From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 00:14:54 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 18:14:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] looking for a summer job Message-ID: <52ec3c99.e27c320a.2569.4de8@mx.google.com> Hey NABS people, I'm seventeen and a junior in high school. Since I'm not going to any blindness training camp this summer, I decided I'd look for a job, volunteer or paid doesn't matter. I honestly have no idea what I want to do or how to go about finding a job. The only work experience I had was last year at STEP when the director of LCB found the job for me. How does one go about finding summer jobs? Wht kind of summer jobs are accessible to blind teenagers? Any input is appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help! Yours sincerely, Sophie From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 1 00:32:22 2014 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:32:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TEACH ACT PETITION UPDATE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <431BBCF5-4B40-4275-95F2-D193AE78B8B1@yahoo.com> I signed it and shared the link! Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Jan 31, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > > Dear all, > First, thanks to everyone who has taken a minute to read, sign and > share the petition. A week later we are at 23,775 signatures. But > that's still not enough. We want the impact and information to reach > as far and wide as possible. > Below find the updated URL, which is much shorter, and should make it > easier to share. If you have not done so already, sign it, and > continue to share it on social media. > Thank you, and continue to contact me with any questions, and lets > teach them a lesson. > Thanks! > > http://www.change.org/teachact > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." > -- > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 00:41:04 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:41:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TEACH ACT PETITION UPDATE In-Reply-To: <431BBCF5-4B40-4275-95F2-D193AE78B8B1@yahoo.com> References: <431BBCF5-4B40-4275-95F2-D193AE78B8B1@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <782D24CEC82A4D96A776E8979D8C4928@Helga> Hi Guys, How are you all? I also sign the petition! I actually sign it! last week!! Please sign the petition! And keep spreading the word! Thanks and God bless you! all! :) -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi Pompey Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 7:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] TEACH ACT PETITION UPDATE I signed it and shared the link! Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Jan 31, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > > Dear all, > First, thanks to everyone who has taken a minute to read, sign and > share the petition. A week later we are at 23,775 signatures. But > that's still not enough. We want the impact and information to reach > as far and wide as possible. > Below find the updated URL, which is much shorter, and should make it > easier to share. If you have not done so already, sign it, and > continue to share it on social media. > Thank you, and continue to contact me with any questions, and lets > teach them a lesson. > Thanks! > > http://www.change.org/teachact > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." > -- > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 01:45:58 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 20:45:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Federal Budget Analysis Tables Message-ID: <2E8FF326E39D4799A9262C0900CCA1E8@Helga> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you all? Remember when I told you that I needed to read 6 Federal Budget Analysis Tables for an assignment for my Government class? And these table charts are in PDF, and I actually sent it to convert-robobraille.org in order to convert my Table charts in Ms word format, but it didn’t work. And in the subject line I actually put convert wiht out quotes. And robo Braille never send it back to me. I don’t know if I’m doing something wrong! I actually never use robo Braille before. So in the end for my Government class assignment, my dad red me the Federal Budget Analysis Tables Charts, and I did my assignment with his help. I just wanted to ask you, would it be possible for you to convert my Federal Budget Analysis Tables Charts in Ms word by using Robo Braille? Just to let you know, the PDF file of the Charts is attach in this email. I will really appreciat it a lot if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this, since I’m probably going to use the charts for the final exam that is going to be on the end of this semester. hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! P.S. I forgot to ask you, if you can, could you teach me how to use Robo Braille since I never use it before? Thanks again! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-winkingsmile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1135 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope this information helps you -------------------------------------------------- From: "Lillie Pennington" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:36 PM To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: [nabs-l] a college/career question > Hello All, > > > > I was looking up some information for a completely unrelated information > on > google and stumbled on a description of the health science major offered > at > some colleges. I read this description and became interested in possibly > pursuing this idea further after some thought. > > I am pondering doing a double major in health science and sociology. I > need > to look into the sociology further, but it seems that understanding > society > and related fields will be important, and this field seems interesting to > me. Plus, doing a double major is something I have been strongly > interested > in. I am pondering going for minors in at least psychology. After this, I > am > thinking of getting a masters in nursing so I can teach/do administrative > work/do another sort of nursing career. So. Has anyone studied one/both of > these majors, and has anyone done a masters in nursing? I will look on the > national organization of nurses with disabilities website to find out more > information in the meantime. > > Thanks > > Lillie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From lissa1531 at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 05:09:11 2014 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 22:09:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification References: <000601cf1e26$bac69240$3053b6c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5AF82CE35856462BBE5DA46B318579DA@HP30910210001> I had to get certified in first aide and cpr for my degree in special ed. many times people feel that if you are blind go work with the blind. I also took a job at a camp for children and adults with disabilities. You learn how to assess your surroundings and when they are getting agetated and how to deal with it. There were totally blind people that could throw a punch and sighted people missed it. I believe the educators list, and the professionals in blindness list are both very helpful and are on NFBnet. I agree with arielle, there are many children who are blind at a school for the blind who also have other disabilities. So you may still have to duck punches. Even as an Itinerant teacher of the blind. best wishes, Sincerely, Melissa R Green "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: "'NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS'" Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:49 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification Hello, There's a student in Texas who is having difficulty obtaining a certification in special education. The student has been told they would be better off pursuing a second Master's to become a vision itinerant teacher or using the credentials they have to be a counselor in the state's vocational rehabilitation agency. The student would rather work with general special ed, specifically elementary-age students with behavioral disorders. Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns about making special accommodations and the student's independent ability to make certain observations. Now, I have zero experience in education, special or otherwise. Are there people here who have, or are, pursuing this type of career path who could pass along some tips for success? The student is a hard-working 4.0 GPA achiever. It seems generally and legally incorrect that placements in general special education classes suddenly disappear when the student informs the coordinators they are blind. Further, the student should not be sent to a state school for the blind by default just because the student is blind. Any thoughts, advice and referrals would be welcomed. Thanks in advance. -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 05:48:33 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 00:48:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification In-Reply-To: <5AF82CE35856462BBE5DA46B318579DA@HP30910210001> References: <000601cf1e26$bac69240$3053b6c0$@gmail.com> <5AF82CE35856462BBE5DA46B318579DA@HP30910210001> Message-ID: <000101cf1f11$3ed0a540$bc71efc0$@gmail.com> Boy, this is getting dangerous. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of melissa Green Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 12:09 AM To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification I had to get certified in first aide and cpr for my degree in special ed. many times people feel that if you are blind go work with the blind. I also took a job at a camp for children and adults with disabilities. You learn how to assess your surroundings and when they are getting agetated and how to deal with it. There were totally blind people that could throw a punch and sighted people missed it. I believe the educators list, and the professionals in blindness list are both very helpful and are on NFBnet. I agree with arielle, there are many children who are blind at a school for the blind who also have other disabilities. So you may still have to duck punches. Even as an Itinerant teacher of the blind. best wishes, Sincerely, Melissa R Green "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" To: "'NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS'" Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 6:49 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification Hello, There's a student in Texas who is having difficulty obtaining a certification in special education. The student has been told they would be better off pursuing a second Master's to become a vision itinerant teacher or using the credentials they have to be a counselor in the state's vocational rehabilitation agency. The student would rather work with general special ed, specifically elementary-age students with behavioral disorders. Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns about making special accommodations and the student's independent ability to make certain observations. Now, I have zero experience in education, special or otherwise. Are there people here who have, or are, pursuing this type of career path who could pass along some tips for success? The student is a hard-working 4.0 GPA achiever. It seems generally and legally incorrect that placements in general special education classes suddenly disappear when the student informs the coordinators they are blind. Further, the student should not be sent to a state school for the blind by default just because the student is blind. Any thoughts, advice and referrals would be welcomed. Thanks in advance. -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From jennifer.dunnam1829 at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 05:50:56 2014 From: jennifer.dunnam1829 at gmail.com (Jennifer Dunnam) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 23:50:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfbmn-news] Buddy Program job openings Message-ID: The following comes from Charlene Guggisberg, Coordinator for Youth and Special Programs at BLIND, Incorporated: Buddy Counselor Dates: July 8, 2014 through August 8, 2014 We at BLIND, Incorporated are seeking dynamic, enthusiastic individuals to work as counselors in our Buddy Program. This program serves children ages 9-13. Applicants must be able to serve as role models, and understand and share our positive philosophy regarding blindness. These individuals must be skilled in the non-visual alternative techniques of blindness that we teach at our training center. While being a graduate of an NFB center is not a requirement, they should have the same level of skill, self-confidence, and independence that we expect from our graduates. Required Skills: • enjoy working with children • be able to communicate effectively with co-workers and supervisor • possess patience and the ability to work as part of a team • enjoy teaching • Ability to read and write Braille • proficiency in using word processing, spreadsheets, , the internet, and email using either the JAWS, Voiceover, or Window-Eyes screen readers • Ability to write clear and concise reports on student progress Note: All applicants must pass a background check. For more information, contact Charlene Guggisberg, Youth & Special Programs Coordinator, at 1-800-597-9558 ext. 251 or email a cover letter and resume to cguggisberg at blindinc.org. _______________________________________________ Nfbmn-news mailing list Nfbmn-news at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbmn-news_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nfbmn-news: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbmn-news_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Required Skills: • enjoy working with children • be able to communicate effectively with co-workers and supervisor • possess patience and the ability to work as part of a team • enjoy teaching • Ability to read and write Braille • proficiency in using word processing, spreadsheets, , the internet, and email using either the JAWS, Voiceover, or Window-Eyes screen readers • Ability to write clear and concise reports on student progress Note: All applicants must pass a background check. 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Our goal is to have the first installment to the 2014 NABS Bulletin out by Feb. 9, so please send me your state updates no later than Feb. 5 to be included. > If you have any other questions about the update, or about the communications committee in general, please feel free to email Bre Brown or me off-list. > Looking forward to hearing about all the exciting things our state student divisions are doing! > > ...Gabe > > Gabe Cazares > Phone: 281-965-9583 > Twitter: @gmcazares > “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr From opensesame at me.com Sat Feb 1 09:30:27 2014 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 04:30:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Quizlet In-Reply-To: <261B54F8-9594-4FEC-9C50-CAF07EF87913@gmail.com> References: <261B54F8-9594-4FEC-9C50-CAF07EF87913@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello CHris, If the Quizlet App does not meet your requirements, I’d strongly urge you to check out the Flashcards++ IOS App. This App was developed by a student of languages and has some excellent features designed specifically to aid in studying languages. Also, you can link to Quizlet from within the App in order to browse and download card sets. When I returned to college a few years ago, I evaluated a number of IOS flashcard apps and found this one to be both very accessible and very feature-rich. The Developer, Jason Lustig, has been very quick to respond to questions and he even added a few requested VO-specific features.. Note that the name of this App has two plus (+) symbols on the end. The free version of the App offers limited features and a limited number of cards. The paid version, which now works via an in-app subscription purchase, costs about $1 U.S. per month. Here’s a link to the App in the US iTunes Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/flashcards++/id378786877?mt=8 HTH, Bryan On Jan 31, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Has anyone had experience with the Quizlet flash card app for iOS? If so, what is the status of its accessibility? This was recommended to me by my Spanish teacher as a way to create electronic flash cards for vocabulary. Thanks in advance, as always, for any information you can provide. From carlymih at comcast.net Sat Feb 1 13:51:50 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 05:51:50 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] ideas on how to accomplish daily living skills Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140201054951.01eff318@comcast.net> Good morning, Beth, Blind people although often we are sort of strapped for cash, ought to have nice nails. Lay off poor Blake. After all, you get to look at 'em. /And good on BBlake for knowing how to look pretty for his woan! for today, Car 408-209-3239 At 06:58 PM 12/28/2013, Beth Taurasi wrote: >Hey Kelsey, >Oh, that reminds me, my boyffriend should learn to do his own nails, >fingers more so than toew. I personally do my own toenails >sometimes, but they fall off more naturally than fingers. I wish I >could do nail polish, but alas, color is the key. Nail polish to me >is whuat my friend Jason calls "eye candy." If you want scented >nail glitter, by all means, that should be fun. But as far as nail >clippers, I have a nail kit with nail clippers and guess whuat? I >apply them to nails, but Blake, my boyfriend, is a bit insecure with >that so he gets his fingers and toes professionally done. I'm not >happy with that since if we marry, the cost of his manicures and >pedicures monthly will add up in to the budget. So I want him to do >his own fingernails, toenails too. You just had me thinking about >that, Kelsey. Thanks. >Beth >P.S. Makeup is great, but I've been told I look great without it. >Wow. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Kelsey Nicolay To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Date sent: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 20:09:31 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] ideas on how to accomplish daily living skills > >Hello, >This may seem a little off topic for this list, but I would like >to know your thoughts. I like to wear nail polish, but I have >been told by my chosen beauty salon that there is no way someone >who is to otally blind can apply their own nail polish. I get >manicures a lot, so I asked the person who does my nails whether >she thinks I could apply my own polish. She pretty much said no. >I kind of think she's wrong, there has to be some way to do it. >What do you think? Can someone who is totally blind apply their >own nail polish and if so, how would you go about doing it? >Removing it can be done since you can feel the difference in >texture from the polish to the actual nail. What about applying >makeup independently? I am in a choir that we have to get dressed >up for the concert which means wearing makeup. My mom still does >it for me, but at some point, I'd like to be able to do my own >makeup. I have a friend who is blind and she has been doing her >own makeup for years. One of my friends from college was going >to give me a makeup lesson, but we never got around to it. >Finally, what about using nail cleappers? My dad cuts my nails >for me but he feels a little insecuoe about letting me handle the >clippers alone. I know an nfb article covered this, but it >didn't really help. I would be interested to hear your opinions >on how to accomplish these tasks. >Thanks, > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen11 >07%40comcast.net > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From jsoro620 at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 16:49:04 2014 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 11:49:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Disability Scholarship Message-ID: <00c001cf1f6d$852a4530$8f7ecf90$@gmail.com> Microsoft disability scholarship Scholarship Description The mission of DisAbility Scholarship at Microsoft is to empower and enable high schools students with disabilities to (a) go to college, (b) realize the impact technology has on the world, and (c) target a career in the technology industry. A primary goal of this scholarship is to increase the pool of persons living with a disability enrolling in higher education and, in long term, decrease the unemployment bias for this demographic. This scholarship will identify promising high school seniors who have potential to enter and successfully complete a vocational or academic college program and have a financial need. The amount of this non-renewable scholarship to be awarded is $5,000, which is paid through the Seattle Foundation on behalf of the disAbility Employee Resource Group (ERG) at Microsoft to the recipient’s school’s Financial Aid Office. All candidates must be high school students living with a disability who plan to attend a 2 to 4 year University or College program, maintain a cumulative 3.0 CPA or equivalent and have declared a major from the approved list (see scholarship guidelines on application) . Requirements To be considered for the Microsoft DisAbility Scholarship, you must: To apply for the Microsoft DisAbility Scholarship, the student must meet the following guidelines: list of 8 items • Be a current high school senior with living with a disability (as defined by WHO), whether that be visual, hearing, mobility, cognitive or speech. • Plan to attend an undergraduate program in a 2 or 4-year University/College or Technical College in the fall of the academic year following high-school graduation. Schools must be in the USA or have a USA-Affiliate for financial transactions (contact Seattle Foundation to verify non-USA school’s eligibility). • Declare a major in engineering, computer science, computer information systems, legal or in business that are approved (ie. paralegal, pre-law, finance, business administration, or marketing). • Demonstrate a passion for technology. • Demonstrate leadership at school and/or in the community. • Have a high school cumulative GPA of 3.0 or higher. • Require financial assistance to attend college. • Enrollment status must be full-time or half time. list end How to Apply To apply for a Microsoft DisAbility Scholarship, print and fill out the application. Enclose it in an envelope with the following items: Résumé.Your résumé should include the following information: list of 3 items • Extracurricular activities (school and community related) • Honors and awards that you have received (if possible, include awards that are technology related) • Work experience list end Picture of yourself. Transcript. Include an official "sealed" copy of your current academic transcript. (If selected, unofficial copies will not be accepted.) Three essays. list of 3 items • In no more than 500 words, describe how you plan to be engaged in the technology industry in your career. • In no more than 500 words, please share your vision of how Microsoft can innovate its future devices and services solutions to creatively & successfully support those living with disabilities in the workplace and in daily life to reach their potential. • In no more than 250 words, demonstrate your financial need for this scholarship. list end Two letters of recommendation. At least one letter must be from a faculty or staff member at your school. Letters of recommendation should be original and should not be duplicates of college recommendation letters. (Letters must be on letterhead.) Complete Application Form Fill out the entire Application Form at the end of this page. You can type the information or print clearly. When you are done, print Sections I and II of the Application Form and make sure that you sign and date the verification on the 4th page. Mail completed applications to the following address by March 15th. Selection will be complete, and those selected to receive the Microsoft DisAbility Scholarship will be notified by April 15th. The Seattle Foundation c/o Microsoft DisAbility Scholarship 1200 – 5th Avenue, Suite 1300 Seattle, WA 98101 scholarships at seattlefoundation.org Download the Microsoft DisAbility Scholarship application (Microsoft Word document, 144 KB) URL: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/diversity/programs/microsoftdisabilityscholar ship.aspx -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Feb 1 17:43:37 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 12:43:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Quizlet In-Reply-To: References: <261B54F8-9594-4FEC-9C50-CAF07EF87913@gmail.com> Message-ID: <75EC0755C2EB45F1ACF565D2D36B6BE4@OwnerPC> what do you use the quizlet ap and flash card ++ ios ap for? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Jones Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 4:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Quizlet Hello CHris, If the Quizlet App does not meet your requirements, I’d strongly urge you to check out the Flashcards++ IOS App. This App was developed by a student of languages and has some excellent features designed specifically to aid in studying languages. Also, you can link to Quizlet from within the App in order to browse and download card sets. When I returned to college a few years ago, I evaluated a number of IOS flashcard apps and found this one to be both very accessible and very feature-rich. The Developer, Jason Lustig, has been very quick to respond to questions and he even added a few requested VO-specific features.. Note that the name of this App has two plus (+) symbols on the end. The free version of the App offers limited features and a limited number of cards. The paid version, which now works via an in-app subscription purchase, costs about $1 U.S. per month. Here’s a link to the App in the US iTunes Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/flashcards++/id378786877?mt=8 HTH, Bryan On Jan 31, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Has anyone had experience with the Quizlet flash card app for iOS? If so, > what is the status of its accessibility? This was recommended to me by my > Spanish teacher as a way to create electronic flash cards for vocabulary. > Thanks in advance, as always, for any information you can provide. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Feb 1 19:54:31 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 14:54:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Quizlet Message-ID: <52ed5129.4d5b8c0a.6550.2d06@mx.google.com> Helga, The app is called Quizlet and it is free. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan, Thank=20you=20very=20much=20for=20this=20suggestion.=20=20I=20will=20try=20= this=20app=20if=20 Quizlet=20doesn't=20work.=20=20By=20the=20way,=20is=20this=20Flashkards=20P= lus=20Plus=20 app=20mainstream=20or=20blindness-specific? Chris =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Bryan=20Jones=20=20wrote: =20Has=20anyone=20had=20experience=20with=20the=20Quizlet=20flash=20card=20= app=20for=20 iOS?=20If=20so,=20what=20is=20the=20status=20of=20its=20accessibility?=20Th= is=20was=20 recommended=20to=20me=20by=20my=20Spanish=20teacher=20as=20a=20way=20to=20c= reate=20 electronic=20flash=20cards=20for=20vocabulary.=20=20Thanks=20in=20advance,= =20as=20 always,=20for=20any=20information=20you=20can=20provide. _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From opensesame at me.com Sun Feb 2 18:56:34 2014 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 13:56:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Quizlet In-Reply-To: <52ed9683.89298c0a.160a.59f8@mx.google.com> References: <52ed9683.89298c0a.160a.59f8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7F9867C9-AA2C-4A5E-BED8-02C49EF8BC37@me.com> Hello CHris, Flashcards++ is mainstream. HTH, Bryan On Feb 1, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: is this Flashkards Plus Plus app mainstream or blindness-specific? From opensesame at me.com Sun Feb 2 19:29:22 2014 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 14:29:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Quizlet In-Reply-To: <75EC0755C2EB45F1ACF565D2D36B6BE4@OwnerPC> References: <261B54F8-9594-4FEC-9C50-CAF07EF87913@gmail.com> <75EC0755C2EB45F1ACF565D2D36B6BE4@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hello Ashley, I have used the Flashcards++ App extensively to help me study various subjects in and out of school. If you are not familiar with the concept of a flashcard, a quick Google will define it for you, but in general the visual version usually consists of a 3x5 index card with a known written on one side and the unknown written on the other side. FOr example: 1. A question on one side and the answer to that question on the other side. 2. A word on one side and the definition of that word on the other side. 3. A word or phrase in one language on one side and the corresponding word or phrase in another language on the other side. 4. A math problem on one side and the solution on the other side. Etc, etc. When i was sighted I would often create sets of paper flashcards consisting of lists of things I needed to study, and I would carry these sets of cards with me and go through them in my spare time. Flashcard Apps attempt to duplicate the basic function of paper flashcards, and some of the Apps add more functionality. For example, the Flashcards++ App uses some sort of algorithm to determine which cards you are struggling with, and it can modify the order and number of repetitions for certain cards to help you learn them. If you are studying a language, you have the option to use the IOS language rotor to properly pronounce words and phrases, and with some languages you can also hear spoken words and phrases via an Internet connection. While I haven’t tried the native Quizlet App, I have used the Flashcards++ App to import sets of flashcards from Quizlet. Sometimes it is possible to find the vocab lists and highlighted terms from chapters in a particular textbook you might be using, and Quizlet is full of card sets on all sorts of topics. HTH, Bryan On Feb 1, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > what do you use the quizlet ap and flash card ++ ios ap for? From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 00:12:19 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 19:12:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] a college/career question In-Reply-To: References: <00ba01cf1bda$2119c070$634d4150$@net> Message-ID: Hi Lillie and all, I would highly recommend that you find some way to intigrate bioethics studies into the majors if it is offered at the college you end up choosing at all. I know some colleges don't have very extensive philosophy departments or may not offer this course, but it will really be beneficial for you if you're going for this combination. I am taking a bioethics class this semester, and it's very interesting stuff. It really makes you consider a variety of medical issues from really complex angles at times. Also, something else to consider; if you're looking to get a masters degree in addition to the undergraduate degrees you described, try looking into what Child Life Specialists do. I'm not quite sure if you're specifically wanting to work with kids, but basically Child Life Specialists coordinate all the treatment and therapies child patients receive, while striving to make sure that the child feels as normal and comfortable as possible while they are in the hospital. They have to be very understanding of the psychological and sociological issues concerning hospitalization for children, and it sounds like it might be what you're going for. On 1/31/14, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: > Hello Lillie, > > I am slowly working towards an Associates degree in sociology and political > > science. I would be more than willing to answer any questions regarding my > sociology classes off list. One of the more interesting classes I have taken > > for this degree is a class on medical anthropology. I think pairing up a > degree in health sciences with a degree in social sciences would be a good > combination if you are looking to receive a full understanding of health > issues. > > Elizabeth > for a full understanding of health issues. > I hope this information helps you > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Lillie Pennington" > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:36 PM > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: [nabs-l] a college/career question > >> Hello All, >> >> >> >> I was looking up some information for a completely unrelated information >> on >> google and stumbled on a description of the health science major offered >> at >> some colleges. I read this description and became interested in possibly >> pursuing this idea further after some thought. >> >> I am pondering doing a double major in health science and sociology. I >> need >> to look into the sociology further, but it seems that understanding >> society >> and related fields will be important, and this field seems interesting to >> me. Plus, doing a double major is something I have been strongly >> interested >> in. I am pondering going for minors in at least psychology. After this, I >> >> am >> thinking of getting a masters in nursing so I can teach/do administrative >> work/do another sort of nursing career. So. Has anyone studied one/both >> of >> these majors, and has anyone done a masters in nursing? I will look on >> the >> national organization of nurses with disabilities website to find out >> more >> information in the meantime. >> >> Thanks >> >> Lillie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 00:17:13 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 19:17:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] looking for a summer job In-Reply-To: <52ec3c99.e27c320a.2569.4de8@mx.google.com> References: <52ec3c99.e27c320a.2569.4de8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Sophie, Here are a few suggestions that I know have worked for me or others I know. If you have any sort of agency that produces braille, perhaps they would like a braille proofreader. I know a guy who got an internship doing this for a summer and he really liked it. If you know what sort of field you want to go into in college, or at least have a few ideas, try volunteering or job shadowing someone else in that field. It is not only a way to be productive over the summer, but also a good way to find out if the career you think you want is really the right one for you, and get a little professional experience while you're at it. The last one may be a little controversial but I know it can be done. If you have any prior experience working with kids you can try babysitting or working at a daycare. Good luck! On 1/31/14, Sophie Trist wrote: > Hey NABS people, > > I'm seventeen and a junior in high school. Since I'm not going to > any blindness training camp this summer, I decided I'd look for a > job, volunteer or paid doesn't matter. I honestly have no idea > what I want to do or how to go about finding a job. The only work > experience I had was last year at STEP when the director of LCB > found the job for me. How does one go about finding summer jobs? > Wht kind of summer jobs are accessible to blind teenagers? Any > input is appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help! > > Yours sincerely, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 00:35:27 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 19:35:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] looking for a summer job In-Reply-To: References: <52ec3c99.e27c320a.2569.4de8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Sophie, I really like the ideas Kaiti suggested. It's never too early to start thinking about what kind of career you might want to pursue so take advantage of all the time you have in the summer to begin exploring your interests. Ask your teachers, your parents, your friends' parents if they would let you shadow them for a day or give you an internship in an area you're curious about for more experience. If you like kids, you could work at a day/overnight camp as a counselor. I worked as a counselor for a camp basically every summer of high school. You could also look into tutoring students in the community for free or paid. Use bulletin boards at community centers/libraries or word of mouth to advertise your services. A website that I recommend you look into while searching for internships/volunteer opportunities is idealist.org. I'm obsessed with it as it as helped me locate potential organizations that I want to work with before. Have fun and good luck finding something to do this summer. :) Cheers, Minh On 2/2/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi Sophie, > > Here are a few suggestions that I know have worked for me or others I know. > > If you have any sort of agency that produces braille, perhaps they > would like a braille proofreader. I know a guy who got an internship > doing this for a summer and he really liked it. If you know what sort > of field you want to go into in college, or at least have a few ideas, > try volunteering or job shadowing someone else in that field. It is > not only a way to be productive over the summer, but also a good way > to find out if the career you think you want is really the right one > for you, and get a little professional experience while you're at it. > The last one may be a little controversial but I know it can be done. > If you have any prior experience working with kids you can try > babysitting or working at a daycare. > > Good luck! > > On 1/31/14, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Hey NABS people, >> >> I'm seventeen and a junior in high school. Since I'm not going to >> any blindness training camp this summer, I decided I'd look for a >> job, volunteer or paid doesn't matter. I honestly have no idea >> what I want to do or how to go about finding a job. The only work >> experience I had was last year at STEP when the director of LCB >> found the job for me. How does one go about finding summer jobs? >> Wht kind of summer jobs are accessible to blind teenagers? Any >> input is appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help! >> >> Yours sincerely, >> Sophie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From lilliepennington at fuse.net Mon Feb 3 00:35:42 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 19:35:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] looking for a summer job In-Reply-To: References: <52ec3c99.e27c320a.2569.4de8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000101cf2077$dedbd660$9c938320$@net> Hi Sophie This may not put you out and about in the community, but it could be a good resume asset. Have you ever considered going into business for yourself? You could sell something you make, be a computer developer/programmer, or maybe teach or tutor something. For example, I am looking into how I can make my own Braille earrings. I can make the earrings simple enough, its just finding out how to get Braille on tiles/beads that will be the problem. Hth and let us know how the job search goes. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 7:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] looking for a summer job Hi Sophie, Here are a few suggestions that I know have worked for me or others I know. If you have any sort of agency that produces braille, perhaps they would like a braille proofreader. I know a guy who got an internship doing this for a summer and he really liked it. If you know what sort of field you want to go into in college, or at least have a few ideas, try volunteering or job shadowing someone else in that field. It is not only a way to be productive over the summer, but also a good way to find out if the career you think you want is really the right one for you, and get a little professional experience while you're at it. The last one may be a little controversial but I know it can be done. If you have any prior experience working with kids you can try babysitting or working at a daycare. Good luck! On 1/31/14, Sophie Trist wrote: > Hey NABS people, > > I'm seventeen and a junior in high school. Since I'm not going to any > blindness training camp this summer, I decided I'd look for a job, > volunteer or paid doesn't matter. I honestly have no idea what I want > to do or how to go about finding a job. The only work experience I had > was last year at STEP when the director of LCB found the job for me. > How does one go about finding summer jobs? > Wht kind of summer jobs are accessible to blind teenagers? Any input > is appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help! > > Yours sincerely, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. net From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 00:36:10 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 17:36:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] looking for a summer job In-Reply-To: References: <52ec3c99.e27c320a.2569.4de8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Another option is to sign up to tutor younger kids. You could talk to your high school guidance counselor and find out if they keep a list of teen tutors they give out to families. When I was a high school senior I did some paid tutoring that was organized through my school's honor society. Babysitting and tutoring may be especially good because those things are usually negotiated between you and the family rather than having to try to impress a big company. If you use your family and school networks to find clients, it could cut down on the risk of being denied opportunities because of blindness. People in your family and school networks will likely know you better or hear from others who can vouch for your capabilities. Arielle On 2/2/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi Sophie, > > Here are a few suggestions that I know have worked for me or others I know. > > If you have any sort of agency that produces braille, perhaps they > would like a braille proofreader. I know a guy who got an internship > doing this for a summer and he really liked it. If you know what sort > of field you want to go into in college, or at least have a few ideas, > try volunteering or job shadowing someone else in that field. It is > not only a way to be productive over the summer, but also a good way > to find out if the career you think you want is really the right one > for you, and get a little professional experience while you're at it. > The last one may be a little controversial but I know it can be done. > If you have any prior experience working with kids you can try > babysitting or working at a daycare. > > Good luck! > > On 1/31/14, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Hey NABS people, >> >> I'm seventeen and a junior in high school. Since I'm not going to >> any blindness training camp this summer, I decided I'd look for a >> job, volunteer or paid doesn't matter. I honestly have no idea >> what I want to do or how to go about finding a job. The only work >> experience I had was last year at STEP when the director of LCB >> found the job for me. How does one go about finding summer jobs? >> Wht kind of summer jobs are accessible to blind teenagers? Any >> input is appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help! >> >> Yours sincerely, >> Sophie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 02:32:33 2014 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 21:32:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Message-ID: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Hello, It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week program only and they would not let us leave the building alone because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still receive technology training? If I would, could it be more recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will they reteach me something I already know or are new students tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at these training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. Thanks, From kaybaycar at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 02:44:15 2014 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:44:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Kelsey, I have never been to a training center myself, but I have a very close friend who is at one of them right now. I think a training center might be a great idea. They work with you on cane travel, cooking, and home management along with other skills. You will still get Braille and computer instruction, but it will be more focused if they figure out that you are already proficient. Like you suggested, you can learn skills, such as learning an IPad or IPhone once you show them what you can do. I believe that the centers individualize training as much as possible. If you would like me to put you in contact with a current center student, I think my friend would be willing to talk to you about what a day at the center is like. She currently attends CCB. So feel free to email me off list. On 2/2/14, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk > about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and > still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did > attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week > program only and they would not let us leave the building alone > because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for > us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. > At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go > sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the > idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is > that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. > Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to > attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that > make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not > so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I > still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except > for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to > unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help with > that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with > using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille > note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still > receive technology training? If I would, could it be more > recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook > using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can > manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use > an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads > except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes > when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not > availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see > the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the > conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very > good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and > was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music > Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well > since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the > buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable > with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind > of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for > help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have > provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will > they reteach me something I already know or are new students > tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you > down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked > to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, > they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes or > no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was > just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but I > wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at these > training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 02:44:56 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 18:44:56 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if you have a case with Voc Rehab? i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to get there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct you to folks who can answer questions for you that I can’t. Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I’ll do my best to assist. Best, Darian On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week program only and they would not let us leave the building alone because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still receive technology training? If I would, could it be more recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will they reteach me something I already know or are new students tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at these training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 03:12:11 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:12:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Kelsey, I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you than a state center, but we can all help you with that. I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning and they set up your assignments according to your individual strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the center. For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct the problem a lot faster. Best, Arielle On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: > Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB > Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. > The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if you > have a case with Voc Rehab? > i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to get > there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct you to > folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. > Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I'll do my > best to assist. > Best, > Darian > On Feb 2, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Kelsey Nicolay > wrote: > >> Hello, >> It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about nfb >> training centers. I recently graduated college and still live at home to >> save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training program in high >> school, but it was a six week program only and they would not let us leave >> the building alone because the hall directors felt that the area was not >> safe for us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. >> At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go sighted >> guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea of >> experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I cannot dish >> out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. Is there financial aid >> available to nfb members who want to attend a training center? I am a >> member at large, so does that make a difference? I am pretty good in some >> areas but others not so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a >> strength. I still end up going sighted guide with family and friends >> except for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar >> places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have a >> pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the Internet, >> microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a notetaker. Given >> this foundation, would I still receive technology training? If I would, >> could it be more recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate >> facebook using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can >> manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use an ipad >> or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and >> I who still have basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her >> phone rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her >> because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not >> get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very >> good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and was >> salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music Braille >> abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well since that's what I >> used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons were labeled in Braille. >> However, I am not comfortable with using the stove or oven nor do I trust >> myself using any kind of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have >> to ask for help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I >> have provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will they >> reteach me something I already know or are new students tested on what >> they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you >> questions or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? >> When I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a bunch >> of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our >> profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so >> many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the programs >> offered at these training centers and how they could be of benefit to me >> now. >> Thanks, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call >> 1-855-659-9314 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From lilliepennington at fuse.net Mon Feb 3 03:32:35 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 22:32:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the Braille aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to increase that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code pretty much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music skills are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do for me. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > Hi Kelsey, > > I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have > voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're > in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you > than a state center, but we can all help you with that. > I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great > experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning > and they set up your assignments according to your individual > strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the > kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then > have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. > I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I > learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. > It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the > center. > For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel > competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills > were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I > could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings > based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a > new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the > center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a > route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since > graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct > the problem a lot faster. > > Best, > Arielle > >> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB >> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if you >> have a case with Voc Rehab? >> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to get >> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct you to >> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I'll do my >> best to assist. From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 05:17:28 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 22:17:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Lillie, For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on slate and stylus work. Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity to read some fun Braille books! Arielle On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the Braille > aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to increase > that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code pretty > much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music skills > are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do for me. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >> wrote: >> >> Hi Kelsey, >> >> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. >> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >> center. >> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I >> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a >> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct >> the problem a lot faster. >> >> Best, >> Arielle >> >>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB >>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if you >>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to get >>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct you >>> to >>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I'll do >>> my >>> best to assist. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Feb 3 05:24:34 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 00:24:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8D05B64C6FD64074B28D5A2FED52A4D2@OwnerPC> Kelsey, NFB centers offer a core set of classes and you take all of them till you test out of them. The classes are braille, cane travel, home management, technology, indust5rial arts and seminar of blindness. In braille they would tell you to learn the slate and stylus and improve your reading speed; if you have technology skills, I think they try to teach more advanced skills such as using the internet and excel. I did not attend a center, but this is what I've heard from many students. You do take all classes. Cane travel and home management are double periods, meaning 2 hours; braille and technology are one hour each. The centers offer job readiness classes, but I think this is after you test out of one class making room Ii n your schedule. Oh most importantly, the state vr agency you use should pay your training. Your vr counselor should honor your informed choice, and if she does not, you can get an nfb advocate involved. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 9:32 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Hello, It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week program only and they would not let us leave the building alone because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still receive technology training? If I would, could it be more recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will they reteach me something I already know or are new students tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at these training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. Thanks, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Mon Feb 3 08:46:29 2014 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 01:46:29 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Message-ID: I graduated from CCB, and it was a good classic traiing center, except the blind people were all allowed to do things on their own. I think it was fun though, and I met my lover at the center. I actually blossomed when I was there, so Kelsey, I can tell you a lot. Just email off list and we can talk. I'd love to talk to you. beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie McGinnity wrote: Hello, It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week program only and they would not let us leave the building alone because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still receive technology training? If I would, could it be more recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will they reteach me something I already know or are new students tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at these training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. Thanks, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40g mail.com -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen11 07%40comcast.net From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 15:47:03 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 10:47:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards Message-ID: Hi all, I've been getting a lot of business cards lately, and I anticipate I will only get more as I start doing field experience and attending more professional conferences. I always feel weird accepting business cards because knowing me, if something isn't either electronic or braille I'm going to lose it, or put it in my wallet and have no clue what it is when I get it out later. I try to take down notes in my notetaker whenever I can, but sometimes people don't understand why I want to write down their email address or something when they could just give me their business card. (It happens, even with the cane). For example, in my university library the other day I was working with a reference specialist to access some databases. I was having a lot of trouble because something eeither with Jaws, my internet explorer settings, or both is causing accessibility issues. He knew I used jaws, but at the end he was like, "Have a business card and email me so we can set up a time to fix this. My address is on the card." Has anyone come up with a good way to manage these cards, or to work around taking the cards at all in lieu of electronic notation of the information without being rude or too assertive? -- Kaiti From codyjbair at yahoo.com Mon Feb 3 15:57:43 2014 From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (codyjbair at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 15:57:43 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Business_cards?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447135.6652.bm@smtp214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> As an accounting major I have gone to many conferences where business cards are handed out. I simply take the card and run it through kerzweil later. They don’t take very long to scan and the majority of them will scan accurately. I then label the card in braille. However, I suppose you could scan them in to a word doc as well and keep an on-going professional contacts file. Thanks, Cody From: Kaiti Shelton Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎February‎ ‎3‎, ‎2014 ‎8‎:‎47‎ ‎AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Hi all, I've been getting a lot of business cards lately, and I anticipate I will only get more as I start doing field experience and attending more professional conferences. I always feel weird accepting business cards because knowing me, if something isn't either electronic or braille I'm going to lose it, or put it in my wallet and have no clue what it is when I get it out later. I try to take down notes in my notetaker whenever I can, but sometimes people don't understand why I want to write down their email address or something when they could just give me their business card. (It happens, even with the cane). For example, in my university library the other day I was working with a reference specialist to access some databases. I was having a lot of trouble because something eeither with Jaws, my internet explorer settings, or both is causing accessibility issues. He knew I used jaws, but at the end he was like, "Have a business card and email me so we can set up a time to fix this. My address is on the card." Has anyone come up with a good way to manage these cards, or to work around taking the cards at all in lieu of electronic notation of the information without being rude or too assertive? -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/codyjbair%40yahoo.com From anne at duxsys.com Mon Feb 3 16:28:15 2014 From: anne at duxsys.com (Anne Ronco) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:28:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing DBT Win 11.2 Now Shipping Message-ID: Dear Duxnews and Duxuser listers, Our next major version, DBT 11.2 (build date 2014-1-29), has been released. DBT 11.2 is now shipping and available on the Web for download. Those with existing licenses can use Help/Check for Updates (Alt-H-U) to download DBT 11.2 and check if their licenses are within the eligibility period for receiving DBT 11.2 as a free update. Those with licenses outside of the eligibility period can run DBT 11.2 as a time-limited trial for up to 45 days. DBT 11.2 can also be downloaded from our main web site home page: www.duxburysystems.com The DBT 11.2 download will run as a demo version for those without a license. Here is a list of what's new since DBT 11.1 SR4: -- DBT has always been at the forefront in implementing Unified English Braille. 11.2 contains further enhancements. DBT now has a UEB Learning Series for the UK (these are a series of translators that allow learning of contractions in graduated steps). -- You can now use variable width fonts on the "print side" of DBT. For many languages, this is a substantial improvement. -- Easier support for the new BANA 2011 Formats (used in the United States) -- Nemeth Code, Braille to Print support added. (see http://www.duxburysystems.com/math/index.htm) -- Export from DBT to Microsoft Word via HTML. (see http://www.duxburysystems.com/documentation/dbt11.2/working_with_word/dbt_to_word.htm) -- DBT has new software to handle installation and activation issues (see http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_new.asp#actwiz) -- DBT now contains a Czech and a Chinese User Interface (see Global Menu, Internationalization). -- Formatted Braille Files with non-US encodings can now be imported by DBT (requires *.bff extension and the use of another encoding in the Global, Internationalization Menu). -- More languages and better support of existing languages (see http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_new.asp#langs) -- Better Embosser support (see http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbt_new.asp#emb) -- Math file importation and braille math translation have been improved substantially. -- Plus many, many other new features. For a more detailed list, see http://www.duxburysystems.com/dbtwhst.asp. Regards to all, Joe Sullivan President, Duxbury Systems, Inc. From emilypennington at fuse.net Mon Feb 3 16:34:17 2014 From: emilypennington at fuse.net (Emily Pennington) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:34:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901cf20fd$c899a180$59cce480$@fuse.net> Hi, Kaiti. How ironic that you brought this up; my dad and I were just talking about this very issue. He says he has an app through which he can take a picture of a business card, and it automatically adds a new contact on his phone. The name of the app escapes me at the moment, and I still need to explore it to see how accessible it is, but if it would work, that would be great. I, too, am getting increasing amounts of business cards -- especially at career fairs, Meet the Firm events, and the like. Hope this helps (sort of), Emily -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 10:47 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards Hi all, I've been getting a lot of business cards lately, and I anticipate I will only get more as I start doing field experience and attending more professional conferences. I always feel weird accepting business cards because knowing me, if something isn't either electronic or braille I'm going to lose it, or put it in my wallet and have no clue what it is when I get it out later. I try to take down notes in my notetaker whenever I can, but sometimes people don't understand why I want to write down their email address or something when they could just give me their business card. (It happens, even with the cane). For example, in my university library the other day I was working with a reference specialist to access some databases. I was having a lot of trouble because something eeither with Jaws, my internet explorer settings, or both is causing accessibility issues. He knew I used jaws, but at the end he was like, "Have a business card and email me so we can set up a time to fix this. My address is on the card." Has anyone come up with a good way to manage these cards, or to work around taking the cards at all in lieu of electronic notation of the information without being rude or too assertive? -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.n et From matt.dierckens at me.com Mon Feb 3 16:48:03 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 11:48:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards In-Reply-To: <000901cf20fd$c899a180$59cce480$@fuse.net> References: <000901cf20fd$c899a180$59cce480$@fuse.net> Message-ID: The app is called Cam Card I believe. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:34 AM, Emily Pennington wrote: > Hi, Kaiti. > How ironic that you brought this up; my dad and I were just talking about > this very issue. He says he has an app through which he can take a picture > of a business card, and it automatically adds a new contact on his phone. > The name of the app escapes me at the moment, and I still need to explore it > to see how accessible it is, but if it would work, that would be great. I, > too, am getting increasing amounts of business cards -- especially at career > fairs, Meet the Firm events, and the like. > > Hope this helps (sort of), > Emily > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 10:47 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards > > Hi all, > > I've been getting a lot of business cards lately, and I anticipate I will > only get more as I start doing field experience and attending more > professional conferences. I always feel weird accepting business cards > because knowing me, if something isn't either electronic or braille I'm > going to lose it, or put it in my wallet and have no clue what it is when I > get it out later. I try to take down notes in my notetaker whenever I can, > but sometimes people don't understand why I want to write down their email > address or something when they could just give me their business card. (It > happens, even with the cane). > For example, in my university library the other day I was working with a > reference specialist to access some databases. I was having a lot of > trouble because something eeither with Jaws, my internet explorer settings, > or both is causing accessibility issues. He knew I used jaws, but at the > end he was like, "Have a business card and email me so we can set up a time > to fix this. My address is on the card." > > Has anyone come up with a good way to manage these cards, or to work around > taking the cards at all in lieu of electronic notation of the information > without being rude or too assertive? > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.n > et > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From dandrews at visi.com Mon Feb 3 16:49:57 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:49:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You have been done a great dis-service by the education and rehab systems. There are many many things that you can do independently and successfully, that you are not doing. Don't get hung up on little things like what will I study in technology. At a good training center you will learn to travel independently and confidently, to go to new places and find your way, to cook, clean, use stoves, knives, and everything else! If you are still a rehab client you can ask for training as a part of your individualized plan for employment. Without good training you will find it difficult to get a good job. Additional skills and confidence will help convince an employer to hire you. Contact your nfb state president and get help in getting what you need from your rehab counselor. Dave At 08:32 PM 2/2/2014, you wrote: >Hello, >It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about >nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and still live >at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training >program in high school, but it was a six week program only and they >would not let us leave the building alone because the hall directors >felt that the area was not safe for us. The only trips we took were >as a group and with the staff. >At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go >sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea >of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I >cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. >Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to attend a >training center? I am a member at large, so does that make a >difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not so >much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I still >end up going sighted guide with family and friends except for >interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar >places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have >a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the >Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a >notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still receive technology >training? If I would, could it be more recreational in nature, such >as learning to navigate facebook using JAWS or learning to use >itunes ineependently so I can manage my ipod independently or >learning voiceover so I could use an ipad or iphone? My family all >have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and I who still have >basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her phone >rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her >because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could >not get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills >are very good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille >grade and was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my >music Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well >since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons >were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable with using >the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind of knife, >even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for help with this >task. Therefore, based on the information I have provided, what >would a training center be able to offer me? Will they reteach me >something I already know or are new students tested on what they arl >know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you questions >or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? When >I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a >bunch of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our >profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for >so many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the >programs offered at these training centers and how they could be of >benefit to me now. >Thanks, From dandrews at visi.com Mon Feb 3 16:52:08 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:52:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: A good center will find a way to challenge you, if you are good at something. I was a good traveler so they had me teach some. It made me better. I could cook so I substituted for teacher when she went on vacation. I was a good Braille reader so I worked on Grade 3 Braille. There is always a way. Dave At 09:32 PM 2/2/2014, you wrote: >I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >Braille aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and >hope to increase that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the >nemith code code pretty much up through algebra 2 and probably then >some. My Braille music skills are fair. I am just curious as to >what a Braille component could do for me. > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > > > Hi Kelsey, > > > > I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have > > voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're > > in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you > > than a state center, but we can all help you with that. > > I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great > > experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning > > and they set up your assignments according to your individual > > strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the > > kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then > > have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. > > I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I > > learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. > > It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the > > center. > > For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel > > competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills > > were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I > > could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings > > based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a > > new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the > > center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a > > route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since > > graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct > > the problem a lot faster. > > > > Best, > > Arielle > > > >> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: > >> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB > >> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. > >> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if you > >> have a case with Voc Rehab? > >> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to get > >> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and > direct you to > >> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. > >> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and > I'll do my > >> best to assist. From dandrews at visi.com Mon Feb 3 16:55:01 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 10:55:01 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The least disruptive thing is to take the card and use a human reader, later on, to extract the information. Dave At 09:47 AM 2/3/2014, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I've been getting a lot of business cards lately, and I anticipate I >will only get more as I start doing field experience and attending >more professional conferences. I always feel weird accepting business >cards because knowing me, if something isn't either electronic or >braille I'm going to lose it, or put it in my wallet and have no clue >what it is when I get it out later. I try to take down notes in my >notetaker whenever I can, but sometimes people don't understand why I >want to write down their email address or something when they could >just give me their business card. (It happens, even with the cane). >For example, in my university library the other day I was working with >a reference specialist to access some databases. I was having a lot >of trouble because something eeither with Jaws, my internet explorer >settings, or both is causing accessibility issues. He knew I used >jaws, but at the end he was like, "Have a business card and email me >so we can set up a time to fix this. My address is on the card." > >Has anyone come up with a good way to manage these cards, or to work >around taking the cards at all in lieu of electronic notation of the >information without being rude or too assertive? > >-- >Kaiti From mistydbradley at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 16:58:03 2014 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:58:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: <52ef57bf.8795e00a.3e0e.fffff84eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <52ef57bf.8795e00a.3e0e.fffff84eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0FBBE2B9D1D74801A045B6D980ED04AA@MistyBradleyPC> Hi Kelsey, I have never attended an NFB center, but I am in the process of trying to get into one, although vocational rehab is still being difficult about it in my state, so it is taking longer to do things. Do you have a case open with vocational rehabilitation in your state? If so, then they could pay for your training. You may have to justify it, since some states tend to favor in-state centers rather than out-of-state NFB centers, but they are supposed to allow you to choose where you want to get training. I am not sure how NFB centers do it, but I have been to a state-run center in Raleigh, North Carolina, for their 4 week summer program when I was 16, and it was similar to your experience where they were extremely sheltering and we couldn't go out or do things on our own, and whenever they planned an outing in the evenings, everyone had to go whether they liked it or not. They told me it is because we were considered minors, so I guess it was a liability issue, but, in my opinion, it took away from the whole point of training to become more independent. In this center, they did evaluations for a week that were extensive, but they were mostly psychological and intelligence related. Another center that I lived near in Texas did hands-on evaluations where they asked you to do things to show them how well you could do things such as cleaning and what areas you needed improvements in, and this typically took about a month, and after that month, you began training on those areas. I believe that the NFB centers do the same thing and evaluate you to find out what you need to work on and what your goals are, etc. although I am not sure what their process is for doing evaluations. Hope this helps, Misty -----Original Message----- From: Beth Taurasi Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:46 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers I graduated from CCB, and it was a good classic traiing center, except the blind people were all allowed to do things on their own. I think it was fun though, and I met my lover at the center. I actually blossomed when I was there, so Kelsey, I can tell you a lot. Just email off list and we can talk. I'd love to talk to you. beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie McGinnity wrote: Hello, It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week program only and they would not let us leave the building alone because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still receive technology training? If I would, could it be more recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will they reteach me something I already know or are new students tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at these training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. Thanks, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40g mail.com -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen11 07%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From matt.dierckens at me.com Mon Feb 3 17:01:18 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 12:01:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: <0FBBE2B9D1D74801A045B6D980ED04AA@MistyBradleyPC> References: <52ef57bf.8795e00a.3e0e.fffff84eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <0FBBE2B9D1D74801A045B6D980ED04AA@MistyBradleyPC> Message-ID: I graduated the Colorado Centre in march 2013, and it was a great experience. Now, being from Canada, we don't have rehab here, and so I had to pay for half of the centre. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. You'll learn a lot, get frustrated, and ask yourself why the heck you're even there, but let me tell you, it was so worth it. I learned so much and have more confidence in myself as a blind person. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Misty Dawn Bradley wrote: > Hi Kelsey, > I have never attended an NFB center, but I am in the process of trying to get into one, although vocational rehab is still being difficult about it in my state, so it is taking longer to do things. Do you have a case open with vocational rehabilitation in your state? If so, then they could pay for your training. You may have to justify it, since some states tend to favor in-state centers rather than out-of-state NFB centers, but they are supposed to allow you to choose where you want to get training. I am not sure how NFB centers do it, but I have been to a state-run center in Raleigh, North Carolina, for their 4 week summer program when I was 16, and it was similar to your experience where they were extremely sheltering and we couldn't go out or do things on our own, and whenever they planned an outing in the evenings, everyone had to go whether they liked it or not. They told me it is because we were considered minors, so I guess it was a liability issue, but, in my opinion, it took away from the whole point of training to become more independent. In this center, they did evaluations for a week that were extensive, but they were mostly psychological and intelligence related. Another center that I lived near in Texas did hands-on evaluations where they asked you to do things to show them how well you could do things such as cleaning and what areas you needed improvements in, and this typically took about a month, and after that month, you began training on those areas. I believe that the NFB centers do the same thing and evaluate you to find out what you need to work on and what your goals are, etc. although I am not sure what their process is for doing evaluations. > Hope this helps, > Misty > > > -----Original Message----- From: Beth Taurasi > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:46 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers > > I graduated from CCB, and it was a good classic traiing center, > except the blind people were all allowed to do things on their > own. I think it was fun though, and I met my lover at the > center. I actually blossomed when I was there, so Kelsey, I can > tell you a lot. Just email off list and we can talk. I'd love > to talk to you. > beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Julie McGinnity To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:44:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers > > Hi Kelsey, > > I have never been to a training center myself, but I have a very > close > friend who is at one of them right now. > > I think a training center might be a great idea. They work with > you > on cane travel, cooking, and home management along with other > skills. > You will still get Braille and computer instruction, but it will > be > more focused if they figure out that you are already proficient. > Like > you suggested, you can learn skills, such as learning an IPad or > IPhone once you show them what you can do. I believe that the > centers > individualize training as much as possible. > > If you would like me to put you in contact with a current center > student, I think my friend would be willing to talk to you about > what > a day at the center is like. She currently attends CCB. So feel > free > to email me off list. > > > > On 2/2/14, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk > about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and > still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did > attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week > program only and they would not let us leave the building alone > because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for > us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. > At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go > sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the > idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is > that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. > Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to > attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that > make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not > so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I > still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except > for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to > unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help > with > that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with > using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille > note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still > receive technology training? If I would, could it be more > recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook > using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can > manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could > use > an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads > except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes > when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not > availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see > the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the > conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are > very > good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and > was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music > Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well > since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the > buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable > with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any > kind > of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for > help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have > provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will > they reteach me something I already know or are new students > tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you > down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked > to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, > they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes > or > no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was > just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but > I > wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at > these > training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40g > mail.com > > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen11 > 07%40comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 17:48:44 2014 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 10:48:44 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7BFAD46C27044BFBB89517E9AD148F0B@HP30910210001> Hi all. I know many people who go to nfb training centers with the idea that it is going to be fun and an adventure. so I always say to these people. the program will be what you make it. when I went through the center in colorado. I went in there and I got everything that I could and more. I saw the center as an opportunity and as a way to achieve my goals. It is such an intense program that I feel that people should really look into it and really go in there with a plan and goals that they would like to accomplish. Whether it is six months or more in the program. this is just my opinion, but I feel that many people go to training centers with the mind set of I am just going to do enough to get the certificate. I guess that is their choice. Like i said it is just my opinion. Best, Melissa R Green Hold fast to dreams, For if dreams die Life is a broken-winged bird, That cannot fly. Langston Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Hi Lillie, For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on slate and stylus work. Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity to read some fun Braille books! Arielle On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the > Braille > aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to increase > that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code pretty > much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music skills > are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do for > me. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >> wrote: >> >> Hi Kelsey, >> >> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. >> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >> center. >> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I >> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a >> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct >> the problem a lot faster. >> >> Best, >> Arielle >> >>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB >>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if you >>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to get >>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct you >>> to >>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I'll do >>> my >>> best to assist. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 17:52:38 2014 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 10:52:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> <8D05B64C6FD64074B28D5A2FED52A4D2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <62B27E339C46441FBAB66901AAA83886@HP30910210001> they also now offer lots of time to practice things like your graduation meals. You also get to do final projects. At least that is how colorado works. I agree with arielle. YOu do get to do some more challenging things when you have skills in braille and tech. I loved that because I got to read lots of nfb literature and discuss it with the braille instructor or challenge my classmates to speed reading and writing competitions. Best, Melissa R Green Hold fast to dreams, For if dreams die Life is a broken-winged bird, That cannot fly. Langston Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Kelsey, NFB centers offer a core set of classes and you take all of them till you test out of them. The classes are braille, cane travel, home management, technology, indust5rial arts and seminar of blindness. In braille they would tell you to learn the slate and stylus and improve your reading speed; if you have technology skills, I think they try to teach more advanced skills such as using the internet and excel. I did not attend a center, but this is what I've heard from many students. You do take all classes. Cane travel and home management are double periods, meaning 2 hours; braille and technology are one hour each. The centers offer job readiness classes, but I think this is after you test out of one class making room Ii n your schedule. Oh most importantly, the state vr agency you use should pay your training. Your vr counselor should honor your informed choice, and if she does not, you can get an nfb advocate involved. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 9:32 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Hello, It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week program only and they would not let us leave the building alone because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still receive technology training? If I would, could it be more recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will they reteach me something I already know or are new students tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at these training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. Thanks, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 17:57:18 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:57:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A83842CE34448F6A170D1205057A7BF@Helga> Hi Kaiti, and all. Have you all try to use the Say Text APP? I actually have this App on my iPhone, and I actually don't use it as much now, but its suppose to take a picture of a print paper, and the picture appears into your iPhone. And I actually one of my friends told me that you can even email the information of the picture to your email, but I'm not really so sure about it, since I didn't have a chance to explore the app as much! Just to let you know, the app you can find it in the APP store ,and it's free.Hope this Maybe this can work for Business Cards. And if it works, could you let me know? Thanks. Hope this helps! Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 10:47 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards Hi all, I've been getting a lot of business cards lately, and I anticipate I will only get more as I start doing field experience and attending more professional conferences. I always feel weird accepting business cards because knowing me, if something isn't either electronic or braille I'm going to lose it, or put it in my wallet and have no clue what it is when I get it out later. I try to take down notes in my notetaker whenever I can, but sometimes people don't understand why I want to write down their email address or something when they could just give me their business card. (It happens, even with the cane). For example, in my university library the other day I was working with a reference specialist to access some databases. I was having a lot of trouble because something eeither with Jaws, my internet explorer settings, or both is causing accessibility issues. He knew I used jaws, but at the end he was like, "Have a business card and email me so we can set up a time to fix this. My address is on the card." Has anyone come up with a good way to manage these cards, or to work around taking the cards at all in lieu of electronic notation of the information without being rude or too assertive? -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 18:05:32 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:05:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards In-Reply-To: <8A83842CE34448F6A170D1205057A7BF@Helga> References: <8A83842CE34448F6A170D1205057A7BF@Helga> Message-ID: Hi Kaiti, The app is, indeed, called CamCard. I actually brought it up to this list last week. Someone had mentioned it and I thought it would be really useful. I haven't tried it yet, but I would definitely say give it a shot. Ryan On 2/3/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Kaiti, and all. Have you all try to use the Say Text APP? I actually have > > this App on my iPhone, and I actually don't use it as much now, but its > suppose to take a picture of a print paper, and the picture appears into > your iPhone. And I actually one of my friends told me that you can even > email the information of the picture to your email, but I'm not really so > sure about it, since I didn't have a chance to explore the app as much! Just > > to let you know, the app you can find it in the APP store ,and it's > free.Hope this Maybe this can work for Business Cards. And if it works, > could you let me know? Thanks. Hope this helps! Thanks and God bless!! :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 10:47 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards > > Hi all, > > I've been getting a lot of business cards lately, and I anticipate I > will only get more as I start doing field experience and attending > more professional conferences. I always feel weird accepting business > cards because knowing me, if something isn't either electronic or > braille I'm going to lose it, or put it in my wallet and have no clue > what it is when I get it out later. I try to take down notes in my > notetaker whenever I can, but sometimes people don't understand why I > want to write down their email address or something when they could > just give me their business card. (It happens, even with the cane). > For example, in my university library the other day I was working with > a reference specialist to access some databases. I was having a lot > of trouble because something eeither with Jaws, my internet explorer > settings, or both is causing accessibility issues. He knew I used > jaws, but at the end he was like, "Have a business card and email me > so we can set up a time to fix this. My address is on the card." > > Has anyone come up with a good way to manage these cards, or to work > around taking the cards at all in lieu of electronic notation of the > information without being rude or too assertive? > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 18:48:54 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:48:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards In-Reply-To: References: <8A83842CE34448F6A170D1205057A7BF@Helga> Message-ID: Hi Ryan, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, is the CamCard APP free in the APP Store? Just curious! I'm just wondering, since people sometimes give me business cards, and I can't read them. Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 1:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Business cards Hi Kaiti, The app is, indeed, called CamCard. I actually brought it up to this list last week. Someone had mentioned it and I thought it would be really useful. I haven't tried it yet, but I would definitely say give it a shot. Ryan On 2/3/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Kaiti, and all. Have you all try to use the Say Text APP? I actually > have > > this App on my iPhone, and I actually don't use it as much now, but its > suppose to take a picture of a print paper, and the picture appears into > your iPhone. And I actually one of my friends told me that you can even > email the information of the picture to your email, but I'm not really so > sure about it, since I didn't have a chance to explore the app as much! > Just > > to let you know, the app you can find it in the APP store ,and it's > free.Hope this Maybe this can work for Business Cards. And if it works, > could you let me know? Thanks. Hope this helps! Thanks and God bless!! :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 10:47 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards > > Hi all, > > I've been getting a lot of business cards lately, and I anticipate I > will only get more as I start doing field experience and attending > more professional conferences. I always feel weird accepting business > cards because knowing me, if something isn't either electronic or > braille I'm going to lose it, or put it in my wallet and have no clue > what it is when I get it out later. I try to take down notes in my > notetaker whenever I can, but sometimes people don't understand why I > want to write down their email address or something when they could > just give me their business card. (It happens, even with the cane). > For example, in my university library the other day I was working with > a reference specialist to access some databases. I was having a lot > of trouble because something eeither with Jaws, my internet explorer > settings, or both is causing accessibility issues. He knew I used > jaws, but at the end he was like, "Have a business card and email me > so we can set up a time to fix this. My address is on the card." > > Has anyone come up with a good way to manage these cards, or to work > around taking the cards at all in lieu of electronic notation of the > information without being rude or too assertive? > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 18:55:14 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 13:55:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards Message-ID: <52efe612.4808ec0a.449e.096d@mx.google.com> Hi Kaiti my name is Roanna Bacchus. I have a suggestion for your business cards. Try putting braille labels on them when they come to you. Scan them into a word doc and save them on your notetaker if you have one. You could try the app that someone else suggested. From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 18:59:14 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:59:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards In-Reply-To: <52efe612.4808ec0a.449e.096d@mx.google.com> References: <52efe612.4808ec0a.449e.096d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Helga, Yes, as I recal, it is free. I don't often receive business cards, though I expect I probably will be doing so in the near future, so I really hope this app works and is accessible. Ryan On 2/3/14, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hi Kaiti my name is Roanna Bacchus. I have a suggestion for your > business cards. Try putting braille labels on them when they > come to you. Scan them into a word doc and save them on your > notetaker if you have one. You could try the app that someone > else suggested. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Feb 3 19:09:04 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:09:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: <62B27E339C46441FBAB66901AAA83886@HP30910210001> References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com><8D05B64C6FD64074B28D5A2FED52A4D2@OwnerPC> <62B27E339C46441FBAB66901AAA83886@HP30910210001> Message-ID: <82FF477778E04F0AB9175C8BC3CE2ECB@OwnerPC> Melissa, So what did you learn in technology class then? I've seen you on lists a long time, so I know you already have the typing skills and ability to send and read email. So, I'm assuming you were an advanced student in the computer/technology area. Did you learn about the internet or blogs? Do nfb centers teach apple products or tablets? I was curious as I hear mainly about learning windows computer skills and now a days there's more device than just pcs. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: melissa Green Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers they also now offer lots of time to practice things like your graduation meals. You also get to do final projects. At least that is how colorado works. I agree with arielle. YOu do get to do some more challenging things when you have skills in braille and tech. I loved that because I got to read lots of nfb literature and discuss it with the braille instructor or challenge my classmates to speed reading and writing competitions. Best, Melissa R Green Hold fast to dreams, For if dreams die Life is a broken-winged bird, That cannot fly. Langston Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Kelsey, NFB centers offer a core set of classes and you take all of them till you test out of them. The classes are braille, cane travel, home management, technology, indust5rial arts and seminar of blindness. In braille they would tell you to learn the slate and stylus and improve your reading speed; if you have technology skills, I think they try to teach more advanced skills such as using the internet and excel. I did not attend a center, but this is what I've heard from many students. You do take all classes. Cane travel and home management are double periods, meaning 2 hours; braille and technology are one hour each. The centers offer job readiness classes, but I think this is after you test out of one class making room Ii n your schedule. Oh most importantly, the state vr agency you use should pay your training. Your vr counselor should honor your informed choice, and if she does not, you can get an nfb advocate involved. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 9:32 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Hello, It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week program only and they would not let us leave the building alone because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still receive technology training? If I would, could it be more recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will they reteach me something I already know or are new students tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at these training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. Thanks, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 19:09:47 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:09:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: <62B27E339C46441FBAB66901AAA83886@HP30910210001> References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> <8D05B64C6FD64074B28D5A2FED52A4D2@OwnerPC> <62B27E339C46441FBAB66901AAA83886@HP30910210001> Message-ID: <002701cf2113$81acbb70$85063250$@gmail.com> I believe all 3 centers have very similar curricula. Louisiana, like Colorado, requires that each student complete graduation projects in each class. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of melissa Green Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers they also now offer lots of time to practice things like your graduation meals. You also get to do final projects. At least that is how colorado works. I agree with arielle. YOu do get to do some more challenging things when you have skills in braille and tech. I loved that because I got to read lots of nfb literature and discuss it with the braille instructor or challenge my classmates to speed reading and writing competitions. Best, Melissa R Green Hold fast to dreams, For if dreams die Life is a broken-winged bird, That cannot fly. Langston Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Kelsey, NFB centers offer a core set of classes and you take all of them till you test out of them. The classes are braille, cane travel, home management, technology, indust5rial arts and seminar of blindness. In braille they would tell you to learn the slate and stylus and improve your reading speed; if you have technology skills, I think they try to teach more advanced skills such as using the internet and excel. I did not attend a center, but this is what I've heard from many students. You do take all classes. Cane travel and home management are double periods, meaning 2 hours; braille and technology are one hour each. The centers offer job readiness classes, but I think this is after you test out of one class making room Ii n your schedule. Oh most importantly, the state vr agency you use should pay your training. Your vr counselor should honor your informed choice, and if she does not, you can get an nfb advocate involved. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 9:32 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Hello, It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week program only and they would not let us leave the building alone because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still receive technology training? If I would, could it be more recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will they reteach me something I already know or are new students tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at these training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. Thanks, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 19:22:39 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:22:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards In-Reply-To: References: <52efe612.4808ec0a.449e.096d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7F93F958127E44B686E9CC8ED51756BD@Helga> Hi Ryan, this is Helga. I forgot to ask you, How does the CamCard APP works? Just curious! I know that you didn't try it yet, but do you know if I need to take a picture of the card by using my iPhone, in order to make it work? Just curious! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 1:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Business cards Hi Helga, Yes, as I recal, it is free. I don't often receive business cards, though I expect I probably will be doing so in the near future, so I really hope this app works and is accessible. Ryan On 2/3/14, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hi Kaiti my name is Roanna Bacchus. I have a suggestion for your > business cards. Try putting braille labels on them when they > come to you. Scan them into a word doc and save them on your > notetaker if you have one. You could try the app that someone > else suggested. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 19:26:38 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:26:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: <0FBBE2B9D1D74801A045B6D980ED04AA@MistyBradleyPC> References: <52ef57bf.8795e00a.3e0e.fffff84eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <0FBBE2B9D1D74801A045B6D980ED04AA@MistyBradleyPC> Message-ID: <002e01cf2115$dcf09d60$96d1d820$@gmail.com> Kelsey and Misty, Although it is good to get the funding you can from voc rehab, I would advise you not to get discouraged if they won't pay your tuition in full. You could try getting additional funding from your state affiliate, your local Lions Club, other service groups in your community, your family and friends, your church, etc. Rehab funding is nice if you can get it, but it's not the only game in town. If you're comfortable with asking people for money (which I will admit is hard to do,) there are myriad sources of funding for a training program. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 11:58 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Hi Kelsey, I have never attended an NFB center, but I am in the process of trying to get into one, although vocational rehab is still being difficult about it in my state, so it is taking longer to do things. Do you have a case open with vocational rehabilitation in your state? If so, then they could pay for your training. You may have to justify it, since some states tend to favor in-state centers rather than out-of-state NFB centers, but they are supposed to allow you to choose where you want to get training. I am not sure how NFB centers do it, but I have been to a state-run center in Raleigh, North Carolina, for their 4 week summer program when I was 16, and it was similar to your experience where they were extremely sheltering and we couldn't go out or do things on our own, and whenever they planned an outing in the evenings, everyone had to go whether they liked it or not. They told me it is because we were considered minors, so I guess it was a liability issue, but, in my opinion, it took away from the whole point of training to become more independent. In this center, they did evaluations for a week that were extensive, but they were mostly psychological and intelligence related. Another center that I lived near in Texas did hands-on evaluations where they asked you to do things to show them how well you could do things such as cleaning and what areas you needed improvements in, and this typically took about a month, and after that month, you began training on those areas. I believe that the NFB centers do the same thing and evaluate you to find out what you need to work on and what your goals are, etc. although I am not sure what their process is for doing evaluations. Hope this helps, Misty -----Original Message----- From: Beth Taurasi Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:46 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers I graduated from CCB, and it was a good classic traiing center, except the blind people were all allowed to do things on their own. I think it was fun though, and I met my lover at the center. I actually blossomed when I was there, so Kelsey, I can tell you a lot. Just email off list and we can talk. I'd love to talk to you. beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie McGinnity wrote: Hello, It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week program only and they would not let us leave the building alone because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still receive technology training? If I would, could it be more recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will they reteach me something I already know or are new students tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at these training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. Thanks, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40g mail.com -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen11 07%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 19:28:17 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:28:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards In-Reply-To: References: <52efe612.4808ec0a.449e.096d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks for all the suggestions. As I do not have much access to a scanner, and I have the unfortunate habit of being offered business cards when I'm not prepared with my braille labeler (when I'm taking a cab, or when I'm not expecting to get a business card like in my campus library, etc), I will try out the Cam Card app. It sounds like it will quickly get the job done. The problem I've found with using human readers is that often when I'm at conferences or am busy taking in a lot of information at once, I'll forget who the person was by the time I remember to ask someone to read the card. For example, last year I attended a national conference for my field, and collected quite a few business cards from presenters and vendors at exhibit hall tables. I was so busy with conference activities that I didn't touch any of the business cards until I was cleaning out the toat bag I got from the conference back at my dorm room. When I asked my roommate to read the cards for me I barely remembered most of the people in connection with their presentations, and some cards I just threw out because I had no idea who their owners were at all. The Cam Card App sounds great because I can just scan them into my phone then and there, and add a little note about them in the company section or something of the contacts. On 2/3/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Hi Helga, > > Yes, as I recal, it is free. I don't often receive business cards, > though I expect I probably will be doing so in the near future, so I > really hope this app works and is accessible. > > Ryan > > On 2/3/14, Roanna Baccchus wrote: >> Hi Kaiti my name is Roanna Bacchus. I have a suggestion for your >> business cards. Try putting braille labels on them when they >> come to you. Scan them into a word doc and save them on your >> notetaker if you have one. You could try the app that someone >> else suggested. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 19:33:29 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:33:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] looking for a summer job In-Reply-To: References: <52ec3c99.e27c320a.2569.4de8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Sophie, Since I believe you're in Louisiana (correct me if I'm wrong), what about seeing if you could help with the bell program there? I know in Ohio the staff really appreciates the extra support from students, and it also gives the kids someone closer to their own age they can look to as a role model. Minh, I just looked at the idealist.org web site you mentioned and am hooked. I had never heard of it before today and I really wish I would have; it's great! On 2/2/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Another option is to sign up to tutor younger kids. You could talk to > your high school guidance counselor and find out if they keep a list > of teen tutors they give out to families. When I was a high school > senior I did some paid tutoring that was organized through my school's > honor society. > Babysitting and tutoring may be especially good because those things > are usually negotiated between you and the family rather than having > to try to impress a big company. If you use your family and school > networks to find clients, it could cut down on the risk of being > denied opportunities because of blindness. People in your family and > school networks will likely know you better or hear from others who > can vouch for your capabilities. > Arielle > > On 2/2/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Hi Sophie, >> >> Here are a few suggestions that I know have worked for me or others I >> know. >> >> If you have any sort of agency that produces braille, perhaps they >> would like a braille proofreader. I know a guy who got an internship >> doing this for a summer and he really liked it. If you know what sort >> of field you want to go into in college, or at least have a few ideas, >> try volunteering or job shadowing someone else in that field. It is >> not only a way to be productive over the summer, but also a good way >> to find out if the career you think you want is really the right one >> for you, and get a little professional experience while you're at it. >> The last one may be a little controversial but I know it can be done. >> If you have any prior experience working with kids you can try >> babysitting or working at a daycare. >> >> Good luck! >> >> On 1/31/14, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Hey NABS people, >>> >>> I'm seventeen and a junior in high school. Since I'm not going to >>> any blindness training camp this summer, I decided I'd look for a >>> job, volunteer or paid doesn't matter. I honestly have no idea >>> what I want to do or how to go about finding a job. The only work >>> experience I had was last year at STEP when the director of LCB >>> found the job for me. How does one go about finding summer jobs? >>> Wht kind of summer jobs are accessible to blind teenagers? Any >>> input is appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help! >>> >>> Yours sincerely, >>> Sophie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 19:36:37 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 13:36:37 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards In-Reply-To: References: <52efe612.4808ec0a.449e.096d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Helga, the CamCard app uses the camera on the phone. You take a picture of the business card and it puts the information in the "card holder" which is like your contacts. I'm not sure if the app can integrate with the iPhone contacts app, but it may be able to do so. Ryan On 2/3/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for all the suggestions. As I do not have much access to a > scanner, and I have the unfortunate habit of being offered business > cards when I'm not prepared with my braille labeler (when I'm taking a > cab, or when I'm not expecting to get a business card like in my > campus library, etc), I will try out the Cam Card app. It sounds like > it will quickly get the job done. > > The problem I've found with using human readers is that often when I'm > at conferences or am busy taking in a lot of information at once, I'll > forget who the person was by the time I remember to ask someone to > read the card. For example, last year I attended a national > conference for my field, and collected quite a few business cards from > presenters and vendors at exhibit hall tables. I was so busy with > conference activities that I didn't touch any of the business cards > until I was cleaning out the toat bag I got from the conference back > at my dorm room. When I asked my roommate to read the cards for me I > barely remembered most of the people in connection with their > presentations, and some cards I just threw out because I had no idea > who their owners were at all. The Cam Card App sounds great because I > can just scan them into my phone then and there, and add a little note > about them in the company section or something of the contacts. > > On 2/3/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> Hi Helga, >> >> Yes, as I recal, it is free. I don't often receive business cards, >> though I expect I probably will be doing so in the near future, so I >> really hope this app works and is accessible. >> >> Ryan >> >> On 2/3/14, Roanna Baccchus wrote: >>> Hi Kaiti my name is Roanna Bacchus. I have a suggestion for your >>> business cards. Try putting braille labels on them when they >>> come to you. Scan them into a word doc and save them on your >>> notetaker if you have one. You could try the app that someone >>> else suggested. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 19:39:48 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:39:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: <82FF477778E04F0AB9175C8BC3CE2ECB@OwnerPC> References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com><8D05B64C6FD64074B28D5A2FED52A4D2@OwnerPC> <62B27E339C46441FBAB66901AAA83886@HP30910210001> <82FF477778E04F0AB9175C8BC3CE2ECB@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <002f01cf2117$b3b71bc0$1b255340$@gmail.com> Ashley, Though I don't presume to speak for Melissa or any other adult student for that matter, I can tell you that LCB expanded their technology teaching beyond basic Windows skills at the STEP Program. When I entered I was already strong in my knowledge of JAWS and Windows, but not so much in the intricacies of formatting using Word or creating spreadsheets in Excel. Once I mastered those skills I moved onto iOS devices and more advanced Windows use. I came into STEP with much more iOS experience than I had when I was in the Buddy Program, but there was still much to learn. Much of my iOS work was talking with my teacher about apps she used to accomplish different tasks and playing with those apps. I also became better at organizing my iPhone by putting apps in folders. What I find nice about NFB centers is the training is very student-guided. As has been mentioned previously, they will begin by evaluating each student's strengths and weaknesses. From this information they will build a unique course based on the student's individual needs. A common question asked by the instructors at LCB is, "What do you want to work on today?" This provided me with a much better experience in my training. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 2:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Melissa, So what did you learn in technology class then? I've seen you on lists a long time, so I know you already have the typing skills and ability to send and read email. So, I'm assuming you were an advanced student in the computer/technology area. Did you learn about the internet or blogs? Do nfb centers teach apple products or tablets? I was curious as I hear mainly about learning windows computer skills and now a days there's more device than just pcs. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: melissa Green Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers they also now offer lots of time to practice things like your graduation meals. You also get to do final projects. At least that is how colorado works. I agree with arielle. YOu do get to do some more challenging things when you have skills in braille and tech. I loved that because I got to read lots of nfb literature and discuss it with the braille instructor or challenge my classmates to speed reading and writing competitions. Best, Melissa R Green Hold fast to dreams, For if dreams die Life is a broken-winged bird, That cannot fly. Langston Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Kelsey, NFB centers offer a core set of classes and you take all of them till you test out of them. The classes are braille, cane travel, home management, technology, indust5rial arts and seminar of blindness. In braille they would tell you to learn the slate and stylus and improve your reading speed; if you have technology skills, I think they try to teach more advanced skills such as using the internet and excel. I did not attend a center, but this is what I've heard from many students. You do take all classes. Cane travel and home management are double periods, meaning 2 hours; braille and technology are one hour each. The centers offer job readiness classes, but I think this is after you test out of one class making room Ii n your schedule. Oh most importantly, the state vr agency you use should pay your training. Your vr counselor should honor your informed choice, and if she does not, you can get an nfb advocate involved. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 9:32 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Hello, It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week program only and they would not let us leave the building alone because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still receive technology training? If I would, could it be more recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will they reteach me something I already know or are new students tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at these training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. Thanks, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 19:40:51 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:40:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] looking for a summer job In-Reply-To: References: <52ec3c99.e27c320a.2569.4de8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <003001cf2117$d8a57440$89f05cc0$@gmail.com> Amen! The BELL program is a truly wonderful experience. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 2:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] looking for a summer job Sophie, Since I believe you're in Louisiana (correct me if I'm wrong), what about seeing if you could help with the bell program there? I know in Ohio the staff really appreciates the extra support from students, and it also gives the kids someone closer to their own age they can look to as a role model. Minh, I just looked at the idealist.org web site you mentioned and am hooked. I had never heard of it before today and I really wish I would have; it's great! On 2/2/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Another option is to sign up to tutor younger kids. You could talk to > your high school guidance counselor and find out if they keep a list > of teen tutors they give out to families. When I was a high school > senior I did some paid tutoring that was organized through my school's > honor society. > Babysitting and tutoring may be especially good because those things > are usually negotiated between you and the family rather than having > to try to impress a big company. If you use your family and school > networks to find clients, it could cut down on the risk of being > denied opportunities because of blindness. People in your family and > school networks will likely know you better or hear from others who > can vouch for your capabilities. > Arielle > > On 2/2/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Hi Sophie, >> >> Here are a few suggestions that I know have worked for me or others I >> know. >> >> If you have any sort of agency that produces braille, perhaps they >> would like a braille proofreader. I know a guy who got an internship >> doing this for a summer and he really liked it. If you know what >> sort of field you want to go into in college, or at least have a few >> ideas, try volunteering or job shadowing someone else in that field. >> It is not only a way to be productive over the summer, but also a >> good way to find out if the career you think you want is really the >> right one for you, and get a little professional experience while you're at it. >> The last one may be a little controversial but I know it can be done. >> If you have any prior experience working with kids you can try >> babysitting or working at a daycare. >> >> Good luck! >> >> On 1/31/14, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Hey NABS people, >>> >>> I'm seventeen and a junior in high school. Since I'm not going to >>> any blindness training camp this summer, I decided I'd look for a >>> job, volunteer or paid doesn't matter. I honestly have no idea what >>> I want to do or how to go about finding a job. The only work >>> experience I had was last year at STEP when the director of LCB >>> found the job for me. How does one go about finding summer jobs? >>> Wht kind of summer jobs are accessible to blind teenagers? Any input >>> is appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help! >>> >>> Yours sincerely, >>> Sophie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet10 >>> 4%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail >> .com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 19:47:54 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 14:47:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Taking my Government Test on Blackboard Message-ID: <8ADB93F53DE7425592DDAF009EBBD0A9@Helga> Hi guys, this is Helga! How aare you all? I just wanted to tell you that I’m going to take my Government test today in the Blackboard Site, and it is going to be 25 questions. And actually this test includes questions, such as true or False, Multiple Choice, Matching, and Ordering. I just wanted to ask you, how do you handle a test that involves matching, and ordering questions in Blackboard with JAWS? I think that I can handle the multiple choice, and true or false questions since I can just select my answers in the Check box with JAWS. However, I don’t know how can I handle the matching, and the ordering questions of the test, since I probably need to move each answer around, or probably make lines. And Just to let you know this test that I’m taking today has a time limit! And I actually have extra time, but still. For instance, my Government Professor gave the other students 35 minutes in order to complete the test. But I didn’t check yet, but I probably have one hour and 35 minutes to complete it. The deadline in order to complete the test is tomorrow at midnight, but I will like to do it today. I will really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 1:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Business cards Hi Helga, Yes, as I recal, it is free. I don't often receive business cards, though I expect I probably will be doing so in the near future, so I really hope this app works and is accessible. Ryan On 2/3/14, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hi Kaiti my name is Roanna Bacchus. I have a suggestion for your > business cards. Try putting braille labels on them when they > come to you. Scan them into a word doc and save them on your > notetaker if you have one. You could try the app that someone > else suggested. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Feb 3 20:47:23 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 15:47:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: <002f01cf2117$b3b71bc0$1b255340$@gmail.com> References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com><8D05B64C6FD64074B28D5A2FED52A4D2@OwnerPC> <62B27E339C46441FBAB66901AAA83886@HP30910210001><82FF477778E04F0AB9175C8BC3CE2ECB@OwnerPC> <002f01cf2117$b3b71bc0$1b255340$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris, That's helpful since you did go to the lcb step program. Glad to hear they are using IOS devices too. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 2:39 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Ashley, Though I don't presume to speak for Melissa or any other adult student for that matter, I can tell you that LCB expanded their technology teaching beyond basic Windows skills at the STEP Program. When I entered I was already strong in my knowledge of JAWS and Windows, but not so much in the intricacies of formatting using Word or creating spreadsheets in Excel. Once I mastered those skills I moved onto iOS devices and more advanced Windows use. I came into STEP with much more iOS experience than I had when I was in the Buddy Program, but there was still much to learn. Much of my iOS work was talking with my teacher about apps she used to accomplish different tasks and playing with those apps. I also became better at organizing my iPhone by putting apps in folders. What I find nice about NFB centers is the training is very student-guided. As has been mentioned previously, they will begin by evaluating each student's strengths and weaknesses. From this information they will build a unique course based on the student's individual needs. A common question asked by the instructors at LCB is, "What do you want to work on today?" This provided me with a much better experience in my training. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 2:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Melissa, So what did you learn in technology class then? I've seen you on lists a long time, so I know you already have the typing skills and ability to send and read email. So, I'm assuming you were an advanced student in the computer/technology area. Did you learn about the internet or blogs? Do nfb centers teach apple products or tablets? I was curious as I hear mainly about learning windows computer skills and now a days there's more device than just pcs. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: melissa Green Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers they also now offer lots of time to practice things like your graduation meals. You also get to do final projects. At least that is how colorado works. I agree with arielle. YOu do get to do some more challenging things when you have skills in braille and tech. I loved that because I got to read lots of nfb literature and discuss it with the braille instructor or challenge my classmates to speed reading and writing competitions. Best, Melissa R Green Hold fast to dreams, For if dreams die Life is a broken-winged bird, That cannot fly. Langston Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Kelsey, NFB centers offer a core set of classes and you take all of them till you test out of them. The classes are braille, cane travel, home management, technology, indust5rial arts and seminar of blindness. In braille they would tell you to learn the slate and stylus and improve your reading speed; if you have technology skills, I think they try to teach more advanced skills such as using the internet and excel. I did not attend a center, but this is what I've heard from many students. You do take all classes. Cane travel and home management are double periods, meaning 2 hours; braille and technology are one hour each. The centers offer job readiness classes, but I think this is after you test out of one class making room Ii n your schedule. Oh most importantly, the state vr agency you use should pay your training. Your vr counselor should honor your informed choice, and if she does not, you can get an nfb advocate involved. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 9:32 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Hello, It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week program only and they would not let us leave the building alone because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still receive technology training? If I would, could it be more recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will they reteach me something I already know or are new students tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at these training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. Thanks, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 21:05:33 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:05:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards In-Reply-To: <6619E60BEAC241748ADF3D2D0ABBF4DF@OwnerPC> References: <52efe612.4808ec0a.449e.096d@mx.google.com> <7F93F958127E44B686E9CC8ED51756BD@Helga> <6619E60BEAC241748ADF3D2D0ABBF4DF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <009c01cf2123$ae31b960$0a952c20$@gmail.com> Well, it could be that the app scans the card automatically like the LookTell Money Reader app does. However, this is not the case with CamCard. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:45 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Business cards you'd have to take a picture. how else could you use the card's info on the phone. -----Original Message----- From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 2:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Business cards Hi Ryan, this is Helga. I forgot to ask you, How does the CamCard APP works? Just curious! I know that you didn't try it yet, but do you know if I need to take a picture of the card by using my iPhone, in order to make it work? Just curious! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 1:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Business cards Hi Helga, Yes, as I recal, it is free. I don't often receive business cards, though I expect I probably will be doing so in the near future, so I really hope this app works and is accessible. Ryan On 2/3/14, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hi Kaiti my name is Roanna Bacchus. I have a suggestion for your > business cards. Try putting braille labels on them when they come to > you. Scan them into a word doc and save them on your notetaker if you > have one. You could try the app that someone else suggested. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40 > gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 21:06:42 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:06:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Quizlet In-Reply-To: <7F9867C9-AA2C-4A5E-BED8-02C49EF8BC37@me.com> References: <52ed9683.89298c0a.160a.59f8@mx.google.com> <7F9867C9-AA2C-4A5E-BED8-02C49EF8BC37@me.com> Message-ID: <009d01cf2123$d6db4520$8491cf60$@gmail.com> Very cool. It's good to know that the app is accessible, though it was not designed for the blind. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Jones Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 1:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Quizlet Hello CHris, Flashcards++ is mainstream. HTH, Bryan On Feb 1, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: is this Flashkards Plus Plus app mainstream or blindness-specific? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From audioaccess2013 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 21:49:20 2014 From: audioaccess2013 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:49:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Warm Up, And End Your Monday Night With A Smile From The Djd Invasion Message-ID: Hi All! For some of us in the country, the weather is wintery and frightful. But your Monday night could be delightful. All you have to do is to turn your speakers up at any time between 7 and 10PM eastern tonight for another edition of The Djd Invasion. In addition to the show's debut on Possum Radio http://www.possumradio.net we'll be having the fun you've always been able to get from a Djd Invasion. >From a great variety of music, to some songs for those of us suffering through the snow of the winter, to some oldies, requests and more, we'll be having lots of fun tonight, including your interactions on and off air. During the show, you can send in requests either by visiting http://www.daviddunphyradio.com/requests Via skype at daviddunphyradio Via twitter at ddunphyradio or via telephone by calling 516-945-9165 So to listen, at any time between 7 and 10PM eastern, be sure to log on to http://www.daviddunphyradio.com to tune in. If you plan on using the above link with your mobile device, look for the link that says you can listen with your IPhone or mobile device. Hope to see you there! >From David Dunphy From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 23:28:33 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 18:28:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards In-Reply-To: <009c01cf2123$ae31b960$0a952c20$@gmail.com> References: <52efe612.4808ec0a.449e.096d@mx.google.com> <7F93F958127E44B686E9CC8ED51756BD@Helga> <6619E60BEAC241748ADF3D2D0ABBF4DF@OwnerPC> <009c01cf2123$ae31b960$0a952c20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Kaiti, I imagine your issue of not recalling the owners of the business cards is a universal one, not exclusive to blind people. When you have a sighted friend read you the cards, you could always look up their website or even their name on the internet. Many professionals have LinkedIn profiles and you can keep track of your contacts by doing this. I have had to do it a couple of times and LinkedIn has been incredibly useful in connecting me with people that I wasn't sure how I met. HTH, Minh On 2/3/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Well, it could be that the app scans the card automatically like the > LookTell Money Reader app does. However, this is not the case with CamCard. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley > Bramlett > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:45 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Business cards > > you'd have to take a picture. how else could you use the card's info on the > phone. > > -----Original Message----- > From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 2:22 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Business cards > > Hi Ryan, this is Helga. I forgot to ask you, How does the CamCard APP > works? > Just curious! I know that you didn't try it yet, but do you know if I need > to take a picture of the card by using my iPhone, in order to make it work? > Just curious! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 1:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Business cards > > Hi Helga, > > Yes, as I recal, it is free. I don't often receive business cards, though > I > expect I probably will be doing so in the near future, so I really hope > this > app works and is accessible. > > Ryan > > On 2/3/14, Roanna Baccchus wrote: >> Hi Kaiti my name is Roanna Bacchus. I have a suggestion for your >> business cards. Try putting braille labels on them when they come to >> you. Scan them into a word doc and save them on your notetaker if you >> have one. You could try the app that someone else suggested. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40 >> gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From mikgephart at icloud.com Mon Feb 3 23:49:49 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:49:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Display Back Message-ID: Hello, I just got my Focus 40 back! I am so excited. Thank you for all of your support during this difficult time. Best, Mikayla Sent from my iPad From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Feb 3 23:55:13 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 18:55:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Taking my Government Test on Blackboard References: <8ADB93F53DE7425592DDAF009EBBD0A9@Helga> Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: > Date: February 3, 2014 at 2:47:54 PM EST > To: > Subject: Taking my Government Test on Blackboard > > Hi guys, this is Helga! How aare you all? I just wanted to tell you that I’m going to take my Government test today in the Blackboard Site, and it is going to be 25 questions. And actually this test includes questions, such as true or False, Multiple Choice, Matching, and Ordering. I just wanted to ask you, how do you handle a test that involves matching, and ordering questions in Blackboard with JAWS? I think that I can handle the multiple choice, and true or false questions since I can just select my answers in the Check box with JAWS. However, I don’t know how can I handle the matching, and the ordering questions of the test, since I probably need to move each answer around, or probably make lines. And Just to let you know this test that I’m taking today has a time limit! And I actually have extra time, but still. For instance, my Government Professor gave the other students 35 minutes in order to complete the test. But I didn’t check yet, but I probably have one hour and 35 minutes to complete it. The deadline in order to complete the test is tomorrow at midnight, but I will like to do it today. I will really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 01:02:10 2014 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (Ryan Bishop) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 18:02:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Taking my Government Test on Blackboard In-Reply-To: References: <8ADB93F53DE7425592DDAF009EBBD0A9@Helga> Message-ID: I've never had much complication with blackboard. Though I do recommend doing it on firefox. The test I did once for matching had each choice with a letter next to it, and each question would have an edit field where you would enter the letter. I'm not sure how yours is layed out, if I had more details, I could help a bit more. Hope this helps at least a bit. Ryan On 2/3/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: >> Date: February 3, 2014 at 2:47:54 PM EST >> To: >> Subject: Taking my Government Test on Blackboard >> >> Hi guys, this is Helga! How aare you all? I just wanted to tell you that >> I'm going to take my Government test today in the Blackboard Site, and it >> is going to be 25 questions. And actually this test includes questions, >> such as true or False, Multiple Choice, Matching, and Ordering. I just >> wanted to ask you, how do you handle a test that involves matching, and >> ordering questions in Blackboard with JAWS? I think that I can handle the >> multiple choice, and true or false questions since I can just select my >> answers in the Check box with JAWS. However, I don't know how can I handle >> the matching, and the ordering questions of the test, since I probably >> need to move each answer around, or probably make lines. And Just to let >> you know this test that I'm taking today has a time limit! And I actually >> have extra time, but still. For instance, my Government Professor gave the >> other students 35 minutes in order to complete the test. But I didn't >> check yet, but I probably have one hour and 35 minutes to complete it. The >> deadline in order to complete the test is tomorrow at midnight, but I >> will like to do it today. I will really appreciate it, if you could help >> me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you >> soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.com > -- ---------------- Ryan Bishop E-Mail Address: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Mobile Number: --- "A Loss of sight, Never a loss of vision" Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. As such, dispensing of this information should only be to individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From ligne14 at verizon.net Tue Feb 4 01:45:12 2014 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (sami osborne) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 20:45:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille Message-ID: <0N0G004AO7JXB9M0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Hi All. I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this works? Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing about it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, more contractions then grade 2 braille uses? I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and am therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my music school. I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. Thanks. Sami. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Feb 4 02:20:40 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 21:20:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille In-Reply-To: <0N0G004AO7JXB9M0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0N0G004AO7JXB9M0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3464D56F9AF7410189B4A29D1870124D@OwnerPC> Hi, grade 3 braille is used for personal use; its not in books we read. basically grade 3 is a shorter form of words; its for fast notetaking. I don't know it; basically, it adds more short form words to writing. -----Original Message----- From: sami osborne Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 8:45 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille Hi All. I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this works? Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing about it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, more contractions then grade 2 braille uses? I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and am therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my music school. I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. Thanks. Sami. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dandrews at visi.com Tue Feb 4 02:23:16 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 20:23:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille In-Reply-To: <0N0G004AO7JXB9M0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0N0G004AO7JXB9M0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a Braille shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and nothing regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. Dave At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: >Hi All. > >I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training >centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. >I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. >So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this >works? Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing >about it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, >more contractions then grade 2 braille uses? >I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, >because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was >in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've >learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I >have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and >am therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. >Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my >music school. >I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. >Thanks. > >Sami. From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 02:33:50 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:33:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille In-Reply-To: References: <0N0G004AO7JXB9M0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: My TVI spent a lot of time teaching me Grade 3 Braille in middle school. I learned it and then rapidly forgot it. Thing is, you don't see it in books or any other Brailled publications, and it's only designed for personal shorthand. I don't really understand the purpose of learning a formal code for shorthand when you can just make up your own abbreviations. Seems the reason we memorize formal codes is so we can read the materials that other people give us, like books. If you're just writing notes for yourself why does it matter what symbols you use? I know my TVI meant well, but wonder how many under-resourced children she could have taught Grade 1 and 2 Braille to using the time she spent working with me on Grade 3. Seems that would have been a far more productive use of her time. Arielle On 2/3/14, David Andrews wrote: > Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a Braille > shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and nothing > regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. > > Dave > > At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: >>Hi All. >> >>I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training >>centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. >>I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. >>So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this >>works? Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing >>about it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, >>more contractions then grade 2 braille uses? >>I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, >>because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was >>in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've >>learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I >>have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and >>am therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. >>Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my >>music school. >>I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. >>Thanks. >> >>Sami. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From lilliepennington at fuse.net Tue Feb 4 03:21:08 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 22:21:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille In-Reply-To: References: <0N0G004AO7JXB9M0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <7543CCAB-A384-42E6-B076-CF41534A8C9D@fuse.net> That is interesting. I am. Sort of picturing this as texting in Braille. I am kind of interested in learning this now. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2014, at 9:33 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > My TVI spent a lot of time teaching me Grade 3 Braille in middle > school. I learned it and then rapidly forgot it. Thing is, you don't > see it in books or any other Brailled publications, and it's only > designed for personal shorthand. I don't really understand the purpose > of learning a formal code for shorthand when you can just make up your > own abbreviations. Seems the reason we memorize formal codes is so we > can read the materials that other people give us, like books. If > you're just writing notes for yourself why does it matter what symbols > you use? > I know my TVI meant well, but wonder how many under-resourced children > she could have taught Grade 1 and 2 Braille to using the time she > spent working with me on Grade 3. Seems that would have been a far > more productive use of her time. > > Arielle > >> On 2/3/14, David Andrews wrote: >> Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a Braille >> shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and nothing >> regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. >> >> Dave >> >> At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: >>> Hi All. >>> >>> I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training >>> centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. >>> I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. >>> So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this >>> works? Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing >>> about it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, >>> more contractions then grade 2 braille uses? >>> I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, >>> because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was >>> in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've >>> learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I >>> have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and >>> am therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. >>> Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my >>> music school. >>> I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Sami. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From colorado.students at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 05:08:33 2014 From: colorado.students at gmail.com (colorado.students at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 22:08:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] DL Message-ID: Hello, has anyone ever taken a class online through D2L. I am having trouble reading the E-book I can get it open but is not able to navigate to the different pages. If you have any kind of advice please email me off the list at rozierantonio at gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Tue Feb 4 07:15:24 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 23:15:24 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille In-Reply-To: References: <0N0G004AO7JXB9M0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140203231236.02171a60@comcast.net> Hi, Sami, Grade 3 is even more deeply contracted than is Grade 2 and is used primarily for personal correspondence and notetaking purposes. Learn it if you can! for today, Car 408-209-3239 as far as I know is used for personal correspondence and notetaking a syAt 06:23 PM 2/3/2014, David Andrews wrote: >Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a >Braille shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and >nothing regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. > >Dave > >At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: >>Hi All. >> >>I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training >>centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. >>I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. >>So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this >>works? Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm >>hereing about it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, >>say, more contractions then grade 2 braille uses? >>I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about >>it, because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since >>I was in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think >>I've learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, >>but I have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can >>remember, and am therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. >>Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at >>my music school. >>I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. >>Thanks. >> >>Sami. > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From theweird1 at mediacombb.net Tue Feb 4 08:17:59 2014 From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 02:17:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140203231236.02171a60@comcast.net> References: <0N0G004AO7JXB9M0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20140203231236.02171a60@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003601cf2181$9e08fa40$da1aeec0$@mediacombb.net> T does come in handy. I know some of it, and my wife knows quite a bit. There use to be a course from Hadley that you could take and learn grade III. Loren -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:15 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille Hi, Sami, Grade 3 is even more deeply contracted than is Grade 2 and is used primarily for personal correspondence and notetaking purposes. Learn it if you can! for today, Car 408-209-3239 as far as I know is used for personal correspondence and notetaking a syAt 06:23 PM 2/3/2014, David Andrews wrote: >Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a Braille >shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and nothing >regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. > >Dave > >At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: >>Hi All. >> >>I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training >>centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. >>I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. >>So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this works? >>Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing about >>it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, more >>contractions then grade 2 braille uses? >>I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, >>because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was >>in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've >>learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I >>have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and am >>therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. >>Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my >>music school. >>I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. >>Thanks. >> >>Sami. > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n et From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 14:53:21 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 08:53:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille In-Reply-To: <003601cf2181$9e08fa40$da1aeec0$@mediacombb.net> References: <0N0G004AO7JXB9M0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20140203231236.02171a60@comcast.net> <003601cf2181$9e08fa40$da1aeec0$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: I will echo what has already been said here--it is a more contracted version of grade 2. I learned a little of it in 7th grade, but never used it. I honestly wonder if anyone does use it. I don't know anyone who does. Lillie, it's not exactly like texting in braille. It's more like shorthand. Before computers were as easily available as they are now, secretaries and court stenographers learned a system of writing called shorthand. Basically, it was a system of symbols, like grade two braille, that would be substituted for letters. For example, if you were sighted and taking minutes for a meeting, as you do for OABS, you might use shorthand. It's different than texting shorthand because it actually uses symbols like grade two braille uses contractions. Grade three braille is basically contracted contractions. I believe I still have a book at my mother's house somewhere that has the grade three code. If your really curious, I can get it and give it to you. Ryan On 2/4/14, Loren Wakefield wrote: > T does come in handy. I know some of it, and my wife knows quite a bit. > There use to be a course from Hadley that you could take and learn grade > III. > > Loren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly > Mihalakis > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:15 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National > Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille > > > Hi, Sami, > > Grade 3 is even more deeply contracted than is Grade 2 and is > used > primarily for personal correspondence and notetaking purposes. Learn it if > you can! > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > as far as I know is used for personal correspondence and notetaking a syAt > 06:23 PM 2/3/2014, David Andrews wrote: >>Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a Braille >>shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and nothing >>regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. >> >>Dave >> >>At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: >>>Hi All. >>> >>>I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training >>>centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. >>>I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. >>>So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this works? >>>Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing about >>>it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, more >>>contractions then grade 2 braille uses? >>>I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, >>>because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was >>>in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've >>>learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I >>>have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and am >>>therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. >>>Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my >>>music school. >>>I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. >>>Thanks. >>> >>>Sami. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >>net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n > et > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 15:11:37 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 10:11:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille In-Reply-To: References: <0N0G004AO7JXB9M0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20140203231236.02171a60@comcast.net> <003601cf2181$9e08fa40$da1aeec0$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: Has anyone seen anything which has been transcribed in Grade 3? It might be something interesting to learn, but to my knowledge there is little use for it other than for training purposes. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > > I will echo what has already been said here--it is a more contracted > version of grade 2. I learned a little of it in 7th grade, but never > used it. I honestly wonder if anyone does use it. I don't know > anyone who does. Lillie, it's not exactly like texting in braille. > It's more like shorthand. Before computers were as easily available > as they are now, secretaries and court stenographers learned a system > of writing called shorthand. Basically, it was a system of symbols, > like grade two braille, that would be substituted for letters. For > example, if you were sighted and taking minutes for a meeting, as you > do for OABS, you might use shorthand. It's different than texting > shorthand because it actually uses symbols like grade two braille uses > contractions. Grade three braille is basically contracted > contractions. I believe I still have a book at my mother's house > somewhere that has the grade three code. If your really curious, I > can get it and give it to you. > > Ryan > >> On 2/4/14, Loren Wakefield wrote: >> T does come in handy. I know some of it, and my wife knows quite a bit. >> There use to be a course from Hadley that you could take and learn grade >> III. >> >> Loren >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly >> Mihalakis >> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:15 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National >> Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille >> >> >> Hi, Sami, >> >> Grade 3 is even more deeply contracted than is Grade 2 and is >> used >> primarily for personal correspondence and notetaking purposes. Learn it if >> you can! >> for today, Car >> 408-209-3239 >> >> as far as I know is used for personal correspondence and notetaking a syAt >> 06:23 PM 2/3/2014, David Andrews wrote: >>> Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a Braille >>> shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and nothing >>> regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: >>>> Hi All. >>>> >>>> I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training >>>> centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. >>>> I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. >>>> So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this works? >>>> Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing about >>>> it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, more >>>> contractions then grade 2 braille uses? >>>> I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, >>>> because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was >>>> in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've >>>> learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I >>>> have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and am >>>> therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. >>>> Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my >>>> music school. >>>> I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Sami. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >>> net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n >> et >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > > -- > Ryan L. 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Collaboration to Promote Self-Determination | 1667 K Street NW | Suite 640| Washington | DC | 20006 From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 15:26:07 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 09:26:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille In-Reply-To: References: <0N0G004AO7JXB9M0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20140203231236.02171a60@comcast.net> <003601cf2181$9e08fa40$da1aeec0$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: As has already been said, grade three isn't used for publication. Not much material is actually transcribed into grade three. It's really only used for personal note taking, so you'd be hard pressed to find anything transcribed except for the actual book that has the grade three braille code. On 2/4/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Has anyone seen anything which has been transcribed in Grade 3? It might be > something interesting to learn, but to my knowledge there is little use for > it other than for training purposes. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Ryan Silveira >> wrote: >> >> I will echo what has already been said here--it is a more contracted >> version of grade 2. I learned a little of it in 7th grade, but never >> used it. I honestly wonder if anyone does use it. I don't know >> anyone who does. Lillie, it's not exactly like texting in braille. >> It's more like shorthand. Before computers were as easily available >> as they are now, secretaries and court stenographers learned a system >> of writing called shorthand. Basically, it was a system of symbols, >> like grade two braille, that would be substituted for letters. For >> example, if you were sighted and taking minutes for a meeting, as you >> do for OABS, you might use shorthand. It's different than texting >> shorthand because it actually uses symbols like grade two braille uses >> contractions. Grade three braille is basically contracted >> contractions. I believe I still have a book at my mother's house >> somewhere that has the grade three code. If your really curious, I >> can get it and give it to you. >> >> Ryan >> >>> On 2/4/14, Loren Wakefield wrote: >>> T does come in handy. I know some of it, and my wife knows quite a bit. >>> There use to be a course from Hadley that you could take and learn grade >>> III. >>> >>> Loren >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly >>> Mihalakis >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:15 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National >>> Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille >>> >>> >>> Hi, Sami, >>> >>> Grade 3 is even more deeply contracted than is Grade 2 and is >>> used >>> primarily for personal correspondence and notetaking purposes. Learn it >>> if >>> you can! >>> for today, Car >>> 408-209-3239 >>> >>> as far as I know is used for personal correspondence and notetaking a >>> syAt >>> 06:23 PM 2/3/2014, David Andrews wrote: >>>> Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a Braille >>>> shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and nothing >>>> regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: >>>>> Hi All. >>>>> >>>>> I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training >>>>> centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. >>>>> I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. >>>>> So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this works? >>>>> Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing about >>>>> it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, more >>>>> contractions then grade 2 braille uses? >>>>> I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, >>>>> because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was >>>>> in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've >>>>> learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I >>>>> have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and am >>>>> therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. >>>>> Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my >>>>> music school. >>>>> I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Sami. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >>>> net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n >>> et >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From carlymih at comcast.net Tue Feb 4 17:12:29 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:12:29 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille In-Reply-To: References: <0N0G004AO7JXB9M0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20140203231236.02171a60@comcast.net> <003601cf2181$9e08fa40$da1aeec0$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140204091010.021b6788@comcast.net> Good morning, Chris, Have you ever heard of people's corresponding personally, perhaps taking a few notes on what they learn? braille need not be strictly utilitarian, you know.At 07:11 AM 2/4/2014, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >Has anyone seen anything which has been transcribed in Grade 3? It >might be something interesting to learn, but to my knowledge there >is little use for it other than for training purposes. > >Chris Nusbaum > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Ryan Silveira > wrote: > > > > I will echo what has already been said here--it is a more contracted > > version of grade 2. I learned a little of it in 7th grade, but never > > used it. I honestly wonder if anyone does use it. I don't know > > anyone who does. Lillie, it's not exactly like texting in braille. > > It's more like shorthand. Before computers were as easily available > > as they are now, secretaries and court stenographers learned a system > > of writing called shorthand. Basically, it was a system of symbols, > > like grade two braille, that would be substituted for letters. For > > example, if you were sighted and taking minutes for a meeting, as you > > do for OABS, you might use shorthand. It's different than texting > > shorthand because it actually uses symbols like grade two braille uses > > contractions. Grade three braille is basically contracted > > contractions. I believe I still have a book at my mother's house > > somewhere that has the grade three code. If your really curious, I > > can get it and give it to you. > > > > Ryan > > > >> On 2/4/14, Loren Wakefield wrote: > >> T does come in handy. I know some of it, and my wife knows quite a bit. > >> There use to be a course from Hadley that you could take and learn grade > >> III. > >> > >> Loren > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly > >> Mihalakis > >> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:15 AM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National > >> Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille > >> > >> > >> Hi, Sami, > >> > >> Grade 3 is even more deeply contracted than is Grade 2 and is > >> used > >> primarily for personal correspondence and notetaking purposes. Learn it if > >> you can! > >> for today, Car > >> 408-209-3239 > >> > >> as far as I know is used for personal correspondence and > notetaking a syAt > >> 06:23 PM 2/3/2014, David Andrews wrote: > >>> Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a Braille > >>> shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and nothing > >>> regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. > >>> > >>> Dave > >>> > >>> At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: > >>>> Hi All. > >>>> > >>>> I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training > >>>> centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. > >>>> I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. > >>>> So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this works? > >>>> Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing about > >>>> it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, more > >>>> contractions then grade 2 braille uses? > >>>> I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, > >>>> because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was > >>>> in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've > >>>> learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I > >>>> have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and am > >>>> therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. > >>>> Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my > >>>> music school. > >>>> I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. > >>>> Thanks. > >>>> > >>>> Sami. > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. > >>> net > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n > >> et > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > > > > > -- > > Ryan L. Silveira > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From lissa1531 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 17:40:43 2014 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 10:40:43 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com><8D05B64C6FD64074B28D5A2FED52A4D2@OwnerPC><62B27E339C46441FBAB66901AAA83886@HP30910210001> <82FF477778E04F0AB9175C8BC3CE2ECB@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <2A8E6751D1E544D59623C17B0B852C6E@HP30910210001> I learned about scripts and different programs. I learned a lot to keep me challenged and I was also eager to try new things as well. they teach everything now at the centers. I liked the fact that we were encouraged to know how to use a slate, and other low-tech devices. I think that is very important. Best, Melissa R Green Hold fast to dreams, For if dreams die Life is a broken-winged bird, That cannot fly. Langston Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Melissa, So what did you learn in technology class then? I've seen you on lists a long time, so I know you already have the typing skills and ability to send and read email. So, I'm assuming you were an advanced student in the computer/technology area. Did you learn about the internet or blogs? Do nfb centers teach apple products or tablets? I was curious as I hear mainly about learning windows computer skills and now a days there's more device than just pcs. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: melissa Green Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers they also now offer lots of time to practice things like your graduation meals. You also get to do final projects. At least that is how colorado works. I agree with arielle. YOu do get to do some more challenging things when you have skills in braille and tech. I loved that because I got to read lots of nfb literature and discuss it with the braille instructor or challenge my classmates to speed reading and writing competitions. Best, Melissa R Green Hold fast to dreams, For if dreams die Life is a broken-winged bird, That cannot fly. Langston Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Kelsey, NFB centers offer a core set of classes and you take all of them till you test out of them. The classes are braille, cane travel, home management, technology, indust5rial arts and seminar of blindness. In braille they would tell you to learn the slate and stylus and improve your reading speed; if you have technology skills, I think they try to teach more advanced skills such as using the internet and excel. I did not attend a center, but this is what I've heard from many students. You do take all classes. Cane travel and home management are double periods, meaning 2 hours; braille and technology are one hour each. The centers offer job readiness classes, but I think this is after you test out of one class making room Ii n your schedule. Oh most importantly, the state vr agency you use should pay your training. Your vr counselor should honor your informed choice, and if she does not, you can get an nfb advocate involved. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 9:32 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Hello, It seems that in so much of the Nfb's literature, people talk about nfb training centers. I recently graduated college and still live at home to save money (my sister does too.) I did attend a training program in high school, but it was a six week program only and they would not let us leave the building alone because the hall directors felt that the area was not safe for us. The only trips we took were as a group and with the staff. At times, those of us who were totally blind were allowed to go sighted guide on field trips. Therefore, I am teasing with the idea of experiencing an nfb training center, but the problem is that I cannot dish out $7,000 right now due to my student loans. Is there financial aid available to nfb members who want to attend a training center? I am a member at large, so does that make a difference? I am pretty good in some areas but others not so much. For example, mobility is definitely not a strength. I still end up going sighted guide with family and friends except for interviews. Even then, I am still hesitant to go to unfamiliar places independently. Can a training center help with that? I have a pretty solid foundation in the use of JAWS with using the Internet, microsvt office, etc. I also use a Braille note as a notetaker. Given this foundation, would I still receive technology training? If I would, could it be more recreational in nature, such as learning to navigate facebook using JAWS or learning to use itunes ineependently so I can manage my ipod independently or learning voiceover so I could use an ipad or iphone? My family all have smartphones and ipads except my grandma and I who still have basic phones. Sometimes when I'm out with my mom and her phone rings and she is not availth', I can't answer her phone for her because I can't see the screen? I tried voiceover once, but I could not get the conang of the gestures, so I gave up. My Braille skills are very good. I read contracted Braille as my primary Braille grade and was salf-taught music Braille. I'm not as confident in my music Braille abilities though. I can use the microwave pretty well since that's what I used in my dorm at college, but all the buttons were labeled in Braille. However, I am not comfortable with using the stove or oven nor do I trust myself using any kind of knife, even to cut food at a meal. I still have to ask for help with this task. Therefore, based on the information I have provided, what would a training center be able to offer me? Will they reteach me something I already know or are new students tested on what they arl know? How is this done? Do they sit you down and ask you questions or is it hands-on where you are asked to perform a given task? When I attended the training program, they just sat down and asked a bunch of questions that had yes or no answers, they did not test our profficiency at all, it was just Do you know how to d.... Sorry for so many questions, but I wadt to know as much as possible at the programs offered at these training centers and how they could be of benefit to me now. Thanks, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 17:42:09 2014 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 10:42:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I agree. I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. all the while increasing my speed. Best, Melissa R Green Hold fast to dreams, For if dreams die Life is a broken-winged bird, That cannot fly. Langston Hughes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Hi Lillie, For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on slate and stylus work. Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity to read some fun Braille books! Arielle On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the > Braille > aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to increase > that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code pretty > much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music skills > are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do for > me. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >> wrote: >> >> Hi Kelsey, >> >> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. >> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >> center. >> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I >> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a >> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct >> the problem a lot faster. >> >> Best, >> Arielle >> >>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB >>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if you >>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to get >>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct you >>> to >>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I'll do >>> my >>> best to assist. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 18:52:12 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 10:52:12 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder : NABS Bulletin Submission Requests. Message-ID: <7889DBF8-24C3-463F-AEE3-749BA53027F1@gmail.com> From the communications committee: Dear Friends, Your NABS Communications Committee is excited to be bringing back the monthly NABS Bulletin! In order for this to be a success though, we need your help. If your state has anything exciting to report, please email it to me so we can included it in our monthly update. Our goal is to have the first installment to the 2014 NABS Bulletin out by Feb. 9, so please send me your state updates no later than Feb. 5 to be included. If you have any other questions about the update, or about the communications committee in general, please feel free to email Bre Brown or me off-list. Looking forward to hearing about all the exciting things our state student divisions are doing! ...Gabe Gabe Cazares Phone: 281-965-9583 Twitter: @gmcazares “Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.”-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From trillian551 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 18:56:12 2014 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 13:56:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder : NABS Bulletin Submission Requests. In-Reply-To: <7889DBF8-24C3-463F-AEE3-749BA53027F1@gmail.com> References: <7889DBF8-24C3-463F-AEE3-749BA53027F1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Please include Gabe's email address, as this might make it easier for everyone. Thanks. Mary On 2/4/14, Darian Smith wrote: > From the communications committee: > Dear Friends, > Your NABS Communications Committee is excited to be bringing back the > monthly NABS Bulletin! In order for this to be a success though, we need > your help. If your state has anything exciting to report, please email it to > me so we can included it in our monthly update. Our goal is to have the > first installment to the 2014 NABS Bulletin out by Feb. 9, so please send me > your state updates no later than Feb. 5 to be included. > If you have any other questions about the update, or about the > communications committee in general, please feel free to email Bre Brown or > me off-list. > Looking forward to hearing about all the exciting things our state student > divisions are doing! > > ...Gabe > > Gabe Cazares > Phone: 281-965-9583 > Twitter: @gmcazares > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that > matter."