
 I also have to return it by an agreed deadline, but borrowing a 
Focus
 40 sure beats having to buy one).
 3.  Do you offer any training on assistive technology devices?  
(Again
 with the focus 40, I was able to get a quick half hour session 
with
 the assistive technology specialist without leaving campus).
 4.  What are the standard accommodations a blind person would 
receive?
  Just see what they tell you at a glance.  You should at the 
least be
 guaranteed extended time on tests (usually double time), 
assistive
 technology on tests and for use in the classroom, text 
descriptions of
 pictures or videos shown in class, volunteer notetaker (if you 
want
 it), a reader (if needed), distraction-reduced environments for 
test,
 alternative formats for books and class materials (including 
books),
 and a scribe for tests (if needed).  I would also see if they 
have a
 policy about electronic submissions.  Most colleges don't, but 
it
 might be something to ask about.  I had a professor who did not 
want
 to accept assignments attached to emails, and I was able to get
 electronic submission to be a reasonable accommodation because 
print
 papers create organizational nightmares for me.
 5.  See if you can find other disabled students on campus to 
talk to,
 preferably blind ones but any should be able to provide some 
insight
 into how good or bad the DS office is with response to problems,
 working with professors, etc.

 Remember that a lot of the advocacy is going to come from you 
first.
 I know you've probably heard it a million times, but the DSS 
rarely
 gets involved unless the professor goes to them directly to sort 
out
 an issue, or there is some problem and after unsuccessfully 
advocating
 for yourself you ask them to step in and back you up.

 Some DS offices are awesome; mine has really gone above and 
beyond for
 me, and while I don't use them often aside from getting my books 
and
 materials they've always been willing to help read something, or 
help
 me find something on campus if it's a location I've never had to 
go to
 before but need to for a class.  The nice thing about student 
workers
 in a DS department is that they are often able to do these 
things
 because there are enough of them working at a time that work 
doesn't
 stop.

 On 12/30/14, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 I go to Arizona State and they have computers with JAWS, MAGic 
in several
 labs, libraries and in the high tech center in disabled student 
services.
 The will make tactile diagrams of things if needed. They offered 
to make
 me
 some for Circuits. They also have a braille printer and braille 
displays
 on
 some computers. So it seems there are really various levels of 
what is
 available and what is provided. They have an entire alternative 
format
 department to handle text books. I get electronic and if 
requested I can
 get large print. I prefer they get the pdf's from the publisher 
because
 they are better quality than scanned for reading with zoomtext.

 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <
 nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 These are some good additional questions.  The only other thing 
I think
 is
 important is to find out how they get your books.  Do they 
request
 publisher files?  If publisher files are not available--they 
aren't for
 trade books, which is most of what you'll be reading in upper 
level
 classes
 and in things like English classes--does the office scan books 
for you?
 Do
 they have someone proofread the things they scan if they scan 
them?  By
 the
 way, you almost certainly won't be getting books in braille at 
all, and
 if
 you do they'll be embossed.  Almost all colleges will give them 
to you
 electronically, which actually is more efficient.  Neither of 
the
 schools
 I've gone to (they were both public) had the capability to 
produce
 things
 in braille.  As for adaptive technology, most schools will have 
a
 computer
 in the library with Jaws and maybe one or two more, but of 
course you'll
 have to provide your own personal computer and notetaker etc.  
You might
 also want to talk to them and try to figure out indirectly if 
dss tries
 to
 control the classes disabled students take.  I've heard horror 
stories
 from
 friends at some schools where dss basically exempts blind 
students from
 taking certain classes, such as basic math, because they don't 
want to
 provide the accommodations that would be necessary.  You 
probably also
 want
 to talk about how accommodations for lab science classes work.

 Best,
 Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: NMPBRAT--- via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: alpineimagination at gmail.com, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:03:32 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disability services in college

 Vejas,
 Here are a few other suggestions for  questions:
 1) How many people work for the DSS?
 2) What days and hours are the DSS open?
 3) What accommodations are available to me, including testing
 accommodations?  What is the process for requesting those
 accommodations?
 4) How willing do professors seem to be when working with the  
DSS
 office?
 (note: if you know what degree you are majoring in, you can be  
specific
 to
 that particular group of professors)
 5) Who do I talk to and what is the process in dealing with  
issues that
 arise in a particular class or with a particular  professor?
 6) What percentage of students that your office services are  
blind or
 visually impaired?
 7) What resources, if any, do you work with outside of your  
office?

 Just some thoughts!  Good luck!

 Nicole


 In a message dated 12/29/2014 5:51:16 P.M. Eastern Standard 
Time,
 nabs-l at nfbnet.org writes:

 Hi  All,
 I am going to be meeting soon with the disability services of my
 schools and have some questions/want some insight.
 How do you know how  good a DSS program is? (Of my three 
colleges,
 one is a Cal State and two  are private, so the privates may not
 have very good services).
 If the  DSS is poor but you like the college for all other
 reasons, is this a big  enough reason not to attend that 
college?
 Also, I'd really like your ideas  on questions I could ask DSS.  
I
 already have 5, which I'll paste  below my name, and I would
 really appreciate if you could add some more or  change any of 
the
 above.
 Thanks.
 Vejas
 Questions to Ask  DSS
 1.  How quickly is the turnaround time for Braille  materials?
 2.  Is there a Braille transcriber/braillist on campus, or  is
 everything just going to be embossed?
 3.  Is there anyone on  campus who can create raised diagrams 
for
 subjects such as chemistry and  mathematics?
 4.  What kind of adaptive technology is offered at the  school?
 5.  Should anything go wrong with my hearing aids, is there
 anyone who can help with  them?

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