-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr > > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call >> 1-855-659-9314 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." -- Maya Angelou From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 18:56:50 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 12:56:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have not attended an NFB training center myself, but I did go to World Services for the Blind. Despite their rather lax attitude regarding the poor residential life situation, their training is fairly good. Like the NFB centers, they will evaluate your skills and assist you wherever you need the most work. Kelsey, you mentioned going to a six-week training program in high school where you felt you really were not given a lot of independence. Misty, you were right--they did keep you on a short leash because you were a minor. I'm not sure about CCB and LCB, but I believe they opperate similarly to World Services for the Blind in that, for the adults, once the official day is over, you are free to go wherever you please whenever you please as long as you sign out at the housing desk when you leave and sign in when you return. From what I have heard, the NFB centers pretty much do the same thing. On 2/4/14, melissa Green wrote: > I agree. > I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. > all the while increasing my speed. > > Best, > Melissa R Green > Hold fast to dreams, > For if dreams die > Life is a broken-winged bird, > That cannot fly. > Langston Hughes > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers > > > Hi Lillie, > > For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading > speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to > increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you > practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing > speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on > slate and stylus work. > Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity > to read some fun Braille books! > Arielle > > On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >> Braille >> aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to increase >> that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code >> pretty >> much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music >> skills >> are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do for >> me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Kelsey, >>> >>> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >>> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >>> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >>> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >>> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >>> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >>> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >>> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >>> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >>> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >>> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >>> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. >>> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >>> center. >>> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >>> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >>> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I >>> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >>> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a >>> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >>> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >>> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >>> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct >>> the problem a lot faster. >>> >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB >>>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if >>>> you >>>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to get >>>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct >>>> you >>>> to >>>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I'll >>>> do >>>> my >>>> best to assist. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Feb 4 19:02:41 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:02:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ryan, yes, at wsb and nfb centers you can go out after class. But at nfb centers, there's not a sign out policy. Most centers let you do anything after classes. Its your time. At our state center, they had you sign in and out as well. This is important for liability since the state Ii s responsibility for you. so in emergencies or fire drills, they do a head count, and they need to know who is not at campus so the sign in/out policy is there. Every center is different in their rules on leaving campus, so this is something to consider before going to one. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers I have not attended an NFB training center myself, but I did go to World Services for the Blind. Despite their rather lax attitude regarding the poor residential life situation, their training is fairly good. Like the NFB centers, they will evaluate your skills and assist you wherever you need the most work. Kelsey, you mentioned going to a six-week training program in high school where you felt you really were not given a lot of independence. Misty, you were right--they did keep you on a short leash because you were a minor. I'm not sure about CCB and LCB, but I believe they opperate similarly to World Services for the Blind in that, for the adults, once the official day is over, you are free to go wherever you please whenever you please as long as you sign out at the housing desk when you leave and sign in when you return. From what I have heard, the NFB centers pretty much do the same thing. On 2/4/14, melissa Green wrote: > I agree. > I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. > all the while increasing my speed. > > Best, > Melissa R Green > Hold fast to dreams, > For if dreams die > Life is a broken-winged bird, > That cannot fly. > Langston Hughes > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers > > > Hi Lillie, > > For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading > speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to > increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you > practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing > speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on > slate and stylus work. > Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity > to read some fun Braille books! > Arielle > > On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >> Braille >> aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to increase >> that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code >> pretty >> much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music >> skills >> are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do for >> me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Kelsey, >>> >>> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >>> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >>> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >>> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >>> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >>> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >>> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >>> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >>> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >>> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >>> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >>> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. >>> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >>> center. >>> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >>> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >>> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I >>> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >>> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a >>> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >>> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >>> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >>> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct >>> the problem a lot faster. >>> >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB >>>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if >>>> you >>>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to get >>>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct >>>> you >>>> to >>>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I'll >>>> do >>>> my >>>> best to assist. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 19:14:38 2014 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 12:14:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ashley, I went to a state center, one of the better ones I think, and never had to sign in and out when I left. I'm just thinking how inconvenient that would have been for those 3 AM trips to denny's that I occasionally took when I felt the urge. :-) Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > > Ryan, > yes, at wsb and nfb centers you can go out after class. But at nfb centers, there's not a sign out policy. > Most centers let you do anything after classes. Its your time. At our state center, they had you sign in and out as well. This is important for liability since the state Ii s responsibility for you. so in emergencies or fire drills, they do a head count, and they need to know who is not at campus so the sign in/out policy is there. > Every center is different in their rules on leaving campus, so this is something to consider before going to one. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:56 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers > > I have not attended an NFB training center myself, but I did go to > World Services for the Blind. Despite their rather lax attitude > regarding the poor residential life situation, their training is > fairly good. Like the NFB centers, they will evaluate your skills and > assist you wherever you need the most work. Kelsey, you mentioned > going to a six-week training program in high school where you felt you > really were not given a lot of independence. Misty, you were > right--they did keep you on a short leash because you were a minor. > I'm not sure about CCB and LCB, but I believe they opperate similarly > to World Services for the Blind in that, for the adults, once the > official day is over, you are free to go wherever you please whenever > you please as long as you sign out at the housing desk when you leave > and sign in when you return. From what I have heard, the NFB centers > pretty much do the same thing. > >> On 2/4/14, melissa Green wrote: >> I agree. >> I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. >> all the while increasing my speed. >> >> Best, >> Melissa R Green >> Hold fast to dreams, >> For if dreams die >> Life is a broken-winged bird, >> That cannot fly. >> Langston Hughes >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >> >> >> Hi Lillie, >> >> For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading >> speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to >> increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you >> practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing >> speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on >> slate and stylus work. >> Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity >> to read some fun Braille books! >> Arielle >> >>> On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>> I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >>> Braille >>> aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to increase >>> that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code >>> pretty >>> much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music >>> skills >>> are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do for >>> me. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Kelsey, >>>> >>>> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >>>> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >>>> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >>>> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >>>> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >>>> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >>>> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >>>> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >>>> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >>>> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >>>> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >>>> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. >>>> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >>>> center. >>>> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >>>> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >>>> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I >>>> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >>>> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a >>>> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >>>> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >>>> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >>>> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct >>>> the problem a lot faster. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB >>>>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>>>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if >>>>> you >>>>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>>>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to get >>>>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct >>>>> you >>>>> to >>>>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>>>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I'll >>>>> do >>>>> my >>>>> best to assist. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 19:20:25 2014 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 12:20:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I would personally find a sign in/out process to be demeaning, and counter to the notion of equality and independence. If I am over 18 and enrolled voluntarily at a center, the center isn't responsible for me. I am responsible for me. I appreciate that the NFB centers seem to recognize this fact and respect the personhood of their students. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > > Ryan, > yes, at wsb and nfb centers you can go out after class. But at nfb centers, there's not a sign out policy. > Most centers let you do anything after classes. Its your time. At our state center, they had you sign in and out as well. This is important for liability since the state Ii s responsibility for you. so in emergencies or fire drills, they do a head count, and they need to know who is not at campus so the sign in/out policy is there. > Every center is different in their rules on leaving campus, so this is something to consider before going to one. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:56 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers > > I have not attended an NFB training center myself, but I did go to > World Services for the Blind. Despite their rather lax attitude > regarding the poor residential life situation, their training is > fairly good. Like the NFB centers, they will evaluate your skills and > assist you wherever you need the most work. Kelsey, you mentioned > going to a six-week training program in high school where you felt you > really were not given a lot of independence. Misty, you were > right--they did keep you on a short leash because you were a minor. > I'm not sure about CCB and LCB, but I believe they opperate similarly > to World Services for the Blind in that, for the adults, once the > official day is over, you are free to go wherever you please whenever > you please as long as you sign out at the housing desk when you leave > and sign in when you return. From what I have heard, the NFB centers > pretty much do the same thing. > >> On 2/4/14, melissa Green wrote: >> I agree. >> I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. >> all the while increasing my speed. >> >> Best, >> Melissa R Green >> Hold fast to dreams, >> For if dreams die >> Life is a broken-winged bird, >> That cannot fly. >> Langston Hughes >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >> >> >> Hi Lillie, >> >> For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading >> speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to >> increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you >> practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing >> speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on >> slate and stylus work. >> Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity >> to read some fun Braille books! >> Arielle >> >>> On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>> I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >>> Braille >>> aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to increase >>> that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code >>> pretty >>> much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music >>> skills >>> are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do for >>> me. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Kelsey, >>>> >>>> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >>>> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >>>> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >>>> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >>>> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >>>> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >>>> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >>>> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >>>> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >>>> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >>>> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >>>> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. >>>> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >>>> center. >>>> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >>>> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >>>> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I >>>> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >>>> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a >>>> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >>>> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >>>> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >>>> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct >>>> the problem a lot faster. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB >>>>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>>>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if >>>>> you >>>>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>>>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to get >>>>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct >>>>> you >>>>> to >>>>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>>>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I'll >>>>> do >>>>> my >>>>> best to assist. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 19:21:24 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 12:21:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: There's an important difference between WSB and NFB centers. At WSB the students, even adults, live on campus. At NFB centers you live in an apartment with another student, off campus. This is part of the reason why signing in and out wasn't practical. If someone was gone for an extended period of time, that person's roommate and the residential manager would notice and investigate the situation. But if a student is just gone for a few hours, outside class time, it isn't critical for the student's whereabouts to be known. Students living in college dorms don't have to sign in and out either, unless they are leaving for several days. NFB centers treat the students like adults just as college dorms do. I think the apartment living is a critical reason why NFB centers provide superior training. You learn how to cook and clean for yourself, how to share space with another person, and how to commute between home and school, and practice those skills on a daily basis. Arielle On 2/4/14, Kirt wrote: > Ashley, > I went to a state center, one of the better ones I think, and never had to > sign in and out when I left. I'm just thinking how inconvenient that would > have been for those 3 AM trips to denny's that I occasionally took when I > felt the urge. :-) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >> wrote: >> >> Ryan, >> yes, at wsb and nfb centers you can go out after class. But at nfb >> centers, there's not a sign out policy. >> Most centers let you do anything after classes. Its your time. At our >> state center, they had you sign in and out as well. This is important for >> liability since the state Ii s responsibility for you. so in emergencies >> or fire drills, they do a head count, and they need to know who is not at >> campus so the sign in/out policy is there. >> Every center is different in their rules on leaving campus, so this is >> something to consider before going to one. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira >> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:56 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >> >> I have not attended an NFB training center myself, but I did go to >> World Services for the Blind. Despite their rather lax attitude >> regarding the poor residential life situation, their training is >> fairly good. Like the NFB centers, they will evaluate your skills and >> assist you wherever you need the most work. Kelsey, you mentioned >> going to a six-week training program in high school where you felt you >> really were not given a lot of independence. Misty, you were >> right--they did keep you on a short leash because you were a minor. >> I'm not sure about CCB and LCB, but I believe they opperate similarly >> to World Services for the Blind in that, for the adults, once the >> official day is over, you are free to go wherever you please whenever >> you please as long as you sign out at the housing desk when you leave >> and sign in when you return. From what I have heard, the NFB centers >> pretty much do the same thing. >> >>> On 2/4/14, melissa Green wrote: >>> I agree. >>> I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. >>> all the while increasing my speed. >>> >>> Best, >>> Melissa R Green >>> Hold fast to dreams, >>> For if dreams die >>> Life is a broken-winged bird, >>> That cannot fly. >>> Langston Hughes >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>> >>> >>> Hi Lillie, >>> >>> For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading >>> speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to >>> increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you >>> practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing >>> speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on >>> slate and stylus work. >>> Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity >>> to read some fun Braille books! >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>> I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >>>> Braille >>>> aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to >>>> increase >>>> that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code >>>> pretty >>>> much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music >>>> skills >>>> are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do for >>>> me. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Kelsey, >>>>> >>>>> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >>>>> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >>>>> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >>>>> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >>>>> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >>>>> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >>>>> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >>>>> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >>>>> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >>>>> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >>>>> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >>>>> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. >>>>> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >>>>> center. >>>>> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >>>>> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >>>>> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I >>>>> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >>>>> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a >>>>> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >>>>> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >>>>> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >>>>> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct >>>>> the problem a lot faster. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB >>>>>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>>>>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if >>>>>> you >>>>>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>>>>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to >>>>>> get >>>>>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct >>>>>> you >>>>>> to >>>>>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>>>>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I'll >>>>>> do >>>>>> my >>>>>> best to assist. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From mistydbradley at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 19:23:07 2014 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:23:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The state-run center in Texas also requires signing in and signing out. I don't think the NFB centers do this though, because, at least for the Colorado Center, their apartments are located off campus rather than having dorms on campus, so it would probably be harder to have a sign-in and sign-out policy for after classes were over. Misty -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 2:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Ryan, yes, at wsb and nfb centers you can go out after class. But at nfb centers, there's not a sign out policy. Most centers let you do anything after classes. Its your time. At our state center, they had you sign in and out as well. This is important for liability since the state Ii s responsibility for you. so in emergencies or fire drills, they do a head count, and they need to know who is not at campus so the sign in/out policy is there. Every center is different in their rules on leaving campus, so this is something to consider before going to one. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers I have not attended an NFB training center myself, but I did go to World Services for the Blind. Despite their rather lax attitude regarding the poor residential life situation, their training is fairly good. Like the NFB centers, they will evaluate your skills and assist you wherever you need the most work. Kelsey, you mentioned going to a six-week training program in high school where you felt you really were not given a lot of independence. Misty, you were right--they did keep you on a short leash because you were a minor. I'm not sure about CCB and LCB, but I believe they opperate similarly to World Services for the Blind in that, for the adults, once the official day is over, you are free to go wherever you please whenever you please as long as you sign out at the housing desk when you leave and sign in when you return. From what I have heard, the NFB centers pretty much do the same thing. On 2/4/14, melissa Green wrote: > I agree. > I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. > all the while increasing my speed. > > Best, > Melissa R Green > Hold fast to dreams, > For if dreams die > Life is a broken-winged bird, > That cannot fly. > Langston Hughes > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers > > > Hi Lillie, > > For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading > speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to > increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you > practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing > speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on > slate and stylus work. > Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity > to read some fun Braille books! > Arielle > > On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >> Braille >> aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to increase >> that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code >> pretty >> much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music >> skills >> are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do for >> me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Kelsey, >>> >>> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >>> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >>> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >>> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >>> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >>> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >>> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >>> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >>> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >>> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >>> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >>> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. >>> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >>> center. >>> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >>> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >>> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I >>> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >>> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a >>> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >>> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >>> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >>> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct >>> the problem a lot faster. >>> >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB >>>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if >>>> you >>>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to get >>>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct >>>> you >>>> to >>>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I'll >>>> do >>>> my >>>> best to assist. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 19:49:54 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 14:49:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Re- Nfb Training Centers Message-ID: <52f14465.24a4ec0a.5142.46ba@mx.google.com> Dear Nabs Members, I hope you are all doing well. I've been reading the posts about the Nfb training centers and have decided to post my thoughts on this interesting topic. Kelsey, I think it is a great idea to attend an Nfb training center. Attached is a response to an email that I received last Summer. It describes what a typical day is like at an Nfb training center. I hope this information is useful to you all. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: A Typical Day at an NFB Training Center.docx Type: application/octet-stream Size: 26325 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Feb 4 19:53:26 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:53:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6BCEE8838BF54D10B13E9531688CEF5D@OwnerPC> Arielle, Right and I forgot to say that. For those that don't know, the apartments at nfb centers are separate from the building so you live off campus anyway. I did not find the policy at the center a problem. You have to walk right by the dorm office anyway to go out the main doors, so it did not seem inconvenient to do this. I actually felt our center in VA was more lax than some centers out there. We did not have a curphew or have to tell them when we'd come back. They did not ask any questions about our whereabouts either. I see why nfb centers do what they do though. They want to make it as independent a program as possible. I think the sad thing is people don't go off campus enough. I found this helpful to go exploring and shop for personal items. Students can go out to dinner if they wish but it seemed to me students would rather just stay on campus and eat the cafeteria food. Fortunately, I did get off once in a while to get restaurant food even if I was alone and enjoyed it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 2:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers There's an important difference between WSB and NFB centers. At WSB the students, even adults, live on campus. At NFB centers you live in an apartment with another student, off campus. This is part of the reason why signing in and out wasn't practical. If someone was gone for an extended period of time, that person's roommate and the residential manager would notice and investigate the situation. But if a student is just gone for a few hours, outside class time, it isn't critical for the student's whereabouts to be known. Students living in college dorms don't have to sign in and out either, unless they are leaving for several days. NFB centers treat the students like adults just as college dorms do. I think the apartment living is a critical reason why NFB centers provide superior training. You learn how to cook and clean for yourself, how to share space with another person, and how to commute between home and school, and practice those skills on a daily basis. Arielle On 2/4/14, Kirt wrote: > Ashley, > I went to a state center, one of the better ones I think, and never had to > sign in and out when I left. I'm just thinking how inconvenient that would > have been for those 3 AM trips to denny's that I occasionally took when I > felt the urge. :-) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >> >> wrote: >> >> Ryan, >> yes, at wsb and nfb centers you can go out after class. But at nfb >> centers, there's not a sign out policy. >> Most centers let you do anything after classes. Its your time. At our >> state center, they had you sign in and out as well. This is important for >> liability since the state Ii s responsibility for you. so in emergencies >> or fire drills, they do a head count, and they need to know who is not at >> campus so the sign in/out policy is there. >> Every center is different in their rules on leaving campus, so this is >> something to consider before going to one. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira >> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:56 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >> >> I have not attended an NFB training center myself, but I did go to >> World Services for the Blind. Despite their rather lax attitude >> regarding the poor residential life situation, their training is >> fairly good. Like the NFB centers, they will evaluate your skills and >> assist you wherever you need the most work. Kelsey, you mentioned >> going to a six-week training program in high school where you felt you >> really were not given a lot of independence. Misty, you were >> right--they did keep you on a short leash because you were a minor. >> I'm not sure about CCB and LCB, but I believe they opperate similarly >> to World Services for the Blind in that, for the adults, once the >> official day is over, you are free to go wherever you please whenever >> you please as long as you sign out at the housing desk when you leave >> and sign in when you return. From what I have heard, the NFB centers >> pretty much do the same thing. >> >>> On 2/4/14, melissa Green wrote: >>> I agree. >>> I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. >>> all the while increasing my speed. >>> >>> Best, >>> Melissa R Green >>> Hold fast to dreams, >>> For if dreams die >>> Life is a broken-winged bird, >>> That cannot fly. >>> Langston Hughes >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>> >>> >>> Hi Lillie, >>> >>> For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading >>> speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to >>> increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you >>> practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing >>> speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on >>> slate and stylus work. >>> Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity >>> to read some fun Braille books! >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>> I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >>>> Braille >>>> aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to >>>> increase >>>> that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code >>>> pretty >>>> much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music >>>> skills >>>> are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do for >>>> me. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Kelsey, >>>>> >>>>> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >>>>> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >>>>> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >>>>> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >>>>> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >>>>> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >>>>> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >>>>> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >>>>> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >>>>> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >>>>> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >>>>> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. >>>>> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >>>>> center. >>>>> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >>>>> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >>>>> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I >>>>> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >>>>> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a >>>>> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >>>>> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >>>>> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >>>>> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct >>>>> the problem a lot faster. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB >>>>>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>>>>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if >>>>>> you >>>>>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>>>>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to >>>>>> get >>>>>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct >>>>>> you >>>>>> to >>>>>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>>>>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I'll >>>>>> do >>>>>> my >>>>>> best to assist. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 20:13:19 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:13:19 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: <6BCEE8838BF54D10B13E9531688CEF5D@OwnerPC> References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> <6BCEE8838BF54D10B13E9531688CEF5D@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley, are you talking about the Richmond Center? I applied for a job there in the summer of 2012 and found them to be quite restrictive. That was also when they were doing the high school program, so perhaps it is different for adults. I did like the staff there--the director seems pretty good. Arielle and Jamie, I agree with you. I would have preferred not to have dealt with a sign in/out process. Actually, since the housing desk was often unmanned, I really didn't have to. It is, as you say, contrary to the notion of equality and independence. The only reason they did it was to be able to keep a headcount in case of an emergency. I had forgotten that the NFB centers do have apartments. I like that much better than living on campus. I will tell you, though, that I have experienced a sign in/out process in a college dorm. well, not exactly a sign-in/out process, but you did have to show your school ID to the RA or volunteer student on duty when you walked in the building. Ryan On 2/4/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Arielle, > Right and I forgot to say that. For those that don't know, the apartments at > > nfb centers are separate from the building so you live off campus anyway. > > I did not find the policy at the center a problem. You have to walk right by > > the dorm office anyway to go out the main doors, so it did not seem > inconvenient to do this. > I actually felt our center in VA was more lax than some centers out there. > We did not have a curphew or have to tell them when we'd come back. They did > > not ask any questions about our whereabouts either. > > I see why nfb centers do what they do though. They want to make it as > independent a program as possible. > I think the sad thing is people don't go off campus enough. I found this > helpful to go exploring and shop for personal items. Students can go out to > > dinner if they wish but it seemed to me students would rather just stay on > campus and eat the cafeteria food. Fortunately, I did get off once in a > while to get restaurant food even if I was alone and enjoyed it. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 2:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers > > There's an important difference between WSB and NFB centers. At WSB > the students, even adults, live on campus. At NFB centers you live in > an apartment with another student, off campus. This is part of the > reason why signing in and out wasn't practical. If someone was gone > for an extended period of time, that person's roommate and the > residential manager would notice and investigate the situation. But if > a student is just gone for a few hours, outside class time, it isn't > critical for the student's whereabouts to be known. Students living in > college dorms don't have to sign in and out either, unless they are > leaving for several days. NFB centers treat the students like adults > just as college dorms do. > I think the apartment living is a critical reason why NFB centers > provide superior training. You learn how to cook and clean for > yourself, how to share space with another person, and how to commute > between home and school, and practice those skills on a daily basis. > > Arielle > > On 2/4/14, Kirt wrote: >> Ashley, >> I went to a state center, one of the better ones I think, and never had >> to >> sign in and out when I left. I'm just thinking how inconvenient that >> would >> have been for those 3 AM trips to denny's that I occasionally took when I >> felt the urge. :-) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Ryan, >>> yes, at wsb and nfb centers you can go out after class. But at nfb >>> centers, there's not a sign out policy. >>> Most centers let you do anything after classes. Its your time. At our >>> state center, they had you sign in and out as well. This is important >>> for >>> liability since the state Ii s responsibility for you. so in emergencies >>> or fire drills, they do a head count, and they need to know who is not >>> at >>> campus so the sign in/out policy is there. >>> Every center is different in their rules on leaving campus, so this is >>> something to consider before going to one. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:56 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>> >>> I have not attended an NFB training center myself, but I did go to >>> World Services for the Blind. Despite their rather lax attitude >>> regarding the poor residential life situation, their training is >>> fairly good. Like the NFB centers, they will evaluate your skills and >>> assist you wherever you need the most work. Kelsey, you mentioned >>> going to a six-week training program in high school where you felt you >>> really were not given a lot of independence. Misty, you were >>> right--they did keep you on a short leash because you were a minor. >>> I'm not sure about CCB and LCB, but I believe they opperate similarly >>> to World Services for the Blind in that, for the adults, once the >>> official day is over, you are free to go wherever you please whenever >>> you please as long as you sign out at the housing desk when you leave >>> and sign in when you return. From what I have heard, the NFB centers >>> pretty much do the same thing. >>> >>>> On 2/4/14, melissa Green wrote: >>>> I agree. >>>> I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. >>>> all the while increasing my speed. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Melissa R Green >>>> Hold fast to dreams, >>>> For if dreams die >>>> Life is a broken-winged bird, >>>> That cannot fly. >>>> Langston Hughes >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Lillie, >>>> >>>> For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading >>>> speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to >>>> increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you >>>> practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing >>>> speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on >>>> slate and stylus work. >>>> Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity >>>> to read some fun Braille books! >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>>> I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >>>>> Braille >>>>> aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to >>>>> increase >>>>> that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code >>>>> pretty >>>>> much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music >>>>> skills >>>>> are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do >>>>> for >>>>> me. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Kelsey, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >>>>>> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >>>>>> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >>>>>> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >>>>>> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >>>>>> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >>>>>> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >>>>>> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >>>>>> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >>>>>> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >>>>>> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >>>>>> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play >>>>>> recordings. >>>>>> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >>>>>> center. >>>>>> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >>>>>> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >>>>>> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated >>>>>> I >>>>>> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >>>>>> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to >>>>>> a >>>>>> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >>>>>> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >>>>>> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >>>>>> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and >>>>>> correct >>>>>> the problem a lot faster. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Arielle >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>>>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our >>>>>>> NFB >>>>>>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>>>>>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>>>>>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>>>>>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and >>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> best to assist. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 20:24:15 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 13:24:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> <6BCEE8838BF54D10B13E9531688CEF5D@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I think the ID checking is different from signing in and out. The purpose of the ID check is to be sure that people entering the building actually live there or are authorized to be there. They don't actually keep track of who is going in or out, at least I don't think they are. Arielle On 2/4/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Ashley, are you talking about the Richmond Center? I applied for a > job there in the summer of 2012 and found them to be quite > restrictive. That was also when they were doing the high school > program, so perhaps it is different for adults. I did like the staff > there--the director seems pretty good. Arielle and Jamie, I agree > with you. I would have preferred not to have dealt with a sign in/out > process. Actually, since the housing desk was often unmanned, I > really didn't have to. It is, as you say, contrary to the notion of > equality and independence. The only reason they did it was to be able > to keep a headcount in case of an emergency. I had forgotten that the > NFB centers do have apartments. I like that much better than living > on campus. I will tell you, though, that I have experienced a sign > in/out process in a college dorm. well, not exactly a sign-in/out > process, but you did have to show your school ID to the RA or > volunteer student on duty when you walked in the building. > > Ryan > > On 2/4/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Arielle, >> Right and I forgot to say that. For those that don't know, the apartments >> at >> >> nfb centers are separate from the building so you live off campus anyway. >> >> I did not find the policy at the center a problem. You have to walk right >> by >> >> the dorm office anyway to go out the main doors, so it did not seem >> inconvenient to do this. >> I actually felt our center in VA was more lax than some centers out >> there. >> We did not have a curphew or have to tell them when we'd come back. They >> did >> >> not ask any questions about our whereabouts either. >> >> I see why nfb centers do what they do though. They want to make it as >> independent a program as possible. >> I think the sad thing is people don't go off campus enough. I found this >> helpful to go exploring and shop for personal items. Students can go out >> to >> >> dinner if they wish but it seemed to me students would rather just stay >> on >> campus and eat the cafeteria food. Fortunately, I did get off once in a >> while to get restaurant food even if I was alone and enjoyed it. >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 2:21 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >> >> There's an important difference between WSB and NFB centers. At WSB >> the students, even adults, live on campus. At NFB centers you live in >> an apartment with another student, off campus. This is part of the >> reason why signing in and out wasn't practical. If someone was gone >> for an extended period of time, that person's roommate and the >> residential manager would notice and investigate the situation. But if >> a student is just gone for a few hours, outside class time, it isn't >> critical for the student's whereabouts to be known. Students living in >> college dorms don't have to sign in and out either, unless they are >> leaving for several days. NFB centers treat the students like adults >> just as college dorms do. >> I think the apartment living is a critical reason why NFB centers >> provide superior training. You learn how to cook and clean for >> yourself, how to share space with another person, and how to commute >> between home and school, and practice those skills on a daily basis. >> >> Arielle >> >> On 2/4/14, Kirt wrote: >>> Ashley, >>> I went to a state center, one of the better ones I think, and never had >>> to >>> sign in and out when I left. I'm just thinking how inconvenient that >>> would >>> have been for those 3 AM trips to denny's that I occasionally took when >>> I >>> felt the urge. :-) >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ryan, >>>> yes, at wsb and nfb centers you can go out after class. But at nfb >>>> centers, there's not a sign out policy. >>>> Most centers let you do anything after classes. Its your time. At our >>>> state center, they had you sign in and out as well. This is important >>>> for >>>> liability since the state Ii s responsibility for you. so in >>>> emergencies >>>> or fire drills, they do a head count, and they need to know who is not >>>> at >>>> campus so the sign in/out policy is there. >>>> Every center is different in their rules on leaving campus, so this is >>>> something to consider before going to one. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:56 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>>> >>>> I have not attended an NFB training center myself, but I did go to >>>> World Services for the Blind. Despite their rather lax attitude >>>> regarding the poor residential life situation, their training is >>>> fairly good. Like the NFB centers, they will evaluate your skills and >>>> assist you wherever you need the most work. Kelsey, you mentioned >>>> going to a six-week training program in high school where you felt you >>>> really were not given a lot of independence. Misty, you were >>>> right--they did keep you on a short leash because you were a minor. >>>> I'm not sure about CCB and LCB, but I believe they opperate similarly >>>> to World Services for the Blind in that, for the adults, once the >>>> official day is over, you are free to go wherever you please whenever >>>> you please as long as you sign out at the housing desk when you leave >>>> and sign in when you return. From what I have heard, the NFB centers >>>> pretty much do the same thing. >>>> >>>>> On 2/4/14, melissa Green wrote: >>>>> I agree. >>>>> I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. >>>>> all the while increasing my speed. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Melissa R Green >>>>> Hold fast to dreams, >>>>> For if dreams die >>>>> Life is a broken-winged bird, >>>>> That cannot fly. >>>>> Langston Hughes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Lillie, >>>>> >>>>> For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading >>>>> speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to >>>>> increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you >>>>> practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing >>>>> speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on >>>>> slate and stylus work. >>>>> Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity >>>>> to read some fun Braille books! >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>>>> I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >>>>>> Braille >>>>>> aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to >>>>>> increase >>>>>> that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code >>>>>> pretty >>>>>> much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music >>>>>> skills >>>>>> are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do >>>>>> for >>>>>> me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Kelsey, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state >>>>>>> you're >>>>>>> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >>>>>>> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a >>>>>>> great >>>>>>> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >>>>>>> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >>>>>>> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >>>>>>> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >>>>>>> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >>>>>>> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >>>>>>> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play >>>>>>> recordings. >>>>>>> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >>>>>>> center. >>>>>>> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >>>>>>> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility >>>>>>> skills >>>>>>> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >>>>>>> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >>>>>>> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >>>>>>> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and >>>>>>> correct >>>>>>> the problem a lot faster. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our >>>>>>>> NFB >>>>>>>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>>>>>>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>>>>>>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>>>>>>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and >>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> best to assist. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 20:56:18 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 14:56:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> <6BCEE8838BF54D10B13E9531688CEF5D@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Fair point, Arielle. They did not keep track of who was going in and out. Are the apartments at the NFB centers actually off campus or are they still on the campus, but in a different building? I mean, are they similar to the on-campus apartments in college or do you actually have to commute from the apartment to the center and back on a daily basis? Do the NFB centers provide anywhere to eat on campus during the day so one doesn't have to traipse back and forth multiple times a day? On 2/4/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: > I think the ID checking is different from signing in and out. The > purpose of the ID check is to be sure that people entering the > building actually live there or are authorized to be there. They don't > actually keep track of who is going in or out, at least I don't think > they are. > > Arielle > > On 2/4/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> Ashley, are you talking about the Richmond Center? I applied for a >> job there in the summer of 2012 and found them to be quite >> restrictive. That was also when they were doing the high school >> program, so perhaps it is different for adults. I did like the staff >> there--the director seems pretty good. Arielle and Jamie, I agree >> with you. I would have preferred not to have dealt with a sign in/out >> process. Actually, since the housing desk was often unmanned, I >> really didn't have to. It is, as you say, contrary to the notion of >> equality and independence. The only reason they did it was to be able >> to keep a headcount in case of an emergency. I had forgotten that the >> NFB centers do have apartments. I like that much better than living >> on campus. I will tell you, though, that I have experienced a sign >> in/out process in a college dorm. well, not exactly a sign-in/out >> process, but you did have to show your school ID to the RA or >> volunteer student on duty when you walked in the building. >> >> Ryan >> >> On 2/4/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Arielle, >>> Right and I forgot to say that. For those that don't know, the >>> apartments >>> at >>> >>> nfb centers are separate from the building so you live off campus >>> anyway. >>> >>> I did not find the policy at the center a problem. You have to walk >>> right >>> by >>> >>> the dorm office anyway to go out the main doors, so it did not seem >>> inconvenient to do this. >>> I actually felt our center in VA was more lax than some centers out >>> there. >>> We did not have a curphew or have to tell them when we'd come back. They >>> did >>> >>> not ask any questions about our whereabouts either. >>> >>> I see why nfb centers do what they do though. They want to make it as >>> independent a program as possible. >>> I think the sad thing is people don't go off campus enough. I found this >>> helpful to go exploring and shop for personal items. Students can go out >>> to >>> >>> dinner if they wish but it seemed to me students would rather just stay >>> on >>> campus and eat the cafeteria food. Fortunately, I did get off once in a >>> while to get restaurant food even if I was alone and enjoyed it. >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 2:21 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>> >>> There's an important difference between WSB and NFB centers. At WSB >>> the students, even adults, live on campus. At NFB centers you live in >>> an apartment with another student, off campus. This is part of the >>> reason why signing in and out wasn't practical. If someone was gone >>> for an extended period of time, that person's roommate and the >>> residential manager would notice and investigate the situation. But if >>> a student is just gone for a few hours, outside class time, it isn't >>> critical for the student's whereabouts to be known. Students living in >>> college dorms don't have to sign in and out either, unless they are >>> leaving for several days. NFB centers treat the students like adults >>> just as college dorms do. >>> I think the apartment living is a critical reason why NFB centers >>> provide superior training. You learn how to cook and clean for >>> yourself, how to share space with another person, and how to commute >>> between home and school, and practice those skills on a daily basis. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 2/4/14, Kirt wrote: >>>> Ashley, >>>> I went to a state center, one of the better ones I think, and never had >>>> to >>>> sign in and out when I left. I'm just thinking how inconvenient that >>>> would >>>> have been for those 3 AM trips to denny's that I occasionally took when >>>> I >>>> felt the urge. :-) >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ryan, >>>>> yes, at wsb and nfb centers you can go out after class. But at nfb >>>>> centers, there's not a sign out policy. >>>>> Most centers let you do anything after classes. Its your time. At our >>>>> state center, they had you sign in and out as well. This is important >>>>> for >>>>> liability since the state Ii s responsibility for you. so in >>>>> emergencies >>>>> or fire drills, they do a head count, and they need to know who is not >>>>> at >>>>> campus so the sign in/out policy is there. >>>>> Every center is different in their rules on leaving campus, so this is >>>>> something to consider before going to one. >>>>> >>>>> Ashley >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:56 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>>>> >>>>> I have not attended an NFB training center myself, but I did go to >>>>> World Services for the Blind. Despite their rather lax attitude >>>>> regarding the poor residential life situation, their training is >>>>> fairly good. Like the NFB centers, they will evaluate your skills and >>>>> assist you wherever you need the most work. Kelsey, you mentioned >>>>> going to a six-week training program in high school where you felt you >>>>> really were not given a lot of independence. Misty, you were >>>>> right--they did keep you on a short leash because you were a minor. >>>>> I'm not sure about CCB and LCB, but I believe they opperate similarly >>>>> to World Services for the Blind in that, for the adults, once the >>>>> official day is over, you are free to go wherever you please whenever >>>>> you please as long as you sign out at the housing desk when you leave >>>>> and sign in when you return. From what I have heard, the NFB centers >>>>> pretty much do the same thing. >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/4/14, melissa Green wrote: >>>>>> I agree. >>>>>> I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. >>>>>> all the while increasing my speed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Melissa R Green >>>>>> Hold fast to dreams, >>>>>> For if dreams die >>>>>> Life is a broken-winged bird, >>>>>> That cannot fly. >>>>>> Langston Hughes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Lillie, >>>>>> >>>>>> For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading >>>>>> speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to >>>>>> increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you >>>>>> practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing >>>>>> speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on >>>>>> slate and stylus work. >>>>>> Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity >>>>>> to read some fun Braille books! >>>>>> Arielle >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>>>>> I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>> aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to >>>>>>> increase >>>>>>> that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code >>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>> much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music >>>>>>> skills >>>>>>> are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Kelsey, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state >>>>>>>> you're >>>>>>>> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >>>>>>>> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a >>>>>>>> great >>>>>>>> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >>>>>>>> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >>>>>>>> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >>>>>>>> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >>>>>>>> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >>>>>>>> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play >>>>>>>> recordings. >>>>>>>> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >>>>>>>> center. >>>>>>>> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >>>>>>>> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility >>>>>>>> skills >>>>>>>> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I >>>>>>>> graduated >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >>>>>>>> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >>>>>>>> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >>>>>>>> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and >>>>>>>> correct >>>>>>>> the problem a lot faster. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our >>>>>>>>> NFB >>>>>>>>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>>>>>>>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>>>>>>>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and >>>>>>>>> direct >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>>>>>>>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and >>>>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> best to assist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 21:21:22 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 16:21:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Message-ID: <52f159d5.2510ec0a.2328.ffffd74d@mx.google.com> Hi Ryan my name is Roanna Bacchus. The apartments at the Nfb centers are off campus in a separate building. I would encourage anyone thinking about going to an Nfb training center to read the reports that were published in the May 2007 October 228 and February 2009 issues of the Braille Monitor. These will give you a glimpse of each center. From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 22:20:40 2014 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:20:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <99CE4502788B420B97BCCB47C6F304F5@robert9999b7cf> That makes since. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Principato" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >I would personally find a sign in/out process to be demeaning, and counter >to the notion of equality and independence. If I am over 18 and enrolled >voluntarily at a center, the center isn't responsible for me. I am >responsible for me. I appreciate that the NFB centers seem to recognize >this fact and respect the personhood of their students. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >> wrote: >> >> Ryan, >> yes, at wsb and nfb centers you can go out after class. But at nfb >> centers, there's not a sign out policy. >> Most centers let you do anything after classes. Its your time. At our >> state center, they had you sign in and out as well. This is important for >> liability since the state Ii s responsibility for you. so in emergencies >> or fire drills, they do a head count, and they need to know who is not at >> campus so the sign in/out policy is there. >> Every center is different in their rules on leaving campus, so this is >> something to consider before going to one. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira >> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:56 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >> >> I have not attended an NFB training center myself, but I did go to >> World Services for the Blind. Despite their rather lax attitude >> regarding the poor residential life situation, their training is >> fairly good. Like the NFB centers, they will evaluate your skills and >> assist you wherever you need the most work. Kelsey, you mentioned >> going to a six-week training program in high school where you felt you >> really were not given a lot of independence. Misty, you were >> right--they did keep you on a short leash because you were a minor. >> I'm not sure about CCB and LCB, but I believe they opperate similarly >> to World Services for the Blind in that, for the adults, once the >> official day is over, you are free to go wherever you please whenever >> you please as long as you sign out at the housing desk when you leave >> and sign in when you return. From what I have heard, the NFB centers >> pretty much do the same thing. >> >>> On 2/4/14, melissa Green wrote: >>> I agree. >>> I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. >>> all the while increasing my speed. >>> >>> Best, >>> Melissa R Green >>> Hold fast to dreams, >>> For if dreams die >>> Life is a broken-winged bird, >>> That cannot fly. >>> Langston Hughes >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>> >>> >>> Hi Lillie, >>> >>> For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading >>> speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to >>> increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you >>> practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing >>> speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on >>> slate and stylus work. >>> Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity >>> to read some fun Braille books! >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>> I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >>>> Braille >>>> aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to >>>> increase >>>> that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code >>>> pretty >>>> much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music >>>> skills >>>> are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do for >>>> me. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Kelsey, >>>>> >>>>> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >>>>> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >>>>> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >>>>> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >>>>> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >>>>> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >>>>> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >>>>> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >>>>> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >>>>> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >>>>> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >>>>> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play recordings. >>>>> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >>>>> center. >>>>> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >>>>> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >>>>> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated I >>>>> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >>>>> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to a >>>>> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >>>>> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >>>>> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >>>>> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and correct >>>>> the problem a lot faster. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our NFB >>>>>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>>>>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if >>>>>> you >>>>>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>>>>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to >>>>>> get >>>>>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct >>>>>> you >>>>>> to >>>>>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>>>>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and I'll >>>>>> do >>>>>> my >>>>>> best to assist. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 22:23:34 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:23:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jamie Principado Regarding the Petition of the Teach Act Message-ID: <652E3A6711E541A9B10E6A19672D9188@Helga> Hi Jamie. this is Helga. How are you? I just wanted to ask you, could you give me your email address? I’m just wondering, since I would like to talk to you, and ask you some questions regarding the Teach Act petition that you wrote, since I want to focus on Disability rights when I become a Lawyer. I’m actually still in college in my Softmore year, and I know I’m not quite there yet, but I will really like to help visually impaired students, and students with other types of disabilities to have the rights that they are entitled in order to succeed. And I think the Teach Act will help me understand what kind of guidance they will use in order to help these students. Just to let you know, I also sent the petition that you wrote to my friends and teachers, and they sign it, and I actually sign it! as well! And I’m actually like you, I would like to advocate for those students as well. I have been also having issues with my college, but I never give up! And if you can, could you send me a copy of the Teach Act in order for me to see it? I will really appreciate it. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 22:30:23 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:30:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: <99CE4502788B420B97BCCB47C6F304F5@robert9999b7cf> References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com> <99CE4502788B420B97BCCB47C6F304F5@robert9999b7cf> Message-ID: They're completely separate. You have to commute either by walking or using public transit depending on the center. The centers all have restaurants all in close walking distance so you don't have to go back home for lunch. Some students bring their lunches just like you might for work or school. Or if a student has done a cooking project like a graduation meal everyone eats it together. Arielle On 2/4/14, RJ Sandefur wrote: > That makes since. RJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamie Principato" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers > > >>I would personally find a sign in/out process to be demeaning, and counter >> >>to the notion of equality and independence. If I am over 18 and enrolled >>voluntarily at a center, the center isn't responsible for me. I am >>responsible for me. I appreciate that the NFB centers seem to recognize >>this fact and respect the personhood of their students. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Ryan, >>> yes, at wsb and nfb centers you can go out after class. But at nfb >>> centers, there's not a sign out policy. >>> Most centers let you do anything after classes. Its your time. At our >>> state center, they had you sign in and out as well. This is important for >>> >>> liability since the state Ii s responsibility for you. so in emergencies >>> >>> or fire drills, they do a head count, and they need to know who is not at >>> >>> campus so the sign in/out policy is there. >>> Every center is different in their rules on leaving campus, so this is >>> something to consider before going to one. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:56 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>> >>> I have not attended an NFB training center myself, but I did go to >>> World Services for the Blind. Despite their rather lax attitude >>> regarding the poor residential life situation, their training is >>> fairly good. Like the NFB centers, they will evaluate your skills and >>> assist you wherever you need the most work. Kelsey, you mentioned >>> going to a six-week training program in high school where you felt you >>> really were not given a lot of independence. Misty, you were >>> right--they did keep you on a short leash because you were a minor. >>> I'm not sure about CCB and LCB, but I believe they opperate similarly >>> to World Services for the Blind in that, for the adults, once the >>> official day is over, you are free to go wherever you please whenever >>> you please as long as you sign out at the housing desk when you leave >>> and sign in when you return. From what I have heard, the NFB centers >>> pretty much do the same thing. >>> >>>> On 2/4/14, melissa Green wrote: >>>> I agree. >>>> I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. >>>> all the while increasing my speed. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Melissa R Green >>>> Hold fast to dreams, >>>> For if dreams die >>>> Life is a broken-winged bird, >>>> That cannot fly. >>>> Langston Hughes >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Lillie, >>>> >>>> For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading >>>> speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to >>>> increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you >>>> practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing >>>> speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on >>>> slate and stylus work. >>>> Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity >>>> to read some fun Braille books! >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>>> I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >>>>> Braille >>>>> aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to >>>>> increase >>>>> that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code >>>>> pretty >>>>> much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music >>>>> skills >>>>> are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do >>>>> for >>>>> me. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Kelsey, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >>>>>> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >>>>>> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >>>>>> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >>>>>> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >>>>>> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >>>>>> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >>>>>> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >>>>>> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >>>>>> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >>>>>> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >>>>>> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play >>>>>> recordings. >>>>>> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >>>>>> center. >>>>>> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >>>>>> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >>>>>> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated >>>>>> I >>>>>> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >>>>>> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to >>>>>> a >>>>>> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >>>>>> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >>>>>> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >>>>>> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and >>>>>> correct >>>>>> the problem a lot faster. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Arielle >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>>>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our >>>>>>> NFB >>>>>>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>>>>>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>>>>>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>>>>>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and >>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> best to assist. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From kramc11 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 22:45:52 2014 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:45:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Entering The Stock Market References: Message-ID: <686B5B27AE984BFCBB64C19C0B636DBC@ownerf49ceb395> Hi all, Does anyone know of an accessible stock trading platform? Ideally this platform will have no to small fees and no minimum account balance. Any suggestions would be appreciated, Mark From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 23:18:51 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 15:18:51 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille Message-ID: <52f17587.45a9440a.5b7a.ffffaed6@mx.google.com> Where can I learn about this grade three braille and read it? My TVI is interested to know there is a grade three braille. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: T does come in handy. I know some of it, and my wife knows quite a bit. There use to be a course from Hadley that you could take and learn grade III. Loren -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:15 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille Hi, Sami, Grade 3 is even more deeply contracted than is Grade 2 and is used primarily for personal correspondence and notetaking purposes. Learn it if you can! for today, Car 408-209-3239 as far as I know is used for personal correspondence and notetaking a syAt 06:23 PM 2/3/2014, David Andrews wrote: Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a Braille shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and nothing regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. Dave At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: Hi All. I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this works? Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing about it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, more contractions then grade 2 braille uses? I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and am therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my music school. I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. Thanks. Sami. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co mcast. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40m ediacombb.n et _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Feb 4 23:33:05 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:33:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nfb training centers In-Reply-To: References: <52eeffc7.c186e00a.56e4.0019@mx.google.com><6BCEE8838BF54D10B13E9531688CEF5D@OwnerPC> Message-ID: ryan, yes the center in richmond. they don't control what you do after classes. the dorm staff don't do much wich is nice and you can do what you want in the dorms except there are visiting rules; I did find the rule about having an opposite gender in your room with door open wrong. There is a nice tv to use as well as microwave to heat up food. you can also use the computer if you are cleared to doo so or bring your own electronics; when I went they did not have wifi; now they do, so students are free to use their ipods or ipads or laptops all they desire. I would not say it’s a controlled environment but you do feel closed in simply for the lack of transportation at night and weekends; you have to use a cab to go out mainly or walk a few places. But, the rules are not too bad, imo. Oh, in college, we also had to show IDs to the RA at the desk. This rule was only at night for safety reasons. I actually like this rule because it made me feel safer that only students were in the dorm. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 3:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers Ashley, are you talking about the Richmond Center? I applied for a job there in the summer of 2012 and found them to be quite restrictive. That was also when they were doing the high school program, so perhaps it is different for adults. I did like the staff there--the director seems pretty good. Arielle and Jamie, I agree with you. I would have preferred not to have dealt with a sign in/out process. Actually, since the housing desk was often unmanned, I really didn't have to. It is, as you say, contrary to the notion of equality and independence. The only reason they did it was to be able to keep a headcount in case of an emergency. I had forgotten that the NFB centers do have apartments. I like that much better than living on campus. I will tell you, though, that I have experienced a sign in/out process in a college dorm. well, not exactly a sign-in/out process, but you did have to show your school ID to the RA or volunteer student on duty when you walked in the building. Ryan On 2/4/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Arielle, > Right and I forgot to say that. For those that don't know, the apartments > at > > nfb centers are separate from the building so you live off campus anyway. > > I did not find the policy at the center a problem. You have to walk right > by > > the dorm office anyway to go out the main doors, so it did not seem > inconvenient to do this. > I actually felt our center in VA was more lax than some centers out there. > We did not have a curphew or have to tell them when we'd come back. They > did > > not ask any questions about our whereabouts either. > > I see why nfb centers do what they do though. They want to make it as > independent a program as possible. > I think the sad thing is people don't go off campus enough. I found this > helpful to go exploring and shop for personal items. Students can go out > to > > dinner if they wish but it seemed to me students would rather just stay on > campus and eat the cafeteria food. Fortunately, I did get off once in a > while to get restaurant food even if I was alone and enjoyed it. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 2:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers > > There's an important difference between WSB and NFB centers. At WSB > the students, even adults, live on campus. At NFB centers you live in > an apartment with another student, off campus. This is part of the > reason why signing in and out wasn't practical. If someone was gone > for an extended period of time, that person's roommate and the > residential manager would notice and investigate the situation. But if > a student is just gone for a few hours, outside class time, it isn't > critical for the student's whereabouts to be known. Students living in > college dorms don't have to sign in and out either, unless they are > leaving for several days. NFB centers treat the students like adults > just as college dorms do. > I think the apartment living is a critical reason why NFB centers > provide superior training. You learn how to cook and clean for > yourself, how to share space with another person, and how to commute > between home and school, and practice those skills on a daily basis. > > Arielle > > On 2/4/14, Kirt wrote: >> Ashley, >> I went to a state center, one of the better ones I think, and never had >> to >> sign in and out when I left. I'm just thinking how inconvenient that >> would >> have been for those 3 AM trips to denny's that I occasionally took when I >> felt the urge. :-) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Ryan, >>> yes, at wsb and nfb centers you can go out after class. But at nfb >>> centers, there's not a sign out policy. >>> Most centers let you do anything after classes. Its your time. At our >>> state center, they had you sign in and out as well. This is important >>> for >>> liability since the state Ii s responsibility for you. so in emergencies >>> or fire drills, they do a head count, and they need to know who is not >>> at >>> campus so the sign in/out policy is there. >>> Every center is different in their rules on leaving campus, so this is >>> something to consider before going to one. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:56 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>> >>> I have not attended an NFB training center myself, but I did go to >>> World Services for the Blind. Despite their rather lax attitude >>> regarding the poor residential life situation, their training is >>> fairly good. Like the NFB centers, they will evaluate your skills and >>> assist you wherever you need the most work. Kelsey, you mentioned >>> going to a six-week training program in high school where you felt you >>> really were not given a lot of independence. Misty, you were >>> right--they did keep you on a short leash because you were a minor. >>> I'm not sure about CCB and LCB, but I believe they opperate similarly >>> to World Services for the Blind in that, for the adults, once the >>> official day is over, you are free to go wherever you please whenever >>> you please as long as you sign out at the housing desk when you leave >>> and sign in when you return. From what I have heard, the NFB centers >>> pretty much do the same thing. >>> >>>> On 2/4/14, melissa Green wrote: >>>> I agree. >>>> I loved the fact that I could just read and read some more. >>>> all the while increasing my speed. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Melissa R Green >>>> Hold fast to dreams, >>>> For if dreams die >>>> Life is a broken-winged bird, >>>> That cannot fly. >>>> Langston Hughes >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 10:17 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nfb training centers >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Lillie, >>>> >>>> For Braille the center instructors will measure your current reading >>>> speed and will help you practice reading and learn techniques to >>>> increase your speed, if that is your goal. They will also have you >>>> practice writing on the slate and stylus and building up your writing >>>> speed. I was a fast Braille reader already, so I mostly focused on >>>> slate and stylus work. >>>> Even if you are already great with Braille, it's a good opportunity >>>> to read some fun Braille books! >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/2/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>>> I am always interested in center experiences. I am curious as to the >>>>> Braille >>>>> aspect. I read contracted Braille at about 140 words and hope to >>>>> increase >>>>> that to 175 within the next year or so. I know the nemith code code >>>>> pretty >>>>> much up through algebra 2 and probably then some. My Braille music >>>>> skills >>>>> are fair. I am just curious as to what a Braille component could do >>>>> for >>>>> me. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Arielle Silverman >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Kelsey, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would absolutely 100% recommend an NFB training center. If you have >>>>>> voc rehab they will pay for all of it. Depending on what state you're >>>>>> in, you may have to convince them why an NFB center is better for you >>>>>> than a state center, but we can all help you with that. >>>>>> I attended Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2008, and it was a great >>>>>> experience. They do test your skills in each class at the beginning >>>>>> and they set up your assignments according to your individual >>>>>> strengths and weaknesses. For example, they may start you off in the >>>>>> kitchen by practicing a lot with different types of knives and then >>>>>> have you start learning to cook with the oven and stove. >>>>>> I had good tech skills when I got to LCB, so for my final project I >>>>>> learned basic sound editing and edited one of the LCB play >>>>>> recordings. >>>>>> It was a ton of fun and it was great to do something useful for the >>>>>> center. >>>>>> For travel they give you all the basic skills so you can travel >>>>>> competently in any kind of unfamiliar environment. My mobility skills >>>>>> were my weak point when I got to the center. By the time I graduated >>>>>> I >>>>>> could feel comfortable crossing parking lots and finding buildings >>>>>> based on their addresses. I also found that I could learn a route to >>>>>> a >>>>>> new place after being shown once or twice. Before I went to the >>>>>> center, it would take me many rounds of practice before I would get a >>>>>> route down. Although I still get lost sometimes, I find that since >>>>>> graduating from the center, I can recognize when I am lost and >>>>>> correct >>>>>> the problem a lot faster. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Arielle >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/2/14, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>>>> Hello, it sounds like you are interested in attending one of our >>>>>>> NFB >>>>>>> Training centers, and sounds like it would certainly benefit you. >>>>>>> The first question of funding can probably be answered by asking if >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> have a case with Voc Rehab? >>>>>>> i attended a training center and have worked with rehab in order to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> there. I would be happy to answer any questions you have and direct >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> folks who can answer questions for you that I can't. >>>>>>> Feel free to contact me at dsmithnfb at gmail.com if you like, and >>>>>>> I'll >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> best to assist. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 23:54:36 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:54:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille In-Reply-To: <52f17587.45a9440a.5b7a.ffffaed6@mx.google.com> References: <52f17587.45a9440a.5b7a.ffffaed6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20B7372A-727B-452F-86D8-7F092F35FD0B@gmail.com> Hi Marissa, You can get a grade three code manual from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. You know, the place where you usually order novels and things. They have a fairly good grade three manual. Ryan On Feb 4, 2014, at 5:18 PM, marissa wrote: > > Where can I learn about this grade three braille and read it? My TVI is interested to know there is a grade three braille. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 08:53:21 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille > > I will echo what has already been said here--it is a more contracted > version of grade 2. I learned a little of it in 7th grade, but never > used it. I honestly wonder if anyone does use it. I don't know > anyone who does. Lillie, it's not exactly like texting in braille. > It's more like shorthand. Before computers were as easily available > as they are now, secretaries and court stenographers learned a system > of writing called shorthand. Basically, it was a system of symbols, > like grade two braille, that would be substituted for letters. For > example, if you were sighted and taking minutes for a meeting, as you > do for OABS, you might use shorthand. It's different than texting > shorthand because it actually uses symbols like grade two braille uses > contractions. Grade three braille is basically contracted > contractions. I believe I still have a book at my mother's house > somewhere that has the grade three code. If your really curious, I > can get it and give it to you. > > Ryan > > On 2/4/14, Loren Wakefield wrote: > T does come in handy. I know some of it, and my wife knows quite a bit. > There use to be a course from Hadley that you could take and learn grade > III. > > Loren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly > Mihalakis > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:15 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National > Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille > > > Hi, Sami, > > Grade 3 is even more deeply contracted than is Grade 2 and is > used > primarily for personal correspondence and notetaking purposes. Learn it if > you can! > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > as far as I know is used for personal correspondence and notetaking a syAt > 06:23 PM 2/3/2014, David Andrews wrote: > Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a Braille > shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and nothing > regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. > > Dave > > At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: > Hi All. > > I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training > centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. > I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. > So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this works? > Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing about > it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, more > contractions then grade 2 braille uses? > I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, > because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was > in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've > learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I > have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and am > therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. > Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my > music school. > I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. > Thanks. > > Sami. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co > mcast. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40m > ediacombb.n > et > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 23:56:46 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:56:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jamie Principado Regarding thePetition of the Teach Act Message-ID: <52f17e41.44caec0a.0787.2a34@mx.google.com> Hi Jamie could you also send me a copy of the Teach Act? I'd like to understand more about it as well. From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 23:58:42 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:58:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jamie Principado Regarding thePetition of the Teach Act In-Reply-To: <52f17e41.44caec0a.0787.2a34@mx.google.com> References: <52f17e41.44caec0a.0787.2a34@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001201cf2205$08b5d970$1a218c50$@gmail.com> Include me as well; The teach act blends with the Work Force investment act in my mind. I no that sounds stupid, because it is, but I'm not so good as this politics stuff. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Baccchus Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 6:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jamie Principado Regarding thePetition of the Teach Act Hi Jamie could you also send me a copy of the Teach Act? I'd like to understand more about it as well. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 00:05:00 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 16:05:00 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille Message-ID: <52f18058.a3b2440a.027f.ffffeee5@mx.google.com> I never used NLS. I never have. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Where can I learn about this grade three braille and read it? My TVI is interested to know there is a grade three braille. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: T does come in handy. I know some of it, and my wife knows quite a bit. There use to be a course from Hadley that you could take and learn grade III. Loren -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:15 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille Hi, Sami, Grade 3 is even more deeply contracted than is Grade 2 and is used primarily for personal correspondence and notetaking purposes. Learn it if you can! for today, Car 408-209-3239 as far as I know is used for personal correspondence and notetaking a syAt 06:23 PM 2/3/2014, David Andrews wrote: Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a Braille shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and nothing regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. Dave At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: Hi All. I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this works? Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing about it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, more contractions then grade 2 braille uses? I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and am therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my music school. I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. Thanks. Sami. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co mcast. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40m ediacombb.n et _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Wed Feb 5 01:19:08 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 17:19:08 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille In-Reply-To: <52f18058.a3b2440a.027f.ffffeee5@mx.google.com> References: <52f18058.a3b2440a.027f.ffffeee5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140204171758.01e05798@comcast.net> Sounds like this is a source of a misguided pride? You're missing out on literature. Are ya happy? for today, Car04:05 PM 2/4/2014, you wrote: >I never used NLS. I never have. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:54:36 -0600 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille > >Hi Marissa, > >You can get a grade three code manual from NLS (National Library >Service) at the Library of Congress. You know, the place where you >usually order novels and things. They have a fairly good grade three manual. > > >Ryan > >On Feb 4, 2014, at 5:18 PM, marissa wrote: > > >Where can I learn about this grade three braille and read it? My TVI >is interested to know there is a grade three braille. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 08:53:21 -0600 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille > >I will echo what has already been said here--it is a more contracted >version of grade 2. I learned a little of it in 7th grade, but never >used it. I honestly wonder if anyone does use it. I don't know >anyone who does. Lillie, it's not exactly like texting in braille. >It's more like shorthand. Before computers were as easily available >as they are now, secretaries and court stenographers learned a system >of writing called shorthand. Basically, it was a system of symbols, >like grade two braille, that would be substituted for letters. >For >example, if you were sighted and taking minutes for a meeting, as you >do for OABS, you might use shorthand. It's different than texting >shorthand because it actually uses symbols like grade two braille uses >contractions. Grade three braille is basically contracted >contractions. I believe I still have a book at my mother's house >somewhere that has the grade three code. If your really curious, I >can get it and give it to you. > >Ryan > >On 2/4/14, Loren Wakefield wrote: >T does come in handy. I know some of it, and my wife knows quite a bit. >There use to be a course from Hadley that you could take and learn grade >III. > >Loren > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly >Mihalakis >Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:15 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National >Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille > > >Hi, Sami, > > Grade 3 is even more deeply contracted than is Grade 2 >and is >used >primarily for personal correspondence and notetaking purposes. >Learn it if >you can! >for today, Car >408-209-3239 > >as far as I know is used for personal correspondence and notetaking a syAt >06:23 PM 2/3/2014, David Andrews wrote: >Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a Braille >shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and nothing >regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. > >Dave > >At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: >Hi All. > >I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training >centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those >centers. >I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. >So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this works? >Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing about >it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, more >contractions then grade 2 braille uses? >I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, >because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was >in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've >learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I >have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and am >therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. >Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my >music school. >I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. >Thanks. > >Sami. > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co >mcast. >net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40m >ediacombb.n >et > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >ra%40gmail.com > > > >-- >Ryan L. Silveira > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >ife7%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >ra%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >ife7%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 01:37:59 2014 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:37:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jamie Principado Regarding thePetition of the Teach Act In-Reply-To: <001201cf2205$08b5d970$1a218c50$@gmail.com> References: <52f17e41.44caec0a.0787.2a34@mx.google.com> <001201cf2205$08b5d970$1a218c50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, Thanks so much for supporting the TEACH Act and passing along our petition. We're just over 80,000 signatures now, and that's very exciting! I think together, we can all make this happen for blind students everywhere! If you want to read more about the TEACH Act (H.R.3505), there's a lot of information at http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th/house-bill/3505. Remember, we can all do something to achieve equality, whether its showing our support for legislation or educating our peers about Blindness. No action is too little when we are united with a common goal. I'd be happy to talk off-list with anyone who would like to write to me. All the best, Jamie Principato BlackByrdFly at gmail.com On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 4:58 PM, justin williams wrote: > Include me as well; The teach act blends with the Work Force investment act > in my mind. I no that sounds stupid, because it is, but I'm not so good as > this politics stuff. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna > Baccchus > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 6:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jamie Principado Regarding > thePetition of the Teach Act > > Hi Jamie could you also send me a copy of the Teach Act? I'd like to > understand more about it as well. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 01:40:22 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 17:40:22 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille Message-ID: <52f196b1.06d8440a.444f.238d@mx.google.com> Not really. I get my books from Bookshare. I get my school books brailled for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly Mihalakis wrote: Where can I learn about this grade three braille and read it? My TVI is interested to know there is a grade three braille. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: T does come in handy. I know some of it, and my wife knows quite a bit. There use to be a course from Hadley that you could take and learn grade III. Loren -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:15 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] grade 3 braille Hi, Sami, Grade 3 is even more deeply contracted than is Grade 2 and is used primarily for personal correspondence and notetaking purposes. Learn it if you can! for today, Car 408-209-3239 as far as I know is used for personal correspondence and notetaking a syAt 06:23 PM 2/3/2014, David Andrews wrote: Grade 3 Braille has lots of abbreviations. It is basically a Braille shorthand. There aren't a lot of teaching materials, and nothing regularly printed in it. It was never widely used. Dave At 07:45 PM 2/3/2014, you wrote: Hi All. I am creating this topic further to Dave's post about NFB training centers, who said that he learned Grade 3 Braille in those centers. I didn't want to post this in that topic so as not to go off-topic. So I would like to know, could someone try to explain how this works? Because to be honest, this is the first time that I'm hereing about it. Was this only discovered recently? Does it have, say, more contractions then grade 2 braille uses? I'm sure that I'll be able to understand your explanations about it, because I have been using braille for quite a long time (since I was in kindergarten, and now I'm in 11th grade). I don't think I've learned grade 2 braille when I first sttted to learn braille, but I have been using grade 2 braille for as long as I can remember, and am therefore very good at it, if I say so myself. Not only that, but I just finished the course on Braille music at my music school. I hope you'll be able to explain how Grade 3 Braille works. Thanks. Sami. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co mcast. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40m ediacombb.n et _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 01:56:38 2014 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 20:56:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes Message-ID: <52f19a5e.82ddb60a.0687.ffffe242@mx.google.com> Hello, I posted a similar question a while back, but I am once again experiencing problems with itudes and jaws. I am using a previous version of itunes because I have heard that the new one is not very jaws-friendly. Now, because of this, I can't make any purchases on the itunes store because my itunes is not being detected by apple's website. I already explained to them about the jaws issue with the new itunes, so at least they know why I can't upgrade. I do know that there is a script available for jaws users who use itunes 11, but it costs $6.99. My question is since I was inconvenienced by the issue of apple's website, would it be reasonable to ask them to re-imburse me for the inconvenience they caused by paying for the purchase of the script? I'm not in any way looking to file a complaint against them, but I just think that they could give me something in return for the inconvience of not being able to make purchases for a couple weeks. What do you think? Also, has anyone used the jaws script for itunes and if so, is it worth the trouble? Thanks, From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 02:23:57 2014 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:23:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes In-Reply-To: <52f19a5e.82ddb60a.0687.ffffe242@mx.google.com> References: <52f19a5e.82ddb60a.0687.ffffe242@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Kelsey, If you have a recent version of JAWS, I would actually recommend for you to go ahead and upgrade to ITunes 11 without buying the script and see if you can use the interface well enough to do everything you need to do. I use JAWS 14 and the latest version of ITunes to manage my Ipod Touch independently - The interface is not the most user-friendly in the world, but I'm able to get everything done without any issues. Granted, I do manage most of my purchases directly on my Ipod Touch rather than through ITunes, which might not be an option for you if you use one of those simpler IPod models (Nano, Shuffle, etc.). Katie On 2/4/14, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > I posted a similar question a while back, but I am once again > experiencing problems with itudes and jaws. I am using a > previous version of itunes because I have heard that the new one > is not very jaws-friendly. Now, because of this, I can't make > any purchases on the itunes store because my itunes is not being > detected by apple's website. I already explained to them about > the jaws issue with the new itunes, so at least they know why I > can't upgrade. I do know that there is a script available for > jaws users who use itunes 11, but it costs $6.99. My question is > since I was inconvenienced by the issue of apple's website, would > it be reasonable to ask them to re-imburse me for the > inconvenience they caused by paying for the purchase of the > script? I'm not in any way looking to file a complaint against > them, but I just think that they could give me something in > return for the inconvience of not being able to make purchases > for a couple weeks. > What do you think? > Also, has anyone used the jaws script for itunes and if so, is it > worth the trouble? > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From carlymih at comcast.net Wed Feb 5 02:31:04 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 18:31:04 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140204182956.021c44a0@comcast.net> Hi, Bobbi, Don't you think someone oughta deal with the problem directly, personally and not do something so chicken shit as block your number? for today, Car 4908-209-3239 >I would suggest calling her house and speaking with her parents. Or >having her phone number blocked. > >Bobbi A. L. Pompey >(336) 988-6375 >pompey2010 at yahoo.com >http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > > > On Dec 27, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Kaiti Shelton > wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have quite the puzzling situation on my hands, and I am not quite > > sure how to handle it. Thoughts? > > > > Almost four years ago my mom and I went to this 3 day seminar for > > students in the state voc rehab program with visual impairments. This > > Friday evening to Sunday morning seminar was designed to show students > > and parents from around the state different employment options that > > were available, ranging from vending and call center jobs to taking > > the college route to get a degree in a two or four year program. A > > friend of mine and I, who lived close to each other, were hanging out > > early on. All of a sudden, this other girl was hanging all over him > > and would not give him his personal space. It was very odd, > > considering that this was a very short period of time in which this > > all happened. Less than 24 hours after the students had met, my > > friend was so creeped out by the almost constant and unwanted > > attention that he began to avoid this girl. Other students, seeing > > how creeped out he was and some creeped out themselves due to the same > > thing, ended up following suit. > > > > I was sixteen at the time, and could feel for my friend. The girl was > > very much in my face a lot of the time too, but I was a bit more > > patient with her throughout the weekend. She seemed to be worse with > > the guys than the girls too, so I had a little more space than my > > friend. > > > > About 3 months after the program in the summertime, she started > > calling my house. The parents at the program were given a list of the > > other parents who attended, along with their phone numbers, so they > > could swap resources if they so chose. This girl got the list from > > her parents, and was using it to call me and my friend, possibly other > > students as well although I am not sure. The calls started off being > > about once every so often, then increased. She was a very odd girl, > > and liked to complain and cry about her problems to me and my friend. > > There was nothing social about the calls, just complaining and > > negativity, and mumbling which was really weird. He quit talking to > > her much sooner than I did because I tried to get her to see that > > being visually impaired, (she didn't like the word blind since she was > > a large print reader, and kind of used that to elivate herself above > > other people), was not the worst thing in the world. She would cry > > and complain, and even tell me I didn't understand how bad things > > were, when her descriptions of things made it sound like she was very > > overdramatic. I decided at the end of my junior year, a year after > > the calls started coming, that I didn't want to talk to a downer, and > > that I wasn't going to be able to convince her that blindness didn't > > mean the end of the world. > > > > The girl continued to call. My senior year was very busy with > > activities and preparing for college. I would come home from marching > > band practices to find my siblings quite frustrated because the girl > > had kept calling, sometimes as much as 5 or 6 times in a span of a few > > hours. They didn't want to answer the phone because whenever someone > > told her I wasn't home she would instantly get teary and mumble things > > to herself, and it was very weird, but they didn't want her to > > continue calling either. I remember one night over Christmas break of > > that year, she called and when I told her I was getting ready to leave > > the house, which I was to go pick up someone coming in from out of > > town for the holidays with my family, she got angry and wanted me to > > give her my cell phone number. I told her that I didn't want to give > > it out, and she started to get upset. Then I really had to go, and > > there was the characteristic mumbling. > > > > My parents have told me that for the past year and a half that I've > > been in college that the girl has continued to call. My mom has told > > her that I live at school and do not come home much multiple times. > > My younger siblings, in frustration, have told her that I've moved > > away and have begun making up different things to tell her to try to > > discourage her from calling. She continues to call, and around > > Christmas it is always terrible. A few nights ago she called when my > > parents were asleep a little after 11:00 at night, and has apparently > > called and left messages late at night before. My parents have to get > > up very early for work, so In order to stop the ringing and to prevent > > a message from playing over the machine I had to answer. Everything > > was exactly the same. I was heading to bed myself, so I told her that > > I was asleep when she asked for me. The fact that she had called at > > such a late hour didn't seem to phase her, there was just the mumbling > > and usual stuff coming over the line. > > > > I don't quite know what to do. I've tried to be positive with her and > > that hasn't worked. My family has told her that I no longer live at > > home and am away at school among other things in frustration, but > > nothing seems to phase her. I know she still calls my friend's house > > as well, even though he does not live at home any more either. I > > don't quite know what to do about this. I barely know her and she > > barely knows me, and in spite of this I have tried to help her with no > > success. My parents and siblings have said that we should just block > > her calls, but I have hesitated in doing this while I was in high > > school because I didn't want to be mean, and then I honestly forgot > > about her for the most part while I was at school last year and last > > semester because I can't get calls from her there. After the call a > > few nights ago, I don't really know what to think. I am slightly > > creeped out that even after my parents have told her I am not home for > > the past year and a half that the calls are still coming. What do you > > think I should do? > > > > -- > > Kaiti > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 04:09:30 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:09:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Video Calls Message-ID: Hi all, I'm doing a virtual presentation on Thursday and I think my audience will want to interact with me visually as well as listening to what I say. What's the most accessible way to do a video call? Which iPhone apps are most accessible? I think the group is used to using Google Hangouts. I have it on my phone and can access the contact list to call people, but once I'm in a call I can't read the screen at all with VoiceOver. Does video automatically start when a call connects? Are there other apps that are more accessible than Hangouts? And once I'm in a video call, what's the best way for me to aim the camera to ensure I'm being seen properly? Thanks for any help. Best, Arielle From amc05111 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 04:13:52 2014 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 23:13:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Video Calls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, you can use the video feature of Skype. The app is completely accessible. You need to turn on video once you're in the call though. You can use Skype on a phone or computer. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 11:09 PM To: Blind Talk Mailing List ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; young_professionals at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Video Calls Hi all, I'm doing a virtual presentation on Thursday and I think my audience will want to interact with me visually as well as listening to what I say. What's the most accessible way to do a video call? Which iPhone apps are most accessible? I think the group is used to using Google Hangouts. I have it on my phone and can access the contact list to call people, but once I'm in a call I can't read the screen at all with VoiceOver. Does video automatically start when a call connects? Are there other apps that are more accessible than Hangouts? And once I'm in a video call, what's the best way for me to aim the camera to ensure I'm being seen properly? Thanks for any help. Best, Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 04:48:18 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 23:48:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Video Calls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arielle, Most of the virtual lectures that I've seen use the video feature in skype to present. I know in our classrooms, we have projectors that hook up to the laptops and magnify the screen so the audience can see the lecturer better. You could also use facetime on your iPhone to connect to someone's mac. As for the audience seeing you, I don't think it would be inappropriate to ask if they can see you. Sighted lecturers also have to do this. Minh On 2/4/14, Ashley Coleman wrote: > Hi, you can use the video feature of Skype. The app is completely > accessible. You need to turn on video once you're in the call though. You > can use Skype on a phone or computer. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 11:09 PM > To: Blind Talk Mailing List ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list ; young_professionals at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Video Calls > > Hi all, > > I'm doing a virtual presentation on Thursday and I think my audience > will want to interact with me visually as well as listening to what I > say. What's the most accessible way to do a video call? Which iPhone > apps are most accessible? I think the group is used to using Google > Hangouts. I have it on my phone and can access the contact list to > call people, but once I'm in a call I can't read the screen at all > with VoiceOver. Does video automatically start when a call connects? > Are there other apps that are more accessible than Hangouts? And once > I'm in a video call, what's the best way for me to aim the camera to > ensure I'm being seen properly? > > Thanks for any help. > Best, > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 12:38:14 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:38:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? Message-ID: <52f230db.451cb60a.64df.44eb@mx.google.com> Bobbi, I agree with your suggestion of blocking the number. She barely knows this person. She shouldn't have to deal with another girl's baggage just because that girl has mysteriously (and somewhat creepily) chosen her to unload on. I understand listening and being sympathetic to someone's problems, but enough's enough! There's a point where you shouldn't have to deal with it anymore. Besides, it sounds like the girl needs professional help, not just the listening ear and consolation of a friend. Maybe if she blocks this stalker's number, it will encourage her to seek help from a counselor or psychiatrist. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly Mihalakis ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Hi all, I have quite the puzzling situation on my hands, and I am not quite sure how to handle it. Thoughts? Almost four years ago my mom and I went to this 3 day seminar for students in the state voc rehab program with visual impairments. This Friday evening to Sunday morning seminar was designed to show students and parents from around the state different employment options that were available, ranging from vending and call center jobs to taking the college route to get a degree in a two or four year program. A friend of mine and I, who lived close to each other, were hanging out early on. All of a sudden, this other girl was hanging all over him and would not give him his personal space. It was very odd, considering that this was a very short period of time in which this all happened. Less than 24 hours after the students had met, my friend was so creeped out by the almost constant and unwanted attention that he began to avoid this girl. Other students, seeing how creeped out he was and some creeped out themselves due to the same thing, ended up following suit. I was sixteen at the time, and could feel for my friend. The girl was very much in my face a lot of the time too, but I was a bit more patient with her throughout the weekend. She seemed to be worse with the guys than the girls too, so I had a little more space than my friend. About 3 months after the program in the summertime, she started calling my house. The parents at the program were given a list of the other parents who attended, along with their phone numbers, so they could swap resources if they so chose. This girl got the list from her parents, and was using it to call me and my friend, possibly other students as well although I am not sure. The calls started off being about once every so often, then increased. She was a very odd girl, and liked to complain and cry about her problems to me and my friend. There was nothing social about the calls, just complaining and negativity, and mumbling which was really weird. He quit talking to her much sooner than I did because I tried to get her to see that being visually impaired, (she didn't like the word blind since she was a large print reader, and kind of used that to elivate herself above other people), was not the worst thing in the world. She would cry and complain, and even tell me I didn't understand how bad things were, when her descriptions of things made it sound like she was very overdramatic. I decided at the end of my junior year, a year after the calls started coming, that I didn't want to talk to a downer, and that I wasn't going to be able to convince her that blindness didn't mean the end of the world. The girl continued to call. My senior year was very busy with activities and preparing for college. I would come home from marching band practices to find my siblings quite frustrated because the girl had kept calling, sometimes as much as 5 or 6 times in a span of a few hours. They didn't want to answer the phone because whenever someone told her I wasn't home she would instantly get teary and mumble things to herself, and it was very weird, but they didn't want her to continue calling either. I remember one night over Christmas break of that year, she called and when I told her I was getting ready to leave the house, which I was to go pick up someone coming in from out of town for the holidays with my family, she got angry and wanted me to give her my cell phone number. I told her that I didn't want to give it out, and she started to get upset. Then I really had to go, and there was the characteristic mumbling. My parents have told me that for the past year and a half that I've been in college that the girl has continued to call. My mom has told her that I live at school and do not come home much multiple times. My younger siblings, in frustration, have told her that I've moved away and have begun making up different things to tell her to try to discourage her from calling. She continues to call, and around Christmas it is always terrible. A few nights ago she called when my parents were asleep a little after 11:00 at night, and has apparently called and left messages late at night before. My parents have to get up very early for work, so In order to stop the ringing and to prevent a message from playing over the machine I had to answer. Everything was exactly the same. I was heading to bed myself, so I told her that I was asleep when she asked for me. The fact that she had called at such a late hour didn't seem to phase her, there was just the mumbling and usual stuff coming over the line. I don't quite know what to do. I've tried to be positive with her and that hasn't worked. My family has told her that I no longer live at home and am away at school among other things in frustration, but nothing seems to phase her. I know she still calls my friend's house as well, even though he does not live at home any more either. I don't quite know what to do about this. I barely know her and she barely knows me, and in spite of this I have tried to help her with no success. My parents and siblings have said that we should just block her calls, but I have hesitated in doing this while I was in high school because I didn't want to be mean, and then I honestly forgot about her for the most part while I was at school last year and last semester because I can't get calls from her there. After the call a few nights ago, I don't really know what to think. I am slightly creeped out that even after my parents have told her I am not home for the past year and a half that the calls are still coming. What do you think I should do? -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 yahoo.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 12:48:40 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 07:48:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? Message-ID: <52f2332c.891fec0a.44ad.2de7@mx.google.com> Hi Katti try blocking her number. You might also try going over to her house and talking with her parents. From ALewis at nfb.org Wed Feb 5 14:22:01 2014 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:22:01 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] social media Savvy Members - Today is our second #FixWIA Wednesday. Message-ID: <5f5923003fd443b4ba92f2977ed15776@BLUPR07MB689.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> >From Rose Sloan to our social media savvy members: Federation Family, Today is our second #FixWIA Wednesday. We had a very good campaign a few weeks ago, but unfortunately our Senators do not understand our concerns with WIA yet. During our last campaign, we had just over 150 tweets with the hash tag #FixWIA. When we set our minds to something, there is nothing the Federation cannot accomplish. I am setting the goal of 250 tweets with the hash tag #FixWIA. When tweeting, do not forget to use your Senators' handles. You can find them, along with their Facebook pages here: http://govsm.com/w/Senate. For those of you who prefer to e-mail your Senators, I have attached the letter I plan to send to my Senators. Please consider using this as a template. For those of you who prefer to call your Senators, feel free to use this email as a guide for your call. If you would like even more information about our concerns with WIA, please see our blog post at: https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/fix-wia. Thank you to everyone who helped out with our first #FixWIA campaign. We have invited other disability organizations to help with this effort. Together I know we can come up with 250 tweets that embed the hash tag #FixWIA. Let your concerns about WIA be heard! Through our efforts, we can ensure that fewer people with disabilities are subjected to detrimental subminimum wage sheltered employment. If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me at rsloan at nfb.org or by calling 410-659-9314 extension 2441. Thanks everyone, Rose February 5, 2014 Dear Senator, I am writing to express my strong opposition to Section 511 of Title 5 of the reauthorization of the Workforce Investment Act (S. 1356). My main concern is that Section 511 introduces subminimum wage employment into the Rehabilitation Act for the first time ever. Even more importantly, the title of Section 511 is not reflected in the text of Section 511. While the title claims to put limitations on employment of individuals with disabilities at subminimum wage, Subsection a (4) of the bill text allows anyone to enter subminimum wage sheltered employment. Senator, I have done my homework with respect to the impact of subminimum-wage sheltered employment on people with disabilities. Studies show that people with disabilities who enter sheltered workshops rarely transition into competitive, community-integrated employment. Even though the stated goal of WIA is to ensure community-integrated employment, subminimum wage employment is not a viable path to that goal. Less than five percent of people with disabilities in subminimum wage sheltered employment receive a job in community-integrated employment. Please strike Section 511 from WIA. Additionally, I am concerned about the proposed move of the Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) from the Department of Education to the Department of Labor. Just as sheltered workshops focus on what people with disabilities cannot do, the Department of Labor looks at what a person can currently do without taking into consideration their potential to build further skills. The role of the Department of Education is to educate, or teach people new skills. I fear that if RSA is moved to Labor, people with disabilities will not be able to reach their full potential. Furthermore, there is no research that shows that moving RSA to the Department of Labor will be more efficient for people with disabilities. Why not save the money that would be spent to make the move, and put it towards improving the services that RSA provides? I hope that I can count on your support. I sincerely feel that if you took the time to review Section 511 for yourself that you will realize that people with disabilities will be hindered by the current language in WIA. Please offer an amendment that will strike Section 511 and will remove the language that moves RSA from the Department of Education to the Department of Labor. I look forward to hearing back from you. I fear that WIA may be coming to the floor soon. Please contact me at Rsloan at nfb.org. Thank you, Rose Sloan Rose Sloan Government Affairs Specialist "Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fair-wages National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street Baltimore, MD 21230 rsloan at nfb.org (410)-659-9314 ext 2441 The National Federation of the Blind needs your support to ensure blind children get an equal education; to connect blind veterans with the training and services they need; and to help seniors who are losing vision continue to live independent and fulfilling lives. To make a donation, please go to www.nfb.org. From bre.brown24 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 14:31:53 2014 From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:31:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Survey for fashion and style Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have been asked to circulate the following message. Bre Brown Hello, We are interested in gathering data from people who are blind and visually impaired about how you receive up to date information on fashion and style. We hope that this data will help us to learn what disparities exist in the resources to access fashion info. We would like to design audio or text based services for people who are blind or visually impaired with articles about fashion, color matching, makeup application, outfit design ideas, etc. But we'd like to hear from you about how you get info on fashion and what kind of information you would want to have to get a more well rounded view on the subject. Please fill out this brief, anonymous, ten question survey to help us learn what materials are out there, and what would be helpful to have in place to address this seldom discussed concern. Everyone has the right to feel, and look, fabulous, and we don't want anyone to miss out on that. For questions, comments, or concerns about the survey, please contact Laura at l.legendary at elegantinsightsjewelry.com Here is the survey link: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NYJ9R3M From rosesloan920 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 15:03:45 2014 From: rosesloan920 at gmail.com (Rose Sloan) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:03:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tweet Your Senators to #FixWIA! Message-ID: Students: Today is #FixWIA Wednesday! No group spends more time on facebook and twitter than us. Please tweet and facebook your Senators to let them know that you are opposed to Section 511 of the Workforce Investment Act. This section, if passed, will allow any person with a disability who uses voc reshab services to enter subminimum wage sheltered employment. We deserve better. Additionally, the Senate version of WIA moves Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) from the Department of Education to the Department of Labor. No research supports the claim that this move will benefit people with disabilities. In fact, it is feared that services will be worse under the Department of Labor. Here is a list of twitter handles and facebook pages for every Senator. http://govsm.com/w/Senate. Let your voices be heard! Please take just a few seconds to express you concerns with WIA. Here are some sample tweets. Don't forget to tag your Senators! :) Nondisabled people receive "Rehab Services" from @usedgov, so should people with disabilities. Keep RSA in the Dep. of Ed. #rehabact #FixWia Sec. 511 puts subminimum wages of Sec 14(c) of the FLSA into the #rehabact. #FixWIA focus on competitive integrated employment. Shaking up #rehabact without data and research could adversely affect millions of PWDs. #FixWIA Sec. 511 will allow any PWD who uses voc rehab services to enter subminimum wage sheltered workshops. #FixWIA #Strike511 Thanks so much! Together, we will #FixWIA! If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me at rsloan at nfb.org. Best, Rose From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 15:33:24 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:33:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes In-Reply-To: References: <52f19a5e.82ddb60a.0687.ffffe242@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Kelsey, I am using Jaws 13 with the latest version of ITunes and am not having any major issues. Granted, I also make all my purchases on my IPhone like Katie, but as far as making playlists, using the radio, adding files and folders to my library, managing my IPhone settings, and navigating my list of songs in ITunes goes I am able to do all of that independently with little to no problem. If you're able to use an IDevice to make your purchases rather than your computer, I would highly recommend it. Especially since now you don't even need to get someone to read the codes on the back of gift cards with the new camera scanning option. All you do is peel the strip off the back of the card, go to redeem in the Itunes store at the bottom of the page, and select the option to use your camera to redeem your code. Hold the card a few inches in front of the camera for a few seconds, and the IPhone will recognize the code and will gather the information from the card for you. If you can do it this way, it would probably be much easier for you. On 2/4/14, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi Kelsey, > > If you have a recent version of JAWS, I would actually recommend for > you to go ahead and upgrade to ITunes 11 without buying the script and > see if you can use the interface well enough to do everything you need > to do. I use JAWS 14 and the latest version of ITunes to manage my > Ipod Touch independently - The interface is not the most user-friendly > in the world, but I'm able to get everything done without any issues. > Granted, I do manage most of my purchases directly on my Ipod Touch > rather than through ITunes, which might not be an option for you if > you use one of those simpler IPod models (Nano, Shuffle, etc.). > > Katie > > On 2/4/14, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >> Hello, >> I posted a similar question a while back, but I am once again >> experiencing problems with itudes and jaws. I am using a >> previous version of itunes because I have heard that the new one >> is not very jaws-friendly. Now, because of this, I can't make >> any purchases on the itunes store because my itunes is not being >> detected by apple's website. I already explained to them about >> the jaws issue with the new itunes, so at least they know why I >> can't upgrade. I do know that there is a script available for >> jaws users who use itunes 11, but it costs $6.99. My question is >> since I was inconvenienced by the issue of apple's website, would >> it be reasonable to ask them to re-imburse me for the >> inconvenience they caused by paying for the purchase of the >> script? I'm not in any way looking to file a complaint against >> them, but I just think that they could give me something in >> return for the inconvience of not being able to make purchases >> for a couple weeks. >> What do you think? >> Also, has anyone used the jaws script for itunes and if so, is it >> worth the trouble? >> Thanks, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From ligne14 at verizon.net Wed Feb 5 16:48:55 2014 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (sami osborne) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 11:48:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tweet Your Senators to #FixWIA! Message-ID: <0N0J0010D827CU50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> Hi. Unfortunately, I don't have Twitter or Facebook myself, but I would just like to take the time to thank Rose for this. In my opinion, you are absolutely right. People with disabilitys should have equal salaries in jobs as people without them, and also I agree that this organization should not move to the Department of Labor. For the members on this list, I think that we should also all be lucky that we live in a free country, with a democracy. In other words, everybody can protest against bills or acts that are proposed that people think would not bchefit them. So This is not like a dictatorship, where you have to agree to every decision no matter what. In fact, I don't know if any of you guys know this, but something like this was proposed by the governor of New York, (the state that I live in, was proposed a few years ago. Our governor, Andrew Cuomo, proposed to close all the 4201 schools, (schools for people with disabilitys), in New York. When this was proposed, there was a lot of rallys in New York to protest against this. One, which I went to, was in Albany. In fact, I think the video for that one is on Youtube, although I currently don't have the link. So during this, everyone protested and explained why closing 4201 schools would not benefit us. So I think that we have all proved to the governor that we didn't agree to this budget, because it wasn't passed, fortunately. So guys, as Rose said, let's speak up for this section 511 of the WIA and also the rehab proposal. If we all work together, I am sure that we will be able to prove to the Senators that we deserve better. And again, let's also be thankful that we live in a free country. With hope that the Senators will get our message, Sami. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rose Sloan ,nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:03:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tweet Your Senators to #FixWIA! Students: Today is #FixWIA Wednesday! No group spends more time on facebook and twitter than us. Please tweet and facebook your Senators to let them know that you are opposed to Section 511 of the Workforce Investment Act. This section, if passed, will allow any person with a disability who uses voc reshab services to enter subminimum wage sheltered employment. We deserve better. Additionally, the Senate version of WIA moves Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) from the Department of Education to the Department of Labor. No research supports the claim that this move will benefit people with disabilities. In fact, it is feared that services will be worse under the Department of Labor. Here is a list of twitter handles and facebook pages for every Senator. http://govsm.com/w/Senate. Let your voices be heard! Please take just a few seconds to express you concerns with WIA. Here are some sample tweets. Don't forget to tag your Senators! :) Nondisabled people receive "Rehab Services" from @usedgov, so should people with disabilities. Keep RSA in the Dep. of Ed. #rehabact #FixWia Sec. 511 puts subminimum wages of Sec 14(c) of the FLSA into the #rehabact. #FixWIA focus on competitive integrated employment. Shaking up #rehabact without data and research could adversely affect millions of PWDs. #FixWIA Sec. 511 will allow any PWD who uses voc rehab services to enter subminimum wage sheltered workshops. #FixWIA #Strike511 Thanks so much! Together, we will #FixWIA! If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me at rsloan at nfb.org. Best, Rose _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver izon.net From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 5 17:31:57 2014 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:31:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions about Dallas, TX Message-ID: Hello, I am consideing taking an internship progrm in Dallas Texas this summer. The internship is not paid and no housing is provided. I have a few questions for anyone familiar with that area: 1.What is the transportaion like in the city? What is their pair transit system and how does it work (price, cab/van styled, etc.)? 2. Do you know of jany reasonably piced apartments or extended stys in the city? Thank you for your help, Bobbi Pompey From laurel.stockard at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 17:49:17 2014 From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel And Stockard) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 11:49:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions about Dallas, TX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08E85E14-AE28-4915-B485-C249B4C321F5@gmail.com> Hi, I live in the Dallas Fort Worth area, and could probably help you find a good place to stay in a good area. If you want, you can email me off list at laurel.stockard at gmail.com and I'd be happy to help you out. Laurel Laurel and Stockard > On Feb 5, 2014, at 11:31, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > > Hello, > > I am consideing taking an internship progrm in Dallas Texas this summer. The internship is not paid and no housing is provided. I have a few questions for anyone familiar with that area: > > 1.What is the transportaion like in the city? What is their pair transit system and how does it work (price, cab/van styled, etc.)? > 2. Do you know of jany reasonably piced apartments or extended stys in the city? > > Thank you for your help, > > Bobbi Pompey > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/laurel.stockard%40gmail.com From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 18:17:13 2014 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:17:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Video Calls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arielle, Like others I would suggest using the video call feature of Skype. It would probably be a good idea to make the call on your IPhone and access whatever materials you need for your presentation via your computer (or vice versa) so that you wouldn't have to worry about multi-tasking on the same device and accidentally disconnect the call in the process. I agree that it would be fine to ask your audience if they could see you properly, but if you have never done a video call interview before, I would also suggest doing a quick test-run with a sighted family member or friend just to get a general sense about how you might want to place the camera. Good luck! Katie On 2/4/14, minh ha wrote: > Arielle, > > Most of the virtual lectures that I've seen use the video feature in > skype to present. I know in our classrooms, we have projectors that > hook up to the laptops and magnify the screen so the audience can see > the lecturer better. You could also use facetime on your iPhone to > connect to someone's mac. As for the audience seeing you, I don't > think it would be inappropriate to ask if they can see you. Sighted > lecturers also have to do this. > > Minh > > On 2/4/14, Ashley Coleman wrote: >> Hi, you can use the video feature of Skype. The app is completely >> accessible. You need to turn on video once you're in the call though. You >> can use Skype on a phone or computer. >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 11:09 PM >> To: Blind Talk Mailing List ; National Association of Blind Students >> mailing >> >> list ; young_professionals at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Video Calls >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm doing a virtual presentation on Thursday and I think my audience >> will want to interact with me visually as well as listening to what I >> say. What's the most accessible way to do a video call? Which iPhone >> apps are most accessible? I think the group is used to using Google >> Hangouts. I have it on my phone and can access the contact list to >> call people, but once I'm in a call I can't read the screen at all >> with VoiceOver. Does video automatically start when a call connects? >> Are there other apps that are more accessible than Hangouts? And once >> I'm in a video call, what's the best way for me to aim the camera to >> ensure I'm being seen properly? >> >> Thanks for any help. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Wed Feb 5 19:03:28 2014 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:03:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: 2014 Prudential Internship for First- Year Law Students with Disabilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00e701cf22a4$f4b9c530$de2d4f90$@labarrelaw.com> Greetings, please feel free to distribute where appropriate. Best, Scott From: Commission on Disability Rights (Full) [mailto:CDR-FULL at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Miller, Tovah Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 10:24 AM To: CDR-FULL at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG Subject: 2014 Prudential Internship for First- Year Law Students with Disabilities Attached is the announcement for the 2014 1L Prudential Summer Internship Program. Please distribute this internship opportunity to first- year law students with disabilities and law school faculty and administrators. The deadline is Monday, February 24. M. Tovah Miller, J.D., M.S. Program Specialist Commission on Disability Rights (CDR) - Mail Stop 11.0 American Bar Association (ABA) 1050 Connecticut Avenue, NW Suite 400 Washington, DC 20036 T: 202-662-1572 F: 202-442-3439 Tovah.Miller at americanbar.org http://www.americanbar.org/groups/disabilityrights.html Commission's National Conference 4 th National Conference on Employment and Education Law Impacting Persons with Disabilities Wednesday, April 09, 2014 Los Angeles, CA ______________________________________ Thank you for your continued interest in this list. A summary of your discussion list subscriptions, including CDR-FULL, can be found at http://apps.americanbar.org/elistserv/home.cfm . This new List Subscription Page allows you to manage your lists - unsubscribe from existing or join others. 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My friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in general that private universities' disability services weren't as great as those of public universities. I know this is true for post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide braille and technology than are private schools--so I was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and appreciated! Yours sincerely, Sophie Trist _______________________________________________ I have a B.S. from Cornell University. I unfortunately am limited to what little I've been able to learn from a few month's exposure to other blind students and graduates and my own experience. When I was picking my college I applied and was accepted to three colleges; Cornell, the University of New Hampshire and Pen State. I was intimidated by Pen State's size and wrote it off. I was very gung ho to go to UNH until I met the disabilities office. The department head at the time sat me down and started explaining the differences between accommodations for high school versus the accommodations for college. It was very off putting. From the meeting I left remembering more things the office couldn't do rather than could do. Cornell was an entirely different office. Rather than tell me what they couldn't do, they told me what they could do, or what they were willing to try. They were quite positive and very approachable. To make a long story short, UNH offered me a full scholarship, Cornell offered enough so I'd pay $10,000 a year. I picked Cornell. Cornell did have other things going for it, such as more resources and greater availability to funding, but the sales job the SDS staff did played a huge roll in my choosing Cornell. I even have a job after graduating, all be it at my home dairy farm. Now I am looking to get into graduate school. Zachary Mason Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager Northwinds Farm (603) 922-8377 Work (603) 991-6747 Cell zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 806 U.S. Route 3 North Stratford, NH 03590 From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 20:47:55 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:47:55 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS presents: National Scholarship Program Call. Message-ID: <024650F8-ABE2-4CD0-B0C4-6111848ED4CD@gmail.com> Greetings all: Each year the National Federation of the Blind awards thirty scholarships to deserving blind students at our national convention. these people come from many different walks of life, have diverse backgrounds, aspirations and interests. They come from all over the country and chances are you’ve probably met one of them. well, on Sunday, you will find out how to be one of them! Join the National Association of Blind Students as we collaborate once again with our friend and fellow federationest Patti gregory-Chang. As chair of the national scholarship committee, she’ll let you in on the secret to a successful scholarship application, so you won’t want to miss it! When: Sunday, February 9, 2014 Where?: conference line: (605) 475-6700. Code: 786-9673. Talk to you then! The membership committee of the National Association of Blind Students. Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 20:56:19 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 15:56:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes In-Reply-To: References: <52f19a5e.82ddb60a.0687.ffffe242@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <01af01cf22b4$b8baa0d0$2a2fe270$@gmail.com> Are you using the I phone or jaws to do all o this Kaiti? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 10:33 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes Hi Kelsey, I am using Jaws 13 with the latest version of ITunes and am not having any major issues. Granted, I also make all my purchases on my IPhone like Katie, but as far as making playlists, using the radio, adding files and folders to my library, managing my IPhone settings, and navigating my list of songs in ITunes goes I am able to do all of that independently with little to no problem. If you're able to use an IDevice to make your purchases rather than your computer, I would highly recommend it. Especially since now you don't even need to get someone to read the codes on the back of gift cards with the new camera scanning option. All you do is peel the strip off the back of the card, go to redeem in the Itunes store at the bottom of the page, and select the option to use your camera to redeem your code. Hold the card a few inches in front of the camera for a few seconds, and the IPhone will recognize the code and will gather the information from the card for you. If you can do it this way, it would probably be much easier for you. On 2/4/14, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi Kelsey, > > If you have a recent version of JAWS, I would actually recommend for > you to go ahead and upgrade to ITunes 11 without buying the script and > see if you can use the interface well enough to do everything you need > to do. I use JAWS 14 and the latest version of ITunes to manage my > Ipod Touch independently - The interface is not the most user-friendly > in the world, but I'm able to get everything done without any issues. > Granted, I do manage most of my purchases directly on my Ipod Touch > rather than through ITunes, which might not be an option for you if > you use one of those simpler IPod models (Nano, Shuffle, etc.). > > Katie > > On 2/4/14, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >> Hello, >> I posted a similar question a while back, but I am once again >> experiencing problems with itudes and jaws. I am using a previous >> version of itunes because I have heard that the new one is not very >> jaws-friendly. Now, because of this, I can't make any purchases on >> the itunes store because my itunes is not being detected by apple's >> website. I already explained to them about the jaws issue with the >> new itunes, so at least they know why I can't upgrade. I do know >> that there is a script available for jaws users who use itunes 11, >> but it costs $6.99. My question is since I was inconvenienced by the >> issue of apple's website, would it be reasonable to ask them to >> re-imburse me for the inconvenience they caused by paying for the >> purchase of the script? I'm not in any way looking to file a >> complaint against them, but I just think that they could give me >> something in return for the inconvience of not being able to make >> purchases for a couple weeks. >> What do you think? >> Also, has anyone used the jaws script for itunes and if so, is it >> worth the trouble? >> Thanks, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gma >> il.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From leonardr.stamper at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 21:03:01 2014 From: leonardr.stamper at gmail.com (Leonard Stamper) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 16:03:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: <005f01cf22a7$85e146d0$91a3d470$@gmail.com> References: <005f01cf22a7$85e146d0$91a3d470$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F573113-4013-4138-8F0E-2FA96E912649@gmail.com> Hello my name is Leonard Stamper I am a junior massage therapist and I'll go to a private vocational school the Louisville school of massage therapy since I have been at the school massage they have made every accommodation for me they could and they did it with no protest whatsoever as a matter of fact they have made things accessible to me that I did not even realize that I needed I believe they do it because they truly care before then I was a student at Jefferson community and technical college here in Louisville Kentucky that you were very they were very lazy they did not help Harley at all I always got some kind of protest or excuse about my accommodations so in my opinion I feel like I have gone better services at a private school that I did at a public school thank you if you are deciding between a public college white private college I would suggest that you talk to students from both schools and get their opinions if they are disabled that would be even better thank you Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2014, at 2:21 PM, "Zach Mason" wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for a > > college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about which > > colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which is a private > > Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose mother is a professor > > at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that it was very > > difficult for blind people to attend private colleges because they weren't > > as good as protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in > > general that private universities' disability services weren't as great as > > those of public universities. I know this is true for post-secondary public > > schools--they're more able to provide braille and technology than are > > private schools--so I was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, > > is there a list that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that > > whenever we visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that > > those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if > > there was any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info > > or comments would be super helpful and appreciated! > > > > Yours sincerely, > > Sophie Trist > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > I have a B.S. from Cornell University. I unfortunately am limited to what > little I've been able to learn from a few month's exposure to other blind > students and graduates and my own experience. When I was picking my college > I applied and was accepted to three colleges; Cornell, the University of New > Hampshire and Pen State. I was intimidated by Pen State's size and wrote it > off. I was very gung ho to go to UNH until I met the disabilities office. > The department head at the time sat me down and started explaining the > differences between accommodations for high school versus the accommodations > for college. It was very off putting. From the meeting I left remembering > more things the office couldn't do rather than could do. Cornell was an > entirely different office. > > > > Rather than tell me what they couldn't do, they told me what they could do, > or what they were willing to try. They were quite positive and very > approachable. To make a long story short, UNH offered me a full scholarship, > Cornell offered enough so I'd pay $10,000 a year. I picked Cornell. Cornell > did have other things going for it, such as more resources and greater > availability to funding, but the sales job the SDS staff did played a huge > roll in my choosing Cornell. > > > > I even have a job after graduating, all be it at my home dairy farm. Now I > am looking to get into graduate school. > > > > Zachary Mason > > Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager > > Northwinds Farm > > (603) 922-8377 Work > > (603) 991-6747 Cell > > zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com > > > > 806 U.S. Route 3 > > North Stratford, NH 03590 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leonardr.stamper%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 21:54:28 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:54:28 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] And just when is the scholarship call? Message-ID: Hi all, Apologies for my failure to list a time for sunday’s call. The Scholarship call will take place on Sunday February 9 at 6p.m. Eastern Time. Please note the call-in information again: ( 605) 475-6700. Code: 786-9673. Regards, Darian From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 22:20:50 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 17:20:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] And just when is the scholarship call? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18C213CB75944B68A840553F3EF0A25E@Helga> Hi Mr. Darian, this is Helga. I just would like to inform you that the FABS confference call meeting will be at the same time as this one, and it will be at the same day. I'm actually thinking in attending the FABS connference call meeting, but I also would like to attend this meeting regarding the students scholarship, since I'm probably thinking to apply for it! But I don't know how can attend both meetings. I just wanted to ask you, would it be possible for yu to change the time meeting of one of these meetings, or change the day that the meetings will occur? I will really appreciate it a lot. I'm not saying that you have to do it, only if you can of course! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! -----Original Message----- From: Darian Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:54 PM To: Georgia Association of blind students ; Minnesota Association of blind students ; Kentucky Association of blind students ; Illinois Association of blind students ; Ctabs at nfbnet.org ; Michigan Association of blind students ; North Carolina Association of blind students ; Nebraska Association of blind students ; New Hampshire Association of blind students ; List for NABS State Presidents ; Missouri Association of Blind Students ; fabs at nfbnet.org ; cabs-talk blind students ; Colorado Association of Blind Students ; Massachusetts Association of blind students ; Texas Association of blind students ; Louisiana Association of blind students ; Maryland Association of blind students ; Ohio Association of blind students ; New Mexico Association of Blind Students ; Blind International Students Mailing List ; Alabama Association of blind students ; New Jersey Association of blind students ; Wisconsin Association of blind students ; New York Association of blind students ; Utah Association of blind students ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; West Virginia Association of blind students ; Tennessee Association of blind students ; Arizona Association of blind students Cc: Gabe Cazares Subject: [nabs-l] And just when is the scholarship call? Hi all, Apologies for my failure to list a time for sunday’s call. The Scholarship call will take place on Sunday February 9 at 6p.m. Eastern Time. Please note the call-in information again: ( 605) 475-6700. Code: 786-9673. Regards, Darian _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 22:40:06 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:40:06 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] And just when is the scholarship call? In-Reply-To: <18C213CB75944B68A840553F3EF0A25E@Helga> References: <18C213CB75944B68A840553F3EF0A25E@Helga> Message-ID: <22E2D6D3-70B4-43EC-97D9-55F003E76449@gmail.com> Hello, Because our guest speaker can only make this particular time, this is the time that we have. We are very fortunate to be able to have the chairperson of the scholarship committee and are very appreciative of the time that she has set aside to speak to us. I hope you and everyone else can make it! This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > On Feb 5, 2014, at 2:20 PM, wrote: > > Hi Mr. Darian, this is Helga. I just would like to inform you that the FABS confference call meeting will be at the same time as this one, and it will be at the same day. I'm actually thinking in attending the FABS connference call meeting, but I also would like to attend this meeting regarding the students scholarship, since I'm probably thinking to apply for it! But I don't know how can attend both meetings. I just wanted to ask you, would it be possible for yu to change the time meeting of one of these meetings, or change the day that the meetings will occur? I will really appreciate it a lot. I'm not saying that you have to do it, only if you can of course! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > > -----Original Message----- From: Darian Smith > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:54 PM > To: Georgia Association of blind students ; Minnesota Association of blind students ; Kentucky Association of blind students ; Illinois Association of blind students ; Ctabs at nfbnet.org ; Michigan Association of blind students ; North Carolina Association of blind students ; Nebraska Association of blind students ; New Hampshire Association of blind students ; List for NABS State Presidents ; Missouri Association of Blind Students ; fabs at nfbnet.org ; cabs-talk blind students ; Colorado Association of Blind Students ; Massachusetts Association of blind students ; Texas Association of blind students ; Louisiana Association of blind students ; Maryland Association of blind students ; Ohio Association of blind students ; New Mexico Association of Blind Students ; Blind International Students Mailing List ; Alabama Association of blind students ; New Jersey Association of blind students ; Wisconsin Association of blind students ; New York Association of blind students ; Utah Association of blind students ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; West Virginia Association of blind students ; Tennessee Association of blind students ; Arizona Association of blind students > Cc: Gabe Cazares > Subject: [nabs-l] And just when is the scholarship call? > > Hi all, > Apologies for my failure to list a time for sunday’s call. > The Scholarship call will take place on Sunday February 9 at 6p.m. Eastern Time. > > Please note the call-in information again: ( 605) 475-6700. Code: 786-9673. > > > Regards, > Darian > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 23:21:01 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:21:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tweet Your Senators to #FixWIA! In-Reply-To: <0N0J0010D827CU50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0N0J0010D827CU50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <003001cf22c8$ef96ba30$cec42e90$@gmail.com> Sami, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Even if you do not use Twitter or Facebook, I still encourage you to contact your Senators by phone or email. This means of communication is as much an integral part of our advocacy as the newer social media. Every bit helps. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of sami osborne Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 11:49 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Tweet Your Senators to #FixWIA! Hi. Unfortunately, I don't have Twitter or Facebook myself, but I would just like to take the time to thank Rose for this. In my opinion, you are absolutely right. People with disabilitys should have equal salaries in jobs as people without them, and also I agree that this organization should not move to the Department of Labor. For the members on this list, I think that we should also all be lucky that we live in a free country, with a democracy. In other words, everybody can protest against bills or acts that are proposed that people think would not bchefit them. So This is not like a dictatorship, where you have to agree to every decision no matter what. In fact, I don't know if any of you guys know this, but something like this was proposed by the governor of New York, (the state that I live in, was proposed a few years ago. Our governor, Andrew Cuomo, proposed to close all the 4201 schools, (schools for people with disabilitys), in New York. When this was proposed, there was a lot of rallys in New York to protest against this. One, which I went to, was in Albany. In fact, I think the video for that one is on Youtube, although I currently don't have the link. So during this, everyone protested and explained why closing 4201 schools would not benefit us. So I think that we have all proved to the governor that we didn't agree to this budget, because it wasn't passed, fortunately. So guys, as Rose said, let's speak up for this section 511 of the WIA and also the rehab proposal. If we all work together, I am sure that we will be able to prove to the Senators that we deserve better. And again, let's also be thankful that we live in a free country. With hope that the Senators will get our message, Sami. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rose Sloan ,nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:03:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tweet Your Senators to #FixWIA! Students: Today is #FixWIA Wednesday! No group spends more time on facebook and twitter than us. Please tweet and facebook your Senators to let them know that you are opposed to Section 511 of the Workforce Investment Act. This section, if passed, will allow any person with a disability who uses voc reshab services to enter subminimum wage sheltered employment. We deserve better. Additionally, the Senate version of WIA moves Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) from the Department of Education to the Department of Labor. No research supports the claim that this move will benefit people with disabilities. In fact, it is feared that services will be worse under the Department of Labor. Here is a list of twitter handles and facebook pages for every Senator. http://govsm.com/w/Senate. Let your voices be heard! Please take just a few seconds to express you concerns with WIA. Here are some sample tweets. Don't forget to tag your Senators! :) Nondisabled people receive "Rehab Services" from @usedgov, so should people with disabilities. Keep RSA in the Dep. of Ed. #rehabact #FixWia Sec. 511 puts subminimum wages of Sec 14(c) of the FLSA into the #rehabact. #FixWIA focus on competitive integrated employment. Shaking up #rehabact without data and research could adversely affect millions of PWDs. #FixWIA Sec. 511 will allow any PWD who uses voc rehab services to enter subminimum wage sheltered workshops. #FixWIA #Strike511 Thanks so much! Together, we will #FixWIA! If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me at rsloan at nfb.org. Best, Rose _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver izon.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Feb 5 23:28:47 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 18:28:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Video Calls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003101cf22ca$04f83fb0$0ee8bf10$@gmail.com> FaceTime will also work on an iPhone. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Coleman Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 11:14 PM To: Blind Talk Mailing List; National Association of Blind Students mailing list; young_professionals at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Video Calls Hi, you can use the video feature of Skype. The app is completely accessible. You need to turn on video once you're in the call though. You can use Skype on a phone or computer. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 11:09 PM To: Blind Talk Mailing List ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; young_professionals at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Video Calls Hi all, I'm doing a virtual presentation on Thursday and I think my audience will want to interact with me visually as well as listening to what I say. What's the most accessible way to do a video call? Which iPhone apps are most accessible? I think the group is used to using Google Hangouts. I have it on my phone and can access the contact list to call people, but once I'm in a call I can't read the screen at all with VoiceOver. Does video automatically start when a call connects? Are there other apps that are more accessible than Hangouts? And once I'm in a video call, what's the best way for me to aim the camera to ensure I'm being seen properly? Thanks for any help. Best, Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 01:48:27 2014 From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 20:48:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Questions Message-ID: <013601cf22dd$899df120$9cd9d360$@gmail.com> Hello Justen, This information might be too little, too late, but just offering. I took the Voice GRE just as they were phasing out the old GRE back in 2012. It had much to be desired at the time. I was 100% a PC and JAWS guy, and never used a Mac or iDevice, so that probably didn't help when it came time to writing the essays. I will never take the Voice GRE again. My scores were well below in the writing section. (Not trying to scare you.) I am now brushing up on Braille in preparation to take the Braille GRE. It has proven a time-consuming process to obtain Braille practice material. I would recommend requesting at least four months in advance to the time you believe it will take you to prepare for the GRE if you intend to take the Braille one. It took far less time to get the Voice practice material. Also, I wouldn't be hesitant to hound ETS weekly. I've only spoken to one ETS representative who is knowledgeable about testing accessibility. Her name is Nora Hallenbeck. I have her contact information below. Nora L. Hallenbeck Senior Customer Service Representative GPE Disability Services Telephone number: 1-866-387-8602 Fax number: 609-771-7165 Direct telephone number: 609-359-7617 Email: nhallenbeck at ets.org I'm including a link to accessible GRE practice material. http://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities/ So I would budget about 1 to 4 months, depending on your test format preference, to get practice material, and 8 to 12 weeks to actually study for the GRE. There is also test material online, sometimes not 100% accessible, but feasible to use that will help you learn just how much studying is needed. I'd probably aim to have a test date when you call ETS for practice material, but I'd inquire if that's the best way to do it. Sometimes they have trouble scheduling. I've never found GRE classes helpful. Whether or not that's a matter of me not knowing how best to manage my accommodations or if it's just because I learn best by teaching myself I don't know. Best of luck! Zac Zachary Mason Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager Northwinds Farm (603) 922-8377 Work (603) 991-6747 Cell zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 806 U.S. Route 3 North Stratford, NH 03590 From zdreicer at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 02:41:24 2014 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 19:41:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS presents: National Scholarship Program Call. In-Reply-To: <024650F8-ABE2-4CD0-B0C4-6111848ED4CD@gmail.com> References: <024650F8-ABE2-4CD0-B0C4-6111848ED4CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: What time will this call take place please? Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver > On Feb 5, 2014, at 13:47, Darian Smith wrote: > > Greetings all: > > > Each year the National Federation of the Blind awards thirty scholarships to deserving blind students at our national convention. > these people come from many different walks of life, have diverse backgrounds, aspirations and interests. > They come from all over the country and chances are you’ve probably met one of them. > well, on Sunday, you will find out how to be one of them! > > Join the National Association of Blind Students as we collaborate once again with our friend and fellow federationest Patti gregory-Chang. > As chair of the national scholarship committee, she’ll let you in on the secret to a successful scholarship application, so you won’t want to miss it! > > When: Sunday, February 9, 2014 > Where?: conference line: (605) 475-6700. Code: 786-9673. > Talk to you then! > The membership committee of the National Association of Blind Students. > > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 02:50:09 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 21:50:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS presents: National Scholarship Program Call. In-Reply-To: References: <024650F8-ABE2-4CD0-B0C4-6111848ED4CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Zach, The call will take place Sunday at 6 PM EST. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:41 PM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" wrote: > > What time will this call take place please? > > Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver > >> On Feb 5, 2014, at 13:47, Darian Smith wrote: >> >> Greetings all: >> >> >> Each year the National Federation of the Blind awards thirty scholarships to deserving blind students at our national convention. >> these people come from many different walks of life, have diverse backgrounds, aspirations and interests. >> They come from all over the country and chances are you’ve probably met one of them. >> well, on Sunday, you will find out how to be one of them! >> >> Join the National Association of Blind Students as we collaborate once again with our friend and fellow federationest Patti gregory-Chang. >> As chair of the national scholarship committee, she’ll let you in on the secret to a successful scholarship application, so you won’t want to miss it! >> >> When: Sunday, February 9, 2014 >> Where?: conference line: (605) 475-6700. Code: 786-9673. >> Talk to you then! >> The membership committee of the National Association of Blind Students. >> >> >> Darian Smith >> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >> >> www.nabslink.org >> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >>> >>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 02:52:59 2014 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 19:52:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS presents: National Scholarship Program Call. In-Reply-To: References: <024650F8-ABE2-4CD0-B0C4-6111848ED4CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <353AB514-AF3A-4400-81A4-5DA51A114D38@gmail.com> Thank you! I'm sorry I have not contacted you lately, I will try to do it sometime. Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver > On Feb 5, 2014, at 19:50, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Zach, > > The call will take place Sunday at 6 PM EST. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:41 PM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" wrote: >> >> What time will this call take place please? >> >> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver >> >>> On Feb 5, 2014, at 13:47, Darian Smith wrote: >>> >>> Greetings all: >>> >>> >>> Each year the National Federation of the Blind awards thirty scholarships to deserving blind students at our national convention. >>> these people come from many different walks of life, have diverse backgrounds, aspirations and interests. >>> They come from all over the country and chances are you’ve probably met one of them. >>> well, on Sunday, you will find out how to be one of them! >>> >>> Join the National Association of Blind Students as we collaborate once again with our friend and fellow federationest Patti gregory-Chang. >>> As chair of the national scholarship committee, she’ll let you in on the secret to a successful scholarship application, so you won’t want to miss it! >>> >>> When: Sunday, February 9, 2014 >>> Where?: conference line: (605) 475-6700. Code: 786-9673. >>> Talk to you then! >>> The membership committee of the National Association of Blind Students. >>> >>> >>> Darian Smith >>> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >>> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >>> >>> www.nabslink.org >>> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >>>> >>>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >>>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >>>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 03:05:33 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 22:05:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS presents: National Scholarship Program Call. In-Reply-To: <353AB514-AF3A-4400-81A4-5DA51A114D38@gmail.com> References: <024650F8-ABE2-4CD0-B0C4-6111848ED4CD@gmail.com> <353AB514-AF3A-4400-81A4-5DA51A114D38@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19D0A545-E23B-4C28-87DD-668CB75AD801@gmail.com> That's understandable. You're busy training at CCB. Contact me when you can. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:52 PM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" wrote: > > Thank you! I'm sorry I have not contacted you lately, I will try to do it sometime. > > Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver > >> On Feb 5, 2014, at 19:50, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> >> Zach, >> >> The call will take place Sunday at 6 PM EST. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 5, 2014, at 9:41 PM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" wrote: >>> >>> What time will this call take place please? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver >>> >>>> On Feb 5, 2014, at 13:47, Darian Smith wrote: >>>> >>>> Greetings all: >>>> >>>> >>>> Each year the National Federation of the Blind awards thirty scholarships to deserving blind students at our national convention. >>>> these people come from many different walks of life, have diverse backgrounds, aspirations and interests. >>>> They come from all over the country and chances are you’ve probably met one of them. >>>> well, on Sunday, you will find out how to be one of them! >>>> >>>> Join the National Association of Blind Students as we collaborate once again with our friend and fellow federationest Patti gregory-Chang. >>>> As chair of the national scholarship committee, she’ll let you in on the secret to a successful scholarship application, so you won’t want to miss it! >>>> >>>> When: Sunday, February 9, 2014 >>>> Where?: conference line: (605) 475-6700. Code: 786-9673. >>>> Talk to you then! >>>> The membership committee of the National Association of Blind Students. >>>> >>>> >>>> Darian Smith >>>> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students >>>> dsmithnfb at gmail.com >>>> >>>> www.nabslink.org >>>> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >>>>> >>>>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >>>>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >>>>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 04:30:14 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:30:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes In-Reply-To: <01af01cf22b4$b8baa0d0$2a2fe270$@gmail.com> References: <52f19a5e.82ddb60a.0687.ffffe242@mx.google.com> <01af01cf22b4$b8baa0d0$2a2fe270$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Justin, What specifically are you referring to when you say, "All of this?" I use ITunes and Jaws for everything I can, but the redeem using camera feature I described is an IPhone thing. I've been an ITunes user since I got my first IPod almost 10 years ago and have never really encountered the significant problems with ITunes and Jaws that people have complained about. With the exception of using the store in recent versions of ITunes, I've been able to use the program even without scripts a lot, especially with the hot keys including space and the left and right arrows for playback. A lot of it is just tabbing and shift tabbing around, and knowing how to cut corners with shortcuts. On 2/5/14, justin williams wrote: > Are you using the I phone or jaws to do all o this Kaiti? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 10:33 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes > > Hi Kelsey, > > I am using Jaws 13 with the latest version of ITunes and am not having any > major issues. Granted, I also make all my purchases on my IPhone like > Katie, but as far as making playlists, using the radio, adding files and > folders to my library, managing my IPhone settings, and navigating my list > of songs in ITunes goes I am able to do all of that independently with > little to no problem. > > If you're able to use an IDevice to make your purchases rather than your > computer, I would highly recommend it. Especially since now you don't even > need to get someone to read the codes on the back of gift > cards with the new camera scanning option. All you do is peel the > strip off the back of the card, go to redeem in the Itunes store at the > bottom of the page, and select the option to use your camera to redeem your > code. Hold the card a few inches in front of the camera for a few seconds, > and the IPhone will recognize the code and will gather the information from > the card for you. If you can do it this way, it would probably be much > easier for you. > > On 2/4/14, Katie Wang wrote: >> Hi Kelsey, >> >> If you have a recent version of JAWS, I would actually recommend for >> you to go ahead and upgrade to ITunes 11 without buying the script and >> see if you can use the interface well enough to do everything you need >> to do. I use JAWS 14 and the latest version of ITunes to manage my >> Ipod Touch independently - The interface is not the most user-friendly >> in the world, but I'm able to get everything done without any issues. >> Granted, I do manage most of my purchases directly on my Ipod Touch >> rather than through ITunes, which might not be an option for you if >> you use one of those simpler IPod models (Nano, Shuffle, etc.). >> >> Katie >> >> On 2/4/14, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I posted a similar question a while back, but I am once again >>> experiencing problems with itudes and jaws. I am using a previous >>> version of itunes because I have heard that the new one is not very >>> jaws-friendly. Now, because of this, I can't make any purchases on >>> the itunes store because my itunes is not being detected by apple's >>> website. I already explained to them about the jaws issue with the >>> new itunes, so at least they know why I can't upgrade. I do know >>> that there is a script available for jaws users who use itunes 11, >>> but it costs $6.99. My question is since I was inconvenienced by the >>> issue of apple's website, would it be reasonable to ask them to >>> re-imburse me for the inconvenience they caused by paying for the >>> purchase of the script? I'm not in any way looking to file a >>> complaint against them, but I just think that they could give me >>> something in return for the inconvience of not being able to make >>> purchases for a couple weeks. >>> What do you think? >>> Also, has anyone used the jaws script for itunes and if so, is it >>> worth the trouble? >>> Thanks, >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gma >>> il.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 6 07:29:44 2014 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 02:29:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Ncabs] "I retreat from no challenge" a perfect summer getaway to learn! References: Message-ID: Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey Begin forwarded message: > From: "Alan A. Chase" > Date: February 5, 2014 at 11:32:21 PM EST > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Subject: [Ncabs] "I retreat from no challenge" a perfect summer getaway to learn! > Reply-To: North Carolina Association of Blind Students List > > Only 18 slots remain for the 2014 EYE Retreat! The EYE Retreat is in > its 6th year and is a week long camp designed to help students with > visual impairments transition to higher education. Big changes are > coming in 2014.... > > 1. We will not have a mock class this year. Instead, students will > sit in on two actual classes at NC State University. We hope this > experience will be more meaningful and realistic. > 2. Students will be provided a few opportunities to eat lunch off > campus with their groups to practice money management and travel > skills. > > However, some things will remain the same.... > > 1. Peer mentoring, real world application of skills, and > identification of avaiable resources are still our focus areas. > 2. It is only $15 to attend plus transportation to Raleigh. > 3. A staff of smiley mentors are already waiting for you to arrive! > > Sign up today! www.eyeretreat.edublogs.org > > -- > Alan A. Chase, M.Ed. > Exceptional Children Program Facilitator, Durham Public Schools > Program Coordinator, Envisioning Youth Empowerment Retreat > President, North Carolina Association of Blind Students > Secretary, Governor Morehead School Alumni Association > > _______________________________________________ > Ncabs mailing list > Ncabs at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/ncabs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Ncabs: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/ncabs_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 07:58:09 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 02:58:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes In-Reply-To: References: <52f19a5e.82ddb60a.0687.ffffe242@mx.google.com> <01af01cf22b4$b8baa0d0$2a2fe270$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005001cf2311$2db8b690$892a23b0$@gmail.com> Okay, I got you. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 11:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes Hi Justin, What specifically are you referring to when you say, "All of this?" I use ITunes and Jaws for everything I can, but the redeem using camera feature I described is an IPhone thing. I've been an ITunes user since I got my first IPod almost 10 years ago and have never really encountered the significant problems with ITunes and Jaws that people have complained about. With the exception of using the store in recent versions of ITunes, I've been able to use the program even without scripts a lot, especially with the hot keys including space and the left and right arrows for playback. A lot of it is just tabbing and shift tabbing around, and knowing how to cut corners with shortcuts. On 2/5/14, justin williams wrote: > Are you using the I phone or jaws to do all o this Kaiti? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > Shelton > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 10:33 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes > > Hi Kelsey, > > I am using Jaws 13 with the latest version of ITunes and am not having > any major issues. Granted, I also make all my purchases on my IPhone > like Katie, but as far as making playlists, using the radio, adding > files and folders to my library, managing my IPhone settings, and > navigating my list of songs in ITunes goes I am able to do all of that > independently with little to no problem. > > If you're able to use an IDevice to make your purchases rather than > your computer, I would highly recommend it. Especially since now you > don't even need to get someone to read the codes on the back of gift > cards with the new camera scanning option. All you do is peel the > strip off the back of the card, go to redeem in the Itunes store at > the bottom of the page, and select the option to use your camera to > redeem your code. Hold the card a few inches in front of the camera > for a few seconds, and the IPhone will recognize the code and will > gather the information from the card for you. If you can do it this > way, it would probably be much easier for you. > > On 2/4/14, Katie Wang wrote: >> Hi Kelsey, >> >> If you have a recent version of JAWS, I would actually recommend for >> you to go ahead and upgrade to ITunes 11 without buying the script >> and see if you can use the interface well enough to do everything you >> need to do. I use JAWS 14 and the latest version of ITunes to manage >> my Ipod Touch independently - The interface is not the most >> user-friendly in the world, but I'm able to get everything done without any issues. >> Granted, I do manage most of my purchases directly on my Ipod Touch >> rather than through ITunes, which might not be an option for you if >> you use one of those simpler IPod models (Nano, Shuffle, etc.). >> >> Katie >> >> On 2/4/14, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I posted a similar question a while back, but I am once again >>> experiencing problems with itudes and jaws. I am using a previous >>> version of itunes because I have heard that the new one is not very >>> jaws-friendly. Now, because of this, I can't make any purchases on >>> the itunes store because my itunes is not being detected by apple's >>> website. I already explained to them about the jaws issue with the >>> new itunes, so at least they know why I can't upgrade. I do know >>> that there is a script available for jaws users who use itunes 11, >>> but it costs $6.99. My question is since I was inconvenienced by >>> the issue of apple's website, would it be reasonable to ask them to >>> re-imburse me for the inconvenience they caused by paying for the >>> purchase of the script? I'm not in any way looking to file a >>> complaint against them, but I just think that they could give me >>> something in return for the inconvience of not being able to make >>> purchases for a couple weeks. >>> What do you think? >>> Also, has anyone used the jaws script for itunes and if so, is it >>> worth the trouble? >>> Thanks, >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gm >>> a >>> il.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >> % >> 40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 15:13:40 2014 From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 10:13:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws and itunes Message-ID: <01de01cf234e$063ac5d0$12b05170$@gmail.com> Thanks Kaiti! That simplifies things greatly. Although my family is great about helping me, we are all a bit forgetful, and over busy. Zac Hi Kelsey, I am using Jaws 13 with the latest version of ITunes and am not having any major issues. Granted, I also make all my purchases on my IPhone like Katie, but as far as making playlists, using the radio, adding files and folders to my library, managing my IPhone settings, and navigating my list of songs in ITunes goes I am able to do all of that independently with little to no problem. If you're able to use an IDevice to make your purchases rather than your computer, I would highly recommend it. Especially since now you don't even need to get someone to read the codes on the back of gift cards with the new camera scanning option. All you do is peel the strip off the back of the card, go to redeem in the Itunes store at the bottom of the page, and select the option to use your camera to redeem your code. Hold the card a few inches in front of the camera for a few seconds, and the IPhone will recognize the code and will gather the information from the card for you. If you can do it this way, it would probably be much easier for you. On 2/4/14, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi Kelsey, > > If you have a recent version of JAWS, I would actually recommend for > you to go ahead and upgrade to ITunes 11 without buying the script and > see if you can use the interface well enough to do everything you need > to do. I use JAWS 14 and the latest version of ITunes to manage my > Ipod Touch independently - The interface is not the most user-friendly > in the world, but I'm able to get everything done without any issues. > Granted, I do manage most of my purchases directly on my Ipod Touch > rather than through ITunes, which might not be an option for you if > you use one of those simpler IPod models (Nano, Shuffle, etc.). > > Katie > > On 2/4/14, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >> Hello, >> I posted a similar question a while back, but I am once again >> experiencing problems with itudes and jaws. I am using a >> previous version of itunes because I have heard that the new one >> is not very jaws-friendly. Now, because of this, I can't make >> any purchases on the itunes store because my itunes is not being >> detected by apple's website. I already explained to them about >> the jaws issue with the new itunes, so at least they know why I >> can't upgrade. I do know that there is a script available for >> jaws users who use itunes 11, but it costs $6.99. My question is >> since I was inconvenienced by the issue of apple's website, would >> it be reasonable to ask them to re-imburse me for the >> inconvenience they caused by paying for the purchase of the >> script? I'm not in any way looking to file a complaint against >> them, but I just think that they could give me something in >> return for the inconvience of not being able to make purchases >> for a couple weeks. >> What do you think? >> Also, has anyone used the jaws script for itunes and if so, is it >> worth the trouble? >> Thanks, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmai l.com > -- Kaiti ------------------------------ From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 15:53:11 2014 From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 10:53:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards Message-ID: <01f701cf2353$8d28e900$a77abb00$@gmail.com> Hello again, I find using a Pen Friend or slate and stylus to be effective means for labeling business cards. I noticed the first, and so far only time I used the Pen Friend, that the reps at the Perkins Job Fair were somewhat taken aback, but intrigued to tell me their information. My preference is to have the information in Braille, but sometimes, even the slate and stylus is difficult for me to use quickly enough. So after I get their information, that is if I decide I want to contact them again, I braille it out at home. Zac Zachary Mason Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager Northwinds Farm (603) 922-8377 Work (603) 991-6747 Cell zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 806 U.S. Route 3 North Stratford, NH 03590 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 10:47:03 -0500 From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Business cards Hi all, I've been getting a lot of business cards lately, and I anticipate I will only get more as I start doing field experience and attending more professional conferences. I always feel weird accepting business cards because knowing me, if something isn't either electronic or braille I'm going to lose it, or put it in my wallet and have no clue what it is when I get it out later. I try to take down notes in my notetaker whenever I can, but sometimes people don't understand why I want to write down their email address or something when they could just give me their business card. (It happens, even with the cane). For example, in my university library the other day I was working with a reference specialist to access some databases. I was having a lot of trouble because something eeither with Jaws, my internet explorer settings, or both is causing accessibility issues. He knew I used jaws, but at the end he was like, "Have a business card and email me so we can set up a time to fix this. My address is on the card." Has anyone come up with a good way to manage these cards, or to work around taking the cards at all in lieu of electronic notation of the information without being rude or too assertive? -- Kaiti From dandrews at visi.com Thu Feb 6 20:56:51 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 14:56:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Word Press Course for the Blind Message-ID: Also, could you post the attached message to the blind webmasters list? I'm not sure if this got posted before. The Cavi wordpress course is low on participants and won't run this semester if they don't get more people. The deadline is tomorrow. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: WordPress course blurb Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:02:27 -0500 From: Amanda Rush To: jfayre at gmail.com If you've taken Cavi's Intro to HTML5 and CSS course, you have a solid foundation in HTML, CSS, and web design. You have the skills necessary to build and maintain a small personal or business website. You know more than most people about how to build accessible web pages that look good too. Is that enough, or do you want to build a medium to large website with a lot of new content? Do you want to launch a business with pages that gracefully feature your products and that make shopping easy for your customers? Do you want to have access to tools that extend your reach as a web designer while saving you time and unnecessary repetitive work? Or maybe you've always wanted to host a podcast with a site where you can post your ideas and projects. If your answer to any of these questions is yes, the Cisco Academy for the Vision Impaired is launching a new course about web design using WordPress, a powerful and high quality content management system. You may know about WordPress from reading blogs. What you may not know is that WordPress can do far more than blogging. It is a fully functional web design platform with security features and flexibility. It can easily generate search engine friendly link structures, add contact forms, integrate shopping carts for products, generate sitemaps, and makes adding new content for you or your support team easy. You've seen what happens when a hand-coded site grows large quickly. It's tough to make systemic changes because you have to manually fix each page. A CMS prevents that from happening. You need some foundational web design knowledge to really make a CMS do what you want. You got most of that in the HTML class. You can stop here if you plan to stick with a small website, say 10 pages or less. If your dreams and goals are bigger than that, the CMS fundamentals course can teach you how to make WordPress do your heavy lifting so you can focus on providing content, products, or services to people online. This course will teach things like: How to install WordPress securely How to secure your site's content effectively How to choose themes to make your site look great How to make WordPress pages look like a website, not a blog How to use plugins to tweak and add powerful features to your site How to add multimedia and photos to your site How to integrate search engine optimization into every page as its built How to integrate social media so your site visitors can start conversations with you about your products or site How to make it easy for nontechnical people on your support team to add content And much, much more. Does this interest you? If it does, please write to caviinfo @ ciscovision . org (without the spaces) to let us know you'd like to enroll. We don't need a new application if you're a current student or alumni of the HTML course. Knowledge of HTML is assumed in this course, so you either need to be an HTML graduate when it starts or have a demonstrable background in HTML to be sure you know HTML well enough to keep up with the course. The course, as with all CAVI courses, will begin in the third week of February. From mikgephart at icloud.com Thu Feb 6 21:16:46 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 16:16:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] IOS Video Message-ID: <29BD0A2B-B47B-43DF-8BA4-5264DFEA354E@icloud.com> Here is a video sent to me by the NFBNJ Technology Devision. Please listen and share. Best, Mikayla http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vIQWyp13beE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvIQWyp13beE%26feature%3Dyoutu.be Sent from my iPad From mikgephart at icloud.com Thu Feb 6 22:18:26 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:18:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Brainpop Message-ID: Hi, Has anyone had any luck with the Brainpop website? My science class watches videos and takes quizes, and I need to be able to do that? Thanks. Best, Mikaylae Sent from my iPad From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 23:40:04 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 15:40:04 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f41d83.c619440a.1f95.fffff8eb@mx.google.com> Allright, so here's the deal. I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? From matt.dierckens at me.com Thu Feb 6 23:41:27 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 18:41:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f41d83.c619440a.1f95.fffff8eb@mx.google.com> References: <52f41d83.c619440a.1f95.fffff8eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Yeah I ment to say DVS. :) Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:40 PM, marissa wrote: > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 23:47:00 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 15:47:00 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f41f22.ca41420a.7104.1469@mx.google.com> DVS? ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Dierckens wrote: Allright, so here's the deal. I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.diercken s%40me.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Thu Feb 6 23:55:03 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f41d83.c619440a.1f95.fffff8eb@mx.google.com> References: <52f41d83.c619440a.1f95.fffff8eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Marissa, It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment with the braille music code. I could send you something that lists the code (e.g. 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, that’s just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high school band music reasonably well, you’d need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you need is the Primer of Braille Music. That’s the best book there is for learning braille music. You can get it from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. I can’t remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if it was, you should. They’re a great resource. If you contact their music division and ask for the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for starting to learn braille music. Then, if you’re serious, there are two summer programs into which you could look. There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program for fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really serious, to the point where you are seriously considering studying music in college, there is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National Resource Center for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The National Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the director really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. Ryan On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa wrote: > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From matt.dierckens at me.com Thu Feb 6 23:56:25 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 18:56:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f41f22.ca41420a.7104.1469@mx.google.com> References: <52f41f22.ca41420a.7104.1469@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <30C574C3-DFEF-405D-A308-2F82549CA215@me.com> hey sorry about that, didn't mean to send that message here. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:47 PM, marissa wrote: > > DVS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Matthew Dierckens To: National Association Of Blind Students Mailing List Date sent: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 18:41:27 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Yeah I ment to say DVS. :) > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:40 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.diercken > s%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 00:00:11 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 16:00:11 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f4223a.2af0420a.51e4.10fc@mx.google.com> That's allright. I don't mind. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Dierckens wrote: DVS? ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Dierckens wrote: Allright, so here's the deal. I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.diercken s%40me.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.diercken s%40me.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 00:00:13 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 16:00:13 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f4223c.2af0420a.51e4.10fe@mx.google.com> Ok,=20so=20now=20I've=20heard=20of=20three=20different=20books=20for=20star= ting=20 braille=20music.=20=20So=20confusing. "An=20Introduction=20to=20Braille=20Music"=20by=20Richard=20Tesh. the=20one=20you=20listed and=20a=20third,=20which=20I=20cannot=20place=20the=20name=20of=20right=20n= ow,=20but=20I=20 know=20what=20it=20is=20called.=20=20It=20was=20on=20another=20topic,=20"re= ading=20=20 braille=20music"=20on=20this=20list. Yes,=20I=20have=20never=20used=20the=20library.=20=20Is=20there=20a=20way=20= to=20contact=20 them=20by=20email,=20and=20have=20the=20book=20sent=20to=20me=20by=20mail,= =20instead=20of=20 having=20to=20call=20them? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20 wrote: =20Allright,=20so=20here's=20the=20deal. =20I=20got=20my=20music=20from=20my=20band=20director=20and=20gave=20it=20t= o=20the=20Special=20 Ed=20Director,=20who=20then=20gave=20a=20coppy=20to=20one=20of=20my=20TVIS,= =20who=20is=20 sending=20it=20to=20the=20braille=20institute=20to=20have=20it=20brailled=20= apparently. =20That=20is=20great,=20yes,=20but=20I=20cannot=20read=20it. =20Could=20someone=20please=20find=20an=20index=20of=20all=20music=20notes= =20and=20either=20 send=20me=20a=20link,=20or=20send=20me=20an=20attatchment?=20I=20can=20send= =20it=20to=20my=20 brailleest=20and=20she=20can=20braille=20it=20for=20me. =20Also,=20is=20there=20a=20way=20to=20get=20books=20from=20the=20nabs=20li= brary=20without=20 having=20to=20call=20them? =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 00:07:50 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f4223c.2af0420a.51e4.10fe@mx.google.com> References: <52f4223c.2af0420a.51e4.10fe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I don’t think so. I think you will have to call them. I mean, if you really, really didn’t want to call them, I wouldn’t mind shipping you my copy since I haven’t used it in years. While Richard Tesh’s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best one to use. If you think back to elementary school and those very basic grammar books that everyone uses in first and second grade—that’s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It’s the book most every blind musician I know uses first. I wouldn’t say no to getting both, though. Then you could take what you choose from both sources. Ryan On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa wrote: > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music. So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment with the braille music code. I could send you something that lists the code (e.g. 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, that’s just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high school band music reasonably well, you’d need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you need is the Primer of Braille Music. That’s the best book there is for learning braille music. You can get it from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. I can’t remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if it was, you should. They’re a great resource. If you contact their music division and ask for the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for starting to learn braille music. Then, if you’re serious, there are two summer programs into which you could look. There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program for fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really serious, to the point where you are seriously considering studying music in college, there is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National Resource Center for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The National Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the director really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 00:15:26 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 16:15:26 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f425cd.635e440a.7f21.1838@mx.google.com> Wow.=20=20They=20really=20should=20make=20it=20accessable=20to=20just=20put= =20in=20a=20form=20 to=20send=20the=20book.=20=20Make=20it=20a=20lot=20easer=20on=20people. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20 wrote: =20Ok,=20so=20now=20I've=20heard=20of=20three=20different=20books=20for=20s= tarting=20 braille=20music.=20=20So=20confusing. =20"An=20Introduction=20to=20Braille=20Music"=20by=20Richard=20Tesh. =20the=20one=20you=20listed =20and=20a=20third,=20which=20I=20cannot=20place=20the=20name=20of=20right= =20now,=20but=20I=20 know=20what=20it=20is=20called.=20=20It=20was=20on=20another=20topic,=20"re= ading=20=20 braille=20music"=20on=20this=20list. =20Yes,=20I=20have=20never=20used=20the=20library.=20=20Is=20there=20a=20wa= y=20to=20contact=20 them=20by=20email,=20and=20have=20the=20book=20sent=20to=20me=20by=20mail,= =20instead=20of=20 having=20to=20call=20them? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20Allright,=20so=20here's=20the=20deal. =20I=20got=20my=20music=20from=20my=20band=20director=20and=20gave=20it=20t= o=20the=20Special=20 Ed=20Director,=20who=20then=20gave=20a=20coppy=20to=20one=20of=20my=20TVIS,= =20who=20is=20 sending=20it=20to=20the=20braille=20institute=20to=20have=20it=20brailled=20= apparently. =20That=20is=20great,=20yes,=20but=20I=20cannot=20read=20it. =20Could=20someone=20please=20find=20an=20index=20of=20all=20music=20notes= =20and=20either=20 send=20me=20a=20link,=20or=20send=20me=20an=20attatchment?=20I=20can=20send= =20it=20to=20my=20 brailleest=20and=20she=20can=20braille=20it=20for=20me. =20Also,=20is=20there=20a=20way=20to=20get=20books=20from=20the=20nabs=20li= brary=20without=20 having=20to=20call=20them? =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei =20ra%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl =20ife7%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 00:20:15 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f425cd.635e440a.7f21.1838@mx.google.com> References: <52f425cd.635e440a.7f21.1838@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I know. Sadly, they don’t. Ryan On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa wrote: > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a form to send the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I don€™t think so. I think you will have to call them. I mean, if you really, really didn€™t want to call them, I wouldn€™t mind shipping you my copy since I haven€™t used it in years. While Richard Tesh€™s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best one to use. If you think back to elementary school and those very basic grammar books that everyone uses in first and second grade€”that€™s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It€™s the book most every blind musician I know uses first. I wouldn€™t say no to getting both, though. Then you could take what you choose from both sources. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music. So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment with the braille music code. I could send you something that lists the code (e.g. 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, that’s just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high school band music reasonably well, you’d need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you need is the Primer of Braille Music. That’s the best book there is for learning braille music. You can get it from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. I can’t remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if it was, you should. They’re a great resource. If you contact their music division and ask for the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for starting to learn braille music. Then, if you’re serious, there are two summer programs into which you could look. There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program for fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really serious, to the point where you are seriously considering studying music in college, there is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National Resource Center for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The National Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the director really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 00:49:54 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 16:49:54 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f42de0.2624440a.5f26.1774@mx.google.com> So=20every=20time=20I=20want=20a=20braille=20book,=20I=20have=20to=20call=20= NLS? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20 wrote: =20Wow.=20=20They=20really=20should=20make=20it=20accessable=20to=20just=20= put=20in=20a=20 form=20to=20send=20the=20book.=20=20Make=20it=20a=20lot=20easer=20on=20peop= le. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20Ok,=20so=20now=20I've=20heard=20of=20three=20different=20books=20for=20s= tarting=20 braille=20music.=20=20So=20confusing. =20"An=20Introduction=20to=20Braille=20Music"=20by=20Richard=20Tesh. =20the=20one=20you=20listed =20and=20a=20third,=20which=20I=20cannot=20place=20the=20name=20of=20right= =20now,=20but=20I=20 know=20what=20it=20is=20called.=20=20It=20was=20on=20another=20topic,=20"re= ading=20=20 braille=20music"=20on=20this=20list. =20Yes,=20I=20have=20never=20used=20the=20library.=20=20Is=20there=20a=20wa= y=20to=20contact=20 them=20by=20email,=20and=20have=20the=20book=20sent=20to=20me=20by=20mail,= =20instead=20of=20 having=20to=20call=20them? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20Allright,=20so=20here's=20the=20deal. =20I=20got=20my=20music=20from=20my=20band=20director=20and=20gave=20it=20t= o=20the=20Special=20 Ed=20Director,=20who=20then=20gave=20a=20coppy=20to=20one=20of=20my=20TVIS,= =20who=20is=20 sending=20it=20to=20the=20braille=20institute=20to=20have=20it=20brailled=20= apparently. =20That=20is=20great,=20yes,=20but=20I=20cannot=20read=20it. =20Could=20someone=20please=20find=20an=20index=20of=20all=20music=20notes= =20and=20either=20 send=20me=20a=20link,=20or=20send=20me=20an=20attatchment?=20I=20can=20send= =20it=20to=20my=20 brailleest=20and=20she=20can=20braille=20it=20for=20me. =20Also,=20is=20there=20a=20way=20to=20get=20books=20from=20the=20nabs=20li= brary=20without=20 having=20to=20call=20them? =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei =20ra%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl =20ife7%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei =20ra%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl =20ife7%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 01:15:42 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:15:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f42de0.2624440a.5f26.1774@mx.google.com> References: <52f42de0.2624440a.5f26.1774@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <018D1266-494A-4F51-8BE7-A58D600CAABD@gmail.com> Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from their site. It’s called Web braille. I don’t know how to use it because I never have done, but basically, if you’re registered, you search what you want and then download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already in Braille format and emboss it. I don’t know how many books they have in that format. Mostly, I think, it’s just individual pieces (Beethoven’s Ninth Simphony, for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I don’t know. Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don’t be shy. They’re wicked nice and very helpful. Ryan On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa wrote: > > So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I know. Sadly, they don€™t. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a form to send the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I don > €™t think so. I think you will have to call them. I mean, if you really, really didn > €™t want to call them, I wouldn > €™t mind shipping you my copy since I haven > €™t used it in years. While Richard Tesh > €™s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best one to use. If you think back to elementary school and those very basic grammar books that everyone uses in first and second grade > €”that > €™s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It > €™s the book most every blind musician I know uses first. I wouldn > €™t say no to getting both, though. Then you could take what you choose from both sources. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music. So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment with the braille music code. I could send you something that lists the code (e.g. 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, that > ’s just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high school band music reasonably well, you > ’d need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you need is the Primer of Braille Music. That > ’s the best book there is for learning braille music. You can get it from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. I can > ’t remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if it was, you should. They > ’re a great resource. If you contact their music division and ask for the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for starting to learn braille music. Then, if you > ’re serious, there are two summer programs into which you could look. There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program for fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really serious, to the point where you are seriously considering studying music in college, there is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National Resource Center for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The National Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the director really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 01:56:14 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 17:56:14 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f43d6d.4a81440a.0754.27bc@mx.google.com> Oy.=20=20For=20every=20single=20book=20I=20want?=20Good=20grief. I=20could=20use=20web=20braille.=20=20I=20have=20an=20Apex,=20hate=20it,=20= but=20I=20have=20it. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20 wrote: =20So=20every=20time=20I=20want=20a=20braille=20book,=20I=20have=20to=20cal= l=20NLS? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20Wow.=20=20They=20really=20should=20make=20it=20accessable=20to=20just=20= put=20in=20a=20 form=20to=20send=20the=20book.=20=20Make=20it=20a=20lot=20easer=20on=20peop= le. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20Ok,=20so=20now=20I've=20heard=20of=20three=20different=20books=20for=20s= tarting=20 braille=20music.=20=20So=20confusing. =20"An=20Introduction=20to=20Braille=20Music"=20by=20Richard=20Tesh. =20the=20one=20you=20listed =20and=20a=20third,=20which=20I=20cannot=20place=20the=20name=20of=20right= =20now,=20but=20I=20 know=20what=20it=20is=20called.=20=20It=20was=20on=20another=20topic,=20"re= ading=20=20 braille=20music"=20on=20this=20list. =20Yes,=20I=20have=20never=20used=20the=20library.=20=20Is=20there=20a=20wa= y=20to=20contact=20 them=20by=20email,=20and=20have=20the=20book=20sent=20to=20me=20by=20mail,= =20instead=20of=20 having=20to=20call=20them? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20Allright,=20so=20here's=20the=20deal. =20I=20got=20my=20music=20from=20my=20band=20director=20and=20gave=20it=20t= o=20the=20Special=20 Ed=20Director,=20who=20then=20gave=20a=20coppy=20to=20one=20of=20my=20TVIS,= =20who=20is=20 sending=20it=20to=20the=20braille=20institute=20to=20have=20it=20brailled=20= apparently. =20That=20is=20great,=20yes,=20but=20I=20cannot=20read=20it. =20Could=20someone=20please=20find=20an=20index=20of=20all=20music=20notes= =20and=20either=20 send=20me=20a=20link,=20or=20send=20me=20an=20attatchment?=20I=20can=20send= =20it=20to=20my=20 brailleest=20and=20she=20can=20braille=20it=20for=20me. =20Also,=20is=20there=20a=20way=20to=20get=20books=20from=20the=20nabs=20li= brary=20without=20 having=20to=20call=20them? =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei =20ra%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl =20ife7%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei =20ra%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl =20ife7%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei =20ra%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl =20ife7%40gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 01:59:08 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:59:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f43d6d.4a81440a.0754.27bc@mx.google.com> References: <52f43d6d.4a81440a.0754.27bc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You could try web braille. And you can call and order multiple books at a time. Ryan On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:56 PM, marissa wrote: > Oy. For every single book I want? Good grief. > I could use web braille. I have an Apex, hate it, but I have it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:15:42 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from their site. It€™s called Web braille. I don€™t know how to use it because I never have done, but basically, if you€™re registered, you search what you want and then download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already in Braille format and emboss it. I don€™t know how many books they have in that format. Mostly, I think, it€™s just individual pieces (Beethoven€™s Ninth Simphony, for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I don€™t know. Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don€™t be shy. They€™re wicked nice and very helpful. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa wrote: > > > So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I know. Sadly, they don > €™t. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a form to send the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I don > € > ™t think so. I think you will have to call them. I mean, if you really, really didn > € > ™t want to call them, I wouldn > € > ™t mind shipping you my copy since I haven > € > ™t used it in years. While Richard Tesh > € > ™s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best one to use. If you think back to elementary school and those very basic grammar books that everyone uses in first and second grade > € > ”that > € > ™s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It > € > ™s the book most every blind musician I know uses first. I wouldn > € > ™t say no to getting both, though. Then you could take what you choose from both sources. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music. So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment with the braille music code. I could send you something that lists the code (e.g. 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, that > ’s just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high school band music reasonably well, you > ’d need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you need is the Primer of Braille Music. That > ’s the best book there is for learning braille music. You can get it from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. I can > ’t remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if it was, you should. They > ’re a great resource. If you contact their music division and ask for the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for starting to learn braille music. Then, if you > ’re serious, there are two summer programs into which you could look. There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program for fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really serious, to the point where you are seriously considering studying music in college, there is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National Resource Center for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The National Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the director really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 02:03:13 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 18:03:13 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f43f10.c9c9440a.34af.38e2@mx.google.com> Are=20they=20free?=20I=20will=20try=20web=20braille=20as=20soon=20as I=20get=20a=20new=20Apex,=20with=20an=20actual=20display.=20=20This=20one=20= doesn't=20work=20 at=20all. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20 wrote: =20Oy.=20=20For=20every=20single=20book=20I=20want?=20Good=20grief. =20I=20could=20use=20web=20braille.=20=20I=20have=20an=20Apex,=20hate=20it,= =20but=20I=20have=20 it. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20So=20every=20time=20I=20want=20a=20braille=20book,=20I=20have=20to=20cal= l=20NLS? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20Wow.=20=20They=20really=20should=20make=20it=20accessable=20to=20just=20= put=20in=20a=20 form=20to=20send=20the=20book.=20=20Make=20it=20a=20lot=20easer=20on=20peop= le. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20Ok,=20so=20now=20I've=20heard=20of=20three=20different=20books=20for=20s= tarting=20 braille=20music..=20=20So=20confusing. =20"An=20Introduction=20to=20Braille=20Music"=20by=20Richard=20Tesh. =20the=20one=20you=20listed =20and=20a=20third,=20which=20I=20cannot=20place=20the=20name=20of=20right= =20now,=20but=20I=20 know=20what=20it=20is=20called.=20=20It=20was=20on=20another=20topic,=20"re= ading=20=20 braille=20music"=20on=20this=20list. =20Yes,=20I=20have=20never=20used=20the=20library.=20=20Is=20there=20a=20wa= y=20to=20contact=20 them=20by=20email,=20and=20have=20the=20book=20sent=20to=20me=20by=20mail,= =20instead=20of=20 having=20to=20call=20them? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20Allright,=20so=20here's=20the=20deal. =20I=20got=20my=20music=20from=20my=20band=20director=20and=20gave=20it=20t= o=20the=20Special=20 Ed=20Director,=20who=20then=20gave=20a=20coppy=20to=20one=20of=20my=20TVIS,= =20who=20is=20 sending=20it=20to=20the=20braille=20institute=20to=20have=20it=20brailled=20= apparently. =20That=20is=20great,=20yes,=20but=20I=20cannot=20read=20it. =20Could=20someone=20please=20find=20an=20index=20of=20all=20music=20notes= =20and=20either=20 send=20me=20a=20link,=20or=20send=20me=20an=20attatchment?=20I=20can=20send= =20it=20to=20my=20 brailleest=20and=20she=20can=20braille=20it=20for=20me. =20Also,=20is=20there=20a=20way=20to=20get=20books=20from=20the=20nabs=20li= brary=20without=20 having=20to=20call=20them? 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Since NLS is part of the Library of Congress, anything and everything you order from them is absolutely 100% free. Gotta love the government. Ryan On Feb 6, 2014, at 8:03 PM, marissa wrote: > > Are they free? I will try web braille as soon as > I get a new Apex, with an actual display. This one doesn't work at all. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:59:08 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > You could try web braille. And you can call and order multiple books at a time. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:56 PM, marissa wrote: > > Oy. For every single book I want? Good grief. > I could use web braille. I have an Apex, hate it, but I have it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:15:42 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from their site. It > €™s called Web braille. I don > €™t know how to use it because I never have done, but basically, if you > €™re registered, you search what you want and then download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already in Braille format and emboss it. I don > €™t know how many books they have in that format. Mostly, I think, it > €™s just individual pieces (Beethoven > €™s Ninth Simphony, for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I don > €™t know. Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don > €™t be shy. They > €™re wicked nice and very helpful. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa wrote: > > > So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I know. Sadly, they don > > € > ™t. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a form to send the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I don > > € > > ™t think so. I think you will have to call them. I mean, if you really, really didn > > € > > ™t want to call them, I wouldn > > € > > ™t mind shipping you my copy since I haven > > € > > ™t used it in years. While Richard Tesh > > € > > ™s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best one to use. If you think back to elementary school and those very basic grammar books that everyone uses in first and second grade > > € > > ”that > > € > > ™s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It > > € > > ™s the book most every blind musician I know uses first. I wouldn > > € > > ™t say no to getting both, though. Then you could take what you choose from both sources. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music.. So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment with the braille music code. I could send you something that lists the code (e.g. 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, that > > ’s just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high school band music reasonably well, you > > ’d need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you need is the Primer of Braille Music. That > > ’s the best book there is for learning braille music. You can get it from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. I can > > ’t remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if it was, you should. They > > ’re a great resource. If you contact their music division and ask for the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for starting to learn braille music. Then, if you > > ’re serious, there are two summer programs into which you could look.. There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program for fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really serious, to the point where you are seriously considering studying music in college, there is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National Resource Center for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The National Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the director really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Feb 7 02:17:06 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 20:17:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f43f10.c9c9440a.34af.38e2@mx.google.com> References: <52f43f10.c9c9440a.34af.38e2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Web Braille was merged into BARD about a year ago, https://nlsbard.loc.gov \ Dave At 08:03 PM 2/6/2014, you wrote: >Are they free? I will try web braille as soon as >I get a new Apex, with an actual display. This one doesn't work at all. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:59:08 -0600 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > >You could try web braille. And you can call and >order multiple books at a time. > >Ryan > > >On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:56 PM, marissa wrote: > >Oy. For every single book I want? Good grief. >I could use web braille. I have an Apex, hate it, but I have it. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:15:42 -0600 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > >Yes. The other option, for some books, is to >download them from their site. It >€™s called Web braille. I don >€™t know how to use it because I never have done, but basically, if you >€™re registered, you search what you want and >then download the file. You can then import it >into Duxbury, already in Braille format and emboss it. I don >€™t know how many books they have in that format. Mostly, I think, it >€™s just individual pieces (Beethoven >€™s Ninth Simphony, for instance), but they may >have some full books on there. I don >€™t know. Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don >€™t be shy. They >€™re wicked nice and very helpful. > >Ryan > >On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa wrote: > > >So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > >I know. Sadly, they don > >€ >™t. > >Ryan > >On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa wrote: > > >Wow. They really should make it accessable to >just put in a form to send the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > >I don > >€ > >™t think so. I think you will have to call >them. I mean, if you really, really didn > >€ > >™t want to call them, I wouldn > >€ > >™t mind shipping you my copy since I haven > >€ > >™t used it in years. While Richard Tesh > >€ > >™s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best one to use. >If you think back to elementary school and those >very basic grammar books that everyone uses in first and second grade > >€ > >”that > >€ > >™s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It > >€ > >™s the book most every blind musician I know uses first. I wouldn > >€ > >™t say no to getting both, though. Then you >could take what you choose from both sources. > >Ryan > > >On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa wrote: > > >Ok, so now I've heard of three different books >for starting braille music.. So confusing. >"An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. >the one you listed >and a third, which I cannot place the name of >right now, but I know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading >braille music" on this list. > >Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a >way to contact them by email, and have the book >sent to me by mail, instead of having to call them? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > >Hi Marissa, > >It would be a bit difficult to actually send you >an attachment with the braille music code. I >could send you something that lists the code >(e.g. 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, that > >’s just the very tip of the iceberg. In order >to read high school band music reasonably well, you > >’d need a whole lot more than just the very >basics. What you need is the Primer of Braille Music. That > >’s the best book there is for learning braille >music. You can get it from NLS (National >Library Service) at the Library of Congress. I can > >’t remember if it was you who said you never use >them, but if it was, you should. They > >’re a great resource. If you contact their >music division and ask for the Primer of Braille >Music, that would be your best source for >starting to learn braille music. Then, if you > >’re serious, there are two summer programs into >which you could look.. There is Braille Beats >in Michigan, which is a very good program for >fairly serious blind musicians. If you are >really, really serious, to the point where you >are seriously considering studying music in >college, there is the Summer Braille Music >Institute, run by the National Resource Center >for Blind Musicians which is held in July in >Philladelphia. The National Resource Center for >Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the >director really well and I can put you in touch >with him if you like. Feel free to e-mail me >off-list if you want to discuss further. > > >Ryan > > >On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa wrote: > > >Allright, so here's the deal. >I got my music from my band director and gave it >to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a >coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to >the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. >That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > >Could someone please find an index of all music >notes and either send me a link, or send me an >attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. > >Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs >library without having to call them? From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 7 02:42:53 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:42:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <018D1266-494A-4F51-8BE7-A58D600CAABD@gmail.com> References: <52f42de0.2624440a.5f26.1774@mx.google.com> <018D1266-494A-4F51-8BE7-A58D600CAABD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0F0D5C152CEE4E448B1F3D1971F57D2C@OwnerPC> ryan, nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go to the bard site to download all media. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from their site. It’s called Web braille. I don’t know how to use it because I never have done, but basically, if you’re registered, you search what you want and then download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already in Braille format and emboss it. I don’t know how many books they have in that format. Mostly, I think, it’s just individual pieces (Beethoven’s Ninth Simphony, for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I don’t know. Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don’t be shy. They’re wicked nice and very helpful. Ryan On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa wrote: > > So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I know. Sadly, they don€™t. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a form to send > the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I don > €™t think so. I think you will have to call them. I mean, if you > really, really didn > €™t want to call them, I wouldn > €™t mind shipping you my copy since I haven > €™t used it in years. While Richard Tesh > €™s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best one to use. If > you think back to elementary school and those very basic grammar books > that everyone uses in first and second grade > €”that > €™s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It > €™s the book most every blind musician I know uses first. I wouldn > €™t say no to getting both, though. Then you could take what you choose > from both sources. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music. > So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what > it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this > list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by > email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call > them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment with the > braille music code. I could send you something that lists the code (e.g. > 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, that > ’s just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high school band > music reasonably well, you > ’d need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you need is the > Primer of Braille Music. That > ’s the best book there is for learning braille music. You can get it > from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. I can > ’t remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if it was, you > should. They > ’re a great resource. If you contact their music division and ask for > the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for starting > to learn braille music. Then, if you > ’re serious, there are two summer programs into which you could look. > There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program for > fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really serious, to the > point where you are seriously considering studying music in college, there > is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National Resource Center > for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The National > Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the director > really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. Feel free to > e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed > Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to > the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a > link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she > can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to > call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 04:48:26 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 23:48:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <0F0D5C152CEE4E448B1F3D1971F57D2C@OwnerPC> References: <52f42de0.2624440a.5f26.1774@mx.google.com> <018D1266-494A-4F51-8BE7-A58D600CAABD@gmail.com> <0F0D5C152CEE4E448B1F3D1971F57D2C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi, While Web Braille did merge with bard, the concept of it is still the same. A lot of the music there is classical stuff, songs for voice, piano pieces, a few scores of string pieces and chamber group stuff, but not much in the way of clarinet stuff at all, or at least the last time I checked there wasn't. For high school band pieces you'll definitely need to use a transcriber. The only pieces I've been able to get through NLS have been pieces of standard clarinet repertoire like works from Webber, Mozart, etc. NLS is great for getting these things because you can often get them in the mail faster than a transcriber can go through them, and it's already embossed into nice hard copy braille for you. As per calling the library, I used to be terrified of calling anywhere to ask for help, but frankly it's a life skill that I'm glad I developed. You will need to call and be professional on the phone many times when you're an adult, so it's best to start forming good habits when you're young. The library is a good place to start with this because as Ryan said the librarians are very nice, helpful people who already know you're a visually impaired person, so there aren't any awkward explanations required while you're still getting your feet wet. It's much easier than calling and having to start by talking to a shady customer service rep who works for the metro like my O and M instructor made me do to develop this skill. :) Good luck, On 2/6/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > ryan, > nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go to the bard > site to download all media. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from their site. > It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I never have > done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you want and then > download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already in Braille > format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in that format. > Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth Simphony, > for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I don't know. > Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. They're wicked > nice and very helpful. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa wrote: > >> >> So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ryan Silveira > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> I know. Sadly, they don EURO (tm)t. >> >> Ryan >> >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa wrote: >> >> >> Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a form to send >> the book. Make it a lot easer on people. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ryan Silveira > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> I don >> EURO (tm)t think so. I think you will have to call them. I mean, if you >> really, really didn >> EURO (tm)t want to call them, I wouldn >> EURO (tm)t mind shipping you my copy since I haven >> EURO (tm)t used it in years. While Richard Tesh >> EURO (tm)s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best one to use. If >> you think back to elementary school and those very basic grammar books >> that everyone uses in first and second grade >> EURO "that >> EURO (tm)s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It >> EURO (tm)s the book most every blind musician I know uses first. I wouldn >> EURO (tm)t say no to getting both, though. Then you could take what you choose >> >> from both sources. >> >> Ryan >> >> >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa wrote: >> >> >> Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music. >> >> So confusing. >> "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. >> the one you listed >> and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what >> it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this >> list. >> >> Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by >> email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call >> them? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ryan Silveira > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> Hi Marissa, >> >> It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment with the >> braille music code. I could send you something that lists the code (e.g. >> 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, that >> 's just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high school band >> music reasonably well, you >> 'd need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you need is the >> >> Primer of Braille Music. That >> 's the best book there is for learning braille music. You can get it >> from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. I can >> 't remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if it was, you >> >> should. They >> 're a great resource. If you contact their music division and ask for >> the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for starting >> to learn braille music. Then, if you >> 're serious, there are two summer programs into which you could look. >> There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program for >> fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really serious, to the >> >> point where you are seriously considering studying music in college, there >> >> is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National Resource Center >> >> for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The National >> Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the director >> really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. Feel free to >> >> e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. >> >> >> Ryan >> >> >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa wrote: >> >> >> Allright, so here's the deal. >> I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed >> Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to >> the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. >> That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. >> >> Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a >> >> link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she >> can braille it for me. >> >> Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to >> call them? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 05:11:04 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 00:11:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie Message-ID: <9CD1E58A21464A08A56F4B9FCFEC2999@Helga> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, have you ever watched the movie Lorenzo’s Oil and Peroxisomes? It is actually a true life story! And if you did, do you know where can I find it as a descriptive movie? I’m just wondering, since I need to watch it for my Biology class, I need to write 10 lines about what I think of the movie, and how the movie impacted me for extra credit. I tried to find it in youtube, but I wasn’t able to do it. My Biology Professor told me that this is a good movie, and I would like to watch it! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: From zdreicer at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 06:23:33 2014 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 23:23:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Phx - Phoenix sky Harbor international Airport question Message-ID: <37CCDDFB-6184-42ED-9124-A83490199D81@gmail.com> Good evening to all, I will be flying to Phoenix sky Harbor international Airport with in the next 72 hours, and I was wondering how their terminal is laid out, where are the gates, where is baggage claim, where is there something to eat, where is security? Can you give any helpful hints on this airport in general? I will be using terminal four, and Southwest airlines. Thank you very much. Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 06:27:57 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 22:27:57 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f47d1c.6289420a.092d.ffff980e@mx.google.com> i do play piano as well as clarinet, (self taught), so I might look in to the clasical music. I have emailed the Special Ed Director a very long email, telling him how I need music ASAP because I have a band festival that my band teacher wants me to go to. I see no point if I have no music. I cannot play by ear because the students will not hush when the director is trying to explain something, and they will not hush when playing, (percussion really). I basically told him I need a transcriber, a music book to get started, and a braille music tutor. He never replied, but told me that they need to find the money to get these things. Ugh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: ryan, nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go to the bard site to download all media. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from their site. It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I never have done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you want and then download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already in Braille format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in that format. Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth Simphony, for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I don't know. Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. They're wicked nice and very helpful. Ryan On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa wrote: So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a form to send the book. Make it a lot easer on people. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music. So confusing. "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. the one you listed and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this list. Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call them? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Allright, so here's the deal. I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine t104%40gmail.com -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From louvins at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 11:56:15 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:56:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f47d1c.6289420a.092d.ffff980e@mx.google.com> References: <52f47d1c.6289420a.092d.ffff980e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Marissa. I don't know why you wouldn't want to be signed up with NLS as you can get so many books from them. What you can do, is contact your local talking book library and just ask for either talking books, or braille materials from them. But first, you need to be signed up with NLS first. I've been getting books from NLS since I was probably about four or five. On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: > > > i do play piano as well as clarinet, (self taught), so I might > look in to the clasical music. I have emailed the Special Ed > Director a very long email, telling him how I need music ASAP > because I have a band festival that my band teacher wants me to > go to. I see no point if I have no music. I cannot play by ear > because the students will not hush when the director is trying to > explain something, and they will not hush when playing, > (percussion really). > I basically told him I need a transcriber, a music book to get > started, and a braille music tutor. He never replied, but told > me that they need to find the money to get these things. Ugh. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 23:48:26 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi, > > While Web Braille did merge with bard, the concept of it is still > the > same. A lot of the music there is classical stuff, songs for > voice, > piano pieces, a few scores of string pieces and chamber group > stuff, > but not much in the way of clarinet stuff at all, or at least the > last > time I checked there wasn't. For high school band pieces you'll > definitely need to use a transcriber. The only pieces I've been > able > to get through NLS have been pieces of standard clarinet > repertoire > like works from Webber, Mozart, etc. NLS is great for getting > these > things because you can often get them in the mail faster than a > transcriber can go through them, and it's already embossed into > nice > hard copy braille for you. > > As per calling the library, I used to be terrified of calling > anywhere > to ask for help, but frankly it's a life skill that I'm glad I > developed. You will need to call and be professional on the > phone > many times when you're an adult, so it's best to start forming > good > habits when you're young. The library is a good place to start > with > this because as Ryan said the librarians are very nice, helpful > people > who already know you're a visually impaired person, so there > aren't > any awkward explanations required while you're still getting your > feet > wet. It's much easier than calling and having to start by > talking to > a shady customer service rep who works for the metro like my O > and M > instructor made me do to develop this skill. :) > > Good luck, > > On 2/6/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > ryan, > nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go > to the bard > site to download all media. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from > their site. > It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I > never have > done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you > want and then > download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already > in Braille > format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in > that format. > Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth > Simphony, > for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I > don't know. > Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. > They're wicked > nice and very helpful. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I know. Sadly, they don EURO (tm)t. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a > form to send > the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I don > EURO (tm)t think so. I think you will have to call them. I > mean, if you > really, really didn > EURO (tm)t want to call them, I wouldn > EURO (tm)t mind shipping you my copy since I haven > EURO (tm)t used it in years. While Richard Tesh > EURO (tm)s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best > one to use. If > you think back to elementary school and those very basic grammar > books > that everyone uses in first and second grade > EURO "that > EURO (tm)s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It > EURO (tm)s the book most every blind musician I know uses > first. I wouldn > EURO (tm)t say no to getting both, though. Then you could take > what you choose > > from both sources. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting > braille music. > > So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I > know what > it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" > on this > list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact > them by > email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having > to call > them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment > with the > braille music code. I could send you something that lists the > code (e.g. > 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, > that > 's just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high > school band > music reasonably well, you > 'd need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you > need is the > > Primer of Braille Music. That > 's the best book there is for learning braille music. You can > get it > from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. > I can > 't remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if > it was, you > > should. They > 're a great resource. If you contact their music division and > ask for > the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for > starting > to learn braille music. Then, if you > 're serious, there are two summer programs into which you could > look. > There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program > for > fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really > serious, to the > > point where you are seriously considering studying music in > college, there > > is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National > Resource Center > > for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The > National > Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the > director > really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. > Feel free to > > e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special > Ed > Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is > sending it to > the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either > send me a > > link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest > and she > can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without > having to > call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From louvins at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 11:59:25 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:59:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie In-Reply-To: <9CD1E58A21464A08A56F4B9FCFEC2999@Helga> References: <9CD1E58A21464A08A56F4B9FCFEC2999@Helga> Message-ID: Hi Helga the movie Lorenzo's Oil isn't available as descriptive as far as I know. You're lucky you only have to write 10 lines, when I was a freshman in high school, I had to do an entire paper based on the movie. It is a very good but somewhat sad story. The ending of the film is positive though. I think you'll enjoy it. On 2/6/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, have you > ever watched the movie Lorenzo’s Oil and Peroxisomes? It is actually a true > life story! And if you did, do you know where can I find it as a descriptive > movie? I’m just wondering, since I need to watch it for my Biology class, I > need to write 10 lines about what I think of the movie, and how the movie > impacted me for extra credit. I tried to find it in youtube, but I wasn’t > able to do it. My Biology Professor told me that this is a good movie, and I > would like to watch it! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me > with this and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you > soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! From carlymih at comcast.net Fri Feb 7 12:02:41 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 04:02:41 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: References: <52f47d1c.6289420a.092d.ffff980e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140207040039.01e12d20@comcast.net> Good morning, Marissa, I, too have been getting NLS books since I was a small child. And I, too suggest you at least get yourself registered because it's about keeping your options open, don't you think? for today, Car 408-209-3239 03:56 AM 2/7/2014, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >Hi Marissa. I don't know why you wouldn't want to be signed up with >NLS as you can get so many books from them. What you can do, is >contact your local talking book library and just ask for either >talking books, or braille materials from them. But first, you need to >be signed up with NLS first. I've been getting books from NLS since I >was probably about four or five. > >On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: > > > > > > i do play piano as well as clarinet, (self taught), so I might > > look in to the clasical music. I have emailed the Special Ed > > Director a very long email, telling him how I need music ASAP > > because I have a band festival that my band teacher wants me to > > go to. I see no point if I have no music. I cannot play by ear > > because the students will not hush when the director is trying to > > explain something, and they will not hush when playing, > > (percussion really). > > I basically told him I need a transcriber, a music book to get > > started, and a braille music tutor. He never replied, but told > > me that they need to find the money to get these things. Ugh. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kaiti Shelton > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 23:48:26 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > > Hi, > > > > While Web Braille did merge with bard, the concept of it is still > > the > > same. A lot of the music there is classical stuff, songs for > > voice, > > piano pieces, a few scores of string pieces and chamber group > > stuff, > > but not much in the way of clarinet stuff at all, or at least the > > last > > time I checked there wasn't. For high school band pieces you'll > > definitely need to use a transcriber. The only pieces I've been > > able > > to get through NLS have been pieces of standard clarinet > > repertoire > > like works from Webber, Mozart, etc. NLS is great for getting > > these > > things because you can often get them in the mail faster than a > > transcriber can go through them, and it's already embossed into > > nice > > hard copy braille for you. > > > > As per calling the library, I used to be terrified of calling > > anywhere > > to ask for help, but frankly it's a life skill that I'm glad I > > developed. You will need to call and be professional on the > > phone > > many times when you're an adult, so it's best to start forming > > good > > habits when you're young. The library is a good place to start > > with > > this because as Ryan said the librarians are very nice, helpful > > people > > who already know you're a visually impaired person, so there > > aren't > > any awkward explanations required while you're still getting your > > feet > > wet. It's much easier than calling and having to start by > > talking to > > a shady customer service rep who works for the metro like my O > > and M > > instructor made me do to develop this skill. :) > > > > Good luck, > > > > On 2/6/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > ryan, > > nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go > > to the bard > > site to download all media. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ryan Silveira > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > > > > Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from > > their site. > > It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I > > never have > > done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you > > want and then > > download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already > > in Braille > > format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in > > that format. > > Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth > > Simphony, > > for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I > > don't know. > > Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. > > They're wicked > > nice and very helpful. > > > > Ryan > > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa > > wrote: > > > > > > So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ryan Silveira > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > > I know. Sadly, they don EURO (tm)t. > > > > Ryan > > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa > > wrote: > > > > > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a > > form to send > > the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ryan Silveira > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > > I don > > EURO (tm)t think so. I think you will have to call them. I > > mean, if you > > really, really didn > > EURO (tm)t want to call them, I wouldn > > EURO (tm)t mind shipping you my copy since I haven > > EURO (tm)t used it in years. While Richard Tesh > > EURO (tm)s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best > > one to use. If > > you think back to elementary school and those very basic grammar > > books > > that everyone uses in first and second grade > > EURO "that > > EURO (tm)s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It > > EURO (tm)s the book most every blind musician I know uses > > first. I wouldn > > EURO (tm)t say no to getting both, though. Then you could take > > what you choose > > > > from both sources. > > > > Ryan > > > > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa > > wrote: > > > > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting > > braille music. > > > > So confusing. > > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > > the one you listed > > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I > > know what > > it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" > > on this > > list. > > > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact > > them by > > email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having > > to call > > them? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ryan Silveira > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > > Hi Marissa, > > > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment > > with the > > braille music code. I could send you something that lists the > > code (e.g. > > 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, > > that > > 's just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high > > school band > > music reasonably well, you > > 'd need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you > > need is the > > > > Primer of Braille Music. That > > 's the best book there is for learning braille music. You can > > get it > > from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. > > I can > > 't remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if > > it was, you > > > > should. They > > 're a great resource. If you contact their music division and > > ask for > > the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for > > starting > > to learn braille music. Then, if you > > 're serious, there are two summer programs into which you could > > look. > > There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program > > for > > fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really > > serious, to the > > > > point where you are seriously considering studying music in > > college, there > > > > is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National > > Resource Center > > > > for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The > > National > > Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the > > director > > really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. > > Feel free to > > > > e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa > > wrote: > > > > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special > > Ed > > Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is > > sending it to > > the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either > > send me a > > > > link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest > > and she > > can braille it for me. > > > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without > > having to > > call them? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > > ra%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > > ife7%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > > ra%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > > ife7%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > > ra%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > > ife7%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > > ra%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > > 0earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > > t104%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > -- > > Kaiti > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > > ife7%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 12:20:00 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:20:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie In-Reply-To: References: <9CD1E58A21464A08A56F4B9FCFEC2999@Helga> Message-ID: <6A00791E-48DE-40F7-B124-93DF1867B924@gmail.com> Hi Joshua, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, do you know where can I find the movie Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes even though it doesn't have any descriptive audio? I'm just wondering, since probably my mom can watch it with me, and she could describe it to me! I actually would like to watch it this weekend! And also, do you know how long is the movie? just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > > Hi Helga the movie Lorenzo's Oil isn't available as descriptive as far > as I know. You're lucky you only have to write 10 lines, when I was a > freshman in high school, I had to do an entire paper based on the > movie. It is a very good but somewhat sad story. The ending of the > film is positive though. I think you'll enjoy it. > >> On 2/6/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, have you >> ever watched the movie Lorenzo’s Oil and Peroxisomes? It is actually a true >> life story! And if you did, do you know where can I find it as a descriptive >> movie? I’m just wondering, since I need to watch it for my Biology class, I >> need to write 10 lines about what I think of the movie, and how the movie >> impacted me for extra credit. I tried to find it in youtube, but I wasn’t >> able to do it. My Biology Professor told me that this is a good movie, and I >> would like to watch it! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me >> with this and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you >> soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 12:38:13 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 06:38:13 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie Message-ID: <52f4d3da.cd833c0a.3e7c.2d9a@mx.google.com> Helga,=20anothe!=20option=20is=20to=20look=20up=20the=20movie=20online.=20= =20I=20know=20 this=20is=20cheating=20a=20little=20bit,=20but=20for=20many=20books=20and=20= movies,=20 sparknotes=20or=20cliffnotes=20can=20provide=20a=20very=20detailed,=20accur= ate=20 summary.=20=20You=20could=20read=20the=20story=20as=20if=20it=20were=20a=20= book=20and=20then=20 write=20your=2010=20lines.=20=20I=20do=20that=20a=20lot=20for=20school=20mo= vies=20because=20 even=20when=20we=20watch=20it=20as=20a=20class,=20I=20often=20miss=20stuff.= =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Helga=20Schreiber=20,National=20Association=20 of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20Helga=20the=20movie=20Lorenzo's=20Oil=20isn't=20available=20as=20de= scriptive=20 as=20far =20as=20I=20know.=20=20You're=20lucky=20you=20only=20have=20to=20write=2010= =20lines,=20when=20I=20 was=20a =20freshman=20in=20high=20school,=20I=20had=20to=20do=20an=20entire=20paper= =20based=20on=20 the =20movie.=20=20It=20is=20a=20very=20good=20but=20somewhat=20sad=20story.=20= =20The=20ending=20of=20 the =20film=20is=20positive=20though.=20=20I=20think=20you'll=20enjoy=20it. =20On=202/6/14,=20helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com=20 =20wrote: =20Hi=20guys,=20this=20is=20Helga!=20How=20are=20you=20all?=20I=20just=20wa= nted=20to=20ask=20 you,=20have=20you =20ever=20watched=20the=20movie=20Lorenzo=E2=80=99s=20Oil=20and=20Peroxisom= es?=20It=20is=20 actually=20a=20true =20life=20story!=20And=20if=20you=20did,=20do=20you=20know=20where=20can=20= I=20find=20it=20as=20a=20 descriptive =20movie?=20I=E2=80=99m=20just=20wondering,=20since=20I=20need=20to=20watch= =20it=20for=20my=20 Biology=20class,=20I =20need=20to=20write=2010=20lines=20about=20what=20I=20think=20of=20the=20m= ovie,=20and=20how=20 the=20movie =20impacted=20me=20for=20extra=20credit.=20=20I=20tried=20to=20find=20it=20= in=20youtube,=20 but=20I=20wasn=E2=80=99t =20able=20to=20do=20it.=20=20My=20Biology=20Professor=20told=20me=20that=20= this=20is=20a=20good=20 movie,=20and=20I =20would=20like=20to=20watch=20it!=20I=20will=20really=20appreciate=20it,=20= if=20you=20 could=20help=20me =20with=20this=20and=20give=20me=20some=20suggestions=20regarding=20this.=20= =20Hope=20to=20 hear=20from=20you =20soon.=20=20Thanks=20so=20much=20and=20God=20bless!! =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreib er26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 12:38:16 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 04:38:16 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f4d3e8.e7ed440a.24dc.1aff@mx.google.com> I do not know if I'm signed up. I think I am, since I received a digital talking book player. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Hendrickson wrote: i do play piano as well as clarinet, (self taught), so I might look in to the clasical music. I have emailed the Special Ed Director a very long email, telling him how I need music ASAP because I have a band festival that my band teacher wants me to go to. I see no point if I have no music. I cannot play by ear because the students will not hush when the director is trying to explain something, and they will not hush when playing, (percussion really). I basically told him I need a transcriber, a music book to get started, and a braille music tutor. He never replied, but told me that they need to find the money to get these things. Ugh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: ryan, nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go to the bard site to download all media. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from their site. It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I never have done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you want and then download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already in Braille format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in that format. Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth Simphony, for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I don't know. Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. They're wicked nice and very helpful. Ryan On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa wrote: So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a form to send the book. Make it a lot easer on people. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music. So confusing. "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. the one you listed and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this list. Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call them? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Allright, so here's the deal. I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine t104%40gmail.com -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From louvins at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 12:45:18 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 06:45:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie In-Reply-To: <52f4d3da.cd833c0a.3e7c.2d9a@mx.google.com> References: <52f4d3da.cd833c0a.3e7c.2d9a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Helga. Please send me an email at louvins at gmail.com, and I'll be able to get you Lorenzo's Oil. I'll have to convert it to mp3 first, but that shouldn't be a problem. Glad to help. On 2/7/14, Sophie Trist wrote: > Helga, anothe! option is to look up the movie online. I know > this is cheating a little bit, but for many books and movies, > sparknotes or cliffnotes can provide a very detailed, accurate > summary. You could read the story as if it were a book and then > write your 10 lines. I do that a lot for school movies because > even when we watch it as a class, I often miss stuff. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Helga Schreiber To: "louvins at gmail.com" ,National Association > of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:20:00 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie > > Hi Joshua, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, do you know > where can I find the movie Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes even > though it doesn't have any descriptive audio? I'm just wondering, > since probably my mom can watch it with me, and she could > describe it to me! I actually would like to watch it this > weekend! And also, do you know how long is the movie? just > curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help > me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear > from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Joshua Hendrickson > wrote: > > Hi Helga the movie Lorenzo's Oil isn't available as descriptive > as far > as I know. You're lucky you only have to write 10 lines, when I > was a > freshman in high school, I had to do an entire paper based on > the > movie. It is a very good but somewhat sad story. The ending of > the > film is positive though. I think you'll enjoy it. > > On 2/6/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > wrote: > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask > you, have you > ever watched the movie Lorenzo’s Oil and Peroxisomes? It is > actually a true > life story! And if you did, do you know where can I find it as a > descriptive > movie? I’m just wondering, since I need to watch it for my > Biology class, I > need to write 10 lines about what I think of the movie, and how > the movie > impacted me for extra credit. I tried to find it in youtube, > but I wasn’t > able to do it. My Biology Professor told me that this is a good > movie, and I > would like to watch it! I will really appreciate it, if you > could help me > with this and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to > hear from you > soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreib > er26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > > From louvins at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 12:47:29 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 06:47:29 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f4d3e8.e7ed440a.24dc.1aff@mx.google.com> References: <52f4d3e8.e7ed440a.24dc.1aff@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Marissa. you are signed up because you did get an NLS player, but if you don't remain active in the program for a certain amount of time, you will be dropped from the program and have to reapply. A friend of mine had to get himself back with NLS. On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: > > I do not know if I'm signed up. I think I am, since I received a > digital talking book player. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Hendrickson To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:56:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa. I don't know why you wouldn't want to be signed up > with > NLS as you can get so many books from them. What you can do, is > contact your local talking book library and just ask for either > talking books, or braille materials from them. But first, you > need to > be signed up with NLS first. I've been getting books from NLS > since I > was probably about four or five. > > On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: > > > i do play piano as well as clarinet, (self taught), so I might > look in to the clasical music. I have emailed the Special Ed > Director a very long email, telling him how I need music ASAP > because I have a band festival that my band teacher wants me to > go to. I see no point if I have no music. I cannot play by ear > because the students will not hush when the director is trying > to > explain something, and they will not hush when playing, > (percussion really). > I basically told him I need a transcriber, a music book to get > started, and a braille music tutor. He never replied, but told > me that they need to find the money to get these things. Ugh. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 23:48:26 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi, > > While Web Braille did merge with bard, the concept of it is > still > the > same. A lot of the music there is classical stuff, songs for > voice, > piano pieces, a few scores of string pieces and chamber group > stuff, > but not much in the way of clarinet stuff at all, or at least > the > last > time I checked there wasn't. For high school band pieces you'll > definitely need to use a transcriber. The only pieces I've been > able > to get through NLS have been pieces of standard clarinet > repertoire > like works from Webber, Mozart, etc. NLS is great for getting > these > things because you can often get them in the mail faster than a > transcriber can go through them, and it's already embossed into > nice > hard copy braille for you. > > As per calling the library, I used to be terrified of calling > anywhere > to ask for help, but frankly it's a life skill that I'm glad I > developed. You will need to call and be professional on the > phone > many times when you're an adult, so it's best to start forming > good > habits when you're young. The library is a good place to start > with > this because as Ryan said the librarians are very nice, helpful > people > who already know you're a visually impaired person, so there > aren't > any awkward explanations required while you're still getting > your > feet > wet. It's much easier than calling and having to start by > talking to > a shady customer service rep who works for the metro like my O > and M > instructor made me do to develop this skill. :) > > Good luck, > > On 2/6/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > ryan, > nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go > to the bard > site to download all media. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them > from > their site. > It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I > never have > done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you > want and then > download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, > already > in Braille > format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in > that format. > Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth > Simphony, > for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I > don't know. > Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. > They're wicked > nice and very helpful. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I know. Sadly, they don EURO (tm)t. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a > form to send > the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I don > EURO (tm)t think so. I think you will have to call them. I > mean, if you > really, really didn > EURO (tm)t want to call them, I wouldn > EURO (tm)t mind shipping you my copy since I haven > EURO (tm)t used it in years. While Richard Tesh > EURO (tm)s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best > one to use. If > you think back to elementary school and those very basic > grammar > books > that everyone uses in first and second grade > EURO "that > EURO (tm)s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. > It > EURO (tm)s the book most every blind musician I know uses > first. I wouldn > EURO (tm)t say no to getting both, though. Then you could > take > what you choose > > from both sources. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting > braille music. > > So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I > know what > it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille > music" > on this > list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact > them by > email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having > to call > them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment > with the > braille music code. I could send you something that lists the > code (e.g. > 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, > that > 's just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high > school band > music reasonably well, you > 'd need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you > need is the > > Primer of Braille Music. That > 's the best book there is for learning braille music. You can > get it > from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. > I can > 't remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if > it was, you > > should. They > 're a great resource. If you contact their music division and > ask for > the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for > starting > to learn braille music. Then, if you > 're serious, there are two summer programs into which you > could > look. > There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good > program > for > fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really > serious, to the > > point where you are seriously considering studying music in > college, there > > is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National > Resource Center > > for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. > The > National > Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the > director > really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. > Feel free to > > e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special > Ed > Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is > sending it to > the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and > either > send me a > > link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest > and she > can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without > having to > call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 12:52:07 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 06:52:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f4d3e8.e7ed440a.24dc.1aff@mx.google.com> References: <52f4d3e8.e7ed440a.24dc.1aff@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Wow. I did not know web braille merged with Bard. Just shows you how infrequently I use the service. I used NLS a lot in high school, but since college, I almost never use them. I rarely ever read music, prefering to learn everything by ear since I have perfect pitch and can learn a piece in, at most, 30 minutes, and as far as regular audio books go, I prefer to buy them because the readers are usually better. I'm very picky about my readers. Ryan On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: > > I do not know if I'm signed up. I think I am, since I received a > digital talking book player. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Hendrickson To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:56:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa. I don't know why you wouldn't want to be signed up > with > NLS as you can get so many books from them. What you can do, is > contact your local talking book library and just ask for either > talking books, or braille materials from them. But first, you > need to > be signed up with NLS first. I've been getting books from NLS > since I > was probably about four or five. > > On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: > > > i do play piano as well as clarinet, (self taught), so I might > look in to the clasical music. I have emailed the Special Ed > Director a very long email, telling him how I need music ASAP > because I have a band festival that my band teacher wants me to > go to. I see no point if I have no music. I cannot play by ear > because the students will not hush when the director is trying > to > explain something, and they will not hush when playing, > (percussion really). > I basically told him I need a transcriber, a music book to get > started, and a braille music tutor. He never replied, but told > me that they need to find the money to get these things. Ugh. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 23:48:26 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi, > > While Web Braille did merge with bard, the concept of it is > still > the > same. A lot of the music there is classical stuff, songs for > voice, > piano pieces, a few scores of string pieces and chamber group > stuff, > but not much in the way of clarinet stuff at all, or at least > the > last > time I checked there wasn't. For high school band pieces you'll > definitely need to use a transcriber. The only pieces I've been > able > to get through NLS have been pieces of standard clarinet > repertoire > like works from Webber, Mozart, etc. NLS is great for getting > these > things because you can often get them in the mail faster than a > transcriber can go through them, and it's already embossed into > nice > hard copy braille for you. > > As per calling the library, I used to be terrified of calling > anywhere > to ask for help, but frankly it's a life skill that I'm glad I > developed. You will need to call and be professional on the > phone > many times when you're an adult, so it's best to start forming > good > habits when you're young. The library is a good place to start > with > this because as Ryan said the librarians are very nice, helpful > people > who already know you're a visually impaired person, so there > aren't > any awkward explanations required while you're still getting > your > feet > wet. It's much easier than calling and having to start by > talking to > a shady customer service rep who works for the metro like my O > and M > instructor made me do to develop this skill. :) > > Good luck, > > On 2/6/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > ryan, > nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go > to the bard > site to download all media. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them > from > their site. > It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I > never have > done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you > want and then > download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, > already > in Braille > format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in > that format. > Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth > Simphony, > for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I > don't know. > Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. > They're wicked > nice and very helpful. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I know. Sadly, they don EURO (tm)t. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a > form to send > the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I don > EURO (tm)t think so. I think you will have to call them. I > mean, if you > really, really didn > EURO (tm)t want to call them, I wouldn > EURO (tm)t mind shipping you my copy since I haven > EURO (tm)t used it in years. While Richard Tesh > EURO (tm)s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best > one to use. If > you think back to elementary school and those very basic > grammar > books > that everyone uses in first and second grade > EURO "that > EURO (tm)s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. > It > EURO (tm)s the book most every blind musician I know uses > first. I wouldn > EURO (tm)t say no to getting both, though. Then you could > take > what you choose > > from both sources. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting > braille music. > > So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I > know what > it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille > music" > on this > list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact > them by > email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having > to call > them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment > with the > braille music code. I could send you something that lists the > code (e.g. > 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, > that > 's just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high > school band > music reasonably well, you > 'd need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you > need is the > > Primer of Braille Music. That > 's the best book there is for learning braille music. You can > get it > from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. > I can > 't remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if > it was, you > > should. They > 're a great resource. If you contact their music division and > ask for > the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for > starting > to learn braille music. Then, if you > 're serious, there are two summer programs into which you > could > look. > There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good > program > for > fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really > serious, to the > > point where you are seriously considering studying music in > college, there > > is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National > Resource Center > > for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. > The > National > Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the > director > really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. > Feel free to > > e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special > Ed > Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is > sending it to > the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and > either > send me a > > link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest > and she > can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without > having to > call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 13:30:32 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 05:30:32 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f4e027.c619440a.1f95.fffffe0b@mx.google.com> I think I did reapply with my new email a few months ago. I should be good. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Hendrickson wrote: I do not know if I'm signed up. I think I am, since I received a digital talking book player. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Hendrickson wrote: i do play piano as well as clarinet, (self taught), so I might look in to the clasical music. I have emailed the Special Ed Director a very long email, telling him how I need music ASAP because I have a band festival that my band teacher wants me to go to. I see no point if I have no music. I cannot play by ear because the students will not hush when the director is trying to explain something, and they will not hush when playing, (percussion really). I basically told him I need a transcriber, a music book to get started, and a braille music tutor. He never replied, but told me that they need to find the money to get these things. Ugh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: ryan, nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go to the bard site to download all media. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from their site. It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I never have done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you want and then download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already in Braille format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in that format. Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth Simphony, for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I don't know. Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. They're wicked nice and very helpful. Ryan On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa wrote: So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a form to send the book. Make it a lot easer on people. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music. So confusing. "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. the one you listed and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this list. Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call them? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Allright, so here's the deal. I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine t104%40gmail.com -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 13:30:28 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 05:30:28 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f4e024.c619440a.1f95.fffffe03@mx.google.com> So am I. If they don't do a voice I don't like, I hate them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: I do not know if I'm signed up. I think I am, since I received a digital talking book player. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Hendrickson wrote: i do play piano as well as clarinet, (self taught), so I might look in to the clasical music. I have emailed the Special Ed Director a very long email, telling him how I need music ASAP because I have a band festival that my band teacher wants me to go to. I see no point if I have no music. I cannot play by ear because the students will not hush when the director is trying to explain something, and they will not hush when playing, (percussion really). I basically told him I need a transcriber, a music book to get started, and a braille music tutor. He never replied, but told me that they need to find the money to get these things. Ugh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: ryan, nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go to the bard site to download all media. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from their site. It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I never have done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you want and then download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already in Braille format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in that format. Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth Simphony, for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I don't know. Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. They're wicked nice and very helpful. Ryan On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa wrote: So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a form to send the book. Make it a lot easer on people. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music. So confusing. "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. the one you listed and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this list. Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call them? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Allright, so here's the deal. I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine t104%40gmail.com -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From leonardr.stamper at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 13:40:54 2014 From: leonardr.stamper at gmail.com (Leonard Stamper) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:40:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a question. Message-ID: <7B7D1873-27A7-45B6-BAB0-0E11F7A6EA2A@gmail.com> Hello everybody I need your help. Does anyone know where I could find a braille anatomy book thank you? Your help is very much appreciated thank you. From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 14:03:56 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 09:03:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a question. In-Reply-To: <7B7D1873-27A7-45B6-BAB0-0E11F7A6EA2A@gmail.com> References: <7B7D1873-27A7-45B6-BAB0-0E11F7A6EA2A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <27339DA5-A7A9-4F30-B5A5-9CFBF1C5E3D5@gmail.com> Hi Leonard, this is Helga! How are you? You want to find a Braille Anatomy book right? Contact the American Printing House for the Blind. Their number is 800-223-1839. And maybe they can find a book for you or tell you where you can get one. When you call the phone number, it will take you to the costumer service, so the only thing you have to do is ask them, where can I contact anyone in ordr to help me find this book. And they will transfer you to the Library persons. I actually forgot the extention, and the site. Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions ok? Thanks and God bless!! :) P.S. I just wanted to ask you, where do you live? Do you live in Florida? Just curious! Thanks again! ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 7, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Leonard Stamper wrote: > > Hello everybody I need your help. Does anyone know where I could find a braille anatomy book thank you? Your help is very much appreciated thank you. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 14:46:18 2014 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:46:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Phx - Phoenix sky Harbor international Airport question In-Reply-To: <37CCDDFB-6184-42ED-9124-A83490199D81@gmail.com> References: <37CCDDFB-6184-42ED-9124-A83490199D81@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A265D3B-BC4C-483E-BFCB-9906801EF0FB@gmail.com> In the kayak app there are airport guides for ready much every airport in the US worth mentioning that list restaurants, gift shops, and their terminal locations. When I'm flying to a new place I also like to check out the entry for that city on wikitravel.org. There's usually a little section of the page which gives a general airport layout… and besides, there's always helpful information on there about how the address system is laid out, which areas of town are particularly risky for solo pedestrian travel, good places to eat, etc.… I really really love that website. :-) Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2014, at 11:23 PM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" wrote: > > Good evening to all, > > I will be flying to Phoenix sky Harbor international Airport with in the next 72 hours, and I was wondering how their terminal is laid out, where are the gates, where is baggage claim, where is there something to eat, where is security? Can you give any helpful hints on this airport in general? I will be using terminal four, and Southwest airlines. Thank you very much. > > Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 15:12:19 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 10:12:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Phx - Phoenix sky Harbor international Airport question Message-ID: <52f4f7da.0388e00a.0c4b.064c@mx.google.com> Why are you flying to this airport? From zdreicer at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 15:35:03 2014 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:35:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Phx - Phoenix sky Harbor international Airport question In-Reply-To: <8A265D3B-BC4C-483E-BFCB-9906801EF0FB@gmail.com> References: <37CCDDFB-6184-42ED-9124-A83490199D81@gmail.com> <8A265D3B-BC4C-483E-BFCB-9906801EF0FB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A810BD9-72B6-4AE4-AB08-62263B7236F9@gmail.com> Thanks for the link, I will definitely try it out! Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver > On Feb 7, 2014, at 7:46, Kirt wrote: > > In the kayak app there are airport guides for ready much every airport in the US worth mentioning that list restaurants, gift shops, and their terminal locations. When I'm flying to a new place I also like to check out the entry for that city on wikitravel.org. There's usually a little section of the page which gives a general airport layout… and besides, there's always helpful information on there about how the address system is laid out, which areas of town are particularly risky for solo pedestrian travel, good places to eat, etc.… I really really love that website. :-) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 11:23 PM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" wrote: >> >> Good evening to all, >> >> I will be flying to Phoenix sky Harbor international Airport with in the next 72 hours, and I was wondering how their terminal is laid out, where are the gates, where is baggage claim, where is there something to eat, where is security? Can you give any helpful hints on this airport in general? I will be using terminal four, and Southwest airlines. Thank you very much. >> >> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 15:36:45 2014 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:36:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f43d6d.4a81440a.0754.27bc@mx.google.com> References: <52f43d6d.4a81440a.0754.27bc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <87FD9BA8-E86C-4252-9166-2A410B581D4E@gmail.com> I just grabbed all of the stuff from Web Braille about Braille music. So if you have a way to read eb Braille, try using that. You may not like the Apex, but it should let you read Braille files OK. Jane On Feb 6, 2014, at 8:56 PM, marissa wrote: > Oy. For every single book I want? Good grief. > I could use web braille. I have an Apex, hate it, but I have it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:15:42 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from their site. It€™s called Web braille. I don€™t know how to use it because I never have done, but basically, if you€™re registered, you search what you want and then download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already in Braille format and emboss it. I don€™t know how many books they have in that format. Mostly, I think, it€™s just individual pieces (Beethoven€™s Ninth Simphony, for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I don€™t know. Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don€™t be shy. They€™re wicked nice and very helpful. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa wrote: > > > So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I know. Sadly, they don > €™t. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a form to send the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I don > € > ™t think so. I think you will have to call them. I mean, if you really, really didn > € > ™t want to call them, I wouldn > € > ™t mind shipping you my copy since I haven > € > ™t used it in years. While Richard Tesh > € > ™s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best one to use. If you think back to elementary school and those very basic grammar books that everyone uses in first and second grade > € > ”that > € > ™s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It > € > ™s the book most every blind musician I know uses first. I wouldn > € > ™t say no to getting both, though. Then you could take what you choose from both sources. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music. So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment with the braille music code. I could send you something that lists the code (e.g. 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, that > ’s just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high school band music reasonably well, you > ’d need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you need is the Primer of Braille Music. That > ’s the best book there is for learning braille music. You can get it from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. I can > ’t remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if it was, you should. They > ’re a great resource. If you contact their music division and ask for the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for starting to learn braille music. Then, if you > ’re serious, there are two summer programs into which you could look. There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program for fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really serious, to the point where you are seriously considering studying music in college, there is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National Resource Center for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The National Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the director really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 15:38:14 2014 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:38:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f43f10.c9c9440a.34af.38e2@mx.google.com> References: <52f43f10.c9c9440a.34af.38e2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9FF8DB6D-D3D1-4400-A590-7C4B90C08D25@gmail.com> NLS materials are free. You'll need to get an account created with BARD. Instructions are pretty straightforward. Jane On Feb 6, 2014, at 9:03 PM, marissa wrote: > > Are they free? I will try web braille as soon as > I get a new Apex, with an actual display. This one doesn't work at all. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:59:08 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > You could try web braille. And you can call and order multiple books at a time. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 7:56 PM, marissa wrote: > > Oy. For every single book I want? Good grief. > I could use web braille. I have an Apex, hate it, but I have it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:15:42 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from their site. It > €™s called Web braille. I don > €™t know how to use it because I never have done, but basically, if you > €™re registered, you search what you want and then download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already in Braille format and emboss it. I don > €™t know how many books they have in that format. Mostly, I think, it > €™s just individual pieces (Beethoven > €™s Ninth Simphony, for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I don > €™t know. Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don > €™t be shy. They > €™re wicked nice and very helpful. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa wrote: > > > So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I know. Sadly, they don > > € > ™t. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a form to send the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I don > > € > > ™t think so. I think you will have to call them. I mean, if you really, really didn > > € > > ™t want to call them, I wouldn > > € > > ™t mind shipping you my copy since I haven > > € > > ™t used it in years. While Richard Tesh > > € > > ™s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best one to use. If you think back to elementary school and those very basic grammar books that everyone uses in first and second grade > > € > > ”that > > € > > ™s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It > > € > > ™s the book most every blind musician I know uses first. I wouldn > > € > > ™t say no to getting both, though. Then you could take what you choose from both sources. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music.. So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment with the braille music code. I could send you something that lists the code (e.g. 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, that > > ’s just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high school band music reasonably well, you > > ’d need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you need is the Primer of Braille Music. That > > ’s the best book there is for learning braille music. You can get it from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. I can > > ’t remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if it was, you should. They > > ’re a great resource. If you contact their music division and ask for the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for starting to learn braille music. Then, if you > > ’re serious, there are two summer programs into which you could look.. There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program for fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really serious, to the point where you are seriously considering studying music in college, there is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National Resource Center for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The National Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the director really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 16:25:26 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 11:25:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie In-Reply-To: References: <52f4d3da.cd833c0a.3e7c.2d9a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Or, if you want to be legal about it, you could always check it out from a video store or library. Netflix or some other video on demand service should have it too. Also, it is noteworthy to mention that the end of the movie isn't exactly accurate. The hollywood gurus make it sound like it was all hunky dory, but Lorenzo did actually continue to deteriorate, and eventually die of his disease. The oil prolonged his life, but by the end for the last few years he was hospitalized and a vegitable. That is what my high school biology teacher told us after we watched the movie, so looking up what really happened to him and comparing it to the depiction in the movie might be good too. On 2/7/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > Hi Helga. Please send me an email at louvins at gmail.com, and I'll be > able to get you Lorenzo's Oil. I'll have to convert it to mp3 first, > but that shouldn't be a problem. Glad to help. > > On 2/7/14, Sophie Trist wrote: >> Helga, anothe! option is to look up the movie online. I know >> this is cheating a little bit, but for many books and movies, >> sparknotes or cliffnotes can provide a very detailed, accurate >> summary. You could read the story as if it were a book and then >> write your 10 lines. I do that a lot for school movies because >> even when we watch it as a class, I often miss stuff. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Helga Schreiber > To: "louvins at gmail.com" ,National Association >> of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:20:00 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie >> >> Hi Joshua, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, do you know >> where can I find the movie Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes even >> though it doesn't have any descriptive audio? I'm just wondering, >> since probably my mom can watch it with me, and she could >> describe it to me! I actually would like to watch it this >> weekend! And also, do you know how long is the movie? just >> curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help >> me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear >> from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Joshua Hendrickson >> wrote: >> >> Hi Helga the movie Lorenzo's Oil isn't available as descriptive >> as far >> as I know. You're lucky you only have to write 10 lines, when I >> was a >> freshman in high school, I had to do an entire paper based on >> the >> movie. It is a very good but somewhat sad story. The ending of >> the >> film is positive though. I think you'll enjoy it. >> >> On 2/6/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >> wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask >> you, have you >> ever watched the movie Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes? It is >> actually a true >> life story! And if you did, do you know where can I find it as a >> descriptive >> movie? I'm just wondering, since I need to watch it for my >> Biology class, I >> need to write 10 lines about what I think of the movie, and how >> the movie >> impacted me for extra credit. I tried to find it in youtube, >> but I wasn't >> able to do it. My Biology Professor told me that this is a good >> movie, and I >> would like to watch it! I will really appreciate it, if you >> could help me >> with this and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to >> hear from you >> soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreib >> er26%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From hope.paulos at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 16:32:00 2014 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 11:32:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's oil, described version Message-ID: I have a Samnet subscription, and Lorenzo's oil is there, described. HTH. Hope Paulos From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 16:33:09 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:33:09 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie In-Reply-To: References: <52f4d3da.cd833c0a.3e7c.2d9a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Kaiti, you are right about the ending, but it's Hollywood. Why would anyone buy a movie that ended badly? It wouldn't sell. Still, it's a very powerful movie. Ryan On 2/7/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Or, if you want to be legal about it, you could always check it out > from a video store or library. Netflix or some other video on demand > service should have it too. > > Also, it is noteworthy to mention that the end of the movie isn't > exactly accurate. The hollywood gurus make it sound like it was all > hunky dory, but Lorenzo did actually continue to deteriorate, and > eventually die of his disease. The oil prolonged his life, but by the > end for the last few years he was hospitalized and a vegitable. That > is what my high school biology teacher told us after we watched the > movie, so looking up what really happened to him and comparing it to > the depiction in the movie might be good too. > > On 2/7/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >> Hi Helga. Please send me an email at louvins at gmail.com, and I'll be >> able to get you Lorenzo's Oil. I'll have to convert it to mp3 first, >> but that shouldn't be a problem. Glad to help. >> >> On 2/7/14, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> Helga, anothe! option is to look up the movie online. I know >>> this is cheating a little bit, but for many books and movies, >>> sparknotes or cliffnotes can provide a very detailed, accurate >>> summary. You could read the story as if it were a book and then >>> write your 10 lines. I do that a lot for school movies because >>> even when we watch it as a class, I often miss stuff. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Helga Schreiber >> To: "louvins at gmail.com" ,National Association >>> of Blind Students mailing list >> Date sent: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:20:00 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie >>> >>> Hi Joshua, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, do you know >>> where can I find the movie Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes even >>> though it doesn't have any descriptive audio? I'm just wondering, >>> since probably my mom can watch it with me, and she could >>> describe it to me! I actually would like to watch it this >>> weekend! And also, do you know how long is the movie? just >>> curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help >>> me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear >>> from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Joshua Hendrickson >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Helga the movie Lorenzo's Oil isn't available as descriptive >>> as far >>> as I know. You're lucky you only have to write 10 lines, when I >>> was a >>> freshman in high school, I had to do an entire paper based on >>> the >>> movie. It is a very good but somewhat sad story. The ending of >>> the >>> film is positive though. I think you'll enjoy it. >>> >>> On 2/6/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask >>> you, have you >>> ever watched the movie Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes? It is >>> actually a true >>> life story! And if you did, do you know where can I find it as a >>> descriptive >>> movie? I'm just wondering, since I need to watch it for my >>> Biology class, I >>> need to write 10 lines about what I think of the movie, and how >>> the movie >>> impacted me for extra credit. I tried to find it in youtube, >>> but I wasn't >>> able to do it. My Biology Professor told me that this is a good >>> movie, and I >>> would like to watch it! I will really appreciate it, if you >>> could help me >>> with this and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to >>> hear from you >>> soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreib >>> er26%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From matt.dierckens at me.com Fri Feb 7 16:36:47 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 11:36:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie In-Reply-To: References: <52f4d3da.cd833c0a.3e7c.2d9a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Whoever is looking for it, email me privately. Thank you. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Kaiti, you are right about the ending, but it's Hollywood. Why would > anyone buy a movie that ended badly? It wouldn't sell. Still, it's a > very powerful movie. > > Ryan > > On 2/7/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Or, if you want to be legal about it, you could always check it out >> from a video store or library. Netflix or some other video on demand >> service should have it too. >> >> Also, it is noteworthy to mention that the end of the movie isn't >> exactly accurate. The hollywood gurus make it sound like it was all >> hunky dory, but Lorenzo did actually continue to deteriorate, and >> eventually die of his disease. The oil prolonged his life, but by the >> end for the last few years he was hospitalized and a vegitable. That >> is what my high school biology teacher told us after we watched the >> movie, so looking up what really happened to him and comparing it to >> the depiction in the movie might be good too. >> >> On 2/7/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >>> Hi Helga. Please send me an email at louvins at gmail.com, and I'll be >>> able to get you Lorenzo's Oil. I'll have to convert it to mp3 first, >>> but that shouldn't be a problem. Glad to help. >>> >>> On 2/7/14, Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> Helga, anothe! option is to look up the movie online. I know >>>> this is cheating a little bit, but for many books and movies, >>>> sparknotes or cliffnotes can provide a very detailed, accurate >>>> summary. You could read the story as if it were a book and then >>>> write your 10 lines. I do that a lot for school movies because >>>> even when we watch it as a class, I often miss stuff. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Helga Schreiber >>> To: "louvins at gmail.com" ,National Association >>>> of Blind Students mailing list >>> Date sent: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:20:00 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie >>>> >>>> Hi Joshua, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, do you know >>>> where can I find the movie Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes even >>>> though it doesn't have any descriptive audio? I'm just wondering, >>>> since probably my mom can watch it with me, and she could >>>> describe it to me! I actually would like to watch it this >>>> weekend! And also, do you know how long is the movie? just >>>> curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help >>>> me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear >>>> from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Joshua Hendrickson >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Helga the movie Lorenzo's Oil isn't available as descriptive >>>> as far >>>> as I know. You're lucky you only have to write 10 lines, when I >>>> was a >>>> freshman in high school, I had to do an entire paper based on >>>> the >>>> movie. It is a very good but somewhat sad story. The ending of >>>> the >>>> film is positive though. I think you'll enjoy it. >>>> >>>> On 2/6/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask >>>> you, have you >>>> ever watched the movie Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes? It is >>>> actually a true >>>> life story! And if you did, do you know where can I find it as a >>>> descriptive >>>> movie? I'm just wondering, since I need to watch it for my >>>> Biology class, I >>>> need to write 10 lines about what I think of the movie, and how >>>> the movie >>>> impacted me for extra credit. I tried to find it in youtube, >>>> but I wasn't >>>> able to do it. My Biology Professor told me that this is a good >>>> movie, and I >>>> would like to watch it! I will really appreciate it, if you >>>> could help me >>>> with this and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to >>>> hear from you >>>> soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreib >>>> er26%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>> r%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 16:47:53 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 09:47:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Phx - Phoenix sky Harbor international Airport question In-Reply-To: <9A810BD9-72B6-4AE4-AB08-62263B7236F9@gmail.com> References: <37CCDDFB-6184-42ED-9124-A83490199D81@gmail.com> <8A265D3B-BC4C-483E-BFCB-9906801EF0FB@gmail.com> <9A810BD9-72B6-4AE4-AB08-62263B7236F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Terminal 4 is the big terminal. There are four concourses; I think two are on the north and two on the south sides. Baggage claim is always going to be one floor below the gates, so when you get off the plane, look for a down escalator. When you go into the airport to fly back home, you will want to ask where security is for your particular concourse since there are two different checkpoints that don't connect, so if you go through the wrong one you have to exit and go through again. If you want to bypass the ticketing lines and are checking a bag, you can use curbside check-in outside the entrance for Southwest. Good luck! Arielle On 2/7/14, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer wrote: > Thanks for the link, I will definitely try it out! > > Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver > >> On Feb 7, 2014, at 7:46, Kirt wrote: >> >> In the kayak app there are airport guides for ready much every airport in >> the US worth mentioning that list restaurants, gift shops, and their >> terminal locations. When I'm flying to a new place I also like to check >> out the entry for that city on wikitravel.org. There's usually a little >> section of the page which gives a general airport layout... and besides, >> there's always helpful information on there about how the address system >> is laid out, which areas of town are particularly risky for solo >> pedestrian travel, good places to eat, etc.... I really really love that >> website. :-) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 11:23 PM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Good evening to all, >>> >>> I will be flying to Phoenix sky Harbor international Airport with in the >>> next 72 hours, and I was wondering how their terminal is laid out, where >>> are the gates, where is baggage claim, where is there something to eat, >>> where is security? Can you give any helpful hints on this airport in >>> general? I will be using terminal four, and Southwest airlines. Thank you >>> very much. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 17:02:31 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 12:02:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's oil, described version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, this is Helga! I just wantted to ask you, what's Samnet, and how can I subscribe to it? Is it free? Just curious!! I actually never heard of it before! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:32 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's oil, described version I have a Samnet subscription, and Lorenzo's oil is there, described. HTH. Hope Paulos _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 17:08:16 2014 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:08:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Phx - Phoenix sky Harbor international Airport question In-Reply-To: References: <37CCDDFB-6184-42ED-9124-A83490199D81@gmail.com> <8A265D3B-BC4C-483E-BFCB-9906801EF0FB@gmail.com> <9A810BD9-72B6-4AE4-AB08-62263B7236F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48DCE4DF-44FF-4BD9-BD4E-60F40457133C@gmail.com> Thank you! Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver > On Feb 7, 2014, at 9:47, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > Terminal 4 is the big terminal. There are four concourses; I think two > are on the north and two on the south sides. Baggage claim is always > going to be one floor below the gates, so when you get off the plane, > look for a down escalator. When you go into the airport to fly back > home, you will want to ask where security is for your particular > concourse since there are two different checkpoints that don't > connect, so if you go through the wrong one you have to exit and go > through again. If you want to bypass the ticketing lines and are > checking a bag, you can use curbside check-in outside the entrance for > Southwest. Good luck! > Arielle > >> On 2/7/14, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer wrote: >> Thanks for the link, I will definitely try it out! >> >> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver >> >>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 7:46, Kirt wrote: >>> >>> In the kayak app there are airport guides for ready much every airport in >>> the US worth mentioning that list restaurants, gift shops, and their >>> terminal locations. When I'm flying to a new place I also like to check >>> out the entry for that city on wikitravel.org. There's usually a little >>> section of the page which gives a general airport layout... and besides, >>> there's always helpful information on there about how the address system >>> is laid out, which areas of town are particularly risky for solo >>> pedestrian travel, good places to eat, etc.... I really really love that >>> website. :-) >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 11:23 PM, "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Good evening to all, >>>> >>>> I will be flying to Phoenix sky Harbor international Airport with in the >>>> next 72 hours, and I was wondering how their terminal is laid out, where >>>> are the gates, where is baggage claim, where is there something to eat, >>>> where is security? Can you give any helpful hints on this airport in >>>> general? I will be using terminal four, and Southwest airlines. Thank you >>>> very much. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From leonardr.stamper at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 17:26:51 2014 From: leonardr.stamper at gmail.com (Leonard Stamper) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 12:26:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a question. In-Reply-To: <27339DA5-A7A9-4F30-B5A5-9CFBF1C5E3D5@gmail.com> References: <7B7D1873-27A7-45B6-BAB0-0E11F7A6EA2A@gmail.com> <27339DA5-A7A9-4F30-B5A5-9CFBF1C5E3D5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Helga they did help me at answer your question I live in Louisville Kentucky Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 7, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Helga Schreiber wrote: > > Hi Leonard, this is Helga! How are you? You want to find a Braille Anatomy book right? Contact the American Printing House for the Blind. Their number is 800-223-1839. And maybe they can find a book for you or tell you where you can get one. When you call the phone number, it will take you to the costumer service, so the only thing you have to do is ask them, where can I contact anyone in ordr to help me find this book. And they will transfer you to the Library persons. I actually forgot the extention, and the site. Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions ok? Thanks and God bless!! :) > P.S. I just wanted to ask you, where do you live? Do you live in Florida? Just curious! Thanks again! ;) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 7, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Leonard Stamper wrote: >> >> Hello everybody I need your help. Does anyone know where I could find a braille anatomy book thank you? Your help is very much appreciated thank you. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leonardr.stamper%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 7 19:10:34 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 14:10:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: References: <52f47d1c.6289420a.092d.ffff980e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7CF97931AD01471EACA3E0A21E91940C@OwnerPC> I believe marissa is already signed up; but she told us she cannot call herself to order books as a minor. I have no clue why; I did so; but maybe rules differ from state to state. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 6:56 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music Hi Marissa. I don't know why you wouldn't want to be signed up with NLS as you can get so many books from them. What you can do, is contact your local talking book library and just ask for either talking books, or braille materials from them. But first, you need to be signed up with NLS first. I've been getting books from NLS since I was probably about four or five. On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: > > > i do play piano as well as clarinet, (self taught), so I might > look in to the clasical music. I have emailed the Special Ed > Director a very long email, telling him how I need music ASAP > because I have a band festival that my band teacher wants me to > go to. I see no point if I have no music. I cannot play by ear > because the students will not hush when the director is trying to > explain something, and they will not hush when playing, > (percussion really). > I basically told him I need a transcriber, a music book to get > started, and a braille music tutor. He never replied, but told > me that they need to find the money to get these things. Ugh. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 23:48:26 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi, > > While Web Braille did merge with bard, the concept of it is still > the > same. A lot of the music there is classical stuff, songs for > voice, > piano pieces, a few scores of string pieces and chamber group > stuff, > but not much in the way of clarinet stuff at all, or at least the > last > time I checked there wasn't. For high school band pieces you'll > definitely need to use a transcriber. The only pieces I've been > able > to get through NLS have been pieces of standard clarinet > repertoire > like works from Webber, Mozart, etc. NLS is great for getting > these > things because you can often get them in the mail faster than a > transcriber can go through them, and it's already embossed into > nice > hard copy braille for you. > > As per calling the library, I used to be terrified of calling > anywhere > to ask for help, but frankly it's a life skill that I'm glad I > developed. You will need to call and be professional on the > phone > many times when you're an adult, so it's best to start forming > good > habits when you're young. The library is a good place to start > with > this because as Ryan said the librarians are very nice, helpful > people > who already know you're a visually impaired person, so there > aren't > any awkward explanations required while you're still getting your > feet > wet. It's much easier than calling and having to start by > talking to > a shady customer service rep who works for the metro like my O > and M > instructor made me do to develop this skill. :) > > Good luck, > > On 2/6/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > ryan, > nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go > to the bard > site to download all media. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from > their site. > It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I > never have > done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you > want and then > download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already > in Braille > format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in > that format. > Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth > Simphony, > for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I > don't know. > Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. > They're wicked > nice and very helpful. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I know. Sadly, they don EURO (tm)t. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a > form to send > the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I don > EURO (tm)t think so. I think you will have to call them. I > mean, if you > really, really didn > EURO (tm)t want to call them, I wouldn > EURO (tm)t mind shipping you my copy since I haven > EURO (tm)t used it in years. While Richard Tesh > EURO (tm)s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best > one to use. If > you think back to elementary school and those very basic grammar > books > that everyone uses in first and second grade > EURO "that > EURO (tm)s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It > EURO (tm)s the book most every blind musician I know uses > first. I wouldn > EURO (tm)t say no to getting both, though. Then you could take > what you choose > > from both sources. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting > braille music. > > So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I > know what > it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" > on this > list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact > them by > email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having > to call > them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment > with the > braille music code. I could send you something that lists the > code (e.g. > 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, > that > 's just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high > school band > music reasonably well, you > 'd need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you > need is the > > Primer of Braille Music. That > 's the best book there is for learning braille music. You can > get it > from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. > I can > 't remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if > it was, you > > should. They > 're a great resource. If you contact their music division and > ask for > the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for > starting > to learn braille music. Then, if you > 're serious, there are two summer programs into which you could > look. > There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program > for > fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really > serious, to the > > point where you are seriously considering studying music in > college, there > > is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National > Resource Center > > for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The > National > Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the > director > really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. > Feel free to > > e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special > Ed > Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is > sending it to > the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either > send me a > > link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest > and she > can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without > having to > call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 7 19:13:16 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 14:13:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: References: <52f4d3e8.e7ed440a.24dc.1aff@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <64706949693247EDA01E3785A8E01791@OwnerPC> Ryan, I agree that buying audio books is better for the quality of readers. However, that said, I use nls more because its free and so much easier to use than regular mainstream sites. Buying audiobooks could add up and I'm trying to save money. but I will buy some of my favorites through itunes soon. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 7:52 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music Wow. I did not know web braille merged with Bard. Just shows you how infrequently I use the service. I used NLS a lot in high school, but since college, I almost never use them. I rarely ever read music, prefering to learn everything by ear since I have perfect pitch and can learn a piece in, at most, 30 minutes, and as far as regular audio books go, I prefer to buy them because the readers are usually better. I'm very picky about my readers. Ryan On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: > > I do not know if I'm signed up. I think I am, since I received a > digital talking book player. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Hendrickson To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:56:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa. I don't know why you wouldn't want to be signed up > with > NLS as you can get so many books from them. What you can do, is > contact your local talking book library and just ask for either > talking books, or braille materials from them. But first, you > need to > be signed up with NLS first. I've been getting books from NLS > since I > was probably about four or five. > > On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: > > > i do play piano as well as clarinet, (self taught), so I might > look in to the clasical music. I have emailed the Special Ed > Director a very long email, telling him how I need music ASAP > because I have a band festival that my band teacher wants me to > go to. I see no point if I have no music. I cannot play by ear > because the students will not hush when the director is trying > to > explain something, and they will not hush when playing, > (percussion really). > I basically told him I need a transcriber, a music book to get > started, and a braille music tutor. He never replied, but told > me that they need to find the money to get these things. Ugh. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 23:48:26 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi, > > While Web Braille did merge with bard, the concept of it is > still > the > same. A lot of the music there is classical stuff, songs for > voice, > piano pieces, a few scores of string pieces and chamber group > stuff, > but not much in the way of clarinet stuff at all, or at least > the > last > time I checked there wasn't. For high school band pieces you'll > definitely need to use a transcriber. The only pieces I've been > able > to get through NLS have been pieces of standard clarinet > repertoire > like works from Webber, Mozart, etc. NLS is great for getting > these > things because you can often get them in the mail faster than a > transcriber can go through them, and it's already embossed into > nice > hard copy braille for you. > > As per calling the library, I used to be terrified of calling > anywhere > to ask for help, but frankly it's a life skill that I'm glad I > developed. You will need to call and be professional on the > phone > many times when you're an adult, so it's best to start forming > good > habits when you're young. The library is a good place to start > with > this because as Ryan said the librarians are very nice, helpful > people > who already know you're a visually impaired person, so there > aren't > any awkward explanations required while you're still getting > your > feet > wet. It's much easier than calling and having to start by > talking to > a shady customer service rep who works for the metro like my O > and M > instructor made me do to develop this skill. :) > > Good luck, > > On 2/6/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > ryan, > nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go > to the bard > site to download all media. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them > from > their site. > It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I > never have > done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you > want and then > download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, > already > in Braille > format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in > that format. > Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth > Simphony, > for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I > don't know. > Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. > They're wicked > nice and very helpful. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I know. Sadly, they don EURO (tm)t. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a > form to send > the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I don > EURO (tm)t think so. I think you will have to call them. I > mean, if you > really, really didn > EURO (tm)t want to call them, I wouldn > EURO (tm)t mind shipping you my copy since I haven > EURO (tm)t used it in years. While Richard Tesh > EURO (tm)s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best > one to use. If > you think back to elementary school and those very basic > grammar > books > that everyone uses in first and second grade > EURO "that > EURO (tm)s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. > It > EURO (tm)s the book most every blind musician I know uses > first. I wouldn > EURO (tm)t say no to getting both, though. Then you could > take > what you choose > > from both sources. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting > braille music. > > So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I > know what > it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille > music" > on this > list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact > them by > email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having > to call > them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment > with the > braille music code. I could send you something that lists the > code (e.g. > 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, > that > 's just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high > school band > music reasonably well, you > 'd need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you > need is the > > Primer of Braille Music. That > 's the best book there is for learning braille music. You can > get it > from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. > I can > 't remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if > it was, you > > should. They > 're a great resource. If you contact their music division and > ask for > the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for > starting > to learn braille music. Then, if you > 're serious, there are two summer programs into which you > could > look. > There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good > program > for > fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really > serious, to the > > point where you are seriously considering studying music in > college, there > > is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National > Resource Center > > for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. > The > National > Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the > director > really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. > Feel free to > > e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special > Ed > Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is > sending it to > the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and > either > send me a > > link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest > and she > can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without > having to > call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 19:15:59 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 13:15:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <7CF97931AD01471EACA3E0A21E91940C@OwnerPC> References: <52f47d1c.6289420a.092d.ffff980e@mx.google.com> <7CF97931AD01471EACA3E0A21E91940C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: If you don't mind publicizing, Marissa, what state are you in? You should be able to call NLS, especially because, if you're ordering music, you would be calling the music division in D.C. At least, that's what I did when I was in high school. they may have changed, but I don't know. There is no reason why you can't call if you're a minor. I did it all the time. Ryan On 2/7/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > I believe marissa is already signed up; but she told us she cannot call > herself to order books as a minor. I have no clue why; I did so; but maybe > rules differ from state to state. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 6:56 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa. I don't know why you wouldn't want to be signed up with > NLS as you can get so many books from them. What you can do, is > contact your local talking book library and just ask for either > talking books, or braille materials from them. But first, you need to > be signed up with NLS first. I've been getting books from NLS since I > was probably about four or five. > > On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: >> >> >> i do play piano as well as clarinet, (self taught), so I might >> look in to the clasical music. I have emailed the Special Ed >> Director a very long email, telling him how I need music ASAP >> because I have a band festival that my band teacher wants me to >> go to. I see no point if I have no music. I cannot play by ear >> because the students will not hush when the director is trying to >> explain something, and they will not hush when playing, >> (percussion really). >> I basically told him I need a transcriber, a music book to get >> started, and a braille music tutor. He never replied, but told >> me that they need to find the money to get these things. Ugh. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kaiti Shelton > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 23:48:26 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> Hi, >> >> While Web Braille did merge with bard, the concept of it is still >> the >> same. A lot of the music there is classical stuff, songs for >> voice, >> piano pieces, a few scores of string pieces and chamber group >> stuff, >> but not much in the way of clarinet stuff at all, or at least the >> last >> time I checked there wasn't. For high school band pieces you'll >> definitely need to use a transcriber. The only pieces I've been >> able >> to get through NLS have been pieces of standard clarinet >> repertoire >> like works from Webber, Mozart, etc. NLS is great for getting >> these >> things because you can often get them in the mail faster than a >> transcriber can go through them, and it's already embossed into >> nice >> hard copy braille for you. >> >> As per calling the library, I used to be terrified of calling >> anywhere >> to ask for help, but frankly it's a life skill that I'm glad I >> developed. You will need to call and be professional on the >> phone >> many times when you're an adult, so it's best to start forming >> good >> habits when you're young. The library is a good place to start >> with >> this because as Ryan said the librarians are very nice, helpful >> people >> who already know you're a visually impaired person, so there >> aren't >> any awkward explanations required while you're still getting your >> feet >> wet. It's much easier than calling and having to start by >> talking to >> a shady customer service rep who works for the metro like my O >> and M >> instructor made me do to develop this skill. :) >> >> Good luck, >> >> On 2/6/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> ryan, >> nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go >> to the bard >> site to download all media. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ryan Silveira >> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> >> Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from >> their site. >> It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I >> never have >> done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you >> want and then >> download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already >> in Braille >> format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in >> that format. >> Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth >> Simphony, >> for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I >> don't know. >> Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. >> They're wicked >> nice and very helpful. >> >> Ryan >> >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa >> wrote: >> >> >> So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ryan Silveira > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> I know. Sadly, they don EURO (tm)t. >> >> Ryan >> >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa >> wrote: >> >> >> Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a >> form to send >> the book. Make it a lot easer on people. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ryan Silveira > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> I don >> EURO (tm)t think so. I think you will have to call them. I >> mean, if you >> really, really didn >> EURO (tm)t want to call them, I wouldn >> EURO (tm)t mind shipping you my copy since I haven >> EURO (tm)t used it in years. While Richard Tesh >> EURO (tm)s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best >> one to use. If >> you think back to elementary school and those very basic grammar >> books >> that everyone uses in first and second grade >> EURO "that >> EURO (tm)s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It >> EURO (tm)s the book most every blind musician I know uses >> first. I wouldn >> EURO (tm)t say no to getting both, though. Then you could take >> what you choose >> >> from both sources. >> >> Ryan >> >> >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa >> wrote: >> >> >> Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting >> braille music. >> >> So confusing. >> "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. >> the one you listed >> and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I >> know what >> it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" >> on this >> list. >> >> Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact >> them by >> email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having >> to call >> them? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ryan Silveira > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> Hi Marissa, >> >> It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment >> with the >> braille music code. I could send you something that lists the >> code (e.g. >> 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, >> that >> 's just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high >> school band >> music reasonably well, you >> 'd need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you >> need is the >> >> Primer of Braille Music. That >> 's the best book there is for learning braille music. You can >> get it >> from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. >> I can >> 't remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if >> it was, you >> >> should. They >> 're a great resource. If you contact their music division and >> ask for >> the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for >> starting >> to learn braille music. Then, if you >> 're serious, there are two summer programs into which you could >> look. >> There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good program >> for >> fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really >> serious, to the >> >> point where you are seriously considering studying music in >> college, there >> >> is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National >> Resource Center >> >> for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The >> National >> Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the >> director >> really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. >> Feel free to >> >> e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. >> >> >> Ryan >> >> >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa >> wrote: >> >> >> Allright, so here's the deal. >> I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special >> Ed >> Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is >> sending it to >> the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. >> That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. >> >> Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either >> send me a >> >> link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest >> and she >> can braille it for me. >> >> Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without >> having to >> call them? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine >> t104%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 7 19:18:37 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 14:18:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's oil, described version In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I thought you had to use window eyes to belong to samnet. -----Original Message----- From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 12:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's oil, described version Hi, this is Helga! I just wantted to ask you, what's Samnet, and how can I subscribe to it? Is it free? Just curious!! I actually never heard of it before! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Hope Paulos Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:32 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's oil, described version I have a Samnet subscription, and Lorenzo's oil is there, described. HTH. Hope Paulos _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 19:21:43 2014 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 14:21:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <64706949693247EDA01E3785A8E01791@OwnerPC> References: <52f4d3e8.e7ed440a.24dc.1aff@mx.google.com> <64706949693247EDA01E3785A8E01791@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I tend to "check out" books from the BARD site and read them or listen to them that way. If I like them and I have the money, I will buy the Audible or Kindle or iBooks versions and delete the BARD versions--in most cases, anyway. If I had the money, I would subscribe to The Economist, because I find that to be a fascinating listen. I think it's neat that they let us have access ot it at no cost, but it would be nice to support it. Jane On Feb 7, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Ryan, > I agree that buying audio books is better for the quality of readers. However, that said, I use nls more because its free and so much easier to use than regular mainstream sites. Buying audiobooks could add up and I'm trying to save money. but I will buy some of my favorites through itunes soon. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 7:52 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Wow. I did not know web braille merged with Bard. Just shows you how > infrequently I use the service. I used NLS a lot in high school, but > since college, I almost never use them. I rarely ever read music, > prefering to learn everything by ear since I have perfect pitch and > can learn a piece in, at most, 30 minutes, and as far as regular audio > books go, I prefer to buy them because the readers are usually better. > I'm very picky about my readers. > > Ryan > > On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: >> >> I do not know if I'm signed up. I think I am, since I received a >> digital talking book player. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Hendrickson > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 05:56:15 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> Hi Marissa. I don't know why you wouldn't want to be signed up >> with >> NLS as you can get so many books from them. What you can do, is >> contact your local talking book library and just ask for either >> talking books, or braille materials from them. But first, you >> need to >> be signed up with NLS first. I've been getting books from NLS >> since I >> was probably about four or five. >> >> On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: >> >> >> i do play piano as well as clarinet, (self taught), so I might >> look in to the clasical music. I have emailed the Special Ed >> Director a very long email, telling him how I need music ASAP >> because I have a band festival that my band teacher wants me to >> go to. I see no point if I have no music. I cannot play by ear >> because the students will not hush when the director is trying >> to >> explain something, and they will not hush when playing, >> (percussion really). >> I basically told him I need a transcriber, a music book to get >> started, and a braille music tutor. He never replied, but told >> me that they need to find the money to get these things. Ugh. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kaiti Shelton > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 23:48:26 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> Hi, >> >> While Web Braille did merge with bard, the concept of it is >> still >> the >> same. A lot of the music there is classical stuff, songs for >> voice, >> piano pieces, a few scores of string pieces and chamber group >> stuff, >> but not much in the way of clarinet stuff at all, or at least >> the >> last >> time I checked there wasn't. For high school band pieces you'll >> definitely need to use a transcriber. The only pieces I've been >> able >> to get through NLS have been pieces of standard clarinet >> repertoire >> like works from Webber, Mozart, etc. NLS is great for getting >> these >> things because you can often get them in the mail faster than a >> transcriber can go through them, and it's already embossed into >> nice >> hard copy braille for you. >> >> As per calling the library, I used to be terrified of calling >> anywhere >> to ask for help, but frankly it's a life skill that I'm glad I >> developed. You will need to call and be professional on the >> phone >> many times when you're an adult, so it's best to start forming >> good >> habits when you're young. The library is a good place to start >> with >> this because as Ryan said the librarians are very nice, helpful >> people >> who already know you're a visually impaired person, so there >> aren't >> any awkward explanations required while you're still getting >> your >> feet >> wet. It's much easier than calling and having to start by >> talking to >> a shady customer service rep who works for the metro like my O >> and M >> instructor made me do to develop this skill. :) >> >> Good luck, >> >> On 2/6/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> ryan, >> nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go >> to the bard >> site to download all media. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ryan Silveira >> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> >> Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them >> from >> their site. >> It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I >> never have >> done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you >> want and then >> download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, >> already >> in Braille >> format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in >> that format. >> Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth >> Simphony, >> for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I >> don't know. >> Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. >> They're wicked >> nice and very helpful. >> >> Ryan >> >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa >> wrote: >> >> >> So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ryan Silveira > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> I know. Sadly, they don EURO (tm)t. >> >> Ryan >> >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa >> wrote: >> >> >> Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a >> form to send >> the book. Make it a lot easer on people. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ryan Silveira > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> I don >> EURO (tm)t think so. I think you will have to call them. I >> mean, if you >> really, really didn >> EURO (tm)t want to call them, I wouldn >> EURO (tm)t mind shipping you my copy since I haven >> EURO (tm)t used it in years. While Richard Tesh >> EURO (tm)s book is very good, I think the Primer is the best >> one to use. If >> you think back to elementary school and those very basic >> grammar >> books >> that everyone uses in first and second grade >> EURO "that >> EURO (tm)s pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. >> It >> EURO (tm)s the book most every blind musician I know uses >> first. I wouldn >> EURO (tm)t say no to getting both, though. Then you could >> take >> what you choose >> >> from both sources. >> >> Ryan >> >> >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa >> wrote: >> >> >> Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting >> braille music. >> >> So confusing. >> "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. >> the one you listed >> and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I >> know what >> it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille >> music" >> on this >> list. >> >> Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact >> them by >> email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having >> to call >> them? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ryan Silveira > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music >> >> Hi Marissa, >> >> It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment >> with the >> braille music code. I could send you something that lists the >> code (e.g. >> 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I listed all the notes, >> that >> 's just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high >> school band >> music reasonably well, you >> 'd need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you >> need is the >> >> Primer of Braille Music. That >> 's the best book there is for learning braille music. You can >> get it >> from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of Congress. >> I can >> 't remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if >> it was, you >> >> should. They >> 're a great resource. If you contact their music division and >> ask for >> the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best source for >> starting >> to learn braille music. Then, if you >> 're serious, there are two summer programs into which you >> could >> look. >> There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good >> program >> for >> fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, really >> serious, to the >> >> point where you are seriously considering studying music in >> college, there >> >> is the Summer Braille Music Institute, run by the National >> Resource Center >> >> for Blind Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. >> The >> National >> Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the >> director >> really well and I can put you in touch with him if you like. >> Feel free to >> >> e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss further. >> >> >> Ryan >> >> >> On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa >> wrote: >> >> >> Allright, so here's the deal. >> I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special >> Ed >> Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is >> sending it to >> the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. >> That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. >> >> Could someone please find an index of all music notes and >> either >> send me a >> >> link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest >> and she >> can braille it for me. >> >> Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without >> having to >> call them? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine >> t104%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Feb 7 21:07:38 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:07:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Does Anyone have Experience with Brainpop Message-ID: Hi all, Sorry for sending this twice, but I had a lot of mistakes in the first one. My science class is using Brainpop, and I was wondering how accessible it is. Any help would be appriciated. Sincerely, Mikayla Sent from my iPad From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Feb 7 21:14:08 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 16:14:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Brainpop Message-ID: <791F62E8-2480-43D6-91D0-A9F41CB31ED2@icloud.com> Hi, Sorry for sending this twice, but my first message had a lot of mistakes. Does anyone have experience with Brainpop, and how accessible is it? Brainpop has educational quizzes, and videos with a man and robot. Thanks. Sincerely, Mikayla Sent from my iPad From brailleprincess at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 21:31:53 2014 From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:31:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of the Microsoft 365 email platform Message-ID: Hi all, My college just recently upgraded to the Microsoft 365 email platform. >From the look of things, It doesn't seem very accessible with JAWS. Was just curious if anyone else had had experience with this particular platform? Kayla From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 21:33:50 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:33:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of the Microsoft 365 email platform In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005c01cf244c$4b7d21c0$e2776540$@gmail.com> I was going to ask the same thing. I will say that freedom scientific said that it is not supported at this time. I'm hoping like you that someone knows something, or can help us with some sort of short cuts. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kayla Weathers Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 4:32 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of the Microsoft 365 email platform Hi all, My college just recently upgraded to the Microsoft 365 email platform. >From the look of things, It doesn't seem very accessible with JAWS. Was just curious if anyone else had had experience with this particular platform? Kayla _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 7 22:22:13 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:22:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of the Microsoft 365 email platform In-Reply-To: <005c01cf244c$4b7d21c0$e2776540$@gmail.com> References: <005c01cf244c$4b7d21c0$e2776540$@gmail.com> Message-ID: good question, and I asked about office 365 a while back and only Julie responded; she said the email was partly usable. -----Original Message----- From: justin williams Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 4:33 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility of the Microsoft 365 email platform I was going to ask the same thing. I will say that freedom scientific said that it is not supported at this time. I'm hoping like you that someone knows something, or can help us with some sort of short cuts. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kayla Weathers Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 4:32 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of the Microsoft 365 email platform Hi all, My college just recently upgraded to the Microsoft 365 email platform. >From the look of things, It doesn't seem very accessible with JAWS. Was just curious if anyone else had had experience with this particular platform? Kayla _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 23:22:40 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:22:40 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f56af0.635e440a.7f21.ffffa47b@mx.google.com> I live in California. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: I believe marissa is already signed up; but she told us she cannot call herself to order books as a minor. I have no clue why; I did so; but maybe rules differ from state to state. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 6:56 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music Hi Marissa. I don't know why you wouldn't want to be signed up with NLS as you can get so many books from them. What you can do, is contact your local talking book library and just ask for either talking books, or braille materials from them. But first, you need to be signed up with NLS first. I've been getting books from NLS since I was probably about four or five. On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: i do play piano as well as clarinet, (self taught), so I might look in to the clasical music. I have emailed the Special Ed Director a very long email, telling him how I need music ASAP because I have a band festival that my band teacher wants me to go to. I see no point if I have no music. I cannot play by ear because the students will not hush when the director is trying to explain something, and they will not hush when playing, (percussion really). I basically told him I need a transcriber, a music book to get started, and a braille music tutor. He never replied, but told me that they need to find the money to get these things. Ugh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: ryan, nope. web braille merged with bard a year ago. so now you go to the bard site to download all media. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 8:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from their site. It's called Web braille. I don't know how to use it because I never have done, but basically, if you're registered, you search what you want and then download the file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already in Braille format and emboss it. I don't know how many books they have in that format. Mostly, I think, it's just individual pieces (Beethoven's Ninth Simphony, for instance), but they may have some full books on there. I don't know. Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don't be shy. They're wicked nice and very helpful. Ryan On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa wrote: So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a form to send the book. Make it a lot easer on people. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting braille music. So confusing. "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. the one you listed and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading braille music" on this list. Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact them by email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of having to call them? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Silveira wrote: Allright, so here's the deal. I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled apparently. That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my brailleest and she can braille it for me. Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without having to call them? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine t104%40gmail.com -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 23:22:37 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:22:37 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f56aed.635e440a.7f21.ffffa479@mx.google.com> Yes,=20it=20lets=20me=20read=20braille=20files,=20well=20it=20use=20to.=20= =20I=20have=20no=20 display,=20but=20am=20getting=20a=20new=20one=20very=20very=20soon,=20withi= n=20a=20few=20 weeks. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Jane=20=20 wrote: =20Oy.=20=20For=20every=20single=20book=20I=20want?=20Good=20grief. =20I=20could=20use=20web=20braille.=20=20I=20have=20an=20Apex,=20hate=20it,= =20but=20I=20have=20 it. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20So=20every=20time=20I=20want=20a=20braille=20book,=20I=20have=20to=20cal= l=20NLS? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20Wow.=20=20They=20really=20should=20make=20it=20accessable=20to=20just=20= put=20in=20a=20 form=20to=20send=20the=20book.=20=20Make=20it=20a=20lot=20easer=20on=20peop= le. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20Ok,=20so=20now=20I've=20heard=20of=20three=20different=20books=20for=20s= tarting=20 braille=20music..=20=20So=20confusing. =20"An=20Introduction=20to=20Braille=20Music"=20by=20Richard=20Tesh. =20the=20one=20you=20listed =20and=20a=20third,=20which=20I=20cannot=20place=20the=20name=20of=20right= =20now,=20but=20I=20 know=20what=20it=20is=20called.=20=20It=20was=20on=20another=20topic,=20"re= ading=20=20 braille=20music"=20on=20this=20list. =20Yes,=20I=20have=20never=20used=20the=20library.=20=20Is=20there=20a=20wa= y=20to=20contact=20 them=20by=20email,=20and=20have=20the=20book=20sent=20to=20me=20by=20mail,= =20instead=20of=20 having=20to=20call=20them? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20Allright,=20so=20here's=20the=20deal. =20I=20got=20my=20music=20from=20my=20band=20director=20and=20gave=20it=20t= o=20the=20Special=20 Ed=20Director,=20who=20then=20gave=20a=20coppy=20to=20one=20of=20my=20TVIS,= =20who=20is=20 sending=20it=20to=20the=20braille=20institute=20to=20have=20it=20brailled=20= apparently. =20That=20is=20great,=20yes,=20but=20I=20cannot=20read=20it. =20Could=20someone=20please=20find=20an=20index=20of=20all=20music=20notes= =20and=20either=20 send=20me=20a=20link,=20or=20send=20me=20an=20attatchment?=20I=20can=20send= =20it=20to=20my=20 brailleest=20and=20she=20can=20braille=20it=20for=20me. =20Also,=20is=20there=20a=20way=20to=20get=20books=20from=20the=20nabs=20li= brary=20without=20 having=20to=20call=20them? 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I've been ordering my own books since I was probably about 8 or nine. On 2/7/14, marissa wrote: > Yes, it lets me read braille files, well it use to. I have no > display, but am getting a new one very very soon, within a few > weeks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jane To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:36:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I just grabbed all of the stuff from Web Braille about Braille > music. So if you have a way to read eb Braille, try using that. > You may not like the Apex, but it should let you read Braille > files OK. > > Jane > > > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 8:56 PM, marissa > wrote: > > Oy. For every single book I want? Good grief. > I could use web braille. I have an Apex, hate it, but I have > it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:15:42 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > > Yes. The other option, for some books, is to download them from > their site. It > 셲 called Web braille. I don > 셳 know how to use it because I never have done, but basically, > if you > 셱e registered, you search what you want and then download the > file. You can then import it into Duxbury, already in Braille > format and emboss it. I don > 셳 know how many books they have in that format. Mostly, I > think, it > 셲 just individual pieces (Beethoven > 셲 Ninth Simphony, for instance), but they may have some full > books on there. I don > 셳 know. Mostly, though, you will need to call them. Don > 셳 be shy. They > 셱e wicked nice and very helpful. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:49 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > So every time I want a braille book, I have to call NLS? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:20:15 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I know. Sadly, they don > > > 셳. > > Ryan > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Wow. They really should make it accessable to just put in a > form to send the book. Make it a lot easer on people. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:07:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > I don > > > > 셳 think so. I think you will have to call them. I mean, if you > really, really didn > > > > 셳 want to call them, I wouldn > > > > 셳 mind shipping you my copy since I haven > > > > 셳 used it in years. While Richard Tesh > > > > 셲 book is very good, I think the Primer is the best one to use. > If you think back to elementary school and those very basic > grammar books that everyone uses in first and second grade > > > > 봳hat > > > > 셲 pretty much what the Primer of Braille Music is. It > > > > 셲 the book most every blind musician I know uses first. I > wouldn > > > > 셳 say no to getting both, though. Then you could take what you > choose from both sources. > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Ok, so now I've heard of three different books for starting > braille music.. So confusing. > "An Introduction to Braille Music" by Richard Tesh. > the one you listed > and a third, which I cannot place the name of right now, but I > know what it is called. It was on another topic, "reading > braille music" on this list. > > Yes, I have never used the library. Is there a way to contact > them by email, and have the book sent to me by mail, instead of > having to call them? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Silveira To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:55:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marissa, > > It would be a bit difficult to actually send you an attachment > with the braille music code. I could send you something that > lists the code (e.g. 8th note C = dots 1 4 5), but even if I > listed all the notes, that > > 뭩 just the very tip of the iceberg. In order to read high > school band music reasonably well, you > > 뭗 need a whole lot more than just the very basics. What you > need is the Primer of Braille Music. That > > 뭩 the best book there is for learning braille music. You can > get it from NLS (National Library Service) at the Library of > Congress. I can > > 뭪 remember if it was you who said you never use them, but if it > was, you should. They > > 뭨e a great resource. If you contact their music division and > ask for the Primer of Braille Music, that would be your best > source for starting to learn braille music. Then, if you > > 뭨e serious, there are two summer programs into which you could > look.. There is Braille Beats in Michigan, which is a very good > program for fairly serious blind musicians. If you are really, > really serious, to the point where you are seriously considering > studying music in college, there is the Summer Braille Music > Institute, run by the National Resource Center for Blind > Musicians which is held in July in Philladelphia. The National > Resource Center for Blind Musicians is excellent. I know the > director really well and I can put you in touch with him if you > like. Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you want to discuss > further. > > > Ryan > > > On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:40 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Allright, so here's the deal. > I got my music from my band director and gave it to the Special > Ed Director, who then gave a coppy to one of my TVIS, who is > sending it to the braille institute to have it brailled > apparently. > That is great, yes, but I cannot read it. > > Could someone please find an index of all music notes and either > send me a link, or send me an attatchment? I can send it to my > brailleest and she can braille it for me. > > Also, is there a way to get books from the nabs library without > having to call them? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitatighan > %40gmail..com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 7 23:38:32 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:38:32 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f56ea8.64c5440a.6a02.ffff9ebb@mx.google.com> Well,=20all=20the=20dots=20on=20the=20display=20are=20all=20up,=20not=20mov= ing=20at=20all.=20=20 It=20use=20to=20belong=20to=20someone=20in=20Palm=20Springs=20I=20think.=20= =20It=20is=20old.=20=20 I=20am=20getting=20my=20own=20one=20soon.=20=20I=20do=20not=20keep=20it,=20= but=20I=20do=20keep=20it=20 until=20I=20graduate. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Hendrickson=20=20wrote: =20Yes,=20it=20lets=20me=20read=20braille=20files,=20well=20it=20use=20to.= =20=20I=20have=20no =20display,=20but=20am=20getting=20a=20new=20one=20very=20very=20soon,=20wi= thin=20a=20few =20weeks. =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Jane=20=20wrote: =20=20So=20every=20time=20I=20want=20a=20braille=20book,=20I=20have=20to=20= call=20NLS? =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20=20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20=20Wow.=20=20They=20really=20should=20make=20it=20accessable=20to=20just= =20put=20in=20a =20form=20to=20send=20the=20book.=20=20Make=20it=20a=20lot=20easer=20on=20p= eople. =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20=20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20=20Ok,=20so=20now=20I've=20heard=20of=20three=20different=20books=20for= =20starting =20braille=20music..=20=20So=20confusing. =20=20"An=20Introduction=20to=20Braille=20Music"=20by=20Richard=20Tesh. =20=20the=20one=20you=20listed =20=20and=20a=20third,=20which=20I=20cannot=20place=20the=20name=20of=20rig= ht=20now,=20but=20I =20know=20what=20it=20is=20called.=20=20It=20was=20on=20another=20topic,=20= "reading =20braille=20music"=20on=20this=20list. =20=20Yes,=20I=20have=20never=20used=20the=20library.=20=20Is=20there=20a=20= way=20to=20contact =20them=20by=20email,=20and=20have=20the=20book=20sent=20to=20me=20by=20mai= l,=20instead=20of =20having=20to=20call=20them? =20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20=20From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20=20wrote: =20=20Allright,=20so=20here's=20the=20deal. =20=20I=20got=20my=20music=20from=20my=20band=20director=20and=20gave=20it= =20to=20the=20Special =20Ed=20Director,=20who=20then=20gave=20a=20coppy=20to=20one=20of=20my=20TV= IS,=20who=20is =20sending=20it=20to=20the=20braille=20institute=20to=20have=20it=20braille= d =20apparently. =20=20That=20is=20great,=20yes,=20but=20I=20cannot=20read=20it. =20=20Could=20someone=20please=20find=20an=20index=20of=20all=20music=20not= es=20and=20 either =20send=20me=20a=20link,=20or=20send=20me=20an=20attatchment?=20I=20can=20s= end=20it=20to=20my =20brailleest=20and=20she=20can=20braille=20it=20for=20me. =20=20Also,=20is=20there=20a=20way=20to=20get=20books=20from=20the=20nabs=20= library=20without =20having=20to=20call=20them? =20=20_______________________________________________ =20=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your= =20account =20info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei =20=20ra%40gmail.com =20=20_______________________________________________ =20=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your= 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ccount=20 info =20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl =20ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Sat Feb 8 02:20:22 2014 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 18:20:22 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] PDF conversion question Message-ID: Hi all, I am trying to read a PDF on my BrailleNote Apex. While I converted the file successfully via RoboBraille, I am only able to read the typed portions of the file, not the portions that were originally handwritten. Can I assume that there is no way to convert these handwritten comments? The file contains important information that I need as soon as possible, so I will be very, very appreciative of any responses. Best, Lucy From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Feb 8 02:27:25 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 21:27:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] PDF conversion question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C0EE1CB62644887ADEF4C80DA8878CF@OwnerPC> no, the braille note or any OCR cannot read handwriting. -----Original Message----- From: Lucy Sirianni Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:20 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] PDF conversion question Hi all, I am trying to read a PDF on my BrailleNote Apex. While I converted the file successfully via RoboBraille, I am only able to read the typed portions of the file, not the portions that were originally handwritten. Can I assume that there is no way to convert these handwritten comments? The file contains important information that I need as soon as possible, so I will be very, very appreciative of any responses. Best, Lucy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Sat Feb 8 03:34:26 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 22:34:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] PDF conversion question In-Reply-To: <0C0EE1CB62644887ADEF4C80DA8878CF@OwnerPC> References: <0C0EE1CB62644887ADEF4C80DA8878CF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Lucy, Unfortunately, I don't think there's an OCR out there that can handle hand-written text.I've tried a couple of them and none of them have worked. Minh On 2/7/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > no, the braille note or any OCR cannot read handwriting. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lucy Sirianni > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 9:20 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] PDF conversion question > > Hi all, > > I am trying to read a PDF on my BrailleNote Apex. While I > converted the file successfully via RoboBraille, I am only able > to read the typed portions of the file, not the portions that > were originally handwritten. Can I assume that there is no way > to convert these handwritten comments? > > The file contains important information that I need as soon > as possible, so I will be very, very appreciative of any > responses. > > Best, > > Lucy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From mail at change.org Sat Feb 8 08:48:23 2014 From: mail at change.org (Gabriel Cazares) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:48:23 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?=7BDisarmed=7D_I_just_signed_=E2=80=9CPass_TEA?= =?utf-8?q?CH_Act=3A_Equal_Access_to_Educational_Materials_for_Students_wi?= =?utf-8?q?th_Disabilities=E2=80=9D?= Message-ID: <52f5ef5713a56_28a3aec07c11738d@448757-resque1.change.org.com.mail> Hey, I just signed the petition "Pass TEACH Act: Equal Access to Educational Materials for Students with Disabilities" and wanted to see if you could help by adding your name. Our goal is to reach 150,000 signatures and we need more support. You can read more and sign the petition here: https://www.change.org/petitions/pass-teach-act-equal-access-to-educational-materials-for-students-with-disabilities?recruiter=12697527&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=petition_invitation Thanks! Gabriel You're receiving this message because Gabriel Cazares sent you an email through Change.org's petition sharing tool. Change.org has not stored your email address. If you believe you have received this message in error, respond directly to Gabriel Cazares at gcazares10 at gmail.com. From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Feb 8 08:54:26 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 00:54:26 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?Students_with_Disabilities=E2=80=9D?= Message-ID: <52f5f0f3.25fa420a.65ec.4dc2@mx.google.com> Is=20there=20a=20certain=20age=20you=20have=20to=20be=20in=20order=20to=20s= ign=20it? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Gabriel=20Cazares=20 References: <52f5f0f3.25fa420a.65ec.4dc2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <55B38728-6346-4154-ABA1-4BC362861DB6@gmail.com> Not at all. All are welcome to sign the petition. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2014, at 3:54 AM, marissa wrote: > > > Is there a certain age you have to be in order to sign it? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gabriel Cazares To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 08:48:23 +0000 > Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} I just signed “Pass TEACH Act: Equal Access to Educational Materials for Students with Disabilities” > > Hey, > > I just signed the petition "Pass TEACH Act: Equal Access to Educational Materials for Students with Disabilities" and wanted to see if you could help by adding your name. > > Our goal is to reach 150,000 signatures and we need more support. You can read more and sign the petition here: > > https://www.change.org/petitions/pass-teach-act-equal-access-to-e > ducational-materials-for-students-with-disabilities?recruiter=126 > 97527&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pet > ition_invitation > > Thanks! > Gabriel > > > You're receiving this message because Gabriel Cazares sent you an email through Change.org's petition sharing tool. Change.org has not stored your email address. If you believe you have received this message in error, respond directly to Gabriel Cazares at gcazares10 at gmail.com. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Feb 8 18:33:15 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 10:33:15 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube searching Message-ID: <52f6789d.626d440a.6fab.ffffc27f@mx.google.com> Hi all, I am looking for two things on youtube. I cannot seem to find them. Please help. First, I am looking for Bella's Lullaby, left hand tutorial. Not with three keys in the right hand, but just a simple two key right hand. And, How To Save a Life with vocal notes expleined, this does not help m.youtube.com/watch?v=zCRMnQignss&guid=&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl =en From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sat Feb 8 21:57:21 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 16:57:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f6a84b.c407ec0a.7b6b.ffffe73c@mx.google.com> Hi Marisa this is Roanna Bacchus. I have been reading your mosts on the Nabs list for a few months. Jry exercising your braille display. Maybe that will help with the problem. From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Feb 8 22:03:41 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 14:03:41 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f6a9ef.c2d1440a.70c3.ffffe133@mx.google.com> It doesn't. I have tried everything. Exersising the display included. Nothing works. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roanna Baccchus Greetings all: Each year the National Federation of the Blind awards thirty scholarships to deserving blind students at our national convention. these people come from many different walks of life, have diverse backgrounds, aspirations and interests. They come from all over the country and chances are you’ve probably met one of them. well, on Sunday, you will find out how to be one of them! Join the National Association of Blind Students as we collaborate once again with our friend and fellow federationest Patti gregory-Chang. As chair of the national scholarship committee, she’ll let you in on the secret to a successful scholarship application, so you won’t want to miss it! When: Sunday, February 9, 2014 at 6:00 P.M. Eastern Where?: conference line: (605) 475-6700. Code: 786-9673. Talk to you then! The membership committee of the National Association of Blind Students. Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 01:33:26 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 20:33:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f6a9ef.c2d1440a.70c3.ffffe133@mx.google.com> References: <52f6a9ef.c2d1440a.70c3.ffffe133@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, Speaking as someone who just called NLS, there is nothing which says a minor cannot call. This is a ridiculous statement, as regular libraries also let minors check out books on their own cards. Like Joshuah, iI have been using NLS since I was 8 or 9 and never had an issue, especially with the music office in D.C. I think the isue is not so mch a confusion on the rules, but an assumption that minors cannot call for themselves or a fear of being on the phone. As I have said before, the best way to conquer these things is to just do it and get some practice, and NLS personelle are the best kind of people to start with. On 2/8/14, marissa wrote: > > It doesn't. I have tried everything. Exersising the display > included. > Nothing works. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roanna Baccchus To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 16:57:21 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marisa this is Roanna Bacchus. I have been reading your mosts > on the Nabs list for a few months. Jry exercising your braille > display. Maybe that will help with the problem. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 01:35:46 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 17:35:46 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f6dba5.c3b2440a.27ca.06fa@mx.google.com> Allright, I'll try to call tomorrow or something. But I'll be at a friends house, so is there a way to find the number in a book or something? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: It doesn't. I have tried everything. Exersising the display included. Nothing works. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roanna Baccchus References: <52f6dba5.c3b2440a.27ca.06fa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3CE376C5-FDCB-4409-AFE8-D52C8A8EDC82@gmail.com> Try looking at nls.loc.gov. I believe there is a link on that page which is titled "Find a Library." All state library info can be found there. You would call your state's library to apply if they don't have the form on their Web site. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2014, at 8:35 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Allright, I'll try to call tomorrow or something. But I'll be at a friends house, so is there a way to find the number in a book or something? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 20:33:26 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi, > > Speaking as someone who just called NLS, there is nothing which says a > minor cannot call. This is a ridiculous statement, as regular > libraries also let minors check out books on their own cards. Like > Joshuah, iI have been using NLS since I was 8 or 9 and never had an > issue, especially with the music office in D.C. > > I think the isue is not so mch a confusion on the rules, but an > assumption that minors cannot call for themselves or a fear of being > on the phone. As I have said before, the best way to conquer these > things is to just do it and get some practice, and NLS personelle are > the best kind of people to start with. > > On 2/8/14, marissa wrote: > > It doesn't. I have tried everything. Exersising the display > included. > Nothing works. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roanna Baccchus To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 16:57:21 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music > > Hi Marisa this is Roanna Bacchus. I have been reading your mosts > on the Nabs list for a few months. Jry exercising your braille > display. Maybe that will help with the problem. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine > t104%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 04:09:24 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 23:09:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder, Join NABS to talk about NFB scholarship program (tomorrow at 6ET). In-Reply-To: <9CD8ABA1-F640-4384-BE50-FD8D6C3DCE12@gmail.com> References: <9CD8ABA1-F640-4384-BE50-FD8D6C3DCE12@gmail.com> Message-ID: <112B743DD38D4862BEDEE21961CDA17E@Helga> Hi Mr. Darian, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, is this confference call meeting going to be recorded? I'm just wondering, just in case I wasn't abel to make it for some reason. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! -----Original Message----- From: Darian Smith Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:46 PM To: Georgia Association of blind students ; Minnesota Association of blind students ; Kentucky Association of blind students ; Illinois Association of blind students ; Ctabs at nfbnet.org ; Michigan Association of blind students ; North Carolina Association of blind students ; Nebraska Association of blind students ; New Hampshire Association of blind students ; List for NABS State Presidents ; Missouri Association of Blind Students ; fabs at nfbnet.org ; cabs-talk blind students ; Colorado Association of Blind Students ; Massachusetts Association of blind students ; Texas Association of blind students ; Louisiana Association of blind students ; Maryland Association of blind students ; Ohio Association of blind students ; New Mexico Association of Blind Students ; Blind International Students Mailing List ; Alabama Association of blind students ; New Jersey Association of blind students ; Wisconsin Association of blind students ; New York Association of blind students ; Utah Association of blind students ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; West Virginia Association of blind students ; Tennessee Association of blind students ; Arizona Association of blind students Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder,Join NABS to talk about NFB scholarship program (tomorrow at 6ET). Greetings all: Each year the National Federation of the Blind awards thirty scholarships to deserving blind students at our national convention. these people come from many different walks of life, have diverse backgrounds, aspirations and interests. They come from all over the country and chances are you’ve probably met one of them. well, on Sunday, you will find out how to be one of them! Join the National Association of Blind Students as we collaborate once again with our friend and fellow federationest Patti gregory-Chang. As chair of the national scholarship committee, she’ll let you in on the secret to a successful scholarship application, so you won’t want to miss it! When: Sunday, February 9, 2014 at 6:00 P.M. Eastern Where?: conference line: (605) 475-6700. Code: 786-9673. Talk to you then! The membership committee of the National Association of Blind Students. Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call > 1-855-659-9314 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 06:16:47 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 01:16:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie Message-ID: Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you here have the youtube link of Lorenzo’s Oil and Peroxisomes movie? I’m just wondering, since I would like to watch it this weekend with my family, since we never watched it before! I will really appreciate it a lot!, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 08:08:51 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 00:08:51 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f737c5.2624440a.5f26.623e@mx.google.com> I think I am already registered. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum wrote: Allright, I'll try to call tomorrow or something. But I'll be at a friends house, so is there a way to find the number in a book or something? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: It doesn't. I have tried everything. Exersising the display included. Nothing works. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roanna Baccchus This discussion brings up a great question, one I intend to do some research on, but maybe someone else out there already knows the answer? Is/are there groups or resources, not associated with college disabilities offices who translate hand written material into text-based, or other accessible media formats for free or cheaply in an expeditious manner? Zac On 2/7/14, minh ha Good morning, last year i had the privilege of meeting a young lady from Ohio. She contacted me to express interest in serving as a part of the community service group project that was to help out with the book fare at the 2013 national Convention, and to speak at our annual seminar. Though she went on to win a national scholarship, she was still gracious enough to attend the seminar and give a great speech that ultimately ended up in “ future reflections” which is the official publication of our parents division. Today kaiti Shelton serves as a leader in our Ohio affiliate as president of it’s student division and chairs the convention service project committee (CSP) of the community service group. below you will find the article. I hope you find it as enjoyable as I have. Future Reflections Summer 2013 (back) (contents) (next) From a Requirement to a Desire: Why Service is Important by Kaiti Shelton >From the Editor: This article is based on a speech Kaiti Shelton delivered to the Community Service Group at the 2013 NFB national convention in Orlando. Kaiti is a sophomore at the University of Dayton in Ohio, and she was awarded a 2013 NFB National Scholarship. When I was in kindergarten, my mother enrolled me in Girl Scouts. For the next seven years I spent much of my free time camping, hiking, and working to earn badges with my friends. Along the way my troop also did small things to give back to the community in which we lived. I remember planting flower bulbs and pulling weeds outside my elementary school, helping to decorate the display case in the school commons area, and working at an event to benefit St. Jude's Research Hospital. The event, called the Mathathon, is similar to the American Cancer Society's Relay for Life. Back then I didn't really understand why my friends and I were doing these things. As I handed out water bottles to runners at the Mathathon, a part of me couldn't help but wonder, "When is this thing going to be over so I can go play?" Even when I ran my two laps around the school's baseball field to complete my work in the Mathathon, I wondered when I could stop running; I was tired, hot, and thirsty. I knew that what I was doing was nice, and that it was good to help people, but I didn't understand the intrinsic value of service. Whenever I did something, I expected an award in acknowledgement of my actions. That all changed when I joined my high school's Student Senate as an advisory representative. One of the requirements for maintaining membership in the Student Senate was the completion of fifteen hours of community service per semester. A lot of the activities Student Senate offered for members to earn service hours involved making the school look nice in some way. Major events included decorating the gym for dances and painting festive pictures and sayings on the cafeteria windows each month to celebrate holidays or special events. While I probably could have participated in these activities to an extent, I didn't think I would be able to give back as much as I wanted to. I didn't want to sit in a corner idly waiting for something else to do while my classmates performed visual tasks. I realized that if I was truly going to give back, I would have to create opportunities for service that would align with my strengths and afford me a real chance to help to the best of my abilities. My mother played a major role in helping me get started. First she agreed to let me help her with a project she had been working on for years. An advocate of Braille literacy herself, my mom wanted to create a Braille book lending library for the Sightless Children's Club, a nonprofit organization in Ohio that seeks to provide assistive technology to legally blind students. While my mom kept track of the donated books and made a list of titles, authors, genres, and grade levels, I made Braille labels to stick on the spine of each book for quick browsing on the shelves. The books were then packed into boxes and taken to the club's location, where they have since been stored in a library room of considerable size. Once the library project was complete, my mom suggested that I capitalize on my love of music and my knack for working with kids. As a child I had attended music programs at the Cincinnati Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired. My mom thought I might love to give back to that program. I took her suggestion, completed volunteer training, and began volunteering at monthly music groups that winter. A Passion for Service I did not quite know what to expect when I showed up for my first day of volunteering. I was a freshman in high school. I had only a vague idea what music therapy was, and even less of an idea of how or why it worked. I did not have a set of instructions telling me what to do or how to do it, and I was briefly taken aback when I was told that some of the students were nonverbal and used wheelchairs. I had never met anyone who was nonverbal, and I had had limited contact with wheelchair users. I realized that, just as I wanted to be treated normally, the students I would be helping would want the same thing. After briefly observing the group and noticing how the two music therapists assisted the students, I began to assist them myself. By the end of the day I felt more at ease, and I had aided several students in playing their instruments of choice. As I continued to help with the music program, I realized that I loved volunteering and looked forward to making music with the group members each month. A year into my volunteer work, I realized that music therapy interested me, and I planned to pursue it as a career. I was recognized with the agency's Paul Silverglade Youth Volunteer Award for my contributions to the youth services program. I was surprised, honored, and grateful to be given such an award, but at that point I knew I was doing service for purely intrinsic reasons. I was no longer after awards and accolades as payoffs for doing a good thing. The benefits I received as a volunteer were far more important than any plaque ever could be. I had found a career that excited me, as well as a passion for community service. I continued to volunteer at the monthly music groups for the rest of my high school career, and I still visit when I am home from college. The Impact of Service In spite of a hefty course load at the University of Dayton, I am still extremely interested in giving back to the community. I manage to juggle this interest along with my homework and classes through involvement in several campus organizations. Last year I volunteered with an after-school music program called the Edison Music Project at one of Dayton's inner-city elementary schools. I taught basic piano, clarinet, and percussion to fifth- and sixth-grade students. I joined the coed service fraternity Alpha Phi Omega, and I have participated in service projects including cleaning up trash around campus, ushering for the spring musical, and participating in a dance marathon to benefitt the Children's Miracle Network of Hospitals. As a member of the University of Dayton Music Therapy Club, I have provided musical enrichment to nursing home residents, teens with developmental disabilities, and patients at Dayton Children's Hospital. Last semester I participated in what was possibly the most powerful service event of the year. Along with the sisters of Sigma Alpha Iota, a professional women's music fraternity of which I am now a member, I went to a St. Vincent de Paul women's shelter to play for the residents. The women were deeply moved by the music; they laughed, cried, and were very appreciative of our performance. It was great to see that something as simple as music could change someone's day and make her so happy. Another powerful service project in which I participated as a member of the greater campus community was an annual program called Christmas on Campus. Interested University of Dayton students sign up to adopt a first- or second-grade child from one of Dayton's less privileged elementary schools. The students provide the children with a small Christmas gift and chaperone them as they enjoy a few hours of kid-friendly activities on campus. I really enjoyed spending time with the second grader I was paired with. I felt like I helped him have a good time right before the holidays. More recently I have been an active volunteer with the first Ohio BELL program. I hope to assist in other NFB programs in years to come. Each of these service projects has shown me the importance of giving back to the community and using my talents and skills to help others. Conclusion What does involvement in community service mean to you or to a student you know? Community service has several secondary benefits that are great for volunteers. On the extrinsic level, volunteering can assist students build résumés that are helpful in applying for jobs and scholarships. Students might even earn an award for their service. Aside from the socialization that comes from working as a member of a team and interacting with others, students who volunteer also have opportunities on the intrinsic level. They can gain empathy and compassion for others, improve their communication skills and confidence, and find a career they are passionate about pursuing. Unique to blind students are the opportunities to learn patience for answering questions related to blindness while actively demonstrating that blind people can lead independent lives and contribute to their communities. I believe this is probably the best way to educate the public on the true nature of blindness. However, it is important to bear in mind that service is not about building a résumé or looking good to a scholarship committee. It should not be done for the purposes of building social skills or as a means of searching for a vocation. Furthermore, the goal of doing service as a blind student should not be to educate the sighted public. Service is not about what is good for the volunteer, but what is good for the person or people the volunteer is seeking to help. Sometimes those extrinsic rewards will come along as the result of service, but when service is done for the right reasons those byproducts will be far more meaningful. I encourage all students to become active servant leaders in whatever ways they can and to strive to do so solely for the intrinsic value of helping others. I also encourage parents and teachers to help their students find ways to serve that utilize their unique talents and capabilities. Charles Dickens wrote, "No one is useless who lightens the burdens of another," and he was absolutely right. Blind students can serve just as effectively and with as much sincerity and compassion as their sighted peers. Whether the project is a large-scale mission trip to a foreign country or an hour of volunteering at a community food bank, the important thing is that it is being done. The National Federation of the Blind Community Service Group is currently working towards becoming a division. If you are interested in joining the group or aiding in the transition to division status, please contact Darian Smith for more details. You can reach him at dsmithnfb at gmail.com. Media Share (back) (contents) (next) Darian Smith Chairperson, Community Service Group -National Federation of The Blind. (415)215-9809 dsmithnfb at gmail.com “ "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I know: the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who will have sought and found how to serve” - Albert Schweitzer. Your unwanted vehicle can be just what the blind need to make possibilities reality. > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Feb 9 14:51:40 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 09:51:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f737c5.2624440a.5f26.623e@mx.google.com> References: <52f737c5.2624440a.5f26.623e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <37078E4162754B9C982AD09C299078B7@OwnerPC> Marisa, If you have registered, its best to call the music section in DC for music material; for general info, call your local network library. Chris is incorrect; you do not call the state library for general matters. For talking books, you call your local network library which is from the county usually; you need to ask someone that is working with you like your TVI about this because they know your situation. We cannot give you the number for your local library because we do not know where you live. Also, I've read some messages and some info is incorrect. There is a difference between what the big main headquarters nls staff does in Dc versus your state regional library versus your local network library. If you want to call yourself, do some research and advocacy to find the right point of contact. Your TVI would know or your parents, but it does not sound like they are encouraging you to call yourself. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 3:08 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music I think I am already registered. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum wrote: Allright, I'll try to call tomorrow or something. But I'll be at a friends house, so is there a way to find the number in a book or something? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: It doesn't. I have tried everything. Exersising the display included. Nothing works. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roanna Baccchus References: Message-ID: Why not just search on YouTube? Either it's there, or it isn't, but I would think there's only one way to find out…:-) Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2014, at 11:16 PM, wrote: > > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you here have the youtube link of Lorenzo’s Oil and Peroxisomes movie? I’m just wondering, since I would like to watch it this weekend with my family, since we never watched it before! I will really appreciate it a lot!, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 14:56:17 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 06:56:17 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music Message-ID: <52f79744.64c5440a.6a02.ffffba73@mx.google.com> They are not the ones who said that a minor could not call. It was someone else, who obviously had no clue. I thought there was just a number to call and it would put me through to nls? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Allright, I'll try to call tomorrow or something. But I'll be at a friends house, so is there a way to find the number in a book or something? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: It doesn't. I have tried everything. Exersising the display included. Nothing works. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roanna Baccchus References: <6D7979FF-C075-41BF-9E9A-60230EA66E45@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5BE04930-7CA7-4624-8C74-C3BF2FB77714@icloud.com> Thanks for sharing! My parents got me into Future Reflections, and I found the speech very meaningful! Sent from my iPad On Feb 9, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Darian Smith wrote: > Good morning, > > last year i had the privilege of meeting a young lady from Ohio. She contacted me to express interest in serving as a part of the community service group project that was to help out with the book fare at the 2013 national Convention, and to speak at our annual seminar. > Though she went on to win a national scholarship, she was still gracious enough to attend the seminar and give a great speech that ultimately ended up in “ future reflections” which is the official publication of our parents division. Today kaiti Shelton serves as a leader in our Ohio affiliate as president of it’s student division and chairs the convention service project committee (CSP) of the community service group. > below you will find the article. I hope you find it as enjoyable as I have. > > > Future Reflections Summer 2013 > > (back) (contents) (next) > > From a Requirement to a Desire: > Why Service is Important > > by Kaiti Shelton > > From the Editor: This article is based on a speech Kaiti Shelton delivered to the Community Service Group at the 2013 NFB national convention in Orlando. Kaiti is a sophomore at the University of Dayton in Ohio, and she was awarded a 2013 NFB National Scholarship. > > When I was in kindergarten, my mother enrolled me in Girl Scouts. For the next seven years I spent much of my free time camping, hiking, and working to earn badges with my friends. Along the way my troop also did small things to give back to the community in which we lived. I remember planting flower bulbs and pulling weeds outside my elementary school, helping to decorate the display case in the school commons area, and working at an event to benefit St. Jude's Research Hospital. The event, called the Mathathon, is similar to the American Cancer Society's Relay for Life. > > Back then I didn't really understand why my friends and I were doing these things. As I handed out water bottles to runners at the Mathathon, a part of me couldn't help but wonder, "When is this thing going to be over so I can go play?" Even when I ran my two laps around the school's baseball field to complete my work in the Mathathon, I wondered when I could stop running; I was tired, hot, and thirsty. I knew that what I was doing was nice, and that it was good to help people, but I didn't understand the intrinsic value of service. Whenever I did something, I expected an award in acknowledgement of my actions. > > That all changed when I joined my high school's Student Senate as an advisory representative. One of the requirements for maintaining membership in the Student Senate was the completion of fifteen hours of community service per semester. A lot of the activities Student Senate offered for members to earn service hours involved making the school look nice in some way. Major events included decorating the gym for dances and painting festive pictures and sayings on the cafeteria windows each month to celebrate holidays or special events. > > While I probably could have participated in these activities to an extent, I didn't think I would be able to give back as much as I wanted to. I didn't want to sit in a corner idly waiting for something else to do while my classmates performed visual tasks. I realized that if I was truly going to give back, I would have to create opportunities for service that would align with my strengths and afford me a real chance to help to the best of my abilities. > > My mother played a major role in helping me get started. First she agreed to let me help her with a project she had been working on for years. An advocate of Braille literacy herself, my mom wanted to create a Braille book lending library for the Sightless Children's Club, a nonprofit organization in Ohio that seeks to provide assistive technology to legally blind students. While my mom kept track of the donated books and made a list of titles, authors, genres, and grade levels, I made Braille labels to stick on the spine of each book for quick browsing on the shelves. The books were then packed into boxes and taken to the club's location, where they have since been stored in a library room of considerable size. > > Once the library project was complete, my mom suggested that I capitalize on my love of music and my knack for working with kids. As a child I had attended music programs at the Cincinnati Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired. My mom thought I might love to give back to that program. I took her suggestion, completed volunteer training, and began volunteering at monthly music groups that winter. > > A Passion for Service > > I did not quite know what to expect when I showed up for my first day of volunteering. I was a freshman in high school. I had only a vague idea what music therapy was, and even less of an idea of how or why it worked. I did not have a set of instructions telling me what to do or how to do it, and I was briefly taken aback when I was told that some of the students were nonverbal and used wheelchairs. I had never met anyone who was nonverbal, and I had had limited contact with wheelchair users. I realized that, just as I wanted to be treated normally, the students I would be helping would want the same thing. After briefly observing the group and noticing how the two music therapists assisted the students, I began to assist them myself. By the end of the day I felt more at ease, and I had aided several students in playing their instruments of choice. > > As I continued to help with the music program, I realized that I loved volunteering and looked forward to making music with the group members each month. A year into my volunteer work, I realized that music therapy interested me, and I planned to pursue it as a career. I was recognized with the agency's Paul Silverglade Youth Volunteer Award for my contributions to the youth services program. I was surprised, honored, and grateful to be given such an award, but at that point I knew I was doing service for purely intrinsic reasons. I was no longer after awards and accolades as payoffs for doing a good thing. The benefits I received as a volunteer were far more important than any plaque ever could be. I had found a career that excited me, as well as a passion for community service. I continued to volunteer at the monthly music groups for the rest of my high school career, and I still visit when I am home from college. > > The Impact of Service > > In spite of a hefty course load at the University of Dayton, I am still extremely interested in giving back to the community. I manage to juggle this interest along with my homework and classes through involvement in several campus organizations. Last year I volunteered with an after-school music program called the Edison Music Project at one of Dayton's inner-city elementary schools. I taught basic piano, clarinet, and percussion to fifth- and sixth-grade students. I joined the coed service fraternity Alpha Phi Omega, and I have participated in service projects including cleaning up trash around campus, ushering for the spring musical, and participating in a dance marathon to benefitt the Children's Miracle Network of Hospitals. As a member of the University of Dayton Music Therapy Club, I have provided musical enrichment to nursing home residents, teens with developmental disabilities, and patients at Dayton Children's Hospital. > > Last semester I participated in what was possibly the most powerful service event of the year. Along with the sisters of Sigma Alpha Iota, a professional women's music fraternity of which I am now a member, I went to a St. Vincent de Paul women's shelter to play for the residents. The women were deeply moved by the music; they laughed, cried, and were very appreciative of our performance. It was great to see that something as simple as music could change someone's day and make her so happy. > > Another powerful service project in which I participated as a member of the greater campus community was an annual program called Christmas on Campus. Interested University of Dayton students sign up to adopt a first- or second-grade child from one of Dayton's less privileged elementary schools. The students provide the children with a small Christmas gift and chaperone them as they enjoy a few hours of kid-friendly activities on campus. I really enjoyed spending time with the second grader I was paired with. I felt like I helped him have a good time right before the holidays. > > More recently I have been an active volunteer with the first Ohio BELL program. I hope to assist in other NFB programs in years to come. Each of these service projects has shown me the importance of giving back to the community and using my talents and skills to help others. > > Conclusion > > What does involvement in community service mean to you or to a student you know? Community service has several secondary benefits that are great for volunteers. On the extrinsic level, volunteering can assist students build résumés that are helpful in applying for jobs and scholarships. Students might even earn an award for their service. Aside from the socialization that comes from working as a member of a team and interacting with others, students who volunteer also have opportunities on the intrinsic level. They can gain empathy and compassion for others, improve their communication skills and confidence, and find a career they are passionate about pursuing. Unique to blind students are the opportunities to learn patience for answering questions related to blindness while actively demonstrating that blind people can lead independent lives and contribute to their communities. I believe this is probably the best way to educate the public on the true nature of blindness. > > However, it is important to bear in mind that service is not about building a résumé or looking good to a scholarship committee. It should not be done for the purposes of building social skills or as a means of searching for a vocation. Furthermore, the goal of doing service as a blind student should not be to educate the sighted public. Service is not about what is good for the volunteer, but what is good for the person or people the volunteer is seeking to help. Sometimes those extrinsic rewards will come along as the result of service, but when service is done for the right reasons those byproducts will be far more meaningful. I encourage all students to become active servant leaders in whatever ways they can and to strive to do so solely for the intrinsic value of helping others. I also encourage parents and teachers to help their students find ways to serve that utilize their unique talents and capabilities. Charles Dickens wrote, "No one is useless who lightens the burdens of another," and he was absolutely right. Blind students can serve just as effectively and with as much sincerity and compassion as their sighted peers. Whether the project is a large-scale mission trip to a foreign country or an hour of volunteering at a community food bank, the important thing is that it is being done. > > The National Federation of the Blind Community Service Group is currently working towards becoming a division. If you are interested in joining the group or aiding in the transition to division status, please contact Darian Smith for more details. You can reach him at dsmithnfb at gmail.com. > > Media Share > > > (back) (contents) (next) > > > Darian Smith > Chairperson, Community Service Group -National Federation of The Blind. > (415)215-9809 > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > “ > "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I know: the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who will have sought and found how to serve” > - Albert Schweitzer. > > Your unwanted vehicle can be just what the blind need to make possibilities reality. >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Feb 9 16:01:54 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 11:01:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} From a Requirement to a Desire: In-Reply-To: <6D7979FF-C075-41BF-9E9A-60230EA66E45@gmail.com> References: <6D7979FF-C075-41BF-9E9A-60230EA66E45@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9C9C05BD-0AF4-4077-BCE5-0C248F135C36@icloud.com> Thanks for sharing! My parents got me into Future Reflections, so I have already read it. Nevertheless, I still enjoyed it. Sent from my iPad On Feb 9, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Darian Smith wrote: > Good morning, > > last year i had the privilege of meeting a young lady from Ohio. She contacted me to express interest in serving as a part of the community service group project that was to help out with the book fare at the 2013 national Convention, and to speak at our annual seminar. > Though she went on to win a national scholarship, she was still gracious enough to attend the seminar and give a great speech that ultimately ended up in “ future reflections” which is the official publication of our parents division. Today kaiti Shelton serves as a leader in our Ohio affiliate as president of it’s student division and chairs the convention service project committee (CSP) of the community service group. > below you will find the article. I hope you find it as enjoyable as I have. > > > Future Reflections Summer 2013 > > (back) (contents) (next) > > From a Requirement to a Desire: > Why Service is Important > > by Kaiti Shelton > > From the Editor: This article is based on a speech Kaiti Shelton delivered to the Community Service Group at the 2013 NFB national convention in Orlando. Kaiti is a sophomore at the University of Dayton in Ohio, and she was awarded a 2013 NFB National Scholarship. > > When I was in kindergarten, my mother enrolled me in Girl Scouts. For the next seven years I spent much of my free time camping, hiking, and working to earn badges with my friends. Along the way my troop also did small things to give back to the community in which we lived. I remember planting flower bulbs and pulling weeds outside my elementary school, helping to decorate the display case in the school commons area, and working at an event to benefit St. Jude's Research Hospital. The event, called the Mathathon, is similar to the American Cancer Society's Relay for Life. > > Back then I didn't really understand why my friends and I were doing these things. As I handed out water bottles to runners at the Mathathon, a part of me couldn't help but wonder, "When is this thing going to be over so I can go play?" Even when I ran my two laps around the school's baseball field to complete my work in the Mathathon, I wondered when I could stop running; I was tired, hot, and thirsty. I knew that what I was doing was nice, and that it was good to help people, but I didn't understand the intrinsic value of service. Whenever I did something, I expected an award in acknowledgement of my actions. > > That all changed when I joined my high school's Student Senate as an advisory representative. One of the requirements for maintaining membership in the Student Senate was the completion of fifteen hours of community service per semester. A lot of the activities Student Senate offered for members to earn service hours involved making the school look nice in some way. Major events included decorating the gym for dances and painting festive pictures and sayings on the cafeteria windows each month to celebrate holidays or special events. > > While I probably could have participated in these activities to an extent, I didn't think I would be able to give back as much as I wanted to. I didn't want to sit in a corner idly waiting for something else to do while my classmates performed visual tasks. I realized that if I was truly going to give back, I would have to create opportunities for service that would align with my strengths and afford me a real chance to help to the best of my abilities. > > My mother played a major role in helping me get started. First she agreed to let me help her with a project she had been working on for years. An advocate of Braille literacy herself, my mom wanted to create a Braille book lending library for the Sightless Children's Club, a nonprofit organization in Ohio that seeks to provide assistive technology to legally blind students. While my mom kept track of the donated books and made a list of titles, authors, genres, and grade levels, I made Braille labels to stick on the spine of each book for quick browsing on the shelves. The books were then packed into boxes and taken to the club's location, where they have since been stored in a library room of considerable size. > > Once the library project was complete, my mom suggested that I capitalize on my love of music and my knack for working with kids. As a child I had attended music programs at the Cincinnati Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired. My mom thought I might love to give back to that program. I took her suggestion, completed volunteer training, and began volunteering at monthly music groups that winter. > > A Passion for Service > > I did not quite know what to expect when I showed up for my first day of volunteering. I was a freshman in high school. I had only a vague idea what music therapy was, and even less of an idea of how or why it worked. I did not have a set of instructions telling me what to do or how to do it, and I was briefly taken aback when I was told that some of the students were nonverbal and used wheelchairs. I had never met anyone who was nonverbal, and I had had limited contact with wheelchair users. I realized that, just as I wanted to be treated normally, the students I would be helping would want the same thing. After briefly observing the group and noticing how the two music therapists assisted the students, I began to assist them myself. By the end of the day I felt more at ease, and I had aided several students in playing their instruments of choice. > > As I continued to help with the music program, I realized that I loved volunteering and looked forward to making music with the group members each month. A year into my volunteer work, I realized that music therapy interested me, and I planned to pursue it as a career. I was recognized with the agency's Paul Silverglade Youth Volunteer Award for my contributions to the youth services program. I was surprised, honored, and grateful to be given such an award, but at that point I knew I was doing service for purely intrinsic reasons. I was no longer after awards and accolades as payoffs for doing a good thing. The benefits I received as a volunteer were far more important than any plaque ever could be. I had found a career that excited me, as well as a passion for community service. I continued to volunteer at the monthly music groups for the rest of my high school career, and I still visit when I am home from college. > > The Impact of Service > > In spite of a hefty course load at the University of Dayton, I am still extremely interested in giving back to the community. I manage to juggle this interest along with my homework and classes through involvement in several campus organizations. Last year I volunteered with an after-school music program called the Edison Music Project at one of Dayton's inner-city elementary schools. I taught basic piano, clarinet, and percussion to fifth- and sixth-grade students. I joined the coed service fraternity Alpha Phi Omega, and I have participated in service projects including cleaning up trash around campus, ushering for the spring musical, and participating in a dance marathon to benefitt the Children's Miracle Network of Hospitals. As a member of the University of Dayton Music Therapy Club, I have provided musical enrichment to nursing home residents, teens with developmental disabilities, and patients at Dayton Children's Hospital. > > Last semester I participated in what was possibly the most powerful service event of the year. Along with the sisters of Sigma Alpha Iota, a professional women's music fraternity of which I am now a member, I went to a St. Vincent de Paul women's shelter to play for the residents. The women were deeply moved by the music; they laughed, cried, and were very appreciative of our performance. It was great to see that something as simple as music could change someone's day and make her so happy. > > Another powerful service project in which I participated as a member of the greater campus community was an annual program called Christmas on Campus. Interested University of Dayton students sign up to adopt a first- or second-grade child from one of Dayton's less privileged elementary schools. The students provide the children with a small Christmas gift and chaperone them as they enjoy a few hours of kid-friendly activities on campus. I really enjoyed spending time with the second grader I was paired with. I felt like I helped him have a good time right before the holidays. > > More recently I have been an active volunteer with the first Ohio BELL program. I hope to assist in other NFB programs in years to come. Each of these service projects has shown me the importance of giving back to the community and using my talents and skills to help others. > > Conclusion > > What does involvement in community service mean to you or to a student you know? Community service has several secondary benefits that are great for volunteers. On the extrinsic level, volunteering can assist students build résumés that are helpful in applying for jobs and scholarships. Students might even earn an award for their service. Aside from the socialization that comes from working as a member of a team and interacting with others, students who volunteer also have opportunities on the intrinsic level. They can gain empathy and compassion for others, improve their communication skills and confidence, and find a career they are passionate about pursuing. Unique to blind students are the opportunities to learn patience for answering questions related to blindness while actively demonstrating that blind people can lead independent lives and contribute to their communities. I believe this is probably the best way to educate the public on the true nature of blindness. > > However, it is important to bear in mind that service is not about building a résumé or looking good to a scholarship committee. It should not be done for the purposes of building social skills or as a means of searching for a vocation. Furthermore, the goal of doing service as a blind student should not be to educate the sighted public. Service is not about what is good for the volunteer, but what is good for the person or people the volunteer is seeking to help. Sometimes those extrinsic rewards will come along as the result of service, but when service is done for the right reasons those byproducts will be far more meaningful. I encourage all students to become active servant leaders in whatever ways they can and to strive to do so solely for the intrinsic value of helping others. I also encourage parents and teachers to help their students find ways to serve that utilize their unique talents and capabilities. Charles Dickens wrote, "No one is useless who lightens the burdens of another," and he was absolutely right. Blind students can serve just as effectively and with as much sincerity and compassion as their sighted peers. Whether the project is a large-scale mission trip to a foreign country or an hour of volunteering at a community food bank, the important thing is that it is being done. > > The National Federation of the Blind Community Service Group is currently working towards becoming a division. If you are interested in joining the group or aiding in the transition to division status, please contact Darian Smith for more details. You can reach him at dsmithnfb at gmail.com. > > Media Share > > > (back) (contents) (next) > > > Darian Smith > Chairperson, Community Service Group -National Federation of The Blind. > (415)215-9809 > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > “ > "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I know: the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who will have sought and found how to serve” > - Albert Schweitzer. > > Your unwanted vehicle can be just what the blind need to make possibilities reality. >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 16:08:03 2014 From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 11:08:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] PDF Conversion Problem-Solution! Message-ID: <000301cf25b1$1df8d6c0$59ea8440$@gmail.com> Hello all Using the app TapTapSee on my iPhone, holding approximately 6-7 inches away from a pad of paper I was able to recognize hand-written material. It's not really good for long files, but for reading annotations or footnotes it might suffice. Zachary Mason Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager Northwinds Farm (603) 922-8377 Work (603) 991-6747 Cell zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 806 U.S. Route 3 North Stratford, NH 03590 From cape.amanda at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 17:15:21 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:15:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships Message-ID: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> Hi guys, Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb personal scholarships?Amanda From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 17:27:32 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 10:27:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> Message-ID: No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United States upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. Citizen and want to apply, it would behoove you to state somewhere in your essay that you plan to stay in the United States. Basically, the NFB is making a financial investment in students who can eventually give back to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. Arielle On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: > > > Hi guys, > Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb personal > scholarships?Amanda > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From cape.amanda at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 18:08:20 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:08:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> Message-ID: But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in the states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? When is the deadline for the scholarship? Amanda On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: > No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United States > upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. Citizen and > want to apply, it would behoove you to state somewhere in your essay > that you plan to stay in the United States. Basically, the NFB is > making a financial investment in students who can eventually give back > to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. > > Arielle > > On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> Hi guys, >> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb personal >> scholarships?Amanda >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 18:12:27 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 10:12:27 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> Message-ID: The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: > > But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in the > states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? When is > the deadline for the scholarship? > Amanda > >> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United States >> upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. Citizen and >> want to apply, it would behoove you to state somewhere in your essay >> that you plan to stay in the United States. Basically, the NFB is >> making a financial investment in students who can eventually give back >> to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. >> >> Arielle >> >>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi guys, >>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb personal >>> scholarships?Amanda >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 18:19:07 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 11:19:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can apply if you are in the process of getting a green card or other means of staying permanently. The funds are meant for academic purposes so you can get your degree and then work in the U.S. Arielle On 2/9/14, Darian wrote: > The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. > The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. > The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. > > This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > >> On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >> >> But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in the >> states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? When is >> the deadline for the scholarship? >> Amanda >> >>> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United States >>> upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. Citizen and >>> want to apply, it would behoove you to state somewhere in your essay >>> that you plan to stay in the United States. Basically, the NFB is >>> making a financial investment in students who can eventually give back >>> to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi guys, >>>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb personal >>>> scholarships?Amanda >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From cape.amanda at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 18:20:34 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:20:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Darian, When do we find out if we have won the scholarship? Amanda > On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Darian wrote: > > The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. > The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. > The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. > > This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > >> On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >> >> But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in the >> states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? When is >> the deadline for the scholarship? >> Amanda >> >>> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United States >>> upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. Citizen and >>> want to apply, it would behoove you to state somewhere in your essay >>> that you plan to stay in the United States. Basically, the NFB is >>> making a financial investment in students who can eventually give back >>> to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi guys, >>>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb personal >>>> scholarships?Amanda >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 18:21:52 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 13:21:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3F19678F-974E-4C21-9DE3-0965B82268A3@gmail.com> But I go to school in Canada. Amanda > On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > You can apply if you are in the process of getting a green card or > other means of staying permanently. The funds are meant for academic > purposes so you can get your degree and then work in the U.S. > Arielle > >> On 2/9/14, Darian wrote: >> The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. >> The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. >> The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. >> >> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >> >>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>> >>> But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in the >>> states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? When is >>> the deadline for the scholarship? >>> Amanda >>> >>>> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United States >>>> upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. Citizen and >>>> want to apply, it would behoove you to state somewhere in your essay >>>> that you plan to stay in the United States. Basically, the NFB is >>>> making a financial investment in students who can eventually give back >>>> to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. >>>> >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi guys, >>>>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb personal >>>>> scholarships?Amanda >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com From matt.dierckens at me.com Sun Feb 9 19:52:36 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 14:52:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: <3F19678F-974E-4C21-9DE3-0965B82268A3@gmail.com> References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> <3F19678F-974E-4C21-9DE3-0965B82268A3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <41B139D2-73BB-4B1C-9423-2BA77A2F7C82@me.com> Then you wouldn't be applicable. The NFB scholarships arefor the US residents only. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 9, 2014, at 13:21, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: > > But I go to school in Canada. > > Amanda > >> On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> >> You can apply if you are in the process of getting a green card or >> other means of staying permanently. The funds are meant for academic >> purposes so you can get your degree and then work in the U.S. >> Arielle >> >>> On 2/9/14, Darian wrote: >>> The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. >>> The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. >>> The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. >>> >>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>> >>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>> >>>> But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in the >>>> states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? When is >>>> the deadline for the scholarship? >>>> Amanda >>>> >>>>> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United States >>>>> upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. Citizen and >>>>> want to apply, it would behoove you to state somewhere in your essay >>>>> that you plan to stay in the United States. Basically, the NFB is >>>>> making a financial investment in students who can eventually give back >>>>> to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. >>>>> >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb personal >>>>>> scholarships?Amanda >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 20:11:43 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:11:43 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: <41B139D2-73BB-4B1C-9423-2BA77A2F7C82@me.com> References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> <3F19678F-974E-4C21-9DE3-0965B82268A3@gmail.com> <41B139D2-73BB-4B1C-9423-2BA77A2F7C82@me.com> Message-ID: <31920D97-3E59-4429-AECA-FEFD0CCA377C@gmail.com> if you have the opportunity, I would ask your question on tonights call. On Feb 9, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > Then you wouldn't be applicable. The NFB scholarships arefor the US residents only. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 9, 2014, at 13:21, cape.amanda at gmail.comwrote: >> >> But I go to school in Canada. >> >> Amanda >> >>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> >>> You can apply if you are in the process of getting a green card or >>> other means of staying permanently. The funds are meant for academic >>> purposes so you can get your degree and then work in the U.S. >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/9/14, Darian wrote: >>>> The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. >>>> The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. >>>> The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. >>>> >>>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>>> >>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>> >>>>> But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in the >>>>> states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? When is >>>>> the deadline for the scholarship? >>>>> Amanda >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United States >>>>>> upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. Citizen and >>>>>> want to apply, it would behoove you to state somewhere in your essay >>>>>> that you plan to stay in the United States. Basically, the NFB is >>>>>> making a financial investment in students who can eventually give back >>>>>> to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> Arielle >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb personal >>>>>>> scholarships?Amanda >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 20:15:12 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:15:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: <31920D97-3E59-4429-AECA-FEFD0CCA377C@gmail.com> References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> <3F19678F-974E-4C21-9DE3-0965B82268A3@gmail.com> <41B139D2-73BB-4B1C-9423-2BA77A2F7C82@me.com> <31920D97-3E59-4429-AECA-FEFD0CCA377C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000801cf25d3$a3f4a480$ebdded80$@gmail.com> I am going to miss tonight's call; I'm working on a class project. Can it be recorded? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 3:12 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships if you have the opportunity, I would ask your question on tonights call. On Feb 9, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > Then you wouldn't be applicable. The NFB scholarships arefor the US residents only. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 9, 2014, at 13:21, cape.amanda at gmail.comwrote: >> >> But I go to school in Canada. >> >> Amanda >> >>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> >>> You can apply if you are in the process of getting a green card or >>> other means of staying permanently. The funds are meant for academic >>> purposes so you can get your degree and then work in the U.S. >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/9/14, Darian wrote: >>>> The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. >>>> The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. >>>> The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. >>>> >>>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>>> >>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>> >>>>> But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in >>>>> the states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? >>>>> When is the deadline for the scholarship? >>>>> Amanda >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United >>>>>> States upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. >>>>>> Citizen and want to apply, it would behoove you to state >>>>>> somewhere in your essay that you plan to stay in the United >>>>>> States. Basically, the NFB is making a financial investment in >>>>>> students who can eventually give back to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> Arielle >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb >>>>>>> personal scholarships?Amanda >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>> info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40 >>>>>>> gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%4 >>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gm >>>>> ail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gma >>>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gm >>> ail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40 >> me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail. > com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 20:22:45 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:22:45 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: <000801cf25d3$a3f4a480$ebdded80$@gmail.com> References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> <3F19678F-974E-4C21-9DE3-0965B82268A3@gmail.com> <41B139D2-73BB-4B1C-9423-2BA77A2F7C82@me.com> <31920D97-3E59-4429-AECA-FEFD0CCA377C@gmail.com> <000801cf25d3$a3f4a480$ebdded80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C8470C9-3FB0-4BB9-AFAE-02CEEF1E96E9@gmail.com> unfortunately it will not be recorded On Feb 9, 2014, at 12:15 PM, justin williams wrote: > I am going to miss tonight's call; I'm working on a class project. Can it > be recorded? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 3:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships > > if you have the opportunity, I would ask your question on tonights call. > On Feb 9, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Matthew Dierckens > wrote: > >> Then you wouldn't be applicable. The NFB scholarships arefor the US > residents only. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 13:21, cape.amanda at gmail.comwrote: >>> >>> But I go to school in Canada. >>> >>> Amanda >>> >>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Arielle Silverman > wrote: >>>> >>>> You can apply if you are in the process of getting a green card or >>>> other means of staying permanently. The funds are meant for academic >>>> purposes so you can get your degree and then work in the U.S. >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/9/14, Darian wrote: >>>>> The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. >>>>> The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. >>>>> The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. >>>>> >>>>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in >>>>>> the states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? >>>>>> When is the deadline for the scholarship? >>>>>> Amanda >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>>> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United >>>>>>> States upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. >>>>>>> Citizen and want to apply, it would behoove you to state >>>>>>> somewhere in your essay that you plan to stay in the United >>>>>>> States. Basically, the NFB is making a financial investment in >>>>>>> students who can eventually give back to an NFB affiliate somewhere > in the U.S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb >>>>>>>> personal scholarships?Amanda >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40 >>>>>>>> gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%4 >>>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gm >>>>>> ail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gm >>>> ail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40 >>> me.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail. >> com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 20:23:32 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:23:32 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder, Join NABS to talk about NFB scholarship program (tomorrow at 6ET). In-Reply-To: <112B743DD38D4862BEDEE21961CDA17E@Helga> References: <9CD8ABA1-F640-4384-BE50-FD8D6C3DCE12@gmail.com> <112B743DD38D4862BEDEE21961CDA17E@Helga> Message-ID: <49CFB7AA-7041-47F6-805A-25567A03036F@gmail.com> No, the call will not be recorded On Feb 8, 2014, at 8:09 PM, wrote: > Hi Mr. Darian, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, is this confference call meeting going to be recorded? I'm just wondering, just in case I wasn't abel to make it for some reason. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > > -----Original Message----- From: Darian Smith > Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 5:46 PM > To: Georgia Association of blind students ; Minnesota Association of blind students ; Kentucky Association of blind students ; Illinois Association of blind students ; Ctabs at nfbnet.org ; Michigan Association of blind students ; North Carolina Association of blind students ; Nebraska Association of blind students ; New Hampshire Association of blind students ; List for NABS State Presidents ; Missouri Association of Blind Students ; fabs at nfbnet.org ; cabs-talk blind students ; Colorado Association of Blind Students ; Massachusetts Association of blind students ; Texas Association of blind students ; Louisiana Association of blind students ; Maryland Association of blind students ; Ohio Association of blind students ; New Mexico Association of Blind Students ; Blind International Students Mailing List ; Alabama Association of blind students ; New Jersey Association of blind students ; Wisconsin Association of blind students ; New York Association of blind students ; Utah Association of blind students ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; West Virginia Association of blind students ; Tennessee Association of blind students ; Arizona Association of blind students > Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder,Join NABS to talk about NFB scholarship program (tomorrow at 6ET). > > Greetings all: > > > Each year the National Federation of the Blind awards thirty scholarships to deserving blind students at our national convention. > these people come from many different walks of life, have diverse backgrounds, aspirations and interests. > They come from all over the country and chances are you’ve probably met one of them. > well, on Sunday, you will find out how to be one of them! > > Join the National Association of Blind Students as we collaborate once again with our friend and fellow federationest Patti gregory-Chang. > As chair of the national scholarship committee, she’ll let you in on the secret to a successful scholarship application, so you won’t want to miss it! > > When: Sunday, February 9, 2014 at 6:00 P.M. Eastern > Where?: conference line: (605) 475-6700. Code: 786-9673. > Talk to you then! > The membership committee of the National Association of Blind Students. > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 20:26:02 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:26:02 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: <000801cf25d3$a3f4a480$ebdded80$@gmail.com> References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> <3F19678F-974E-4C21-9DE3-0965B82268A3@gmail.com> <41B139D2-73BB-4B1C-9423-2BA77A2F7C82@me.com> <31920D97-3E59-4429-AECA-FEFD0CCA377C@gmail.com> <000801cf25d3$a3f4a480$ebdded80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56599250-2CCB-43FE-8C6F-2B50BBCBEB6C@gmail.com> here is a great resource if you can’t make the call: https://nfb.org/scholarships On Feb 9, 2014, at 12:15 PM, justin williams wrote: > I am going to miss tonight's call; I'm working on a class project. Can it > be recorded? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 3:12 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships > > if you have the opportunity, I would ask your question on tonights call. > On Feb 9, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Matthew Dierckens > wrote: > >> Then you wouldn't be applicable. The NFB scholarships arefor the US > residents only. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 13:21, cape.amanda at gmail.comwrote: >>> >>> But I go to school in Canada. >>> >>> Amanda >>> >>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Arielle Silverman > wrote: >>>> >>>> You can apply if you are in the process of getting a green card or >>>> other means of staying permanently. The funds are meant for academic >>>> purposes so you can get your degree and then work in the U.S. >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/9/14, Darian wrote: >>>>> The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. >>>>> The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. >>>>> The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. >>>>> >>>>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in >>>>>> the states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? >>>>>> When is the deadline for the scholarship? >>>>>> Amanda >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>>> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United >>>>>>> States upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. >>>>>>> Citizen and want to apply, it would behoove you to state >>>>>>> somewhere in your essay that you plan to stay in the United >>>>>>> States. Basically, the NFB is making a financial investment in >>>>>>> students who can eventually give back to an NFB affiliate somewhere > in the U.S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb >>>>>>>> personal scholarships?Amanda >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40 >>>>>>>> gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%4 >>>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gm >>>>>> ail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gm >>>> ail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40 >>> me.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail. >> com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students (415) 215-9809 dsmithnfb at gmail.com. twitter: @goldengateace www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink. “ A good Head and a good heart are always a formidable combination” - Nelson Mandela. > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From cape.amanda at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 20:48:24 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:48:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: <2C8470C9-3FB0-4BB9-AFAE-02CEEF1E96E9@gmail.com> References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> <3F19678F-974E-4C21-9DE3-0965B82268A3@gmail.com> <41B139D2-73BB-4B1C-9423-2BA77A2F7C82@me.com> <31920D97-3E59-4429-AECA-FEFD0CCA377C@gmail.com> <000801cf25d3$a3f4a480$ebdded80$@gmail.com> <2C8470C9-3FB0-4BB9-AFAE-02CEEF1E96E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Can someone ask my question? I cannot make the call. Amanda On 2/9/14, Darian Smith wrote: > unfortunately it will not be recorded > > On Feb 9, 2014, at 12:15 PM, justin williams > wrote: > >> I am going to miss tonight's call; I'm working on a class project. Can >> it >> be recorded? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith >> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 3:12 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships >> >> if you have the opportunity, I would ask your question on tonights call. >> On Feb 9, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Matthew Dierckens >> wrote: >> >>> Then you wouldn't be applicable. The NFB scholarships arefor the US >> residents only. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 13:21, cape.amanda at gmail.comwrote: >>>> >>>> But I go to school in Canada. >>>> >>>> Amanda >>>> >>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Arielle Silverman >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You can apply if you are in the process of getting a green card or >>>>> other means of staying permanently. The funds are meant for academic >>>>> purposes so you can get your degree and then work in the U.S. >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/9/14, Darian wrote: >>>>>> The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. >>>>>> The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. >>>>>> The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. >>>>>> >>>>>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in >>>>>>> the states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? >>>>>>> When is the deadline for the scholarship? >>>>>>> Amanda >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>>>> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United >>>>>>>> States upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. >>>>>>>> Citizen and want to apply, it would behoove you to state >>>>>>>> somewhere in your essay that you plan to stay in the United >>>>>>>> States. Basically, the NFB is making a financial investment in >>>>>>>> students who can eventually give back to an NFB affiliate somewhere >> in the U.S. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb >>>>>>>>> personal scholarships?Amanda >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40 >>>>>>>>> gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%4 >>>>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gm >>>>>>> ail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gm >>>>> ail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40 >>>> me.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail. >>> com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Feb 9 20:54:52 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:54:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille music In-Reply-To: <52f79744.64c5440a.6a02.ffffba73@mx.google.com> References: <52f79744.64c5440a.6a02.ffffba73@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Marisa, Well, then I'm glad your parents did not say that. To clarify, there is a main number for NLS in DC. I'll look for it and post it later. As Kaiti said, this holds the main music section and you can call it to get music scores and sign up for music magazines. All music is also available on BARD, the electronic library site. However, you indicated you have no braille display working, so this is not a good idea; but for the future, you can get a free BARD account and sign up for music magazines and get music sheet music from it. However, what I'm saying is you generally call your local network library for book requests such as talking books and magazines. It is based on where you live, so this is why I'm saying we cannot give you your cooperating library number without knowing where you live. The main NLS may connect you to your library; I'm not sure. But I'd think your parents would have this number as they should be the ones who signed you up for NLS. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 9:56 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille music They are not the ones who said that a minor could not call. It was someone else, who obviously had no clue. I thought there was just a number to call and it would put me through to nls? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Allright, I'll try to call tomorrow or something. But I'll be at a friends house, so is there a way to find the number in a book or something? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: It doesn't. I have tried everything. Exersising the display included. Nothing works. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roanna Baccchus References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43EA18CE635C447D98F21E7D1B31E3E6@OwnerPC> Amanda, you'd have to apply. The scholarships are not for your personal use. Read the requirements. They are for your college tuition. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Amanda Cape Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 1:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in the states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? When is the deadline for the scholarship? Amanda On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: > No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United States > upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. Citizen and > want to apply, it would behoove you to state somewhere in your essay > that you plan to stay in the United States. Basically, the NFB is > making a financial investment in students who can eventually give back > to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. > > Arielle > > On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> Hi guys, >> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb personal >> scholarships?Amanda >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Feb 9 20:58:05 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 15:58:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: <3F19678F-974E-4C21-9DE3-0965B82268A3@gmail.com> References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> <3F19678F-974E-4C21-9DE3-0965B82268A3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0DF49EE4BF934B45920A5928F7BB981F@OwnerPC> Hi, I don't think you can use it then. All scholarships they award are for US schools. -----Original Message----- From: cape.amanda at gmail.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 1:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships But I go to school in Canada. Amanda > On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > You can apply if you are in the process of getting a green card or > other means of staying permanently. The funds are meant for academic > purposes so you can get your degree and then work in the U.S. > Arielle > >> On 2/9/14, Darian wrote: >> The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. >> The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. >> The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. >> >> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >> >>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>> >>> But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in the >>> states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? When is >>> the deadline for the scholarship? >>> Amanda >>> >>>> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United States >>>> upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. Citizen and >>>> want to apply, it would behoove you to state somewhere in your essay >>>> that you plan to stay in the United States. Basically, the NFB is >>>> making a financial investment in students who can eventually give back >>>> to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. >>>> >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi guys, >>>>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb >>>>> personal >>>>> scholarships?Amanda >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 21:11:45 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 14:11:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: <0DF49EE4BF934B45920A5928F7BB981F@OwnerPC> References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> <3F19678F-974E-4C21-9DE3-0965B82268A3@gmail.com> <0DF49EE4BF934B45920A5928F7BB981F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: In order to be eligible for an NFB scholarship, a student has to be attending a school in the United States, regardless of citizenship status. The Canadian Federation of the Blind may have an analogous scholarship program for Canadian residents. Arielle On 2/9/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi, > I don't think you can use it then. All scholarships they award are for US > schools. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cape.amanda at gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 1:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships > > But I go to school in Canada. > > Amanda > >> On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Arielle Silverman >> wrote: >> >> You can apply if you are in the process of getting a green card or >> other means of staying permanently. The funds are meant for academic >> purposes so you can get your degree and then work in the U.S. >> Arielle >> >>> On 2/9/14, Darian wrote: >>> The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. >>> The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. >>> The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. >>> >>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>> >>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>> >>>> But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in the >>>> states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? When is >>>> the deadline for the scholarship? >>>> Amanda >>>> >>>>> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United States >>>>> upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. Citizen and >>>>> want to apply, it would behoove you to state somewhere in your essay >>>>> that you plan to stay in the United States. Basically, the NFB is >>>>> making a financial investment in students who can eventually give back >>>>> to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. >>>>> >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb >>>>>> personal >>>>>> scholarships?Amanda >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From cape.amanda at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 21:59:00 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 16:59:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> <3F19678F-974E-4C21-9DE3-0965B82268A3@gmail.com> <0DF49EE4BF934B45920A5928F7BB981F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4CC7CBC2-CD22-4029-B98B-99DF66A96637@gmail.com> Okay, thanks. Amanda > On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > In order to be eligible for an NFB scholarship, a student has to be > attending a school in the United States, regardless of citizenship > status. The Canadian Federation of the Blind may have an analogous > scholarship program for Canadian residents. > > Arielle > >> On 2/9/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi, >> I don't think you can use it then. All scholarships they award are for US >> schools. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cape.amanda at gmail.com >> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 1:21 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships >> >> But I go to school in Canada. >> >> Amanda >> >>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Arielle Silverman >>> wrote: >>> >>> You can apply if you are in the process of getting a green card or >>> other means of staying permanently. The funds are meant for academic >>> purposes so you can get your degree and then work in the U.S. >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/9/14, Darian wrote: >>>> The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. >>>> The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. >>>> The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. >>>> >>>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>>> >>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>> >>>>> But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in the >>>>> states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? When is >>>>> the deadline for the scholarship? >>>>> Amanda >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United States >>>>>> upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. Citizen and >>>>>> want to apply, it would behoove you to state somewhere in your essay >>>>>> that you plan to stay in the United States. Basically, the NFB is >>>>>> making a financial investment in students who can eventually give back >>>>>> to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. >>>>>> >>>>>> Arielle >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb >>>>>>> personal >>>>>>> scholarships?Amanda >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 22:55:37 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 17:55:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships In-Reply-To: <4CC7CBC2-CD22-4029-B98B-99DF66A96637@gmail.com> References: <7A13A382-A584-4CC0-9525-7B4EFE81BD39@gmail.com> <3F19678F-974E-4C21-9DE3-0965B82268A3@gmail.com> <0DF49EE4BF934B45920A5928F7BB981F@OwnerPC> <4CC7CBC2-CD22-4029-B98B-99DF66A96637@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Amanda and all, I know Arielle directed Amanda to check the Canadian Federation of the Blind for scholarship materials available for Canadian residents, but Amanda did ask a very good question that others may also have so I will answer it. The scholarship committee typically meets at the end of April to review the applications and choose the 30 winners for that year, then they notify the winners by telephone and make sure that they do indeed follow the 4 guidelines of eligibility which include being legally blind in both eyes, and attend or are planning to attend a college in the United States. If that winner is eligible to receive an award then they can continue in the scholarship program. Once all 30 winners have been notified and confirmed that they are eligible to receive a scholarship, the NFB releases the list of names as a press release. This typically happens within the first week or 2 of May. If you were not notified by the time you see the list, then you were not selected as a scholarship winner for that year. I hope that clears things up, and that the Canadian Federation has a similar program, Amanda. I would also advise anyone to not be discouraged if you are not picked to receive a scholarship the first time or two that you apply; I was not picked the first time I applied, as are many who are in the scholarship program and go on to do great things professionally and in the federation. On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: > Okay, thanks. > > Amanda > >> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Arielle Silverman >> wrote: >> >> In order to be eligible for an NFB scholarship, a student has to be >> attending a school in the United States, regardless of citizenship >> status. The Canadian Federation of the Blind may have an analogous >> scholarship program for Canadian residents. >> >> Arielle >> >>> On 2/9/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I don't think you can use it then. All scholarships they award are for >>> US >>> schools. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: cape.amanda at gmail.com >>> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 1:21 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Nfb scholarships >>> >>> But I go to school in Canada. >>> >>> Amanda >>> >>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Arielle Silverman >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> You can apply if you are in the process of getting a green card or >>>> other means of staying permanently. The funds are meant for academic >>>> purposes so you can get your degree and then work in the U.S. >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/9/14, Darian wrote: >>>>> The scholarships are for used towards academic expenses. >>>>> The idea is that they will help you obtain your degree of choice. >>>>> The scholarship deadline is typically the end of March. >>>>> >>>>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Amanda Cape >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> But aren't the scholarships for personal use? How would I stay in the >>>>>> states without getting a green card or someone to sponsor me? When is >>>>>> the deadline for the scholarship? >>>>>> Amanda >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/9/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>>> No. But one does have to be committed to stay in the United States >>>>>>> upon receiving the college degree. If you aren't a U.S. Citizen and >>>>>>> want to apply, it would behoove you to state somewhere in your essay >>>>>>> that you plan to stay in the United States. Basically, the NFB is >>>>>>> making a financial investment in students who can eventually give >>>>>>> back >>>>>>> to an NFB affiliate somewhere in the U.S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/9/14, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>> Does one have to be a us citizen in order to apply for the nfb >>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>> scholarships?Amanda >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 23:02:04 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 18:02:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes Movie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't believe it is on youtube, or at least not from what I could tell by searching it. Why not go to a video store or library and borrow a DVD? On 2/9/14, Kirt wrote: > Why not just search on YouTube? Either it's there, or it isn't, but I would > think there's only one way to find out...:-) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 8, 2014, at 11:16 PM, wrote: >> >> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any >> of you here have the youtube link of Lorenzo's Oil and Peroxisomes movie? >> I'm just wondering, since I would like to watch it this weekend with my >> family, since we never watched it before! I will really appreciate it a >> lot!, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks >> so much and God bless!! >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Feb 10 00:42:27 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 16:42:27 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} From a Requirement to a Desire: In-Reply-To: <5BE04930-7CA7-4624-8C74-C3BF2FB77714@icloud.com> References: <6D7979FF-C075-41BF-9E9A-60230EA66E45@gmail.com> <5BE04930-7CA7-4624-8C74-C3BF2FB77714@icloud.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140209162852.01e1f238@comcast.net> Good afternoon, Darian, and everyone, Good article about giving of oneself however, another means of achieving this, I have found, is not necessarily through outfits whose mission it is to sort of disseminate time and particular tasks of a donor to those that are believed to be in "need. " From how I see it, what they call "need" is spontanious, playing out in all places, at all times. to give of yourself during moments of spontaneity, hugging someone on the street, or listening when someone opens up on transit or at a bus stop, any spaces in which people tend toward coexistence and human interaction. for today, Car 408-209-3239 wrote: >Thanks for sharing! My parents got me into >Future Reflections, and I found the speech very >meaningful! Sent from my iPad On Feb 9, 2014, at >9:37 AM, Darian Smith >wrote: > Good morning, > > last year i had the >privilege of meeting a young lady from Ohio. She >contacted me to express interest in serving as >a part of the community service group project >that was to help out with the book fare at the >2013 national Convention, and to speak at our >annual seminar. > Though she went on to win a >national scholarship, she was still gracious >enough to attend the seminar and give a great >speech that ultimately ended up in “ future >reflections” which is the official publication >of our parents division. Today kaiti Shelton >serves as a leader in our Ohio affiliate as >president of it’s student division and chairs >the convention service project committee (CSP) >of the community service group. > below you will >find the article. I hope you find it as >enjoyable as I have. > > > Future >Reflections Summer 2013 > > (back) >(contents) (next) > > From a Requirement to a >Desire: > Why Service is Important > > by Kaiti >Shelton > > From the Editor: This article is >based on a speech Kaiti Shelton delivered to the >Community Service Group at the 2013 NFB national >convention in Orlando. Kaiti is a sophomore at >the University of Dayton in Ohio, and she was >awarded a 2013 NFB National Scholarship. > > >When I was in kindergarten, my mother enrolled >me in Girl Scouts. For the next seven years I >spent much of my free time camping, hiking, and >working to earn badges with my friends. Along >the way my troop also did small things to give >back to the community in which we lived. I >remember planting flower bulbs and pulling weeds >outside my elementary school, helping to >decorate the display case in the school commons >area, and working at an event to benefit St. >Jude's Research Hospital. The event, called the >Mathathon, is similar to the American Cancer >Society's Relay for Life. > > Back then I didn't >really understand why my friends and I were >doing these things. As I handed out water >bottles to runners at the Mathathon, a part of >me couldn't help but wonder, "When is this thing >going to be over so I can go play?" Even when I >ran my two laps around the school's baseball >field to complete my work in the Mathathon, I >wondered when I could stop running; I was tired, >hot, and thirsty. I knew that what I was doing >was nice, and that it was good to help people, >but I didn't understand the intrinsic value of >service. Whenever I did something, I expected an >award in acknowledgement of my actions. > > That >all changed when I joined my high school's >Student Senate as an advisory representative. >One of the requirements for maintaining >membership in the Student Senate was the >completion of fifteen hours of community service >per semester. A lot of the activities Student >Senate offered for members to earn service hours >involved making the school look nice in some >way. Major events included decorating the gym >for dances and painting festive pictures and >sayings on the cafeteria windows each month to >celebrate holidays or special events. > > While >I probably could have participated in these >activities to an extent, I didn't think I would >be able to give back as much as I wanted to. I >didn't want to sit in a corner idly waiting for >something else to do while my classmates >performed visual tasks. I realized that if I was >truly going to give back, I would have to create >opportunities for service that would align with >my strengths and afford me a real chance to help >to the best of my abilities. > > My mother >played a major role in helping me get started. >First she agreed to let me help her with a >project she had been working on for years. An >advocate of Braille literacy herself, my mom >wanted to create a Braille book lending library >for the Sightless Children's Club, a nonprofit >organization in Ohio that seeks to provide >assistive technology to legally blind students. >While my mom kept track of the donated books and >made a list of titles, authors, genres, and >grade levels, I made Braille labels to stick on >the spine of each book for quick browsing on the >shelves. The books were then packed into boxes >and taken to the club's location, where they >have since been stored in a library room of >considerable size. > > Once the library project >was complete, my mom suggested that I capitalize >on my love of music and my knack for working >with kids. As a child I had attended music >programs at the Cincinnati Association for the >Blind and Visually Impaired. My mom thought I >might love to give back to that program. I took >her suggestion, completed volunteer training, >and began volunteering at monthly music groups >that winter. > > A Passion for Service > > I did >not quite know what to expect when I showed up >for my first day of volunteering. I was a >freshman in high school. I had only a vague idea >what music therapy was, and even less of an idea >of how or why it worked. I did not have a set of >instructions telling me what to do or how to do >it, and I was briefly taken aback when I was >told that some of the students were nonverbal >and used wheelchairs. I had never met anyone who >was nonverbal, and I had had limited contact >with wheelchair users. I realized that, just as >I wanted to be treated normally, the students I >would be helping would want the same thing. >After briefly observing the group and noticing >how the two music therapists assisted the >students, I began to assist them myself. By the >end of the day I felt more at ease, and I had >aided several students in playing their >instruments of choice. > > As I continued to >help with the music program, I realized that I >loved volunteering and looked forward to making >music with the group members each month. A year >into my volunteer work, I realized that music >therapy interested me, and I planned to pursue >it as a career. I was recognized with the >agency's Paul Silverglade Youth Volunteer Award >for my contributions to the youth services >program. I was surprised, honored, and grateful >to be given such an award, but at that point I >knew I was doing service for purely intrinsic >reasons. I was no longer after awards and >accolades as payoffs for doing a good thing. The >benefits I received as a volunteer were far more >important than any plaque ever could be. I had >found a career that excited me, as well as a >passion for community service. I continued to >volunteer at the monthly music groups for the >rest of my high school career, and I still visit >when I am home from college. > > The Impact of >Service > > In spite of a hefty course load at >the University of Dayton, I am still extremely >interested in giving back to the community. I >manage to juggle this interest along with my >homework and classes through involvement in >several campus organizations. Last year I >volunteered with an after-school music program >called the Edison Music Project at one of >Dayton's inner-city elementary schools. I taught >basic piano, clarinet, and percussion to fifth- >and sixth-grade students. I joined the coed >service fraternity Alpha Phi Omega, and I have >participated in service projects including >cleaning up trash around campus, ushering for >the spring musical, and participating in a dance >marathon to benefitt the Children's Miracle >Network of Hospitals. As a member of the >University of Dayton Music Therapy Club, I have >provided musical enrichment to nursing home >residents, teens with developmental >disabilities, and patients at Dayton Children's >Hospital. > > Last semester I participated in >what was possibly the most powerful service >event of the year. Along with the sisters of >Sigma Alpha Iota, a professional women's music >fraternity of which I am now a member, I went to >a St. Vincent de Paul women's shelter to play >for the residents. The women were deeply moved >by the music; they laughed, cried, and were very >appreciative of our performance. It was great to >see that something as simple as music could >change someone's day and make her so happy. > > >Another powerful service project in which I >participated as a member of the greater campus >community was an annual program called Christmas >on Campus. Interested University of Dayton >students sign up to adopt a first- or >second-grade child from one of Dayton's less >privileged elementary schools. The students >provide the children with a small Christmas gift >and chaperone them as they enjoy a few hours of >kid-friendly activities on campus. I really >enjoyed spending time with the second grader I >was paired with. I felt like I helped him have a >good time right before the holidays. > > More >recently I have been an active volunteer with >the first Ohio BELL program. I hope to assist in >other NFB programs in years to come. Each of >these service projects has shown me the >importance of giving back to the community and >using my talents and skills to help others. > > >Conclusion > > What does involvement in >community service mean to you or to a student >you know? Community service has several >secondary benefits that are great for >volunteers. On the extrinsic level, volunteering >can assist students build résumés that are >helpful in applying for jobs and scholarships. >Students might even earn an award for their >service. Aside from the socialization that comes >from working as a member of a team and >interacting with others, students who volunteer >also have opportunities on the intrinsic level. >They can gain empathy and compassion for others, >improve their communication skills and >confidence, and find a career they are >passionate about pursuing. Unique to blind >students are the opportunities to learn patience >for answering questions related to blindness >while actively demonstrating that blind people >can lead independent lives and contribute to >their communities. I believe this is probably >the best way to educate the public on the true >nature of blindness. > > However, it is >important to bear in mind that service is not >about building a résumé or looking good to a >scholarship committee. It should not be done for >the purposes of building social skills or as a >means of searching for a vocation. Furthermore, >the goal of doing service as a blind student >should not be to educate the sighted public. >Service is not about what is good for the >volunteer, but what is good for the person or >people the volunteer is seeking to help. >Sometimes those extrinsic rewards will come >along as the result of service, but when service >is done for the right reasons those byproducts >will be far more meaningful. I encourage all >students to become active servant leaders in >whatever ways they can and to strive to do so >solely for the intrinsic value of helping >others. I also encourage parents and teachers to >help their students find ways to serve that >utilize their unique talents and capabilities. >Charles Dickens wrote, "No one is useless who >lightens the burdens of another," and he was >absolutely right. Blind students can serve just >as effectively and with as much sincerity and >compassion as their sighted peers. Whether the >project is a large-scale mission trip to a >foreign country or an hour of volunteering at a >community food bank, the important thing is that >it is being done. > > The National Federation of >the Blind Community Service Group is currently >working towards becoming a division. If you are >interested in joining the group or aiding in the >transition to division status, please contact >Darian Smith for more details. You can reach him >at dsmithnfb at gmail.com. > > Media Share > > > >(back) (contents) (next) > > > Darian Smith > >Chairperson, Community Service Group -National >Federation of The Blind. > (415)215-9809 > >dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > “ > "I don't know what >your destiny will be, but one thing I know: the >only ones among you who will be really happy are >those who will have sought and found how to >serve” > - Albert Schweitzer. > > >Your unwanted vehicle can be just what the >blind need to make possibilities reality. >> >Donate your car to the National Federation of >the Blind today! >> For more information, please >visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call >1-855-659-9314 > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From lilliepennington at fuse.net Mon Feb 10 02:04:33 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 21:04:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Re- Nfb Training Centers In-Reply-To: <52f14465.24a4ec0a.5142.46ba@mx.google.com> References: <52f14465.24a4ec0a.5142.46ba@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6531DC52-63A4-43A1-B505-724315DAA0D7@fuse.net> Thank you for sending this. It was really interesting. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > > Dear Nabs Members, > > I hope you are all doing well. I've been reading the posts about the Nfb training centers and have decided to post my thoughts on this interesting topic. Kelsey, I think it is a great idea to attend an Nfb training center. Attached is a response to an email that I received last Summer. It describes what a typical day is like at an Nfb training center. I hope this information is useful to you all. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From lilliepennington at fuse.net Mon Feb 10 03:07:47 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 22:07:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] a college/career question In-Reply-To: References: <00ba01cf1bda$2119c070$634d4150$@net> Message-ID: Thanks so much for all of this information. I will keep all of this in mind. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2014, at 7:12 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > > Hi Lillie and all, > > I would highly recommend that you find some way to intigrate bioethics > studies into the majors if it is offered at the college you end up > choosing at all. I know some colleges don't have very extensive > philosophy departments or may not offer this course, but it will > really be beneficial for you if you're going for this combination. I > am taking a bioethics class this semester, and it's very interesting > stuff. It really makes you consider a variety of medical issues from > really complex angles at times. > > Also, something else to consider; if you're looking to get a masters > degree in addition to the undergraduate degrees you described, try > looking into what Child Life Specialists do. I'm not quite sure if > you're specifically wanting to work with kids, but basically Child > Life Specialists coordinate all the treatment and therapies child > patients receive, while striving to make sure that the child feels as > normal and comfortable as possible while they are in the hospital. > They have to be very understanding of the psychological and > sociological issues concerning hospitalization for children, and it > sounds like it might be what you're going for. > >> On 1/31/14, Elizabeth Mohnke wrote: >> Hello Lillie, >> >> I am slowly working towards an Associates degree in sociology and political >> >> science. I would be more than willing to answer any questions regarding my >> sociology classes off list. One of the more interesting classes I have taken >> >> for this degree is a class on medical anthropology. I think pairing up a >> degree in health sciences with a degree in social sciences would be a good >> combination if you are looking to receive a full understanding of health >> issues. >> >> Elizabeth >> for a full understanding of health issues. >> I hope this information helps you >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Lillie Pennington" >> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:36 PM >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] a college/career question >> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> >>> >>> I was looking up some information for a completely unrelated information >>> on >>> google and stumbled on a description of the health science major offered >>> at >>> some colleges. I read this description and became interested in possibly >>> pursuing this idea further after some thought. >>> >>> I am pondering doing a double major in health science and sociology. I >>> need >>> to look into the sociology further, but it seems that understanding >>> society >>> and related fields will be important, and this field seems interesting to >>> me. Plus, doing a double major is something I have been strongly >>> interested >>> in. I am pondering going for minors in at least psychology. After this, I >>> >>> am >>> thinking of getting a masters in nursing so I can teach/do administrative >>> work/do another sort of nursing career. So. Has anyone studied one/both >>> of >>> these majors, and has anyone done a masters in nursing? I will look on >>> the >>> national organization of nurses with disabilities website to find out >>> more >>> information in the meantime. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Lillie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Mon Feb 10 13:07:20 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 07:07:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} From a Requirement to a Desire: In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140209162852.01e1f238@comcast.net> References: <6D7979FF-C075-41BF-9E9A-60230EA66E45@gmail.com> <5BE04930-7CA7-4624-8C74-C3BF2FB77714@icloud.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140209162852.01e1f238@comcast.net> Message-ID: This is fantastic! It's such an inspirational story. Kaiti, you write with such touching eloquence. Great job! Darian, thanks for sharing this. Ryan On 2/9/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good afternoon, Darian, and everyone, > > Good article about giving of oneself > however, another means of achieving this, I have > found, is not necessarily through outfits whose > mission it is to sort of disseminate time and > particular tasks of a donor to those that are believed to be > in "need. > " From how I see it, what they call "need" is > spontanious, playing out in all places, at all > times. to give of yourself during moments of > spontaneity, hugging someone on the street, or > listening when someone opens up on transit or at > a bus stop, any spaces in which people tend > toward coexistence and human interaction. > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > wrote: >>Thanks for sharing! My parents got me into >>Future Reflections, and I found the speech very >>meaningful! Sent from my iPad On Feb 9, 2014, at >>9:37 AM, Darian Smith >>wrote: > Good morning, > > last year i had the >>privilege of meeting a young lady from Ohio. She >>contacted me to express interest in serving as >>a part of the community service group project >>that was to help out with the book fare at the >>2013 national Convention, and to speak at our >>annual seminar. > Though she went on to win a >>national scholarship, she was still gracious >>enough to attend the seminar and give a great >>speech that ultimately ended up in â EURO oe future >>reflectionsâ EURO which is the official publication >>of our parents division. Today kaiti Shelton >>serves as a leader in our Ohio affiliate as >>president of itâ EURO (tm)s student division and chairs >>the convention service project committee (CSP) >>of the community service group. > below you will >>find the article. I hope you find it as >>enjoyable as I have. > > > Future >>Reflections Summer 2013 > > (back) >>(contents) (next) > > From a Requirement to a >>Desire: > Why Service is Important > > by Kaiti >>Shelton > > From the Editor: This article is >>based on a speech Kaiti Shelton delivered to the >>Community Service Group at the 2013 NFB national >>convention in Orlando. Kaiti is a sophomore at >>the University of Dayton in Ohio, and she was >>awarded a 2013 NFB National Scholarship. > > >>When I was in kindergarten, my mother enrolled >>me in Girl Scouts. For the next seven years I >>spent much of my free time camping, hiking, and >>working to earn badges with my friends. Along >>the way my troop also did small things to give >>back to the community in which we lived. I >>remember planting flower bulbs and pulling weeds >>outside my elementary school, helping to >>decorate the display case in the school commons >>area, and working at an event to benefit St. >>Jude's Research Hospital. The event, called the >>Mathathon, is similar to the American Cancer >>Society's Relay for Life. > > Back then I didn't >>really understand why my friends and I were >>doing these things. As I handed out water >>bottles to runners at the Mathathon, a part of >>me couldn't help but wonder, "When is this thing >>going to be over so I can go play?" Even when I >>ran my two laps around the school's baseball >>field to complete my work in the Mathathon, I >>wondered when I could stop running; I was tired, >>hot, and thirsty. I knew that what I was doing >>was nice, and that it was good to help people, >>but I didn't understand the intrinsic value of >>service. Whenever I did something, I expected an >>award in acknowledgement of my actions. > > That >>all changed when I joined my high school's >>Student Senate as an advisory representative. >>One of the requirements for maintaining >>membership in the Student Senate was the >>completion of fifteen hours of community service >>per semester. A lot of the activities Student >>Senate offered for members to earn service hours >>involved making the school look nice in some >>way. Major events included decorating the gym >>for dances and painting festive pictures and >>sayings on the cafeteria windows each month to >>celebrate holidays or special events. > > While >>I probably could have participated in these >>activities to an extent, I didn't think I would >>be able to give back as much as I wanted to. I >>didn't want to sit in a corner idly waiting for >>something else to do while my classmates >>performed visual tasks. I realized that if I was >>truly going to give back, I would have to create >>opportunities for service that would align with >>my strengths and afford me a real chance to help >>to the best of my abilities. > > My mother >>played a major role in helping me get started. >>First she agreed to let me help her with a >>project she had been working on for years. An >>advocate of Braille literacy herself, my mom >>wanted to create a Braille book lending library >>for the Sightless Children's Club, a nonprofit >>organization in Ohio that seeks to provide >>assistive technology to legally blind students. >>While my mom kept track of the donated books and >>made a list of titles, authors, genres, and >>grade levels, I made Braille labels to stick on >>the spine of each book for quick browsing on the >>shelves. The books were then packed into boxes >>and taken to the club's location, where they >>have since been stored in a library room of >>considerable size. > > Once the library project >>was complete, my mom suggested that I capitalize >>on my love of music and my knack for working >>with kids. As a child I had attended music >>programs at the Cincinnati Association for the >>Blind and Visually Impaired. My mom thought I >>might love to give back to that program. I took >>her suggestion, completed volunteer training, >>and began volunteering at monthly music groups >>that winter. > > A Passion for Service > > I did >>not quite know what to expect when I showed up >>for my first day of volunteering. I was a >>freshman in high school. I had only a vague idea >>what music therapy was, and even less of an idea >>of how or why it worked. I did not have a set of >>instructions telling me what to do or how to do >>it, and I was briefly taken aback when I was >>told that some of the students were nonverbal >>and used wheelchairs. I had never met anyone who >>was nonverbal, and I had had limited contact >>with wheelchair users. I realized that, just as >>I wanted to be treated normally, the students I >>would be helping would want the same thing. >>After briefly observing the group and noticing >>how the two music therapists assisted the >>students, I began to assist them myself. By the >>end of the day I felt more at ease, and I had >>aided several students in playing their >>instruments of choice. > > As I continued to >>help with the music program, I realized that I >>loved volunteering and looked forward to making >>music with the group members each month. A year >>into my volunteer work, I realized that music >>therapy interested me, and I planned to pursue >>it as a career. I was recognized with the >>agency's Paul Silverglade Youth Volunteer Award >>for my contributions to the youth services >>program. I was surprised, honored, and grateful >>to be given such an award, but at that point I >>knew I was doing service for purely intrinsic >>reasons. I was no longer after awards and >>accolades as payoffs for doing a good thing. The >>benefits I received as a volunteer were far more >>important than any plaque ever could be. I had >>found a career that excited me, as well as a >>passion for community service. I continued to >>volunteer at the monthly music groups for the >>rest of my high school career, and I still visit >>when I am home from college. > > The Impact of >>Service > > In spite of a hefty course load at >>the University of Dayton, I am still extremely >>interested in giving back to the community. I >>manage to juggle this interest along with my >>homework and classes through involvement in >>several campus organizations. Last year I >>volunteered with an after-school music program >>called the Edison Music Project at one of >>Dayton's inner-city elementary schools. I taught >>basic piano, clarinet, and percussion to fifth- >>and sixth-grade students. I joined the coed >>service fraternity Alpha Phi Omega, and I have >>participated in service projects including >>cleaning up trash around campus, ushering for >>the spring musical, and participating in a dance >>marathon to benefitt the Children's Miracle >>Network of Hospitals. As a member of the >>University of Dayton Music Therapy Club, I have >>provided musical enrichment to nursing home >>residents, teens with developmental >>disabilities, and patients at Dayton Children's >>Hospital. > > Last semester I participated in >>what was possibly the most powerful service >>event of the year. Along with the sisters of >>Sigma Alpha Iota, a professional women's music >>fraternity of which I am now a member, I went to >>a St. Vincent de Paul women's shelter to play >>for the residents. The women were deeply moved >>by the music; they laughed, cried, and were very >>appreciative of our performance. It was great to >>see that something as simple as music could >>change someone's day and make her so happy. > > >>Another powerful service project in which I >>participated as a member of the greater campus >>community was an annual program called Christmas >>on Campus. Interested University of Dayton >>students sign up to adopt a first- or >>second-grade child from one of Dayton's less >>privileged elementary schools. The students >>provide the children with a small Christmas gift >>and chaperone them as they enjoy a few hours of >>kid-friendly activities on campus. I really >>enjoyed spending time with the second grader I >>was paired with. I felt like I helped him have a >>good time right before the holidays. > > More >>recently I have been an active volunteer with >>the first Ohio BELL program. I hope to assist in >>other NFB programs in years to come. Each of >>these service projects has shown me the >>importance of giving back to the community and >>using my talents and skills to help others. > > >>Conclusion > > What does involvement in >>community service mean to you or to a student >>you know? Community service has several >>secondary benefits that are great for >>volunteers. On the extrinsic level, volunteering >>can assist students build rÃ(c)sumÃ(c)s that are >>helpful in applying for jobs and scholarships. >>Students might even earn an award for their >>service. Aside from the socialization that comes >>from working as a member of a team and >>interacting with others, students who volunteer >>also have opportunities on the intrinsic level. >>They can gain empathy and compassion for others, >>improve their communication skills and >>confidence, and find a career they are >>passionate about pursuing. Unique to blind >>students are the opportunities to learn patience >>for answering questions related to blindness >>while actively demonstrating that blind people >>can lead independent lives and contribute to >>their communities. I believe this is probably >>the best way to educate the public on the true >>nature of blindness. > > However, it is >>important to bear in mind that service is not >>about building a rÃ(c)sumÃ(c) or looking good to a >>scholarship committee. It should not be done for >>the purposes of building social skills or as a >>means of searching for a vocation. Furthermore, >>the goal of doing service as a blind student >>should not be to educate the sighted public. >>Service is not about what is good for the >>volunteer, but what is good for the person or >>people the volunteer is seeking to help. >>Sometimes those extrinsic rewards will come >>along as the result of service, but when service >>is done for the right reasons those byproducts >>will be far more meaningful. I encourage all >>students to become active servant leaders in >>whatever ways they can and to strive to do so >>solely for the intrinsic value of helping >>others. I also encourage parents and teachers to >>help their students find ways to serve that >>utilize their unique talents and capabilities. >>Charles Dickens wrote, "No one is useless who >>lightens the burdens of another," and he was >>absolutely right. Blind students can serve just >>as effectively and with as much sincerity and >>compassion as their sighted peers. Whether the >>project is a large-scale mission trip to a >>foreign country or an hour of volunteering at a >>community food bank, the important thing is that >>it is being done. > > The National Federation of >>the Blind Community Service Group is currently >>working towards becoming a division. If you are >>interested in joining the group or aiding in the >>transition to division status, please contact >>Darian Smith for more details. You can reach him >>at dsmithnfb at gmail.com. > > Media Share > > > >>(back) (contents) (next) > > > Darian Smith > >>Chairperson, Community Service Group -National >>Federation of The Blind. > (415)215-9809 > >>dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > â EURO oe > "I don't know what >>your destiny will be, but one thing I know: the >>only ones among you who will be really happy are >>those who will have sought and found how to >>serveâ EURO > - Albert Schweitzer. > > >>Your unwanted vehicle can be just what the >>blind need to make possibilities reality. >> >>Donate your car to the National Federation of >>the Blind today! >> For more information, please >>visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call >>1-855-659-9314 > > > > > > >>_______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >>get your account info for nabs-l: > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Feb 10 13:28:53 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:28:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How Was The Scholarship Call Message-ID: <52f8d421.269aec0a.4485.ffffaa5c@mx.google.com> Good Morning Everyone, I hope you are all doing well. How was the Nabs Scholarship call last night? Did you learn about what it takes to win an Nfb scholarship? Hope to hear from you soon. From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Mon Feb 10 14:36:58 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:36:58 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] The Return of: NABS Notes Message-ID: <0AC2EE32-216A-4F5B-9353-7F3202506710@gmail.com> From the Communications Committee: NABS Notes February 2014 In this edition of NABS’ monthly bulletin: 1. We’re Bringing Updates Back 2. Washington Seminar Roundup 3. The TEACH Act Petition on Change.org 4. State Announcements We’re Bringing Updates Back The Communications Committee of the National Association of Blind Students is proud to present once again, the NABS Monthly Bulletin! Check this space for monthly updates from the NABS board, national initiatives, and from fellow state student divisions. Bre Brown and Gabe Cazares, both hailing from the great state of Texas, are heading up the Communications Committee, so if you have anything you’d like to see included in this space please contact them at bre.brown24 at gmail.com orgcazares at nfbtx.org respectively. We look forward to hearing about all the exciting things our state student divisions are doing! Washington Seminar Roundup The week of Monday January 27 through Thursday January 30, 2014, saw hundreds of blind Americans with cane or dog guide in hand, converging on our nation’s capitol for our annual NFB Washington Seminar. As is customary, the National Association of Blind Students came out in full force. Monday morning brought with it our annual Mid-Winter Seminar, which First Vice President Karen Anderson skillfully chaired. We heard from members of our National Center staff, from Jeannie Massay, President of the National Federation of the Blind of Oklahoma who spoke to us about scholarships and our NFB scholarship program, in addition to moderating a NABS forum in which members got the opportunity to voice their opinions on ways we can continue to improve this great division. President Maurer also addressed our crowd of students, encouraging us to continue getting involved in our movement. State student divisions updated us all on the exciting projects and programs they are currently working on; see the end of this update for some of those announcements. The afternoon segment brought with it our NABS resource fair in which students had the opportunity to peruse information and services provided by a number of companies and organizations, including our three NFB training centers. NABS Café, an evening of music and entertainment was held shortly after the conclusion of the Great Gathering-In Monday Evening. Federationists from all across the country came together to support our national student division, as well as to hear wonderful music selections performed by fellow Federationists, and to participate in our very lively and wildly entertaining auction. Special thanks go out to fundraising co-chairs, Cindy Bennett and Candice Chapman, as well as their impressive team of volunteers for planning and executing this event. Special thanks also go out to Corb O’Cconnor for serving as our lively auctioneer, as well as to all the Federationists who took time out of their evening to grace our event with their musical abilities. The TEACH Act Petition on Change.org the National Association of Blind Students is proud to be leading the charge with the Technology, Education and Accessibility in College and Higher Education Act, or the TEACH Act, as its most popularly known with the guidance and direction of Lauren McLarney and our Government Affairs Team. Mary Fernandez, Jamie Principado, and Lauren McLarney have been working with change.org, to create a petition on their website to bring awareness to this issue. Not only have we managed to get the petition created, but thanks to the reach of social media and student’s constant use of it, we have made this one of the most rapidly growing petitions on the site. As of the time of the writing of this article we have 115,285 signatures. While this number is incredibly exciting, the House of Representatives of the United States represents 313 million Americans, so we still have work to do. If you haven’t already, please read, sign, and share the petition far and wide. If you’ve already signed and shared, consider doing it again. Visit www.change.org/teachact to see awareness in action, additionally please post on social media using the hashtag #teachact. About H.R. 3505, taken directly from our online petition: The Technology, Education and Accessibility in College and Higher Education Act (HR 3505) will provide equal access to educational materials to students with disabilities across the country. The new TEACH Act guidelines will offer a direct path for schools towards compliance with current disability law, and gives directions to manufacturers which will increase the number of affordable, accessible options in the marketplace. State Announcements Note: All announcements are printed below as they were received from their senders. No effort to edit for content, grammar or clarity has been made on the part of NABS. Colorado Colorado Association of Blind Students, Colorado Center for the Blind, and Colorado Department of Vocational Rehabilitation Present: Student Connect 2014 Western States Seminar April 10-13, 2014 Connect to build success in the classroom and beyond! What happens when you get a group of intelligent, enthusiastic, and ambitious blind students from across the western United States together for a weekend? You have a MIND BLOWING Student Connect 2014 Western States Seminar where students gain information about tools and resources, learn to network, brainstorm creative solutions to common problems facing blind students, and HAVE FUN! Join the Colorado Association of Blind Students at Connect 2014 on April 10-13 for the year's most dynamic student seminar in the Western United States. Seminar sessions will be held at the Colorado Center for the Blind in Littleton Colorado. There will be presentations and information about all aspects of college. From the high-school transition to graduation and finding a job, from the classroom to the intramural sports field, we will address all the tough questions about how to be a successful college student. Our hotel room block is available at the Hampton Inn, Highlands Ranch located at 3095 W. County Line Rd. Littleton, CO 80129. Room rates are $89.00 per night regardless of occupancy number. There is FREE hotel shuttle within a 5 mile radius of the hotel including the CCB. Make your reservation NO LATER THAN March 10, 2014 by calling 855-261-5567. Mention that you are with the Colorado Association of Blind Students Student Seminar to receive the 89.00 room rate. DO NOT wait! Make your reservations today! Registration will be $50 and will include Friday lunch, Saturday Lunch, and Saturday dinner. To REGISTER or get more information contact Antonio Rozier at arozier at cocenter.org. You can also call 404-376-5661. CONNECT! CONNECT to the latest innovations in science, technology, math, and science for blind students. CONNECT to scholarships, employment and internship opportunities, and blind professionals. CONNECT to the largest network of blind students in the United States! More info and tickets at http://studentconnect14.brownpapertickets.com/ Ohio This year we have divided into 2 really strong committees for membership and fundraising. The membership committee is working to recruit more members through a variety of means, including a brochure which will be circulated to various state agencies for the blind and to teachers of the visually impaired. Our corresponding secretary has just launched our web site, and is in the process of adding new content. In the future this web site will house the information about our organization and board member bios, as well as an archive of our minutes and recordings of our meetings. The web site domain iswww.nfboabs.wordpress.com. Our fundraising committee is currently working on two projects. Our short-term fundraiser will be a gift card raffle, with the winners being announced at the spring affiliate board meeting in late April. Our long-term fundraising project is to produce and sell Braille bookmarks. On one side the book marks would feature the Braille alphabet and an NFB logo, complete with a picture of Whozit. The other side would have a simple text description of Braille and a puzzle for sighted readers to solve. The puzzle would read, “Seeing occurs in the mind.” These bookmarks will be great accessories for blind and sighted readers alike. We’re looking forward to a year of growth in Ohio. More about our recruitment and fundraising efforts will follow. Texas The stars at night are big and bright, deep in the heart of Texas! The Texas Association of Blind Students is gearing up for our fourth annual NFBT Youth Conference hosted jointly with the Texas Parents of Blind Children. We are excited to be bringing this dynamic and interactive conference for blind students, parents of blind children, and related professionals to Houston Texas, the weekend of April 4-6, 2014. We are equally excited to be welcoming Pam Allen, Executive Director of the Louisiana Center for the Blind, and board member of the National Federation of the Blind as this year’s national representative and keynote speaker. Get all the details on this year’s conference, including hotel rates, registration cost, and pertinent agenda information by visiting www.nfbtx.org, or by following the hashtag #NFBTYC14. Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students (415) 215-9809 dsmithnfb at gmail.com. twitter: @goldengateace www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink. “ A good Head and a good heart are always a formidable combination” - Nelson Mandela. > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Mon Feb 10 15:05:21 2014 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 10:05:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Return of: NABS Notes In-Reply-To: <0AC2EE32-216A-4F5B-9353-7F3202506710@gmail.com> References: <0AC2EE32-216A-4F5B-9353-7F3202506710@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you for bringing back the NABS monthly bulletin! it has always been something I have enjoyed reading, and I am glad to see it return. However, does anyone know about how much money we raised from the NABS Café auction fundraiser? I would be really interested in receiving this information. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Darian Smith" Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 9:36 AM To: "Georgia Association of blind students" ; "Minnesota Association of blind students" ; "Kentucky Association of blind students" ; "Illinois Association of blind students" ; ; "Michigan Association of blind students" ; "North Carolina Association of blind students" ; "Nebraska Association of blind students" ; "New Hampshire Association of blind students" ; "List for NABS State Presidents" ; "Missouri Association of Blind Students" ; ; "cabs-talk blind students" ; "Colorado Association of Blind Students" ; "Massachusetts Association of blind students" ; "Texas Association of blind students" ; "Louisiana Association of blind students" ; "Maryland Association of blind students" ; "Ohio Association of blind students" ; "New Mexico Association of Blind Students" ; "Blind International Students Mailing List" ; "Alabama Association of blind students" ; "New Jersey Association of blind students" ; "Wisconsin Association of blind students" ; "New York Association of blind students" ; "Utah Association of blind students" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" ; "West Virginia Association of blind students" ; "Tennessee Association of blind students" ; "Arizona Association of blind students" Subject: [nabs-l] The Return of: NABS Notes > From the Communications Committee: > > NABS Notes > > February 2014 > > > In this edition of NABS’ monthly bulletin: > > 1. We’re Bringing Updates Back > 2. Washington Seminar Roundup > 3. The TEACH Act Petition on Change.org > 4. State Announcements > > We’re Bringing Updates Back > > The Communications Committee of the National Association of Blind Students > is proud to present once again, the NABS Monthly Bulletin! Check this > space for monthly updates from the NABS board, national initiatives, and > from fellow state student divisions. Bre Brown and Gabe Cazares, both > hailing from the great state of Texas, are heading up the Communications > Committee, so if you have anything you’d like to see included in this > space please contact them at bre.brown24 at gmail.com orgcazares at nfbtx.org > respectively. We look forward to hearing about all the exciting things our > state student divisions are doing! > > Washington Seminar Roundup > > The week of Monday January 27 through Thursday January 30, 2014, saw > hundreds of blind Americans with cane or dog guide in hand, converging on > our nation’s capitol for our annual NFB Washington Seminar. As is > customary, the National Association of Blind Students came out in full > force. Monday morning brought with it our annual Mid-Winter Seminar, which > First Vice President Karen Anderson skillfully chaired. We heard from > members of our National Center staff, from Jeannie Massay, President of > the National Federation of the Blind of Oklahoma who spoke to us about > scholarships and our NFB scholarship program, in addition to moderating a > NABS forum in which members got the opportunity to voice their opinions on > ways we can continue to improve this great division. President Maurer also > addressed our crowd of students, encouraging us to continue getting > involved in our movement. State student divisions updated us all on the > exciting projects and programs they are currently working on; see the end > of this update for some of those announcements. > > The afternoon segment brought with it our NABS resource fair in which > students had the opportunity to peruse information and services provided > by a number of companies and organizations, including our three NFB > training centers. > > NABS Café, an evening of music and entertainment was held shortly after > the conclusion of the Great Gathering-In Monday Evening. Federationists > from all across the country came together to support our national student > division, as well as to hear wonderful music selections performed by > fellow Federationists, and to participate in our very lively and wildly > entertaining auction. Special thanks go out to fundraising co-chairs, > Cindy Bennett and Candice Chapman, as well as their impressive team of > volunteers for planning and executing this event. Special thanks also go > out to Corb O’Cconnor for serving as our lively auctioneer, as well as to > all the Federationists who took time out of their evening to grace our > event with their musical abilities. > > The TEACH Act Petition on Change.org > > the National Association of Blind Students is proud to be leading the > charge with the Technology, Education and Accessibility in College and > Higher Education Act, or the TEACH Act, as its most popularly known with > the guidance and direction of Lauren McLarney and our Government Affairs > Team. Mary Fernandez, Jamie Principado, and Lauren McLarney have been > working with change.org, to create a petition on their website to bring > awareness to this issue. Not only have we managed to get the petition > created, but thanks to the reach of social media and student’s constant > use of it, we have made this one of the most rapidly growing petitions on > the site. As of the time of the writing of this article we have 115,285 > signatures. While this number is incredibly exciting, the House of > Representatives of the United States represents 313 million Americans, so > we still have work to do. If you haven’t already, please read, sign, and > share the petition far and wide. If you’ve already signed and shared, > consider doing it again. Visit www.change.org/teachact to see awareness in > action, additionally please post on social media using the hashtag > #teachact. > > About H.R. 3505, taken directly from our online petition: > The Technology, Education and Accessibility in College and Higher > Education Act (HR 3505) will provide equal access to educational materials > to students with disabilities across the country. The new TEACH Act > guidelines will offer a direct path for schools towards compliance with > current disability law, and gives directions to manufacturers which will > increase the number of affordable, accessible options in the marketplace. > > State Announcements > > Note: All announcements are printed below as they were received from their > senders. No effort to edit for content, grammar or clarity has been made > on the part of NABS. > > Colorado > > Colorado Association of Blind Students, Colorado Center for the Blind, and > Colorado Department of Vocational Rehabilitation Present: Student Connect > 2014 Western States Seminar April 10-13, 2014 > Connect to build success in the classroom and beyond! > > What happens when you get a group of intelligent, enthusiastic, and > ambitious blind students from across the western United States together > for a weekend? You have a MIND BLOWING Student Connect 2014 Western States > Seminar where students gain information about tools and resources, learn > to network, brainstorm creative solutions to common problems facing blind > students, and HAVE FUN! > > Join the Colorado Association of Blind Students at Connect 2014 on April > 10-13 for the year's most dynamic student seminar in the Western United > States. Seminar sessions will be held at the Colorado Center for the Blind > in Littleton Colorado. There will be presentations and information about > all aspects of college. From the high-school transition to graduation and > finding a job, from the classroom to the intramural sports field, we will > address all the tough questions about how to be a successful college > student. > > Our hotel room block is available at the Hampton Inn, Highlands Ranch > located at 3095 W. County Line Rd. Littleton, CO 80129. Room rates are > $89.00 per night regardless of occupancy number. There is FREE hotel > shuttle within a 5 mile radius of the hotel including the CCB. Make your > reservation NO LATER THAN March 10, 2014 by calling 855-261-5567. Mention > that you are with the Colorado Association of Blind Students Student > Seminar to receive the 89.00 room rate. DO NOT wait! Make your > reservations today! > > Registration will be $50 and will include Friday lunch, Saturday Lunch, > and Saturday dinner. To REGISTER or get more information contact Antonio > Rozier at arozier at cocenter.org. You can also call 404-376-5661. > > CONNECT! > CONNECT to the latest innovations in science, technology, math, and > science for blind students. > CONNECT to scholarships, employment and internship opportunities, and > blind professionals. > CONNECT to the largest network of blind students in the United States! > > More info and tickets at http://studentconnect14.brownpapertickets.com/ > > Ohio > > This year we have divided into 2 really strong committees for membership > and fundraising. The membership committee is working to recruit more > members through a variety of means, including a brochure which will be > circulated to various state agencies for the blind and to teachers of the > visually impaired. Our corresponding secretary has just launched our web > site, and is in the process of adding new content. In the future this web > site will house the information about our organization and board member > bios, as well as an archive of our minutes and recordings of our meetings. > The web site domain iswww.nfboabs.wordpress.com. > > Our fundraising committee is currently working on two projects. Our > short-term fundraiser will be a gift card raffle, with the winners being > announced at the spring affiliate board meeting in late April. Our > long-term fundraising project is to produce and sell Braille bookmarks. > On one side the book marks would feature the Braille alphabet and an NFB > logo, complete with a picture of Whozit. The other side would have a > simple text description of Braille and a puzzle for sighted readers to > solve. The puzzle would read, “Seeing occurs in the mind.” These > bookmarks will be great accessories for blind and sighted readers alike. > > We’re looking forward to a year of growth in Ohio. More about our > recruitment and fundraising efforts will follow. > > Texas > > The stars at night are big and bright, deep in the heart of Texas! The > Texas Association of Blind Students is gearing up for our fourth annual > NFBT Youth Conference hosted jointly with the Texas Parents of Blind > Children. We are excited to be bringing this dynamic and interactive > conference for blind students, parents of blind children, and related > professionals to Houston Texas, the weekend of April 4-6, 2014. We are > equally excited to be welcoming Pam Allen, Executive Director of the > Louisiana Center for the Blind, and board member of the National > Federation of the Blind as this year’s national representative and keynote > speaker. Get all the details on this year’s conference, including hotel > rates, registration cost, and pertinent agenda information by visiting > www.nfbtx.org, or by following the hashtag #NFBTYC14. > > > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > (415) 215-9809 > dsmithnfb at gmail.com. > twitter: @goldengateace > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink. > “ A good Head and a good heart are always a formidable combination” > - Nelson Mandela. >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call >> 1-855-659-9314 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Feb 10 15:44:30 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 10:44:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Return of: NABS Notes Message-ID: <52f8f3ea.886fec0a.550e.fffff4dd@mx.google.com> Hi Darian thanks for bringing back the Nabs Bulletin. I have a question for you. How did the scholarship call go last night? From lilliepennington at fuse.net Tue Feb 11 05:17:39 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 00:17:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough Message-ID: Hello all I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school district that will be attending my high school next year. I have helped this student by serving as a guide in going to middle school programs. My vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer questions. This is fine with me. My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of tutoring. I do not feel I can do this. This student has multiple disabilities, I am not a teacher, and I will have a rigorous class schedule plus dealing with responsibilities with junior year. I have mentioned this to my parents and parra, who i feel are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi will not understand my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which I do not want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for any advice. From jhud7789 at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 05:26:08 2014 From: jhud7789 at gmail.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:26:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Lilly, if I gather, you're trying to ask about how to go about telling her VI teacher know you don't want to do this? That's what I'm kind of gathering out of the whole question Micahs if that is what you're asking, I would just say hey high school, has a lot on my plate and I don't really want to do A bunch of tutoring, and I think she knows that you're not a teacher but if you've already been through you one grade of high school or two great for that matter, I think that he will be a little provide some help but not a whole heckuva lot, what I would do in a situation like that is I would occasionally just check on the person just to see if they need anything at that something easy go ahead and take the responsibility to help them. I hope I ventured your question, and if anybody can be anymore assistance please feel free to contact me off list if you want. Joseph Hudson I device support Phone 641-715-3900 ex 34315 Email jhud7789 at gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:17 PM, Lillie Pennington wrote: > > > > Hello all > I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. > There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school district that will be attending my high school next year. I have helped this student by serving as a guide in going to middle school programs. My vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer questions. This is fine with me. > My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of tutoring. I do not feel I can do this. This student has multiple disabilities, I am not a teacher, and I will have a rigorous class schedule plus dealing with responsibilities with junior year. I have mentioned this to my parents and parra, who i feel are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi will not understand my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which I do not want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for any advice. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 05:26:50 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:26:50 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lilly, I think the easiest thing to do is to just have that conversation. Think that it is okay to have a conversation with your teacher that says that you are happy to show them around campus, (You were once the one who was trying to figure out campus) but that because of your schedule, you will be unable to do anything else beyond that. I'm sure that your teacher will understand. Hope that helps, Darian This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Lillie Pennington wrote: > > > > Hello all > I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. > There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school district that will be attending my high school next year. I have helped this student by serving as a guide in going to middle school programs. My vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer questions. This is fine with me. > My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of tutoring. I do not feel I can do this. This student has multiple disabilities, I am not a teacher, and I will have a rigorous class schedule plus dealing with responsibilities with junior year. I have mentioned this to my parents and parra, who i feel are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi will not understand my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which I do not want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for any advice. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Tue Feb 11 06:15:30 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 01:15:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you both. I basically plan on waiting and seeing what happens with the tour. I also asked my vi when it was mentioned to have her write me a list of questions so I can gauge her position. I will also make sure she has my contact information so she can ask more questions at Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:26 AM, Darian wrote: > > Hi Lilly, > I think the easiest thing to do is to just have that conversation. > Think that it is okay to have a conversation with your teacher that says that you are happy to show them around campus, (You were once the one who was trying to figure out campus) but that because of your schedule, you will be unable to do anything else beyond that. > I'm sure that your teacher will understand. > Hope that helps, > Darian > > This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > >> On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> >> >> >> Hello all >> I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. >> There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school district that will be attending my high school next year. I have helped this student by serving as a guide in going to middle school programs. My vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer questions. This is fine with me. >> My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of tutoring. I do not feel I can do this. This student has multiple disabilities, I am not a teacher, and I will have a rigorous class schedule plus dealing with responsibilities with junior year. I have mentioned this to my parents and parra, who i feel are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi will not understand my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which I do not want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for any advice. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net her leisure. I am just afraid my vi will not understand my scheduling problems since he is kind of out of the loop with my scheduling and classes, or that I need additional help with time management and such. From louvins at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 10:17:31 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 04:17:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lily. I would tell your VI teacher, that you don't mind helping out htis student a little if your schedule per mits. But, you don't want to hinder your schooling, if helping this student is going to be difficult because of having a lot of class work ETC. It also really depends on the student and if they genuinely accept your help if you offer it. When I was in college, a blind girl I knew called my house and asked me if I could show her a couple routes on campus that she was having trouble with. The next day, I waited for her to meet me where we had discussed so we could go the couple routes, and she never showed up. This happened another time as well. If this new student accepts your helping, just showing them a couple things might be ok, but again, it really depends on them. On 2/11/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > Thank you both. > I basically plan on waiting and seeing what happens with the tour. I also > asked my vi when it was mentioned to have her write me a list of questions > so I can gauge her position. I will also make sure she has my contact > information so she can ask more questions at > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:26 AM, Darian wrote: >> >> Hi Lilly, >> I think the easiest thing to do is to just have that conversation. >> Think that it is okay to have a conversation with your teacher that says >> that you are happy to show them around campus, (You were once the one who >> was trying to figure out campus) but that because of your schedule, you >> will be unable to do anything else beyond that. >> I'm sure that your teacher will understand. >> Hope that helps, >> Darian >> >> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >> >>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Lillie Pennington >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello all >>> I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. >>> There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school >>> district that will be attending my high school next year. I have helped >>> this student by serving as a guide in going to middle school programs. My >>> vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer questions. >>> This is fine with me. >>> My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of tutoring. I do >>> not feel I can do this. This student has multiple disabilities, I am not >>> a teacher, and I will have a rigorous class schedule plus dealing with >>> responsibilities with junior year. I have mentioned this to my parents >>> and parra, who i feel are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi will >>> not understand my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which I >>> do not want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be >>> presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for any >>> advice. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net >> her leisure. I am just afraid my vi will not understand my scheduling >> problems since he is kind of out of the loop with my scheduling and >> classes, or that I need additional help with time management and such. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 13:20:40 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 07:20:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lillie, I agree with what has been said thus far. The only thing I would add to the above advice would be that, when you have the conversation with the TVI and the other girl's para, make sure that you convey the message that you are perfectly willing to help out, but that the student is not your responsibility. The other thing would be just to be careful giving out your contact information. This girl may somehow think you're her "BFF" and want to constantly hang out with you--I've seen it happen to some friends, so it's just something to watch out for. Hope this helps. Ryan On 2/11/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > Hi Lily. I would tell your VI teacher, that you don't mind helping > out htis student a little if your schedule per mits. But, you don't > want to hinder your schooling, if helping this student is going to be > difficult because of having a lot of class work ETC. It also really > depends on the student and if they genuinely accept your help if you > offer it. When I was in college, a blind girl I knew called my house > and asked me if I could show her a couple routes on campus that she > was having trouble with. The next day, I waited for her to meet me > where we had discussed so we could go the couple routes, and she never > showed up. This happened another time as well. If this new student > accepts your helping, just showing them a couple things might be ok, > but again, it really depends on them. > > On 2/11/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> Thank you both. >> I basically plan on waiting and seeing what happens with the tour. I also >> asked my vi when it was mentioned to have her write me a list of >> questions >> so I can gauge her position. I will also make sure she has my contact >> information so she can ask more questions at >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:26 AM, Darian wrote: >>> >>> Hi Lilly, >>> I think the easiest thing to do is to just have that conversation. >>> Think that it is okay to have a conversation with your teacher that says >>> that you are happy to show them around campus, (You were once the one >>> who >>> was trying to figure out campus) but that because of your schedule, you >>> will be unable to do anything else beyond that. >>> I'm sure that your teacher will understand. >>> Hope that helps, >>> Darian >>> >>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>> >>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Lillie Pennington >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello all >>>> I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. >>>> There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school >>>> district that will be attending my high school next year. I have helped >>>> this student by serving as a guide in going to middle school programs. >>>> My >>>> vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer questions. >>>> This is fine with me. >>>> My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of tutoring. I >>>> do >>>> not feel I can do this. This student has multiple disabilities, I am >>>> not >>>> a teacher, and I will have a rigorous class schedule plus dealing with >>>> responsibilities with junior year. I have mentioned this to my parents >>>> and parra, who i feel are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi >>>> will >>>> not understand my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which >>>> I >>>> do not want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be >>>> presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for any >>>> advice. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net >>> her leisure. I am just afraid my vi will not understand my scheduling >>> problems since he is kind of out of the loop with my scheduling and >>> classes, or that I need additional help with time management and such. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 14:21:37 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:21:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, I totally agree. You come first, so do what you can to be helpful but not at the expense of your academics or other school-related obligations. As competent blind students we often are asked to help those students who are younger, could use more independence skills, etc. I've been asked to do it several times with several students in my school district as well, and the requests have ranged from reasonable things like braille tutoring and understanding tactile diagrams when the student came from a school district with really horrible VI services, to absurd things that jeopardized my schooling. Heck, one time another girl in my school forgot her notetaker on the day of a state exam, so I was asked to give her mine and go through my classes without access to my notes or textbook files. Helping is not truly helping if it is at anyone's expense. I do have one question though. I may just not understand because I was always either the only blind kid in my school, or the oldest one without multiple disabilities, but why exactly does the VI want you to give the tour? I can see why she might want to connect the two of you, but I personally have always done campus orientations and run through my class schedule with my mobility instructor or my parents once it became silly to call in the instructor when my mom and I could get it done in 15 minutes. I'm just curious as to why the mobility instructor who's job it is to familiarize this student with a new school layout isn't involved in this, or if he isn't for some good reason why her parents aren't taking initiative. On 2/11/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Hi Lillie, > > I agree with what has been said thus far. The only thing I would add > to the above advice would be that, when you have the conversation with > the TVI and the other girl's para, make sure that you convey the > message that you are perfectly willing to help out, but that the > student is not your responsibility. The other thing would be just to > be careful giving out your contact information. This girl may somehow > think you're her "BFF" and want to constantly hang out with you--I've > seen it happen to some friends, so it's just something to watch out > for. Hope this helps. > > Ryan > > On 2/11/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >> Hi Lily. I would tell your VI teacher, that you don't mind helping >> out htis student a little if your schedule per mits. But, you don't >> want to hinder your schooling, if helping this student is going to be >> difficult because of having a lot of class work ETC. It also really >> depends on the student and if they genuinely accept your help if you >> offer it. When I was in college, a blind girl I knew called my house >> and asked me if I could show her a couple routes on campus that she >> was having trouble with. The next day, I waited for her to meet me >> where we had discussed so we could go the couple routes, and she never >> showed up. This happened another time as well. If this new student >> accepts your helping, just showing them a couple things might be ok, >> but again, it really depends on them. >> >> On 2/11/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>> Thank you both. >>> I basically plan on waiting and seeing what happens with the tour. I >>> also >>> asked my vi when it was mentioned to have her write me a list of >>> questions >>> so I can gauge her position. I will also make sure she has my contact >>> information so she can ask more questions at >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:26 AM, Darian wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Lilly, >>>> I think the easiest thing to do is to just have that conversation. >>>> Think that it is okay to have a conversation with your teacher that >>>> says >>>> that you are happy to show them around campus, (You were once the one >>>> who >>>> was trying to figure out campus) but that because of your schedule, you >>>> will be unable to do anything else beyond that. >>>> I'm sure that your teacher will understand. >>>> Hope that helps, >>>> Darian >>>> >>>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>>> >>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Lillie Pennington >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello all >>>>> I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. >>>>> There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school >>>>> district that will be attending my high school next year. I have >>>>> helped >>>>> this student by serving as a guide in going to middle school programs. >>>>> My >>>>> vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer questions. >>>>> This is fine with me. >>>>> My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of tutoring. I >>>>> do >>>>> not feel I can do this. This student has multiple disabilities, I am >>>>> not >>>>> a teacher, and I will have a rigorous class schedule plus dealing with >>>>> responsibilities with junior year. I have mentioned this to my parents >>>>> and parra, who i feel are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi >>>>> will >>>>> not understand my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which >>>>> I >>>>> do not want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be >>>>> presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for any >>>>> advice. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net >>>> her leisure. I am just afraid my vi will not understand my scheduling >>>> problems since he is kind of out of the loop with my scheduling and >>>> classes, or that I need additional help with time management and such. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From agrima at nbp.org Tue Feb 11 14:37:29 2014 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:37:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Get the Picture! Viewing the World through the iPhone Camera Message-ID: <004401cf2736$cb062ad0$61128070$@org> Get the Picture! Viewing the World through the iPhone Camera by Judy Dixon In braille, BRF, Word, or DAISY, $15.00 The camera on an iPhone or iPad does a great deal more than take photos! 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And every iPhone user will want to read her sections on using FaceTime and Skype! Read the table of contents at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/GETPIC.html ****** To order any books, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html. From louvins at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 14:38:27 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:38:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Katy and all. I completely agree with you. I hope you didn't let that girl use your notetaker when she forgot hers at home. That wasn't your fault. The girl should have gotten all hjer school stuff ready the night before so she didn't forget anything. I also agree about getting your parents or O-M instructor to help get you oriented when it comes to figuring out your classes. My mom used to run through with me my class schedule for each semester of college all the time. Granted, I didn't always pay as close attention as I should have, but that was my fault. The older I get, the more I learn how importatant it is to learn your routes to your classes as soon as you can, and as well as you can. The sooner you can find your way to your classes the better off you'll be. This will give you much needed independence and help you in the long run. Good luck to Lily and the rest of you in your schooling. I just received my associates degree a couple weeks ago. On 2/11/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi all, > > I totally agree. You come first, so do what you can to be helpful but > not at the expense of your academics or other school-related > obligations. > > As competent blind students we often are asked to help those students > who are younger, could use more independence skills, etc. I've been > asked to do it several times with several students in my school > district as well, and the requests have ranged from reasonable things > like braille tutoring and understanding tactile diagrams when the > student came from a school district with really horrible VI services, > to absurd things that jeopardized my schooling. Heck, one time > another girl in my school forgot her notetaker on the day of a state > exam, so I was asked to give her mine and go through my classes > without access to my notes or textbook files. Helping is not truly > helping if it is at anyone's expense. > > I do have one question though. I may just not understand because I > was always either the only blind kid in my school, or the oldest one > without multiple disabilities, but why exactly does the VI want you to > give the tour? I can see why she might want to connect the two of > you, but I personally have always done campus orientations and run > through my class schedule with my mobility instructor or my parents > once it became silly to call in the instructor when my mom and I could > get it done in 15 minutes. I'm just curious as to why the mobility > instructor who's job it is to familiarize this student with a new > school layout isn't involved in this, or if he isn't for some good > reason why her parents aren't taking initiative. > > On 2/11/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> Hi Lillie, >> >> I agree with what has been said thus far. The only thing I would add >> to the above advice would be that, when you have the conversation with >> the TVI and the other girl's para, make sure that you convey the >> message that you are perfectly willing to help out, but that the >> student is not your responsibility. The other thing would be just to >> be careful giving out your contact information. This girl may somehow >> think you're her "BFF" and want to constantly hang out with you--I've >> seen it happen to some friends, so it's just something to watch out >> for. Hope this helps. >> >> Ryan >> >> On 2/11/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >>> Hi Lily. I would tell your VI teacher, that you don't mind helping >>> out htis student a little if your schedule per mits. But, you don't >>> want to hinder your schooling, if helping this student is going to be >>> difficult because of having a lot of class work ETC. It also really >>> depends on the student and if they genuinely accept your help if you >>> offer it. When I was in college, a blind girl I knew called my house >>> and asked me if I could show her a couple routes on campus that she >>> was having trouble with. The next day, I waited for her to meet me >>> where we had discussed so we could go the couple routes, and she never >>> showed up. This happened another time as well. If this new student >>> accepts your helping, just showing them a couple things might be ok, >>> but again, it really depends on them. >>> >>> On 2/11/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>> Thank you both. >>>> I basically plan on waiting and seeing what happens with the tour. I >>>> also >>>> asked my vi when it was mentioned to have her write me a list of >>>> questions >>>> so I can gauge her position. I will also make sure she has my contact >>>> information so she can ask more questions at >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:26 AM, Darian wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Lilly, >>>>> I think the easiest thing to do is to just have that conversation. >>>>> Think that it is okay to have a conversation with your teacher that >>>>> says >>>>> that you are happy to show them around campus, (You were once the one >>>>> who >>>>> was trying to figure out campus) but that because of your schedule, >>>>> you >>>>> will be unable to do anything else beyond that. >>>>> I'm sure that your teacher will understand. >>>>> Hope that helps, >>>>> Darian >>>>> >>>>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Lillie Pennington >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all >>>>>> I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. >>>>>> There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school >>>>>> district that will be attending my high school next year. I have >>>>>> helped >>>>>> this student by serving as a guide in going to middle school >>>>>> programs. >>>>>> My >>>>>> vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer >>>>>> questions. >>>>>> This is fine with me. >>>>>> My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of tutoring. I >>>>>> do >>>>>> not feel I can do this. This student has multiple disabilities, I am >>>>>> not >>>>>> a teacher, and I will have a rigorous class schedule plus dealing >>>>>> with >>>>>> responsibilities with junior year. I have mentioned this to my >>>>>> parents >>>>>> and parra, who i feel are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi >>>>>> will >>>>>> not understand my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, >>>>>> which >>>>>> I >>>>>> do not want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be >>>>>> presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for any >>>>>> advice. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net >>>>> her leisure. I am just afraid my vi will not understand my scheduling >>>>> problems since he is kind of out of the loop with my scheduling and >>>>> classes, or that I need additional help with time management and such. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 15:39:34 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:39:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, I feel your pain, Kaiti. When I was a freshman in high school, there was a blind senior who had forgotten his notetaker on the day he was to take the SAT. He asked to borrow mine and, because I was so annoyed at having to give my notetaker away and use a Perkins brailler in class, I put the notetaker in Spanish so that the guy would have to figure out how to switch it back. Our para wasn't too pleased that I had done that, but no one asked to borrow a notetaker from me ever again, so I guess it worked. Ryan On 2/11/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > Hi Katy and all. I completely agree with you. I hope you didn't let > that girl use your notetaker when she forgot hers at home. That > wasn't your fault. The girl should have gotten all hjer school stuff > ready the night before so she didn't forget anything. I also agree > about getting your parents or O-M instructor to help get you oriented > when it comes to figuring out your classes. My mom used to run > through with me my class schedule for each semester of college all the > time. Granted, I didn't always pay as close attention as I should > have, but that was my fault. The older I get, the more I learn how > importatant it is to learn your routes to your classes as soon as you > can, and as well as you can. The sooner you can find your way to your > classes the better off you'll be. This will give you much needed > independence and help you in the long run. Good luck to Lily and the > rest of you in your schooling. I just received my associates degree a > couple weeks ago. > > On 2/11/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I totally agree. You come first, so do what you can to be helpful but >> not at the expense of your academics or other school-related >> obligations. >> >> As competent blind students we often are asked to help those students >> who are younger, could use more independence skills, etc. I've been >> asked to do it several times with several students in my school >> district as well, and the requests have ranged from reasonable things >> like braille tutoring and understanding tactile diagrams when the >> student came from a school district with really horrible VI services, >> to absurd things that jeopardized my schooling. Heck, one time >> another girl in my school forgot her notetaker on the day of a state >> exam, so I was asked to give her mine and go through my classes >> without access to my notes or textbook files. Helping is not truly >> helping if it is at anyone's expense. >> >> I do have one question though. I may just not understand because I >> was always either the only blind kid in my school, or the oldest one >> without multiple disabilities, but why exactly does the VI want you to >> give the tour? I can see why she might want to connect the two of >> you, but I personally have always done campus orientations and run >> through my class schedule with my mobility instructor or my parents >> once it became silly to call in the instructor when my mom and I could >> get it done in 15 minutes. I'm just curious as to why the mobility >> instructor who's job it is to familiarize this student with a new >> school layout isn't involved in this, or if he isn't for some good >> reason why her parents aren't taking initiative. >> >> On 2/11/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>> Hi Lillie, >>> >>> I agree with what has been said thus far. The only thing I would add >>> to the above advice would be that, when you have the conversation with >>> the TVI and the other girl's para, make sure that you convey the >>> message that you are perfectly willing to help out, but that the >>> student is not your responsibility. The other thing would be just to >>> be careful giving out your contact information. This girl may somehow >>> think you're her "BFF" and want to constantly hang out with you--I've >>> seen it happen to some friends, so it's just something to watch out >>> for. Hope this helps. >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>> On 2/11/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >>>> Hi Lily. I would tell your VI teacher, that you don't mind helping >>>> out htis student a little if your schedule per mits. But, you don't >>>> want to hinder your schooling, if helping this student is going to be >>>> difficult because of having a lot of class work ETC. It also really >>>> depends on the student and if they genuinely accept your help if you >>>> offer it. When I was in college, a blind girl I knew called my house >>>> and asked me if I could show her a couple routes on campus that she >>>> was having trouble with. The next day, I waited for her to meet me >>>> where we had discussed so we could go the couple routes, and she never >>>> showed up. This happened another time as well. If this new student >>>> accepts your helping, just showing them a couple things might be ok, >>>> but again, it really depends on them. >>>> >>>> On 2/11/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>>> Thank you both. >>>>> I basically plan on waiting and seeing what happens with the tour. I >>>>> also >>>>> asked my vi when it was mentioned to have her write me a list of >>>>> questions >>>>> so I can gauge her position. I will also make sure she has my contact >>>>> information so she can ask more questions at >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:26 AM, Darian wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Lilly, >>>>>> I think the easiest thing to do is to just have that conversation. >>>>>> Think that it is okay to have a conversation with your teacher that >>>>>> says >>>>>> that you are happy to show them around campus, (You were once the one >>>>>> who >>>>>> was trying to figure out campus) but that because of your schedule, >>>>>> you >>>>>> will be unable to do anything else beyond that. >>>>>> I'm sure that your teacher will understand. >>>>>> Hope that helps, >>>>>> Darian >>>>>> >>>>>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Lillie Pennington >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all >>>>>>> I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. >>>>>>> There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school >>>>>>> district that will be attending my high school next year. I have >>>>>>> helped >>>>>>> this student by serving as a guide in going to middle school >>>>>>> programs. >>>>>>> My >>>>>>> vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer >>>>>>> questions. >>>>>>> This is fine with me. >>>>>>> My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of tutoring. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> not feel I can do this. This student has multiple disabilities, I am >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> a teacher, and I will have a rigorous class schedule plus dealing >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> responsibilities with junior year. I have mentioned this to my >>>>>>> parents >>>>>>> and parra, who i feel are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> not understand my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> do not want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be >>>>>>> presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for any >>>>>>> advice. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net >>>>>> her leisure. I am just afraid my vi will not understand my scheduling >>>>>> problems since he is kind of out of the loop with my scheduling and >>>>>> classes, or that I need additional help with time management and >>>>>> such. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From i.c.bray at win.net Tue Feb 11 16:12:59 2014 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:12:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough References: Message-ID: <2BD02D912A584C6097CBAA1DE87A5EEE@JAWS> Lilie , Just be as honest, forthright, and sincere with your VI as you were with your post to this list. Frankly, Junior year is tough for High School Students. You begin the path to College & you usually have lots of stuff going on. While Tutoring may not be something you want to do, still consider the fact that you can still check on the student once in a while to encourage them. Having an upperclassman say "Hi" will do them some good, and you will still be able to focus. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lillie Pennington" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:17 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough : : : Hello all : I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. : There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school district that will be attending my high school next year. I have helped this student by serving as a guide in going to middle school programs. My vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer questions. This is fine with me. : My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of tutoring. I do not feel I can do this. This student has multiple disabilities, I am not a teacher, and I will have a rigorous class schedule plus dealing with responsibilities with junior year. I have mentioned this to my parents and parra, who i feel are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi will not understand my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which I do not want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for any advice. : _______________________________________________ : nabs-l mailing list : nabs-l at nfbnet.org : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From emilypennington at fuse.net Tue Feb 11 16:19:06 2014 From: emilypennington at fuse.net (Emily Pennington) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:19:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cf2744$fdb9b7e0$f92d27a0$@fuse.net> Hi, everyone. Regarding Kaiti's question about the tour, I think I might have an answer. I'm not sure if the mobility instructor is or is not taking the initiative and helping with the tour, but they might have the mind-set that a student giving the tour would be more beneficial since that student is the one who attends that school on a daily basis. Heck, when Lillie was starting high school, I offered to walk around with her and our O&M instructor one of the first times she visited the building. I was really excited to show her some of the routes I took, introduce her to teachers, and the like. Besides, I knew my sister wouldn't turn into some crazy stalker chick. Haha. At any rate, I agree with everything that's been said: you can help this girl, but it's not your job to serve as TVI, O&M instructor, teacher, and so on and so forth. Emily -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:38 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough Hi Katy and all. I completely agree with you. I hope you didn't let that girl use your notetaker when she forgot hers at home. That wasn't your fault. The girl should have gotten all hjer school stuff ready the night before so she didn't forget anything. I also agree about getting your parents or O-M instructor to help get you oriented when it comes to figuring out your classes. My mom used to run through with me my class schedule for each semester of college all the time. Granted, I didn't always pay as close attention as I should have, but that was my fault. The older I get, the more I learn how importatant it is to learn your routes to your classes as soon as you can, and as well as you can. The sooner you can find your way to your classes the better off you'll be. This will give you much needed independence and help you in the long run. Good luck to Lily and the rest of you in your schooling. I just received my associates degree a couple weeks ago. On 2/11/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi all, > > I totally agree. You come first, so do what you can to be helpful but > not at the expense of your academics or other school-related > obligations. > > As competent blind students we often are asked to help those students > who are younger, could use more independence skills, etc. I've been > asked to do it several times with several students in my school > district as well, and the requests have ranged from reasonable things > like braille tutoring and understanding tactile diagrams when the > student came from a school district with really horrible VI services, > to absurd things that jeopardized my schooling. Heck, one time > another girl in my school forgot her notetaker on the day of a state > exam, so I was asked to give her mine and go through my classes > without access to my notes or textbook files. Helping is not truly > helping if it is at anyone's expense. > > I do have one question though. I may just not understand because I > was always either the only blind kid in my school, or the oldest one > without multiple disabilities, but why exactly does the VI want you to > give the tour? I can see why she might want to connect the two of > you, but I personally have always done campus orientations and run > through my class schedule with my mobility instructor or my parents > once it became silly to call in the instructor when my mom and I could > get it done in 15 minutes. I'm just curious as to why the mobility > instructor who's job it is to familiarize this student with a new > school layout isn't involved in this, or if he isn't for some good > reason why her parents aren't taking initiative. > > On 2/11/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> Hi Lillie, >> >> I agree with what has been said thus far. The only thing I would add >> to the above advice would be that, when you have the conversation >> with the TVI and the other girl's para, make sure that you convey the >> message that you are perfectly willing to help out, but that the >> student is not your responsibility. The other thing would be just to >> be careful giving out your contact information. This girl may >> somehow think you're her "BFF" and want to constantly hang out with >> you--I've seen it happen to some friends, so it's just something to >> watch out for. Hope this helps. >> >> Ryan >> >> On 2/11/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >>> Hi Lily. I would tell your VI teacher, that you don't mind helping >>> out htis student a little if your schedule per mits. But, you don't >>> want to hinder your schooling, if helping this student is going to >>> be difficult because of having a lot of class work ETC. It also >>> really depends on the student and if they genuinely accept your help >>> if you offer it. When I was in college, a blind girl I knew called >>> my house and asked me if I could show her a couple routes on campus >>> that she was having trouble with. The next day, I waited for her to >>> meet me where we had discussed so we could go the couple routes, and >>> she never showed up. This happened another time as well. If this >>> new student accepts your helping, just showing them a couple things >>> might be ok, but again, it really depends on them. >>> >>> On 2/11/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>> Thank you both. >>>> I basically plan on waiting and seeing what happens with the tour. >>>> I also asked my vi when it was mentioned to have her write me a >>>> list of questions so I can gauge her position. I will also make >>>> sure she has my contact information so she can ask more questions >>>> at >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:26 AM, Darian wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Lilly, >>>>> I think the easiest thing to do is to just have that conversation. >>>>> Think that it is okay to have a conversation with your teacher >>>>> that says that you are happy to show them around campus, (You were >>>>> once the one who was trying to figure out campus) but that because >>>>> of your schedule, you will be unable to do anything else beyond >>>>> that. >>>>> I'm sure that your teacher will understand. >>>>> Hope that helps, >>>>> Darian >>>>> >>>>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Lillie Pennington >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all >>>>>> I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. >>>>>> There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school >>>>>> district that will be attending my high school next year. I have >>>>>> helped this student by serving as a guide in going to middle >>>>>> school programs. >>>>>> My >>>>>> vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer >>>>>> questions. >>>>>> This is fine with me. >>>>>> My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of >>>>>> tutoring. I do not feel I can do this. This student has multiple >>>>>> disabilities, I am not a teacher, and I will have a rigorous >>>>>> class schedule plus dealing with responsibilities with junior >>>>>> year. I have mentioned this to my parents and parra, who i feel >>>>>> are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi will not understand >>>>>> my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which I do not >>>>>> want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be >>>>>> presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for >>>>>> any advice. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g >>>>>> mail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenningt >>>>> on%40fuse.net her leisure. I am just afraid my vi will not >>>>> understand my scheduling problems since he is kind of out of the >>>>> loop with my scheduling and classes, or that I need additional >>>>> help with time management and such. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >> %40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.co > m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.n et From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 16:30:50 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:30:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: <000301cf2744$fdb9b7e0$f92d27a0$@fuse.net> References: <000301cf2744$fdb9b7e0$f92d27a0$@fuse.net> Message-ID: Lillie, I think it's great that you are giving the tour. It'll be good for a younger blind person to see an older blind person walking around the school and the fact that the elder, the mentor, is giving the tour says even more. I remember when I was at World Services for the Blind in Arkansas, whenever we had a new student, though we had O and M's to show them around, often times, we, the clients, gave tours to the incoming clients. Ryan On 2/11/14, Emily Pennington wrote: > Hi, everyone. > Regarding Kaiti's question about the tour, I think I might have an answer. > I'm not sure if the mobility instructor is or is not taking the initiative > and helping with the tour, but they might have the mind-set that a student > giving the tour would be more beneficial since that student is the one who > attends that school on a daily basis. Heck, when Lillie was starting high > school, I offered to walk around with her and our O&M instructor one of the > first times she visited the building. I was really excited to show her some > of the routes I took, introduce her to teachers, and the like. Besides, I > knew my sister wouldn't turn into some crazy stalker chick. Haha. At any > rate, I agree with everything that's been said: you can help this girl, but > it's not your job to serve as TVI, O&M instructor, teacher, and so on and > so > forth. > > Emily > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua > Hendrickson > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:38 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough > > Hi Katy and all. I completely agree with you. I hope you didn't let that > girl use your notetaker when she forgot hers at home. That wasn't your > fault. The girl should have gotten all hjer school stuff ready the night > before so she didn't forget anything. I also agree about getting your > parents or O-M instructor to help get you oriented when it comes to > figuring > out your classes. My mom used to run through with me my class schedule for > each semester of college all the time. Granted, I didn't always pay as > close attention as I should have, but that was my fault. The older I get, > the more I learn how importatant it is to learn your routes to your classes > as soon as you can, and as well as you can. The sooner you can find your > way to your classes the better off you'll be. This will give you much > needed independence and help you in the long run. Good luck to Lily and > the > rest of you in your schooling. I just received my associates degree a > couple weeks ago. > > On 2/11/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I totally agree. You come first, so do what you can to be helpful but >> not at the expense of your academics or other school-related >> obligations. >> >> As competent blind students we often are asked to help those students >> who are younger, could use more independence skills, etc. I've been >> asked to do it several times with several students in my school >> district as well, and the requests have ranged from reasonable things >> like braille tutoring and understanding tactile diagrams when the >> student came from a school district with really horrible VI services, >> to absurd things that jeopardized my schooling. Heck, one time >> another girl in my school forgot her notetaker on the day of a state >> exam, so I was asked to give her mine and go through my classes >> without access to my notes or textbook files. Helping is not truly >> helping if it is at anyone's expense. >> >> I do have one question though. I may just not understand because I >> was always either the only blind kid in my school, or the oldest one >> without multiple disabilities, but why exactly does the VI want you to >> give the tour? I can see why she might want to connect the two of >> you, but I personally have always done campus orientations and run >> through my class schedule with my mobility instructor or my parents >> once it became silly to call in the instructor when my mom and I could >> get it done in 15 minutes. I'm just curious as to why the mobility >> instructor who's job it is to familiarize this student with a new >> school layout isn't involved in this, or if he isn't for some good >> reason why her parents aren't taking initiative. >> >> On 2/11/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>> Hi Lillie, >>> >>> I agree with what has been said thus far. The only thing I would add >>> to the above advice would be that, when you have the conversation >>> with the TVI and the other girl's para, make sure that you convey the >>> message that you are perfectly willing to help out, but that the >>> student is not your responsibility. The other thing would be just to >>> be careful giving out your contact information. This girl may >>> somehow think you're her "BFF" and want to constantly hang out with >>> you--I've seen it happen to some friends, so it's just something to >>> watch out for. Hope this helps. >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>> On 2/11/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >>>> Hi Lily. I would tell your VI teacher, that you don't mind helping >>>> out htis student a little if your schedule per mits. But, you don't >>>> want to hinder your schooling, if helping this student is going to >>>> be difficult because of having a lot of class work ETC. It also >>>> really depends on the student and if they genuinely accept your help >>>> if you offer it. When I was in college, a blind girl I knew called >>>> my house and asked me if I could show her a couple routes on campus >>>> that she was having trouble with. The next day, I waited for her to >>>> meet me where we had discussed so we could go the couple routes, and >>>> she never showed up. This happened another time as well. If this >>>> new student accepts your helping, just showing them a couple things >>>> might be ok, but again, it really depends on them. >>>> >>>> On 2/11/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>>> Thank you both. >>>>> I basically plan on waiting and seeing what happens with the tour. >>>>> I also asked my vi when it was mentioned to have her write me a >>>>> list of questions so I can gauge her position. I will also make >>>>> sure she has my contact information so she can ask more questions >>>>> at >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:26 AM, Darian wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Lilly, >>>>>> I think the easiest thing to do is to just have that conversation. >>>>>> Think that it is okay to have a conversation with your teacher >>>>>> that says that you are happy to show them around campus, (You were >>>>>> once the one who was trying to figure out campus) but that because >>>>>> of your schedule, you will be unable to do anything else beyond >>>>>> that. >>>>>> I'm sure that your teacher will understand. >>>>>> Hope that helps, >>>>>> Darian >>>>>> >>>>>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Lillie Pennington >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all >>>>>>> I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. >>>>>>> There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school >>>>>>> district that will be attending my high school next year. I have >>>>>>> helped this student by serving as a guide in going to middle >>>>>>> school programs. >>>>>>> My >>>>>>> vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer >>>>>>> questions. >>>>>>> This is fine with me. >>>>>>> My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of >>>>>>> tutoring. I do not feel I can do this. This student has multiple >>>>>>> disabilities, I am not a teacher, and I will have a rigorous >>>>>>> class schedule plus dealing with responsibilities with junior >>>>>>> year. I have mentioned this to my parents and parra, who i feel >>>>>>> are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi will not understand >>>>>>> my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which I do not >>>>>>> want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be >>>>>>> presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for >>>>>>> any advice. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g >>>>>>> mail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenningt >>>>>> on%40fuse.net her leisure. I am just afraid my vi will not >>>>>> understand my scheduling problems since he is kind of out of the >>>>>> loop with my scheduling and classes, or that I need additional >>>>>> help with time management and such. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.co >> m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.n > et > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 16:37:51 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:37:51 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: <000301cf2744$fdb9b7e0$f92d27a0$@fuse.net> References: <000301cf2744$fdb9b7e0$f92d27a0$@fuse.net> Message-ID: <43D8A9CA-A4C5-4D76-9F94-AD7783A712D2@gmail.com> Hi all, Just to throw something else in, I doubt that there is any desire on the teacher’s part to put any of their workload on Lilly. I suspect they think she would be a good mentor and look to her in that way. While that is likely a great compliment on her, it’s fine to draw lines as to what you feel comfortable with. I’m sure Lilly has a good idea as to how to handle it in a respectful way that helps her, the student and teacher. Please let us know how it goes! Darian On Feb 11, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Emily Pennington wrote: > Hi, everyone. > Regarding Kaiti's question about the tour, I think I might have an answer. > I'm not sure if the mobility instructor is or is not taking the initiative > and helping with the tour, but they might have the mind-set that a student > giving the tour would be more beneficial since that student is the one who > attends that school on a daily basis. Heck, when Lillie was starting high > school, I offered to walk around with her and our O&M instructor one of the > first times she visited the building. I was really excited to show her some > of the routes I took, introduce her to teachers, and the like. Besides, I > knew my sister wouldn't turn into some crazy stalker chick. Haha. At any > rate, I agree with everything that's been said: you can help this girl, but > it's not your job to serve as TVI, O&M instructor, teacher, and so on and so > forth. > > Emily > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua > Hendrickson > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:38 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough > > Hi Katy and all. I completely agree with you. I hope you didn't let that > girl use your notetaker when she forgot hers at home. That wasn't your > fault. The girl should have gotten all hjer school stuff ready the night > before so she didn't forget anything. I also agree about getting your > parents or O-M instructor to help get you oriented when it comes to figuring > out your classes. My mom used to run through with me my class schedule for > each semester of college all the time. Granted, I didn't always pay as > close attention as I should have, but that was my fault. The older I get, > the more I learn how importatant it is to learn your routes to your classes > as soon as you can, and as well as you can. The sooner you can find your > way to your classes the better off you'll be. This will give you much > needed independence and help you in the long run. Good luck to Lily and the > rest of you in your schooling. I just received my associates degree a > couple weeks ago. > > On 2/11/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I totally agree. You come first, so do what you can to be helpful but >> not at the expense of your academics or other school-related >> obligations. >> >> As competent blind students we often are asked to help those students >> who are younger, could use more independence skills, etc. I've been >> asked to do it several times with several students in my school >> district as well, and the requests have ranged from reasonable things >> like braille tutoring and understanding tactile diagrams when the >> student came from a school district with really horrible VI services, >> to absurd things that jeopardized my schooling. Heck, one time >> another girl in my school forgot her notetaker on the day of a state >> exam, so I was asked to give her mine and go through my classes >> without access to my notes or textbook files. Helping is not truly >> helping if it is at anyone's expense. >> >> I do have one question though. I may just not understand because I >> was always either the only blind kid in my school, or the oldest one >> without multiple disabilities, but why exactly does the VI want you to >> give the tour? I can see why she might want to connect the two of >> you, but I personally have always done campus orientations and run >> through my class schedule with my mobility instructor or my parents >> once it became silly to call in the instructor when my mom and I could >> get it done in 15 minutes. I'm just curious as to why the mobility >> instructor who's job it is to familiarize this student with a new >> school layout isn't involved in this, or if he isn't for some good >> reason why her parents aren't taking initiative. >> >> On 2/11/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>> Hi Lillie, >>> >>> I agree with what has been said thus far. The only thing I would add >>> to the above advice would be that, when you have the conversation >>> with the TVI and the other girl's para, make sure that you convey the >>> message that you are perfectly willing to help out, but that the >>> student is not your responsibility. The other thing would be just to >>> be careful giving out your contact information. This girl may >>> somehow think you're her "BFF" and want to constantly hang out with >>> you--I've seen it happen to some friends, so it's just something to >>> watch out for. Hope this helps. >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>> On 2/11/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >>>> Hi Lily. I would tell your VI teacher, that you don't mind helping >>>> out htis student a little if your schedule per mits. But, you don't >>>> want to hinder your schooling, if helping this student is going to >>>> be difficult because of having a lot of class work ETC. It also >>>> really depends on the student and if they genuinely accept your help >>>> if you offer it. When I was in college, a blind girl I knew called >>>> my house and asked me if I could show her a couple routes on campus >>>> that she was having trouble with. The next day, I waited for her to >>>> meet me where we had discussed so we could go the couple routes, and >>>> she never showed up. This happened another time as well. If this >>>> new student accepts your helping, just showing them a couple things >>>> might be ok, but again, it really depends on them. >>>> >>>> On 2/11/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>>> Thank you both. >>>>> I basically plan on waiting and seeing what happens with the tour. >>>>> I also asked my vi when it was mentioned to have her write me a >>>>> list of questions so I can gauge her position. I will also make >>>>> sure she has my contact information so she can ask more questions >>>>> at >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 11, 2014, at 12:26 AM, Darian wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Lilly, >>>>>> I think the easiest thing to do is to just have that conversation. >>>>>> Think that it is okay to have a conversation with your teacher >>>>>> that says that you are happy to show them around campus, (You were >>>>>> once the one who was trying to figure out campus) but that because >>>>>> of your schedule, you will be unable to do anything else beyond >>>>>> that. >>>>>> I'm sure that your teacher will understand. >>>>>> Hope that helps, >>>>>> Darian >>>>>> >>>>>> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:17 PM, Lillie Pennington >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all >>>>>>> I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. >>>>>>> There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school >>>>>>> district that will be attending my high school next year. I have >>>>>>> helped this student by serving as a guide in going to middle >>>>>>> school programs. >>>>>>> My >>>>>>> vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer >>>>>>> questions. >>>>>>> This is fine with me. >>>>>>> My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of >>>>>>> tutoring. I do not feel I can do this. This student has multiple >>>>>>> disabilities, I am not a teacher, and I will have a rigorous >>>>>>> class schedule plus dealing with responsibilities with junior >>>>>>> year. I have mentioned this to my parents and parra, who i feel >>>>>>> are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi will not understand >>>>>>> my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which I do not >>>>>>> want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be >>>>>>> presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for >>>>>>> any advice. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g >>>>>>> mail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenningt >>>>>> on%40fuse.net her leisure. I am just afraid my vi will not >>>>>> understand my scheduling problems since he is kind of out of the >>>>>> loop with my scheduling and classes, or that I need additional >>>>>> help with time management and such. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira% >>>> 40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.co >> m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.n > et > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 16:38:35 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:38:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough Message-ID: <52fa521a.a2e3ec0a.6375.ffff9b20@mx.google.com> Good Morning Lillie and All, For those of you who don't know me my name is Roanna Bacchus. I have been en this list for a little while now. Lillie, I have enjoyed reading your posts. I do have some advice for you. Be honest with your TVI and others about your concerns in regards to helping this student. While hebbping her learn routes is fine, you should not agree to help with her schoolwork and homework. When you meet her explain to her that it is her responsibility to complete her assignments. From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 21:44:35 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:44:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Spreading the word regarding The Teach Act petition at My College Message-ID: <5421C2F10D4B47D598EBC63DECFF292F@Helga> Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that we all know that the Teach Act petition is very important for us, and for any other students with dissabilities to get accessible Softwares in their colleges and universities! And I actually would like to spread the word about this petition in order for other students, and professors at my college, which didn’t hear about this petition to probably sign it, and let them know about this petition. But I actually don’t know how to do that! I was thinking in contacting the Student Government Association of my college, but I really can’t find their contact info. I actually send the petition to my DSS adviser, but she didn’t really tell me anything about it,a and I asume that she probably didn’t sign it. Just to let you know, below is going to be a link of my college site in order for you to see it. And also, just to let you know, I’m from Boca Raton, Florida, and I attend the Boca Raton Campus. I just wanted to ask you, could you guys help me find my Student Government Association contact info in my College site? I’m just wondering, since I was trying to find it in order to contact them, and telll them about this petition, in order for them to help me spread the word about this petition! Or what else do you guys recommend me to do in order to spread the word about this petition? I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! http://www.palmbeachstate.edu/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jsoro620 at gmail.com Tue Feb 11 23:47:48 2014 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 18:47:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00cb01cf2783$ac0c73d0$04255b70$@gmail.com> Aren't the fears here a little premature? According to your note, all you've been asked to do is give a tour. The rest is just a concern over what you might be asked to do. I would wait for some evidence that the expectations of you are higher before making a leap from a tour to constant tutoring. That way you don't potentially embarrass yourself over something the teacher may not have ever planned on you handling. To offer a different prospective from others, you could view it as flattering that you've been asked to show the student around, that you're viewed as someone competent enough to be counted upon to take care of this task. Just a thought. Joe -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie Pennington Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:18 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough Hello all I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school district that will be attending my high school next year. I have helped this student by serving as a guide in going to middle school programs. My vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer questions. This is fine with me. My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of tutoring. I do not feel I can do this. This student has multiple disabilities, I am not a teacher, and I will have a rigorous class schedule plus dealing with responsibilities with junior year. I have mentioned this to my parents and parra, who i feel are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi will not understand my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which I do not want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for any advice. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 00:53:52 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:53:52 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] nls and book port plus Message-ID: <52fac657.2587440a.6d2e.ffff8684@mx.google.com> Sorry if this already came through, I got no message saying it did. How do you add music on to the book port plus? And is there a way to register with nls without having to deal with all the mailing? I cannot get the books now, and I really need them. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Feb 12 03:01:53 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 22:01:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nls and book port plus In-Reply-To: <52fac657.2587440a.6d2e.ffff8684@mx.google.com> References: <52fac657.2587440a.6d2e.ffff8684@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Marisa, Someone has to sign you up for nls. After you are in the system, you can set up an account yourself with Bard, the online library which is the braille and audio reading download service. On Bard, you can search by title and author. Then you can download anything you want on it without dealing with mailings. However, you need a high speed internet connection to download these large book files effectively. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:53 PM To: Nabsl Subject: [nabs-l] nls and book port plus Sorry if this already came through, I got no message saying it did. How do you add music on to the book port plus? And is there a way to register with nls without having to deal with all the mailing? I cannot get the books now, and I really need them. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From lilliepennington at fuse.net Wed Feb 12 03:28:36 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 22:28:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: <00cb01cf2783$ac0c73d0$04255b70$@gmail.com> References: <00cb01cf2783$ac0c73d0$04255b70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008001cf27a2$83c03230$8b409690$@net> Hello Joe and all, You have a very, very good point here. I probably jumped the gun a little in sending this message and worrying about this. I like to be prepared for any situation that could arise from anything. The possibility of working with this student had also been discussed between me and an old TVI about a year ago. After reading the messages in this thread, I have sort of developed a sort of rough draft for a plan that I may execute to find out what what is desired of me at this point to do, and at future points. When I get my approved course list some time next week, I plan to give it to my TVI as he has previously requested. I may ask some point in this time period if this student has any idea of her schedule yet. Hopefully more information will be given, and I will also ask if she has any questions (I had conveyed a message to her yesterday to send a list of questions so I could see where she was at and I could provide more detailed, thought out answers.) I may say something like, I know that I can help her now, but because of my schedule I am not sure how much I can help with anything next year, and then see where it is going from there. Thank you everyone for your support and I will let you all know if anything comes of this. Lillie -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 6:48 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough Aren't the fears here a little premature? According to your note, all you've been asked to do is give a tour. The rest is just a concern over what you might be asked to do. I would wait for some evidence that the expectations of you are higher before making a leap from a tour to constant tutoring. That way you don't potentially embarrass yourself over something the teacher may not have ever planned on you handling. To offer a different prospective from others, you could view it as flattering that you've been asked to show the student around, that you're viewed as someone competent enough to be counted upon to take care of this task. Just a thought. Joe -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie Pennington Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:18 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough Hello all I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school district that will be attending my high school next year. I have helped this student by serving as a guide in going to middle school programs. My vi asked if I would do a tour of the high school and answer questions. This is fine with me. My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of tutoring. I do not feel I can do this. This student has multiple disabilities, I am not a teacher, and I will have a rigorous class schedule plus dealing with responsibilities with junior year. I have mentioned this to my parents and parra, who i feel are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi will not understand my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which I do not want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be presumptuous, but I do not want to be misleading. Thank you for any advice. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. net From agrima at nbp.org Wed Feb 12 03:55:46 2014 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:55:46 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Get the Picture! Viewing the World through the iPhone Camera Message-ID: Get the Picture! Viewing the World through the iPhone Camera by Judy Dixon In braille, BRF, Word, or DAISY, $15.00 The camera on an iPhone or iPad does a great deal more than take photos! Just ask Judy Dixon, who not only takes panoramic photos of her new patio, but also clicks the shutter to identify her apricot sweater, pull out an Andrew Jackson bill, scan a barcode at Whole Foods, do FaceTime with a friend in Portugal, and so much more! Now she' sharing what she knows in her new book: Get the Picture: Viewing the World With the iPhone Camera. Judy tested and rated hundreds of apps to find those most accessible to blind users. In this book, Judy has applied the knowledge she has gained from months of research on iPhone photography and has put into practice strategies enabling people who are blind to enjoy creating and sharing their own photographs of the world around them. Whether you're interested in taking pictures of your newborn for the family album, or your prized tomatoes for your Facebook page, Judy covers all aspects of taking pictures - from photographing people to photographing sunsets. And every iPhone user will want to read her sections on using FaceTime and Skype! Read the table of contents at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/GETPIC.html ****** To order any books, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html. From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 04:25:51 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:25:51 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] nls and book port plus Message-ID: <52faf806.2742440a.0608.ffffac3b@mx.google.com> So I have to be registered with nls. I emailed them and asked them to check for me. If not, I can ask my TVI tomorrow, to help out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" Students: Below, please see a recent press release from the While House. President Obama plans to include people with disabilities in his executive order to raise the minimum wage for federal contract workers. Thanks for all your work, Rose THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE February 12, 2014 *FACT SHEET - **Opportunity For All: Rewarding Hard Work* *Raising the Minimum Wage through Executive Order to $10.10 for Federal Contract Workers* *& Calling on Congress to Finish the Job for All Workers by Passing the Harkin-Miller Bill* Today, continuing to fulfill his promise to make 2014 a year of action, the President will sign an Executive Order to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 for federal contract workers. 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And right now a full-time minimum wage worker makes $14,500 a year, which leaves too many families struggling to make ends meet. Even after accounting for programs like the Earned Income Tax Credit, a family of four supported by a minimum wage worker still ends up living below the poverty line. § *Indexing the minimum wage to inflation would help lower-income workers keep up in the future.* Since it was first established in 1938, the minimum wage has been increased 22 times, but was eroded substantially over several prolonged periods between increases because of inflation. Indexing would prevent a repeat of the 34 percent decline in the real value of the minimum wage from 1978 to 1989 and the 19 percent decline in real value from 1998 to 2006, as well as the 40 percent decline in the real value of the base wage for tipped workers since it was last raised in 1991. Last year alone, workers earning the minimum wage basically got the equivalent of a $200 pay cut because the minimum wage stayed the same while the cost of living went up. Democrats and Republicans agree that indexing the minimum wage to inflation would ensure that working families can keep up with expenses. Unfortunately, those families will continue suffer if Congress continues to not act. § *Helping parents make ends meet.* Around 60 percent of workers who would benefit from a higher minimum wage are women. Less than 20 percent are teenagers. Also, those workers who would benefit from an increase in the minimum wage brought home 46 percent of their household's total wage and salary income in 2011. Raising the minimum wage directly helps parents make ends meet and support their families. ### From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 14:45:07 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 06:45:07 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nabs-presidents] People with Disabilities Included in President Obama's Executive Order References: Message-ID: <608AE43C-6C69-42B0-AEB8-5D95ED3842AA@gmail.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: Rose Sloan > Subject: [Nabs-presidents] People with Disabilities Included in President Obama's Executive Order > Date: February 12, 2014 at 6:39:11 AM PST > To: List for NABS State Presidents , nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Reply-To: List for NABS State Presidents > > Students: > > > Below, please see a recent press release from the While House. President > Obama plans to include people with disabilities in his executive order to > raise the minimum wage for federal contract workers. > > > Thanks for all your work, > > > Rose > > > THE WHITE HOUSE > > Office of the Press Secretary > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > February 12, 2014 > > > > *FACT SHEET - **Opportunity For All: Rewarding Hard Work* > > > > *Raising the Minimum Wage through Executive Order to $10.10 for Federal > Contract Workers* > > *& Calling on Congress to Finish the Job for All Workers by Passing the > Harkin-Miller Bill* > > > > Today, continuing to fulfill his promise to make 2014 a year of action, the > President will sign an Executive Order to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 > for federal contract workers. > > > > The Executive Order the President will sign today will benefit hundreds of > thousands of people working under contracts with the federal government who > are making less than $10.10 an hour. It will also improve the value that > taxpayers are getting from the federal government's investment. Studies > show that boosting low wages will reduce turnover and absenteeism, while > also boosting morale and improving the incentives for workers, leading to > higher productivity overall. These gains improve the quality and efficiency > of services provided to the government. > > > > In his State of the Union Address, President Obama pledged to both take > executive action wherever he can and work with Congress to increase > opportunity for all Americans. Consistent with that pledge, the President > will continue to work with Congress to finish the job to raise the minimum > wage for all Americans and pass the Harkin-Miller bill so that all workers > can be paid at least a $10.10 minimum wage. > > > > * Details of the Executive Order * > > > > Ø *The Executive Order will raise the minimum wage to $10.10 effective for > new contracts beginning January 1, 2015. *The higher wage will apply to > new contracts and replacements for expiring contracts. Boosting wages will > lower turnover and absenteeism, and increase morale and productivity > overall. Raising wages for those at the bottom will improve the quality and > efficiency of services provided to the government. > > > > Ø *Benefits hundreds of thousands of hardworking Americans. *There are > hundreds of thousands of people working under contracts with the federal > government to provide services or construction who are currently making > less than $10.10 an hour. Some examples of the hardworking people who > would see their wages go up under this Executive Order include nursing > assistants providing care to our veterans at nursing homes, concessions > workers in National Parks, people serving food to our troops, and > individuals with disabilities working to maintain the grounds on military > bases. > > > > Ø *Includes an increase in the tipped minimum wage. *This executive order > also includes provisions to make sure that tipped workers earn at least > $10.10 overall, through a combination of tips and an employer > contribution. Employers are currently required to pay a minimum base wage > of $2.13 per hour, a base that has remained unchanged for over twenty > years, and if a worker's tips do not add up to the minimum wage, the > employer must make up the difference. Under the Executive Order, employers > are required to ensure that tipped workers earn at least $10.10 an hour. > The Executive Order requires that employers pay a minimum base wage of > $4.90 for new contracts and replacements for expiring contracts put out for > bid after January 1, 2015. That amount increases by 95 cents per year > until it reaches 70 percent of the regular minimum wage, and if a worker's > tips do not add up to at least $10.10, the employer will be required to pay > the difference. > > > > Ø *Covers individuals with disabilities. * Under current law, workers > whose productivity is affected because of their disabilities may be paid > less than the wage paid to others doing the same job under certain > specialized certificate programs. Under this Executive Order, all > individuals working under service or concessions contracts with the federal > government will be covered by the same $10.10 per hour minimum wage > protections. > > > > Ø *Improves value for the federal government and taxpayers.* One study > showed that when Maryland passed its living wage law for companies > contracting with the state, there was an increase in the number of > contractors bidding and higher competition can help ensure better quality. > The increase will take effect for new contracts and replacements for > expiring contracts put out for bid after the effective date of the order, > so contractors will have time to prepare and price their bids accordingly. > > > > *Continuing to Work With Congress, States and Localities to Help All > Workers* > > > > The President is using his executive authority to lead by example, and will > continue to work with Congress to raise the minimum wage for all Americans > by passing the Harkin-Miller bill. The bill would raise the Federal minimum > wage for working Americans in stages to $10.10 and index it to inflation > thereafter, while also raising the minimum wage for tipped workers for the > first time in over 20 years. The President will also continue to support > and encourage state, local and private sector efforts to increase wages and > help more working families. > > > > § *Businesses like Costco have supported past increases to the minimum > wage because it helps build a strong workforce and profitability over the > long run*. Low wages are also bad for business, as paying low wages lowers > employee morale, encourages low productivity, and leads to frequent > employee turnover--all of which impose costs. > > > > § *Across the country, Americans are saying it's time to raise the minimum > wage.* The President believes that it's time for action, and people across > the country agree. Since the President called for an increase in the > minimum wage in last year's State of the Union, five states have passed > laws increasing their minimum wage. And many businesses, from small > businesses to large corporations, see higher wages as the right way to > boost productivity and reduce turnover and therefore boost their > profitability. > > > > § *Raising the minimum wage is good for government, good for business and > workers and key to a stronger economy.* A range of economic studies show > that modestly raising the minimum wage increases earnings and reduces > poverty without jeopardizing employment. Higher wages can also boost > productivity, increase morale, reduce costs and improve efficiency. > > > > § *Raising the minimum wage will make sure no family of four with a > full-time worker has to raise their children in poverty.* It has been seven > years since Congress last acted to increase the minimum wage and, adjusted > for inflation, today the real value of minimum wage is roughly the same as > what it was in the 1950s, despite the fact that the typical American > family's income has doubled since then. And right now a full-time minimum > wage worker makes $14,500 a year, which leaves too many families struggling > to make ends meet. Even after accounting for programs like the Earned > Income Tax Credit, a family of four supported by a minimum wage worker > still ends up living below the poverty line. > > > > § *Indexing the minimum wage to inflation would help lower-income workers > keep up in the future.* Since it was first established in 1938, the minimum > wage has been increased 22 times, but was eroded substantially over several > prolonged periods between increases because of inflation. Indexing would > prevent a repeat of the 34 percent decline in the real value of the minimum > wage from 1978 to 1989 and the 19 percent decline in real value from 1998 > to 2006, as well as the 40 percent decline in the real value of the base > wage for tipped workers since it was last raised in 1991. Last year alone, > workers earning the minimum wage basically got the equivalent of a $200 pay > cut because the minimum wage stayed the same while the cost of living went > up. Democrats and Republicans agree that indexing the minimum wage to > inflation would ensure that working families can keep up with expenses. > Unfortunately, those families will continue suffer if Congress continues to > not act. > > > > § *Helping parents make ends meet.* Around 60 percent of workers who would > benefit from a higher minimum wage are women. Less than 20 percent are > teenagers. Also, those workers who would benefit from an increase in the > minimum wage brought home 46 percent of their household's total wage and > salary income in 2011. Raising the minimum wage directly helps parents > make ends meet and support their families. > > > > ### > _______________________________________________ > Nabs-presidents mailing list > Nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-presidents_nfbnet.org From ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 14:51:58 2014 From: ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com (ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:51:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] People with Disabilities Included in President Obama's Executive Order In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79ACB4B6-7186-4057-8A8D-A41B37A5BD30@gmail.com> I think that raising the minimum wage for people is good, except it does not account for those on disability or SSI. Since other items in the economy such as groceries and household items will be going up in price due to the minimum wage going up in price people on SSI will be struggling even more. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Rose Sloan wrote: > > Students: > > > Below, please see a recent press release from the While House. President > Obama plans to include people with disabilities in his executive order to > raise the minimum wage for federal contract workers. > > > Thanks for all your work, > > > Rose > > > THE WHITE HOUSE > > Office of the Press Secretary > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > February 12, 2014 > > > > *FACT SHEET - **Opportunity For All: Rewarding Hard Work* > > > > *Raising the Minimum Wage through Executive Order to $10.10 for Federal > Contract Workers* > > *& Calling on Congress to Finish the Job for All Workers by Passing the > Harkin-Miller Bill* > > > > Today, continuing to fulfill his promise to make 2014 a year of action, the > President will sign an Executive Order to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 > for federal contract workers. > > > > The Executive Order the President will sign today will benefit hundreds of > thousands of people working under contracts with the federal government who > are making less than $10.10 an hour. It will also improve the value that > taxpayers are getting from the federal government's investment. Studies > show that boosting low wages will reduce turnover and absenteeism, while > also boosting morale and improving the incentives for workers, leading to > higher productivity overall. These gains improve the quality and efficiency > of services provided to the government. > > > > In his State of the Union Address, President Obama pledged to both take > executive action wherever he can and work with Congress to increase > opportunity for all Americans. Consistent with that pledge, the President > will continue to work with Congress to finish the job to raise the minimum > wage for all Americans and pass the Harkin-Miller bill so that all workers > can be paid at least a $10.10 minimum wage. > > > > * Details of the Executive Order * > > > > Ø *The Executive Order will raise the minimum wage to $10.10 effective for > new contracts beginning January 1, 2015. *The higher wage will apply to > new contracts and replacements for expiring contracts. Boosting wages will > lower turnover and absenteeism, and increase morale and productivity > overall. Raising wages for those at the bottom will improve the quality and > efficiency of services provided to the government. > > > > Ø *Benefits hundreds of thousands of hardworking Americans. *There are > hundreds of thousands of people working under contracts with the federal > government to provide services or construction who are currently making > less than $10.10 an hour. Some examples of the hardworking people who > would see their wages go up under this Executive Order include nursing > assistants providing care to our veterans at nursing homes, concessions > workers in National Parks, people serving food to our troops, and > individuals with disabilities working to maintain the grounds on military > bases. > > > > Ø *Includes an increase in the tipped minimum wage. *This executive order > also includes provisions to make sure that tipped workers earn at least > $10.10 overall, through a combination of tips and an employer > contribution. Employers are currently required to pay a minimum base wage > of $2.13 per hour, a base that has remained unchanged for over twenty > years, and if a worker's tips do not add up to the minimum wage, the > employer must make up the difference. Under the Executive Order, employers > are required to ensure that tipped workers earn at least $10.10 an hour. > The Executive Order requires that employers pay a minimum base wage of > $4.90 for new contracts and replacements for expiring contracts put out for > bid after January 1, 2015. That amount increases by 95 cents per year > until it reaches 70 percent of the regular minimum wage, and if a worker's > tips do not add up to at least $10.10, the employer will be required to pay > the difference. > > > > Ø *Covers individuals with disabilities. * Under current law, workers > whose productivity is affected because of their disabilities may be paid > less than the wage paid to others doing the same job under certain > specialized certificate programs. Under this Executive Order, all > individuals working under service or concessions contracts with the federal > government will be covered by the same $10.10 per hour minimum wage > protections. > > > > Ø *Improves value for the federal government and taxpayers.* One study > showed that when Maryland passed its living wage law for companies > contracting with the state, there was an increase in the number of > contractors bidding and higher competition can help ensure better quality. > The increase will take effect for new contracts and replacements for > expiring contracts put out for bid after the effective date of the order, > so contractors will have time to prepare and price their bids accordingly. > > > > *Continuing to Work With Congress, States and Localities to Help All > Workers* > > > > The President is using his executive authority to lead by example, and will > continue to work with Congress to raise the minimum wage for all Americans > by passing the Harkin-Miller bill. The bill would raise the Federal minimum > wage for working Americans in stages to $10.10 and index it to inflation > thereafter, while also raising the minimum wage for tipped workers for the > first time in over 20 years. The President will also continue to support > and encourage state, local and private sector efforts to increase wages and > help more working families. > > > > § *Businesses like Costco have supported past increases to the minimum > wage because it helps build a strong workforce and profitability over the > long run*. Low wages are also bad for business, as paying low wages lowers > employee morale, encourages low productivity, and leads to frequent > employee turnover--all of which impose costs. > > > > § *Across the country, Americans are saying it's time to raise the minimum > wage.* The President believes that it's time for action, and people across > the country agree. Since the President called for an increase in the > minimum wage in last year's State of the Union, five states have passed > laws increasing their minimum wage. And many businesses, from small > businesses to large corporations, see higher wages as the right way to > boost productivity and reduce turnover and therefore boost their > profitability. > > > > § *Raising the minimum wage is good for government, good for business and > workers and key to a stronger economy.* A range of economic studies show > that modestly raising the minimum wage increases earnings and reduces > poverty without jeopardizing employment. Higher wages can also boost > productivity, increase morale, reduce costs and improve efficiency. > > > > § *Raising the minimum wage will make sure no family of four with a > full-time worker has to raise their children in poverty.* It has been seven > years since Congress last acted to increase the minimum wage and, adjusted > for inflation, today the real value of minimum wage is roughly the same as > what it was in the 1950s, despite the fact that the typical American > family's income has doubled since then. And right now a full-time minimum > wage worker makes $14,500 a year, which leaves too many families struggling > to make ends meet. Even after accounting for programs like the Earned > Income Tax Credit, a family of four supported by a minimum wage worker > still ends up living below the poverty line. > > > > § *Indexing the minimum wage to inflation would help lower-income workers > keep up in the future.* Since it was first established in 1938, the minimum > wage has been increased 22 times, but was eroded substantially over several > prolonged periods between increases because of inflation. Indexing would > prevent a repeat of the 34 percent decline in the real value of the minimum > wage from 1978 to 1989 and the 19 percent decline in real value from 1998 > to 2006, as well as the 40 percent decline in the real value of the base > wage for tipped workers since it was last raised in 1991. Last year alone, > workers earning the minimum wage basically got the equivalent of a $200 pay > cut because the minimum wage stayed the same while the cost of living went > up. Democrats and Republicans agree that indexing the minimum wage to > inflation would ensure that working families can keep up with expenses. > Unfortunately, those families will continue suffer if Congress continues to > not act. > > > > § *Helping parents make ends meet.* Around 60 percent of workers who would > benefit from a higher minimum wage are women. Less than 20 percent are > teenagers. Also, those workers who would benefit from an increase in the > minimum wage brought home 46 percent of their household's total wage and > salary income in 2011. Raising the minimum wage directly helps parents > make ends meet and support their families. > > > > ### > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ichoosechrist2%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 15:08:14 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:08:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Good Luck To All Braille Challenge Participants Message-ID: <52fb8e6f.a2e3ec0a.6375.ffffddd6@mx.google.com> Good Morning To All, Good luck to all those participating in the 2014 Braille Challenge. I just looked at the agenda for the East Florida event that was held in Orlando last week. I hope everyone had a wonderful time. From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 15:10:23 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:10:23 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] People with Disabilities Included in President Obama's Executive Order In-Reply-To: <79ACB4B6-7186-4057-8A8D-A41B37A5BD30@gmail.com> References: <79ACB4B6-7186-4057-8A8D-A41B37A5BD30@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003A0293-6AEA-4C8E-AA25-DD848DF31F78@gmail.com> In the beginning years of the federation, we fought for the chances of the blind to find their way off of public assistance. Many blind people believed that a life that only included this as a sole source of income was the only life for them. Today, we continue to make sure that those who can work get the opportunity to do so and are properly compensated for their work. This is important if we want to insure the blind of today and of the future the incentive to work over the life of dependency on government assistance. I believe this to be consistent to the long-standing efforts of the federation in this area Darian On Feb 12, 2014, at 6:51 AM, ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com wrote: > I think that raising the minimum wage for people is good, except it does not account for those on disability or SSI. Since other items in the economy such as groceries and household items will be going up in price due to the minimum wage going up in price people on SSI will be struggling even more. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 12, 2014, at 7:39 AM, Rose Sloan wrote: >> >> Students: >> >> >> Below, please see a recent press release from the While House. President >> Obama plans to include people with disabilities in his executive order to >> raise the minimum wage for federal contract workers. >> >> >> Thanks for all your work, >> >> >> Rose >> >> >> THE WHITE HOUSE >> >> Office of the Press Secretary >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >> February 12, 2014 >> >> >> >> *FACT SHEET - **Opportunity For All: Rewarding Hard Work* >> >> >> >> *Raising the Minimum Wage through Executive Order to $10.10 for Federal >> Contract Workers* >> >> *& Calling on Congress to Finish the Job for All Workers by Passing the >> Harkin-Miller Bill* >> >> >> >> Today, continuing to fulfill his promise to make 2014 a year of action, the >> President will sign an Executive Order to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 >> for federal contract workers. >> >> >> >> The Executive Order the President will sign today will benefit hundreds of >> thousands of people working under contracts with the federal government who >> are making less than $10.10 an hour. It will also improve the value that >> taxpayers are getting from the federal government's investment. Studies >> show that boosting low wages will reduce turnover and absenteeism, while >> also boosting morale and improving the incentives for workers, leading to >> higher productivity overall. These gains improve the quality and efficiency >> of services provided to the government. >> >> >> >> In his State of the Union Address, President Obama pledged to both take >> executive action wherever he can and work with Congress to increase >> opportunity for all Americans. Consistent with that pledge, the President >> will continue to work with Congress to finish the job to raise the minimum >> wage for all Americans and pass the Harkin-Miller bill so that all workers >> can be paid at least a $10.10 minimum wage. >> >> >> >> * Details of the Executive Order * >> >> >> >> Ø *The Executive Order will raise the minimum wage to $10.10 effective for >> new contracts beginning January 1, 2015. *The higher wage will apply to >> new contracts and replacements for expiring contracts. Boosting wages will >> lower turnover and absenteeism, and increase morale and productivity >> overall. Raising wages for those at the bottom will improve the quality and >> efficiency of services provided to the government. >> >> >> >> Ø *Benefits hundreds of thousands of hardworking Americans. *There are >> hundreds of thousands of people working under contracts with the federal >> government to provide services or construction who are currently making >> less than $10.10 an hour. Some examples of the hardworking people who >> would see their wages go up under this Executive Order include nursing >> assistants providing care to our veterans at nursing homes, concessions >> workers in National Parks, people serving food to our troops, and >> individuals with disabilities working to maintain the grounds on military >> bases. >> >> >> >> Ø *Includes an increase in the tipped minimum wage. *This executive order >> also includes provisions to make sure that tipped workers earn at least >> $10.10 overall, through a combination of tips and an employer >> contribution. Employers are currently required to pay a minimum base wage >> of $2.13 per hour, a base that has remained unchanged for over twenty >> years, and if a worker's tips do not add up to the minimum wage, the >> employer must make up the difference. Under the Executive Order, employers >> are required to ensure that tipped workers earn at least $10.10 an hour. >> The Executive Order requires that employers pay a minimum base wage of >> $4.90 for new contracts and replacements for expiring contracts put out for >> bid after January 1, 2015. That amount increases by 95 cents per year >> until it reaches 70 percent of the regular minimum wage, and if a worker's >> tips do not add up to at least $10.10, the employer will be required to pay >> the difference. >> >> >> >> Ø *Covers individuals with disabilities. * Under current law, workers >> whose productivity is affected because of their disabilities may be paid >> less than the wage paid to others doing the same job under certain >> specialized certificate programs. Under this Executive Order, all >> individuals working under service or concessions contracts with the federal >> government will be covered by the same $10.10 per hour minimum wage >> protections. >> >> >> >> Ø *Improves value for the federal government and taxpayers.* One study >> showed that when Maryland passed its living wage law for companies >> contracting with the state, there was an increase in the number of >> contractors bidding and higher competition can help ensure better quality. >> The increase will take effect for new contracts and replacements for >> expiring contracts put out for bid after the effective date of the order, >> so contractors will have time to prepare and price their bids accordingly. >> >> >> >> *Continuing to Work With Congress, States and Localities to Help All >> Workers* >> >> >> >> The President is using his executive authority to lead by example, and will >> continue to work with Congress to raise the minimum wage for all Americans >> by passing the Harkin-Miller bill. The bill would raise the Federal minimum >> wage for working Americans in stages to $10.10 and index it to inflation >> thereafter, while also raising the minimum wage for tipped workers for the >> first time in over 20 years. The President will also continue to support >> and encourage state, local and private sector efforts to increase wages and >> help more working families. >> >> >> >> § *Businesses like Costco have supported past increases to the minimum >> wage because it helps build a strong workforce and profitability over the >> long run*. Low wages are also bad for business, as paying low wages lowers >> employee morale, encourages low productivity, and leads to frequent >> employee turnover--all of which impose costs. >> >> >> >> § *Across the country, Americans are saying it's time to raise the minimum >> wage.* The President believes that it's time for action, and people across >> the country agree. Since the President called for an increase in the >> minimum wage in last year's State of the Union, five states have passed >> laws increasing their minimum wage. And many businesses, from small >> businesses to large corporations, see higher wages as the right way to >> boost productivity and reduce turnover and therefore boost their >> profitability. >> >> >> >> § *Raising the minimum wage is good for government, good for business and >> workers and key to a stronger economy.* A range of economic studies show >> that modestly raising the minimum wage increases earnings and reduces >> poverty without jeopardizing employment. Higher wages can also boost >> productivity, increase morale, reduce costs and improve efficiency. >> >> >> >> § *Raising the minimum wage will make sure no family of four with a >> full-time worker has to raise their children in poverty.* It has been seven >> years since Congress last acted to increase the minimum wage and, adjusted >> for inflation, today the real value of minimum wage is roughly the same as >> what it was in the 1950s, despite the fact that the typical American >> family's income has doubled since then. And right now a full-time minimum >> wage worker makes $14,500 a year, which leaves too many families struggling >> to make ends meet. Even after accounting for programs like the Earned >> Income Tax Credit, a family of four supported by a minimum wage worker >> still ends up living below the poverty line. >> >> >> >> § *Indexing the minimum wage to inflation would help lower-income workers >> keep up in the future.* Since it was first established in 1938, the minimum >> wage has been increased 22 times, but was eroded substantially over several >> prolonged periods between increases because of inflation. Indexing would >> prevent a repeat of the 34 percent decline in the real value of the minimum >> wage from 1978 to 1989 and the 19 percent decline in real value from 1998 >> to 2006, as well as the 40 percent decline in the real value of the base >> wage for tipped workers since it was last raised in 1991. Last year alone, >> workers earning the minimum wage basically got the equivalent of a $200 pay >> cut because the minimum wage stayed the same while the cost of living went >> up. Democrats and Republicans agree that indexing the minimum wage to >> inflation would ensure that working families can keep up with expenses. >> Unfortunately, those families will continue suffer if Congress continues to >> not act. >> >> >> >> § *Helping parents make ends meet.* Around 60 percent of workers who would >> benefit from a higher minimum wage are women. Less than 20 percent are >> teenagers. Also, those workers who would benefit from an increase in the >> minimum wage brought home 46 percent of their household's total wage and >> salary income in 2011. Raising the minimum wage directly helps parents >> make ends meet and support their families. >> >> >> >> ### >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ichoosechrist2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 15:10:39 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:10:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] People with Disabilities Included in President Obama'sExecutive Order Message-ID: <52fb8f00.24a4ec0a.7891.ffffd690@mx.google.com> I think raising the minimum wage for people with disabilities is wonderful. Our President is working hard to promote the awareness of individuals with disabilities. Thanks for posting this press release to the Nabs list. From fowlers at syix.com Wed Feb 12 15:10:23 2014 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela Fowler) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:10:23 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Apply now for the 2014 Chemistry Camp Message-ID: <00bc01cf2804$8d6e25a0$a84a70e0$@syix.com> Announcing the 2014 California Chemistry Camp for Blind and Visually Impaired High School Students! Would you like to learn how blind people tackle the very visual subject of organic chemistry successfully? Do you have a general love for science? Do you want to learn how you can do chemistry as a blind person just as successfully as your sighted peers? Do you want to apply the chemistry you learned to food such as olive oil? Are you interested in how blind professionals use science in their careers every day? Then the 2014 California Chemistry Camp is for you! Come join Accessible Science for an Educational, exciting, and Fun-Filled weekend of hands-on science! When: Friday, May 2, 2014 through Sunday, May 4, 2014. Where: Enchanted Hills Camp near Napa, California. Who: Up to fifteen blind high school students ages 14-18 will be selected to participate. Cost: There is no cost to apply for the program. Accessible Science is a 501(c)(3) organization with the purpose of providing accessible educational opportunities. While programming is provided at no cost to participants, everyone is encouraged to make a tax deductible donation to support current and future programs of Accessible Science. Only through the generosity of our supporters can we provide our programs at no cost. During this exciting and busy 3-day experience, students will get to learn how blind and visually impaired people use chemistry in their careers, they will explore techniques used by blind people to make chemistry accessible, they will perform hands-on accessible chemistry experiments, they will apply the chemistry they learned to some basic cooking and olive oil chemistry, see the chemistry they learned turned into action with an exhilarating magic show, and talk with blind and sighted scientists who use science as a mainstay of their careers. The students will also be able to participate in recreational activities. Exciting evening activities are planned. Note that students need not only love science to apply. This will be a learning experience for everyone! Throughout the weekend, students will have quality time to socialize with each other and with blind mentors and instructors. Students will be put into groups of three and each group of three will work with a blind mentor. The blind mentor will act as a role model for the students during the course of the weekend and participate in all activities with them. Transportation will be provided to Enchanted Hills Camp from pick-up points in the San Francisco bay area and at pick-up points in Sacramento. Transportation will leave the pick-up points in both the bay area and Sacramento around 2 PM on Friday, May 2 and will be dropped off at the same points at about 4 PM on Sunday, May 4. Adults affiliated with the chemistry camp will wait at pick-up points until all children are accounted for by their parents or legal guardians. Parents are also more than welcome to provide their child with transportation directly to the camp if they wish. If parents drive their children, they should plan to arrive at the camp near Napa, California around 3 PM on Friday and be back at the camp to pick up their children at around 2 PM on Sunday. To apply, please visit: http://www.accessiblescience.org/node/5 Note that this is a preliminary application. If applicants are selected to move on in the process, the student and/or parent or legal guardian may be interviewed via telephone. Once a student has been accepted to participate, they will be notified by email or phone. Once students are accepted, the parents or legal guardian of the student will be sent several permission release and safety forms to be signed and returned Logistical specifics of the camp such as transportation, dietary allergies, a more precise schedule, and health concerns will be discussed at this time. Note that if we do not receive all permission forms signed by the parent or legal guardian of a student by the time of the camp, the student will NOT be able to participate in the camp. We hope to see you this spring at Enchanted Hills! If you have any questions, contact Angela Fowler Director of planning, Accessible Science Email: fowlers at syix.com Phone: 530-902-0987 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Announcing the 2014 California Chemistry Camp for Blind and Visually Impaired High School Students.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 16607 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rosesloan920 at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 15:42:23 2014 From: rosesloan920 at gmail.com (Rose Sloan) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:42:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Press Release: NFB Commends President Obama for Executive Order on Wages Message-ID: *FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE* *CONTACT:* Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) Cdanielsen at nfb.rg *National Federation of the Blind Commends President Obama for Executive Order on Wages* *Order Ensures Economic Mobility for Federal Contract Employees with Disabilities* *Baltimore, Maryland (February 12, 2014):* The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) commented today on President Obama's executive order requiring a wage floor of $10.10 for individuals employed under all new federal contracts, including workers with disabilities who are currently excluded from minimum wage protections under special certificate programs. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "President Obama's courageous action today is a tremendous victory for federal contract workers with disabilities, and we wholeheartedly applaud the spectacular step forward that this new executive order represents. The National Federation of the Blind commends President Obama for recognizing the value of workers with disabilities and ensuring that these workers can take advantage of the same opportunity for economic mobility as their nondisabled co-workers. We urge Congress to finish the work that President Obama has begun by passing the Fair Wages for Workers with Disabilities Act (H.R. 831) to ensure that all workers with disabilities, not just those working under federal contracts, will no longer be subjected to the antiquated and discriminatory practice of being paid less than the federal minimum wage." *###* *About the National Federation of the Blind* The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) is the oldest, largest, and most influential nationwide membership organization of blind people in the United States. Founded in 1940, the NFB advocates for the civil rights and equality of blind Americans, and develops innovative education, technology, and training programs to provide the blind and those who are losing vision with the tools they need to become independent and successful. From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 16:07:05 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:07:05 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Press Release: NFB Commends President Obama for Executive Order on Wages References: Message-ID: <9F22CCCA-B184-407A-B272-6AC62EC1563C@gmail.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: Rose Sloan > Subject: [nabs-l] Press Release: NFB Commends President Obama for Executive Order on Wages > Date: February 12, 2014 at 7:42:23 AM PST > To: "il-talk at nfbnet.org" , List for NABS State Presidents , nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Reply-To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > *FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE* > > > > *CONTACT:* > > Chris Danielsen > > Director of Public Relations > > National Federation of the Blind > > (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > > (410) 262-1281 (Cell) > > Cdanielsen at nfb.rg > > > > > *National Federation of the Blind Commends President Obama for Executive > Order on Wages* > > > > *Order Ensures Economic Mobility for Federal Contract Employees with > Disabilities* > > > > *Baltimore, Maryland (February 12, 2014):* The National Federation of the > Blind (NFB) commented today on President Obama's > executive order requiring a wage floor of $10.10 for individuals employed > under all new federal contracts, including workers with disabilities who > are currently excluded from minimum wage protections under special > certificate programs. > > > > Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the > Blind, > said: "President Obama's courageous action today is a tremendous victory > for federal contract workers with disabilities, and we wholeheartedly > applaud the spectacular step forward that this new executive order > represents. The National Federation of the Blind commends President Obama > for recognizing the value of workers with disabilities and ensuring that > these workers can take advantage of the same opportunity for economic > mobility as their nondisabled co-workers. We urge Congress to finish the > work that President Obama has begun by passing the Fair Wages for Workers > with Disabilities Act (H.R. 831) to ensure > that all workers with disabilities, not just those working under federal > contracts, will no longer be subjected to the antiquated and discriminatory > practice of being paid less than the federal minimum wage." > > > > > > *###* > > > > > > *About the National Federation of the Blind* > > > The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) is the oldest, largest, and most > influential nationwide membership organization of blind people in the > United States. Founded in 1940, the NFB advocates for the civil rights and > equality of blind Americans, and develops innovative education, technology, > and training programs to provide the blind and those who are losing vision > with the tools they need to become independent and successful. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Feb 12 20:38:00 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:38:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] An Update On The Teach Act Petition Message-ID: <52fbdbb8.d105ec0a.7648.ffff88ad@mx.google.com> Dear Nabs Members, I hope this message finds you all well. I just wanted to know how things are going with the Teach Act Petition. I have another question for anyone on the Student Slate Committee. Do you know when the Winter issue will be posted on the web site? From jsoro620 at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 01:31:59 2014 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 20:31:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] People with Disabilities Included in President Obama'sExecutive Order In-Reply-To: <52fb8f00.24a4ec0a.7891.ffffd690@mx.google.com> References: <52fb8f00.24a4ec0a.7891.ffffd690@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001401cf285b$64672510$2d356f30$@gmail.com> Raising the minimum wage in of itself is a joke, because as the minimum wage goes up, so does the cost of living. I do hope that persons with disabilities actually get paid the minimum wage we do have. I'm referring to those sheltered workshops where the original cause for this push stemmed from. -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Baccchus Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:11 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] People with Disabilities Included in President Obama'sExecutive Order I think raising the minimum wage for people with disabilities is wonderful. Our President is working hard to promote the awareness of individuals with disabilities. Thanks for posting this press release to the Nabs list. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Thu Feb 13 02:23:33 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 20:23:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: BAUM USA Message-ID: > >David >Bradburn >President at Baum Retec, Inc. > > >Hello David, > >As you may know through updates on LinkedIn, I now represent BAUM >Retec, Inc. ( BAUM USA ), the US division of German manufacturer >BAUM Retec AG. As you may also know, BAUM has been in the business >of technology for people who are blind or visually impaired for 35 >years. You might also know that they have been producing braille >displays and braille notetakers for other companies in the industry. >The purpose of BAUM USA is to provide sales and support for BAUM >products to customers in the USA. We are headquartered in the Boston >area and have staff in Massachusetts and California at this time. > >I'm reaching out to moderators of various lists, including those at >nfbnet.org, to ask if we might join and/or post a short greeting. We >want to be respectful of list owners and the list membership at >large. If short posts from vendors are not welcome, we will >understand. Amy Ruell is working with us and she indicated that you >can sometimes post messages to any appropriate lists. > >The type of message we'd like to send follows below my signature. > >Do you think this might be possible on some of the lists you manage? >We're not looking to make sales pitches, but we'd very much >appreciate an opportunity to let people know we are here. > >Best regards, >David Bradburn > > >Greetings, > >This is a short note of introduction from BAUM USA, the US division >for German manufacturer BAUM Retec AG. We appreciate that you have a >number of companies to choose from when considering technology such >as braille displays, braille notetakers, etc., and invite you to >consider BAUM USA when making your next investment in technology. > >If you'd like to learn more we invite you to visit our web site at >www.baumusa.com, or call toll free to (855) 620-7985. You can also >email me at dbradburn at baumusa.com and I'll follow up with you directly. > >Thank you, >David Bradburn > > >Reply >to David > From Emily.Wharton at blind.state.ia.us Thu Feb 13 03:43:55 2014 From: Emily.Wharton at blind.state.ia.us (Emily Wharton) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:43:55 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: rehabilitation technology specialist Iowa Message-ID: Job Title REHABILITATION TECHNOLOGY SPECIALIST Auto req ID 13285BR Location Polk County Department 131-Department for the Blind Salary Minimum $48,464 Salary Maximum $75,192 Job Description This is a courtesy posting for a non-merit position. Please follow instructions in the "To Apply" section for directions on how to apply for this position. The Department for the Blind (IDB) is seeking applicants for a position that will provide training and technical support to department staff, ensuring that blind and sighted employees receive quality training, appropriate access to information and resources, and timely problem resolution. Maintain department's web site and intranet; testing for accessibility and usability. Assist in the production of accessible forms and documents. Duties and responsibilities to include the following: * Troubleshoot user technical problems in the use of Microsoft Office, iPhones, JAWS and other screen readers, ZoomText and other magnification software, printers, scanners, braille displays, OCR software, and other common applications and peripherals. * Provide small group and one-on-one training on new software, hardware, systems, workflows, and assistive technology to staff. * Perform regular updates to the web site and intranet. * Maintain software and hardware inventories and track licenses and serial numbers. * Assist in the production of accessible PDF's and Microsoft Word forms. Competencies required for this position are: * Knowledge of Microsoft Office 2010, Windows 7, basic PC maintenance, and basic Windows networking principles. * Knowledge of or ability to learn JAWS, Window-Eyes, ZoomText, and other screen reading software. * Ability to install and troubleshoot printers, braille embossers, braille displays, scanners, and other peripherals. * Ability to plan and conduct small group trainings and give presentations to groups. * Interest in new technology and a passion for learning. * Ability to demonstrate or develop positive and realistic attitudes toward blindness. * Can speak and write clearly about technical matters to both technical and non-technical audiences. * Displays good organization skills. * Can teach oneself new technologies and use resources to keep knowledge current. * Displays high standards of ethical conduct. Exhibits honesty and integrity. * Works and communicates with internal and external clients and customers to meet their needs in a polite, courteous, and cooperative manner and is committed to quality service. * Displays a high level of initiative, effort, and commitment towards completing assignments efficiently. * Works with minimal supervision. * Demonstrates responsible behavior and attention to detail. * Competencies Preferred * Experience with the Drupal CMS Minimum Qualifications Graduation from an accredited college or university with major coursework in civil, industrial, mechanical, architectural, electrical or rehabilitation engineering and experience equal to one year of full-time work in the design, development and fabrication of mechanical or electrical components or assemblies for products such as industrial equipment, machinery, power equipment, service systems, machine tools and measuring instruments. For additional ways to qualify, please click on this link to view the job description and minimum qualifications. Additional Qualifications Post Close Date 21-Feb-2014 To Apply: Positions in this class are exempt from the screening and referral requirements of the Iowa Department of Administrative Services - Human Resources Enterprise. Applications to DAS-HRE only, will not be considered. For further information, contact Emily Wharton, 515-281-1361 or 800-362-2587. Persons who wish to be considered for this position must submit a resume and letter of application to: Emily Wharton Iowa Department for the Blind 524 Fourth Street Des Moines, IA 50309 OR email emily.wharton at blind.state.ia.us All applicants need to apply by 5:00pm, February 21, 2014. NOTE: This is a courtesy posting for a non merit position. Applications sent only through this DAS -HRE website will not be considered. https://sjobs.brassring.com/TGWebHost/jobdetails.aspx?SID=%5ei2KRh2flzSEZGarr6%2fiyXR7R8Srpv4r6dxwF%2f%2frF4FfJEK7gf0Hvh2m80S31YL_slp_rhc_Q&type=search From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 03:50:47 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 22:50:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough In-Reply-To: <008001cf27a2$83c03230$8b409690$@net> References: <00cb01cf2783$ac0c73d0$04255b70$@gmail.com> <008001cf27a2$83c03230$8b409690$@net> Message-ID: Hi Lillie, It is totally fine to give initial help with touring the student around the school and the other things you've described, but make it clear that with your schedule next year that you might not be able to be as present in dooing things like teaching her routes later on, tutoring, etc. It sounds like you're planning in the right direction. Maybe later on even with your schedule and rigorous schedule you could still be available over email. That way you could still be helpful even if you aren't able to physically be there to show her things. You're right that junior year is very busy, and I was always told it is the hardest year of high school simply because it is when the majority of AP classes happen, it is when you start getting your college stuff together, etc. Do what you can do, and don't be afraid to put yourself first. On 2/11/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > Hello Joe and all, > > You have a very, very good point here. I probably jumped the gun a little > in > sending this message and worrying about this. I like to be prepared for any > situation that could arise from anything. The possibility of working with > this student had also been discussed between me and an old TVI about a year > ago. > After reading the messages in this thread, I have sort of developed a sort > of rough draft for a plan that I may execute to find out what what is > desired of me at this point to do, and at future points. > When I get my approved course list some time next week, I plan to give it > to my TVI as he has previously requested. I may ask some point in this > time > period if this student has any idea of her schedule yet. Hopefully more > information will be given, and I will also ask if she has any questions (I > had conveyed a message to her yesterday to send a list of questions so I > could see where she was at and I could provide more detailed, thought out > answers.) I may say something like, I know that I can help her now, but > because of my schedule I am not sure how much I can help with anything next > year, and then see where it is going from there. > > Thank you everyone for your support and I will let you all know if anything > comes of this. > Lillie > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 6:48 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough > > Aren't the fears here a little premature? According to your note, all > you've > been asked to do is give a tour. The rest is just a concern over what you > might be asked to do. I would wait for some evidence that the expectations > of you are higher before making a leap from a tour to constant tutoring. > That way you don't potentially embarrass yourself over something the > teacher > may not have ever planned on you handling. To offer a different prospective > from others, you could view it as flattering that you've been asked to show > the student around, that you're viewed as someone competent enough to be > counted upon to take care of this task. Just a thought. > > Joe > > -- > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > Visit my blog: > http://joeorozco.com/blog > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie > Pennington > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:18 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring a younger student; when enough is enough > > > > Hello all > I know my subject and message may sound heartless, and I apologize. > There is a blind student a few years younger than me in my school district > that will be attending my high school next year. I have helped this student > by serving as a guide in going to middle school programs. My vi asked if I > would do a tour of the high school and answer questions. This is fine with > me. > My fear is that I will be asked to help with some sort of tutoring. I do > not > feel I can do this. This student has multiple disabilities, I am not a > teacher, and I will have a rigorous class schedule plus dealing with > responsibilities with junior year. I have mentioned this to my parents and > parra, who i feel are supporting me. However, I am afraid my vi will not > understand my reasons or misconstrue them for me being rude, which I do not > want to do. I do not want to say this to early and be presumptuous, but I > do > not want to be misleading. Thank you for any advice. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From ligne14 at verizon.net Thu Feb 13 16:08:25 2014 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (sami osborne) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:08:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] camp in New York? Message-ID: <0N0X008RWZJ1KP60@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Hi all. This summer, I am going to a camp at Manhattanville College in New York, where I live. This camp is called a "pre-college camp". In other words, it is for getting ready for college. I think they teach you all the skills you need for college, like cooking and cleaning and stuff like that, and they also do recreational activities, such as music. Fortunately for me, this camp is only 4 weeks long and not the whole summer. That is fortunate because going to France to see my family is, for me, one of the highlights of the summer. For those that hadn't applied yet and want to go, it might be too late to apply for Manhatanville, I'm not sure. But if it is, then there is still a chance to apply for the camp at Syracuse University. To apply, you will need to fill out the application and also write a short essay about why you want to go to college. I currently don't have the link where you can get the application, but my mom emailed it to me and I believe I saved it, so if anyone wants a copy of it, you can contact me off list and I'll send it to you. If you are a freshman or sophmore in High School and want to know about college right now, you can also apply for the Columbia Program at Columbia University. I've never done that program myself, but I have some school friends who have. So I'd like to know if anyone on this list is doing the pre-college camp or Columbia Program this summer, or if anybody would like to apply for any of those? If anybody is doing the pre-college program, then I would of course be glad to meet one of you in person! Also another thing I'd like to know is, if anyone did that, how was your experience of being there? I'm looking forward to hereing your replies. Sami. From dburke at cocenter.org Thu Feb 13 16:59:09 2014 From: dburke at cocenter.org (Dan Burke) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:59:09 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Coloradoans & DVR Waiting List Message-ID: Greetings! This won't apply to most, so please forgive the need to post this. The NFB of Colorado needs your help. Colorado Voc Rehab has been in what is known as Order of Selection for nearly a year. Order of Selection amounts to a waiting list for applicants to vocational rehabilitation, and the continuation of this waiting list is a major concern for the NFB. We want to collect the names of blind Coloradoans who are either on the Colorado waiting list for services, or who were discouraged from applying because of the waiting list. What we need: We need your * Name * Age * contact info * The DVR office where you went to apply for services * Date you applied for DVR services, or were discouraged from applying * What you are doing since applying or not applying. Please get in touch with our NFB of Colorado office: Jessica Beecham jbeecham at nfbco.org 303-778-1130, extension 223. If you know of someone else who has been affected by the Colorado waiting list, please share this info and encourage them to contact us as well. Thanks in advance! Dan Burke From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Feb 13 20:37:45 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:37:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] camp in New York? In-Reply-To: <0N0X008RWZJ1KP60@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0N0X008RWZJ1KP60@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hi, I would hope such an experience would be beneficial. I was thrown into college and it was all a surprise to me. I did alright, but it still felt uncomfortable to go to class and usually not have my needs met. I had to get used to this. I mean no braille notes, no worksheets brailled, and teachers never voiced what they wrote on the board. Fortunately, most did not write, but used powerpoints or ready prepared overheads and handouts. But my first class I sat in, was big and the professor gets up there and starts writing. I wondered what it was and someone whispers to me after I ask; they just say its basic info like name of class and his name. Then a print syllabus was handed out, and then he addresses the class in a rather monotone voice. I did tell him I was visually impaired and my needs, but it did not help at least not initially. Anyway, I hope this program includes classes on your rights and advocacy as well as living skills. Is it for disabled students only? How much will it cost? I already went to college but know some high school students that may benefit from this. Will they show students the college classrooms? Do they teach the living skills of cooking hand over hand? I've heard of college prep programs, but they're at rehab centers, not a campus. this sounds cool. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: sami osborne Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 11:08 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] camp in New York? Hi all. This summer, I am going to a camp at Manhattanville College in New York, where I live. This camp is called a "pre-college camp". In other words, it is for getting ready for college. I think they teach you all the skills you need for college, like cooking and cleaning and stuff like that, and they also do recreational activities, such as music. Fortunately for me, this camp is only 4 weeks long and not the whole summer. That is fortunate because going to France to see my family is, for me, one of the highlights of the summer. For those that hadn't applied yet and want to go, it might be too late to apply for Manhatanville, I'm not sure. But if it is, then there is still a chance to apply for the camp at Syracuse University. To apply, you will need to fill out the application and also write a short essay about why you want to go to college. I currently don't have the link where you can get the application, but my mom emailed it to me and I believe I saved it, so if anyone wants a copy of it, you can contact me off list and I'll send it to you. If you are a freshman or sophmore in High School and want to know about college right now, you can also apply for the Columbia Program at Columbia University. I've never done that program myself, but I have some school friends who have. So I'd like to know if anyone on this list is doing the pre-college camp or Columbia Program this summer, or if anybody would like to apply for any of those? If anybody is doing the pre-college program, then I would of course be glad to meet one of you in person! Also another thing I'd like to know is, if anyone did that, how was your experience of being there? I'm looking forward to hereing your replies. Sami. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Fri Feb 14 05:39:44 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:39:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips Message-ID: Hi all, I am in a student organization called FACES, which promotes and fosters healthy dialogue on my campus regarding issues of race and privilege. Recently, we began hosting book groups for students to read books on subjects of race and I am acting as a facilitator along with one other member. Anyway, the first meeting was tonight and I found it extremely hard to capture the attention of the students in my group. When they had something to say, they would either raise their hand or make eye contact with my co-facilitator for him to give them the ok to talk. It was super frustrating for me because I felt like I wasn't helping leading the discussion at all, instead just acting as a participant. Have you guys lead discussions of this nature before and what tips did you use to help you be a better facilitator? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Minh -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 14 05:43:01 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:43:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02b901cf2947$a0047fe0$e00d7fa0$@gmail.com> Establish your rrule set before you start. Make sure everyone knows that you can't see, and to please remember that and just say something. Ask for everyone's cooperation. Talk it over with your fellow facilitator. Also, if you have a counseling department, then see if a group counselingg professor can give you more tips. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 12:40 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips Hi all, I am in a student organization called FACES, which promotes and fosters healthy dialogue on my campus regarding issues of race and privilege. Recently, we began hosting book groups for students to read books on subjects of race and I am acting as a facilitator along with one other member. Anyway, the first meeting was tonight and I found it extremely hard to capture the attention of the students in my group. When they had something to say, they would either raise their hand or make eye contact with my co-facilitator for him to give them the ok to talk. It was super frustrating for me because I felt like I wasn't helping leading the discussion at all, instead just acting as a participant. Have you guys lead discussions of this nature before and what tips did you use to help you be a better facilitator? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Minh -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Fri Feb 14 06:06:15 2014 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:06:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips In-Reply-To: <02b901cf2947$a0047fe0$e00d7fa0$@gmail.com> References: <02b901cf2947$a0047fe0$e00d7fa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree. You should definitely establish that rasing hands won't work, since you can't see it. You should also tell your cofacilitator and ask him not to acknowledge when someone raises their hand. That might be a bit weird, but it will help the reinforcement. It definitely can be facilitating groups. Just remember to speak up, and you can make it work. On 2/13/14, justin williams wrote: > Establish your rrule set before you start. Make sure everyone knows that > you can't see, and to please remember that and just say something. Ask for > everyone's cooperation. Talk it over with your fellow facilitator. Also, > if > you have a counseling department, then see if a group counselingg professor > can give you more tips. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 12:40 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips > > Hi all, > > I am in a student organization called FACES, which promotes and fosters > healthy dialogue on my campus regarding issues of race and privilege. > Recently, we began hosting book groups for students to read books on > subjects of race and I am acting as a facilitator along with one other > member. Anyway, the first meeting was tonight and I found it extremely hard > to capture the attention of the students in my group. > When they had something to say, they would either raise their hand or make > eye contact with my co-facilitator for him to give them the ok to talk. It > was super frustrating for me because I felt like I wasn't helping leading > the discussion at all, instead just acting as a participant. Have you guys > lead discussions of this nature before and what tips did you use to help > you > be a better facilitator? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > Minh > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their > dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Feb 14 07:25:29 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 23:25:29 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have led a few discussions as a facilitator, and you will find that many blind folks do that with minimal modifications and a little bit of effort. If I am leading a discussion or I am in a group where facilitation is taking place, I ask that instead of iContact or raising of hands, that people might say their name in order to be recognized. I tell people that as a facilitator I want to make sure that everyone's voices heard and this helps me to do so. If I am not facilitating, but a part of the group I will ask that they do this as it will allow me to share equally with The group. Sometimes it takes a little getting used to for everyone, but eventually people get it. On my student council the practice of saying one's name has been picked up and is still used even after I know longer sit on it Sometimes, council members would raise their hands and state the name. It's a little repetitive, but I guess since old habits die hard, why stop people from doing that, so long as they adhere to the auditory accommodation. This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:39 PM, minh ha wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am in a student organization called FACES, which promotes and > fosters healthy dialogue on my campus regarding issues of race and > privilege. Recently, we began hosting book groups for students to read > books on subjects of race and I am acting as a facilitator along with > one other member. Anyway, the first meeting was tonight and I found it > extremely hard to capture the attention of the students in my group. > When they had something to say, they would either raise their hand or > make eye contact with my co-facilitator for him to give them the ok to > talk. It was super frustrating for me because I felt like I wasn't > helping leading the discussion at all, instead just acting as a > participant. Have you guys lead discussions of this nature before and > what tips did you use to help you be a better facilitator? Any > suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > Minh > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Fri Feb 14 07:34:13 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 23:34:13 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips In-Reply-To: References: <02b901cf2947$a0047fe0$e00d7fa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140213233123.050d8cb8@comcast.net> Hi, Julie, Or, just make it known to everybody in the group of your blindness and encourage people just to speak up upon having something to say. "All ya gotta do is make your blindness known to all. The rest, should happen organically. No fuss, no muss! for today, Car 408-209-3239 sp10:06 PM 2/13/2014, Julie McGinnity wrote: >I agree. You should definitely establish that rasing hands won't >work, since you can't see it. You should also tell your cofacilitator >and ask him not to acknowledge when someone raises their hand. That >might be a bit weird, but it will help the reinforcement. It >definitely can be facilitating groups. Just remember to speak up, and >you can make it work. > >On 2/13/14, justin williams wrote: > > Establish your rrule set before you start. Make sure everyone knows that > > you can't see, and to please remember that and just say something. Ask for > > everyone's cooperation. Talk it over with your fellow facilitator. Also, > > if > > you have a counseling department, then see if a group counselingg professor > > can give you more tips. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 12:40 AM > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am in a student organization called FACES, which promotes and fosters > > healthy dialogue on my campus regarding issues of race and privilege. > > Recently, we began hosting book groups for students to read books on > > subjects of race and I am acting as a facilitator along with one other > > member. Anyway, the first meeting was tonight and I found it extremely hard > > to capture the attention of the students in my group. > > When they had something to say, they would either raise their hand or make > > eye contact with my co-facilitator for him to give them the ok to talk. It > > was super frustrating for me because I felt like I wasn't helping leading > > the discussion at all, instead just acting as a participant. Have you guys > > lead discussions of this nature before and what tips did you use to help > > you > > be a better facilitator? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Cheers, > > Minh > > > > -- > > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their > > dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > > .com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > > > > >-- >Julie McG >National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >life." >John 3:16 > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From audioaccess2013 at gmail.com Fri Feb 14 20:22:12 2014 From: audioaccess2013 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 15:22:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Valentine's Day With An Unusual Twist For Your Listening Pleasure Tonight Message-ID: <0EC580D31CCB4F80BA310E18EE098589@AudioAccessFMPC> Hi All! If Valentine's Day is getting you down, And the thought of love puts onto your face a frown, Then an unusual look at Valentine's Day is what you need I supposes, So why not check out my special War Of The Roses.... Tune in tonight at 8 PM eastern, as Salem from Texas and I present War Of The Roses, our Valentine's Day Special. This isn't the traditional special where we play mushy and sappy love songs and edications. If you want that, you're really looking for love in all the wrong places. Instead, we're going to play Breakup Songs on Valentine's Day. These are songs about failing relationships, songs about sadness when love is taken away. Angry breakup songs, sad ones, it's all here, and all there for your anti-valentine's Day enjoyment tonight! During the show, you can do the following to keep in touch: Send in any requests for that special breakup song by email to djd at daviddunphyradio.com Search my music library at http://www.daviddunphyradio.com/requests Skype in at daviddunphyradio Join us via TeamTalk. The link to download the program as well as the link that launches TeamTalk and connects to the server will be up on the web site by show time. You can also call in at 516-945-9165 or give a mention on twitter to the address ddunphyradio So join us at 8 PM eastern for everything Valentine's Day doesn't represent. Breakup Songs and failing relationships! This should be an interesting program, so Salem and I hope to see you all there! >From David Dunphy From philso1003 at gmail.com Fri Feb 14 22:37:31 2014 From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:37:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles Message-ID: Hi all, Do you know what are some popular hashtags and handles related to blind and visually impaired, besides #a11y? And it can be both technology or non-tech related. Thanks! Phil From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 14 22:40:01 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:40:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000801cf29d5$b2ada110$1808e330$@gmail.com> I'm not even sure what question your are asking. Or it may be to techy for me to understand. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles Hi all, Do you know what are some popular hashtags and handles related to blind and visually impaired, besides #a11y? And it can be both technology or non-tech related. Thanks! Phil _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Fri Feb 14 23:18:36 2014 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 23:18:36 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140213233123.050d8cb8@comcast.net> References: <02b901cf2947$a0047fe0$e00d7fa0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140213233123.050d8cb8@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hello, I've taught in small groups and I didn't have an assistant, sighted or otherwise. It depends where you are in the room, in relation to the other people because I found it easy to tell who was lost, who was or wasn't concentrating so I would home in on them without their having to ask. Sometimes, of course, children will have questions and they just prefaced with my name automatically. However, I would echo what has already been said. Start as you mean to go on. Suggest to your assistant that he or she stands at a distance from you and only approach you if you give a signal that you need help. (This can be prearranged and doesn't, necessarily, have to be a visual one). Ask people to address you by saying your name, followed by theirs, (if you can't identify everyone by ear yet). Above all, have fun with it and deliver your rules in a fun, personable way. Very best wishes, Sandra. On 2/14/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Hi, Julie, > > Or, just make it known to everybody in the group of your blindness > and encourage people just to speak up upon having something to say. > "All ya gotta do is make your blindness known to all. The rest, > should happen organically. No fuss, no muss! > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > sp10:06 PM 2/13/2014, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>I agree. You should definitely establish that rasing hands won't >>work, since you can't see it. You should also tell your cofacilitator >>and ask him not to acknowledge when someone raises their hand. That >>might be a bit weird, but it will help the reinforcement. It >>definitely can be facilitating groups. Just remember to speak up, and >>you can make it work. >> >>On 2/13/14, justin williams wrote: >> > Establish your rrule set before you start. Make sure everyone knows >> > that >> > you can't see, and to please remember that and just say something. Ask >> > for >> > everyone's cooperation. Talk it over with your fellow facilitator. >> > Also, >> > if >> > you have a counseling department, then see if a group counselingg >> > professor >> > can give you more tips. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha >> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 12:40 AM >> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > I am in a student organization called FACES, which promotes and fosters >> > healthy dialogue on my campus regarding issues of race and privilege. >> > Recently, we began hosting book groups for students to read books on >> > subjects of race and I am acting as a facilitator along with one other >> > member. Anyway, the first meeting was tonight and I found it extremely >> > hard >> > to capture the attention of the students in my group. >> > When they had something to say, they would either raise their hand or >> > make >> > eye contact with my co-facilitator for him to give them the ok to talk. >> > It >> > was super frustrating for me because I felt like I wasn't helping >> > leading >> > the discussion at all, instead just acting as a participant. Have you >> > guys >> > lead discussions of this nature before and what tips did you use to >> > help >> > you >> > be a better facilitator? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Minh >> > >> > -- >> > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> > their >> > dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> > .com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >>-- >>Julie McG >>National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>life." >>John 3:16 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html Voiceover Artist www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer From amc05111 at gmail.com Sat Feb 15 04:45:05 2014 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 23:45:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles In-Reply-To: <000801cf29d5$b2ada110$1808e330$@gmail.com> References: <000801cf29d5$b2ada110$1808e330$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <68871AB2DA9F4E30AE1AC8DDF09F5944@VAIO> Hi, Check out the #AccessChat and #brlchat hashtags for some chats about accessibility, technology, teaching, and Braille. There are others, but This is what I have of them off the top of my head right this second. Ashley Check out the Blinkie Chicks at, www.blinkiechicks.com -----Original Message----- From: justin williams Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:40 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles I'm not even sure what question your are asking. Or it may be to techy for me to understand. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles Hi all, Do you know what are some popular hashtags and handles related to blind and visually impaired, besides #a11y? And it can be both technology or non-tech related. Thanks! Phil _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com From knownoflove at gmail.com Sat Feb 15 08:55:09 2014 From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 03:55:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to connect with students in Lynchburg/central Virginia Message-ID: <000d01cf2a2b$a26397f0$e72ac7d0$@gmail.com> Hi everyone, My husband and I are planning to move to the Lynchburg, VA area in mid-March, and we are looking to connect with students who are also blind/visually impaired in this area. If any of you live in Lynchburg or the surrounding area, please feel free to reply and share any advice, resources, ETC. Thanks in advance, and have a wonderful week! In Christ, Miranda From keke.davis91 at gmail.com Sat Feb 15 11:14:02 2014 From: keke.davis91 at gmail.com (Kierra Davis) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 06:14:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to connect with students in Lynchburg/central Virginia In-Reply-To: <000d01cf2a2b$a26397f0$e72ac7d0$@gmail.com> References: <000d01cf2a2b$a26397f0$e72ac7d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, I am Kierra. I live in the Richmond area. I am also the treasure of the Virginia Association of Blind students. We do have people in the are who could give you more advice. We would love you have you as a student with VABS. we are currently planning a lot of fun things for are students to do., So... Welcome to Virginia!!! On 2/15/14, Miranda wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My husband and I are planning to move to the Lynchburg, VA area in > mid-March, and we are looking to connect with students who are also > blind/visually impaired in this area. > > If any of you live in Lynchburg or the surrounding area, please feel free > to > reply and share any advice, resources, ETC. > > Thanks in advance, and have a wonderful week! > > > > In Christ, Miranda > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keke.davis91%40gmail.com > -- Kierra Davis From philso1003 at gmail.com Sun Feb 16 03:46:02 2014 From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 22:46:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles In-Reply-To: <68871AB2DA9F4E30AE1AC8DDF09F5944@VAIO> References: <000801cf29d5$b2ada110$1808e330$@gmail.com> <68871AB2DA9F4E30AE1AC8DDF09F5944@VAIO> Message-ID: Thanks Ashley. BTW, Blinkie Chicks sounds cool. Phil On 2/14/14, Ashley Coleman wrote: > Hi, Check out the #AccessChat and #brlchat hashtags for some chats about > accessibility, technology, teaching, and Braille. There are others, but This > > is what I have of them off the top of my head right this second. > > Ashley > > Check out the Blinkie Chicks at, > www.blinkiechicks.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: justin williams > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:40 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles > > I'm not even sure what question your are asking. Or it may be to techy for > me to understand. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:38 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles > > Hi all, > > Do you know what are some popular hashtags and handles related to blind and > visually impaired, besides #a11y? And it can be both technology or non-tech > related. > Thanks! > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/philso1003%40gmail.com > From knownoflove at gmail.com Sun Feb 16 04:09:21 2014 From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 23:09:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to connect with students in Lynchburg/central Virginia In-Reply-To: References: <000d01cf2a2b$a26397f0$e72ac7d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003f01cf2acc$df998930$9ecc9b90$@gmail.com> Hi Kierra, Thank you for your warm welcome, and it is very nice to meet you! Richmond isn't far from Lynchburg, and we have some friends in your area. :) We look forward to connecting with other students. Thank you again, and have a wonderful week! In Christ, Miranda -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra Davis Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 6:14 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Looking to connect with students in Lynchburg/central Virginia Hello, I am Kierra. I live in the Richmond area. I am also the treasure of the Virginia Association of Blind students. We do have people in the are who could give you more advice. We would love you have you as a student with VABS. we are currently planning a lot of fun things for are students to do., So... Welcome to Virginia!!! On 2/15/14, Miranda wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My husband and I are planning to move to the Lynchburg, VA area in > mid-March, and we are looking to connect with students who are also > blind/visually impaired in this area. > > If any of you live in Lynchburg or the surrounding area, please feel > free to reply and share any advice, resources, ETC. > > Thanks in advance, and have a wonderful week! > > > > In Christ, Miranda > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keke.davis91%40gma > il.com > -- Kierra Davis _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Feb 16 05:03:21 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 22:03:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips In-Reply-To: References: <02b901cf2947$a0047fe0$e00d7fa0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140213233123.050d8cb8@comcast.net> Message-ID: When I am leading a discussion as a teacher or presenter, I always start by explicitly saying that I can't see raised hands and that people should speak up if they want to participate. In my experience, people usually speak one at a time even if you don't require them to say their names. I have found that sometimes students, in particular, feel awkward about saying their names so I just suggest they speak up if they want to participate and that if multiple people are speaking at once I will ask for names and specify the order that people should speak in. People usually pick this up pretty quickly especially if no one reinforces them if they try to raise their hands. Another technique I learned from Adrienne Asch is to allow people to raise hands but require the first discussant to speak and then have that person call on the next person who has a hand raised. The second discussant calls on the third, etc. Adrienne has had good luck with this method. I have not used it yet myself because in my classes we have not had extended discussions (usually just 1-3 responses at a time) but it may work well for your group. It can help build a stronger sense of camaraderie between group members. Arielle On 2/14/14, Sandra Gayer wrote: > Hello, > I've taught in small groups and I didn't have an assistant, sighted or > otherwise. It depends where you are in the room, in relation to the > other people because I found it easy to tell who was lost, who was or > wasn't concentrating so I would home in on them without their having > to ask. Sometimes, of course, children will have questions and they > just prefaced with my name automatically. However, I would echo what > has already been said. Start as you mean to go on. Suggest to your > assistant that he or she stands at a distance from you and only > approach you if you give a signal that you need help. (This can be > prearranged and doesn't, necessarily, have to be a visual one). Ask > people to address you by saying your name, followed by theirs, (if you > can't identify everyone by ear yet). Above all, have fun with it and > deliver your rules in a fun, personable way. > > Very best wishes, > Sandra. > > On 2/14/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> Hi, Julie, >> >> Or, just make it known to everybody in the group of your blindness >> and encourage people just to speak up upon having something to say. >> "All ya gotta do is make your blindness known to all. The rest, >> should happen organically. No fuss, no muss! >> for today, Car >> 408-209-3239 >> >> sp10:06 PM 2/13/2014, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>>I agree. You should definitely establish that rasing hands won't >>>work, since you can't see it. You should also tell your cofacilitator >>>and ask him not to acknowledge when someone raises their hand. That >>>might be a bit weird, but it will help the reinforcement. It >>>definitely can be facilitating groups. Just remember to speak up, and >>>you can make it work. >>> >>>On 2/13/14, justin williams wrote: >>> > Establish your rrule set before you start. Make sure everyone knows >>> > that >>> > you can't see, and to please remember that and just say something. >>> > Ask >>> > for >>> > everyone's cooperation. Talk it over with your fellow facilitator. >>> > Also, >>> > if >>> > you have a counseling department, then see if a group counselingg >>> > professor >>> > can give you more tips. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha >>> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 12:40 AM >>> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips >>> > >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > I am in a student organization called FACES, which promotes and >>> > fosters >>> > healthy dialogue on my campus regarding issues of race and privilege. >>> > Recently, we began hosting book groups for students to read books on >>> > subjects of race and I am acting as a facilitator along with one other >>> > member. Anyway, the first meeting was tonight and I found it extremely >>> > hard >>> > to capture the attention of the students in my group. >>> > When they had something to say, they would either raise their hand or >>> > make >>> > eye contact with my co-facilitator for him to give them the ok to >>> > talk. >>> > It >>> > was super frustrating for me because I felt like I wasn't helping >>> > leading >>> > the discussion at all, instead just acting as a participant. Have you >>> > guys >>> > lead discussions of this nature before and what tips did you use to >>> > help >>> > you >>> > be a better facilitator? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Minh >>> > >>> > -- >>> > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >>> > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> > their >>> > dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> > .com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Julie McG >>>National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >>>Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, >>>and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 >>>"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>>everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>>life." >>>John 3:16 >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Soprano Singer > www.sandragayer.com > > Broadcast Presenter > > www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html > > Voiceover Artist > > www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From lilliepennington at fuse.net Sun Feb 16 05:35:44 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 00:35:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips In-Reply-To: References: <02b901cf2947$a0047fe0$e00d7fa0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140213233123.050d8cb8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002401cf2ad8$f05a0e50$d10e2af0$@net> I have one more thing to add with this discussion. I have limited experience with this, but when I was in middle school I was in a program that essentially helped younger students adjust to middle school. There would basically be two people leading a group of 6-10 people that would talk about goal setting, getting involved, stuff like that. I did what Darian mentioned and had people raise their hands and say their name. I knew the girl who was leading with me because we were in elementary school together, so she knew how it was best to work with me in certain situations such as calling on people. I wouldn't recommend you calling on everyone, rather you and your partner sharing the work when it was appropriate to do so. The thing I have to add is, you have to really, really know what you are doing, and you have to be confident. You have to project this confidence so the group can feel it. Otherwise, no one will take you seriously and will not consider you an equal. For example. If the lesson for me was on goal setting, while everyone else would just generally look down at the sheet while talking, I would memorize the sheet and what were supposed to do. HTH -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 12:03 AM To: sandragayer7 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips When I am leading a discussion as a teacher or presenter, I always start by explicitly saying that I can't see raised hands and that people should speak up if they want to participate. In my experience, people usually speak one at a time even if you don't require them to say their names. I have found that sometimes students, in particular, feel awkward about saying their names so I just suggest they speak up if they want to participate and that if multiple people are speaking at once I will ask for names and specify the order that people should speak in. People usually pick this up pretty quickly especially if no one reinforces them if they try to raise their hands. Another technique I learned from Adrienne Asch is to allow people to raise hands but require the first discussant to speak and then have that person call on the next person who has a hand raised. The second discussant calls on the third, etc. Adrienne has had good luck with this method. I have not used it yet myself because in my classes we have not had extended discussions (usually just 1-3 responses at a time) but it may work well for your group. It can help build a stronger sense of camaraderie between group members. Arielle On 2/14/14, Sandra Gayer wrote: > Hello, > I've taught in small groups and I didn't have an assistant, sighted or > otherwise. It depends where you are in the room, in relation to the > other people because I found it easy to tell who was lost, who was or > wasn't concentrating so I would home in on them without their having > to ask. Sometimes, of course, children will have questions and they > just prefaced with my name automatically. However, I would echo what > has already been said. Start as you mean to go on. Suggest to your > assistant that he or she stands at a distance from you and only > approach you if you give a signal that you need help. (This can be > prearranged and doesn't, necessarily, have to be a visual one). Ask > people to address you by saying your name, followed by theirs, (if you > can't identify everyone by ear yet). Above all, have fun with it and > deliver your rules in a fun, personable way. > > Very best wishes, > Sandra. > > On 2/14/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> Hi, Julie, >> >> Or, just make it known to everybody in the group of your blindness >> and encourage people just to speak up upon having something to say. >> "All ya gotta do is make your blindness known to all. The rest, >> should happen organically. No fuss, no muss! >> for today, Car >> 408-209-3239 >> >> sp10:06 PM 2/13/2014, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>>I agree. You should definitely establish that rasing hands won't >>>work, since you can't see it. You should also tell your >>>cofacilitator and ask him not to acknowledge when someone raises >>>their hand. That might be a bit weird, but it will help the >>>reinforcement. It definitely can be facilitating groups. Just >>>remember to speak up, and you can make it work. >>> >>>On 2/13/14, justin williams wrote: >>> > Establish your rrule set before you start. Make sure everyone >>> > knows that you can't see, and to please remember that and just say >>> > something. >>> > Ask >>> > for >>> > everyone's cooperation. Talk it over with your fellow facilitator. >>> > Also, >>> > if >>> > you have a counseling department, then see if a group counselingg >>> > professor can give you more tips. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh >>> > ha >>> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 12:40 AM >>> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips >>> > >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > I am in a student organization called FACES, which promotes and >>> > fosters healthy dialogue on my campus regarding issues of race and >>> > privilege. >>> > Recently, we began hosting book groups for students to read books >>> > on subjects of race and I am acting as a facilitator along with >>> > one other member. Anyway, the first meeting was tonight and I >>> > found it extremely hard to capture the attention of the students >>> > in my group. >>> > When they had something to say, they would either raise their hand >>> > or make eye contact with my co-facilitator for him to give them >>> > the ok to talk. >>> > It >>> > was super frustrating for me because I felt like I wasn't helping >>> > leading the discussion at all, instead just acting as a >>> > participant. Have you guys lead discussions of this nature before >>> > and what tips did you use to help you be a better facilitator? Any >>> > suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Minh >>> > >>> > -- >>> > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>> > dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. >>> > Lawrence >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2 >>> %40gmail >>> > .com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gm >>> > ail.com >>> > >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Julie McG >>>National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >>>Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri >>>Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the >>>Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only >>>Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have >>>eternal life." >>>John 3:16 >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcas >>>t.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gm >> ail.com >> > > > -- > Soprano Singer > www.sandragayer.com > > Broadcast Presenter > > www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html > > Voiceover Artist > > www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. net From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Feb 16 07:58:55 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 23:58:55 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips In-Reply-To: References: <02b901cf2947$a0047fe0$e00d7fa0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140213233123.050d8cb8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140215235625.057b8980@comcast.net> Hi, Arielle, The whole thing of calling people by name during a group discussion kind of skeevs me--too structured. However, I like the ida of Adriene Ashe where, the person contributing identifies the next person with their hand raised. Thank you for sharing! for today, Car 408-209-3239 09:03 PM 2/15/2014, Arielle Silverman wrote: >When I am leading a discussion as a teacher or presenter, I always >start by explicitly saying that I can't see raised hands and that >people should speak up if they want to participate. In my experience, >people usually speak one at a time even if you don't require them to >say their names. I have found that sometimes students, in particular, >feel awkward about saying their names so I just suggest they speak up >if they want to participate and that if multiple people are speaking >at once I will ask for names and specify the order that people should >speak in. People usually pick this up pretty quickly especially if no >one reinforces them if they try to raise their hands. >Another technique I learned from Adrienne Asch is to allow people to >raise hands but require the first discussant to speak and then have >that person call on the next person who has a hand raised. The second >discussant calls on the third, etc. Adrienne has had good luck with >this method. I have not used it yet myself because in my classes we >have not had extended discussions (usually just 1-3 responses at a >time) but it may work well for your group. It can help build a >stronger sense of camaraderie between group members. > >Arielle > >On 2/14/14, Sandra Gayer wrote: > > Hello, > > I've taught in small groups and I didn't have an assistant, sighted or > > otherwise. It depends where you are in the room, in relation to the > > other people because I found it easy to tell who was lost, who was or > > wasn't concentrating so I would home in on them without their having > > to ask. Sometimes, of course, children will have questions and they > > just prefaced with my name automatically. However, I would echo what > > has already been said. Start as you mean to go on. Suggest to your > > assistant that he or she stands at a distance from you and only > > approach you if you give a signal that you need help. (This can be > > prearranged and doesn't, necessarily, have to be a visual one). Ask > > people to address you by saying your name, followed by theirs, (if you > > can't identify everyone by ear yet). Above all, have fun with it and > > deliver your rules in a fun, personable way. > > > > Very best wishes, > > Sandra. > > > > On 2/14/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > >> Hi, Julie, > >> > >> Or, just make it known to everybody in the group of your blindness > >> and encourage people just to speak up upon having something to say. > >> "All ya gotta do is make your blindness known to all. The rest, > >> should happen organically. No fuss, no muss! > >> for today, Car > >> 408-209-3239 > >> > >> sp10:06 PM 2/13/2014, Julie McGinnity wrote: > >>>I agree. You should definitely establish that rasing hands won't > >>>work, since you can't see it. You should also tell your cofacilitator > >>>and ask him not to acknowledge when someone raises their hand. That > >>>might be a bit weird, but it will help the reinforcement. It > >>>definitely can be facilitating groups. Just remember to speak up, and > >>>you can make it work. > >>> > >>>On 2/13/14, justin williams wrote: > >>> > Establish your rrule set before you start. Make sure everyone knows > >>> > that > >>> > you can't see, and to please remember that and just say something. > >>> > Ask > >>> > for > >>> > everyone's cooperation. Talk it over with your fellow facilitator. > >>> > Also, > >>> > if > >>> > you have a counseling department, then see if a group counselingg > >>> > professor > >>> > can give you more tips. > >>> > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha > >>> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 12:40 AM > >>> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips > >>> > > >>> > Hi all, > >>> > > >>> > I am in a student organization called FACES, which promotes and > >>> > fosters > >>> > healthy dialogue on my campus regarding issues of race and privilege. > >>> > Recently, we began hosting book groups for students to read books on > >>> > subjects of race and I am acting as a facilitator along with one other > >>> > member. Anyway, the first meeting was tonight and I found it extremely > >>> > hard > >>> > to capture the attention of the students in my group. > >>> > When they had something to say, they would either raise their hand or > >>> > make > >>> > eye contact with my co-facilitator for him to give them the ok to > >>> > talk. > >>> > It > >>> > was super frustrating for me because I felt like I wasn't helping > >>> > leading > >>> > the discussion at all, instead just acting as a participant. Have you > >>> > guys > >>> > lead discussions of this nature before and what tips did you use to > >>> > help > >>> > you > >>> > be a better facilitator? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > >>> > > >>> > Cheers, > >>> > Minh > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > >>> > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > >>> > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > >>> > their > >>> > dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > nabs-l mailing list > >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> > nabs-l: > >>> > > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > >>> > .com > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > nabs-l mailing list > >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> > nabs-l: > >>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>Julie McG > >>>National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > >>>Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > >>>Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > >>>and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > >>>"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > >>>everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > >>>life." > >>>John 3:16 > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Soprano Singer > > www.sandragayer.com > > > > Broadcast Presenter > > > > www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html > > > > Voiceover Artist > > > > www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From keke.davis91 at gmail.com Sun Feb 16 11:06:23 2014 From: keke.davis91 at gmail.com (Kierra Davis) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 06:06:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to connect with students in Lynchburg/central Virginia In-Reply-To: <003f01cf2acc$df998930$9ecc9b90$@gmail.com> References: <000d01cf2a2b$a26397f0$e72ac7d0$@gmail.com> <003f01cf2acc$df998930$9ecc9b90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Mirandra, do you have Fb? I would be glad you add you to the group. There you can meed students who might live close to you and possiblely go to the same school as you. I can tell you that we are getting ready to have a state wide conference call all about scholarships. So... if that is something you would be interested in, feel free to let me know. On 2/15/14, Miranda wrote: > Hi Kierra, > Thank you for your warm welcome, and it is very nice to meet you! Richmond > isn't far from Lynchburg, and we have some friends in your area. :) We look > forward to connecting with other students. > Thank you again, and have a wonderful week! > > In Christ, Miranda > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra Davis > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 6:14 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Looking to connect with students in Lynchburg/central > Virginia > > Hello, I am Kierra. I live in the Richmond area. I am also the treasure of > the Virginia Association of Blind students. We do have people in the are > who > could give you more advice. We would love you have you as a student with > VABS. we are currently planning a lot of fun things for are students to > do., > So... Welcome to Virginia!!! > > On 2/15/14, Miranda wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> My husband and I are planning to move to the Lynchburg, VA area in >> mid-March, and we are looking to connect with students who are also >> blind/visually impaired in this area. >> >> If any of you live in Lynchburg or the surrounding area, please feel >> free to reply and share any advice, resources, ETC. >> >> Thanks in advance, and have a wonderful week! >> >> >> >> In Christ, Miranda >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keke.davis91%40gma >> il.com >> > > > -- > Kierra Davis > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/knownoflove%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/keke.davis91%40gmail.com > -- Kierra Davis From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Feb 16 12:35:43 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 07:35:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140215235625.057b8980@comcast.net> References: <02b901cf2947$a0047fe0$e00d7fa0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140213233123.050d8cb8@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20140215235625.057b8980@comcast.net> Message-ID: <004901cf2b13$9c484a30$d4d8de90$@gmail.com> What if no one has their hand up when that person is finished sharing/ -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:59 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; sandragayer7 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips Hi, Arielle, The whole thing of calling people by name during a group discussion kind of skeevs me--too structured. However, I like the ida of Adriene Ashe where, the person contributing identifies the next person with their hand raised. Thank you for sharing! for today, Car 408-209-3239 09:03 PM 2/15/2014, Arielle Silverman wrote: >When I am leading a discussion as a teacher or presenter, I always >start by explicitly saying that I can't see raised hands and that >people should speak up if they want to participate. In my experience, >people usually speak one at a time even if you don't require them to >say their names. I have found that sometimes students, in particular, >feel awkward about saying their names so I just suggest they speak up >if they want to participate and that if multiple people are speaking at >once I will ask for names and specify the order that people should >speak in. People usually pick this up pretty quickly especially if no >one reinforces them if they try to raise their hands. >Another technique I learned from Adrienne Asch is to allow people to >raise hands but require the first discussant to speak and then have >that person call on the next person who has a hand raised. The second >discussant calls on the third, etc. Adrienne has had good luck with >this method. I have not used it yet myself because in my classes we >have not had extended discussions (usually just 1-3 responses at a >time) but it may work well for your group. It can help build a stronger >sense of camaraderie between group members. > >Arielle > >On 2/14/14, Sandra Gayer wrote: > > Hello, > > I've taught in small groups and I didn't have an assistant, sighted > > or otherwise. It depends where you are in the room, in relation to > > the other people because I found it easy to tell who was lost, who > > was or wasn't concentrating so I would home in on them without their > > having to ask. Sometimes, of course, children will have questions > > and they just prefaced with my name automatically. However, I would > > echo what has already been said. Start as you mean to go on. Suggest > > to your assistant that he or she stands at a distance from you and > > only approach you if you give a signal that you need help. (This can > > be prearranged and doesn't, necessarily, have to be a visual one). > > Ask people to address you by saying your name, followed by theirs, > > (if you can't identify everyone by ear yet). Above all, have fun > > with it and deliver your rules in a fun, personable way. > > > > Very best wishes, > > Sandra. > > > > On 2/14/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > >> Hi, Julie, > >> > >> Or, just make it known to everybody in the group of your blindness > >> and encourage people just to speak up upon having something to say. > >> "All ya gotta do is make your blindness known to all. The rest, > >> should happen organically. No fuss, no muss! > >> for today, Car > >> 408-209-3239 > >> > >> sp10:06 PM 2/13/2014, Julie McGinnity wrote: > >>>I agree. You should definitely establish that rasing hands won't > >>>work, since you can't see it. You should also tell your > >>>cofacilitator and ask him not to acknowledge when someone raises > >>>their hand. That might be a bit weird, but it will help the > >>>reinforcement. It definitely can be facilitating groups. Just > >>>remember to speak up, and you can make it work. > >>> > >>>On 2/13/14, justin williams wrote: > >>> > Establish your rrule set before you start. Make sure everyone > >>> > knows that you can't see, and to please remember that and just > >>> > say something. > >>> > Ask > >>> > for > >>> > everyone's cooperation. Talk it over with your fellow facilitator. > >>> > Also, > >>> > if > >>> > you have a counseling department, then see if a group > >>> > counselingg professor can give you more tips. > >>> > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > >>> > minh ha > >>> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 12:40 AM > >>> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips > >>> > > >>> > Hi all, > >>> > > >>> > I am in a student organization called FACES, which promotes and > >>> > fosters healthy dialogue on my campus regarding issues of race > >>> > and privilege. > >>> > Recently, we began hosting book groups for students to read > >>> > books on subjects of race and I am acting as a facilitator along > >>> > with one other member. Anyway, the first meeting was tonight and > >>> > I found it extremely hard to capture the attention of the > >>> > students in my group. > >>> > When they had something to say, they would either raise their > >>> > hand or make eye contact with my co-facilitator for him to give > >>> > them the ok to talk. > >>> > It > >>> > was super frustrating for me because I felt like I wasn't > >>> > helping leading the discussion at all, instead just acting as a > >>> > participant. Have you guys lead discussions of this nature > >>> > before and what tips did you use to help you be a better > >>> > facilitator? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > >>> > > >>> > Cheers, > >>> > Minh > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the > >>> > dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > >>> > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act > >>> > on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. > >>> > Lawrence > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > nabs-l mailing list > >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > >>> > info for > >>> > nabs-l: > >>> > > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > >>> > .com > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > nabs-l mailing list > >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > >>> > info for > >>> > nabs-l: > >>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail. > com > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>Julie McG > >>>National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > >>>Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > >>>Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes > >>>for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he > >>>gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not > >>>perish but may have eternal life." > >>>John 3:16 > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>for > >>> nabs-l: > >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comc > >>>ast.net > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gma > il.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Soprano Singer > > www.sandragayer.com > > > > Broadcast Presenter > > > > www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html > > > > Voiceover Artist > > > > www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmai > > l.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From amc05111 at gmail.com Sun Feb 16 20:26:29 2014 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:26:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles In-Reply-To: References: <000801cf29d5$b2ada110$1808e330$@gmail.com><68871AB2DA9F4E30AE1AC8DDF09F5944@VAIO> Message-ID: You are very welcome! You can find the Blinkie Chicks on Twitter as well by following @BlinkieChicks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Phil Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 10:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles Thanks Ashley. BTW, Blinkie Chicks sounds cool. Phil On 2/14/14, Ashley Coleman wrote: > Hi, Check out the #AccessChat and #brlchat hashtags for some chats about > accessibility, technology, teaching, and Braille. There are others, but > This > > is what I have of them off the top of my head right this second. > > Ashley > > Check out the Blinkie Chicks at, > www.blinkiechicks.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: justin williams > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:40 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles > > I'm not even sure what question your are asking. Or it may be to techy > for > me to understand. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:38 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles > > Hi all, > > Do you know what are some popular hashtags and handles related to blind > and > visually impaired, besides #a11y? And it can be both technology or > non-tech > related. > Thanks! > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/philso1003%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Feb 16 22:25:07 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:25:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} Fwd: I'm a blind student, and I need your help References: <569616693.8650395.1392588309719.JavaMail.root@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi, You might have already seen this pitition, but I thought it was very interesting. Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: magephart at comcast.net > Date: February 16, 2014, 5:05:09 PM EST > To: Mikayla Gephart > Subject: Fwd: I'm a blind student, and I need your help > > Check this out > Mom > > From: JFERNRN at aol.com > To: acwarwick374 at yahoo.com > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 3:01:03 PM > Subject: I'm a blind student, and I need your help > > I know I recently sent a plea for Alex but this one also matters, particularly since college is next year. I've forwarded it intact. And no, you don't have to live in the US to count. Please help. Thanks. L, J > > > > > > > I'm blind and had to switch colleges because I couldn't access class materials. Sign my petition asking Congress to pass the TEACH Act so disabled students can have equal access in the classroom. > > > > Sign Jamie's Petition > > > > Susan - > > As a blind high schooler, I couldn't just apply to my top colleges -- I had to make sure that classes were going to be made accessible for me, and I was excited to attend Florida State University because they had a great program for training teachers of the blind. > > But when I started classes at FSU, I quickly found out that the school didn't have the accessible tools I needed to learn and complete all my work. My online classes weren't compatible with my screen reader and I couldn't access materials in any of my math or biology classes. I struggled for three years, and eventually decided to change schools. > > I sued FSU for failing to meet state and federal disability laws, but I don't want other blind students like me to experience what I had to go through. I started a petition on Change.org asking Congress to pass the TEACH Act to make sure that all students with disabilities have equal access to learning. Click here to sign my petition. > > When I approached the administration at FSU about the inaccessible materials, they suggested I try an “easier” major instead of trying to help me and other students with disabilities. I felt like the school was punishing me instead of trying to help me learn. > > That's why I believe in the TEACH Act. While federal laws require colleges to only deploy accessible materials, they were written before technology became part of the classroom, so schools like FSU have no direction for how the laws apply to students like me. The TEACH Act creates much-needed guidelines illustrating how schools can provide instructional technology that is usable for students with disabilities. > > I believe that public support of the TEACH Act through my petition will show members of Congress that constituents around the country believe there is an urgent need for this. But they won't do it without you. > > Sign my petition demanding that Congress pass the TEACH Act, creating guidelines for schools to protect equal access in the classroom for blind students. > > Thank you for your support. > > Jamie Principado > > > Sign Jamie's Petition > > > > > This email was sent by Change.org to sguil4d at gmail.com. You can edit your email preferences or unsubscribe from Change.org emails. > > Start a petition on Change.org > > Mailing Address: 216 West 104th Street, Suite #130 · New York, NY 10025 · USA > > > > > > From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Sun Feb 16 23:56:53 2014 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 18:56:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] how did you learn visual concepts in school Message-ID: <5301505d.e4ddb60a.1cc1.ffff892c@mx.google.com> Hello, I know many of my posts have been more serious o nature, but this one is a little more interesting. I started working on an aarticle for the Braille Monitor about teaching math and science to visually impaired students, but I haven't worked on it lately. Therefore, I would like you to think back to when you were in school. What were some visual concepts you had trouble understanding and what physical gestures did your teachers give you to help you visualize better? This could be either the regular classroom teacher or your teacher of the visually impaired told you. For me, some of the ones that I was told were: In geometry class, we were learning about different kinds of angles such as vertical, suplemental, alternate interior, alternate exterior, etc. The way vertical angles were explained to me was: Cross your fingers on both hands and then touch your hands together. The ppaaces where your fingers meet are what vertical angles are like. Another was in physics class when we were learning about positive and negative attraction in terms of magnetism. I was a little confused about the concept, so the teacher asked me to hold both hands out in front of me so they are close together bn touching and then move them toward each other to symbolize magnets being attracted and apart to illustrate polarity. Having her do that helped a lot. I must say that at times I felt pretty silly in that class lol considering all the physical gesturing I had to do in order to understand the concept. What about you? What physical gestures did your teachers come up with to help illustrate an otherwise difficult concept to understand? What class was it and what were you learning about at the time? Thanks, Kelsey Nicolay From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 01:00:42 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 18:00:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips In-Reply-To: <004901cf2b13$9c484a30$d4d8de90$@gmail.com> References: <02b901cf2947$a0047fe0$e00d7fa0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140213233123.050d8cb8@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20140215235625.057b8980@comcast.net> <004901cf2b13$9c484a30$d4d8de90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Then I guess the facilitator would just ask if anyone else wants to share at that point. Arielle On 2/16/14, justin williams wrote: > What if no one has their hand up when that person is finished sharing/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly > Mihalakis > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:59 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; > sandragayer7 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips > > Hi, Arielle, > > The whole thing of calling people by name during a group discussion kind of > skeevs me--too structured. However, I like the ida of Adriene Ashe where, > the person contributing identifies the next person with their hand raised. > Thank you for sharing! > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > 09:03 PM 2/15/2014, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>When I am leading a discussion as a teacher or presenter, I always >>start by explicitly saying that I can't see raised hands and that >>people should speak up if they want to participate. In my experience, >>people usually speak one at a time even if you don't require them to >>say their names. I have found that sometimes students, in particular, >>feel awkward about saying their names so I just suggest they speak up >>if they want to participate and that if multiple people are speaking at >>once I will ask for names and specify the order that people should >>speak in. People usually pick this up pretty quickly especially if no >>one reinforces them if they try to raise their hands. >>Another technique I learned from Adrienne Asch is to allow people to >>raise hands but require the first discussant to speak and then have >>that person call on the next person who has a hand raised. The second >>discussant calls on the third, etc. Adrienne has had good luck with >>this method. I have not used it yet myself because in my classes we >>have not had extended discussions (usually just 1-3 responses at a >>time) but it may work well for your group. It can help build a stronger >>sense of camaraderie between group members. >> >>Arielle >> >>On 2/14/14, Sandra Gayer wrote: >> > Hello, >> > I've taught in small groups and I didn't have an assistant, sighted >> > or otherwise. It depends where you are in the room, in relation to >> > the other people because I found it easy to tell who was lost, who >> > was or wasn't concentrating so I would home in on them without their >> > having to ask. Sometimes, of course, children will have questions >> > and they just prefaced with my name automatically. However, I would >> > echo what has already been said. Start as you mean to go on. Suggest >> > to your assistant that he or she stands at a distance from you and >> > only approach you if you give a signal that you need help. (This can >> > be prearranged and doesn't, necessarily, have to be a visual one). >> > Ask people to address you by saying your name, followed by theirs, >> > (if you can't identify everyone by ear yet). Above all, have fun >> > with it and deliver your rules in a fun, personable way. >> > >> > Very best wishes, >> > Sandra. >> > >> > On 2/14/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> >> Hi, Julie, >> >> >> >> Or, just make it known to everybody in the group of your blindness >> >> and encourage people just to speak up upon having something to say. >> >> "All ya gotta do is make your blindness known to all. The rest, >> >> should happen organically. No fuss, no muss! >> >> for today, Car >> >> 408-209-3239 >> >> >> >> sp10:06 PM 2/13/2014, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> >>>I agree. You should definitely establish that rasing hands won't >> >>>work, since you can't see it. You should also tell your >> >>>cofacilitator and ask him not to acknowledge when someone raises >> >>>their hand. That might be a bit weird, but it will help the >> >>>reinforcement. It definitely can be facilitating groups. Just >> >>>remember to speak up, and you can make it work. >> >>> >> >>>On 2/13/14, justin williams wrote: >> >>> > Establish your rrule set before you start. Make sure everyone >> >>> > knows that you can't see, and to please remember that and just >> >>> > say something. >> >>> > Ask >> >>> > for >> >>> > everyone's cooperation. Talk it over with your fellow facilitator. >> >>> > Also, >> >>> > if >> >>> > you have a counseling department, then see if a group >> >>> > counselingg professor can give you more tips. >> >>> > >> >>> > -----Original Message----- >> >>> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> >>> > minh ha >> >>> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 12:40 AM >> >>> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Facilitation tips >> >>> > >> >>> > Hi all, >> >>> > >> >>> > I am in a student organization called FACES, which promotes and >> >>> > fosters healthy dialogue on my campus regarding issues of race >> >>> > and privilege. >> >>> > Recently, we began hosting book groups for students to read >> >>> > books on subjects of race and I am acting as a facilitator along >> >>> > with one other member. Anyway, the first meeting was tonight and >> >>> > I found it extremely hard to capture the attention of the >> >>> > students in my group. >> >>> > When they had something to say, they would either raise their >> >>> > hand or make eye contact with my co-facilitator for him to give >> >>> > them the ok to talk. >> >>> > It >> >>> > was super frustrating for me because I felt like I wasn't >> >>> > helping leading the discussion at all, instead just acting as a >> >>> > participant. Have you guys lead discussions of this nature >> >>> > before and what tips did you use to help you be a better >> >>> > facilitator? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >> >>> > >> >>> > Cheers, >> >>> > Minh >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >> >>> > dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was > vanity: >> >>> > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act >> >>> > on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. >> >>> > Lawrence >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > nabs-l mailing list >> >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >>> > info for >> >>> > nabs-l: >> >>> > >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> >>> > .com >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > nabs-l mailing list >> >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >>> > info for >> >>> > nabs-l: >> >>> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail. >> com >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>-- >> >>>Julie McG >> >>>National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National >> >>>Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, >> >>>Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes >> >>>for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he >> >>>gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not >> >>>perish but may have eternal life." >> >>>John 3:16 >> >>> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >> >>>nabs-l mailing list >> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comc >> >>>ast.net >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Soprano Singer >> > www.sandragayer.com >> > >> > Broadcast Presenter >> > >> > www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html >> > >> > Voiceover Artist >> > >> > www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmai >> > l.com >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >>net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From malhajamy at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 03:20:44 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:20:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new member Message-ID: <53018037.850be00a.65ad.7a0b@mx.google.com> Hi all, my name is Mohamed, and I'm a new member of the list. I heard about this list through of friend of mine, and have just subscribed. I can't wait to see what to see what this list is all about. From johnniejduran at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 03:22:45 2014 From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (Johnnie Jean Duran) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:22:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] new member In-Reply-To: <53018037.850be00a.65ad.7a0b@mx.google.com> References: <53018037.850be00a.65ad.7a0b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Welcome Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2014, at 8:20 PM, Mohamed wrote: > > Hi all, my name is Mohamed, and I'm a new member of the list. I heard about this list through of friend of mine, and have just subscribed. I can't wait to see what to see what this list is all about. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/johnniejduran%40gmail.com From malhajamy at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 03:24:00 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:24:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new member Message-ID: <530180fb.74228c0a.3db7.7a01@mx.google.com> Aren't you on the BNU list? ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnnie Jean Duran wrote: Hi all, my name is Mohamed, and I'm a new member of the list. I heard about this list through of friend of mine, and have just subscribed. I can't wait to see what to see what this list is all about. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/johnniejduran %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/malhajamy%40g mail.com From johnniejduran at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 03:30:19 2014 From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (Johnnie Jean Duran) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:30:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] new member In-Reply-To: <530180fb.74228c0a.3db7.7a01@mx.google.com> References: <530180fb.74228c0a.3db7.7a01@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <19340CB7-99CB-41D2-8956-A85D11399025@gmail.com> Yes Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Mohamed wrote: > > Aren't you on the BNU list? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Johnnie Jean Duran To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:22:45 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new member > > Welcome > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 16, 2014, at 8:20 PM, Mohamed wrote: > > Hi all, my name is Mohamed, and I'm a new member of the list. I heard about this list through of friend of mine, and have just subscribed. I can't wait to see what to see what this list is all about. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/johnniejduran > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/malhajamy%40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/johnniejduran%40gmail.com From matt.dierckens at me.com Mon Feb 17 03:42:37 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:42:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new member In-Reply-To: <530180fb.74228c0a.3db7.7a01@mx.google.com> References: <530180fb.74228c0a.3db7.7a01@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5C946DE0-3219-4683-B620-8DA4774A1EC1@me.com> Hello. Welcome to the list. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:24 PM, Mohamed wrote: > Aren't you on the BNU list? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Johnnie Jean Duran To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:22:45 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new member > > Welcome > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 16, 2014, at 8:20 PM, Mohamed wrote: > > Hi all, my name is Mohamed, and I'm a new member of the list. I heard about this list through of friend of mine, and have just subscribed. I can't wait to see what to see what this list is all about. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/johnniejduran > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/malhajamy%40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From malhajamy at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 03:52:14 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:52:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question about the list Message-ID: <53018799.c9a2e00a.4451.ffff82a1@mx.google.com> Hi all, I have a question about the list. Is it possible to go into a kind of vacation mode, like on freelists? Basicly, you stay subscribed to the list, but don't receive any email from it. Is there a mode like this on this list? Because I might not be able to check my email some times during the year, and might have to go into vacation mode, to avoid my inbox from being crouded when I return. Is there a way to go into a vacation mode? If so, how can I do it? Thanks. From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 03:58:25 2014 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:58:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] question about the list In-Reply-To: <53018799.c9a2e00a.4451.ffff82a1@mx.google.com> References: <53018799.c9a2e00a.4451.ffff82a1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <22C762B5-F489-4502-98E7-CAD70890C488@gmail.com> I think most email providers let you set filters where you can make a special folder for only emails from this list and then check them at your leisure. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Mohamed wrote: > > Hi all, I have a question about the list. Is it possible to go into a kind of vacation mode, like on freelists? Basicly, you stay subscribed to the list, but don't receive any email from it. Is there a mode like this on this list? Because I might not be able to check my email some times during the year, and might have to go into vacation mode, to avoid my inbox from being crouded when I return. Is there a way to go into a vacation mode? If so, how can I do it? Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From malhajamy at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 03:59:36 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:59:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question about the list Message-ID: <53018954.94658c0a.9e6e.ffff8292@mx.google.com> Wonder how I could do that? Because I'm a bn user. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kirt wrote: Hi all, I have a question about the list. Is it possible to go into a kind of vacation mode, like on freelists? Basicly, you stay subscribed to the list, but don't receive any email from it. Is there a mode like this on this list? Because I might not be able to check my email some times during the year, and might have to go into vacation mode, to avoid my inbox from being crouded when I return. Is there a way to go into a vacation mode? If so, how can I do it? Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydud e%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/malhajamy%40g mail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 04:09:38 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 21:09:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] question about the list In-Reply-To: <53018954.94658c0a.9e6e.ffff8292@mx.google.com> References: <53018954.94658c0a.9e6e.ffff8292@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You can do it through your web interface at www.nfbnet.org go to the NABS-L link, then at the bottom of the page, type in your email address and click "unsubscribe or edit options". You will be prompted for your password and can then check a box to disable mail delivery. Do the same thing to re-enable it on your return. Best, Arielle On 2/16/14, Mohamed wrote: > Wonder how I could do that? Because I'm a bn user. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kirt To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:58:25 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question about the list > > I think most email providers let you set filters where you can > make a special folder for only emails from this list and then > check them at your leisure. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 16, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Mohamed > wrote: > > Hi all, I have a question about the list. Is it possible to go > into a kind of vacation mode, like on freelists? Basicly, you > stay subscribed to the list, but don't receive any email from it. > Is there a mode like this on this list? Because I might not be > able to check my email some times during the year, and might have > to go into vacation mode, to avoid my inbox from being crouded > when I return. Is there a way to go into a vacation mode? If so, > how can I do it? Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydud > e%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/malhajamy%40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 04:33:06 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 23:33:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] how did you learn visual concepts in school In-Reply-To: <5301505d.e4ddb60a.1cc1.ffff892c@mx.google.com> References: <5301505d.e4ddb60a.1cc1.ffff892c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Kelsey, This really is an interesting subject. I don't really recall many situations where my teachers had to use physical gestures to demonstrate a point, except in middle school when we were studying the different planets and revolutions and rotations. For some reason, it was the only part of the curriculum that baffled me and I could not grasp it no matter how hard. So what my science teacher did was have different students be the planets and they would stand apart from each other relative to how the planets are to each other in space. Then one of my friends would walk with me from planet to planet to give me a better sense of the distance between each planet. It was a really fun exercise, not just for me but for everyone in the class. My teacher also helped me understand the earth's revolutions and rotations by having me be the earth and spin in circles while he also spun in circles around me. It definitely made us stand out but it got the point across. :) Minh On 2/16/14, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: > Hello, > I know many of my posts have been more serious o nature, but this > one is a little more interesting. I started working on an > aarticle for the Braille Monitor about teaching math and science > to visually impaired students, but I haven't worked on it lately. > Therefore, I would like you to think back to when you were in > school. What were some visual concepts you had trouble > understanding and what physical gestures did your teachers give > you to help you visualize better? This could be either the > regular classroom teacher or your teacher of the visually > impaired told you. For me, some of the ones that I was told > were: In geometry class, we were learning about different kinds > of angles such as vertical, suplemental, alternate interior, > alternate exterior, etc. The way vertical angles were explained > to me was: Cross your fingers on both hands and then touch your > hands together. The ppaaces where your fingers meet are what > vertical angles are like. Another was in physics class when we > were learning about positive and negative attraction in terms of > magnetism. I was a little confused about the concept, so the > teacher asked me to hold both hands out in front of me so they > are close together bn touching and then move them toward each > other to symbolize magnets being attracted and apart to > illustrate polarity. Having her do that helped a lot. I must > say that at times I felt pretty silly in that class lol > considering all the physical gesturing I had to do in order to > understand the concept. What about you? What physical gestures > did your teachers come up with to help illustrate an otherwise > difficult concept to understand? What class was it and what were > you learning about at the time? > Thanks, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 04:46:51 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 23:46:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new member In-Reply-To: <53018037.850be00a.65ad.7a0b@mx.google.com> References: <53018037.850be00a.65ad.7a0b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? Just to let you know, this is my friend Mohamed who I invite to the list! And Mohamed What's up? welcome to the list! Hope you like the list my friend! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) P.s. By the way, I hope I dididn't emberase you my friend! ;) -----Original Message----- From: Mohamed Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:20 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] new member Hi all, my name is Mohamed, and I'm a new member of the list. I heard about this list through of friend of mine, and have just subscribed. I can't wait to see what to see what this list is all about. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From malhajamy at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 04:54:47 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 23:54:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new member Message-ID: <53019642.74228c0a.3db7.ffff87c1@mx.google.com> Oh no worries, I'm not embarrased that easily. Yeah, I'll have fun here. I'll talk more about the victor reader stream. ----- Original Message ----- From: References: <000801cf29d5$b2ada110$1808e330$@gmail.com> <68871AB2DA9F4E30AE1AC8DDF09F5944@VAIO> Message-ID: I'll check it out. Thanks Ashley. Phil On 2/16/14, Ashley Coleman wrote: > You are very welcome! You can find the Blinkie Chicks on Twitter as well by > > following @BlinkieChicks. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 10:46 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles > > Thanks Ashley. BTW, Blinkie Chicks sounds cool. > Phil > > > On 2/14/14, Ashley Coleman wrote: >> Hi, Check out the #AccessChat and #brlchat hashtags for some chats about >> accessibility, technology, teaching, and Braille. There are others, but >> This >> >> is what I have of them off the top of my head right this second. >> >> Ashley >> >> Check out the Blinkie Chicks at, >> www.blinkiechicks.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: justin williams >> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:40 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles >> >> I'm not even sure what question your are asking. Or it may be to techy >> for >> me to understand. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil >> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:38 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles >> >> Hi all, >> >> Do you know what are some popular hashtags and handles related to blind >> and >> visually impaired, besides #a11y? And it can be both technology or >> non-tech >> related. >> Thanks! >> >> Phil >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/philso1003%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/philso1003%40gmail.com > From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 07:42:11 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 02:42:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new member In-Reply-To: <53019642.74228c0a.3db7.ffff87c1@mx.google.com> References: <53019642.74228c0a.3db7.ffff87c1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <314343B7CEF2489F82A2834FB7E78C38@Helga> Hi Mohamed, this is Helga! That's great that you are liking the list! Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Mohamed Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 11:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new member Oh no worries, I'm not embarrased that easily. Yeah, I'll have fun here. I'll talk more about the victor reader stream. ----- Original Message ----- From: Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do anyone here use Course mail in the Blackboard site with JAWS, in order to write to your professor and classmates an email, and to attach files in order to submit? I’m just wondering, since I’m taking a Government class, and a biology class that is hybrid, and at some point I’m going to need to be sending attachments by using course mail. Also, do you know how to access a discussions list in order to write posts in Blackboard with JAWS as well? I’m just wondering as well, since I never did it before,and at some point of my Government class, we need to be able to write use the discussion list, and write a post. I’m not so sure how to do it. I will really appreciate it a lot if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 11:01:13 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 06:01:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Course Mail and the Discussion list in the Blackboard site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008201cf2bcf$930bea50$b923bef0$@gmail.com> I have the blackboard email forwarded to my real email. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 3:03 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Using Course Mail and the Discussion list in the Blackboard site Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do anyone here use Course mail in the Blackboard site with JAWS, in order to write to your professor and classmates an email, and to attach files in order to submit? I’m just wondering, since I’m taking a Government class, and a biology class that is hybrid, and at some point I’m going to need to be sending attachments by using course mail. Also, do you know how to access a discussions list in order to write posts in Blackboard with JAWS as well? I’m just wondering as well, since I never did it before,and at some point of my Government class, we need to be able to write use the discussion list, and write a post. I’m not so sure how to do it. I will really appreciate it a lot if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! From ligne14 at verizon.net Mon Feb 17 14:38:01 2014 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (sami osborne) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:38:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new member Message-ID: <0N15008L2A0IG610@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> Hi Mohammed, Welcome to the list! I think that you'll find the discussions on here interesting. Sami. ----- Original Message ----- From: I probably will. Do you guys talk about technoligy? You know, BrailleNotes and such? ----- Original Message ----- From: sami osborne Hi Mohamed welcome to the list. My name is Roanna Bacchus. I am graduating from Seminole State College in May. What type of BrailleNote do you have? From malhajamy at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 14:59:42 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:59:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new member Message-ID: <53022409.51568c0a.08ee.ffffda6f@mx.google.com> Don't I have you in my contacts? Well, I've got a BrailleNote apex, running 9.4. I think I have you in my contacts, don't I? ----- Original Message ----- From: Roanna Baccchus Yes I'm in your keychat contacts. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Feb 17 15:35:56 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 10:35:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new member In-Reply-To: References: <53018037.850be00a.65ad.7a0b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: glad you invited him. -----Original Message----- From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 11:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new member Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? Just to let you know, this is my friend Mohamed who I invite to the list! And Mohamed What's up? welcome to the list! Hope you like the list my friend! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) P.s. By the way, I hope I dididn't emberase you my friend! ;) -----Original Message----- From: Mohamed Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 10:20 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] new member Hi all, my name is Mohamed, and I'm a new member of the list. I heard about this list through of friend of mine, and have just subscribed. I can't wait to see what to see what this list is all about. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From amc05111 at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 16:06:27 2014 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 11:06:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles In-Reply-To: References: <000801cf29d5$b2ada110$1808e330$@gmail.com><68871AB2DA9F4E30AE1AC8DDF09F5944@VAIO> Message-ID: You are very welcome! Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Phil Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 1:11 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles I'll check it out. Thanks Ashley. Phil On 2/16/14, Ashley Coleman wrote: > You are very welcome! You can find the Blinkie Chicks on Twitter as well > by > > following @BlinkieChicks. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 10:46 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles > > Thanks Ashley. BTW, Blinkie Chicks sounds cool. > Phil > > > On 2/14/14, Ashley Coleman wrote: >> Hi, Check out the #AccessChat and #brlchat hashtags for some chats about >> accessibility, technology, teaching, and Braille. There are others, but >> This >> >> is what I have of them off the top of my head right this second. >> >> Ashley >> >> Check out the Blinkie Chicks at, >> www.blinkiechicks.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: justin williams >> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:40 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles >> >> I'm not even sure what question your are asking. Or it may be to techy >> for >> me to understand. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil >> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 5:38 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] blind related hashtags and handles >> >> Hi all, >> >> Do you know what are some popular hashtags and handles related to blind >> and >> visually impaired, besides #a11y? And it can be both technology or >> non-tech >> related. >> Thanks! >> >> Phil >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/philso1003%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/philso1003%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Feb 17 16:23:10 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 11:23:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new member In-Reply-To: <5302202d.4f72e00a.1b33.ffffc9a9@mx.google.com> References: <5302202d.4f72e00a.1b33.ffffc9a9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9B7157038AC54243849542733FD37D3C@OwnerPC> Hello, we can talk technology, but its best to tie it to student life as it’s a student list; for instance, if you are using your braille note for homework. Many of us have braille notetakers and book readers like vr streams, so that's a good topic. -----Original Message----- From: Mohamed Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 9:43 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new member I probably will. Do you guys talk about technoligy? You know, BrailleNotes and such? ----- Original Message ----- From: sami osborne Victor=20reader=20stream?=20I=20have=20one. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 References: <5301505d.e4ddb60a.1cc1.ffff892c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0FFFBD16-6B35-4678-B2D0-5E9CA6B5A23F@samobile.net> The first place to start unraveling "visual concepts "is to recognize that those things we consider to be visual really aren't. They are just traditionally taught using the visual modality. Once we realize that, we make a greater amount of room for creativity. We also recognize that there are inherently several ways to grasp the concept that benefit all people, not just blind people. I think this particular concept that material isn't inherently visual was probably the hardest my teachers had to grasp including my blindness education teacher. Often, educational accommodations were made based on what I could see. So, things were blown up if possible and were taught non-visually when needed. Naturally, this was not always that great of a solution. It would have been better to incorporate more than the visual modality. I probably would've had an easier time grasping various concepts. Honestly, I have a suspicion that many of my classmates would also have benefited. Our educational system is very limited that way. Fortunately, more it educators are starting to realize that there are multiple ways to teach a subject that benefit all students. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:33 PM, minh ha wrote: > > Kelsey, > > This really is an interesting subject. I don't really recall many > situations where my teachers had to use physical gestures to > demonstrate a point, except in middle school when we were studying the > different planets and revolutions and rotations. For some reason, it > was the only part of the curriculum that baffled me and I could not > grasp it no matter how hard. So what my science teacher did was have > different students be the planets and they would stand apart from each > other relative to how the planets are to each other in space. Then one > of my friends would walk with me from planet to planet to give me a > better sense of the distance between each planet. It was a really fun > exercise, not just for me but for everyone in the class. My teacher > also helped me understand the earth's revolutions and rotations by > having me be the earth and spin in circles while he also spun in > circles around me. It definitely made us stand out but it got the > point across. :) > > Minh > >> On 2/16/14, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >> Hello, >> I know many of my posts have been more serious o nature, but this >> one is a little more interesting. I started working on an >> aarticle for the Braille Monitor about teaching math and science >> to visually impaired students, but I haven't worked on it lately. >> Therefore, I would like you to think back to when you were in >> school. What were some visual concepts you had trouble >> understanding and what physical gestures did your teachers give >> you to help you visualize better? This could be either the >> regular classroom teacher or your teacher of the visually >> impaired told you. For me, some of the ones that I was told >> were: In geometry class, we were learning about different kinds >> of angles such as vertical, suplemental, alternate interior, >> alternate exterior, etc. The way vertical angles were explained >> to me was: Cross your fingers on both hands and then touch your >> hands together. The ppaaces where your fingers meet are what >> vertical angles are like. Another was in physics class when we >> were learning about positive and negative attraction in terms of >> magnetism. I was a little confused about the concept, so the >> teacher asked me to hold both hands out in front of me so they >> are close together bn touching and then move them toward each >> other to symbolize magnets being attracted and apart to >> illustrate polarity. Having her do that helped a lot. I must >> say that at times I felt pretty silly in that class lol >> considering all the physical gesturing I had to do in order to >> understand the concept. What about you? What physical gestures >> did your teachers come up with to help illustrate an otherwise >> difficult concept to understand? What class was it and what were >> you learning about at the time? >> Thanks, >> Kelsey Nicolay >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From malhajamy at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 16:28:55 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 11:28:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question about using keybase on the BrailleNote for schoolwork Message-ID: <530238f3.811ee00a.58e5.fffff348@mx.google.com> Hi all, I have a question. So, I do know how to use keybase, the databasepart of the BrailleNote. Do any of you have ideas on what kind of databases I could make a school? Thanks. From audioaccess2013 at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 23:22:39 2014 From: audioaccess2013 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:22:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Performing Arts Division Board Member Kevin Reeves Gets Interviewed About His Latest Album And More On Tonight's Djd Invasion Message-ID: <324D16C25DDF4660A2E6AF548AA436A3@AudioAccessFMPC> Hi All! Join in tonight for The Djd Invasion show, making its debut tonight on Sky106 Radio starting at 7 PM eastern. We've got lots of fun music from the 90s, some great pop classic rock and more, and, at 8 PM eastern, we'll be interviewing musician Kevin Reeves about his latest album "Remember To Forget." Why the album name? What's the point of the album? What is he trying to get across with the music? All this and more will be asked, plus you'll get to hear some songs from it. All this and more will come your way tonight, and you can even interact. During the show, you can Skype me at daviddunphyradio Call me at 516 945 9165 Tweet me at ddunphyradio Or search my music library for a song you'd like tohear by going to http://www.daviddunphyradio.com/requests And to listen in tonight, at any time between 7 and 10PM eastern, go on over to http://www.daviddunphyradio.com where you can listen with your I Dveice or computer, and yes, our volume controls are now accessible! Give them a try! Tonight's show should be fun, informative, and entertaining, so I hope to see you all there! >From David Dunphy From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Feb 17 23:37:53 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:37:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about using keybase on the BrailleNote forschoolwork Message-ID: <53029d86.27793c0a.10ed.052d@mx.google.com> I've never thought of using the database feature for schoolwork before, but it's an interesting idea. Keybase contains a list of several databases, including one for recipes, one for receipts, one for books, one for cataloging CD's, and several others. You can also create new databases if you wanted to make one for, say, keeping track of school assignments. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mohamed References: <5301505d.e4ddb60a.1cc1.ffff892c@mx.google.com> <0FFFBD16-6B35-4678-B2D0-5E9CA6B5A23F@samobile.net> Message-ID: Yes yes and yes! I recall Hoby Wedler giving a talk once at a convention where he described chemistry and physics as not being visual subjects, because nobody can see atoms or atomic particles regardless of visual acuity. So the pictures sighted chem and physics students use are really just representations of the concepts, just as tactile or auditory models are for us. There really is no qualitative difference between the two-dimensional pictures sighted students use and the three-dimensional pictures we may choose to use. I also agree with the point that teaching concepts in multiple ways usually benefits a greater majority of students. I wish the individualized education plan model of teaching blind and disabled students could be replaced with a more inclusive model of running classrooms in general. If classrooms are designed so that material is inherently taught in multiple ways, blind students should require few if any special accommodations. Arielle On 2/17/14, Jedi Moerke wrote: > The first place to start unraveling "visual concepts "is to recognize that > those things we consider to be visual really aren't. They are just > traditionally taught using the visual modality. Once we realize that, we > make a greater amount of room for creativity. We also recognize that there > are inherently several ways to grasp the concept that benefit all people, > not just blind people. I think this particular concept that material isn't > inherently visual was probably the hardest my teachers had to grasp > including my blindness education teacher. Often, educational accommodations > were made based on what I could see. So, things were blown up if possible > and were taught non-visually when needed. Naturally, this was not always > that great of a solution. It would have been better to incorporate more than > the visual modality. I probably would've had an easier time grasping various > concepts. Honestly, I have a suspicion that many of my classmates would also > have benefited. Our educational system is very limited that way. > Fortunately, more it educators are starting to realize that there are > multiple ways to teach a subject that benefit all students. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:33 PM, minh ha wrote: >> >> Kelsey, >> >> This really is an interesting subject. I don't really recall many >> situations where my teachers had to use physical gestures to >> demonstrate a point, except in middle school when we were studying the >> different planets and revolutions and rotations. For some reason, it >> was the only part of the curriculum that baffled me and I could not >> grasp it no matter how hard. So what my science teacher did was have >> different students be the planets and they would stand apart from each >> other relative to how the planets are to each other in space. Then one >> of my friends would walk with me from planet to planet to give me a >> better sense of the distance between each planet. It was a really fun >> exercise, not just for me but for everyone in the class. My teacher >> also helped me understand the earth's revolutions and rotations by >> having me be the earth and spin in circles while he also spun in >> circles around me. It definitely made us stand out but it got the >> point across. :) >> >> Minh >> >>> On 2/16/14, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I know many of my posts have been more serious o nature, but this >>> one is a little more interesting. I started working on an >>> aarticle for the Braille Monitor about teaching math and science >>> to visually impaired students, but I haven't worked on it lately. >>> Therefore, I would like you to think back to when you were in >>> school. What were some visual concepts you had trouble >>> understanding and what physical gestures did your teachers give >>> you to help you visualize better? This could be either the >>> regular classroom teacher or your teacher of the visually >>> impaired told you. For me, some of the ones that I was told >>> were: In geometry class, we were learning about different kinds >>> of angles such as vertical, suplemental, alternate interior, >>> alternate exterior, etc. The way vertical angles were explained >>> to me was: Cross your fingers on both hands and then touch your >>> hands together. The ppaaces where your fingers meet are what >>> vertical angles are like. Another was in physics class when we >>> were learning about positive and negative attraction in terms of >>> magnetism. I was a little confused about the concept, so the >>> teacher asked me to hold both hands out in front of me so they >>> are close together bn touching and then move them toward each >>> other to symbolize magnets being attracted and apart to >>> illustrate polarity. Having her do that helped a lot. I must >>> say that at times I felt pretty silly in that class lol >>> considering all the physical gesturing I had to do in order to >>> understand the concept. What about you? What physical gestures >>> did your teachers come up with to help illustrate an otherwise >>> difficult concept to understand? What class was it and what were >>> you learning about at the time? >>> Thanks, >>> Kelsey Nicolay >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Feb 18 00:35:19 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:35:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new member In-Reply-To: <5302383d.4f72e00a.1b33.ffffe4dc@mx.google.com> References: <5302383d.4f72e00a.1b33.ffffe4dc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <012001cf2c41$500a4360$f01eca20$@gmail.com> Mohammed, Firstly, welcome to the list. I hope you find the discussion here both informative and entertaining. Although we are a list geared toward blind students, we have been known = to talk about topics which are not directly applicable to students but = which apply to all blind people. Topics like technology, cane travel and blindness philosophy would fit into this category. In my time here, I = have found that we try to keep our discussion to blindness-related matters, = but we do not limit ourselves to discussing subjects which are specifically = for students. So, if you have a technology question, you are welcome to ask = it here. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mohamed Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 11:26 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new member Victor reader stream? I have one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <53029d86.27793c0a.10ed.052d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: One thing you might be able to do if you really wanted: Create a grade database. Have the fields be something like Class, Assignment, Due Date, Grade out of 100 and Comments, or something like that. Patrick On 2/17/14, Sophie Trist wrote: > I've never thought of using the database feature for schoolwork > before, but it's an interesting idea. Keybase contains a list of > several databases, including one for recipes, one for receipts, > one for books, one for cataloging CD's, and several others. You > can also create new databases if you wanted to make one for, say, > keeping track of school assignments. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mohamed To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 11:28:55 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] question about using keybase on the BrailleNote > forschoolwork > > Hi all, I have a question. So, I do know how to use keybase, the > databasepart of the BrailleNote. Do any of you have ideas on > what kind of databases I could make a school? Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From lilliepennington at fuse.net Wed Feb 19 03:27:26 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:27:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] how did you learn visual concepts in school In-Reply-To: <0FFFBD16-6B35-4678-B2D0-5E9CA6B5A23F@samobile.net> References: <5301505d.e4ddb60a.1cc1.ffff892c@mx.google.com> <0FFFBD16-6B35-4678-B2D0-5E9CA6B5A23F@samobile.net> Message-ID: <848E4104-13EA-4753-A6D5-E4BEAD1A83F6@fuse.net> I agree. I think education mainly only is good for visual learners. In terms of of what I use, for the past few years I have been very fortunate to have very excellent tactile diagrams. Some of these diagrams have been also used in classroom instruction after the fact like a 5 foot strip depicting moon phases throughout the month using sand to show the light. Another thing I found interesting in algebra I learning quadratic functions. I was using a computer program to show the motion of the graph. My teacher showed the class the sounds parabolas looked or sounded verses other linear equations. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 17, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Jedi Moerke wrote: > > The first place to start unraveling "visual concepts "is to recognize that those things we consider to be visual really aren't. They are just traditionally taught using the visual modality. Once we realize that, we make a greater amount of room for creativity. We also recognize that there are inherently several ways to grasp the concept that benefit all people, not just blind people. I think this particular concept that material isn't inherently visual was probably the hardest my teachers had to grasp including my blindness education teacher. Often, educational accommodations were made based on what I could see. So, things were blown up if possible and were taught non-visually when needed. Naturally, this was not always that great of a solution. It would have been better to incorporate more than the visual modality. I probably would've had an easier time grasping various concepts. Honestly, I have a suspicion that many of my classmates would also have benefited. Our educational system is very limited that way. Fortunately, more it educators are starting to realize that there are multiple ways to teach a subject that benefit all students. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:33 PM, minh ha wrote: >> >> Kelsey, >> >> This really is an interesting subject. I don't really recall many >> situations where my teachers had to use physical gestures to >> demonstrate a point, except in middle school when we were studying the >> different planets and revolutions and rotations. For some reason, it >> was the only part of the curriculum that baffled me and I could not >> grasp it no matter how hard. So what my science teacher did was have >> different students be the planets and they would stand apart from each >> other relative to how the planets are to each other in space. Then one >> of my friends would walk with me from planet to planet to give me a >> better sense of the distance between each planet. It was a really fun >> exercise, not just for me but for everyone in the class. My teacher >> also helped me understand the earth's revolutions and rotations by >> having me be the earth and spin in circles while he also spun in >> circles around me. It definitely made us stand out but it got the >> point across. :) >> >> Minh >> >>> On 2/16/14, Kelsey Nicolay wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I know many of my posts have been more serious o nature, but this >>> one is a little more interesting. I started working on an >>> aarticle for the Braille Monitor about teaching math and science >>> to visually impaired students, but I haven't worked on it lately. >>> Therefore, I would like you to think back to when you were in >>> school. What were some visual concepts you had trouble >>> understanding and what physical gestures did your teachers give >>> you to help you visualize better? This could be either the >>> regular classroom teacher or your teacher of the visually >>> impaired told you. For me, some of the ones that I was told >>> were: In geometry class, we were learning about different kinds >>> of angles such as vertical, suplemental, alternate interior, From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 18:45:56 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:45:56 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Comments in MS Word 2010 and JAWS 15 Message-ID: Hi all, I have a project where I must use a plethora of comments to code text in a word document. The most efficient way for me to do this is by inserting comments. I know that I can select text and insert a comment. However, how can I view a list of comments? Does the selected text appear beside the comment in the list that I pull up? Is there anything else helpful to know about comments? In my experience, they seem annoying and I much prefer parenthetical inline text. However, I have to use so many codes for this data that it would cut up the flow of the document significantly, and it is easier for my teammates to use comments. So I'll take any suggestions. My other question is about searching for information regarding using JAWS with an application. For some reason, I seem to have a difficult time using the proper search terms to get what I want. I can solve 99% of my problems by Googling the answer. For some reason, I can try multiple phrases having to do with JAWS 15 and whatever application I need assistance with such as ms word 2010 and comments, and I have a very hard time finding info on the web. If anyone has good, comprehensive web pages, that would be great. I'm sure Freedom Scientific has helpful web pages, and that I can of course look at a JAWS manual. I have just found that clicking through a ton of pages is not efficient, and I would love to bookmark a few good resources. Thanks. -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From trillian551 at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 19:01:09 2014 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:01:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Comments in MS Word 2010 and JAWS 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cindy, As to your first question, after learning about Jaws quick keys in Word, I've actually grown to love comments. Seriously! Do Insert+Z, and if you press N it will take you to the next comments. Shift +N does previous comment. You can navigate footnotes, )O) revisions (r), and a few other features this way. Also, if you have tracked changes on, I always view the documents in final, no mark ups, view, so Jaws doesn't announce every deletion and insertion. Hope that helps. Mary F On 2/19/14, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a project where I must use a plethora of comments to code text > in a word document. The most efficient way for me to do this is by > inserting comments. I know that I can select text and insert a > comment. However, how can I view a list of comments? Does the selected > text appear beside the comment in the list that I pull up? Is there > anything else helpful to know about comments? In my experience, they > seem annoying and I much prefer parenthetical inline text. However, I > have to use so many codes for this data that it would cut up the flow > of the document significantly, and it is easier for my teammates to > use comments. So I'll take any suggestions. > > My other question is about searching for information regarding using > JAWS with an application. For some reason, I seem to have a difficult > time using the proper search terms to get what I want. I can solve 99% > of my problems by Googling the answer. For some reason, I can try > multiple phrases having to do with JAWS 15 and whatever application I > need assistance with such as ms word 2010 and comments, and I have a > very hard time finding info on the web. If anyone has good, > comprehensive web pages, that would be great. I'm sure Freedom > Scientific has helpful web pages, and that I can of course look at a > JAWS manual. I have just found that clicking through a ton of pages is > not efficient, and I would love to bookmark a few good resources. > > Thanks. > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." -- Maya Angelou From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 19:10:40 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:10:40 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Comments in MS Word 2010 and JAWS 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mary, Yes, this is very helpful! When you press n, can you read the text around a comment? Can you know exactly which text the comment is referring to? Thanks, Cindy On 2/19/14, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Cindy, > As to your first question, after learning about Jaws quick keys in > Word, I've actually grown to love comments. Seriously! > Do Insert+Z, and if you press N it will take you to the next comments. > Shift +N does previous comment. You can navigate footnotes, )O) > revisions (r), and a few other features this way. Also, if you have > tracked changes on, I always view the documents in final, no mark ups, > view, so Jaws doesn't announce every deletion and insertion. > Hope that helps. > Mary F > > On 2/19/14, Cindy Bennett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a project where I must use a plethora of comments to code text >> in a word document. The most efficient way for me to do this is by >> inserting comments. I know that I can select text and insert a >> comment. However, how can I view a list of comments? Does the selected >> text appear beside the comment in the list that I pull up? Is there >> anything else helpful to know about comments? In my experience, they >> seem annoying and I much prefer parenthetical inline text. However, I >> have to use so many codes for this data that it would cut up the flow >> of the document significantly, and it is easier for my teammates to >> use comments. So I'll take any suggestions. >> >> My other question is about searching for information regarding using >> JAWS with an application. For some reason, I seem to have a difficult >> time using the proper search terms to get what I want. I can solve 99% >> of my problems by Googling the answer. For some reason, I can try >> multiple phrases having to do with JAWS 15 and whatever application I >> need assistance with such as ms word 2010 and comments, and I have a >> very hard time finding info on the web. If anyone has good, >> comprehensive web pages, that would be great. I'm sure Freedom >> Scientific has helpful web pages, and that I can of course look at a >> JAWS manual. I have just found that clicking through a ton of pages is >> not efficient, and I would love to bookmark a few good resources. >> >> Thanks. >> >> -- >> Cindy Bennett >> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >> >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." > -- > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From trillian551 at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 19:28:27 2014 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:28:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Comments in MS Word 2010 and JAWS 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, the great thing is that it gives you the comment in context, with the initials of the person who wrote it. So once you do N or shift N you can read the line per usual, and the comment will be read rightt where it was inserted. Make sense? Mary F On 2/19/14, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Hi Mary, > > Yes, this is very helpful! When you press n, can you read the text > around a comment? Can you know exactly which text the comment is > referring to? > > Thanks, > > Cindy > > On 2/19/14, Mary Fernandez wrote: >> Cindy, >> As to your first question, after learning about Jaws quick keys in >> Word, I've actually grown to love comments. Seriously! >> Do Insert+Z, and if you press N it will take you to the next comments. >> Shift +N does previous comment. You can navigate footnotes, )O) >> revisions (r), and a few other features this way. Also, if you have >> tracked changes on, I always view the documents in final, no mark ups, >> view, so Jaws doesn't announce every deletion and insertion. >> Hope that helps. >> Mary F >> >> On 2/19/14, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a project where I must use a plethora of comments to code text >>> in a word document. The most efficient way for me to do this is by >>> inserting comments. I know that I can select text and insert a >>> comment. However, how can I view a list of comments? Does the selected >>> text appear beside the comment in the list that I pull up? Is there >>> anything else helpful to know about comments? In my experience, they >>> seem annoying and I much prefer parenthetical inline text. However, I >>> have to use so many codes for this data that it would cut up the flow >>> of the document significantly, and it is easier for my teammates to >>> use comments. So I'll take any suggestions. >>> >>> My other question is about searching for information regarding using >>> JAWS with an application. For some reason, I seem to have a difficult >>> time using the proper search terms to get what I want. I can solve 99% >>> of my problems by Googling the answer. For some reason, I can try >>> multiple phrases having to do with JAWS 15 and whatever application I >>> need assistance with such as ms word 2010 and comments, and I have a >>> very hard time finding info on the web. If anyone has good, >>> comprehensive web pages, that would be great. I'm sure Freedom >>> Scientific has helpful web pages, and that I can of course look at a >>> JAWS manual. I have just found that clicking through a ton of pages is >>> not efficient, and I would love to bookmark a few good resources. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> -- >>> Cindy Bennett >>> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >>> >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will >> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them >> feel." >> -- >> Maya Angelou >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." -- Maya Angelou From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Feb 19 19:35:17 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:35:17 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Comments in MS Word 2010 and JAWS 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, this does make sense. And I'm sure it will make more sense once I try it. If I have any other questions I will let you know. If anyone else has other suggestions, please share them. Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 19, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > > Yeah, the great thing is that it gives you the comment in context, > with the initials of the person who wrote it. > So once you do N or shift N you can read the line per usual, and the > comment will be read rightt where it was inserted. > Make sense? > Mary F > >> On 2/19/14, Cindy Bennett wrote: >> Hi Mary, >> >> Yes, this is very helpful! When you press n, can you read the text >> around a comment? Can you know exactly which text the comment is >> referring to? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Cindy >> >>> On 2/19/14, Mary Fernandez wrote: >>> Cindy, >>> As to your first question, after learning about Jaws quick keys in >>> Word, I've actually grown to love comments. Seriously! >>> Do Insert+Z, and if you press N it will take you to the next comments. >>> Shift +N does previous comment. You can navigate footnotes, )O) >>> revisions (r), and a few other features this way. Also, if you have >>> tracked changes on, I always view the documents in final, no mark ups, >>> view, so Jaws doesn't announce every deletion and insertion. >>> Hope that helps. >>> Mary F >>> >>>> On 2/19/14, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I have a project where I must use a plethora of comments to code text >>>> in a word document. The most efficient way for me to do this is by >>>> inserting comments. I know that I can select text and insert a >>>> comment. However, how can I view a list of comments? Does the selected >>>> text appear beside the comment in the list that I pull up? Is there >>>> anything else helpful to know about comments? In my experience, they >>>> seem annoying and I much prefer parenthetical inline text. However, I >>>> have to use so many codes for this data that it would cut up the flow >>>> of the document significantly, and it is easier for my teammates to >>>> use comments. So I'll take any suggestions. >>>> >>>> My other question is about searching for information regarding using >>>> JAWS with an application. For some reason, I seem to have a difficult >>>> time using the proper search terms to get what I want. I can solve 99% >>>> of my problems by Googling the answer. For some reason, I can try >>>> multiple phrases having to do with JAWS 15 and whatever application I >>>> need assistance with such as ms word 2010 and comments, and I have a >>>> very hard time finding info on the web. If anyone has good, >>>> comprehensive web pages, that would be great. I'm sure Freedom >>>> Scientific has helpful web pages, and that I can of course look at a >>>> JAWS manual. I have just found that clicking through a ton of pages is >>>> not efficient, and I would love to bookmark a few good resources. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cindy Bennett >>>> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mary Fernandez >>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will >>> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them >>> feel." >>> -- >>> Maya Angelou >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Cindy Bennett >> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >> >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." > -- > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 01:15:12 2014 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:15:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? Message-ID: Hi Everyone: For our response posts in my online Communications class, we have to read an excerpt that is in PDF format. That is usually fine, except this time when I clicked on the PDF JAWS said "document is empty." I know this means the PDF was scanned and OCR was not used. First, is there anything I can do on my own to be able to read this PDF? Next, how do I explain to the professor in simple terms that the pdf was scanned with no OCR and so it is an image? How can the professor make this pdf accessible so I can read it? What do you all do about inaccessible PDFs? Thanks, Kerri Just now From filerime at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 01:34:08 2014 From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:34:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: send it to me. I have abbyy finereader I can convert it for you it won't be perfect but basicly it will be readable. 2014-02-19 20:15 GMT-05:00, Kerri Kosten : > Hi Everyone: > > For our response posts in my online Communications class, we have to > read an excerpt that is in PDF format. That is usually fine, except > this time when I clicked on the PDF JAWS said "document is empty." I > know this means the PDF was scanned and OCR was not used. > First, is there anything I can do on my own to be able to read this PDF? > Next, how do I explain to the professor in simple terms that the pdf > was scanned with no OCR and so it is an image? How can the professor > make this pdf accessible so I can read it? > What do you all do about inaccessible PDFs? > Thanks, > Kerri > > Just now > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 01:53:20 2014 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:53:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I'm going to try and tackle your questions, but if none of this makes sense, feel free to email me with questions. First: as to what you can do with the PDF, Kurzweil, OpenBook, or Abbbyy FineReader, you will be able to convert the document on your own. You can also try, if you have a scanner, printing and scanning the document into your computer, if it doesn't scan into jpeg or Tiff images, that is. As for what to tell your professor, I find the best rule of thumb to use is this. If you can't highlight a small portion of text in the document without highlighting the whole document, it is an image and needs to be converted. Most documents originate electronically. So, if your professor can find the original file, tthat will definitely help. Image PDF's are an unfortunate occurrence in the academic environment and the best thing for us to do is to educate people constantly about the barriers that these documents present. Hope this helps, Aleeha On 2/19/14, Elif Emir wrote: > send it to me. > I have abbyy finereader > I can convert it for you > it won't be perfect but basicly it will be readable. > > 2014-02-19 20:15 GMT-05:00, Kerri Kosten : >> Hi Everyone: >> >> For our response posts in my online Communications class, we have to >> read an excerpt that is in PDF format. That is usually fine, except >> this time when I clicked on the PDF JAWS said "document is empty." I >> know this means the PDF was scanned and OCR was not used. >> First, is there anything I can do on my own to be able to read this PDF? >> Next, how do I explain to the professor in simple terms that the pdf >> was scanned with no OCR and so it is an image? How can the professor >> make this pdf accessible so I can read it? >> What do you all do about inaccessible PDFs? >> Thanks, >> Kerri >> >> Just now >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 01:57:20 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:57:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can also save the PDF and email it as an attachment to convert at robobraille.org with the word "doc" (without quotes) in the subject line. RoboBraille will return the file to you in Word format. It's free and does a remarkable job. If the course website won't let you save the PDF to your computer, then ask your professor to email it to you as an attachment. You can then just forward your prof's email to convert at robobraille.org Best, Arielle On 2/19/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > Hello, > I'm going to try and tackle your questions, but if none of this > makes sense, feel free to email me with questions. > First: as to what you can do with the PDF, Kurzweil, OpenBook, or > Abbbyy FineReader, you will be able to convert the document on your > own. You can also try, if you have a scanner, printing and scanning > the document into your computer, if it doesn't scan into jpeg or Tiff > images, that is. > As for what to tell your professor, I find the best rule of thumb > to use is this. If you can't highlight a small portion of text in the > document without highlighting the whole document, it is an image and > needs to be converted. Most documents originate electronically. So, if > your professor can find the original file, tthat will definitely help. > Image PDF's are an unfortunate occurrence in the academic environment > and the best thing for us to do is to educate people constantly about > the barriers that these documents present. > Hope this helps, > Aleeha > > On 2/19/14, Elif Emir wrote: >> send it to me. >> I have abbyy finereader >> I can convert it for you >> it won't be perfect but basicly it will be readable. >> >> 2014-02-19 20:15 GMT-05:00, Kerri Kosten : >>> Hi Everyone: >>> >>> For our response posts in my online Communications class, we have to >>> read an excerpt that is in PDF format. That is usually fine, except >>> this time when I clicked on the PDF JAWS said "document is empty." I >>> know this means the PDF was scanned and OCR was not used. >>> First, is there anything I can do on my own to be able to read this PDF? >>> Next, how do I explain to the professor in simple terms that the pdf >>> was scanned with no OCR and so it is an image? How can the professor >>> make this pdf accessible so I can read it? >>> What do you all do about inaccessible PDFs? >>> Thanks, >>> Kerri >>> >>> Just now >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From lissa1531 at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 04:33:17 2014 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:33:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? References: Message-ID: <1C4A219A59D748618212E7BD16204C95@HP30910210001> you can also go to their web site and upload the file and choose the file type that you want the document converted. thank you arielle for showing me this site. It has helped me a lot over the past year or so. Oh and they do not do xcell files. But they do power point presentations and other image files. Have a blessed day. Best, Melissa R Green and PJ Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? You can also save the PDF and email it as an attachment to convert at robobraille.org with the word "doc" (without quotes) in the subject line. RoboBraille will return the file to you in Word format. It's free and does a remarkable job. If the course website won't let you save the PDF to your computer, then ask your professor to email it to you as an attachment. You can then just forward your prof's email to convert at robobraille.org Best, Arielle On 2/19/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > Hello, > I'm going to try and tackle your questions, but if none of this > makes sense, feel free to email me with questions. > First: as to what you can do with the PDF, Kurzweil, OpenBook, or > Abbbyy FineReader, you will be able to convert the document on your > own. You can also try, if you have a scanner, printing and scanning > the document into your computer, if it doesn't scan into jpeg or Tiff > images, that is. > As for what to tell your professor, I find the best rule of thumb > to use is this. If you can't highlight a small portion of text in the > document without highlighting the whole document, it is an image and > needs to be converted. Most documents originate electronically. So, if > your professor can find the original file, tthat will definitely help. > Image PDF's are an unfortunate occurrence in the academic environment > and the best thing for us to do is to educate people constantly about > the barriers that these documents present. > Hope this helps, > Aleeha > > On 2/19/14, Elif Emir wrote: >> send it to me. >> I have abbyy finereader >> I can convert it for you >> it won't be perfect but basicly it will be readable. >> >> 2014-02-19 20:15 GMT-05:00, Kerri Kosten : >>> Hi Everyone: >>> >>> For our response posts in my online Communications class, we have to >>> read an excerpt that is in PDF format. That is usually fine, except >>> this time when I clicked on the PDF JAWS said "document is empty." I >>> know this means the PDF was scanned and OCR was not used. >>> First, is there anything I can do on my own to be able to read this PDF? >>> Next, how do I explain to the professor in simple terms that the pdf >>> was scanned with no OCR and so it is an image? How can the professor >>> make this pdf accessible so I can read it? >>> What do you all do about inaccessible PDFs? >>> Thanks, >>> Kerri >>> >>> Just now >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 05:05:41 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 00:05:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Comments in MS Word 2010 and JAWS 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008701cf2df9$673fba10$35bf2e30$@gmail.com> Also, Shift control apostrophe will list comments. Shift alt apostrophe will announce the comment at the cursor. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Bennett Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 1:46 PM To: National Asociation of Blind Students Subject: [nabs-l] Using Comments in MS Word 2010 and JAWS 15 Hi all, I have a project where I must use a plethora of comments to code text in a word document. The most efficient way for me to do this is by inserting comments. I know that I can select text and insert a comment. However, how can I view a list of comments? Does the selected text appear beside the comment in the list that I pull up? Is there anything else helpful to know about comments? In my experience, they seem annoying and I much prefer parenthetical inline text. However, I have to use so many codes for this data that it would cut up the flow of the document significantly, and it is easier for my teammates to use comments. So I'll take any suggestions. My other question is about searching for information regarding using JAWS with an application. For some reason, I seem to have a difficult time using the proper search terms to get what I want. I can solve 99% of my problems by Googling the answer. For some reason, I can try multiple phrases having to do with JAWS 15 and whatever application I need assistance with such as ms word 2010 and comments, and I have a very hard time finding info on the web. If anyone has good, comprehensive web pages, that would be great. I'm sure Freedom Scientific has helpful web pages, and that I can of course look at a JAWS manual. I have just found that clicking through a ton of pages is not efficient, and I would love to bookmark a few good resources. Thanks. -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 05:06:01 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 00:06:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Comments in MS Word 2010 and JAWS 15 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008801cf2df9$73626a90$5a273fb0$@gmail.com> Those key strokes are if you are not in virtual mode. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Bennett Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 1:46 PM To: National Asociation of Blind Students Subject: [nabs-l] Using Comments in MS Word 2010 and JAWS 15 Hi all, I have a project where I must use a plethora of comments to code text in a word document. The most efficient way for me to do this is by inserting comments. I know that I can select text and insert a comment. However, how can I view a list of comments? Does the selected text appear beside the comment in the list that I pull up? Is there anything else helpful to know about comments? In my experience, they seem annoying and I much prefer parenthetical inline text. However, I have to use so many codes for this data that it would cut up the flow of the document significantly, and it is easier for my teammates to use comments. So I'll take any suggestions. My other question is about searching for information regarding using JAWS with an application. For some reason, I seem to have a difficult time using the proper search terms to get what I want. I can solve 99% of my problems by Googling the answer. For some reason, I can try multiple phrases having to do with JAWS 15 and whatever application I need assistance with such as ms word 2010 and comments, and I have a very hard time finding info on the web. If anyone has good, comprehensive web pages, that would be great. I'm sure Freedom Scientific has helpful web pages, and that I can of course look at a JAWS manual. I have just found that clicking through a ton of pages is not efficient, and I would love to bookmark a few good resources. Thanks. -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 07:26:45 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 02:26:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] 2014 NFB Student Scholarship Message-ID: Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, Do you know what type of font does the essay needs to be in, in order to upload it into the Scholarship application? Just curious! I actually didn’t write my essay yet, but I am just wondering the type of font that it has to be. By the way, can the essay be the same one that I wrote last year? Just wondering. Also, I just wanted to tell you that my College unofficial transcripts are on my college site. I just wanted to ask you, in order to upload my college transcripts to the scholarship application, can I just upload my transcripts from my college site, or do I have to ask for someone to print me the print copy of them and then scan them in order to upload them to my scholarship application? I’m just curious!! Just to let you know, I actually apply last year, but I didn’t win, and I didn’t know any of you. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! P.S. I forgot to ask you, do you guys know the email address of Ms. Patty, the Head Chair of the Scholarship Committee? I’m just wondering, just in case that I need to ask her some questions. 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Thanks, Kerri On 2/19/14, melissa Green wrote: > you can also go to their web site and upload the file and choose the file > type that you want the document converted. > thank you arielle for showing me this site. > It has helped me a lot over the past year or so. > Oh and they do not do xcell files. > But they do power point presentations and other image files. > > Have a blessed day. > Best, > Melissa R Green and PJ > Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? > > > You can also save the PDF and email it as an attachment to > convert at robobraille.org > with the word "doc" (without quotes) in the subject line. RoboBraille > will return the file to you in Word format. It's free and does a > remarkable job. > If the course website won't let you save the PDF to your computer, > then ask your professor to email it to you as an attachment. You can > then just forward your prof's email to > convert at robobraille.org > Best, > Arielle > > On 2/19/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >> Hello, >> I'm going to try and tackle your questions, but if none of this >> makes sense, feel free to email me with questions. >> First: as to what you can do with the PDF, Kurzweil, OpenBook, or >> Abbbyy FineReader, you will be able to convert the document on your >> own. You can also try, if you have a scanner, printing and scanning >> the document into your computer, if it doesn't scan into jpeg or Tiff >> images, that is. >> As for what to tell your professor, I find the best rule of thumb >> to use is this. If you can't highlight a small portion of text in the >> document without highlighting the whole document, it is an image and >> needs to be converted. Most documents originate electronically. So, if >> your professor can find the original file, tthat will definitely help. >> Image PDF's are an unfortunate occurrence in the academic environment >> and the best thing for us to do is to educate people constantly about >> the barriers that these documents present. >> Hope this helps, >> Aleeha >> >> On 2/19/14, Elif Emir wrote: >>> send it to me. >>> I have abbyy finereader >>> I can convert it for you >>> it won't be perfect but basicly it will be readable. >>> >>> 2014-02-19 20:15 GMT-05:00, Kerri Kosten : >>>> Hi Everyone: >>>> >>>> For our response posts in my online Communications class, we have to >>>> read an excerpt that is in PDF format. That is usually fine, except >>>> this time when I clicked on the PDF JAWS said "document is empty." I >>>> know this means the PDF was scanned and OCR was not used. >>>> First, is there anything I can do on my own to be able to read this >>>> PDF? >>>> Next, how do I explain to the professor in simple terms that the pdf >>>> was scanned with no OCR and so it is an image? How can the professor >>>> make this pdf accessible so I can read it? >>>> What do you all do about inaccessible PDFs? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> Just now >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 09:15:33 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 04:15:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? In-Reply-To: References: <1C4A219A59D748618212E7BD16204C95@HP30910210001> Message-ID: <2B5C1AE0-7BC1-45D1-8885-5AC450A74AC5@gmail.com> Hi guys, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I sent an attachment of 6 Budget Tables that is in PDF format to convert at robobraille.org But it didn't work! And I actually put in the subject line the word "doc" without quotes as Arielle suggested, but it didn't work when I sent it, the email never came back to me. I don't know waht I'm doing wrong! I'm just wondering, how do you guys get it in order for Robo Braille to sent you an email back with your word document? Just curious! Do I need to create an account or something? Actually, I actually never use Robo Braille before, so this is actually my first time! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:52 AM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > > Hi Everyone: > > Thanks so much for your help. > I ended up using Robobraille. It came back fine and works great! > I would recomend robobraille.org to anyone who has this inaccessible > pdf problem! > Thanks, > Kerri > >> On 2/19/14, melissa Green wrote: >> you can also go to their web site and upload the file and choose the file >> type that you want the document converted. >> thank you arielle for showing me this site. >> It has helped me a lot over the past year or so. >> Oh and they do not do xcell files. >> But they do power point presentations and other image files. >> >> Have a blessed day. >> Best, >> Melissa R Green and PJ >> Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? >> >> >> You can also save the PDF and email it as an attachment to >> convert at robobraille.org >> with the word "doc" (without quotes) in the subject line. RoboBraille >> will return the file to you in Word format. It's free and does a >> remarkable job. >> If the course website won't let you save the PDF to your computer, >> then ask your professor to email it to you as an attachment. You can >> then just forward your prof's email to >> convert at robobraille.org >> Best, >> Arielle >> >>> On 2/19/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I'm going to try and tackle your questions, but if none of this >>> makes sense, feel free to email me with questions. >>> First: as to what you can do with the PDF, Kurzweil, OpenBook, or >>> Abbbyy FineReader, you will be able to convert the document on your >>> own. You can also try, if you have a scanner, printing and scanning >>> the document into your computer, if it doesn't scan into jpeg or Tiff >>> images, that is. >>> As for what to tell your professor, I find the best rule of thumb >>> to use is this. If you can't highlight a small portion of text in the >>> document without highlighting the whole document, it is an image and >>> needs to be converted. Most documents originate electronically. So, if >>> your professor can find the original file, tthat will definitely help. >>> Image PDF's are an unfortunate occurrence in the academic environment >>> and the best thing for us to do is to educate people constantly about >>> the barriers that these documents present. >>> Hope this helps, >>> Aleeha >>> >>>> On 2/19/14, Elif Emir wrote: >>>> send it to me. >>>> I have abbyy finereader >>>> I can convert it for you >>>> it won't be perfect but basicly it will be readable. >>>> >>>> 2014-02-19 20:15 GMT-05:00, Kerri Kosten : >>>>> Hi Everyone: >>>>> >>>>> For our response posts in my online Communications class, we have to >>>>> read an excerpt that is in PDF format. That is usually fine, except >>>>> this time when I clicked on the PDF JAWS said "document is empty." I >>>>> know this means the PDF was scanned and OCR was not used. >>>>> First, is there anything I can do on my own to be able to read this >>>>> PDF? >>>>> Next, how do I explain to the professor in simple terms that the pdf >>>>> was scanned with no OCR and so it is an image? How can the professor >>>>> make this pdf accessible so I can read it? >>>>> What do you all do about inaccessible PDFs? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Kerri >>>>> >>>>> Just now >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From chopper992 at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 11:08:01 2014 From: chopper992 at gmail.com (Chopper Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 06:08:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question about using keybase on the BrailleNote for schoolwork In-Reply-To: <530238f3.811ee00a.58e5.fffff348@mx.google.com> References: <530238f3.811ee00a.58e5.fffff348@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I think a lot has to do with what sort of things you are working in / researching. I am a history major, so I'm doing a lot of research over multiple sources. If you were doing something like that, you could set up a database with quotes you wanted to use, and add things as you find them. Make you columns something like "key word", "author", "book or article", "page number" and "full quote." On Feb 17, 2014 11:30 AM, "Mohamed" wrote: > Hi all, I have a question. So, I do know how to use keybase, the > databasepart of the BrailleNote. Do any of you have ideas on what kind of > databases I could make a school? Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chopper992%40gmail.com > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 13:06:58 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 05:06:58 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] 2014 NFB Student Scholarship In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4692CB56-F9E6-401F-9E95-744978BD17CC@gmail.com> Hello Helga, I believe that most of your questions if not all of them can be answered at www.nfb.org/scholarships This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > On Feb 19, 2014, at 11:26 PM, wrote: > > Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, Do you know what type of font does the essay needs to be in, in order to upload it into the Scholarship application? Just curious! I actually didn’t write my essay yet, but I am just wondering the type of font that it has to be. By the way, can the essay be the same one that I wrote last year? Just wondering. Also, I just wanted to tell you that my College unofficial transcripts are on my college site. I just wanted to ask you, in order to upload my college transcripts to the scholarship application, can I just upload my transcripts from my college site, or do I have to ask for someone to print me the print copy of them and then scan them in order to upload them to my scholarship application? I’m just curious!! Just to let you know, I actually apply last year, but I didn’t win, and I didn’t know any of you. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > P.S. I forgot to ask you, do you guys know the email address of Ms. Patty, the Head Chair of the Scholarship Committee? I’m just wondering, just in case that I need to ask her some questions. Thanks again! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From chopper992 at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 13:59:02 2014 From: chopper992 at gmail.com (Chopper Johnson) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 08:59:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] 2014 NFB Student Scholarship In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Helga: As Darian said, most of the stuff about the scholarships can be found on the NFB.org scholarship page, including the email for all scholarship-related questions (scholarships at nfb.org). You should be able to get any answers you need by contacting that email. Also, check out the scholarship FAQ page: https://nfb.org/scholarship-faq As far as what format your personal statement should be in, I'd say the same form and font you use for class work. It is submitted electronically, so anyone reading it should be able to manipulate it into whatever form they are most comfortable with. But, you may want to stay away from odd fonts, anyway. And when they say "700 words or less," they don't mean 705, or 701. Patti is a lawyer by trade; I wouldn't try to fudge it. For the transcript, they want an official transcript from your school's Registrar's Office, or Academic Affairs. The school will make an official copy, stamp it with the school seal, and send it out. Wait about a week and email the scholarship email to make sure it showed up. Some schools do official transcripts through PDF, but it should be sent by the school, just to be safe. One last thing: Go ahead and schedule your meeting/call with your state president. His or her recommendation of you will carry a lot of weight with the committee, so be prepared to be the best you can be in that interview. It's a big step toward making it to Orlando. If you do make it, be prepared for the longest week of your life. Good luck. -- Edgar "Chopper" Johnson ------------------------------------ Edgar "Chopper" Johnson President, Student Division, National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina epjohnso at g.cofc.edu chopper992 at gmail.com (843) 817-5321 On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:26 AM, wrote: > Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, Do you > know what type of font does the essay needs to be in, in order to upload it > into the Scholarship application? Just curious! I actually didn’t write my > essay yet, but I am just wondering the type of font that it has to be. By > the way, can the essay be the same one that I wrote last year? Just > wondering. Also, I just wanted to tell you that my College unofficial > transcripts are on my college site. I just wanted to ask you, in order to > upload my college transcripts to the scholarship application, can I just > upload my transcripts from my college site, or do I have to ask for someone > to print me the print copy of them and then scan them in order to upload > them to my scholarship application? I’m just curious!! Just to let you > know, I actually apply last year, but I didn’t win, and I didn’t know any > of you. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give > me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so > much and God bless!! > P.S. I forgot to ask you, do you guys know the email address of Ms. Patty, > the Head Chair of the Scholarship Committee? I’m just wondering, just in > case that I need to ask her some questions. Thanks again! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chopper992%40gmail.com > > From dandrews at visi.com Thu Feb 20 20:07:04 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:07:04 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Help from blind Marriott workers Message-ID: Please respond to her directly at maryannmigs at gmail.com >Hello David, could you please distribute this message widely for me? >Thank you. >Hello listers, I am looking for blind employees of the Marriott >Corporation who use screenreaders. >i am a new employee in guest relations and need to find out which >tools and techniques are effective. >Could you please contact me privately at maryannmigs at gmAil.com >Thank you for your help. > Maryann migliorelli maryannmigs at gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Thu Feb 20 21:50:03 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:50:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Empowerment Through Education Message-ID: <1A5B4FF9-2EA3-43A5-A4D7-79ED451F6CB3@icloud.com> Hi, In Social Studies today, we listened to CNN Student News. There was a story about sub-minimum wage that was confusing to my teacher, classmates, and I. Instead, I explained about stores not paying their employees with disabilities minimum wage or higher. My teacher was very interested. There is a longer version. Let me know if you want it. It would be great for the Student Slate, wouldn't it? Mikayla Sent from my iPad From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 22:02:50 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:02:50 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Empowerment Through Education In-Reply-To: <1A5B4FF9-2EA3-43A5-A4D7-79ED451F6CB3@icloud.com> References: <1A5B4FF9-2EA3-43A5-A4D7-79ED451F6CB3@icloud.com> Message-ID: <13C8F379-6E4A-41EC-8921-A3B10B5E0EA5@gmail.com> Thank you for sharing that! If you are indeed interested in sharing that story I would advise you to contact the committee at:slate at nabslink.org This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > On Feb 20, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > Hi, > In Social Studies today, we listened to CNN Student News. There was a story about sub-minimum wage that was confusing to my teacher, classmates, and I. Instead, I explained about stores not paying their employees with disabilities minimum wage or higher. My teacher was very interested. There is a longer version. Let me know if you want it. It would be great for the Student Slate, wouldn't it? > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From matt.dierckens at me.com Thu Feb 20 23:23:31 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:23:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question Message-ID: <167CEFCF-C789-47DD-A7DA-D752F5B3D673@me.com> Hello all. My girlfriend is going to school to become an elementary teacher. Are there any resources she can use to make blind contacts with? Thanks. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 From valandkayla at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 23:29:36 2014 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:29:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A question In-Reply-To: <167CEFCF-C789-47DD-A7DA-D752F5B3D673@me.com> References: <167CEFCF-C789-47DD-A7DA-D752F5B3D673@me.com> Message-ID: <6684E5FB-39D9-4B63-A6CC-0EA6B6F6876B@gmail.com> Greetings, I don’t mean to sound rude or anything, but can she speak for herself, since she’s going to become and elementary ed teacher? On Feb 20, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > Hello all. > My girlfriend is going to school to become an elementary teacher. Are there any resources she can use to make blind contacts with? Thanks. > > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com From matt.dierckens at me.com Thu Feb 20 23:35:42 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:35:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question In-Reply-To: <6684E5FB-39D9-4B63-A6CC-0EA6B6F6876B@gmail.com> References: <167CEFCF-C789-47DD-A7DA-D752F5B3D673@me.com> <6684E5FB-39D9-4B63-A6CC-0EA6B6F6876B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C656A71-FC3D-49BA-8138-A67FA9F0E368@me.com> No, since she's not on this list, and I just offered to see what anyone would offer. sorry for even asking. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Greetings, > > I don’t mean to sound rude or anything, but can she speak for herself, since she’s going to become and elementary ed teacher? > On Feb 20, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > >> Hello all. >> My girlfriend is going to school to become an elementary teacher. Are there any resources she can use to make blind contacts with? Thanks. >> >> Matthew Dierckens >> Macintosh Trainer >> Blind Access Training >> www.blindaccesstraining.com >> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Thu Feb 20 23:43:43 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:43:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question In-Reply-To: <167CEFCF-C789-47DD-A7DA-D752F5B3D673@me.com> References: <167CEFCF-C789-47DD-A7DA-D752F5B3D673@me.com> Message-ID: <205E1CCF-E89A-4581-898F-F373501433C1@icloud.com> The Blind Educator's list. Sent from my iPad On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > Hello all. > My girlfriend is going to school to become an elementary teacher. Are there any resources she can use to make blind contacts with? Thanks. > > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Feb 20 23:50:06 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:50:06 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] A question In-Reply-To: <4C656A71-FC3D-49BA-8138-A67FA9F0E368@me.com> References: <167CEFCF-C789-47DD-A7DA-D752F5B3D673@me.com> <6684E5FB-39D9-4B63-A6CC-0EA6B6F6876B@gmail.com> <4C656A71-FC3D-49BA-8138-A67FA9F0E368@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Mathew, We have a blind educators group in the federation. the contact information for it’s chairperson can be found on the nfb.org webpage under divisions and committees. as well their discussion list can be found amongst the other various lists we have at http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo I appreciate you seeking out this information for your girlfriend, and hope that you might introduce her to this list as well. we are all here to be of help to anyone who might need it. Best, Darian On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > No, since she's not on this list, and I just offered to see what anyone would offer. sorry for even asking. > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > On Feb 20, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Valerie Gibson wrote: > >> Greetings, >> >> I don’t mean to sound rude or anything, but can she speak for herself, since she’s going to become and elementary ed teacher? >> On Feb 20, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >> >>> Hello all. >>> My girlfriend is going to school to become an elementary teacher. Are there any resources she can use to make blind contacts with? Thanks. >>> >>> Matthew Dierckens >>> Macintosh Trainer >>> Blind Access Training >>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students (415) 215-9809 dsmithnfb at gmail.com. twitter: @goldengateace www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink. “ A good Head and a good heart are always a formidable combination” - Nelson Mandela. > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Fri Feb 21 00:26:04 2014 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:26:04 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] A question Message-ID: Hi Matthew, If she's not already familiar with it, your girlfriend might want to look at www.blindeducators.org. This is the website of the NFBs National Organization of Blind Educators, and it gives instructions for how to subscribe to this organization's listserv (the one Darian and Mikayla have already mentioned) and offers numerous tips for teachers who are blind in the FAQ section. She may also be interested in the book Teachers who are Blind or Visually Impaired by Deborah Kendrick, which profiles 18 blind teachers of various subjects and in various educational settings and discusses the techniques that are most useful to them. The site www.blindteachers.net has additional profiles of successful teachers who are blind, and your girlfriend might be able to find still more teachers to connect with through signing up with www.afb.org/careerconnect. I hope this helps, and best of luck to your girlfriend! Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Dierckens References: <1C4A219A59D748618212E7BD16204C95@HP30910210001> <2B5C1AE0-7BC1-45D1-8885-5AC450A74AC5@gmail.com> Message-ID: For some reason, about 10% of the time I send RoboBraille an email and never get it back. You should try sending it again. I think maybe sometimes their computer is down? Arielle On 2/20/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi guys, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I sent an attachment > of 6 Budget Tables that is in PDF format to convert at robobraille.org But it > didn't work! And I actually put in the subject line the word "doc" without > quotes as Arielle suggested, but it didn't work when I sent it, the email > never came back to me. I don't know waht I'm doing wrong! I'm just > wondering, how do you guys get it in order for Robo Braille to sent you an > email back with your word document? Just curious! Do I need to create an > account or something? Actually, I actually never use Robo Braille before, so > this is actually my first time! I will really appreciate it, if you could > help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you > soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:52 AM, Kerri Kosten wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone: >> >> Thanks so much for your help. >> I ended up using Robobraille. It came back fine and works great! >> I would recomend robobraille.org to anyone who has this inaccessible >> pdf problem! >> Thanks, >> Kerri >> >>> On 2/19/14, melissa Green wrote: >>> you can also go to their web site and upload the file and choose the >>> file >>> type that you want the document converted. >>> thank you arielle for showing me this site. >>> It has helped me a lot over the past year or so. >>> Oh and they do not do xcell files. >>> But they do power point presentations and other image files. >>> >>> Have a blessed day. >>> Best, >>> Melissa R Green and PJ >>> Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? >>> >>> >>> You can also save the PDF and email it as an attachment to >>> convert at robobraille.org >>> with the word "doc" (without quotes) in the subject line. RoboBraille >>> will return the file to you in Word format. It's free and does a >>> remarkable job. >>> If the course website won't let you save the PDF to your computer, >>> then ask your professor to email it to you as an attachment. You can >>> then just forward your prof's email to >>> convert at robobraille.org >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/19/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> I'm going to try and tackle your questions, but if none of this >>>> makes sense, feel free to email me with questions. >>>> First: as to what you can do with the PDF, Kurzweil, OpenBook, or >>>> Abbbyy FineReader, you will be able to convert the document on your >>>> own. You can also try, if you have a scanner, printing and scanning >>>> the document into your computer, if it doesn't scan into jpeg or Tiff >>>> images, that is. >>>> As for what to tell your professor, I find the best rule of thumb >>>> to use is this. If you can't highlight a small portion of text in the >>>> document without highlighting the whole document, it is an image and >>>> needs to be converted. Most documents originate electronically. So, if >>>> your professor can find the original file, tthat will definitely help. >>>> Image PDF's are an unfortunate occurrence in the academic environment >>>> and the best thing for us to do is to educate people constantly about >>>> the barriers that these documents present. >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> Aleeha >>>> >>>>> On 2/19/14, Elif Emir wrote: >>>>> send it to me. >>>>> I have abbyy finereader >>>>> I can convert it for you >>>>> it won't be perfect but basicly it will be readable. >>>>> >>>>> 2014-02-19 20:15 GMT-05:00, Kerri Kosten : >>>>>> Hi Everyone: >>>>>> >>>>>> For our response posts in my online Communications class, we have to >>>>>> read an excerpt that is in PDF format. That is usually fine, except >>>>>> this time when I clicked on the PDF JAWS said "document is empty." I >>>>>> know this means the PDF was scanned and OCR was not used. >>>>>> First, is there anything I can do on my own to be able to read this >>>>>> PDF? >>>>>> Next, how do I explain to the professor in simple terms that the pdf >>>>>> was scanned with no OCR and so it is an image? How can the professor >>>>>> make this pdf accessible so I can read it? >>>>>> What do you all do about inaccessible PDFs? >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Kerri >>>>>> >>>>>> Just now >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Feb 21 02:44:56 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:44:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? In-Reply-To: References: <1C4A219A59D748618212E7BD16204C95@HP30910210001> <2B5C1AE0-7BC1-45D1-8885-5AC450A74AC5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh and you can only attach one file per email message, otherwise it will give you an error. Arielle On 2/20/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: > For some reason, about 10% of the time I send RoboBraille an email and > never get it back. You should try sending it again. I think maybe > sometimes their computer is down? > Arielle > > On 2/20/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I sent an >> attachment >> of 6 Budget Tables that is in PDF format to convert at robobraille.org But >> it >> didn't work! And I actually put in the subject line the word "doc" >> without >> quotes as Arielle suggested, but it didn't work when I sent it, the email >> never came back to me. I don't know waht I'm doing wrong! I'm just >> wondering, how do you guys get it in order for Robo Braille to sent you >> an >> email back with your word document? Just curious! Do I need to create an >> account or something? Actually, I actually never use Robo Braille before, >> so >> this is actually my first time! I will really appreciate it, if you could >> help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from >> you >> soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:52 AM, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone: >>> >>> Thanks so much for your help. >>> I ended up using Robobraille. It came back fine and works great! >>> I would recomend robobraille.org to anyone who has this inaccessible >>> pdf problem! >>> Thanks, >>> Kerri >>> >>>> On 2/19/14, melissa Green wrote: >>>> you can also go to their web site and upload the file and choose the >>>> file >>>> type that you want the document converted. >>>> thank you arielle for showing me this site. >>>> It has helped me a lot over the past year or so. >>>> Oh and they do not do xcell files. >>>> But they do power point presentations and other image files. >>>> >>>> Have a blessed day. >>>> Best, >>>> Melissa R Green and PJ >>>> Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:57 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? >>>> >>>> >>>> You can also save the PDF and email it as an attachment to >>>> convert at robobraille.org >>>> with the word "doc" (without quotes) in the subject line. RoboBraille >>>> will return the file to you in Word format. It's free and does a >>>> remarkable job. >>>> If the course website won't let you save the PDF to your computer, >>>> then ask your professor to email it to you as an attachment. You can >>>> then just forward your prof's email to >>>> convert at robobraille.org >>>> Best, >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/19/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> I'm going to try and tackle your questions, but if none of this >>>>> makes sense, feel free to email me with questions. >>>>> First: as to what you can do with the PDF, Kurzweil, OpenBook, or >>>>> Abbbyy FineReader, you will be able to convert the document on your >>>>> own. You can also try, if you have a scanner, printing and scanning >>>>> the document into your computer, if it doesn't scan into jpeg or Tiff >>>>> images, that is. >>>>> As for what to tell your professor, I find the best rule of thumb >>>>> to use is this. If you can't highlight a small portion of text in the >>>>> document without highlighting the whole document, it is an image and >>>>> needs to be converted. Most documents originate electronically. So, if >>>>> your professor can find the original file, tthat will definitely help. >>>>> Image PDF's are an unfortunate occurrence in the academic environment >>>>> and the best thing for us to do is to educate people constantly about >>>>> the barriers that these documents present. >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> Aleeha >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/19/14, Elif Emir wrote: >>>>>> send it to me. >>>>>> I have abbyy finereader >>>>>> I can convert it for you >>>>>> it won't be perfect but basicly it will be readable. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-02-19 20:15 GMT-05:00, Kerri Kosten : >>>>>>> Hi Everyone: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For our response posts in my online Communications class, we have to >>>>>>> read an excerpt that is in PDF format. That is usually fine, except >>>>>>> this time when I clicked on the PDF JAWS said "document is empty." I >>>>>>> know this means the PDF was scanned and OCR was not used. >>>>>>> First, is there anything I can do on my own to be able to read this >>>>>>> PDF? >>>>>>> Next, how do I explain to the professor in simple terms that the pdf >>>>>>> was scanned with no OCR and so it is an image? How can the professor >>>>>>> make this pdf accessible so I can read it? >>>>>>> What do you all do about inaccessible PDFs? >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Kerri >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just now >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Feb 21 03:38:38 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:38:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? In-Reply-To: References: <1C4A219A59D748618212E7BD16204C95@HP30910210001><2B5C1AE0-7BC1-45D1-8885-5AC450A74AC5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Arielle, this is Helga! I just wanted to tell you that I actually sent Robo Braille my 6 Budget tables that are in one PDF document right now, but I didn't receive it back! I tried it many times but it doesn't work! I just wanted to ask you, would you like me to send you my 6 Budget Tables in order for you to try to send it to robo Braille in order to se if it works? I'm just wondering, since I always sent it the PDF document to Robo Braille, but it doesn't work! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) P.S. And I actually follow the suggestions that you gave me. I put the word "doc" wiht out quotes in the subject line, and I sent it to convert at robobraille.org -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? For some reason, about 10% of the time I send RoboBraille an email and never get it back. You should try sending it again. I think maybe sometimes their computer is down? Arielle On 2/20/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi guys, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I sent an > attachment > of 6 Budget Tables that is in PDF format to convert at robobraille.org But it > didn't work! And I actually put in the subject line the word "doc" without > quotes as Arielle suggested, but it didn't work when I sent it, the email > never came back to me. I don't know waht I'm doing wrong! I'm just > wondering, how do you guys get it in order for Robo Braille to sent you an > email back with your word document? Just curious! Do I need to create an > account or something? Actually, I actually never use Robo Braille before, > so > this is actually my first time! I will really appreciate it, if you could > help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you > soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:52 AM, Kerri Kosten wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone: >> >> Thanks so much for your help. >> I ended up using Robobraille. It came back fine and works great! >> I would recomend robobraille.org to anyone who has this inaccessible >> pdf problem! >> Thanks, >> Kerri >> >>> On 2/19/14, melissa Green wrote: >>> you can also go to their web site and upload the file and choose the >>> file >>> type that you want the document converted. >>> thank you arielle for showing me this site. >>> It has helped me a lot over the past year or so. >>> Oh and they do not do xcell files. >>> But they do power point presentations and other image files. >>> >>> Have a blessed day. >>> Best, >>> Melissa R Green and PJ >>> Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? >>> >>> >>> You can also save the PDF and email it as an attachment to >>> convert at robobraille.org >>> with the word "doc" (without quotes) in the subject line. RoboBraille >>> will return the file to you in Word format. It's free and does a >>> remarkable job. >>> If the course website won't let you save the PDF to your computer, >>> then ask your professor to email it to you as an attachment. You can >>> then just forward your prof's email to >>> convert at robobraille.org >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/19/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> I'm going to try and tackle your questions, but if none of this >>>> makes sense, feel free to email me with questions. >>>> First: as to what you can do with the PDF, Kurzweil, OpenBook, or >>>> Abbbyy FineReader, you will be able to convert the document on your >>>> own. You can also try, if you have a scanner, printing and scanning >>>> the document into your computer, if it doesn't scan into jpeg or Tiff >>>> images, that is. >>>> As for what to tell your professor, I find the best rule of thumb >>>> to use is this. If you can't highlight a small portion of text in the >>>> document without highlighting the whole document, it is an image and >>>> needs to be converted. Most documents originate electronically. So, if >>>> your professor can find the original file, tthat will definitely help. >>>> Image PDF's are an unfortunate occurrence in the academic environment >>>> and the best thing for us to do is to educate people constantly about >>>> the barriers that these documents present. >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> Aleeha >>>> >>>>> On 2/19/14, Elif Emir wrote: >>>>> send it to me. >>>>> I have abbyy finereader >>>>> I can convert it for you >>>>> it won't be perfect but basicly it will be readable. >>>>> >>>>> 2014-02-19 20:15 GMT-05:00, Kerri Kosten : >>>>>> Hi Everyone: >>>>>> >>>>>> For our response posts in my online Communications class, we have to >>>>>> read an excerpt that is in PDF format. That is usually fine, except >>>>>> this time when I clicked on the PDF JAWS said "document is empty." I >>>>>> know this means the PDF was scanned and OCR was not used. >>>>>> First, is there anything I can do on my own to be able to read this >>>>>> PDF? >>>>>> Next, how do I explain to the professor in simple terms that the pdf >>>>>> was scanned with no OCR and so it is an image? How can the professor >>>>>> make this pdf accessible so I can read it? >>>>>> What do you all do about inaccessible PDFs? >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Kerri >>>>>> >>>>>> Just now >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Feb 21 03:40:12 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:40:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question In-Reply-To: <167CEFCF-C789-47DD-A7DA-D752F5B3D673@me.com> References: <167CEFCF-C789-47DD-A7DA-D752F5B3D673@me.com> Message-ID: <6323BB4D368947BABA1C9DB37546A313@OwnerPC> Matthew, The blind educators list is a start, but when I was there, its low traffic and not everyone is an elementary ed teacher. She should check career connect through AFB and also subscribe to the blind teachers list on yahoogroups. Since you're in canada, I would also guess there is a similar advocacy group to nfb there that she can network with. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Dierckens Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:23 PM To: National Association Of Blind Students Mailing List Subject: [nabs-l] A question Hello all. My girlfriend is going to school to become an elementary teacher. Are there any resources she can use to make blind contacts with? Thanks. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Feb 21 03:47:00 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 20:47:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? In-Reply-To: References: <1C4A219A59D748618212E7BD16204C95@HP30910210001> <2B5C1AE0-7BC1-45D1-8885-5AC450A74AC5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sure try sending it to me at arielle71 at gmail.com Arielle On 2/20/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Arielle, this is Helga! I just wanted to tell you that I actually sent > Robo Braille my 6 Budget tables that are in one PDF document right now, but > > I didn't receive it back! I tried it many times but it doesn't work! I just > > wanted to ask you, would you like me to send you my 6 Budget Tables in order > > for you to try to send it to robo Braille in order to se if it works? I'm > just wondering, since I always sent it the PDF document to Robo Braille, but > > it doesn't work! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with > this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) > P.S. And I actually follow the suggestions that you gave me. I put the word > > "doc" wiht out quotes in the subject line, and I sent it to > convert at robobraille.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? > > For some reason, about 10% of the time I send RoboBraille an email and > never get it back. You should try sending it again. I think maybe > sometimes their computer is down? > Arielle > > On 2/20/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I sent an >> attachment >> of 6 Budget Tables that is in PDF format to convert at robobraille.org But >> it >> didn't work! And I actually put in the subject line the word "doc" >> without >> quotes as Arielle suggested, but it didn't work when I sent it, the email >> never came back to me. I don't know waht I'm doing wrong! I'm just >> wondering, how do you guys get it in order for Robo Braille to sent you >> an >> email back with your word document? Just curious! Do I need to create an >> account or something? Actually, I actually never use Robo Braille before, >> >> so >> this is actually my first time! I will really appreciate it, if you could >> help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from >> you >> soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:52 AM, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone: >>> >>> Thanks so much for your help. >>> I ended up using Robobraille. It came back fine and works great! >>> I would recomend robobraille.org to anyone who has this inaccessible >>> pdf problem! >>> Thanks, >>> Kerri >>> >>>> On 2/19/14, melissa Green wrote: >>>> you can also go to their web site and upload the file and choose the >>>> file >>>> type that you want the document converted. >>>> thank you arielle for showing me this site. >>>> It has helped me a lot over the past year or so. >>>> Oh and they do not do xcell files. >>>> But they do power point presentations and other image files. >>>> >>>> Have a blessed day. >>>> Best, >>>> Melissa R Green and PJ >>>> Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:57 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How To Handle Inaccessible PDFS? >>>> >>>> >>>> You can also save the PDF and email it as an attachment to >>>> convert at robobraille.org >>>> with the word "doc" (without quotes) in the subject line. RoboBraille >>>> will return the file to you in Word format. It's free and does a >>>> remarkable job. >>>> If the course website won't let you save the PDF to your computer, >>>> then ask your professor to email it to you as an attachment. You can >>>> then just forward your prof's email to >>>> convert at robobraille.org >>>> Best, >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/19/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> I'm going to try and tackle your questions, but if none of this >>>>> makes sense, feel free to email me with questions. >>>>> First: as to what you can do with the PDF, Kurzweil, OpenBook, or >>>>> Abbbyy FineReader, you will be able to convert the document on your >>>>> own. You can also try, if you have a scanner, printing and scanning >>>>> the document into your computer, if it doesn't scan into jpeg or Tiff >>>>> images, that is. >>>>> As for what to tell your professor, I find the best rule of thumb >>>>> to use is this. If you can't highlight a small portion of text in the >>>>> document without highlighting the whole document, it is an image and >>>>> needs to be converted. Most documents originate electronically. So, if >>>>> your professor can find the original file, tthat will definitely help. >>>>> Image PDF's are an unfortunate occurrence in the academic environment >>>>> and the best thing for us to do is to educate people constantly about >>>>> the barriers that these documents present. >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> Aleeha >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/19/14, Elif Emir wrote: >>>>>> send it to me. >>>>>> I have abbyy finereader >>>>>> I can convert it for you >>>>>> it won't be perfect but basicly it will be readable. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-02-19 20:15 GMT-05:00, Kerri Kosten : >>>>>>> Hi Everyone: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For our response posts in my online Communications class, we have to >>>>>>> read an excerpt that is in PDF format. That is usually fine, except >>>>>>> this time when I clicked on the PDF JAWS said "document is empty." I >>>>>>> know this means the PDF was scanned and OCR was not used. >>>>>>> First, is there anything I can do on my own to be able to read this >>>>>>> PDF? >>>>>>> Next, how do I explain to the professor in simple terms that the pdf >>>>>>> was scanned with no OCR and so it is an image? How can the professor >>>>>>> make this pdf accessible so I can read it? >>>>>>> What do you all do about inaccessible PDFs? >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Kerri >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just now >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From matt.dierckens at me.com Fri Feb 21 03:52:04 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:52:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question In-Reply-To: <6323BB4D368947BABA1C9DB37546A313@OwnerPC> References: <167CEFCF-C789-47DD-A7DA-D752F5B3D673@me.com> <6323BB4D368947BABA1C9DB37546A313@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <6C6D341A-B13A-4EF8-B6CD-C695E74945DF@me.com> Hi Ashley and others. Thanks a lot for the suggestions. She lives in the states, so I figured I'd see what was available. thanks again. :) Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Matthew, > The blind educators list is a start, but when I was there, its low traffic and not everyone is an elementary ed teacher. > She should check career connect through AFB and also subscribe to the blind teachers list on yahoogroups. > > Since you're in canada, I would also guess there is a similar advocacy group to nfb there that she can network with. > > -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Dierckens > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:23 PM > To: National Association Of Blind Students Mailing List > Subject: [nabs-l] A question > > Hello all. > My girlfriend is going to school to become an elementary teacher. Are there any resources she can use to make blind contacts with? Thanks. > > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 21 04:01:44 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:01:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question In-Reply-To: <167CEFCF-C789-47DD-A7DA-D752F5B3D673@me.com> References: <167CEFCF-C789-47DD-A7DA-D752F5B3D673@me.com> Message-ID: <000501cf2eb9$a3480fb0$e9d82f10$@gmail.com> I think that there is a an nfb group for blind educators. I would have to check to be sure. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Dierckens Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:24 PM To: National Association Of Blind Students Mailing List Subject: [nabs-l] A question Hello all. My girlfriend is going to school to become an elementary teacher. Are there any resources she can use to make blind contacts with? Thanks. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From kobycox at gmail.com Fri Feb 21 04:08:52 2014 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:08:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] A question In-Reply-To: <6C6D341A-B13A-4EF8-B6CD-C695E74945DF@me.com> Message-ID: <5971C39273FB44F08F048C3932734005@OwnerPC> Matt, Please send me her email address privately and contact details and I will try to help her. Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Dierckens Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:52 PM To: National Association Of Blind Students Mailing List Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question Hi Ashley and others. Thanks a lot for the suggestions. She lives in the states, so I figured I'd see what was available. thanks again. :) Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Matthew, > The blind educators list is a start, but when I was there, its low traffic and not everyone is an elementary ed teacher. > She should check career connect through AFB and also subscribe to the blind teachers list on yahoogroups. > > Since you're in canada, I would also guess there is a similar advocacy group to nfb there that she can network with. > > -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Dierckens > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:23 PM > To: National Association Of Blind Students Mailing List > Subject: [nabs-l] A question > > Hello all. > My girlfriend is going to school to become an elementary teacher. Are there any resources she can use to make blind contacts with? Thanks. > > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Feb 21 04:39:04 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:39:04 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Of Interest to Blind Music teachers and users Message-ID: > >I thought list members may be interested in the following. >Cheers, Neal > >Please send any comments or questions to: >info at DancingDots.com > > >Dancing Dots is pleased to announce the long-awaited release of : > > > >An Introduction to Music for the Blind Student > >Part III: Teacher Training > >By Richard Taesch > > > >Since the dawn of the new millennium, Richard Taesch's courses have >successfully guided teachers who may not have had any previous >experience with music braille to instruct their students in >acquiring the skills of reading and writing it. With his Part III, >Taesch addresses the braille music educator directly with the aim of >helping that educator to optimize the application of the material >presented in parts I and II as well as to equip and challenge them >to develop their own materials best suited to the needs of their students. > > > > From the Foreword by Stephanie Pieck, Music Educator, Teacher and > Composer who is blind: > > > >"With Part III, the author distills decades of his own experiences >of writing about, thinking about, and teaching braille music into a >single handbook." > > > >In his prefatory "PRELIMINARY THOUGHTS FOR STUDENTS AND TEACHERS OF >MUSIC BRAILLE", Taesch writes: > >"It cannot be overstressed that the primary objective here is solely >the training of the music braille educator, and not the music transcriber." > > > >Dancing Dots is the "Sole Source" for braille music courses by >Richard Taesch and offers a 30-Day Evaluation Period for All of his >publications. See return policy on our website. > > > >An Introduction to Music for the Blind Student Part III (406 print pages) > >Part >III Print (1 volume) - $99.00 > >Accessible digital version coming soon! > > > >An Introduction to Music for the Blind Student Part III Answer Key > >Answer Key lists correct responses to Part 1 & Part II Theory >Examinations as well as a Self-Test for Teachers of Early to >Intermediate College Preparatory students. > >Part >III Print Answer Key (1 volume) - $39.00 > >Accessible digital version coming soon! > >The end! > From sjhhirst at gmail.com Fri Feb 21 04:51:15 2014 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:51:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] March Madness Bracket Fundraiser Message-ID: Hello Friends! The Tennessee Association of Blind Students (TABS) is running a March Madness Bracket Contest this spring! Even though Selection Sunday isn't for a few weeks, you can pre-register and get a good deal! Please distribute this email with the attached flyer to everyone you think might be interested! Here are the rules: - $5 per bracket. Can enter as many times as you want! - $5 for 2 brackets if pay before March 16, 2014 - Pre-register at: http://bit.ly/NegZfv - Brackets available online on March 16, 2014. If you pre-register, you will receive more information closer to the date. - Send payments (checks payable to Tennessee Association of Blind Students) to Christina Clift: 1633 Madison Avenue, Memphis, TN 38104. - Winner receives 50% of the proceeds. - Have questions? Email president.tabs at nfb-tn.org In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I made a small Qt program and can't get it run on my other computer even though I believe I copied all the necessary dlls Any advices of what is needed for accessibility is greatly appreciated Thank you Suzanne From i.c.bray at win.net Fri Feb 21 17:50:12 2014 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:50:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013 StudentScholarship References: Message-ID: Helga, Was there supposed to be an attachment here? I see nothing other than a signature and listserv information... I'm confused. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Florida Association of Blind Students" Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:52 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013 StudentScholarship : _______________________________________________ : nabs-l mailing list : nabs-l at nfbnet.org : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net : From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Feb 21 18:13:55 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 13:13:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013StudentScholarship In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3794089ABFBC4DDBBC81E43BD30B5452@Helga> Hi Ian, this is Helga! No, I didn't put any attachment, since I wanted to ask you guys first because I didn't want to clutter the list with this message if some people are not interested. So I was actually thinking, if some of you guys are interested in helping me with this, I was thinking in sending my essay off list! Would you like to help me with this? If you do, could you give me your email address? I will really appreciate it. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: I. C. Bray Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013StudentScholarship Helga, Was there supposed to be an attachment here? I see nothing other than a signature and listserv information... I'm confused. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Florida Association of Blind Students" Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:52 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013 StudentScholarship : _______________________________________________ : nabs-l mailing list : nabs-l at nfbnet.org : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net : _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Feb 21 18:24:09 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 13:24:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013 Student Scholarship References: Message-ID: <64640ABE-C26E-4F3F-BC47-825C9D19B79A@gmail.com> Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: > Date: February 21, 2014 at 12:52:47 AM EST > To: > Cc: "Florida Association of Blind Students" > Subject: Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013 Student Scholarship > > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, does anyone here would like to see my Last year’s essay that I wrote for the 2013 Student scholarship and give me some featback in how can I improve in this years essay? I’m just wondering. I actually would like to hear the opinions of you guys, since you are also students like me, and actually experienced it before! Only if you want of course! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Feb 21 18:44:22 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 13:44:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013StudentScholarship Message-ID: <2F89C55C47884EA98D6DAF3F9730C073@Helga> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, does anyone here would like to see my Last year’s essay that I wrote for the 2013 Student scholarship and give me some featback in how can I improve in this years essay? I’m just wondering. I actually would like to hear the opinions of you guys, since you are also students like me, and actually experienced it before! Only if you want of course! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! Smile P.S. For some reason this email message didn't came through! last night when I sent it! Here is the attachment of my essay! Thanks again! -----Original Message----- From: I. C. Bray Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013StudentScholarship Helga, Was there supposed to be an attachment here? I see nothing other than a signature and listserv information... I'm confused. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Florida Association of Blind Students" Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:52 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013 StudentScholarship : _______________________________________________ : nabs-l mailing list : nabs-l at nfbnet.org : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net : _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Scholarship Essay.doc Type: application/msword Size: 25600 bytes Desc: not available URL: From trillian551 at gmail.com Fri Feb 21 19:08:46 2014 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:08:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013StudentScholarship In-Reply-To: <2F89C55C47884EA98D6DAF3F9730C073@Helga> References: <2F89C55C47884EA98D6DAF3F9730C073@Helga> Message-ID: All, While each of you is of course free to seek the opinions of others when it comes to your writing, it is not appropriate to do so in this forum. If any of you wish to directly email each other, that is perfectly fine, but please refrain from seeking this type of editing and revising advice on the list at large. Thank you! Mary F List Moderator On 2/21/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, does > anyone here would like to see my Last year's essay that I wrote for the 2013 > > Student scholarship and give me some featback in how can I improve in this > years essay? I'm just wondering. I actually would like to hear the opinions > > of you guys, since you are also students like me, and actually experienced > it before! Only if you want of course! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so > > much and God bless!! Smile > P.S. For some reason this email message didn't came through! last night when > > I sent it! Here is the attachment of my essay! Thanks again! > > -----Original Message----- > From: I. C. Bray > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the > 2013StudentScholarship > > Helga, > > Was there supposed to be an attachment here? > I see nothing other than a signature and listserv information... > > I'm confused. > Ian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: "Florida Association of Blind Students" > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:52 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013 > StudentScholarship > > > : _______________________________________________ > : nabs-l mailing list > : nabs-l at nfbnet.org > : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net > : > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." -- Maya Angelou From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Fri Feb 21 20:41:13 2014 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:41:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Last Year's essay that I use for the2013StudentScholarship In-Reply-To: References: <2F89C55C47884EA98D6DAF3F9730C073@Helga> Message-ID: Hi Mary, it seems to me that people ask for advice on specific assignments on this email list on a fairly regular basis. I have seen people ask for help finding a specific book for a specific assignment, I have seen people ask how to use a specific online platform to complete a specific assignment, I have seen people ask for advice on how to obtain Braille materials for a specific assignment, and I have seen people ask other people on this list to help them with a specific assignment by volunteering to be interviewed for a specific assignment. While I agree with you that the personal editing of any specific assignment should not take place over the email list, I do not believe it is inappropriate for someone to ask for this kind of assistance on this email list so that this kind of editing can take place off the email list. I believe that is what the original poster had in mind when she posted her request to the email list. Warm regards, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary Fernandez" Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 2:08 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: Last Year's essay that I use for the2013StudentScholarship > All, > While each of you is of course free to seek the opinions of others > when it comes to your writing, it is not appropriate to do so in this > forum. If any of you wish to directly email each other, that is > perfectly fine, but please refrain from seeking this type of editing > and revising advice on the list at large. > Thank you! > Mary F > List Moderator > > On 2/21/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, does >> anyone here would like to see my Last year's essay that I wrote for the >> 2013 >> >> Student scholarship and give me some featback in how can I improve in >> this >> years essay? I'm just wondering. I actually would like to hear the >> opinions >> >> of you guys, since you are also students like me, and actually >> experienced >> it before! Only if you want of course! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks >> so >> >> much and God bless!! Smile >> P.S. For some reason this email message didn't came through! last night >> when >> >> I sent it! Here is the attachment of my essay! Thanks again! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: I. C. Bray >> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the >> 2013StudentScholarship >> >> Helga, >> >> Was there supposed to be an attachment here? >> I see nothing other than a signature and listserv information... >> >> I'm confused. >> Ian >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Cc: "Florida Association of Blind Students" >> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:52 AM >> Subject: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013 >> StudentScholarship >> >> >> : _______________________________________________ >> : nabs-l mailing list >> : nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net >> : >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." > -- > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Feb 22 15:17:28 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:17:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying Message-ID: Hi, In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my mom, and I haven't told any one else. A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. Mikayla Sent from my iPad From malhajamy at gmail.com Sat Feb 22 15:24:05 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:24:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying Message-ID: <5308c149.2b328c0a.a510.ffff95b2@mx.google.com> Do you have a school counciler? If you do, you should tell them about this. School councilers would be very willing to help you with this. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart References: Message-ID: Hi Mikayla, How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or have there been several? Ryan L. Silveira On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Hi, > In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my mom, and I haven't told any one else. > A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Feb 22 15:49:15 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:49:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99FBE03A-1532-40DB-9147-CF787977A562@icloud.com> She has only bullied me once. Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Hi Mikayla, > > How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or have there been several? > > Ryan L. Silveira > > > On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > >> Hi, >> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my mom, and I haven't told any one else. >> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Sat Feb 22 15:51:58 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:51:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: <99FBE03A-1532-40DB-9147-CF787977A562@icloud.com> References: <99FBE03A-1532-40DB-9147-CF787977A562@icloud.com> Message-ID: <2C8CDF3D-0D8F-4992-BA56-3EB6A1E5AB40@gmail.com> How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel you need it. On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > She has only bullied me once. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > >> Hi Mikayla, >> >> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or have there been several? >> >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my mom, and I haven't told any one else. >>> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >>> Mikayla >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Feb 22 16:11:57 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:11:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: <2C8CDF3D-0D8F-4992-BA56-3EB6A1E5AB40@gmail.com> References: <99FBE03A-1532-40DB-9147-CF787977A562@icloud.com> <2C8CDF3D-0D8F-4992-BA56-3EB6A1E5AB40@gmail.com> Message-ID: <16567A9D-9460-44E2-9035-9F1B97AB4A1B@icloud.com> Thank you all for your suggestions. My parents are so gad I said something, and are helping me plan my course of action. I just wanted to hear what people on the list had to say! Mikayla Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel you need it. > > > On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > >> She has only bullied me once. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> >>> Hi Mikayla, >>> >>> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or have there been several? >>> >>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my mom, and I haven't told any one else. >>>> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >>>> Mikayla >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sat Feb 22 16:52:09 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 08:52:09 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] =?windows-1252?q?_Workshop=3A_Create_an_Advertising_Dire?= =?windows-1252?q?ctory_=96_NABS_Membership_Committee?= References: Message-ID: <515FD477-D993-415D-8524-B75B3AEF1B42@gmail.com> > The Following Comes from NABS board member Justin Salisbury regarding an opportunity that student division leaders looking to build their membership will not want to miss out on. > Colleagues: > > > > So, we have an idea. We’re putting on a student seminar, a student division social, or a fun activity at the state convention. We know how to run it, who will speak, what kind of food we want, but now…how do we get people to attend? Who do we invite? How do we spread the word? > > > > We once struggled with these questions in the North Carolina Association of Blind Students, and we devised a solution: create an advertising directory for our state. With four people working on the project for only about two months, we realized that it was, in fact, possible. > > > > The system is simple. A division can create a directory of disability contacts at all universities, community colleges, and trade schools in its state. As soon as we had organized this directory, advertising our events became much simpler. We did it all in Microsoft Excel, too. > > > > The NABS Membership Committee has been hosting a series of conference call workshops, which I have been leading, where we will explain and discuss how to organize and best use an advertising directory for student division events in your state. > > > > The last two of these conference call workshops will be held: > > > > Sunday, March 2 > > 8:00 PM eastern > > > > Tuesday, March 4 > > 9:00 PM eastern > > > > For each of these calls, use the following conference line: > > Dial (605) 475-6700 > > Enter access code 7869673 > > > > I look forward to talking with many on the calls. Each call is stand-alone, but people are welcome to come again if interested. If you have any questions, please email me directly at . > > > > Yours, > > > > Justin Salisbury > > President > > Connecticut Association of Blind Students > Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students (415) 215-9809 dsmithnfb at gmail.com. twitter: @goldengateace www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink. “ A good Head and a good heart are always a formidable combination” - Nelson Mandela. > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Feb 22 17:19:18 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:19:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying Message-ID: <5308dc52.0439ec0a.0a8d.ffffde45@mx.google.com> Mikayla, I'm so glad you're standing up for yourself. No one should have to endure bullying, and if someone is bullied, they need to say something. But I'm a little confused. Your friend told you that this girl shoved you in the hall? Do you not remember getting shoved? Were you injured? The reason I ask this is, kids have shoved me in the halls before at school, but it hasn't been an act of bullying. It's just been a case of a crowded hallway full of kids rushing to get to class, and someone just accidentally slammed into me. Maybe the girl didn't push you on purpose? The reason I'm inclined to think this is that it only happened once. If she had pushed you every day on your way from homeroom to history, it would definitely be purposeful bullying and need to be reported. But a one-time occurance might just be an accident. Sometimes, well-meaning sighted people overreact to these types of things. Once, my friend and I were just goofing off, and she slapped me very lightly on the arm, not even hard enough to leave a mark. A kid observing this thought the girl was bullying me and was about to report her until I assured him that I was fine. Before I reported the girl to the councilor, I would talk to your friend and her to make sure this isn't a misunderstanding. Just my thoughts, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel you need it. On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: She has only bullied me once. Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: Hi Mikayla, How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or have there been several? Ryan L. Silveira On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi, In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my mom, and I haven't told any one else. A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. Mikayla Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 icloud.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 icloud.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Feb 22 17:28:37 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:28:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: <5308dc52.0439ec0a.0a8d.ffffde45@mx.google.com> References: <5308dc52.0439ec0a.0a8d.ffffde45@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9A73352D-41A2-4199-8CF4-7CE3FA8C59D8@icloud.com> I appriciat your concern. However, my friend said that the girl shoved me because I was not walking fast enough. Now that I think about it, it could have happened more than once. My friend only heard of it once. I do understand your point, as I have been accidentally shoved before. Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Mikayla, I'm so glad you're standing up for yourself. No one should have to endure bullying, and if someone is bullied, they need to say something. But I'm a little confused. Your friend told you that this girl shoved you in the hall? Do you not remember getting shoved? Were you injured? The reason I ask this is, kids have shoved me in the halls before at school, but it hasn't been an act of bullying. It's just been a case of a crowded hallway full of kids rushing to get to class, and someone just accidentally slammed into me. Maybe the girl didn't push you on purpose? The reason I'm inclined to think this is that it only happened once. If she had pushed you every day on your way from homeroom to history, it would definitely be purposeful bullying and need to be reported. But a one-time occurance might just be an accident. Sometimes, well-meaning sighted people overreact to these types of things. Once, my friend and I were just goofing off, and she slapped me very lightly on the arm, not even hard enough to leave a mark. A kid observing this thought the girl was bullying me and was about to report her until I assured him that I was fine. Before I reported the girl to the councilor, I would talk to your friend and her to make sure this isn't a misunderstanding. > > Just my thoughts, > Sophie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:11:57 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bullying > > Thank you all for your suggestions. My parents are so gad I said something, and are helping me plan my course of action. I just wanted to hear what people on the list had to say! > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > > How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel you need it. > > > On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > She has only bullied me once. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > > Hi Mikayla, > > How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or have there been several? > > Ryan L. Silveira > > > On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > Hi, > In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my mom, and I haven't told any one else. > A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sat Feb 22 18:08:58 2014 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:08:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: <16567A9D-9460-44E2-9035-9F1B97AB4A1B@icloud.com> References: <99FBE03A-1532-40DB-9147-CF787977A562@icloud.com> <2C8CDF3D-0D8F-4992-BA56-3EB6A1E5AB40@gmail.com> <16567A9D-9460-44E2-9035-9F1B97AB4A1B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <3F1F2233-6CAA-4B79-8E67-3BFC1329D42B@samobile.net> It is possible that she accidentally shoved you. I personally would hold off on taking action unless it happens again. If it does, I would start by asking this person if there is a problem that needs to be discussed. If that doesn't work, then I would start talking to some adults. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > Thank you all for your suggestions. My parents are so gad I said something, and are helping me plan my course of action. I just wanted to hear what people on the list had to say! > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> >> How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel you need it. >> >> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>> >>> She has only bullied me once. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Mikayla, >>>> >>>> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or have there been several? >>>> >>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my mom, and I haven't told any one else. >>>>> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >>>>> Mikayla >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sat Feb 22 18:10:54 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:10:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying Message-ID: <5308e851.ca3dec0a.4755.ffffecaf@mx.google.com> Hi Mikayla great job sending emails on your IPad. I am working on learning to use my IPad mini. I got it from my mom and dad as a Christmas present. This week I figured out how to play Youtube videos using Safari. I am also learning how to use Skype on it. Next weekend my private tutor and I will be using facetime on it. From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Sat Feb 22 18:17:33 2014 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:17:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: <9A73352D-41A2-4199-8CF4-7CE3FA8C59D8@icloud.com> References: <5308dc52.0439ec0a.0a8d.ffffde45@mx.google.com> <9A73352D-41A2-4199-8CF4-7CE3FA8C59D8@icloud.com> Message-ID: Why are you going on your fruend's word alone? If someone shoved you in a malicious manner, wouldn't you have noticed? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > I appriciat your concern. However, my friend said that the girl shoved me because I was not walking fast enough. Now that I think about it, it could have happened more than once. My friend only heard of it once. I do understand your point, as I have been accidentally shoved before. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> Mikayla, I'm so glad you're standing up for yourself. No one should have to endure bullying, and if someone is bullied, they need to say something. But I'm a little confused. Your friend told you that this girl shoved you in the hall? Do you not remember getting shoved? Were you injured? The reason I ask this is, kids have shoved me in the halls before at school, but it hasn't been an act of bullying. It's just been a case of a crowded hallway full of kids rushing to get to class, and someone just accidentally slammed into me. Maybe the girl didn't push you on purpose? The reason I'm inclined to think this is that it only happened once. If she had pushed you every day on your way from homeroom to history, it would definitely be purposeful bullying and need to be reported. But a one-time occurance might just be an accident. Sometimes, well-meaning sighted people overreact to these types of things. Once, my friend and I were just goofing off, and she slapped me very lightly on the arm, not even hard enough to leave a mark. A kid observing this thought the girl was bullying me and was about to report her until I assured him that I was fine. Before I reported the girl to the councilor, I would talk to your friend and her to make sure this isn't a misunderstanding. >> >> Just my thoughts, >> Sophie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mikayla Gephart > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:11:57 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bullying >> >> Thank you all for your suggestions. My parents are so gad I said something, and are helping me plan my course of action. I just wanted to hear what people on the list had to say! >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> >> How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel you need it. >> >> >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> >> She has only bullied me once. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> >> Hi Mikayla, >> >> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or have there been several? >> >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> >> Hi, >> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my mom, and I haven't told any one else. >> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >> icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >> icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Feb 22 20:31:35 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:31:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: <5308e851.ca3dec0a.4755.ffffecaf@mx.google.com> References: <5308e851.ca3dec0a.4755.ffffecaf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8D73C7B9-A0C4-4ADA-8A35-0A604B36FAF6@icloud.com> I have gotten very good with my IPad and Iphone. Email me off list if you need any help! Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2014, at 1:10 PM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hi Mikayla great job sending emails on your IPad. I am working on learning to use my IPad mini. I got it from my mom and dad as a Christmas present. This week I figured out how to play Youtube videos using Safari. I am also learning how to use Skype on it. Next weekend my private tutor and I will be using facetime on it. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Feb 22 20:50:24 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:50:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: <2C8CDF3D-0D8F-4992-BA56-3EB6A1E5AB40@gmail.com> References: <99FBE03A-1532-40DB-9147-CF787977A562@icloud.com> <2C8CDF3D-0D8F-4992-BA56-3EB6A1E5AB40@gmail.com> Message-ID: In the state of New Jersey (Where I live), this is not considered bullying, and this girl is known to be like this. Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel you need it. > > > On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > >> She has only bullied me once. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> >>> Hi Mikayla, >>> >>> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or have there been several? >>> >>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my mom, and I haven't told any one else. >>>> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >>>> Mikayla >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Feb 22 23:20:55 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 16:20:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: References: <99FBE03A-1532-40DB-9147-CF787977A562@icloud.com> <2C8CDF3D-0D8F-4992-BA56-3EB6A1E5AB40@gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree. You don't need to base your reactions on what your friend thinks. It should be about what you think and how the girl's behavior made you feel. If you didn't even notice the shoving until your friend pointed it out to you, then perhaps its not a big deal. But if you did feel her shove you and it made you feel uncomfortable, then maybe it's worth discussing with the school counselor or another adult. Or you may choose not to worry about it unless it happens again, which it sounds like probably won't. Arielle On 2/22/14, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > In the state of New Jersey (Where I live), this is not considered bullying, > and this girl is known to be like this. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira > wrote: > >> How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant >> principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel you >> need it. >> >> >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart >> wrote: >> >>> She has only bullied me once. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Mikayla, >>>> >>>> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or have >>>> there been several? >>>> >>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my >>>>> mom, and I haven't told any one else. >>>>> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said >>>>> that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, >>>>> and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my >>>>> homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, >>>>> and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. >>>>> Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who shoved >>>>> me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people with >>>>> disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >>>>> Mikayla >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Feb 23 00:53:16 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 19:53:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013StudentScholarship In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the text of helga's messages do not show up in my messages either. -----Original Message----- From: I. C. Bray Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013StudentScholarship Helga, Was there supposed to be an attachment here? I see nothing other than a signature and listserv information... I'm confused. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: "Florida Association of Blind Students" Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 12:52 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Last Year's essay that I use for the 2013 StudentScholarship : _______________________________________________ : nabs-l mailing list : nabs-l at nfbnet.org : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net : _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sun Feb 23 01:17:49 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 20:17:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Unsubscribe from Change.orgs emails Message-ID: Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, How can someone unsubscribe from the Change.org emails that they receive after signing the Teach Act petition? I actually went to the Change.org site, in order to help Mohamed how to do that, but it doesn’t tell me anything about how to unsubscribe from the change.org’s emails! I would like to know how to do that, just in case I’m thinking in unsubscribing from the Change.org’s emails. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: From malhajamy at gmail.com Sun Feb 23 01:22:25 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 20:22:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] how do I unsubscribe from change.org emails? Message-ID: <53094d85.2b328c0a.a510.ffffeb41@mx.google.com> Hi all, so, I'm wondering how I unsubscribe from change.org emails. The reason why I'm unsubscribing? No, it's not because I don't like it, or anything like that. It's because the site does not work very well with the BrailleNote. So, if you try signing a petition, most of the fields show up not labled. And, if you do happen to luckily sign it, your imput is never excepted. Because there's a bug where you can't click the sign now button. Because of this, I can't really sign any petitions. Wonder how I unsubscribe from change.org emails? Thanks. From malhajamy at gmail.com Sun Feb 23 01:23:39 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 20:23:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Unsubscribe from Change.orgs emails Message-ID: <53094dd0.425d8c0a.b034.37b3@mx.google.com> Wow!=20We=20emailed=20all=20at=20once!=20I=20sent=20the=20same=20post.=20=20= How=20 interesting. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20 Good evening! Some researchers in the business school at Baylor have reached out to me because they are studying the markets for instructional materials for the blind, especially focusing on math and science. Here is their inquiry. If you could please answer their two-question questionnaire, it may help us all in the future. Primary Contact: "Varni, Brandt" > wrote: We are wondering who do you purchase your classroom supplies and textbooks from? How often do you purchase and what do you look for when you purchase, especially when it comes to science courses? Lastly, any information that you can offer us would be greatly appreciated. Yours, Justin Salisbury From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Sun Feb 23 02:39:21 2014 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:39:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: <3F1F2233-6CAA-4B79-8E67-3BFC1329D42B@samobile.net> References: <99FBE03A-1532-40DB-9147-CF787977A562@icloud.com> <2C8CDF3D-0D8F-4992-BA56-3EB6A1E5AB40@gmail.com> <16567A9D-9460-44E2-9035-9F1B97AB4A1B@icloud.com> <3F1F2233-6CAA-4B79-8E67-3BFC1329D42B@samobile.net> Message-ID: Hi, I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. If this should happen again, go to an adult. Bullying is nothing to mess around with. I dealt with it in my own high school. People jumped over my cane in the halls, slammed their friends into lockers saying "I just saved you from being hit by that girl!", called me names" and even went insofar as to say that I was faking my blindness because I wasn't blind enough, whatever that means (which, by the way, I only have light perception.) I hope you don't experience any further issues. Aleeha On 2/22/14, Jedi Moerke wrote: > It is possible that she accidentally shoved you. I personally would hold off > on taking action unless it happens again. If it does, I would start by > asking this person if there is a problem that needs to be discussed. If that > doesn't work, then I would start talking to some adults. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mikayla Gephart >> wrote: >> >> Thank you all for your suggestions. My parents are so gad I said >> something, and are helping me plan my course of action. I just wanted to >> hear what people on the list had to say! >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira >>> wrote: >>> >>> How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant >>> principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel >>> you need it. >>> >>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> She has only bullied me once. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mikayla, >>>>> >>>>> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or >>>>> have there been several? >>>>> >>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my >>>>>> mom, and I haven't told any one else. >>>>>> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said >>>>>> that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, >>>>>> and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my >>>>>> homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, >>>>>> and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. >>>>>> Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who >>>>>> shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people >>>>>> with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >>>>>> Mikayla >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Sun Feb 23 04:21:35 2014 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (Ryan Bishop) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:21:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Unsubscribe from Change.orgs emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At the bottom of each email, there is a link to unsubscribe. 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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: 22 February 2014 18:18 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] How to Unsubscribe from Change.orgs emails Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, How can someone unsubscribe from the Change.org emails that they receive after signing the Teach Act petition? I actually went to the Change.org site, in order to help Mohamed how to do that, but it doesn’t tell me anything about how to unsubscribe from the change.org’s emails! I would like to know how to do that, just in case I’m thinking in unsubscribing from the Change.org’s emails. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! From pgradioman at hotmail.com Sun Feb 23 08:15:53 2014 From: pgradioman at hotmail.com (Preston Gaylor) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 08:15:53 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Bullying?= Message-ID: Hello Mckayla: I am very sorry that this happened to you. I got peer pressured and bullied a few times during my high school days. A student took my cane out of my hands, and also 2 boys harassed me in the bathroom, and I needed to charge for them for it! Allways tell an adult if something is wrong, don’t figure it out yourself. Hope you will feel better soon!!! Sincerely, Preston from PA but now here in Denver at CCB Sent from Windows Mail From: Aleeha Dudley Sent: ‎Saturday‎, ‎February‎ ‎22‎, ‎2014 ‎7‎:‎40‎ ‎PM To: Nabs-l Hi, I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. If this should happen again, go to an adult. Bullying is nothing to mess around with. I dealt with it in my own high school. People jumped over my cane in the halls, slammed their friends into lockers saying "I just saved you from being hit by that girl!", called me names" and even went insofar as to say that I was faking my blindness because I wasn't blind enough, whatever that means (which, by the way, I only have light perception.) I hope you don't experience any further issues. Aleeha On 2/22/14, Jedi Moerke wrote: > It is possible that she accidentally shoved you. I personally would hold off > on taking action unless it happens again. If it does, I would start by > asking this person if there is a problem that needs to be discussed. If that > doesn't work, then I would start talking to some adults. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mikayla Gephart >> wrote: >> >> Thank you all for your suggestions. My parents are so gad I said >> something, and are helping me plan my course of action. I just wanted to >> hear what people on the list had to say! >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira >>> wrote: >>> >>> How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant >>> principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel >>> you need it. >>> >>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> She has only bullied me once. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mikayla, >>>>> >>>>> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or >>>>> have there been several? >>>>> >>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my >>>>>> mom, and I haven't told any one else. >>>>>> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said >>>>>> that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, >>>>>> and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my >>>>>> homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, >>>>>> and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. >>>>>> Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who >>>>>> shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people >>>>>> with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >>>>>> Mikayla >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pgradioman%40hotmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Feb 23 16:39:48 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:39:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That must have been aweful! Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2014, at 3:15 AM, Preston Gaylor wrote: > Hello Mckayla: > > I am very sorry that this happened to you. > > I got peer pressured and bullied a few times during my high school days. > > A student took my cane out of my hands, and also 2 boys harassed me in the bathroom, and I needed to charge for them for it! > > Allways tell an adult if something is wrong, don’t figure it out yourself. > > Hope you will feel better soon!!! > > Sincerely, > > Preston from PA but now here in Denver at CCB > > > > > > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > > > > From: Aleeha Dudley > Sent: ‎Saturday‎, ‎February‎ ‎22‎, ‎2014 ‎7‎:‎40‎ ‎PM > To: Nabs-l > > > > > > Hi, > I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. If this should happen again, > go to an adult. Bullying is nothing to mess around with. I dealt with > it in my own high school. People jumped over my cane in the halls, > slammed their friends into lockers saying "I just saved you from being > hit by that girl!", called me names" and even went insofar as to say > that I was faking my blindness because I wasn't blind enough, whatever > that means (which, by the way, I only have light perception.) > I hope you don't experience any further issues. > Aleeha > > On 2/22/14, Jedi Moerke wrote: >> It is possible that she accidentally shoved you. I personally would hold off >> on taking action unless it happens again. If it does, I would start by >> asking this person if there is a problem that needs to be discussed. If that >> doesn't work, then I would start talking to some adults. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you all for your suggestions. My parents are so gad I said >>> something, and are helping me plan my course of action. I just wanted to >>> hear what people on the list had to say! >>> Mikayla >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant >>>> principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel >>>> you need it. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> She has only bullied me once. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Mikayla, >>>>>> >>>>>> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or >>>>>> have there been several? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my >>>>>>> mom, and I haven't told any one else. >>>>>>> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said >>>>>>> that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, >>>>>>> and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my >>>>>>> homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, >>>>>>> and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. >>>>>>> Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who >>>>>>> shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people >>>>>>> with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >>>>>>> Mikayla >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pgradioman%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Feb 23 16:41:22 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:41:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: References: <99FBE03A-1532-40DB-9147-CF787977A562@icloud.com> <2C8CDF3D-0D8F-4992-BA56-3EB6A1E5AB40@gmail.com> <16567A9D-9460-44E2-9035-9F1B97AB4A1B@icloud.com> <3F1F2233-6CAA-4B79-8E67-3BFC1329D42B@samobile.net> Message-ID: <5F184662-2CA8-46F5-8245-04FD56587337@icloud.com> Hoow did it finally get solved? The students envolved have no respect for people, much less people with disabilities! Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > Hi, > I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. If this should happen again, > go to an adult. Bullying is nothing to mess around with. I dealt with > it in my own high school. People jumped over my cane in the halls, > slammed their friends into lockers saying "I just saved you from being > hit by that girl!", called me names" and even went insofar as to say > that I was faking my blindness because I wasn't blind enough, whatever > that means (which, by the way, I only have light perception.) > I hope you don't experience any further issues. > Aleeha > > On 2/22/14, Jedi Moerke wrote: >> It is possible that she accidentally shoved you. I personally would hold off >> on taking action unless it happens again. If it does, I would start by >> asking this person if there is a problem that needs to be discussed. If that >> doesn't work, then I would start talking to some adults. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you all for your suggestions. My parents are so gad I said >>> something, and are helping me plan my course of action. I just wanted to >>> hear what people on the list had to say! >>> Mikayla >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant >>>> principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel >>>> you need it. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> She has only bullied me once. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Mikayla, >>>>>> >>>>>> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or >>>>>> have there been several? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my >>>>>>> mom, and I haven't told any one else. >>>>>>> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said >>>>>>> that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, >>>>>>> and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my >>>>>>> homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, >>>>>>> and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. >>>>>>> Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who >>>>>>> shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people >>>>>>> with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >>>>>>> Mikayla >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Feb 23 16:42:02 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:42:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28BC71C6-F910-40D4-BDF8-BF6FE3D95D7B@icloud.com> How did it get solved? Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2014, at 3:15 AM, Preston Gaylor wrote: > Hello Mckayla: > > I am very sorry that this happened to you. > > I got peer pressured and bullied a few times during my high school days. > > A student took my cane out of my hands, and also 2 boys harassed me in the bathroom, and I needed to charge for them for it! > > Allways tell an adult if something is wrong, don’t figure it out yourself. > > Hope you will feel better soon!!! > > Sincerely, > > Preston from PA but now here in Denver at CCB > > > > > > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > > > > From: Aleeha Dudley > Sent: ‎Saturday‎, ‎February‎ ‎22‎, ‎2014 ‎7‎:‎40‎ ‎PM > To: Nabs-l > > > > > > Hi, > I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. If this should happen again, > go to an adult. Bullying is nothing to mess around with. I dealt with > it in my own high school. People jumped over my cane in the halls, > slammed their friends into lockers saying "I just saved you from being > hit by that girl!", called me names" and even went insofar as to say > that I was faking my blindness because I wasn't blind enough, whatever > that means (which, by the way, I only have light perception.) > I hope you don't experience any further issues. > Aleeha > > On 2/22/14, Jedi Moerke wrote: >> It is possible that she accidentally shoved you. I personally would hold off >> on taking action unless it happens again. If it does, I would start by >> asking this person if there is a problem that needs to be discussed. If that >> doesn't work, then I would start talking to some adults. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you all for your suggestions. My parents are so gad I said >>> something, and are helping me plan my course of action. I just wanted to >>> hear what people on the list had to say! >>> Mikayla >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant >>>> principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel >>>> you need it. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> She has only bullied me once. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Mikayla, >>>>>> >>>>>> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or >>>>>> have there been several? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my >>>>>>> mom, and I haven't told any one else. >>>>>>> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said >>>>>>> that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, >>>>>>> and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my >>>>>>> homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, >>>>>>> and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. >>>>>>> Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who >>>>>>> shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people >>>>>>> with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >>>>>>> Mikayla >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pgradioman%40hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Sun Feb 23 17:11:48 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:11:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: References: <99FBE03A-1532-40DB-9147-CF787977A562@icloud.com> <2C8CDF3D-0D8F-4992-BA56-3EB6A1E5AB40@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F501295-4E5E-442E-8A4E-976FEDD5979B@fuse.net> Just remember that not everyone will believe or want to hel you. Either they see this girl as doing no wrong, or she is sited and you are blind. Not every adult in the school system is not friendly or trustworthy as they may appear or seem. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > In the state of New Jersey (Where I live), this is not considered bullying, and this girl is known to be like this. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> >> How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel you need it. >> >> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>> >>> She has only bullied me once. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Mikayla, >>>> >>>> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or have there been several? >>>> >>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my mom, and I haven't told any one else. >>>>> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >>>>> Mikayla >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Feb 23 18:45:47 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 13:45:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: <2F501295-4E5E-442E-8A4E-976FEDD5979B@fuse.net> References: <99FBE03A-1532-40DB-9147-CF787977A562@icloud.com> <2C8CDF3D-0D8F-4992-BA56-3EB6A1E5AB40@gmail.com> <2F501295-4E5E-442E-8A4E-976FEDD5979B@fuse.net> Message-ID: Hi, I agree with a lot of what has been said. A lot of this seems circumstantial, and based a lot on what others think or have been told through the grapevine. I would consider how you felt about the situation, if you noticed it yourself at all, and then go from there. If it made you uncomfortable or if it happens again, ask the girl if there is a problem. If she isn't cooperative in talking to you, or things escalate, then by all means get an adult involved and don't mess around. It is also important to remember that reputations are circumstantial too. I noticed you said a few times that this girl is "Known to be like this." Don't just go off of her reputation, because it may not be as accurate as it has been made out to be by the level of conversation you've heard on the subject. It would be much bettter to talk to her directly if the problem persists than to just assume, "She's just this way and has no respect for people," and report her on the spot. I hope this helps and you don't have to deal with a bullying situation. As was said before, a lot of us have been there in middle and high school, myself included. I've had stuff stolen from my backpack, the battery taken from my cell phone and thrown into a boys bathroom, and a few other random acts of bullying happen throughout my middle school years and my freshman year of high school. I've also dealt with cane jumpers and ignorant people plenty of times before. However, this sounds to me like it may have been an accident. Even in my second year of college I still get jostled in the halls between classes, or even outside walking between buildings if I somehow get into a crowd. Fortunately, I go to a school where people will readily say sorry, or who have helped me and others if the jostling was enough to knock off balance, so we always know it was never intentional. Heck, I've even run into other people before simply because I wasn't concentrating on looking ahead of me to avoid human traffic, too. On 2/23/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > Just remember that not everyone will believe or want to hel you. Either they > see this girl as doing no wrong, or she is sited and you are blind. Not > every adult in the school system is not friendly or trustworthy as they may > appear or seem. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Mikayla Gephart >> wrote: >> >> In the state of New Jersey (Where I live), this is not considered >> bullying, and this girl is known to be like this. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira >>> wrote: >>> >>> How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant >>> principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel >>> you need it. >>> >>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> She has only bullied me once. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mikayla, >>>>> >>>>> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or >>>>> have there been several? >>>>> >>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my >>>>>> mom, and I haven't told any one else. >>>>>> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said >>>>>> that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, >>>>>> and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my >>>>>> homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, >>>>>> and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. >>>>>> Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who >>>>>> shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people >>>>>> with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >>>>>> Mikayla >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Feb 23 20:32:54 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:32:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nls and book port plus In-Reply-To: <52fac657.2587440a.6d2e.ffff8684@mx.google.com> References: <52fac657.2587440a.6d2e.ffff8684@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have a question on the book port plus. I've considered getting it. What type of media storage does it take? USB drives? what type of music files does it play? Marisa, you have to register with nls before downloading any books. thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:53 PM To: Nabsl Subject: [nabs-l] nls and book port plus Sorry if this already came through, I got no message saying it did. How do you add music on to the book port plus? And is there a way to register with nls without having to deal with all the mailing? I cannot get the books now, and I really need them. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Feb 24 00:53:52 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:53:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to contact my afeliate State President in order to have my interview Message-ID: <8D5044B311664685A2FBEDEA35584496@Helga> Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, how can I contact, or where can I find my Afeliate State President in order to have my interview? I’m just wondering, since this is one of the requirements that I need to complete for the NFB student scholarship. Just to let you know, I actually live in Boca Raton, Florida. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikgephart at icloud.com Mon Feb 24 00:57:42 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:57:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to contact my afeliate State President in order to have my interview In-Reply-To: <8D5044B311664685A2FBEDEA35584496@Helga> References: <8D5044B311664685A2FBEDEA35584496@Helga> Message-ID: On the NFB website. Do you want me to find his email for you? Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2014, at 7:53 PM, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, how can I contact, or where can I find my Afeliate State President in order to have my interview? I’m just wondering, since this is one of the requirements that I need to complete for the NFB student scholarship. Just to let you know, I actually live in Boca Raton, Florida. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Feb 24 01:00:08 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:00:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How to contact my afeliate State President in order to have my interview In-Reply-To: References: <8D5044B311664685A2FBEDEA35584496@Helga> Message-ID: Contact details for NFB of Florida president: Dan Hicks, President (813)837-1100 or 1-888-282-5972 president at nfbflorida.org On 2/23/14, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > On the NFB website. Do you want me to find his email for you? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 23, 2014, at 7:53 PM, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, how can >> I contact, or where can I find my Afeliate State President in order to >> have my interview? I'm just wondering, since this is one of the >> requirements that I need to complete for the NFB student scholarship. Just >> to let you know, I actually live in Boca Raton, Florida. I will really >> appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions >> regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Feb 24 01:10:31 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:10:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to contact my afeliate State President in orderto have my interview In-Reply-To: References: <8D5044B311664685A2FBEDEA35584496@Helga> Message-ID: Hi Mikayla, this is Helga! Yes, could you help me find his email address in order to contact him? I will really appreciate it a lot. I think I have it, but I'm not really so sure about it! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Mikayla Gephart Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to contact my afeliate State President in orderto have my interview On the NFB website. Do you want me to find his email for you? Sent from my iPad On Feb 23, 2014, at 7:53 PM, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, how can > I contact, or where can I find my Afeliate State President in order to > have my interview? I’m just wondering, since this is one of the > requirements that I need to complete for the NFB student scholarship. Just > to let you know, I actually live in Boca Raton, Florida. I will really > appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions > regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From wmodnl at hotmail.com Mon Feb 24 06:01:53 2014 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 01:01:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bullying In-Reply-To: <16567A9D-9460-44E2-9035-9F1B97AB4A1B@icloud.com> References: <99FBE03A-1532-40DB-9147-CF787977A562@icloud.com> <2C8CDF3D-0D8F-4992-BA56-3EB6A1E5AB40@gmail.com> <16567A9D-9460-44E2-9035-9F1B97AB4A1B@icloud.com> Message-ID: Good evening, Bullying is an interesting issue. Research shows that, quite often, those doing the bullying do not know that they adoing something bad. Usually, when they find out, they mitigate it. However, workplace bullying, etc and other forms take on a whole different thing. Regardless of what you friend said, could it be possible that, this person was simply in a rush, trying to navigate a crowded hallway? Technology, now often has people so absorbed; that, they are completely distracted. Hope this helps, have a good evening. re Sent from my iPad > On Feb 22, 2014, at 11:13 AM, "Mikayla Gephart" wrote: > > Thank you all for your suggestions. My parents are so gad I said something, and are helping me plan my course of action. I just wanted to hear what people on the list had to say! > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> >> How long ago did it happen? You should report it to your assistant principal or someone like that. Have a friend go with you if you feel you need it. >> >> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>> >>> She has only bullied me once. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Mikayla, >>>> >>>> How long has this been happening? Was it just this one incident or have there been several? >>>> >>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> In this post, I am going to poor out my heart. This morning, I told my mom, and I haven't told any one else. >>>>> A couple month ago, a really close friend said that another girl said that she shoved me in the hallway. My first class is Social Studies, and my homeroom is right across from Social Studies. The girl is in my homeroom. I walk very slow when going from Homeroom to Social Studies, and the girl must have wanted me to walk faster, so she shoved me. Yesterday, my friend told me that she doesn't think the girl who shoved me has a respect for people, much less a respect for people with disabilities. For the longest time, I have not told anyone. >>>>> Mikayla >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From freethaught at gmail.com Mon Feb 24 18:15:23 2014 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:15:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Would you sign into Facebook with a map? Message-ID: <6CAD7C34-BD35-49B5-9AE6-FFBEA792543A@gmail.com> Just when you thought a CAPCHA was bad enough. http://www.psmag.com/navigation/nature-and-technology/sign-facebook-map-75186/ Would You Sign Into Facebook With a Map? BY PAUL BISCEGLIO • February 21, 2014 • 12:02 PM (Photo: jacob earl/Flickr) Share on facebookShare on twitterShare on google_plusone_shareShare on emailShare on printMore Sharing Services Geography-based passwords may be the future of online security. • Last month, it was announced that the most common password used online in 2013 was “123456.” Next was “password,” then “12345678.” For users not guilty of employing one of these supremely crackable codes, it’s still not hard to see where those who do are coming from. From email to social media to online banking, unlocking our digital lives involves so many different keys that it can become a tedious task to find the right one. Sacrificing a bit of security just makes things a little more convenient. Now, a cyber security researcher named Ziyad S. Al-Salloum believes he has a way of making online passwords easier to remember and harder to crack: He calls it the “GeoGraphical” password. It’s easier to associate websites with cities we’ve been to on vacations than with the increasingly complex strings of characters required today for secure access codes. Basically, the method employs geographical data as opposed to alphanumeric characters as the building blocks of online access codes. Imagine that when you type your username into Facebook, there is no longer a simple box to the right in which you enter M!leyCyrus4LYFE93. Instead, a searchable, zoom-capable world map, à la Google Maps, appears on the screen. On this plane, you’re free to create your password by drawing any shape around any landmark you want: You could drop pinpoints to create a square around Missouri, or zoom in and circle the swimming pool in your old neighbor’s backyard. Only that specific configuration would allow you to log in. In a recent study on the effectiveness of this technology, Al-Solloum contends that geography-based passwords are ideal because humans have a much harder time recalling numbers and letters than places. It’s easier to associate websites with cities we’ve been to on vacations than with the increasingly complex strings of characters required today for secure access codes. Yet the greater advantage of geography-based passwords, Al-Solloum argues, is that the complexity of the variables behind them—like zoom level and size, shape, and angle of the highlighting marks—makes them incredibly hard to crack. Even if major websites like Facebook didn’t adopt the technology, it still could be used independently, Al-Solloum suggests. A map program on your desktop could transform data from your selected place into a long, seemingly random string of characters for you to copy and paste. Though you wouldn’t have a password actually made of geographical points in this case, you’d still have a highly secure alphanumeric code that you’d never have to memorize. Because of the high-security benefits, the password would also rarely require changing. Ultimately, the popularity of geography-based passwords probably depends on the abilities of those who develop them to balance complexity with accessibility. Places are easy to remember, but no one wants to spend five minutes in a complicated program locating their favorite ice cream shop and then drawing an exact triangle around it. “[U]sers will start learning how to enter their GeoGraphical Passwords quickly and will eventually develop their own techniques to speed up finding their secret GeoGraphical spot,” Al-Solloum told me over email. Even if he’s right, it’s hard to imagine a geography-based password taking less time to input than “123456″ any time soon. From freethaught at gmail.com Mon Feb 24 18:37:58 2014 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:37:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster Message-ID: <1371435D-F409-4756-B640-9CC1FD6CCDF8@gmail.com> Hi all, Here's a link and part of an article by Steve Kotler on how to get more for your time, and how reading faster can help you. I'm providing a link and part of the article since it would take me longer to copy and paste the article spanning three pages on the Forbs site. I'm more interested in discussing, and reading your thoughts as fast as I can than in giving you the entire thing. Some thoughts that come to mind from reading this include How do blind readers fare when many of us read with screen readers at a much faster rate than the average sighted person reading speed? How does braille fit in on our daily practice when even the fastest braille reader reads only as fast as the average sighted reader. Happy reading, Antonio http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenkotler/2013/06/02/learning-to-learn-faster-the-one-superpower-everyone-needs/ I have a new book coming out early next year, The Rise of Superman: Decoding the Science of Ultimate Human Performance. As the title suggests, my subject matter is the outer limits of human potential and the question of what might actually be possible for our species. During the course of writing this book, I've been lucky enough to meet a lot of amazing people interested in this very same question. This is a story about one of them, a really nice guy named Jim Kwik. It's also a story about learning and education, innovation and entrepreneurship, and, well, superheroes. Actually, mostly, it's a story about superheroes. Of course, since I'm telling you this is a story about superheroes, I now have to satisfy two additional requirements. There has to be a superpower; there has to be an origin story. Let's take them one at a time. Jim Kwik's superpower is learning. He's the CEO of Kwik Learning for a reason. Kwik is really, really quick. He can learn faster than mere mortals. A lot faster. As learning requires reading, well, Kwik can read alright. Most folks put away text between 200-250 words-per-minute (wpm). Kwik fires through heavy technical tomes at about 500 wpm; he devours light fiction at upwards of 1300 wpm. And he can remember what he reads. Actually, he can remember a lot more than that. If you've ever seen Kwik on stage or attended one of his seminars, then you've seen him memorize the names of every face in the crowd. Or long strings of random numbers. Most people struggle to remember all seven digits of a phone number. Kwik can remember phone numbers all day long. Hundreds of them. And this isn't a parlor trick: as was mentioned before, Kwik also remembers what he reads. Consider what this really means. Books are the best way to store and transport knowledge we have ever developed. Years and years of back-breaking research go into books. And we can access that research in hours? How crazy is that. It's also for this reason that leaders are readers. This is true for American Presidents (JFK, Carter, Clinton, etc.) and American business leaders. In fact, Bill Gates--also a voracious reader--was once asked what superpower he most wanted. What did he choose? "Being able to read superfast." Warren Buffett, who was sharing the stage with him at the time, agreed, saying: "I've probably wasted ten years reading slowly." Now, for those of us raised on Shazam and the Wonder Twins, fast reading and better recall may not seem like true superpowers, but that's only because we haven't done the math. Kwik did the math: "The average person reads 200-250 words-per-minute and spends 3 to 4 hours of their work day reading. That's more than one-third of their time on the job. If that person makes $60,000 a year, then at least $20,000 of that money is paying for them to read. But proper training can easily double the average person's reading speed (up to 400-450 w.p.m.). That cuts 3 to 4 hours down to 1 to 2. That's a savings of over an hour a day. If you do that for 365 days a year, that's 9 different 40 hour work weeks saved. That's real time productivity. Imagine what you could do with all that extra time." But you can do more than imagine. Because there's another side to superherodom that's relevant here--Kwik's origin story. Kwik Origins Jim Kwik wasn't always a great learner. In fact, just the opposite. At the age of 5, he suffered a head trauma and afterwards felt broken. Like his brain was broken. Like he could never keep up. And, truthfully, he never could keep up. Growing up in Westchester, New York, he was exceptionally challenged in school. His friends seemed to excel effortlessly, while Kwik had to struggle privately just stay in the game. Worse, this led him to be painfully shy. The combination almost proved his undoing. Kwik was temporarily relieved by the chance to go college. "It was supposed to be great," he recounts. "College was a place where no one knew me. They didn't know I had trouble learning. They knew nothing about me. I thought I could be anyone--even a smart guy." On his way towards smart, Kwik overloaded himself with classes. Once again, very quickly, the burden proved too much to bear. Unwilling to let himself slip behind, Kwik sacrificed everything at the alter of study. He stopped eating, stopped sleeping, stopped exercising. The neglect took its toll. One day, Kwik passed out at the public library. He fell down a flight of stairs and woke up in the hospital. He was battered and bruised, dehydrated and exhausted. A nurse brought him a cup of tea. There was an Albert Einstein quote printed on the side: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result." Old Al was singing his song. The quote got Kwik thinking. Instead of thinking about what he was failing to learn, he started thinking about learning itself. The brain was supposed to be this supercomputer, right? So why did his supercomputer keep malfunctioning? Why couldn't he focus? Why couldn't he remember what he read? Why did he keep losing his damn keys? And the longer he thought about it, the more he came to one conclusion: School--this place he had spent all these years trying to get smarter--is a great place to learn what to learn. But it's not necessarily a great place to learn how to learn. "If Rip Van Winkle woke up today," says Kwik, "the only thing he would recognize is our education system. It was created for 18th century needs, to train people to work in factories or the farm. Today, we're paid by what's between our ears. We're knowledge workers. We're paid for our ability to learn. Yet we have an educational system that doesn't teach people how to learn. How to focus, listen, innovate, think, remember, problem solve. Why do most people have poor reading skills? One reason is that the last time most people took a class called "reading" they were probably five years old." So, Kwik made the art of studying his study. He started pouring through tomes on neuroscience, adult development, and meta-learning--which is the science of how we learn. He discovered there was a lot to learn. He also applied this knowledge. To his incredible surprise, progress came quickly. After spending less than 30 days working on new learning habits, Kwik could focus better, read faster, retain more. After 60 days, he was getting better grades and in far less time. His self-image started to change. His confidence started to soar. Hell, before long, he barely recognized himself. For the sheer joy of sharing, Kwik started tutoring others in what he learned about learning. One of his first students was a young woman desperate to read more quickly. The woman struggled with the technique. Speed reading isn't skimming and it isn't scanning. Done properly, an augmented with memory work, it's very high comprehension and high retention. And not easy to learn But this woman was incredibly determined. She kept at it. Eventually, something clicked. And it kept clicking. She read 30 books in 30 days--an absolutely amazing total. So amazing, that Kwik had to ask the purpose. Why 30 in 30? What could possibly be the hurry? Her mother was the hurry. She was in the hospital dying of cancer. Doctors had given her 60 days to live. Kwik's student was speed reading books on health and wellness. It was a last ditch effort to save her mother's life. Kwik was 19 years old at the time and this was not the kind of answer he was expecting. "I didn't even know what to say to that," he recounts. "I also didn't think it would ever work. Six months later, Kwik got a call from the woman. Her mother had survived the cancer. "It was a miracle," says Kwik. "The doctors had no idea what was keeping her alive. But her mother believes she's alive because of all the great advice she got from her daughter when she was sick. The same advice, her daughter had gotten reading 30 books in 30 days." That was when it all came together for him. "If knowledge is power," he says, "that was the moment I realized that learning is a superpower." More importantly, as Kwik himself points out, "I'm not special. I didn't naturally have these superpowers. They were learned. And if I can learn them, anyone can learn them--regardless of age, background or education." From liamskitten at gmail.com Mon Feb 24 20:20:35 2014 From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:20:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: <1371435D-F409-4756-B640-9CC1FD6CCDF8@gmail.com> References: <1371435D-F409-4756-B640-9CC1FD6CCDF8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Antonio, I'll return with more thoughts later tonight when I've properly read the article, but I thought I'd answer your questions, because they interest me on a philosophical level. This is one of the ways that, frankly, my life experience simply hasn't jived with NFB philosophy. NFB philosophy emphasizes the importance of fast Braille reading, which I agree with; practice absolutely must be maintained. However, they also seem to strongly insist on Braille textbooks, which I don't get behind so much. Doing college-level reading; I have never had to consume material as quickly as I am right now. And, at least for me, reading textbooks in Braille is simply impractical, even if that Braille has shifted to electronic instead of hardcopy. I can read loads faster, even with something like RFBD and the Bookmarks function on my player to find important material again, than I ever thought about with Braille, particularly because I can quickly skim over superfluous material like map descriptions, vocabulary I already remember, or excerpts from outside documents that are meant to enhance the readings, which are always located at the end of the page, by simply going to the next one with the press of a button. With books read by a screen reader, particularly if they're from somewhere like Bookshare and have Daisy navigation, this is even more true. I think your point is very true, about Braille readers only reading at the pace of sighted ones. I went in recently to take a test in Braille (the one reason I keep my Braille skills sharp; my test performance plummets when I have to have a reader), and was noted as one of the fastest Braille readers the proctor had ever seen. However, someone was taking the same test with a screen reader, and was finished in half the time I was. So, learning to take tests with screen and human readers is something I wish to become proficient at. After all, I may have Braille accommodation now, but I doubt a workplace, such as a call center, that has a training process before proper work begins, is going to allow me to have a Braille display. Now, this says nothing about leisure activities, in which I vastly prefer Braille to audio, save in rare cases. If I'm going to read a book, I want to actually be reading it. Also, any proofing task would be made immensely more difficult without the use of Braille. I hope this at least provides an interesting perspective on your questions, as you certainly provided a very interesting article I'm looking forward to diving in to. Warmly, Courtney From nijat1989 at gmail.com Mon Feb 24 20:58:29 2014 From: nijat1989 at gmail.com (Nijat Worley) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 15:58:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accepting applications for 2014 Summer Internships at the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute Message-ID: The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) is the oldest and largest nationwide organization of blind people in the United States. With an affiliate in every state, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico, the Federation is the voice of the nation's blind. In 2004, the NFB established the Jernigan Institute as the first research and training facility developed and directed by blind people. Through its members at the local level and programs and services offered through the NFB Jernigan Institute in Baltimore, Maryland, the Federation has established itself as a leader in creating innovative education programs, technologies, research, and partnerships that will forever change opportunities for the blind. As we imagine and build a future full of opportunities, we are interested in fostering leadership and innovation through NFB internships. NFB internships provide an opportunity for individuals to contribute to the programs of the Federation while gaining valuable experience at the center of innovation in the blindness field. NFB internships will be hosted at the NFB headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland. Internship placements are currently available for the summer of 2014. NFB internships will begin on June 2 and end on August 8, 2014 (ten weeks). The internship experience includes a stipend and can include sleeping accommodations at the NFB Jernigan Institute, if necessary. One of the requirements of the internship is participation in program activities at the NFB National Convention to be held in Orlando, Florida, from July 1-6. Program areas where interns might be placed during the summer of 2013 include: * Access technology * Civil rights-especially advocacy around voting rights and educational accessibility * Data management * Education programs * Governmental affairs * Information technology * Jacobus tenBroek Library * Membership building * NFB NEWSLINE(r) for the Blind * Outreach and fundraising * Public relations & social media Individuals interested in applying for an internship with the National Federation of the Blind should prepare the following materials and submit them in an accessible electronic format no later than March 14, 2014: 1. A cover letter expressing why you are uniquely qualified for an NFB internship, the program area(s) which you would be most interested in gaining experience, and the projects that drive your passion in those programs. Please feel free to include any innovative new projects that you might want to help initiate during your internship. Please note any scheduling problems that would prevent you from being available from June 2 through August 8. 2. A resume including current contact information. 3. Two or three references with complete contact information. Send all of your materials, preferably via email, to: National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute Attn: Beth Braun 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 E-mail: bbraun at nfb.org Questions regarding NFB internships can be directed to Beth Braun at 410-659-9314, extension 2369, or bbraun at nfb.org. We anticipate selecting our 2014 internship class by April 15, 2014 -- Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-931 From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Mon Feb 24 21:09:19 2014 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:09:19 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Sandra's starting Braille Line. Message-ID: Hello everyone, I'm launching a bimonthly Braille teleconference in May called Braille Line. This is your opportunity to ask a dedicated Braille teacher anything and everything! I'll be covering Braille Music and day-to-day Braille in over ten languages, including English, Maths, Science, French and German. If you want to take part, at no cost to yourself, email me off list at sandragayer7 at gmail.com Very best wishes, Sandra. -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html Voiceover Artist www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Feb 24 22:40:32 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:40:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster Message-ID: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is more important for some classes than others, but reading braille tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! Sincerely, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Courtney Stover References: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140224152507.03fb5cd8@comcast.net> Good afternoon, Sophie, Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you find yourself in this way. for today, Car 408-209-3239 Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is more important for some classes than others, but reading braille tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! >Sincerely, >Sophie > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Courtney Stover To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:20:35 -0600 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > >Antonio, > >I'll return with more thoughts later tonight when I've properly read >the article, but I thought I'd answer your questions, because they >interest me on a philosophical level. > >This is one of the ways that, frankly, my life experience simply >hasn't jived with NFB philosophy. NFB philosophy emphasizes the >importance of fast Braille reading, which I agree with; practice >absolutely must be maintained. However, they also seem to strongly >insist on Braille textbooks, which I don't get behind so much. >Doing >college-level reading; I have never had to consume material as quickly >as I am right now. And, at least for me, reading textbooks in Braille >is simply impractical, even if that Braille has shifted to electronic >instead of hardcopy. I can read loads faster, even with something >like RFBD and the Bookmarks function on my player to find important >material again, than I ever thought about with Braille, particularly >because I can quickly skim over superfluous material like map >descriptions, vocabulary I already remember, or excerpts from outside >documents that are meant to enhance the readings, which are always >located at the end of the page, by simply going to the next one with >the press of a button. With books read by a screen reader, >particularly if they're from somewhere like Bookshare and have Daisy >navigation, this is even more true. > >I think your point is very true, about Braille readers only reading at >the pace of sighted ones. I went in recently to take a test in >Braille (the one reason I keep my Braille skills sharp; my test >performance plummets when I have to have a reader), and was noted as >one of the fastest Braille readers the proctor had ever seen. >However, someone was taking the same test with a screen reader, and >was finished in half the time I was. So, learning to take tests with >screen and human readers is something I wish to become proficient at. >After all, I may have Braille accommodation now, but I doubt a >workplace, such as a call center, that has a training process before >proper work begins, is going to allow me to have a Braille display. > >Now, this says nothing about leisure activities, in which I vastly >prefer Braille to audio, save in rare cases. If I'm going to read a >book, I want to actually be reading it. Also, any proofing task would >be made immensely more difficult without the use of Braille. > >I hope this at least provides an interesting perspective on your >questions, as you certainly provided a very interesting article I'm >looking forward to diving in to. >Warmly, >Courtney > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >r%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 00:34:00 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:34:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140224152507.03fb5cd8@comcast.net> References: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140224152507.03fb5cd8@comcast.net> Message-ID: I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. You can skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your fingers down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the text is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the time. I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy ratio. That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as little time as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a minute and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half what was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully reading in Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you read, and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right before the test, is valuable. I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and I've often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and having less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow down or I start missing stuff. Arielle On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good afternoon, Sophie, > > Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, > couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. > Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was > a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, > the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the > help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself > nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car > which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute > tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to > perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing > braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe > dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with > neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, > anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! > But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, > during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille > Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, > I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as > talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you > find yourself in this way. > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I > actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in > high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college > students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format > with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find > command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up > something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you > wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more > when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my > fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm > listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is > more important for some classes than others, but reading braille > tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's > underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. > These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! > >>Sincerely, >>Sophie >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Courtney Stover >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Date sent: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:20:35 -0600 >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster >> >>Antonio, >> >>I'll return with more thoughts later tonight when I've properly read >>the article, but I thought I'd answer your questions, because they >>interest me on a philosophical level. >> >>This is one of the ways that, frankly, my life experience simply >>hasn't jived with NFB philosophy. NFB philosophy emphasizes the >>importance of fast Braille reading, which I agree with; practice >>absolutely must be maintained. However, they also seem to strongly >>insist on Braille textbooks, which I don't get behind so much. >>Doing >>college-level reading; I have never had to consume material as quickly >>as I am right now. And, at least for me, reading textbooks in Braille >>is simply impractical, even if that Braille has shifted to electronic >>instead of hardcopy. I can read loads faster, even with something >>like RFBD and the Bookmarks function on my player to find important >>material again, than I ever thought about with Braille, particularly >>because I can quickly skim over superfluous material like map >>descriptions, vocabulary I already remember, or excerpts from outside >>documents that are meant to enhance the readings, which are always >>located at the end of the page, by simply going to the next one with >>the press of a button. With books read by a screen reader, >>particularly if they're from somewhere like Bookshare and have Daisy >>navigation, this is even more true. >> >>I think your point is very true, about Braille readers only reading at >>the pace of sighted ones. I went in recently to take a test in >>Braille (the one reason I keep my Braille skills sharp; my test >>performance plummets when I have to have a reader), and was noted as >>one of the fastest Braille readers the proctor had ever seen. >>However, someone was taking the same test with a screen reader, and >>was finished in half the time I was. So, learning to take tests with >>screen and human readers is something I wish to become proficient at. >>After all, I may have Braille accommodation now, but I doubt a >>workplace, such as a call center, that has a training process before >>proper work begins, is going to allow me to have a Braille display. >> >>Now, this says nothing about leisure activities, in which I vastly >>prefer Braille to audio, save in rare cases. If I'm going to read a >>book, I want to actually be reading it. Also, any proofing task would >>be made immensely more difficult without the use of Braille. >> >>I hope this at least provides an interesting perspective on your >>questions, as you certainly provided a very interesting article I'm >>looking forward to diving in to. >>Warmly, >>Courtney >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>r%40gmail.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From freethaught at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 00:52:34 2014 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 19:52:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> References: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <643D459D-5ED7-43A0-9BEF-B6FC999FC17D@gmail.com> Hello ladies, Sophie, I am happy to see you keep up with your classes in braille while in high school. That time is when I think we need to develop great braille skills that will indeed allow you to spell, retain information, and dare I say, keep certain areas of the brain sharp by the unique experience of the interaction between touch, and language. I believe, and there may be research to back this up, that neuro pathways are built that would never be built otherwise when you have language input through the fingers. This type of experience must be very different, if not deeper and more meaningful than hand-eye coordination. I don't know what to call the language learning through touch experience, so I'll leave it to one's creativity to name it. There is no electronic equivalent to solving math problems, learning geometry, trig, geography, and the like. These things involve manipulating the information. These tasks require you to interact with the page. This comes naturally and sooner to a sighted student, and we do ourselves a favor to allow ourselves to explore geography, geometry, trig, and higher power forbid, actually solving math problems. There is a beautiful thing taking place when a blind person can access these types of subject matters if for no other reason than to break through the common misconceptions among blind people themselves that geometry and the like is hard, and impossible, and no place for blind student to go playing in. I see your point, Sophie, when you say you can search for text in a braille file, but the same can be true for otter electronic formats. I still haven't managed to use search features with bookshare material in the Read2Go app, but electronic content is electronic content no matter what. I mean that if it in a digital form, you can search it, copy, paste, and the like. the point you make that sounds most important to me is that you retain more when reading in braille. I've felt the same way, but I can only support this argument anecdotally. I read very little braille, even though I use it every day on the braille sense. Braille is on at all times, and I always read my braille sense content in braille. I don't go out of my way to download and read something off of BARD, Bookshare, etc, but I seem to relate to the material I do read in braille a little better. There aren't simply enough hours in a day to justify a lot of braille reading for me, even if one could prove I retain better with it. I prefer listening to a spoken article at double speed, and speeding my thought process than slowing down to 60 or 70 words a minute in braille to spell better, and retain more. I benefit more from retention and comprehension at 400 to 500 words a minute over days, weeks, and years much more than my 70 words a minute with braille. No doubt I'd increase my braille reading speed a lot with practice, but it would never come close to how fast I listen to something. Antonio PS: For more articles like this one you can listen to read by a human at double the speed, check out an app called Umano in the app store. On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is more important for some classes than others, but reading braille tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! > > Sincerely, > Sophie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Courtney Stover To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:20:35 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Antonio, > > I'll return with more thoughts later tonight when I've properly read > the article, but I thought I'd answer your questions, because they > interest me on a philosophical level. > > This is one of the ways that, frankly, my life experience simply > hasn't jived with NFB philosophy. NFB philosophy emphasizes the > importance of fast Braille reading, which I agree with; practice > absolutely must be maintained. However, they also seem to strongly > insist on Braille textbooks, which I don't get behind so much. Doing > college-level reading; I have never had to consume material as quickly > as I am right now. And, at least for me, reading textbooks in Braille > is simply impractical, even if that Braille has shifted to electronic > instead of hardcopy. I can read loads faster, even with something > like RFBD and the Bookmarks function on my player to find important > material again, than I ever thought about with Braille, particularly > because I can quickly skim over superfluous material like map > descriptions, vocabulary I already remember, or excerpts from outside > documents that are meant to enhance the readings, which are always > located at the end of the page, by simply going to the next one with > the press of a button. With books read by a screen reader, > particularly if they're from somewhere like Bookshare and have Daisy > navigation, this is even more true. > > I think your point is very true, about Braille readers only reading at > the pace of sighted ones. I went in recently to take a test in > Braille (the one reason I keep my Braille skills sharp; my test > performance plummets when I have to have a reader), and was noted as > one of the fastest Braille readers the proctor had ever seen. > However, someone was taking the same test with a screen reader, and > was finished in half the time I was. So, learning to take tests with > screen and human readers is something I wish to become proficient at. > After all, I may have Braille accommodation now, but I doubt a > workplace, such as a call center, that has a training process before > proper work begins, is going to allow me to have a Braille display. > > Now, this says nothing about leisure activities, in which I vastly > prefer Braille to audio, save in rare cases. If I'm going to read a > book, I want to actually be reading it. Also, any proofing task would > be made immensely more difficult without the use of Braille. > > I hope this at least provides an interesting perspective on your > questions, as you certainly provided a very interesting article I'm > looking forward to diving in to. > Warmly, > Courtney > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 01:02:18 2014 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:02:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: References: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140224152507.03fb5cd8@comcast.net> Message-ID: How many hours a night must you spend reading in order to keep up with and be successful in your classes? Are you using Braille or a screen reader? I'd love to hear everyone weigh in on this. If you don't read for class every night, how many hours a week? Jamie Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. You can > skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your fingers > down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the text > is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section > heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. > Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the time. > I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy ratio. > That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as little time > as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a minute > and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half what > was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully reading in > Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you read, > and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right before the > test, is valuable. > I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and I've > often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and having > less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow down > or I start missing stuff. > > Arielle > >> On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> Good afternoon, Sophie, >> >> Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, >> couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. >> Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was >> a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, >> the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the >> help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself >> nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car >> which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute >> tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to >> perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing >> braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe >> dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with >> neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, >> anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! >> But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, >> during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille >> Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, >> I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as >> talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you >> find yourself in this way. >> for today, Car >> 408-209-3239 >> >> Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I >> actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in >> high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college >> students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format >> with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find >> command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up >> something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you >> wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more >> when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my >> fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm >> listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is >> more important for some classes than others, but reading braille >> tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's >> underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. >> These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! >> >>> Sincerely, >>> Sophie >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Courtney Stover >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Date sent: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:20:35 -0600 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster >>> >>> Antonio, >>> >>> I'll return with more thoughts later tonight when I've properly read >>> the article, but I thought I'd answer your questions, because they >>> interest me on a philosophical level. >>> >>> This is one of the ways that, frankly, my life experience simply >>> hasn't jived with NFB philosophy. NFB philosophy emphasizes the >>> importance of fast Braille reading, which I agree with; practice >>> absolutely must be maintained. However, they also seem to strongly >>> insist on Braille textbooks, which I don't get behind so much. >>> Doing >>> college-level reading; I have never had to consume material as quickly >>> as I am right now. And, at least for me, reading textbooks in Braille >>> is simply impractical, even if that Braille has shifted to electronic >>> instead of hardcopy. I can read loads faster, even with something >>> like RFBD and the Bookmarks function on my player to find important >>> material again, than I ever thought about with Braille, particularly >>> because I can quickly skim over superfluous material like map >>> descriptions, vocabulary I already remember, or excerpts from outside >>> documents that are meant to enhance the readings, which are always >>> located at the end of the page, by simply going to the next one with >>> the press of a button. With books read by a screen reader, >>> particularly if they're from somewhere like Bookshare and have Daisy >>> navigation, this is even more true. >>> >>> I think your point is very true, about Braille readers only reading at >>> the pace of sighted ones. I went in recently to take a test in >>> Braille (the one reason I keep my Braille skills sharp; my test >>> performance plummets when I have to have a reader), and was noted as >>> one of the fastest Braille readers the proctor had ever seen. >>> However, someone was taking the same test with a screen reader, and >>> was finished in half the time I was. So, learning to take tests with >>> screen and human readers is something I wish to become proficient at. >>> After all, I may have Braille accommodation now, but I doubt a >>> workplace, such as a call center, that has a training process before >>> proper work begins, is going to allow me to have a Braille display. >>> >>> Now, this says nothing about leisure activities, in which I vastly >>> prefer Braille to audio, save in rare cases. If I'm going to read a >>> book, I want to actually be reading it. Also, any proofing task would >>> be made immensely more difficult without the use of Braille. >>> >>> I hope this at least provides an interesting perspective on your >>> questions, as you certainly provided a very interesting article I'm >>> looking forward to diving in to. >>> Warmly, >>> Courtney >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From malhajamy at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 01:08:58 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 20:08:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster Message-ID: <530bed61.a15c8c0a.932c.68a1@mx.google.com> Me, personally, I use a mix of everything. I use braille on my BrailleNote to keep up with schoolwork. Now, my teachers are sending me most things electronicly. I don't really find hard copy a good option, because I always find myself losing assignments somewhere. So, my teachers are switching to sending me things by email. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jamie Principato wrote: I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. You can skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your fingers down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the text is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the time. I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy ratio. That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as little time as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a minute and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half what was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully reading in Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you read, and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right before the test, is valuable. I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and I've often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and having less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow down or I start missing stuff. Arielle On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: Good afternoon, Sophie, Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you find yourself in this way. for today, Car 408-209-3239 Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is more important for some classes than others, but reading braille tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! Sincerely, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Courtney Stover References: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140224152507.03fb5cd8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <225579C5-553E-4D7D-A8EF-5ACC2FAD8C1F@fuse.net> I personally can't stand human readers. I would say that my Braille reading and comprehension of a screen reader are about the same. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Jamie Principato wrote: > > How many hours a night must you spend reading in order to keep up with and be successful in your classes? Are you using Braille or a screen reader? I'd love to hear everyone weigh in on this. If you don't read for class every night, how many hours a week? > > Jamie > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> >> I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. You can >> skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your fingers >> down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the text >> is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section >> heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. >> Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the time. >> I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy ratio. >> That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as little time >> as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a minute >> and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half what >> was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully reading in >> Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you read, >> and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right before the >> test, is valuable. >> I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and I've >> often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and having >> less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow down >> or I start missing stuff. >> >> Arielle >> >>> On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >>> Good afternoon, Sophie, >>> >>> Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, >>> couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. >>> Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was >>> a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, >>> the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the >>> help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself >>> nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car >>> which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 02:25:11 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 19:25:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: <225579C5-553E-4D7D-A8EF-5ACC2FAD8C1F@fuse.net> References: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140224152507.03fb5cd8@comcast.net> <225579C5-553E-4D7D-A8EF-5ACC2FAD8C1F@fuse.net> Message-ID: When I was an undergrad student, I used a combination of Braille, E-text with JAWS, and audio recordings for my textbooks, depending on what was available. I didn't keep track of how much time I spent working on reading, but I don't think the amount of time ever seemed excessive. I usually got in the habit of reading book chapters all the way through rather than skimming, but then I didn't need to re-read before tests. I could just study my notes and that was usually good enough. I did find that it was essential for me to take notes if I was reading through audio either with JAWS or an audio recording; otherwise I would forget the material. If I read using Braille I didn't have that problem. I had a Braille Note then, so note-taking while listening to JAWS was easy. Now that I no longer have a Braille notetaker this has become less efficient for me, since I have to stop JAWS and go into a notes file every time I want to write something down. However, now as a doctoral student in dissertation stage, nearly all my work is writing. In some ways I miss reading! :) Arielle On 2/24/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > I personally can't stand human readers. I would say that my Braille reading > and comprehension of a screen reader are about the same. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Jamie Principato >> wrote: >> >> How many hours a night must you spend reading in order to keep up with and >> be successful in your classes? Are you using Braille or a screen reader? >> I'd love to hear everyone weigh in on this. If you don't read for class >> every night, how many hours a week? >> >> Jamie >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Arielle Silverman >>> wrote: >>> >>> I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. You can >>> skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your fingers >>> down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the text >>> is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section >>> heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. >>> Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the time. >>> I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy ratio. >>> That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as little time >>> as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a minute >>> and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half what >>> was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully reading in >>> Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you read, >>> and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right before the >>> test, is valuable. >>> I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and I've >>> often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and having >>> less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow down >>> or I start missing stuff. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >>>> Good afternoon, Sophie, >>>> >>>> Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, >>>> couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. >>>> Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was >>>> a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, >>>> the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the >>>> help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself >>>> nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car >>>> which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From freethaught at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 02:29:03 2014 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:29:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: References: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140224152507.03fb5cd8@comcast.net> Message-ID: Arielle, Braille is expensive to produce, and hard to come by. The type of braille you can skim through, and browse for heading is printed on paper. You must know what it takes to produce braille on paper, and most of what we need access to can't wait to be broiled for us by ext week. Here's an example of how browsing electronically is faster. I was browsing through the Mac visionaries list and saw a message about a critical software upgrade to the iPhone. Then I decided to cross-check what I was reading by next snooping around the VIPhone listserv. I got through reading a thread consisting of 24 messages in just 10 minutes. There was a lot of browsing, and skipping through material I deemed unimportant. It is not humanly possible to get this much information this fast with a braille display. I am reading on the Mac with Alex at 60 percent speed. I've been able to get away with 70 percent, and I suppose others can listen even faster than that. It is taking me more than 10 minutes to compose this message. Think how long it will take you to read it. Just a fraction of it. One of the points made in the article is that writing a book may take years of research, and may only take a few hours to read. This should be consolation to us. Even so, there is so much to read that one is well-served by being somewhat selective of what he consumes. I will often give uninteresting material a small chance at proving useful to me, and won't think twice if I get the urge to skip it. If the content is bad, the grammar worse, I might decide to turn away at reading what could otherwise be a poor simple choice of words. For instance, I skipped reading something upon seeing that someone graduated college, rather than graduating from college. There were other factors buying me about the writing, and I gave myself the opportunity to find something better to read. Antonio On Feb 24, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. You can > skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your fingers > down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the text > is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section > heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. > Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the time. > I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy ratio. > That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as little time > as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a minute > and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half what > was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully reading in > Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you read, > and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right before the > test, is valuable. > I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and I've > often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and having > less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow down > or I start missing stuff. > > Arielle > > On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> Good afternoon, Sophie, >> >> Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, >> couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. >> Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was >> a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, >> the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the >> help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself >> nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car >> which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute >> tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to >> perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing >> braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe >> dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with >> neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, >> anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! >> But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, >> during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille >> Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, >> I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as >> talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you >> find yourself in this way. >> for today, Car >> 408-209-3239 >> >> Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I >> actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in >> high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college >> students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format >> with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find >> command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up >> something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you >> wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more >> when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my >> fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm >> listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is >> more important for some classes than others, but reading braille >> tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's >> underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. >> These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! >> >>> Sincerely, >>> Sophie >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Courtney Stover >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Date sent: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:20:35 -0600 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster >>> >>> Antonio, >>> >>> I'll return with more thoughts later tonight when I've properly read >>> the article, but I thought I'd answer your questions, because they >>> interest me on a philosophical level. >>> >>> This is one of the ways that, frankly, my life experience simply >>> hasn't jived with NFB philosophy. NFB philosophy emphasizes the >>> importance of fast Braille reading, which I agree with; practice >>> absolutely must be maintained. However, they also seem to strongly >>> insist on Braille textbooks, which I don't get behind so much. >>> Doing >>> college-level reading; I have never had to consume material as quickly >>> as I am right now. And, at least for me, reading textbooks in Braille >>> is simply impractical, even if that Braille has shifted to electronic >>> instead of hardcopy. I can read loads faster, even with something >>> like RFBD and the Bookmarks function on my player to find important >>> material again, than I ever thought about with Braille, particularly >>> because I can quickly skim over superfluous material like map >>> descriptions, vocabulary I already remember, or excerpts from outside >>> documents that are meant to enhance the readings, which are always >>> located at the end of the page, by simply going to the next one with >>> the press of a button. With books read by a screen reader, >>> particularly if they're from somewhere like Bookshare and have Daisy >>> navigation, this is even more true. >>> >>> I think your point is very true, about Braille readers only reading at >>> the pace of sighted ones. I went in recently to take a test in >>> Braille (the one reason I keep my Braille skills sharp; my test >>> performance plummets when I have to have a reader), and was noted as >>> one of the fastest Braille readers the proctor had ever seen. >>> However, someone was taking the same test with a screen reader, and >>> was finished in half the time I was. So, learning to take tests with >>> screen and human readers is something I wish to become proficient at. >>> After all, I may have Braille accommodation now, but I doubt a >>> workplace, such as a call center, that has a training process before >>> proper work begins, is going to allow me to have a Braille display. >>> >>> Now, this says nothing about leisure activities, in which I vastly >>> prefer Braille to audio, save in rare cases. If I'm going to read a >>> book, I want to actually be reading it. Also, any proofing task would >>> be made immensely more difficult without the use of Braille. >>> >>> I hope this at least provides an interesting perspective on your >>> questions, as you certainly provided a very interesting article I'm >>> looking forward to diving in to. >>> Warmly, >>> Courtney >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From freethaught at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 02:45:03 2014 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:45:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: <225579C5-553E-4D7D-A8EF-5ACC2FAD8C1F@fuse.net> References: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140224152507.03fb5cd8@comcast.net> <225579C5-553E-4D7D-A8EF-5ACC2FAD8C1F@fuse.net> Message-ID: Lillie, Is your text to speech reading much faster than your braille? Has anyone on this list actually done studies or reviewed some scholarly articles on braille, speed reading, and the brain? I've participated in several cognitive neuroscience research projects looking at brain plasticity. There is a growing body of research being done on blindness, and I'm looking forward to learning more from science. I could always hit up a good friend or two working on these things at cognitive science labs. Some of you may know Lindsay Yazzolino. She is one person who has been involved in this type of research in one way or a noter since 2010. She probably still lurks around the NABS list. I mention her because I am at least somewhat familiar with some of the research she's involved in, and the people she works with. I have personally given of my time to a few of these projects in Boston. Have been inside an FMRI machine over 5 times in all. Nobody is talking about the science of blindness. At least not that I can tell. I wish we actually payed more attention to it. Unfortunately the people who know about such projects tend to be those directly involved in them, or the friends, family, and ex boyfriends of the researchers, myself included. A little background for your information, I dated Lindsay for a good few years. It shouldn't take a bunch of us dating a bunch of them to be more interested.. I've gotten enough philosophy over the years. How about a little more science? Antonio On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Lillie Pennington wrote: > I personally can't stand human readers. I would say that my Braille reading and comprehension of a screen reader are about the same. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Jamie Principato wrote: >> >> How many hours a night must you spend reading in order to keep up with and be successful in your classes? Are you using Braille or a screen reader? I'd love to hear everyone weigh in on this. If you don't read for class every night, how many hours a week? >> >> Jamie >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> >>> I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. You can >>> skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your fingers >>> down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the text >>> is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section >>> heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. >>> Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the time. >>> I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy ratio. >>> That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as little time >>> as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a minute >>> and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half what >>> was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully reading in >>> Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you read, >>> and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right before the >>> test, is valuable. >>> I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and I've >>> often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and having >>> less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow down >>> or I start missing stuff. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >>>> Good afternoon, Sophie, >>>> >>>> Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, >>>> couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. >>>> Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was >>>> a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, >>>> the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the >>>> help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself >>>> nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car >>>> which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Feb 25 02:48:19 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:48:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: References: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com><7.0.1.0.2.20140224152507.03fb5cd8@comcast.net><225579C5-553E-4D7D-A8EF-5ACC2FAD8C1F@fuse.net> Message-ID: <9BE3974D101A4B0C95D11CE63AF5590C@OwnerPC> Arielle, You and me study the same way. I, too, zone out when doing audio reading; its tough to concentrate but very hard with jaws; I need a human reader, live or recorded, to really absorb the material. I also find it very necessary to take notes when doing audio reading like I will tonight. I read all the way through which is quite time consuming as I cannot skim over the irrelavant boxes and sidebars. But as you said, the advantage is that I can study my notes for exams, rather than re-reading the chapter. I also have a braille note so this system works since I can write notes in braille. I would say that audio reading is faster than braille. I used braille and audio in high school, but more audio. I think braille took slightly longer. I had good reading speed, but its just that it was long text and for every print page, it was like five braille pages. I never timed it so I don't know for sure though. I need my braille to retain info, so if I'm not reading in braille, I use my braille notes as a substitute for that. Sometimes I even put place markers in my keyword files to further help me mark up important info. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster When I was an undergrad student, I used a combination of Braille, E-text with JAWS, and audio recordings for my textbooks, depending on what was available. I didn't keep track of how much time I spent working on reading, but I don't think the amount of time ever seemed excessive. I usually got in the habit of reading book chapters all the way through rather than skimming, but then I didn't need to re-read before tests. I could just study my notes and that was usually good enough. I did find that it was essential for me to take notes if I was reading through audio either with JAWS or an audio recording; otherwise I would forget the material. If I read using Braille I didn't have that problem. I had a Braille Note then, so note-taking while listening to JAWS was easy. Now that I no longer have a Braille notetaker this has become less efficient for me, since I have to stop JAWS and go into a notes file every time I want to write something down. However, now as a doctoral student in dissertation stage, nearly all my work is writing. In some ways I miss reading! :) Arielle On 2/24/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > I personally can't stand human readers. I would say that my Braille > reading > and comprehension of a screen reader are about the same. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Jamie Principato >> wrote: >> >> How many hours a night must you spend reading in order to keep up with >> and >> be successful in your classes? Are you using Braille or a screen reader? >> I'd love to hear everyone weigh in on this. If you don't read for class >> every night, how many hours a week? >> >> Jamie >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Arielle Silverman >>> wrote: >>> >>> I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. You can >>> skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your fingers >>> down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the text >>> is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section >>> heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. >>> Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the time. >>> I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy ratio. >>> That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as little time >>> as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a minute >>> and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half what >>> was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully reading in >>> Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you read, >>> and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right before the >>> test, is valuable. >>> I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and I've >>> often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and having >>> less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow down >>> or I start missing stuff. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >>>> Good afternoon, Sophie, >>>> >>>> Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, >>>> couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. >>>> Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was >>>> a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, >>>> the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the >>>> help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself >>>> nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car >>>> which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 02:50:18 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 20:50:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] sat prep Message-ID: <530c04ed.21af3c0a.43b7.ffffb68c@mx.google.com> Hey NABSsters, I'm a junior in high school, and as the subject of my email suggests, I'm going to take the SAT in May. Have any of you taken the SAT? If so, what are some good tips for studying and preparing? I took the PSAT and got an awesome score in English, but math, my weakest subject, needs some serious work. Any tips will be seriously appreciated. Yours sincerely, Sophie From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 03:03:16 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 22:03:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: References: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140224152507.03fb5cd8@comcast.net> <225579C5-553E-4D7D-A8EF-5ACC2FAD8C1F@fuse.net> Message-ID: <8A0964B7-1A10-4346-A8B0-6799096EEC4F@gmail.com> Antonio and All, I would suspect that the comparative efficiency of Braille vs text-to-speech software is dependent upon the speed at which you can read/listen to each. I, for example, find it easier to skim read using Braille; indeed, I believe I can comprehend information better when reading it in Braille. While I can and do read often with speech, it is a method which I prefer for shorter and less detail-oriented material—emails, Facebook, Twitter, books I read for pleasure, etc. However, I currently read Braille at about 180 words per minute, while I can comprehend JAWS at about rate 115 and VoiceOver on iOS at 100 percent. If one can understand TTS at a much faster rate than he/she can read Braille, it would only follow that speech would be more efficient. This does not mean that the slow Braille reader should not work to improve his/her reading speed. I am only pointing out that I believe it is important that we evaluate which method is more efficient for each of us and use that method when productivity is at a premium while working to improve our proficiency with the other. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:45 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote: > > Lillie, > > Is your text to speech reading much faster than your braille? > > Has anyone on this list actually done studies or reviewed some scholarly articles on braille, speed reading, and the brain? > > I've participated in several cognitive neuroscience research projects looking at brain plasticity. There is a growing body of research being done on blindness, and I'm looking forward to learning more from science. > > I could always hit up a good friend or two working on these things at cognitive science labs. Some of you may know Lindsay Yazzolino. She is one person who has been involved in this type of research in one way or a noter since 2010. She probably still lurks around the NABS list. I mention her because I am at least somewhat familiar with some of the research she's involved in, and the people she works with. > > I have personally given of my time to a few of these projects in Boston. Have been inside an FMRI machine over 5 times in all. > > Nobody is talking about the science of blindness. At least not that I can tell. I wish we actually payed more attention to it. > > Unfortunately the people who know about such projects tend to be those directly involved in them, or the friends, family, and ex boyfriends of the researchers, myself included. > > A little background for your information, I dated Lindsay for a good few years. It shouldn't take a bunch of us dating a bunch of them to be more interested.. > > I've gotten enough philosophy over the years. How about a little more science? > > Antonio > >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:08 PM, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> >> I personally can't stand human readers. I would say that my Braille reading and comprehension of a screen reader are about the same. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Jamie Principato wrote: >>> >>> How many hours a night must you spend reading in order to keep up with and be successful in your classes? Are you using Braille or a screen reader? I'd love to hear everyone weigh in on this. If you don't read for class every night, how many hours a week? >>> >>> Jamie >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> >>>> I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. You can >>>> skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your fingers >>>> down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the text >>>> is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section >>>> heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. >>>> Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the time. >>>> I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy ratio. >>>> That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as little time >>>> as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a minute >>>> and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half what >>>> was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully reading in >>>> Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you read, >>>> and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right before the >>>> test, is valuable. >>>> I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and I've >>>> often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and having >>>> less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow down >>>> or I start missing stuff. >>>> >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >>>>> Good afternoon, Sophie, >>>>> >>>>> Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, >>>>> couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. >>>>> Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was >>>>> a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, >>>>> the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the >>>>> help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself >>>>> nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car >>>>> which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 03:05:48 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 22:05:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] sat prep In-Reply-To: <530c04ed.21af3c0a.43b7.ffffb68c@mx.google.com> References: <530c04ed.21af3c0a.43b7.ffffb68c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <16622A61-15BB-4B18-A052-9EDA524A5B16@gmail.com> Hey Sophie, Does your school offer SAT Prep classes? If so, I would suggest taking this course for math—I will definitely do that next year. There is also study material on the College Board's Web site. HTH, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:50 PM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Hey NABSsters, > > I'm a junior in high school, and as the subject of my email suggests, I'm going to take the SAT in May. Have any of you taken the SAT? If so, what are some good tips for studying and preparing? I took the PSAT and got an awesome score in English, but math, my weakest subject, needs some serious work. Any tips will be seriously appreciated. > > Yours sincerely, > Sophie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Feb 25 03:18:57 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 22:18:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Performing Arts Division Board Member Kevin ReevesGets Interviewed About His Latest Album And More On Tonight'sDjd Invasion In-Reply-To: <324D16C25DDF4660A2E6AF548AA436A3@AudioAccessFMPC> References: <324D16C25DDF4660A2E6AF548AA436A3@AudioAccessFMPC> Message-ID: Hi, is this show archived and if so where? -----Original Message----- From: David Dunphy Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 6:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Performing Arts Division Board Member Kevin ReevesGets Interviewed About His Latest Album And More On Tonight'sDjd Invasion Hi All! Join in tonight for The Djd Invasion show, making its debut tonight on Sky106 Radio starting at 7 PM eastern. We've got lots of fun music from the 90s, some great pop classic rock and more, and, at 8 PM eastern, we'll be interviewing musician Kevin Reeves about his latest album "Remember To Forget." Why the album name? What's the point of the album? What is he trying to get across with the music? All this and more will be asked, plus you'll get to hear some songs from it. All this and more will come your way tonight, and you can even interact. During the show, you can Skype me at daviddunphyradio Call me at 516 945 9165 Tweet me at ddunphyradio Or search my music library for a song you'd like tohear by going to http://www.daviddunphyradio.com/requests And to listen in tonight, at any time between 7 and 10PM eastern, go on over to http://www.daviddunphyradio.com where you can listen with your I Dveice or computer, and yes, our volume controls are now accessible! Give them a try! Tonight's show should be fun, informative, and entertaining, so I hope to see you all there! >From David Dunphy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From kobycox at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 03:43:59 2014 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:43:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <571D0374B0164295B3CFA30AD93AFD39@OwnerPC> Courtney, Can you please email me off-list? My email address Is as follows: kobycox at gmail.com. Thanks, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Courtney Stover Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 2:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster Antonio, I'll return with more thoughts later tonight when I've properly read the article, but I thought I'd answer your questions, because they interest me on a philosophical level. This is one of the ways that, frankly, my life experience simply hasn't jived with NFB philosophy. NFB philosophy emphasizes the importance of fast Braille reading, which I agree with; practice absolutely must be maintained. However, they also seem to strongly insist on Braille textbooks, which I don't get behind so much. Doing college-level reading; I have never had to consume material as quickly as I am right now. And, at least for me, reading textbooks in Braille is simply impractical, even if that Braille has shifted to electronic instead of hardcopy. I can read loads faster, even with something like RFBD and the Bookmarks function on my player to find important material again, than I ever thought about with Braille, particularly because I can quickly skim over superfluous material like map descriptions, vocabulary I already remember, or excerpts from outside documents that are meant to enhance the readings, which are always located at the end of the page, by simply going to the next one with the press of a button. With books read by a screen reader, particularly if they're from somewhere like Bookshare and have Daisy navigation, this is even more true. I think your point is very true, about Braille readers only reading at the pace of sighted ones. I went in recently to take a test in Braille (the one reason I keep my Braille skills sharp; my test performance plummets when I have to have a reader), and was noted as one of the fastest Braille readers the proctor had ever seen. However, someone was taking the same test with a screen reader, and was finished in half the time I was. So, learning to take tests with screen and human readers is something I wish to become proficient at. After all, I may have Braille accommodation now, but I doubt a workplace, such as a call center, that has a training process before proper work begins, is going to allow me to have a Braille display. Now, this says nothing about leisure activities, in which I vastly prefer Braille to audio, save in rare cases. If I'm going to read a book, I want to actually be reading it. Also, any proofing task would be made immensely more difficult without the use of Braille. I hope this at least provides an interesting perspective on your questions, as you certainly provided a very interesting article I'm looking forward to diving in to. Warmly, Courtney _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 05:07:57 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 00:07:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: <571D0374B0164295B3CFA30AD93AFD39@OwnerPC> References: <571D0374B0164295B3CFA30AD93AFD39@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hello all, I use a combination of braille and e-text materials to complete my work. I agree that I pay more attention and retain information better when I read in braille, but I just don't have the time during the day to devote myself to reading all my assignments in braille. I'm a sociology major at a catholic college so we do a lot of reading for philosophy and theology and I don't know about you guys, but these are not subjects that you can just skim over and read selected paragraphs. My average reading load is about a hundred pages a night and I am heavily involved with organizations on campus,so realistically, reading all my materials in braille isn't a viable option, even if I read about 100 words per minute. I think as college students, we need to find ways to maximize our time and figure out how to be efficient with our studying. In a perfect world, I would love to be able to just spend as much time as I need using braille because I'm a huge proponent of it, but if I want to keep up with my classes and stay on top of things, I have to listen to my books with jaws. Minhjaws On 2/24/14, Koby Cox wrote: > Courtney, > Can you please email me off-list? My email address Is as follows: > kobycox at gmail.com. > Thanks, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Courtney > Stover > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 2:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Antonio, > > I'll return with more thoughts later tonight when I've properly read > the article, but I thought I'd answer your questions, because they > interest me on a philosophical level. > > This is one of the ways that, frankly, my life experience simply > hasn't jived with NFB philosophy. NFB philosophy emphasizes the > importance of fast Braille reading, which I agree with; practice > absolutely must be maintained. However, they also seem to strongly > insist on Braille textbooks, which I don't get behind so much. Doing > college-level reading; I have never had to consume material as quickly > as I am right now. And, at least for me, reading textbooks in Braille > is simply impractical, even if that Braille has shifted to electronic > instead of hardcopy. I can read loads faster, even with something > like RFBD and the Bookmarks function on my player to find important > material again, than I ever thought about with Braille, particularly > because I can quickly skim over superfluous material like map > descriptions, vocabulary I already remember, or excerpts from outside > documents that are meant to enhance the readings, which are always > located at the end of the page, by simply going to the next one with > the press of a button. With books read by a screen reader, > particularly if they're from somewhere like Bookshare and have Daisy > navigation, this is even more true. > > I think your point is very true, about Braille readers only reading at > the pace of sighted ones. I went in recently to take a test in > Braille (the one reason I keep my Braille skills sharp; my test > performance plummets when I have to have a reader), and was noted as > one of the fastest Braille readers the proctor had ever seen. > However, someone was taking the same test with a screen reader, and > was finished in half the time I was. So, learning to take tests with > screen and human readers is something I wish to become proficient at. > After all, I may have Braille accommodation now, but I doubt a > workplace, such as a call center, that has a training process before > proper work begins, is going to allow me to have a Braille display. > > Now, this says nothing about leisure activities, in which I vastly > prefer Braille to audio, save in rare cases. If I'm going to read a > book, I want to actually be reading it. Also, any proofing task would > be made immensely more difficult without the use of Braille. > > I hope this at least provides an interesting perspective on your > questions, as you certainly provided a very interesting article I'm > looking forward to diving in to. > Warmly, > Courtney > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 05:19:37 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 00:19:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] sat prep In-Reply-To: <16622A61-15BB-4B18-A052-9EDA524A5B16@gmail.com> References: <530c04ed.21af3c0a.43b7.ffffb68c@mx.google.com> <16622A61-15BB-4B18-A052-9EDA524A5B16@gmail.com> Message-ID: College Board does offer free study materials, but from my experience, they're not that accessible or helpful when it comes to math. I know there are SAT prep books on bookshare so definitely check those out. Also, there are usually SAT prep programs in the community that you can get involved with and they usually pair you up with a personal tutor who can help you address your weaknesses. When I was taking the SAT's, I approached my math teacher and asked him if he would be willing to help me work through some issues I was having and he was really enthusiastic about staying after school to give me some extra help. I think this could be a viable option for you to pursue. Also see if there are any students in your school who have taken the SAT's and who would be willing to tutor you for free as part of community service; it's a great resume booster that doesn't take up that much time. Hope this helps and good luck studying. Minh On 2/24/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hey Sophie, > > Does your school offer SAT Prep classes? If so, I would suggest taking this > course for math--I will definitely do that next year. There is also study > material on the College Board's Web site. > > HTH, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 9:50 PM, Sophie Trist >> wrote: >> >> Hey NABSsters, >> >> I'm a junior in high school, and as the subject of my email suggests, I'm >> going to take the SAT in May. Have any of you taken the SAT? If so, what >> are some good tips for studying and preparing? I took the PSAT and got an >> awesome score in English, but math, my weakest subject, needs some serious >> work. Any tips will be seriously appreciated. >> >> Yours sincerely, >> Sophie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 13:16:49 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:16:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: References: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140224152507.03fb5cd8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007301cf322b$d846b9d0$88d42d70$@gmail.com> Screen reader; I have my jaws up to more than sixty usually. I may slow it down to 55 or so when I am reading; I hae pretty good comprehention because I read before class. Also, I use learning ally; I speed it up as much as I can. Reading your emails I have my jaws on 65 or so. If I am really searching for something on the internet, I may speed it up to 70 or even 80 for greater speed. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Principato Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 8:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster How many hours a night must you spend reading in order to keep up with and be successful in your classes? Are you using Braille or a screen reader? I'd love to hear everyone weigh in on this. If you don't read for class every night, how many hours a week? Jamie Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. You can > skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your fingers > down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the text > is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section > heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. > Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the time. > I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy ratio. > That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as little time > as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a minute > and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half what > was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully reading in > Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you read, > and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right before the > test, is valuable. > I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and I've > often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and having > less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow down > or I start missing stuff. > > Arielle > >> On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> Good afternoon, Sophie, >> >> Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, >> couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. >> Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was >> a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, >> the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the >> help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself >> nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car >> which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute >> tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to >> perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing >> braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe >> dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with >> neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, >> anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! >> But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, >> during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille >> Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, >> I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as >> talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you >> find yourself in this way. >> for today, Car >> 408-209-3239 >> >> Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I >> actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in >> high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college >> students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format >> with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find >> command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up >> something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you >> wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more >> when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my >> fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm >> listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is >> more important for some classes than others, but reading braille >> tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's >> underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. >> These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! >> >>> Sincerely, >>> Sophie >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Courtney Stover >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster >>> >>> Antonio, >>> >>> I'll return with more thoughts later tonight when I've properly read >>> the article, but I thought I'd answer your questions, because they >>> interest me on a philosophical level. >>> >>> This is one of the ways that, frankly, my life experience simply >>> hasn't jived with NFB philosophy. NFB philosophy emphasizes the >>> importance of fast Braille reading, which I agree with; practice >>> absolutely must be maintained. However, they also seem to strongly >>> insist on Braille textbooks, which I don't get behind so much. >>> Doing >>> college-level reading; I have never had to consume material as >>> quickly as I am right now. And, at least for me, reading textbooks >>> in Braille is simply impractical, even if that Braille has shifted >>> to electronic instead of hardcopy. I can read loads faster, even >>> with something like RFBD and the Bookmarks function on my player to >>> find important material again, than I ever thought about with >>> Braille, particularly because I can quickly skim over superfluous >>> material like map descriptions, vocabulary I already remember, or >>> excerpts from outside documents that are meant to enhance the >>> readings, which are always located at the end of the page, by simply >>> going to the next one with the press of a button. With books read >>> by a screen reader, particularly if they're from somewhere like >>> Bookshare and have Daisy navigation, this is even more true. >>> >>> I think your point is very true, about Braille readers only reading >>> at the pace of sighted ones. I went in recently to take a test in >>> Braille (the one reason I keep my Braille skills sharp; my test >>> performance plummets when I have to have a reader), and was noted as >>> one of the fastest Braille readers the proctor had ever seen. >>> However, someone was taking the same test with a screen reader, and >>> was finished in half the time I was. So, learning to take tests >>> with screen and human readers is something I wish to become proficient at. >>> After all, I may have Braille accommodation now, but I doubt a >>> workplace, such as a call center, that has a training process before >>> proper work begins, is going to allow me to have a Braille display. >>> >>> Now, this says nothing about leisure activities, in which I vastly >>> prefer Braille to audio, save in rare cases. If I'm going to read a >>> book, I want to actually be reading it. Also, any proofing task >>> would be made immensely more difficult without the use of Braille. >>> >>> I hope this at least provides an interesting perspective on your >>> questions, as you certainly provided a very interesting article I'm >>> looking forward to diving in to. >>> Warmly, >>> Courtney >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comca >>> st.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail >> .com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gma > il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From sgermano at asu.edu Tue Feb 25 13:28:04 2014 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 06:28:04 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: <007301cf322b$d846b9d0$88d42d70$@gmail.com> References: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140224152507.03fb5cd8@comcast.net> <007301cf322b$d846b9d0$88d42d70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am not a braille reader but use large print, cctv, and electronic text with screen magnifier. I tried recoded books. They were on tape when i was first in college. I could not do it. I would just zone out if listening to texts. I have considered learning JAWs and voiceover to add an option particularly for reading on the bus. On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, justin williams wrote: > Screen reader; I have my jaws up to more than sixty usually. I may slow it > down to 55 or so when I am reading; I hae pretty good comprehention because > I read before class. Also, I use learning ally; I speed it up as much as I > can. Reading your emails I have my jaws on 65 or so. If I am really > searching for something on the internet, I may speed it up to 70 or even 80 > for greater speed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org ] On Behalf > Of Jamie > Principato > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 8:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > How many hours a night must you spend reading in order to keep up with and > be successful in your classes? Are you using Braille or a screen reader? > I'd > love to hear everyone weigh in on this. If you don't read for class every > night, how many hours a week? > > Jamie > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Arielle Silverman > wrote: > > > > I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. You can > > skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your fingers > > down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the text > > is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section > > heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. > > Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the time. > > I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy ratio. > > That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as little time > > as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a minute > > and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half what > > was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully reading in > > Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you read, > > and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right before the > > test, is valuable. > > I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and I've > > often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and having > > less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow down > > or I start missing stuff. > > > > Arielle > > > >> On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > >> Good afternoon, Sophie, > >> > >> Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, > >> couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. > >> Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was > >> a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, > >> the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the > >> help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself > >> nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car > >> which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute > >> tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to > >> perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing > >> braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe > >> dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with > >> neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, > >> anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! > >> But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, > >> during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille > >> Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, > >> I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as > >> talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you > >> find yourself in this way. > >> for today, Car > >> 408-209-3239 > >> > >> Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I > >> actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in > >> high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college > >> students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format > >> with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find > >> command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up > >> something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you > >> wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more > >> when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my > >> fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm > >> listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is > >> more important for some classes than others, but reading braille > >> tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's > >> underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. > >> These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! > >> > >>> Sincer>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail > >> .com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gma > > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 15:47:21 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:47:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about becoming a TVI Message-ID: Hi all, I know someone who is interested in becoming a Teacher of the Visually Impaired, but he is concerned about being able to get into a TVI masters program with the degree he has in his undergrad. He is finishing up requirements for earning a B.S in Psychology. I know that most TVIs come in after earning special education or intervention specialist degrees, but I would think having a B.S in psychology wouldn't be terribly far-fetched since those skills would definitely be useful. Is this possible? I intend to go on the list for professionals in this field and ask there as well, but I'm just trying to use all the resources I have. Any knowledge on this subject would be appreciated. -- Kaiti From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 15:51:13 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:51:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about becoming a TVI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00b301cf3241$69b3d550$3d1b7ff0$@gmail.com> Yes. There is nothing that should keep him out unless the university is requiring certain classes. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:47 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Question about becoming a TVI Hi all, I know someone who is interested in becoming a Teacher of the Visually Impaired, but he is concerned about being able to get into a TVI masters program with the degree he has in his undergrad. He is finishing up requirements for earning a B.S in Psychology. I know that most TVIs come in after earning special education or intervention specialist degrees, but I would think having a B.S in psychology wouldn't be terribly far-fetched since those skills would definitely be useful. Is this possible? I intend to go on the list for professionals in this field and ask there as well, but I'm just trying to use all the resources I have. Any knowledge on this subject would be appreciated. -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 16:07:15 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:07:15 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about becoming a TVI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <528DF136-2458-46A0-8A46-B5A75944B7AD@gmail.com> Hi Kaiti, It is absolutely possible for your friend to go into the blindness education field and be a teacher a blind students after obtaining his psychology bachelors. I know people who have gone in to that field of study having different bachelors degrees. My understanding is that it isn't so much what bachelors degree you have so long as you actually have one. Darian This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:47 AM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > > Hi all, > > I know someone who is interested in becoming a Teacher of the Visually > Impaired, but he is concerned about being able to get into a TVI > masters program with the degree he has in his undergrad. He is > finishing up requirements for earning a B.S in Psychology. I know > that most TVIs come in after earning special education or intervention > specialist degrees, but I would think having a B.S in psychology > wouldn't be terribly far-fetched since those skills would definitely > be useful. > > Is this possible? I intend to go on the list for professionals in > this field and ask there as well, but I'm just trying to use all the > resources I have. Any knowledge on this subject would be appreciated. > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From johnniejduran at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 16:30:14 2014 From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:30:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue Message-ID: Hey NABS Members, I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? JJ -- Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran 8th Grade Student O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran Skype: jj.duran13 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 16:36:07 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:36:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: <007301cf322b$d846b9d0$88d42d70$@gmail.com> References: <530bca63.02103c0a.3003.7198@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140224152507.03fb5cd8@comcast.net> <007301cf322b$d846b9d0$88d42d70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DCAB9C68CC348D6913F51E912835612@Helga> Hi all, this is Helga! I actually use both JAWS and Braille! But I actually like braille more than just listening to audio, since I comprehend more the college material in Braille! But if I have the Braille copy in my hand, and I have the text of it on the computer I learn the material faster! For instance, for my Government class I need to learn 19 steps in how a Bill becomes a Law. So in that case I use JAWS and the braille copy of the steps. Thanks so much for listening to me! God bless! -----Original Message----- From: justin williams Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:16 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster Screen reader; I have my jaws up to more than sixty usually. I may slow it down to 55 or so when I am reading; I hae pretty good comprehention because I read before class. Also, I use learning ally; I speed it up as much as I can. Reading your emails I have my jaws on 65 or so. If I am really searching for something on the internet, I may speed it up to 70 or even 80 for greater speed. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Principato Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 8:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster How many hours a night must you spend reading in order to keep up with and be successful in your classes? Are you using Braille or a screen reader? I'd love to hear everyone weigh in on this. If you don't read for class every night, how many hours a week? Jamie Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. You can > skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your fingers > down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the text > is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section > heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. > Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the time. > I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy ratio. > That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as little time > as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a minute > and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half what > was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully reading in > Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you read, > and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right before the > test, is valuable. > I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and I've > often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and having > less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow down > or I start missing stuff. > > Arielle > >> On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> Good afternoon, Sophie, >> >> Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, >> couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. >> Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was >> a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, >> the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the >> help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself >> nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car >> which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute >> tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to >> perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing >> braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe >> dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with >> neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, >> anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! >> But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, >> during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille >> Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, >> I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as >> talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you >> find yourself in this way. >> for today, Car >> 408-209-3239 >> >> Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I >> actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in >> high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college >> students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format >> with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find >> command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up >> something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you >> wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more >> when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my >> fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm >> listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is >> more important for some classes than others, but reading braille >> tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's >> underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. >> These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! >> >>> Sincerely, >>> Sophie >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Courtney Stover >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster >>> >>> Antonio, >>> >>> I'll return with more thoughts later tonight when I've properly read >>> the article, but I thought I'd answer your questions, because they >>> interest me on a philosophical level. >>> >>> This is one of the ways that, frankly, my life experience simply >>> hasn't jived with NFB philosophy. NFB philosophy emphasizes the >>> importance of fast Braille reading, which I agree with; practice >>> absolutely must be maintained. However, they also seem to strongly >>> insist on Braille textbooks, which I don't get behind so much. >>> Doing >>> college-level reading; I have never had to consume material as >>> quickly as I am right now. And, at least for me, reading textbooks >>> in Braille is simply impractical, even if that Braille has shifted >>> to electronic instead of hardcopy. I can read loads faster, even >>> with something like RFBD and the Bookmarks function on my player to >>> find important material again, than I ever thought about with >>> Braille, particularly because I can quickly skim over superfluous >>> material like map descriptions, vocabulary I already remember, or >>> excerpts from outside documents that are meant to enhance the >>> readings, which are always located at the end of the page, by simply >>> going to the next one with the press of a button. With books read >>> by a screen reader, particularly if they're from somewhere like >>> Bookshare and have Daisy navigation, this is even more true. >>> >>> I think your point is very true, about Braille readers only reading >>> at the pace of sighted ones. I went in recently to take a test in >>> Braille (the one reason I keep my Braille skills sharp; my test >>> performance plummets when I have to have a reader), and was noted as >>> one of the fastest Braille readers the proctor had ever seen. >>> However, someone was taking the same test with a screen reader, and >>> was finished in half the time I was. So, learning to take tests >>> with screen and human readers is something I wish to become proficient at. >>> After all, I may have Braille accommodation now, but I doubt a >>> workplace, such as a call center, that has a training process before >>> proper work begins, is going to allow me to have a Braille display. >>> >>> Now, this says nothing about leisure activities, in which I vastly >>> prefer Braille to audio, save in rare cases. If I'm going to read a >>> book, I want to actually be reading it. Also, any proofing task >>> would be made immensely more difficult without the use of Braille. >>> >>> I hope this at least provides an interesting perspective on your >>> questions, as you certainly provided a very interesting article I'm >>> looking forward to diving in to. >>> Warmly, >>> Courtney >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comca >>> st.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail >> .com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gma > il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 16:36:53 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:36:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000e01cf3247$caf20840$60d618c0$@gmail.com> My opinion is that it is not in your best interest to concern yourself with what anyone else is doing. Your TBI is doing her job, or someone elses job. But unless you feel as if you did not get the help you needed, then it does not matter what your TBI is doing. Do your thing, no one elses. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of johnnie Jean duran Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue Hey NABS Members, I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? JJ -- Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran 8th Grade Student O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran Skype: jj.duran13 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 16:41:09 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:41:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: <000e01cf3247$caf20840$60d618c0$@gmail.com> References: <000e01cf3247$caf20840$60d618c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I agree. As long as you're getting the assistance you need from her, it really doesn't matter if she decides to help other students or not. If she were choosing to help them over helping you, that would not be okay, but if you're doing your work and are fine with the math, and someone else is struggling, it makes sense for her to help out. Remember, most TVIs have a pretty significant background in special education. They're teachers at heart, it's what they love to do. Their first duty is to you, the blind student, but it is okay for them to help other students if they can and it doesn't interfere with your studies. On 2/25/14, justin williams wrote: > My opinion is that it is not in your best interest to concern yourself with > what anyone else is doing. Your TBI is doing her job, or someone elses > job. > But unless you feel as if you did not get the help you needed, then it does > not matter what your TBI is doing. Do your thing, no one elses. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of johnnie Jean > duran > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue > > Hey NABS Members, > I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one question. My > TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my math classroom, > and > in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not technically her job. What > is > your opinion on this situation? > JJ > > -- > Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > 8th Grade Student > O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, United > States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), > The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro > Chapter of the NFB. > Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > Skype: jj.duran13 > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 > Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 16:48:34 2014 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:48:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first ask her to stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran wrote: > > Hey NABS Members, > I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one > question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my > math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not > technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? > JJ > > -- > Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > 8th Grade Student > O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School > Lakewood, Colorado, United States > Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), > The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro > Chapter of the NFB. > Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > Skype: jj.duran13 > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 > Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 16:50:06 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan L. Silveira) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:50:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about becoming a TVI In-Reply-To: <528DF136-2458-46A0-8A46-B5A75944B7AD@gmail.com> References: <528DF136-2458-46A0-8A46-B5A75944B7AD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62E35086-B602-499A-96A8-D93D4D421858@gmail.com> Hi Kaiti, I have seen many people go into the TVI field with psychology degrees, as well as several other bachelors degrees. It is definitely possible. Yes, most TV eyes do have a bachelors degree in education or somesuch fields, but anything really will do. One can get a masters in anything at all no matter what the bachelors. As long as they take the required classes, it's no problem. Ryan Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Darian wrote: > > Hi Kaiti, > It is absolutely possible for your friend to go into the blindness education field and be a teacher a blind students after obtaining his psychology bachelors. > I know people who have gone in to that field of study having different bachelors degrees. My understanding is that it isn't so much what bachelors degree you have so long as you actually have one. > Darian > > This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:47 AM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I know someone who is interested in becoming a Teacher of the Visually >> Impaired, but he is concerned about being able to get into a TVI >> masters program with the degree he has in his undergrad. He is >> finishing up requirements for earning a B.S in Psychology. I know >> that most TVIs come in after earning special education or intervention >> specialist degrees, but I would think having a B.S in psychology >> wouldn't be terribly far-fetched since those skills would definitely >> be useful. >> >> Is this possible? I intend to go on the list for professionals in >> this field and ask there as well, but I'm just trying to use all the >> resources I have. Any knowledge on this subject would be appreciated. >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 17:13:08 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:13:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about becoming a TVI In-Reply-To: <62E35086-B602-499A-96A8-D93D4D421858@gmail.com> References: <528DF136-2458-46A0-8A46-B5A75944B7AD@gmail.com> <62E35086-B602-499A-96A8-D93D4D421858@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Ryan, this is Helga! I have been trying to contact you off list, but I haven't heard from you. Did you receive the last email that I sent you? Just wondering! Could you email me off list! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) P.S. So Sorry, sorry, guys for talking this off topic subject! Sorry! again! ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:50 AM, "Ryan L. Silveira" wrote: > > Hi Kaiti, > I have seen many people go into the TVI field with psychology degrees, as well as several other bachelors degrees. It is definitely possible. Yes, most TV eyes do have a bachelors degree in education or somesuch fields, but anything really will do. One can get a masters in anything at all no matter what the bachelors. As long as they take the required classes, it's no problem. > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Darian wrote: >> >> Hi Kaiti, >> It is absolutely possible for your friend to go into the blindness education field and be a teacher a blind students after obtaining his psychology bachelors. >> I know people who have gone in to that field of study having different bachelors degrees. My understanding is that it isn't so much what bachelors degree you have so long as you actually have one. >> Darian >> >> This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. >> >>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:47 AM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I know someone who is interested in becoming a Teacher of the Visually >>> Impaired, but he is concerned about being able to get into a TVI >>> masters program with the degree he has in his undergrad. He is >>> finishing up requirements for earning a B.S in Psychology. I know >>> that most TVIs come in after earning special education or intervention >>> specialist degrees, but I would think having a B.S in psychology >>> wouldn't be terribly far-fetched since those skills would definitely >>> be useful. >>> >>> Is this possible? I intend to go on the list for professionals in >>> this field and ask there as well, but I'm just trying to use all the >>> resources I have. Any knowledge on this subject would be appreciated. >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 17:22:41 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:22:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Um, I don't see why this is an issue. As long as she is working with you and giving you the assistance that you need, then it really doesn't matter whether or not she helps other students. My TVI throughout middle school and high school would help my classmates during math because she was a math major in college and that was what she loved to do. When I was working on my own problems and didn't really need her to be with me constantly, she would just give a hand to a student nearby who was struggling. On 2/25/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first ask her to > stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran >> wrote: >> >> Hey NABS Members, >> I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one >> question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my >> math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not >> technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? >> JJ >> >> -- >> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >> 8th Grade Student >> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School >> Lakewood, Colorado, United States >> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), >> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro >> Chapter of the NFB. >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >> Skype: jj.duran13 >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 >> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 17:54:22 2014 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:54:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <603385D4-8278-4457-B46E-E3ED236C6BB3@gmail.com> I agree with the majority here. As long as you're getting the help you need what's the problem? Thinking back to my junior high and high school math classes there were plenty of times when I was just working on my own problems and didn't really need my TVI to do anything for a few minutes. I was perfectly fine with her helping other students during that time, To keep herself occupied if nothing else. There were times I relied on her and she was great about being there when I needed it… that with her job and she did it. Beyond that, it didn't really matter to me how she chose to spend the time when I didn't need her… That's none of my business. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:22 AM, minh ha wrote: > > Um, I don't see why this is an issue. As long as she is working with > you and giving you the assistance that you need, then it really > doesn't matter whether or not she helps other students. My TVI > throughout middle school and high school would help my classmates > during math because she was a math major in college and that was what > she loved to do. When I was working on my own problems and didn't > really need her to be with me constantly, she would just give a hand > to a student nearby who was struggling. > > >> On 2/25/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >> I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first ask her to >> stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hey NABS Members, >>> I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one >>> question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my >>> math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not >>> technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? >>> JJ >>> >>> -- >>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >>> 8th Grade Student >>> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School >>> Lakewood, Colorado, United States >>> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), >>> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro >>> Chapter of the NFB. >>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >>> Skype: jj.duran13 >>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 >>> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 18:31:22 2014 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:31:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9CC6F237-7C7F-4B1C-832F-5257B516C43A@gmail.com> I'm not sure I understand the problem. Is your TVI making you wait for assistance when you need it? Is she neglecting to help you when you ask for it? Is she neglecting her responsibility to you, resulting in decreased accessibility to the math class? If so, it's a problem that you should address with her. If not, I don't see why it bothers you. Did your family hire her as a private aide, or is she an employee of the school you attend? If she works for the school, and if all your needs are met, wouldn't it be wasteful for her to just sit and watch you work independently? If she isn't doing anything for you at the time, and other students need assistance, why shouldn't she be a good employee and take the initiative to pick up the slack in the classroom? Part of being a good employee is seeing work that needs to be done and doing it, whether you've been told to or not, and not just wasting time sitting and doing nothing. So as long as you are having your needs met first and foremost, what's wrong with her helping other students? Jamie Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran wrote: > > Hey NABS Members, > I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one > question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my > math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not > technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? > JJ > > -- > Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > 8th Grade Student > O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School > Lakewood, Colorado, United States > Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), > The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro > Chapter of the NFB. > Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > Skype: jj.duran13 > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 > Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Tue Feb 25 19:48:57 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:48:57 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225114701.01c1b360@comcast.net> Goood moring, Aleeha, I tend to echo Minh, if TVI is doing her job I.E helping you, why does it matter if she lends her expertese to helping others? Besides, don't you wanna see everyone in a class succeed? I would think you would be glad to see this? for today, CarAt 09:22 AM 2/25/2014, minh ha wrote: >Um, I don't see why this is an issue. As long as she is working with >you and giving you the assistance that you need, then it really >doesn't matter whether or not she helps other students. My TVI >throughout middle school and high school would help my classmates >during math because she was a math major in college and that was what >she loved to do. When I was working on my own problems and didn't >really need her to be with me constantly, she would just give a hand >to a student nearby who was struggling. > > >On 2/25/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > > I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first ask her to > > stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hey NABS Members, > >> I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one > >> question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my > >> math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not > >> technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? > >> JJ > >> > >> -- > >> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > >> 8th Grade Student > >> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School > >> Lakewood, Colorado, United States > >> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), > >> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro > >> Chapter of the NFB. > >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > >> Skype: jj.duran13 > >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 > >> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > > > > >-- >"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 20:07:27 2014 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:07:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225114701.01c1b360@comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225114701.01c1b360@comcast.net> Message-ID: <05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com> I would, but i find that this distracts from the TBI's real job. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > Goood moring, Aleeha, > > I tend to echo Minh, if TVI is doing her job I.E helping you, why does it matter if she lends her expertese to helping others? Besides, don't you wanna see everyone in a class succeed? I would think you would be glad to see this? > for today, CarAt 09:22 AM 2/25/2014, minh ha wrote: >> Um, I don't see why this is an issue. As long as she is working with >> you and giving you the assistance that you need, then it really >> doesn't matter whether or not she helps other students. My TVI >> throughout middle school and high school would help my classmates >> during math because she was a math major in college and that was what >> she loved to do. When I was working on my own problems and didn't >> really need her to be with me constantly, she would just give a hand >> to a student nearby who was struggling. >> >> >> On 2/25/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >> > I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first ask her to >> > stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey NABS Members, >> >> I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one >> >> question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my >> >> math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not >> >> technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? >> >> JJ >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >> >> 8th Grade Student >> >> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School >> >> Lakewood, Colorado, United States >> >> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), >> >> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro >> >> Chapter of the NFB. >> >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >> >> Skype: jj.duran13 >> >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 >> >> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 20:15:21 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:15:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: <05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225114701.01c1b360@comcast.net> <05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003201cf3266$4fc83e90$ef58bbb0$@gmail.com> So you think the TBI should just be sitting around doing nothing if you or a blind student does not need help with blindness related issues? Or help me understand how this is supposed to work. The TBI is going above and beyond the call of duty, something that in a professional setting, a boss would do anything to have an employee do. It has not been said as of yet that the TBI is failing to perform the essential functions of the job. Once again, is she not performing her essential functions? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:07 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue I would, but i find that this distracts from the TBI's real job. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > Goood moring, Aleeha, > > I tend to echo Minh, if TVI is doing her job I.E helping you, why does it matter if she lends her expertese to helping others? Besides, don't you wanna see everyone in a class succeed? I would think you would be glad to see this? > for today, CarAt 09:22 AM 2/25/2014, minh ha wrote: >> Um, I don't see why this is an issue. As long as she is working with >> you and giving you the assistance that you need, then it really >> doesn't matter whether or not she helps other students. My TVI >> throughout middle school and high school would help my classmates >> during math because she was a math major in college and that was what >> she loved to do. When I was working on my own problems and didn't >> really need her to be with me constantly, she would just give a hand >> to a student nearby who was struggling. >> >> >> On 2/25/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >> > I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first ask >> > her to stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey NABS Members, >> >> I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one >> >> question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in >> >> my math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's >> >> not technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? >> >> JJ >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >> >> 8th Grade Student >> >> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, >> >> United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of >> >> Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students >> >> (CABS), and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. >> >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >> >> Skype: jj.duran13 >> >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 >> >> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl19 >> >> 93%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gm >> > ail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcas >> t.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4 > 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 20:16:50 2014 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:16:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: <05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225114701.01c1b360@comcast.net> <05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com> Message-ID: But what if a student is working independently and the TVI would otherwise just be sitting there reading the paper? Why waste resources? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > > I would, but i find that this distracts from the TBI's real job. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> >> Goood moring, Aleeha, >> >> I tend to echo Minh, if TVI is doing her job I.E helping you, why does it matter if she lends her expertese to helping others? Besides, don't you wanna see everyone in a class succeed? I would think you would be glad to see this? >> for today, CarAt 09:22 AM 2/25/2014, minh ha wrote: >>> Um, I don't see why this is an issue. As long as she is working with >>> you and giving you the assistance that you need, then it really >>> doesn't matter whether or not she helps other students. My TVI >>> throughout middle school and high school would help my classmates >>> during math because she was a math major in college and that was what >>> she loved to do. When I was working on my own problems and didn't >>> really need her to be with me constantly, she would just give a hand >>> to a student nearby who was struggling. >>> >>> >>>> On 2/25/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>>> I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first ask her to >>>> stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey NABS Members, >>>>> I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one >>>>> question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my >>>>> math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not >>>>> technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? >>>>> JJ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >>>>> 8th Grade Student >>>>> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School >>>>> Lakewood, Colorado, United States >>>>> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), >>>>> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro >>>>> Chapter of the NFB. >>>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >>>>> Skype: jj.duran13 >>>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 >>>>> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Tue Feb 25 20:18:12 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:18:12 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: <05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225114701.01c1b360@comcast.net> <05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225121101.05233588@comcast.net> Hi, Aleeha, And how do you know what distracts the teacher from you? Again, is she not meeting your needs? I would suggest granting her the perogative of deciding when she feels "destracted." Frankly, this sounds like an awfully controlling situation. Do you think she feels completely controled and dominated by your alleged needs? Never forget to imagine your roles are reversed, thqat you'r the teacher and you are charged with some little terror. Hopefully, that lends some perspective! ! for today, Car 12:07 PM 2/25/2014, you wrote: >I would, but i find that this distracts from the TBI's real job. > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > > > Goood moring, Aleeha, > > > > I tend to echo Minh, if TVI is doing her job I.E helping you, why > does it matter if she lends her expertese to helping others? > Besides, don't you wanna see everyone in a class succeed? I would > think you would be glad to see this? > > for today, CarAt 09:22 AM 2/25/2014, minh ha wrote: > >> Um, I don't see why this is an issue. As long as she is working with > >> you and giving you the assistance that you need, then it really > >> doesn't matter whether or not she helps other students. My TVI > >> throughout middle school and high school would help my classmates > >> during math because she was a math major in college and that was what > >> she loved to do. When I was working on my own problems and didn't > >> really need her to be with me constantly, she would just give a hand > >> to a student nearby who was struggling. > >> > >> > >> On 2/25/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > >> > I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first > ask her to > >> > stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > >> >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran > > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hey NABS Members, > >> >> I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one > >> >> question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my > >> >> math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not > >> >> technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? > >> >> JJ > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > >> >> 8th Grade Student > >> >> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School > >> >> Lakewood, Colorado, United States > >> >> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), > >> >> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro > >> >> Chapter of the NFB. > >> >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > >> >> Skype: jj.duran13 > >> >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 > >> >> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> nabs-l mailing list > >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> nabs-l: > >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From malhajamy at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 20:18:35 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:18:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster Message-ID: <530cfad4.65668c0a.90c6.087d@mx.google.com> Hi Helga, me, personally, I like audio more. Braille, for me, is rather slow. I have my BrailleNote sped up to the maximum speed, rate 16. I just simply like audio more than braille. ----- Original Message ----- From: wrote: Good afternoon, Sophie, Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you find yourself in this way. for today, Car 408-209-3239 Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is more important for some classes than others, but reading braille tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! Sincerely, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Courtney Stover References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225122357.0526f140@comcast.net> Good morning, JJ, Again, why are people thinking in terms of disciplinary action in this? That seems toxic when, TVI can help someone, can't she? Enough with talk of discipline! for today, Car 408-209-3239 At 08:48 AM 2/25/2014, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first ask >her to stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran > wrote: > > > > Hey NABS Members, > > I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one > > question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my > > math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not > > technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? > > JJ > > > > -- > > Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > > 8th Grade Student > > O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School > > Lakewood, Colorado, United States > > Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), > > The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro > > Chapter of the NFB. > > Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > > Skype: jj.duran13 > > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 > > Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 20:25:45 2014 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:25:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225121101.05233588@comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225114701.01c1b360@comcast.net> <05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140225121101.05233588@comcast.net> Message-ID: Let's remember that JJ brought this issue up and only he can tell us if his TVI is failing to meet his blindness related needs. Aleeha simply agreed with him. Some of you are asking her questions as if we are talking about her TVI in particular. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > Hi, Aleeha, > > And how do you know what distracts the teacher from you? > Again, is she not meeting your needs? I would suggest granting her the perogative of deciding when she feels "destracted." Frankly, this sounds like an awfully controlling situation. Do you think she feels completely controled and dominated by your alleged needs? > Never forget to imagine your roles are reversed, thqat you'r the teacher and you are charged with some little terror. Hopefully, that lends some perspective! > ! > for today, Car > > 12:07 PM 2/25/2014, you wrote: >> I would, but i find that this distracts from the TBI's real job. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> > >> > Goood moring, Aleeha, >> > >> > I tend to echo Minh, if TVI is doing her job I.E helping you, why does it matter if she lends her expertese to helping others? Besides, don't you wanna see everyone in a class succeed? I would think you would be glad to see this? >> > for today, CarAt 09:22 AM 2/25/2014, minh ha wrote: >> >> Um, I don't see why this is an issue. As long as she is working with >> >> you and giving you the assistance that you need, then it really >> >> doesn't matter whether or not she helps other students. My TVI >> >> throughout middle school and high school would help my classmates >> >> during math because she was a math major in college and that was what >> >> she loved to do. When I was working on my own problems and didn't >> >> really need her to be with me constantly, she would just give a hand >> >> to a student nearby who was struggling. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2/25/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >> >> > I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first ask her to >> >> > stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my iPhone >> >> > >> >> >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hey NABS Members, >> >> >> I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one >> >> >> question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my >> >> >> math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not >> >> >> technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? >> >> >> JJ >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >> >> >> 8th Grade Student >> >> >> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School >> >> >> Lakewood, Colorado, United States >> >> >> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), >> >> >> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro >> >> >> Chapter of the NFB. >> >> >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >> >> >> Skype: jj.duran13 >> >> >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 >> >> >> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 20:29:58 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:29:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225114701.01c1b360@comcast.net> <05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140225121101.05233588@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003301cf3268$5a3d7b40$0eb871c0$@gmail.com> Yeah, that is why I didn't call her name, and tried to keep my response more 3rd personish. Thanks for the reminder though. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Principato Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue Let's remember that JJ brought this issue up and only he can tell us if his TVI is failing to meet his blindness related needs. Aleeha simply agreed with him. Some of you are asking her questions as if we are talking about her TVI in particular. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > Hi, Aleeha, > > And how do you know what distracts the teacher from you? > Again, is she not meeting your needs? I would suggest granting her the perogative of deciding when she feels "destracted." Frankly, this sounds like an awfully controlling situation. Do you think she feels completely controled and dominated by your alleged needs? > Never forget to imagine your roles are reversed, thqat you'r the teacher and you are charged with some little terror. Hopefully, that lends some perspective! > ! > for today, Car > > 12:07 PM 2/25/2014, you wrote: >> I would, but i find that this distracts from the TBI's real job. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> > >> > Goood moring, Aleeha, >> > >> > I tend to echo Minh, if TVI is doing her job I.E helping you, why does it matter if she lends her expertese to helping others? Besides, don't you wanna see everyone in a class succeed? I would think you would be glad to see this? >> > for today, CarAt 09:22 AM 2/25/2014, minh ha wrote: >> >> Um, I don't see why this is an issue. As long as she is working >> >> with you and giving you the assistance that you need, then it >> >> really doesn't matter whether or not she helps other students. My >> >> TVI throughout middle school and high school would help my >> >> classmates during math because she was a math major in college and >> >> that was what she loved to do. When I was working on my own >> >> problems and didn't really need her to be with me constantly, she >> >> would just give a hand to a student nearby who was struggling. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2/25/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >> >> > I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first >> >> > ask her to stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. >> >> > >> >> > Sent from my iPhone >> >> > >> >> >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hey NABS Members, >> >> >> I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one >> >> >> question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students >> >> >> in my math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it >> >> >> because it's not technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? >> >> >> JJ >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >> >> >> 8th Grade Student >> >> >> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, >> >> >> Colorado, United States Member Of The National Federation Of >> >> >> The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of >> >> >> Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. >> >> >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >> >> >> Skype: jj.duran13 >> >> >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 >> >> >> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> >> info for >> >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgir >> >> >> l1993%40gmail.com >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >> > info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%4 >> >> > 0gmail.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >> >> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. 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I don't mind her helping other students, however, when I need help, I would like it before she goes to assist other students. On 2/25/14, Jamie Principato wrote: > Let's remember that JJ brought this issue up and only he can tell us if his > TVI is failing to meet his blindness related needs. Aleeha simply agreed > with him. Some of you are asking her questions as if we are talking about > her TVI in particular. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Carly Mihalakis >> wrote: >> >> Hi, Aleeha, >> >> And how do you know what distracts the teacher from you? >> Again, is she not meeting your needs? I would suggest granting her the >> perogative of deciding when she feels "destracted." Frankly, this sounds >> like an awfully controlling situation. Do you think she feels completely >> controled and dominated by your alleged needs? >> Never forget to imagine your roles are reversed, thqat you'r the teacher >> and you are charged with some little terror. Hopefully, that lends some >> perspective! >> ! >> for today, Car >> >> 12:07 PM 2/25/2014, you wrote: >>> I would, but i find that this distracts from the TBI's real job. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > Goood moring, Aleeha, >>> > >>> > I tend to echo Minh, if TVI is doing her job I.E helping you, why does >>> > it matter if she lends her expertese to helping others? Besides, don't >>> > you wanna see everyone in a class succeed? I would think you would be >>> > glad to see this? >>> > for today, CarAt 09:22 AM 2/25/2014, minh ha wrote: >>> >> Um, I don't see why this is an issue. As long as she is working with >>> >> you and giving you the assistance that you need, then it really >>> >> doesn't matter whether or not she helps other students. My TVI >>> >> throughout middle school and high school would help my classmates >>> >> during math because she was a math major in college and that was what >>> >> she loved to do. When I was working on my own problems and didn't >>> >> really need her to be with me constantly, she would just give a hand >>> >> to a student nearby who was struggling. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 2/25/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>> >> > I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first ask >>> >> > her to >>> >> > stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. >>> >> > >>> >> > Sent from my iPhone >>> >> > >>> >> >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran >>> >> >> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Hey NABS Members, >>> >> >> I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one >>> >> >> question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in >>> >> >> my >>> >> >> math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's >>> >> >> not >>> >> >> technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? >>> >> >> JJ >>> >> >> >>> >> >> -- >>> >> >> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >>> >> >> 8th Grade Student >>> >> >> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School >>> >> >> Lakewood, Colorado, United States >>> >> >> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado >>> >> >> (NFBCO), >>> >> >> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North >>> >> >> Metro >>> >> >> Chapter of the NFB. >>> >> >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >>> >> >> Skype: jj.duran13 >>> >> >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 >>> >> >> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) >>> >> >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> >> for >>> >> >> nabs-l: >>> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > nabs-l mailing list >>> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> > for >>> >> > nabs-l: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>> >> dusty >>> >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/johnniejduran%40gmail.com > -- Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran 8th Grade Student O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran Skype: jj.duran13 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 20:35:59 2014 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:35:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225114701.01c1b360@comcast.net> <05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140225121101.05233588@comcast.net> Message-ID: There you go. That is very reasonable. As I've said, helping other students is fine if you're working independently and she has nothing else to do, but if she's in that class to be your aide, you need to be her first priority and shouldn't have to wait in line behind students who are not blind and in need of assistance the regular math teacher can't provide. I would suggest telling her just that and see how it goes. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:31 PM, johnnie Jean duran wrote: > > No, > The TVI will neglect me, and if her assistance is needed, she is not > there. I don't mind her helping other students, however, when I need > help, I would like it before she goes to assist other students. > >> On 2/25/14, Jamie Principato wrote: >> Let's remember that JJ brought this issue up and only he can tell us if his >> TVI is failing to meet his blindness related needs. Aleeha simply agreed >> with him. Some of you are asking her questions as if we are talking about >> her TVI in particular. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Aleeha, >>> >>> And how do you know what distracts the teacher from you? >>> Again, is she not meeting your needs? I would suggest granting her the >>> perogative of deciding when she feels "destracted." Frankly, this sounds >>> like an awfully controlling situation. Do you think she feels completely >>> controled and dominated by your alleged needs? >>> Never forget to imagine your roles are reversed, thqat you'r the teacher >>> and you are charged with some little terror. Hopefully, that lends some >>> perspective! >>> ! >>> for today, Car >>> >>> 12:07 PM 2/25/2014, you wrote: >>>> I would, but i find that this distracts from the TBI's real job. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Goood moring, Aleeha, >>>>> >>>>> I tend to echo Minh, if TVI is doing her job I.E helping you, why does >>>>> it matter if she lends her expertese to helping others? Besides, don't >>>>> you wanna see everyone in a class succeed? I would think you would be >>>>> glad to see this? >>>>> for today, CarAt 09:22 AM 2/25/2014, minh ha wrote: >>>>>> Um, I don't see why this is an issue. As long as she is working with >>>>>> you and giving you the assistance that you need, then it really >>>>>> doesn't matter whether or not she helps other students. My TVI >>>>>> throughout middle school and high school would help my classmates >>>>>> during math because she was a math major in college and that was what >>>>>> she loved to do. When I was working on my own problems and didn't >>>>>> really need her to be with me constantly, she would just give a hand >>>>>> to a student nearby who was struggling. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/25/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>>>>>> I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first ask >>>>>>> her to >>>>>>> stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey NABS Members, >>>>>>>> I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one >>>>>>>> question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? >>>>>>>> JJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >>>>>>>> 8th Grade Student >>>>>>>> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School >>>>>>>> Lakewood, Colorado, United States >>>>>>>> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado >>>>>>>> (NFBCO), >>>>>>>> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North >>>>>>>> Metro >>>>>>>> Chapter of the NFB. >>>>>>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >>>>>>>> Skype: jj.duran13 >>>>>>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 >>>>>>>> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>>> dusty >>>>>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/johnniejduran%40gmail.com > > > -- > Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > 8th Grade Student > O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School > Lakewood, Colorado, United States > Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), > The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro > Chapter of the NFB. > Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > Skype: jj.duran13 > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 > Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 20:41:57 2014 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:41:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225114701.01c1b360@comcast.net><05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20140225121101.05233588@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8C07DDF28F274D1796BD50BA017B92E4@robert9999b7cf> Well, an aid isn't always the best thing. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Principato" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue > There you go. That is very reasonable. As I've said, helping other > students is fine if you're working independently and she has nothing else > to do, but if she's in that class to be your aide, you need to be her > first priority and shouldn't have to wait in line behind students who are > not blind and in need of assistance the regular math teacher can't > provide. I would suggest telling her just that and see how it goes. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:31 PM, johnnie Jean duran >> wrote: >> >> No, >> The TVI will neglect me, and if her assistance is needed, she is not >> there. I don't mind her helping other students, however, when I need >> help, I would like it before she goes to assist other students. >> >>> On 2/25/14, Jamie Principato wrote: >>> Let's remember that JJ brought this issue up and only he can tell us if >>> his >>> TVI is failing to meet his blindness related needs. Aleeha simply agreed >>> with him. Some of you are asking her questions as if we are talking >>> about >>> her TVI in particular. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Aleeha, >>>> >>>> And how do you know what distracts the teacher from you? >>>> Again, is she not meeting your needs? I would suggest granting her the >>>> perogative of deciding when she feels "destracted." Frankly, this >>>> sounds >>>> like an awfully controlling situation. Do you think she feels >>>> completely >>>> controled and dominated by your alleged needs? >>>> Never forget to imagine your roles are reversed, thqat you'r the >>>> teacher >>>> and you are charged with some little terror. Hopefully, that lends some >>>> perspective! >>>> ! >>>> for today, Car >>>> >>>> 12:07 PM 2/25/2014, you wrote: >>>>> I would, but i find that this distracts from the TBI's real job. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Goood moring, Aleeha, >>>>>> >>>>>> I tend to echo Minh, if TVI is doing her job I.E helping you, why >>>>>> does >>>>>> it matter if she lends her expertese to helping others? Besides, >>>>>> don't >>>>>> you wanna see everyone in a class succeed? I would think you would be >>>>>> glad to see this? >>>>>> for today, CarAt 09:22 AM 2/25/2014, minh ha wrote: >>>>>>> Um, I don't see why this is an issue. As long as she is working with >>>>>>> you and giving you the assistance that you need, then it really >>>>>>> doesn't matter whether or not she helps other students. My TVI >>>>>>> throughout middle school and high school would help my classmates >>>>>>> during math because she was a math major in college and that was >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> she loved to do. When I was working on my own problems and didn't >>>>>>> really need her to be with me constantly, she would just give a hand >>>>>>> to a student nearby who was struggling. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/25/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>>>>>>> I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first ask >>>>>>>> her to >>>>>>>> stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor or your school. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey NABS Members, >>>>>>>>> I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one >>>>>>>>> question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in >>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? >>>>>>>>> JJ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >>>>>>>>> 8th Grade Student >>>>>>>>> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School >>>>>>>>> Lakewood, Colorado, United States >>>>>>>>> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado >>>>>>>>> (NFBCO), >>>>>>>>> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North >>>>>>>>> Metro >>>>>>>>> Chapter of the NFB. >>>>>>>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >>>>>>>>> Skype: jj.duran13 >>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 >>>>>>>>> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>>>> dusty >>>>>>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>>>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/johnniejduran%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >> 8th Grade Student >> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School >> Lakewood, Colorado, United States >> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), >> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro >> Chapter of the NFB. >> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >> Skype: jj.duran13 >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 >> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From jhud7789 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 20:46:35 2014 From: jhud7789 at gmail.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:46:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello JJ, are the other people that she's assisting blind and visually impaired as well? From the way your wording, it doesn't sound like they are. Before I give you any kind of advice I think that I would need to know that answer first. Joseph Hudson I device support Phone 641-715-3900 ex 34315 Email jhud7789 at gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran wrote: > > Hey NABS Members, > I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one > question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students in my > math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it because it's not > technically her job. What is your opinion on this situation? > JJ > > -- > Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > 8th Grade Student > O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School > Lakewood, Colorado, United States > Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), > The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro > Chapter of the NFB. > Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > Skype: jj.duran13 > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 > Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 25 20:47:34 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:47:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225114701.01c1b360@comcast.net> <05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140225121101.05233588@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001cf326a$cfb45d60$6f1d1820$@gmail.com> Agreed. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Principato Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue There you go. That is very reasonable. As I've said, helping other students is fine if you're working independently and she has nothing else to do, but if she's in that class to be your aide, you need to be her first priority and shouldn't have to wait in line behind students who are not blind and in need of assistance the regular math teacher can't provide. I would suggest telling her just that and see how it goes. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:31 PM, johnnie Jean duran wrote: > > No, > The TVI will neglect me, and if her assistance is needed, she is not > there. I don't mind her helping other students, however, when I need > help, I would like it before she goes to assist other students. > >> On 2/25/14, Jamie Principato wrote: >> Let's remember that JJ brought this issue up and only he can tell us >> if his TVI is failing to meet his blindness related needs. Aleeha >> simply agreed with him. Some of you are asking her questions as if we >> are talking about her TVI in particular. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Aleeha, >>> >>> And how do you know what distracts the teacher from you? >>> Again, is she not meeting your needs? I would suggest granting her >>> the perogative of deciding when she feels "destracted." Frankly, >>> this sounds like an awfully controlling situation. Do you think she >>> feels completely controled and dominated by your alleged needs? >>> Never forget to imagine your roles are reversed, thqat you'r the >>> teacher and you are charged with some little terror. Hopefully, that >>> lends some perspective! >>> ! >>> for today, Car >>> >>> 12:07 PM 2/25/2014, you wrote: >>>> I would, but i find that this distracts from the TBI's real job. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Goood moring, Aleeha, >>>>> >>>>> I tend to echo Minh, if TVI is doing her job I.E helping you, why >>>>> does it matter if she lends her expertese to helping others? >>>>> Besides, don't you wanna see everyone in a class succeed? I would >>>>> think you would be glad to see this? >>>>> for today, CarAt 09:22 AM 2/25/2014, minh ha wrote: >>>>>> Um, I don't see why this is an issue. As long as she is working >>>>>> with you and giving you the assistance that you need, then it >>>>>> really doesn't matter whether or not she helps other students. My >>>>>> TVI throughout middle school and high school would help my >>>>>> classmates during math because she was a math major in college >>>>>> and that was what she loved to do. When I was working on my own >>>>>> problems and didn't really need her to be with me constantly, she >>>>>> would just give a hand to a student nearby who was struggling. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/25/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: >>>>>>> I completely agree. She has no right to do that. I would first >>>>>>> ask her to stop. If that does not work, talk to her supervisor >>>>>>> or your school. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 11:30 AM, johnnie Jean duran >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey NABS Members, >>>>>>>> I would normally write a very long letter, but I only have one >>>>>>>> question. My TVI has recently been assisting the other students >>>>>>>> in my math classroom, and in my opinion, I don't like it >>>>>>>> because it's not technically her job. What is your opinion on >>>>>>>> this situation? >>>>>>>> JJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >>>>>>>> 8th Grade Student >>>>>>>> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, >>>>>>>> Colorado, United States Member Of The National Federation Of >>>>>>>> The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of >>>>>>>> Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. >>>>>>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >>>>>>>> Skype: jj.duran13 >>>>>>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 >>>>>>>> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgir >>>>>>>> l1993%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>> info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%4 >>>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the >>>>>> dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it >>>>>> was vanity: >>>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act >>>>>> on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. >>>>>> Lawrence >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co >>>>>> mcast.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl19 >>>>> 93%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comc >>>> ast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40g >>> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/johnniejduran%40g >> mail.com > > > -- > Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > 8th Grade Student > O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, > United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of > Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), > and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. > Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > Skype: jj.duran13 > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14 > Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gma > il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Tue Feb 25 21:54:48 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:54:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: <000001cf326a$cfb45d60$6f1d1820$@gmail.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225114701.01c1b360@comcast.net> <05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140225121101.05233588@comcast.net> <000001cf326a$cfb45d60$6f1d1820$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5D33A191-E656-4F8D-955F-7D83E3C86699@fuse.net> Your tvi could be teaching you to help you help you help yourself. Personally I think her helping other students is good, it bridges the gap between blind and sited students. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:47 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > > Agreed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie > Principato > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:36 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue > > There you go. That is very reasonable. As I've said, helping other students > is fine if you're working independently and she has nothing else to do, but > if she's in that class to be your aide, you need to be her first priority > and shouldn't have to wait in line behind students who are not blind and in > need of assistance the regular math teacher can't provide. I would suggest > telling her just that and see how it goes. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:31 PM, johnnie Jean duran > wrote: >> >> No, >> The TVI will neglect me, and if her assistance is needed, she is not >> there. I don't mind her helping other students, however, when I need >> help, I would like it before she goes to assist other students. >> >>> On 2/25/14, Jamie Principato wrote: >>> Let's remember that JJ brought this issue up and only he can tell us >>> if his TVI is failing to meet his blindness related needs. Aleeha >>> simply agreed with him. Some of you are asking her questions as if we >>> are talking about her TVI in particular. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, Aleeha, >>>> >>>> And how do you know what distracts the teacher from you? From ligne14 at verizon.net Tue Feb 25 23:28:40 2014 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (sami osborne) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:28:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster Message-ID: <0N1K00BPZRXBZH20@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hi all. I use a BrailleNote Apex for schoolwork and emails. I know that you guys might think that audio is faster than Braille, but I turn off the speech on my BrailleNote so as not to disturb the other kids in my class. However, I also use a Victor Reader Stream to listen to books, and its audio qualy, to me, is very good. I also use a computer with Jaws installed for surfing the web and for playing games. I'm not sure what my average braille reading speed is, but now that you mentioned it, I'll probably test that and see, although I do know that I'm a fast Braille reader... Sami. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mohamed wrote: Good afternoon, Sophie, Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you find yourself in this way. for today, Car 408-209-3239 Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is more important for some classes than others, but reading braille tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! Sincerely, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Courtney Stover You a bit remind me of what I do. I turn off the speech myself, to avoid disturbing the class. Yes, I use a stream. Are you using the second generation stream? Just curious. ----- Original Message ----- From: sami osborne wrote: Good afternoon, Sophie, Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you find yourself in this way. for today, Car 408-209-3239 Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is more important for some classes than others, but reading braille tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! Sincerely, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Courtney Stover References: <530d2a25.a75e8c0a.4226.2c14@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <26E763D0-5FD2-4AC4-B204-67E1D25B62E7@fuse.net> I have my jaws at rate 86, read roughly 140 words a minute, and have my apex at rate 13. I have voiceover at normal speed because I don't like its rhythm when it reads faster. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Mohamed wrote: > > You a bit remind me of what I do. I turn off the speech myself, to avoid disturbing the class. Yes, I use a stream. Are you using the second generation stream? Just curious. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sami osborne To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:28:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Hi all. > > I use a BrailleNote Apex for schoolwork and emails. > I know that you guys might think that audio is faster than > Braille, but I turn off the speech on my BrailleNote so as not to > disturb the other kids in my class. > However, I also use a Victor Reader Stream to listen to books, > and its audio qualy, to me, is very good. > I also use a computer with Jaws installed for surfing the web and > for playing games. > I'm not sure what my average braille reading speed is, but now > that you mentioned it, I'll probably test that and see, although > I do know that I'm a fast Braille reader... > > Sami. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mohamed To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:18:35 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Hi Helga, me, personally, I like audio more. Braille, for me, > is rather slow. I have my BrailleNote sped up to the maximum > speed, rate 16. I just simply like audio more than braille. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" From malhajamy at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 00:07:07 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:07:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster Message-ID: <530d3063.87258c0a.8eff.35d2@mx.google.com> I'm exactly there. Actually, I have it at rate 16 now. I use my BrailleNote for everything. Schoolwork, reading, song downloading, everything. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: You a bit remind me of what I do. I turn off the speech myself, to avoid disturbing the class. Yes, I use a stream. Are you using the second generation stream? Just curious. ----- Original Message ----- From: sami osborne References: <530d2a25.a75e8c0a.4226.2c14@mx.google.com> <26E763D0-5FD2-4AC4-B204-67E1D25B62E7@fuse.net> Message-ID: <004a01cf3287$225e4190$671ac4b0$@gmail.com> What I have found is that for reading graduate level texts, I want around 55 words a minute or so for better comprehention. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie Pennington Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster I have my jaws at rate 86, read roughly 140 words a minute, and have my apex at rate 13. I have voiceover at normal speed because I don't like its rhythm when it reads faster. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Mohamed wrote: > > You a bit remind me of what I do. I turn off the speech myself, to avoid disturbing the class. Yes, I use a stream. Are you using the second generation stream? Just curious. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sami osborne To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Hi all. > > I use a BrailleNote Apex for schoolwork and emails. > I know that you guys might think that audio is faster than Braille, > but I turn off the speech on my BrailleNote so as not to disturb the > other kids in my class. > However, I also use a Victor Reader Stream to listen to books, and its > audio qualy, to me, is very good. > I also use a computer with Jaws installed for surfing the web and for > playing games. > I'm not sure what my average braille reading speed is, but now that > you mentioned it, I'll probably test that and see, although I do know > that I'm a fast Braille reader... > > Sami. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mohamed To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Hi Helga, me, personally, I like audio more. Braille, for me, is > rather slow. I have my BrailleNote sped up to the maximum speed, rate > 16. I just simply like audio more than braille. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 00:17:07 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:17:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: <530d2a25.a75e8c0a.4226.2c14@mx.google.com> References: <530d2a25.a75e8c0a.4226.2c14@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8D7F2B9D648746C2989951FF2A3D7C32@Helga> Hi guys, I actually like audio as well, but I don't have it in full speed! And the reason why, is because since I'm not from the United States, it is very hard sometimes for me to understand the words in English. And when I don't understand the words, I actually use the spell feature in JAWS in order to got them, but it actually takes me a long time doing that. That is why I prefer Braille copies when it comes to understanding something! And as you know, I use JAWS, but I don't have it slow, I actually have it in an average speed. That is why I like to read my College papers in Braille, and at the same time that I'm reading the Braille copy, I'm listening the audio with JAWS. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! P.S. Mohamed I just wantedd to tell you that I have my BrailleNote at rate 10 my friend! -----Original Message----- From: Mohamed Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:40 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster You a bit remind me of what I do. I turn off the speech myself, to avoid disturbing the class. Yes, I use a stream. Are you using the second generation stream? Just curious. ----- Original Message ----- From: sami osborne wrote: Good afternoon, Sophie, Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you find yourself in this way. for today, Car 408-209-3239 Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is more important for some classes than others, but reading braille tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! Sincerely, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Courtney Stover To AlAll our MD Friends in the NABS Community: Below is information about this year’s be OK with Blindess event at the NFB. I don’t know if I will be able to make it because I might be in Denver still during this event. Thanks for reading, and enjoy your day!!! Preston Gaylor Sent from Windows Mail From: Rose Gaylor Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎25‎, ‎2014 ‎9‎:‎21‎ ‎AM To: Preston Gaylor UNCLASSIFIED You should pass this along to some of your friends and especially Lucas. UNCLASSIFIED -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Be OK with Blindness May 10, 2014.eml Type: application/octet-stream Size: 81601 bytes Desc: Be OK with Blindness May 10, 2014.eml URL: From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 00:30:00 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:30:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: <8D7F2B9D648746C2989951FF2A3D7C32@Helga> References: <530d2a25.a75e8c0a.4226.2c14@mx.google.com> <8D7F2B9D648746C2989951FF2A3D7C32@Helga> Message-ID: Hi guys, I forgot to tell you that I have JAWS in rate 65. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:17 PM, wrote: > > Hi guys, I actually like audio as well, but I don't have it in full speed! And the reason why, is because since I'm not from the United States, it is very hard sometimes for me to understand the words in English. And when I don't understand the words, I actually use the spell feature in JAWS in order to got them, but it actually takes me a long time doing that. That is why I prefer Braille copies when it comes to understanding something! And as you know, I use JAWS, but I don't have it slow, I actually have it in an average speed. That is why I like to read my College papers in Braille, and at the same time that I'm reading the Braille copy, I'm listening the audio with JAWS. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! > P.S. Mohamed I just wantedd to tell you that I have my BrailleNote at rate 10 my friend! > -----Original Message----- From: Mohamed > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:40 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > You a bit remind me of what I do. I turn off the speech myself, > to avoid disturbing the class. Yes, I use a stream. Are you > using the second generation stream? Just curious. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sami osborne To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:28:40 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Hi all. > > I use a BrailleNote Apex for schoolwork and emails. > I know that you guys might think that audio is faster than > Braille, but I turn off the speech on my BrailleNote so as not to > disturb the other kids in my class. > However, I also use a Victor Reader Stream to listen to books, > and its audio qualy, to me, is very good. > I also use a computer with Jaws installed for surfing the web and > for playing games. > I'm not sure what my average braille reading speed is, but now > that you mentioned it, I'll probably test that and see, although > I do know that I'm a fast Braille reader... > > Sami. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mohamed To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:18:35 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Hi Helga, me, personally, I like audio more. Braille, for me, > is rather slow. I have my BrailleNote sped up to the maximum > speed, rate 16. I just simply like audio more than braille. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:36:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Hi all, this is Helga! I actually use both JAWS and Braille! But > I actually > like braille more than just listening to audio, since I > comprehend more the > college material in Braille! But if I have the Braille copy in my > hand, and > I have the text of it on the computer I learn the material > faster! For > instance, for my Government class I need to learn 19 steps in how > a Bill > becomes a Law. So in that case I use JAWS and the braille copy > of the steps. > Thanks so much for listening to me! God bless! > > -----Original Message----- > From: justin williams > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:16 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Screen reader; I have my jaws up to more than sixty usually. I > may slow it > down to 55 or so when I am reading; I hae pretty good > comprehention because > I read before class. Also, I use learning ally; I speed it up as > much as I > can. Reading your emails I have my jaws on 65 or so. If I am > really > searching for something on the internet, I may speed it up to 70 > or even 80 > for greater speed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Jamie > Principato > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 8:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > How many hours a night must you spend reading in order to keep up > with and > be successful in your classes? Are you using Braille or a screen > reader? I'd > love to hear everyone weigh in on this. If you don't read for > class every > night, how many hours a week? > > Jamie > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Arielle Silverman > wrote: > > I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. > You can > skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your > fingers > down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the > text > is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section > heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. > Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the > time. > I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy > ratio. > That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as > little time > as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a > minute > and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half > what > was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully > reading in > Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you > read, > and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right > before the > test, is valuable. > I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and > I've > often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and > having > less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow > down > or I start missing stuff. > > Arielle > > On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good afternoon, Sophie, > > Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for > granted, > couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read > braille. > Served the Federation's summer program as the braille > instructor, was > a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn > Grade 3, > the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with > the > help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself > nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a > car > which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been > acute > tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to > perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing > braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe > dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you > see with > neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, > anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! > But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, > during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille > Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no > alternative, > I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well > as > talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, > you > find yourself in this way. > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I > actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, > I'm in > high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as > college > students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric > format > with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the > Find > command to search for important keywords if you're trying to > look up > something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page > if you > wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend > more > when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it > with my > fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when > I'm > listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. > This is > more important for some classes than others, but reading braille > tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see > what's > underlined or italicized, which may be important for some > lessons. > These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! > > Sincerely, > Sophie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Courtney Stover To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Antonio, > > I'll return with more thoughts later tonight when I've properly > read > the article, but I thought I'd answer your questions, because > they > interest me on a philosophical level. > > This is one of the ways that, frankly, my life experience simply > hasn't jived with NFB philosophy. NFB philosophy emphasizes the > importance of fast Braille reading, which I agree with; practice > absolutely must be maintained. However, they also seem to > strongly > insist on Braille textbooks, which I don't get behind so much. > Doing > college-level reading; I have never had to consume material as > quickly as I am right now. And, at least for me, reading > textbooks > in Braille is simply impractical, even if that Braille has > shifted > to electronic instead of hardcopy. I can read loads faster, > even > with something like RFBD and the Bookmarks function on my player > to > find important material again, than I ever thought about with > Braille, particularly because I can quickly skim over > superfluous > material like map descriptions, vocabulary I already remember, > or > excerpts from outside documents that are meant to enhance the > readings, which are always located at the end of the page, by > simply > going to the next one with the press of a button. With books > read > by a screen reader, particularly if they're from somewhere like > Bookshare and have Daisy navigation, this is even more true. > > I think your point is very true, about Braille readers only > reading > at the pace of sighted ones. I went in recently to take a test > in > Braille (the one reason I keep my Braille skills sharp; my test > performance plummets when I have to have a reader), and was > noted as > one of the fastest Braille readers the proctor had ever seen. > However, someone was taking the same test with a screen reader, > and > was finished in half the time I was. So, learning to take tests > with screen and human readers is something I wish to become > proficient > at. > After all, I may have Braille accommodation now, but I doubt a > workplace, such as a call center, that has a training process > before > proper work begins, is going to allow me to have a Braille > display. > > Now, this says nothing about leisure activities, in which I > vastly > prefer Braille to audio, save in rare cases. If I'm going to > read a > book, I want to actually be reading it. Also, any proofing task > would be made immensely more difficult without the use of > Braille. > > I hope this at least provides an interesting perspective on your > questions, as you certainly provided a very interesting article > I'm > looking forward to diving in to. > Warmly, > Courtney > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co > mca > st.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail > .com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly% > 40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreib > er26%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/malhajamy%40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver > izon.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/malhajamy%40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From kobycox at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 00:43:23 2014 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:43:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Be OK with Blindness May 10, 2014 (UNCLASSIFIED) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I didn't see any information regarding this event in the original email that you forwarded to the list. I look forward to hearing from you soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Preston Gaylor Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:26 PM To: Nabs-l Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Be OK with Blindness May 10, 2014 (UNCLASSIFIED) To AlAll our MD Friends in the NABS Community: Below is information about this year’s be OK with Blindess event at the NFB. I don’t know if I will be able to make it because I might be in Denver still during this event. Thanks for reading, and enjoy your day!!! Preston Gaylor Sent from Windows Mail From: Rose Gaylor Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎25‎, ‎2014 ‎9‎:‎21‎ ‎AM To: Preston Gaylor UNCLASSIFIED You should pass this along to some of your friends and especially Lucas. UNCLASSIFIED From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 01:24:26 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:24:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: References: <530d2a25.a75e8c0a.4226.2c14@mx.google.com> <8D7F2B9D648746C2989951FF2A3D7C32@Helga> Message-ID: <005f01cf3291$7d929980$78b7cc80$@gmail.com> I'm hoping to incorporate some of you folks's methods in what I do; thanks for sharing. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster Hi guys, I forgot to tell you that I have JAWS in rate 65. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 7:17 PM, wrote: > > Hi guys, I actually like audio as well, but I don't have it in full speed! And the reason why, is because since I'm not from the United States, it is very hard sometimes for me to understand the words in English. And when I don't understand the words, I actually use the spell feature in JAWS in order to got them, but it actually takes me a long time doing that. That is why I prefer Braille copies when it comes to understanding something! And as you know, I use JAWS, but I don't have it slow, I actually have it in an average speed. That is why I like to read my College papers in Braille, and at the same time that I'm reading the Braille copy, I'm listening the audio with JAWS. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! > P.S. Mohamed I just wantedd to tell you that I have my BrailleNote at rate 10 my friend! > -----Original Message----- From: Mohamed > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:40 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > You a bit remind me of what I do. I turn off the speech myself, to > avoid disturbing the class. Yes, I use a stream. Are you using the > second generation stream? Just curious. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sami osborne To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Hi all. > > I use a BrailleNote Apex for schoolwork and emails. > I know that you guys might think that audio is faster than Braille, > but I turn off the speech on my BrailleNote so as not to disturb the > other kids in my class. > However, I also use a Victor Reader Stream to listen to books, and its > audio qualy, to me, is very good. > I also use a computer with Jaws installed for surfing the web and for > playing games. > I'm not sure what my average braille reading speed is, but now that > you mentioned it, I'll probably test that and see, although I do know > that I'm a fast Braille reader... > > Sami. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mohamed To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Hi Helga, me, personally, I like audio more. Braille, for me, is > rather slow. I have my BrailleNote sped up to the maximum speed, rate > 16. I just simply like audio more than braille. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:36:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Hi all, this is Helga! I actually use both JAWS and Braille! But I > actually like braille more than just listening to audio, since I > comprehend more the college material in Braille! But if I have the > Braille copy in my hand, and I have the text of it on the computer I > learn the material faster! For instance, for my Government class I > need to learn 19 steps in how a Bill becomes a Law. So in that case I > use JAWS and the braille copy of the steps. > Thanks so much for listening to me! God bless! > > -----Original Message----- > From: justin williams > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:16 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Screen reader; I have my jaws up to more than sixty usually. I may > slow it down to 55 or so when I am reading; I hae pretty good > comprehention because I read before class. Also, I use learning ally; > I speed it up as much as I can. Reading your emails I have my jaws on > 65 or so. If I am really searching for something on the internet, I > may speed it up to 70 or even 80 for greater speed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie > Principato > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 8:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > How many hours a night must you spend reading in order to keep up with > and be successful in your classes? Are you using Braille or a screen > reader? I'd love to hear everyone weigh in on this. If you don't read > for class every night, how many hours a week? > > Jamie > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 24, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > I find it easier to skim in Braille than in audio or E-text. > You can > skim in Braille by looking for indented text, sliding your fingers > down the leftmost edge of the page looking for spaces where the text > is indented or centered to indicate a new paragraph or section > heading, or of course, flip to the next physical page. > Also, I'm not sure speed is the end goal, at least not all the time. > I think a better goal is to achieve a good speed-to-accuracy ratio. > That is, you want to understand as much as possible in as little time > as possible. Anyone can put their screen reader on 500 words a minute > and just breeze through, but if you comprehended less than half what > was spoken, that's not useful at all. Similarly, carefully reading in > Braille at 100 words per minute but understanding everything you read, > and remembering it later so you don't have to re-read right before the > test, is valuable. > I'm one of those Braille readers who reads very quickly, and I've > often found, especially as an adult reading denser material and having > less practice with Braille, that I have to force myself to slow down > or I start missing stuff. > > Arielle > > On 2/24/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good afternoon, Sophie, > > Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, > couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. > Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was > a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, > the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the > help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself > nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car > which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute > tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to > perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing > braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe > dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with > neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, > anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! > But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, > during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille Light > 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, I have > forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as talking > books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you find > yourself in this way. > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I > actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in > high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college > students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format > with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find > command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up > something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you > wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more > when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my > fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm > listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. > This is > more important for some classes than others, but reading braille tells > us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's > underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. > These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! > > Sincerely, > Sophie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Courtney Stover To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster > > Antonio, > > I'll return with more thoughts later tonight when I've properly read > the article, but I thought I'd answer your questions, because they > interest me on a philosophical level. > > This is one of the ways that, frankly, my life experience simply > hasn't jived with NFB philosophy. NFB philosophy emphasizes the > importance of fast Braille reading, which I agree with; practice > absolutely must be maintained. However, they also seem to strongly > insist on Braille textbooks, which I don't get behind so much. > Doing > college-level reading; I have never had to consume material as quickly > as I am right now. And, at least for me, reading textbooks in Braille > is simply impractical, even if that Braille has shifted to electronic > instead of hardcopy. I can read loads faster, even with something > like RFBD and the Bookmarks function on my player to find important > material again, than I ever thought about with Braille, particularly > because I can quickly skim over superfluous material like map > descriptions, vocabulary I already remember, or excerpts from outside > documents that are meant to enhance the readings, which are always > located at the end of the page, by simply going to the next one with > the press of a button. With books read by a screen reader, > particularly if they're from somewhere like Bookshare and have Daisy > navigation, this is even more true. > > I think your point is very true, about Braille readers only reading at > the pace of sighted ones. I went in recently to take a test in > Braille (the one reason I keep my Braille skills sharp; my test > performance plummets when I have to have a reader), and was noted as > one of the fastest Braille readers the proctor had ever seen. > However, someone was taking the same test with a screen reader, and > was finished in half the time I was. So, learning to take tests with > screen and human readers is something I wish to become proficient at. > After all, I may have Braille accommodation now, but I doubt a > workplace, such as a call center, that has a training process before > proper work begins, is going to allow me to have a Braille display. > > Now, this says nothing about leisure activities, in which I vastly > prefer Braille to audio, save in rare cases. If I'm going to read a > book, I want to actually be reading it. Also, any proofing task would > be made immensely more difficult without the use of Braille. > > I hope this at least provides an interesting perspective on your > questions, as you certainly provided a very interesting article I'm > looking forward to diving in to. > Warmly, > Courtney > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co > mca > st.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail > .com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly% > 40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > ms2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreib > er26%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/malhajamy%40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver > izon.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/malhajamy%40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26% > 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 01:25:31 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:25:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster In-Reply-To: <8D7F2B9D648746C2989951FF2A3D7C32@Helga> References: <530d2a25.a75e8c0a.4226.2c14@mx.google.com> <8D7F2B9D648746C2989951FF2A3D7C32@Helga> Message-ID: <006001cf3291$a43b7340$ecb259c0$@gmail.com> In class I plug in an ear bud to my lap top. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 7:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster Hi guys, I actually like audio as well, but I don't have it in full speed! And the reason why, is because since I'm not from the United States, it is very hard sometimes for me to understand the words in English. And when I don't understand the words, I actually use the spell feature in JAWS in order to got them, but it actually takes me a long time doing that. That is why I prefer Braille copies when it comes to understanding something! And as you know, I use JAWS, but I don't have it slow, I actually have it in an average speed. That is why I like to read my College papers in Braille, and at the same time that I'm reading the Braille copy, I'm listening the audio with JAWS. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! P.S. Mohamed I just wantedd to tell you that I have my BrailleNote at rate 10 my friend! -----Original Message----- From: Mohamed Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:40 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning to learn faster You a bit remind me of what I do. I turn off the speech myself, to avoid disturbing the class. Yes, I use a stream. Are you using the second generation stream? Just curious. ----- Original Message ----- From: sami osborne wrote: Good afternoon, Sophie, Growing up,I admit, I took braille very much for granted, couldn't fathom those blinks I heard about who, didn't read braille. Served the Federation's summer program as the braille instructor, was a devotee of this page slate I have. Was beginning to learn Grade 3, the whole bit. I forgot, in studying Japanese language, I, with the help of a key my Dad found for me On-line, began teaching myself nihongo tenji (Japanese braille) Then, at age 19, I was hit by a car which caused severe brain damage, a symptom of which has been acute tactile appraxia which for me, refers to an inability of hand to perceive that which is sent to it via the brain. thus reducing braille reading pretty much to a very rich and stimulating pipe dream. And, It isn't about the spacing of the dots, like you see with neuropathy people, as if anything was produced in jumbo braille, anyway. I just don't perceive what my finger feels! But, I say aoll this to make the point of my also not retaining, during the time i did use hard copy braille as well as a Braille Light 40 purchased by the school district and, having no alternative, I have forced myself to learn audotorally on the comput as well as talking books.... so, it can be possible in case, got help you, you find yourself in this way. for today, Car 408-209-3239 Courtney, I have to disagree with you on braille textbooks. I actually find them more useful than audio textbooks. Granted, I'm in high school, so I'm probably not moving at as fast a pace as college students, but still. If you read a braille book in an electric format with a notetaker (I use a braillenote apex), you can use the Find command to search for important keywords if you're trying to look up something quickly. You can also move by paragraph and by page if you wish to skip irrelevant material. For me at least, I comprehend more when I read braille. I do okay with audio, but when I read it with my fingers, I tend to absorb more of the information, whereas when I'm listening to it, I occasionally zone out and miss something. This is more important for some classes than others, but reading braille tells us how to spell things. Braille also allows us to see what's underlined or italicized, which may be important for some lessons. These are just my thoughts. Have a great day! Sincerely, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Courtney Stover References: <1393367516458.f1df75a3@Nodemailer> Message-ID: <530D6A7C.7070307@gmail.com> Hello, For all musicians and all computer programmers. This would be a fantastic opportunity to work at google while making a new program accessible! Thanks, -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Menvi-discuss] MuseScore accessibility & Google Summer of Code Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:31:57 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Sabatella Reply-To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy To: This is for discussing music and braille literacy MuseScore -- the open source notation program -- has been selected by Google as one of the mentoring organizations to participate in the Google Summer of Code 2014. In this program, students are be paid to work on an open source project. Students can choose what they want aspect of the project to work on, but a list of sample ideas is provided by the mentoring organization Improving accessibility is the #1 suggestion on the short list offered by MuseScore in their list of ideas ). Having the leading open source notation program be truly accessible would be a major breakthrough for blind musicians -- particularly composers and arrangers. As a technical contributor to MuseScore myself, I am familiar enough with the code to have a pretty good sense of what is involved and am willing to serve as a mentor. I have already identified a list of specific issues to address in making MuseScore accessible. If others have other issues they would like to see added to this list, let me know. So if there are any students out there interested in improving the accessibility of MuseScore, this would be a perfect time to get involved! Google is accepting student applications next month. For more information, see the Google Summer of Code web site . Feel free to contact me specifically about this, or join the chat on the #musescore channel on the IRC network freenode. Please spread the word to anyone you think might be interested! --- Marc Sabatella -------------- next part -------------- Please visit www.menvi.org/donate.html to make a voluntary contribution to MENVI?s work. - --------- Thank you for subscribing to MENVI. Should you wish to unsubscribe, change your delivery, or set any other options available to you, please view the list information page below. Should you have any questions, please contact the owner of the list. _______________________________________________ Menvi-discuss mailing list Menvi-discuss at menvi.org http://menvi.org/mailman/listinfo/menvi-discuss_menvi.org From pgradioman at hotmail.com Wed Feb 26 04:35:23 2014 From: pgradioman at hotmail.com (Preston Gaylor) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:35:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Be OK with Blindness May 10, 2014 (UNCLASSIFIED) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will forward the attached e-mail that my Mom sent me earlier. Preston Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:43 PM, "Koby Cox" wrote: > > I didn't see any information regarding this event in the original email > that you forwarded to the list. > I look forward to hearing from you soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Preston > Gaylor > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:26 PM > To: Nabs-l > Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Be OK with Blindness May 10, 2014 (UNCLASSIFIED) > > To AlAll our MD Friends in the NABS Community: > > Below is information about this year’s be OK with Blindess event at the > NFB. > > I don’t know if I will be able to make it because I might be in Denver > still during this event. > > Thanks for reading, and enjoy your day!!! > > Preston Gaylor > > > > > > > > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > > > > From: Rose Gaylor > Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎25‎, ‎2014 ‎9‎:‎21‎ ‎AM > To: Preston Gaylor > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED > You should pass this along to some of your friends and especially > Lucas. > UNCLASSIFIED > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pgradioman%40hotmail.com From kobycox at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 04:37:10 2014 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:37:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Be OK with Blindness May 10, 2014 (UNCLASSIFIED) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <07494E5DBBF545B0A74B10C09472DCBC@OwnerPC> Thanks Preston. Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Preston Gaylor Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: Be OK with Blindness May 10, 2014 (UNCLASSIFIED) I will forward the attached e-mail that my Mom sent me earlier. Preston Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:43 PM, "Koby Cox" wrote: > > I didn't see any information regarding this event in the original email > that you forwarded to the list. > I look forward to hearing from you soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Preston > Gaylor > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 6:26 PM > To: Nabs-l > Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Be OK with Blindness May 10, 2014 (UNCLASSIFIED) > > To AlAll our MD Friends in the NABS Community: > > Below is information about this year’s be OK with Blindess event at the > NFB. > > I don’t know if I will be able to make it because I might be in Denver > still during this event. > > Thanks for reading, and enjoy your day!!! > > Preston Gaylor > > > > > > > > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > > > > From: Rose Gaylor > Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎February‎ ‎25‎, ‎2014 ‎9‎:‎21‎ ‎AM > To: Preston Gaylor > > > > > > UNCLASSIFIED > You should pass this along to some of your friends and especially > Lucas. > UNCLASSIFIED > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pgradioman%40hotmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From pgradioman at hotmail.com Wed Feb 26 04:38:00 2014 From: pgradioman at hotmail.com (Preston Gaylor) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:38:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Be OK with Blindness May 10, 2014 References: Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Trudy Pickrel > Date: February 23, 2014 at 6:00:44 PM MST > To: Conchita Hernandez , MDPOBC , Abelina Ramos , Angelica Gomea , Barbra Cheadle , Becky Holland , Becky Melone , Bernadette Jacobs , Betty Hui , Bill Carbaugh , Brigette Elliott , Chitra Choudhary , Chris Bobowiec , Christie Kothari , Christine Day , colleen Donaldson , Danelle Volk-Heimbach , doug strobel , elvita Palmer , Gabrielle Rhoads , Gail Wilson , Hayden Michaelsen , Holly Miller , Jackie Otwell , Jennifer Phillips , John Penney , Judy Dai , Kevin Rhoads , Kim Alfonso , Larry Chamberlain , Laura Chirichella , lauren Carbaugh <5carbs at verizon.net>, Linda Thomas , Lorraine Philyaw , Marquita Thomas , Michon Smith , Molly Slenker , Noralee Nevius , Paul Bobowiec , Prabhat Poudel , Rose Gaylor , Sabrina , Sandra & Chris Marable , Sandra Newcomb , sceana Young , Sheifat Alliealogun , Sonya Lawrence , Tammy Bennett , teresa Graham , Tyler Shallue , Wendell Wheatley , wendy Ames , William Jacobs , Natalie Shaheen , Dezman Jackson , Melissa Lomax > Subject: Be OK with Blindness May 10, 2014 > > This message contained an html attachment that has been removed by AKO/DKO in accordance with INFOCON levels 3 and 4. > Hi all: This should work now. Let me know if you have any problems. Preston From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 17:24:50 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:24:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Essay Font, and question regarding Scholarship Form Message-ID: Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I know that I probably ask you this question before, but I just want to make sure, since I think they didn’t mention this in the Scholarship Confference call meeting. I just wanted to tell you that when I write my essays for college, I write them in Times New Roman 12 point font, and I put it in double space, but when I when to read the frequently ask questions, and I went to question 12, which was about the essay, it said there that they recommend if you want to give a great impression, you need to write your essay in Arial 12 point font. I just wanted to ask you, do you think I should write my essay in Arial, or Times New Roman fontand should I put it double space? I’m just wondering, since I don’t want to make a mistake! Also, I just wanted to ask you, what is the main difference between Arial, and Times New Roman font? Just curious, since I’m actually totally blind, and I don’t see any difference at all! LOL! Also, I just wanted to tell you that for my scholarship form, I save and submited my Demographic information, but I just wanted to ask you, do I have to save and submit the scholarship form evry time whenever I make changes to it, or do I just need to save it and move on to the next thing? I’m just wondring, since I have a feeling I did it wrong last year, and I actually didn’t know any of you here! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks so much and God bless!! P.S. Sorry, sorry for asking you all these questions! 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I know that I probably ask you this question before, but I just want to make sure, since I think they didn’t mention this in the Scholarship Confference call meeting. I just wanted to tell you that when I write my essays for college, I write them in Times New Roman 12 point font, and I put it in double space, but when I when to read the frequently ask questions, and I went to question 12, which was about the essay, it said there that they recommend if you want to give a great impression, you need to write your essay in Arial 12 point font. I just wanted to ask you, do you think I should write my essay in Arial, or Times New Roman fontand should I put it double space? I’m just wondering, since I don’t want to make a mistake! Also, I just wanted to ask you, what is the main difference between Arial, and Times New Roman font? Just curious, since I’m actually totally blind, and I don’t see any difference at all! LOL! Also, I just wanted to tell you that for my scholarship form, I save and submited my Demographic information, but I just wanted to ask you, do I have to save and submit the scholarship form evry time whenever I make changes to it, or do I just need to save it and move on to the next thing? I’m just wondring, since I have a feeling I did it wrong last year, and I actually didn’t know any of you here! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks so much and God bless!! > P.S. Sorry, sorry for asking you all these questions! Thanks again! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From keke.davis91 at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 19:06:08 2014 From: keke.davis91 at gmail.com (Kierra Davis) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:06:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes Message-ID: -- Kierra Davis Hello All, Just a quick question. I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are they doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do you get them into a format you can access? I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how others are handling this situation. From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 19:40:11 2014 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:40:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9AD3D9BF-465D-4E06-BDE2-29CA3F39A148@gmail.com> I am an unashamed note taker user. The university pays him and he types the notes in a word Doc. YSent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Kierra Davis wrote: > > -- > Kierra Davis > Hello All, > > Just a quick question. > > I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take > them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or > are they doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, > how do you get them into a format you can access? > > I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how > others are handling this situation. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From theweird1 at mediacombb.net Wed Feb 26 19:42:01 2014 From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:42:01 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003f01cf332a$d18cc3a0$74a64ae0$@mediacombb.net> I've always have taken them on my own. I take them in braille. Loren -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra Davis Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] class notes -- Kierra Davis Hello All, Just a quick question. I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are they doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do you get them into a format you can access? I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how others are handling this situation. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n et From carlymih at comcast.net Wed Feb 26 19:43:55 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:43:55 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140226113417.01bfa3b8@comcast.net> Good morning, Kierra, In fact, my community college does offer someone to help with note taking as part of the DSPS but in fact I thought of that, how then, once notes have been taken might I myself, access them? Perhaps a relevant twist in my personal case is 10-year-old brain damage so, repetition is a name of my game. Usually, I use a Victor Stream to tape lectures before then, coming home and using the "tape" to formulate complete thoughts which I then type before submitting them to teach, if that's what they want. If you want, you ought to call, we can talk notetaking! for today, Car 408-209-3239 All, >Just a quick question. > > I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take >them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or >are they doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, >how do you get them into a format you can access? > >I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how >others are handling this situation. > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 19:58:39 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:58:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140226113417.01bfa3b8@comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140226113417.01bfa3b8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <31C9F14C-2C9A-4347-953C-DEF0A5009919@gmail.com> Hi Kierra For me, it really depends on the style of the class. If it’s very didactic (the teacher lectures, the students listen), I will often use a scribe. If the class is more socratic (hands on), I will use a braille note taker because I’m often writing my own observations on things. I have taken notes on a braille note taker during lectures, but since I started college, I have used a scribe, usually hired by the office of disability services. Personally, I prefer to use a scribe. I found in high school that, when I was taking notes, I would miss some of the lecture because I was too focused on what I was writing. I know that I’m horrible at multitasking, so I just find it easier to have someone take notes for me. They then usually send me the notes in a word document. Hope this helps. Ryan On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good morning, Kierra, > > In fact, my community college does offer someone to help with note taking as part of the DSPS but in fact I thought of that, how then, once notes have been taken might I myself, access them? Perhaps a relevant twist in my personal case is 10-year-old brain damage so, repetition is a name of my game. Usually, I use a Victor Stream to tape lectures before then, coming home and using the "tape" to formulate complete thoughts which I then type before submitting them to teach, if that's what they want. > If you want, you ought to call, we can talk notetaking! > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > All, > >> Just a quick question. >> >> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take >> them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or >> are they doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, >> how do you get them into a format you can access? >> >> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how >> others are handling this situation. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 20:10:21 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01a001cf332e$c729c7b0$557d5710$@gmail.com> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe 99 percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, but I have used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be typed in to a computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft word. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra Davis Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] class notes -- Kierra Davis Hello All, Just a quick question. I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are they doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do you get them into a format you can access? I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how others are handling this situation. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 20:11:06 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:11:06 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Personally I write my own notes. I’ll write them on my laptop or braille note. I like doing this in this manner because it allows me to have down what I think is important as opposed to what someone else might think is important. If any short hand is used, it is the shorthand I use, so I know what is being communicated in those notes. there is an element or trial and error here, so please feel free to try different styles of taking your own notes. On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Kierra Davis wrote: > -- > Kierra Davis > Hello All, > > Just a quick question. > > I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take > them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or > are they doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, > how do you get them into a format you can access? > > I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how > others are handling this situation. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Wed Feb 26 20:14:05 2014 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:14:05 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8bc97c75d1d54b08966ef7c8964dd33b@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> Students should take notes as independently as possible. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 3:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes Personally I write my own notes. I'll write them on my laptop or braille note. I like doing this in this manner because it allows me to have down what I think is important as opposed to what someone else might think is important. If any short hand is used, it is the shorthand I use, so I know what is being communicated in those notes. there is an element or trial and error here, so please feel free to try different styles of taking your own notes. On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Kierra Davis wrote: > -- > Kierra Davis > Hello All, > > Just a quick question. > > I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take > them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or > are they doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, > how do you get them into a format you can access? > > I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how > others are handling this situation. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail. > com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org From malhajamy at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 20:13:55 2014 From: malhajamy at gmail.com (Mohamed) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:13:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes Message-ID: <530e4b3d.4f72e00a.39a6.ffff8fc8@mx.google.com> I use a notetaker, myself. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kierra Davis References: Message-ID: <26B483F0-1909-4188-B9E8-BF3CEDF83031@gmail.com> I do my own notes. After disability services makes sure the powerpoint is accessible, including captions for pictures and tactile images for diagrams, I make an outline based on it. Then I read the chapter and flesh out the outline with information from the chapter. Then, in class, I add notes that the professor says but were not in the book. I might even delete a section that the professor says is not important. Them I have organized notes to study. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Kierra Davis wrote: > > -- > Kierra Davis > Hello All, > > Just a quick question. > > I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take > them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or > are they doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, > how do you get them into a format you can access? > > I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how > others are handling this situation. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Wed Feb 26 20:44:53 2014 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:44:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: <01a001cf332e$c729c7b0$557d5710$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a student in a while. We don't always know what other disabilities someone may have that might affect their abilities to, for example, multi-task, but learning to take notes is a skill that will benefit one for their entire lives on the job. One just isn't always going to have a scribe to take notes. My guess is that for at least a while, it is not easy for sighted people to take notes and concentrate on lectures, either, but it is an ability that can be developed in most cases. Having someone else take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill later, when getting your job done might be on the line rather than a grade. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: >Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe 99 >percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, but I have >used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be typed in to a >computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft word. >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra Davis >Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: [nabs-l] class notes >-- >Kierra Davis >Hello All, >Just a quick question. > I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them >yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are they >doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do you get >them into a format you can access? >I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how others >are handling this situation. >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Wed Feb 26 21:15:06 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:15:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C2B9221-6DCC-445D-888A-90BFC561E626@fuse.net> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math where my notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an outline posted, I will use that. I was taught that having my notes done any other way was completely unacceptable. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > > Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a student in a while. We don't always know what other > disabilities someone may have that might affect their abilities to, for example, multi-task, but learning to take > notes is a skill that will benefit one for their entire lives on the job. One just isn't always going to have a > scribe to take notes. My guess is that for at least a while, it is not easy for sighted people to take notes and > concentrate on lectures, either, but it is an ability that can be developed in most cases. Having someone else > take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill later, when getting your job done might be on the > line rather than a grade. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > >> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: >> >> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe 99 >> percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, but I have >> used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be typed in to a >> computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft word. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra Davis >> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes > >> -- >> Kierra Davis >> Hello All, > >> Just a quick question. > >> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them >> yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are they >> doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do you get >> them into a format you can access? > >> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how others >> are handling this situation. > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From dsykora29 at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 21:19:23 2014 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:19:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: <5C2B9221-6DCC-445D-888A-90BFC561E626@fuse.net> References: <5C2B9221-6DCC-445D-888A-90BFC561E626@fuse.net> Message-ID: I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as much as possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a lesson. On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math where my > notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an outline posted, I > will use that. I was taught that having my notes done any other way was > completely unacceptable. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" >> wrote: >> >> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a student in a >> while. We don't always know what other >> disabilities someone may have that might affect their abilities to, for >> example, multi-task, but learning to take >> notes is a skill that will benefit one for their entire lives on the job. >> One just isn't always going to have a >> scribe to take notes. My guess is that for at least a while, it is not >> easy for sighted people to take notes and >> concentrate on lectures, either, but it is an ability that can be >> developed in most cases. Having someone else >> take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill later, when >> getting your job done might be on the >> line rather than a grade. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: >>> >>> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe 99 >>> percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, but I >>> have >>> used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be typed in to a >>> computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft word. >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra >>> Davis >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes >> >>> -- >>> Kierra Davis >>> Hello All, >> >>> Just a quick question. >> >>> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them >>> yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are >>> they >>> doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do you >>> get >>> them into a format you can access? >> >>> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how >>> others >>> are handling this situation. >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 22:08:13 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:08:13 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? Message-ID: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> Hi all, It seems to me that a word that we use a lot in the Federation is independence. Obviously, we go about it differently which would suggest differing definitions for each individual. As you read this message, I wonder what the word independence means to you? Best, Darian From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Wed Feb 26 22:36:17 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:36:17 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes Message-ID: <530e6c68.e4ddb60a.1204.ffffa1b8@mx.google.com> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier that taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the opposite is true. Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes space off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes based on the teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to reinforce the notes and cement my understanding of concepts I'm having trouble with. ----- Original Message ----- From: Danielle Sykora wrote: I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math where my notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an outline posted, I will use that. I was taught that having my notes done any other way was completely unacceptable. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" Hey everyone, I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take notes during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send me their powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the screen for the other students to see, so I will be able to follow along similar to my classmates. If the teacher mentions something that is not included in the outline or PowerPoint, I will add this information as needed. Like Sophie said, taking notes definitely keeps me focused, for if I didn't do this, I would easily get distracted and space off. HTH, :) Haley ------------------------------ On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote: >I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier that taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the opposite is true. Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes space off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes based on the teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to reinforce the notes and cement my understanding of concepts I'm having trouble with. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Danielle Sykora To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:19:23 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes > >I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a >laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as much as >possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a lesson. > >On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math where my >notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an outline posted, I >will use that. I was taught that having my notes done any other way was >completely unacceptable. > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > >Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a student in a >while. We don't always know what other >disabilities someone may have that might affect their abilities to, for >example, multi-task, but learning to take >notes is a skill that will benefit one for their entire lives on the job. >One just isn't always going to have a >scribe to take notes. My guess is that for at least a while, it is not >easy for sighted people to take notes and >concentrate on lectures, either, but it is an ability that can be >developed in most cases. Having someone else >take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill later, when >getting your job done might be on the >line rather than a grade. > >Best regards, > >Steve Jacobson > >On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: > >Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe 99 >percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, but I >have >used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be typed in to a >computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft word. > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra >Davis >Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: [nabs-l] class notes > >-- >Kierra Davis >Hello All, > >Just a quick question. > >I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them >yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are >they >doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do you >get >them into a format you can access? > >I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how >others >are handling this situation. > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >ms2%40gmail >.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso >n%40visi.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning >ton%40fuse.net > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >mail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >r%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net From lilliepennington at fuse.net Wed Feb 26 23:56:40 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:56:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? In-Reply-To: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> References: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> Message-ID: <046801cf334e$6878da10$396a8e30$@net> Hi Darian and all, You pose an interesting point, and one that I had been thinking about recently. Personally, independence to me seems like being in control of your blindness and life. No, not everything is perfect necessarily, but you have a balance within your mind. For example, I make jewelry, and I have my mother or someone sited help me shop for the different beads. I will describe what I want, and she will help me find what I want. I then use the beads to independently make the jewelry. I am accomplishing a task independently, and my mother is just acting as a pair of eyes. Another example. I was attempting to do an online modual for my personal finance class. It had to get done, and my teacher and I knew it would most likely be inaccessible because it was flash based. My TVI was in theory supposed to describe the pictures after the modual would talk about the concept and click on any buttons if I needed to. However, this did not happen as I had hoped. For example, the modual would talk about the rule of 72. After it had finished talking, my TVI would summarize what the modual said. I attempted to politely and calmly explain that although it was very nice that he was giving summaries, that I did not need this interpretation and to please only read the question and answer choices on the screen. He refused to do this and said he wanted to make sure I understand the information before I selected the answer. He did this for every screen. This at least doubled the time I needed to spend on this module. An example of how this works well. I have homework options in my Spanish class and the easiest one that I see is an online site where it is a matching game between Spanish and English vocabulary. My dad will read the Spanish words on the screen and I will tell him which English equivalent to match them with. He is not helping me in any way with the assignment. While I readily admit that I am not most likely completely independent, I think I have gone a long way towards embracing this philosophy. Our society, even for sited people relies on relying on others. Blind people should have this prevelige as well.. Independence is knowing the easiest way for you to do something, and knowing when to ask for help while still challenging yourself. This brings up another topic as well, asking for help. There was a discussion on this list yesterday about TVI help in a math class. My reply was that that perhaps the TVI was teaching the student to help herself. What I meant was a general use of problem solving skills. In my school when I was little, sited students, including me in the general classroom, were taught to use problem solving situations to figure out problems. Basically, not to just shy away from a problem but to attempt to figure out how to solve it. For example, lets say that I am working on algebraic math homework such as factoring where there are many different types. Lets say that although the homework focuses on general trinomial factoring, there is a problem about difference of squares factoring. And lets say that in the notes or book there is an example of this type of factoring, or that there is an answer to the problem in the back of the book. I would simply look at the example and/or the answer to attempt to figure it out, or maybe google it. If I could not understand the what was given to me, or if there was nothing of the sort, then I would ask my teacher or another classmate. I believe this is not a problem of refusing to asking for help. In a conversation about an English paper a few weeks ago, my TVI told me that he knew about the assignment and could help with it. He then said that he spoke to my teacher and told her that any questions about the assignment I could just ask him, and told me that I had problems in refusing help (I don't think that's the case.) Fortunately for me, I have a good relationship with that teacher and my dads a magazine editor, so I had a built in editor in my house. He'd also been suspicious that a previous essay I had written was not necessarily my work, so I didn't want to go down that route. I thanked him for his offer and said I would consider it, and that I planned to deal a lot with my teacher in this, but thanks anyway. I ignored the comment about the helping. I am working with a student currently who is going to enter high school in the fall. I was asked to prepare a list of tips for entering high school. I plan to include tips such as working directly with teachers, so hopefully I can extend this branch of thought somewhat. All in all I am trying to say that if the task is done mostly by you, and that if it is something that at the end you can feel proud of that you have truly done it, then that is probably a true sign of independence. If I am making a bracelet and I ask someone how the color choices of the beads look next to each other, I am still doing the work, I am just getting a perspective on the placement of a factor that I cannot see, and it is a piece of work that I can be truly proud to wear. Thank you to anyone who has read this. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 5:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? Hi all, It seems to me that a word that we use a lot in the Federation is independence. Obviously, we go about it differently which would suggest differing definitions for each individual. As you read this message, I wonder what the word independence means to you? Best, Darian _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. net From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 00:07:51 2014 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:07:51 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: <1393455401.76638.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1393455401.76638.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DDCB7B9-C936-48F2-9940-AE685BFC1930@gmail.com> I think there's a fair amount of research showing that people remember things more when we actually write them down and in my own life at least that seems to be very true. Therefore, one of the main things that makes notes most valuable is the actual act of writing. That being the case, it kind of boggles my mind how people who ostensibly want us to be academically successful Will, by paying people to pay attention for us, deprive us of one of the most effective means of facilitating that success. Of course I can see how there could be some specific exceptions, perhaps with attention disorders and learning disabilities, but I think, for most of us, taking our own notes gives us the best chance to succeed. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, haley sumner wrote: > > > Hey everyone, > I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take notes during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send me their powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the screen for the other students to see, so I will be able to follow along similar to my classmates. If the teacher mentions something that is not included in the outline or PowerPoint, I will add this information as needed. Like Sophie said, taking notes definitely keeps me focused, for if I didn't do this, I would easily get distracted and space off. > HTH, :) > Haley > > > > > ------------------------------ >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote: >> >> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier that taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the opposite is true. Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes space off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes based on the teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to reinforce the notes and cement my understanding of concepts I'm having trouble with. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Danielle Sykora > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:19:23 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes >> >> I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a >> laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as much as >> possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a lesson. >> >> On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math where my >> notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an outline posted, I >> will use that. I was taught that having my notes done any other way was >> completely unacceptable. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" > wrote: >> >> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a student in a >> while. We don't always know what other >> disabilities someone may have that might affect their abilities to, for >> example, multi-task, but learning to take >> notes is a skill that will benefit one for their entire lives on the job. >> One just isn't always going to have a >> scribe to take notes. My guess is that for at least a while, it is not >> easy for sighted people to take notes and >> concentrate on lectures, either, but it is an ability that can be >> developed in most cases. Having someone else >> take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill later, when >> getting your job done might be on the >> line rather than a grade. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: >> >> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe 99 >> percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, but I >> have >> used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be typed in to a >> computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft word. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra >> Davis >> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes >> >> -- >> Kierra Davis >> Hello All, >> >> Just a quick question. >> >> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them >> yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are >> they >> doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do you >> get >> them into a format you can access? >> >> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how >> others >> are handling this situation. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >> ms2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso >> n%40visi.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning >> ton%40fuse.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Feb 27 00:11:28 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:11:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? In-Reply-To: <046801cf334e$6878da10$396a8e30$@net> References: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> <046801cf334e$6878da10$396a8e30$@net> Message-ID: Lillie, You have a mature grasp of independence. I agree you should work with teachers directly, using your TVI as a backup or supplement to the regular instruction. Also, you reminded me of my father. I'm so glad to hear your dad is supportive as mine was. My dad also read me computer screens that were inaccessible. We never had online quizzes, oh these days of technology high schoolers have now. But, if we did my dad would have read it if needed. Your father is simply a reader; you are still doing the work. So keep at it. You may need a reader in college, so good to practice now. My dad also helped me edit papers. I still felt independent though as I was the one producing the work primarily. You cannot catch some spelling errors by reading auditorily. and, do not say spell check, because spell check will not catch your homonyms orextra spaces in compound words because it makes them two correctly spelled words with a space. For instance writing there fore and therefore or for see and foresee. In this case, both pairs of words are spelled right, but you are not compounding the words as its meant to be. I'm sure sighted students get help from parents, so no harm done there, just as long as you are doing what you can yourself and understand your homework. Independence to me is controlling the decisions. I could say more, but have things to do. that is my simple definition. It may involve asking for some help and that is fine as long as I control the outcome of the situation. using a reader or driver or proofreader is a good example of this. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Lillie Pennington Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:56 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What is independence? Hi Darian and all, You pose an interesting point, and one that I had been thinking about recently. Personally, independence to me seems like being in control of your blindness and life. No, not everything is perfect necessarily, but you have a balance within your mind. For example, I make jewelry, and I have my mother or someone sited help me shop for the different beads. I will describe what I want, and she will help me find what I want. I then use the beads to independently make the jewelry. I am accomplishing a task independently, and my mother is just acting as a pair of eyes. Another example. I was attempting to do an online modual for my personal finance class. It had to get done, and my teacher and I knew it would most likely be inaccessible because it was flash based. My TVI was in theory supposed to describe the pictures after the modual would talk about the concept and click on any buttons if I needed to. However, this did not happen as I had hoped. For example, the modual would talk about the rule of 72. After it had finished talking, my TVI would summarize what the modual said. I attempted to politely and calmly explain that although it was very nice that he was giving summaries, that I did not need this interpretation and to please only read the question and answer choices on the screen. He refused to do this and said he wanted to make sure I understand the information before I selected the answer. He did this for every screen. This at least doubled the time I needed to spend on this module. An example of how this works well. I have homework options in my Spanish class and the easiest one that I see is an online site where it is a matching game between Spanish and English vocabulary. My dad will read the Spanish words on the screen and I will tell him which English equivalent to match them with. He is not helping me in any way with the assignment. While I readily admit that I am not most likely completely independent, I think I have gone a long way towards embracing this philosophy. Our society, even for sited people relies on relying on others. Blind people should have this prevelige as well.. Independence is knowing the easiest way for you to do something, and knowing when to ask for help while still challenging yourself. This brings up another topic as well, asking for help. There was a discussion on this list yesterday about TVI help in a math class. My reply was that that perhaps the TVI was teaching the student to help herself. What I meant was a general use of problem solving skills. In my school when I was little, sited students, including me in the general classroom, were taught to use problem solving situations to figure out problems. Basically, not to just shy away from a problem but to attempt to figure out how to solve it. For example, lets say that I am working on algebraic math homework such as factoring where there are many different types. Lets say that although the homework focuses on general trinomial factoring, there is a problem about difference of squares factoring. And lets say that in the notes or book there is an example of this type of factoring, or that there is an answer to the problem in the back of the book. I would simply look at the example and/or the answer to attempt to figure it out, or maybe google it. If I could not understand the what was given to me, or if there was nothing of the sort, then I would ask my teacher or another classmate. I believe this is not a problem of refusing to asking for help. In a conversation about an English paper a few weeks ago, my TVI told me that he knew about the assignment and could help with it. He then said that he spoke to my teacher and told her that any questions about the assignment I could just ask him, and told me that I had problems in refusing help (I don't think that's the case.) Fortunately for me, I have a good relationship with that teacher and my dads a magazine editor, so I had a built in editor in my house. He'd also been suspicious that a previous essay I had written was not necessarily my work, so I didn't want to go down that route. I thanked him for his offer and said I would consider it, and that I planned to deal a lot with my teacher in this, but thanks anyway. I ignored the comment about the helping. I am working with a student currently who is going to enter high school in the fall. I was asked to prepare a list of tips for entering high school. I plan to include tips such as working directly with teachers, so hopefully I can extend this branch of thought somewhat. All in all I am trying to say that if the task is done mostly by you, and that if it is something that at the end you can feel proud of that you have truly done it, then that is probably a true sign of independence. If I am making a bracelet and I ask someone how the color choices of the beads look next to each other, I am still doing the work, I am just getting a perspective on the placement of a factor that I cannot see, and it is a piece of work that I can be truly proud to wear. Thank you to anyone who has read this. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 5:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? Hi all, It seems to me that a word that we use a lot in the Federation is independence. Obviously, we go about it differently which would suggest differing definitions for each individual. As you read this message, I wonder what the word independence means to you? Best, Darian _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 00:21:15 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:21:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: <4DDCB7B9-C936-48F2-9940-AE685BFC1930@gmail.com> References: <1393455401.76638.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4DDCB7B9-C936-48F2-9940-AE685BFC1930@gmail.com> Message-ID: I completely agree with Darian. I want to be the one to decide what's important, not trust someone else to do it. Also, I think it's been shown that we remember more of what we hear when we write it down. Even if I never look at my notes again, the act of writing them down helps with memory. Related to this, I have found that when I take the time to write myself a reminder about something, I usually remember to do it and don't need the note, because the act of writing it down seals it in my memory. There is nothing about blindness that limits our ability to write down the important parts of what we hear. I have taken many, many classes as a bio and psych double major, master's student and now doctoral student. I have never once been significantly disadvantaged by not knowing what was written on the board or even the PowerPoint. I have found whatever is important is almost always verbalized by the instructor. The few times something is written but not spoken, it's in the textbook. By reading the textbook and attending class regularly, I have earned good grades while taking my own notes and with minimal hassle. I think sometimes people overestimate the importance of the visual, and sometimes just make things more complicated than they need to be. If you attend class and write down what sounds important, even if you don't get every little detail, you should be fine. On the other hand, if you sit back without actively writing, and trust another student to have good judgment about what you should know, you are limiting your natural ability to learn, in my opinion. I'll add that now I am a college instructor and I use PowerPoint to help the visually oriented students, but I always, always verbalize any points I think are critical for understanding the material, sometimes twice. I don't expect students to copy my slides verbatim, but I do expect them to take their own notes. I provide PowerPoints but not until after class Arielle On 2/26/14, Kirt wrote: > I think there's a fair amount of research showing that people remember > things more when we actually write them down and in my own life at least > that seems to be very true. Therefore, one of the main things that makes > notes most valuable is the actual act of writing. That being the case, it > kind of boggles my mind how people who ostensibly want us to be academically > successful Will, by paying people to pay attention for us, deprive us of one > of the most effective means of facilitating that success. Of course I can > see how there could be some specific exceptions, perhaps with attention > disorders and learning disabilities, but I think, for most of us, taking our > own notes gives us the best chance to succeed. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, haley sumner >> wrote: >> >> >> Hey everyone, >> I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take notes >> during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send me their >> powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the screen for the other >> students to see, so I will be able to follow along similar to my >> classmates. If the teacher mentions something that is not included in the >> outline or PowerPoint, I will add this information as needed. Like Sophie >> said, taking notes definitely keeps me focused, for if I didn't do this, I >> would easily get distracted and space off. >> HTH, :) >> Haley >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote: >>> >>> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier that >>> taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the opposite is true. >>> Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes space >>> off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes based on the >>> teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to reinforce the notes and >>> cement my understanding of concepts I'm having trouble with. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Danielle Sykora >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:19:23 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes >>> >>> I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a >>> laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as much as >>> possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a lesson. >>> >>> On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math where >>> my >>> notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an outline >>> posted, I >>> will use that. I was taught that having my notes done any other way was >>> completely unacceptable. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" >> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a student in >>> a >>> while. We don't always know what other >>> disabilities someone may have that might affect their abilities to, for >>> example, multi-task, but learning to take >>> notes is a skill that will benefit one for their entire lives on the >>> job. >>> One just isn't always going to have a >>> scribe to take notes. My guess is that for at least a while, it is not >>> easy for sighted people to take notes and >>> concentrate on lectures, either, but it is an ability that can be >>> developed in most cases. Having someone else >>> take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill later, >>> when >>> getting your job done might be on the >>> line rather than a grade. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: >>> >>> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe 99 >>> percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, but I >>> have >>> used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be typed in to a >>> computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft word. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra >>> Davis >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes >>> >>> -- >>> Kierra Davis >>> Hello All, >>> >>> Just a quick question. >>> >>> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them >>> yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are >>> they >>> doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do you >>> get >>> them into a format you can access? >>> >>> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how >>> others >>> are handling this situation. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>> ms2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso >>> n%40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning >>> ton%40fuse.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 00:26:27 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:26:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: <1393455401.76638.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4DDCB7B9-C936-48F2-9940-AE685BFC1930@gmail.com> Message-ID: <01f301cf3352$8e152900$aa3f7b00$@gmail.com> In my major, while notetaking is something that I do, I have found that between the textbook, the professors lecture, and mostly the hands on projects and blackboard posts, my notetaking is far less than I anticipated. Not that I don't take notes, but sometimes, the discussions are so good I forget, and it is not as necessary. , it still freeks me out; I should be taking reems of notes right?! However, when necessary, I still do so. I do like looking at the powerpoints when I can, but only to give me a heads up. I've found that reading a head of time really helps. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes I completely agree with Darian. I want to be the one to decide what's important, not trust someone else to do it. Also, I think it's been shown that we remember more of what we hear when we write it down. Even if I never look at my notes again, the act of writing them down helps with memory. Related to this, I have found that when I take the time to write myself a reminder about something, I usually remember to do it and don't need the note, because the act of writing it down seals it in my memory. There is nothing about blindness that limits our ability to write down the important parts of what we hear. I have taken many, many classes as a bio and psych double major, master's student and now doctoral student. I have never once been significantly disadvantaged by not knowing what was written on the board or even the PowerPoint. I have found whatever is important is almost always verbalized by the instructor. The few times something is written but not spoken, it's in the textbook. By reading the textbook and attending class regularly, I have earned good grades while taking my own notes and with minimal hassle. I think sometimes people overestimate the importance of the visual, and sometimes just make things more complicated than they need to be. If you attend class and write down what sounds important, even if you don't get every little detail, you should be fine. On the other hand, if you sit back without actively writing, and trust another student to have good judgment about what you should know, you are limiting your natural ability to learn, in my opinion. I'll add that now I am a college instructor and I use PowerPoint to help the visually oriented students, but I always, always verbalize any points I think are critical for understanding the material, sometimes twice. I don't expect students to copy my slides verbatim, but I do expect them to take their own notes. I provide PowerPoints but not until after class Arielle On 2/26/14, Kirt wrote: > I think there's a fair amount of research showing that people remember > things more when we actually write them down and in my own life at > least that seems to be very true. Therefore, one of the main things > that makes notes most valuable is the actual act of writing. That > being the case, it kind of boggles my mind how people who ostensibly > want us to be academically successful Will, by paying people to pay > attention for us, deprive us of one of the most effective means of > facilitating that success. Of course I can see how there could be some > specific exceptions, perhaps with attention disorders and learning > disabilities, but I think, for most of us, taking our own notes gives us the best chance to succeed. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, haley sumner >> wrote: >> >> >> Hey everyone, >> I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take >> notes during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send me >> their powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the screen for >> the other students to see, so I will be able to follow along similar >> to my classmates. If the teacher mentions something that is not >> included in the outline or PowerPoint, I will add this information as >> needed. Like Sophie said, taking notes definitely keeps me focused, >> for if I didn't do this, I would easily get distracted and space off. >> HTH, :) >> Haley >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote: >>> >>> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier that >>> taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the opposite is true. >>> Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes >>> space off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes >>> based on the teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to >>> reinforce the notes and cement my understanding of concepts I'm having trouble with. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Danielle Sykora >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes >>> >>> I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a >>> laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as much >>> as possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a lesson. >>> >>> On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math >>> where my notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an >>> outline posted, I will use that. I was taught that having my notes >>> done any other way was completely unacceptable. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a >>> student in a while. We don't always know what other disabilities >>> someone may have that might affect their abilities to, for example, >>> multi-task, but learning to take notes is a skill that will benefit >>> one for their entire lives on the job. >>> One just isn't always going to have a scribe to take notes. My >>> guess is that for at least a while, it is not easy for sighted >>> people to take notes and concentrate on lectures, either, but it is >>> an ability that can be developed in most cases. Having someone else >>> take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill >>> later, when getting your job done might be on the line rather than a >>> grade. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: >>> >>> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe >>> 99 percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, >>> but I have used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be >>> typed in to a computer for you to do anything with them; probably in >>> Microsoft word. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra >>> Davis >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes >>> >>> -- >>> Kierra Davis >>> Hello All, >>> >>> Just a quick question. >>> >>> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take >>> them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, >>> or are they doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the >>> notes, how do you get them into a format you can access? >>> >>> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how >>> others are handling this situation. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>> ms2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso >>> n%40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning >>> ton%40fuse.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sb >>> cglobal.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40 >> gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 00:28:19 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:28:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: <4DDCB7B9-C936-48F2-9940-AE685BFC1930@gmail.com> References: <1393455401.76638.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4DDCB7B9-C936-48F2-9940-AE685BFC1930@gmail.com> Message-ID: I honestly don't like it when people say students "should" or "should not" do something. I recognize that I am an individual and my learning styles differ from that of other students and I am in no place to judge others on the methods that they use to succeed. I'm sure that there are blind students out there who only use note takers for taking notes and still excel in their classes. Personally, I take my own notes, but there are classes that I need someone else to take notes for me such as foreign language and math because college is so fast paced that if I were to take my own notes in these classes, I would miss a ton of information. So I think students need to figure out what works for them and stick to that, instead of doing what works for someone else. Minh On 2/26/14, Kirt wrote: > I think there's a fair amount of research showing that people remember > things more when we actually write them down and in my own life at least > that seems to be very true. Therefore, one of the main things that makes > notes most valuable is the actual act of writing. That being the case, it > kind of boggles my mind how people who ostensibly want us to be academically > successful Will, by paying people to pay attention for us, deprive us of one > of the most effective means of facilitating that success. Of course I can > see how there could be some specific exceptions, perhaps with attention > disorders and learning disabilities, but I think, for most of us, taking our > own notes gives us the best chance to succeed. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, haley sumner >> wrote: >> >> >> Hey everyone, >> I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take notes >> during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send me their >> powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the screen for the other >> students to see, so I will be able to follow along similar to my >> classmates. If the teacher mentions something that is not included in the >> outline or PowerPoint, I will add this information as needed. Like Sophie >> said, taking notes definitely keeps me focused, for if I didn't do this, I >> would easily get distracted and space off. >> HTH, :) >> Haley >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote: >>> >>> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier that >>> taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the opposite is true. >>> Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes space >>> off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes based on the >>> teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to reinforce the notes and >>> cement my understanding of concepts I'm having trouble with. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Danielle Sykora >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:19:23 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes >>> >>> I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a >>> laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as much as >>> possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a lesson. >>> >>> On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math where >>> my >>> notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an outline >>> posted, I >>> will use that. I was taught that having my notes done any other way was >>> completely unacceptable. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" >> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a student in >>> a >>> while. We don't always know what other >>> disabilities someone may have that might affect their abilities to, for >>> example, multi-task, but learning to take >>> notes is a skill that will benefit one for their entire lives on the >>> job. >>> One just isn't always going to have a >>> scribe to take notes. My guess is that for at least a while, it is not >>> easy for sighted people to take notes and >>> concentrate on lectures, either, but it is an ability that can be >>> developed in most cases. Having someone else >>> take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill later, >>> when >>> getting your job done might be on the >>> line rather than a grade. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: >>> >>> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe 99 >>> percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, but I >>> have >>> used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be typed in to a >>> computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft word. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra >>> Davis >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes >>> >>> -- >>> Kierra Davis >>> Hello All, >>> >>> Just a quick question. >>> >>> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them >>> yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are >>> they >>> doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do you >>> get >>> them into a format you can access? >>> >>> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how >>> others >>> are handling this situation. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>> ms2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso >>> n%40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning >>> ton%40fuse.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 00:34:32 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:34:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: <1393455401.76638.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4DDCB7B9-C936-48F2-9940-AE685BFC1930@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Minh, When you say you need a notetaker because college is fast-paced, what does this really have to do with blindness? Why is it that a sighted notetaker can keep up better than you can? Or would you consider having another blind person be your notetaker? Is it that the sighted notetaker is copying stuff that stays up on the projector after it's been verbalized? Or is there something about the equipment you use that is slower than handwriting? I'm not trying to offend, just trying to better understand the situation. Arielle On 2/26/14, minh ha wrote: > I honestly don't like it when people say students "should" or "should > not" do something. I recognize that I am an individual and my learning > styles differ from that of other students and I am in no place to > judge others on the methods that they use to succeed. I'm sure that > there are blind students out there who only use note takers for taking > notes and still excel in their classes. Personally, I take my own > notes, but there are classes that I need someone else to take notes > for me such as foreign language and math because college is so fast > paced that if I were to take my own notes in these classes, I would > miss a ton of information. So I think students need to figure out what > works for them and stick to that, instead of doing what works for > someone else. > > Minh > > On 2/26/14, Kirt wrote: >> I think there's a fair amount of research showing that people remember >> things more when we actually write them down and in my own life at least >> that seems to be very true. Therefore, one of the main things that makes >> notes most valuable is the actual act of writing. That being the case, it >> kind of boggles my mind how people who ostensibly want us to be >> academically >> successful Will, by paying people to pay attention for us, deprive us of >> one >> of the most effective means of facilitating that success. Of course I can >> see how there could be some specific exceptions, perhaps with attention >> disorders and learning disabilities, but I think, for most of us, taking >> our >> own notes gives us the best chance to succeed. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, haley sumner >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hey everyone, >>> I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take notes >>> during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send me their >>> powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the screen for the >>> other >>> students to see, so I will be able to follow along similar to my >>> classmates. If the teacher mentions something that is not included in >>> the >>> outline or PowerPoint, I will add this information as needed. Like >>> Sophie >>> said, taking notes definitely keeps me focused, for if I didn't do this, >>> I >>> would easily get distracted and space off. >>> HTH, :) >>> Haley >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote: >>>> >>>> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier that >>>> taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the opposite is >>>> true. >>>> Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes space >>>> off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes based on >>>> the >>>> teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to reinforce the notes and >>>> cement my understanding of concepts I'm having trouble with. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Danielle Sykora >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:19:23 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes >>>> >>>> I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a >>>> laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as much as >>>> possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a lesson. >>>> >>>> On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math where >>>> my >>>> notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an outline >>>> posted, I >>>> will use that. I was taught that having my notes done any other way was >>>> completely unacceptable. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a student >>>> in >>>> a >>>> while. We don't always know what other >>>> disabilities someone may have that might affect their abilities to, for >>>> example, multi-task, but learning to take >>>> notes is a skill that will benefit one for their entire lives on the >>>> job. >>>> One just isn't always going to have a >>>> scribe to take notes. My guess is that for at least a while, it is not >>>> easy for sighted people to take notes and >>>> concentrate on lectures, either, but it is an ability that can be >>>> developed in most cases. Having someone else >>>> take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill later, >>>> when >>>> getting your job done might be on the >>>> line rather than a grade. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Steve Jacobson >>>> >>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: >>>> >>>> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe 99 >>>> percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, but I >>>> have >>>> used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be typed in to a >>>> computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft word. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra >>>> Davis >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kierra Davis >>>> Hello All, >>>> >>>> Just a quick question. >>>> >>>> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them >>>> yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are >>>> they >>>> doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do you >>>> get >>>> them into a format you can access? >>>> >>>> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how >>>> others >>>> are handling this situation. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>>> ms2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso >>>> n%40visi.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning >>>> ton%40fuse.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>> r%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 00:51:36 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:51:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: <1393455401.76638.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4DDCB7B9-C936-48F2-9940-AE685BFC1930@gmail.com> Message-ID: Arielle, When I say it's fast paced, I'm referring to foreign language and math classes. I'm taking statistics right now and my professor projects his materials on the board using an old style overhead projector, which means there's no power points or anything for him to send for me to follow along. He also does a lot of math problems on the board where he will verbalize formulas and numbers on my behalf. However, it's extremely difficult for me to follow which numbers he is manipulating with and which symbols he is using. With a note taker, they can take down all that information for me so I can pay more attention to what my professor is saying, instead of struggling to write down every correct number. I want to add that I actually do take my own notes as well, but they're more of the concepts that my professor is verbalizing instead of the numbers. I've figured out this system for myself through trial and error. I took a math class during freshman year and I was taking my own notes and I did terribly on my first exam because my notes weren't clear at all. DS provided me with a note taker and I've done a lot better since then. With foreign language, it's more an issue with learning how to spell the words and how they fit together. I did fine with pronunciation and all that, but my spelling was atrocious. Some people are going to say use the textbook, but a lot of my professors rely more on their lectures than textbooks. They never test materials from textbooks, only from lectures. Also, you and other people have mentioned you like to take your own notes because you want to deem what is and is not important, I am exactly the same way, but there's not really a difference in opinion when everything written is important. Thanks, minh On 2/26/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Minh, > When you say you need a notetaker because college is fast-paced, what > does this really have to do with blindness? Why is it that a sighted > notetaker can keep up better than you can? Or would you consider > having another blind person be your notetaker? > Is it that the sighted notetaker is copying stuff that stays up on the > projector after it's been verbalized? Or is there something about the > equipment you use that is slower than handwriting? > I'm not trying to offend, just trying to better understand the situation. > > Arielle > > On 2/26/14, minh ha wrote: >> I honestly don't like it when people say students "should" or "should >> not" do something. I recognize that I am an individual and my learning >> styles differ from that of other students and I am in no place to >> judge others on the methods that they use to succeed. I'm sure that >> there are blind students out there who only use note takers for taking >> notes and still excel in their classes. Personally, I take my own >> notes, but there are classes that I need someone else to take notes >> for me such as foreign language and math because college is so fast >> paced that if I were to take my own notes in these classes, I would >> miss a ton of information. So I think students need to figure out what >> works for them and stick to that, instead of doing what works for >> someone else. >> >> Minh >> >> On 2/26/14, Kirt wrote: >>> I think there's a fair amount of research showing that people remember >>> things more when we actually write them down and in my own life at least >>> that seems to be very true. Therefore, one of the main things that makes >>> notes most valuable is the actual act of writing. That being the case, >>> it >>> kind of boggles my mind how people who ostensibly want us to be >>> academically >>> successful Will, by paying people to pay attention for us, deprive us of >>> one >>> of the most effective means of facilitating that success. Of course I >>> can >>> see how there could be some specific exceptions, perhaps with attention >>> disorders and learning disabilities, but I think, for most of us, taking >>> our >>> own notes gives us the best chance to succeed. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, haley sumner >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take notes >>>> during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send me their >>>> powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the screen for the >>>> other >>>> students to see, so I will be able to follow along similar to my >>>> classmates. If the teacher mentions something that is not included in >>>> the >>>> outline or PowerPoint, I will add this information as needed. Like >>>> Sophie >>>> said, taking notes definitely keeps me focused, for if I didn't do >>>> this, >>>> I >>>> would easily get distracted and space off. >>>> HTH, :) >>>> Haley >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier that >>>>> taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the opposite is >>>>> true. >>>>> Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes >>>>> space >>>>> off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes based on >>>>> the >>>>> teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to reinforce the notes and >>>>> cement my understanding of concepts I'm having trouble with. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Danielle Sykora >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:19:23 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes >>>>> >>>>> I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a >>>>> laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as much as >>>>> possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a lesson. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>>> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math where >>>>> my >>>>> notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an outline >>>>> posted, I >>>>> will use that. I was taught that having my notes done any other way >>>>> was >>>>> completely unacceptable. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a student >>>>> in >>>>> a >>>>> while. We don't always know what other >>>>> disabilities someone may have that might affect their abilities to, >>>>> for >>>>> example, multi-task, but learning to take >>>>> notes is a skill that will benefit one for their entire lives on the >>>>> job. >>>>> One just isn't always going to have a >>>>> scribe to take notes. My guess is that for at least a while, it is >>>>> not >>>>> easy for sighted people to take notes and >>>>> concentrate on lectures, either, but it is an ability that can be >>>>> developed in most cases. Having someone else >>>>> take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill later, >>>>> when >>>>> getting your job done might be on the >>>>> line rather than a grade. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve Jacobson >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe 99 >>>>> percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, but I >>>>> have >>>>> used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be typed in to >>>>> a >>>>> computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft word. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra >>>>> Davis >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kierra Davis >>>>> Hello All, >>>>> >>>>> Just a quick question. >>>>> >>>>> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them >>>>> yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are >>>>> they >>>>> doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do >>>>> you >>>>> get >>>>> them into a format you can access? >>>>> >>>>> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how >>>>> others >>>>> are handling this situation. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>>>> ms2%40gmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso >>>>> n%40visi.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning >>>>> ton%40fuse.net >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >>>>> mail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>>> r%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From lissa1531 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 00:55:53 2014 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:55:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes References: Message-ID: <9AB584956EF349E4B940A81A22E4EE4E@HP30910210001> I have used a notetaker and taken my own notes. This is because the instructors would put stuff on the overheads. No matter how many times I said that I would like them to give me a copy and or read what they wrote down or put up on the board. I got nowhere. the DsS office at the community college where i took many of my classes used a pen that would also record the lectures when there was any voice output. Even when the notetaker was writing notes. It worked for me because I used the notes from the note taker to fill in my own notes. I am all about what works for the person and having many tools to get things done. If it works for you to have a note taker take all of your notes that is fine. But I suggest that you take your notes as well, because if that note taker is out for some reason. You will be SOL. JMPO. Have a blessed day. Best, Melissa R Green and PJ Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darian Smith" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes Personally I write my own notes. I’ll write them on my laptop or braille note. I like doing this in this manner because it allows me to have down what I think is important as opposed to what someone else might think is important. If any short hand is used, it is the shorthand I use, so I know what is being communicated in those notes. there is an element or trial and error here, so please feel free to try different styles of taking your own notes. On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Kierra Davis wrote: > -- > Kierra Davis > Hello All, > > Just a quick question. > > I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take > them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or > are they doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, > how do you get them into a format you can access? > > I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how > others are handling this situation. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 00:57:23 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:57:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: <1393455401.76638.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4DDCB7B9-C936-48F2-9940-AE685BFC1930@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think you do make some valid points. And trial and error is certainly the best way to learn what works for you, which may or may not be best for someone else. However, I would argue that not everything taught in foreign language or statistics classes is important. I've taken several Spanish and statistics courses and found that it usually wasn't critically important to write down every example. In stats, I learned the absolute most by doing homework. I know this because I tried to audit a stats course and skip the homework, and it totally didn't work for me. Arielle On 2/26/14, minh ha wrote: > Arielle, > > When I say it's fast paced, I'm referring to foreign language and math > classes. I'm taking statistics right now and my professor projects his > materials on the board using an old style overhead projector, which > means there's no power points or anything for him to send for me to > follow along. He also does a lot of math problems on the board where > he will verbalize formulas and numbers on my behalf. However, it's > extremely difficult for me to follow which numbers he is manipulating > with and which symbols he is using. With a note taker, they can take > down all that information for me so I can pay more attention to what > my professor is saying, instead of struggling to write down every > correct number. I want to add that I actually do take my own notes as > well, but they're more of the concepts that my professor is > verbalizing instead of the numbers. I've figured out this system for > myself through trial and error. I took a math class during freshman > year and I was taking my own notes and I did terribly on my first exam > because my notes weren't clear at all. DS provided me with a note > taker and I've done a lot better since then. With foreign language, > it's more an issue with learning how to spell the words and how they > fit together. I did fine with pronunciation and all that, but my > spelling was atrocious. Some people are going to say use the textbook, > but a lot of my professors rely more on their lectures than textbooks. > They never test materials from textbooks, only from lectures. Also, > you and other people have mentioned you like to take your own notes > because you want to deem what is and is not important, I am exactly > the same way, but there's not really a difference in opinion when > everything written is important. > > Thanks, > minh > > On 2/26/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi Minh, >> When you say you need a notetaker because college is fast-paced, what >> does this really have to do with blindness? Why is it that a sighted >> notetaker can keep up better than you can? Or would you consider >> having another blind person be your notetaker? >> Is it that the sighted notetaker is copying stuff that stays up on the >> projector after it's been verbalized? Or is there something about the >> equipment you use that is slower than handwriting? >> I'm not trying to offend, just trying to better understand the situation. >> >> Arielle >> >> On 2/26/14, minh ha wrote: >>> I honestly don't like it when people say students "should" or "should >>> not" do something. I recognize that I am an individual and my learning >>> styles differ from that of other students and I am in no place to >>> judge others on the methods that they use to succeed. I'm sure that >>> there are blind students out there who only use note takers for taking >>> notes and still excel in their classes. Personally, I take my own >>> notes, but there are classes that I need someone else to take notes >>> for me such as foreign language and math because college is so fast >>> paced that if I were to take my own notes in these classes, I would >>> miss a ton of information. So I think students need to figure out what >>> works for them and stick to that, instead of doing what works for >>> someone else. >>> >>> Minh >>> >>> On 2/26/14, Kirt wrote: >>>> I think there's a fair amount of research showing that people remember >>>> things more when we actually write them down and in my own life at >>>> least >>>> that seems to be very true. Therefore, one of the main things that >>>> makes >>>> notes most valuable is the actual act of writing. That being the case, >>>> it >>>> kind of boggles my mind how people who ostensibly want us to be >>>> academically >>>> successful Will, by paying people to pay attention for us, deprive us >>>> of >>>> one >>>> of the most effective means of facilitating that success. Of course I >>>> can >>>> see how there could be some specific exceptions, perhaps with attention >>>> disorders and learning disabilities, but I think, for most of us, >>>> taking >>>> our >>>> own notes gives us the best chance to succeed. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, haley sumner >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey everyone, >>>>> I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take >>>>> notes >>>>> during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send me their >>>>> powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the screen for the >>>>> other >>>>> students to see, so I will be able to follow along similar to my >>>>> classmates. If the teacher mentions something that is not included in >>>>> the >>>>> outline or PowerPoint, I will add this information as needed. Like >>>>> Sophie >>>>> said, taking notes definitely keeps me focused, for if I didn't do >>>>> this, >>>>> I >>>>> would easily get distracted and space off. >>>>> HTH, :) >>>>> Haley >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier that >>>>>> taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the opposite is >>>>>> true. >>>>>> Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes >>>>>> space >>>>>> off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes based on >>>>>> the >>>>>> teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to reinforce the notes >>>>>> and >>>>>> cement my understanding of concepts I'm having trouble with. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Danielle Sykora >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:19:23 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes >>>>>> >>>>>> I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a >>>>>> laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as much >>>>>> as >>>>>> possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a lesson. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>>>> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math >>>>>> where >>>>>> my >>>>>> notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an outline >>>>>> posted, I >>>>>> will use that. I was taught that having my notes done any other way >>>>>> was >>>>>> completely unacceptable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" >>>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a student >>>>>> in >>>>>> a >>>>>> while. We don't always know what other >>>>>> disabilities someone may have that might affect their abilities to, >>>>>> for >>>>>> example, multi-task, but learning to take >>>>>> notes is a skill that will benefit one for their entire lives on the >>>>>> job. >>>>>> One just isn't always going to have a >>>>>> scribe to take notes. My guess is that for at least a while, it is >>>>>> not >>>>>> easy for sighted people to take notes and >>>>>> concentrate on lectures, either, but it is an ability that can be >>>>>> developed in most cases. Having someone else >>>>>> take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill later, >>>>>> when >>>>>> getting your job done might be on the >>>>>> line rather than a grade. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve Jacobson >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe >>>>>> 99 >>>>>> percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, but I >>>>>> have >>>>>> used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be typed in to >>>>>> a >>>>>> computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft >>>>>> word. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra >>>>>> Davis >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Kierra Davis >>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just a quick question. >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take >>>>>> them >>>>>> yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are >>>>>> they >>>>>> doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do >>>>>> you >>>>>> get >>>>>> them into a format you can access? >>>>>> >>>>>> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how >>>>>> others >>>>>> are handling this situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>>>>> ms2%40gmail >>>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso >>>>>> n%40visi.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning >>>>>> ton%40fuse.net >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >>>>>> mail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>>>> r%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 01:00:23 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:00:23 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes Message-ID: <530e8e2e.a44a3c0a.6fff.fffff6bf@mx.google.com> From carlymih at comcast.net Thu Feb 27 02:20:01 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:20:01 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: <1393455401.76638.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4DDCB7B9-C936-48F2-9940-AE685BFC1930@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140226181421.053ed4c0@comcast.net> Good afternoon, Arielle, Why are you jumping on Minh when, hopefully you know that Minh I'm sure, would take his own notes should it make the most sense to do so I.E meet his needs. I think i saw somewhere that, material that is not accounted for, here upon the verbal plane, such as spellings and graphics need to be accessable to blind people. And, don't you know, whatever works best for the person? for today, Car 408-209-3239 >Hi Minh, >When you say you need a notetaker because college is fast-paced, what >does this really have to do with blindness? Why is it that a sighted >notetaker can keep up better than you can? Or would you consider >having another blind person be your notetaker? >Is it that the sighted notetaker is copying stuff that stays up on the >projector after it's been verbalized? Or is there something about the >equipment you use that is slower than handwriting? >I'm not trying to offend, just trying to better understand the situation. > >Arielle > >On 2/26/14, minh ha wrote: > > I honestly don't like it when people say students "should" or "should > > not" do something. I recognize that I am an individual and my learning > > styles differ from that of other students and I am in no place to > > judge others on the methods that they use to succeed. I'm sure that > > there are blind students out there who only use note takers for taking > > notes and still excel in their classes. Personally, I take my own > > notes, but there are classes that I need someone else to take notes > > for me such as foreign language and math because college is so fast > > paced that if I were to take my own notes in these classes, I would > > miss a ton of information. So I think students need to figure out what > > works for them and stick to that, instead of doing what works for > > someone else. > > > > Minh > > > > On 2/26/14, Kirt wrote: > >> I think there's a fair amount of research showing that people remember > >> things more when we actually write them down and in my own life at least > >> that seems to be very true. Therefore, one of the main things that makes > >> notes most valuable is the actual act of writing. That being the case, it > >> kind of boggles my mind how people who ostensibly want us to be > >> academically > >> successful Will, by paying people to pay attention for us, deprive us of > >> one > >> of the most effective means of facilitating that success. Of course I can > >> see how there could be some specific exceptions, perhaps with attention > >> disorders and learning disabilities, but I think, for most of us, taking > >> our > >> own notes gives us the best chance to succeed. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, haley sumner > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Hey everyone, > >>> I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take notes > >>> during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send me their > >>> powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the screen for the > >>> other > >>> students to see, so I will be able to follow along similar to my > >>> classmates. If the teacher mentions something that is not included in > >>> the > >>> outline or PowerPoint, I will add this information as needed. Like > >>> Sophie > >>> said, taking notes definitely keeps me focused, for if I didn't do this, > >>> I > >>> would easily get distracted and space off. > >>> HTH, :) > >>> Haley > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier that > >>>> taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the opposite is > >>>> true. > >>>> Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes space > >>>> off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes based on > >>>> the > >>>> teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to reinforce the notes and > >>>> cement my understanding of concepts I'm having trouble with. > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Danielle Sykora >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> >>>> Date sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:19:23 -0500 > >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes > >>>> > >>>> I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a > >>>> laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as much as > >>>> possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a lesson. > >>>> > >>>> On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > >>>> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math where > >>>> my > >>>> notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an outline > >>>> posted, I > >>>> will use that. I was taught that having my notes done any other way was > >>>> completely unacceptable. > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a student > >>>> in > >>>> a > >>>> while. We don't always know what other > >>>> disabilities someone may have that might affect their abilities to, for > >>>> example, multi-task, but learning to take > >>>> notes is a skill that will benefit one for their entire lives on the > >>>> job. > >>>> One just isn't always going to have a > >>>> scribe to take notes. My guess is that for at least a while, it is not > >>>> easy for sighted people to take notes and > >>>> concentrate on lectures, either, but it is an ability that can be > >>>> developed in most cases. Having someone else > >>>> take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill later, > >>>> when > >>>> getting your job done might be on the > >>>> line rather than a grade. > >>>> > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> > >>>> Steve Jacobson > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe 99 > >>>> percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, but I > >>>> have > >>>> used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be typed in to a > >>>> computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft word. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra > >>>> Davis > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM > >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Kierra Davis > >>>> Hello All, > >>>> > >>>> Just a quick question. > >>>> > >>>> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them > >>>> yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are > >>>> they > >>>> doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do you > >>>> get > >>>> them into a format you can access? > >>>> > >>>> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how > >>>> others > >>>> are handling this situation. > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > >>>> ms2%40gmail > >>>> .com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso > >>>> n%40visi.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning > >>>> ton%40fuse.net > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g > >>>> mail.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > >>>> r%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 02:51:45 2014 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:51:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? In-Reply-To: References: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> <046801cf334e$6878da10$396a8e30$@net> Message-ID: Hey All, Independence is a word that means so many different things to so many different people. The Concise Oxford definition of independence is "free from outside control; not subject to another's authority." So, in the simplest sense of the word, we might say that independence for us is being free from others' control and not allowing others to think, feel and do for us. With blindness, however, independence has so many more layers. It's all about what one feels is independence for them at a given time. For example, someone might see independence as never accepting help from anyone, while another might see independence as seeking help only when it's needed. For myself, I believe independence is knowing all your resources and utilizing the best one for that given time. For example, the use of a human guide might be more useful than that of a dog guide in a noisy, unfamiliar situation. I think it's all about knowing one's options, knowing how to successfully use all of them, and choosing the right one. I think there is also an element of knowing how to do something by yourself should you absolutely need to, but then picking the more practical solution. Aleeha On 2/26/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Lillie, > You have a mature grasp of independence. I agree you should work with > teachers directly, using your TVI as a backup or supplement to the regular > instruction. > > Also, you reminded me of my father. I'm so glad to hear your dad is > supportive as mine was. My dad also read me computer screens that were > inaccessible. We never had online quizzes, oh these days of technology high > > schoolers have now. > But, if we did my dad would have read it if needed. Your father is simply a > > reader; you are still doing the work. So keep at it. You may need a reader > in college, so good to practice now. > > My dad also helped me edit papers. I still felt independent though as I was > > the one producing the work primarily. You cannot catch some spelling errors > > by reading auditorily. and, do not say spell check, because spell check will > > not catch your homonyms orextra spaces in compound words because it makes > them two correctly spelled words with a space. For instance writing there > fore and therefore or for see and foresee. In this case, both pairs of words > > are spelled right, but you are not compounding the words as its meant to > be. > > > I'm sure sighted students get help from parents, so no harm done there, just > > as long as you are doing what you can yourself and understand your > homework. > > Independence to me is controlling the decisions. I could say more, but have > > things to do. that is my simple definition. > It may involve asking for some help and that is fine as long as I control > the outcome of the situation. using a reader or driver or proofreader is a > good example of this. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lillie Pennington > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:56 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What is independence? > > Hi Darian and all, > You pose an interesting point, and one that I had been thinking about > recently. > Personally, independence to me seems like being in control of your > blindness > and life. No, not everything is perfect necessarily, but you have a balance > within your mind. For example, I make jewelry, and I have my mother or > someone sited help me shop for the different beads. I will describe what I > want, and she will help me find what I want. I then use the beads to > independently make the jewelry. I am accomplishing a task independently, > and > my mother is just acting as a pair of eyes. > Another example. I was attempting to do an online modual for my personal > finance class. It had to get done, and my teacher and I knew it would most > likely be inaccessible because it was flash based. My TVI was in theory > supposed to describe the pictures after the modual would talk about the > concept and click on any buttons if I needed to. However, this did not > happen as I had hoped. For example, the modual would talk about the rule of > 72. After it had finished talking, my TVI would summarize what the modual > said. I attempted to politely and calmly explain that although it was very > nice that he was giving summaries, that I did not need this interpretation > and to please only read the question and answer choices on the screen. He > refused to do this and said he wanted to make sure I understand the > information before I selected the answer. He did this for every screen. > This > at least doubled the time I needed to spend on this module. > An example of how this works well. I have homework options in my Spanish > class and the easiest one that I see is an online site where it is a > matching game between Spanish and English vocabulary. My dad will read the > Spanish words on the screen and I will tell him which English equivalent to > match them with. He is not helping me in any way with the assignment. > While I readily admit that I am not most likely completely independent, I > think I have gone a long way towards embracing this philosophy. Our > society, > even for sited people relies on relying on others. Blind people should have > this prevelige as well.. Independence is knowing the easiest way for you to > do something, and knowing when to ask for help while still challenging > yourself. > This brings up another topic as well, asking for help. There was a > discussion on this list yesterday about TVI help in a math class. My reply > was that that perhaps the TVI was teaching the student to help herself. > What > I meant was a general use of problem solving skills. In my school when I > was > little, sited students, including me in the general classroom, were taught > to use problem solving situations to figure out problems. Basically, not to > just shy away from a problem but to attempt to figure out how to solve it. > For example, lets say that I am working on algebraic math homework such as > factoring where there are many different types. Lets say that although the > homework focuses on general trinomial factoring, there is a problem about > difference of squares factoring. And lets say that in the notes or book > there is an example of this type of factoring, or that there is an answer > to > the problem in the back of the book. I would simply look at the example > and/or the answer to attempt to figure it out, or maybe google it. If I > could not understand the what was given to me, or if there was nothing of > the sort, then I would ask my teacher or another classmate. > I believe this is not a problem of refusing to asking for help. In a > conversation about an English paper a few weeks ago, my TVI told me that he > knew about the assignment and could help with it. He then said that he > spoke > to my teacher and told her that any questions about the assignment I could > just ask him, and told me that I had problems in refusing help (I don't > think that's the case.) Fortunately for me, I have a good relationship with > that teacher and my dads a magazine editor, so I had a built in editor in > my > house. He'd also been suspicious that a previous essay I had written was > not > necessarily my work, so I didn't want to go down that route. I thanked him > for his offer and said I would consider it, and that I planned to deal a > lot > with my teacher in this, but thanks anyway. I ignored the comment about the > helping. > I am working with a student currently who is going to enter high school in > the fall. I was asked to prepare a list of tips for entering high school. I > plan to include tips such as working directly with teachers, so hopefully I > can extend this branch of thought somewhat. > > All in all I am trying to say that if the task is done mostly by you, and > that if it is something that at the end you can feel proud of that you have > truly done it, then that is probably a true sign of independence. If I am > making a bracelet and I ask someone how the color choices of the beads look > next to each other, I am still doing the work, I am just getting a > perspective on the placement of a factor that I cannot see, and it is a > piece of work that I can be truly proud to wear. > > Thank you to anyone who has read this. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 5:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? > > Hi all, > > It seems to me that a word that we use a lot in the Federation is > independence. > Obviously, we go about it differently which would suggest differing > definitions for each individual. As you read this message, I wonder what > the > word independence means to you? > Best, > Darian > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. > net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 03:08:40 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:08:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140226181421.053ed4c0@comcast.net> References: <1393455401.76638.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4DDCB7B9-C936-48F2-9940-AE685BFC1930@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140226181421.053ed4c0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001cf3369$37835410$a689fc30$@gmail.com> Everyone has to get their notes the best way they no how. Trying to use someone elses methods or be super blind will result in a failing grade. Maybe there are certain flaws that are necessary to work out before getting a job, but many of the folks here are just learning how to spread their wings. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes Good afternoon, Arielle, Why are you jumping on Minh when, hopefully you know that Minh I'm sure, would take his own notes should it make the most sense to do so I.E meet his needs. I think i saw somewhere that, material that is not accounted for, here upon the verbal plane, such as spellings and graphics need to be accessable to blind people. And, don't you know, whatever works best for the person? for today, Car 408-209-3239 >Hi Minh, >When you say you need a notetaker because college is fast-paced, what >does this really have to do with blindness? Why is it that a sighted >notetaker can keep up better than you can? Or would you consider having >another blind person be your notetaker? >Is it that the sighted notetaker is copying stuff that stays up on the >projector after it's been verbalized? Or is there something about the >equipment you use that is slower than handwriting? >I'm not trying to offend, just trying to better understand the situation. > >Arielle > >On 2/26/14, minh ha wrote: > > I honestly don't like it when people say students "should" or > > "should not" do something. I recognize that I am an individual and > > my learning styles differ from that of other students and I am in no > > place to judge others on the methods that they use to succeed. I'm > > sure that there are blind students out there who only use note > > takers for taking notes and still excel in their classes. > > Personally, I take my own notes, but there are classes that I need > > someone else to take notes for me such as foreign language and math > > because college is so fast paced that if I were to take my own notes > > in these classes, I would miss a ton of information. So I think > > students need to figure out what works for them and stick to that, > > instead of doing what works for someone else. > > > > Minh > > > > On 2/26/14, Kirt wrote: > >> I think there's a fair amount of research showing that people > >> remember things more when we actually write them down and in my own > >> life at least that seems to be very true. Therefore, one of the > >> main things that makes notes most valuable is the actual act of > >> writing. That being the case, it kind of boggles my mind how people > >> who ostensibly want us to be academically successful Will, by > >> paying people to pay attention for us, deprive us of one of the > >> most effective means of facilitating that success. Of course I can > >> see how there could be some specific exceptions, perhaps with > >> attention disorders and learning disabilities, but I think, for > >> most of us, taking our own notes gives us the best chance to > >> succeed. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, haley sumner > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Hey everyone, > >>> I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take > >>> notes during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send > >>> me their powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the > >>> screen for the other students to see, so I will be able to follow > >>> along similar to my classmates. If the teacher mentions something > >>> that is not included in the outline or PowerPoint, I will add this > >>> information as needed. Like Sophie said, taking notes definitely > >>> keeps me focused, for if I didn't do this, I would easily get > >>> distracted and space off. > >>> HTH, :) > >>> Haley > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier > >>>> that taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the > >>>> opposite is true. > >>>> Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes > >>>> space off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes > >>>> based on the teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to > >>>> reinforce the notes and cement my understanding of concepts I'm > >>>> having trouble with. > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Danielle Sykora >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes > >>>> > >>>> I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a > >>>> laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as > >>>> much as possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a lesson. > >>>> > >>>> On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > >>>> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math > >>>> where my notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has > >>>> an outline posted, I will use that. I was taught that having my > >>>> notes done any other way was completely unacceptable. > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" > >>>> >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a > >>>> student in a while. We don't always know what other disabilities > >>>> someone may have that might affect their abilities to, for > >>>> example, multi-task, but learning to take notes is a skill that > >>>> will benefit one for their entire lives on the job. > >>>> One just isn't always going to have a scribe to take notes. My > >>>> guess is that for at least a while, it is not easy for sighted > >>>> people to take notes and concentrate on lectures, either, but it > >>>> is an ability that can be developed in most cases. Having > >>>> someone else take notes just means that one will need to develop > >>>> this skill later, when getting your job done might be on the line > >>>> rather than a grade. > >>>> > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> > >>>> Steve Jacobson > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; > >>>> maybe 99 percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a > >>>> lap top, but I have used a notetaker in the past. Hand written > >>>> notes must be typed in to a computer for you to do anything with > >>>> them; probably in Microsoft word. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > >>>> Kierra Davis > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM > >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Kierra Davis > >>>> Hello All, > >>>> > >>>> Just a quick question. > >>>> > >>>> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take > >>>> them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay > >>>> them, or are they doing it out of kindness? If they are > >>>> handwriting the notes, how do you get them into a format you can > >>>> access? > >>>> > >>>> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know > >>>> how others are handling this situation. > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia > >>>> ms2%40gmail > >>>> .com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso > >>>> n%40visi.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning > >>>> ton%40fuse.net > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g > >>>> mail.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > >>>> r%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcg > lobal.net > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40g > mail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gm > >> ail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > "All men dream, but not equally. 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Lawrence > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmai > > l.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 03:42:57 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:42:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: <000001cf3369$37835410$a689fc30$@gmail.com> References: <1393455401.76638.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4DDCB7B9-C936-48F2-9940-AE685BFC1930@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140226181421.053ed4c0@comcast.net> <000001cf3369$37835410$a689fc30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, There are certainly many variations on this, but like Lillie I was always taught to take my own notes. If the other students were doing it, I was expected to as well. Through elementary and into high school I did this on a BrailleNote, and now that I am in college I use a combination of devices depending on what it is I am trying to note. If I am trying to take note of a lecture class, then I'll use my laptop just because it is a little more convenient for me to keep notes on my computer, since it goes with me everywhere. There is one class where I use my BrailleSense On-Hand for notetaking, and that is because the portability of the NoteTaker makes it ideal for use in field experience. When I am taking note of a musical concept or something someone is demonstrating to me with an explanation, I find it best to record it with a BookSense or my IPhone's voice recorder app. I do have the option of using a volunteer notetaker for classes, but I find it better to go without. Plus, it allows me to be independent in controling the quality of my notes, and make sure I have them right away since I don't need to wait for anyone to email them to me. I find this way simpler and more effective in my case, but then again I avoid a lot of accomodations that other blind students use like scribes and readers like the plague, simply because I like to be in control of my own learning and notetaking. I guess the expectations I was held to in pre-collegiate schooling have stuck with me, but I find it much more helpful to take my own notes. I am one of those people who remembers writing something down, so actually typing my own notes helps me to remember and memorize the information better. Also, I like to put little metaphors in my notes that other people might not necessarily put, which help me understand concepts in a weird kind of way, so I like to take my own notes so that that helpful comparrison is there for me. It really depends on your learning style. If you are an auditory learner, then having a recording might be better for you. If you are a kenesthetic learner, then taking the notes yourself might be best. Or, if you have a hard time dividing your attention between taking notes and participating in class, see if you can get a notetaker through your ds office. On 2/26/14, justin williams wrote: > Everyone has to get their notes the best way they no how. Trying to use > someone elses methods or be super blind will result in a failing grade. > Maybe there are certain flaws that are necessary to work out before getting > a job, but many of the folks here are just learning how to spread their > wings. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly > Mihalakis > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:20 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National > Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes > > Good afternoon, Arielle, > > Why are you jumping on Minh when, hopefully you know that Minh I'm > sure, would take his own notes should it make the most sense to do so I.E > meet his needs. I think i saw somewhere that, material that is not > accounted > for, here upon the verbal plane, such as spellings and graphics need to be > accessable to blind people. And, don't you know, whatever works best for > the > person? > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > >>Hi Minh, >>When you say you need a notetaker because college is fast-paced, what >>does this really have to do with blindness? Why is it that a sighted >>notetaker can keep up better than you can? Or would you consider having >>another blind person be your notetaker? >>Is it that the sighted notetaker is copying stuff that stays up on the >>projector after it's been verbalized? Or is there something about the >>equipment you use that is slower than handwriting? >>I'm not trying to offend, just trying to better understand the situation. >> >>Arielle >> >>On 2/26/14, minh ha wrote: >> > I honestly don't like it when people say students "should" or >> > "should not" do something. I recognize that I am an individual and >> > my learning styles differ from that of other students and I am in no >> > place to judge others on the methods that they use to succeed. I'm >> > sure that there are blind students out there who only use note >> > takers for taking notes and still excel in their classes. >> > Personally, I take my own notes, but there are classes that I need >> > someone else to take notes for me such as foreign language and math >> > because college is so fast paced that if I were to take my own notes >> > in these classes, I would miss a ton of information. So I think >> > students need to figure out what works for them and stick to that, >> > instead of doing what works for someone else. >> > >> > Minh >> > >> > On 2/26/14, Kirt wrote: >> >> I think there's a fair amount of research showing that people >> >> remember things more when we actually write them down and in my own >> >> life at least that seems to be very true. Therefore, one of the >> >> main things that makes notes most valuable is the actual act of >> >> writing. That being the case, it kind of boggles my mind how people >> >> who ostensibly want us to be academically successful Will, by >> >> paying people to pay attention for us, deprive us of one of the >> >> most effective means of facilitating that success. Of course I can >> >> see how there could be some specific exceptions, perhaps with >> >> attention disorders and learning disabilities, but I think, for >> >> most of us, taking our own notes gives us the best chance to >> >> succeed. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, haley sumner >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Hey everyone, >> >>> I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take >> >>> notes during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send >> >>> me their powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the >> >>> screen for the other students to see, so I will be able to follow >> >>> along similar to my classmates. If the teacher mentions something >> >>> that is not included in the outline or PowerPoint, I will add this >> >>> information as needed. Like Sophie said, taking notes definitely >> >>> keeps me focused, for if I didn't do this, I would easily get >> >>> distracted and space off. >> >>> HTH, :) >> >>> Haley >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------ >> >>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier >> >>>> that taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the >> >>>> opposite is true. >> >>>> Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes >> >>>> space off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes >> >>>> based on the teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to >> >>>> reinforce the notes and cement my understanding of concepts I'm >> >>>> having trouble with. >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: Danielle Sykora > >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes >> >>>> >> >>>> I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a >> >>>> laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as >> >>>> much as possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a > lesson. >> >>>> >> >>>> On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> >>>> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math >> >>>> where my notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has >> >>>> an outline posted, I will use that. I was taught that having my >> >>>> notes done any other way was completely unacceptable. >> >>>> >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> >> >>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" >> >>>> > >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a >> >>>> student in a while. We don't always know what other disabilities >> >>>> someone may have that might affect their abilities to, for >> >>>> example, multi-task, but learning to take notes is a skill that >> >>>> will benefit one for their entire lives on the job. >> >>>> One just isn't always going to have a scribe to take notes. My >> >>>> guess is that for at least a while, it is not easy for sighted >> >>>> people to take notes and concentrate on lectures, either, but it >> >>>> is an ability that can be developed in most cases. Having >> >>>> someone else take notes just means that one will need to develop >> >>>> this skill later, when getting your job done might be on the line >> >>>> rather than a grade. >> >>>> >> >>>> Best regards, >> >>>> >> >>>> Steve Jacobson >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; >> >>>> maybe 99 percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a >> >>>> lap top, but I have used a notetaker in the past. Hand written >> >>>> notes must be typed in to a computer for you to do anything with >> >>>> them; probably in Microsoft word. >> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> >>>> Kierra Davis >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM >> >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Kierra Davis >> >>>> Hello All, >> >>>> >> >>>> Just a quick question. >> >>>> >> >>>> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take >> >>>> them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay >> >>>> them, or are they doing it out of kindness? If they are >> >>>> handwriting the notes, how do you get them into a format you can >> >>>> access? >> >>>> >> >>>> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know >> >>>> how others are handling this situation. >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >> >>>> ms2%40gmail >> >>>> .com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso >> >>>> n%40visi.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning >> >>>> ton%40fuse.net >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >> >>>> mail.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> >>>> r%40gmail.com >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcg >> lobal.net >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>> for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gm >> >> ail.com >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > "All men dream, but not equally. 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Lawrence >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmai >> > l.com >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >>net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 03:53:09 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:53:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? In-Reply-To: References: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> <046801cf334e$6878da10$396a8e30$@net> Message-ID: Hi all, I am going to echo much of what has already been said, but independence means a lot. I have a few anecdotes to demonstrate my point. I have always been an artsy person, and much like Lillie's story my mom would always help me shop for what I was looking for---same with clothes. However, I was always the person to make the final say in what I would purchase. On the other hand, independence for us can mean many different things to people on the periphery of our lives. They might overstep a bound and not realize what they are doing, because it is well-intended. Going back to my mom, when I told her I had made plans to live on my own next year, she was concerned about a number of things. I consistently have a class that gets out at 6:30, and some that get out at 8:00 PM, so she was worried about the safety risks of me walking outside in the dark by myself. Every time I walk somewhere at night after about 9:00 PM, and choose to call her for safety reasons, I get "You shouldn't be out on your own right now, that's a stupid risk to take." I know she's just being a mom, but it seems a bit like overkill when there are hundreds of other students walking around after 9:00 PM on campus too. I am a firm believer in the idea that you should do what you can on your own, and strive to find alternative ways to do the things that you don't already know how to do. This is why I am teaching myself to cook, and although I've burned a few grilled cheeses and messed up pasta because I added noodles before water because I was used to doing that to make hard boiled eggs, these small failures are what are helping me to learn. However, when there is something I have no idea how to do, or do not think I will be able to teach myself, or that would be more practical for me to not try to teach myself, I am not afraid or ashamed of asking for assistance from others. It really depends on the situation, and what "tool in your toolbox" will best suit the need at the time as Aleeha said. On 2/26/14, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > Hey All, > Independence is a word that means so many different things to so > many different people. > The Concise Oxford definition of independence is "free from outside > control; not subject to another's authority." So, in the simplest > sense of the word, we might say that independence for us is being free > from others' control and not allowing others to think, feel and do for > us. > With blindness, however, independence has so many more layers. > It's all about what one feels is independence for them at a given > time. For example, someone might see independence as never accepting > help from anyone, while another might see independence as seeking help > only when it's needed. > For myself, I believe independence is knowing all your resources > and utilizing the best one for that given time. For example, the use > of a human guide might be more useful than that of a dog guide in a > noisy, unfamiliar situation. I think it's all about knowing one's > options, knowing how to successfully use all of them, and choosing the > right one. I think there is also an element of knowing how to do > something by yourself should you absolutely need to, but then picking > the more practical solution. > Aleeha > > On 2/26/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Lillie, >> You have a mature grasp of independence. I agree you should work with >> teachers directly, using your TVI as a backup or supplement to the >> regular >> instruction. >> >> Also, you reminded me of my father. I'm so glad to hear your dad is >> supportive as mine was. My dad also read me computer screens that were >> inaccessible. We never had online quizzes, oh these days of technology >> high >> >> schoolers have now. >> But, if we did my dad would have read it if needed. Your father is simply >> a >> >> reader; you are still doing the work. So keep at it. You may need a >> reader >> in college, so good to practice now. >> >> My dad also helped me edit papers. I still felt independent though as I >> was >> >> the one producing the work primarily. You cannot catch some spelling >> errors >> >> by reading auditorily. and, do not say spell check, because spell check >> will >> >> not catch your homonyms orextra spaces in compound words because it makes >> them two correctly spelled words with a space. For instance writing there >> fore and therefore or for see and foresee. In this case, both pairs of >> words >> >> are spelled right, but you are not compounding the words as its meant to >> be. >> >> >> I'm sure sighted students get help from parents, so no harm done there, >> just >> >> as long as you are doing what you can yourself and understand your >> homework. >> >> Independence to me is controlling the decisions. I could say more, but >> have >> >> things to do. that is my simple definition. >> It may involve asking for some help and that is fine as long as I control >> the outcome of the situation. using a reader or driver or proofreader is >> a >> good example of this. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lillie Pennington >> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:56 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What is independence? >> >> Hi Darian and all, >> You pose an interesting point, and one that I had been thinking about >> recently. >> Personally, independence to me seems like being in control of your >> blindness >> and life. No, not everything is perfect necessarily, but you have a >> balance >> within your mind. For example, I make jewelry, and I have my mother or >> someone sited help me shop for the different beads. I will describe what >> I >> want, and she will help me find what I want. I then use the beads to >> independently make the jewelry. I am accomplishing a task independently, >> and >> my mother is just acting as a pair of eyes. >> Another example. I was attempting to do an online modual for my personal >> finance class. It had to get done, and my teacher and I knew it would >> most >> likely be inaccessible because it was flash based. My TVI was in theory >> supposed to describe the pictures after the modual would talk about the >> concept and click on any buttons if I needed to. However, this did not >> happen as I had hoped. For example, the modual would talk about the rule >> of >> 72. After it had finished talking, my TVI would summarize what the modual >> said. I attempted to politely and calmly explain that although it was >> very >> nice that he was giving summaries, that I did not need this >> interpretation >> and to please only read the question and answer choices on the screen. He >> refused to do this and said he wanted to make sure I understand the >> information before I selected the answer. He did this for every screen. >> This >> at least doubled the time I needed to spend on this module. >> An example of how this works well. I have homework options in my Spanish >> class and the easiest one that I see is an online site where it is a >> matching game between Spanish and English vocabulary. My dad will read >> the >> Spanish words on the screen and I will tell him which English equivalent >> to >> match them with. He is not helping me in any way with the assignment. >> While I readily admit that I am not most likely completely independent, I >> think I have gone a long way towards embracing this philosophy. Our >> society, >> even for sited people relies on relying on others. Blind people should >> have >> this prevelige as well.. Independence is knowing the easiest way for you >> to >> do something, and knowing when to ask for help while still challenging >> yourself. >> This brings up another topic as well, asking for help. There was a >> discussion on this list yesterday about TVI help in a math class. My >> reply >> was that that perhaps the TVI was teaching the student to help herself. >> What >> I meant was a general use of problem solving skills. In my school when I >> was >> little, sited students, including me in the general classroom, were >> taught >> to use problem solving situations to figure out problems. Basically, not >> to >> just shy away from a problem but to attempt to figure out how to solve >> it. >> For example, lets say that I am working on algebraic math homework such >> as >> factoring where there are many different types. Lets say that although >> the >> homework focuses on general trinomial factoring, there is a problem about >> difference of squares factoring. And lets say that in the notes or book >> there is an example of this type of factoring, or that there is an answer >> to >> the problem in the back of the book. I would simply look at the example >> and/or the answer to attempt to figure it out, or maybe google it. If I >> could not understand the what was given to me, or if there was nothing of >> the sort, then I would ask my teacher or another classmate. >> I believe this is not a problem of refusing to asking for help. In a >> conversation about an English paper a few weeks ago, my TVI told me that >> he >> knew about the assignment and could help with it. He then said that he >> spoke >> to my teacher and told her that any questions about the assignment I >> could >> just ask him, and told me that I had problems in refusing help (I don't >> think that's the case.) Fortunately for me, I have a good relationship >> with >> that teacher and my dads a magazine editor, so I had a built in editor in >> my >> house. He'd also been suspicious that a previous essay I had written was >> not >> necessarily my work, so I didn't want to go down that route. I thanked >> him >> for his offer and said I would consider it, and that I planned to deal a >> lot >> with my teacher in this, but thanks anyway. I ignored the comment about >> the >> helping. >> I am working with a student currently who is going to enter high school >> in >> the fall. I was asked to prepare a list of tips for entering high school. >> I >> plan to include tips such as working directly with teachers, so hopefully >> I >> can extend this branch of thought somewhat. >> >> All in all I am trying to say that if the task is done mostly by you, and >> that if it is something that at the end you can feel proud of that you >> have >> truly done it, then that is probably a true sign of independence. If I am >> making a bracelet and I ask someone how the color choices of the beads >> look >> next to each other, I am still doing the work, I am just getting a >> perspective on the placement of a factor that I cannot see, and it is a >> piece of work that I can be truly proud to wear. >> >> Thank you to anyone who has read this. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith >> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 5:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? >> >> Hi all, >> >> It seems to me that a word that we use a lot in the Federation is >> independence. >> Obviously, we go about it differently which would suggest differing >> definitions for each individual. As you read this message, I wonder what >> the >> word independence means to you? >> Best, >> Darian >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. >> net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 04:03:11 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 23:03:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue In-Reply-To: <5D33A191-E656-4F8D-955F-7D83E3C86699@fuse.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140225114701.01c1b360@comcast.net> <05809757-D617-488D-ACC2-E779587CDF0E@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140225121101.05233588@comcast.net> <000001cf326a$cfb45d60$6f1d1820$@gmail.com> <5D33A191-E656-4F8D-955F-7D83E3C86699@fuse.net> Message-ID: Here is what I have to add. I think an important element to consider in this is the nature of the problem. When you need help, is it for the math aspect of the work, or the braille that is being used? If it is the braille, or a question on how to format the math, then the TVI would be the one to ask. However, if it is an issue with the math itself, then you should ask the teacher for assistance. If the issues are really math related, then out of fairness you may have to wait for the teacher to finish assisting another student before they can get to you. However, if it is a braille issue, this is what should happen, and I'm basing this off of how things worked with my aid in middle and high school math. "Mrs. So-and-So, I need a little help." "Hold on, (insert kid's name here), I'll be back." (to me) "Okay, what's the problem?" She would help me fix what was wrong, then return to the other kid she was helping until I needed help again. The other students realized that she was there and had the skill to help them, but when I needed help her first priority was me because she was my aid and braillist. No one ever had a problem with her coming over to help me for a few seconds and coming back to them when she and I were done, because they understood that was her first job. I also utilized the teacher's help when that was applicable, and for me in math that was the case more often than not. On 2/25/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > Your tvi could be teaching you to help you help you help yourself. > Personally I think her helping other students is good, it bridges the gap > between blind and sited students. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:47 PM, "justin williams" >> wrote: >> >> Agreed. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie >> Principato >> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:36 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Opinions on a TVI Issue >> >> There you go. That is very reasonable. As I've said, helping other >> students >> is fine if you're working independently and she has nothing else to do, >> but >> if she's in that class to be your aide, you need to be her first priority >> and shouldn't have to wait in line behind students who are not blind and >> in >> need of assistance the regular math teacher can't provide. I would >> suggest >> telling her just that and see how it goes. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:31 PM, johnnie Jean duran >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> No, >>> The TVI will neglect me, and if her assistance is needed, she is not >>> there. I don't mind her helping other students, however, when I need >>> help, I would like it before she goes to assist other students. >>> >>>> On 2/25/14, Jamie Principato wrote: >>>> Let's remember that JJ brought this issue up and only he can tell us >>>> if his TVI is failing to meet his blindness related needs. Aleeha >>>> simply agreed with him. Some of you are asking her questions as if we >>>> are talking about her TVI in particular. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Carly Mihalakis >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, Aleeha, >>>>> >>>>> And how do you know what distracts the teacher from you? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Feb 27 05:42:38 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 00:42:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: <9AB584956EF349E4B940A81A22E4EE4E@HP30910210001> References: <9AB584956EF349E4B940A81A22E4EE4E@HP30910210001> Message-ID: <961B12CE91D94C26AC7CDA28F3D6E939@OwnerPC> Melissa, I agree. Like you I take my own notes, except for in high school foreign language spanish; it was just way, way too fast to do so. I do so with my braille notetaker primarily. However, for some college classes, like in english writing type classes, where lots is written on the over head or board, I have used a human notetaker. So, I am for what works for the individual in each situation. You said it very well! I'm glad I am not the only one with that frustration. No matter how many times I ask for verbalized readings, I got no where, or it was said too fast for me to copy it down. so a notetaker was helpful there. I would urge all students to develop notetaking abilities since it’s a skill for later life as well. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: melissa Green Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes I have used a notetaker and taken my own notes. This is because the instructors would put stuff on the overheads. No matter how many times I said that I would like them to give me a copy and or read what they wrote down or put up on the board. I got nowhere. the DsS office at the community college where i took many of my classes used a pen that would also record the lectures when there was any voice output. Even when the notetaker was writing notes. It worked for me because I used the notes from the note taker to fill in my own notes. I am all about what works for the person and having many tools to get things done. If it works for you to have a note taker take all of your notes that is fine. But I suggest that you take your notes as well, because if that note taker is out for some reason. You will be SOL. JMPO. Have a blessed day. Best, Melissa R Green and PJ Some people come into your life just to teach you how to let go. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darian Smith" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes Personally I write my own notes. I’ll write them on my laptop or braille note. I like doing this in this manner because it allows me to have down what I think is important as opposed to what someone else might think is important. If any short hand is used, it is the shorthand I use, so I know what is being communicated in those notes. there is an element or trial and error here, so please feel free to try different styles of taking your own notes. On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Kierra Davis wrote: > -- > Kierra Davis > Hello All, > > Just a quick question. > > I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take > them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or > are they doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, > how do you get them into a format you can access? > > I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how > others are handling this situation. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Feb 27 05:43:01 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 00:43:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: <530e8e2e.a44a3c0a.6fff.fffff6bf@mx.google.com> References: <530e8e2e.a44a3c0a.6fff.fffff6bf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: sophie, this is blank. -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From louvins at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 07:03:22 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 01:03:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: <530e8e2e.a44a3c0a.6fff.fffff6bf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi to all. This discussion of how people take notes in class is very interesting. I am an autitory learner for the most part, so I record my notes using a plextalk pocket which works very well. I would organize my notes into folders on my computer, organized by date and lecture so I would know what was were, and I could easily go back to it if I needed to refresh my memory. I'm going to change my notetaking when I go into some kind of university. I'm not only going to record my lectures, but transcribe important points from them as well, if the state will get me some kind of notetaker. On 2/26/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > sophie, > this is blank. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sophie Trist > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:00 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 09:34:11 2014 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 04:34:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] class notes In-Reply-To: References: <1393455401.76638.BPMail_high_noncarrier@web181002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4DDCB7B9-C936-48F2-9940-AE685BFC1930@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think I will take this tactic for French. I always have trouble getting the spelling down, and then I spend study time fixing my notes. I took notes in Nemeth on a full page slate for algebra, though. Anything harder, I would probably get a note taker. Thank you, Jewel Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:51 PM, minh ha wrote: > > Arielle, > > When I say it's fast paced, I'm referring to foreign language and math > classes. I'm taking statistics right now and my professor projects his > materials on the board using an old style overhead projector, which > means there's no power points or anything for him to send for me to > follow along. He also does a lot of math problems on the board where > he will verbalize formulas and numbers on my behalf. However, it's > extremely difficult for me to follow which numbers he is manipulating > with and which symbols he is using. With a note taker, they can take > down all that information for me so I can pay more attention to what > my professor is saying, instead of struggling to write down every > correct number. I want to add that I actually do take my own notes as > well, but they're more of the concepts that my professor is > verbalizing instead of the numbers. I've figured out this system for > myself through trial and error. I took a math class during freshman > year and I was taking my own notes and I did terribly on my first exam > because my notes weren't clear at all. DS provided me with a note > taker and I've done a lot better since then. With foreign language, > it's more an issue with learning how to spell the words and how they > fit together. I did fine with pronunciation and all that, but my > spelling was atrocious. Some people are going to say use the textbook, > but a lot of my professors rely more on their lectures than textbooks. > They never test materials from textbooks, only from lectures. Also, > you and other people have mentioned you like to take your own notes > because you want to deem what is and is not important, I am exactly > the same way, but there's not really a difference in opinion when > everything written is important. > > Thanks, > minh > >> On 2/26/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi Minh, >> When you say you need a notetaker because college is fast-paced, what >> does this really have to do with blindness? Why is it that a sighted >> notetaker can keep up better than you can? Or would you consider >> having another blind person be your notetaker? >> Is it that the sighted notetaker is copying stuff that stays up on the >> projector after it's been verbalized? Or is there something about the >> equipment you use that is slower than handwriting? >> I'm not trying to offend, just trying to better understand the situation. >> >> Arielle >> >>> On 2/26/14, minh ha wrote: >>> I honestly don't like it when people say students "should" or "should >>> not" do something. I recognize that I am an individual and my learning >>> styles differ from that of other students and I am in no place to >>> judge others on the methods that they use to succeed. I'm sure that >>> there are blind students out there who only use note takers for taking >>> notes and still excel in their classes. Personally, I take my own >>> notes, but there are classes that I need someone else to take notes >>> for me such as foreign language and math because college is so fast >>> paced that if I were to take my own notes in these classes, I would >>> miss a ton of information. So I think students need to figure out what >>> works for them and stick to that, instead of doing what works for >>> someone else. >>> >>> Minh >>> >>>> On 2/26/14, Kirt wrote: >>>> I think there's a fair amount of research showing that people remember >>>> things more when we actually write them down and in my own life at least >>>> that seems to be very true. Therefore, one of the main things that makes >>>> notes most valuable is the actual act of writing. That being the case, >>>> it >>>> kind of boggles my mind how people who ostensibly want us to be >>>> academically >>>> successful Will, by paying people to pay attention for us, deprive us of >>>> one >>>> of the most effective means of facilitating that success. Of course I >>>> can >>>> see how there could be some specific exceptions, perhaps with attention >>>> disorders and learning disabilities, but I think, for most of us, taking >>>> our >>>> own notes gives us the best chance to succeed. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, haley sumner >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey everyone, >>>>> I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take notes >>>>> during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send me their >>>>> powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the screen for the >>>>> other >>>>> students to see, so I will be able to follow along similar to my >>>>> classmates. If the teacher mentions something that is not included in >>>>> the >>>>> outline or PowerPoint, I will add this information as needed. Like >>>>> Sophie >>>>> said, taking notes definitely keeps me focused, for if I didn't do >>>>> this, >>>>> I >>>>> would easily get distracted and space off. >>>>> HTH, :) >>>>> Haley >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier that >>>>>> taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the opposite is >>>>>> true. >>>>>> Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes >>>>>> space >>>>>> off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes based on >>>>>> the >>>>>> teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to reinforce the notes and >>>>>> cement my understanding of concepts I'm having trouble with. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Danielle Sykora >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:19:23 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes >>>>>> >>>>>> I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a >>>>>> laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as much as >>>>>> possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a lesson. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>>>>> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math where >>>>>> my >>>>>> notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has an outline >>>>>> posted, I >>>>>> will use that. I was taught that having my notes done any other way >>>>>> was >>>>>> completely unacceptable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a student >>>>>> in >>>>>> a >>>>>> while. We don't always know what other >>>>>> disabilities someone may have that might affect their abilities to, >>>>>> for >>>>>> example, multi-task, but learning to take >>>>>> notes is a skill that will benefit one for their entire lives on the >>>>>> job. >>>>>> One just isn't always going to have a >>>>>> scribe to take notes. My guess is that for at least a while, it is >>>>>> not >>>>>> easy for sighted people to take notes and >>>>>> concentrate on lectures, either, but it is an ability that can be >>>>>> developed in most cases. Having someone else >>>>>> take notes just means that one will need to develop this skill later, >>>>>> when >>>>>> getting your job done might be on the >>>>>> line rather than a grade. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve Jacobson >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; maybe 99 >>>>>> percent of the time. That includes right now. I use a lap top, but I >>>>>> have >>>>>> used a notetaker in the past. Hand written notes must be typed in to >>>>>> a >>>>>> computer for you to do anything with them; probably in Microsoft word. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kierra >>>>>> Davis >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Kierra Davis >>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Just a quick question. >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take them >>>>>> yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay them, or are >>>>>> they >>>>>> doing it out of kindness? If they are handwriting the notes, how do >>>>>> you >>>>>> get >>>>>> them into a format you can access? >>>>>> >>>>>> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know how >>>>>> others >>>>>> are handling this situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.willia >>>>>> ms2%40gmail >>>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso >>>>>> n%40visi.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning >>>>>> ton%40fuse.net >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >>>>>> mail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>>>>> r%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haleysumner%40sbcglobal.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 14:27:49 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 06:27:49 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] =?windows-1252?q?_Workshop=3A_Create_an_Advertising_Dire?= =?windows-1252?q?ctory_=96_NABS_Membership_Committee?= In-Reply-To: <515FD477-D993-415D-8524-B75B3AEF1B42@gmail.com> References: <515FD477-D993-415D-8524-B75B3AEF1B42@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AFB038C-2DA2-4485-B082-036585663E24@gmail.com> > > >> The Following Comes from NABS board member Justin Salisbury regarding an opportunity that student division leaders looking to build their membership will not want to miss out on. > > >> Colleagues: >> >> >> >> So, we have an idea. We’re putting on a student seminar, a student division social, or a fun activity at the state convention. We know how to run it, who will speak, what kind of food we want, but now…how do we get people to attend? Who do we invite? How do we spread the word? >> >> >> >> We once struggled with these questions in the North Carolina Association of Blind Students, and we devised a solution: create an advertising directory for our state. With four people working on the project for only about two months, we realized that it was, in fact, possible. >> >> >> >> The system is simple. A division can create a directory of disability contacts at all universities, community colleges, and trade schools in its state. As soon as we had organized this directory, advertising our events became much simpler. We did it all in Microsoft Excel, too. >> >> >> >> The NABS Membership Committee has been hosting a series of conference call workshops, which I have been leading, where we will explain and discuss how to organize and best use an advertising directory for student division events in your state. >> >> >> >> The last two of these conference call workshops will be held: >> >> >> >> Sunday, March 2 >> >> 8:00 PM eastern >> >> >> >> Tuesday, March 4 >> >> 9:00 PM eastern >> >> >> >> For each of these calls, use the following conference line: >> >> Dial (605) 475-6700 >> >> Enter access code 7869673 >> >> >> >> I look forward to talking with many on the calls. Each call is stand-alone, but people are welcome to come again if interested. If you have any questions, please email me directly at . >> >> >> >> Yours, >> >> >> >> Justin Salisbury >> >> President >> >> Connecticut Association of Blind Students >> > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students > (415) 215-9809 > dsmithnfb at gmail.com. > twitter: @goldengateace > > www.nabslink.org > Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink. > “ A good Head and a good heart are always a formidable combination” > - Nelson Mandela. >> >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further >> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! >> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 21:21:32 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:21:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Re- Class Notes Message-ID: <530fac88.a2e3ec0a.621e.1f02@mx.google.com> Dear All, I'd like to add my doughts on this topic. Personally I think it is up to you how to choose to take your class notes. I take my notes using my BrailleNote Apex during the teacher's lectures. Then I read the chapter that we're working on to get a better understanding of the concepts that are being discussed. I save my notei so I can study them for my exams and quizzes. I have a human reader for my online quizzes and other assignments. From turtlepower17 at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 21:49:30 2014 From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:49:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? In-Reply-To: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> References: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> Message-ID: <530FB2EA.2080107@gmail.com> Hi, This is a very good topic for discussion. For me, true independence is living your life without feeling burdened by the things that you can't do. It is knowing that you have the skills necessary to achieve whatever your goals and aspirations in life are. More importantly, it means knowing your limits. It means being able to explore the depths of your soul freely and without guilt. This is necessary because people who scream the loudest about their independence are often the ones who spend the most time consciously emulating someone else's values and beliefs. If one can think for themselves, and be inspired by, rather than shamed into, knowing how they feel about themselves, their place in the world, their morals, etc., that, to me, is the key ingredient to being truly independent. On 2/26/2014 5:08 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > Hi all, > > It seems to me that a word that we use a lot in the Federation is independence. > Obviously, we go about it differently which would suggest differing definitions for each individual. As you read this message, I wonder what the word independence means to you? > Best, > Darian > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com > . > -- Desiree --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Thu Feb 27 22:20:44 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:20:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? In-Reply-To: <530FB2EA.2080107@gmail.com> References: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> <530FB2EA.2080107@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I agree with what has been said thus far; the word “independence” has several connotative meanings. For me, I believe that an independent person has the ability to function without being fully reliant on others to manage their lives. Independence does not, however, necessarily mean that one must never rely on others for assistance. Whether one is blind, hearing impaired, in a wheel chair, developmentally challenged or without any diagnosed disability, one still needs to ask for assistance from time to time. If a person can think for themselves, take care of themselves, make trivial and important decisions by and for themselves and manage life in general (whether that be home life, school, a career or all of the above) and do it mostly on their own, they are independent. They should also, however, know when to ask for help. No one should have to go through life alone. Every person needs help in some way. The greatest sign of independence is the ability to manage life on one’s own, while also knowing where the limit is and when to ask for help. Ryan L. Silveira On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:49 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > Hi, > This is a very good topic for discussion. > > For me, true independence is living your life without feeling burdened by the things that you can't do. It is knowing that you have the skills necessary to achieve whatever your goals and aspirations in life are. > More importantly, it means knowing your limits. It means being able to explore the depths of your soul freely and without guilt. This is necessary because people who scream the loudest about their independence are often the ones who spend the most time consciously emulating someone else's values and beliefs. If one can think for themselves, and be inspired by, rather than shamed into, knowing how they feel about themselves, their place in the world, their morals, etc., that, to me, is the key ingredient to being truly independent. > > On 2/26/2014 5:08 PM, Darian Smith wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> It seems to me that a word that we use a lot in the Federation is independence. >> Obviously, we go about it differently which would suggest differing definitions for each individual. As you read this message, I wonder what the word independence means to you? >> Best, >> Darian >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com >> . >> > > -- > Desiree > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Thu Feb 27 23:02:23 2014 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:02:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? In-Reply-To: References: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> <530FB2EA.2080107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008c01cf340f$fa82e5b0$ef88b110$@labarrelaw.com> On this topic, everyone should read Dr. Jernigan's speech, the Nature of Independence. You can read or listen to the actual audio. It is under publication and then speeches and reports on the nfb.org website. In my view, it is one of the most compelling speeches in our history. Best, Scott -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Silveira Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 3:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] What is independence? Hi all, I agree with what has been said thus far; the word "independence" has several connotative meanings. For me, I believe that an independent person has the ability to function without being fully reliant on others to manage their lives. Independence does not, however, necessarily mean that one must never rely on others for assistance. Whether one is blind, hearing impaired, in a wheel chair, developmentally challenged or without any diagnosed disability, one still needs to ask for assistance from time to time. If a person can think for themselves, take care of themselves, make trivial and important decisions by and for themselves and manage life in general (whether that be home life, school, a career or all of the above) and do it mostly on their own, they are independent. They should also, however, know when to ask for help. No one should have to go through life alone. Every person needs help in some way. The greatest sign of independence is the ability to manage life on one's own, while also knowing where the limit is and when to ask for help. Ryan L. Silveira On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:49 PM, Desiree Oudinot wrote: > Hi, > This is a very good topic for discussion. > > For me, true independence is living your life without feeling burdened by the things that you can't do. It is knowing that you have the skills necessary to achieve whatever your goals and aspirations in life are. > More importantly, it means knowing your limits. It means being able to explore the depths of your soul freely and without guilt. This is necessary because people who scream the loudest about their independence are often the ones who spend the most time consciously emulating someone else's values and beliefs. If one can think for themselves, and be inspired by, rather than shamed into, knowing how they feel about themselves, their place in the world, their morals, etc., that, to me, is the key ingredient to being truly independent. > > On 2/26/2014 5:08 PM, Darian Smith wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> It seems to me that a word that we use a lot in the Federation is independence. >> Obviously, we go about it differently which would suggest differing definitions for each individual. As you read this message, I wonder what the word independence means to you? >> Best, >> Darian >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.co m >> . >> > > -- > Desiree > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.co m From juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com Fri Feb 28 03:12:23 2014 From: juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com (Juanita Herrera) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:12:23 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? In-Reply-To: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> References: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> Message-ID: Independence to me means being able to do as much as possible on my own but knowing when to ask for help. Juanita Herrera Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > > Hi all, > > It seems to me that a word that we use a lot in the Federation is independence. > Obviously, we go about it differently which would suggest differing definitions for each individual. As you read this message, I wonder what the word independence means to you? > Best, > Darian > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitaherrera1991%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Feb 28 03:22:23 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 20:22:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? In-Reply-To: References: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think the key is in the Webster definition. Independence is decisionmaking power and ability to control your own actions. We can be independent while still seeking help as long as we are freely choosing to seek that help. That said, sometimes when we are still learning how to do things, we don't know when we truly need help and when it is actually more efficient to do something without help. Arielle On 2/27/14, Juanita Herrera wrote: > Independence to me means being able to do as much as possible on my own but > knowing when to ask for help. > Juanita Herrera > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Darian Smith wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> It seems to me that a word that we use a lot in the Federation is >> independence. >> Obviously, we go about it differently which would suggest differing >> definitions for each individual. As you read this message, I wonder what >> the word independence means to you? >> Best, >> Darian >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitaherrera1991%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From johnniejduran at gmail.com Fri Feb 28 03:24:13 2014 From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (Johnnie Jean Duran) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 20:24:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] What is independence? In-Reply-To: References: <78E88062-26CE-4FFF-8D80-3E263CC4FD85@gmail.com> Message-ID: To me: Independence is being able to manage your responsibilities on your own, but knowing when it's appropriate to obtain help. JJ Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 27, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Juanita Herrera wrote: > > Independence to me means being able to do as much as possible on my own but knowing when to ask for help. > Juanita Herrera > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 26, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Darian Smith wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> It seems to me that a word that we use a lot in the Federation is independence. >> Obviously, we go about it differently which would suggest differing definitions for each individual. As you read this message, I wonder what the word independence means to you? >> Best, >> Darian >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/juanitaherrera1991%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/johnniejduran%40gmail.com From president.tabs at nfb-tn.org Fri Feb 28 15:17:00 2014 From: president.tabs at nfb-tn.org (TABS President) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 10:17:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: 2014 TABS Annual Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: TABS President Date: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 10:14 AM Subject: Re: 2014 TABS Annual Meeting To: Tennessee Association of Blind Students List , Kimberly Allen , Anna Creasman < annahope at live.com>, David Bouchard , Nate Gross < grossnc at goldmail.etsu.edu>, Kira McCall , Andrei Felton , Ashley Griggs , Becky Scott , Bianca Knight , Brett Penix , Casey Greer , Casey Wood , Cayla Clark , Charly Coffee , Corey Napolitano < clnapolitano at mail.lipscomb.edu>, Darrell Bowles , Donald Hooks , Douglas Hall , Eliott McClain , Enedina Velez , Grace Li Rong , Greg Aikens , Jimmy Boehm , John Quest , Josh Harper , Kayla Pricer , Kelby Carlson , Lakenzie Crawford , Lawless Domonique , Melissa Mayo , Mitch Essary , "Putney, Luke" , Randy Atkins , Ricky Jones , Sandra Bullins , Sheri Anderson < sheri.k.anderson at gmail.com>, Stephanie DeLuca , Stephanie Zundel , "Steve Norman < stevenorman4 at gmail.com>, Tara Tate , Tatianna Ford < Tsford at memphis.edu>, Zach Ward" , Corinne Lankford , Michael Ariale , " middletnchapter at nfbmiddletn.org" , Frederick_Angela Hi everyone! The annual meeting of the Tennessee Association of Blind Students is coming up next weekend! We have an exciting program lined up, and we will be having officer elections. If you want to vote, send your dues ($10) to Christina Clift at 1633 Madison Avenue, Memphis, TN 38104. I've attached two flyers. One is a flyer for the TABS meeting, and one is for the March Madness fundraiser we are doing. Remember to spread the word to everyone you know who you think might be interested. We only have 4 people signed up so far for the TABS meeting, so please click on the link below to register so that we can provide enough food. TABS meeting registration: http://bit.ly/1mw0b3V March Madness bracket signup: http://bit.ly/NegZfv Thanks and we are looking forward to seeing you all next Saturday! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a student who is actually learning from those tools every day -- accessing school assignments online, watching video lessons to learn a new concept, or even talking directly with other students around the world with new technology. That's why, a few months ago, the White House challenged students all across the country to create short films answering a simple question: Why is technology so important in the classroom -- and how will it change the educational experience for kids in the future? The response was overwhelming. And today, the 16 official selections are going to be screened at the first-ever White House Student Film Festival. You're going to want to tune in for this one. Watch the official selections, then tune in today at 2:30 p.m. ET. [Description: Image removed by sender. Watch Now] Today's going to be a fun day, but this event speaks to something much bigger. That's because these students' films all illustrate the critical conversation about education in our country right now: the importance of connecting our classrooms. The fact is that right now, only around 30 percent of our students have the high-speed Internet access they need for digital learning. That means millions of kids across the country aren't currently benefiting from the kinds of technologies that made the student films you'll watch today possible. The President's ConnectED initiative is making sure that changes -- by connecting 99 percent of students to next-generation, high-speed broadband within five years. Want to see exactly why that's so important? Just take a look at some of the incredible things kids can produce when they're connected. See the official film festival selections, then make sure you're watching the event at 2:30 p.m. ET today. 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Bennett Research Assistant, University of Washington Computer Science and Engineering Department bennec3 at cs.washington.edu -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Fri Feb 28 20:16:25 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:16:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Scheduling Message-ID: Hi everyone I am scheduling classes for next year. I am in algebra 2 now. The powers that be want us to take precalc or trig, which is just essentially a watered down version of precalc. I have extremely no desire to take either of these courses, and want to take ap stats instead. I have the prerequisites for this class. I asked my math teacher if I could do this and she said technically I could she did not recomend it. My parents are okay with my decision. I filled out a form overriding her recomendation and although she signed it, she told me that there would be trig in stats and I would need it later in life. I am wondering if anyone who who has taken stats knows if I am missing anything catostrophic by not taking trig? Thanks From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Feb 28 20:18:14 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:18:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Scheduling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002701cf34c2$3600b6f0$a20224d0$@gmail.com> No, you re not. I have not used trigonometry in my lafe at all, and have not done so even in grad school. I don't even no what it is. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie Pennington Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:16 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Scheduling Hi everyone I am scheduling classes for next year. I am in algebra 2 now. The powers that be want us to take precalc or trig, which is just essentially a watered down version of precalc. I have extremely no desire to take either of these courses, and want to take ap stats instead. I have the prerequisites for this class. I asked my math teacher if I could do this and she said technically I could she did not recomend it. My parents are okay with my decision. I filled out a form overriding her recomendation and although she signed it, she told me that there would be trig in stats and I would need it later in life. I am wondering if anyone who who has taken stats knows if I am missing anything catostrophic by not taking trig? Thanks _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From sgermano at asu.edu Fri Feb 28 20:26:47 2014 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:26:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Scheduling In-Reply-To: <002701cf34c2$3600b6f0$a20224d0$@gmail.com> References: <002701cf34c2$3600b6f0$a20224d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It depends on what career you want if you want anything that will require even one semester of Calculus then you need those classes and you do not want to waste time taking them in college. If you want to do anything with engineering or computer science you will need 3 semesters of college calculus, biology requires calculus for life sciences. So the answer really depends on your career goals. Suzanne On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:18 PM, justin williams wrote: > No, you re not. I have not used trigonometry in my lafe at all, and have > not done so even in grad school. I don't even no what it is. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie > Pennington > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:16 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Scheduling > > > > Hi everyone > I am scheduling classes for next year. I am in algebra 2 now. The powers > that be want us to take precalc or trig, which is just essentially a > watered > down version of precalc. I have extremely no desire to take either of these > courses, and want to take ap stats instead. I have the prerequisites for > this class. I asked my math teacher if I could do this and she said > technically I could she did not recomend it. My parents are okay with my > decision. I filled out a form overriding her recomendation and although she > signed it, she told me that there would be trig in stats and I would need > it > later in life. I am wondering if anyone who who has taken stats knows if I > am missing anything catostrophic by not taking trig? Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Fri Feb 28 20:42:42 2014 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:42:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Scheduling In-Reply-To: References: <002701cf34c2$3600b6f0$a20224d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Lillie, I agree with Suzanne - It really depends on what you would like to major in college. Trig is a pre-requisite for the first year of college-level calculus, which is required by almost all math and science-related majors. Overall, I found math courses to be much more accessible in high school than in college given the availaibility of braille materials, so I would actually suggest for you to take trig now if you are at all interested in a science-related field, including biology. I also suspect that prestigious universities expect potential applicants to have taken trig/pre-calc in high school - Almost all of my friends in college, even those who majored in humanities, came in having taken this course. Just my two cents! Katie On 2/28/14, Suzanne Germano wrote: > It depends on what career you want if you want anything that will require > even one semester of Calculus then you need those classes and you do not > want to waste time taking them in college. > > If you want to do anything with engineering or computer science you will > need 3 semesters of college calculus, biology requires calculus for life > sciences. > > So the answer really depends on your career goals. > > Suzanne > > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:18 PM, justin williams > > wrote: > >> No, you re not. I have not used trigonometry in my lafe at all, and have >> not done so even in grad school. I don't even no what it is. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie >> Pennington >> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:16 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Scheduling >> >> >> >> Hi everyone >> I am scheduling classes for next year. I am in algebra 2 now. The powers >> that be want us to take precalc or trig, which is just essentially a >> watered >> down version of precalc. I have extremely no desire to take either of >> these >> courses, and want to take ap stats instead. I have the prerequisites for >> this class. I asked my math teacher if I could do this and she said >> technically I could she did not recomend it. My parents are okay with my >> decision. I filled out a form overriding her recomendation and although >> she >> signed it, she told me that there would be trig in stats and I would need >> it >> later in life. I am wondering if anyone who who has taken stats knows if >> I >> am missing anything catostrophic by not taking trig? Thanks >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Feb 28 20:45:53 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 15:45:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Scheduling In-Reply-To: References: <002701cf34c2$3600b6f0$a20224d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Lillie, this is Helga. Yeah, it all depends what carreer you are persuing. I am actually in college and I took Pre-Calculus last semester. Pre-Calculus is not to hard, the only thing you have to keep in mind that involves a lot of visual,but you can ask your TVI or your parents to help you with some of it. The reason I took Pre-Calculus, rather than taking Statistics, was because my Professor who taught me College Algebra didn't teach Statistics, and that is why I pick her Pre-Calculus class. And I also took the class because I needed another Math class in order for me to graduate with my Associates of Arts degree. But before that I took College algebra. you are probably in high school right? And I'm actually thinking in taking Trig later on in my Carreer. Just to let you know, I want to become a Lawyer. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Scheduling It depends on what career you want if you want anything that will require even one semester of Calculus then you need those classes and you do not want to waste time taking them in college. If you want to do anything with engineering or computer science you will need 3 semesters of college calculus, biology requires calculus for life sciences. So the answer really depends on your career goals. Suzanne On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:18 PM, justin williams wrote: > No, you re not. I have not used trigonometry in my lafe at all, and have > not done so even in grad school. I don't even no what it is. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie > Pennington > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 3:16 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Scheduling > > > > Hi everyone > I am scheduling classes for next year. I am in algebra 2 now. The powers > that be want us to take precalc or trig, which is just essentially a > watered > down version of precalc. I have extremely no desire to take either of > these > courses, and want to take ap stats instead. I have the prerequisites for > this class. I asked my math teacher if I could do this and she said > technically I could she did not recomend it. My parents are okay with my > decision. I filled out a form overriding her recomendation and although > she > signed it, she told me that there would be trig in stats and I would need > it > later in life. I am wondering if anyone who who has taken stats knows if I > am missing anything catostrophic by not taking trig? Thanks > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com